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DifferentPerspective

Socialist explains her opposition to Trump

Triggered university student takes time to clearly explain herself about why she is anti-Trump.

When you are on the same side as people like this, you need to question the rectitude of your thinking!

Is this what advanced TDS looks like?
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May 15, 2017 8:04am
- mandk
  
  Drain the swamp!
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:09am
- William of Ockham
  
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  Think Trump’s Stupid? Get A Load Of This Interview…
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35aT9ikWcqc
  
  BREAKING: Eric Trump Is Staggeringly Stupid
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FIauuTAgD8
  Trump got money for his golf courses from the Russians, according to Eric.
  
  “Would you like a little banana with your Republic?” Hilarious!
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_nGfUz9zA
  The Apprentice: Nuclear Edition | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:16am
  - stephieboy
    
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    ‘”BREAKING: Eric Trump Is Staggeringly Stupid ”
    
    The missing ingredient here are also his disciples
    
    Breaking News ,
    
    https://i.imgflip.com/189sfx.jpg
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:39am
  - holysheet
    
    http://www.strangepolitics.com/images/content/196913.jpeg
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV-RV-wWoAAkHqm.jpg
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:55am
- Huevon
  
  This is not an extreme case but represents the typical patient presenting with TDS. Sadly the disease is usually incurable. A preventative approach is preferred. Clinicians recommend extended exposure to diversity, avoiding university campuses and, in males, having a teenage daughter.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:32am
- SGA
  
  When you are on the same side as people like this, you need to question the rectitude of your thinking!
  
  If it was only people like that, you might have a point… but it’s not.
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/14/clapper-us-govt-under-assault-by-trump-after-comey-firing.html
  (fyi – Clapper was a Lieutenant-General in the USAF, a director of the Defense Intelligence Agency (George Bush I, Clinton), Under-Secretary of Defense for Intelligence (George Bush II, Obama), and Director of National Intelligence (Obama).)
  
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  May 15, 2017 9:55am
- Rich Prick
  
  Student? For all we know she has tenure in Humanities.
  
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  May 15, 2017 10:16am
- jonar
  
  When you are on the same side as people like this, you need to question the rectitude of your thinking!
  
  Totally fallacious reasoning. According to your theory all Trump supporters should question their thinking because they’re on the side of this guy.
  
  https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/muslim-family-beach-abuse-video-trump-supporter-racism-a7730911.html
  
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  May 15, 2017 11:09am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    I’ll take your isolated incident and I’ll raise you all of these attacks on Trump supporters
    
    Still good to know that you are aligned with the screecher. All you have to do is take the red pill and your TDS gets cured.
    
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    May 15, 2017 12:17pm
    - jonar
      
      I guess you still don’t get it. I can be against Trump and still not support some idiot screaming about him. The two things aren’t connected. Just like you can support Trump and not support some idiot yelling at a family on the beach. People finding Trump’s actions deplorable don’t automatically have TDS.
      
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      May 15, 2017 1:16pm
- sam green
  
  Fake news.
  
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  May 15, 2017 12:48pm
Paulus Gnome

The St Johns ambulance service has said that 75% of their funding comes from the Government and they need to fundraise to meet the shortfall in their operational requirements.

‘the police don’t have to shake a bucket to buy a patrol car’ is an evocative sound bite.

They say $5 mil will do it and as a taxpayer, I believe that this somewhat insignificant sum in the grand scheme of things would be a good investment in a worthy service in the community.

We, as taxpayers, have had a lot more wasted on a lot less for our dollar; only about 30% of the money paid to NZ Post for the cost of the flag referendum, whanau ora, motel accommodation for the homeless who cannot afford cars, bargain!
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May 15, 2017 8:05am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Just to add, the government has allocated another $60 million over the next 3 years, so another $20 million per year to the ambulance service
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:09am
- cmm
  
  But Paulus, they needed that $5M to send an edgy audio-visual artwork to an exhibition in Venice.
  
  http://www.nzatvenice.com/
  
  Sorry mate, but you’ve got to think of the artists.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:13am
- stephieboy
  
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  Paulus Gnome , why not use the St Johns funding model for the police ?
  
  Love to see you and other errant and stupid Trumpists chip in to fund the shortfall.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:44am
  - Pateke
    
    Apart from my general distaste for your posts Mr Boy, you now add poor grammar to the list. An errant Trumpist is by definition one who strays from the Trumpist line—-which includes yourself.
    Refer to Readers Digest for assistance. It’s called ‘How to improve your word power.”
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:58am
    - David Garrett
      
      Pateke: what do you mean he NOW adds poor grammar to his quiver of…ah…attributes?
      
      My 12 year old can write more better than that boy…
      
      Idiot alert: the last sentence contains IRONY
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:26am
      - Mr_Blobby
        
        You mean he can’t speak proper English, like what we can.
        
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        May 15, 2017 10:03am
      - stephieboy
        
        David Garrett, progress report with your personal Jihad against our 50,000 Muslims ?
        
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        May 15, 2017 1:00pm
  - GazzaW
    
    Welcome back from congress stephieboy. KB was like a cultural desert at the weekend with only very intermittent contributions and barbed witticisms from yourself and the ubiquitous ztrev during tea breaks.
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:05am
    - ztev
      
      Why do you think I work for labour.
      Havent you missed the obvious clues that point to me working for national, maybe even on one of the mid level floors of the Beehive.
      
      We all hear of people who start out left and move to the right as they get older. It happens the other way too- remember Jim Bolger is hardly different now to Jim Anderton.
      perhaps you have noticed my sharpest barbs for those ex beehives flunkies who elbow their way into parliament, leaving enemies behind
      
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      May 15, 2017 10:05am
      - Liberty
        
        Cats are born labour and become National when they open their eyes.
        
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        May 15, 2017 10:48am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Either way, get back to work and stop wasting the income taxpayers provide to you! ?
        
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        May 15, 2017 11:00am
      - RF
        
        Funny that you should post that as it sort of confirms a sneaking suspicion that you just might be a sheep in wolfs clothing. The Nats that you call out are deserving of criticism. I have also seen some of your posts where you put the boot into Labour.
        
        Then again you could be a raving schizophrenic who bats for both teams.
        
        Will the real ztev stand up.
        
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        May 15, 2017 1:37pm
- Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes
  
  Mark Sainsbury was almost in a fit this morning on radio live, concerned that ambulances should be 100% tax payer funded. Teh St Johns CE cam on adn told he they were very happy with the increase to 74% ans as an NGO they do other things and don’t want to be beholdent to Givt masters…..Sainsbury couldnt believe they didnt want more tax payer money…..must be election year!
  
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  May 15, 2017 10:28am
Dafixeruppa

Disappointed in an interview on TVNZ breakfast this morning.
The government has announced another $60 million to go into double crewing the ambulances (Not disappointed in this, in fact I think it is about time).
The union rep that was fronting it on breakfast could only bleat on about how it was still not enough and that we must ensure that all staff are appropriately trained.
Having worked on the ambulance in Auckland and north of Wellington, albeit as a volunteer, I can assure you that all paid staff, irrespective of whether they have a paramedic degree, are sufficiently trained for the role they are doing.
BUT for a union rep I guess you need to keep bleating and saying it is not enough.

Sorry to post a negative this early in the morning, but she got on my wick and ruined my breakfast… although wish there was an alternative to breakfast show in the morning
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May 15, 2017 8:08am
- gazzmaniac
  
  There is an alternative. The big red button in the top corner of your remote.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:14am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Gazz, I would but the missus controls it…
    And as I was typing it, I missed the t on it, and realised that the missus controls I too…
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:44am
- Keeping Stock
  
  That was also the theme on One News last night, until the bloke from St John said that they don’t NEED two trained paramedics per ambulance. He said they were very grateful to be double-crewed with a paramedic and a trained emergency technician, which is what the Government is proposing.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:16am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Here we go:
    
    FIRST Union’s Ambulance Professionals First spokesperson Lynette Blacklaws said the ambulance sector is in urgent need of a funding boost, but the Government is taking “short cuts.”
    
    But she said a similar policy introduced in the UK resulted in heavy criticism and was later scrapped.
    
    However St John chief executive Peter Bradley said ending single crewing is “one of the most significant developments in our ambulance service history”.
    
    “We will be able to recruit 430 frontline jobs over four years and provide rural New Zealand with the same crewing levels as urban areas – a move that will save more lives and make it safer for our crews.”
    
    “It will also give us the chance to promote from within and for a large number of our volunteer ambulance officers to become paid staff.”
    
    https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/-59-million-budget-injection-road-ambulance-in-one-most-significant-developments-nz-service-history
    
    Let’s see now; who to believe? The union hack, or the head of St John…
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:25am
    - cmm
      
      “It will also give us the chance to promote from within and for a large number of our volunteer ambulance officers to become paid staff.”
      
      Except a lot of those volunteers are employed full time in very productive jobs and would never want to be employed by St John (and certainly not unionised).
      
      Take away the make up and we see the union agenda. It looks just like the fire fighter unions who oppose volunteer rural firefighters.
      
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      May 15, 2017 8:58am
    - ztev
      
      Why dont you explain that its a lesser service than now, ie Ambulance callouts are a rationed service and will be even more tightly restricted
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:06am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I’m all for double staffing on every ambulance, but in some of the dangerous situations ambo staff find themselves working in, gang pads, etc, a bloody huge police dog would be a better ‘partner’ than another human ambo.
    
