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William of Ockham

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Comey will testify in a congressional hearing on 24 May at 9.30 AM.

Goney by Christmas … Potus orangutan insanus.
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May 18, 2017 8:01am
- oldpark
  
  Yes, gone by Christmas 2024 !
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:03am
- holysheet
  
  Goney by niney …30 Votus downtikus vuillage insanus idiotus.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:03am
- Inandout
  
  That may bring relief to the Washington careerists, but what of the real working people who want jobs? If we had a new PM who decided to clean out the public service and make it more efficient, that PM would be crucified by the media. There are so many leeches sucking on the public tit, supported almost entirely by a compliant media, that Trump faces as almost impossible hurdle.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:16am
- Ross12
  
  WoO.
  Go to yesterday’s GD and read the post by trout at 3.30 giving a legal view of the issue by Greg Jarrett.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:23am
- Huevon
  
  The womanish hysteria of the media and leftists against Trump is getting very tiresome.
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:24am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    womanish?
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:47am
    - Kimbo
      
      Indeed. However, while it is an adjective, not an adverb, nonetheless it is still unnecessary and excessive, even redundant. By definition there is no other type of “hysteria”:
      
      the word “hysteria” originates from the Greek word for uterus, hystera
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hysteria
      
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      May 18, 2017 9:53am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Akin to someone saying verdant green then, she replies with hysterical laughter?
        
        Anyway back on topic, the USA is the snake swallowing its own tail. Its enemies will be poising themselves to strike while it is deemed weak. Weak because the establishment hobble the President.
        Let the man get on with his job.
        Think what he could have delivered, without the nay sayers. I still do not understand why anyone sane would object to the proposed travel bans.
        
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        May 18, 2017 10:13am
  - waikatogirl
    
    womanish, is that a reference to those men who aren’t as manly as other males?
    
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    May 18, 2017 12:43pm
- All_on_Red
  
  So the Director of the FBI got pressured to drop an investigation and he did nothing about it?
  Gee, good thing he got fired then. Lol
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/17/nyts-comey-memo-story-doesnt-pass-smell-test/?utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:34am
  - Ross12
    
    And the conversation between Trump and Comey came 3 weeks after, none other than the Washington Post, reported in bold headlines that the FBI had found nothing illicit with Flynn’s dealings with the Russians.
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:40am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Well there’s this: “The Comey memo offers no proof for impeachment of Trump”
  
  http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/333764-opinion-the-comey-memo-offers-zero-proof-to-impeach
  
  or this: “… If Comey Memo Is Real and He Held It and Did Not Turn It Over – He May Be Prosecuted”
  
  http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/05/oops-comey-memo-real-held-not-turn-may-prosecuted/
  
  but sure, people who enjoy being lied to – still believe CNN or Washington Post … enjoy your propaganda!
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:15am
  - Manolo
    
    Pass the Kool Aid, shouts DPF. 😀
    
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    May 18, 2017 12:47pm
KevOB

Where is Sam Irwin? he was the gentlemanly, erudite lawyer Senator who led the Nixon impeachment process. I watched the whole proceedings at the time on TV.

The situation in the USA has gotten out of hand. There is only hate and rogue government activists trying to have their will and probably have a global nuclear war.
This is madness. It affects us. God help us. Do your bit too.
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May 18, 2017 8:03am
- Swifty
  
  Ervin.
  
  And, yeah, I could listen to him for hours.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:09am
- Kimbo
  
  I think you meant Sam Ervin (sorry, pedants gotta be pedants!) 😉
  
  But not according to Richard Nixon on the phone to Ervin “You’re out to get me! You’re out to get me!”. (He wasn’t impressed by the Ervin Committee’s propensity to…leak to the press. Was always Nixon’s problem/obsession, right from the time of the Pentagon Papers. I digress.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:09am
  - KevOB
    
    You’re right.
    I watched the whole coverage on American Samoa TV. There was a two week delay. The integrity of the proceedings was impressive.
    
    That is what is lacking now. Any President has the right to expect loyalty and honesty in those serving him or her. One of the first things that will happen when Prince Charles succeeds will be the immediate swearing of loyalty by family and the highest officers of state to the new Monarch. This is not just the English Royals family traditions. Any doubt that it could not be taken meant at least no place at Court or immediate removal. The breach of such oath actively or implied was an invitation to war or an appointment in the Tower.
    
    At the top of government actual loyalty still has to be required. The digital age has implications too. Journalist can write what they like in the sanctuary of their own computers but dissemination of opinion or a statement, actual news or not affecting the operation of the head of State may be an implicit act of treason or war against the head. There cannot be a an unfettered right to impugn the integrity of the HOS that is to deny the headship and there cannot be two kings. One must remove the other. The right to govern is the right to be able to govern and it is the people who are governed so the whole state is affected by any disturbance. Such disturbance may also offer opportunities for external enemies to act as well. Imagine in Tudor England a purported herald on horseback in a town square reciting genealogies to show the King was not rightfully on the throne. That is no different: factual truth is irrelevant in the wrong forum but disturbance of order is not.
    
    Why is this not obvious to the Americans? This applies across all societies both in time and place. It is even manifest in animal society.
    
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    May 18, 2017 10:39am
    - Kimbo
      
      Prince Charles succeeds will be the immediate swearing of fealty by family and the highest officers of state to the new Monarch. This is not just the English Royals family traditions. Any doubt that it could not be taken meant at least no place at Court or immediate removal. The breach of such oath actively or implied was an invitation to war or an appointment in the Tower.
      
      At the top of government actual loyalty still has to be required.
      
      Ah, but the Americans and their wonderful revolution means they rejected the malleable pragmatism of Westminster democracy for their codified constitution. So instead of swearing allegiance to a person such as QEII (“God bless you ma’am and all who sail in her!”), they sign up to a set of abstract principles…that are open to individual interpretation and justification.
      
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      May 18, 2017 10:58am
      - KevOB
        
        But a Head of State still has to enforce that position or there is no State. External enemies have always jumped in when the Head is in jeopardy. (No reference to Russia is intended or implied.)
        
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        May 18, 2017 3:07pm
      - Kimbo
        
        “Enforce” what? Loyalty? Good luck. Presidents, especially unpopular/polarising ones have always struggled with that. What would you suggest? Throwing those whom they consider disobedient in jail, or dismissing the entire public service?
        They are, after all, a democracy with constitutional safeguards, plus also the practical problems to confronting an intransigent bureaucracy.
        
        As per the Commander-in-Chief who wrote to Union General George B. McClellan, when he refused to advance his army of the Potomac against Confederate General Robert E Lee’s Army of Northeen Virginia:
        
        “If you don’t want to use the army, I should like to borrow it for a while. Yours respectfully, A. Lincoln.”
        
        And others around here such as tom hunter were warning, before Trump took office that as a tolerate-no-disloyalty-or-questioning business executive, he would encounter the same problem that Truman predicted former-army General Dwight Eisenhower would encounter when he became President:
        
        Truman said “He’ll sit right here and he’ll say do this, do that! And nothing will happen. Poor Ike—it wont be a bit like the Army. He’ll find it very frustrating.”
        
        So Trump was warned, but he said he could deal with it. Waiting…
        
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        May 18, 2017 3:31pm
- jms
  
  It’s an entertaining, harmless show.
  
  In a few years, you’ll all look back and laugh.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:11am
Captain Mainwaring

Was this a wise investment?
I was advised by a former crew member (now sadly deceased) of this rustbucket that any prospective passengers seeing what there is below decks would soon change their minds.
And it’s a bow-loader, a configuration not really suited to pounding into Cook Strait southerlies.
What happened to the old-fashioned concept of buying purpose-built new vessels, or have we been taken over by the used import mentality?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/business/92708443/kiwirail-swoops-on-opportunity-to-buy-nzs-largest-ferry
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May 18, 2017 8:04am
- mikenmild
  
  I can only imagine what people might say on Kiwiblog should the government inject a few hundred million more into Kiwirail to buy a purpose-built ferry.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:07am
- peterwn
  
  Last time the Railways built a new ferry it was arguably almost a disaster. The price paid for this one would have reflected the condition and at a guess would have been around 10% of the cost of a new non-rail ferry. I guess the ferry was put on the market by the owners and railways risked losing it in 2020 (presumably no right of renewal) if it did not buy the ferry as the second hand ferry market is going through a lean cycle.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:29am
  - peterwn
    
    Reading between the lines the lease had an option to buy and railways risked losing it in 2020 if it did not exercise the option to buy.
    
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    May 18, 2017 8:37am
- GazzaW
  
  No doubt there will be questions in the House from Winston Peters – world expert on car ferries.
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:58am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And anything else that catches his fancy and a microphone, Huka Falls lodge anyone?
    
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    May 18, 2017 10:20am
Shaun the Sheep

http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11857631
Someone crashes very distinctive car. Declines to comment to journalist (/sarc) who now has photo and needs column inches. After failing to establish the actual ownership of the vehicle (that would have cost about 3 bucks – I didn’t research that either) the desk jockey fills his ‘writing’ with stuff trawled from social media.
That is just stalking. Creepy, creepy stalking.
This article even starts a sentence with that blatant admission of journalistic incompetence –
“It is unclear whether …..” (translation: I can’t tell from my desk and I’m too lazy to get off the chair so I’m making this up)
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May 18, 2017 8:08am
- Callum
  
  To be fair, you can now block access to ownership records. So if the driver and the local dealer won’t confirm ownership you can’t legally find out.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:40am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    If it’s a dealer demonstrator it will be around the morning tea room at every dealership in town.
    Shouldn’t be too hard to find out.
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:10am
    - Callum
      
      Every dealership may know, but the reporter is right to report that neither the driver or car dealer will confirm ownership. Otherwise they are just reporting rumour, which is what they shouldn’t be doing.
      
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      May 18, 2017 9:30am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        And when has that ever stopped them?
        
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        May 18, 2017 10:11am
      - Callum
        
        So you’re complaining because they didn’t report rumours?
        
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        May 18, 2017 10:26am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    A D-Plate would be a clue for anyone who really gave a sh*t. I am not that person.
    
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    May 18, 2017 11:27am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Not true. Demonstrators are almost always registered, whether you give a sh*t or not.
      
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      May 18, 2017 11:42am
- gump
  
  You lose the right to privacy when you drive like a lunatic and endanger the people around you.
  
  There are multiple eyewitness reports about what this clown was doing before he caused the accident.
  
  The newspaper is doing a public service by naming and shaming this idiot.
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:16am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Speaking of idiots and having one at the top of the page, anyone seen our Penny of late?
    
