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krazykiwi

RIP Sir Roger Moore, who gave rise to the expression “Bang, bang. Kiss, kiss.”. He has passed way, aged 89.

To quote successive bond villains, “Good-bye. Mr Bond” (strokes white fluffy cat)
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May 24, 2017 8:56am
- Kimbo
  
  Not the best Bond, but one for his time, and real pro, who seems to have been liked by everyone in the business. And even though he was a tax exile in the era of horrendously high tax rates in the UK in the 1970s, he was not a selfish man as he did lots of great work for Unicef. I think his friend, Audrey Hepburn convinced him.
  
  And he didn’t take himself or the role too seriously, which was the right setting for Bond in the 1970s. Plus The Spy Who Loved Me (1977) rates as one of the all-time best in the franchise. Iconic scene – Bond in the opening sequence fleeing from Soviet agents skiing off a precipice and plunging to certain doom – until his parachute with Union Jack emblazoned opens.
  
  Octopussy (1983) doesn’t rate high among aficionados in the “Bond canon”, nonetheless as it was the first movie that introduced me to the franchise, so it’s the one I remember and like most.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:09am
- Kimbo
  
  Oh, yes, and my favourite Roger Moore line (stuff like “Keeping the British end up, sir” in The Spy Who Loved Me, or Q’s “He’s attempting re-entry” (Moonraker) was a bit too Benny Hill for a suave fellow like Bond, IMHO) was from View to a Kill:
  
  Jenny Flex: Welcome, sir. I’m Jenny Flex.
  
  James Bond: Of course you are.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Bond: “Miss Anders! I didn’t recognize you with your clothes on.”
    — The Man with the Golden Gun
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:42am
William of Ockham

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http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-saudi-arabia-muslim-speech-a7747856.html
Robert Fisk
So after inventing “fake news”, America’s crazed President on Sunday gave the world’s Muslims a fake speech.
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The fawning leaders of the Muslim world, needless to say, clapped away when the mad president of America had finished speaking…
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May 24, 2017 8:58am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Late start team but I am confident we can have this disappear in 40
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:01am
- Ross12
  
  WoO
  Your post links the Independent , the same news outlet that tweets out this concerning the attack :
  
  “There’s only one way Britain should respond to attacks such as Manchester. That is by carrying on exactly as before ”
  
  You are the poster on KB who is very fond of the word “denier”.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:44am
Paulus Gnome

Today’s letter brought to you by Sicko Street is the letter M:

o Manchester
o Manchester Arena
o murder
o mass murder
o mass murderer
o migrant (Lybian refugee parents)
o mayhem
o madrassa
o mosque
o mullah
o monsters
o mourning

The only M word I have not heard in the Media so far this morning, is MUSLIM.

During ‘the troubles’, were the words catholic and protestant not mentioned to differentiate which group was committing an atrocity de jour in the name of their belief?

Today’s number is the number 8; the age of Saffie Rose Roussos as the youngest murder victim of a mass murdering, mayhem causing, mosque attending, madrassa educated, mullah brainwashed, migrant bred arsehole mulsim at Manchester Arena in Manchester.
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May 24, 2017 8:59am
- Huevon
  
  Tomorrow’s letter is C, brought to you by Western governments.
  
  C for cowardly
  C for craven
  C for cucked
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:05am
- EAD
  
  Everything about it all is too predictable, and I am struggling to deeply feel anything at all about it because of this very predictability.
  
  http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/after-manchester-its-time-for-anger/19849#.WSSlc0bTXqA
  
  The coverage, the soundbites, the platitudes the same reaction of “shock” – the way that it is used to try and make people passive and “tolerant”, gets ever more harder to stand. It almost overshadows the event itself.
  
  Already, my British based friends and relatives on my social media are chirping about “not letting hate win” and “using this tragic event to build love and togetherness” – some even quoting Gandhi.
  
  I want to slap my friends and relatives around the face, to kick off, to insert my bitter cynicism and reality into their ridiculous narratives – but doing so would burn all my bridges, be largely futile, and simply serve to make me look like Mr Nasty who wants to steal kiddies sweets, going against “peace and love and thoughts”.
  
  There are none so blind as those who will not see – and you need to have your eyes at least part way open in order to have them further widened to what we know is going on and what is really at stake and what the remedies are. Shouting at these people we know is not very productive, it seems.
  
  Sadly, these people are in a coma. They cannot be woken up. If you’re out chiming up about “not letting this create hate” and “coming together, between religions and races”, there is no hope for you. You’re willing to tolerate the obliteration of your people and your country in ‘well meaning’ pretence of being virtuous.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:10am
  - starboard
    
    a round of kumbaya anyone ?
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:30am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Now, let’s be reasonable.
      The rate of first-cousin intermarriage in Libya is around 48% (Source: https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam) which might help explain the rage and lowered cognitive ability of this bomber (if interbreeding was a factor in his case).
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:58am
  - GoVege
    
    IMHO the British need to stop being so damned nice and get real.
    When I was over in Europe 3 months ago I saw plenty of armed soldiers everywhere.
    In Britain…nothing.
    Unfortunately Britain’s leaders have allowed countless Muslims into the country and this problem is not going to go away.
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:21am
  - Peter
    
    All this “peace, love and togetherness” is coming from scared people. People who are too scared to work the problem through to its logical conclusion.
    
    So they pretend it isn’t a problem.
    
    But it is.
    
    The dark beast will consume them if it isn’t confronted.
    
    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing”
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:52am
- stephieboy
  
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  Paulus Gnome , yet the killing of children in this gas attack hardly raises a murmer from you and others ,
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-39495806/children-killed-in-syria-chemical-attack
  
  And 68 children in this suicide attack ,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/16/sixty-eight-children-dead-suicide-bombing-syria
  
  Why ?
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:18am
  - waikatosinger
    
    People – civilians – die in war. And some die in nasty ways. We don’t like it but we can understand it. But blowing up a bunch of girls in cold blood in the middle of a peaceful city cannot be understood by any sane measure. It is sick and evil. It is the act of someone whose thinking has been twisted by a vile death cult.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:29am
    - stephieboy
      
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      waikatosinger , then 1.6 billion members of a ” vile death cult ” are caapble of this atrocity ?
      
      Those children killed in a civil war don’t count . ? Are some kind of collateral damage ?
      
      Appalling !
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:38am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Those children killed in a civil war don’t count .
        
        Yes, they do count.
        
        No-one here on KB has said that the deaths of Syrian children don’t matter. The war in Syria is an atrocity.
        
        Paulus Gnome , yet the killing of children in this gas attack hardly raises a murmer from you and others ,
        
        I’ve just checked through the archives here on KB…
        These atrocities you link to didn’t garner a murmur from you, either….. so why slam P.G. and every other KBer for something you also neglected to do?
        
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        May 24, 2017 9:54am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Because Maggie, in his vainglorious attempts at signalling his multicultural virtue and to besmirch others, he always fails to acknowledge the true nature of the atrocity and suggest any constructive solution to the issue.
        
        The best comment I have read on the Manchester bombing so far comes from Piers Morgan:
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534558/PIERS-MORGAN-refuse-believe-knew-ANYTHING.html
        
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        May 24, 2017 10:03am
    - starboard
      
      The PM added: “The spirit of Manchester and the spirit of Britain is far mightier than the sick plots of depraved terrorists.
      “That is why the terrorists will never win and we will prevail.”
      
      Umm..sorry but you are getting your arses kicked.
      It’s all fine and dandy to preach from the security of your bunker, but people are being murdered in the streets on a regular basis as you waffle shit.
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:39am
      - Longknives
        
        All the ‘I stand with Manchester’ and lighting of Candles etc on Facebook makes me puke as well. (These are usually the same people who are always sobbing about those ‘poor refugees’ and ‘what can we do to help?’etc)
        The Western World needs to grow some balls, actually get angry about this and freaking do something before more innocent children are ripped apart by nail bombs!
        
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        May 24, 2017 10:32am
      - Peter
        
        Indeed.
        
        The terrorists are winning. They just slaughtered your daughters, and they will do it again and again and again.
        
        Meanwhile, all we hear from leaders are trite empty slogans from some 1960s University dorm.
        
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        May 24, 2017 10:59am
      - Biscuit
        
        I call this ‘Disaster Porn’…
        
        Some undoubted tragedy happens – and it tends to be either some Islamic lone wolf dismembering himself or some disgruntled American running amok with some high-powered weaponry.
        
        And what happens?
        
        Loads of flowers, a candle-lit vigil, a Facebook website in memory of the victims, mucho ‘They’ll never beat us’ stuff from politicians … but two-thirds of sweet stuff all is done about the underlying problems..
        
        (Radical Islamism in the first instance, gun laws (or lack thereof) in the second…)
        
        So the same thing happens in (insert name of town) in a month or two, maybe more, later.
        
        When there’ll be, yep, loads of flowers, a candle-lit vigil, a Facebook website in memory of the victims, mucho ‘They’ll never beat us’ stuff from politicians…
        
        Repeat ad infinitim…
        
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        May 24, 2017 3:23pm
      - Peter
        
        “They’ll never beat us”
        
        …is a classic.
        
        They already are. They are killing your kids with ease. Call that winning?
        
        The impotent posturing is offensive.
        
        Morgan is right.
        
        People should get very f****ing angry.
        
        It is now up to “Peaceful Islam” to reform and flush out the darkness within its midst. Starting today.
        
        Hitchens: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sEcBzxoMB8
        
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        May 24, 2017 4:36pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Perhaps because the West doesn’t commit those crimes against other cultures or their own culture.
    Yes some of us in the West may have in the past committed bombings against our own, bloody partisanship, have we gassed our own?
    Yes Stephie it is very sad, but did I hear an outcry from the Syrian Government to out the perpetrators of such horrors and to out other plots, to identify the perpetrators cells, or do they say the same thing as our media do, do they call them lone wolves?
    Business as usual.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:31am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Rachael Membery , demonising and hating other Muslims for the Manchester atrocity and tragedy won’t change anything .
      
      All it gives you is a sense of holy than thou self righteousness and priggishness .
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:43am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Why not, perhaps if Muslims dislike the label of sameness, they can do something to disprove it by policing their own, if they do not approve of the actions committed in the name of Islam.
        In my opinion their being little outcry from Muslim leaders is tantamount to approval.
        Islam needs to put a muzzle on extremists if they do not wish to be considered complicit and that some are doing the work of many.
        
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        May 24, 2017 9:54am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Sort of like what you do to whites and Christians aye Steph?
        
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        May 24, 2017 10:27am
      - Lance
        
        @stephieboy
        The palestinians regularly celebrate, on the streets, when atrocities occur in the Western nations. Do you protest against such actions?
        
        Or is your comparative moral outrage a steaming pile of hypocrisy?
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:07am
    - MCos
      
      ‘Have we gassed our own?’
      If you consider ‘we’ to be western civilization I think you know the answer.
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:06am
  - calendar girl
    
    This 3rd comment today by stephieboy on this thread (chronologically) attracted a large number of down-ticks – 53 versus 1 up-tick. So I thought it might be of interest to see how his comments fared over the remainder of what appears to have been an approximate 3-hour shift.
    
    By my calculations (e&oe), stephie made 21 comments prior to noon – on this particular thread only (I don’t have the patience to go through the other threads). The aggregate preferences accorded his comments were:
    Up-tick ↑ ………………… 5
    Down-ticks ↓ ……….. 715
    
    A highly-productive morning from the stephie team.
    
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    May 24, 2017 5:19pm
- Jack5
  
  Just as the multiculturists and ultra-liberals and local Muslims begin their counter-attack to loosen the country’s borders, came the Manchester attack. Must be frustrating for these NZ locals.
  
  Mr Multiculturism – Massey sociology lecturer Paul Spoonley – is again banging the drum for immigration.
  
  On Stuff Spoonley seems to be throwing in a fear factor saying of debate in the run-up to the general election: “This means an honest discussion about whether we really want the “end of growth” in some regions.”
  
  What sort of growth is heavy immigration giving NZ, Mr Spoonley? GDP per capita is almost stagnant. The regions are being choked by a high currency exchange rate that favours the big urban centres, especially Auckland, a net consumer of the country’s export wealth. The exchange rate is pushed up in part by the capital inflows, first coming with migrants, and second, asset sales and private-sector borrowing overseas (chiefly by banks) to feed the Auckland property bubble, caused largely by immigration.
  
  As well as his day job in Palmerston North with Massey University, Spoonley has been a “visiting researcher at the Max Planck Institute for the Study of Religious and Ethnic Diversity in Gottingen, Germany”.
  
  This institute is a leader in multiculturism theory, and is right up at the front, along with multiculturism zealots like Will Kymlicka, of Canada. The purpose of the institute is listed as “research of religion and anthropology in contemporary and historical perspectives.”
  
  Social “science” doesn’t get much more “social” than that.
  
  Meanwhile Kymlicka has progressed from multiculturism to animal rights.
  
  Multiculturists and those who would tolerate a higher Muslim population in NZ will be feeding into the immigration discussion as the election nears. We need to keep in mind the background of some of those who will be pushing the multiculturism-diversity-”let ’em in” barrow.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/92804439/election-2017-more-to-immigration-than-just-saying-yes-or-no-to-foreigners
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:18am
  - Jack5
    
    Rachel Smalley puts her foot in the slop bucket again. Smalley, famed for her live-microphone comment about NZ women being a bunch of lardo’s, has spoken out on the terrorists behind the Manchester pop-concert bombing.
    
    It wasn’t an act of cowardice she says. Here’s Smalley’s view:
    
    ” I don’t believe that’s an act of cowardice. It’s an utterly terrifying and fearless act of self-destruction fuelled by a desire to kill as many as possible, and all in the name of spreading this warped, brutal and extremist ideology.
    It is many things, but it is not an act of cowardice.”
    
    I prefer this, from Wikipedia: “Cowardice is a trait wherein fear and excessive self-concern override doing or saying what is right, good, and of help to others or oneself in a time of need—it is the opposite of courage.”
    
    Take a fucked-in-the-head suicide bomber bedazzled by a perpetual life in Paradise attended by scores of his personal, renewable virgins. Then he blows up teenagers and chidlren to get him through the Muslim equivalent of the pearly gates. Yep, he’s about a big as coward as it’s possible to be.
    