    St John should be fully funded by the taxpayer. Fabulous service for those in need. Take the money off the long list of unnecessary fripperies our taxes are spent on.
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:26am
    - G152
      
      Generally in those situations the police go in first and secure the area before the Ambos go in to treat/transport any patients
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:54am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Agreed, but I know on cold nights in Auckland, having a nice big burly dog to keep you warm would have been nice
        
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        May 15, 2017 10:17am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        In those situations, let the bastards die
        
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        May 15, 2017 10:23am
      - waikatogirl
        
        “In those situations, let the bastards die”
        
        The ambo speaking about turning up alone to a gang member with 50 of his lowlife mates surrounding him was told “if he dies, then so do you”.
        
        How’s that for working under pressure!
        
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        May 15, 2017 11:05am
    - sam green
      
      Yeah – like bribes to the Saudis.
      
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      May 15, 2017 12:53pm
  - niggly
    
    the bloke from St John said that they don’t NEED two trained paramedics per ambulance
    Exactly, someone needs to drive the ambulance so whether the driver is a fully trained paramedic or not sometimes, surely isn’t a major issue the way the union makes it out to be!
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:45am
    - ztev
      
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      They would say that :
      Thats the government line and if you disagree with the ‘line’ you will be punished
      eg Ngaros threats to the salvation army
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:10am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        So what did Ngaro say as a direct threat to the Sallies ztev? I can give you the answer; nothing.
        
        What Ngaro DID point out was a divide in the Salvation Army between the church and the policy arm. And that’s understandable; William Booth’s purpose in establishing the Salvation Army was to preach the gospel of Christ and save the lost, not to meddle in politics.
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:29am
      - Paulus
        
        Sadly the Salvation Army has become a Political Party.
        After many many years they are losing my trust and possibly money.
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:42am
      - cmm
        
        Salvation army used to be people who did good.
        
        Now they’re just another leftie activist group.
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:45am
    - ztev
      
      I live near a large Ambulance station, I have never seen one with lights and sirens on that doesnt have 2 crew.
      Does it mean those with 2 paramedics now will only have one and a ‘plus 1’?
      
      Current St John practice levels
      First Responder (FR):
      Emergency Medical Technician (EMT):
      Paramedic (PARA):
      Intensive Care Paramedic (ICP):
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:21am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Most urban ambulances are double-crewed already ztev, by a mix of St John staff and volunteers. The proposal announced yesterday is to fund an additional 375 paid positions to enable all road ambulance callouts nationwide to be double crewed.
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:32am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        I assume ztev that you live in an Urban area?
        The issue with the single crewing is mostly (if not all) rural.
        Currently in the event of an incident that requires more than a single crew, Fire also respond. In the event that the ambulance requires a driver while the single crewed officer is treating the patient, then a fire officer will drive the ambulance.
        I believe in regards to the levels, that you need to be at least EMT to be a paid with St John, although that may have changed since I left.
        FR was intended as a level for volunteers to give community events some confidence that the person providing support was somewhat trained.
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:34am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Actually Niggly, the way it usually works is the crew take turns with the driving and the patients, that way each gets a variety and a smallish break.
      BUT with a Paramedic (or above) and an EMT, where a job required the advanced skills of the paramedic, even if it was not “their’ patient, they would still take the patient.
      This process by the way was what allowed me as a volunteer to be trained to EMT level, by taking the patients that didn’t need the senior crew and supporting on the patients that did.
      
      In regards to the comments above about volunteer crew going paid, there are a number that would love to be paid to work with St John, but agreed there are a larger number of volunteers that want to get out in their free time to help, but would never want to quit their day jobs (me included)
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:30am
      - niggly
        
        Cool thanks for explaining, that’s good to know and makes perfect sense – and appreciate your service to the community and society! 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:33pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Is he the one who said he had been threatened that he would be killed if the patient died. They should have a hard an fast rule that if they get any threats, the patient is left to fend for themself.
    
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    May 15, 2017 10:02am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      I believe the rule is that you call for backup using the pre-assigned code for an emergency life in danger and keep doing what you need to whilst waiting for the cavalry
      
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      May 16, 2017 8:02am
- G152
  
  Any volunteer sufficiently endowed with common sense to undergo the usual training at Brigade level is capable of crewing on an ambulance…
  As proved by the post above..
  All the volunteers quit then listen for the union rep to scream its little head off !
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:42am
- freemark
  
  Go past any accident/incident/situation involving emergency services and you will always see about 3 x as many vehicles/people as are required to do the job. It is a bloody rort. Alsdo, if you see some dumb f**k who has messed themselves up through stupidity, illegal behaviour etc..let them be, let them die, whatever.
  
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  May 15, 2017 10:05am
- krazykiwi
  
  Thanks for volunteering Dafixeruppa. I had my one and only experience of a St Johns ambo ride recently, and the staff were outstanding
  
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  May 15, 2017 10:11am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Volunteering with St John was definitely a highlight of my life.
    I saw a lot of cases that were distressing to me, but then I also had some good cases too, in particular when you see a child/infant going from unable to breathe to being able to breathe comfortably again during the transit to hospital, or seeing the relief on someones face when the pain meds kick in.
    Or the funny ones, like watching a young kid using Entonox for pain relief for the first time and tripping slightly with “auntie” riding along in the ambulance, telling her to enjoy the trip 🙂
    
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    May 15, 2017 10:21am
Left Right and Centre

Weird factoids . . . whoa
One of the 7/7/05 London bombing dead victims had the name of . . .

Ms Islam

Believe it . . . or not.
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May 15, 2017 8:09am
- RalphT
  
  Miss Islam? I certainly wouldn’t.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:24am
Longknives

Do the Anti-Trump idiots in the Media not realise that if they shriek for his “Impeachment” every time he sneezes (which they pretty much do) it kind of weakens their argument?

And don’t get me started on the SNL jokes on the weekend- Melissa McCarthy and Alec Baldwin making jokes about the size of Trump’s penis and him wanking in the Whitehouse? Stay Classy Guys…(This is the same bunch that attacked his children)
*Strangely I don’t remember them mocking Obama like that..
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May 15, 2017 8:10am
- Lance
  
  But then Obama didn’t get caught on tape talking about grabbing women’s pussies because he was in a position of power.
  
  But yes, I agree it needs to stay classy.
  
  However it is clear we have yet another GD thread of endless Trump blather
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:17am
  - Inandout
    
    Obama wasn’t ‘caught’ doing anything because his disciple media would never have published it. The US Left have dedicated watchers who analyse every utterance from the White House, every nuance and every step Trump takes. This material is finely analysed and the ‘team’ spew their decisions on a daily basis, but in such volume that the average US voter just switches off to the messages. It is rather sad that TDS has become epidemic amongst the Democrats.
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:56am
    - Paulus
      
      I see that 96% of Republicans now support Trump !
      Despite the so called media trying like hell to get the Republicans to get rid of him.
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:45am
    - holysheet
      
      Obama wasn’t ‘caught’ doing anything because he didn’t actually do anything.
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:48am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Lance, quite possibly Obama did, he certainly was a druggie as a teen as well. But non one but no one dared to release any private tapes of Obama because they would have been hounded from public life by the Wacist Screaming brigade had they done so.
    
    Why don’t we yet have Obama’s college and educational records ? Obama sealed them by executive order, so what’s so incriminating in them that they have never been released ? I guess were Trump to not release normally available information, or even strictly private information like tax returns, the MSM would be OK with that too….oh wait.
    
    Just a guess, but maybe that Obama claimed to be an overseas (Kenyan) student and gained monetary advantage from doing so while at Harvard; would fit with what some people recall, and although a minor peccadillo, embarrassing to admit.
    
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    May 15, 2017 10:00am
    - sam green
      
      Barrel. Bottom. Scraping.
      
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      May 15, 2017 6:44pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Crazy birthers gotta be crazy birthers…
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:47pm
  - Scott
    
    This is where liberals get it wrong. Most people understand that there is a difference between what you can say in private and what you can say in public. What Trump said was a private conversation between him and Billy Bush which they did not realise was being recorded.
    
    Now this is different to the public conversations that liberals have when they mock Trump in the most profane manner on broadcast television. Rap stars talk about “grabbing pussy” all the time in their music. So this is public conversation and should be held to a higher standard.
    
    Unfortunately liberals have no standards and only find standards to bash Republicans with. They are fine with profane SNL skits and profane rap stars but when it comes to a Republican having a private conversation 10 years ago – suddenly they are outraged!
    
    It shows the hypocrisies of Liberal Democrats and the fact that they have no standards.
    
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    May 15, 2017 10:30am
    - Kimbo
      
      Rap stars talk about “grabbing pussy” all the time in their music. So this is public conversation and should be held to a higher standard.
      
      Don’t disagree with the principle. But would you also agree that there should be a difference between the character and speech, be it public or private, of a rap star and someone who aspires to and then later achieves the office of POTUS?
      
      I mean, sure every campaign the Republican “says” something that supposedly reveals their true character and hatred of poor and/or black and/or Mexican people, and/or women. “That one” said McCain. “47 percent” said Romney. And yes, What Trump said was private, and he was not campaigning at the time (although he has long-stated he was interested in the office of President). Trump supporters don’t care.
      
