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William of Ockham

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Global warming means more water in the atmosphere so more frequent and worse floods.

Human activity has raised the CO2 level 40%, adding so much energy the mean global surface temperature has risen 1C. More to come.

We’ve been living in a very special period of stable climate that we’ve taken for granted. It’s ending. Now.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geologic_temperature_record#/media/File:All_palaeotemps.svg
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April 6, 2017 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Shit on a stick so early in the morning. 🙁
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:04am
- Garbageman
  
  Good old William spray ya shit walk away and laugh as the locals rinse & repeat the same tired old arguments what a knob ! although this tactic is slightly more amusing to me than shit poetry
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:06am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Umm, sorry WOck, didn’t you know that human made Global warming has been debunked, it is now about human impact climate change, which there will be much debate about. (For the record, I do not believe human’s have that much impact on the climate, but that is only an opinion.)
  By the way, you should also be wary of trusting to wikipedia for any contentious issues as it has been proven to be routinely manipulated to present one side only.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:07am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    I see the down-tick is for the apostrophe on humans.
    I shall endeavor to do better next time
    
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    April 6, 2017 8:12am
- KevOB
  
  Proof please. What global warming? Where’s the science that would pass the Feynman tests?
  
  Next you’ll put up mathematically nonsensical climate models in reproof.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:14am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Indeed. Proof is what we want..
    
    and Kiwibloggers there’s $6000 up for grabs if you can furnish proof for global warming that will endanger humans by 2050.
    http://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2017/03/if-you-can-prove-dangerous-man-made-global-warming-you-win-5000/
    
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    April 6, 2017 8:23am
- All_on_Red
  
  Meanwhile some science is released
  ‘1. Has Global Warming Affected Hurricane or Tropical Cyclone Activity?
  Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory/NOAA
  Last Revised: Mar. 17, 2017
  Synthesis and Summary for Atlantic Hurricanes and Global Warming
  In summary, neither our model projections for the 21st century nor our analyses of trends in Atlantic hurricane and tropical storm counts over the past 120+ yr support the notion that greenhouse gas-induced warming leads to large increases in either tropical storm or overall hurricane numbers in the Atlantic.’
  
  Dennis needs to lay off the Nitrous.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:23am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Billy boy I have started up ticking your posts, I enjoy starting the GD with a giggle so thank you for another delightful post
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:48am
- Kleva Kiwi
  
  William of Ockham.
  Wants to be taken seriously.
  Quotes Wikipedia.
  Fails at the first hurdle…
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:56am
- Peter
  
  The biggest block to the public believing AGW is the type of people preaching AGW.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:06am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Same old story. If there’s a water shortage, global warming caused it. If there’s too much water, global warming caused that too.
  
  If there’s no observation that could falsify your theory, that’s a strong clue your theory is crap.
  
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  April 6, 2017 10:12am
Paulus Gnome

As much as I detest the newinions presented in the premier Auckland chip wrapper, they do come up with some gems even though it is not of their making.

This popular court case doing the rounds at the moment, has thrown up this: ‘Little said he had wanted to settle the case prior to the trial – but concluded the Hagamans had no interest in settling after what he described as the “most bizarre negotiation” he had ever been involved in.

‘The Hagamans had rejected two offers of $26,000 and $100,000 and said the wording of the apology was inadequate, but Little said they had never provided him with the wording they wanted.
However, in cross-examination the Hagamans’ lawyer, Richard Fowler, presented a letter from last December in which the wording the Hagamans wanted for an apology was included.

Little conceded that, but said there was no further attempt to amend it to something acceptable to both. “This was the opening gambit and I would expect negotiations to continue.”

The first thing is that it may well be the ‘most bizarre negotiation’, but who made it bizarre? The little one is trying to mitigate the outcome by claiming the Hagamans made the situation bizarre by refusing to accept his apolglies and offers of settlement late in the day perhaps? All the man had to do was hold his hand up, say I got it wrong and I apologise blah blah blah. Little chose not to.

‘Never provided the wording they want’ – now that is bizarre! Maybe it is the way these instances are settled and should I ever be involved in such an action whereby I get to provide the wording for an apology to be given by the offending party, it will be a complete Monty Python sketch on steroids delivered by Catherine Tate!

And then, the wording for the apology is provided which Little must have known existed, however, had chosen to say that such wording had never been received; using small words, he lied. Now that is bizarre.

‘the opening gambit and I would expect negotiations to continue.” should be reading as ‘this fing dead rat is just too furry, too large and not quite dead and I can’t swallow it’

A trained and professional lawyer lies in his own defence and looks surprised when he is called on it.

I feel for this man and do not want to see him loose his house because he has spoken like an arse and then refused to acknowledge the inappropriateness of his action. Littles failure to rectify his actions in a civilised manner required by his position in society demonstrates his complete ignorance, his arrogance and his suitability to hold public office let alone be a pivotal figure in any government aside from Robert Mugabees’.

There is more in the article but I am cognisant that space on this forum is needed for really important things like endless repetitive copy and paste articles from Christchurch about the Auckland housing market and the propensity to be dissed here for posts that become too long! 🙂

For the full side splitting chip wrapper event: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11832548
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April 6, 2017 8:03am
Manolo

White House infighting:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/04/05/steve-bannon-reportedly-removed-from-national-security-council-in-reorganization.html
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April 6, 2017 8:07am
- All_on_Red
  
  Bannon should stick to doing what he does best. You know, talking secretly to Russia on the special phone which is tin cans joined by string connected to the secret clubhouse in the Oak Tree in the backyard.
  In other news Trump once went to the Russian Tea Rooms in NYC, gasp, shock.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:13am
- Scott
  
  Cnbc editors choices amuse me. Steve Bannon is front page news. It may be much ado about nothing? It may be a minor reshuffle of staff? But it’s front page news!?
  
  Whereas the real front page news – Susan Rice spying on Trump team for a year! Nothing. Nada. Nothing to see, let’s move along.
  Susan Rice, National Security advisor to President Obama was spying for a year on Trump. Why did she do that? Was she under orders from someone higher up? Now that is front page news!!
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:15am
  - mikenmild
    
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    Let me help you with some basics.
    Susan Rice was not ‘spying’ on Trump; as National Security Adviser she was privy to information linking the Trump campaign to Russian actors of interest to the intelligence agencies.
    Appointing the supremely unqualified Bannon to the NSC principals committee, while removing the Chairman of the JCS from the same group, was not a minor act. Correcting this seems to indicate that McMaster is winning his battle to keep the NSC as a professional operation.
    
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    April 6, 2017 8:22am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Of course Rice wasn’t ‘spying’. The FBI and the NSA were doing that!She was just reading the transcripts. No doubt Obama was too. Apparently since July last year- during the selection process.
      There is no evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia.
      Let’s face it. If there was it would have been leaked by now!
      Bwhahahahahahaha
      
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      April 6, 2017 8:29am
      - PhilBest
        
        “…If there was it would have been leaked by now!…”
        
        Ex-act-ly!
        
        And whether there was or wasn’t, the crimes that have been committed without a doubt, are the breaches of the law surrounding surveillance and confidentiality.
        
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        April 6, 2017 10:38am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Susan Rice was precisely “spying” on the Trump campaign by requesting numerous unmasking of US citizens identities. This information was disseminated in briefings with Obama’s inner circle of advisers. Finally it was then allowed to be widely shared amongst federal agencies so it could be leaked without direct attribution.
      
      This was an act sufficiently heinous that the whole Obama senior administration group needs to be interogated under oath with no pleading the 5th to find out who authorized what and for what purpose. If it was to uncover the Trump campaign’s illegal or improper interaction with Russians, why hasn’t ANY indication of that surfaced yet ? All indications (like statements from the head of the CIA & NSA) indicate that nothing of any suspicion has been found, so what was Rice looking for ?
      
      Further proof is in her denials and how they’re worded, carefully parsed to deny nothing but to sound like they do. We do know that she’s a serial fabulist who lies to order, and is supremely unreliable as a witness. So if she says she didn’t, that is, absent strong proof of the opposite, a pretty good indicator that she did.
      
      As for qualifications on the NSC committee, wasn’t both Rice and Rhodes on the same, and apart from both being extremely practiced liars, what other qualifications would be relevant ?
      
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      April 6, 2017 8:38am
      - trout
        
        Thankyou ED for putting the record straight. When MM offers ‘help’ be very suspicious.
        CNN, CNBC, and the Washington Post are studiously playing down the Susan Rice factor because it does not suit their politics. Gutfield on FOX put it beautifully yesterday when he compared their (the MSM) commitment to the ‘Russian collusion’ narrative to share investing; these media outlets have bought a dog and have stubbornly ignored the real action which is the Trump team surveillance.
        
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        April 6, 2017 9:18am
      - ztev
        
        There was no ‘unmasking’ of american names talking to russian intelligence figures.
        Those with the very top level security clearances get to see the names as a matter of course.
        
        More basic ed for Ed. Rice was ‘National security Advisor’ so that would be a hint why she was on NSC committee.
        
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        April 6, 2017 9:25am
      - Ross12
        
        Ztec
        Nice try. But the procedure is that if even Rice, in this case, wants to know the name of a masked US person she has to request it from the relevant Agency. She that herself in the TV interview. It has been reported widely that the information Nunes has does not include surveillance of Russian or any other foreign country agents.
        There is a lot more to all this that has not been reported in the MSM
        Read this letter
        http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/170321-Final%20Whistleblower%20Letter.pdf
        
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        April 6, 2017 9:52am
      - PhilBest
        
        There was as much “contacts with Russians” among Team Hillary people as there was among Team Trump people.
        
        “Talking to foreigners” and doing business with them is just something that happens a lot in this day and age. Yawn. The lefty MSM are not just shamelessly partisan, they are monumentally stupid if they think ordinary people won’t see through them.
        
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        April 6, 2017 10:42am
      - Fletch
        
        I don’t remember seeing anything on the One News or NZ Herald facebook feeds about the story, either.
        
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        April 6, 2017 10:45am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Even better, the information we have says that the intel that Rice reviewed and had US citizen’s info unmasked upon – WASN’T related to Russia.
        
        This looks more like a washing machine in the last part of its cycle there’s so much spinning going on trying to exculpate Rice.
        
        Hey, if Rice is so “reliable”, why did she flat out deny knowing anything about unmasking on 20 March in a public interview on PBS ? Lie to order, that’s Rice in a nutshell.
        
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        April 6, 2017 11:18am
    - Scott
      
      Let me help you with some basics Mikey. At least you are admitting that Susan Rice saw surveillance on the Trump team. That means that the Trump team were surveilled and what Trump said about wiretapping by Obama is at least, at least partly proven.
      As Devin Nunes said the other week, he has found information that the Trump team was surveilled in instances that had nothing to do with Russia.
      Like if Republican president Richard Nixon was impeached because operatives spied on the Democratic party, then surely it is as big a scandal if not bigger if Democratic President Barack Obama spied on the Republican party!? And apparently they were doing it for a year!
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:10am
      - Kimbo
        
        Just to clarify and give context (and I have no opinion yet on the legality of the Susan Rice-ordered surveillance matter) – it wasn’t that Nixon was spying on the Democrats (or, more precisely Nixon operatives were running amok without his knowledge) that was the legal cause of his eventual impending impeachment and resulting resignation
        
        …but Nixon’s alleged attempt to obstruct justice, when, six days after the arrest of the Watergate burglars, he suggested to the FBI they had stumbled on a CIA operation and they should desist their investigation. As he himself counselled from the lesson he had learned making his political reputation prosecuting Alger Hiss some 25 years before…”it’s always the cover-up that gets them”.
        
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        April 6, 2017 9:21am
      - Kimbo
        
        And to bring in another Watergate-ism, as long as Obama has “plausible deniability” (i.e., there is nothing specifically linking him to Rice’s actions if they were illegal), then that is the end of it as far as legal consequences for him. It is what saved Reagan with Oliver North and Iran-Contra, and also Bill Clinton and linking his attempt to keep his affair with Monica Lewinsky secret…with the Paula Jones civil case.
        
        So unless you have (as per another Watergate-ism) a “smoking gun”, the chief executive is given the benefit of the doubt when it comes to alleged illegal activities by their operatives.
        
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        April 6, 2017 9:35am
      - Fletch
        
        Andrew McCarthy, who is usually clear-headed on these things and approaches them with a good amount of professionalism, reckons that even if Rice’s actions were not criminal, there were indeed an abuse of power.
        
        To analogize, if a judge imposed a 20-year jail term on a man for passing a marijuana cigarette to a second man, the sentence would be perfectly legal — a distribution of a Schedule I narcotic drug controlled substance calls for a sentence of up to 20 years’ imprisonment, see 21 U.S.C. §841(b)(1)(C). Nevertheless, the sentence would also be an outrageous abuse of judicial power. A judge who did such a thing would be unfit — worthy of condemnation, if not impeachment.
        
        Abuses of power are offenses against the public trust. They often overlap with a criminal offense, but they are not the same thing as a criminal offense. For example, a politician who accepts money in exchange for political favors commits both the crime of bribery and an impeachable offense of corruption. The jurors in the bribery case need not find that the politician breached his public trust; they need only find an intentional quid pro quo — payoff in exchange for favor. By contrast, the breach of public trust is central to the impeachment case: To remove the pol from office, there would be no need to prove the legal elements of a criminal bribery charge beyond a reasonable doubt, but it would have to be demonstrated that the politician is unfit for office. If it is a petty bribe, a prosecutor might ignore it, but the public should want to throw the bum out.
        
        This is why a “high crime and misdemeanor” — the constitutional standard for impeachment — need not be an indictable criminal offense. It may be a chargeable crime, but it need not be one.
        
        http://www.nationalreview.com/article/446456/susan-rice-unmasking-michael-flynn-legal-abuse-power-intelligence-foreign-targets
        
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        April 6, 2017 10:51am
    - Ross12
      
      MM
      You should sit back and think about which of the Democrats have gone very quiet lately. Guys like Adam Schiff , after he viewed what Nuness had seen.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:19am
    - mara
      
      She tells lies. Remember her assertions that the Benghazi attack was due to a crappy youtube video? Along with Hillary and Obama, she is knee deep in poo. I hope to see all three in jail.
      
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      April 6, 2017 10:47am
      - mikenmild
        
        Keep singing the old tunes: “Benghazi”, “Vince Foster”, “Birth Certificate”, etc, etc. You know you want too.
        It’s quite amusing that you want to buy into another faux-scandal, this one about a senior intelligence official receiving intelligence on foreign agents’ contacts with US politicians. Anything to distract from the US politicians in contact with the Russians…
        
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        April 6, 2017 12:53pm
  - G152
    
    Your requirement is not on the agenda of fake news media.
    Sorry, better luck next time
    
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    April 6, 2017 8:28am
- Ross12
  
  Manaolo
  This old news news. It was announced at least a month ago. cnbc obviously had to have something to side track from the Rice issue.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:12am
  - Manolo
    
    I wouldn’t argue with you. CNBC has publihed article after article against President Trump’s administration.
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:23am
    - Ross12
      
      I should have said it was “signalled” a month ago.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:45am
Chuck Bird

This is a very interesting debate including parties that have no show of being in Parliament.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/04/livestream-2017-election-debate-at-university-of-auckland.html
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April 6, 2017 8:07am
holysheet

Well said Paulus, that was far easier to read than the one above from the village idiot.
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April 6, 2017 8:08am
- holysheet
  
  edit
  where did your post go Paulus?
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Don’t know, shall try again below
    
    Reposted and got told to slow down, pushed submit button again and away it went into the ether never to be seen again!
    
    I am thinking the stuttering edit function may have been the lesser of the evils as I know KB is not quick to censor / remove things so who knows?
    
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    April 6, 2017 8:29am
    - holysheet
      
      my immediate thoughts were that it may have fallen foul of the contempt of court rules with the case still to be decided. Someone must have deleted it?
      
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      April 6, 2017 8:42am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I wrote it in good faith, you read it, do you consider there was anything defamatory, inflammatory or was it the reference to Catherine Tate doing a Monty Python apology?
        
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        April 6, 2017 8:47am
      - holysheet
        
        Nothing was wrong with it, but you and I live in the real world. Too many people with too much time on their hands are always looking for fault where there is none. When they fail to find it they invent some and cry wolf.
        
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        April 6, 2017 8:54am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Bit sad really as I thought it was quite funny, but I would say that ’cause I wrote it!
        
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        April 6, 2017 9:27am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Nope, gone forever.
        
        I tried to post the same ‘analysis’ of the Auckland chip wrapper supplier reporting on the Little court case as a topic at 10.05, but the machine is not having it.
        
        I wrote to ask why but have not had a response.
        
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        April 6, 2017 10:08am
kowtow

It’s not increasing water you need to worry about……

“That is set to change, owing to the relatively young age profile of Muslims and their higher fertility rates. Between 2030 and 2035, slightly more babies (225 million) will be born to Muslims than to Christians (224 million). Between 2055 and 2060, the gap is expected to widen to 6 million – 232m births to Muslims, and 226m to Christians.

Meanwhile, deaths among Christians in Europe are far outstripping births. In Germany, between 2010 and 2015, there were an estimated 1.4m more deaths than births among Christians. Pew said the pattern was expected to continue across much of Europe in the decades ahead.”

And Europe is importing the third world to replace its dying demographics.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/05/muslim-population-overtake-christian-birthrate-20-years
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April 6, 2017 8:11am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I can see the problem in Europe.
  (Please insert the key words to complete the sentences below.)
  
  Key words: more, fewer
  
  Dying demographics mean _____ tax payers and _____ welfare recipients.
  Importing fighting-age men from the third world means _____ tax payers and _____ welfare recipients.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:15am
  - cmm
    
    They were supposed to be importing immigrants to add a new tax base of workers to keep the social ponzy scheme going.
    
    Unfortunately they have not been importing top-shelf immigrants so the immigrants generally need welfare making the problem far worse.
    
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    April 6, 2017 10:14am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Middle east ‘civilization’ is getting close to collapse, oil receipts are likely to fall as vehicle electrification and PV adoption increases (causing a rush-to-extract). Middle eastern countries have exploding populations – 5-10x increase since WWII that is driving huge increases in conflict and probably close to their ability to feed themselves already – using western technology, but once they can no longer afford that the place will quickly descend into anarchy.
  
  Sahal and Yemen already entering another period of overpopulation/famine, west is losing tolerance for Islam and perpetual conflict, so aid is likely to be weak, and rest of middle east is likely only a decade or two behind in falling into the abyss (Ridiculously rich Saudi Arabia have only got enough money for another 4-5years at current expenditures).
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:03am
- trout
  
  Beware of a manipulation of statistics for propaganda purposes; there is evidence to show that there is a decline in the Muslim population worldwide; birthrates have fallen significantly.
  https://exposingbf.wordpress.com/2015/05/26/the-birth-rate-myth/
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:29am
- BananaLlama
  
  Christian Europe has been dying for over a century now i don’t see it as a bad thing that Christians continue to decline in number either when you look at the stupidity of their voters and political parties.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:59am
  - PhilBest
    
    Correction: it is secular, apostate Europe that has been dying for decades.
    
    Studies that net out certain Christian denominations – those who take their Christianity seriously (not just ones who turn up at the Establishment Church for Easter and Xmas, if that) – show that these tend to be having adequate numbers of kids.
    
    David P. Goldman, sometimes known under the pen name of “Spengler”, has made some interesting observations about birth rates and “having meaningfulness in your life”. Interestingly, Israel is still well ahead of the rest of the western world.
    
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    April 6, 2017 10:49am
  - Garbageman
    
    You best be careful there Bananalama or there will soon be a mob baying for your blood & head oh hold on that’s that other mob although the last part does hold some credence at a local level given Colin Craig and his minions
    
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    April 6, 2017 11:18am
Inandout

I discovered a doco of Duke TV last night about ‘Extreme Russia’. A black reporter from BBC goes into Russia to speak with a white power organisation, and interviews one member who had strong views on mixing races. The reporter asked if that made him a mongrel, and the WP member replied ‘yes’. Another interview was with an ex Congolese man in Moscow who was subjected to racial slurs. I got the impression Russia is not a place for foreigners, especially coloured.
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April 6, 2017 8:18am
- Liberty
  
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  Russia has a lot in common with Trumpvile.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:23am
- Andrei
  
  It’s TV Inandout – it is contrived to turn your brain off
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:28am
  - Inandout
    
    The only contrived interview I suspected was the Congolese man, who was very black and was almost reciting lines from a script. It reminded me of the old Soviet Russia when the regime allowed black Africans to study in Moscow. They were not permitted to live permanently in Russia and were not made welcome by most citizens. Muslim migrants are also sidelined, especially when they do their mass bums up in the street.
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:39am
    - Andrei
      
      Wrong again – there were quite a few blacks who took Soviet citizenship, some from the USA
      
      Today’s trivia
      Did you know the famous Russian poet Alexander Pushkin’s grandfather was a black man from Senegal who took the name Abram Petrovich Gannibal (Hannibal) and became a famous Russian General
      
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      April 6, 2017 10:54am
- cmm
  
  Yup, Russia sure has a lot of skinhead fight gang type youth.
  
  However that is not necessarily indicative of the average people you will encounter in Russia.
  
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  April 6, 2017 10:18am
Monty

Andrew little defamation court case is getting very little coverage which is disappointing. I watched the item on tv last night . He looks scared for his life

Sadly no angry outburst

I suspect he was playing up how poor he is

I’m trying to understand how someone in his position has virtually no assets

Hopefully as the case winds up coverage will increase. I question how this guy can ever be prime minister
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April 6, 2017 8:25am
- G152
  
  At the moment he appears to be trying out for the position of prime twat.
  One could almost feel sorry for him except this is all a tragedy of his own making
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:31am
  - stigie
    
    A prime twat alright, he’s sitting there in court saying he has apologized to the Hagaman’s and what more do they want he says, he has smeared them badly and should have apologized and corrected what he said last year. To fucking late mate.
    Take the unionist to the cleaners !~
    
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    April 6, 2017 8:50am
- holysheet
  
  I’m trying to understand how someone in his position has virtually no assets
  
  Struggle no more Monty. He’s been a union man all his life, never had any need to accumulate assets. Lived of the backs of the workers he purports to represent. Now he is in the real world, he still needs the unions support. Nothing but an angry parasite.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:46am
- billmurray
  
  Hagamans lawyer caught out Angry telling a lie about attempts at settlement.
  Lawyers last words to Angry “we will let the jury decide”.
  Angry visibly moved, then muttered.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:47am
  - brett68
    
    I couldn’t believe the guy just lied under oath.
    Or more concerning is that he didn’t believe he was lying.
    
    Check the video out, doesn’t look good for Little.
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/04/labour-leader-andrew-little-gives-evidence-in-defamation-case.html
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:00am
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes and it wont be mentioned by the media as it is a fact the ethics the NZ Journalists don’t understand the meaning of. If this had been John Key it would be lead story or front page news from MSM.
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:07am
    - rangitoto
      
      To be fair JK was PM, whereas AL is a minor union flunky.
      
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      April 6, 2017 10:26am
      - Garbageman
        
        Correct why lead the news every night with a bloke that 92% of the population have probably never even heard of I doubt there is some media conspiracy those ferals have no qualms about turning on their own if it helps clicks or ratings
        
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        April 6, 2017 11:22am
- Paulus
  
  I thought it must have been adjourned as I can not find any comment in our so called media.
  As Union members it is not in their interest to comment.
  Very Sad – and they wonder why they are thought of as scum level.
  
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  April 6, 2017 8:49am
  - ztev
    
    See Brett66 above. maybe you lost your glasses
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:32am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      You mean Brett68, maybe you lost your glasses.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:37am
- Keeping Stock
  
  He was going so well with his evidence yesterday too, until it came time for cross-examination.
  
  He had accused the Hagamans of being uninterested in settling, when their lawyer produced a letter detailing attempts to reach a settlement in December last year by Mr and Mrs Hagaman, to which Little would not agree.
  
  Bugger.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:01am
  - ztev
    
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    Was the letter put into evidence, or just waved in the air by the lawyer.
    If its formally in evidence the jury can study it in their jury room.
    Would be nice if Earls doctors letter could be the same
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:36am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “Would be nice if Earls doctors letter could be the same”
      
      What a nasty comment, typical of ztev.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:38am
    - Prince
      
      It appears to be in evidence – you can see Little turning to a copy in the folder he has in front of him and visibly blanching when he realises he has been caught out.
      Even so, I can’t see this suit being successful. At worst (for Little) a hung jury.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:44am
      - stigie
        
        “Even so, I can’t see this suit being successful”
        
        If the Hagaman’s lawyer thought there would be no success, why would they even bother..?
        Angry should not get away with smearing good honest people who do so much for their community and give to the poorer people !~
        
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        April 6, 2017 10:00am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Keep it up ztev, would love to see you get a few more strikes over the Hagaman case. Since it’s before the courts we should stick to talking about the case instead of maligning and impugning the participants?
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:48am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Are you STILL accusing Mrs Hagaman of perjuring herself when she gave evidence, under oath, that Earl has only a few weeks to live?
      
      I know the Labour Party has low standards ztev, but you are plumbing new depths here, even by Labour Party standards. If you have evidence that Lani Hagaman committed perjury, table it.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:57am
      - Garbageman
        
        You know that will never happen KS its the death throes of possibly the saddest attempt to detract from his masters on-going cockups if desperation had a stench it would be called ztev
        
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        April 6, 2017 11:28am
- VicParking
  
  Sorry down tick by mistake sorry sorry sorry
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:42am
- Inandout
  
  Why would the media give Andy too much publicity when they are rooting for Jacinderella?
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:42am
Paulus Gnome

As much as I detest the newinions presented in the premier Auckland chip wrapper, they do come up with some gems even though it is not of their making.

This popular court case doing the rounds at the moment, has thrown up this: ‘Little said he had wanted to settle the case prior to the trial – but concluded the Hagamans had no interest in settling after what he described as the “most bizarre negotiation” he had ever been involved in.
‘The Hagamans had rejected two offers of $26,000 and $100,000 and said the wording of the apology was inadequate, but Little said they had never provided him with the wording they wanted.
However, in cross-examination the Hagamans’ lawyer, Richard Fowler, presented a letter from last December in which the wording the Hagamans wanted for an apology was included.
Little conceded that, but said there was no further attempt to amend it to something acceptable to both. “This was the opening gambit and I would expect negotiations to continue.”

The first thing is that it may well be the ‘most bizarre negotiation’, but who made it bizarre? The little one is trying to mitigate the outcome by claiming the Hagamans made the situation bizarre by refusing to accept his apolglies and offers of settlement late in the day perhaps? All the man had to do was hold his hand up, say I got it wrong and I apologise blah blah blah. Little chose not to.

‘Never provided the wording they want’ – now that is bizarre! Maybe it is the way these instances are settled and should I ever be involved in such an action whereby I get to provide the wording for an apology to be given by the offending party, it will be a complete Monty Python sketch on steroids delivered by Catherine Tate!

And then, the wording for the apology is provided which Little must have known existed, however, had chosen to say that such wording had never been received; using small words, he lied. Now that is bizarre.

‘the opening gambit and I would expect negotiations to continue.” should be reading as ‘this fing dead rat is just too furry, too large and not quite dead and I can’t swallow it’

A trained and professional lawyer lies in his own defence and looks surprised when he is called on it.

I feel for this man and do not want to see him loose his house because he has spoken like an arse and then refused to acknowledge the inappropriateness of his action. Littles failure to rectify his actions in a civilised manner required by his position in society demonstrates his complete ignorance, his arrogance and his suitability to hold public office let alone be a pivotal figure in any government aside from Robert Mugabees’.

There is more in the article but I am cognisant that space on this forum is needed for really important things like endless repetitive copy and paste articles from Christchurch about the Auckland housing market and the propensity to be dissed here for posts that become too long! 
For the full side splitting chip wrapper event: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11832548
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Paulus Gnome

As much as I detest the newinions presented in the premier Auckland chip wrapper, they do come up with some gems even though it is not of their making.

This popular court case doing the rounds at the moment, has thrown up this: ‘Little said he had wanted to settle the case prior to the trial – but concluded the Hagamans had no interest in settling after what he described as the “most bizarre negotiation” he had ever been involved in.

‘The Hagamans had rejected two offers of $26,000 and $100,000 and said the wording of the apology was inadequate, but Little said they had never provided him with the wording they wanted.
However, in cross-examination the Hagamans’ lawyer, Richard Fowler, presented a letter from last December in which the wording the Hagamans wanted for an apology was included.
Little conceded that, but said there was no further attempt to amend it to something acceptable to both. “This was the opening gambit and I would expect negotiations to continue.”

The first thing is that it may well be the ‘most bizarre negotiation’, but who made it bizarre? The little one is trying to mitigate the outcome by claiming the Hagamans made the situation bizarre by refusing to accept his apolglies and offers of settlement late in the day perhaps? All the man had to do was hold his hand up, say I got it wrong and I apologise blah blah blah. Little chose not to.

‘Never provided the wording they want’ – now that is bizarre! Maybe it is the way these instances are settled and should I ever be involved in such an action whereby I get to provide the wording for an apology to be given by the offending party, it will be a complete Monty Python sketch on steroids delivered by Catherine Tate!

And then, the wording for the apology is provided which Little must have known existed, however, had chosen to say that such wording had never been received; using small words, he lied. Now that is bizarre.

‘the opening gambit and I would expect negotiations to continue.” should be reading as ‘this fing dead rat is just too furry, too large and not quite dead and I can’t swallow it’

A trained and professional lawyer lies in his own defence and looks surprised when he is called on it.

I feel for this man and do not want to see him loose his house because he has spoken like an arse and then refused to acknowledge the inappropriateness of his action. Littles failure to rectify his actions in a civilised manner required by his position in society demonstrates his complete ignorance, his arrogance and his suitability to hold public office let alone be a pivotal figure in any government aside from Robert Mugabees’.

There is more in the article but I am cognisant that space on this forum is needed for really important things like endless repetitive copy and paste articles from Christchurch about the Auckland housing market and the propensity to be dissed here for posts that become too long! 🙂

For the full side splitting chip wrapper event: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11832548
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April 6, 2017 8:35am
Happychappy

I see yesterday in question time Winston has played his usual election year game on investment and Chinese and seems to want the usual ban stopping them from investing in firms like Fonterra and taking us back to the 1950’s. I think Winston forgets the farmers own this company not him or the Government and again is showing what a racial prickly he is.
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April 6, 2017 8:37am
- wiseowl
  
  I am quite sure he wasn’t talking about Fonterra but he did mention how they control the formula milkpowder market and how now, silver fern farms is majority owned by communist chinese, it looks like chilled meat can be exported to China.
  Chinese banks in NZ now have hundreds of millions in residential mortgages and UDC was sold to the Chinese and is advertising on the radio that they have lots of money to invest.
  Be very careful New Zealand.
  
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  April 6, 2017 1:04pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Maybe you should have listen Bill English replied that farmers own Fonterra not the Government.
    
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    April 6, 2017 3:42pm
Dafixeruppa

Article on the bbc.co.uk this morning about the reduction in border crossings with Mexico.
I didn’t read it just chuckled and thought the following:
Trump now says wall no longer required Mexicans no longer crossing the border.
Mexican president now say, We will build a wall to stop the Americans from coming over and taking our jobs and our land. We will make them pay for the wall. It will be big, it will be strong, it will be pretty.
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April 6, 2017 8:56am
Paulus

Whilst watching a little early part of Question Time yesterday and Graciderella trying to show leadership what I noticed was that, for a bright young thing, she looked positively dowdy. Scowling all the time – an example of a poverty driven young woman from a Dickens novel.
As Deputy Leader of the Opposition at the moment she could take a lesson in dress sense – she can look good for photoshoots.
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April 6, 2017 8:57am
- Keeping Stock
  
  She’s going to have to do far better than this:
  
  Jacinda Ardern: Can he confirm that by the time Auckland gets rail to the airport under his plan he will be 86, I will be 66, and Todd Barclay will be into his teens? [Interruption]
  
  https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/hansard-debates/rhr/combined/HansDeb_20170405_20170405_08
  
  I don’t know who wrote that “joke” for Jacinda, but it didn’t work. It went down like a couple of dead snapper…
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:06am
  - ztev
    
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    Dont you have better things to do- your provincial bolt hole is disappearing under the muddy waters- then read Hansard.
    
    BTW , rail to airport is a bad idea(they have acres of space for parking) unless it fixes another problem.
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:40am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Thanks for your caring thoughts ztev. Te Awa Tupua behaved itself (not sure of her gender, sorry) overnight, and largely stayed where it should, so the flap is over and the State of Emergency will be lifted at lunchtime.
      
      As for the Light Rail to the Airport, it’s obviously a pet project of Ms Ardern, although I can only imagine the problems it’s going to cause in her electorate, especially in the blocks in Dominion Road south of Balmoral Road. They are barely wide enough now for existing volumes, let alone having a double rail line down the middle.
      
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      April 6, 2017 10:08am
    - PhilBest
      
      “….rail to airport is a bad idea….”
      
      I’d give ztev many upticks for that rare burst of enlightenment. If he’s not careful, he’ll get “de-personed” by his virtue-signalling comrades, for this heresy….
      
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      April 6, 2017 10:59am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Dont you have better things to do- your provincial bolt hole is disappearing under the muddy waters- then read Hansard.
      
      Outstanding. zbitch be like … a bitch!
      
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      April 6, 2017 11:33am
    - GazzaW
      
      Acres of car parks can become development sites for high yield hotels and commercial buildings. It’s not rocket science.
      
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      April 6, 2017 5:38pm
  - Inandout
    
    Where the hell are all the MPs? Imagine walking into an office and 80% of the staff are absent.
    
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    April 6, 2017 3:01pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Yeah, I fail to see any prettiness in her. All I see is an angry hateful young woman in the vein of Moroney and Clark.
  
  Those that think she is pretty have no experience in reading people. You can be pretty on the outside and ugly inside. She is that in a nutshell.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:13am
- VicParking
  
  Notice she left 10 seconds after her question
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:44am
- mara
  
  That’s her “see how serious I am” look. A bit overdone.
  
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  April 6, 2017 11:06am
- sam green
  
  So – the way she looks is really important to you Paulus. Hmmmm…
  
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  April 6, 2017 2:15pm
  - starboard
    
    Stupid boy
    
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    April 6, 2017 4:03pm
Urban Redneck

Earl Hagaman should receive an award for being seen in public wearing the worst toupee ever. He looks like Phil Spector.

http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Phil+Spector+Turns+70+Av4HOHcX_82x.jpg
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April 6, 2017 9:09am
- Keeping Stock
  
  When you have as much coin as he does, you can wear whatever you want.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:14am
  - Urban Redneck
    
    When you have as much coin as he does, you can wear a better toupee.
    
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    April 6, 2017 11:36am
    - starboard
      
      The mans dying arsehole..how about you try it…fuckwit.
      
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      April 6, 2017 4:04pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  At least he (Hagaman) is not a murdering paedo scumbag in a toupee.
  
  While you’re at it post a picture of yourself for us to judge.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:17am
  - sam green
    
    You charmer you.
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:31am
  - ztev
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Its just your normal charming couple, Earl 92 and his 5th wife , 40 years younger, Lani
    
    he was 60 + and she was his 20 something financial controller, when ‘one thing led to another’ and they married.
    All this is from previous public information
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/79425604/Of-political-sideswipes-Meet-the-Hagamans-of-Christchurch
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:45am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      So they have been married 32 years? Well done to them. Perhaps love conquers all after all.
      
      At least they’re in a “traditional” marriage that doesn’t require ABCDLBPTQ to designate it.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:51am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      So what?
      Doesn’t make Angry less of an idiot.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:51am
    - Rich Prick
      
      You Labour Party types really hate these people, don’t you.
      
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      April 6, 2017 9:57am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        They really, REALLY hate people with more money than them Rich Prick, which is a lot of people to hate 😎
        
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        April 6, 2017 10:12am
      - stigie
        
        The parasitic left are just envy of the “rich prick”, hence all the smears.
        
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        April 6, 2017 10:39am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      And your point is? Each time I read one of your inane and often nasty comments, my dislike of you as a person increases. I will tolerate that people write crap or are zealous about an issue, but you join that small group of participants that demonstrate both a lack of intelligence and a lack of basic human decency.
      
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      April 6, 2017 10:39am
      - ztev
        
        Its all previously been in the newspapers, they even had reporter and photographer at their home.
        Are you opposed to being wanting their story known and others highlighting their good fortune?
        If Im getting under your skin, SFW !
        
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        April 6, 2017 11:12am
      - Rich Prick
        
        That must be quite some dossier you have on them ztev, and I can’t decide whether it’s obsessive or creepy. Note to self: never cross the Labour Party nor any of its MP’s.
        
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        April 6, 2017 11:44am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        ztev, we all know that you didn’t put this up to be altruistic and show how nice they are.
        You are trying to say that he married a gold digger and this whole defamation issue is just her wanting more money.
        I know you won’t care what people say to you, nor will you listen to anything anyone says (where it doesn’t support you), but please stop being am asinine prat and realise that you are only making yourself and all the Little supporters look bad.
        
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        April 6, 2017 12:06pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        Do you get the living wage for this trolling you are doing here Zcunt?
        
        I mean surely they pay you well… its one of their cornerstones.
        
        Also when they send you the info to share, do you get the full script or just the links like above?
        
        Sure as shit love to meet you in person to see if this is an act or if you actually believe the shit you spout
        
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        April 6, 2017 1:14pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @ztev
      
      The Hagamans have 3 children.
      So what if there is an age difference between the parents?
      Charlie Chaplin was 36 years older than Oona… they had 8 children together.
      Marriages take many forms… and basically if both parties are above the age of consent and legally free to marry, it’s no-one else’s business.
      
      If you are somehow connected with the Labour Party, then you are making a grand showing of undermining the sincerity of Andrew Little’s apology to Earl and Lani Hagaman.
      I sincerely hope Andrew Little knows nothing about your posts here.
      
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      April 6, 2017 3:00pm
      - KevOB
        
        I’m enjoying marriage. I’m 77, my wife 49 and we have 3 children under 16 and a 19 yr old stepson all living at home. Currently I have 13 grandchildren and 5 gt grandchildren. I still bring in a bit from some accounting but we’re a NatSuper family with 2 gold cards, family assistance and accomodation supplement.
        It’s quite possible to live on a benefit with prudence and reasonable management skills.
        
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        April 6, 2017 7:25pm
    - GazzaW
      
      You should be so lucky ztrev.
      
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      April 6, 2017 5:39pm
Captain Mainwaring

Topic of the morning on Newstalk ZB (Wellington) is whether voting should be compulsory.
Can you imagine what the result would be if people who don’t want to vote, couldn’t give a stuff, are anarchists or complete deadbeats, were forced to vote?
Of course the Greens would love it, which is a good reason why it should never happen.
Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Australian politics is so stuffed and the left is over-represented.
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April 6, 2017 9:13am
dime

Youtube TV just launched in the US. Only in 5 areas so far.

Man, sky is so fucked.

Youtube TV – $35US a month. soon to be 49 channels.. 6 accounts per household can link to it. all live tv with a dvr that has no storage limit.

none of this sky multiroom shit required.

Amazon just paid 50 million for 10 NFL thursday night games..

its going to be hilarious when a google/amazon/netflix picks up the NRL or All Blacks.
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April 6, 2017 9:26am
- Inandout
  
  Sky has had its day, after years of shamelessly scalping slow witted consumers. They even had WINZ seal of approval.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:46am
  - Garbageman
    
    Ouch that hurts I only ditched Sky last year mainly because I couldn’t be assed getting around to it even though I had been streaming most of my content for years Duke channel playing all NFL games for free everyday was the push I finally needed it has not been missed at all
    
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    April 6, 2017 11:39am
- Keeping Stock
  
  New Zealand Rugby won’t be complaining if a bidding war breaks out 😎
  
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  April 6, 2017 10:10am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    hopefully the new broadcaster would be bring back Mexted, him and Sumo dropping one-liners all of the show would be better than some of the games….
    
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    April 6, 2017 1:17pm
AgentBallSack

Sorry – posted a post regarding Syria then noticed the date. 2013.

The disadvantage of getting some news from Facebook links.
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April 6, 2017 9:34am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Welcome to the world of the Auckland chip wrapper supplier
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:49am
- ztev
  
  Thanks for that ABS, we can all make minor mistakes
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:52am
Hugh Pavletich

NZ’S BUILDING & ENVIRO MINISTER SMITH IS ‘ALL HAT AND NO HORSE’ …

… Just more hot air from New Zealand’s Building & Environment Minister Dr Nick Smith … who needs to explain why his Government failed to support this weeks RMA legislative changes and the Labour led (with Greens, New Zealand First, Peter Dunne supported … BUT NOT ACT) Urban Limits Abolition and Bond financing of infrastructure initiative (much like 7 September last year) ?

To use a Texan expression … Smith is all hat and no horse …

Nick Smith says tackling land bankers best done by creating competitive land markets; Welcomes Productivity Commission proposals | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/86896/nick-smith-says-tackling-land-bankers-best-done-creating-competitive-land-markets

Tackling land bankers is best done by encouraging development by way of more competitive land markets, the Minister for Environment and Building and Construction has told a nationwide group of urban planners.

Nick Smith was touting the government’s Resource Management Act Amendment Bill to the NZ Planning Institute annual conference in Wellington when he mentioned the government and planners required a better understanding of the ways in which economics and planning interacted – particularly in the case of land banking.

It was perhaps apt that the comment was made in the Capital. The issue jumped to the top of Wellington’s housing debate in recent weeks, as Mayor Justin Lester called out property owners in the city’s northern suburbs for sitting on land that could be used for nearly 3,000 residential homes. … read more via hyperlink above …

… Posted with other material at …

NZ mortgage growth softens as macro-prudential bites – MacroBusiness
… behind paywall …
https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/04/nz-mortgage-growth-softens-macro-prudential-bites-2/

… further important reading at …

MacroBusiness – Australian Property Shares Dollar Economy

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/
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April 6, 2017 10:13am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…….zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
  
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  April 6, 2017 10:27am
  - PhilBest
    
    …pops inflated paper bag next to Capt Mainwaring’s ear…
    
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    April 6, 2017 10:56am
- thedavincimode
  
  Just fuck off Hugh. There’s a good chap.
  
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  April 6, 2017 11:36am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Hugh,
  Now what happened to yesterday’s lesson?
  I don’t repeat myself so go find it and follow it.
  
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  April 6, 2017 12:03pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Shamubeel Eaqub rails against govt failures that led to an undersupply of 500,000 homes over 30 years, and rising societal gaps as social housing was ignored | interest.co.nz
    
    https://www.interest.co.nz/property/86930/shamubeel-eaqub-rails-against-govt-failures-led-undersupply-500000-homes-over-30
    
    By Alex Tarrant
    
    “It’s not about smashed avocados” – Shamubeel Eaqub, Wellington, 5 April 2017
    
    New Zealand’s political leadership has failed for decades on housing policy, leading to the rise of a Victorian-style landed gentry, social cohesion coming under immense pressure and a cumulative undersupply of half a million houses over the last 30 years, economist Shamubeel Eaqub says.
    
    Speaking to the NZ Planning Institute’s annual conference in Wellington this week, Eaqub gave a detailed presentation on the reasons why housing in New Zealand had become so expensive and out of reach for the bottom half of the population.
    
    Eaqub’s disdain for the political conversation around housing, the gross inaction by successive governments and even comments made by others in his profession blaming younger generations for their inability to purchase housing was evident. “It’s not about smashed avocados,” one of his slides said, perhaps in regard to Tony Alexander’s recent outburst. … view and read more via hyperlink above …
    
    … access yesterday’s Kiwiblog comments … http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/04/general_debate_5_april_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1905038
    
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    April 6, 2017 12:41pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      New research shows need for government-led house building – New Zealand Labour Party
      
      http://www.labour.org.nz/new_research_shows_need_for_government_led_house_building
      
      Research by economist Shamubeel Eaqub shows the need for the government to lead the building of affordable starter homes, as would happen under Labour’s KiwiBuild policy, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.
      
      “Mr Eaqub’s research shows that it was government participation in house-building that created our home-owning society. To save the Kiwi dream of owning your own place, we need government to once again take the lead in building affordable homes.
      
      “Starting with the First Labour Government and continuing through to the 1980s, New Zealand governments were active in house-building. Governments built up to 10,000 state houses a year – many of which were bought by their tenants – and subsidised the construction of thousands more through the State Advances programme. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      April 6, 2017 2:52pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Why are Tories / Gnats idiots on housing issues … handing it to Labour on a plate ? …
        
        … Back October 2015 Allister Heath of the UK (Tory) Telegraph wrote …
        
        The real ticking time bomb for the Tories is home ownership – Telegraph
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/property/11917816/The-real-ticking-time-bomb-for-the-Tories-is-home-ownership.html
        
        … extract …
        
        … Remarkably, 354,700 new homes were built in France last year, compared with 140,880 across the UK, a pathetically inadequate number barely half of that required. The French were actually bitterly disappointed with their own performance: their recent average has been around 400,000 homes a year. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        April 6, 2017 3:20pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
        
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        April 6, 2017 3:34pm
      - starboard
        
        Shamubeel Eaqub should stick to making beef vindaloo..its about all he’s good at
        
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        April 7, 2017 3:20am
Ross12

Interesting development in the Brexit saga. EU banks are dropping the Euro in favour of the pound. They see a lack of stability in the EU.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/05/brexit-central-banks-unstable-euro-confidence-pound/
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April 6, 2017 10:14am
Inandout

The City of London is ‘money central’ and a financial powerhouse.
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April 6, 2017 10:25am
- PhilBest
  
  Could be viewed as the embodiment of the parasite nature of the global financial services sector on productive industry and workforces.
  
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  April 6, 2017 10:58am
  - Inandout
    
    The alternative of course is a Venezuela type monetary system, or North Korean. Money is the oil which lubricates capitalism.
    
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    April 6, 2017 11:51am
    - PhilBest
      
      Money is good. But for “financial services” to have increased its share of total profits in the economy, from 10% a few decades ago, to 40%+ now, should be cause for concern. Trouble is, they are exploiting monetary policy, QE and other distortions in the economy. This is not an inherent fault of “money” or “capitalism” any more than airliner crashes caused by complex FBW control system failures, is an inherent fault of “powered flight”.
      
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      April 6, 2017 1:23pm
Dafixeruppa

Lesson for all those ‘investigative’ journalists (/sarc)
We need to look at overseas to hire journos that will actually investigate and check with all parties before going to print.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/91267087/us-principal-resigns-after-high-school-journalists-investigate-her-credentials
Ok, well Stuff did a copy and paste from the US, but the student journalists in the article did a rather good job.
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April 6, 2017 12:02pm
Manolo

A RINO and a Trojan horse?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ryan-says-tax-reform-could-longer-healthcare-overhaul-181652422–business.html
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April 6, 2017 12:11pm
Dafixeruppa

So can I ask, is Marquess actually Jacinda?

On another note, will I be hounded out of here and tarred and feathered if I said that I would happily have a coffee with her and discuss her ideas on what Labour can do for me and others like me?
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April 6, 2017 12:24pm
- Inandout
  
  Eww, you are naughty, but I like you….no you won’t be tarred and feathered, but the teeth..
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHx0goKnbdA
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:12pm
- howitis
  
  Neigh, you won’t be tarred but take your own coffee. Labour coffee will be very bitter and no sugar will be allowed to offset the bitterness.
  Unless they can tax the sugar!
  
  Don’t expect Jacindarella to be up with the play.
  Her very own website
  http://jacinda.co.nz/
  says she is the Labour Candidate in the Mt Albert by-election. I thought she won it 6 weeks ago.
  Womens weekly may be more current.
  
  She may not be flash on current affairs but she can fix ya dunny.
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:51pm
Viking2

Edgecumbe is now water logged.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/rotorua-daily-post/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503438&objectid=11832903

The rest of you can stop bleating about fuck all.
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April 6, 2017 12:35pm
- RF
  
  All is saved. The media reports that an army truck has arrived in Edgecumbe to assist in the evacuation.
  
  FFS what’s wrong with this country. You see news film of dozens of emergency vehicles assisting in the Aussie floods.
  
  NZ has always been known as the bridesmaid and never the bride.
  
  Where is Ron Mark when you need him… setting up a field kitchen ?
  
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  April 6, 2017 5:41pm
RF

Aw shucks…. just saw Ali Williams on TV walking out of a French Court. I was waiting to hear him make a smart arse comment or crack a joke… nope nothing. Cat got your tongue Ali ?

Pathetic penalty but it will clip his wings for overseas travel to certain countries.

Maybe he should stay over there.
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April 6, 2017 1:37pm
- Longknives
  
  Surprised he didn’t wear his ‘Hilarious’ Spiderman costume to Court RF…
  This guy was possibly the most annoying boofhead ever to represent New Zealand (and there is some pretty stiff competition!)
  
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  April 6, 2017 2:18pm
PhilP

Angry Andy Little’s current predicament is all John Key’s fault, didn’t you know!
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April 6, 2017 2:34pm
stephieboy

“Trump drops Steve Bannon from National Security Council”

President Donald Trump has removed his senior strategist Steve Bannon from the US National Security Council.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/328250/trump-drops-steve-bannon-from-national-security-council

Why ?

His White Nationalists Unite ideology ?

Didn’t pass security clearance ?

Or this ?,

“White House Staff Reminded To Place Lids Firmly On Trash Cans After Steve Bannon Gets Into Garbage Again”,

http://www.theonion.com/article/white-house-staff-reminded-place-lids-firmly-trash-55168

LOL

Another shambles for the POTUS .

Gone by Christmas definitely now on the cards .
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April 6, 2017 2:40pm
- Rich Prick
  
  And just when the punctuation standards had lifted around here …
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Rich Prick,
    
    Trump gone by Christmas ?
    
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    April 6, 2017 3:31pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Where’ve you been stephie? Did dad ban you from using the internet?
      
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      April 6, 2017 5:44pm
- Inandout
  
  stephie’s back with a force like a long held back ejaculation. Same old CNN shit though.
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:32pm
  - stigie
    
    Were you waiting for Penny to pop up Inandout..?
    
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    April 6, 2017 3:58pm
    - Inandout
      
      Penny popping up from anywhere would not induce anything but revulsion.
      
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      April 6, 2017 4:30pm
publicwatchdog

PROTEST!

The lack of transparency
in NZ Courts!

AND –

The secret process of appointing NZ Judges!

(Did you know that the NZ Attorney-General Chris Finlayson alone, appoints all Judges?)

PROTEST:

WHERE: Outside NZ Supreme Court
85 Lambton Quay Wellington

WHEN: Friday 7 April 2017
TIME: 3 – 5pm

Protest called by fellow
‘anti-corruption campaigner’
Vince Siemer.

For more information, check out Vince Siemer’s website:

http://www.kiwisfirst.co.nz

I support this protest, and if I was in Wellington, I’d be there.

Please attend if you can, and if you support NZ judicial transparency and accountability.

Penny Bright

‘Anti-privatisation /
anti-corruption campaigner’.
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April 6, 2017 2:49pm
- mikenmild
  
  Poor Vince, the vexatious litigant. Everyone’s against him…
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:06pm
- Rich Prick
  
  The forecast is for rain Penny, so may I suggest you add “bring your own soap” to your public service announcement.
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:16pm
- Jack5
  
  Penny, you are a certainty to get placarder’s shoulder and placarder’s elbow if you don’t give protesting a break.
  
  And remember to take your typhoid shots before you and Hager fly to Kabul for a chin-wag with the Taleban.
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:19pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “I support this protest, and if I was in Wellington, I’d be there.”
  
  So what’s stopping you getting on a plane you mad woman.
  I’m sure Wellingtonians would like the entertainment of seeing a screwball in action.
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:39pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Wow, check out this guy’s back story.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Siemer
    
    What a piece of work. And he’s an immigrant. Just the sort of guy Penny would want to cosy up to.
    
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    April 6, 2017 3:47pm
    - PhilP
      
      I wonder if he got run out of the USA for doing the same thing there?
      
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      April 6, 2017 4:07pm
  - RalphT
    
    No, Captain, no. On no account should you encourage Penny to come to Wellington. We have enough trouble as it is with the number of quake prone buildings in the city and do not need any more wrecks added to the list.
    
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    April 6, 2017 4:00pm
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    No way, keep her away from here.
    We have enough nut jobs already.
    
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    April 7, 2017 7:55am
- alex Masterley
  
  I thought Vince S was off to the UN.
  
  The HC, CA and SC (as far as I am aware) won’t accept any document, proceeding or application he files, so that would be the last resort although to what end I don’t know.
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:45pm
- stigie
  
  “(Did you know that the NZ Attorney-General Chris Finlayson alone, appoints all Judges?)”
  
  Did you know Penny’s house in School Rd will be up for auction some time this year..?
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:53pm
  - Happychappy
    
    You would think she would shut her trap and be cordial to or about Judges with her record in the Courts.
    
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    April 6, 2017 5:50pm
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Yes, but would anyone want to buy it after she has filled it with her puerile filth?
    I would be surprised if you could even get in through the door with all the piles of effluent loaded placards and papers she will surely have stockpiled by now.
    I would think it is likely to be a candidate for a ritual burning
    
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    April 7, 2017 7:57am
- rightoverlabour
  
  I have decided to be polite in my responses to Penny.
  
  Please Fuck Off
  
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  April 6, 2017 7:43pm
Manolo

The NYT relishes the internal struggle and reports with glee:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/us/politics/national-security-council-stephen-bannon.html?_r=0
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April 6, 2017 3:06pm
- mikenmild
  
  They really should be concerned that the White House staff is falling apart, not celebrating the collapse of the government.
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:08pm
- Inandout
  
  This won’t take the heat off ‘fried Rice’ though.
  
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  April 6, 2017 4:33pm
- Tirebiter
  
  The NYT’s ideology, like most of the media, is only money. They are not charitable institutions but money-chasing machines. They don’t care about anything except selling eyeballs to advertisers. Anything that gives them the opportunity to sell more eyeballs they see as being good. It’s like every movie or TV show – it needs drama and conflict; and if it’s not part of the story, they will add it.
  
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  April 7, 2017 1:43am
Jack5

Ho, ho, what’s happening to the reputation of the Pacific paradise of Auckland?

– Samoa has issued a health alert. Anyone who has been in Auckland in the last three weeks needs to be tested for typhoid.

Are all okay in the Stephieboys Islamic Blog Army?”

FOOTNOTE: Just noticed the Stephieboys are back after their spell in the blog cooler.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11833169
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April 6, 2017 3:17pm
stephieboy

Calling all Climate change deniers .

From your master ,

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

“The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en

LOL
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April 6, 2017 3:35pm
- Manolo
  
  Welcome back, stephieboy. We all missed you deeply. 😀
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:43pm
- krazykiwi
  
  “The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive.”
  
  Yeah, that was a particularly stupid thing to say, particularly when there’s ample evidence that global warming was a UN-concocted scam from the outset.
  
  “Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsiblity to bring that about?” – Maurice Strong, founder of the UN Environment Programme (UNEP)
  :::
  “This is the first time in the history of mankind that we are setting ourselves the task of intentionally, within a defined period of time, to change the economic development model that has been reigning for at least 150 years, since the Industrial Revolution.” – Christiana Figueres, U.N.’s Framework Convention on Climate Change
  
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  April 6, 2017 3:57pm
  - Tirebiter
    
    I don’t know why everybody gets so upset about ‘climate change’. Lots of posturing and hysteria but nothing is certain. If it’s not happening, what’s the worry? If it is happening we’ll all be dead before it gets intolerable. So just sit back, relax, and work on your tan. Or grow some gills. At this point there’s nothing you can do about it anyway.
    
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    April 7, 2017 1:37am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  damn, KB standards just tanked even further.
  If it gets any worse, I may need to go back to reading the MSM again
  
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  April 7, 2017 7:59am
Inandout

Washing hands after visiting the bog would be a good start. It only takes a second and KFC can wait.
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April 6, 2017 3:37pm
Jack5

Stephies … if your prayer group is looking for a topic for coffee after mosque, how about this, because quite a few of NZ’s Muslims will hail from Malaysia:

A Malaysian MP, a former sharia court judge, says girls as young as nine are “physically and spiritually” ready for marriage, and that rape victims might marry the rapists.

http://www.smh.com.au/world/outrage-after-malaysian-mp-condones-rapists-marrying-their-victims-20170406-gves82.html

Let’s know the group’s conclusions, Stephies, and we’ve also been wondering whether the Kiwiblog cooler cells’ floors were hard on the foreheads?
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April 6, 2017 4:35pm
- GoVege
  
  But isn’t it great that his comments “sparked outrage in this majority Muslim nation”?
  
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  April 6, 2017 4:50pm
  - Inandout
    
    It appears the Muslim clergy have a propensity for sexual views, and almost without exception they are overweight grease balls. Imagine the poor youngster being pored over by a sweating Muslim male, chanting passages from the Koran as he carries out his despicable deed. Shit, why do we allow these pigs into NZ?
    
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    April 6, 2017 5:23pm
  - Jack5
    
    GoVege, the Muslims account for 61.3% of the population, but Malaysia has a long way to go in tolerance.
    
    It has been becoming more intolerant of other religions.
    
    Here’s an extract from an official American document (source follows in first link):
    
    The [Malaysian] government continued to bar Muslims from converting to another religion and imposed fines, detentions, and canings on those classified under the law as Muslim who contravene sharia codes. Christians continued to face difficulty in using the word “Allah” to denote God. In April [2016] the government amended the sedition laws; changes included the criminalization of speech that “promotes ill will, hostility or hatred on the grounds of religion.” Even before the amendment, however, sedition laws had been used against those deemed to be insulting Islam, with one opposition politician sentenced to 16 months in prison for a social media posting.
    
    https://my.usembassy.gov/irf2015_my-081016/
    
    AND
    
    Malaysians not allowed to convert to Christianity:
    
    http://www.evangelical-times.org/archive/item/2384/News/News—Malaysia-s-religious-intolerance/
    
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    April 6, 2017 5:51pm
    - Jack5
      
      Could Malaysia be the hate-speech model for Dame Devoid and our Chief of Police? Or do they have in mind something less aggressive?
      
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      April 6, 2017 5:58pm
    - SPC
      
      I do not get why Malaysian Christians would want to use an Arabic term for the god, (relevent to them, until Islam Arabs were polytheist or henotheist, because it was their induction into monotheism).
      
      But then I do not get why Moslem Malaysians would do it either, they do not speak Arabic.
      
      The whole use of terms in one language across languages results in people confusing terms with names. Whether for god or some adversary/slanderer of god.
      
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      April 6, 2017 7:19pm
      - Jack5
        
        This link explains your point about the use of the word “Allah”, SPC.
        
        Apparently it was an issue between Muslims and the Roman Catholic Church in Malaysia. Here’s an extract from the 2015 article linked to below:
        
        The Church launched a court case to challenge the directive, arguing that the word Allah had been used for centuries in Malay-language Bibles and other literature to refer to God outside of Islam. But authorities say that using Allah in non-Muslim literature could confuse Muslims and entice them to convert, which is a crime in Malaysia.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/23/malaysia-highest-court-allah-bible-ban
        
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        April 6, 2017 8:43pm
    - GoVege
      
      OK Jack5, but look on the bright side : the penalties for converting to another religion did NOT include death.
      An improvement on many other Muslim nations.
      
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      April 6, 2017 10:02pm
- mikenmild
  
  rape victims might marry the rapists
  
  You sound like you should move to New Hampshire, where they’ve kept the marriage age at 13:
  
  They argued the age increase would block young soldiers from getting married and providing military benefits to their partners or children. Others said the change could lead to more single-parent households.
  “If we pass this, we will ensure forever that every child born to a minor will be born out of wedlock,” said Republican Rep. David Bates, of Windham.
  
  Obviously, the most important thing for a pregnant rape victim is to be able to marry her rapist.
  
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  April 6, 2017 5:55pm
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, you say in reply to my post: “You sound like you should move to New Hampshire.”
    
    Are you confusing me with the Malaysian MP who is a former Sharia Judge, or are you, well, just confused today?
    
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    April 6, 2017 6:01pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Sorry, I didn’t mean to imply you support pedophiles; just noting that such support is sometimes found in rather odd places.
      
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      April 6, 2017 6:03pm
- cha
  
  A Malaysian MP, a former sharia court judge,
  
  The 2.4 MB GOP rape advisory chart – one hundred despicable remarks all in one place.
  
  https://goprapeadvisorychart.com/sites/default/files/mosaic.gif
  
  https://goprapeadvisorychart.com/
  
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  April 6, 2017 10:19pm
Happychappy

I see the standard are promoting Womans Weekly and the photo of the the Leader and Deputy Leader of the Labour Party, again the media try to give the Labour Leader a positive spin to make him look good while defending his stupidity and ignorance in a libel case at present in our Court.
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April 6, 2017 4:56pm
- jcuknz
  
  anybody who dresses for a photo-op in a coloured vest isn’t going to get my vote….. now a pink suit might [sarc/] But standardistas loved it.
  
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  April 6, 2017 5:12pm
  - mikenmild
    
    You obviously never voted for John Key then…
    https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=john+key+hard+hat&espv=2&tbm=isch&imgil=eY2cXRrbYd2f1M%253A%253BIosT5pBi_olehM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.radionz.co.nz%25252Fnews%25252Fpolitical%25252F319647%25252Fkey-moments-john-key%27s-three-terms-as-pm&source=iu&pf=m&fir=eY2cXRrbYd2f1M%253A%252CIosT5pBi_olehM%252C_&usg=__jCtzgQkgPJlkl8zXm7Ut4SuPdJk%3D&biw=1093&bih=510&ved=0ahUKEwjglbjelI_TAhVS-GMKHdfXA-IQyjcIKg&ei=qtrlWOCYBtLwjwPXr4-QDg#imgrc=eY2cXRrbYd2f1M:
    
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    April 6, 2017 6:06pm
Inandout

‘Our special bond’, ‘jokes, road trips and whisky sessions’. What haven’t we been told?

https://www.isubscribe.co.nz/images/covers/nz/4/137/xlarge/NewZealandWomansWeekly34201734339.jpg
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April 6, 2017 5:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here you go
  http://www.nowtolove.co.nz/news/current-affairs/jacinda-and-andrew-31576
  
  I’m about to make tea… so don’t think I can bear to read it before eating…
  A precis would be appreciated.
  
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  April 6, 2017 5:42pm
  - stigie
    
    Where is his right hand may i ask, it certainly made Jacinderella giggle to show her outdoor furniture..?
    
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    April 6, 2017 5:54pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Some folks are supplying captions to the Jacinda & Andy photo over at Pete George’s place.
      https://yournz.org/2017/04/06/wtf-andy-and-cindy/#comments
      
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      April 6, 2017 8:35pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”A precis would be appreciated”…..
    
    Their noses match!
    
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    April 6, 2017 6:01pm
    - sam green
      
      So do yours and stigies.
      
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      April 6, 2017 8:19pm
      - nasska
        
        Do not! Stigie’s breathing apparatus has only been broken three times & points to the left. 🙂
        
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        April 6, 2017 8:25pm
Viking2

A MILLION MORE EACH 100 DAYS
Auckland’s rail network is adding a million passenger trips every three to four months. The region’s passenger rail system is expanding at the rate of almost +20% pa carrying 19 million passenger trips in 2016. That is up to 22% of the 87 mln public transport trips, making it the fastest growing segment of the system. By comparison, Wellington had 38 mln public transport trips in 2016, of which 13 mln were by rail. (Wellington’s public transport system useage only had +2% growth in 2016.)

https://at.govt.nz/about-us/news-events/an-extra-million-on-the-trains-in-just-three-months/

So much for the clowns who don’t want rail. Seems the customers do.
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April 6, 2017 5:54pm
- mikenmild
  
  The only questions about rail are about the relative cost for patronage. That’s why the city loop is going ahead – the numbers stack up well against the alternatives.
  
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  April 6, 2017 5:57pm
  - nasska
    
    When it comes down to moving vast numbers of people from where they don’t want to be to where they don’t want to go in the longest possible time when they don’t want to do it……
    
    …..then nothing, but nothing, matches rail.
    
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    April 6, 2017 6:10pm
    - nasska
      
      Photo of proposed carriages for Auckland’s new rail system awaiting refurbishment:
      
      http://www.kiwibonds.com/NZRollingStock/HC%20H%20T%20Woff%20Studholme%20early%2090s%20-%20Darryl%20K%20Bond.jpg
      
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      April 6, 2017 6:25pm
      - Viking2
        
        Some losers are never gracious in defeat.
        
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        April 6, 2017 6:50pm
itstricky

Wouldn’t have thought you guys were in to Woman’s Weekly. Guess everyone surprises now & then.
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April 6, 2017 6:07pm
mikenmild

This one’s pretty good. A transcript of Trump interviewed by the New York Times.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/us/politics/donald-trump-interview-new-york-times-transcript.html?_r=0
Read it and tote up the WTF? moments.
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April 6, 2017 6:29pm
- itstricky
  
  Syria, he’s like a bumbling old man. Bumbling. Not good. Can’t understand a word he says. Nothing. Not a word. Not good.
  
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  April 6, 2017 10:09pm
Viking2

The major construction partner for the $34 million SkyPath pedestrian bridge over Auckland harbour has pulled out, due to the complexity of the project.

Downer Group New Zealand has left a public-private partnership (PPP) with Auckland Council and the SkyPath Trust, because it no longer agrees with the fixed price set for the construction work in July 2016.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/91269271/skypath-construction-partner-downer-pulls-out-drawn-to-more-profitable-projects?cid=facebook.post.91269271
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April 6, 2017 6:47pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bloody good decision by Downer Group.
  This is a dumb-ass idea doomed to a future of problems mainly arising from high-speed downhill cyclists trying to mix it with pedestrians without the energy to get up one side never mind going down the other.
  
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  April 6, 2017 7:15pm
nasska

Noah’s diary : Day 39. Unicorn pie is bloody delicious!
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April 6, 2017 8:20pm
- rangitoto
  
  I’m still trying to work out how Sarcophilus harrisii made its way from Mt Ararat to Tasmania.
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:30pm
- GoVege
  
  Bloody Christians. ..always breaking the rules.
  It specifically says in the bible “I have given you all plants to eat” (something like that anyway).
  They should all be vegetarians!
  
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  April 6, 2017 10:32pm
dad4justice

Day 40 Satan’s soup served to the demented Hillbilly.
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April 6, 2017 8:46pm
- mikenmild
  
  Is ‘Satan’s soup’ a euphemism for what you swallow down at Hagley Park?
  
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  April 6, 2017 9:25pm
  - dad4justice
    
    Go give Norma another one you psycho nutbar.
    
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    April 6, 2017 9:27pm
Maggy Wassilieff

@Jack5

I believe you once asked about one of these characters.
https://yournz.org/2017/04/05/notice-private-prosecution/
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April 6, 2017 9:58pm
- Jack5
  
  Thank you, Maggy.
  
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  April 7, 2017 1:09am
Manolo

Nuking the opposition:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-06/gop-begins-nuclear-rule-move-to-advance-trump-high-court-pick
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