    Smalley has in the past championed opening the doors of the West to the invasion from the Middle East and Africa. Now she seems almost to be attributing “courage” to loathsome suicide bombers.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11862002
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:19am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      For a Muslim man who is concerned about getting into Paradise, being a martyr to gain a free entry must be very appealing.
      It really appeals to young, naive males aged 18-40 who lack life experience, empathy and cognitive ability.
      This how-to-avoid-hell phrase ought to be avoided in Islamic teachings.
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:29am
- Viking2
  
  As refugees continue pouring into Michigan, there have been several high-profile criminal and anti-American incidents involving Muslims in the state. Cases of assault, female genital mutilation, and anti-free speech rhetoric have hit the pages of Michigan newspapers.
  
  With all of this going on, liberals are working hard to elect the country’s first Muslim governor.
  
  Liberals can’t get enough of Islamicizing America for all the benefits it bestows on us.
  
  Like in Troy Michigan where a woman was having trouble at a gas station with the gas pump card reader. She walked into the station to talk to the attended and according to the woman, the attendant Abdelnasser Mohamed grabbed her crotch and asked her for sexual favors in exchange for his assistance.
  
  http://defiantamerica.com/muslim-violence-increases-michigan-aims-islamic-governorship/
  
  More of the same.
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:43pm
  - stephieboy
    
    V2, could we have something more independent to corroborate what obviously appears to be an alt right White supremacist Muslim hating rag
    
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    May 24, 2017 6:56pm
Stars And Stripes

Salman Abedi named as the Manchester suicide bomber – what we know about him
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11861950
“The suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured dozens more at the Manchester Arena has been named as 22-year-old Salman Abedi.
Born in Manchester in 1994, the second youngest of four children, his parents were Libyan refugees who came to the UK to escape the Gaddafi regime”.

British born Muslim.
What a surprise.
Meanwhile the time bomb keeps ticking in NZ.
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May 24, 2017 9:01am
- Scott
  
  Yes isn’t it wonderful that Britain is kind to Libyan refugees and allows them to come into the country. In return their son goes to hate filled mosques, becomes radicalised and blows up as many British people as he can.
  
  The lesson for New Zealand I believe is that sadly we should not take any more Muslim refugees. Also if the situation has changed back in their home countries then send the Muslim refugees we already have back.
  
  I am sad to say this, but I believe the risk is too great and if we continue to allow Muslims and Muslim refugees into our country then we are importing a literal bomb in 20 to 25 years time.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:13am
  - MCos
    
    You say the bomber went to ‘hate filled mosques’. Not according to this article
    https://www.google.co.nz/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/manchester-arena-attacker-named-salman-abedi-suicide-attack-ariana-grande
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:52am
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      Mosques, being places for the promulgation of Quranic dogma are all hate filled, with possible exception of the Ahmadi sect.
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:32am
      - stephieboy
        
        UrbanNeocolonialist ,
        
        What kind of Mosques do Kurd, Shia Militias and Iraqi army presently fighting ISIS at Mosul attend ?
        
        We’ll add Syrian army fighters and Shia militias fighting the same in Syria
        
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        May 24, 2017 7:03pm
- Ross12
  
  The UK authorities ( and probably others around the world) have a problem from the point of view of how to tighten their “rules” about who is a threat without going overboard on the threat risk.
  
  Again this guy was known to authorities but “not seen as a threat”
  
  http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/manchester-suicide-attacker-was-known-to-security-services-but-not-thought-to-pose-immediate-threat-a3546401.html
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:20am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Unfortunately trying to accurately access the threat level of a person would seem to have about the same level of success as spinning a roulette wheel as seen by the amount of mental patients in NZ who are seen as low risk then end up butchering someone.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:33am
Huevon

Let’s be honest. The West is losing. Western governments are unable to prevent Islamic extremists from completing their objectives. That is the very definition of defeat.
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May 24, 2017 9:01am
- stephieboy
  
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  Huevon, bollux ! The West is not losing rather it is not giving into your kind of bigotry and hate.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:09am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    and so the trolling and muslim hugging begins for another day . . .
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:21am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Paulus Gnome , expressing a different point of view is here for another day .
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:25am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Unfortunately, about as palatable and as welcome as a turd or a Muslim in a swimming pool
        
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        May 24, 2017 9:31am
- Kimbo
  
  Let’s be honest. The West is losing
  
  I’m not trolling, but no. When your enemy resorts to terrorism using 22-year old losers, it is an admission of their weakness, not their strength. And considering the country that was in the firing line yesterday – The Brits have lived for centuries positioned just across the English Channel from a sometimes hostile Continent, and in the past 100 years have triumphed in two World Wars when at some points they seemed destined to lose. They also lived through a 20+ year terrorism campaign by the Provisional IRA. Don’t sell them short. They may shamble and stuff around at times, but when it counts they are made of sterner stuff than you think. They know the value of “Keep Calm and Carry on”. Good advice in blogland in the next few days. I’d suggest…
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:36am
  - Kleva Kiwi
    
    The difference is, that when the IRA instigated their vile campaign of bombing civilians in the name of their religion, the British called the kettle black.
    Now when another vile group does the same, not a peep about the religion that breeds these vile hate filed impotent cretins.
    Most Muslims are not terrorists, but most terrorists are Muslim. The rest just overwhelmingly support their actions.
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:00am
    - Kimbo
      
      Not so. It was not viewed as a “Catholic” problem either by the government nor, by the mainstream British population despite mutterings and occasional comments by a few in the streets or in pubs when Irish Catholics were encountered a the times of the bombings in England from the mid-1970s on. Neither were any restrictions placed on Catholics, much less Irish Catholics entering, working or living in the UK. Indeed, Irish Catholics from Northern Ireland were British.Same criteria applies now.
      
      Most Muslims are not terrorists,
      
      Yes…
      
      but most terrorists are Muslim.
      
      Yes again…
      
      The rest just overwhelmingly support their actions.
      
      I’m calling ‘bullshit’ on that one…
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:05am
      - Twinkletoes
        
        You are correct. It was a Republican problem and because of Irish history and the removal of the indigenous Irish Catholics of the north to the south in the ‘resettlement’ of Ulster , Republicans just happened to be Roman Catholic.
        
        The ‘troubles’ were never about religion – it was an attempt by the IRA to rejoin the two forcibly separated countries.
        
        As for Piers Morgan mentioning decent hardworking law abiding muslims – no one who follows the tenets of the Qur’an in this day and age can possibly be considered “decent’ or “law abiding” as far as I am concerned.
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:44am
      - Kimbo
        
        The ‘troubles’ were never about religion – it was an attempt by the IRA to rejoin the two forcibly separated countries.
        
        Hmm. Not sure I agree. Put it this way, as with jihadist terrorism, religion was not entirely absent.
        
        no one who follows the tenets of the Qur’an in this day and age can possibly be considered “decent’ or “law abiding” as far as I am concerned.
        
        In its entirety in the West? Agreed. But most people, in some way or other, live at some point in contradiction to aspects of their faith or ideology. Including the vast majority of Muslims in the West who accept that we live in a secular system, not a Caliphate.
        
        Belief, like the Catholic faith and/or sympathy for the Republican cause was not a crime, and neither should it have been. Neither is being a Muslim. Instead, it is the actions of particular individuals, including contemplating, espousing and plotting terrorism that are of interest to the state.
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:50am
      - Ed Snack
        
        No Kimbo, it was never about Catholicism per se. They weren’t terrorizing for their right to have a Latin mass or a right to visit the confessional. It was a political issue that used religious labels as markers.
        
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        May 24, 2017 12:07pm
      - kowtow
        
        twinkletoes
        
        The indigenous Catholics were not reomved from north to south . I think you are referring to the Plantation of Ulster. Catholic Lords certainly lost their lands (usually following a rebellion) but some pretty major ones saw the writing on the wall and jumped the fence , thus preserving their rights under the Crown ad even rising to the high office of prime minister .Terence O Neill.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O%27Neill_dynasty
        
        Funnily enough in the Irish Republican tradition Ulster Presbyterians are seen as important and early founders of Republicanism going back to 1798.
        
        I recommend Robert Kee’s Ireland A Television History , 13 parts , on youtube for a very fair lesson in what is a complex but interesting history.
        
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        May 24, 2017 12:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No Kimbo, it was never about Catholicism per se. They weren’t terrorizing for their right to have a Latin mass or a right to visit the confessional.
        
        But if you listened to the likes of Ian Paisley, that’s what was going to be forced on the Protestant community unless they resisted Republicanism or its antecedents!
        
        I accept the fact that Northern Ireland was primarily a tribal/political/economic feud that had its historic roots in religion. Nonetheless, as per the mention of Paisley, sectarian ideology continued to feed the conflict on both sides at times.
        
        Not exactly the same situation as with jihadist and/or ISIS-inspired terrorism, which is an attempt at conquest on a geo-political scale. And yes, the Islam of the Quran is as much a political ideology as it is a religion. Neither Catholicism nor Protestantism in the 1970s were that – as evidenced by the fact that outside Ireland, the two groups lived everywhere else in peace.
        
        Nonetheless, no, I stand by the assertion that religion was not absent from the Irish conflict. Is dishonest to assert otherwise, just as it is dishonest to say thay the bombing yesterday in Manchester “had nothing to do with Islam”.
        
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        May 24, 2017 12:15pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        A man in Northern Island drives into a checkpoint. Road blocked – men in black balaclavas – guns. A masked man taps on the window. The driver winds it down. “Are you Protestant or Catholic”. “Neither I’m an atheist.” … Long thought filled silence … “So are you a Protestant Atheist or a Catholic Atheist”.
        
        That about sums it up really.
        
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        May 25, 2017 12:00am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    They are scaring and kowing the public to follow their dictates through fear of violence. That is winning.
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:35am
    - Kimbo
      
      No, as the IRA did in the early 1970s, ISIS and the loser-idiots who try and attach themselves to the franchise by blowing themselves up, are wanting the British government to launch a blanket crack-down on the wider community group in which the terrorists operate, in the hope of radicalising them and provoking a form of civil war. And unlike then, the Brits have learned not to give the terrorists what they want.
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:42am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Surely so is electing a Muslim Mayor of London, did English people think that tht was a way to preserve English values or are there so many immigrants eligible to vote that it didn’t matter? That to me is surrender.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:39am
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    Rachel Membury , Surrender ? Rubbish ! You think the will of the voter doesn’t count ?
    
    Waht has the Mayor of London has done wrong other than being a Muslim ?
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:48am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Not if the majority of voters are imports who have displaced the native Brit and then voted in one of their own.
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:58am
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        Racheal Membury , have ever bothered to do an analysis of the London Mayoral vote ?
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/06/london-mayoral-election-results-what-time-will-the-votes-be-coun/
        
        Of course not !
        
        Clown !
        
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        May 24, 2017 10:02am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Well he did legally represent know on rapist and terrorist in jail I believe
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:29am
    - Twinkletoes
      
      Considering that there are now less than 50% indigenous Englanders now living in London Kahn was always going to win.
      
      Look at the local councils – Tower Hamlets is virtually 100% Bangladeshi muslim with their own infamous muslim mayor – London is lost by demographics much the same as some of the northern England towns and those who control them.
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:51am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Mayoral election had small voter turnout, but majority of London’s muslim minority voted for their Muslim mayor, so they won.
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:37am
  - GoVege
    
    I hear he’s about as mild a Muslim as it’s possible to be….
    
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    May 24, 2017 4:42pm
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      I’ll believe that when he publicly condemns ISIL.
      
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      May 24, 2017 4:51pm
- rangitoto
  
  They are able but not willing.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:22am
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Standing strong, love conquers hate, candlelight vigils – doesn’t seem to be working! Not sure what will but the lefts tolerance and understanding strategy is failing and more innocent people are being murdered.
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- stephieboy
  
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  PJ 39 , outline your solutions other than maybe banning a world wide religion and now that the President has fallen off the radar ?
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:11am
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    You are a moron. If I thought I had the answers I would have said so. I’m pretty sure you don’t actually believe the dribble you write and just enjoy winding people up. Either that or you are simply a clown! Either way this is my first and only response to you.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:18am
- mandk
  
  If you want to see the left’s reaction to the Manchester bombing, check out The Standard.
  
  You’ll be appalled.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:31am
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    Indeed. But credit where credit is due, Psycho Milt fisked the morons who suggested it might have been a false flag operation.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:55am
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      OK, thanks for the heads-up. I’ll await EAD’s contribution later today that it was a Mossad job…/sarc
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:58am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Aided by Trump of course
        
        Anyone been brave enough to venture to the Stranded for the latest in fucked up thinking?
        
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        May 24, 2017 10:08am
      - GazzaW
        
        I can’t face the prospect Paulus. You have obviously taken one for the team so what is the Standard disseminating?
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:01am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Psycho Milt did well, but he was up against some absolute whack-jobs yesterday and today.
      
      Have a read of this, if you dare:
      
      https://thestandard.org.nz/oh-manchester/
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:55am
      - 4077th
        
        FFS, now I need some eyewash and I have another bell I cannot unring. Interesting “Bill” seems more interested in eating his own rather than offing the deniers. Stupid me, trying to widen my horizons and all I achieved was to further cement my conservative views.
        
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        May 24, 2017 4:01pm
- stephieboy
  
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  PJ39 , so you believe hate works ? Then the suicide bomber has succeeded
  
  Those at the candlelight vigils are all lefties , huh ?
  
  Moron !
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:50am
- cmm
  
  Everyone except the lefties agree that the West and Islam are incompatible. That include the Muslims.
  
  Christians, Jews, Hindu, Sikhs and Buddhists can live alongside each other with a high degree of tolerance but it all turns to shit when the Islam is added to the mix.
  
  Sure, we can dredge through history and find conflict, but I’m talking right now: 2017.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:06am
Captain Mainwaring

Stupidboy will be along shortly to tell us that banging your head on the floor five times a day does not make you go mad.
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May 24, 2017 9:08am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh, the mad bastard is already here and has downticked me.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:16am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Hugh is lurking and will be anticipating a response Capt’n, I am confident that you will not disappoint so do not waste too much energy on the troll
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:24am
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    It must be very tedious for him having to log in with at least 3 usernames so he can downtick you even more.
    
