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simpleton1

Last year, shadow home secretary Andy Burnham, Labour, now Mayor of Greater Manchester

26 September 2016
Mr Burnham [elected this month] told a fringe event at Labour conference organised by the Mend (Muslim Engagement &Development), a not-for-profit company that aims to enhance the engagement of British Muslims in national life…….
He [Andy Burnham] added: “There’s a lot of people in this country not necessarily at risk from ‘Islamic extremism’ but it’s far-right extremism.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prevent-anti-extremism-strategy-legitimising-islamophobic-hate-attacks-andy-burnham-warns-a7330951.html

Where did I hear that before? and supports that appeasing attitude.
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May 26, 2017 8:01am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  He’s right you know!
  
  Every day we are seeing stories of children dismembered and blown to bits by alt-right suicide bombers!
  
  And how many times have we seen the footage of right wingers hopping into trucks and mowing down people in the streets.
  
  He’s off the scale on the Libotometer!
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:05am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Funny thing – since I linked the Libotometer last time only a few weeks ago – it’s been scrubbed from Google searches!
    
    Gotta keep taking those red pills folks!
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:07am
- simpleton1
  
  Muslim Engagement & Development, MEND goes much further to influence and control the mayor of Manchester.
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/11515630/Muslim-group-with-links-to-extremists-boasts-of-influencing-election.html
  
  …a facade to win political access and influence for individuals holding extreme, bigoted and anti-democratic views…..Mend’s director of engagement, Azad Ali, is an extremist who has supported the killing of British troops, praised the al-Qaeda ideologue Anwar al-Awlaki and said that “democracy, if it means at the expense of not implementing the Sharia, of course no-one agrees with that
  “Mend” strongly supports “Cage” and has held joint meetings with it, including in Manchester on November 28 last year. In another talk, at a mosque in Cheadle, Cheshire, Mr Ismail said Cage and another group linked to Syrian jihadis, IERA, “do a really good job.”
  As well as Mr Niamatullah, the group also promotes Haitham al-Haddad, a hate preacher who describes democracy as “filthy” and says that “all the kuffar [an insulting term for non-Muslims] will go to hellfire.”
  Haddad adds, however, that Muslims are “allowed to vote for a kafir [infidel] system in order to avoid a bigger kafir system taking power.”.”…
  
  One can find that “hell fire thinking” expressed by Mohammad with the 164 abrogating jihad verses in the koran.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:07am
- Nukuleka
  
  Mr Burnham has now gone on record to say that the Manchester bomber Salman Abedi ‘was a terrorist not a Muslim’. In opposition to all the evidence to the contrary, he seems to think that it is not possible to be both. Denying that the Islamic ideology is a fundamental part of the mindset of these murderers is precisley the reason that politicians are so weak in their handling of this threat to the safety of their citizens and why they are so accepting of the fact that Islamic terrorism is now a part of modern life. Shame on Mr Burnham and shame on our own weak-minded politicians who do not recognise the potential threat of Islamic radicalism to the peace and welfare of NZers.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:09am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Nukeleka, correction there . Muslim troops are at this very momentare in Iraq and Syria fighting this same nefarious pervsion of Islam ISIS .
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:04am
    - VicParking
      
      Mostly from Iran fighting on the side of Syria’s dictator Bashar al-Assad
      
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      May 26, 2017 10:18am
    - Kleva Kiwi
      
      This comment shows you how blinded you are.
      They are not Muslim troops as you so describe them, they are Iraqi and Syrian troops (as an example).
      We don’t go calling American troops Christian troops or Israeli soldiers Jewish troops do we? And not all people living in these countries are Muslim, therefore not all troops are Muslim.
      
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      May 26, 2017 4:22pm
- simpleton1
  
  Now to a link of further evilness Cage http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11442602/Cage-the-extremists-peddling-lies-to-British-Muslims-to-turn-them-into-supporters-of-terror.html
  
  ….I really can’t think of anything nobler.” These fallen soldiers were Abdullah and Jaffar Deghayes, teenage al-Qaeda recruits from Brighton who died in Syria, she said, “as heroes”.
  Other Cage favourites include Abu Qatada, the al-Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki — linked to at least a dozen terrorist attacks — and Boko Haram, the Nigerian Islamist group which abducted 275 schoolgirls (the Bring Back Our Girls campaign is a “colonial trope” and criticism of Boko Haram is about “demonising Islam”, according to the Cage website.)……..
  Amnesty, Liberty, Justice and five other
  mainstream human rights groups joined with Cage in a “collective” to make representations ….Cage also has close links with Universities UK (UUK), the collective body for British universities, which has taken a notably weak stance on campus extremism and strongly resisted attempts to ban Muslim bigots….
  
  Well worth a read to see the connecting hold and control being exerted in Britain.
  
  Some would say it is madness, and these connections are not so, and that we should accept what the well studied elite say, and be guided by their authoritative institutions. Yeah right.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:23am
- G152
  
  Since its the insane islamists who are suicide bombers attacking children recently why are these pillocks defending the murderers ?
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:26am
  - stephieboy
    
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    G152 , yes it is insane but it seem those like you are oddly mute when the same happens to children who are killed by gas attacks and suicide bombings in Syria and elsewhere in the Middle East ,
    
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/in-pics-scores-killed-many-injured-including-children-in-horrific-syria-gas-attack/story-1fI90Bbs7QCtfZ0RdVmxKL.html
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:07am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      You are an idiot.
      Everyone on here denounced the gas attacks and most people except the extreme anti-Trumpists praised America for not just giving lip service to the stand against the atrocities, but actually taking action against it.
      You the local town idiot, need to get it through your head that trying to force western civilisations to convert to islam to stop the atrocities perpetrated by MUSLIM terrorists and they are ALL muslim terrorists as has been shown, whether the press wants to try and hide that fact or not, is surrendering and throwing away the entire concept of civilisation.
      You are as much a part of the problem and just as culpable as the people you support that blow up and kill innocents… but then you and your ilk do not see them as innocents do you.
      You sicken me by trying to take the high ground accusing everyone that posts against the slaughter of innocents of actually supporting the slaughter of other innocents. Slaughter that is in actuality perpetrated by those same MUSLIM terrorists that you support.
      I would tell you to be gone, but as has been said here many a time, better to let the evil you know sit in the light than to let it hide in the dark and ferment (yes I know correct term is Foment, but this is stephie)
      
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      May 26, 2017 9:22am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @ stephieboy
      As I posted here 2 days ago you were mute on these gas attacks.
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/general_debate_24_may_2017.html#comment-1935522
      
      Feel free to prove me wrong and show us where your posting is decrying this abuse .
      
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      May 26, 2017 10:02am
      - 4077th
        
        Agreed Maggy, once again Stiffyboi is hoist by his own petard.
        
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        May 26, 2017 10:21am
    - VicParking
      
      Mostly by Bashar al-Assad and Iranian soldiers.
      
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      May 26, 2017 10:19am
DifferentPerspective

More bad news for Green party scaremongering

Those bloody trouble-makers with Chinky-sounding names are at it again! News that the Chinese are about to open up yet another source of cheap hydrocarbons breaks to utter dismay by the Greens and their “Peak Oil” fairytales!

Not only are we in an oil surplus time years after the point that the Green movement told us we’d be in oil production decline but pesky technological advances keep on identifying new ways for us to find cheap fossil fuels – funny that!

Why is it that only the Green movement fails to understand how human history is characterised by continual leaps in technological capability.

Seriously – the Green movement has never looked more ridiculous or out of touch than they are now.

And to top it off they have William of O advocating for them – they are so in trouble!
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May 26, 2017 8:01am
- William of Ockham
  
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  Climate science is not red or green, it’s black and white. (Sort of!)
  
  http://whatweknow.aaas.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/whatweknow_website.pdf
  2. We are at risk of pushing our climate system toward abrupt, unpredictable, and potentially irreversible changes with highly damaging impacts. Earth’s climate is on a path to warm beyond the range of what has been experienced over the past millions of years. The range of uncertainty for the warming along the current emissions path is wide enough to encompass massively disruptive consequences to societies and ecosystems. As global temperatures rise, there is a real risk, however small, that one or more critical parts of the Earth’s climate system will experience abrupt, unpredictable, and potentially irreversible changes. Disturbingly, scientists do not know how much warming is required to trigger such changes to the climate system.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:03am
  - kowtow
    
    It’s red and will put us deeply in the red.
    
    This road is being widened , not raised and yet local pollies use the “science” to impoverish us.
    
    “The project was needed for safety reasons to prevent vehicles driving into the harbour and climate change making the road undriveable.”
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/botched-cycleway-estimate-short-13m
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:18am
  - cmm
    
    “Climate science is not red or green, it’s black and white. (Sort of!)”
    
    Well WoO you’re probably right but not the way you think.
    
    “Climate science”, like most greenie scaremongering, makes life-giving, life -saving and environment saving things like cheap energy more expensive.
    
    That disproportionately impacts black/brown people who have less money.
    
    So instead of burning kerosene stoves, people switch to cooking fires which requires more forests to be chopped down.
    
    The proportional increase in costs also makes it harder for third world nations to climb up the ladder that brings health, prosperity and other benefits.
    
    Sure there are many other factors that come into play to make progress a challenge in the third world, but increasing energy costs makes it all the harder.
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:37am
    - cmm
      
      Damn I pressed enter before the best bit.
      
