General Debate 25 May 2017

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duggledog

Joanne Harrison has cost us much more than $750,000.

Add:
Police time
Court case
Parliamentary Enquiry
State Services comm. Enquiry
Incarceration
* Welfare for the rest of her life (nobody will employ her now)

* Welfare and a pension should cease to be a right for any person convicted of any crime that carries more than a three-year prison sentence, unless they can, say, keep out of trouble for ten years.

That a person can, means there is utterly no incentive for rather a lot of people to play nicely.

My Chinese mate likes to say this is exactly why NZ’s welfare culture has a limited lifespan, and his culture (and others) are going to be this country’s future. They all know it too.
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May 25, 2017 8:03am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
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  “My Chinese mate likes to say this is exactly why NZ’s welfare culture has a limited lifespan, and his culture (and others) are going to be this country’s future. ”
  
  Ding dong ching chong everything you say is wrong.
  
  Chinese culture is Third World.
  
  Then we import them, and all they want to do is turn our country into another shitty Third World dump.
  
  Your yellow boyfriend needs to be sent back to his Dirt World place of origin – and you can go with him, but I warn you the Rd Capitalists don’t look kindly on Fag marriages.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:36am
  - G152
    
    William whatever
    You must be liebor.
    They have this phobia about chinky sounding names.
    Racism is alive and, unfortunately, well
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:39am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    East Asia has been strongly influenced by Chinese culture for millennia (and later by Western philosophy and the Enlightenment).
    
    I recommend that every chauvinist live overseas for at least two years and learn the language of that culture, so that they may love (or loath) their motherland upon their return.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:29am
    - starboard
      
      Agree. I find Asia fascinating. I love all of it. Sure they have some shit holes but its all part and parcel of the east. We have giant turdsvilles in the west.
      Asians are nice people, you just need to take the time and get to know them.
      
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      May 25, 2017 12:21pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Jeez mate, that’s a bit severe.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:48am
- GoVege
  
  Don’t forget another lady cost us nearly 100 times that a few years back, but she was never prosecuted.
  So many thieves….
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:33am
William of Ockham

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11862450
Climate case: The student versus the minister
Former prime minister John Key once described it as “a joke” – but now a Hamilton student’s climate-change lawsuit against the Government is about to get an airing.
In a case thought to be the first of its kind, Sarah Thomson has taken Climate Change Minister Paula Bennett to court over what the 26-year-old claims is a lack of action over the issue. [continues]

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/may/23/climate-change-government-court-cases-study
More people heading to court to spur action on climate change, study finds
Study by UN and Columbia finds ‘proliferation’ of cases instigated by citizens
Lion’s share of court cases are in US but number also growing around the world

Global warming and climate destabilisation is obvious to anyone rational and informed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
Action required: Neutral Carbon Tax.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

Come on you jokers, see if you can do better than 50 downticks … a feeble response!
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May 25, 2017 8:04am
- Peter
  
  I’m sure, as it is so important, your Green mates will make immediate and deep AGW action a non-negotiable bottom line and will campaign on little else.
  
  If they don’t, I think we can safely assume it’s all talk.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:23am
- VicParking
  
  Lets hope her case gets thrown out and she has court costs against her which will make he student debt seem like chop change.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:42am
- Kea
  
  Oh Willy, you and your doomsday nonsense. Stop being a silly boy and throw another shovel of coal on the fire, it’s chilly out 🙂
  
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  May 25, 2017 7:26pm
EAD

Despite it only being White countries that are subjected to never ending nation changing levels of immigration from the 3rd world, the “all of humanity is in this together” propaganda is relentless from the owners of the MSM now that the bodies are cold:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4537682/Man-prays-Jewish-woman-tribute-Manchester-dead.html

‘Renee’s 93, a Jewish lady. I’m a Muslim man. But at this moment in time faith doesn’t mean anything. We’re in this together we’ll get through this together.’

Ms Black added: ‘We’ll try to get through this together and not matter about the colour or creed or whatever you are, we’re all the same people and we bleed like everybody else.’

Note there is never any discussion on why the Mohomaddiaens are here in the first place despite the natives never being asked if they wanted mass immigration. Just more of the same “We need to get along, kumbiya” cr*p.
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May 25, 2017 8:05am
- EAD
  
  7 downtickers aye – I’m sick of those emotional imbeciles who repeat the propaganda that wanting to kick 3rd worlders out of countries is somehow “racist” (apparently the crime of the century 🙂 ) and that we should all just hold hands as one big blob of rootless “humanity”.
  
  The reason for our beliefs, as this Israeli Minister notes, is not out of “hatred” of other people, but because of the love of our own:
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-africans-idUSBRE85A0VI20120611
  
  Israel said on Monday it had started rounding up African migrants in the first stage of a controversial “emergency plan” to intern and deport thousands deemed a threat to the Jewish character of the state.
  
  Israel Radio reported that dozens of Africans, mainly from South Sudan, had already been detained in the Red Sea resort of Eilat, including mothers and children.
  
  “This is only a small group of the infiltrators,” Interior Minister Eli Yishai said. “I’m not acting out of hatred of strangers but love of my people and to rescue the homeland.”
  
  That’s the right attitude – only in this mad upside down world of ours can love of ones own people be called “hate”.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:40am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    EAD,
    No doubt you have already seen this video, but just in case…
    The narrator is quite plain-spoken.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKY5bFe_b-o
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:32am
  - GoVege
    
    Not quite “imbeciles” but close to it.
    Anyone with half a working brain can see that practically all the war-torn nations on this planet have one common denominator: a large Muslim population.
    Let immigrants prove they will not be a danger to their hosts before they are allowed in.
    
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    May 25, 2017 11:49am
- doggone7
  
  There is probably as much discussion on why the ‘Mohomaddiaens” are here as there are about why there are Christians here.
  
  The locals let the Christians in but the Christians don’t want to let the ‘Mohomaddiaens’ in?
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:41am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Iron Mohomaiden!!!
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:50am
  - Jack5
    
    doggone7 posts at 8.41: “The locals let the Christians in …”
    
    But there was a Treaty. Where’s the Treaty that allows Muslim immigration?
    
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    May 25, 2017 1:08pm
Souvlaki

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It appears to this observer, the Nats are doing everything possible to piss people off and throw the election. What the hell are they voting down an eminently sensible suggestion on Blasphemy laws for ? On the “day of all days …following the Manchester bombings…partially caused by a rabid bunch of nutters who support such blasphemy laws? ‘What kind of message does this give? Engage brain please! Morons the lot…I can’t support them!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/92922057/blasphemy-law-remains-in-new-zealand-after-national-and-maori-party-vote-down-repeal
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May 25, 2017 8:05am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I guess you haven’t seen DPF’s post on the reason why Souvlaki.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:09am
  - Souvlaki
    
    No KS, I haven’t seen it.
    
    I assume,from the staunch ‘down ticking’ to my comments, those people support the possibilty (albeit absurd ! ) of incarceration for up to 12 months for saying “OMG “?? The law is SO anachronistic,(in my opinion at least)it does not need select committee oversight prior to repeal( waste of time and money). Being “gone by lunchtime”seems the more appropriate response. Cheers 🙂
    
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    May 25, 2017 11:05am
Nukuleka

It is being reported that the imam of the mosque which the Manchester bomber attended delivered a lecture about the evils of the Islamic State and Al Qaeda. According to the imam Salman Abedi looked at him ‘with eyes of hate’.

If it sounds like some overwritten passage from a 3rd rate work of fiction then maybe that’s because it probably is. Call me Mr Cynic but I don’t believe a word of it.
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May 25, 2017 8:07am
- stephieboy
  
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  Nujeukeak , the source for this piece of goss or is it in your “cynical ” imagination ?
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:14am
  - rangitoto
    
    The British press.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:25am
  - David Garrett
    
    Stephie: You are a disgraceful apology for a human being…since the Manchester tragedy you have commented here numerous times…but NOT ONCE have you expressed any sympathy for the victims of this outrage perpetrated by at least one member of your foul creed…just the usual obfuscation, red herrings and non sequiturs about the lack of threat posed by the 200 Muslims (or whatever it is) in Dunedin.
    
    Shame on you.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:32am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      What David said. The fact that you can’t even express remorse for the death of 21 innocents at the hand of one fanatic speaks volumes.
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:34am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      IMHO Stephieboy is not only a supporter of radical Muslim terrorists but I hope our security forces have Stephieboy under 24 hour close surveillance.
      
      The utterings from this person should cause the security forces to be extremely concerned.
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:38am
      - RalphT
        
        Not so much the security forces as the mental health authorities.
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:54am
    - stephieboy
      
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      David Garrett, you do not have a monoply on sympathy .Many of your kind have used the attack as a platform for venting their highly selective Anti Islamic and Muslim bashing sentiments ( like you ) with little apparent regard to those injured or killed at the Arena.
      
      Shame on you !
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:39am
      - VicParking
        
        “Many of your kind”.
        What kind are you? What kind is David?
        No more needs to be said down tick for you
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:50am
      - Lance
        
        Still can’t show any sympathy… what a give away
        
        I used to think stephieboy was a laughable sideshow but alas I have a much lower opinion now
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:52am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Oh dear stephie – from the files of “it’s OK when the Left do it”….
        
        “Many of your kind “
        
        that sounds like you are condemning a whole bunch of people because of their beliefs because of the words of one (ie DG) individual.
        
        Once again – showing the massive cognitive dissonance of regressive socialists and demonstrating (again!) why socialism is in disarray and collapse around the world.
        
        Thank you for continuing to perform this ongoing public service!
        
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        May 25, 2017 9:28am
    - 4077th
      
      Am almost convinced Mr Stephiboy is a bot put here to keep this place from becoming an echo chamber like WO. Seems to be working…
      
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      May 25, 2017 1:05pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    I sense the Infidelophobe is about to have another busy day.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:34am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “Infidelophobe”
      You had better get that trademarked before someone steals it.
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:45am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    When you have to resort to name-calling Stephie, you have clearly lost the argument.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:35am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Stephie, do you ever worry you could get Doxed?
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:39am
- krazykiwi
  
  The earliest place radicalisation can be detected is at the local mosque. Secular* imam’s have a duty of care to their community and to the state to notify authorities so that appropriate actions can be taken. Our schools are required to do where child abuse is suspected.
  
  * despite the ‘all muslims are evil’ rhetoric here there are plenty of secular imams in the West, and while there’s lots to disagree with in terms of ideology, these people don’t endorse killing innocent civilians. We need them on our side in this war.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:18am
  - KevOB
    
    “Secular imam’s”? That’s like saying Christian atheists.
    Muslim belief is not very accommodating of non-belief: lashes, beheading etc.
    
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    May 25, 2017 10:10am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Muslim belief may not very accommodating of non-belief: lashes, beheading etc, but statistically Muslim behaviour is accommodating, ie the majority of their number demonstrate secularised behaviour . We need these people as our eyes and ears because the state isn’t succeeding in this function.
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:24am
      - KevOB
        
        We had that problem in WWII too. Statistically most Germans living in NZ were good people. My gt. g/father was interned but governments world wide took no chances. If the problem escalates we may have to consider that again. Once we had orderly growth in society but now I am seeing Muslims frequently everywhere. They are not going to want to assimilate and they are sufficiently different to form ghetto communities. We can love them as neighbours but they may be difficult in the long run.
        
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        May 25, 2017 10:39am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    In Islam, there are no innocent infidels. According to the Qur’an we are all born muslim but we infidels have unknowingly strayed because we never knew we were actually muslims. That makes us guilty in Islamic eyes. Therefore all non muslims are guilty of apostacy which attracts the death penalty under sharia law.
    
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    May 25, 2017 11:06am
    - krazykiwi
      
      This is the theory, yes. What do you see happening in day-to-day reality?
      
      My point was, and remains, that Muslims who choose to ignore the calls to violence – the vast majority – need to be our allies, not our enemies.
      
      But if you are to assume the every Muslim is a Salman Abedi in waiting, what do you propose doing now?
      
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      May 25, 2017 11:12am
    - GoVege
      
      What I find incredible is that Britain has allowed the setting up of Sharia law courts.
      These should be the first things to go.
      Surely the first obligation of a citizen is to obey the laws of its country?
      You can’t have groups of people starting up and running their own courts.
      No wonder they think they are a law unto themselves. ..they are…literally!
      
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      May 25, 2017 3:04pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Yes, I agree. Allowing Sharia law courts was incredibly foolish. There are more than 100 courts in the UK, dispensing judgments that have no legal basis
        
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        May 25, 2017 10:28pm
- Scott
  
  Nukuleka – I agree with your scepticism! For a good perspective on Manchester the gate stone Institute has it right –
  
  “After hearing of the Manchester terrorist attack, politicians once more communicated their by now old-routine of “shock” and “grief” at the predictable outcome of their own policies.
  