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      May 15, 2017 10:41am
      - Kimbo
        
        Speaking of which, Nixon’s Watergate tapes were interesting, and at times amusing, as they revealed among other things, the man’s delightful cynicism.
        
        “See if you can get vice-President and Mrs Agnew close enough to the demonstrators to provoke a reaction. It would be great if we could get the little bastards to over-react. If one of them roughs up Mrs Agnew, make sure she knows to fall to the ground so the press gets lots of pictures”.
        
        Less impressive was the casual anti-Semitism, at least against Eastern intellectuals and Hollywood executives.
        
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        May 15, 2017 10:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Longknives , this Trumpets news flash just in,
  
  https://i.imgflip.com/189sfx.jpg
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:47am
oldpark

In a fit of pique and paranoia, Angry Andy Little, or Mr 7% who earns $1000 a day,. has set out to emulate Jeremy Corbyn the mad dog leader of the UKs Labour Party.Seems he is on the right course if elected. Little and the hater of chinese sounding names ,a reject from Oxfam ,called Twyford,are out to destroy the rental property market to tax the pants of mums and dads who provide accomodation for the homeless. The mums and dads alleged crimes ,their right to claim legitimate business expenses,as they go about providing for their superannuation. Thats just a hint of the punitive taxes that the joined at the hip Lie-bour/Green Party will introduce if elected.Some other nasties, Dead Granny inheritance tax, gift duty tax,just waiting to be re -introduced not forgetting personal income tax being increased. This will come to pass if the sicko envious Lie-bour/Green losers are able to con the electors to vote for them.
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May 15, 2017 8:13am
MCos

Saw this disgusting message on Twitter this morning by Judd Legum @JuddLegum
I was shocked that anyone could say such a thing!

Trump trips an old lady crossing the street, laughs

37% approve

51% disapprove

12% no opinion
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May 15, 2017 8:16am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Imagine the New York Times story if he helped an old lady cross the street. Something like:
  
  “Trump attempts to grope NY woman in plan view of passers-by”.
  
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  May 15, 2017 9:56am
  - RF
    
    Or else Trump is photographed stroking the White House cat. The pussy jokes would never cease.
    
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    May 15, 2017 7:44pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Change that slightly so the old lady is Hillary Clinton and the figures change to 97% approve ! And THAT’S a consensus !
  
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  May 15, 2017 10:02am
  - GoVege
    
    Well thank goodness Trump only goes for women half or less his age…they have a chance of fighting him off.
    Dirty old bugger!
    
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    May 15, 2017 1:03pm
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Oldpark

Labour / Greens administration will not come to pass, MOU or not.

If anything it’ll be Labour / NZF, and in that instance desperate Andy will dump the Greens quicker than the Greens will dump Hayley Holt once her looks and profile have served their purpose.

Andy will then get knifed, be replaced by Gracinda then the whole thing will collapse. It’ll be great to watch, not so great for business and NZInc
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May 15, 2017 8:17am
- VicParking
  
  We had a street Barb for monthers day. Eight families.
  2 Labour always be labour
  1 National always be National
  5 were National last election, 3 to vote Act, 1 to vote labour 1 undecided, might not vote at all.
  After this and listening to piss weak Bill English on Red Radio this morning, “I will undertake and Audit” instead of “I’m confident our man would never be bias” I’m thinking National are riding deadlong to defeat.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
    VicParking , as you seem to listen to it all the time what is the real attaction of Red Radio ?
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:56am
  - mandk
    
    I shouldn’t worry, VP
    
    Just wait until electors are faced with the ghastly prospect of of Little/Ardern/Shaw/Turei/Peters as co-PMs and they’ll soon come to their senses.
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:03am
- Happychappy
  
  Without trying to be negative about your comment I have just read a statement by the Labour Party President saying that they believe they can get the Labour Party to 40% and have no need to do a deal with Winston and NZ First as their objective is to Govern solely with the Greens. I don’t know about you but I’m sure Winston Peters would not be happy reading that as he is not the sort of person to except rejection.
  
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  May 15, 2017 9:46am
Keeping Stock

Monday morning riddle:

What’s the difference between an investor and a property speculator?

The property speculator has a Chinese-sounding surname.
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May 15, 2017 8:17am
- artemisia
  
  Heh. But most of Mr Little’s rhetoric names speculators, but makes no distinction between speculators and investors.
  
  Speculators – shorter term holds usually, more interested in capital gains than ongoing income from rents. May not place on rental market. Pay tax on capital gains under the two year bright line test, or by falling within the IRD definition of a trader.
  
  Investors – longer term buy and hold usually, interested in both income and eventual capital gain. Pay tax on profit once break even point is reached. Always place on rental market, possibly rent to family members. More likely to pass assets on to family via gifting, trust, inheritance.
  
  Around 80% of landlords have one or two rental properties. (That number is a few years old but likely still in this ballpark.)
  
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  May 15, 2017 9:49am
Happychappy

Well I hope Andrew Little took note of discipline handed out to Alfred Ngaro over his comments about Charter Schools. This is in contrast to the weak Labour Leaders weasel talk that occured with Poto Williams and Willie Jackson. Well done Bill English for showing Leadership and fronting the problem immediately.
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May 15, 2017 8:18am
- niggly
  
  TVNZ’s Katie Bradford tried to make a big issue about this last night (about Alfred Ngaro supposedly dissing Alan Johnstone), but all I saw in her news clips was Alfred Ngaro making some light hearted humorous anecdotes. So was Katie Bradford trying to push fake news?
  
  TVNZ didn’t show the Willie Jackson/Charter Schools comment, so have no idea what (and how) it was said (could have been another joke?), however Guyon Espinner made a big deal about it on Radio NZ this morning (but again no audio, so no idea of context) although Guyon said to Andrew Little isn’t it ironic that Alfred Ngaro has to apologise to Willie Jackson about potentially shutting down his Charter School when Labour’s policy is to shut down his Charter School! Andrew Little’s response to that question? Why of course he only talked about Alfred Ngaro and ignored directly answering Guyon’s question about Labour policy to shut down Charter Schools! Loyal Leftie Lapdog Guyon let him off with an “ok” rather than ask Andrew Little to fully answer the question!
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:55am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Maybe Guiyon didn’t push because he knew he would never get a straight answer and wanted to get on to other things?
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:37am
  - Paulus
    
    Couldn’t find anything re Ngaro on either of the two “main” papers websites this morning – saving it I expect.
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:48am
  - ztev
    
    If it was fake news why has he retracted his nasty threats which breach the cabinet manual
    
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    May 15, 2017 10:07am
  - KevOB
    
    USA TV should be banned here so the wannabe journalists don’t get ideas that interviewing the keyboards or not actually naming their source is acceptable. No name=N truth.
    
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    May 15, 2017 11:54am
Albert_Ross

Is it OK to find people with food allergies tiresome?
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May 15, 2017 8:19am
- CHFR
  
  There is a world of difference between those with allergies and those with an intolerance. I find those with allergies bend over backward to work with you to find something they can eat and those with an intolerance just moan about people not taking into account their latest food fad.
  I have friends in both camps so this is just my observation not scientific at all.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    CHFR, yeah right . Not scientific is a big, big understatement .
    
    Moronic would be more like it.
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:53am
    - pentwig
      
      steffie
      being a moron yourself you would understand that
      thank goodness you comprehend something
      
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      May 15, 2017 8:19pm
- Longknives
  
  Had a mate’s Girlfriend who was ‘Gluten Free’ (For a while)
  Boy did we hear about it! She stood behind me while I was trying to cook a BBQ loudly telling me how to ‘avoid contamination’..
  (Interfering in my BBQ’ing is a Crime Punishable by Death at my place)
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:55am
  - holysheet
    
    Care to explain “Had a mate’s Girlfriend “?
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:01am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Overheard a conversation.
    
    “How will I know if someone is gluten intolerant?”
    “Don’t worry. They will tell you.”
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:21am
  - Fletch
    
    New Age guru JP explains how, you too, can become gluten intolerant and embrace the new fad. 😉
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oht9AEq1798
    
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    May 15, 2017 11:37am
- mara
  
  The last time I had a dinner party of 12, 1 was glutin intolerant, 1 was lactose intolerant, 1 was diabetic, 1 was vegan, 1 was vegetarian, 2 were low carbing and another one avoided sodium and potassium. NEVER AGAIN!
  
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  May 15, 2017 9:18am
  - Huevon
    
    Good grief…what happened to being grateful for what’s put in front of you…
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:34am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    That’s an easy one to cater for… frozen water all round
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:38am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Sparkling or tap?
      
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      May 15, 2017 10:31am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Haven’t you heard, sparkling water is bad for you cause the carbonation raises your hunger levels.
        True, heard it on TV this morning!!
        
        (Next week a new report will say carbonated water improves your health) ?
        
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        May 15, 2017 11:22am
      - mara
        
        Not as simple as that PG. Some would demand to know bottled water’s Country of origin. One good thing came of refusing to cook for friends and family. I chucked out 3/4 of pantry contents. Excellent!
        