      Since the Greenie policies make it even harder for them to succeed, they get annoyed. To some extent I see their point: Why should we make it harder for them to prosper?
      
      That builds resentment, anti-Western hostility and terrorism.
      
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      May 26, 2017 9:05am
      - stephieboy
        
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        cmm, still it must be irksome for you that the Greens have done consitently better at the polls that any alt right nutters could ever dream of .
        
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        May 26, 2017 9:11am
- RalphT
  
  DP, don’t say thinks like that, it’ll only make William appear. That’s the last think we need on a nice sunny morning.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:03am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    I have the power to summon the shade of WoO!
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:09am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Concern about “Peak Oil” is idiotic and economically and scientifically illiterate.
  
  Concern about climate change is not.
  
  Greens tend to conflate the two because both provide support for not digging up fossil fuels, but they are two completely different issues. The fact that they’re wrong on one doesn’t make them wrong on the other.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:39am
  - cmm
    
    “because both provide support for not digging up fossil fuels”
    
    Not really: peak oil says there is nothing left to dig up.
    
    The reason they do this is flat out scare mongering and anti-Westernism.
    
    The impact of this is huge on mental health.
    
    From a young age people hear crap about rising sea levels (and drowning) and higher temperatures (and burning to death), then running out of oil (and freezing to death) and running out of food (and starving to death) and Silent Springs and how this is all caused by Evil Capitalism, then they become play things of statism.
    
    And they’re wrong on all those fronts: there is now more food, better health, cleaner air and water etc than there was at Peak Communism in the late 1980s.
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:14am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      They’re not wrong on all those things.
      
      They are wrong as to capitalism causing climate change, and they are wrong as to how to address it. But they are not wrong that burning fossil fuels increases the proportion of CO2 in the atmosphere and that this leads to more energy being trapped inside it, causing the earth’s climate to change with effects that are damaging to the environment and everything that depends on it.
      
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      May 26, 2017 9:29am
William of Ockham

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-pope-francis-trip-new-leader-of-free-world-a7753621.html
After two days lecturing a collection of head-choppers, dictators, torturers and land thieves, Donald Trump at last met a good guy on Wednesday. Pope Francis didn’t ask for a $100bn (£77.2bn) arms deal for the Vatican. He wouldn’t go to war with Iran. He didn’t take the Sunni Muslim side against the Shia Muslim side in the next Middle East conflict. He didn’t talk about Palestinian “terror”. And he looked, most of the time, grim, unsmiling, even suspicious.
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No wonder the 29 minutes which the insane president and the sane pope spent together – Francis himself suggesting that they both keep away from the microphones – remain secret. Until, I suppose, Trump starts twittering again.
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Trump duly handed over a bunch of books by Martin Luther King which he hoped Pope Francis would enjoy – whether he had read them himself remains a mystery – and the Pope gave Trump some of his own writings on the environment. “Well, I’ll be reading them,” said the US President. A likely story.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/25/trump-v-macron-french-president-appears-to-win-latest-handshake-battle
Trump v Macron: French president appears to win latest handshake battle
US president grips and grimaces as he meets new French leader for first time in Brussels – then barges aside the prime minister of Montenegro
Twitter: They shook hands furiously – with Trump trying to pull his hand away and Macron holding onto it. Trump’s knuckles turned white. (“It was Screw You in handshake form,” said someone who saw them in the room.)
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May 26, 2017 8:01am
- RalphT
  
  See, as if by magic.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:03am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    When W of O gets two posts, is the collective noun for the two posts a brace or an asylum?
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:09am
    - holysheet
      
      A Density of Meatheads seems apt for william.
      This list caught my eye
      A Spread of Nymphomaniacs
      Wives An Impatience
      Women A Gaggle
      Mothers-in-law A Mutter
      A Tough of Lesbians
      A Smear of Gynaecologists
      
      *holysheet-school-of-wilful-and-capricious-spelling
      that enough adjectifs for you kimbo?
      
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      May 26, 2017 9:08am
      - fernglas
        
        A fanfare of strumpets is my favourite
        
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        May 26, 2017 9:30am
      - G152
        
        Or “Non binaries don’t count”
        
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        May 26, 2017 9:42am
      - Kimbo
        
        that enough adjectifs for you kimbo?
        
        Knock yourself out, holysheet. And as not one of them is an adverb, I couldn’t care less. Maybe if you were less willful and capricious and more attentive and teachable in school, you would have learned the difference.
        
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        May 26, 2017 4:59pm
      - SGA
        
        See what I mean 😉
        
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        May 26, 2017 6:42pm
- kowtow
  
  Frankie wants Europe swamped with the millions of the ME and Africa.
  
  That makes him one very bigly bad guy.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:19am
- Scott
  
  The constant anti Trump barrage continues through the associated press and our own Stuff. Headline claiming “Trump is the rudest man in the world” where he supposedly pushes people aside to get a photo op.
  
  The level of anti Trump propaganda is insane. They only comment negatively about Trump for the following – everything he does and everything he says.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:56am
  - Rich Prick
    
    The media’s infatuation is incredible. Lewinski would have been perfectly safe had dirty ole Bill been subjected to the same.
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:05am
  - jonar
    
    Headline claiming “Trump is the rudest man in the world” where he supposedly pushes people aside to get a photo op.
    
    I’d love to hear your excuse. What exactly was he doing?
    
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    May 26, 2017 5:31pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Trump is the most important and powerful leader of the ‘free world’. I see no reason why he should not feel justified (and determined) to take a front seat in the Nato leaders’ photo.
    
    The incessant criticism of every word or action of the man has now reached its inevitable level of absurdity. When will western MSM come to acknowledge that, in a democracy, it’s the electorate that elects its leader and government? (Not self-appointed media pundits pontificating from behind their keyboards!)
    
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    May 26, 2017 7:17pm
- Inandout
  
  Well being married to a woman 100 yrs older does funny things to a man like Macron. Signs of an angry, frustrated man I’ll wager.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:12am
EAD

Thought I’d share this heartbreaking account from the Manchester atrocities:

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/manchester-bomb-distraught-firstaider-relives-moment-he-cradled-eightyearold-saffie-as-she-called-a3548206.html

A first-aider who comforted eight-year-old Saffie-Rose Roussos killed in the Manchester terror attack broke down as he told how she called for her mother in her final moment

The forklift driver described how he ran back into the arena after hearing the explosion on Monday night – looking for the suspect – but instead found victims scattered across the floor.

Crying, he described seeing a dying teenage girl just yards away – who was “trembling all over”.

He then spotted Saffie – who had been to see the pop star with her mother and grown-up sister.

Speaking through tears, he told The Sun he cradled Saffie and wrapped her in his coat before paramedics arrived.

“She was a dying little girl and she just wanted her mum,” he said. “It was devastating.”…..

“I saw the little girl was conscious and I said, ‘What’s your name?’,” he said.

“I thought she said Sophie. When I asked her how old she was she said she was eight.

“I wanted to keep her talking and asked her if she had enjoyed the concert but then I realised she was having difficulty breathing.

“She said, ‘Where’s my mum?’ I said to her, ‘I don’t know but we are going to find her in a minute. Don’t worry. We are going to sort it out. You are going to be all right’.”

How many more 8 year olds like Saffie must be killed on the alter of “diversity” before the political elite say enough is enough of this multikult experiment?
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May 26, 2017 8:02am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  But the authorities knew about him – he’d been reported multiple times!
  
  Whoever chose to disregard these reports have little children’s blood on their hands – and it’s never going to wash off!
  
  But you have to ask, if murdering little children isn’t enough to force a corrective action – then what is?
  
  It feels like the end for the Western style of life – our western society has become the sheep that welcome the wolves into the fold.
  
  We are one of the few nations on Earth that can avoid this future – why are we importing the parents of future suicide bombers? Do we really want to take the chance that our children will be dismembered like this?
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:15am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “But the authorities knew about him – he’d been reported multiple times!”
    
    Let’s get some perspective. If there were 15,000 other “knowns,” would you expect the authorities to act on each and every one of them?
    
    Or would the list of “knowns” be a logical beginning for an initiative of expulsion and repatriation?
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:20am
    - kowtow
      
      Enoch Powell urged the Conservative Party in 1968 to stick to its own policy . He had the answer.Way back then.
      
      “The answers to the simple and rational question are equally simple and rational: by stopping, or virtually stopping, further inflow, and by promoting the maximum outflow. Both answers are part of the official policy of the Conservative Party.”
      
      At the start of that speech he also noted the proper roll of government.
      
      “The supreme function of statesmanship is to provide against preventable evils. In seeking to do so, it encounters obstacles which are deeply rooted in human nature.
      One is that by the very order of things such evils are not demonstrable until they have occurred: ….”
      
      Today’s Conservatives are flaffing around like headless chickens.
      
      They had their chance back in ’68. But they didn’t take it. Traitors to the British race.
      
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      May 26, 2017 8:28am
      - kowtow
        
        Whole speech here.
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643823/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html
        
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        May 26, 2017 8:34am
    - G152
      
      “Or would the list of “knowns” be a logical beginning for an initiative of expulsion ”
      
      Hopefully yes.
      Time to have a ‘no incident’ clause.
      They attract attention they get to live in a muslim country regardless of their nationality the very next day
      
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      May 26, 2017 8:33am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      and taking their British passports away.
      