  Most dumbfounding of all, German Chancellor Angela Merkel said that she was watching the developments in Manchester “with grief and horror” and that she found the attack “incomprehensible”.
  
  Every time a European leader publicly endorses Islam as a great faith, a “religion of peace”, or claims that violence in Islam is a “perversion of a great faith”, despite massive evidence to the contrary, they signal in the strongest way possible that with every devastating attack, the West is ripe for the taking.
  
  When ISIS attacked the Bataclan Theater in Paris in November 2015, it did so because, in its own words, it was “where hundreds of pagans gathered for a concert of prostitution and vice.” A year earlier, ISIS had forbidden all music as haram (forbidden). Many Islamic scholars support the idea that Islam forbids the ‘sinful’ music of the West.
  
  It should, therefore, not be a surprise to anybody that Islamic terrorists might target a concert by the American pop singer Ariana Grande in Manchester on May 22. In addition, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security warned last September that terrorists are focused on concerts, sporting events and outdoor gatherings because such venues “often pursue simple, achievable attacks with an emphasis on economic impact and mass casualties”.
  
  Islamic State claimed responsibility for the Manchester suicide bombing, in which a device laced with screws and bolts was detonated. Twenty-two people, children and adults, were murdered in the explosion that ripped through the Manchester concert area; more than 50 people were wounded. While the media is describing the use of nail bombs at the concert hall as a new and surprising tactic, it is in fact an extremely old one, practiced by Arab terrorists on Israelis for decades.”
  
  https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10408/manchester-bombing-shock
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:22am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Scott, Ok then what is Gladetones and your grand solution after all that sprawling pile of rhetoric ?
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:27am
    - lastmanstanding
      
      Hunting down the dogs and do these things and killing them before they kill.
      In every case including Manchester the terrorist was known to the security forces.
      
      Needs a law change so security can round them up and hold them indefinitely until they can prove they aint terrorists.
      
      Its called common sense which is a distant stranger to pollies civil servants.
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:32am
      - stephieboy
        
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        lastmanstanding , we live in a society that operates on the basis of civilised norms and values including the Rule of Law ,
        
        Not barabaric ones or the law of the jungle .
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:42am
      - G152
        
        No. If they come to the attention of the western security forces send them straight to islamic countries.
        Doesn’t matter which one.
        Let them deal with the insanity of islam.
        And if they’re ‘visiting’ one of the hellholes don’t allow them back into the civilised world
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:46am
      - doggone7
        
        So everyone ‘known to the security forces’ is rounded up and held indefinitely until they can prove they ain’t terrorists?
        
        Can someone prove they ain’t a terrorist? Anyone likely to be a terrorist is locked up? What makes a person likely to be a terrorist to the extent they pass that defining line of being locked up forever?
        
        Is common sense and reality just a distant stranger only to ‘pollies civil servants’?
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:49am
    - Scott
      
      Sure stephieboy – always happy to reply to your always thoughtful questions.
      What the British should do is first of all what Theresa May is doing – get British troops out on the streets in force. The families of the perpetrator or perpetrators should be investigated and if collusion is found then their citizenship should be revoked and they should be immediately deported.
      Secondly the mosque that the perpetrator went to should be investigated and if found guilty of inciting violence should be closed down. The imam at the mosque should be investigated and if found to be colluding with the perpetrator should be arrested and if not a British citizen should be deported immediately after serving their sentence.
      
      That will do for a start. After that I would recommend a reintroduction of British values, a demand that any immigrants learn English and the absolute expectation that they will learn British ways and British values.
      
      It’s called standing up for yourself and your culture. It’s called believing in Western civilisation and taking strong measures to defeat any existential threats.
      
      Now I have answered your question stephieboy. Do try and remember my answers and not ask me the same questions over and over again.
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:41am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I do not agree that they should be deported after sentence, that only gives them the opportunity to infect the prison population, what is wrong with immediate expulsion? On occasion there would not even be a need for the expense of a trial.
        With the Manchester bomber I believe that his father is a high ranked known Islamic figure. (According to the herald anyway, how many red flags do there need to be.)
        
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        May 25, 2017 9:22am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Well put Scott.
        
        Although – I’m normally against capital punishment – but the cancer of muslim terrorism has given me pause to reconsider my blanket opposition.
        
        Killing hosts of little children starts to push the boundaries for what justifies summary execution. I recognise that in a few cases some mistakes will be made but the introduction of capital punishment by submersion in boiling pig fat seems an entirely proportionate response for muslim terrorists who target children.
        
        Still, I’m sure our resident Islamists will be keen to make a reasoned case for why picking bits of kids’ blood and bones out your hair is a small price to pay for “diversity”, “tolerance” and “feelings”.
        
        BTW that wasn’t hate speech it was a justice policy talking point.
        
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        May 25, 2017 9:35am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  This is incorrect understanding of the idiom – “Eyes of hate.”
  
  It is actually a positive way of looking at someone in Islamic culture.
  
  For example: “I looked at my favorite wife with eyes of hate. She caught my stare and knew that tonight we would make love.”
  
  Its actually very poetic and means passion and understanding.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:37am
- Rachael Membery
  
  He should have reported him then
  
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  May 25, 2017 12:02pm
  - GoVege
    
    I can just imagine that, Rachel.
    “My parishioner/ mosquishioner looked at me with eyes of hate, officer…go arrest him.”
    
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    May 25, 2017 2:09pm
Left Right and Centre

Manchester . . .

But for nearly an hour Mrs Dick cradled the girl as police swept the area before allowing in paramedics.

I wonder if any more could have been saved had that been less than a few minutes ?
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May 25, 2017 8:08am
- kowtow
  
  The Age of Nelson is long dead, today we have protocols , disobey those and something goes wrong or someone makes a complaint you’ll lose your pension.
  This is where police won’t jump into a lake to save someone drowning because they didn’t do that course , where uniforms are being changed so as not to offend gender confused nutters ,where the Manchester Police will fly a so called Rainbow Flag from a gummint building……….
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:14am
  - Lance
    
    Or is it because a standard tactic by ISIS assholes is to detonate a bomb, and then after a typical response time from the emergency services let off and even bigger bomb to kill the responders.
    These cunts do this all time in the middle east.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:24am
    - kowtow
      
      It’s been a standard tactic for a very long time and not just in the ME.
      Doesn’t mean that the people running the security services have to stand around while people die.
      That’s why I said the Age Of Nelson is dead.
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:29am
  - stephieboy
    
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    kowtow, what has Lord Neslon Nelsongot to do with the Manchester arena attack and combating terrorism ?
    
    Most of the kids attending wouldn’t know or care who he was .
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:30am
    - kowtow
      
      Fuck off.
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:31am
      - Lance
        
        Couldn’t have put it more eloquently myself kowtow
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:57am
    - Longknives
      
      Could you be any more of a Twat Stephieboy? This Manchester attack is all a hilarious joke to you isn’t it?..
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:43am
    - GazzaW
      
      It’s high time for you to get a permanent red card. I can’t believe that your comments are representative of the Labour party but if they are they should never be allowed near the Treasury benches again. I prefer to believe that it’s just pig ignorance on your part.
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:52am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Hang over from ‘the troubles’ where the murdering IRA would have two devices with the second to go off when the Samaritans arrived
  
  I was very pleased when Martin McGuiness died and wished he could have done so in as much pain as his victims and their families
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:38am
Inandout

Seems a lot of Manchester Muslims are behind this bombing, and now we hear the blow up boy’s father tried to stop him going back to Libya. Yeah right. When is the UK government going to cancel passports of those terror travellers.
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May 25, 2017 8:09am
- stephieboy
  
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  Inandout ,
  
  “Seems a lot of Manchester Muslims are behind this bombing ”
  
  “Seems” ?
  
  Evidence and facts ?
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:31am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Well the New York Times seems to think so.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/24/world/europe/manchester-bomber-salman-abedi.html?_r=0
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:41am
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      Padriv Ustoev,
      
      The NYT says no such think . They are refering to a network of opertaives which suggests a very small number of people .
      
      Having all Muslims involved in Manchester would obviously easlily give the game away.
      
      Have another try !
      
      BTW what an earth are doing citing the”evil” MSM NYT ?
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:47am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Nice deflection.
        
        But that whole neighbourhood sounds pretty dodge. There is a map an photos and everything.
        
        Co incidence or Islamophobia? You tell me steph, you tell me.
        
        https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3638079/manchester-bomber-school-moss-side-terrorists/
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:55am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    There you go, defending the indefensible again.
    You are truly a pathetic excuse for a human being.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:43am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      and what some would have us ‘look forward’ to.
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:37am
      - GazzaW
        
        Spot on Rachael. A vote for Winston and there’s a good chance you’ll get Andy as a bonus.
        
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        May 25, 2017 10:56am
- David Garrett
  
  Inandout: And as I predicted, the perpetrator is a British born Muslim, just as in almost every such case, the perp is not the Muslim immigrant – who may well be grateful to be out of whatever sandy shithole he comes from – but his son(s)
  
  And this phenomenon is exactly why importing “moderate Muslims” – is not going to help…it is the CHILDREN we have to worry about…at all levels, because if they are born here they can’t be deported elsewhere after whatever prison sentence they serve.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:37am
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    David Garrett , again your fears are paranoid ones not grounded in reality .
    
    Otherwise get off the keyboards and for a change get into some effective and meaningful protest action !
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:51am
    - RalphT
      
      Sadly I don’t think David is the one who has a problem with reality.
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:02am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Wrong and wrong stephie – you are thinking like an irrational socialist when you say those things.
      
      Firstly, DG is not saying irrational things if the things we see in the world around us seem to support the hypothesis he’s making.
      
      Secondly, he is doing meaningful protest action – he is saying the un-PC things that people like you seek to shout down in more public arenas. The pen IS mightier than the sword – if he wasn’t being successful you wouldn’t be spurting so much outrage – you are proof that DG is succeeding in his meaningful protest action. Again your wrong-headed socialist thinking equates “meaningful protest action” with the sort of overt violent fascism we’re seeing in the us from Antifa and the insane self-destruction of the Democratic party. Trump is looking more and more certain for a second term BECAUSE of what you consider to be “meaningful protest action”.
      
      In reality, when you say “meaningful protest action” it translates directly into “LOSING”. And why would you using losing tactics to get your point across?
      
      Just to save you the effort – I’ve put myself in your head and I’ve prepared your intellectually incisive refutation of my logical analysis above for you…
      
      “More insane ranting from DP”
      
      There – that felt better didn’t it? And wow you’ve won all those KB readers over!
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:43am
- Keeping Stock
  
  More to the point, Abedi’s father and brother were arrested in Libya:
  
  The Manchester bomber’s father and two brothers have been arrested on suspicion of links to Islamic State in relation to Monday night’s chilling attack.
  
  Suicide bomber Salman Abedi, 22, killed 22 people when he detonated a nail bomb after a concert at Manchester Arena on Monday night. His youngest victim was just eight years old.
  
  The Telegraph reports Abedi’s 20-year-old brother, Hashem Abedi, was arrested on Tuesday night in Libya’s capital Tripoli by counter-terrorism forces.
  
  On Wednesday, the attacker’s older brother, Ismail, was arrested following police raids in the UK.
  
  On the same day, over in Libya, three armed vehicles arrived to take away their father, Ramadan Abedi, an administrative manager of the Central Security Force in Tripoli.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11862744
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:38am
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    What happened to the earlier story that the father was a handyman living in Manchester?
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:45am
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      Put out as a distractor…..
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:51am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      That’s a very valid question. Perhaps Stephieboy can answer it for us (but probably not) 😎
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:17am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Handy in teaching how to make nail bombs
      
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      May 25, 2017 1:36pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    It make you wonder why they were accepted as refugees, clearly being in danger in Libya was false, if used as a reason.
    
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    May 25, 2017 10:39am
kowtow

Big Muslim attack under way in the Philippines.
Don’t expect too many hashtags, lit up buildings or peace rallies in solidarity , just like after the recent St Petersburg attack.

“Militants linked to Islamic State swept through a southern Philippine city, beheading a police chief, burning buildings, seizing a Roman Catholic priest and his worshippers and raising the black flag of Isis, regional authorities have said.”