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    May 24, 2017 4:03pm
Kiwiladdy

Apparently Christians were killing lots of people back in the 1000s. This is apparently a way to excuse the Muslims blowing up children in 2017.

I always feel the need to accept the nasty truths of these sort of events before passing judgement. The fact is mothers and daughters who were lucky enough to go home last night would have also had to wash literal human flesh out of their hair.

An ideology that promotes this is apparently beyond criticism.

If Islam just magically disappeared tomorrow, could you honestly say the world wasn’t a better place?
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May 24, 2017 9:18am
- holysheet
  
  Yes yes yes 1,000,000,000 times yes
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:27am
  - RalphT
    
    In fact 1.6 billion times yes.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:52am
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kiwiladdy , who says the action of the Crusaders excuses the Manchester Arena attack. ?

Who says the ideology ( ISIS ) that promotes this is beyond criticism ?

Islam wont magically disappear so get use to it.
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May 24, 2017 9:23am
- starboard
  
  “Islam wont magically disappear ”
  
  But you can…
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:44am
  - RalphT
    
    What, and deprive us of our fun?
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:52am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      We are blessed here with more than one idiot, another will be along before you know it
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:47am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Drink driving wont magically disappear so get used to it!
  Sexual discrimination won’t magically disappear so get used to it!
  Smallpox won’t magically disappear so get used to it!
  Trump won’t magically disappear so get used to it!
  Domestic violence won’t magically disappear so get used to it!
  Etc etc
  
  Really! Of all the cataclysmically daft things you’ve said (and there has been a legion of them) this is probably the most revealing about your level of learning impairment.
  
  Things can be changed! That is one of the great truths of human existence!
  
  In NZ’s case it would be easy to minimise the chances of a Manchester happening here when the muslim kids being born to Syrian refugees right now are growing up:
  – firstly we need to accept that Islam is a problematic culture and not tolerate it (like we have ceased to tolerate drink-driving or ritualistic sacrifice of human beings for religious reasons)
  – secondly, we need to stop importing any muslims right now. There is no upside for NZ of their inclusion – and if there is only a 10% chance that they will introduce the terrorism that is common in Europe now how can we justify taking that risk when we don’t have to?
  – thirdly, we know the mosques are the problem. So we steamroll all existing mosques and prevent any new ones being build. We can be tolerant and supportive by subsidising relocation of any muslims who want to continue worshiping their primitive death cult.
  – fourthly muslim boys need an outlet for their violent tendencies, therefore it shall be compulsory for all muslim boys to be forced to join a rugby club and play at least 4 full seasons (that way we can get the social benefit of introducing them properly to NZ’s culture at the grass roots level and help them work through those explosive tendencies).
  
  But saying we have to continue to “accept that murdered, dismembered children is OK” because of “feelings” is unforgivable.
  
  And it is even more unforgivable to condone it by whining that nothing can be done about it.
  
  20 years time – this is our future if nothing is done now. Is that OK?
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:48am
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    DP , pure paranoid and hsyterical garbage !
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:52am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Unlike anything you post of course!
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:49am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      What a well constructed and intelligently reasoned refutation of my arguments!
      
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      May 24, 2017 12:58pm
- cmm
  
  “Islam wont magically disappear so get use to it.”
  
  Yup, let’s just teach our daughters how to play taharosh. Let’s just tell our homosexual sons to expect to swing from lamp posts.
  
  Fuck that for a bunch of bananas!
  
  It has cost a lot of blood, sweat and tears and millions of lives to move the West from the stone age to where it is today. That has been a brutal journey.
  
  Why would we want to go back to 600AD just to make 1.6billion misfits happy?
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:14am
  - GoVege
    
    Nice one, cmm.
    
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    May 24, 2017 11:03am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  You did on many occasions, drawing the crusades as the reason to why we have terrorism now.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:32am
  - cmm
    
    I have a relative that goes on about historic injustices done to the Scots by the English in the 1500s. She gets worked up about it as if it happened yesterday.
    
    But she’s a patient in a mental hospital.
    
    Rational people understand you’ve got to put the past behind you to make progress. The Crusades, WW1, WW2, etc etc – just don’t matter. All that matters is 2017 and the future.
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:50am
    - GoVege
      
      Sh*t!
      She sounds just like the Maori Party!
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:05am
    - kowtow
      
      Nicola Sturgeon’s been locked up?
      Best news I’ve heard in a long time.
      
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      May 24, 2017 12:14pm
- 4077th
  
  Once a year a whole bunch of them congregate in the same place. How about a bit of their own medicine? MOAB anyone?
  
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  May 24, 2017 4:06pm
holysheet

I notice not a sign of compassion from stoooopidboy for what his fellow muzzzie has done. Not a word of sorrow, just deflection as per normal. Fuck off you creep, find a shred of compassion and come back and say sorry for your religion and its fuckwits.
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May 24, 2017 9:25am
- Garbageman
  
  The stephistan trolling team are only upset that they cant somehow turn this tragedy into the usual anti Trump, anti west drivel although this post does highlight the limited vocabulary and intelligence when the stooped ones cant use their go to phrases like alt-right, Breitbart, infowars etc etc and expecting compassion from virtue signalling apologist fkwits well you have a damn sight more faith in the troll team than I ever will
  
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  May 24, 2017 11:31am
simpleton1

This gives a reasonable back ground about the South Libyan community in Manchester

Iman of Didsbury mosque, Saeed said he gave a strong sermon…after he gave a sermon criticising Isis and Ansar al-Sharia in Libya against terrorism and about the sanctity of life in 2015……. He said 2,000 members of the mosque were with him; a small number were not; and a few signed a petition criticising him. [who were they appealing to with that petition? the ulama?]
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/manchester-arena-attacker-named-salman-abedi-suicide-attack-ariana-grande

The polarising, really schisms in the islamic community in the Manchester Libyan community with their sincere beliefs in following Mohammad over flowed from killing each other to also killing and terrorizing kaffirs.

Was this from advice from the ulama (scholars) given to the petitioners? who seek to follow mohammad, the most perfect man as shown in all his sayings, deeds and actions, in the koran, (read chronologically and see the abrogation verses) hadith, sunnah and sira.

This is the source of the bigotry and hate, so even muslims can not agree between themselves.
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May 24, 2017 9:25am
- kowtow
  
  S1
  
  Quite right.
  
  Remember this from the Atlantic
  
  “The reality is that the Islamic State is Islamic. Very Islamic. Yes, it has attracted psychopaths and adventure seekers, drawn largely from the disaffected populations of the Middle East and Europe. But the religion preached by its most ardent followers derives from coherent and even learned interpretations of Islam.”
  
  https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/
  
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  May 24, 2017 12:19pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Kowtow , the Islamic ideology that drives those Kurd , Iraqi and Shia fighting to bring down ISIS at Mosul
    
    . Not forgetting Assad and his Syrian army in Syria ?
    
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    May 24, 2017 12:23pm
  - GoVege
    
    Fascinating article, kowtow.
    Thanks for sharing.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:01pm
stephieboy

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holysheet , and your callous disregard for the same ,

http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-middle-east-39495806/children-killed-in-syria-chemical-attack

Your litany only a dead Muslim is a good one ?
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May 24, 2017 9:26am
- Rich Prick
  
  Take your hand off it, just for one day.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:16am
- holysheet
  
  stooopidboy who gives a fuck if Muslims kill Muslims. Just don’t involve the rest of us in your war between sects. Are you sunni or shia?
  
  You said it all in your last sentence above.
  
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  May 24, 2017 11:11am
- KevinH
  
  Stephieboy, many of us in the West were appalled by the gas attacks on civilians in Aleppo, particularly the deaths of the children whose lives were so brutally extinquished.
  President Trump was also appalled and despite the protestations from countries embroiled in the Syrian conflict, President Trump authorised a retailitory strike on Syrian militia responsible for the gas attacks.
  Many of us in the West who are compassionate loving people abhor violence but in this instance were in agreement with President Trumps response.
  The war in Syria, a sectarian war between the Shia and Sunni is a tragedy for all concerned and for all people around the World who are witness to this pointless waste of human life.
  The West rightly or wrongly have intervenned in an attempt to halt the carnage and in doing so have made enemies of those we seek to aasist.
  If I may speak for the majority of people in the world, which includes followers of the Islamic faith, we want peace in our lives and the right to live without fear of persecution or death.
  We must all, Christians, Muslims, Jews and Buddhists, join hands to halt the violence, we can do it , we must do it.
  
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  May 24, 2017 11:54am
Odakyu-sen

What a difference between the responses of different communities in Manchester.
The Sihks (0.15% of the Machester population) open their temples to assist: Ref: http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/sikh-temples-in-manchester-open-their-doors-to-victims-of-the-ariana-grande-attack-6656239/

From the much larger Muslim community (5.1%): (sound of crickets chirping…)

Although the Herald reports a quote from a neighbor of the bomber, “A couple of months ago he [Salman] was chanting the first kalma [Islamic prayer] really loudly in the street. He was chanting in Arabic,” the news report just cannot bring itself to put the pieces together and state that this was an “Islamic terrorist attack.”

The best the Herald can do is say: a) this was terrorism and b) the bomber chanted Islamic prayer. Two facts, to be sure, but no attempt to put the pieces of the puzzle together.
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May 24, 2017 9:27am
- Scott
  
  Odakyu-sen– Yes we may never know what led this person to commit this terrible crime? It is so mysterious?
  
  But anyway the Manchester police have told us that we should go on as normal, that we should stick together and this is the best way to defeat terrorism. Also a candlelit vigil and some sad comments and some likes on Facebook and that’s all we can do.
  
  Of course we could arrest people, we could close down radical mosques, we could deport imams, we could stop importing Muslim refugees, we could stop importing any Muslims in general.
  
  We could close down schools that promote sharia law in Britain, we could impose our own values and insist that anyone that comes to Britain becomes British. We could do that?
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:38am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I wonder what the correlation is between: a) a normally clean-shaven Muslim man suddenly growing a beard and b) Islamic fanaticism?
    
    I propose a new initiative named “BOMB” (Beards On Male Brits) that monitors the beard display activity of young British males.
    Under this proposed initiative, any normally clean-shaven male aged between 18 and 40 who sudden grows an untrimmed beard will be red-flagged.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:49am
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      Odakyu sen,
      
      go and visit your Doctor.
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:00am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Squirrel!
        
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        May 24, 2017 10:01am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I propose a new initiative named “BOMB” (Beards On Male Brits) that monitors the beard display activity of young British males.
      
      Na, this won’t work for Sikh men.
      Their beards and turbans are their uniform… they are easily identifiable.
      When they take on the 5 Ks, they are committed to helping any one who needs their assistance or protection.
      
      Check out this character… call a spade a spade
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_KglANlsYk
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:35am
      - fernglas
        
        Odakyu-sen: Would you bother the British baristas, barmen and barbers, bearded blokes but basically benign?
        
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        May 24, 2017 12:01pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I’ve got that covered, Maggy. Sikhs start their beards BEFORE the age of 18, so they would be exempt.
        
        Fernglas: BOMB looks for untrimmed beards; since baristas, barmen and barbers, bearded blokes and others have nicely trimmed, well-kept beards, they too would fall beyond the purview of the BOMB initiative.
        
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        May 24, 2017 1:59pm
    - kowtow
      
      Haha
      
      Sounds like most of their coppers, slobby bobbies.
      
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      May 24, 2017 12:21pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    close down schools that promote sharia law
    
    The promotion of sharia law is essentially sedition (conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state).
    
    Sedition laws were repealed here a decade ago, but I’d support re-introduction of a more focused law capturing the belief we have as New Zealanders in having one law, and one legal system.
    
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    May 24, 2017 12:12pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Muslims are >10% in Manchester. (were 8.5% in 2011)
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:41am
- jonar
  
  From the much larger Muslim community (5.1%): (sound of crickets chirping…)
  
  Actually…
  
  http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/muslims-unite-to-condemn-ariana-grande-manchester-terror-attack-6655366/
  
  The truth was very different as dozens of Muslims in Manchester rushed to help those caught up in the attack.
  
  Muslim taxi drivers turned off their meters and offered free rides to people, Muslim NHS workers worked throughout the night treating the injured and Muslim locals offered up rooms for free.
  
  The Muslim Council of Britain called the Manchester attack ‘horrific’ and ‘criminal’.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:05pm
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Odakyu sen , spurious arguement . What about Buddhsits and places of worship of other faiths ?

The putting pieces of the puzzle together does not equate to demonising and hating all Muslims for the attack.
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May 24, 2017 9:34am
- Scott
  
  Very good comments stephieboy! Whenever there is a terrorist attack and in particular a suicide bombing I always first of all suspect Buddhists! If it is not Buddhists it is usually Anglicans! I tell you stephieboy that some of those Anglican vestry’s are hotbeds of radical terrorism!
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:42am
  - cmm
    
    The Catholic church was a hotbed of terrorism in Uk until the 1990s and they were watched like hawks.
    
    But now the security services have had their wings clipped and cannot function due to political correctness.
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:55am
    - Kimbo
      
      The Catholic church was a hotbed of terrorism in Uk until the 1990s and they were watched like hawks.
      
      No, now you are making stuff up. There are thousands of Catholic churches in the UK, with millions of attendees. As and when a potential suspect was identified and interacted with a church, then yeah, ok. But the idea that M15 agents were engaged in surveillance operations against Thursday night bingo meetings at the local Catholic church is laughable.
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:03am
      - kowtow
        
        The first terrorism in the current round of Troubles in NI was protestant , by the UVF who during the admittedly largely Catholic civil rights strife, were seeking out Catholics to murder and busy bombing water and power installations.This action is what necessitated the army being first sent in to guard same.
        
        They also were the first to murder a member of the NI security services , ironically , also a Protestant. Constable Victor Arbuckle.
        
        The Catholic Church as such had nothing to do with the terrorism , that’s not to say there weren’t a shit load of Catholic terrorists and sympathisers though.
        