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      May 26, 2017 1:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Allah Akbar infidels. Allah Akbar.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:24am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Salad or Snackbar – I don’t really care so long as there are lots of bacon bits and ham everywhere
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:21am
oldpark

Seems the latest National Government budget for NZ have been more than generous to most taxpayers. It looks like Angry Andy Little ,will get at least circa $50 extra a week to go with his $1000.00 a day. That amount will help Angry Andy Little pay his court costs on his alleged defamation verbal assault on a true and proven NZ Patriot , a Ninety two year old Mr Hagaman. Sadly and hopefully Mr Hagaman ,who died recently, lived long enough,no thanks to allegations,to make sure his good name ,was not sullied.Rest in Peace to a special NZ.
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May 26, 2017 8:09am
Hugh Pavletich

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CANADA … TORONTO HOUSING PANIC … (VIDEO) LEAD DEVELOPER GIVES IT TO THEM …

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/another-future-fundie-warns-aussie-housing-bubble/#comment-2876272

Toronto Homeowners Are Suddenly in a Rush to Sell … Bloomberg
h/t GF

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-24/toronto-bidding-wars-turn-to-homebuyers-remorse-as-market-slows

Toronto’s hot housing market has entered a new phase: jittery.

After a double whammy of government intervention and the near-collapse of Home Capital Group Inc., sellers are rushing to list their homes to avoid missing out on the recent price gains. The new dynamic has buyers rethinking purchases and sellers asking why they aren’t attracting the bidding wars their neighbors saw just a few weeks ago in Canada’s largest city. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
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May 26, 2017 8:11am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
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  Garth Turners Greater Fool Blog … ‘MAYDAY ?’
  … h/t PH …
  
  http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
  
  Over six thousand people decided to sell their GTA properties in the last seven days. Of those 6,050 new listings roughly 1,500 were condos, which might suggest a whole mess of locals have decided to cash in their detached lottery ticket before this gig is up.
  
  No wonder. The angst and heebeejeebees this pathetic blog has been wallowing in for the last few weeks has finally made into what’s left of the MSM. Like this story in today’s Toronto Star:
  
  It is like a tap has been switched off. That’s how realtor Louise Sabino describes the housing market in the wake of the Liberal government’s provincial plan aimed at cooling Toronto’s scorching property prices.
  
  “I think it’s shocking that it did make the impact so fast,” the Royal LePage Signature Realty agent said.
  
  That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  About Garth Turner … Greater Fool Blog
  
  http://www.greaterfool.ca/about-garth-turner/
  
  Google News Search ‘Home Capital Canada’
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=home+capital+canada&tbm=nws&spf=731
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:13am
  - Happychappy
    
    Wasn’t George Gregans saying another three years Hugh and Labour know that the Budget was like a knife in its heart so can you handle another three years cut, copying and posting for Phil Twyford and Labour.
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:39am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      NZ Budget forecasts immigration-fueled house price growth … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
      
      https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/nz-budget-forecasts-immigration-fueled-house-price-growth/
      
      By Leith van Onselen
      
      The New Zealand Budget, released yesterday, forecasts further house price growth on the back of ongoing strong immigration.
      
      Specifically, house prices are projected to grow by:
      
      5.1% in the year to June 2017;
      7.8% in 2018;
      3.9% in 2019;
      3.1% in 2020; and
      2.2% in 2021.
      
      Below are some key extracts:… read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      May 26, 2017 8:45am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Toronto housing panic … Leith van Onselen … MacroBusiness Australia
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/toronto-housing-panic/
        
        By Leith van Onselen
        
        Toronto sellers are rushing to list their homes for sale after a double whammy of government restrictions on foreign buyers and the near-collapse of Home Capital Group Inc. From Bloomberg: … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 26, 2017 10:25am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Classic. Ask Hugh a question, and get anothera cut’n’paste dumping.
      
      Piss off Hugh.
      
      Stop being a one-trick pony / parasite here at DPF’s place. Get your own blog.
      
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      May 26, 2017 8:52am
      - Swifty
        
        He has. No one reads it.
        
        Just like Penny.
        
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        May 26, 2017 9:10am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I second that kk, Hugh is a festering sore on DPF’s blog.
        
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        May 26, 2017 9:12am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I think it’s time Hugh was asked some serious questions; like “will he benefit in any direct or indirect manner from Labour’s Kiwibuild policy?”
        
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        May 26, 2017 9:38am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Keeping Stock … Seriously ?
        
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        May 26, 2017 10:32am
      - holysheet
        
        A simple yes or no would have been nice, but just like stoooopidboy, we get another question.
        
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        May 26, 2017 1:39pm
  - peterwn
    
    Shrewd people will do their sums. The questions they will consider are:
    1. Is Toronto population likely to keep growing? If not that would potentially punch a big permanent hole in the housing market.
    2. What is the cost of a new house in Toronto? As long as population grows this sets the datum for house prices in general.
    3. Are there any likely moves that would significantly reduce the cost of new houses especially noting the ‘red tape’ involved with building. A cynical attitude is nothing is likely to change – incumbent owners and NIMBYS have the power at local level which renters and first home buyers do not have.
    If prices for existing homes are running ahead of ‘new builds’ then there would be a real estate bubble, but when the bubble bursts prices could drop say 10% or 15% (compared with the tulip bubble where prices dropped 99% or so).
    So there seems to be a bit of a stampede in Toronto (what one would expect in Calgary) because the critters are frightened. It will soon die down and meanwhile those with level heads will either sit tight or see how they could make money out of it. Anyway, 6000 homes on the market in Toronto is a drop in the bucket compared with its 2.2 million homes.
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:52am
    - Ross12
      
      Peterwn
      It appears the biggest issue for Canadian house owners is a slight increase in interest costs.
      
      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-24/100-increase-monthly-mortgage-payment-would-sink-75-canadian-homeowners
      
      Politics aside, I think Hugh is right to draw attention to the Canadian market as a “future indicator”.
      
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      May 26, 2017 9:35am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Chinese investors pull out of Melbourne apartment market – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
        
        http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-25/chinese-investors-pull-out-of-melbourne-apartment-market/8557182
        
        Chinese investors are pulling out of Melbourne’s apartment market, prompting a downturn.
        
        Key points:
        
        •Melbourne apartment market expected to face a downturn
        •Chinese investors are losing interest in buying apartments in Melbourne
        •Off-the-plan apartments being resold at a loss or no price growth
        
        In the past, they helped drive the inner-city apartment market to new heights. Around 5,000 new apartments are expected to be completed and up for sale this year.
        
        However, around 80 per cent of Chinese buyers will not be able to settle because of trouble getting finance, according to Ming Li, a real estate agent in Melbourne’s eastern suburbs who specialises in selling Australian property to Chinese investors.
        
        He said many of his clients had either forfeited their deposits or sold their apartments at a loss … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 26, 2017 11:17am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        APRA controls on non-banks could trigger ‘credit crunch’ – Mortgage Business
        
        https://www.mortgagebusiness.com.au/breaking-news/11125-apra-controls-on-non-banks-could-trigger-credit-crunch
        
        Pepper’s former chief executive has warned that the government’s plans to extend APRA’s prudential oversight to the non-banks could have serious unintended consequences, accelerating a credit crunch and driving a “sharper than anticipated” housing market correction. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 26, 2017 11:35am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Panic hits consumer discretionary sector – MacroBusiness Australia … behind paywall
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/panic-hits-consumer-discretionary-sector/
        
        By Leith van Onselen
        
        The AFR has delivered another gloomy assessment of the consumer discretionary sector:
        
        Worried Australian consumers are increasingly cutting back spending on discretionary items as they grapple with big home loans and uncertainty about holding onto their jobs, and the consequences are hitting a range of listed companies in the retail, automotive and industrial sectors.
        
        The brittle confidence levels are also threatening to undermine the federal government’s ambitious economic growth forecasts…
        
        The Australian outlets of fast fashion business Topshop and Topman went into administration on Wednesday, joining a long line of businesses that have collapsed in the past six months in the fashion and consumer goods sector…
        
        Belt-tightening by governments that are also battling high debts has played into the problem as fleet purchases of vehicles also shrink. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        May 26, 2017 12:36pm
Gerrit

One day we will get to use the new Waterview Tunnel. Now some three months late and not scheduled to open till at least October or December. One wonders if in the new infrastructure expenditure announced in the budget with contracts being let in the future, they will write in penalty payment clauses for late completion. Something sadly missing from the Waterview Tunnel project. A late completion penalty clause that would have seen the contractor making sure the software to run the tunnel, worked before the completion date.

Is the Waterview Tunnel New Zealand’s biggest white elephant?
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May 26, 2017 8:11am
- krazykiwi
  
  I have a relative who worked on the early-stage planning and design of this tunnel. Apparently it was originally designed to sustain 1-in-500* year earthquake. Some bureaucrat said that wasn’t enough, so the engineering was re-worked for a 1-in-1000* year earthquake. The price doubled. Hundreds of millions of dollars extra.
  
  * I can’t definitively recall if the increase was from 500 to 1000, or 250 to 500, but I know the original risk figure was doubled.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:28am
  - Reid
    
    This is the kind of thing that should be put to the public. What risk are they prepared to take for them and their children, vs the cost.
    