Note the leftwing Guardian calls them militants, not terrorists.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/24/isis-linked-militants-kill-police-chief-and-take-hostages-in-philippines
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May 25, 2017 8:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Duterte has cancelled his trip to Russia
  Has declared Martial law in Mindanao
  CNN identifies the militants as Islamic Militants
  http://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/23/asia/philippines-mindanao-clashes-martial-law/
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  The satanic death cult is in hyper-drive at the moment.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:47am
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    Rich Prick , Islamic seperarism has being active in Philipines for years and years .
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:53am
  - kowtow
    
    Ramadan at the end of the week.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:54am
    - Rich Prick
      
      The bomb-a-thon officially starts tomorrow.
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:03am
oldpark

Seems the so called Islamic Terrorist, who murdered and injured so many in Manchester,and who the western world so called Main Stream Media,are desperate to call the sicko a “lone wolf’ .It has now been reported that he had a network of people of his same persuasion aiding and assissting him in the murder of little girls going to a pop concert. Seems by all directions and instructions to MSM,dont mention “Quran” and instructions on how to eliminate “infidels”. Perhaps, seems it is alright to suck it up with a stiff upper lip.and let our wee children be murdered,and not mention the Islamic terrorists in too bad a light.
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- stephieboy
  
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  oldpark, you can be assured that MSM are well up on the Manchester attack with so far five arrests ,
  
  “Manchester bombing: Fifth man arrested following attack”
  
  Detention follows announcement bomber’s younger brother also held in Tripoli
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/manchester-bombing-arrest-man-salman-abedi-attack-latest-news-updates-a7754016.html
  
  I think trying to track the perpertrators is rather more important to the police and security services than reading copies of the Quran or what ever ,
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yes, The New York MSM is so well up with the attack that it is leaking restricted information.
    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/24/world/europe/manchester-arena-bomb-materials-photos.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:42am
- simpleton1
  
  A known wolf, who knew all of the koran by heart, and would have known the abrogating verses, which would have set him on his mission of destruction of infidels.
  
  5 times a day for prayer, saying that Jews are making poor decrepit Allah angry, and the Christians are led astray. Mohammad left some great abrogating verses in the koran to follow.
  They do not seem to be shibboleth verses as some would say.
  
  Just what is a poor muslim boy to do?
  How to be dutiful to Allah, like Mohammad the perfect man?
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:32am
  - Inandout
    
    Looking at that photo of Abedi, faulty breeding springs to mind.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:21am
- SGA
  
  who the western world so called Main Stream Media,are desperate to call the sicko a “lone wolf’ .
  
  Really? Maybe I’ve been looking in the wrong places, but I’ve yet to see any reports of “lone wolf”.
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:35am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yep, you’ve been looking in the wrong place
    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/22/manchester-attack-this-was-a-well-thought-out-plan.html
    
    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/manchester-terror-attack-bomber-identified-10484363
    
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    May 25, 2017 11:39am
    - SGA
      
      From your Mirror link
      
      GMP’s Chief Constable Ian Hopkins said: “The priority remains to establish whether [Abedi] was acting alone or as part of a network.”
      
      Really Maggy, that hardly qualifies as the MSM being “desperate to call the sicko a “lone wolf’” – you are setting the bar pretty bloody low 🙂
      
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      May 25, 2017 11:51am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Whatever…
        
        I showed that the first reports did mention lone wolves….
        
        that’s the context other people were referring to…
        
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        May 25, 2017 11:56am
duggledog

Ncukuleka

What’s really fun is that the police and other state organisations are foiling terrorist plots All… The… Time.

All across Europe.

They’re bound to get through and will continue to do so in increasing numbers.

Long term, it’s going to get ugly, as the politicians will just have no idea what to do. Speeches like Teresa May made yesterday don’t solve nothing.
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- stephieboy
  
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  diuggledog,
  
  “Speeches like Teresa May made yesterday don’t solve nothing.”
  
  Then what will ? Banning a world wide religion ?
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:23am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Yes why not? What would be the negatives for the people who are NOT part of that religion.
    
    Please explain?
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:43am
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      Padriv Ustoev , your obviously of not a sound mind .How would it work e.g banning Islam in say Indonesia , Malaysia or Saudi Arabia ?
      
      Please explain ?
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:55am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        No trade no travel rights. All Mosques closed and turned into LGBTQ centers. Done.
        
        Now Stop deflecting.
        Answer my question. What is the disadvantage for those who are not Muslim?
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:58am
  - mara
    
    For continuing to put diversity, tolerance and multiculturalism ahead of the lives of British people she should apologise and resign immediately. Her replacement may be no better but at least she will have paid a price and the Brits might actually start to believe that they are being listened to. Churchill knew the truth about Islam. Look it up.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:11am
    - EAD
      
      Is like to ask Stephieboy
      
      “Why is allowing our children to be blown to bits more humane than relocating Muslims back to the Islamic world?”
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:16am
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD, our/ your children ? Not all of them were white !
        
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        May 25, 2017 2:05pm
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Banning Stephiebots would be a good start
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:11am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      No – I disagree. The enemy within is important to listen to.
      
      SB is a necessary vector that makes us more able to frame our reasoning to others when there is a chance to talk to saner minds.
      
      We have to remember the level of propaganda the populace is being subjected to is akin to what is experienced during a war – the trusting in society only hear the “tolerance”, “diversity”, “welcome” mantra. And they hear it over and over and over again. It is a form of brainwashing.
      
      Speaking the truth in these times is an act of rebellion and we may only have one chance every few weeks to open the eyes of the more trusting in society and SB helps us share the reasoning and rationale for our justifiably fear of islamification of our Pacific paradise.
      
      He makes us stronger. And you never know, maybe after SB has experienced some islamic-perpetrated personal horror, SB may be ready to be join the forces of good.
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:52am
  - starboard
    
    You’re pissing into a nor’ wester stupid boy..call it a day eh.
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:47pm
- kowtow
  
  https://www.thelocal.de/20170524/berlin-drug-raids-lead-to-arrest-of-four-islamists
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:33am
lastmanstanding

Methinks Joanne and Mark were bonking each other that why Mark ignored the 8 warnings he was given about her.

And what about the bullshit about the letter he wrote asking for an inquiry and offering to step down.

The letter was written for him and he was forced to sign it.
Pollies and civil servants ( neither civil nor servants) think we are stupid insulting our intelligence with their continued bullshit.
Bunch of Weasels all of them from all sides of the aisle.

Time to sluice out the Agean Stables that is the political and civil service and replace them with people of ethics and morals.
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May 25, 2017 8:21am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Nurse, quickly . . . .
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:42am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who is Mark?
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:53am
  - Dave_1924
    
    Former NZTA head, now Auditor_General Maggy…..
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:23am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      His first name is Martin…. not Mark.
      
      Now having clarified who LMS was referring to,
      
      I must admit I find the bonking scenario improbable….
      
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      May 25, 2017 12:02pm
lastmanstanding

Morrissey has called out the Queen May Burnham the Mayor of Manchester( former Labour hack) and the Muzzie Mayor of London for their weasel words all hiding behind the security around them not having to face the dangers the citizens face.

Also called them out for not telling the truth like the Burnham said it was an extremist. Morrissey said an extremist what? A extremist rabbit?

None have the guts to say it is Muzzies either home grown or imported all hell bent on wiping out the Infidel all supported and high fived bu the other Muzzies all pretending they dont support the terrorists.

Our Government will sit on the arses and do nothing and when an attack happens here all hand wringing and weasel words.

They are ARSEHOLES.

A Government that fails to protect its citizens is a failed Government. No excuses. No Bullshit.
A failed Government.
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May 25, 2017 8:28am
- simpleton1
  
  The truth can be found in the deviousness and so called shibboleths of the koran, in particular the abrogation verses, with an understanding of the chronological order of the suras.
  Plus the hadith, sunnah and sira, Biography of Mohammad’s other sayings, deeds, actions and practices, with all commentary of his Companions.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:38am
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    simpleton1
    
    Madness !
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:56am
    - simpleton1
      
      “Madness” It is good to see that stephieboy is in agreement.
      So a tick for you knowing that mohammad was mad.
      
      So you do agree the mad koran, hadiths with all the shibboleth verses, mainly the better verses for you that Mohammad explained are mad?
      
      Will you stand up in a mosque and call out Mohammad’s madness, and advise muslims that Mohammad was not a very good messenger for Allah.
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:10am
- calendar girl
  
  “A Government that fails to protect its citizens is a failed Government.”
  
  Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari a prime local example of such failure.
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:16am
- Kimbo
  
  Morrissey has called out the Queen May Burnham the Mayor of Manchester( former Labour hack) and the Muzzie Mayor of London
  
  He also “called out” the Queen. But as per my post yesterday, is laughable that a standard right wing Kiwiblogger would quote Morrissey as a reputable analyst, unless it was on the basis a stopped clock is at least right twice a day. He makes Russell Brand look sane.
  
  And as per the death of Airey Neave and Lord Moutntbatten, and the bombing of the Conservative conference in Brighton (all by the IRA) politicians and/or royalty get targeted by terrorists too. Indeed, compared to the average Brit, they’re more likely to be killed, no matter what the security measures.
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:43am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Morrissey has finally landed on Planet Earth and seen the light – 1980s socialists’ heads will be exploding!
  
  He sounds miserable now!
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:53am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The one good point he made (and I have heard the same from others) is that the people choosing ‘diversity’ and large scale immigration from Islamic and 3rd world countries live far removed from where these immigrants come to live. They do not have to endure the problems and dangers that these new arrivals create. If all UK politicians and journalists had to live in Luton, Bradford, Tower Hamlets there would be rapid change in policy towards Islam.
  
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  May 25, 2017 10:18am
holysheet

Is it just me or are you all over the indecision about the Christchurch cathedral.
They have got 46 million from the insurance company. Just use this money to build a replacement building and get it done. If you cannot build a church for 48 million then you are not truly christians. Or better still spend 20 million and give the rest to the poor and poverty stricken.
That would get them more kudos with their sky fairy than any building.
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May 25, 2017 8:30am
- Scott
  
  Holy sheet – I suspect the good Anglicans of Christchurch would like nothing better than to rebuild their cathedral? But the difficulty is that people who are not Anglicans and who probably never darken the door of the church (Jim Anderton comes to mind), insist that the Christchurch Cathedral should be rebuilt exactly the way it was.
  
  Whereas I suspect the Anglicans want to rebuild the Cathedral in a more modern way to meet the needs of 21st-century worshippers rather than the 19th century worshippers the original Cathedral was designed for. In other words if busy bodies who are not actually Anglican church goers left the Anglicans alone, a new Cathedral would be built in good time.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:47am
sooty

Labours Grant Robertson has a bit in the herald, if it was my budget. What makes you think you will ever get the chance? You have to win the election first and what makes you think that you will be the minister. There will be other people lining up for that job from other partys.
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May 25, 2017 8:32am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  A budget which is ‘a plan to give every New Zealander a fair share in prosperity’
  
  No work required, just a slice of someone else’s pie, and that is a core reason why the fucked up coalition from the left are unelectable
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:46am
- niggly
  
  Did he cut and paste from the Economist again (or simply more socialist economic redistribution rhetoric)?
  
  Just asking as not going to waste precious time reading the unworthy NZ Horrible’s and charlatan Robo’s article to find out! 🙂
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:56am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Kiwibuild was mentioned which doomed the article to pap, touchy feely no number sentiment which was rubbish at best
    
    It was Robertson after all so I was not disappointed in the slightest
    
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    May 25, 2017 10:23am
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/92898341/mayor-urges-government-to-buy-and-restore-christ-church-cathedral-if-deal-falls-through

Dalziel wants the govt (aka the taxpayer) to buy and fix the cathedral.

I say rather just leave it as a pile of rubble – a monument to the impotence of man vs nature, the irrationality of religion, whatever.

I don’t mind people being religious. Benign religions generally give people a recipe book for an honest life.

But I do have a problem with the concept of an all-powerful god that we should all thank for saving us from the earthquake. If he really is all powerful then he could have let the earthquakes happen.
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May 25, 2017 8:34am
- KevOB
  
  Perhaps God was offended by the very large Buddha close to the Church in the square for a religious festival birthday celebration.
  
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  May 25, 2017 10:19am
rangitoto

I see it’s been reported that the perps younger brother has been arrested in Tripoli for being a Daesh operative.
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May 25, 2017 8:35am
- simpleton1
  
  The arrest in Libya with some implicating devout family.
  
  But Hashem Abedi had been in touch with attacker Salman Abedi, Bin Salem said, and was suspected of planning to carry out an attack in the Libyan capital.
  
  https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-security-manchester-libya-idUSKBN18K28M
  
  kk you bet me, another source that shows the “integrity” of those snakes, we take home.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:43am
krazykiwi

From The Telegraph

Abedi’s father Ramadan has reportedly been detained by Libyan counter terrorism police while recording television interviews, according to ITV News.

He was in Libya when his son slaughtered all those children?

Abedi’s younger brother Hashim has also reportedly been arrested in Tripoli, Libya, on suspicion of having links to the Islamic State group that claimed responsibility for the attack.

It’s family affair.

On Wednesday a Muslim community worker told BBC News that members of the public called the police anti-terrorism hotline warning about Abedi’s extreme and violent views several years ago

Public contact police. Police contacts mosque, presumably where the Muslim community worker worships… and I’m guessing the imam said “No. Abedi is a nice boy. Really. He helps in the community. We’ll keep an eye on him” and the police left it at that.