    I know I know, ‘don’t poke that stingray Steve, it not doing anything or hurting anybody’
    
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    May 18, 2017 10:24am
    - sooty
      
      Go on! Poke it with a bloody big stick! (other wise you may get poo finger)
      
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      May 18, 2017 4:20pm
SteveEEE

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447693/fake-news-media-voters-shared-reality-must-be-acknowledged

The above is from the conservative National Review and deals with an issue much loved by some of the people who comment on this site. A bit of calm reflection really does seem in order. If the link doesn’t work, the author is Kevin D Williamson and the title, “How to read the newspaper”.
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May 18, 2017 8:10am
- holysheet
  
  Not false news?
  NBC News anchor Brian Williams was suspended Tuesday for six months without pay after admitting that he wrongly reported being under fire during the Iraq war.
  
  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/10/brian-williams-nbc-news-anchor-suspended-6-months-/
  Give me a break, if your going to post false news about false news then you better get all your ducks in a row.
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:57am
  - gump
    
    The guy was caught, immediately suspended, and lost wages of $5 million for his inaccurate reporting.
    
    That shows the MSM can detect problems and resolve them. Does it not?
    
    You’re also quoting a two year old article. I assume you can’t find a more contemporary example?
    
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    May 18, 2017 11:44am
    - holysheet
      
      Not of the top of my head No.
      
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      May 18, 2017 11:56am
Paulus

Is it just me or are we seeing the destruction of the USA by itself – self flagellation appears to be the watchword.
The world led by Putin are waking up every morning with a larger grin on his face that the previous day.
Do you imagine that Russia and China do not know everything that goes on in Washington and their pony the Washington Post are trying to recoup their Nixon story.
It is very sad to see the numerous geriatric, very rich Congressmen, and Senator, men and women, prostrate and wet themselves because they do not like the man the Constitution voted for. He is not one of them.
In fact I do not like him but that is irrelevant. I have not like some New Zealand Prime Ministers and have met a number, but they have been duly and correctly elected.
These people believe that they are the gift to the Country – not the President elected under the Constitution.
It is laughable if it were not serious of the degrees of confidential information being leaked by senior people who are paid to run the departments of the White House see Comey now ratting because he lost his job at which even Hillary said he was incompetent.
Obviously some people are being subporned by outside interests probably by blackmail or money – the root of all that is the USA and has been for many years – over there they talk in Billions of dollars – the rest is petty cash outside Washington.
Having worked with a number of USA companies offshore I am not really surprised. I saw top Executives fighting between themselves on a one up basis out sheer arrogance. Was fun to watch at the time but has consequently moved in a sad way now.
God Bless America ! – nobody else will.
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May 18, 2017 8:17am
- Kimbo
  
  These people believe that they are the gift to the Country – not the President elected under the Constitution.
  It is laughable if it were not serious of the degrees of confidential information being leaked by senior people who are paid to run the departments of the White House see Comey now ratting because he lost his job at which even Hillary said he was incompetent.
  
  Don’t disagree that since Watergate the attempt to crimialise the policy differences of your political opponents has been a lazy-default setting, with the press willing to stoke, or even initiate that story. And leaking ? Well, Daniel Ellsberg who leaked the Pentagon Papers never went to prison, indeed he was treated as a hero, whereas Nixon’s plumbers did serve time. And arguably even the famed “Deep Throat”, Mark Felt leaked not for any altruistic patriotic reason, but because he was passed over by Nixon to replace J Edgar Hoover’s as Director of the FBI.
  
  However, the POTUS is not the same as our PM. Much more powers, more like (as the framers of the US constitution envisaged) an 18th Century monarch, who needs checks and balances and limits in their exercise of power. Arguably what is happening now is how they planned those checks and balances to work…
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:16am
  - SGA
    
    more like (as the framers of the US constitution envisaged) an 18th Century monarch, who needs checks and balances and limits in their exercise of power. Arguably what is happening now is how they planned those checks and balances to work…
    
    I tend to agree, which is why I’ve always thought Trump’s reign would be neither the end of the world as we know it nor the dawn of a dramatically new political era.
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:35am
    - Kimbo
      
      I doubt Trump will prove as capable as “Old Hickory”, but an examination of the Presidency and general conduct of populist Andrew Jackson confirms that an uncouth outsider rattling the cage of Washington is nothing new. And the impeachment of Andrew Johnson for what today look like ephemera and partisan technicalities too.
      
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      May 18, 2017 9:44am
- KevOB
  
  Couldn’t have said it better myself.
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:49am
Keeping Stock

Vic Parking will be delighted to know that far from learning to commit political harakiri, Bill English has had a very productive time in Japan:

With dozens of Japanese and New Zealand flags lining the street outside his official residence, it was perhaps fitting that Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe described the two countries as “flagbearers of free trade”.

After the spectacle of Abe’s meeting with Prime Minister Bill English, including a guard of honour complete with an Imperial guards clad in white and equipped with bayonets, the TPP’s flag was also flying high.

English described his meeting with Abe as “better than I expected” when it came to the fate of the free trade deal.

Speaking through a translator, Abe said the countries would continue to work closely together with the aim of “early realisation of TPP”.

For his part, English praised Abe’s leadership in reviving the deal, after Japan’s initial reluctance to carry on with a “TPP11” following the withdrawal of the United States under President Donald Trump.

“At this time of international uncertainty, it’s more important than ever for outward-looking trading countries like New Zealand and Japan who state their principles clearly to demonstrate our commitment to international trade and regional economic integration.”

One sign of the determination to get the deal through is the reluctance to change the original text, with English saying renegotiations would undercut plans to have it in force by the first half of next year as originally intended.

“For those who want to see it actually happen early then there’s no question, as I put to him that there can’t be any more changes than some technical changes to allow for the implementation without the US.”

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/05/17/28476/trade-flag-flying-high-after-english-abe-meeting

This is great news for New Zealand. Many of the objections to the text of the TPP were due to the participation of the US, so in many ways it is advantageous not having the USA as part of TPP11.

There is certainly huge potential for exporters to benefit from the progressive removal of tarrifs from Japan, and better access to Japanese markets.

What will be really interesting now is to see how Labour responds, and whether the absence of the US from TPP11 will actually see them revert to being supportive of free trade as they were in the latter days of the Clark era.
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May 18, 2017 8:37am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Labour, plus the Greens, Jane Kelsey, Penny and all the other opponents of the TPP will now get in behind it as the evil USA is not involved.
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:14am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    That remains to be seen Captain. And I doubt whether the MP for Green Parrot will support it, given his party voted against the China FTA in 2008, even though he was Foreign Minister at the time, supposedly articulating the Clark government’s foreign policy!
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:21am
- VicParking
  
  I was wrong it was Donald who was given a sword.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:18am
VicParking

The failing newspapers reporter has come out with an “opinion” story slagging the governments latest housing release: Fran O’Sullivan: Blurry facts fanning housing hysteria http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11857926
Halfway through the story she states: “I’m not picking on Adams.”(Amy). “Adams is not the only politician to benefit from massaged press statements.” Ahh now she is going to slam Angry Andy for his 100,000 imposibility or his own house stuff up. NO.
She just takes a breath and continues he slam the government. Another example of lefty reporters who do not understand balanced reporting.
I feel bad about reading it on line, can’t use it for kitty litter
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May 18, 2017 8:40am
Longknives

Manning released from Prison after playing the ‘LGBTQ’ card-

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11858113

I bet Robert Hanssen wishes he had thought of chucking on a dress and some lipstick! Obama would have released him immediately.
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May 18, 2017 8:44am
EAD

Refreshingly honest (and uncensored!) top-rated comments on a Mainstream website on an article about a brave 81 year old man, who is not afraid to speak truth to power, imprisoned for 10 years for “breaking the nation’s Holocaust denial laws”

https://www.rt.com/news/388552-mahler-holocaust-denial-arrest/

Top rated comments:

“So if the holocaust is true, why is it illegal to question the facts and demand evidence?”

“Call God names and make jokes about religions and dead people and children crashed or drowned but anything Jewish or about 6 million lies and you’re incriminate in an instance. It’s not about what’s true or not, but the hypocritical approach!”

“Democracy at its best. In Iran they can discuss the holohoax with no threat of prison. Yet in freedom and democracy Germany you can’t even mention it. It really is an upside down world”

“They can imprison him but they cannot imprison the truth”

“Thought policing won’t work, people are already waking up. This poor old man is one of the last victims of an oppressive law”

Regardless whether you are a revisionist or not, imprisoning an 81 year man merely for speaking what he sees as the truth shows what a prison planet the poor people of Europe are living in as their historic nations get destroyed.
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May 18, 2017 8:45am
- jms
  
  Denying the Holocaust is dumb and insensitve. But I agree doing so should be tolerated under freedom of speech, as it is in the USA for example.
  
  Germany only has a very weak tradition of freedom of expression. It’s even a criminal offence to extend the middle finger at a speed camera there.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:59am
  - EAD
    
    Denying the Holocaust is dumb and insensitve.
    
    But surely if there is a body of evidence out there that says Jews didn’t suffer in gas chambers (because there were no such things) nor was the number that died in WWII above one, let alone the six million number drummed into us wouldn’t that actually be a good thing?
    
    If I found out the NZ casualty toll from WWI was 3k instead of 17k, then I’d be happy in that knowledge….
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:12am
  - stephieboy
    
    And here as well. Canada and Ausrialia too and many, many other countires , not forgetting Iran.
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:35am
Inandout

Hannity pretty much sums up what Trump is facing.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/17/sean-hannity-trump-faces-alliance-haters.html

Not a pretty scenario.
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May 18, 2017 8:47am
lastmanstanding

Fran is a washed up has been business reporter. She is full of her own bullshit and has only a tenuous grasp on the reality that is the business world in 2017.
She has no understanding fo the dynamics around the housing problem even though they are Economics 101.

Mind you the previous and current governments have no understanding which is why we are where we are now.

So go figure.
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May 18, 2017 8:48am
VicParking

Red Radio is ringing the bells to impeach Trump.
“The United States constitution sets up strict requirements for removal of a sitting president for transgressions of “treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors,” and a process that requires the consent of both the House and two-thirds of the Senate.”
Yes treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. That needs half of the Republican Senators, needed to get 2/3, wanting to loose the White house. Can’t see that happening unless Trump applys for Russian citizenship.
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May 18, 2017 8:49am
- Inandout
  
  Even the guy from Massey University on TV3 this morning pretty much said it was a high hurdle to get him impeached, despite much prompting from an excited Garner. In fact the Massey guy was very balanced in his views, but of course the sound bites on the 7.30 news update cherry picked the worst scenario of his interview. Well Trump is now going on an overseas tour to Saudi Arabia and Israel; oh the conspiracy stories that will provide.
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:02am
- Longknives
  
  President Trump must be losing sleep that a handful of Bone Carving wearing, Maori Language tryhard, Radio Show hacks in New Zealand are calling for his impeachment!
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:10am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Worth repeating the post of the day,
    
    ” Comey will testify in a congressional hearing on 24 May at 9.30 AM.
    
    Goney by Christmas … Potus orangutan insanus.”
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:36am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      You’re so clever Stephie, copying and pasting William’s “hidden” term or endearment. Go to the top of the class (Year 2).
      