    It’s their decision, no-one else’s.
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:13am
- doggone7
  
  Is the Waterview Tunnel New Zealand’s biggest white elephant? No. And when you use it you won’t think that. If you think that of course you wont use it.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:08am
  - GazzaW
    
    The critics of the Waterview tunnel appear to have very little idea of the positive effects of a high speed bypass circumventing the Harbour Bridge and its approaches, Spaghetti Junction and other pressure points on SH1. North-south (& vv) traffic will totally avoid Auckland’s pressure points.
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:18am
  - Gerrit
    
    It is a white elephant for no one can use it. It cannot be used for the very job it is supposed to do as you have outlined.
    
    Now my objection is not to the tunnel or the massive improvement it will bring to Auckland traffic.
    
    My objection is to any government tender not having a completion date and penalty clause inserted. Back in my civil engineering days with the old Railway Department, every contract had a completion date and a penalty payment clause for unfinished work not done to that date.
    
    Contracts were “turn key” on a specific date.
    
    To accept a missed deadline by what will now be 4 months (according to the minister of finance the tunnel will open in two weeks) is unacceptable. For if 4 months is acceptable so would 4 years be as well.
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:49am
Happychappy

Does Winston feel left out when all the media want to do is play the game of who is the fool with Andrew Little.
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May 26, 2017 8:14am
Paulus

How sad it is to be told that the UK will no longer divulge bombing intelligence to the USA.
Well done the New York Times in reporting, to, of course, embarrass the duly Democratically elected President
They leaked confidential details about the Manchester bombing.
It is considered serious enough to have hindered the police’s role in tracking the coterie of bomb makers.
Imagine if the UK had done this to the USA – all hell would have broken out and more.
Typical all right for the USA but not for nobody else.
We know that the media in New Zealand are close to scum following the constant Herald exposes coming directly from either the New York Times or the Washington Post, as indicated on the bottom of the articles.
So some US Security employee “expert” decided that he would take money offered by the scum media.
Personally being acquainted with a number of Americans they too would be utterly disgusted but that is the way that the US is trending rapidly.
How very sad which continues to be the US trend against the President.
Well done Theresa May from excluding this kind of cross information, and no doubt she will give Trump a very serious rump up in Brussels – she will not mince her words I am sure.
US media – real scum.
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May 26, 2017 8:16am
- kowtow
  
  Yes the same hypocritical NYT that questioned Trumps’ ability to be trusted with state secrets.
  
  Scum.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:22am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Very interesting reading the Readers’ comments on the NYT about this matter.
  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/25/world/europe/trump-may-leaks-manchester.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
  
  Some very partisan views…
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:27am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Notice that the NYT just can’t help lying about the matter. They claim that on the campaign trail Trump encouraged the Russians to hack and expose more eMails; and that is a very twisted view of what he actually said. Trump’s comment was that the Russians probably had the contents of Clinton’s eMail server and he suggested that they might help the FBI (and others) find the 33,000 that were missing presumed deleted AND scrubbed by releasing them.
    
    What is it about the Democratic party mouthpieces masquerading as newspapers that they must lie in such a partisan manner.
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:29am
B.L.Zeebub

The cretin Paddy Gower, so devoid of original thought, screeching “it`s a bribe, it`s a cash bribe”.
Listen up shit for brains, they certainly don`t have to bribe me not to vote for the economic illiterates that make up the LabGreen monostrosity, bloody hell, I`d quite willingly pay 20 bucks more in tax to keep them away from the treasury benches.
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May 26, 2017 8:24am
- kowtow
  
  It’s always a bribe , all sides do it and so funny how many of us are happy to be bribed by our own money? That’s the real story.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:54am
- Rich Prick
  
  It’s an insult that Paddy thinks I can be “bribed” with $20 a week. He might be that cheap, or just a complete fuckwit, or both.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:15am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Stephen Joyce does not fall to Ryan’s constant talking over and assertions of incorrect figures while being interviewed.
  
  Calm and classy with excellent response throughout despite Ryan’s best attempts to bait and mislead with incorrect information.
  
  Great interview technique displayed by Joyce only failing at the final question when Ryan steadfastly refused to stop talking with a question that took longer than the answer.
  
  I work in sales. The most important lesson is to listen to the customer as it is likely he (she it) will tell you all you need to know; what is the equivalent interviewers first principle?
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201845259/budget-2017-steven-joyce
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:58am
  - GazzaW
    
    Stephen Joyce, highly experienced radio man that he is, must have a real chuckle to himself when dealing with the political turkeys that pass for interviewers at Red Radio, TV One & TV3.
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:22am
lastmanstanding

Time for the good citizens of the UK to take to the streets and demand their weak and useless PM pollies civil servants.

IMHO the police and security forces have their hands tied behind their backs by the traitor PM pollies and civil servants too scared to protect their good citizens against the evil that is Islam and the evil that is radical Muslims.

The treasonous PM Pollies and civil servants would much rather sacrifice women and children to slaughter than confront take on and defeat the radicals.

And our lot are just as bad.

When not if the terrorist strike in NZ expect the same hand wringing soft cock behaviour from our lot of morons.
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May 26, 2017 8:49am
Maggy Wassilieff

For Kimbo

http://www.dw.com/en/obama-speaks-at-landmark-berlin-christian-convention/g-38979943
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May 26, 2017 8:52am
- Ed Snack
  
  I wonder if they asked him about his former church, the one he attended for 10 or more years in Chicago, the one where the Pastor regularly used to shout out racist slogans and anti-white propaganda.
  
  As the Germans are still majority white (that’s changing but it’s still true for now) maybe they might have wanted to just think about his sincerity.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:32am
VicParking

The Media party are struggling to find any logic to back up their screams of a bribe. With one voice they are screaming like Paddy and in the next they are saying its only a catchup that had been required since 2007. Labour ofcourse say its really nothing, but a handout for the millionaries, and their policy will be a winner. The problem that the government has is that they have a couple of billion left in the bank.
This is because the earthquake fund is empty and a piggy bank is needed for unforeseen emergencies.
Labour ofcourse will spend this to top National.
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May 26, 2017 8:53am
- krazykiwi
  
  I have some sympathy with the notion of it being a bribe. In terms of personal tax, Nationals core supporters receive relatively little of their hard earned money back, while so-called middle-NZ, where the swing voters congregate, receive more.
  
  It’s clever politics from National. Angry’s socialist play-book screeching about ‘tax cuts for the rich’ rings pretty hollow.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:04am
Liberty

Why has the Government donated 11.5 million to the Labour party/Green party
State Radio that already sucks 35million of the state tit. An unseemly amount,
wasted on a dead medium that spends its days promoting the evils of socialism.
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May 26, 2017 9:07am
- doggone7
  
  A dead medium? No. How many in NZ listen to the radio? (on whatever type of device.)
  
  Promoting the evils of socialism?
  
  Did the budget promote socialist approaches? Incidentally, mildly, slightly, or comprehensively?
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:12am
  - Ed Snack
    
    I for one regularly listen to the Concert Program and appreciate it. Then again, I doubt it costs a lot to run.
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:33am
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      Not sure if the downticks are for suggesting that radio is not a dead medium. It isn’t.
      
      Or suggesting that we have a socialist country. The budget demonstrably proves we do.
      
      Usually those who accuse RadioNZ of promoting evil socialism can’t come up with specifics like who said what when, and how that promoted socialism. Or how many of their 10,000 minutes a week are spent promoting socialism. Or capitalism for that matter.
      
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      May 26, 2017 9:55am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        No matter what we do, no matter what we say. . . .
        
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        May 26, 2017 10:40am
      - calendar girl
        
        Touché, PG. Probably one of the most self-incriminating, but by no means a rarity.
        
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        May 26, 2017 7:28pm
  - Swifty
    
    I do, daily, and for 30 years.
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I listened to Nat radio every moment I could for over 40 years. Now I only turn it on during the day to get weather updates and at night (after midnight) to send me back to sleep.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:48am
  - VicParking
    
    Well spoken
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:25am
  - KevOB
    
    I’ve abandoned it completely too. Weather is available on the net.
    I listened so much during my youth when we had the English received pronunciation that by 12 others thought I was a pommie import.
    
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    May 26, 2017 3:20pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Wasn’t one of the justifications that there needed to be a ‘national’ broadcaster for emergency announcements, I did wonder if they would have been less toxic if their funding ‘entitlement’ hadn’t been frozen for the last eight years.
      
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      May 31, 2017 10:37pm
- Reid
  
  Because one requirement of being a colonial power Liberty, is that you have a broadcast channel that reaches all the people in your dominions.
  
  You can’t conduct social engineering without propaganda and while commercial channnels can be manipulated to broadcast propaganda and often are, they can’t be forced to do it.
  
  When I say “forced” this doesn’t of course mean – duh, someone is standing over the innocent journos and writers with a gun. Don’t be fucking stupid. No, it doesn’t mean that, at all. What you can do if you own it, is make sure the right people are placed into the right positions and those people can then in turn, make sure the right people under them are placed into the right positions, and so on. That’s how they force it without anyone noticing or even being able to do anything about it even if they do notice a particularly egregious example, because all they do in the rare case it ever surfaces, is pretend that was a one-odd mistake, an anomaly that will never happen again.
  