Find the hand-wringing, pen-pushing copper who let this one go, and sack him.
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May 25, 2017 8:41am
- tusker
  
  Libya is deeply unstable, riven by numerous power lord factions vying for control. It’s a corrupt lawless place with any bullshit story that supports the aims of a particular faction being fed to the gullible MSM as ‘fact’. This so called ‘arrest’ is just as likely to be a kidnapping by thugs to give themselves prominence.
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:17am
lastmanstanding

Close up photos of the Manchester carnage showing the horror of the dead and wounded should be taking to the Mosques and the Muzzies should be forced to look at the photos whilst being lectured how its ‘their people” doing this and demanding to know what they are going to do to stop ” their people” from doing it.
This should happen at every one of their pray meetings for 30 days.

Give them a taste of their own medicine.
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May 25, 2017 8:44am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  That would be Islamophobic tho. And Racist for some reason.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:50am
  - holysheet
    
    Islam is not a race, its a foul cult that is lead by a depraved paedophile nutter. Just as are all its followers.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:04am
    - tusker
      
      You left out the levitating, illiterate, Arabian merchant bit. Major fail. You need to lift your game.
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:21am
  - GoVege
    
    Even a Muslim psychiatrist in Australia is advocating stopping Muslim immigration, according to Leighton today.
    
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    May 25, 2017 11:23am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I would rather someone introduced a bazooka round to Friday prayers
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:51am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Paulus Gnome , trying out your insane delusion on your nearest Mosque ?
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:57am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Why on earth would anyone sane want to go to a Mosque?
      Tell us Stephie what would happen at the Mosque, that beacon of peace?
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:25am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Why do you think that it would be upsetting?
  
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  May 25, 2017 10:46am
- cmm
  
  That was the sort of thing done at the end of WW2 to deNazify the Germans.
  
  Townsfolk near the worst concentration camps were sent to clean up.
  
  For every radical Muslim there must be tens of supposedly non-radical Muslim that knows what is going on in their heads – yet there are very, very few interventions.
  
  Showing everyday Muslims exactly what the radicals are doing might just help them face the truth.
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:10am
  - SGA
    
    For every radical Muslim there must be tens of supposedly non-radical Muslim that knows what is going on in their heads – yet there are very, very few interventions.
    
    You might be right, but how do we know that?What we see are the attacks that are successful, not the budding terrorists that are stopped before they even get a chance to get started. Likewise, I have no idea to what extent security forces get information from Muslim sources (who, if they exist, would want their involvement kept very quiet).
    
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    May 25, 2017 11:44am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yep. And I note the irony, considering cmm’s South African origins. As per Desmond Tutu:
      
      I don’t know how apartheid survived so long when so many white people have told me over the years, “I don’t/didn’t support it!”
      
      But it’s ok cmm. We don’t think you are a racist. Well, I don’t. Can’t speak for stephieboy but as per Maggy Wassilief’s efforts, he is in the remedial class.
      
      But maybe time to extend the same courtesy to others, and refrain from the suspicion others you don’t know are committing thought-crimes
      
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      May 25, 2017 11:52am
Padriv Ustoev

Do you guys think Stephie is trolling or is he actually this insane?

If he is trolling shouldn’t he be banned?
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May 25, 2017 8:49am
- krazykiwi
  
  I believe Stephie is a consortium, with an attack script. Definitely here to troll. I’m surprised that DPF has allowed it to go on, but he’s the blog owner… and obviously a gentleman
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:59am
- stigie
  
  Don’t think Stiffy should be banned because of his fucked up opinions, can’t have this blog acting like the Stranded at every whim..?
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:59am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Don’t ban Stephie.
  
  He conveys his political masters’ thinking and tactics to a T.
  
  I sure everytime he posts here, he converts another one of us to the opposite of his rant.
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:02am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Do you think he may be a group of political activist? I’ve long suspected It could be a group of uni students or possibly a family using the same account. It certainly often feels like a young woman posing as a man.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:07am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I have thought the same…. but honestly, can you believe that a tertiary institute has dropped its standards so low that it could accommodate stephieboy’s literacy and logic failings?
      
      If it is a family, then they need to get their act together.
      Sometimes a more literate member turns up, but he has no recall of what other stephieboys have posted here.
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:23am
      - jcuk
        
        Since few here check what they have written before posting I would suggest he/her/they are a careless mob. Else they are illiterate …..
        
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        May 25, 2017 10:10am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I am sure that Stephie is a lone wolf, no need for back up surely, entirely autonomous.
        
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        May 25, 2017 11:10am
    - Inandout
      
      If that is the case, he/they are being watched, but I think he is just a malcontent with perhaps a Muslim relative or neighbour. He is so unpopular on here that there must be masochism in his makeup.
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:32am
    - RalphT
      
      You mean someone without any balls?
      
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      May 25, 2017 9:39am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Yes to that last point – I’ve thought the same on more than one occasion.
      
      I am also wondering if there is a bit of European influence sneaking in there too – from time to time it’s almost the same sort of racial guilt that has been drilled into Germans since the end of the war that is sneaking through. And the quick resorting to insults rather than debate is quite European too.
      
      Still maybe we give too much credit 🙂
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:01am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I don’t think there is much European influence in stephieboy’s writings.
        
        All the new & old European emigres I have encountered are very sharp on their written English… they get grammar. (Remember they are usually fluent in at least 3 languages). They also have a good general knowledge.
        
        I think the stephieboy syndicate owes much more to NZ’s “tomorrow’s schools”.
        
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        May 25, 2017 10:07am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        Maggy Wassilieff , another one being silly and chasing ghosts ?
        
        Rest assured I’m a single being who does not operate as a syndicate or what ever. Whether you and others are stupid enough to believe otherwise I simply do not care .
        
        The point is that it does not take a lot to counter flimsy and weak arguments such as yours and others on the Arena massacre . ( lack of grammar skills not withstanding )
        
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        May 25, 2017 10:23am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        I simply do not care
        
        If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t have bothered posting a reply.
        
        But now that you are here….. (and as you know, I have a great interest in working with lads with crippling literacy skills)… could you explain how every now and again a legible post pops up amongst your usual mangled offerings?
        
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        May 25, 2017 10:59am
      - GoVege
        
        Why this obsession with Stephieboy!?
        
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        May 25, 2017 11:25am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Why this obsession with Stephieboy!?
        
        coz its wet outside and I can’t do my gardening.
        
        I s’pose I could do the vacuuming and make hubby some scones…….
        but na, I’ll play on KB.
        
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        May 25, 2017 11:35am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W, sad to see how you get carried away with the unreason of the Muslim bashing mob.
        
        Are you ever capable of independent and reasoned thought ? Any ideas how you might go about banning 1.6 billion Muslims from this earth of ours ?
        
        As for your other patronising twaddle and humbug the less said,
        
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        May 25, 2017 2:10pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Any ideas how you might go about banning 1.6 billion Muslims from this earth of ours ?
        
        Where have I ever advocated the banning of any one religion?
        
        Where have I ever advocated the banning/removal of any human-being on this earth?
        
        You do have a habit of ascribing beliefs/views to people that they have never expressed, let alone thought.
        Are you capable of reading anything that I have written and accurately comment back upon it?
        
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        May 25, 2017 5:32pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    He’s certainly got me hating the satanic death cult just that little bit more, that’s for sure.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      Rich Prick , from your past postings it would be impossible to change anything about your unhinged rants and postings about the issues .
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:25am
      - Rich Prick
        
        You’re the one with dubious hinges. As evidenced by your comments on this blog.
        
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        May 25, 2017 11:25am
  - tusker
    
    MW@9.02. Absolutely. A view into the mind of depravity that we would not otherwise have.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:24am
- Rachael Membery
  
  I think that Stephie does a vital job, I confess that without Stephie my ‘exposure’ to Islamic views would be very limited or limited to the MSN.
  Stephie has done much to form my views on Islam.
  LEST WE FORGET
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:39am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Rachael Membery , yourself an aspiring Pauline Hanson wannabe ?
    
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    May 25, 2017 10:27am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I know that I am in trouble when you spell my name right. lol
      The only aspirations that I have are to preserve my culture, it would seem that you have the same aspirations.
      Why are your aspirations right and mine wrong?
      It would seem that your culture is the wannabe, mine oversaw the enlightenment and is what you want to bring down, a backward step if ever there was one.
      If your culture was seen to advance humankind that might be a different story, but IT DOESN”T.
      I do not know how you can abide being in the company all day, every day, albeit on line, with the infidels that you have such disdain for, while availing yourself of our Western largesse.
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Trust me Rachael, stephieboy is no Muslim.
        His knowledge of the Islam faith and the Koran is abysmal.
        His role here is purely to throw shit on DPF’s blog and to try and take down folks who express views that differ from those of his political masters.
        
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        May 25, 2017 11:04am
      - Kimbo
        
        You really think stephieboy has masters? Who would be stupid enough to employ him as a minion?!
        
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        May 25, 2017 12:55pm
      - Jack5
        
        I think varying style, from vocabulary to spelling and punctuation, proves there is more than one Stephie. The Stephieboys are a troll team.
        
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        May 25, 2017 1:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W, kindly give us examples of your in depth knowledge of Islam ?
        
        A lot of my knowledge derives from the fact that there are many who live in Mt Eden and neighbouring suburbs . I know some them very well like the Iranian family next door They are not the security threat that your paranoid mind might like to think. I dont see them in the crude and prejudiced stereotypes that you appear to do.
        
        Tell us all about the handful of Muslims that you might know of in Gisborne ?
        
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        May 25, 2017 2:21pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        You really think stephieboy has masters? Who would be stupid enough to employ him as a minion?!
        
        Who said anything about stephieboy being in employment?
        Ephesians 6:5
        1 Peter 2: 18-20
        
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        May 25, 2017 2:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        kindly give us examples of your in depth knowledge of Islam…….
        
        Tell us all about the handful of Muslims that you might know of in Gisborne ?
        
        1. I have read the Koran…. admittedly in English…. but one of my copies was given to me by a proselytising group in Kuala Lumpur
        2. You are aware that I have not spent most of my life in Gisborne….
        3. I have worked with, taught, cooked for and tramped with Muslims
        4. I have lived in and travelled in a Muslim country.
        5. I used to buy my meat at the Halal butchery in Newtown when I lived in Island Bay.
        
        I dont see them in the crude and prejudiced stereotypes that you appear to do.
        
        Where have I ever treated “muslims” as a crude stereotype?
        Remember it was you that has defiled this blog with porn images of a woman’s vagina.
        It was you that remarked on young Muslim women’s body shapes when they were out & about in a public space.
        
        It is you that has failed to respect the privacy and decency of Muslims by pretending to act as some hero advocate for your neighbours.
        
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        May 25, 2017 4:29pm
  - kowtow
    
    I believe he is a single male , with some Indian heritage and he’s an Anglican.
    
    He deliberately takes a contrarian stance in order to be provocative.
    
    Essentially though he has no intention of making a positive contribution and can be classified as a troll.
    
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    May 25, 2017 11:14am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Thou are bloody right! He is an Indian! Disjointed English. Incorrect use of idioms. Daughter is a nurse, bought a yaris for his wife. But the disjointed broken English! Why did I not pick it earlier?
      And the love of curries.
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:47pm
  - GoVege
    
    Exactly Rachael.
    We need to understand the minds of religious nuts to protect ourselves.
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:53pm
krazykiwi

Brexit and Trump are symptoms of ruling elite not listening to the communites they serve. The response has been a wake-up call by way of relatively benign ‘tick’ on a voting form.

For May, Merkel et al, their wake-up call will come not with this atrocity, or the next, but then civilians organise themselves and begin armed offensives against the perceived threats. Leaders need to get ahead of the curve on on this, and get there quickly.
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May 25, 2017 8:56am
- holysheet
  
  Why do you think the armed forces are out on the streets of England? Not to protect the brits, but to protect the mussies from the brits, enraged that they are slowly loosing the fight against these mussie nutters.
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:30am
- Rachael Membery
  
  The communities that they serve are not those of old. In the past interbreeding of Saxons, Normans, Romans, Vikings etc in England was de rigeur, what sane woman would want to breed with a Muslim. (D0esn’t appeal to me but SBW might not count) Took me ages to remember his name. 😉
  
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  May 25, 2017 10:31am
Manolo

Isn’t multiculturalism beautiful?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4536624/Salman-Abedi-known-security-services-point.html
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May 25, 2017 8:56am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo, another irony alert . Are you not part of the diversity dividend ?
  
  Out with it !
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:00am
  - stigie
    
    Well well, another question from Stiffy, who would’ve thought !~
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:03am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, but I’m proud to have left the stupid, senseless and ignorant masses that follow your beloved (and violent) prophet, stephieboy.
    
    Education makes you a better man. try it.
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:22am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, now who would of thought with all your erudite knowledge of astrophysics and who readlily stoops to stupid birther and other type conspiracy theories.
      
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      May 25, 2017 10:29am
- simpleton1
  
  A pack of known wolves,
  Snakes that many want to take home.
  