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    Dont forget ho’s
    
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    May 18, 2017 11:21am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  There are no grounds for any impeachment charges… unless you live in la la believe your own bull shite Washington establishment media cabal bull doody land…
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:18am
DifferentPerspective

User manual for snowflakes

The ‘stupider than a stupid thing’ blog “the SpinOff” has de-evolved from the retarded, sanctimonious, hate spews of Emily Writes to a bunch of blether about dealing with your child’s anxiety.

Here is a small sample of the left-wing newspeak BS on offer..

Your sole aim is to create a safe space where they can release and explore their emotions and you can then reflect them back while helping to name them. Simply the act of labelling and reflecting emotions can reduce their power.

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But don’t worry there is still much hate-filled outrage on offer from good old Emily Writes – giving full vent to her entitlitis as a parent. Somehow she turns Mothers’ Day into a excuse for hating on everyone who isn’t her.

What drivel!
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May 18, 2017 8:52am
- SGA
  
  Never heard of it, not going looking for it. Why do you bother?
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:02am
lastmanstanding

US governance is a lost cause and has been for several decades. Its been slowly declining since the Reagan administration ripping itself to shreds aided and abetted by pollies and Federal employees all ignoring the principles of good governance in order to achieve their own selfish agenda.

The great irony not lost on students of good governance is the principle that pollies and state employees all serve the citizens acting in the best interests of ALL citizens putting aside their own partisan agendas in order to achieve good governance.

Ultimately as we saw with Rome and other recent events that dare not speak its name for fear of Godwins Law when good governance breaks down societies fail ans crumble.
IMHO the US is at the tipping point and unless sanity is restored to Washington very soon Us governance will collapse followed soon after by its civil society.
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May 18, 2017 8:58am
- stephieboy
  
  IMHO you post utter rot .
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:38am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Kettle, Pot
    
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    May 18, 2017 12:48pm
  - KevOB
    
    What are you missing in basic understanding? Citizens cannot attack their President and still maintain an orderly state. Citizens are not required to love their rulers but they have to respect them. To avoid civil wars we have developed processes allowing periodic orderly change. That has been hard won over a long time. The present oppose, oppose, oppose is a reversion which take the USA back again. Out of civil wars come opportunities for external enemies to intervene. Be careful before disturbing the peace. In doubt read the history of Tudor England.
    
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    May 18, 2017 3:17pm
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Most of Europe should just tell Merkel to F off.
  
  Meanwhile President Trump is working alongside many middle eastern leaders to help stabilize the ME…. oh, didn’t know that? Here’s some info:
  
  https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/05/16/president-trump-preps-for-meetings-with-mid-east-alliance-members-joint-arab-intervention-force/
  
  where’s the media story about this eh?!
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:21am
- KevOB
  
  I’m not sure that it hasn’t already tipped.
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:55am
Manolo

Mamma Merkel plays hard ball:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4515262/Merkel-British-EU-immigration-cap-price.html

Angela Merkel has warned that Britain will have to pay a ‘price’ if we limit the numbers of immigrants allowed in from the EU post-Brexit.

The German chancellor said her suggestion ‘isn’t malicious’ but an ‘obstacle’ would be created to compensate the remaining 27 EU member states if such a policy emerged.
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May 18, 2017 9:09am
- GazzaW
  
  German chancellors have a recurring habit of telling Britain that she will have to pay a price and it hasn’t worked out too well for them on previous occasions.
  
  Go Theresa!
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:10am
Maggy Wassilieff

Red Pill on offer
https://www.rt.com/op-edge/388730-putin-washington-red-pill/
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May 18, 2017 9:17am
- Ross12
  
  That’s really putting the “cat among the chickens” Maggy !
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilieff,
  
  oh dear the appeal of Kremlin contolled state TV.
  
  Sigh !
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:39am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh well, read similar in “The Washington Post”, then.
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/putin-offers-to-provide-congress-with-details-of-trump-disclosures-to-russian-envoys/2017/05/17/80485ffe-3af6-11e7-a058-ddbb23c75d82_story.html?utm_term=.70664b3295e8
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:57am
Jack5

It will be hard to top this hype, in an article in the Hooerald about borrowing to fund infrastructure projects:

“I just think the genie is out of the bottle with New Zealand,” says Nicholas Ross, country head for UBS New Zealand. “People are just going to keep coming and coming and coming.”

“If there was ever a time to be bold and to borrow a bit more this is it,” he adds.

Mr Ross should remember there is a general election in a few months, and immigration will be a key issue.
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May 18, 2017 9:20am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , Muslim immigration ?
  
  By whom ?
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:41am
Manolo

Your imagination is running amok, stephieboy.
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May 18, 2017 9:22am
cmm

An interesting doco on Japanese prisons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBd5WhTi_CI

It’s very militaristic and “boot-camp” like.

Makes sense – people only get into prison after a long chain of poor decision making. If you want to fix them then you need to re-program them to make better decisions.

They cut the prisoners off from their families and the outside (unlike us who encourage connection to the outside). This makes sense – their offending is somewhat a result of their outside environment and they need to be removed from that environment to be able to reform. Keeping prisoners connected to the environment that partially caused their offending just sets them up to fail.

Their recidivism rate is about half ours, so something is working.
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May 18, 2017 9:38am
- stephieboy
  
  cmm , this post about the doco might give you extra inspiration,
  
  Melvin Bonzarelli 2 days ago
  ” No negroes, so the prison is able to function in a civilized manner.”
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:45am
  - holysheet
    
    Well when you think about it stupidboy there might be some truth in that statement. If 50%+ of our prison numbers are natives, and we have a high recidivism rate, could it not be because of the higher native numbers. After all they are like you, not very bright. One could say they are stupid.
    
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    May 18, 2017 10:07am
- MCos
  
  I talked to a Thai chef who’d overstayed his visa in Japan by about nine years and was eventually locked up six months or so.
  He didn’t mind the experience at all, he said. Thai prisons, from what I’m told, are brutal. So maybe that was what he was comparing it to.
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:08am
Manolo

A valid question:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/05/17/does-donald-trump-still-want-to-be-president.html

The president, in his first four months in office, has accomplished much of which to be proud. Like Ronald Reagan, his optimism about America’s future is contagious. The stock market, which many predicted would tank if he were elected, has rebounded convincingly. Consumer confidence is up. Several major employers have announced that they will create thousands of jobs in America.

But his random tweets, his crude public use of insults and threats, his blatant disregard for decorum and integrity of the office of president, raise questions about his willingness to fulfill those duties for the long run.
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May 18, 2017 9:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Another valid question from a former Trump supporter,
  
  “It is not squishy New York Times conservatives who regard the president as a child, an intellectual void, a hopeless case, a threat to national security,” Douthat wrote. “It is people who are self-selected loyalists, who supported him in the campaign, who daily go to work for him.”
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/92710411/i-think-were-
  in-impeachment-territory-says-david-gergen-former-aide-to-ni
  xon-and-clinton
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:49am
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  Oh yes, President Trump has achieved quite a large amount. Such as…
  
  1. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it. Then he bombed Syria.
  
  2. He said he’d build a wall along the border with Mexico. You bought it. Now his secretary of homeland security says “It’s unlikely that we will build a wall.”
  
  3. He said he’d clean the Washington swamp. You bought it. Then he brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses.
  
  4. He said he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “wonderful.” You bought it. Then he didn’t.
  
  5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it. Then he created the most chaotic, dysfunctional, back-stabbing White House in modern history, in which no one is in charge.
  
  6. He said he’d release his tax returns, eventually. You bought it. He hasn’t, and says he never will.
  
  7. He said he’d divest himself from his financial empire, to avoid any conflicts of interest. You bought it. He remains heavily involved in his businesses, makes money off of foreign dignitaries staying at his Washington hotel, gets China to give the Trump brand trademark and copyright rights, manipulates the stock market on a daily basis, and has more conflicts of interest than can even be counted.
  
  8. He said Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs, and would do whatever they said. You bought it. Then he put half a dozen Goldman Sachs executives in positions of power in his administration.
  
  9. He said he’d surround himself with all the best and smartest people. You bought it. Then he put Betsy DeVos, opponent of public education, in charge of education; Jeff Sessions, opponent of the Voting Rights Act, in charge of voting rights; Ben Carson, opponent of the Fair Housing Act, in charge of fair housing; Scott Pruitt, climate change denier, in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency; and Russian quisling Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State.
  
  10. He said he’d faithfully execute the law. You bought it. Then he said his predecessor, Barack Obama, spied on him, without any evidence of Obama ever doing so, in order to divert attention from the FBI’s investigation into collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives to win the election.
  
  11. He said he knew more about strategy and terrorism than the generals did. You bought it. Then he green lighted a disastrous raid in Yemen- even though his generals said it would be a terrible idea. This raid resulted in the deaths of a Navy SEAL, an 8-year old American girl, and numerous civilians. The actual target of the raid escaped, and no useful intel was gained
  
  12. He called Barack Obama “the vacationer-in-Chief” and accused him of playing more rounds of golf than Tiger Woods. He promised to never be the kind of president who took cushy vacations on the taxpayer’s dime, not when there was so much important work to be done. You bought it. He has by now spent more taxpayer money on vacations than Obama did in the first 3 years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business.
  
  13. He called CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times “fake news” and said they were his enemy. You bought it. Now he gets his information from Fox News, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, and InfoWars.
  
  Please don’t get me wrong, I consider myself to be somewhat more of a right leaning centrist than a liberal or leftie, but I am very pragmatic in outlook, and I know incompetence when I see it.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:57am
  - All_on_Red
    
    1. He changed his mind when children were gassed. You got a problem with that?
    2. Contractors are building there examples of the wall as part of the bidding process
    3. Apart from himself there is only one Billionaire in the Cabinet. De Vos is married to one but he inherited it. Only one person is ex Goldman Sachs. Bannon worked there 27 years ago.
    4. The AHCA has passes Congress and is at the Senate. Obamacare took 18 months to pass. Trump is ahead of that.
    5. His Cabinet is doing well and succeeding in a number of areas- certainly cutting Regs to create a more business friendly environment.
    6. If you want to see his income,assets and debt look at the Presidential Disclosure docs at Open Secret.org. It’s all there.
    7. Trump doesn’t run the Trump business anymore so you are lying.
    8. There’s only one ex GS exec in the Cabinet. If there’s 6 elsewhere, so what. He appoints over 2000 people.
    9. De Vos supports Charter Schools- that doesnt mean she’s against Public education. Sessions had issues with some aspects. So do a lot of people. The Fair Housing Act is also flawed.
    It’s a lie Pruit is a Climate denier. He just thinks the effects won’t be as great as some say. (Which is correct and is backed up by the science)
    10. It’s becoming clear the Obama admin has accessed transcripts of Trump staff caught up in surveillance. More on this to come I think.
    11. Strategy huh, so a soldier died… but no more gas attacks in Syria, Russia is talking, Germany has just confirmed they will now pay 2% of GDP on defence etc
    12. Trump hasn’t had a vacation yet and a lot of his Golf is with other world leaders. Oh, I think you need a Citation for that claim about spent more too.
    13. They are fake news. He has said he watches Fox but has never infowars, Breitbart etc( ie you are lying). I suspect he watches a LOT of news.
    Summary- you really know fuck all.
    