  How else do you explain the editorial agenda. Do you seriously think the people who work there are so profoundly stupid they don’t even know the fallacious nature of 99% of their editorial positions? The ones we hear on the mike are just the tip of the iceburg. They probably all are precisely that: idiots. None of them probably are aware of the fallacy of their own positions, all of them probably really do think their idiotic worldview is the correct one. Journalists are not terrifically bright, you know. Most of them really do appear to believe their own bullshit. But journalists don’t set the editorial policies, that’s up to people in the backroom. The ones we never see.
  
  That’s how it works and that’s why they do it. That’s why govts of both stripes continue to fund it, it’s a head office policy, set by the Commonwealth Desk in the Foreign Office in London. And you don’t go against Head Office, do you. Even if you are a PM.
  
  So having recognised that as a simple fact of life, what you should do is listen to what they say, how they say it and most importantly, what they don’t say. Because the sum of those things will give you, over time, what their social engineering agenda of the moment is, and once you have that you can then look to other state broadcasters and see if its the same thing. And what you’ll find is: sometimes it’s the same and sometimes its different. And if it’s different then you should look to see whether it’s regional variation or some other reason.
  
  One example is immigration. Obviously about 15 years ago someone somewhere made a decision to ramp up immigration as an issue all throughout Western nations and the colonial propaganda stations went into overdrive on that all at the same time, and continue. It’s not the same in places other than in the Western world but in the Western world it’s immigration propaganda uber alles. And what you’ll notice is that the so-called “commercial” channels also pick up on it and push the same memes.
  
  That’s social engineering in practice, in real time, around us, right here, right now.
  
  Simple, in a diabolical way, isn’t it.
  
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  May 26, 2017 10:43am
gump

The GOP House of Reps candidate Greg Gianforte has seriously assaulted a reporter for asking a question during a special election in Montana.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/24/greg-gianforte-fox-news-team-witnesses-gop-house-candidate-body-slam-reporter.html

How did the Republicans select such unhinged and disgusting person as a candidate?
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May 26, 2017 9:26am
- All_on_Red
  
  They didn’t…
  ‘A reporter who was a firsthand witness to an incident late Wednesday involving Montana GOP candidate Greg Gianforte and a reporter for the Guardian now admits she may have misstated some details of her initial story.’
  http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/bombshell-montana-assault-witness-changes-story-admits-no-neck-grab/
  
  Do try to keep up Gimpy.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    In related news, I’ve been reading Trumps proposed Budget but by the time I got to page 3, two children and three Pensioners had died so I had to give up/ sarc
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:53am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Heh
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAraU8wWAAEtvYH?format=jpg&name=large
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:33am
  - gump
    
    He’s been arrested and charged with assault.
    
    Pleas try and keep up…
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:33am
Manolo

Speaking at their home:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4542012/Trump-lectures-NATO-leaders-immigration-payments.html
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May 26, 2017 9:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s the Principal that makes or breaks a school
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201845199/principal-turns-failing-patea-school-into-a-top-performer

The secondary school system needs a “good shake upside down”
Only South Taranaki school teaching Mandarin
Average income of Patea – $17,000
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May 26, 2017 10:23am
- Ross12
  
  Absolutely correct Maggy.
  Also it works both ways, a poor Principal can wreck a good school very quickly.
  
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  May 26, 2017 11:07am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Actually that $17000 figure is a bit deceptive because contrary to popular opinion lots of people in Patea have well paying jobs in nearby towns but the problem comes in that WINZ and Housing NZ also uses the place as a dumping ground for hopeless cases due to the abundance of cheap houses and the local Māori health providers who can look after them.
  The effect however is it badly distorts the average income figures giving the impression everyone is destitute.
  
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  May 26, 2017 12:15pm
  - cha
    
    The effect however is it badly distorts the average income figures giving the impression everyone is destitute
    
    I know Patea rather well and indeed, most every one in the town is destitute.
    Other than the few who can fulfill WINZ requirements, dozens of youngsters have no income at all and live in appalling houses. They survive in a barter economy through gardening, the weed’s in so they’re living large at the moment, fishing and hunting, supplemented with the proceeds of petty crime.
    
    Perhaps one in ten has seasonal agricultural work, picking and packing etc, and perhaps another one in ten residents do have higher paying jobs at either Fontera, the Silver Fern plant in Waitotara or a South Taranaki abattoir but again, more than a few of those jobs are seasonal.
    
    But you’d know that too, had you spent time in Patea, wouldn’t you?.
    
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    May 26, 2017 12:43pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      “But you’d know that too, had you spent time in Patea, wouldn’t you?”.
      
      Careful with presumptions cha, I might be more local than you would like to believe.
      
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      May 26, 2017 1:04pm
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        May 26, 2017 1:10pm
krazykiwi

Fears over ‘second bomb’ after police find huge chemical explosive cache in Salman Abedi raid.

The Manchester ~~suicide~~ homicide bomber may have built a second device which is now in the hands of fellow jihadists, police fear.

Officers who raided the home of Salman Abedi discovered a working bomb factory with a huge stash of explosive chemicals and other components.

Security sources now believe that Abedi assembled the bomb himself after learning his trade in Libya
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May 26, 2017 10:53am
- waikatogirl
  
  Arrest the whole family. How can you run a bomb factory and have a huge stash of explosive chemicals and other components without the rest of the clan knowing?!
  
  Hey Salman, what’s that you’ve brought home this time?
  Just more bomb making stuff mum!
  Ok, don’t make a mess.
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  May 26, 2017 11:05am
krazykiwi

Cartoon: House of Saud vs House of Trump
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May 26, 2017 10:58am
Maggy Wassilieff

immoral teenager prevented from attending her school graduation

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40045802
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May 26, 2017 10:59am
- kowtow
  
  While petty of the school , of all the stories the un British Broadcasting Corp could chose to report from North America about minor school discipline issues ,they of course chose the anti Christian one.
  
  I wonder had it been a mosque ,madrassa or some such would it be reported at all ? No the editors would say , minor and inconsequential , racist perhaps or not conducive to good community relations …..but any chance to have a go at Christians , can’t let such an opportunity pass, can we.
  
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  May 26, 2017 11:07am
minto57

Where are the Templar Knights when you need them. This filth needs to be converted by the sword if neccessary to the one true faith.
Crusade anybody?
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May 26, 2017 11:06am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It looks like President Duterte might be your man
  https://www.rt.com/news/389749-duterte-deploys-commandos-attack-helicopters/
  
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  May 26, 2017 11:26am
- kowtow
  
  French king stole all their money and property, Disbanded them and told nasty lies too.Taken up by later fiction writers to cast those good men as evil .
  
  http://www.shmoop.com/ivanhoe/minor-characters-knights-templar.html
  
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  May 26, 2017 11:57am
Reid

Those of us who have exited The Matrix are concerned that there are no checks on Washington’s use of nuclear weapons in the interest of US hegemony over the world.

Washington and Israel are the threats to peace. Washington demands world hegemony, and Israel demands hegemony in the Middle East.

There are two countries that stand in the way of Washington’s world hegemony—Russia and China. Consequently, Washington has plans for preemptive nuclear strikes against both countries. It is difficult to imagine a more serious threat to mankind, and there is no awareness or acknowledgment of this threat among the Congress, the presstitute media, and the general public in the United States and Washington’s European vassal populations.

Two countries and a part of a third stand in the way of Greater Israel. Israel wants the water resources of southern Lebanon, but cannot get them, despite twice sending in the Israeli Army, because of the Lebanese Hezbollah militia, which is supplied by Syria and Iran. This is why Syria and Iran are on Washington’s hit list. Washington serves the military/security complex, Wall Street and the over-sized US banks, and Israel…

…It is unclear if the Russians and Chinese understand that Washington’s hostility toward them is not just some sort of misunderstanding that diplomacy can work out…

…Lavrov and Russian media organizations do not always show awareness that it is not Washington’s intention to accommodate other national interests.

It cannot be otherwise for these three reasons:

1. The budget for the US military/security complex is the largest in the world. It is larger than the Gross Domestic Product of many countries. It includes not only the Pentagon’s budget but also the budgets of 16 US intelligence agencies and the Department of Energy, which is the location of the Oak Ridge nuclear weapons plant and 16 other national laboratories. When all the elements are added together, the military/security complex has annually the power and profit from $1,000 billion. An empire of this sort just doesn’t give up and go away because some president or some part of the electorate want peace. The “Russian Threat” is essential to the power and profit of the military/security complex, about which President Eisenhower warned Americans 56 years ago. Just imagine how entrenched this power is now.

2. The neoconservatives, who control both US foreign policy and the Western media’s explanation of it, are mainly Jews of Zionist persuasion. Some are dual Israeli-US citizens. The neoconservatives believe that the collapse of Soviet communism means that History has chosen the United States as the socio-politico-economic system, and that the US government has the responsibility to assert the hegemony of America over the earth. Just read the neocon documents. They assert this over and over. This is what it means that America is the exceptional and indispensable nation. If you are the indispensable nation, every other nation is dispensable. If you are exceptional, everyone else is unexceptional. The claim that the neoconservatives make for the US is similar to the claim that Hitler made for Germany.

3. As Israel controls US Middle East policy, Israel uses its control to have Washington eliminate obstacles to Israel’s expansion. So far Israel has achieved the overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s government and chaos in Iraq, Washington’s war on Syria, and Washington’s demonization of Iran in the hope that sufficient demonization will justify war….