  Read the unbelievable deviousness, viciousness of Mohammad in the koran, (chronologically and abrogation verses) hadith, (the rollicking, raiding, looting, killing great times of Mohammad’s companions) sunnah and sira.
  
  Shibboleth verses that many are so proud of, and will not dispute.
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:03am
  - GoVege
    
    The problem is the idiots who mouth brainless platitudes like “each to their own” either can’t read, or have never bothered to read up on the death cult that is at the core of Islam.
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:56pm
Peter

Why Katie Perry, and the rest of the deluded left , need to rethink border control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-4GkdupfTw
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May 25, 2017 9:10am
- stephieboy
  
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  Peter , oh dear the deluded Paul Joesph Watson .
  
  What next ?
  
  His side kick Alex Jones ?
  
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  May 25, 2017 10:31am
  - Peter
    
    Try Morrissey.
    
    Or try addressing his argument.
    
    A big, big challenge for someone like you, obviously, but give it your best shot.
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:31pm
Dafixeruppa

Finally recognition that males are disadvantaged now in New Zealand, that the pendulum has swung too far the other way.
This is not to say that women were not disadvantaged in the past and the quite rightly things changed to bring better equity, but it shows how far the pendulum has swung, well past equity.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/news/article.cfm?c_id=35&objectid=11862329
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May 25, 2017 9:40am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I think some boys are going to stay disadvantaged until we get something like 50:50 male: female ratios back in all levels of the teaching profession.
  
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  May 25, 2017 10:15am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    my adolescent-adulthood education spanned a period where we transitioned from primarily examinations that boys did well in to a lot of internal assessment – with heavy homework workloads that the girls with their stronger work ethics tended to do better in. Could shift to endless slog of internal assessment be a driver in the poorer outcomes of boys?
    
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    May 25, 2017 10:25am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    I had some amazing teachers over my school life, but my main memories are of a science teacher that instilled a love of science, a maths teacher that instilled a love of maths and an english teacher that hated me and put me off english as a subject. Guess the sex of each and no prizes for getting it right.
    Sadly, my role now encompasses much that would have made my english teacher proud.
    
    I think that there has been much of great benefit in the changes to society over the last 20 years, but much has also been lost with the demonising of males and chasing them out of education.
    Sadly even when I was young, the only strong reliable male role model that many of these kids had was the male teacher at their school and occasionally the fathers, like mine, that made the effort to show how civilised men should be.
    
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    May 25, 2017 11:28am
krazykiwi

British authorities are starting to cover their arses:

Home Secretary Amber Rudd said Abedi, the British-born son of Libyan refugees, was known to security services “up to a point”“.

‘Up to a point’ has been introduced today. It’s not surprising. Here’s some of what was known by authorities well before the attack:
   ♦ Salman was heard chanting in Arabic outside his house
   ♦ Salman behaviour was reported to the police several years ago
   ♦ Ramadan (the father) worked for a Libyan ‘security firm’
   ♦ Ramadan traveled regularly between Tripoli and Manchester
   ♦ Salman knew Raphael Hostey, once described as an “inspirational figure” for would-be jihadis.
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May 25, 2017 9:54am
- krazykiwi
  
  It gets worse:
  ♦ Ramadan’s connection to radical Islamist group was known to UK authorities
  ♦ Two friends of Salman also became so worried they separately telephoned the police counter-terrorism hotline five years ago and again last year
  ♦ Salman had recently returned from Libya
  ♦ A US official also confirmed that members of Salman’s own family had contacted British police saying that he was “dangerous”
  
  It’s starting to look like a complete failure to act on the part of UK authorities.
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:37am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    MI5 was monitoring 3000 similar individuals in 2015, the number keeps growing. They can’t keep a close eye on all of them all the time. It is inevitable that some will slip through, particularly as they get more discrete about their plots (lone-wolfs plots have higher rates of success than multi-person plots).
    
    This is not a failure, it is statistics and tactics in action.
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:05pm
    - Jack5
      
      I wonder if the Muslim terrorism will reach the point that internment camps are set up for suspects, as in World War 2.
      
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      May 25, 2017 1:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , with you and your Dad’s Army mates here running them ?
        
        LOL
        
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        May 25, 2017 2:25pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        What would be the point? You’d have to inter them for life, few people ever alter their religious beliefs. Better, cheaper and less unjust to pay an Islamic country to take them in as citizens (Banishment), might cost $10-100k each, and cheap at the price.
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:26pm
Nostradamus

Like father, like son

A woman was arrested in Manchester after an armed raid on a block of flats in relation to Monday night’s chilling attack. The bomber’s father and two brothers have also been arrested on suspicion of links to Islamic State.
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The family’s arrest comes hours after Ramadan Abedi claimed his son was innocent. “We don’t believe in killing innocents. This is not us … My son was as religious as any child who opens his eyes in a religious family. As we were discussing news of similar attacks earlier, he was always against those attacks, saying there’s no religious justification for them. I don’t understand how he’d have become involved in an attack that led to the killing of children.”

Meanwhile: Islamic State supporters celebrate Manchester attack online. Religion of peace, you say, Stephieboy?
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May 25, 2017 9:58am
Longknives

For a ‘Lone Wolf’ (As our Media keep telling us he was) Salman Abedi was certainly connected to a hell of a lot of other ‘Lone Wolves’!
His entire family in fact- What a remarkable coincidence that they were all ‘Lone Wolves’ from the same family!
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May 25, 2017 10:24am
- simpleton1
  
  “known wolves”, not only to family and network.
  
  As per “known wolf” Mohammad, recognized as the “perfect man” to follow, as per koran (considering the abrogation verses) , hadiths sira and sunnah.
  
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  May 25, 2017 5:45pm
MCos

Just approaching Huntly.
Fog everywhere, 9 degrees.
Bread 99c
About the liveliest place is the cemetery.
Who’d want to live here?
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May 25, 2017 10:26am
- Kimbo
  
  Kiwiblog regular, coal mine re-entry expert and avid tramper Chuck Bird recommends you go south a bit, and call in to Ngaruawahia. Drinks and political discourse at the Delta on a Friday night are a social and cultural highlight. My recommendation for a conversation opener? “Winston Peters is an opportunist and charlatan with nothing more than a cult-of-personality bullshit routine, fawned over and followed by the naive, gullible and demented”.
  
  Let us know how it went… 😉
  
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  May 25, 2017 10:35am
  - MrTips
    
    Yes, but do they have a pub quiz!!!???
    
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    May 25, 2017 10:44am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Probably not, MrTips, but they may have a local version of Mastermind (the TV show). The following is a possible sample of specialist subjects if you care to try your luck:
      
      – Winston Peters as the saviour of New Zealand
      – Why Pike River was an SIS cover-up
      – Crime hot spots in Ngaruawahia
      
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      May 25, 2017 11:29am
rangitoto

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/sport/331531/america-s-cup-where-are-all-the-women

What about the All Blacks? No women on the Lions team either. Tut tut.
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May 25, 2017 10:34am
- Longknives
  
  I notice Team New Zealand are predominantly White Males as well- Time for some Quotas Methinks!!
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:03am
  - Kimbo
    
    Shortest books in the world:
    
    Italian war heroes
    Australian wit and wisdom
    Maori I have while yachting
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:12pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  yachting, like horse riding and motorsport is a field where women could compete with men on fairly equal terms, outright strength and endurance being less critical. But the (relatively small) number of women are just not as good as the elite men, perhaps that would change if sufficient women sailed competitively, but I suspect not.
  
  Men have about same average intelligence as women, but significantly larger brains – those extra neurons are being used for something – they’ve evolved to be much better at 3D comprehension and prediction tasks (noticeable difference between boys and girls from a young age). There are almost no women able to compete in top level motorsport, and will likely be same for yachting.
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:59am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yeah, but men can’t multitask for shit! 😉
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:12pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      A myth perpetuated by men so that women will accept it as a truth.
      
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      May 25, 2017 1:52pm
Odakyu-sen

Let’s think of Islam as a pathogen that has invaded the body. What can be done?

– Reclassification of Islam as a political ideology (think of it as a totalitarian cult)
– Modification of the way Islam is taught (removal of the martyr loophole to enter Paradise)
– Shutting down of mosques
– Expulsion of religious teachers
– Closing of religious schools
– Banning of followers from sensitive positions
– True factual reporting of crimes in the media
– Creation of parks (on former mosque sites), memorials, and local events to commemorate terrorist attacks (least they be forgotten)
– Efforts to break up “ghettos” and foster positive interactions between muslims and non-muslims
– Public education of the teachings of Islam and how it operates
– Encouragement for people wishing to leave Islam

The list goes on.
The first thing to do is to NAME the problem, and then identify it for what it is (a political ideology) and treat it as you would any political movement that encourages anti-social criminal acts.
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May 25, 2017 11:05am
- krazykiwi
  
  Agreed. So-called radical Islam is a political ideology using the the West’s Muslim communities as a trojan horse. The Islamists know that the West’s hand-wringing ‘progressives’ (I hate that term, so inaccurate) will give Islam quarter, affording their political ideology shelter, new converts and a base from which to attack.
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:22am
- mandk
  
  Interesting, but your solution to the pathogen invading the body is palliative care.
  
  Don’t we also need to think about eliminating the pathogen altogether?
  
  This would necessitate preventing the practice of Islam in any form, and requiring anyone who doesn’t want to give up Islam to leave the country.
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:32am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    mandk,
    The “pathogen” is in the minds of the people who follow Islam. These are men, women, boys and girls.
    
    We must strive to eliminate the negative effects of the pathogen, but at the same time, we must not become totalitarian ourselves in our deeds. That is where wisdom and reason come into play.
    
    This is, after all, a battle for salvation. We of the West and Far East must offer the followers of Islam a way towards the light.
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:14pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Not if it means that they have to come to the west or south in our case.
      
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      May 25, 2017 2:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      In the 1930s over 70 million Japanese believed that Emperor Hirohito was a God and it was their duty to follow his wishes.
      
      Somehow the greater mass of Japanese people were able to rearrange their thought processes.
      
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      May 25, 2017 2:51pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Maggy,
        Japan had a few things in its favor to enable it to rearrange its thought processes.
        The average IQ of the Japanese may be a little bit higher than many of the Moslem nations.
        Ref: https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country/pk-pakistan
        Japan: 105
        Pakistan: 84
        Saudi Arabia: 84
        In addition, the rates of 1st-cousin marriage is significant. Ref: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam
        Pakistan: 70% marriage to 1st cousins
        Saudi Arabia: 67% marriage to 1st cousins
        Cousin marriage is banned in Japan.
        
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        May 25, 2017 7:27pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  yep the first step is recognising and adopting as policy Muslim exceptionalism – ie it is an ideology/religion that is different from other major religions/ideologies in that it aims to dominate through violence and intimidation, supports hatred and mistreatment of infidels and women, and is not live-and-let-live.
  
  But that is a huge step for the west.
  
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  May 25, 2017 11:49am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Better intelligence and monitoring is just a platitude Western governments put out there to try and show the population that they have a solution where as common sense would tell you that trying to foil plots is just the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff because it is doing absolutely nothing to stop the plots developing in the first place.
    The only solutions which will actually address the underlying problem are unpalatable to them so expect our countries to just keeping treading the same well worn path to destruction.
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:17pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Better intelligence and monitoring makes a difference–if you apply it.
      According to the Herald article http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11862888
      U.K. authorities were informed about the bomber on numerous occasions, but failed to act.
      The question is: how many other individuals had they been “warned” about? If 10,000+ then I can understand why the authorities did not act.
      
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      May 25, 2017 12:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        But there is ‘warned” and then there is “prime suspect”. The FBI had tasked an agent in Dallas, James Hosty, to interview Le Harvey Oswald due to his defection to and then return from Russia, and small-time pro-Cuban activities. Was part of their routine investigations and security procedure, nothing to do with Kennedy visiting Texas.
        
        Yet even with that routine measure in place, before 22 November 1963 there was no reason to suspect Oswald was going to assassinate the POTUS (which, contrary to conspiracy theories, he did btw). Same with the 9/11 hijackers. Obvious in hindsight…
        
        Confirms that a 100% guarantee of security is not possible with anything in life. People round here may not like that at the moment, but expelling Muslims will not make the problem go away.
        
        Indeed, a “blanket crackdown” as ISIS wants will inflame the situation, just as the British army did in Northern Ireland in the early 1970s when they tried to root out the IRA from among the wider Catholic community.
        
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        May 25, 2017 12:46pm
  - GoVege
    
    And worst of all, wants to take over the world…by brute force.
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:27pm
  - Kimbo
    
    yep the first step is recognising and adopting as policy Muslim exceptionalism
    
    …But that is a huge step for the west.
    
    But it’s been done before, with communism during the Cold War, and with nuclear weapons that was a hell of a lot more dangerous than the occasional idiot detonating him or herself and some unfortunate passers-by to oblivion.
    