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        May 24, 2017 12:34pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. From what I have learned recently, the IRA had almost dissolved away to nothing in the 1950s and early 1960s. But then Northern Ireland was hit by an economic downturn.
        
        The petrol on the fire was the decisions of the likes of Bernadette Devlin, with their radical left wing politics. Sure, they were marching in 1968 in London, Paris and Chicago, but whereas there the violence was over and done with, in the context of Northern Ireland a march for civil rights was not only bad timing, it was counter-productive, and could only end in tears. But then Devlin had the revolutionary’s attitude, “if you want an omelette, you have to break some eggs”.
        
        A good example of how it is easy to escalate a conflict, and once existing distrust morphs into violence, it is bloody hard to stop it taking on a life of its own that sweeps up others, much less de-escalate and dismount.
        
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        May 24, 2017 12:41pm
      - kowtow
        
        kimbo
        
        Their last hurrah was a border campaign , Operation Harvest.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Campaign_(Irish_Republican_Army)
        
        To be fair though , the NI state did discriminate against Catholics , and in the context of the ’60s , as you point out , was in so doing looking for a fight. The problem in the NI context was many in its majority and government saw these matters in terms of being an embattled minority and sadly reacted accordingly.
        
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        May 24, 2017 1:07pm
- Manolo
  
  Would you ever admit the latent violence in your Islamic religion, stephieboy?
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:44am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Manolo , how will you do about banning this allegedly violent world wide religion of which I’m not a member of.
    
    Lets begin with the 250 million or so in your mother country ?
    
    Out with it !
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:57am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Allegedly violent.
      
      Lol.
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:35am
    - krazykiwi
      
      250 million? Manolo’s mother country has fraction of that population.
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:22am
      - stephieboy
        
        krazykiwi , Indonesian Demographics ,
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Indonesia
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:33am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Spain demographics
        http://www.indexmundi.com/spain/demographics_profile.html
        
        Dear Manolo
        did you notice that adult obesity figure (26.5%)?
        You might have to widen your shoes.
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:43am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I’ve met Manolo. You’re barking up the wrong tree.
        
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        May 24, 2017 12:18pm
    - Manolo
      
      Allegedly? C’mon!
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:27am
    - starboard
      
      “this allegedly violent world wide religion”
      
      Are you pisssed?..or stoned?..or pissed and stoned ?
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:36am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        both as per usual.
        Islam is the only religion left (that I am aware of, and I am happy to be corrected by anyone other than a stephiebot) that actively promotes and encourages violence and terrorism against anyone not of their specific belief.
        
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        May 24, 2017 1:48pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        We have the stoning to look forward to if we are not careful. Beware the fatwah.
        A friend wouldn’t go to Cat Stevens because of the fatwah edict on Salman Rushdie. Despite his name he did not seem to be in a rush to die.
        
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        May 24, 2017 3:02pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Rachael Membery ,
        
        ” Against stupidity the Gods alone battle in vain ”
        
        Schiller
        
        Taking up the mantle of being the Pauline Hanson of NZ ?
        
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        May 24, 2017 7:09pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Whichever company is supplying you with all those straw men is going to be rich by the end of today Stephieboy.
  Can you tell us their name so we can buy shares.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:45am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Someone is making some hay out of all the straw men…
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:52am
Rodney Randall

Stuff have not allowed comments sections on ANY of the numerous articles on the Manchester terrorist attack.

They have, however, allowed comments for an article: “Donald Trump denied Melania’s hand – again”

I rang the deputy editor and enquired as to why they won’t allow comments for such a serious story and why they have allowed comments for a BS Clickbait story?

Deputy Editors response verbatim: “What would you say about Manchester?”

“There is nothing to say about it”

“Why would we need to put comments up for that article?”

At this point I detected an accent. It all became clear who was making the editorial decisions to stamp out free speech in their forums

My response was to question their blatant bias/agenda and to ask who are they protecting and why?

NO RESPONSE.

Stuff is going down. They are finished,

MSM SHILLS

EDITORIAL

Stuff Editor:

Patrick Crewdson

Tel: 04 474 0182

Email: patrick.crewdson@fairfaxmedia.co.nz

Twitter: @PatrickCrewdson

Stuff Deputy Editor:

Janine Fenwick

Tel: 04 474 0097

Email: janine.fenwick@fairfaxmedia.co.nz

Twitter: @j9fenwick

Chief News Director

Keith Lynch

Tel: 03 943 2583

Email: keith.lynch@fairfaxmedia.co.nz

ring these fuckers up and hound them to open the comments sections.

They are pathetic spineless jelly fish…all of them
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May 24, 2017 9:38am
- KevOB
  
  For a good news presentation see the ODT.
  Stuff seems to be under direction to pull down Trump.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:03am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    They are a bunch of liberal fucktards controlled by the MSM.
    
    Pure trash clickbait outfit battling hard for survival.
    
    Well they have fucked themselves and I trust they will tank hard in the goodness of time.
    
    When you choose to silence dissent/free speech and run with left wing propaganda then you are well and truly finished.
    
    The arrogance and dissconnect from their editors is staggering.
    
    “we do not have an agenda”
    
    Fark off
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:22am
  - kowtow
    
    KOB
    
    The ODT editorial line is very anti Trump.
    
    Its Monday world supplement is taken, it seems to me, largely from left wing sources such as the Guardian/ Observer.
    
    It is very pro Syrian refugee , to the extent of propaganda.
    
    They declared themselves to be Je Suis , but didn’t publish any “offending” cartoons.
    
    They also describe any anti immigrant European politician as “far right” , which to my way of thinking is fake news, if not a down right deliberate lie.
    
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    May 24, 2017 2:33pm
    - KevOB
      
      The online news area may only be a summary but it is largely pleasantly bias free. I am only recommending it as an alternative to Stuff and the NZ Herald which I gave up ages ago.
      
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      May 24, 2017 3:42pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Well done! Hats off to you Rodney.
  
  You are a charitable soul to give any of your time to those bottom-feeders though!
  
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  May 24, 2017 1:02pm
Manolo

Is there any hope for Europeans? They will be swamped by the barbarians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4535454/Nearly-seven-million-migrants-waiting-cross-Europe.html

More than six million asylum seekers are waiting to cross into Europe, a leaked intelligence report warns.

The confidential report, leaked to German newspaper Bild, claims 6.6million migrants are waiting in countries around the Mediterranean sea to cross into Europe, including 2.5million in war-torn North Africa.
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May 24, 2017 9:42am
- Swifty
  
  I am absolutely sure I do not know what are all the solutions to preventing a repeat of Manchester.
  
  What I do know though is that this wholesale immigration to the UK (and Europe) must be stopped altogether. It is clearly not good for the immigrants (no jobs, poor prospects, decades on benefits, everything is foreign, language barriers etc etc etc) and definitely bad for the UK, as we have repeatedly seen, and in many, many ways.
  
  There are other ways of helping people. Having them camped next door, without prospects for decades, would be last on my list for their and my sakes.
  
  I cannot understand how this problem has been left for so long. Cameron campaigned on eliminating it (unfettered immigration) and it grew under his leadership! A wholesale disgrace and an total abrogation of responsibility for keeping the British people safe and secure.
  
  Stop this wholesale immigration. Now.
  
  At least then effort can be devoted fully to the scumbags already there without adding more fuel to the fire.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:18am
Hugh Pavletich

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
… Big bubble trouble now in Australia and New Zealand …

Brisbane landlords put the to sword – MacroBusiness Australia
… behind paywall …

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/brisbane-landlords-put-sword/

Via The Australian:

Prominent agency owner Andrew Coronis, managing director of Coronis, which operates 23 offices across southeast Queensland, said tenants were moving more readily to get better deals, forcing existing unit stock and “investor-style” apartment owners to cut prices.

“We’re seeing a 17 per cent drop in rents and it is happening right now,” Mr Coronis said. “It is between 10 (per cent) and 17 (per cent). Everybody is scrambling to lock tenants down.”

Mr Coronis said gave the example of an older sixpack style unit block in suburban Chermside where previous rental income was about $420-$430 and would now attract between $350 and $360 a week. … read more via hyperlink above …

ABC The Business Does Bank Re-Rating … Digital Finance Analytics
h/t JG

http://www.digitalfinanceanalytics.com/blog/abc-the-business-does-bank-re-rating/

The Business looked at the impact of S&P’s down grades on 23 smaller banks in Australia, and highlighted the impact on funding and competition, especially in the longer term. It will more than offset the bank levy the big banks will have to wear!

They also looked a funding costs and explained why mortgage rates may rise and the potential adverse impact on household debt. … VIEW & READ more via hyperlink above …

Sydney and Melbourne Home Price Slide … Digital Finance Analytics

http://www.digitalfinanceanalytics.com/blog/sydney-and-melbourne-home-price-slide/

Latest data from CoreLogic shows a continued slide in the major markets this month. Brisbane (inc. Gold Coast) are the only positive markets. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Auckland bubble trouble …

With interest costs rising faster than rents and capital gains turning negative, many Auckland property investors will be facing some tough choices … Greg Ninness … Interest Co NZ

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87858/interest-costs-rising-faster-rents-and-capital-gains-turning-negative-many-auckland

Liam Dann: Housing slowdown rides into town for Nats – Business – NZ Herald News

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11858242
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May 24, 2017 9:46am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Dr. Who’s black-and-blue text scrolling scarf is back (thanks, Hugh).
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:53am
- KevOB
  
  Stand by for more. Its long overdue and should accelerate. The FED is doing its darndest to keep the money supply growing but borrowers have reached their limits and their incomes have not kept pace with acquired debt servicing requirements. Their demand is now dropping and prices for asset selling hopefuls. Human nature wins. Excess money supply fueled opportunities and aspirations, excessive debt then fall. Start all over again.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:10am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  On and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on he goes…………………….
  
  The failed property developer/speculator will be back with another load of drivel shortly.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:21am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    The risks involved with irresponsible and reckless high multiple lending are poorly understood … as Central Bank of Ireland research found years after the bubble crash 07 / 08 … that put all their Banks to the wall.
    
    Ireland’s metros unweighted average median multiples for its metros peaked at 4.7 and crashed to 2.8.
    
    Australia is currently about 5.5 … NZ 5.9.
    
    Our bubbles are way way worse than the Irish one. Refer graphs and Demographia Surveys at http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
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    .
    Future Fundie warns Aussie bubble as disastrous as Ireland, US – MacroBusiness
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/future-fundie-warns-aussie-bubble-disastrous-ireland-us/
    
    … behind paywall … extract …
    
    … The fund’s senior researchers Matthew Wilson and Craig Shephard found that about half of all the nation’s mortgage debt was in the hands of borrowers whose debt was more than four times larger than their gross income.
    
    The same borrowers had paid off less than half of their loans, the team found, based on data from several official and private sector sources that adjusted for changes in incomes and the collateral values of their homes.
    
    The average loan-to-income ratio of these heavily indebted households was 6.4, or more than double the old banking “rule of thumb” that mortgage managers didn’t lend more than three times a household’s income “unless they were doctors”.
    
    …Almost a third of the most highly geared borrowers were professionals with pre-tax incomes of more than $250,000. While they accounted for just 2 per cent of total households, they held 17 per cent of mortgage debt, and an average mortgage worth $1.6 million. Half of these borrowers had an investment property loan.
    
    Other young households – dubbed “pretenders” because they had taken on large debts relative to their incomes – were also at risk. This group tended to have average incomes of $110,000 but an average mortgage that was an “eye-watering” 7.4 times larger at $840,000.
    
    The last group, young families, were slightly better placed with average incomes of $80,000 and average mortgages of $420,000. … read more via hyperlink above ….
    
    … Of necessity … lending multiples must mirror the median multiples of specific urban markets … refer …
    
    2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
    
    http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
    
    … As illustrated above … house prices in normal markets do not exceed 3.0 times annual household income … requiring sensible mortgage loads of about 2.5 times …
    
    Prof Bill Black & others discuss the Irish financial system performancve … Youtube
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7zd5dRILBw
    
    … Are we adequately aware of the risks involved in the grossly excessive multiple housing markets of Australia and New Zealand ?
    
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    May 24, 2017 11:08am
    - starboard
      
      Have you got nothing else to do Hugh ?
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:33am
      - stephieboy
        
        statboard , pertinent questio for you too.
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:37am
      - stigie
        
        All these questions you ask Stiffy but give “no” answers….why is that..?
        
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        May 24, 2017 12:21pm
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        I up ticked Hugh because, for all that he daily bangs on about housing, this time he has some clearly relevant figures which should be quite alarming to both borrowers and lenders in the Auckland housing market, and puzzling to any political party
        wondering how to restore sane house prices to Auckland without destroying baby boomers’ capital gains and inflicting negative equity on house purchasers of the last few years with mortgages.
        
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        May 24, 2017 3:11pm
      - starboard
        
        Well I’m actually retired stupidboy with a bit of spare time so I like putting my oar in so to speak.
        
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        May 24, 2017 4:54pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Told you he’d be back.
      Can’t help himself.
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:43am
Manolo

Will our own multiculturalist and proud Muslim stephieboy agree with Morgan?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4534558/PIERS-MORGAN-refuse-believe-knew-ANYTHING.html
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May 24, 2017 9:54am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, ” multiculturalist? ? Rich irony factor in your case ,
  
  http://www.zesia.co.nz/?page_id=44
  
  Don’t be shy .
  
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  May 24, 2017 11:42am
simpleton1

Why does this dissension with Jews and Christians have to be repeated 5 times a day?.
This would have been a part of the prayer that the suicide bomber was winding himself up with, plus other verses

– Guide us to the Straight Way
– The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not (the way) of those who earned Your Anger (such as the Jews), nor of those who went astray (such as the Christians).
http://understand-islam.net/salat/04.html

Just what are you supposed to do with unbelievers? the ones that have earned anger?, the ones that have gone astray?
Answers found in the koran, (the abrogating verses), hadith, sira and sunnah.

Ones that have gone astray in islam, would also seem to be apostates, and the 4 schools of islamic jurisprudence have very ruthless guidelines in how to deal with them.
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May 24, 2017 9:55am
- Inandout
  
  Banging 5 times a day would be described by the head doctors as ‘reinforcement’. Hearing no other messages than koran-speak leaves no room for other views. Very clever of the old pedo to write this propaganda for his disciples, would make Joseph Goebbels so proud. Completely envelop the faithful with a Muslim way of life and you are home and hosed.
  
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  May 24, 2017 12:21pm
flipper

1. While Manchester grieves, that stupid Dem bint Warner claims that Trump is responsible.

2. We have Parliamentary nutters (like every green idiot, and most NZ For first and Labour fool;s) , but DJT is responsible for Manchester?

3. And on the continued MSM/Demo Russia narrative… read amd learn…..

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/23/gregg-jarrett-what-is-robert-mueller-investigating-since-collusion-is-not-crime.html
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May 24, 2017 10:19am
Rodney Randall

The only reason Stuff has refused to allow comments about the Manchester attack is that they are SHIT SCARED of offending Muslims in New Zealand.

Much easier to protect Islam from the deserved vitriol and derision and instead censor free speech.
Mainstream media are the enemy within.

Islam makes quite a large claim for itself: It states that it is the final, unalterable, revelation, and you are not to question this.

By locking out the comments section on all Manchester Terrorist articles Stuff have ‘inavertantly’ adopted Sharia.

The radicals have already won and the Mainstream media are complicit.
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May 24, 2017 10:45am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  It can’t be that they’re scared – I thought they were heroic protectors of freedom and truth!
  
  You know the only people that can be trusted to hold the fragile flower of public interest in their sweaty, hairy palms.
  
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  May 24, 2017 1:04pm
Longknives

Watch the Media over the next few days.
In the aftermath of Muslim Committed Atrocities like Manchester I have noticed the Media always go looking for a ‘Poor Muslims’ story.
I bet there will be a Muslim who is asked to take their Burkha off in a shop or Bank who runs crying to the Media, or maybe someone will make a snide comment to them on a Bus or Train and it gets splashed all over the front pages..
Mark my Words those stories about how ‘Intolerant’ we are will be coming.
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May 24, 2017 10:45am
Stars And Stripes

Child in Palmerston North hospital with typhoid, another tests positive
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11862077.
“Medical Officer of Health Dr Patrick O’Connor said the teen had a family link to the recent outbreak in Auckland.
All those confirmed to have typhoid fever are connected to the same church group, the Mt Albert Samoan Assembly of God congregation. The group held its weekly services at the Wesley Primary School in Mt Roskill”.

While we are running down third world immigrants I might as well throw this one in the mix as well.
Mt Roskill and all it’s grubs are now starting to spread their pestilence and disease to the rest of the country kindly sharing typhoid with Palmerston North.
Whole suburb and all residents need to be sprayed and disinfected.
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May 24, 2017 10:45am
- stephieboy
  
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  Stars And Stripes , nasty and unhinged post of the day . But waht could you expect from a South Aucklander !
  
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  May 24, 2017 11:39am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    You leave Stars and Stripes alone Stephie.
    
    He is our own true bard – his last recounting of his charitable ventures with the whale and the masturbating child will one day be revered as modern literary classic.
    
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    May 24, 2017 1:24pm
    - Kimbo
      
      You missed yesterday’s edition of Postcards from Stars and Stripes (© 2017) on General Debate, an embedded ethnographic report of an interaction with the local Vietnamese community (MAY 23, 2017 8:13AM):
      
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/05/general_debate_23_may_2017.html
      
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      May 24, 2017 1:28pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Thank you – I would have been much the poorer for missing that.
        
        I had tears of laughter running down my face – S&S IS a national treasure!
        
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        May 24, 2017 5:34pm
- GoVege
  
  Samoans are mostly lovely people but Samoa is another 3rd world country obsessed with religion.
  Fortunately that religion is not Islam, but too much money is spent on building and repairing churches than addressing the population”s health needs.
  
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  May 24, 2017 12:34pm
krazykiwi

I’ve heard the 2% muslim population figure used a few times in relation to some kind of domestic terrorism tipping point. It sounds plausible, and I guess it would be possible to cite examples of this, and to asserts a causative relationship.

However, in my travels I found scatter chart which seems to kick the 2% theory into the weeds, i.e. there’s no obvious relationship between muslim population density and the number of terrorist attacks. The data is sourced from Pew Research, and the Global Terrorism Database.
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May 24, 2017 10:48am
- Kimbo
  
  Yep. India, Israel (not the West Bank!) and Singapore would seem three offhand that falsify the, dare I say it?…urban myth of “2%”. Leaving aside the geo-political lightening rods, there are lots of complex local factors in the play in those three nations, but they have one thing in common – a bedrock commitment and enforcement of secular values in their pluralistic nations, distinguishing between the freedom of religion and standing firm against Islamisation/jihadism. Good advice for us as we walk the tightrope between allowing religious freedom, yet addressing security concerns. targeting a whole religion will make it worse, not better.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:54am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Maybe those three examples are special cases ? Singapore, a highly regimented and policed state, with considerable economic but limited political freedoms. It might also be noted that there are essentially no Islamic Refugees. India is special for several reasons; the presence and significant antagonism between Islam and Hinduism, again no refugees, and third those Muslims in India itself decided to stay there when the partition happened. There is violence, on both sides around religion in India; there have been a number of attacks on Indian soil.
    
    As for Israel, there are a large number of terrorist attacks, so I don’t see why you would consider them to be an exception to the rule.
    
    So Singapore, a very controlled society, dominantly Chinese, insignificant refugees, very mixed community of Muslims but probably a majority from typically less extreme strains of Islam found in the far East. India, there is violence and has been for a long time, but probably a population far more inclined to take local justice to extremes as a deterrent. Israel, not an exception.
    
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    May 24, 2017 1:37pm
    - Kimbo
      
      You are right about Singapore, as it is, in effect a benevolent dictatorship. But as per troubles in Indonesia, “less extreme strains of Islam found in the far East” no longer applies when a geo-political such as ISIS and other forms of terrorism arrives on the scene. Bali bombings?
      
      Also, terrorist attacks are almost exclusively sourced from outside Israel, particularly Gaza and the West Bank (which is not part of Israel, Jewish settlements or not! 😉 ). No such problems with their large domestic Arab (Muslim and Christian) Israeli population who have been there since 1948 onward. Indeed, they are remarkably well-integrated.
      
      Yes, you are right that India has problems, including the Mumbai bombings a few years ago. But considering the history of partition, the wars with Pakistan, and also the on-going issue of Kashmir, they are remarkably free of Islamic terrorism. As per my point, Indians of all creeds and in vast numbers buy-in to secularism as a bedrock constitutional requirement for their pluralistic nation. While there is still sectarian violence from time to time, I don’t think you could argue things are much better compared to 1947, and are improving all the time. Contrast with Pakistan, an Islamic Republic, and a failed state.
      
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      May 24, 2017 1:47pm
- cmm
  
  Of course there are other terrorists around the world- especially in regional conflicts where the distinction between terrorism, freedom fighters and gang warfare is a blurred.
  
  Using South Africa as an example, were MK (the ANC military wing) terrorists, freedom fighters or fighting ethic turf wars? You could easily argue of all of those depending on who they were attacking.
  
  What really matters for the “tipping point” argument is comparing a country to itself. ie what happens as the demographics of a particular culture change.
  
  The number of Muslims potentially has a large influence on the occurrence of Muslim-dominated terrorism in Europe.
  
  The number of Muslims likely has no impact on the drug wars in Central America.
  
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  May 24, 2017 11:10am
mandk

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92918260/doctor-leaps-on-stage-at-antivaccination-movie-and-blasts-those-gathered

“Your presence here will cause babies to die”

Well said, Dr O’Sullivan. The anti-vaxxers are dangerous, and should be treated like criminals.
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May 24, 2017 10:52am
waripori

Donald Trump’s response to the Manchester outrage was interesting. He defined the attacker as a loser rather than a monster. It may well be his time in the Middle east has taught him something. Talking about Radical Islamic Terrorism and demonising the attackers just encourages them by building them up in the minds of potential followers. Ridicule and contempt are the best weapons. The only way to reduce the chances of this sort of thing are to marginalise these nutters within the Islamic community. They cant really act completely alone apart from a knife attack or maybe vehicular homicide. A bomb requires cooperation from someone else and knowledge of the plot must thus be available in those communities. Intelligence gathering is our only protection .
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May 24, 2017 11:08am
- All_on_Red
  
  It’s Rex Tillerson giving him advice. He is very experienced in the ME.
  Probably the most experienced Secretary of State for years.
  
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  May 24, 2017 1:34pm
GazzaW

…….and whilst on the the subject of matters medical did anyone catch Red Radio’s Suzie Ferguson’s attempted ambush on Waikato Hospital this morning? Red Radio news had been trumpeting about the crisis situation yesterday with elective surgery being cancelled due to the hospital being inundated with sick children over the weekend and strongly hinting that there was insufficient resource to cope. Ferguson, sensing blood on the floor was dealt to by Dr Doug Stephenson, an amiable but very on to it American who cheerfully advised that his very capable staff had cleared any backlog yesterday and that the current status in the Emergency Dept was that they had just one patient waiting on a bed. An obviously deflated Ferguson did not give in easily but was hopelessly outclassed by Doctor Doug who killed off her rhetoric in a very accomplished and the provision of some hard fact.
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May 24, 2017 11:22am
- stephieboy
  
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  GazzaW, you seem to be spending a lot of time tuning into Red Radio
  
  Whats the attraction ?
  
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  May 24, 2017 11:46am
  - GazzaW
    
    Not sure that its really any of your business but I don’t do breakfast TV and ZB is now just the talking book version of the Herald fronted by Hosking, his goofy producer person and a lot of ads. Red Radio by default not be choice. There’s no attraction I assure you other than a morbid fascination that we the taxpayers have our pockets picked to pay for this outrageously biassed institution.
    
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    May 24, 2017 12:05pm
starboard

**Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari**

Deport this uncivilised imported convicted kiddy fiddler and sexual deviant NOW.

Michael Woodhouse, please step up, do what you need to do, change the law, whatever..and move this cretin on. Doing any less is thumbing your nose at New Zealand.
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May 24, 2017 11:42am
- Kimbo
  
  …change the law…
  
  Courts would overturn it on appeal.
  
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  May 24, 2017 11:44am
krazykiwi

We Muslims can’t combat the poison of terrorism alone says Harun Khan, the Secretary-General of the Muslim council of Britain.

I can see him, arms outstretched, palms upwards, pleading for us to understand his plight.

There are ~1700 Mosques in the UK, and so far only 3 Imams have managed to make any public statement condemning the attack.

Kahn’s bleating is nauseating.

Short of enforcing martial law, the UK can barely do more to stop the next attack. By contrast, radicals appear to be given sanction in the very institutions that Kahn claims need help ‘combating the poison of terrorism’.
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May 24, 2017 11:48am
- GoVege
  
  How about a Million Muslim March this weekend against terrorism?
  That might do it.
  Oh hang on…they’ve had a few of those and I think I recall banners advocating beheadings.
  
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  May 24, 2017 4:03pm
  - Manolo
    
    It will never happen. The concept of a moderate Muslim is a dragon, a unicorn, a complete myth.
    
    The majority of followers of Mohammad believe in sharia law and the application of the Quran (verbatim) to daily life.
    
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    May 24, 2017 5:08pm
Harriet

“…..Short of enforcing martial law,…”

Agreed.

May is putting the military on the UK streets but unless Marshal Law is declared it is just another soft measure to ‘comfort’ the public – by keeping up appearances.

The long game is this:

If muslims in the west don’t behave the generals will take control of the executives.
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May 24, 2017 12:33pm
simpleton1

Suicide bomber from a devout muslim family

She [Kosur] knew the family in the house, she said, though not very well.
The family had sons in their 20s, and a younger son and daughter, and the older sons would wear religious dress and attend a mosque. The mother was a “very nice woman” and taught Kosur’s friend’s daughter to read the Qur’an. ….

….. Salman and his brother Ismail worshipped at Didsbury mosque, where their father, who is known as Abu Ismail within the community, is a well-known figure. “He used to do the five and call the adhan. He has an absolutely beautiful voice. And his boys learned the Qur’an by heart. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/manchester-arena-attacker-named-salman-abedi-suicide-attack-ariana-grande

Tick 1) Well read on the koran.
Tick 2) Would it have been the abrogation verses that tripped him up, so that he had to follow the truth of Mohammad in the Medina period.
Even to “show a face of hate after that sermon” given by his local iman about “against terrorism and about the sanctity of life ”
Tick 3) It would have been difficult knowing all of Mohammad’s messages from Gabriel the angel, which was told to Allah.
He would have known the local imam was speaking against Mohammad, the perfect man’s advice.

Just who is a young muslim lad suppose to believe, the imam or Mohammad?
It is in the very core of the koran, plus hadith, sira and sunnah, explaining all how to be a true follower of Mohammad, the perfect man.
The writings of many ulama (scholars) support this.
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May 24, 2017 1:09pm
- calendar girl
  
  For Man. United fans, from the last paragraph of the “Guardian” story:
  
  “Meanwhile, one former school friend was reported to have said that the last time he saw Abedi he had been a Manchester United fan who rarely discussed his faith.”
  
  Maybe that was what gave Trump got his rather different categorisation of the suicide bomber.
  
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  May 24, 2017 4:36pm
Manolo

So many leaks are killing Trump’s White House:
https://theintercept.com/2017/05/23/read-the-full-transcript-of-trumps-call-with-philippine-president-rodrigo-duterte/
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May 24, 2017 1:13pm
CharlieBrown

https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-internet-conservatives-government-a7744176.html%3Famp

It looks like the people of the UK are as deprived of sensible policies as nz is. Theresa may doesn’t sound much less loopy than Corban. Like us new Zealand folk it seems thier choice of voting is like choosing whether to die by a bullet now or waste away slowly from cancer.
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May 24, 2017 1:19pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Agreed. That clapping you can hear is Stalin from his grave, astounded at May’s chutzpah, and encouraging her long march through the privacy of UK citizens.
  
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  May 24, 2017 1:27pm
Happychappy

So Winston Peter’s the man that criticises National for spending more time looking at their own internal polls than looking after the country has showed what a hypocrite he is by crying wolf about pollsters and saying the polls are rigged and they are not telling the truth. Peter’s says my internal polling has NZ First at 20% of the vote and the polls are giving us a lot less so who is telling the truth this coming from a Leader that has been caught out for not telling the truth and has previous form in conning the public,ask Owen Glenn.
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May 24, 2017 1:34pm
- Johnboy
  
  He’s built a fuckin lot of bridges in Northland though Happy old chappy? 🙂
  
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  May 24, 2017 1:38pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Hello minus. 🙂
    
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    May 24, 2017 1:50pm
Happychappy

Yes maybe a small one to save him extending his energy walking to his boat.??
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May 24, 2017 1:53pm
Ross12

Will this be widely reported in the US MSM ? Absolutely no way.
“More than 5 percent, or one out of every 20 searches seeking upstream Internet data on Americans inside the NSA’s so-called Section 702 database violated the safeguards Obama and his intelligence chiefs vowed to follow in 2011, according to one classified internal report reviewed by Circa.

The Obama administration self-disclosed the problems at a closed-door hearing Oct. 26 before the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that set off alarm. Trump was elected less than two weeks later.
The normally supportive court excoriated administration officials, saying the failure to disclose the extent of the violations earlier amounted to a “institutional lack of candor” and that the improper searches constituted a “very serious Fourth Amendment issue,” according to a recently unsealed court document dated April 26, 2017. …… ”

http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans
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May 24, 2017 1:55pm
Johnboy

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/92922057/blasphemy-law-remains-in-new-zealand-after-national-and-maori-party-vote-down-repeal

Jeeze I’m starting to get a tad concerned about the Catholic/ Stoneage co-allition that seems to be the current rulers of Godzone today! 🙂
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May 24, 2017 2:14pm
- Kimbo
  
  Repeat after me, Johnboy, like a good Protestant: “The Pope is the antichrist”.
  
  Happy to become a political martyr with you as a (platonic) cell mate to while away the time talking amusing shit. Others (EAD, starboard, Rodney Randall) less so…
  
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  May 24, 2017 2:18pm
  - Johnboy
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LhuDvtauzE
    
    🙂
    
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    May 24, 2017 2:42pm
- Albert_Ross
  
  National are not saying that they want to retain the blasphemy law. They are saying that if a law is to be changed or repealed, it ought to be done according to proper democratic procedures, and the public given the opportunity to have their say, if they want, to Parliament.
  
  Do you disagree with that?
  
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  May 24, 2017 2:37pm
  - Johnboy
    
    I disagree with our government hanging onto power by having to agree and kowtow to a race-based minority party that only has one agenda that’s detrimental to every other race in multicultural New Zealand.
    
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    May 24, 2017 2:47pm
    - Johnboy
      
      That includes sushi eaters that avoided nuclear destruction! 🙂
      
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      May 24, 2017 2:58pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Wutt?
        
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        May 24, 2017 5:41pm
simpleton1

History of active area of Moss side, Manchester, where the suicide bomber was bought up.
Written 3 months ago.

Small part of Manchester that has been home to 16 jihadis [ISIS fighters]
Saturday 25th February 2017
16 convicted or dead terrorists have lived within 2.5 miles of al-Harith’s home address
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/25/small-part-of-manchester-that-has-been-home-to-16-jihadis

How many unknown ISIS fighters return slipping back to many UK and Euro cities, and looking to practice their life style developed from the koran, hadith sira and sunnah.

To be looked up to, mentoring and recruiting, using their experience to bring credence to islam?

Is it easy for these known wolves to fit in and live in such moderate communities?
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May 24, 2017 4:12pm
Johnboy

With all the stupid posturing leading up to the next election I really wish that the voices of reason in both National and Labour could get over the shit and reach a coalition that arseholed the fringe wankers like Green and Winston and gave us a REAL government that worked for the betterment of New Zealand instead of working for embellishment of their respective egos to the detriment of the rest of us!

Now wouldn’t that be nice! 🙂
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May 24, 2017 4:20pm
krazykiwi

Formerly of ‘The Smiths’, English singer songwriter Morrissey gives both barrels to UK politicians. Even the Queen isn’t spared.

Celebrating my birthday in Manchester as news of the Manchester Arena bomb broke. The anger is monumental.
For what reason will this ever stop?

Theresa May says such attacks “will not break us”, but her own life is lived in a bullet-proof bubble, and she evidently does not need to identify any young people today in Manchester morgues. Also, “will not break us” means that the tragedy will not break her, or her policies on immigration. The young people of Manchester are already broken – thanks all the same, Theresa. Sadiq Khan says “London is united with Manchester”, but he does not condemn Islamic State – who have claimed responsibility for the bomb.

The Queen receives absurd praise for her ‘strong words’ against the attack, yet she does not cancel today’s garden party at Buckingham Palace – for which no criticism is allowed in the Britain of free press.

Manchester mayor Andy Burnham says the attack is the work of an “extremist”. An extreme what? An extreme rabbit?

In modern Britain everyone seems petrified to officially say what we all say in private. Politicians tell us they are unafraid, but they are never the victims. How easy to be unafraid when one is protected from the line of fire. The people have no such protections.
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May 24, 2017 4:41pm
- Kimbo
  
  Given your politics, I’m assuming you are quoting Morrissey on the basis even a stopped clock is right twice a day. The guy usually makes Russell Brand look like Prime Minister material.
  
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  May 24, 2017 4:51pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Ha! I’ve not followed his politics … I was a Smiths fan back in the day. I thought his point about Sadiq Khan failing to publicly condemn ISIL was a good one, as was his ‘extreme rabbit’ 🙂
    
    I wonder if Harun Khan (Muslim Council) and Sadiq Khan (Mayor) are related?
    
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    May 24, 2017 4:55pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Pakistani cricketers Imran Khan and Majid Khan were cousins, if that helps. But then “Khan” is probably as common a surname in the Pakistani community as…Smith for the English.
      
      On second thoughts, as per the four brothers and one son who also played for Pakistan (Hanif, Mushtaq, Sadiq, Wasim and Shoaib)…their equivalent to Smith would seem to be Mohammed.
      
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      May 24, 2017 5:01pm
      - Longknives
        
        I remember watching Shoab Mohammed batting for freaking days against New Zealand at the Basin when I was a kid..
        *But we may be getting off track here..
        
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        May 24, 2017 5:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Is General Debate.
        
        Yes, I remember that. I think he was is great Hanif’s son, who still holds the world record for the longest first class innings (970 minutes!).
        
        The family was originally from India (Gujarat I think), but emigrated in the 1947 partition.
        
        Javed Miandad, who always scored a gazzilion runs against NZ also got stuck in with Shoaib in a long partnership at the Basin…and then backed it up with the small matter of about 280 at Eden Park in the next game.
        
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        May 24, 2017 5:17pm
      - kowtow
        
        They’re all cousins.
        
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        May 24, 2017 5:50pm
  - Longknives
    
    The weird thing is that Morrissey used to be a hardcore Lefty!
    Perhaps the Nail Bombing of Children has finally woken him out of his delusion??
    
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    May 24, 2017 5:07pm
    - Kimbo
      
      No, he’s still playing the class-warfare card. As per political/royal figures such as Airey Neave and Lord Mountbatten, they are targeted by terrorists.
      
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      May 24, 2017 5:11pm
  - KevinH
    
    To his credit Russell Brand has donated the proceeds of his latest show to the fund set up for victims of the Manchester bombings.
    Morrissey however has used the tragedy to take a cheap shot at politicians and the Queen but offers no practical solutions himself or makes an offer of a financial contribution to match Brand’s contribution.
    
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    May 24, 2017 5:25pm
Johnboy

The real problem the poms have is that the enemy is amongst them in huge numbers. Meanwhile we fuckwits in Godzone keep importing them as to the law of HelenC.

The answer is very simple! 🙂
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May 24, 2017 4:58pm
Peter

The cowardice of “carry on”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4vWR5BpDdQ
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May 24, 2017 5:16pm
Happychappy

Can anyone tell me what is worst Alfred Ngaro not giving msm a apology for saying they created the housing crisis or Carmel Sepuloni sweeping the dirt under the carpet from her mother’s offense against tax paying NZ’ers and Labour top echelon hiding the facts about Ginger Hughes and a naked lad being chased down a hill when leaving a house owned you Annette King.
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May 24, 2017 5:19pm
- Johnboy
  
  I think Dr. Ian Scott denying he was in love is worse! 🙂
  
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  May 24, 2017 5:26pm
EAD

And so it starts…..

https://www.dailystormer.com/with-bodies-still-warm-abc-news-worries-about-backlash-against-moslems/

With the bodies still warm, the MSM starts fretting about a (non-existent) backlash against Muslims.

Perhaps if there was actually a so called backlash we wouldn’t be in a “rinse and repeat” cycle of watching beautiful children blown to smithereens across Europe then proclaiming all sorts of nonsense like “love trumps hate” as people light candles and sing kumbiya.
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May 24, 2017 5:30pm
- EAD
  
  Excerpt from the article – logic that never enters well paid MSM journalists minds (except maybe Andrew Bolt, James Delingpole & Douglas Murrays)
  
  I’ve lived in other people’s countries a lot. Most of my adult life, in fact.
  
  If I was living in China, and white people were mass-murdering the Chinese, I would fully expect to be looked at with suspicion wherever I went. And if people started coming up to me and telling me they were sorry, and they hope I’m okay, and they know not all whites are like that, I would view them as a lunatic – not a friendly and understanding enlightened Chinaman.
  
  It is 100% logical that if members of a specific group are murdering you that you would be angry and suspicious of the entire group.
  
  And all of this is outside of the fact Islam is a religion of conquest and terrorism, which has historically conquered half of our territory, and is now openly pledging to repeat this feat.
  
  Apologizing to your attackers is a very special type of vicious derangement, which could only exist right now.
  
  But it won’t exist for much longer.
  
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  May 24, 2017 5:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , your take on President Trump’s hsitoric visit to the wailing wall ?
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4530634/Trump-visits-Jerusalem-s-Western-Wall-pray.html
  
  Patience running thin ?
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:10pm
JasonJohns

Red Radio has slandered the patriots who have rediscovered NZ’s lost white heritage
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/mediawatch/audio/201844449/fake-history-makes-front-page-news
How sad that we mock rather than celebrate the white people who discovered and settled NZ
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May 24, 2017 5:31pm
- Johnboy
  
  Despite the propaganda of government radio we know the truth JJ! 🙂
  
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  May 24, 2017 5:37pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Johnboy , know what truth ?
    
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    May 24, 2017 6:08pm
- starboard
  
  I watched part of TV one’s breakfast programme this morning as well as the lunchtime news .
  The spoken english of the young repeaters is appalling, however they bend over backwards trying to get their tongues around the maori dialogue.
  It is very cringe worthy.
  English first children, then the stone age language..ok ?
  
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  May 24, 2017 5:44pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Yes it’s always amused me that we have a nation of folk that can’t speak their own language properly but they’re meant to go out of their way to get their tongues round the dreadful stoneage language that none of its own folk can agree how to speak! 🙂
    
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    May 24, 2017 5:50pm
    - starboard
      
      Its truly nauseating , not one of them can pronounce a full sentence without bastardising words.
      Bradford is one of the worst along with Brodie whats her name.
      
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      May 24, 2017 6:03pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Heard on an AirNZ aircraft this week: “ples fasin uur seebelz”
    
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    May 24, 2017 6:12pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Been that way for a long time. You old farts have always been incomprehensible to foreigners too:
      http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/document/40118/new-zild-and-how-to-speak-it
      
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      May 24, 2017 7:06pm
  - stephieboy
    
    starboard , could you link a sample of your spoken English ?
    
    Should be interesting .
    
    Hmmm..
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4kOmsdzOvU
    
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    May 24, 2017 6:41pm
    - starboard
      
      Sure..why don’t you go fuck yourself.
      Hows that?
      
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      May 24, 2017 7:05pm
      - stephieboy
        
        starboard , not even I’m capable of that !
        
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        May 24, 2017 7:14pm
      - starboard
        
        yes well you are probably are LGTBV etc etc, you wouldn’t know what to do with your tackle or orifice, or both tackle and orifice. It must be vewy dwifficult for you..poor fing.
        
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        May 24, 2017 7:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns,
  
  Pre Maori White Northalnders ?
  
  Your joking of course !
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:07pm
  - starboard
    
    Non violent muslims…you’re joking aren’t you stupidboy ?
    
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    May 24, 2017 6:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Starboard , your another deluded pre Maori white civilisation true believer ?
      
      Figures .
      
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      May 24, 2017 6:38pm
JasonJohns

They’re white patriots…that’s supposed to be an insult? More degeneracy from a degenerate…
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/22-05-2017/the-white-tangata-whenua-and-other-bullshit-from-the-one-new-zealand-crew/
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May 24, 2017 5:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns,
  
  “The white tangata whenua, and other bullshit from the ‘One New Zealand’ crew”
  
  The exhumed skull of a 3,000-year-old Welshwomen. Nazi submarines. Ancient Spanish shipwrecks. The pre-Māori white civilisation theories of Noel Hilliam and his friends have a lot going for them. Except any plausible evidence, writes Scott Hamilton
  
  Read it last night . Faultless.
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:04pm
howitis

Aha
Auditor General.
Martin/Martyn Mathews to be stood down for an inquiry that is expected to take 2 weeks.

At least this is a step in the right direction even if he is cleared.

There is actually some acknowledgement of his (gross?) incompetence at MOT/NZTA or whatever name it is this week.
Perhaps it could be renamed Ministry for Vulnerable Taxpayers!

Mathews has a LOT to answer for. He sounds like a practiced deflector though.

Sir Maarten Wevers has agreed to undertake the review and hoped to start the work next Wednesday and have it competed in a fortnight.
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May 24, 2017 5:56pm
- nasska
  
  …..”hoped to start the work next Wednesday and have it competed in a fortnight”…..
  
  This will be an all time record for a NZ enquiry or a review of anything. Usually it takes a couple of months to choose the colour of the curtains for the new offices for the parasites to deliberate in.
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:04pm
  - Johnboy
    
    As long as he wasn’t shagging anyone should be a doddle really! 🙂
    
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    May 24, 2017 6:21pm
- Happychappy
  
  Can you post the proof of him being stood down
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/92941401/auditorgeneral-martin-matthews-to-stand-down-pending-independent-inquiry
    
    http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/331490/i-stand-by-the-actions-i-took
    
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    May 24, 2017 6:33pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Maggy: He stood down on his own accord and asked for the review, that was the point i was trying to make.
      
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      May 24, 2017 6:43pm
- Reid
  
  Now we just have to wait for the enquiry into how Hulun’s protege Mary-Ann Thompson stood over the Immigration staff and required them to grant PR to her rellies, the fake CV she was prosecuted for didn’t even begin to cover her crimes and the subsequent corrupt cover-up.
  
  And…
  
  An enquiry into why Tinkerbell let the S-G resign with full honour and full pension after he and the Auckland QC had committed shall we say questionable acts during the John Banks case.
  
  Both of these stink, they really fucking reek and they’re not the only things in the cesspool that is Wgtn’s senior bureacracy which does, but nailing those two incidents, with full public disclosure no matter who gets embarassed, would be a tiny, small but very worthwhile start.
  
  NZ isn’t corrupt?
  
  You’re joking, naturally.
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:38pm
Awww C-mon

A few of y’all enjoy a good troll and some sarcasm…
FB Bill English and the pre budget pie… just had a good giggle over with a pie is appropriate for a PM 🙂
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May 24, 2017 6:29pm
simpleton1

Last year, shadow home secretary Andy Burnham, Labour’s candidate for Mayor of Greater Manchester

26 September 2016
…..strategy is aimed at preventing people from becoming “radicalised” and turning to terrorism. Provisions include giving public bodies, including teachers, a statutory duty to report so-called signs of extremism. These may however include innocuous and entirely legal activities such as people becoming more religious or expressing anti-establishment views. Teaching unions have voted to boycott elements of the programme……

“If people have a feeling that the bodies that they would go to are also simultaneously being asked to monitor them there’s a possible conflict of interest there isn’t there?” Mr Burnham told a fringe event at Labour conference organised by the Mend (Muslim Engagement & Development), a not-for-profit company that aims to enhance the engagement of British Muslims in national life…….

He [Andy Burnham] added: “There’s a lot of people in this country not necessarily at risk from ‘Islamic extremism’ but it’s far-right extremism. That’s what we’re talking about here, but where is the statutory duty on that? … There are so many issues with it that it needs a root and branch review.”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/prevent-anti-extremism-strategy-legitimising-islamophobic-hate-attacks-andy-burnham-warns-a7330951.html

Let’s hope none of the parents of the killed and maimed become ‘islamphobic’, and so become “far right extremist”

Muslims already have sacred holy scripture, koran, hadith surah and sunnah in guiding their lives, as produced by the most perfect man, Mohammad.

23 MAY 2017
Andy Burnham: ‘Bomber doesn’t represent Muslims’
Greater Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham says the terror attack “defies any reasoning” and people will not let it divide the city. https://www.channel4.com/news/andy-burnham-bomber-doesnt-represent-muslims

Per kk above Morrissey says, “Manchester mayor Andy Burnham says the attack is the work of an “extremist”. An extreme what? An extreme rabbit?”, that is pulled out of a hat.
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May 24, 2017 6:33pm
Stars And Stripes

Just watched the One News at 6pm to see how they were going to try and sanitise the bombing in Manchester.
Was not disappointed at all with the word Islam never being mentioned at all and the word Muslim only being mentioned once in passing when referring to the guys neighbours.
However they did show the interview with the token Muslim women in hijab in Manchester saying how bad it all was.
No wonder the world cannot properly confront this cancer when the media are to gutless to even speak honestly about it and just constantly try to obfuscate.
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May 24, 2017 6:33pm
- Reid
  
  Maybe if the sheeple weren’t so fucking useless about discerning the difference between the Muslims who are the bad buys and the Muslims who aren’t like that at all, the media wouldn’t have quite the same incentive to resort to its propaganda.
  
  Of course that means the fucking idiot sheeple need to learn the abovementioned distinction doesn’t it, and there’s no sign of that happening anytime soon.
  
  Hint for the sheeple morons who don’t understand 2+2: The bad guys behave just exactly precisely like a major Western ME ally does which Trump just visited and concluded the biggest arms deal in history with. What do you think the ME ally which behaves precisely exactly like the bad guys is going to do with all those Western weapons?
  
  Not rocket science as to where it comes from, is it.
  
  Apart apparently, to the fucking stupid the sheeple. To them, evidently, it’s awesomely complicated, no answer in sight, just keeps going and going with no end, and isn’t it just fucking awful and where, on Earth, asks the absolutely mental sheeple, does it possibly come from?
  
  Aren’t sheeple……………………………….
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:49pm
  - nasska
    
    Regardless of what happens on the geopolitical stage the outcome for the man on the street will be the same Reid. The critical flaw in your thinking is believing that we or anyone can distinguish the Muslim “baddies” from the Muslim ” goodies”.
    
    We can’t so why do bleeding hearts pretend that it is possible to live alongside them?
    
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    May 24, 2017 7:02pm
    - stephieboy
      
      nasska, incapable of discerning the simple fact that it is Syrians, Kurds , Iranians and Iraqis who are fighting and attempting to defeat ISIS ?
      
      Intellectual and mental eunuch much !
      
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      May 24, 2017 7:17pm
      - Reid
        
        Intellectual and mental eunuch much !
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjvPcpdu8mk
        
        https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=dads+army+youtube+you+stupid+boy&num=100&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi_kt-Hk4jUAhWFpZQKHZwiBwEQsAQIVg
        
        https://nz.pinterest.com/pin/443112050810289050/
        
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        May 24, 2017 8:52pm
    - Reid
      
      I can nasska, and if I can, why can’t you?
      
      Answer:
      
      Firstly you think the West’s allies have to be the good guys else the West wouldn’t be supporting them.
      
      And secondly, you think the people who the West tell you are the baddies, are really the baddies, otherwise the West wouldn’t be telling you they are.
      
      All you need do mate is reverse those two positions and it all becomes clear. Iraq, Libya, Syria, “seven countries in five years,” etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc all falls into place.
      
      That’s how.
      
      Not hard, but it does hurt one’s tummy unless one understands, truly knows for a fact, just how despicable and diabolical the West’s leaders actually are, as they wreck their implaccable evil on the world. If you don’t know that, in detail, you have no chance of understanding the first fucking thing about how this world today operates, nor of how history really unfolded, which is not how those same diabolical leaders of our past generations have designed the history books we are force fed like geese at school, either.
      
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      May 24, 2017 8:34pm
rightoverlabour

Could somebody point me to the outrage in the Muslim community, both here and in Brittain , that condemns the slaughter of innocent children “in the Name of Allah”. I am tired on the mantra that most Muslims are peace loving and not all Muslims are terrorists. Yes that’s true, but their silence implies consent. If a Catholic priest blew up a bunch of kids I’d be demanding that he be dealt to, as would most other Christians in the world. So until they prove otherwise, I am going to assume that most Muslims tacitly agree with the Jihad against the West. And in that case they are all the enemy within.
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May 24, 2017 6:46pm
- nasska
  
  ….”in that case they are all the enemy within.”…..
  
  They are but to date only a few of us have the nous to recognise it. Eventually every thicko European will realise that it is either us or them.
  
  When we do it won’t be pretty.
  
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  May 24, 2017 6:54pm
- stephieboy
  
  rrightoverlabour , since when have gone out and protested other than the comfortand saftey of your keyboards warming your bum?
  
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  May 24, 2017 7:21pm
- JasonJohns
  
  They provide many statements and even march but these are all fake acts designed to fool us.
  eg
  
  Oxford Street was brought to a standstill on Wednesday afternoon as hundreds of Muslims marked the festival of Ashura with a peaceful procession and signs denouncing terrorism and Islamic State.
  http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/london-ashura-islam_uk_57fe7ccce4b0e982146bbae9
  
  Even here in NZ they try marches and statements to pull the wool over our eyes. I’d like them to be silent after terrorist outrages and not hypocritical.
  
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  May 24, 2017 7:32pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rket4xvu_ac

Tommy Robinson in Manchester: “Politicians have sold us out” Rebel Media

Tommy Robinson of TheRebel.media reports from Manchester after the May 22 terrorist attack. He explains the shocking links between UK politicians and Islamic terrorists, and the local mosque’s connection with ISIS
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May 24, 2017 7:14pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855O06GZE90

Tommy Robinson of TheRebel.media normally doesn’t think vigils after Islamic terrorist attacks are helpful, but he says the one he just attended in Manchester was powerful.
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May 24, 2017 7:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  Tommy Robsinson associated with the English Defence League that gres out of football holligans ,
  
  https://euobserver.com/news/30691
  
  Marvellous aint it !
  
  Waht next ?
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:43pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    ” Tommy Robsinson”
    haha
    
    No that’s his half brother Steph;)
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:12pm
JasonJohns

Thanks for linking to that great patriot Tommy Rodney. Tommy has no time for PC and will tell the Pakis where to get off. He’s a race realist who knows the colour of skin counts for a lot where civilisation is concerned. Here he is dealing to the race deniers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1dQw-r5i48
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May 24, 2017 7:21pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  All good.
  
  Great to see/hear Tommy exposing the British ‘Cheka’ who tried to have him knocked off inside.
  
  What a vile corrupt system that puts the protection of radicals above patriots.
  
  Glad he’s found a home at Rebel Media.
  
  Be great to have a Rebel Media outlet in NZ.
  
  Long live Kiwiblog
  
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  May 24, 2017 7:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , race realist ? Code for an undiluted racist .
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:44pm
Rodney Randall

Tv one news tonite still outright lying about attacker being lone wolf despite The head of the British Police publicly stating this was an organised cell attack and the area he grew up in being a “hotbed for IS recruitment”

TV ONE NEWS = BS
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May 24, 2017 7:22pm
- JasonJohns
  
  It’s controlled by a coven of globalists, Rodney. They conspire to dilute the blood of the peoples of Europe and enforce multiculturalism.
  
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  May 24, 2017 7:29pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Echoes of the Nuremberg laws that among many things probhibted the inter marriage of the German volk with Jews as well as general discrimination. against them.
    
    http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/timeline/nurem-laws.htm
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:46pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Home Secretary reckons it is not a lone attack.
  
  That’s why the military are out on the streets.
  
  Bomb seems to be sophisticated
  http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-40023488
  
  Yanks seem to have leaked some information about the Brits’ investigation.
  
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  May 24, 2017 8:39pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2010, The Phoenix Foundation with Buffalo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5rh4LR4dbI
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May 24, 2017 7:23pm
JasonJohns

Uptick if you agree.

‘If a people refuses to guard and uphold its culture, then such a people has no right to complain over the loss of its earthly existence. Everything on this earth can be made into something better, but multiculturalism will wreck inner happiness for ever. It degrades men for all time to come. And the physical and moral consequences can never be wiped out.’

A.H.
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May 24, 2017 7:27pm
Viking2

Bill who? Winston Peters the king of Facebook

Ahead of tomorrow’s Budget, Facebook has released data on what New Zealanders have liked, commented on and shared the most in the past four weeks.

The break-down on anonymised data released by the company includes an analysis of which politician’s Facebook page has had the most total interactions – likes, comments, shares – in the 30 days prior to Budget week.

Peters is number one, beating out Prime Minister Bill English (2), Labour leader Andrew Little (3), Deputy Prime Minister Paula Bennett (4) and Act leader David Seymour (5).

In terms of straight ‘likes’, English has 89,000, Peters 77,000 and Little close to 32,000.

Facebook also analysed which politician had the highest interaction rate over the same period (interactions relative to fan base).

That “per capita” measure opened the field to lesser known politicians and at number one was new Defence Minister and Rodney MP Mark Mitchell.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11862384
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May 24, 2017 7:32pm
mikenmild

I see Kea is getting some traction with his JasonJohns identity tonight. Even getting some upticks for his Hitler quotes.
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May 24, 2017 7:36pm
- JasonJohns
  
  Do you deny Hitler’s criticism of multiculturalism was prescient MM? Deny it if you like, but here at KB a lot of Hitler’s resistance to multiculturalism is alive and well. Like Hitler a lot of us believe the West will die if piles of non-white people are brought to its shores
  
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  May 24, 2017 8:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    JasonJohns . including Jews and other sub humans ( untermenschen )
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  Not replying directly to Kea’s sock puppet, but would anyone who upticked the Hitler quote care to expand on their admiration of Nazi thought?
  
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  May 24, 2017 8:59pm
- fernglas
  
  You guys miss the point. JasonJohns’ comments here are a subtle but hilarious parody of alt-right views. I crack up reading his stuff and the thinly disguised borax he pokes at anti-semites, white supremacists and those guys who think the Welsh got here in their coracles 3000 years ago.
  
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  May 25, 2017 2:21am
Fletch

Is this site lagging tonight? Seems to be loading very slowly for me.
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May 24, 2017 7:51pm
- starboard
  
  Yeah mm just arrived. I know this because its just been through and down ticked everything.
  
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  May 24, 2017 7:53pm
- nasska
  
  It’s painfully slow Fletch. Thought it was just my normal Spark service.
  
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  May 24, 2017 8:00pm
- simpleton1
  
  yes, lagging quite a bit, that I have re booted computer and still only this site is a problem,
  Was a real pain in the butt when I wanted to edit also, by locking me out.
  Also site goes 404 or can go back to some cache but not up to date.
  
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  May 24, 2017 8:18pm
Viking2

Everything is slow loading. Thought it must have been my computer.
Fast Broadband you see. lol
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May 24, 2017 8:02pm
- Reid
  
  Happens with youtube these days too. I’m wondering if bastard telco’s haven’t deliberately inserted a delay to encourage everyone to switch to fibre, because you’d think wouldn’t ya that as the fibre uptake took hold then the reduced load on the Broadband would mean faster and faster speeds for those of us still on it.
  
  Wouldn’t ya.
  
  Fucking marketing swine, if that’s the case.
  
  And fucking dumbo and unethical journos if indeed that’s the case, for not picking up on it and sensing a story, cos you can bet they won’t be publishing anything like that even if it is happening, in case their advertisers get an upside down smile.
  
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  May 24, 2017 8:23pm
JasonJohns

Some people in the patriotc movement have considered Hobson’s Pledge a little bit soft when it comes to asserting white identity. But HP has come to the party with a stirring defence of the patriot scholars who have dscovered the ancient Welsh civilisation n Northland and are enduring attacks from the MSM and the NWO

pic.twitter.com/3HxkevvPl6

Liberals might mock them but if Hobson’s pledge can connect with the One NZ Foundation and National Front then a broad patriotic front could develop and a revolt against PC and multicuturalism begin.
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May 24, 2017 8:08pm
KevinH

Today British Prime Minister Theresa May announced that the threat level is to be increased from severe to critical:

“This morning, I said that the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre (JTAC) – the independent organisation responsible for setting the threat level on the basis of the intelligence available – was keeping the threat level under constant review.
It has now concluded, on the basis of today’s investigations, that the threat level should be increased, for the time being, from severe to critical. This means that their assessment is not only that an attack remains highly likely, but that a further attack may be imminent.
The change in the threat level means that there will be additional resources and support made available to the police as they work to keep us all safe.”

The rise in status of the threat level suggests that JTAC is aware that a series of attacks by ISIS may be in progress.
The placement of armed military personnel at key locations demonstrates how serious this threat is and that the British government is moving quickly to shut down any attacks before they occur.
This increased threat level should be adopted throughout Europe and the USA because of the indiscriminate manner in which ISIS launches it’s attacks using lone wolf adherents.
In the “War of Terror”taking place in Syria, ISIS militarily is on the brink of defeat and knows it. ISIS Commanders have redirected their fighters and followers to take the fight to the “Infidel” (sic) nations by sending it’s troops back to their countries of origin.
Security agencies throughout the world have anticipated this event and now that time has arrived.
In the United Kingdom security forces are preparing for this by adopting a defensive position. This in effect will not fully contain the threat.
Security agencies will need to raise the bar higher and take a more proactive approach to closing out the threat from returning mujahadin.
Security agencies need to throw out the net in a co- ordinated campaign. Ground flights before they depart, pull in arrivals before they settle, lock suspects down before they can network and communicate.
All nations that have experienced these attacks, including Russia and Israel, need to set aside their differences and talk frankly between themselves and share information.
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May 24, 2017 8:42pm
- Reid
  
  The rise in status of the threat level suggests that JTAC is aware that a series of attacks by ISIS may be in progress.
  
  Or alternatively an election is coming up and it looks really good if May can pretend to be The Iron Lady if only a little bit because you can be certain a few idiots will be completely and utterly fooled, and every vote counts, don’tchaknow.
  
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  May 24, 2017 8:54pm
  - KevinH
    
    Theresa May is showing leadership at this difficult time by taking appropriate steps to counter the threat that ISIS inspired terrorists present to the public at large,
    Idiots are not well known for their political participation, they generally lack the intelligence to vote and are more likely to inhabit chat rooms and blogs where they air their ridiculous views.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:43pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I hope May isn’t virtue signalling.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:23pm
mikenmild

This will explain much about the Godnutters:
http://www.iflscience.com/brain/study-suggests-atheists-are-more-intelligent-because-they-can-override-religious-instinct-/
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May 24, 2017 8:53pm
- Reid
  
  I must say mm one of the things I find most challenging about my faith is understanding how a loving, wise and intelligent Creator could not only design profound idiots like you and stephie but inflict people such as both of you on the rest of us.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:00pm
  - mikenmild
    
    ‘Loving’ creator, huh?
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_people_God_has_personally_killed
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:11pm
    - Reid
      
      Yes mm. The question of evil is something many struggle with and there is of course many satisfactory answers, after all, how could religion survive for thousands of years if there wasn’t to such an obvious question?
      
      But it does take both a good heart and a good mind to find them. That’s possibly why you struggle.
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:15pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Goodness, even a bigoted old atheist like me can see that the “study” is a load of speculative poo.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:03pm
  - mikenmild
    
    You disagree that a meta-analysis of studies shows a negative correlation between religion and intelligence?
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:08pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Well as they are working on Kanazawa’s hypothesis, then I must concede defeat.
      Kanazawa has stated that intelligent people are more likely to be left-wing, childless, homosexual atheists.
      
      http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2012/06/quick-study-satoshi-kanazawa-intelligence
      
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      May 24, 2017 9:43pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      You disagree that a meta-analysis….?
      
      Generally, yes. The [usually] large domain of material allows the author to cherry-pick meta-analysis which supports their presupposition.
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:51pm
  - Reid
    
    Well, it is commended by mm Maggy.
    
    Stupid is as stupid does is something I think mm might have mistaken for a goal at some stage, and no-one has ever bothered to explain it to him.
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:08pm
  - nasska
    
    Couldn’t agree more. It’s well known that a sub room temperature IQ is a strong indicator of religious delusions. 🙂
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:09pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      I’ll seek confirmation of this from the PhD’s at our church 😉
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:53pm
wiseowl

It’s worth watching the Bolt Report on now.
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May 24, 2017 9:09pm
- mikenmild
  
  Is that some kind of hardware show?
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:14pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Usain you don’t know? 🙂
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:55pm
jonar

Muslim response to Manchester attack.

http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/23/muslims-unite-to-condemn-ariana-grande-manchester-terror-attack-6655366/

The truth was very different as dozens of Muslims in Manchester rushed to help those caught up in the attack.

Muslim taxi drivers turned off their meters and offered free rides to people, Muslim NHS workers worked throughout the night treating the injured and Muslim locals offered up rooms for free.

The Muslim Council of Britain called the Manchester attack ‘horrific’ and ‘criminal’.
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May 24, 2017 9:12pm
- Kimbo
  
  Thanks jonar. But is unwelcome news around here lately as per the mob response
  
  1. They are drawing the spotlight to themselves as victims (ignore the fact that for the last 36 hours Kiwibloggers have been posting, “what is the Muslim response? Crickets chirping…”)
  
  2. They are trying to fool us with taqiyyah
  
  3. It is not enough
  
  4. They are virtue-signalling
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:27pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    There are 4 types of deceptions in Islam.
    
    1) Taqiyya – Taqiyya allows Muslims to lie or conceal their true faith, feelings, thoughts, plans, and character, for the purpose of protecting themselves. It is fully based on Quran and is agreed to and practiced by all major sects of Islam.
    
    “When it is possible to achieve an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible, and lying is obligatory if the goal is obligatory.”
    
    2) Tawriya – Tawriya allows Muslims to “creatively lie” by being purposely ambiguous about the real meaning of what they are saying.
    
    Example
    “You are getting it wrong/ You are taking it out of context/ Ohh it’s not the real meaning of that verse.”
    
    You wouldn’t search context in case of a wife beating husband? would you? But there’s verse in Quran for this too, a man can legally beat any of his wives from whom he senses arrogance or disobedience.
    
    Here’s the verse,
    https://quran.com/4/34
    
    3. Kitman – Kitman is a term that means Muslims are permitted to tell half-truths, or partial truths, while concealing the greater whole truth. Discussion of “jihad” as being only an “inner” or “spiritual” struggle is an example of Kitman, as technically it is true that jihad refers to spiritual struggle, but conceals the very real physical aspect that is also encompassed by jihad. When the whole world becomes muslim, then jihad will only mean spiritual struggle, but since it’s not, physical struggle is encouraged in Quran, the few muslims who chose the path of physical jihad are called “martyrs” and will be granted access to heaven in consideration, physical struggle is allowed to get disbelievers on the right path i.e Islam !
    
    4. Muruna – Muruna is perhaps the biggest deception practiced by Muslims, as it allows them to be “flexible” regarding the commands of their faith in order to properly blend in with the society around them. Muruna permits Muslims to shave their beards, wear Western clothing, listen to Western music, and even drink alcohol.
    All of these deceptions go against specific commandments, as well as the overarching commandment against lying itself, that are found in the Quran. But they are allowed so long as their use contributes to a greater goal or serves a greater commandment within the Quran, like spreading Islam among the disbelievers.
    
    (Note – Not all western muslims know about Muruna or Kitman, especially the younger generation in this case, but the older generation and especially the islamic preachers & debaters very well know about all 4 deceptions and accordingly use it to their advantage.)
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:09pm
    - sam green
      
      Read it properly people.
      
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taqiya
      
      A lot of what Rodney Randell relays is from some dubious sites.
      
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      May 24, 2017 10:40pm
- sam green
  
  Thank you jonar.
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:43pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Muslim NHS workers worked throughout the night treating the injured “….
  
  What a service. First we maim you then we operate on you.
  
  Any Muslim undertakers advertising too?
  
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  May 24, 2017 9:47pm
  - stephieboy
    
    nasska, mindless rant of the day !
    
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    May 24, 2017 9:55pm
sam green

http://africasacountry.com/2015/05/when-akala-called-out-britains-racism-on-frankie-boyles-show/

Helpful for any of you?
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May 24, 2017 9:32pm
- Jack5
  
  Racist whining from Boyle. Too victimist, too politically correct, too Leftist for broadcasting even by the Lefty, politically correct, perpetually apologetic BBC.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:46pm
  - sam green
    
    Obviously you didn’t watch the video. And Frankie Boyle is hardly a whiner.
    
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    May 24, 2017 11:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Mikenmild

Brushed up on your Kanazawa-savanna yet?

Not much difference between his views and those of most psychobabbler racists as far as I can see…..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Kanazawa

but hey, what would I know?….(being a middle-of-the road, pasty-white, heterosexual, atheistic mother)
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May 24, 2017 10:17pm
stephieboy

Maggy Wassilieff ,way,way past your bedtime .
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May 24, 2017 10:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Old ladies don’t need much sleep.
  
  besides, I wouldn’t want to let you lefties go byebyes with misconceptions short-circuiting your synapses.
  
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  May 24, 2017 10:25pm
  - sam green
    
    Stephieboy represents one opinion Maggy – much like yourself.
    
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    May 24, 2017 10:42pm
    - Jack5
      
      Not really, Sam Green.
      
      Varying style, grammar and command of English in the Stephieboys posts indicates this is a syndicate posting under the name “Stephieboy”.
      
      Maggy Wassilieff brings an individual’s opinion and knowledge.
      
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      May 24, 2017 11:02pm
      - sam green
        
        Perhaps in your mind – but then again – you have been very obsessed about him. Anything you’d like to tell us?
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:07pm
      - Jack5
        
        Sam Green asks at 11.07:
        
        …Anything you’d like to tell us?
        
        Ah, the royal “we”. On whose behalf do you presume to speak, Sam?
        
        Your posts don’t indicate they are the work of varying posters. Do you often refer to yourself in the plural? That’s quite revealing.
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:18pm
      - sam green
        
        Stop being a pompous twat Jack5. You are sooo obviously gay. Such an obsession. Who’d have thought?
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:24pm
      - Jack5
        
        Down to ad hominem stuff, Sam?
        
        Not much ammunition in your mental locker, is there?
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:37pm
      - sam green
        
        Sorry if you think that’s a personal attack. Guess you’re not out. Sorry.
        
        I know you’ve never got over the fact that I called your shit on the value of immigrants to the horticulture industry.
        
        Just relax. Sometimes you’re wrong. C’est la vie.
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:42pm
      - Jack5
        
        The value of immigrants to the horticulture industry?
        
        Sam, it’s a long time ago, but do I recall correctly that you were a horticulturist in a modest way defending the use of cheap imported labour?
        
        A politically correct Leftist who benefits from cheap labour? Torn between a Che Guevara self-image and the reality of being a rural capitalist?
        
        Or am I recalling the wrong poster?
        
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        May 24, 2017 11:54pm
      - sam green
        
        Awww look – you’ve trawled back and created a new spin. You couldn’t cope with the fact that migrant people have contributed to our economy.
        
        Defending the use of cheap labour you say? What – are you paying rates lower than the law? That’s not something I would defend. I’m an honest citizen Jack5 even if you’re not.
        
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        May 25, 2017 12:06am
      - Jack5
        
        Good night Sam.
        
        Here’s a lullaby. If I’ve guessed your politics wrong, it’s still a good song:
        
        https://youtu.be/IxurdoPFMCI
        
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        May 25, 2017 12:24am
      - sam green
        
        What’s your self image Jack5 – a thin lipped mutation of Ayn Rand and Enoch Powell? Sleep tight with that image clutched in your paws.
        
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        May 25, 2017 12:27am
krazykiwi

This is outstanding news:

US eliminates funding for UN global warming programs.

Turn of the money tap, and help the troughers, eco-nazi’s and confirmation-bias enabled scientists to find another occupation
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May 24, 2017 11:04pm
- mikenmild
  
  Yes, all those pesky scientists will find different data now…
  
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  May 25, 2017 6:44am
  - Manolo
    
    Always a possibility. ?
    
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    May 25, 2017 6:49am
Manolo

Even our multiculturalist is impressed:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/trump_administration/prez_track_may24
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May 25, 2017 6:44am
- mikenmild
  
  538 grades Rasmussen as ‘C’ and gives an average disapproval rating for Trump of 55% (39% approval).
  Sad!
  
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  May 25, 2017 6:53am
EAD

I see the NZ Herald is again promoting anti-nature race mixing.

We need to go back in time to listen to wise men who warned against such folly:

“All is race; there is no other truth ,and every race must fall which carelessly suffers its blood to become mixed.”

And

“But the loss of racial purity will wreck inner happiness for ever. It degrades men for all time to come. And the physical and moral consequences can never be wiped out.

If this unique problem be studied and compared with the other problems of life we shall easily recognize how small is their importance in comparison with this. They are all limited to time; but the problem of the maintenance or loss of the purity of the racial blood will last as long as man himself lasts.”

And

“No man will treat with indifference the principle of race. It is the key to history, and why history is often so confused is that it has been written by men who are ignorant of this principle and all the knowledge it involves. . . Language and religion do not make a race–there is only one thing which makes a race, and that is blood.”
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