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/05/23/truth-has-become-un-american/
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May 26, 2017 11:06am
- KevOB
  
  Thanks for acknowledging PCR. I suspect the USA has become ungovernable and I am reminded of the mid 14th century with the tussles between King and Barons. The glue holding order together is acknowledging that others do rule. There is too much freedom to dissent. A civil war is not impossible.
  
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  May 26, 2017 3:32pm
Jack5

An example of why NZME, owner of news media including the Hooerald and Newztalk ZB radio, shouldn’t be allowed to merge with Fairfucked NZ. The Commerce Commission’s decision against the merger should stand.

The example is Steve Kilgallon, reported on Fairfucked’s Stuff web site asking why NZME’s Newstalk ZB hasn’t sacked British Right-wing commentator Katie Hopkins.

Kilgallon, Fairfucked’s “entertainment director,” calls Hopkins “vile.” You can often read Kilgallon, a well known Leftist, in the Sunday Star-Times.

If the appeal by the two publishers against the ban on their merger succeeds, it will be a surprise if alternative views such as that of Katie Hopkins are heard in NZ mainstream media.

Kilgallon’s rant:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/92971685/newstalk-zb-why-havent-you-sacked-vile-commentator-katie-hopkins
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May 26, 2017 11:15am
Maggy Wassilieff

ISIS flag raised in Marawi, city of 200,000
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-25/residents-flee-marawi-as-insurgents-battle-philippines-troops/8559082
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May 26, 2017 11:22am
Fletch

Watch, as on Australia’s morning Sunrise programme, two Muslims argue it out. One, an Imam admits that Islamic scripture commands beheadings, and to massacre people. The other one disagrees, of course.

“I’m not happy at all. I disagree. We have a situation where a month doesn’t go by without a terrorist attack happening somewhere in the world. And for the past 1,400 years, we have had a religion of war. That’s exactly what we have had. This is not something I’m imagining. These are facts. We’ve had many wars. How did Islam spread from Saudi Arabia down to Indonesia and Bosnia? All spread by the sword. We had many wars.

“And for someone to come and say these Islamic scriptures have nothing to do with it, I mean, that’s against the facts. That’s not true. The Islamic scriptures is exactly what is pushing these people to behead the infidel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYuHJ1mrsLI
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May 26, 2017 11:25am
starboard

Doesn’t get much worse than this. Lethal injection would be too good for it. Gotta be whiteys fault.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/auckland/92981699/jaden-stroobant-sentenced-to-preventive-detention-
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May 26, 2017 11:46am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Agree, although I am mostly against the death penalty, there are exceptions. This is one of them. (the other are ISIS terrorists and the like)
  
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  May 26, 2017 12:15pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    … and add to that the human traffickers who lock men, women and children in wooden cages, put them into overloaded wooden ships (which sink) and then shoot at them if they try to escape: At least 30 people have drowned in a new Mediterranean disaster.
    
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    May 26, 2017 12:59pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Watched over the fence and waited, scum.
  
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  May 26, 2017 1:47pm
- thedavincimode
  
  The bush pigs in Auckland (re the woman dumped and left for dead in the Dome Valley) got a healthy dose of priz today as well, along with their failed executioner; 16 year and 13 year sentences dished up.
  
  But still not enough. We are talking the very bottom of the barrel here folks. Sub-human. They don’t have the capacity to change. It would take a legislative change for stroobant to ever get out. Enter porcelain chops if she ever gets in …
  
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  May 26, 2017 2:37pm
Dave_1924

Kathryn Ryan – why don’t you run for elected office? As an interviewer your not bad but declining with an endless desire to talk over a politician ANSWERING your question because his/her answer doesn’t meet with your approval.

Whether Labour or Green [suspect Labour given they way you respond to certain things and get exasperated with Labour “strategy”] why not leave the cushie life behind and step out into the bear pit of politics as a candidate?

Questions inspired by listening to KR “talking” to Steven Joyce on RNZ’s 9-12 show
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May 26, 2017 12:10pm
Rachael Membery

Look out the Internet Party is back
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May 26, 2017 1:34pm
krazykiwi

I see the Taupo Cycle Challenge is inviting e-bikes to race this year. Not sure if it’s the first year. If you fancy a podium without pedaling, just grab a B52 and do the 80km half-lake at 80km/h.

I think this genre mixing is nuts, and potentially dangerous Other than fuel type, there’s little distinction between many e-bikes and conventional motorbikes, and no one would consider putting bikes and motorbikes into the same race field.
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May 26, 2017 1:34pm
- nasska
  
  I would! 🙂
  
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  May 26, 2017 2:47pm
  - RalphT
    
    Yes, but don’t you support putting men in the same field as sheep?
    
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    May 26, 2017 3:23pm
    - nasska
      
      Only if they’re paying by the hour! 🙂
      
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      May 26, 2017 3:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Anyone else noticing that the stephieboy consortium disappears when a reasoned challenge is presented to their sniping posts?
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May 26, 2017 1:47pm
- simpleton1
  
  Yes, stephieboy does not like the sharp points of the source of islam, koran hadith etc. up him., But that is what the revered Mohammad said and did.
  
  I did pick up a last year that he was finding it difficult to argue about the “shibboleths” that should be ignored, in the koran hadith etc, It kept proving that Mohammad was “mad”, a term he tried yesterday.
  
  Any facts that are used, do not go away, no matter how many squirrels, he points out in a bushy (contextual) cherry picking tree.
  
  Maybe he is finding that he is exposing more facts, when “a reasoned challenge is presented” and he is coming off as illogical.
  
  Still fun in a learning manner, teaching one to focus, and understand the support there is from islamic apologists.
  
  Perhaps time out, regrouping, doing a team hug to rebuild their morale? Dare ask if he has learnt anything 🙂 about islam.
  
  Appreciate your contributions too Maggy Wassilieff, bringing forth the bafflement of stephieboy. 😉
  
  On other issues I think he will still liven up.
  Perhaps the great thing he is probably out and about doing other things. Thinking well?
  
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  May 26, 2017 2:40pm
starboard

***Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go***

Away with you kiddy fiddling cretin. You are a filthy low life scumbag.

Au revoir all. Im back to Bangkok tonight then down to good old Phuket tomorrow..miss you already..
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May 26, 2017 2:01pm
- itstricky
  
  Miss you x x
  
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  May 26, 2017 3:00pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Watch out if you are dining on หลู้ lou
  https://migrationology.com/northern-thai-blood-soup/
  
  Folks have been coming down with meningitis after their dish of piggy blood
  http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-40046698/scientists-warn-about-vietnam-pig-s-blood-delicacy
  
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  May 26, 2017 3:14pm
kowtow

It’s what the media refuse to tell us that matters.
Here’s a story from Germany about international organised crime but refuses to name the nationality or ethnicity of the alleged culprits .

https://www.thelocal.de/20170523/munich-police-crack-criminal-cell-responsible-for-fifth-of-all-german-burglaries
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May 26, 2017 2:09pm
- RalphT
  
  The presence of women in the gang would tend to rule out a certain religious group. Given that the group is operating as far westward as Spain my suspicion is that they are Romanians (possibly gypsies), who are quite active in pick-pocketing across the continent. (Personal experience.)
  
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  May 26, 2017 4:18pm
  - kowtow
    
    my guess is Roma from Croatia.
    
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    May 26, 2017 6:11pm
B.L.Zeebub

See ya, don`t let the door hit ya on the way out.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93012800/david-bains-new-life-under-new-name

Obviously upset by only getting an extra 20 bucks in yesterdays budget.
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May 26, 2017 2:11pm
- thedavincimode
  
  He’ll always be ‘big ears’ to me. And incredibly lucky.
  
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  May 26, 2017 2:42pm
Swifty

At the risk of summoning the Bainiacs….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/93012800/david-bains-new-life-under-new-name

See you later. Murderer.
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May 26, 2017 2:38pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Moving next door to Callinan? Perhaps they should have gone to Canada?
  
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  May 26, 2017 4:22pm
Maggy Wassilieff

The consequences of leaving a vulnerable child to grow up in a druggie family?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/92981699/My-whole-world-shaken-to-its-core-murdered-mothers-family-says

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10393379
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May 26, 2017 2:45pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I wonder if the two are related? (With a singular surname like that, I would say that the changes are better than even.)
  
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  May 26, 2017 5:13pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Read the first link… the aunt has the same name as the person named in the second link.
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:22pm
- GoVege
  
  No doubt the kids…including one severely disabled and one a burglar/murderer at 19…were paid for by the ever generous NZ tax payer.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:17pm
Michael

Why are comments no longer in time order? It is quite confusing seeing W o O’s comments appearing well after he made them.
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May 26, 2017 2:54pm
Michael

Bain should never have received an ex gratia payment when he almost certainly murdered his family.
In my opinion Amy Adams allowed herself to be manipulated by a manipulator par excellence.
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May 26, 2017 3:05pm
- GoVege
  
  He was paid to pi….go away, Michael.
  Nobody can stand to see his creepy dial in the news anymore.
  Just feel sorry for the kid when he finds out the reason for the shortage of relations.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:20pm
Manolo

Stating the bloody obvious:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4536842/Muslim-psychiatrist-calls-cut-Islamic-immigration.html

A Muslim psychiatrist born in Bangladesh has called for a restriction on Islamic migration in the wake of the Manchester terrorist attack and slammed the failure of multiculturalism.

Tanveer Ahmed, who has a practice in Sydney’s west, says this week’s killing of 22 people in the United Kingdom, watching an Ariana Grande concert, meant the public had a right to be concerned about Islamist extremism.

‘A short-term response of restricting Islamic immigration is reasonable and one supported by majority opinion throughout Europe according to a February Chatham House poll,’ he wrote in The Spectator Australia on Wednesday.
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May 26, 2017 3:23pm
- RalphT
  
  “A short-term response of restricting Islamic immigration is reasonable…”
  
  Except I would make it a long-term response.
  
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  May 26, 2017 3:53pm
- GoVege
  
  Interesting article.
  I see that idiot Germaine Greer is trying to compare female genital mutilation with male circumcision and western cosmetic procedures.
  I’m starting to see how “lefties” have got a name for stupidity.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:34pm
noskire

I know one of David Bain’s aunts very well. What is left of his family have no doubt he was the killer.
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May 26, 2017 3:30pm
- Longknives
  
  The ‘Black Hands’ wasn’t it?
  
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  May 26, 2017 5:16pm
Fletch

If you’re partial to The Beatles, then check out the new 50th Anniversary stereo version of Seargent Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band, mixed by George Martin’s son, Giles. Out today at JB Hi-Fi etc in different versions and box sets. You can listen to the 2-disc version on Spotify also, including outtakes etc.

https://open.spotify.com/album/3LXItxKnnJcEDc5QdTc00n

There has been a stereo version before but it was basically an afterthought, with instruments mixed to one side and vocals to the other, etc. In this new version, for instance, on the title track McCartney’s lead vocal is mixed to the middle instead of being on the right channel with the rest of the vocals.

Worth checking out if you like them.
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May 26, 2017 3:52pm
Inandout

Ten Manchester rodents have been arrested thus far.
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May 26, 2017 4:02pm
- Longknives
  
  All ‘Lone Wolves’ according to TVNZ!
  
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  May 26, 2017 5:14pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Lone rodents?
    
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    May 26, 2017 6:11pm
Jack5

The day of the year when share milkers move their herds between dairy farmers has traditionally been called gypsy day. The roads fill with cows on the move.

But “gypsy day” apparently is now offensive and will be renamed when referred to by the Otago Regional Council.

A Dunedin City councillor, Aaron Hawkins, has tackled the regional council over the term. He told the regional council in a letter:

“The word ‘gypsy’ is commonly used as a slur against Roma people, but even putting that aside, drawing a comparison between herds of cattle and any ethnic grouping I would have thought was pretty offensive.”

The Regional Council, caving into the PC complaint, says it won’t use the term again.

So now we have the G-word. Perhaps we could rename the old biplane the “G Moth”. Did the ” G spot” originally refer to some magical physical advantage of Roma girls?

And Hawkins? In 2013, he was elected to the Dunedin City Council in the central ward as a representative of the Green Party. He has stood in the election for mayor of Dunedin and failed.

The council web profile says that Hawkins, aged about 30, is a full-time politician after being a freelance broadcaster and writer since 2004.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/92982214/otago-regional-councils-uturn-over-use-of-gypsy-day
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May 26, 2017 4:15pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  PC gone mad again, everyone is going to continue referring to it as gypsy day.
  
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  May 26, 2017 5:00pm
  - GoVege
    
    Just like we still call “Mt Taranaki” Mt Egmont!
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:37pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “And Hawkins? In 2013, he was elected to the Dunedin City Council in the central ward as a representative of the Green Party.”
  
  Green Party, you say! No wonder he is so sensitive to the “G” word…
  
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  May 26, 2017 5:10pm
- Longknives
  
  Ha Ha it will get a ridiculous new Maori name that nobody can pronounce just like the Otago Settler’s Museum did (As ‘Settlers’ deserve to be erased from History apparently..)
  
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  May 26, 2017 5:11pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    How could the people of Dunedin do that to their heritage? There must be a lot of self-hate.
    
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    May 26, 2017 5:30pm
    - Longknives
      
      Amazing eh? There is some seriously interesting History down Otago way (Goldfields/Breaking the Land etc) and it is all being erased in the interest of ‘Political Correctness’…
      
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      May 26, 2017 5:57pm
    - kowtow
      
      Ody
      There was “consultation”. Vast majority wanted to retain settlers. Went to a council vote. 50 /50 split.
      
      Most people stil call it Settlers , it’s the greenstone wearing/ academic/ beardie types that say “toitu” with the correct inflection.
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/toitu-official-after-mayor-casts-vote
      
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      May 26, 2017 6:03pm
- kowtow
  
  The problem is with the people in authority giving in to this bullying, because that’s what it is, dressed up as social activism. No one is being offensive calling it Gypsy Day. The thing is as we keep surrendering to the far left bullies , they are encouraged and will push for more change.
  
  This surrender was also stupid.
  
  “Dunedin Mayor Peter Chin has apologised for the controversial “it’s all white here” cricket promotion, while lashing out at media coverage of the story.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/mayor-sorry-slogan-blames-media
  
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  May 26, 2017 6:27pm
Manolo

The incompetent knows better:
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/obama-lectures-trump-walls-builds-one-around-d-c-home/

Former President Barack Obama joined German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin on Thursday to lecture the western world, and ostensibly President Donald Trump, on the supposed benefits of opening their borders to the world — not three full days after a child of Libyan migrants blew himself up at a concert filled with teenagers and children in Manchester.

Earlier this year, however, it was reported that Obama was preparing to do just that. In January, TMZ reported that the Obamas were constructing a large brick wall around their swanky new Washington, D.C., residence.
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May 26, 2017 5:02pm
- Fletch
  
  He also said “at least he tried” to stop violence in Syria.
  Yeh, right… Remember his red line?
  
  “As president I didn’t always have the tools I wanted to affect those changes, but at least we tried,” he said, referring to the conflict in Syria.
  
  Obama made his remarks during a panel conversation with German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin, admitting that the two leaders were unsuccessful in stopping the conflict, “despite our best efforts.”
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/05/25/obama-at-least-we-tried-to-stop-violence-in-syria/
  
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  May 26, 2017 5:28pm
CharlieBrown

Can someone with a little bit of legal knowledge tell me if it would be illegal for Local Counsel planners to buy up real estate knowing that non-publicly disclosed big commercial ventures are going to be looking to purchase those properties in the future?
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May 26, 2017 5:34pm
- KevOB
  
  If private knowledge is being used for personal gain that is a form of corruption. Public servants were once warned against that. Prosecution can be difficult. I have a feeling that prosecutors now are overly concerned over tying up every possible loose end before going ahead. The police should be bolder and quicker in expressing public outrage through the Courts.
  
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  May 26, 2017 10:04pm
- Inandout
  
  The amalgamation process started in 1989 was supposed to slow profiting from inside knowledge, but it is common amongst councils. Councillors are supposed to stand for election for the public good, but often personal pocket lining creeps in.
  
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  May 26, 2017 10:07pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2012, Gather Yourselves from Villainy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7hQcy53Ep8

A change of pace from last night so perhaps some might like this better.
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May 26, 2017 5:39pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Filipino militants now bolstered by Indonesian and Malaysian ISIL fighters.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/fighting-isil-linked-philippine-group-170526050310649.html
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May 26, 2017 7:25pm
Reid

Huge advance in Eastern Syria against the evil ISIS and its evil supporters.

The sheeple don’t know it because they don’t want to know but Eastern Syria was the planned stronghold for the ISIS remnants whereby they could continue operating in Syria, move into to Iraq at will and take the Syrian oil fields and basically keep the evil dream alive. This is why the US bombed an armoured column heading to ISIS-held US Special Forces-reinforced position a fortnight ago.

For now, Russia and Syria have countered the evil supporters of ISIS: i.e. the US and its band of sychophantic ME nation-states which its just done several arms deals with.

It’s not the end, it’s not even the beginning of the end, but it’s a fucking good start, for everyone who appreciates goodness and deplores the implaccable evil represented by ISIS which couldn’t exist without the active and constant support and nurturing of the US and Israeli deep states, and all their peodophile, enslaving, murderous, thuggish and sychophantic ME vassels.

Hooray for the good guys!

Syria announces Operation Grand Dawn in the eastern desert against ISIS

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/25/syria-announces-operation-grand-dawn-in-the-eastern-desert-against-isis/
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May 26, 2017 7:42pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Could be the reason Jihadis are moving to Mindanao, Phillipines.
  
  “What’s happening in Mindanao is no longer a rebellion of Filipino citizens” but “has transmogrified into an invasion by foreign terrorists who heeded the clarion call of the ISIS to go to the Philippines if they find difficulty in going to Iraq or Syria,”
  https://www.rt.com/news/389770-philippines-marawi-foreign-terrorists/
  
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  May 26, 2017 7:48pm
  - Reid
    
    Yes Maggy. Does it occur what happens to us when Malaysia and Indonesia suddenly gets populated with the ISIS mentality?
    
    Assuming the US is busy with China, just how long do ya think Australia could possibly hold off let’s say just 10% of those country’s populations infected with the ~~Israeli~~ ISIS virus who wanted to come down and do to us what they’ve been doing to the Yahadi Christians?
    
    That’s the threat, it’s always been the threat. And it does affect you, more particularly, all your female relatives and those males who haven’t yet reached puberty, because that’s who they want.
    
    Not trying to scare you. Welcome to the world as it is, today. Whether or not you know it.
    
    Garret didn’t like me pointing that out to him. Prefers to hide his head in the sand, I guess.
    
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    May 26, 2017 7:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Not trying to scare you.
      
      I read H.C. Armstrong’s biog of Ibn Saud (Lord of Arabia) some 50 years ago..
      
      I read V.S. Naipaul – Among the believers over 30 years ago.
      
      I’m not too surprised with the growth and movement of wahhabism thought throughout the world.
      
      I’m aware that events of today were set in motion decades ago.
      
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      May 26, 2017 8:17pm
      - Reid
        
        I’m not too surprised with the growth and movement of wahhabism thought throughout the world.
        
        Are you surprised with the way the West has been heavily promoting it in the last twenty years?
        
        When I say “promoting” I do of course mean: providing arms, logistics and intel, not just standing back and letting it happen.
        
        It doesn’t surprise me of course since I know the West is run by evil men, just I hadn’t noticed you decrying it in the past so I thought you were one of those who neither understood nor disapproved of those truths.
        
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        May 26, 2017 8:54pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Reid you haven’t read me carefully.
        
        I have on a number of occasions here pointed out when Britain and the US have been doing dodgy deals with the Saudis.
        
        I have pointed out the changing nature of Turkey under Erdogan.
        
        I’m just not into your christianity and sheeple approach.
        
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        May 26, 2017 9:04pm
      - KevOB
        
        T S Lawrence’s account of his time in Arabia is an eye opener too. Warring tribal Bedouin that became Saudi Arabia.
        The Americans later made an unholy pact to support the Sauds in exchange for propping up the USA dollar by having the oil sales settled in it.
        
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        May 26, 2017 10:13pm
    - EAD
      
      @ Reid,
      
      I think it will take a while yet before the Malyasians get like that – they are a thinking people and they know for the moment who is pulling the strings. Do you remember this speech in 2003 by the then Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad:
      
      http://www.rense.com/general43/jwsrue.htm
      
      Jews rule the world, getting others to fight and die for them, but will not be able to defeat the world’s 1.3 billion Muslims, Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad has told a major Islamic summit.
      
      “The Europeans killed six million Jews out of 12 million. But today the Jews rule this world by proxy. They get others to fight and die for them,” Mahathir said, adding, “1.3 billion Muslims cannot be defeated by a few million Jews.”
      
      The veteran Malaysian premier, who has become notorious for his controversial speeches during his 22 years as leader of this moderate Muslim country, was addressing the opening session of the Organisation of the Islamic Conference (OIC) summit.
      
      He told the biggest gathering of Muslim leaders since the 2001 attacks on the United States that all Muslims were suffering “oppression and humiliation”, with their religion accused of promoting terrorism.
      
      Acknowledging weakness and division in the organisation’s ranks, Mahathir said they could at least take a common stand on the Palestinian struggle against Israel and it was time to plan a “counter-attack” against the enemies of Islam who treated Muslims with “contempt and dishonour”.
      
      He called on Muslims to emulate the Jewish response to oppression, saying the Jews had “survived 2000 years of pogroms not by hitting back, but by thinking”.
      
      “They invented and successfully promoted socialism, communism, human rights and democracy so that persecuting them would appear to be wrong, so they may enjoy equal rights with others.
      
      “With these they have now gained control of the most powerful countries and they, this tiny community, have become a world power.
      
      “We cannot fight them through brawn alone, we must use our brains also,” he said.
      
      “Of late because of their power and their apparent success they have become arrogant. And arrogant people like angry people will make mistakes, will forget to think.
      
      “They are already beginning to make mistakes. And they will make more mistakes. There may be windows of opportunity for us now and in the future. We must seize these opportunities.”
      
      I’ve talked to people older than I and they recall travelling through places like Pakistan and Afghanistan and recall a warm friendly people. It is apparent to the non-sheeple amongst us that it is only neo-con warmongering that has turned some of these people into the violent terrorists along with CIA funded groups like ISIS.
      
      To your point and stepping outside of what I know and trying to put 2 and 2 together, I would not be surprised if the 2 Malayasian Airlines flights were taken down deliberately and then a narrative fanned in Malayasia that it was “Western elements” that did it. Propaganda like this is how you turn a peaceful people violent over time…..
      
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      May 26, 2017 8:24pm
stigie

If you’re crazy on the B3 Hammond organ like i am, listen to this ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdJeCjIwGFk
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May 26, 2017 7:47pm
- Inandout
  
  I used to own a Thomas organ with a 15 foot flute and rotating Leslie speakers. Couldn’t sell it so Sallies took it.
  
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  May 26, 2017 10:14pm
Happychappy

Is anyone else getting phone calls from scammers saying they are from windows and there is something wrong with your computer or from the Inland revenue department as I have had several phone calls this week.
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May 26, 2017 7:55pm
- Ross12
  
  Yes Happychappy . 3 times yesterday. You can tell it’s from overseas as there is a slight delay when you answer as well as the accents. I just laughed at them and told them it was all a scam. After the third time they got the message.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:13pm
- SGA
  
  They have finally got to you? They’ve been around for a while. Once I told them that my computer was a Cray and so it didn’t run Windows, but apparently that didn’t matter – I needed their help anyway.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:21pm
  - Fletch
    
    They rang me up the other day – I sang to them on the phone 😉
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:54pm
- simpleton1
  
  Too many times, this month.
  I do not have caller ID., but I figure there are a large number of calls to the answer phone and no message left.
  Then inevitably that day they have caught me at lunch time or the evening..
  The problem is that quite often I do have callers with a foreign accent, so I have to figure if they are genuine, or those scammers.
  
  I think that they do not keep record of the times they have called before.
  only windows
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:23pm
  - simpleton1
    
    They often gets short shift.
    
    Sometimes I tell them that yes,,,,, the room has windows,,,, with a lovely view of rams,,, no not computer ram,,,, rams you know,,,, woolly ones,, and yes there is computer wifi,,,, probably windows with a view,,,,,, of real green grass,, no, no drugs,,,,
    
    Often telling them “line is bad”,,,, and too much echo. Then tell them,,, then tell them,, I must be I musst be,,,, talking in echo, talking in echo,,,, as it a bad line, as it is a bad line,,,
    
    Very bad very bad,,, bug, bug,,, virus, virus,, from their from their phone,, their phone.
    Flu injection from the Dr, will do tomorrow.
    
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    May 26, 2017 8:42pm
  - simpleton1
    
    It is a pity that they are overseas, as I would like them to become a part of a crime scene.
    Idea is from someone in the states, who recognized part of the number to a state.
    
    To answer like a detective, and noting I have their caller ID. That the line will be traced if they hang up, and the police will be around there as soon as,
    So answer some questions,
    how long have they had dealings with the deceased?
    What was their relationship to him?,
    looks like a real brutal murder born from hate,
    Did you have sexual relations with him.?
    Sort of looks like that. Every where there are paintings and pictures, and it looks like he was a flaming queer.
    Perhaps a unit should be sent around to check out your tendencies.
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:38pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  1. Tell them you don’t have a computer
  2. Tell them you don’t have Windows on your Mac
  3. Tell them you just have to run downstairs to get your laptop, and can they hang-on for a minute….leave them hanging on the other end…..
  or my usual..
  4. Tell them to P./F.O.
  
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  May 26, 2017 8:37pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Hold the phone up to the smoke alarm and press the test button.
    That sorts them out.
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:02pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I usually ask them “what’s a computer”?
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:38pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Get rid of the landline and go naked broadband. Problem solved – all those bludgers with a harbour bridge to sell that call dead on beer o’clock have gone forever out of our lives.
      
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      May 26, 2017 10:03pm
  - KevOB
    
    Once I kept them busy for nearly an hour and they fetched three supervisors to get me to follow. They wanted me to down load an executable file which would have given them access remotely to my computer and I would have had to pay them a small ransom if they could be trusted to continue. I was actually running Linux as we do on most family PC’s. When asked they said they were in Queens Street Auckland. A recent caller also said the same when asked. We all know better. Now I tell them very bluntly that they are criminals, mention Police and they immediately close the call.
    
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    May 26, 2017 10:25pm
nasska

We used to have empires ruled by emperors. Then we had kingdoms ruled by kings.

Now we have countries.
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May 26, 2017 9:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  ruled by counts.
  
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  May 26, 2017 9:24pm
  - nasska
    
    Nearly right but no chocolate fish. 🙂
    
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    May 26, 2017 9:26pm
Maggy Wassilieff

At least 23 killed in ISIS attack in Egypt
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/93045793/dozens-killed-and-injured-in-attack-on-coptic-christians-in-egypt
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May 26, 2017 10:28pm
Manolo

Crooked as always:
http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-overcome-by-coughing-during-wellesley-speech-needs-water/
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May 27, 2017 6:25am
BeeSting

The Philippines is not going to Roll Over to the
Invasion of their Country Organised
By Indonesia, Australia, Saudi Arabia, and Malaysia.

Early Days but it looks like they are going to show
ALL the Christians of the World

HOW YOU DEFEND YOUR SELVES.

GOING TO BE SOME GOOD NEWS STORIES
COMING OUR WAY

Fingers Crossed

YES SIR

They Make a Heap if their own Gear anyway
we hope to see all this put to good use.

http://www.udmc-weapons.com/videos/
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