    And the West managed then (including censuring Joseph McCarthy) to walk the balance between security and freedom of thought, expression and association. For example, at no stage was it illegal to be a communist…
    
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    May 25, 2017 12:35pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      And another branch of fascism (Nazism) is still effectively proscribed in Germany, they banned both the Nazi party and the Communist party. In that bastion of democratic rightheadedness (USA) it was legal to shoot Mormons on sight (in Missouri) until 1976.
      
      Proscribing cults and groups can be done without destroying a democracy, but it (rightfully) makes us nervous to contemplate it. Islam could probably be shut down purely on modern hate-speech laws given all its exhortations to violence against infidels.
      
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      May 25, 2017 6:43pm
- GoVege
  
  And ban the burqa.
  If they can’t subjugate their women, they might decide not to move here.
  
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  May 25, 2017 12:31pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Banning the burqa only makes it more popular with the men who force their women to wear it. (Badge of pride…)
    
    Better to have the burqa as a useful marker.
    
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    May 25, 2017 1:41pm
    - GoVege
      
      How can they make them wear it if it’s illegal?
      These relics should stay where they can practise their prehistoric customs.
      
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      May 25, 2017 2:25pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    True and do we seriously need the UN and their dictates?
    
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    May 25, 2017 1:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  Odakyu sen , getting ever so close to Stalin’s Gulags and Nazi concentration camps .
  
  Keep up the deluded fancy work
  
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  May 25, 2017 2:28pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    stephieboy,
    
    How dare you insinuate that I support left-wing totalitarian policies!
    
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    May 25, 2017 2:48pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Drama queen
    
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    May 25, 2017 9:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Another suicide bombing
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/05/deaths-reported-jakarta-double-bombing-170524154014055.html
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May 25, 2017 11:24am
Hugh Pavletich

(AUSTRALIAN BROADCASTING CORPORATION) The Business does the coming property correction … MacroBusiness Australia

The Business does the coming property correction – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/business-coming-property-correction/

By Leith van Onselen

In the wake of Standard & Poors (S&P) downgrading of 23 smaller banks because of an “increased risk of a sharp correction in property prices”, ABC’s The Business ran an interesting segment last night examining the potential fallout. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
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THE HUGE RISKS OF IRRESPONSIBLE & RECKLESS HIGH MULTIPLE LENDING …

The risks involved with irresponsible and reckless high multiple lending are poorly understood … as Central Bank of Ireland research found years after the bubble crash 07 / 08 … that put all their Banks to the wall.

Ireland’s metros unweighted average median multiples for its metros peaked at 4.7 and crashed to 2.8.

Australia is currently about 5.5 … NZ 5.9.

Our bubbles are way way worse than the Irish one. Refer graphs and Demographia Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
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Future Fundie warns Aussie bubble as disastrous as Ireland, US – MacroBusiness

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/future-fundie-warns-aussie-bubble-disastrous-ireland-us/

… behind paywall … extract …

… The fund’s senior researchers Matthew Wilson and Craig Shephard found that about half of all the nation’s mortgage debt was in the hands of borrowers whose debt was more than four times larger than their gross income.

The same borrowers had paid off less than half of their loans, the team found, based on data from several official and private sector sources that adjusted for changes in incomes and the collateral values of their homes.

The average loan-to-income ratio of these heavily indebted households was 6.4, or more than double the old banking “rule of thumb” that mortgage managers didn’t lend more than three times a household’s income “unless they were doctors”.

…Almost a third of the most highly geared borrowers were professionals with pre-tax incomes of more than $250,000. While they accounted for just 2 per cent of total households, they held 17 per cent of mortgage debt, and an average mortgage worth $1.6 million. Half of these borrowers had an investment property loan.

Other young households – dubbed “pretenders” because they had taken on large debts relative to their incomes – were also at risk. This group tended to have average incomes of $110,000 but an average mortgage that was an “eye-watering” 7.4 times larger at $840,000.

The last group, young families, were slightly better placed with average incomes of $80,000 and average mortgages of $420,000. … read more via hyperlink above ….

… Of necessity … lending multiples must mirror the median multiples of specific urban markets … refer …

2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey

http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf

… As illustrated above … house prices in normal markets do not exceed 3.0 times annual household income … requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times …

Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performance … Youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw

… Are we adequately aware of the risks involved in the grossly excessive multiple housing markets of Australia and New Zealand ?
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May 25, 2017 11:39am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Dr. Hugh? (Watch the length of that “text scarf.”)
  
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  May 25, 2017 12:15pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  John Mauldin argues the entire world is entering ‘the Great Reset,’ a period of enormous and unpredictable volatility in all asset classes & what he thinks investors should do about it | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/opinion/87867/john-mauldin-argues-entire-world-entering-great-reset-period-enormous-and
  
  By John Mauldin*
  
  This letter and next week’s will be two of the most important I’ve ever written. They will set out my philosophy about how we have to invest in the coming days and years. They are the result of my years of actually working with clients and money managers and thinking about the economic and particularly the macroeconomic world.
  
  Because of some of the developments I will be discussing, I think the future is likely to be extremely challenging for traditional portfolio allocation models. The letters also discuss my thinking on new developments in markets that allow us to more quickly adapt to our ever-shifting environment, even when we don’t know in advance what that environment will be. I hope you find the letters helpful.
  
  This letter will cover the philosophical underpinnings of my thinking. First, let me quickly review the investing challenges as I see them. First, there is the massive imbalance between the debts governments owe and the promises governments have made, sure to cause enormous market turmoil, the timing of which will be somewhat unpredictable. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  May 25, 2017 1:57pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  TORONTO HOUSING PANIC … (VIDEO) LEAD DEVELOPER GIVES IT TO THEM …
  
  Toronto Homeowners Are Suddenly in a Rush to Sell … Bloomberg
  h/t GF
  
  https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-24/toronto-bidding-wars-turn-to-homebuyers-remorse-as-market-slows
  
  Toronto’s hot housing market has entered a new phase: jittery.
  
  After a double whammy of government intervention and the near-collapse of Home Capital Group Inc., sellers are rushing to list their homes to avoid missing out on the recent price gains. The new dynamic has buyers rethinking purchases and sellers asking why they aren’t attracting the bidding wars their neighbors saw just a few weeks ago in Canada’s largest city. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …
  
  Garth Turners Greater Fool Blog … ‘MAYDAY ?’
  … h/t PH …
  
  http://www.greaterfool.ca/2017/05/01/mayday-2/
  
  Over six thousand people decided to sell their GTA properties in the last seven days. Of those 6,050 new listings roughly 1,500 were condos, which might suggest a whole mess of locals have decided to cash in their detached lottery ticket before this gig is up.
  
  No wonder. The angst and heebeejeebees this pathetic blog has been wallowing in for the last few weeks has finally made into what’s left of the MSM. Like this story in today’s Toronto Star:
  
  It is like a tap has been switched off. That’s how realtor Louise Sabino describes the housing market in the wake of the Liberal government’s provincial plan aimed at cooling Toronto’s scorching property prices.
  
  “I think it’s shocking that it did make the impact so fast,” the Royal LePage Signature Realty agent said.
  
  That’s the funny thing about bubbles. Everybody’s horny to get their hands on rising assets – until they’re not. It always happens fast, whatever the asset and no matter the trigger. Greed is a powerful emotion, but it wilts before the dominance of fear. If enough people fear houses will stop rising (prices don’t even need to decline), they’ll cease making the Herculean sacrifice required to buy one. And down she goes. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  About Garth Turner … Greater Fool Blog
  
  http://www.greaterfool.ca/about-garth-turner/
  
  Google News Search ‘Home Capital Canada’
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=home+capital+canada&tbm=nws&spf=731
  
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  May 26, 2017 3:02am
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May 25, 2017 12:07pm
Captain Mainwaring

Here we go again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again. and again……………………………………

Fuck off Hugh, you’re boring.
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May 25, 2017 12:12pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Brisbane landlords put the to sword – MacroBusiness Australia
  … behind paywall …
  
  https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/brisbane-landlords-put-sword/
  
  Via The Australian:
  
  Prominent agency owner Andrew Coronis, managing director of Coronis, which operates 23 offices across southeast Queensland, said tenants were moving more readily to get better deals, forcing existing unit stock and “investor-style” apartment owners to cut prices.
  
  “We’re seeing a 17 per cent drop in rents and it is happening right now,” Mr Coronis said. “It is between 10 (per cent) and 17 (per cent). Everybody is scrambling to lock tenants down.”
  
  Mr Coronis said gave the example of an older sixpack style unit block in suburban Chermside where previous rental income was about $420-$430 and would now attract between $350 and $360 a week. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  May 25, 2017 12:33pm
Manolo

The alt-Left wants Hannity out:
https://apnews.com/22f37ef0513e4fe4824b7b79d0dee09d/Hannity-says-liberal-fascists-after-sponsors;-1-is-leaving

Sean Hannity says a media watchdog is guilty of “liberal fascism” for targeting advertisers on his Fox News Channel show, as one company announced Wednesday that it would no longer hawk its wares there.
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May 25, 2017 12:16pm
- Inandout
  
  His name and shame just may work. Consumers have the last word, and we mustn’t forget Chicago is a sanctuary city.
  
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  May 25, 2017 1:49pm
kowtow

Just flicked through my print version of the ODT . The 2 photos accompanying the stories on the Islamic terror outrage in Manchester each show what are clearly Muslims , women in one case and men in the other ,lighting candles.
And while I have no doubt about the sincerity of those Muslims ( Ahmadiyya?)
I have severe reservations about the motivation of the MSM in their deliberate choice of those particular photos.

All is well you see , they don’t all hate us. How nice and reassuring , till the next time.
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May 25, 2017 12:25pm
Manolo

Leprosy returns to Italy:
http://voxnews.info/2017/05/24/genova-confermato-caso-di-lebbra-nigeriano-isolato/
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May 25, 2017 12:34pm
- kowtow
  
  Part of the multicultural dividend that is so enriching.
  
  Meanwhile at a migrant camp outside of Rome ,4 Nigerian lepers were playing poker…….
  …….one threw in his hand ……..
  
  …….and the other 3 laughed their heads off.
  
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  May 25, 2017 1:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, unlike bibical times the disease is readily treatable with antibiotics and steroids ,
  
  ,http://www.medicinenet.com/leprosy/page6.htm
  
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  May 25, 2017 2:33pm
  - Manolo
    
    Are you still in favour of doubling or trebling the number if immigrants to NZ, stephieboy?
    
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    May 25, 2017 2:36pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @stephieboy
    
    drug-resistant leprosy is appearing
    http://www.healthmap.org/site/diseasedaily/article/drug-resistant-leprosy-emerges-west-africa-9916
    
    http://journals.plos.org/plosntds/article?id=10.1371/journal.pntd.0005041
    
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    May 25, 2017 3:36pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    So why don’t people get treated in their own country, it is like the immunisation argument.
    
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    May 25, 2017 10:10pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @Manolo
  
  do you think some folks are going to start wondering how an “Indonesian” became so fluent in Italian?
  
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  May 25, 2017 4:06pm
Manolo

The family integrated well, didn’t they?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4539462/Jihadi-family-police-warnings-Manchester-bomber.html

The family of the Manchester suicide bomber have links to terror networks around the world, it has been revealed.

Salman Abedi killed 22 people and injured at least 119 more when he detonated a bomb on Monday night as children were piling out of Manchester Arena having watched Ariana Grande.

His father Ramadan and younger brother Hashem were in custody in Libya last night after being arrested by counter-terror police. Detectives said Hashem had links to ISIS and was planning to carry out a terror attack in Tripoli.
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May 25, 2017 12:51pm
- kowtow
  
  The elites of the permanent political class are the enemy of their peoples , they let them in and then they murder the innocent.
  
  Indeed they murder police and then they let them stay.
  
  Madness.
  
  “The prime suspect in the murder of police officer Yvonne Fletcher was given a letter from Tony Blair’s government reassuring him he was not wanted over the killing, his lawyer has told the Telegraph.”
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/17/yvonne-fletcher-murder-suspect-received-amnesty-letter/
  
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  May 25, 2017 1:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow, ” madness “? Yet another irony alert goes out .
    
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    May 25, 2017 2:34pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  I am glad that they could be arrested in Libya, I wonder if there will be difficulties getting them to England, whose jurisdiction is top? Does England have extradition treaties with Libya?
  I also do not think that rescue ships should be waiting for the flotilla of boats seeking asylum.
  
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  May 25, 2017 2:11pm
Keeping Stock

NBR is reporting that Earl Hagaman has passed away at the age of 92.

https://twitter.com/TheNBR/status/867543384713330688
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May 25, 2017 12:55pm
- RF
  
  KS. Does that mean Angry is off the hook ?
  