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        May 15, 2017 11:34am
Manolo

Is Kiwi Corbyn, aka Angry Andy, getting any traction with the Kiwi populace?
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May 15, 2017 8:24am
- Lance
  
  I would normally laugh off Angry Andy and the Greens
  However people are hurting over the lack of housing and stratospheric prices, like it or not.
  If National or not seen to be actually be the solution, they could be in trouble.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:31am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I accept that some people are struggling because of rising house prices Lance. But don’t forget that many people who already own houses have made a significant, possibly once in a lifetime capital gain, which will give them choices later in life.
    
    Here in Whanganui we are getting an increase in people retiring from Auckland, and bringing their capital gain here where they can buy a very nice property, and perhaps invest in a business or a second property. They’re getting away from traffic jams and the frantic pace of life in Auckland, and finding our cafe culture, arts scene and lower cost of living very much to their liking. I am sure other parts of provincial NZ are experiencing the same.
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:53am
    - VicParking
      
      As one of those I agree, however Whanganui has to crawl out of the 50’s, look forward not back and cut their cloth to suit their wallet. My rates in Whanganui are more on a 90k house than my 550k house in Auckland.
      
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      May 15, 2017 8:59am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        I accept that our rates are too high Vic, but increases in population will offset that in the longer term.
        
        Organisations I am involved in are very much focused on looking forward rather than back. People are trying to bring new businesses here, the Government’s Regional Growth Strategy will help, especially with the port revitalisation, and if the Whanganui to Motueka ferry plan comes to fruition, that will be the icing on the cake.
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:09am
      - GoVege
        
        Isn’t that what’s so amazing about Wanganui?
        Its like stepping back in time..
        Nothing wrong with that.
        
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        May 15, 2017 1:16pm
    - Lance
      
      Myself as one who is gaining economically from the huge increase in house prices I hear your statement.
      However that doesn’t alter the fact that there are a lot of the younger generation who are not impressed by the housing shortage and very high prices.
      National might end up like NZ first and be seen as an old peoples party.
      Make no mistake, the youngsters and those not riding the wave are not voting en mass, but if that were to change, a party that they could identify with would have a significant potential voter base.
      To not recognize this risk is head in the sand politics.
      Alas I am starting to believe National are falling into this category
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:54am
      - RF
        
        The expression is.. there goes the neighbourhood. I visited that city recently and was surprised by the number of unemployed anti social youths of mixed races.
        
        A couple of years ago I would have walked the streets on a Saturday night. Not any more…… so sad.
        
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        May 15, 2017 5:06pm
    - VicParking
      
      The port is pie in the sky. Where is the south island will the ships be allowed to land? Evan if it happens Its now frieght only, role on role off, other than a few fags and a pie no $ to the town.
      No even the most optimistic forecasts has Whanganui’s population increasing to any great extent. Whanganui and partners bullshit everything. They change the way they calculate things each year to make thinks look better, but forget to apply the changes to the last years figures DA. The Council spends beyonds its means and not on core requirements just arts and failed farts. Bed nights in town are dropping, ( as a moving average). Most motels are for sale. The working population is being replaced by retires and those on welfare. The census next year will show this clearly. Not saying its not a nice place to live, people are great but as I said before people/Council/ DHB need to be realistic.
      
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      May 15, 2017 10:09am
      - Paulus
        
        Wanganui changed when they upped the Prison to a High Security one.
        Farnau all came in – was a great little town before.
        
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        May 15, 2017 1:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Manolo, at least the NZ public can breathe a sigh of relief that your mad Islamaphobia and Birtherism is not gaining traction.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:51am
  - Longknives
    
    Is ‘Lamaphobia’ the fear of Llamas?
    Or maybe the Dalai Lama??
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:08am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Hey Stephieboy just thought I would let you know that I caught up with your former English teacher the other day.
    Poor women is still very fragile but at least she is back home now after a long spell of fulltime care.
    She is still experiencing crying spells and uncontrollable shaking but her medication does seem to be minimising the problem.
    Might be a nice gesture if you sent flowers but if you do please only put the simple message copied directly as below:
    Get well soon.
    Regards
    Stephieboy
    
    Anything more and we are risking a relapse.
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:43am
    - holysheet
      
      Get well soon.
      Regards
      ~~≈Stephieboy~~ Stupidboy
      
      There, without a doubt, now she will know who its from
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:53am
  - Manolo
    
    Are you really that badly educated, dear stephieboy?
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:44am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    is/are
    
    https://community.languagetool.org/rule/show/THE_NN_AND_THE_NN?lang=en&subId=1
    
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    May 15, 2017 2:00pm
Happychappy

Some of the RNZ Journalists must have investment Properties as they are starting to put pressure on the Labour Leader instead of letting him waffle on without addressing the question that’she being asked.
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May 15, 2017 8:31am
- VicParking
  
  Reporters need to start asking the two questions:
  “What will this policy cost” and “where will he money come from to pay for this policy”
  It does not take an accounting degree to divide 96m by 2600 secondary schools to work out paying, supporting and housing a nurse in each school will cost more than $35k each.
  
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  May 15, 2017 9:05am
KevOB

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

How are soundbites from Labour about taxes and landlords going to have any teeth? The wild property speculators are going to have their “loophole” closed. The only obvious loophole is in Labour heads. Where are the mountains of tax draining through loopholes? This is the politics of envy. Even buyers don’t control property prices so who is being envied for what?

People in business as buyers and seller of property are not speculators. They are taxable on their global net income in NZ if, as most do, they have tax-defined residency status. The two year bright line test helps avoid argument over “intention” which can string out a tax matter for years. They are highly unlikely to have any losses. If they do these form part of their net assessable income for the relevant tax year.

Little and Co. must be thinking of the small handful of active kiwis who buy a doer-upper, almost bust their guts and eventually hope to gain either from acquiring an affordable home, renter or flicker. If the place is not kept they will be taxable. The tax law is clear (mostly) and fair (generally) expenditure incurred will be deductable (usually) and any net loss on the property will be lumped in with any other taxable income for that year. Any such loss is a loss of cash (hardship) and under general principles if it’s good enough to tax its right enough to allow the costs. Equity requires that.

Small landlords are already getting a rough time. The denial of the annual depreciation charge affects their net income for the period. They may recover that depreciation on a later sale but meanwhile they have had the enjoyment of the increased income flow. Without that, renting can be a hardship on landlords as their cash flow may be negative. I have seen that among my clients.

Not another 100 pages of tax law over ignorant envy and all its future amendments.

“Little” does not mean diminished responsibility.
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May 15, 2017 8:46am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The “loophole” Little refers to so disparagingly is a legal principle administered by the IRD. If he and Labour try to close the “loophole”, they will force rents up, making things tougher for renters.
  
  And all the while the taxpayer will be up for the cost of administering the change in tax rules, plus topping up the incomes of those who cannot afford the increased rents.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:57am
  - VicParking
    
    My Accountant has already told me that making the tax system more complex, and this policy will, will make it easier to get around. What he needs to be asked is “details please”.
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:10am
    - cmm
      
      Exactly right.
      
      Trying to make targeted laws that have special provisions tends to have poor outcomes.
      
      An example of this is the driving while using a phone law.
      
      The law specifically only applies to mobile phones. If you browse your podcast list while driving using an iphone, you’re pinged. Browse the some podcasts using exactly the same software on an ipod touch (basically an ipod without the ability to communicate with a cell tower) and the law does not apply.
      
      The same sort of issue will apply with rental houses. Closing loop-holes effectively is really hard to do.
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:52am
  - KevOB
    
    What “legal principle administered by the IRD”?
    
    The IRD do not make law. They have the duty of administration of the law as enacted by Parliament. If its not in the Act it’s not legal. Sometimes that relies on interpretation by skilled IRD staff and matters may even be referred to Court for clarification.
    
    Taxes are frequently imposed on the unwilling but the law applies to all. The Commissioner’s duty requires him to assess even the reluctant and collect by force of law if necessary. One of the stupider things that occurs is defaulters without records which is an open invitation for the Commissioner to determine how much tax is due and payable.
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:27am
  - Happychappy
    
    KS:
    I am not a fan of Duncan or TV Three AM Show but i have just visited the site and listened to the interviews of Andrew Little, Bill English and Andrew King with Garner actually tearing Little’s arguement to pieces. These interviews are worth a look because it shows three opinions and Garner doing a great job to enlighten the Public.
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:36am
  - oldpark
    
    @ KS 8.57AM
    
    best comment of the month on Little and Titfords
    
    lies!lies! and more lies!. To think they are getting mega bucks for misleading potential voters. Just a sample Angry Andy Little gets $1000.00 DOLLARS A DAY for telling lies, if his lies get him the treasury benches,his income could go up to $2000.00 DOLLARS A DAY. yet he wants to screw mums and dads providing for their Super. His craven cowardly bully boy offsider Twyford also gets an inflated income. He also put the boot into NZ citizens with Chinese sounding names, because they had the temerity to purchase a home for their family.
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:38am
- Paulus
  
  I was told some years ago by my local Real Estate person that there is a group of people who have been buying up and do ups they are Teachers (often a couple).
  They are asked to advise them first when a do up comes on to the market.
  They have time to do up and move to the next one.
  