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    May 18, 2017 12:37pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed ,
      
      Let’s first deal with these :
      
      2 . The wall ? Citations please ?
      
      3 Only one billionaire in Trumps inner circle ?
      
      4. ” The AHCA has passes Congress and is at the Senate. Obamacare took 18 months to pass. Trump is ahead of that.”
      
      ” Obamacare took 18 months”
      
      By one of the most obstructively determined Congress in US Political history .
      
      10 “More on this to come I think.”
      
      You” think “? Is that meant to be evidence ?
      
      DUH !
      
      13 Trump never reads Breitbart ??
      
      Citation please ?
      
      However it is possibel the Pizza gate fiasco might of put him off his mate’s rag..
      
      And you have the nerve to say ,” You know fuck all “
      
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      May 18, 2017 7:51pm
  - Inandout
    
    I thought I had seen this C&P before..
    
    http://www.pressreader.com/usa/chicago-sun-times/20170413/281797103861261
    
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    May 18, 2017 12:59pm
Captain Mainwaring

I’m getting a bit tired of all the armchair experts who come on here and on the radio saying stuff like: “I’ve always been a National voter, but they’ve lost me this time.”
Come on guys, National might not tick every box, but the alternative is just too horrific to contemplate.
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May 18, 2017 10:05am
- greybeard
  
  Quite true, but it doesn’t hurt to let National know that they should not take things for granted and to stay alert.
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:15am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Fair enough greybeard but letting National know not to take things for granted shouldn’t take the form of subjecting ones countryfolk to the coalition from Hell.
    The best protest against National would be a party vote for Act.
    
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    May 18, 2017 10:18am
    - KevOB
      
      We don’t need any protest votes against National. Don’t fuel the enemy. We do need watchfulness over the enemy making issues and appearing to be exciting and falsely competent. I am already seeing signs of that with exciting issues arising. There seems to be a new activism afoot and I’m not sure it’s all locally sourced. National is governing soundly as well as able. That means that they may appear to be doing “nothing much”. Any change takes time, knowledge, experience and planning. Changes underway are often long in coming to maturity. “Nothing much” may appear to be happening just like the tunnel borer in Waterview.
      
      Do you really want another $20bn hole in the public accounts? Who managed to fund the Christchurch recovery program?
      
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      May 18, 2017 11:09am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Sad but true.
  That’s why we have to tolerate the incompetence/arrogance of Jonathan Coleman et al
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:17am
- cmm
  
  Capn, this is more an indictment of the opposition than National itself.
  
  The purpose of an opposition is not just to say “not good enough”, but it is also there to provide effective shadow policies etc that keep the government on their A game.
  
  National were focused and hungry when they went into 2008 elections. Now they’ve got sloppy.
  
  Is the alternative really that horrific?
  
  With all their infighting, Labour can’t control themselves, let alone a coalition with Greens and NZF. A dysfunctional government like that won’t get much done (ie. they won’t stuff up too much in 3 years). National gets the kick in the balls wake-up call they need, then it can be another 9 years of national before they lose their focus again…
  
  Rugby Analogy: NZ vs Ireland 2016. After 18 straight wins, NZ were getting sloppy. They needed a loss to get their hunger back.
  
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  May 18, 2017 10:42am
  - GazzaW
    
    Your rugby analogy is garbage cmm. Severely depleted forward pack and approaching the end of a very long season were the root causes.
    
    You have to be kidding about Labour-Greens not stuffing up too badly in three years.
    
    Just be very careful what you wish for.
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Rejecting National down’t mean choosing Greebour/Winston. Increasing Act’s MP’s would help to limit Nationals stupider choices.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:18am
  - VicParking
    
    What ever you do if your not going to vote national lock your mortgage interest rates in for five years
    
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    May 18, 2017 11:30am
- MickMac
  
  Captain
  I think National need to go, lazy arseholes.
  Housing crisis, Super, Kiwisaver, Defunding Police by 0% budget, Immigration, Waterways, ……
  
  But as you say what is the alternative?
  Labour/Watermelons..
  
  Bill English is a manager not a leader.
  But then John Key was a “kick it down the road guy”
  Not a leader either.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:33am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And Angry Andy is a complete loser.
    Give me Key or English any day.
    
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    May 18, 2017 11:47am
- kowtow
  
  Yeah but Notional have a duty to protect their voters interests and if they don’t then they deserve a kick in the arse.
  
  Being the least worst choice for the electorate does not mean you’re a good government.
  
  I think National think they’re good and are taking their base for granted.
  
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  May 18, 2017 12:56pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Captain, they always sound like fake statements and are actually part of the liabore party trying to sound sincere but are infact trying to influence votes. Big fail.
  
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  May 18, 2017 1:19pm
Stars And Stripes

Family Court ‘broken and dangerous’ – lobby group
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/331025/family-court-broken-and-dangerous-lobby-group
“The Family Court is failing to protect women and a Royal Commission of Inquiry is needed, a group pushing for changes to the court says.
The Backbone Collective said the Justice and Courts Minister Amy Adam’s dismissal of its report on what it said was the failure of the court to protect women and children was “hugely disappointing.”

The Backbone Collective was something I had not come across so I checked out their website to see what they were about.
Here is an example of some of the gems on offer:
“The Backbone Collective respects Māori as tangata whenua and Te Tiriti O Waitangi as the founding document that guides relationships between tangata whenua and tauiwi. We acknowledge the harm done to Māori through the colonisation of Aotearoa, the loss of Māori land, language and culture. We are committed to ensuring the voices of Māori survivors are heard in a way that respects collective, cultural, and personal suffering”.

In hindsight I should have known better than to look.
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May 18, 2017 10:09am
- KevOB
  
  In Family Court proceedings for some, if the other party was not hung, drawn and quartered the applicant was not satisfied. From experience I know the Court to be essentially fair to all including children individually.
  
  The Court facilitates the settlement of difficult issues of rights and costs as between the parties including the children like schooling with shared custody. The Court may commission expert reports and appoint lawyers for each child. It has awarded custody of a 14 yr. boy to his 20 yr. old married aunt on the aunt’s application because the boy refused to go back to his estranged parent after a holiday visit.
  
  It would be hard to improve the Court. The judges like all in NZ are excellent.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:33am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    I’d disagree that the judges are excellent, I would instead say that the judges, in most part, do the best they can in what is generally a lose lose situation.
    Once it gets to court, everyone has already lost, INCLUDING the children
    
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    May 18, 2017 12:55pm
    - KevOB
      
      I’ve been in many Courts in NZ and the judges have met the test of excellence as judges. They too are human but they sorted out the issues and made fair determinations which were equitable. It’s very rare for a judgment to be out of line with what other judges have come up with.
      
      I have been involved in Family Court proceedings 3 times. When families split sometimes it’s the only way to settle. The outcomes are not guaranteed and I have known a judge to have skilled outsiders asked for assessments and reports. That gives flexibility to the Court and independence from the parties.
      
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      May 18, 2017 3:51pm
      - dad4justice
        
        How can the family court be fair when the same judge deals with matters in criminal and civil jurisdictions? The family court is a disgraceful gravy train of lies and deceit. It has destroyed many bonds of love between fathers and their alienated children. The family court should be abolished for the sake of our children. The family court is a breeding ground where false allegations flourish!
        
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        May 18, 2017 3:56pm
Inandout

House of Cards new series airs 30th May, so should be a good story. It will be interesting to see how the writer will be able to turn a series based on the Clintons, to be used against Trump. President Frank Underwood, much like Hillary, is a scheming and ruthless political individual, who will do anything to retain power. Even the most deranged anti Trumpist could not see the present President as a long term schemer, because he reacts off the cuff. Anyway, it will no doubt be good entertainment.
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May 18, 2017 10:11am
gump

A topical joke heard at work:

Why won’t the United States Congress impeach Trump?

Because Republicans insist that babies should be carried to full term.
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May 18, 2017 10:22am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  What does Bill say to Hillary after having sex?
  
  Honey, I’ll be home in 20 minutes.
  
  What is Bill’s definition of safe sex?
  
  When Hillary is out of town.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:06am
- Inandout
  
  ‘A thief, a liar, and a cheater walk into a bar. the bartender says “good evening Mrs Clinton” .
  
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  May 18, 2017 1:10pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA: Louise Roberts: Housing affordability in Australia may mean my children will never move out | Sydney DailyTelegraph

Posted at … https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/05/sydneysiders-say-no-foreign-property-buyers/#comment-2871298

Louise Roberts: Housing affordability in Australia may mean my children will never move out | DailyTelegraph

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/were-condemning-our-kids-to-a-life-of-debt-and-they-may-leave/news-story/7723a8892ef8188f3a3cce8b4eaa6923

… concluding …

… The empty nest is the forever nest. Youth see low wage growth and being locked out of buying a home. The family dynamic is changing and from an independence point of view, that is bad news for everyone.

The Bank of Mum and Dad is going into lockdown but that CoreLogic survey says 30 per cent of our kids are relying on something, anything, from us to get their foot in the real estate door.

The average house costs 5.6 times the median household income. In Sydney its 12.2 times that.

Debt is in vogue now. When my parents bought a home their entire financial focus was on paying it off.” Look after the cents and the dollars will look after themselves” but is this advice now redundant?

Lawyer Jo Lennan told 60 Minutes that finger pointing at millennials was futile.

“If you’re looking at $1.5 million for a house in an outer Sydney suburb — a pretty ordinary house — then something is seriously wrong with the housing market,” she said.

“The dice are not evenly loaded. They are loaded in the favour of investors.”

My wish for my children is to set themselves goals and use their own money to get where they want to be.

And, as much as I love my son, I don’t want to be doing his laundry when he is 40.
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‘Don’t give me the mums and dads spiel’: ScoMo grilled over housing affordability … The New Daily

http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/news-federal-budget/2017/05/15/morrison-town-hall-housing/
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Deluge of affordability data forces government’s hand | The New Daily

http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2017/02/02/housing-affordability/

Voter backlash and a slew of damaging data has made it impossible for the government to refuse to act on housing affordability, setting the scene for a May budget that unleashes superannuation fund money to fix the problem. …

… First, Demographia released its annual housing affordability survey on January 23 naming five Australian capitals – Sydney, Melbourne, Adelaide, Brisbane and Perth – among the top 20 least affordable cities with million-plus populations. … read more via hyperlink above …
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May 18, 2017 10:39am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Perth is heading south. And if you like dodging big red Roos on the road you could try some of those Wait Awhile mining towns where they are practically giving away luxury homes.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:00am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Here we go again…
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:01am
Odakyu-sen

We may see the spread of “2-generation households” in Auckland. These have been mainstream in Japan for decades.
It works like this. The adult son marries and agrees to live with his parents. The old family house is demolished. The son pays for the building of a new house on the site. The new house is designed for the two households to live under one roof.
The house design has the following features. On the ground floor, there is the old parent’s bedroom(s), their bathroom, laundry, main kitchen, dining and living room. On the upstairs floor, there are the young couple’s bedroom and two children’s rooms, a small kitchen, toilet, and small living/dining room.
The idea is the younger generation have their evening meal with the elderly parents, but each family has a measure of privacy.
The stay-at-home daughter-in-law will look after the elderly in-laws until they either die or require full-time nursing care beyond her ability.
A generation later, the cycle is repeated. (You really need to be able to get along with your in-laws.)
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May 18, 2017 11:06am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  ” These have been mainstream in Japan for decades.”
  
  Japan’s Lost Decade ( well now its Decades ) is exactly what the Western world is looking at.
  
  Collapsing population is the main culprit. That is one of two main reasons the Globohomos are all for Dirt World mass migration into white homelands.
  
  Japanese are super racist and have held out so far against importing other tribes. But this is changing as the government gets desperate. Chinese are now moving into Japan to occupy low level jobs.
  
  A large Chinese immigrant population growing inside Japan.
  
  That is not going to end well.
  
  Seriously, you must have a death wish if your Chinese and want to go live in Japan as a lowly servant. Just shows how desperate the teaming masses of China are.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:12am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Chinese workers can come to Japan to supply labor. Each one of them will be on a 1-year (renewable) work visa and will be sponsored and guaranteed by the Japanese company employing them. The directors of said company will be legally liable for law-breaking by said Chinese employees. At the end of their work contracts, the workers will leave Japan. If a Chinese worker wishes to remain in Japan, he will require a guarantor and sponsor.
    Imagine if New Zealand had employed such a system for Pacific Island laborers in the 1960s and 1970s.
    
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    May 18, 2017 11:17am
    - MickMac
      
      I think that would be a good policy for NZ.
      Lets tell Winston!
      
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      May 18, 2017 11:34am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    “Japanese are super racist and have held out so far against importing other tribes.”
    
    What you understand “racist” to mean?
    Is it “racist” to want to maintain and promote your traditional cultural customs and values? (I am asking an honest question.)
    
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    May 18, 2017 11:35am
- Inandout
  
  In NZ we have self contained granny flats at the back of the section.
  
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  May 18, 2017 1:18pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Great if the family dynamics are good.
  There is NO WAY that living in the same house would have worked with my in-laws. ?
  
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  May 18, 2017 1:40pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    This is one of the weaknesses of the Japanese system. In a traditional Japanese family, the eldest son inherits all. However, this comes at a price. He in return must look after his parents in this life and in the next as well.
    “How do you look after your parents after they are dead?” I hear you ask. The answer is that you live near the family grave and you regularly visit it at the appointed times of the year. You are also involved in the local temple (which manages the family grave), you participate in working bees, and you engage with the periodic local ceremonies. All this is expected by your extended family (who will be watching).
    In reality, most of the care-giving of elderly parents is undertaken by the daughter-in-law. This hapless woman is obliged to live under the same roof as her mother-in-law, who will always take the side of her beloved son (and he take hers).
    The sagas and long-running conflicts between daughter and mother-in-law are legend in Japan, and have been the principle pillar of many a grand soap opera on Japanese television for decades.
    There is nothing quite like it in New Zealand. As the great NZ poet-philosopher Frederick K. Dagg wrote on his return from the Osaka World Fair in 1970, “You don’t know how lucky you are, girls. You don’t know how lucky you are.”
    
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    May 18, 2017 1:51pm
stephieboy

“Superdiversity: More Kiwis saying ‘I do’ to intermarriage “

An increasing number of children in NZ identifying with more than one ethnicity tests how we frame identity — but also offers huge opportunities on the world stage, writes Lincoln Tan in the third part of our series

More Kiwis are tying the knot with partners of a different ethnicity, according to data derived from the latest Census figures.
The New Zealand face of the future will be browner and likely to comprise multiple ethnic identities as a result, experts say.
A report, “Ethnic Intermarriage in New Zealand”, found ethnic intermarriage to be common among Asians, Maori and Pacific people and significantly higher for those born in New Zealand.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11532324
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May 18, 2017 11:20am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Ethnic intermarriage for Japanese living overseas has always been easy. Once you choose to leave Japan and live in a foreign country, you lose your “Yamato-damashii” Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamato-damashii
  
  (Don’t snigger. It’s a big deal.)
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:26am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Did someone in Mt Roskill cut the paper boys head off and they have only just found someone brave enough to replace him because that article is from October 2015?.
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:29am
- starboard
  
  “A report, “Ethnic Intermarriage in New Zealand”, found ethnic intermarriage to be common among Asians, Maori and Pacific people and significantly higher for those born in New Zealand, however, nobody was interested in the muslim section on offer.”
  
  There, fixed for ya stupid boy
  
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  May 18, 2017 11:52am
  - Inandout
    
    Mussies marry into their relatives to keep the IQ low, and make them easier to control.
    
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    May 18, 2017 1:21pm
    - Paulus
      
      Is this why the largest incidence of mental health problems is currently vested in Maori ?
      
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      May 18, 2017 2:16pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Well, I think there is evidence of lonely loser white men marrying Asians who really only want a NZ Passport.
  The NZH has covered this in the past.
  
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  May 18, 2017 12:18pm
  - starboard
    
    No way !
    
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    May 18, 2017 1:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All On Red ,
    
    More precsion there with some factual evidence rather than neighbourhood over the fence goss !
    
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    May 18, 2017 8:08pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      It’s true Stephie. Loser white men being sucked in marrying Asians who only do it for a Passport
      Lol
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10620509
      
      Mind you one of my mates callously suggested only white men with small penises slept with Asians. Is that true?
      
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      May 18, 2017 8:14pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red,
        
        your link is hardly evidence that all those living in our fair country choose that pathway to citizenship. A great many both immigrants who have legimately settled here and local European kiwis are choosing inter ethnic and racial marraige .
        
        Otherwise your more usual purile and infantile shite .
        
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        May 18, 2017 9:07pm
- Jack5
  
  Europeans and Maori have been marrying in NZ since before the Treaty of Waitangi.
  
  Johnny Come Lately Lincoln Tan has stumbled on something that is getting on for two centuries old.
  
  Many, perhaps most, who regard themselves as Maori, have some European blood – overwhelmingly British – and tens or scores of thousands of New Zealanders who regard themselves as being of white/Caucasian/European ancestry have some Maori blood.
  
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  May 18, 2017 2:20pm
Fletch

Andrew McCarthy from National Review makes the point that if giving veiled orders or suggestions is an obstruction of justice, then Obama is actually guilty of what Trump is being charged with in the public sphere.

In April 2016, Obama made a public statement that he didn’t think Hillary was guilty and implied that she shouldn’t be charged. In July of that same year, Comey used almost exactly the same wording as Obama when he let Hillary off the hook.

McCarthy argues that Democrats are projecting – wanting to charge Trump with the crime that Obama actually carried out.

On April 10, 2016, President Obama publicly stated that Hillary Clinton had shown “carelessness” in using a private e-mail server to handle classified information, but he insisted that she had not intended to endanger national security (which is not an element of the relevant criminal statute). The president acknowledged that classified information had been transmitted via Secretary Clinton’s server, but he suggested that, in the greater scheme of things, its importance had been vastly overstated.

On July 5, 2016, FBI director James Comey publicly stated that Clinton had been “extremely careless” in using a private email server to handle classified information, but he insisted that she had not intended to endanger national security (which is not an element of the relevant criminal statute). The director acknowledged that classified information had been transmitted via Secretary Clinton’s server, but he suggested that, in the greater scheme of things, it was just a small percentage of the emails involved.

Case dismissed.

Could there be more striking parallels? A cynic might say that Obama had clearly signaled to the FBI and the Justice Department that he did not want Mrs. Clinton to be charged with a crime, and that, with this not-so-subtle pressure in the air, the president’s subordinates dropped the case — exactly what Obama wanted, relying precisely on Obama’s stated rationale.

Yet the media yawned.

Of course, they’re not yawning now. Now it is Donald Trump, not Barack Obama, sending Comey signals. So now, such signals are a major issue — not merely of obstruction of justice, but of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Trump is said to have told Comey, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.”

Other than telling us that Comey replied, “I agree he is a good guy,” the Times provides no context of the conversation. Its report gives no indication of whether the memo provides such context.

On its face, the statement does not amount to obstruction of justice. Trump could be said to be putting pressure on his subordinate, just as Obama was putting pressure on his subordinates (Comey included) last April. But assuming the Times is right about the memo, Trump did not order Comey to drop the case. In fact, Trump’s statement is consistent with encouraging Comey to use his own judgment, with the understanding that Trump hoped Comey would come out favorably to Flynn.

It is not frivolous to infer that Trump’s statement to Comey was a veiled order. If that is your interpretation, though, you cannot avoid the conclusion that Obama’s public statements were also veiled orders not to indict Clinton. Up until now, veiled orders have not been thought the equivalent of obstruction of justice.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/447710/donald-trump-obstruction-justice-james-comey-russia
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May 18, 2017 11:26am
MickMac

Yep Fletch
The anti-Trumpers like DPF, disseminate the grey dirt to keep the air polluted.
BUT they ignore the history of the Dems the last 8yrs.
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May 18, 2017 11:36am
VicParking

To quote a quote that has been thrashed to death…
“Its ok if the left do it”
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May 18, 2017 11:37am
Fletch

Convicted FALN terrorist, whose sentence Obama commuted, enjoys hero’s welcome back at home.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/convicted-puerto-rican-terrorist-whose-prison-sentence-obama-commuted-enjoy-heros-welcome
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May 18, 2017 11:38am
fernglas

Thi is a link to a really interesting article about how a drug developed in this country is only one step away from FDA approval; it seems to have been under development and testing for some time but has attracted little attention in the press:
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/05/16/28010/kiwi-drug-set-to-become-first-with-fda-approval
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May 18, 2017 11:41am
starboard

IWI..I want it..gimmee

Sure thing..but pay market rate or fuck off

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/property/92716967/auckland-iwi-ngati-whatua-orakei-wants-to-buy-auckland-port-land
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May 18, 2017 11:48am
Fletch

If you want your blood boiling today, just watch the ‘tolerant’ liberals attack this guy holding a sign defending free speech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL0tRHvBlQQ
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May 18, 2017 12:10pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Scary and insane. I see the police were present but allowed the intimidation of the man with the sign encouraging free speech.
  
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  May 18, 2017 1:54pm
- Inandout
  
  That is the inane street face of the left, the MSM are the aloof face of the left.
  
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  May 18, 2017 4:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  The prince of paranoia Alex Jones side kick Paul Joesph Watson ?
  
  Sigh !
  
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  May 18, 2017 7:58pm
Kea

Persia is a liberal socialist country with the second highest population of Jews in the region, second only to Israel.

The enlightened govt will actually pay for your gender reassignment.

Iran is also the only Muslim country in the Persian Gulf region that gives trans citizens the right to have their gender identity recognized by the law. In fact, the Islamic Republic of Iran not only allows sex reassignment, but also subsidizes it.

https://qz.com/889548/everyone-treated-me-like-a-saint-in-iran-theres-only-one-way-to-survive-as-a-transgender-person/
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May 18, 2017 12:44pm
- Jack5
  
  Kea: in Persia – Iran – Zoroastrians, Christians, Jews, and other non-Muslims make up only 0.3 per cent of the population.
  
  There are fewer than 10,000 Jews in Iran’s population of 82.8 million.
  
  A “liberal” socialist country? Especially Iranian women, eh Kea? Have a look at this:
  
  https://themediaexpress.com/2017/03/02/the-oppression-of-women-in-iran/
  
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  May 18, 2017 2:27pm
  - Kea
    
    Jack5, boring. Try and think for your self instead of cut and pasting propaganda. Do you actually have any opinions of your own ? All I see from you is the same excuses for killing and hatred that we get daily in the msm.
    
    Iran has attacked no one in over 300 years. Compare that with the putrid cesspool of the USA.
    
    In the USA trans folk can’t even buy birthday cakes 🙂
    
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    May 18, 2017 5:29pm
- rangitoto
  
  Try setting up a free thinkers club in Iran.
  
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  May 18, 2017 4:15pm
  - Kea
    
    rangitoto, It can’t be worse than trying to set one up on KB now days !
    
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    May 18, 2017 5:31pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kea, the 8,000 Jews living in Iran is insignificant and hardly evidence of a liberal socialist country .
  
  Prior to the 1979 there were some 80,000 . Where did the go to ?
  
  BTW you live comfortably with Trump’s decidely pro Israel and anti Iran policies ?
  
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  May 18, 2017 9:11pm
  - Kea
    
    Trump puts Israel’s interests ahead of the USA. Its been that way for decades. You comfortable with world war 3 ? Will you die for the chosen ones goy boy ?
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:20pm
Longknives

So the batshite insane Green Party reckon President Trump is ‘The most dangerous leader since Hitler’!
Wow! Can we please have a thread discussing this absurd suggestion??
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May 18, 2017 12:57pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What a capital idea.
  
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  May 18, 2017 1:57pm
- Kea
  
  After Obama bombed multiple countries and re-started the cold war, signed up a Trillion dollar nuke program and ordered the biggest troop build up since ww2 on Russia’s borders.
  
  Trump has a hard act to follow if he wants to beat the black warlord at global destabilisation.
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:47pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Kea , restarted what ” cold war ” ?
    
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    May 18, 2017 9:16pm
starboard

**Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go**

Convicted imported sexual deviant and kiddy fiddler Ali Akbari must go. Why is he still here ?

Woodhouse ?
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May 18, 2017 1:25pm
- Kimbo
  
  Same reason Alfred Ngaro can’t stop funding to Willie Jackson’s Charter School…Ministers of the Crown do not intervene in operational matters. Instead, they set policy expectations for their departments to follow, and seek to hold them accountable when the don’t…
  
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  May 18, 2017 2:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  starboard ,
  
  have you ever thought of bothering writing to Woodhouse with your whinging ?
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:33pm
  - starboard
    
    Pay attention stupidboy, I have mentioned several times that I have written to the inept one.
    
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    May 18, 2017 7:21pm
cha

Erdogan’s thugs think they’re at home.

#Erdogan’s guards fight with #Kurdish protesters in front of Turkish Embassy in Washington DC pic.twitter.com/w3Q0BLzJUK— Turkey Observed (@TurkeyObserved) May 17, 2017

https://twitter.com/TurkeyObserved/status/864641924539572224
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May 18, 2017 2:01pm
Manolo

The delay could cost President Trump a lot of goodwill:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/tax-code-republicans-ryan-mcconnell.html?_r=0

Only two months ago, Republicans in Congress and President Trump’s top economic advisers were confidently predicting that a sweeping rewrite of the tax code would be in hand by summer’s end.

But with the White House consumed with constant upheaval, Congress facing the prospect of myriad investigations on top of its delayed duty to fund the government, and health care legislation still grinding through the Senate, those hopes have faded. Even with the less ambitious plan of just tax cuts — not a tax overhaul — the new mantra in Washington is “Maybe next year.”
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May 18, 2017 2:44pm
- Inandout
  
  I think those voters living away from Washington can see that anti-Trumps are hobbling any positive moves by the White House. Maybe it is about time Trump reserved air time and explained to ALL of the US why he can’t action a lot of his plans.
  Reagan spoke to the nation regularly, so did the TV networks freely give air time, or were they ordered to?
  
  http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/youtubeclip.php?clipid=38068&admin=40
  
  http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/youtubeclip.php?clipid=37131&admin=40
  
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  May 18, 2017 4:50pm
Happychappy

Can anyone explain why TV Three were pimping World Vision for donations to help the save the children in Africa who are dying through lack of nutrition. While this is tragic why should we donate when this media outlet created stories of children going hungry in our own country with also saying our government does not do enough for families in NZ and then ask for funds to help other countries. TV Three should be putting their money where their mouth is before fund raising for others.
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May 18, 2017 3:20pm
- rangitoto
  
  Aren’t those African countries miles ahead of us on children’s rights? Just think of all the boats filled with refugees headed to those countries. They should be sending aid to us.
  
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  May 18, 2017 4:09pm
krazykiwi

Looks like the Aussies could take a tumble down the world corruption index.

Australian Tax Office Deputy Commissioner Michael Cranston to be charged over tax fraud

Australian Taxation Office Deputy Commissioner Michael Cranston will be charged in connection with an alleged $165 million tax fraud syndicate following what police have described as one of the biggest white collar fraud investigations in Australian history.

That’s pretty serious. It makes Martin Mathews oversight issues in respect of fraudster Joanne Harrison seem relatively trivial.
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May 18, 2017 3:45pm
- krazykiwi
  
  .. edit not working …
  
  Mr Cranston has been issued a future court attendance notice for the charge of abusing his position as a public official. He is due to appear in Sydney’s Central Local Court on June 13.
  
  His son, Adam Cranston, 30, and his daughter, Lauren Anne Cranston, 24, have also been charged following an eight-month investigation, codenamed Operation Elbrus
  
  So it looks like it was a family business. Elbrus is the highest mountain in Russia. Those damn Russians again!
  
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  May 18, 2017 3:49pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Obviously Trump is to blame.
    
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    May 18, 2017 4:12pm
Tauhei Notts

Today’s whinge.
I have noticed that for the fourth consecutive month the Diner’s Club statement has a due date of payment on a weekend day. Apparently this is done so that people who pay on the Monday are deemed to have paid late and the reptiles can then charge them interest at a rate in excess of 19%.
Does anybody else find that sort of business practice deplorable?
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May 18, 2017 3:59pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I had one of those extortionate cards back in the seventies. They ended up with it back in their possession in about a hundred pieces.
  Then they kept sending me application forms to get a new one. They only stopped when I filled one in, saying that I was unemployed and that my last job was as a salesman for Spherical Iron Products Ltd. , cannonball manufacturers, Wharf Road, Patea.
  That fixed them.
  Why do you still deal with the pricks?
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:22pm
Fletch

Crazy Russian Hacker finally taste tests the New Zealand military ration pack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cg4HVbxotRg
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May 18, 2017 4:50pm
- cha
  
  MRE’s from around the world.
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/Rj2O6 China
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/Yo3ng Germany
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/Z16Ib Poland
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/sMZSV France
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/qGb4K USA
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/c39uV Britain
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/KmiwG The Netherlands
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/GSxfv Spain
  
  http://imgur.com/gallery/6xw4S Canada
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:13pm
  - Fletch
    
    Yah, Crazy Russian Hacker has tasted most of them on video. 🙂
    
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    May 18, 2017 5:24pm
Jack5

Immigration NZ has announced details of its plans to impose refugees on Southland.

Bureaucrats have told Southlanders that Wellington City (population about 191,000, regional population half a million) receives 250 refugees a year so 100 a year is a “realistic allocation” for Invercargill (population about 50,000, regional population about 70,000). Muslim refugees will come from Afghanistan, Syria, and Myanmar (Burma). Refugees for the south will also come from Colombia.

There are three to four million displaced people in Colombia following the insurrection by the Marxist-Leninist FARC and narco gang warfare.

Let’s hope the Wellington civil servants thoroughly check the Colombian refugees. We don’t need Leninist guerrillas or narco gang agents in the South Island.

Michael Woodhouse, the Immigration Minister, is a disaster.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92684122/invercargill-refugee-settlement-detailed-by-immigration-nz
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May 18, 2017 5:01pm
- Jack5
  
  Winston Peters might pick up a thousand or two party votes in Southland from the imposition of refugees. There are no votes in it for National, and won’t be any for the Green-Labour mob, who would flood the country with Muslim refugees.
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:14pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5,
    
    ?.. from the imposition of refugees. ??
    
    “imposition ” or is more to do with their race or religion ?
    
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    May 18, 2017 5:20pm
    - Jack5
      
      Well, Stephie X, if your troll team is typical, who would invite Stephiestani refugees to settle in their neighbourhood?
      
      The question is: has the Mt Roskill experience been the cause of the Immigration Department’s apparent need to impose refugees on a region, despite the reservation of the mayor of the region’s main city? (Mayor Shadbolt has expressed concern that there may not be enough jobs in the area.)
      
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      May 18, 2017 5:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , given the ethnic diversity of Mt Eden there could well be some here already .
        
        Would be immigrants have chosen to live in Mt Roskill . Nothing has been forced .
        
        Fact !
        
        Show to the contrary .
        
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        May 18, 2017 5:25pm
      - Jack5
        
        Ethnic diversity in Mt Eden, Stephie X? You’ve got Shia as well as Sunni? Very diverse!
        
        What is it about suburbs with “Mt” in their name that appeals to folk from Stephiestan? Does the appeal stem from the legendary tale: “If the mountain will not come to Muhammad, then Muhammad must go to the mountain.”
        
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        May 18, 2017 5:33pm
    - Inandout
      
      Infestation is a more apt description.
      
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      May 18, 2017 6:01pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 ( and Inandout ) , both go and visit your Doctor !
        
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        May 18, 2017 6:45pm
Longknives

Just had the loathsome Oxfam at my front door- Took me ages to get to the door (as recovering from a stint in Hospital) and was greeted by some weirdo in a bright jacket opening with “Do you give anything to Charity?”
I told him that I do and politely told him Oxfam was not one of my “Chosen Charities”
“Well why not? We help children in New Zealand and all over the World?”
I again told him I give to selected Charities and Oxfam was not one of them. I politely asked him to leave and he again asked “Can I ask why not?” Good luck getting any $ with that rude attitude asshole!..

*I should have asked him how much of my donation would go straight to Hamas..
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May 18, 2017 5:09pm
- Jack5
  
  Longknives: the paid collectors for theses sorts of political-charities are getting more aggressive. They are all over the shopping centres.
  
  Simple donations are the light hit. Some of the collectors badger old folk and other vulnerable people to sign up for continuing donation plans.
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:18pm
- stephieboy
  
  Longknives , purely ancedotal of a suspect kind . I’ve found these collectors usually co-operative and helpful when there is a decline .
  
  Wondering whether it was merely the name” Oxfam ” that up got your goat ?
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:24pm
cha

woot!

https://www.cnet.com/news/star-trek-discovery-trailer-first-look/
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May 18, 2017 5:29pm
nasska

To help writers with cramp, here are some suggestions to use instead of lengthy politically correct terms.

The term “ethnically-diverse-multicultural area” can now be deemed a “shithole”

The term “anti-social-behaviour” is now simply known as “fun”.

And the term “mentally impaired” is now known as “Green”
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May 18, 2017 5:34pm
Kea

A child abuse scandal is coming for Pope Francis

The Catholic Church has long been plagued by sickening scandals involving priests abusing children. And there is reportedly another scandal coming — this one of the pope’s own making.

Two people with direct ties to the Vatican tell me that Pope Francis, following the advice of his clubby group of allies in the curia, is pressing to undo the reforms that were instituted by his predecessors John Paul II and Benedict XVI in handling the cases of abuser priests. Francis is pushing ahead with this plan even though the curial officials and cardinals who favor it have already brought more scandal to his papacy by urging him toward lenient treatment of abusers.http://theweek.com/articles/670249/child-abuse-scandal-coming-pope-francis

What a disgusting cult the Catholics are. The stories of the abuse are some of the most upsetting and sickening depravity I have ever read.

Now the leader of the Catholics has gone soft on the child rapists. While the typical Catholic here on KB fails to condemn it and attacks those who do. Frances patron saint of pedos ?
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May 18, 2017 5:37pm
- nasska
  
  Here is the Church.
  
  Here is the steeple
  
  Open the door
  
  Here is child abuse.
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:44pm
  - Kea
    
    nasska, I see you failed to defend the Church and instead have chosen to speak out against child abuse. You know you won’t go to heaven for doing that ?
    
    Many of the victims report that their own parents colluded with the church to hide the abuse. What a massive breach of trust and decency. The false image of the “Church” meant more to them than their own kids. The same sorts you will see on here screaming Troolllllll I should imagine.
    
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    May 18, 2017 5:49pm
    - nasska
      
      I don’t think I had much of a chance anyway Kea. Anyway, at least I’ll know a lot more people in Hell. 🙂
      
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      May 18, 2017 5:54pm
      - Harriet
        
        I pointed out to Kea the other day that it is ONLY GOOD Jews and ONLY GOOD Christians who will go to Heaven. God only knows where everyone else is going however, I do know that you and Kea are going directly to hell. 😎
        
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        May 18, 2017 6:00pm
      - Kea
        
        Help nasska, the soldiers of christ are here jostling for a place in heaven, by defending their pedo-friendly church and leader.
        
        ——————————————————-
        Shameful and Repulsive: 1970s-style Francis unsurprisingly soft on pedophiles
        VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis has quietly reduced sanctions against a handful of pedophile priests, applying his vision of a merciful church even to its worst offenders in ways that survivors of abuse and the pope’s own advisers question.
        
        One case has come back to haunt him: An Italian priest who received the pope’s clemency was later convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against children as young as 12. The Rev. Mauro Inzoli is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him, The Associated Press has learned.
        
        https://www.longroom.com/discussion/347100/shameful-and-repulsive-1970s-style-francis-unsurprisingly-soft-on-pedophiles
        
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        May 18, 2017 6:05pm
      - nasska
        
        The Pope is probably between a rock & a hard place Kea. If he sacks all the pedos there won’t be anyone left to peddle indulgences after Mass. 🙂
        
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        May 18, 2017 6:09pm
      - Kea
        
        “you and Kea are going directly to hell. ”
        
        With all the others who don’t defend pedos on KB ?
        
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        May 18, 2017 6:23pm
  - Jack5
    
    I think you fluffed the last line, Nasska.
    
    Here is the Church
    Here is the steeple
    Open the door
    … and … and …
    Fuck! There’s a fired up green parrot! 😉
    
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    May 18, 2017 5:56pm
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      Stop picking on the parrot Jack! 🙂
      
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      May 18, 2017 6:00pm
      - Kea
        
        Its either pick on me or the pedos. He chose me. He must be very devout.
        
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        May 18, 2017 6:07pm
- Harriet
  
  The reality is that the priests have stopped doing it.
  
  Where as male teachers, and mainly from the public governments and their schools throughout the west, are always listed on pedophile lists that are released to the public after police internet investigations.
  
  And along with the male teachers who molest children —- they are nearly always Married!
  
  Married males should not be allowed to teach in the public system in the west. Or at least schools are better to employ single males if they have the safety of kids in mind….and insurance in US schools.
  
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  May 18, 2017 5:49pm
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    You are slipping. You forgot to attack the Muslims.
    
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    May 18, 2017 5:57pm
stigie

Can someone please tell me if Winston’s supporters would prefer to go with National or Labour, seems to me these supporters of Winston couldn’t give a fuck who he goes with or am i seeing things wrong..?
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- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  Winston’s supporters would prefer to go with National or Labour
  
  Go where? I get it now, you’re asking in a very subtle way if Chuck Bird is still up for the Pike River mission, right?
  
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  May 18, 2017 6:00pm
  - stigie
    
    Sounds like there’s a few on here who couldn’t give a fuck where the drunkin dwarf goes Nostra..?
    Gawd, this is like someone we know who slips down to the park in high heels and lipstick ?
    
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    May 18, 2017 6:08pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      It’s hard to know what some Kiwibloggers get up to in their spare time Stigie! In some ways – and I’m thinking of a select few people – I’d rather not know or guess!
      
      Chuck Bird
      
      Winston has the balls to make the offer. Does Bill English have the balls to call his bluff? If is not bluff. I would happily join him. English does not want to be proved wrong.
      
      December 13, 2016 3:08pm
      
      At least we know what Chuck Bird fantasises about getting up to in his spare time!
      
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      May 18, 2017 6:20pm
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2004, stop drop & roll by Mareko (feat. deceptikonz):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmj2NV8ulSs
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May 18, 2017 5:55pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Just balancing thing 🙂
  
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  May 18, 2017 6:17pm
- Longknives
  
  ‘Hip Hop/Rap’ is NOT music.
  Massive downtick from me for posting that utter garbage.
  And a sad indictment on the state of New Zealand music ..
  
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  May 18, 2017 7:20pm
  - mikenmild
    
    For Longknives, NZ music reached its apex with Hogsnort Rupert.
    
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    May 18, 2017 8:31pm
Jack5

The Whale v Craig case today makes intriguing reading.

Just who talks with God?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92721551/craig-slater-clash-on-speaking-with-god
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May 18, 2017 6:17pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Just who talks with God?”…..
  
  You think that’s bad. We’ve got a few regular fruitloops on this forum who God talks to! 🙂
  
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  May 18, 2017 6:22pm
  - Kea
    
    nasska, Hilarious story. Two Christian nut jobs. Both trying the same manipulative garbage in court and both running for the moral high ground. Colon tried to tell the court that god asked him to bother the poor girl LOL 🙂
    
    The Judge is not buying into it. He should lock them both up for perjury and contempt.
    
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    May 18, 2017 6:28pm
    - dad4justice
      
      “He should lock them both up for perjury and contempt.”
      Amen to that, these two creeps don’t do Christianity any favours. To hell with the both of the sods.
      
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      May 18, 2017 6:54pm
      - Kea
        
        Craig should have admitted he stuffed up right at the start. It would be yesterdays news now if he were more honest. Now he is trying to tell the court god was behind it all !
        
        Even I won’t attack sincere god botherers, it’s the bullshit I hate.
        
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        May 18, 2017 8:24pm
      - nasska
        
        ….”Even I won’t attack sincere god botherers”…..
        
        I’d never thought you’d go all gooey on us & take your foot off their collective throats Kea.
        
        Harden up man! 🙂
        
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        May 18, 2017 8:29pm
      - dad4justice
        
        I understand Kea and the bullshit flowing from twit craig and fat boy smug slug make a mockery of Christian principles. They should both be repentant and stop this farcical waste of judicial resources. They both deserve what’s coming to them!
        
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        May 18, 2017 8:31pm
  - stigie
    
    There must be something in it Nasska when the sky fairy talks to these unfortunate people, love to know what it is or if it makes you feel wholesome all over..?
    
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    May 18, 2017 6:29pm
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      Wholesome doesn’t come into it. I think it’s usually a sign that they’ve forgotten to renew their Zyprexa prescription stigie. 🙂
      
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      May 18, 2017 6:40pm
      - Kea
        
        This place is crawling with religious nut jobs. Don’t be followed by their mild words. They actively defend kiddy fiddlers, murderers, terrorists etc simply because of their religion. They viciously attack anyone who points out the wrongs of certain religious groups.
        
        That demonstrates very extreme views. Don’t for a single minute be fooled into thinking these people are any less extreme than those we hear about on the news. They have F-16’s and drones. Ackmed has to make some bombs at home.
        
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        May 18, 2017 6:51pm
    - rangitoto
      
      “There must be something in it Nasska”
      
      There is. I read about a pastor who was going to demonstrate his walking on water skills. We would have been amazed but unfortunately the crocodiles ate him first.
      
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      May 18, 2017 7:46pm
      - nasska
        
        Saw something about that in news the other day. I hope that the small setback that occurred when he became croc tucker doesn’t discourage future believers from giving it a go! 🙂
        
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        May 18, 2017 7:56pm
Kea

Oh this is comedy gold. I love it when these people reveal their true colours 🙂

I does demonstrate how the religious lie and deceive, even themselves.

Slater was referring to a letter Craig wrote to his former press secretary, Rachel MacGregor, on Christmas Eve 2014, in which he claimed he’d received instructions from God to “look after Rachel”.

The two men are both Christian, but appear to have differing views on the nature of prayer.

Craig’s letters to MacGregor were peppered with religious references and contained prayers.

“If I was a female employee getting letters commenting on my breasts, saying how beautiful I was, I wouldn’t have gone to the Human Rights Commission; I would have gone to the police.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92721551/craig-slater-clash-on-speaking-with-god
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May 18, 2017 6:35pm
krazykiwi

It must be so tiresome being a royal. But there’s a way to relieve that tedium: Netherland’s King Willem-Alexander reveals he flies as a commercial airline pilot

For two decades, the king of the Netherlands has been putting the royal in KLM Royal Dutch Airlines.

King Willem-Alexander said in an interview published on Wednesday that for the last 21 years, he has flown twice a month as a commercial airline co-pilot for KLM’s Cityhopper subsidiary, a regional carrier that flies among European cities.

He was seldom recognised in uniform, particularly after the September 11 terrorist attacks, when safety protocols were introduced to limit access to cockpits, he said
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May 18, 2017 6:38pm
holysheet

Josey wasn’t the best pupil at Sunday school. She often fell asleep and one day while she was sleeping, the teacher asked her a question. “Who is the creator of the universe?” Joe was sitting next to Josey and decided to poke her with a pin to wake her up. Josey jumped and yelled, “God almighty!” The teacher congratulated her. A little later the teacher asked her another question, “Tell me who is our lord and savior?” Joe poked Josey again and she yelled out, “Jesus Christ!” The teacher congratulated her again. Later on the teacher asked, “What did Eve say to Adam after their 26th child?” Joe poked Josey again and she shouted, “If you stick that thing in me again, I’ll snap it in half and stick it up your ass!”
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May 18, 2017 6:58pm
Nostradamus

Rotorua to attempt haka world record

Rotorua people have just one month to practise their pukana and get ready to take part in a world record haka attempt.
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The official record stands at 4028 participants which was achieved at an event organised by car manufacturer Mazda in Brive-la-Gaillarde, France, in 2014. The number to beat, however, is 6200 which was the number of participants who performed a haka in Masterton last November although their attempt is yet to be officially ratified.

That means almost 10 per cent of Rotorua’s population will need to be at the Village Green at noon on Saturday, June 17.

Good idea to go with 12.00 noon – any earlier and the bludgers would be struggling to get out of bed!
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May 18, 2017 7:14pm
- nasska
  
  …..”The number to beat, however, is 6200 which was the number of participants who performed a haka in Masterton last November although their attempt is yet to be officially ratified.”….
  
  The aggregate IQ for the event was rumoured to be in excess of 465000. 🙂
  
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  May 18, 2017 7:20pm
Kea

Among other things, president Barack Obama:

Sent 3,500 U.S. troops and tanks to Russia’s doorstep in one of his final decisions as president.
Ordered ten times more drone strikes than Bush.
Dropped 26,171 bombs in 2016 alone (an average of 72 bombs every day).
Put boots on the ground in Syria , despite 16 times saying “no boots on the ground”.
Despite campaign pledges, planned a $1 trillion program to add more nuclear weapons to the US arsenal in the next 30 years.
Dropped bombs in 7 Muslim countries; and then bragged about it .
Said, “I believe in American exceptionalism with every fiber of my being.”
Bragged about his use of drones – I’m “really good at killing people”.
Deported a modern-record 2 million immigrants.
Signed the Monsanto Protection Act into law.
Started a new war in Iraq .
Initiated, and personally oversees a ‘Secret Kill List’.
Pushed for war on Syria while siding with al-Qaeda .
Backed neo-Nazis in Ukraine.

https://www.stpete4peace.org/obama-fact-sheet
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May 18, 2017 8:04pm
EAD

Was forwarded this by one of my clients this afternoon – “How to invest like the Rothschild Dynasty”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/investing/11961310/How-to-invest-like-the-Rothschild-dynasty.html#comment-2336174626

I thanked him and told him I would take a look at it and report back with my views. On this particular one I’m going to have to bite my tongue as I can’t exactly say to him:

“Bill – it’s not possible for us mere mortals like us to invest like the Rothschilds as we aren’t able to fund both sides in wars, we don’t have the ears of the world’s most powerful politicians and royals, and we also have ethical bones in our bodies”
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May 18, 2017 8:12pm
- mikenmild
  
  How’s the investment advice scam going? Isn’t about time you came up with a revised date for the imminent global financial collapse?
  nasska will be wondering it it’s time to stockpile the baked beans again.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:34pm
- Reid
  
  EAD you may know this. I read a year or so ago that an investor had appealed some decision whereby the liquidators had lodged an application to claw back some of the investors who had already received their monies from Ross and the news report said it was “a well known Wgtn investor.”
  
  Since Ross’s offices was in one of Jones office buildings I’ve often wondered who that investor was.
  
  You have any details?
  
  P.S. Isn’t it amazing how little mm knows. I expect he’ll be surprised when his pitiful nestegg comes crashing down, poor fool, isn’t he.
  
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  May 18, 2017 8:39pm
  - EAD
    
    Sorry can’t help you on that one Reid – if I said a name I would only be speculating (and breaching DPF’s comments policy).
    
    I can tell you that there are a couple of highly leveraged mezzanine finance companies that are extremely marginal at the moment through exposure to apartments/off the plan developments. Their expected costs have soared and they’re caught in a classic liquidity trap.
    
    You would have thought NZ learned after the Finance Company fiascos of 7-8 years ago but no. I suspect that is why banks have been told to ~~lend recklessly~~ reduce lending standards in order to keep the house of cards afloat so rising property prices can bail them out and the “dumb investors” can wear the losses.
    
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    May 18, 2017 8:55pm
    - Reid
      
      Exposure where? Wgtn or Akld? Or both?
      
      Either is bad news.
      
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      May 18, 2017 9:11pm
      - EAD
        
        add in Queenstown and a surprising one………Christchurch.
        
        Development firms there have built a whole lot of cookie-cutter houses using borrowed money and they’re not selling:
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/90012513/Christchurchs-housing-paradox-the-downside-of-a-building-boom
        
        There is a giant sucking sound of a vortex and the only way NZ is going to keep this baby afloat is if they double down on more Chinese money/immigration and further loosening of lending standard/lowering of interest rates. A finance company going bust will be a leading indicator of a full scale bust.
        
        We’re in the middle of giant ponzi but no-body wants the music to stop.
        
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        May 18, 2017 9:21pm
      - Reid
        
        The money behind those companies will be betting on the immigration EAD. The Chinese money has dried up pending clarification of Trump’s real Chinese strategy and whether he’s serious about defending the petrodollar against the upcoming replacement.
        
        That only leaves immigration, but luckily for the money behind the ponzis, the NZ authorities are not only cheap to buy influence in, they’re also so incredibly dumb most of them don’t even know they’re being bought.
        
        You watch the points being adjusted against Akld and for Chch.
        
        Which they could have done ages ago to correct the Akld bubble, but didn’t, because it politically beneficial to the entity executing the plan at that time.
        
        Aren’t sheeple stoopid, not noticing.
        
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        May 18, 2017 9:37pm
      - Kea
        
        The economic collapse happened years ago. We just keep pretending it did not.
        
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        May 18, 2017 9:47pm
  - Kea
    
    Reid, I think you will find that milky hopes the Jewish bankers have been reading his contributions on KB and will look after him 🙂
    
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    May 18, 2017 8:57pm
    - Reid
      
      Probably.
      
      Since he’s a goy though, he’ll be lucky if they just kill him quickly.
      
      But they’ll probably let him suffer once his ability to repay his debts terminates. Just to punish him, for being a useless eater.
      
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      May 18, 2017 9:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Kea , happy being at one with EAD’s National Socialist aspirations ?
      
      Like EAD what is the personal appeal to you of Adolf Hitler ?
      
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      May 18, 2017 9:19pm
      - Kea
        
        Sorry stupidboy but Adolf Hitler’s socialist party was a bit before my time. I believe it all ended about 70 years ago. I think you need to worry less about those socialists and concern yourself with the ones opposing Trump.
        
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        May 18, 2017 9:23pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Kea , then we can safely say you’re at one with Trumps pro Israel’s position ?
        
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        May 18, 2017 9:33pm
      - Reid
        
        stephie just as we can (and all do) safely assume you’re a moron based on your 18,700 to date?
        
        sorry
        
        …to date ?
        
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        May 18, 2017 9:44pm
      - Kea
        
        “Kea , then we can safely say you’re at one with Trumps pro Israel’s position ?”
        
        Yes you can. I just want Israel to change a few things. Things that will ultimately benefit them.
        
        The notion I am against the Jews is a fiction. But they need to change their treatment of others.
        
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        May 18, 2017 9:57pm
      - Reid
        
        You mean like this Kea?
        
        A display of Israeli-style community policing before an audience of hundreds of young schoolchildren was captured on video last week. Were the 10-year-olds offered road safety tips, advice on what to do if they got lost, or how to report someone suspicion hanging around the school?
        
        No. In Israel, they do things differently. The video shows four officers staging a mock anti-terror operation in a park close to Tel Aviv. The team roar in on motorbikes, firing their rifles at the “terrorist”.
        
        As he lies badly wounded, the officers empty their magazines into him from close range. In Israel it is known as “confirming the kill”. Everywhere else it is called an extrajudicial execution or murder. The children can be heard clapping.
        
        It would be helpful to change things like that, wouldn’t it. Isn’t it a shame people like stupidboy disagree.
        
        http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-tutors-its-children-in-fear-and-loathing-of-palestinians/5590334?platform=hootsuite
        
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        May 18, 2017 10:16pm
      - Kea
        
        Yes. Even the piss weak UN has told them off, though bugger all came of it.
        
        Jews are taught a lot of rubbish about non Jews and a victim complex is instilled in them at a young age to justify the mistreatment of others.
        
        There are plenty of Jews who speak out about it too, but not enough to bring change.
        
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        May 18, 2017 10:19pm
Tauhei Notts

I read about the coroner’s decision in that brutal slaying of Stephen Dudley.
Then I thought about a Samoan hooker, and I am not talking about a slapper from Apia.
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May 18, 2017 8:37pm
mikenmild

Some may recall DPF posting last month about the Kapiti district councillor with the unusual excuse to the accusation of indecent assault: his penis was too sore after his recent circumsion for him to be pressing up against a woman in the manner alleged.
Update here:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/92752441/kapiti-coast-councillor-charged-with-indecent-assault
Doesn’t mention the circumsion defence. Perhaps his lawyer doesn’t consider it will (ahem) stand up in court.
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May 18, 2017 8:43pm
Nostradamus

Manawatu community calls to stamp out domestic violence

Community groups are calling for people to step up and stop family violence in Manawatu. About 40 people took part in workshops about family violence on Thursday as part of a violence education day, run by the Manawatu Abuse Intervention Network (MAIN).
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A range of people attended Thursday’s workshop, including police officers, nurses, and staff from health care organisations, Massey University’s student association, the Ministry of Social Development, social groups, and colleges.

Unbelievable – they forgot to invite the local iwi representatives!
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May 18, 2017 9:09pm
sam green

Kea. Masturbating to KBGD since ages ago.
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