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  May 25, 2017 12:58pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, you can’t defame the dead. But does that only apply to what is said after they are dead? And wasn’t Mrs Hagaman one of the litigants? Maybe one of the KB lawyers (Graeme Edgeler or David Garrett) can clarify…
    
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    May 25, 2017 1:02pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Little was found not to have defamed Lani Hagaman. I guess now it becomes a matter for the lawyers acting for his estate as to whether the litigation in respect of the defamation of Mr Hagaman goes any further.
      
      Regardless, it’s not a good look for Little.
      
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      May 25, 2017 1:18pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Little’s punishment is that he has to go on being Little.
    
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    May 25, 2017 5:59pm
- stephen2d
  
  Waiting for ztev to tell us that he isn’t really dead and that is just to garner some sympathy.
  
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  May 25, 2017 1:09pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed stephen, given that ztev on more than one occasion implied that Hagaman wasn’t as ill as his wife testified he was.
    
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    May 25, 2017 1:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Giving evidence, his wife said he deserved the right to “die with dignity” and have his name cleared.
    
    “My husband has a matter of weeks to live and I’m sitting in Wellington fighting a battle I should not have to fight at all . . . and all it would have taken was an apology.”
    
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    May 25, 2017 2:29pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Condolences to his widow
  
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  May 25, 2017 2:15pm
starboard

“”Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go””

Why is he still here..convicted kiddy fiddler and sexual deviant from Afghanistan.
Why does the buck not stop at Michael Woodhouse ?
Woodhouse and National are incompetent.
Why does Woodhouse still have a job?
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May 25, 2017 1:23pm
- Kimbo
  
  Why does the buck not stop at Michael Woodhouse ?
  
  Westminster constitutional conventions, where ministers of the Crown do not interfere in operational matters. Asking it again and again does not make the answer change. But if it provides you with therapy.
  
  Usually I would not be so flippant, but as I have female relatives, including young ones who go to the pool in question from time to time, and I am bloody mad he was allowed to stay, I figure I probably have more skin in the game and reason for outrage than you…
  
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  May 25, 2017 1:34pm
  - starboard
    
    oh, excuse me bimbo..the floor is yours then.
    
    I keep bringing the subject of Akbari up because I don’t want it to go away. Somehow, someway answers have to come forward and as far as I am concerned, Woodhouse is the Minister and the buck/questions stop at him. I’m not interested in your angle or your ‘flippant’ comments or your smarmy mr know it all and everything posturing.
    
    ***Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go***
    
    Good day.
    
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    May 25, 2017 2:24pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I’m not interested in your angle or your ‘flippant’ comments or your smarmy mr know it all and everything posturing.
      
      Then don’t
      
      …post in a public forum,
      
      …in a thread entitled “General Debate”,
      
      ….where there is a “reply” option
      
      …Mr ignore yet more obvious facts.
      
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      May 25, 2017 3:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Wait for the budget.lol
  
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  May 25, 2017 1:51pm
Fletch

Melania tells the Pope that she is the first Catholic to live in the White House since the Kennedys.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4539392/Melania-Catholic-White-House-Kennedy.html
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May 25, 2017 2:07pm
- GoVege
  
  Well that explains why she takes such crap from Donald.
  
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  May 25, 2017 2:18pm
- Kimbo
  
  Jesuit takeover plot!!!
  
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  May 25, 2017 3:10pm
rightoverlabour

all i can say is FFS

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/05/24/migrant-raped-10-year-old-boy-sentence-drastically-reduced/

Dying to see how how resident terrorist apologist views this….
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May 25, 2017 3:03pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  well, it was his “first” conviction….
  
  ….there is no evidence that the 10 year-old didn’t give consent (I read that on another site)…..
  
  and as the Judge said…
  there is no evidence that his rape will have a long-term detrimental effect on the 10 yr old boy…..
  
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  May 25, 2017 3:55pm
  - KevOB
    
    One never forgets pervert kiddie chasers even after 67 years.
    
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    May 25, 2017 5:57pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  It is the court that should be apologising, children should not be collateral damage of immigration.
  
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  May 25, 2017 3:58pm
cha

Bye, Sean.

—@kimguilfoyle said on "The Five" she will fill in for @seanhannity. He's apparently going on vacation for 2 days. Unclear if preplanned.— Oliver Darcy (@oliverdarcy) May 25, 2017
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May 25, 2017 3:07pm
krazykiwi

The US gives China a small prod.
US warship challenges China’s claims in South China Sea

A US Navy warship sailed within 12 nautical miles of an artificial island built up by China in the South China Sea, the first such challenge to Beijing in the strategic waterway since US President Donald Trump took office.

The US patrol, the first of its kind since October, marked the latest attempt to counter what Washington sees as Beijing’s efforts to limit freedom of navigation in the strategic waters.
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Territorial waters are generally defined by UN convention as extending at most 12 nautical miles from a state’s coastline.

One US official said it was the first operation near a land feature that was included in a ruling last year against China by an international arbitration court in The Hague. The court invalidated China’s claim to sovereignty over large swathes of the South China Sea.
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May 25, 2017 3:37pm
- kowtow
  
  We have our heads stuck up our arses as far as China’s concerned. The MSM are obsessed with tittle tattle distractions over the White House and Russia while some really serious shit is happening in the South China Sea.
  
  “Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte said on Friday Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping had warned him there would be war if Manila tried to enforce an arbitration ruling and drill for oil in a disputed part of the South China Sea.”
  
  http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2095003/duterte-chinas-xi-threatened-war-if-philippines-drills
  
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  May 25, 2017 3:43pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Agree. China spent years helping create the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Seas (UNCLOS), which it then ratified in 1996. Arbitration in respect of the disputed area found “no legal basis for China to claim historic rights to resources within the sea areas”, which China has rejected. This is a hot-spot.
    
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    May 25, 2017 3:52pm
Rodney Randall

As I suspected, every single councillor with their tongues firmly up the Mayor Dalziel’s backside voted unanimously to to send her on the sister city junkets

http://councillive.ccc.govt.nz/video/6954

What a disgusting bunch of self serving arseholes, the worst being Clearwater, Cotter and Chen.

LOCAL GOVT IS A CANCER
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May 25, 2017 4:03pm
- Kimbo
  
  Ah, so you are a citizen of the People’s Republic of Canterbury, and a resident of Christchurch? It all begins to make sense. Sorry I have not taken into account your disabilities during our brief, but ill-tempered interactions…
  
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  May 25, 2017 4:05pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Ah yes the old sister city racket.
  They always tell us the benefits are enormous but can hardly ever show anything tangible apart from a few kids visiting in a cultural exchange and sometimes a miserable garden planted in an obscure area of a park which is only used for the local dogs to shit in.
  One the biggest scams in local government today.
  
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  May 25, 2017 4:16pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Correct. It is a sick joke.
    
    It is unbelievable the discconect inside local government chambers aournd this country.
    
    These chumps are pulling north of 100k.
    
    They should be on stipends for their part time jobs.
    
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    May 25, 2017 4:30pm
thedavincimode

To hell with all this Budget bullshit.

The Mahia Peninsula has joined the space race!!
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May 25, 2017 4:39pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Can the rocket reach North Korea?
  
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  May 25, 2017 4:50pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Easily. Much better than the little sky rockets Kim has been playing with.
    
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    May 25, 2017 4:56pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      What should the NZ government put in the payload of such a rocket to go to North Korea?
      -Kiwifruit?
      -Pineapple lumps?
      – Sheep poo?
      
      What do you suggest?
      
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      May 25, 2017 5:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Gareth and some cats
        
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        May 25, 2017 5:40pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        That fat prick dotcrim.
        
        We could even aim it at the yanks; that would be one rocket they wouldn’t mind having aimed at them.
        
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        May 25, 2017 6:18pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Dot Com is too massive a payload.
        
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        May 25, 2017 7:30pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Damn! Moderation?? Moi???
      
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      May 25, 2017 6:24pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Ssshh!
    
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    May 25, 2017 5:11pm
- Swifty
  
  A most impressive feat.
  
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  May 25, 2017 5:25pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  You mean we have matched the technological prowess of USSR 60 years ago? Huzzah!!
  
  But seriously, well done Rocketlab, I might not be a fan of their electric pump (a peroxide gas generator turbopump like V2 used would be lighter, cheaper and higher performance) but even if it fails, they’ll get it right with a couple of tries. ad astra per aspera!
  
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  May 25, 2017 5:56pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Prime has just reported that there is no confirmation that the rocket made it to orbit.

I’ll let you know if it lands on Kaiti hill.
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May 25, 2017 5:39pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It didn’t reach orbit, according to TV one.
  
  Not fast enough!
  
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  May 25, 2017 6:14pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Fake news Maggy. We’re in space! (Well Hawke’s Bay is). Any plans for Poverty Bay to catch up?
    
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    May 25, 2017 6:20pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh great! Congrats….
      last time I’ll believe TV One or Stuff
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/92922533/rocket-lab-successfully-launches-first-test-rocket
      
      Funny that Peter Beck said it didn’t get into orbit.
      
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      May 25, 2017 6:29pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It didn’t get to orbit, but the company is calling it a success anyway.
        
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        May 25, 2017 6:32pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        milky, you just can’t help yourself can you.
        
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        May 25, 2017 6:33pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Perhaps Steven Joyce didn’t give them enough of our money.
        
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        May 25, 2017 6:43pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Any plans for Poverty Bay to catch up?
      
      I’m not at liberty to reveal details.
      https://www.historytoy.com/BBB/Autos/Murray/tretauto-4740.jpg
      
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      May 25, 2017 6:50pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2011, SIX60 and Don’t Forget Your Roots:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqnwqsJYyiU
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May 25, 2017 5:40pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/blogs/blog-on-the-tracks/6218614/Six60-Killing-music-since-2006

SIMON SWEETMAN

“Six60 has a song called Don’t Forget Your Roots – it doesn’t actually identify what these roots might be. One would assume that Barnaby Weir and Jack Johnson being remixed by a rope-headed pot-smoker with two turntables and a mixing desk is Six60’s ideas of Roots; their idea of going way back, maaan!

Six60 has a song called Rise Up 2.0. We’re told to “rise up” and inventively this is followed by the very idea that “there’s a revolution”. It’s just a shame it’s not a revolution against recycled riffs (it sounds like Billy Joel’s song The Stranger re-tooled to score The Fast And The Furious 6: NCEA Is Boss!) and that we’re not being asked to rise up and away from borrowed breakbeats (this is dumb’n’bass – no typo there; this is the kind of revolution that takes place when the girl that works at Supre leaves 15 minutes early so that her knucklehead boyfriend can pick her up and they can doof-doof-doof down to the beach to watch a Frisbee outwit their dog).”
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May 25, 2017 6:43pm
EAD

Don’t worry Britain – more “refugees” are on the way:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/21/rabbis-david-cameron-refugees-kindertransport

More than 100 rabbis have delivered a letter to David Cameron urging him to accelerate and expand proposals for the UK to take in refugees fleeing the civil war in Syria
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May 25, 2017 6:54pm
- Inandout
  
  A lot of water has gone under the bridge since 2015. Those turkeys wishing for an early Xmas….tsk tsk.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:57pm
Kea

Once again we are treated to a disgusting spectacle of fake outrage from the coalition of gutless cowards following a small bomb exploding in pommy land.

These same gutless wonders bombed Libya into ruin causing a major global human rights disaster and killing thousands of civilians. Libya did not attack any of them. It was an act of pure cowardice and violence and the UK was right there doing it.

The dirty filthy cowards bomb people from the safety of high altitude planes and with remote controlled bombs. They don’t have even have the guts for suicide vests and car bombs.

Same deal in Egypt, Syria, Iraq… Last year the USA alone dropped more than 26,000 bombs on Muslim countries. Not one of which has attacked the USA. The UK is part of this. Yet listen to them scream when a few people are hurt back home.
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May 25, 2017 6:56pm
- Reid
  
  Most people are well aware of the 1953 coup that deposed President Mosadegh, the democratically elected leader of Iran and know that it was carried out by the CIA and MI6 in order to retain control of Iran’s oil wealth as Mosadegh had attempted to nationalise Iran’s oil industry so the profits were not skimmed off overseas but instead, benefited the people of Iran.
  
  However, few outside Iran are aware that Britain’s interference in the nation’s politics in order to control the oil wealth for their own benefit dates back a full half a century earlier than the ousting of Mosadegh.
  
  The same motivations that drove Britain’s desire for Iranian oil over a century still exist today – to make profits from it’s extraction and sale and to exert control over a country that is strategically placed between Russia and India; in the 19th century they called it ‘The Great Game’ – a struggle between Russia and the British Empire for control of the nations that fell between their empires.
  
  Iran and Afghanistan were the key nations in this ‘Great Game’ and remain to this day, embattled nations due to their unfortunate position and possession of vast wealth in natural resources.
  
  By learning more about the history of the imperialist attempts to control and steal from these nations perhaps we can better understand the current events in and around these nations.
  