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  May 15, 2017 9:54am
  - KevOB
    
    If these people are unfortunate enough to lose money on their attempt to get ahead I think Little is saying he wants to deny them that loss against other assesable income.
    How are they going to discriminate? Firstly the Commissioner of Inland Revenue can’t do it, that requires an amendment Act by Parliament. Secondly are we going to have rules about how many houses can be sold in a period or the nationality or domicile of the sellers or of the buyers domicile. I could give more but tax law drafting should not be a thing of sport. Even the HR Commissioner could be in on this.
    
    Labour have effectively announced a new tax; Ill defined and bereft of sound advice. (GR?)
    
    Little is little by little being diminished while he confounds.
    
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    May 15, 2017 12:13pm
Inandout

And some people still want our General Election voting to go online, and claim it will be safe. Dumb.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-39896393
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May 15, 2017 9:04am
MCos

The other day someone was grizzling that National’s Northern conference wasn’t getting much publicity.
I’m sure all sorts of good stuff was being discussed such as the ambulance double manning, but Associate Housing Minister Alfred Ngaro was the big news.
In this case I think National would rather nobody noticed their conflab & hoped Labour got all the attention.
With John Key & McCully not there the National talent is suddenly looking pretty thin.
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May 15, 2017 9:36am
rangitoto

Rocketlab say the will attempt their first test launch during a ten day window starting on 22nd May.

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/latest/electron-test-window/
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May 15, 2017 10:10am
rangitoto

Rocketlab announce test window starting 22nd May.

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/latest/electron-test-window/
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May 15, 2017 10:14am
krazykiwi

Jeremy Corbyn promises a “Robin Hood Tax”, similar to what’s being considered in Australia.

Governments: The only organisations that can total up their expenses and then set their income to match.
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May 15, 2017 10:34am
- cmm
  
  Except they’re not getting the income to match.
  
  Corbyn wants to borrow hundreds of billions of pounds.
  
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  May 15, 2017 11:11am
- KevOB
  
  We already have one and it’s called GST. I once designed one for another country and we called it “Nominal Tax”. Poll taxes fail in modern states.
  
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  May 15, 2017 5:26pm
rangitoto

Rocketlab announce ten day launch test window starting 22 nd May.

https://www.rocketlabusa.com/latest/electron-test-window/
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May 15, 2017 11:01am
Stars And Stripes

Goat dragged through Hamilton streets
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/92579946/goat-dragged-through-hamilton-streets.
“A goat was so badly injured after being dragged by a vehicle through Hamilton it had to be put down”.

Probably just Fatima on the way to the mosque for lunch.
Putting things in perspective however this is pretty mild because in Mt Roskill they drag disobedient women through the streets.
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May 15, 2017 11:06am
- waikatogirl
  
  Perhaps that’s how they tenderise goat meat. At least it won’t be full of sand, just the odd bit of gravel mixed in with your goat curry.
  
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  May 15, 2017 11:32am
  - holysheet
    
    Tut tut WG, you usually only tenderise meat once it has been slaughtered. But then I am not up with the play on how other cultures do it.
    
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    May 15, 2017 11:52am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Something about this story doesn’t make sense.
  How could you get into a car without noticing that a goat was tethered to the towbar?
  Are these the same kinds of people who run over toddlers in their driveways?
  Surely the drivers of any following vehicles would have sounded their horns.
  
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  May 15, 2017 12:30pm
  - GoVege
    
    Exactly what I thought!
    Surely this moron had to be deaf and blind or under the influence.
    How could they have been legally driving a vehicle?
    
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    May 15, 2017 10:15pm
- KevinH
  
  S&S that story was appalling to read, the goat would have suffered terribly.
  I would insist that charges of animal cruelty are laid against the driver of the vehicle, there is no excuse for this sort of negligence.
  
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  May 15, 2017 12:30pm
  - Kea
    
    I would have put down the offender as well as the Goat.
    
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    May 15, 2017 12:36pm
RF

Watched part of the Piano on Maori TV last night.

Those early settlers were a randy bunch…. or else maybe it’s just our film industry that thrives on full frontal nudity and sex scenes.

Brings back memories of my youth… I wish…
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May 15, 2017 11:23am
- Inandout
  
  They were randy in part because they had escaped the shackles of Victoria’s England. Imported Muslims have similar reactions to sudden freedoms. I think it is called ‘sexual emergency’.
  
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  May 15, 2017 11:29am
- Longknives
  
  So the 100 odd million we taxpayers pump into Maori Television a year results in yet another re-run of The Piano?? (A 25 year old film?)
  Laughing all the way to the Bank…
  
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  May 15, 2017 1:54pm
Biscuit

Je suis appalled…

11.25am and not a single Kiwiblogger has commented on THE single most important news story of the day:

West Ham United: 0
Liverpool: 4

I am in SUCH a happy mood that, in exchange for my being made a divine chicken ‘n corn ‘n bacon soup, I am about to venture out to mow our lawns!

Pray for any tall bits of grass out there!
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May 15, 2017 11:25am
- holysheet
  
  It just shows you how much we care about english soccer here on KB. SFA
  
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  May 15, 2017 11:56am
- Happychappy
  
  Great result deserve to be in Champions League but I am not crying yet we have one last chance.
  
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  May 15, 2017 1:30pm
- alex Masterley
  
  WH are safe. No enthusiasm for the game.
  
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  May 15, 2017 2:49pm
starboard

**Sultan Ali Abdul Ali Akbari must go**

Convicted kiddy fiddler and sexual deviant Ali Akbari must be deported forthwith back to the muslim shithole from where he came.

Woodhouse..Immigration Minister ( and list mp ) ..wake up !
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May 15, 2017 11:54am
- waikatogirl
  
  Thank you for your ongoing efforts starboard. Keep up the good work.
  
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  May 15, 2017 12:51pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Dare I say ‘Keep it up Starboard”, you are doing a good job.
  
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  May 15, 2017 1:27pm
  - Longknives
    
    Agreed- Sadly it appears National won’t do anything about this ticking time-bomb as they are seemingly scared of offending the Muslim Community..
    When this creature attacks another innocent Woman or Child Woodhouse must be held accountable.
    
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    May 15, 2017 1:51pm
  - starboard
    
    thank gawd for ‘ole bluey that’s all I can say Rachael, or ‘Rachel’ as the mong mm would have it.
    
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    May 15, 2017 2:20pm
  - stigie
    
    He usually does a good job when he keeps it up i would imagine..?
    
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    May 15, 2017 3:10pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      No imagining here 😉 but it is good that some issues are kept alive.
      
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      May 15, 2017 7:36pm
Fletch

WOW. A must read article on the sad truth that so-called “renewable energy” such as wind and solar are neither clean nor green and provide next-to-nothing as far as contributing to the world’s energy consumption. And they never will. Also, construction of these windmills causes more pollution than they are worth. The heavy earth magnets required for these turbines even creates toxic sludge. That’s the dirty little secret.

Here’s a quiz; no conferring. To the nearest whole number, what percentage of the world’s energy consumption was supplied by wind power in 2014, the last year for which there are reliable figures? Was it 20 per cent, 10 per cent or 5 per cent? None of the above: it was 0 per cent. That is to say, to the nearest whole number, there is still no wind power on Earth.

Even put together, wind and photovoltaic solar are supplying less than 1 per cent of global energy demand. From the International Energy Agency’s 2016 Key Renewables Trends, we can see that wind provided 0.46 per cent of global energy consumption in 2014, and solar and tide combined provided 0.35 per cent. Remember this is total energy, not just electricity, which is less than a fifth of all final energy, the rest being the solid, gaseous, and liquid fuels that do the heavy lifting for heat, transport and industry.

Such numbers are not hard to find, but they don’t figure prominently in reports on energy derived from the unreliables lobby (solar and wind). Their trick is to hide behind the statement that close to 14 per cent of the world’s energy is renewable, with the implication that this is wind and solar. In fact the vast majority — three quarters — is biomass (mainly wood), and a very large part of that is ‘traditional biomass’; sticks and logs and dung burned by the poor in their homes to cook with.

Even in rich countries playing with subsidised wind and solar, a huge slug of their renewable energy comes from wood and hydro, the reliable renewables. Meanwhile, world energy demand has been growing at about 2 per cent a year for nearly 40 years. Between 2013 and 2014, again using International Energy Agency data, it grew by just under 2,000 terawatt-hours.

If wind turbines were to supply all of that growth but no more, how many would need to be built each year? The answer is nearly 350,000, since a two-megawatt turbine can produce about 0.005 terawatt-hours per annum. That’s one-and-a-half times as many as have been built in the world since governments started pouring consumer funds into this so-called industry in the early 2000s.

At a density of, very roughly, 50 acres per megawatt, typical for wind farms, that many turbines would require a land area greater than the British Isles, including Ireland. Every year. If we kept this up for 50 years, we would have covered every square mile of a land area the size of Russia with wind farms. Remember, this would be just to fulfil the new demand for energy, not to displace the vast existing supply of energy from fossil fuels, which currently supply 80 per cent of global energy needs.

A two-megawatt wind turbine weighs about 250 tonnes, including the tower, nacelle, rotor and blades. Globally, it takes about half a tonne of coal to make a tonne of steel. Add another 25 tonnes of coal for making the cement and you’re talking 150 tonnes of coal per turbine. Now if we are to build 350,000 wind turbines a year (or a smaller number of bigger ones), just to keep up with increasing energy demand, that will require 50 million tonnes of coal a year. That’s about half the EU’s hard coal–mining output.

Sorry for the large paste – more to read at the link as well –

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/05/wind-turbines-are-neither-clean-nor-green-and-they-provide-zero-global-energy/#
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May 15, 2017 11:57am
- Fletch
  
  Also, wind farms kill an estimated 573,000 birds each year as well as 888,000 bats, according to a 2013 peer-reviewed study published in Wildlife Society Bulletin.
  
  In the last five years, America’s wind turbines killed more than three times as many birds as the British Petroleum Gulf of Mexico oil spill did. They are projected to kill 1.4 million birds annually by 2030.
  
  http://dailycaller.com/2015/04/20/wind-turbines-kill-more-birds-than-bp-oil-spill/
  
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  May 15, 2017 12:01pm
  - Ross12
    
    Didn’t Obama pass a law/regulation that no longer made it illegal kill eagles ( may have been specifically bald eagles ) so the wind farm operators would not get prosecuted ?
    
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    May 15, 2017 2:30pm
  - MCos
    
    Domestic cats in New Zealand alone kill more than two million birds per annum
    
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    May 15, 2017 4:59pm
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      Good morning Gareth
      
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      May 16, 2017 8:10am
Jack5

Language aficianados in the south won’t be the only ones to have noticed in the Christchurch Press today an ultra-PC headline.

The University of Canterbury has an excellent collection of artefacts from Ancient Greece, which it calls the Logie Collection. Art doesn’t get much more Western.

A headline in the Press today describes the collection as the university’s “finest taonga”. This coincides with the use of “te reo” in text other parts of the newspaper to describe Maori language.

Let’s hope southern Maori reciprocate by, in Maori language, using “English” rather than “reo Ingarihi”.

If it really wants to promote Maori language, the Press could occasionally print a supplement in Maori.
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May 15, 2017 12:12pm
- KevOB
  
  They are already borrowing English grammar. You can hear it on the news. That’s common throughout Polynesia.
  
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  May 15, 2017 12:20pm
  - cha
    
    Dog forbid the English language ever borrows anything.
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    May 15, 2017 12:44pm
    - Kea
      
      It’s never going to happen you freedom hating commie 🙂
      
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      May 15, 2017 12:47pm
- Kea
  
  Written Maori is an English Taonga not a Maori one. Maori was an oral language only.
  
  The cheeky darkies should show some gratitude and cultural respect towards our sacred Taonga.
  
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  May 15, 2017 12:39pm
- Longknives
  
  Artefacts from Ancient Greece?
  Surely not? We are always being told that us lowly Europeans don’t have any Culture??
  
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  May 15, 2017 2:01pm
Kea

I have enjoyed reading up on Celtic history after being prompted by JJ & Beastly to research “white” history and in particular the Celts.

‘The men are much more sexually interested in each other than in women;
they lie around on animal skins and have full pleasure with a lover on either side of them.
The extraordinary thing is that they haven’t the smallest regard for their personal dignity or self-respect;
they offer themselves to other men without the least compunction.
Moreover, this isn’t looked down upon or regarded as in any way disgraceful:
on the contrary, if one is rejected by another to whom he has offered himself, he takes offence.’

It seems the rampant sodomy and boy buggery supposedly came to end as the Church took hold. What we now know is that the Catholic Church simply wanted exclusive control of these dubious pleasures of the flesh and institutionalised these things. A tradition they have carried through to the present day.
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May 15, 2017 12:22pm
Kea

The Greeks even claimed that the Celts sometimes slept with two boys simultaneously.

http://www.soldiers-of-misfortune.com/history/gay-warriors.htm

Seems they were all doing it back then, regardless of culture or religion.
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May 15, 2017 12:28pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kea, yet another pointless post from you .
  
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  May 15, 2017 1:05pm
  - Kea
    
    stupidboy writes a post pointing out another post is pointless. Most people just ignored it moron 🙂
    
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    May 15, 2017 5:36pm
starboard

You still beat him stupidboy..18635 of muslim loving shite.
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May 15, 2017 1:15pm
Manolo

The incompetent messiah was once a fan:
http://au.complex.com/life/2017/05/harvard-law-student-barack-obama-becoming-donald-trump-american-dream

In 1991, Obama, a 29-year-old soon-to-be Harvard Law School grad, wrote a paper with a friend, Robert Fisher, called “Race and Rights Rhetoric.” Obama summed up the average American’s mindset with the following sentence: “I may not be Donald Trump now, but just you wait; if I don’t make it, my children will.”
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May 15, 2017 2:28pm
Manolo

Italy’s renewed barbarian invasion:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4504018/Italy-rescues-484-migrants-Mediterranean-finds-7-bodies.html

Record-breaking numbers of migrants are crossing the Mediterranean from Africa to Italy, prompting fears that authorities are powerless to stop another crisis. Despite a huge political drive to prevent asylum seekers risking their lives on the deadly crossing from lawless Libya, the number of arrivals has surged by 42% already this year.

Some 44,222 asylum seekers have reached Italian shores this year, compared to 31,205 at the same time last year.
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May 15, 2017 2:50pm
- Kea
  
  The time to bitch about Libya was when Obama was actively supporting the destruction of the country and dropping bombs on it.
  
  Now Northern Europeans and the Italians have to pick up the pieces.
  
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  May 15, 2017 5:38pm
GoVege

Ohhh Godddd/Dogggg!
Out with my disabled son and some idiot in a black burqa plonked themself down close by.
He actually got frightened so I had to calm us both down….
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May 15, 2017 3:35pm
- nasska
  
  Tell him they’re doing a remake of Star Wars nearby & Darth Vader was having a cigarette break.
  
  It’ll make more sense than the real explanation.
  
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  May 15, 2017 4:13pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Hmm. And yet again, nasska, your capacity to add value to theology by cutting through the details to the heart of the matter is demonstrated. Have you considered switching from crutching ewes to lecturing in divinity? A late career-change, I realise, but you are a natural.
    
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    May 15, 2017 4:31pm
    - nasska
      
      I retire soon Kimbo & I was thinking of combining a bit of voluntary social work with my main interest of deprogramming the unfortunate victims of religious nuts. I feel that giving these poor people their natural lives back should be classed under the heading of good works.
      
      An anti proselytism professional if you like. 🙂
      
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      May 15, 2017 4:43pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How exciting…
        I wonder what techniques you are going to employ.
        
        I’ll be willing to help deprogram, especially if you are in to kickbacks…
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprogramming
        
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        May 15, 2017 5:32pm
      - nasska
        
        I’m still working on the details Maggy but I’ll keep you posted on whatever techniques we’ll try first. 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 5:55pm
  - GoVege
    
    Thanks for the tip, nasska…I’ll definitely try that!
    He’s more of a Harry Potter fan though, maybe I’ll try telling him it’s Professor Snape in disguise…
    How did Mothers Day go…or are you still recovering? 🙂
    
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    May 15, 2017 10:01pm
- Nostradamus
  
  GoVege:
  
  some idiot in a black burqa
  
  Does Stephieboy wear a disguise when he’s out in public now?
  
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  May 15, 2017 4:17pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Nostradamus, as the Kiwiblog archivist, has your attention been drawn yet to the new and occasional series here on Kiwiblog, Postcards from Stars and Stripes (© 2017). S&S’s road trip to Otaki, then the Coastlands Mall, followed by reports from A&E at Middlemore Hospital and a WINZ office (Mt Roskill branch?) offer fascinating social commentary, tit-bits that will give historical researchers valuable data to mine in the generations to come, plus they are ball-bustingly funny.
    
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    May 15, 2017 4:20pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Kimbo:
      
      Yes, I’ve seen the Postcards from Stars and Stripes contributions, and I agree that they deserve a place on the top shelf – where only the best Kiwiblog contributions go!
      
      (Now, if someone could suggest what I should do with Mikenmild’s 30,000-odd comments, I’d be grateful. He’s taking up a lot of space!)
      
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      May 15, 2017 4:25pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Could they be recycled/ repurposed/ upcycled…..
        
        or just composted?
        
        (I’m looking for Green solutions)
        
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        May 15, 2017 5:12pm
      - stigie
        
        Plenty of space at the famous for different people…..Hagley Park where there’s plenty of solutions Maggy..?
        
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        May 15, 2017 5:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stigie
        
        I’ll take your word for it – re Hagley Park.
        
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        May 15, 2017 5:40pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Maggy:
        
        (I’m looking for Green solutions)
        
        You’ve given me an idea – 2 ideas actually.
        
        We could use battery storage technology to capture some of Mikenmild’s less interesting comments and turn them into an energy source. My first idea is to make that energy source available to Griff for his off-grid colony. My second idea is to use that energy source to ensure that the lights never go out at Hagley Park. Open to other suggestions…
        
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        May 15, 2017 5:59pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        My first idea is to make that energy source available to Griff for his off-grid colony
        
        Excellent idea. So has he re-surfaced? There’s a distinct lack of smego-gibbering around here right now.
        
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        May 15, 2017 7:18pm
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Perhaps re-using the letters in different configurations to create caring meaningful, positive uplifting posts, the antithesis of the mm
        
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        May 16, 2017 8:13am
Tookinator

Will be on the 6pm news tonight (TV1) was told it may be the lead story (on organ donation)
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May 15, 2017 4:41pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Tookinator:
  
  You’ve achieved something (top spot on the 1 NEWS at 6pm bulletin) that Hugh Pavletich couldn’t achieve in his wildest dreams!
  
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  May 15, 2017 4:47pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Nostradamus:
    
    Great to see that Hugh is indelibly etched into your mind!
    
    Such is the power of this housing reformer!
    
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    May 15, 2017 6:09pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Rodney Randall:
      
      Such is the power of this housing reformer!
      
      What “power” exactly? The power to promote his Demographia survey to the point where Kiwibloggers beg for mercy?
      
      Or do you mean a higher-level power? (In which case, I’d be grateful if you could give an example of anything that anyone, anywhere, has done in response to something that Hugh has said…)
      
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      May 15, 2017 6:35pm
dad4justice

To the 300 freezing workers in Ashburton who are about to lose their jobs so the Chinese can start a bottling plant you have my condolences. What is happening to this country!!! This MUST STOP.
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May 15, 2017 5:26pm
- Kea
  
  Great just what that shit-hole needs; Industrious civilised Chinese.
  
  No idea how filing a few water bottles means a meat processing plant needs to close though 🙂
  
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  May 15, 2017 5:46pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Kapatone Wool Scour was a good employer of local kiwi’s before Mr Wong and his communist money brought the factory so they can bottle water and make China richer. Fuck the local worker who cares about kiwi workers !!! This MUST STOP.
    
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    May 15, 2017 5:54pm
    - Kea
      
      So what is closing ?:
      
      a. Kapatone Wool Scour ?
      b. The Freezing Works ?
      c. None of the above because you are talking shit again >
      
      It might pay to check with nasska, but I am pretty sure they don’t usually kill a sheep and cut it up each time they shear it.
      
      Either way I am sure your new Chinese Overlords will sort it out for you Dad 🙂
      
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      May 15, 2017 5:59pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Go away Kea you pathetic pest. Kapatone is shut and Fairton is getting the bad news this week. China wins again.
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:06pm
      - Kea
        
        dad4justice
        
        Go away Kea you pathetic pest. Kapatone is shut and Fairton is getting the bad news this week. China wins again.
        
        Lamb flap prices rise to 20-month high as higher Chinese demand meets lower NZ supply
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11760591
        
        Bwwwwahahahaha 🙂 🙂 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Shanghai Maling has 50% ownership of Silver Fern farms – who run Ashburton (Fairton) meatworks.. and they are the owner (?part owner) of Aquarius bottling co..
    
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    May 15, 2017 5:58pm
    - Jack5
      
      Maggy a link to the Ashburton water row.
      
      Six water consents are attached to the Fairton site.
      
      An interesting snippet from this report from the Ashburton Guardian:
      
      … overseas investors have largely abandoned quests to purchase land and obtain water consents in favour of finding sites with existing consents and rail sidings.
      
      The Chinese are enthusiastically buying up natural resources upstream in Africa, South America, and wherever else suckers don’t give a stuff or are open for low price purchase. On the other hand, try buying land in China, or try buying into China’s core industry – steel.
      
      The Ashburton water fiasco is showing how impotent NZ’s foreign investment regime is. This could be an issue in the coming election.
      
      Details on how the sale of a majority stake in NZ meat producer Silver Fern Farms to China has allowed Shanghai Maling Aquarius Driving Water to get a stake in free NZ water for export:
      
      http://www.newsie.co.nz/news/30776-waterbottling-fears-surface-canty.html
      
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      May 15, 2017 8:27pm
      - Jack5
        
        China is getting desperate for water. NZ should be getting a high price for this resource rather than giving it away.
        
        Here’s a Chinese city planning to pipe water 1000km from Lake Baikal, in Russia:
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/07/parched-chinese-city-plans-to-pump-water-from-russian-lake-via-1000km-pipeline
        
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        May 15, 2017 8:57pm
      - Kea
        
        Oh no the Yellow Peril teaming up with the evil Russians !!!!
        
        Lunatic Jack-off 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:01pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kea, you are obviously nearing your final flame-out from Kiwiblog.
        
        Save your self-immolation for a weekend night when the General Debate readership is higher.
        
        What is a bright, young (or perhaps youngish) physicist doing here any way? Pretty trivial stuff compared with string theory, isn’t it? 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:08pm
      - Kea
        
        You are too timid Jacko, sound off like you got a pair and you can make the KB honour roll of those wounded and killed defending freedom of speech 🙂
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/comments_policy
        
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        May 15, 2017 9:15pm
- nasska
  
  NZ sheep numbers are heading down Dad & fewer works are required to handle them. In 2007 we had about 39 million head……in 2015 the muster was down to 29 million.
  
  But I admit to being challenged as to how NZ Inc benefits from having Chinese bottle free water for their domestic consumption.
  
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  May 15, 2017 5:49pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Nothing to do with sheep numbers Hillbilly it’s all about the WATER and huge back handers. This MUST STOP now National!
    
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    May 15, 2017 5:56pm
    - nasska
      
      Ashburton isn’t the only place in NZ with good quality Artesian water Dad. It is however one of the few with an unprofitable works & the wells already in place.
      
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      May 15, 2017 6:02pm
      - Kea
        
        I for one welcome our new Yellow Skinned Commie Heathen overlords.
        
        Dad might even get a job there, now the removal of the sheep lessens his opportunity to re-offend resulting in a breach of his parole conditions 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:08pm
    - Kea
      
      If the water is that valuable then why didn’t the inbreed local yokels start up their own bottling plant Cletus, instead of molesting sheep ?
      
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      May 15, 2017 6:05pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Kea what are you talking about when you say parole? Careful now dingbat. Are you another bigot blouse identity such is your hatred and your malicious lies are much the same.
      
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      May 15, 2017 6:10pm
      - Kea
        
        Oh you have been re-called ? My bad 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:13pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Go away big bruv funny you have disappeared now your maggot infested parrot is back. Surely aids must get Clint soon? How many identities 12 or 13?
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:18pm
      - stigie
        
        You might be in luck Dad, haven’t seen big bruv around here in the evenings for yonks..?
        Mind you, you just don’t know when he’s going to pop in !~
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:20pm
      - dad4justice
        
        stigfly, maggot infested parrot are just part of the Clint H club. Gawd no wonder redbaiter left here. How can you debate with a aids infested individual with blogger 12 identities? Such a sick and sad person I hope the agony for you ends soon.
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:32pm
      - Kea
        
        Can someone please tell me who Dad’s friend “Clint” is ?
        
        I am picking he is another one of Dad’s ex’s from Hagley Park who has broken his heart 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:38pm
      - stigie
        
        Im not in agony Dad, just love to know who these 12 identities are, is the Professor one of them..?
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:38pm
      - nasska
        
        Kea
        
        Clint Heine used to run a blog where BigBruv quite frequently posted. The blog folded a few years ago (2008 if my memory serves me correctly) but Dad has always considered it to be his nemesis.
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:58pm
      - sam green
        
        Dad. Clint’s on the phone for you.
        
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        May 15, 2017 7:02pm
  - Kea
    
    But I admit to being challenged as to how NZ Inc benefits from having Chinese bottle free water for their domestic consumption.
    
    Do they really get it for free ?
    
    If so, that is crazy and we need to clip the ticket. Either way our lack of business acumen reflect poorly on us, not on the Chinese.
    
    Not hard to see how it might happen though with the likes of MadDad running the show.
    
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    May 15, 2017 6:18pm
    - Kea
      
      The evil Chinese are killing our sheep meat industry resulting in job loses ?
      
      Yeah right !
      
      2017 New Zealand Institute of Primary Industry Management
      China
      
      New Zealand’s sheepmeat exports to China are heavily dominated by lamb value cuts and mutton. China is our largest volume market for mutton, but also takes around 30% of our export lamb. The value of lamb exports to China has increased 350% over the last five years from $102 million to $459 million.
      
      https://www.nzipim.co.nz/BlogPost?Action=View&BlogPost_id=7
      
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      May 15, 2017 6:29pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Go away Clint Heine surely your nurse needs to administer medication.
      
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      May 15, 2017 6:38pm
      - Kea
        
        That is an awful lot of imaginary friends you have there Dad.
        
        How come they are all Gay and “rotting with AIDS” ?
        
        Is there something you are not telling us ?
        
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        May 15, 2017 6:43pm
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Steve, is that you?
        
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        May 16, 2017 8:17am
Brigitte

NZ MUSIC MONTH

From 2001, Dimmer with I Believe You Are A Star:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94uy1CQbBJA
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May 15, 2017 5:59pm
Harriet

It’s just been reported a 27yld guy in Aussie killed his mother. On mother’s Day. It was also reported that the police arrested him in his car and took custody of a crossbow. It has been updated. He killed his mum with a pitch fork! nice.
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May 15, 2017 6:34pm
- fernglas
  
  Typical Aussie cops. Two holes in the chest should have been a dead giveaway.
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:49pm
dad4justice

Hey Nostra look at the Clint Heine club on display again. You know I am right eh?
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May 15, 2017 6:40pm
- Kea
  
  Did you love him Dad ?
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:02pm
- sam green
  
  Dad. You were pretty when you were young. Why all the surgery?
  
  http://metro.co.uk/2016/10/25/this-is-what-pete-burns-looked-like-before-all-of-the-surgery-6213310/
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:12pm
  - nasska
    
    Close but no cigar Sam. This was the real Dad at the beginning of his stunning career. 🙂
    
    http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5294/5526369569_fb28e6dfb6_b.jpg
    
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    May 15, 2017 7:22pm
    - sam green
      
      Oh my my.
      
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      May 15, 2017 7:24pm
      - nasska
        
        It was probably all those smelly trotters in ug boots that drove him away from girls & into the glory holes down at Hagley Park! 🙂
        
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        May 15, 2017 7:33pm
  - stigie
    
    Geez Sam, you’ve just given my desktop pc a virus !~
    
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    May 15, 2017 7:39pm
    - sam green
      
      Should’ve used protection. ?
      
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      May 15, 2017 7:44pm
dad4justice

My fan club is out in force tonight. lol. Sad, sad, sad.
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May 15, 2017 7:19pm
- sam green
  
  I feel so close to you when you make that little “lol”.?
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:22pm
- Kea
  
  I understand you are hurting Dad and feel used by all those men. Perhaps you need to stay away from Hadley Park and try and meet a nicer type of man who will not cruelly use you as a sex thing and toss you aside.
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:23pm
  - sam green
    
    …..like a raggedy, stained used Kleenex.
    
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    May 15, 2017 7:26pm
    - Kea
      
      Maybe you are just a dud root Dad ?
      
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      May 15, 2017 7:29pm
dad4justice

Sick stuff from keyboard cowards. I guess the type of character that dwells in malicious smears and hides behind anonymity is your just a pathetic laughable sicko without a life. Miserable sods of the jellyfish species. Goodbye haters.
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May 15, 2017 7:35pm
- sam green
  
  Bye dad. ?
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:36pm
- Kea
  
  He’s off down the park. When will that boy learn 🙂
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:43pm
Awww C-mon

On form ranting tonight dad,

I haven’t counted the comments but considering not one actually made sense it’s a pretty impressive feat.

For future reference, do you have a translation dictionary I could down load?

Perhaps it’s something you could put together in the small amounts of time that you are lucid
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May 15, 2017 7:36pm
stigie

No such luck AC, we are still waiting for Dad to bring out his book with all the juicy sordid stuff that he promised us..?
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May 15, 2017 7:45pm
- Kea
  
  Well we at least learnt the biggest buyers of NZ sheep are undermining our sheep industry, and drinking all our water too 🙂
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:46pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  I have heard rumours of Dads memoirs, but ahhhh, who could understand them?
  
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  May 15, 2017 7:52pm
krazykiwi

Chavez is applauding from his grave. His successor Maduro will probably take time out from killing the already starving citizens to send a congratulatory note.

Yes, Theresa May is getting ready to implement her energy price cap, a move that will ‘save’ UK consumers ₤1.7b each year.

Never mind the fact that intervening in markets like this is disastrous as demonstrated when Maduro regulated the price of bottled water below the supply cost.

The energy bill price cap is nonsense to start with, and worse in light of the UK’s Green energy subsidy and taxes which added ₤7.3b to bills last year, and rising to ₤14.3b by the end of this year.

This would be disgraceful from Greens or Labour.

It’s unforgivable from a Conservative government.
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May 15, 2017 7:49pm
RF

Every night the drunk driver Dan Carter gets on his knees and prays that his court case gets pushed out, and out and out so eventually there is no interest and eventually in 2025 it will be on page 137 of a local news paper.

What a cunning ploy. Who said wee precious was thick.
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May 15, 2017 7:59pm
- Kea
  
  While others who make their living groping men in a paddock get busted for Class A drugs.
  
  To think people look up to these corporate owned sleazy thugs.
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:02pm
nasska

Queen Elizabeth and Dolly Parton die on the same day, and both go before an Angel to find out if they’ll be admitted to Heaven. Unfortunately, there’s only one space left that day, so the Angel must decide which of them gets in. The Angel asks Dolly if there’s some particular reason why she should go to Heaven. Dolly takes off her top and says, “Look at these, they’re the most perfect breasts God ever created, and I’m sure it will please God to be able to see them every day, for eternity”. The Angel thanks Dolly and asks Her Majesty the same question. The Queen takes a bottle of Perrier out of her purse, and drinks it down. Then, pees into a toilet and pulls the lever. The Angel says, “okay, your Majesty, you may go in”. Dolly is outraged and asked,”What was that all about, I show you two of God’s own perfect creations and you turn me down. She pees into a toilet and she gets in! Would you explain that to me”? “Sorry, Dolly says the Angel, but even in Heaven A Royal Flush Beats a Pair No Matter How Big They Are”.
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May 15, 2017 8:12pm
JasonJohns

White patriots rejoice! Your 10,000 year history of occupation of NZ as status as the tangata whenua of this country is at last coming out of the PC mist
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11854720

Noel Hilliam is one of the giants of NZ historical research. He has discovered not only Celtic but Greek, Phoenician, Basque, and Chinese civilisations here. The truth is now coming out…this is a very old, very white nation, one of the ancient hubs of civilisation…
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May 15, 2017 8:14pm
- JasonJohns
  
  Many Kiwibloggers may be interested to read more about the patriotic white researchers who are discussed in the Northern Advocate’s article about NZ’s hidden 210,000 year history. Kerry Bolton whose ‘Lords of the Soil’ is mentioned in the article has been a part of the patriotic scene for many decades. His edition of the Protcols of the Elders of Zion is a classic expose of the corrupt force that shape our world http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5679086-protocols-of-the-learned-elders-of-zion-in-context It is great to see Bolton’s ideas getting prootion in our MSM
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:25pm
- Kea
  
  But the matter isn’t so simple. In ancient Greece pederasty was a widely accepted practice
  
  Even at the time, the Celtic warrior aristocracy, famous for its ferocity, were known by the Greeks and Romans to have preferred the sexual company of men. The Greeks even claimed that the Celts sometimes slept with two boys simultaneously.
  
  http://www.soldiers-of-misfortune.com/history/gay-warriors.htm
  
  LOL 🙂
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:25pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    Do you deny NZ’s ancient white history kea? And have you read and learned fro the Protcols of the Elders of Zion? I think you will find Kerry Bolton is making NZ proud by being on the frontlines of white nationalism worldwide. He writes for some of the top white pride websites in the world. And now our MSM is finally starting to acknowledge his contributions to racial consciousness…https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/08/breaking-the-bondage-of-interesta-right-answer-to-usury-part-4/
    
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    May 15, 2017 8:47pm
    - Kea
      
      Do you deny your gay history of boy buggery ?
      
      I am all for defending European culture and you would get a few laughs suggesting I am overly protective of the Jews 🙂
      
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      May 15, 2017 8:57pm
- Kea
  
  “White patriots rejoice! Your 10,000 year history”
  
  While relationships in ancient Greece involved boys from 12 to about 17 or 18,[8] in Renaissance Italy they typically involved boys between 14 and 19,[9
  
  In Ancient Rome, relations with boys took a more informal and less civic path, men taking advantage of dominant social status to extract sexual favors from their social inferiors or carrying on illicit relationships with freeborn boys.[15]
  
  the Celts also partook and despite the beauty of their women, preferred the love of boys.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:46pm
- mikenmild
  
  discovered not only Celtic but Greek, Phoenician, Basque, and Chinese civilisations here
  
  What about the Egyptians, Persians, Romans, Vikings, Smurfs, Ruritanians, Hobbits and Teletubbies? Surely there are archaeological traces of their settlements here too.
  
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  May 15, 2017 9:26pm
  - nasska
    
    On occasions you display a cruel streak Mike. 🙂
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:30pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Here’s one for you, nasska:
      http://www.iflscience.com/brain/damage-to-specific-site-in-the-brain-may-be-linked-to-religious-fundamentalism/
      
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      May 15, 2017 9:51pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        And evolution also drives religious nuttery: Signing up as an ISIS Jihadi lets you go and rape 10’s of women (and appallingly rape has higher likelihood of pregnancy than consensual sex), a pretty good result for typical no-hopers who join Isis.
        
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        May 15, 2017 10:16pm
  - Kea
    
    Yes all very well milky, but did they bugger boys with the enthusiasm of the Europeans ?
    
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    May 15, 2017 9:33pm
RF

Kea. When you think about it chemical Ali was only screwing up up his life and not involving others.

On the other hand Carter in the eyes of the law was pissed and speeding by his own admission. That is unforgivable in any country as it endangered others.

The little prick is living the high life in France and I do hope the fix is not in as it’s been some time since he was arrested and charged.
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May 15, 2017 8:19pm
- Kea
  
  Do we normally idolise people who contribute nothing to society and do Class A drugs ?
  
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  May 15, 2017 8:34pm
JasonJohns

Kerry Bolton on the achievements of South Africa before the coming of darkness:
https://www.counter-currents.com/2011/09/apartheid-lest-we-forget-or-never-knew/
Thanks to the Northern Advocate thousands of NZers now are being exposed to this icon of the alt-right. It is a good day to be white.
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May 15, 2017 8:49pm
Manolo

Taking the piss:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4507592/Six-Iranian-refugees-Australian-visas-caught-homeland.html
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