  Hence of course the propaganda swallowed whole by the idiot sheeple that Iran is the bad guy and Saudi Arabia, the nation which supplied the terrorists for 911 and whose national religion is a mirror image of ISIS, is apparently, as the propaganda to the idiot sheeple goes, such a good guy they deserve $0.6 trillion worth of weapons so they can “eliminate terrorism.”
  
  Aren’t sheeple just the biggest most enormous dumbfucks in the entire history of the universe.
  
  http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/24/britains-long-history-of-interference-in-iran/
  
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  May 25, 2017 7:08pm
  - Kea
    
    Yes Reid the sheeple are alarmingly moronic.
    
    You would think in this day and age most people would be immune to war propaganda that dehumanises and villainises certain groups before they are murdered en masse .
    
    But sadly we have learnt nothing. Most of the pro Zionist/anti Muslim retards on here would have been the first to march the Jews to the waiting trains in 1940’s Germany. It is only an accident of birth that denied them the opportunity.
    
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    May 25, 2017 7:22pm
    - Reid
      
      They’ve got no excuse Kea. Firstly they have lessons from recent history in the way the German people were fooled, secondly they have the interweb, where everything is available, to an open mind.
      
      But the idiots don’t use history, the interweb nor an open mind when they’re analysing material which constitute their “worldview.”
      
      Hence history will repeat and is. As we type.
      
      And the sheeple just bleat, like the power dumbfucks they actually truly are.
      
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      May 25, 2017 7:31pm
      - Kea
        
        Sheeple are unconcerned with truth. They repeat what they are told in order to be accepted by others. For the same reason they pour hate on some groups and prefer others. Its all about being accepted into their preferred group.
        
        Don’t be sucked into thinking they are at all concerned about truth, morality, or the welfare of others.
        
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        May 25, 2017 7:48pm
- EAD
  
  @ Kea,
  
  whilst in general I support your statement above, the good people of Britain are not the one to point the finger at, it’s the controlled politicians who are to blame – both for the destruction of all of Israel’s enemies in the Middle East and for the importation of the 3rd world savages – both actions against the will of the British People.
  
  The question then becomes why are both main British Parties acting against the will of the people they’re meant to serve – it almost appears as if they are controlled by a foreign element….
  
  Doesn’t matter if it’s the Conservative Party in charge:
  http://www.timesofisrael.com/surprise-new-uk-trade-minister-is-committed-jew-thinks-israels-amazing/
  
  There are so many Jews at the top of Britain’s Conservative party, Prime Minister David Cameron once quipped, that it should be known as the Torah party rather than the Tory party.
  
  Or the Labour Party in charge:
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3532042/Ignorant-Godless-Hateful-Corbyn-s-contempt-Jews-disgrace-withering-attack-Labour-leader-donor-backed-party-400-000-2015-Election.html
  
  In the run-up to the last May’s General Election, the Jewish community donated almost one-third of the £9.7 million that Labour received from private donors – and that despite recoiling from Labour’s parliamentary vote to recognise Palestine.
  
  When you think about this, this is shocking – British Jews who make up less than 0.5% or the British population are pretty much running the Tory Party while they raised a third of the funds for Labour’s campaign (not even including the Judeo-bolshevik Unions) and this occurred at the time Jews were institutionally separating from the politics of Labour’s PM candidate, Ed Miliband.
  
  How did it come to be that the British became a Zionist occupied government you may ask?
  
  Read more here:
  https://katana17.wordpress.com/2015/06/11/how-jewry-turned-england-into-a-plutocratic-state-part-1/
  
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  May 25, 2017 7:33pm
  - Kea
    
    EAD oh we agree.
    
    The poor buggers who copped it were not directly to blame. However the time to fight is when their govt gets involved in these wars overseas.
    
    The same deal with the Muslim countries. Most of the victims of the – coalition of cowards – are innocent of any crime against their tormentors.
    
    The best thing we can do is make it clear to our govt we want no part in these religious wars.
    
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    May 25, 2017 7:41pm
Viking2

Some thought provoking sums for this evening.

Browsing Adam Spencer’ latest book, World of Numbers – which is sort of mathematical quirks and concepts, explained by a geek who can also write bloody well. The one that most stunned me is this. Spencer says that if you truly shuffle a deck of cards, properly, you will have in your hands one of the 52 x 51 x 50 x … x 3 x 2 x 1 =8065817517094387857166063685640376697528950544088327782 4000000000000 different ways you can shuffle a deck. A big number, I know. But what fascinates me is his contention that, “you can be assured that the order of cards you hold in your hands, has never happened before in the history of the universe … and will NEVER happen again! If a billion people, shuffled a billion decks of cards every day for a billion years they would not scrape the surface of the total number of ways a deck can be arranged.” Try adamspencer.com.au for the book
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/enough-already-of-tony-abbott-20151211-gll9j3.html

https://croakingcassandra.com/2017/05/25/some-reserve-bank-forecast-surprises/#comments
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May 25, 2017 6:57pm
- mikenmild
  
  Except for when you first take the pack of cards out of the box?
  
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  May 25, 2017 7:05pm
stigie

Not much happening tonight on GD, might go back and watch Angry Andrew’s 2017 budget speech.//
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May 25, 2017 7:26pm
- Kea
  
  Poor tragic Andy can see the writing on the wall. The budget will secure another win for National and next time around the Mule Toothed Woman would have rolled him.
  
  He will never be in power. This is doubly troubling for him as he was counting on the extra cash to comply with various court orders, resulting from him running his mouth off about our former dear leader and his friends .
  
  Sucks to be him. But at least NZ men won’t be guilty of rape until they can prove they aren’t, which is a Labour policy plank.
  
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  May 25, 2017 7:31pm
cha

Fat fuck’s been caught out in his latest moment of truth scam.

Hannity had invited Dotcom to appear on his show for what he said on Twitter would be a “#GameChanger” interview. The implication: that Dotcom would finally offer evidence of his claim that Rich had sent internal DNC documents to WikiLeaks before his death.

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The latest revelation — that someone may have been trying to hack into Rich’s email — offered fresh evidence that the conspiracy theory is false. The family worried that Dotcom, or someone eager to prove him right, may have been willing to create a fake archive of emails from Rich, or crack a password to see whether Rich had passed on documents with a Mega account.

“It looks like someone set up a fake Gmail account, then used that Gmail account to create the Mega account,” said James Lewis, a cybersecurity expert and a senior vice president at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. “This part is pretty standard. Mega then checks with Gmail to see if the account exists, which is Mega’s somewhat cheesy way of authenticating identity. You then get to set up the Mega account. It’s a system designed to enable pseudonyms and fake identities.”

Mega.nz, a data security company that Dotcom founded, did not respond to a request for comment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/the-life-and-death-of-the-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory/2017/05/23/aba640c4-3ff3-11e7-adba-394ee67a7582_story.html
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May 25, 2017 7:37pm
Reid

Good rundown on Comey. Sheeple won’t get it, Kea and EAD, you two will.

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2017/05/comey-busted-how-trump-cut-off-the-snakes-head-2911810.html?currentSplittedPage=0

BTW, he’s heavily involved in Seth Rich too.

See Stuff’s reprint of the WaPo conspiwacy theowy? Fuck they’re morons. Bet they don’t apologise when they’re proven profoundly wrong on all counts.
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May 25, 2017 7:39pm
- Ross12
  
  Very good Reid. It explains why Podesta and a few others are squealing like “stuck pigs”.
  
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  May 25, 2017 7:56pm
- mikenmild
  
  You mean this?
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/92958124/the-life-and-death-of-the-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory
  One of the entertaining things about you conspiracy theorists is that you will never accept any refutation of your loony ideas. So the idea of your ilk ‘proving’ the Washington Post is wrong is laughable.
  
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  May 25, 2017 8:01pm
  - Reid
    
    Sadly for you mm that link was nothing to do with the WaPo article, I just making a side comment that people who have a clue will pick up on and look into accordingly, if they wish to.
    
    The way you morons who don’t have a clue proclaim a link is completely and utterly false without you having ever read it is laughable. Not to mention typical.
    
    Bit like kids closing their eyes and pretending something they don’t like isn’t in front of them. In fact, it’s exactly like that.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:05pm
    - mikenmild
      
      So it’s a different article that will be proved wrong? Please point out which one so that we can keep track of another of your ludicrous predictions.
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:13pm
  - Kea
    
    The Washington Post is a discredited extremist anti Trump propaganda outlet and nothing more.
    
    No intelligent and decent person believes a word of what they write.
    
    Sort your sad pathetic head out milky.
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:07pm
    - EAD
      
      (((Washington Post))) edited by (((Martin Baron)))
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:11pm
      - Reid
        
        Owned by (((Jeff Bezos))), who just happened to land a $600m contract from the CIA just before he bought it.
        
        But that means nothing, nothing at all, to the idiot sheeple, does it.
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:19pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Chinese company buying up Ansell condoms
http://www.smh.com.au/business/ansell-sells-condom-division-to-chinese-consortium-for-800-million-20170524-gwcm5s.html
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May 25, 2017 7:41pm
- Kea
  
  Shit Maggy I hope they are not Jewish Chinese or something !
  
  sieg heil 🙂
  
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  May 25, 2017 7:50pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Kea
    
    There may be a problem with sizing, and I do hope the strength quality control is a bit better than their steel.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/80635517/chinese-steel-fails-strength-test
    
    هل تأتين هنا غالبا؟
    
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    May 25, 2017 8:05pm
    - Kea
      
      Yankee imperialist lies to attack the honour of the glorious peoples republic.
      
      I pop in from time to time 🙂
      
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      May 25, 2017 8:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Dear Kea,
        
        last night Mikenmild told us that new research strongly indicated Atheists are more intelligent than the religious…
        oh goody, I thought,
        but then I checked his references and discovered the research was based around a theory promulgated by the racist pseudopsychobabbler Kanazawa
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/may/18/satoshi-kanazawa-black-women-psychology-today
        
        Now Kanazawa believes the most intelligent folks are
        childless, homosexual, leftist atheists.
        
        As I am fast approaching my Alzheimic decline, I think I might need a boost in my IQ…
        should I become a leftist or a lesbian?
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:22pm
      - Kea
        
        Maggy the best way to improve your IQ is to avoid reading anything milky writes 🙂
        
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        May 25, 2017 8:55pm
      - nasska
        
        I don’t mind lesbians actually. They’re still women who won’t sleep with me but at least it’s nothing personal
        
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        May 25, 2017 9:07pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m not intending them to sleep with me either.
        It’s their mind I’m after… not their body.
        I’d be a celibate lesbian.
        
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        May 25, 2017 9:17pm
wiseowl

Forget condoms.
466,000 ha of our once great country sold off to overseas interest last year.
appalling.
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May 25, 2017 8:57pm
- Kea
  
  Are you Mouldy ?
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:33pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Still 26,336,100 ha left.
  No reason to panic yet.
  And the 466,000 is still here. It’s not going anywhere. You can buy it if you stump up enough money.
  
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  May 25, 2017 9:42pm
Reid

What do the sheeple think of the report from the surgeon who treated Seth Rich who has said that his wounds were perfectly survivable based on the many gunshots said surgeon has previously treated, but that an hour or so after Rich was out of surgery and resting comfortably, the ICU was swarmed by DC cops who prevented the surgeon and other staff from accessing Rich. The surgeon said he knows that his going public will make him easily identifiable but he didn’t feel able to keep it quiet.

Do any of you sheeple believe that?

I’m not sure I do, we’ll just have to wait and see.

But it’s quite obvious isn’t it that you’d need to read that report for yourself in order to make up your mind, and most of you don’t appear to have the capacity to do that, even though it’s just a simple google search away.

Don’t expect the fake news MSM to publish it though, will you. Although I know that’s precisely what you’re waiting for, before you place any credibility in it.

Laughable, really.

With the whole world turning to shit in front of your very eyes on all sorts of levels in all kinds of countries and in many different areas, you sheeple are still, even now, waiting for the very people who’ve bought it all about, to tell you what’s really going on, and you refuse to believe anything else.

It’s as if none of you have any mind at all.
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May 25, 2017 9:09pm
Manolo

Will the leaks ever end?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-told-in-brussels-that-west-should-focus-on-values-not-only-interests/2017/05/25/7aa1865c-40cd-11e7-9869-bac8b446820a_story.html?utm_term=.009416b53512

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4541946/Trump-vows-bottom-Manchester-bomb-leak.html
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"... a broader, decade-long 'crank realignment' in American politics."
Not PC
Fast-track Approvals Bill passes but Te P?ti M?ori threatens applicants
Point of Order
2024 OIA stats
No Right Turn
SHALLOW THINKING
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
Jacinda’s “Act” of kindness has increased abortions 23%
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
About Syria.
Kiwipolitico
Supreme Court Activism
NZCPR
Orr on Q&A – Part II
Croaking Cassandra
United Rugby Championship Predictions for Week 8
Stats Chat
Misuse of land use planning
Offsetting Behaviour
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker