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sooty

What did you stuff up this week, Andy.
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April 30, 2017 8:08am
- Happychappy
  
  Trying to fix a problem with Citizenship for 60,000 Kiwis in Australia over a beer with Bill Shortland only to find those kiwis were not effected by Australia’s latest immigration changes. So I guess I will have to give there PM a ring and apologize.
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:23am
artemisia

For those interested in libraries and their future, Auckland Council has published responses to a bunch of ‘myths’ about upcoming library changes. Eventually these changes will be replicated across all libraries one way or another, as the world changes. While some of the responses are corporate waffle, others are specific, though of course not set in stone for all time. For the record, here are the ‘myths’, responses in the link.

MYTH: Fit for the Future is all about e-books, and interest in e-books has peaked. The council is doing this to force digital services on its customers.

MYTH: Auckland Council has kept the details of Fit for the Future secret, and deliberately excluded the public from the process.

MYTH: Fit for the Future is exclusively about cutting costs and reducing staff numbers, and gives no thought to the needs of individual communities.

MYTH: These changes are going to see a decrease in the quality of service at libraries, all to cut costs.

MYTH: All libraries staff are opposed to the changes, and managers have little concern for their staff’s wellbeing.

MYTH: Auckland Council is making cuts to libraries staff in order to make changes to the Auckland Libraries website. These changes will include removing the catalogue.

http://ourauckland.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/articles/news/2017/04/council-busts-library-myths/

And from an article on changing campus libraries:

“I’ve never actually needed to use a physical book,” Ted Xiao, a graduate student in electrical engineering and computer science at UC Berkeley, told the Los Angeles Times. “I’ve never checked one out. I can’t honestly say I even know how.”

http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/chapter-and-verse/2017/0425/As-colleges-ditch-books-the-future-of-the-campus-library-is-changing
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April 30, 2017 8:13am
- VicParking
  
  They also at first refused to hear the submission by the ratepayers association. After pressure they decided to hear from them but only in a workshop not a committee. This allowed them to not have any public or press present. No photographs and no minutes. It seems Auckland council is reading from the same manual as Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey. Goffy upzip is running the council meetings like they were a Union meeting
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:31am
  - Southern Raider
    
    How dare you think you know better than a lowly council policy worker
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:43am
    - itstricky
      
      Have a read back through the last couple of days posts. There is one there where DPF laid on the smarmy and dismissed concerns from librarians and was then told that he didn’t know what he was talking about by someone who does.
      
      One shouldn’t be arrogant about just what one “knows”
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:29am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I know!
    The Auckland Council can do a funding deal with Saudi Arabia so that the Mayor can get his electric train set and all the soon-to-be-redundant libraries can be converted into mosques.
    
    What’s not to like!
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    April 30, 2017 10:02am
- stephieboy
  
  Books are actually having a revival in purchases and lending and e literature a decline. Libraries will continue to be repositories of paper resources available to the public , reflecting our historical heritage and civilised values ,in a host of contexts .
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:44am
  - artemisia
    
    That shift from ebooks to paper is recent and may be a blip. We’ll have to wait and see.
    
    An increase in eaudio books was noted at the same time. My metropolitan library now adds almost no new audio books on CD.
    
    I live on a cul de sac. Only 3 or 4 years ago, the early morning paper was delivered to 6 homes, including mine. Now only one.
    
    Anecdotes but still …
    
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    April 30, 2017 8:52am
    - redqueen
      
      That may be more to do with the quality of the paper than a general shift itself. Also, news is more time sensitive. Not saying that ebooks arent good, but I think it’s a bit more complicated (for instance, I end up with numerous print outs for technical books).
      
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      April 30, 2017 9:11am
    - Southern Raider
      
      That’s got nothing to do with reading options. That’s because the Herald is absolute rubbish and you wouldn’t use the printed copy in your bathroom, let alone bother reading it in print or e form
      
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      April 30, 2017 9:45am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        I don’t subscribe to NZH or its local offering. I’m quite sure I’m not the only one that bins the regular enticements.
        Most businesses would figure out that if people don’t want your goods for free there is something wrong with your product.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:19am
    - Fletch
      
      Having said that, Amazon is opening a bricks-and-mortar store in Australia. I’m guessing they wouldn’t be doing that if they didn’t expect people to buy.
      
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      April 30, 2017 12:05pm
- cmm
  
  They’re using the “Fake News” strategy.
  
  I was going to ask if they think the average Aucklander falls for this shit, but they did fall for Goff….
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:52am
  - redqueen
    
    20% or so. The others either voted against him (about 10%) or were part of the 70-odd per cent who were too thick to vote, but seem to love complaining…
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:13am
  - jonar
    
    Is the “Fake news” strategy the one where you just cry “Fake news” if there’s a news story you don’t like?
    
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    April 30, 2017 3:27pm
Paulus

Am disappointed at our media’s adulation of the return of the drug cheat Sharapova upon her return to professional tennis.
Why do we have two days of it both on RNZ and TVNZ ?
Is this the best standard that our media can stoop to.
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April 30, 2017 8:25am
- VicParking
  
  Ali Williams’s drug purchase lasted all of 24hrs before the MSM tucked it under the carpet. Mind you Ali does not have nice legs and a wear short skirts.
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:36am
  - dad4justice
    
    Surely Ali doesn’t look as good as this?
    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=maria+sharapova&id=C0B40CAE623A0DC90386ADDBC184D7BEAEB4F151&FORM=IQFRBA
    
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    April 30, 2017 8:38am
  - RF
    
    Don’t forget my precious Dan Carter. He has gone under the radar after drunk driving on the 15th Feb. I guess everyone is hoping it will just go away.
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:03am
    - mikenmild
      
      He is precious – a national treasure. Give him a knighthood please, before Beauden Barrett makes us all forget how great Carter was.
      
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      April 30, 2017 9:05am
      - calendar girl
        
        Indeed Carter was a truly great player. That Wellington Test against the 2005 Lions, and the Final of the 2015 World Cup, were virtuoso performances orchestrated by no mere mortal.
        
        Carter’s best is behind him now, not unexpectedly as he’s 35 years of age. But his sublime skills remain memories to be treasured.
        
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        April 30, 2017 5:17pm
    - doggone7
      
      Virtually every day of the week people appear in courts for drink driving charges. None are minor course.
      
      They don’t “just go away” except for the cases where they go away to do it again often astonishingly over the legal limits.
      
      Daniel Carter under the radar? February the 15th? Do you want him to be headline news every day? Has nothing else happened in the world in that time?
      
      Are you concerned about the local cases and demand that they are daily headline news, not under the radar, not just going away?
      
      Or are you only interested in ‘your precious’?
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:01am
      - RF
        
        Yes I agree Carter was once a good player but not really deserving of all the awards heaped on him.
        
        I am surprised that after 2 months there has been no mention of a court case. It would have been a guilty plea so with all the media attention he
        received when pinged it’s gone very quiet. He is not some French farmer caught driving his tractor whilst pissed.
        
        I don’t give a horses arse about ABs that stuff up and I hope they face the same penalties as you and I would. Usually they receive a wet bus ticket penalty because of their status.
        
        To show that I am not just targeting my wee precious I don’t rate the current AB captain as well.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:41am
  - Paulus
    
    But hasn’t Ali lost his job ?
    
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    April 30, 2017 1:23pm
    - RF
      
      Yes Ali is done & dusted.
      
      I am talking about the other ex AB, Gollum.
      
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      April 30, 2017 3:16pm
- cmm
  
  Look at how they handled the cry baby golf cheat Lexi Thomas too.
  
  Not her fault she was caught.
  
  The field is tilted so that women can play. When they tilt the field even further by cheating then that’s Ok.
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:59am
  - howitis
    
    The event in question was absolutely minor and highly highly unlikely to change the result of a very short putt.
    No official said anything on the day and she signed her card that day in good faith.
    
    The next day the officials used outside influence to change the accepted result of the day before and unwisely added 2 penalty points for the ball re-placement as well as an additional 2 points penalty for signing her card based on the accepted result at the end of that day’s play (in good faith).
    This action by the officials was malicious and absurd.
    They were probably sitting in the stands drinking stupid juice.
    If the additional 2 stroke penalty had not been added for ‘incorrectly signing the card’ she would have maintained her lead and not faced a playoff in which she lost.
    
    I’m guessing in your semi wisdom CMM you are referring to Lexi Thompson!
    …Or perhaps there was an incident somewhere in the world with a Lexi Thomas in which you are correct and in which case I stand corrected!!
    
    It was a women only tournament and there was some tilt or slope, as it is known, on the course in question.
    
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    April 30, 2017 1:07pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      The thing that got me about the Lexi Thompson incident was the petty small-mindedness of the fun-starved trainspotter watching on TV who reported something that officials couldn’t have spotted even if they were looking for it.
      And because she was in the lead the cameras were zooming in on her every move – what about the players further back in the field who could have got away with hitting each other over the head with a 3-wood and nobody would have noticed?
      
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      April 30, 2017 5:20pm
- SPC
  
  Wrong in fact, was not found to have been a drug cheat.
  
  And blame the whining tour brats who moaned about the unpopular girl being allowed to compete against them for making it news.
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:00am
mikenmild

One hundred years ago.

At midnight on 30 April 1917 the Q-ship (an armed vessel disguised as a merchant ship) HMS Prize was attacked by a submarine, U-93, south of Ireland. Prize was badly damaged by shellfire from the U-boat’s deck guns.

Prize’s commander, New Zealander William Sanders, remained under cover, moving about the vessel reassuring his men, while a ‘panic party’ took to the boats to give the impression the ship had been abandoned.

The U-boat approached to within 80 yards before Sanders ordered the White Ensign hoisted and Prize opened fire. Within a few minutes the submarine was on fire and her bows rose in the air, whilst Prize was further damaged. The U-boat disappeared from sight, and was believed to have been sunk.

Because the use of Q-ships such as Prize were still secret, the published details of his award when it was gazetted simply read:
“In recognition of his conspicuous gallantry, consummate coolness, and skill in command of one of H.M. Ships in action.”

Unknown to the British, however, the U-boat was not sunk, and managed to return with news of the Q-ship ruse.

Sanders was offered command of a destroyer of his choosing, which he declined. He returned to sea in May with Prize conducting a second patrol for three weeks. Sanders was wounded slightly in an action on 12 June, in which the Prize was fired at 30 times by the U-boat being attacked. Sanders was made a DSO for this action.

Prize was lost on its fourth patrol, Sanders having been promoted to lieutenant commander. On 14 August 1917, UB-48 spotted Prize. The Q-ship was recognised by the captain of the U-boat, who had been warned by the survivors of U-93 and did not approach Prize too closely. Instead, it remained submerged and fired two torpedoes into the sailing ship, blowing her to pieces. Rescue craft were unable to find a trace of her crew when they arrived in the area, long after the U-boat had escape.

New Zealand’s only naval VC winner. Commemorated with the Sanders Cup for yachting.
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April 30, 2017 8:42am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Great post MM. Thanks.
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:56am
  - mikenmild
    
    We have so many great stories in our history and it’s a pity many of them are not as well known as they could be.
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:01am
    - PhilBest
      
      One episode in NZ military history that needs to be pushed to the front of public consciousness, is the period around 1940 after we had joined the war, when several German Q-ships sailed around NZ coasts, sometimes within sight of shore, laying mines, intercepting ships and sinking them, taking prisoners, etc
      
      The NZ Labour government in its wisdom re “benign strategic environment” had scrapped the Air Force in 1937, and we had nothing that could drop a bomb from the air on any of these enemy vessels even when we knew where they were. A single Navy frigate was vainly trying to steam hundreds of miles at a time to intercept one of them, without ever succeeding.
      
      EDIT: this situation persisted until the Yanks sold us a few planes in 1941, the Poms had been unable to spare any.
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:06am
      - mikenmild
        
        Nearly everything you have written in that comment is wrong.
        The German raiders in the 1940s were not ‘Q-ships’, which were particular RN vessels in the First World War designed to lure U-boats to attack from close range on the surface.
        Raiders in New Zealand waters, in both world wars, were disguised as merchant ship, not the same thing.
        The RNZAF was founded in 1937 by the Labour government, which wanted to orient defence more towards the air. This led to the purchase of the Wellington bombers which became the famous No 75 Squadron.
        New Zealand’s critical defence weakness at the start of the war was in trained and experienced army officers, as a consequence of the neglect of the army in the 1920s and 1930s.
        New Zealand had no frigates in the Second World War. There were two cruisers (Achilles and Leander) in the NZ Division of the Royal Navy, and these were deployed as required to hunt for raiders.
        There was a limited air patrol capacity from New Zealand in the early years of the war (with the Wellingtons left in Britain), but the RNZAF was rapidly expanded, with reconnaissance, fighter and bombing squadrons.
        Have you ever read any books about NZ during WWII? I’d be happy to recommend some.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:33am
      - Kimbo
        
        Given your obvious and extensive knowledge of NZ history, mikenmild, are you able to confirm when Philbest’s alleged “Long March” by the cultural Marxists through our national institutions began (MJ Savage neutering our military c1937?!), and why if all changes since then have been (to quote Philbest) “entirely” (whoop! whoop! Kimbo’s law!) to the left, how do we assess the end of tariffs, import restrictions, industry subsidies and awards, the sell-off of state assets, the introduction of employment contacts, benefit cuts and other “neo-liberal” reforms?
        
        Alternatively, you may wish to place the “Long March” in the same category as EAD’s (((theory))).
        
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        April 30, 2017 11:40am
      - PhilBest
        
        OK, I was technically inaccurate with a couple of terms, Mr Nitpicker, but how dare you move straight from that to whitewashing these shameful episodes out of NZ history.
        
        I would be one of the more well-read on this forum.
        
        GERMAN RAIDERS IN THE PACIFIC
        
        http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-WH2-1Epi-c1-WH2-1Epi-j.html
        
        The Wellington bombers you refer to were ordered very late in the day when war was imminent, and remained in Britain more as a matter of necessity rather than choice, even if the government tried to put a “generous” face on it.
        
        The combat wing scrapped by the Labour government in 1937 consisted of obsolete biplanes, but nevertheless they would have been sufficient for the necessity that cropped up 3 years later. More modern replacements ordered at the right time, and phased into operation in NZ, would have been ideal. The fact remains that the air combat force was deliberately scrapped, with no replacements intended at the time; and our defencelessness in 1940 even in the face of the most lightly-armed raiding vessels, was because of that.
        
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        April 30, 2017 12:10pm
      - Kimbo
        
        OK, I was technically inaccurate with a couple of terms, Mr Nitpicker, but how dare you move straight from that to whitewashing these shameful episodes out of NZ history.
        
        How dare I? 😉 Now you sound like an offended quasi-Marxist SJW 😉 So not only yet another deceptive adverb acting as a rhetorical shill to cover your…lack of truth, but also faux outrage? When in a hole, stop digging. Especially (justified adverb!) when you tried (“One episode in NZ military history that needs to be pushed to the front of public consciousness”) to politicise the sacrifices of our military in the first place…
        
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        April 30, 2017 12:19pm
      - mikenmild
        
        You should read the standard work on the prewar period, New Zealand Prepares for War by W. David McIntyre instead of flaunting your ignorance.
        
        I would be one of the more well-read on this forum
        
        Snort.
        
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        April 30, 2017 12:20pm
    - kowtow
      
      Indeed.
      
      “In late September 1917, Worsley and the PC.61 were on patrol to the south of Ireland. On 26 September 1917, a nearby tanker was struck by a torpedo from a U-boat, UC-33. Observing the explosion, Worsley gradually slowed his propellers, hoping to deceive the U-boat’s crew into thinking his P-boat was leaving the area and luring the submarine to the surface.[71] The deception was successful and the UC-33 surfaced, intending to sink the tanker with its deck gun. Worsley immediately ordered full speed ahead and, realising that he would lose time in manoeuvring his ship into a position in which she could use her guns, set a collision course with the U-boat, intending to ram the submarine. At high speeds the bow, to which the ram was fitted, of the PC.61 lifted out of the water considerably, and Worsley had to reduce speed at the right moment in order for it to be at the right height to strike the submarine. He timed the reduction of speed of the PC.61 perfectly and she struck the UC-33 midships as it was submerging. The submarine rapidly sunk with nearly all hands, the exception being the captain, who was rescued and later gifted Worsley a silver whistle. The damaged tanker was towed to Milford Haven in Wales, which took 12 hours in an area where other U-boats were known to be lurking.[72]
      
      For his role in the sinking of the UC-33, Worsley was awarded the Distinguished Service Order (DSO) and Shackleton sent him a telegraph congratulating him on his success.[73]”
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Worsley
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:23am
- cmm
  
  If you’re going to cut and paste then acknowledge sources.
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:01am
  - mikenmild
    
    Oh, sorry. Mainly from Wikipedia with some edits. I don’t usually provide a source or link unless it’s something contentious.
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:06am
    - Jack5
      
      Here’s a Stuff story which provides some illustrations that complement Milky’s timely piece.
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/last-post-first-light/91961652/flashback-master-mariner-gunner-billy-only-kiwi-to-win-naval-vc
      
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      April 30, 2017 11:53am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Like using Wikipedia?
      
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      April 30, 2017 1:38pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Wikipedia is such a go-to reference that it is not usually worth citing it as a source, unless you are paranoid that it’s run by Jews or space aliens or someone.
        
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        April 30, 2017 3:04pm
duggledog

A Bay of Plenty iwi is devastated that local dairy farms have polluted ‘its sacred pipi beds’ with E coli bacteria:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/programmes/water-fools/story/201841352/water-fools-sacred-pipi-beds-polluted

1: They’re not f***ing ‘yours’.

2: Do you want pipis, or do you want Treaty Settlements, welfare, housing, border security, good roads, world class hospitals, education, Maori TV, Maori language programmes, a Race Relations department, a pension at 65, a Police force, legal aid?

3: ‘The iwi has relied on the nearby Waiotahe pipi beds to feed its whanau for over 100 years’
No it hasn’t ‘relied’ on pipis. It has relied on its diet of primarily European foods brought to a people who had run out of protein and were resorting to cannibalism. Potatoes, pigs, sheep, beef and… yep, milk.

4: ‘They don’t even know it’s dairy cows yet. It probably is, but they haven’t done the testing. They suspect it’s dairy farming.

This is how the far left (anything to the left of National is ‘far left’) and the Unions are bringing the fight to the General Election, using the ever-compliant RNZ. Expect it to go into overdrive.
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April 30, 2017 8:47am
- kowtow
  
  Do Ngai Tahu own the yellow eyed mullets?
  
  “Judge Joanna Maze called for the restorative justice programme to run to give the Fifitas the chance to meet representatives from Ngai Tahu and learn about the impact of poaching in the Kakanui River.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/north-otago/pair-convicted-selling-black-market-fish
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:53am
- mikenmild
  
  Does it matter ‘whose’ pipi they are? Although legally, I think they may well belong to the iwi if they have established a continuous customary right to take them. It would be interesting to test whether they then have a right to take action against those whose action have caused the pollution – local authority or even individual farmers.
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:54am
  - holysheet
    
    Wouldn’t the owners of the river be in the gun? After all, the supposed pollution has to get to the beach and that can only happen via the river.
    We could end up with a tribal war. iwi against iwi with the taxpayer footing the bill as is always the case.
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:26am
    - Viking2
      
      UMM, some of em farms are owned by the same named tribe members. Oh Shit.
      
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      April 30, 2017 12:19pm
  - Fletch
    
    I guess it isn’t one of those rivers that has been granted personhood and so owns the pipis itself… 🙄
    
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    April 30, 2017 12:15pm
- cmm
  
  RNZ are really pushing the water quality barrow hard at the moment.
  
  I wonder if, like some other dairy run-off, it only gets worse once it has gone past a town.
  
  A quick look on Google Maps shows the harbour catchment is pretty small (hills all around) and it does not really look like typical flat dairy country.
  
  Is Ohope village maybe the source of the problem?
  
  NB: I’m not saying it isn’t the dairy, but there are other possibilities too.
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:15am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  When did this contamination occur?
  Is it related to the torrential rain and resultant flooding in the BoP?
  Every whare paku in the region has probably contributed to water pollution this April.
  Not eating shellfish in an area affected by heavy rain is fairly standard common sense.
  
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  April 30, 2017 10:35am
kowtow

Enoch was right. Rivers of blood. As well as piss poor sentencing.

“The debate surrounding knife crime was thrown again into the spotlight after six people aged between 17 and 48 were killed in London between April 22 and Friday afternoon, with at least one believed to be gang related.”
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April 30, 2017 8:49am
- kowtow
  
  Argh.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/29/knife-crime-14-gang-warfare-becoming-embedded-culture/
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:54am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Knife crime – imbedded culture
    Is it stand up comic night?
    
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    April 30, 2017 10:36am
    - kowtow
      
      Black humour?
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:59am
SPC

A few days ago Trump said Canada had a “tremendous” trade surplus with US.

(when it is a US$15 billion deficit).

Apparently he was preparing the way for declaring the US was leaving NAFTA at the 100 day mark.

Did not happen.

May not happen.

Will not happen?
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April 30, 2017 8:56am
- mikenmild
  
  Trump celebrates 100 days in office with a campaign rally (who’s he campaigning against?) and whining about ‘fake news’.
  Sad!
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:00am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yeah, he’s skipping the Correspondents Dinner. Good on him.
    ‘In the new poll, roughly half (51 percent) of Americans said the national political media “is out of touch with everyday Americans,” compared with 28 percent who said it “understand the issues everyday Americans are facing.”
    
    President Donald Trump, a frequent public antagonist of the press and the first president in 36 years to skip the confab, is also slightly more trusted than the national political media. Thirty-seven percent of Americans said they trusted Trump’s White House to tell the truth, while 29 percent opted for the media.’
    https://morningconsult.com/2017/04/28/political-media-earns-poor-marks-americans/
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:51am
    - mikenmild
      
      Are you going to tell us his latest approval ratings?
      
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      April 30, 2017 9:54am
      - All_on_Red
        
        43-47%
        Although I saw something the other day stating they’re probably 5-6% under.
        No surprise really. I doubt any President has ever had to face such approbrium from the Media, the Dems and even some of the GOP!
        He’ll have to earn any increase.
        His base is happy. Did you see the Poll where he would beat Hillary again and in the Popular vote!
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:01am
    - jonar
      
      The 37% that trust Trump when he’s shown to be lying are out of touch with reality.
      
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      April 30, 2017 3:40pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Another Trump Derangement Syndrome post.
    
    Of course he’s still campaigning! It would be foolish NOT to do so!
    
    Given the orchestrated MSM campaign of disinformation against his programme he has to do these public events so the burgeoning citizen-reporter cohort can get his words out sans CNN or MSNBC anti-Trump spin.
    
    His camp is redefining political management practices – this is why your head is still exploding. He’s using the Left’s own Alinsky tactics and ohhh they don’t like it when the other team play dirty too! (“It’s not fair, it’s only OK to lie like a motherf***er if you are on the Left!”)
    
    The media are the opposition, the campaign never ends!
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:54am
    - mikenmild
      
      What does he get from campaigning apart from making himself feel good?
      Does it advance his agenda (to the extent that he has one)?
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:13am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Why don’t you ask Obama? He held quite a few ‘thank you’rallies after he was elected.
        Trump is holding this one in Pennsylvania. Quite an important State don’t you think.
        
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        April 30, 2017 11:19am
      - Viking2
        
        Same as J Key. He’s out there among people.
        It matters.
        
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        April 30, 2017 12:26pm
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Well – if you read my post you’d understand. But – let me try again for you.
        
        He’s speaking to the American people without it being filtered.
        
        35,000 people at the rally filming it for themselves and showing it (UNEDITED) to their friends and family, posting it on Youtube so you can see what he’s saying (as opposed to the carefully edited hit jobs from the MSM).
        
        He’s bypassing the MSM – the real opposition!
        
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        April 30, 2017 6:49pm
    - Fletch
      
      Obama campaigned for 8 years.
      
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      April 30, 2017 12:17pm
- All_on_Red
  
  You don’t think $15 Billion is a lot of money?
  It’s about $63 Billion with Mexico so combined quite a lot.
  The US, Canada and Mexico have agreed to review NAFTA. Talks start soon.
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/27/trump-agrees-to-renegotiate-nafta-with-canada-mexico-leaders.html
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:17am
- ngatimozart
  
  Interesting because two very protectionist markets.
  
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  April 30, 2017 4:13pm
mikenmild

Congratulation to Valerie Adams, but

The 32-year-old and husband Gabriel Price are four months pregnant

A medical miracle!
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April 30, 2017 8:57am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Try ‘we are a grandmother’
  
  Margaret Thatcher 1989
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:26am
timmydevo

Based on yesterday’s poll, ACT would have a second MP. Any speculation as to who that might be? And would there be any chance they would contribute more over an electoral term than all of NZ First’s MPs (other than Winnie) put together?
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April 30, 2017 9:25am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The answer to your first question: No idea.
  The answer to your second question: Absolutely.
  To all the frustrated fools talking about switching their party vote from National to NZF: Have a think about it and give it to Act. This way there’s no chance that Winnie could side with the coalition of losers and we would have a National-led Govt. with an effective handbrake on leftist nonsense.
  
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  April 30, 2017 10:08am
  - timmydevo
    
    Good response. I do find it funny that there is a lot of talk about tail wagging dog et al. However, if the dog isn’t moving there comes a time where the tail needs to be pulled. I never thought it possible that I would consider voting ACT in an election, but it’s time to give the dog a shakeup! (And I’m not interested in populist stuff that Winnie rambles on about…)
    
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    April 30, 2017 10:33am
- Jack5
  
  Ssadly, if you are rising from only 1 per cent to 1.5 per cent in poll that might mean as low an increase in support as from eight ACT voters polled to 12.
  
  The problem remains whether a party vote for ACT is likely to be wasted.
  
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  April 30, 2017 1:24pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Jack5, your vote for Act will NOT be wasted as long as Seymour holds Epsom. And he will.
    
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    April 30, 2017 3:15pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Only if the total party vote is sufficient to elect another MP from the list. It wasn’t last time, so one could even say that ALL party votes for ACT n 2014 were wasted.
      
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      April 30, 2017 3:18pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        You could probably say that, but currently they’re polling at 1.5%, which would earn them that second MP.
        
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        April 30, 2017 3:53pm
      - mikenmild
        
        On the same subject, the electorate exemption from the 5% threshold make no sense. It just provides a mechanism for tame coalition partners to be gifted electorate seats.
        
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        April 30, 2017 6:04pm
Reid

War On A Lake Of Death Will Prove That Men Are Gods

Yoichi Shimatsu discusses likely outcomes of a US-NK conflict centred on the Sea of Japan.

http://www.rense.com/general96/lakeofdeath.html#sthash.ARBahtPj.dpuf
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April 30, 2017 9:36am
- Jack5
  
  For some North Koreans, Hell has already arrived.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4458844/Thousands-North-Korea-s-prisons-face-butchered.html
  
  PS: The guard’s bayonet looks to be upside down on the AK47, but a quick Google search indicates that the bayonet usually is attached this way up.
  
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  April 30, 2017 4:35pm
holysheet

Not much in the MSM about the announcement of trump reducing the corporate tax to 15%.
With huge corporates holding in total $1.3 trillion (apple with 215 billion) sitting of shore in accounts, now this money will be flowing back to the US. This is a windfall for the us treasury. Apple will pay 30 million tax and the rest will be spent boosting the economy.
And you still insist Trump has done nothing.

Read the full article here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Companies_of_the_United_States_with_untaxed_profits
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April 30, 2017 9:36am
- mikenmild
  
  Maybe not too much comment because it is highly unlikely that Trump’s sketchy tax ‘plan’ will be legislated by Congress.
  Perhaps we can expect another tweet: “who knew tax reform could be so complicated?”
  Sad!
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:39am
- All_on_Red
  
  I doubt he will get 15%. The one off Tax to bring profit back is interesting. Could provide a large stimulus.
  Still, the US Tax Code is a mess. Well overdue for simplification. My US friends say that it’s pretty nigh impossible to do a perfect return. The IRS can always find something as it’s so convoluted.
  We’re pretty lucky here. Be good when the Provisional Tax mess is sorted here too.
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:55am
  - Southern Raider
    
    I’ve been commenting to colleagues for years about how stupid Obama was to not offer Apple and others one of deals to repatriate profits.
    
    Apple doesn’t want the money in those tax havens as they can’t use it and they have more than they could ever spend, US stock holders would love a share buyback at a premium and the US Govt can do with a one off massive cash injection
    
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    April 30, 2017 10:00am
- Southern Raider
  
  I read this yesterday and wondered why the media hadn’t picked it up and then realised it’s a positive story about Trump.
  
  The $24K combined couple tax free bracket is interesting as well, plus reducing multiple tax brackets for personal tax down to three simple ones
  
  Anyone know what our tax rate could be if we paid nothing in benefits eg no dole, no DPB, no working for families? I think this would blow people away if they knew how much this was costing them in the pocket every week
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:58am
  - SPC
    
    We pay the same amount for two things
    
    1. Invalids Benefit/Sickness Benefit/Unemployment Benefit (Job Seeker)/DPB
    2. Super to those still working.
    
    1. is falling
    2. is still rising and will be 50% higher than the other within a decade or so.
    
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    April 30, 2017 10:12am
    - GoVege
      
      I agree SPC, but at least those thousands of rich over-65’s taking the pension aren’t pushing out 10 or 12 little future crims like a fair few of those on the DPB.
      
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      April 30, 2017 3:47pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Imagine if we cut out superannuation, health, and infrastructure as well. You might end up paying no tax at all!
    Make New Zealand Great Again!
    Have you thought of getting a Twitter account?
    
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    April 30, 2017 10:16am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Well good to see it confirmed that you are keen on keeping the poor as poor as possible and incentivising them to stay out of participation in society wallowing in a morass of wasted potential.
      
      Making unsustainable is after all the only way to make that bold step to get rid of capitalism and replace it with a Venezuala-type socialist nirvana.
      
      Yeah nah!
      
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      April 30, 2017 11:23am
    - pentwig
      
      So good to see you being stupid again Milky.
      Keep it up!!
      
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      April 30, 2017 6:07pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Is it true that ‘pentwig’ is a Middle English term for a micro-penis?
        
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        April 30, 2017 6:15pm
- jonar
  
  Good article here on the problems associated with it http://m.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11846620
  “Alan Cole, an economist at the right-leaning Tax Foundation, calculates that the corporate tax cuts alone would reduce government revenue by $2 trillion over 10 years. That would require growth to accelerate nearly a full percentage point, to 2.8 percent a year, from its current level. Yet Cole forecasts that growth would increase only 0.4 percent annually.
  
  Other economists say that if the cuts balloon the deficit, the resulting jump in government borrowing would swell interest rates and make it harder for businesses and households to borrow and spend.
  
  Ethan Harris, chief global economist at Bank of America Merrill Lynch, says such a “crowding out” effect can cancel out any benefits to the economy.”
  
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  April 30, 2017 3:52pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Here’s a description from George Callas, who serves as senior tax counsel to House Speaker Paul Ryan:
    
    It would not alter business decisions. It would not cause anyone to build a factory. It would not stop any inversions or acquisitions of U.S. companies by foreign companies. It would not cause anyone to restructure their supply chain. It would just be dropping cash out of helicopters onto corporate headquarters.
    
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    April 30, 2017 6:20pm
Chuck Bird

AJ is the winner!

Hope Parker gets a shot!
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April 30, 2017 9:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hate to say it but he would get creamed.
  
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  April 30, 2017 10:10am
- Colville
  
  AJ would pound Parker at the mo’
  
  Maybe after 4 serious fights offshore.
  
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  April 30, 2017 10:20am
EAD

As I said the other day, to understand the truth and who really rules over you (apart from, as Voltaire said, learning who you’re not allowed to criticise), stop reading the controlled MSM in the West and read Jewish publications not aimed at Western readers:

http://forward.com/news/national/370369/in-100-days-a-new-jewish-elite-rises-under-trump/?attribution=author-article-listing-1-headline

Liberal-leaning Jewish activists, once the backbone of communal advocacy, had been pushed aside in favor of a new elite made up of activists who are more conservative in their politics and more Orthodox in their religious practice. The new leaders representing American Jewish interests in the White House are keen to shape policy on education and religious expression and to ensure a pro-Israel stance more in line with the Netanyahu government.

So, to cut a long story short, that whilst their preferred candidate they were bankrolling did not get in: http://www.jta.org/2016/10/26/top-headlines/5-top-donors-to-clinton-election-bid-reportedly-are-jewish

they’re still in charge under the new administration..

And people wonder we call it America ZOG – (Zionist Occupied Government).
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April 30, 2017 9:59am
- Southern Raider
  
  You would have been in heaven in 1930s Germany
  
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  April 30, 2017 10:02am
  - EAD
    
    It would be good wouldn’t it have been Southern Raider?
    
    Imagine that – a government working for the good of the nation of people it represents rather than for a foreign entity and wealthy financiers. Remember that Frankfurt School & all of their nation wreckers fled Germany in the 1930’s and Germany left League of Nations (the precursor to the evil UN)
    
    The profound improvement Hitler bought to German life, economically, culturally from the deprivation of Weimar Germany led to him being named Time Man of the Year in 1938.
    
    Germany of the 1930’s witnessed a flourishing unseen before in human history and to quote below
    
    Baked goods aside, the facts reveal that the most creative period in world history may have been Germany between 1932 and 1945, and that much of America’s scientific lead came from looting German patents by the ton, both in World War I and far more so after World War II.
    
    https://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/articles/patents.html#note1
    
    PS: anything to say on the points I raised in my first post or just a lame attempt to deflect and smear?
    
    Imagine the outrage if, in my 9.59am post it was a changing of the “Russian” or “Chinese” elite influencing the White House following a change in administration?
    
    Am I only one that thinks this situation is just a bit, how shall we say it, odd?
    
    “The real hopeless victims of mental illness are to be found among those who appear to be most normal. “Many of them are normal because they are so well adjusted to our mode of existence, because their human voice has been silenced so early in their lives, that they do not even struggle or suffer or develop symptoms as the neurotic does.” They are normal not in what may be called the absolute sense of the word; they are normal only in relation to a profoundly abnormal society. – Aldous Huxley
    
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    April 30, 2017 10:15am
    - mikenmild
      
      the most creative period in world history may have been Germany between 1932 and 1945
      
      Which aspect of creativity do you most admire:
      – expelling the Jewish scientists?
      – euthanising the handicapped?
      – attempting to annihilate the Jews?
      – destroying ‘degenerate’ art and books?
      – starting a new world war?
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:19am
      - EAD
        
        Good to see you repeating the “history” that the approved history books taught you. You were at it again yesterday I noticed repeating the approved view on the Treaty of Waitangi and have been on here numerous times talking the approved view on climate change.
        
        Amongst your cliches, the only one that is true is that they did destroy degenerate art and books and brothels that had taken root during Weimar. Germany has always been a nation of high culture (Wagner, Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Handel being the most notable) yet the Marxists degenerated their culture which, when Hitler came to power, the Frankfurt School fled.
        
        PS: stop watching movies – Einstein was not “expelled” – he didn’t return from America…
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:33am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        But it was a socialist regime that didn’t brook any opinions other than their own, one that staged mass rallies of violent thugs to silence any contrary views.
        
        Just like the socialist movements of today really – so you can’t be surprised about historical anti-semitism in a socialist context when we see so much of it from the Left today.
        
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        April 30, 2017 11:20am
      - Kimbo
        
        Which aspect of creativity do you most admire:
        
        Yeah, but those SS uniforms (always a bad taste favourite at fancy dress parties), bombastic Nuremberg anthems (inspired the stadium rock of Freddie Mercury and Queen 😉 ) and torchlight rallies, and Albert Speer’s architecture Well, it was better than Le Courbusier) were striking! //
        
        And Leni Riefenstahl was an innovative film director. Pity.
        
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        April 30, 2017 11:50am
      - Kimbo
        
        PS: stop watching movies – Einstein was not “expelled” – he didn’t return from America…
        
        Hmm. Study in America in freedom, or return to Germany and be turned into soap*. Which choice would one make? Well, he was…Einstein 😉
        
        * Just for you, EAD, I threw a factoid in there that may of may not be true, or at least greatly exaggerated.
        
        http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-soap-myth
        
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        April 30, 2017 11:59am
      - Jack5
        
        Periods of war seem to unleash engineering creativity.
        
        If we ignore the appalling crimes of the Nazis, we can acknowledge that they made a big contribution to the start of the Space Age.
        
        The Soviets and the Americans both used Nazi-era German technology in their early space efforts.
        
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        April 30, 2017 4:13pm
    - SteveEEE
      
      EAD the most creative period in world history began with your first contributions on this blog.
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:23am
      - mikenmild
        
        He’s particularly found of bogus quotes,a core part of the neo-Nazi historical method.
        And he still has the gall to accuse me of making it up.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:53am
- Reid
  
  One of the interesting things about this subject apart from the fact that none the critics of it have ever read any of the available material on it, is that it doesn’t discuss religion or race, it discusses evil.
  
  As it happens a lot of people of a certain tribe, from the evidence, are indeed involved in this evil. There’s not the only ones involved, but they feature large. But so what, because the subject isn’t about a tribe, it’s about evil.
  
  That’s how I look at it and quite frankly, if you don’t look at it like that, then you’re quite likely to misunderstand the whole point and go charging off at some windmill, just like stephie always does, with every single thing he ever thinks and (sadly for us) subsequently talks to us about.
  
  And it’s quite amusing to me, watching this day after day, as yet another of EAD’s threads on evil unfolds, watching all the little stephies charging at the imaginary windmills, that don’t exist, except inside their (apparently empty) heads.
  
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  April 30, 2017 11:18am
  - EAD
    
    It’s funny to watch isn’t it Reid?
    
    Not one person will address the issues that I raise but instead the lemmings charge head first into attacking a strawman that they have been fed from birth as part of their daily 2 minutes of hate.
    
    It is a good analogy in that Lemmings die because they fall off a cliff none of them were able to see that loomed large in their blind stampede.
    
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    April 30, 2017 7:08pm
    - mikenmild
      
      That’s because all you raise is bullshit.
      
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      April 30, 2017 7:22pm
cas

I see a Peter Thiel won his category of the 45-49 age group in the 1.5km ocean swim at the World Masters Games at takapuna this morning.

If it is THE Peter Thiel can we expect hysteria from the media again?
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April 30, 2017 10:25am
- cha
  
  He’s an Australian, so no hysteria for you, Snoflake.
  
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  April 30, 2017 11:12am
Colville

Do the IRD geeks unplug half the online gear just to make the site crash in the weekends or what?

Maybe its a work creation scheme on their part?
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April 30, 2017 11:07am
Rachael Membery

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91913865/police-are-telling-rape-victims-their-hands-are-tied-if-the-accused-denies-it
Come on Louise Nicholas, it doesn’t sound like much has changed.
Good on those women for speaking out.
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April 30, 2017 11:11am
- Longknives
  
  So you are suggesting if the Police/Crown don’t have any evidence the bloke should be charged anyway? Purely because the Complainant has gone running to the media??
  
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  April 30, 2017 12:23pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    No I am saying that no rapist is likely to confess, so there needs to be more investigation than taking a ‘it was consensual’ as job done on the part of the police.
    
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    April 30, 2017 1:54pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Rachael, in the case of what is called date rape and the are no marks on either party how could any reasonable jury convict?
      
      If am was on a jury it is not my job to think who is more likely to be telling the truth. I may think the complainant is more credible than the accused but if their is a reasonable doubt that a rape occurred I but come back with a verdict of not guilty.
      
      That is the basis of our legal system. Labour’s idea of saying the man must he had consent is another reason the will not lead the next government.
      
      What has Labour had to say about the Afghan paedophile? 9 year olds cannot vote and they do not want to offend Muslims.
      
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      April 30, 2017 4:41pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Rachael, I wonder what Ms Poto would think of this video about the treatment of Muslim women?
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn2Hn85zMag
      
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      April 30, 2017 5:10pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      and I am also not a fan of shifting the burden of proof, but we know that rape occurs and we also now that no-one (usually men) in their right mind is going to admit to it.
      Burglars don’t tend to confess either even if found with the goods, and the police don’t take their word for it.
      
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      April 30, 2017 7:19pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    What I find interesting about these cases is that the same people who are always screaming the loudest about miscarriages of justice like certain lawyers and rights advocates are some of the same people who when it comes to rape cases would gladly send some guy to jail at a whim just because of their ideological leanings or belief that all rape complainants are victims because the system is against them.
    
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    April 30, 2017 2:08pm
DifferentPerspective

It’s OK when the Left do it

Best blog post in NZ today – just for you Stephie and Milky.
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April 30, 2017 11:16am
Happychappy

DP/ Gold,Silver and Bronze.
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April 30, 2017 11:57am
cmm

Canadians have similar photo id gun licenses to us.

However there are exceptions for Muslims etc who do not want to show their face for religious reasons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn2Hn85zMag

Does anyone know if we have those exceptions here? I don’t see them mentioned in the NZ police website etc. I sure hope not.
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April 30, 2017 11:58am
Jack5

An interesting view on immigration from Liam Dann in the Hooerald today.

However, he gets it wrong when he says that immigration policy of the last decade is not sustainable: ” It is the fault of politicians and voters.”

Politicians yes, but voters, no. When were they consulted? When was immigration policy in levels and sources a widely debated issue in NZ let alone one that was voted on. What say did voters have?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11846099
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April 30, 2017 11:59am
Fletch

Ted Cruz has an idea for funding the border wall that Trump wants to build. Use the $15 billion in drug assets seized from Mexican drug lord El Chapo. It makes sense using the funds gained from drug trafficking to stop illegal immigration and more drugs. Cruz even named his bill “Ensuring Lawful Collection of Hidden Assets to Provide Order”, or ELCHAPO. Brilliant.

They probably won’t do it though. It makes too much sense.
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April 30, 2017 12:22pm
- cha
  
  It makes too much sense.
  
  Yeah, financing a political stunt by purloining the seized assets that most US LEO’s use to supplement their operating costs is a great idea.
  
  Go right ahead and make the bad hombre’s days , Ted.
  
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  April 30, 2017 12:43pm
Reid

A very informative doco on what Turkey did to Aleppo in terms of stealing its industrial machinery and destroying infrastructure.

They had non-stop 24/7 truck convoys running from Aleppo to Turkey for two years between 2012-3.

Not to mention all the human viciousness they imported to Syria from their support of ISIS and the “moderates.”

The evil the West have done to Syria matches any of the evil any nation has suffered in any war in any period. I estimate it will take around ten years for the full history of this evil to become known in the West. By then the sheeple will have learned from the mouths of the Syrian people themselves that people-hate-Assad meme was always total bullshit. They will have learned through Wikileaks the plans to facilitate a regime change and who dreamed them up.

And what then, I wonder. Will they pretend they were only following orders?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCOVHGLPtL4
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April 30, 2017 12:40pm
- Ross12
  
  Thanks Reid. Really good doco. I hope you are right about the truth coming out and I agree that if it happens it will be in a longer time frame but I’m not going hold my breath.
  
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  April 30, 2017 5:06pm
cha

This prick asked people if they were democrat or republican, then attacked non republicans with a machete.

Will he be charged with terrorism?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2017/04/28/machete-wielding-assailant-asked-about-political-affiliation-before-campus-attack-witness-says/
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April 30, 2017 12:45pm
- SteveRemmington
  
  I’m surprised anyone got injured. Who the hell would be stupid enough to admit voting for Hillary?
  
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  April 30, 2017 1:00pm
Reid

What do terrorists want?

Generally speaking, ideas are like plants and animals. Over time, they evolve, things change – we keep what works and throw away what doesn’t. Humans don’t have tails. Dolphins don’t have feet. Moths without camouflage get eaten. Methods and techniques are perfected, and accepted as “the way things are done”.

If you want to move something efficiently, you need wheels. If you want to lift something heavy, you use levers and pulleys. We make knives out of steel because it’s hard and can take an edge. We make clothes out of wool because its warm. Nobody makes teapots out of chocolate.

…and yet terrorists routinely use tools that are not fit for purpose.

As part of examination of the terrorist narrative, it’s time we asked ourselves – what exactly is the goal of “terrorism”?

https://off-guardian.org/2017/04/27/endgame-comparing-results-and-intentions-in-the-terrorism-narrative/
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April 30, 2017 1:03pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  What ISIS Really Wants. – Graeme Wood, The Atlantic, (March 2015.)
  
  IS Eschatology
  
  “After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second-most-revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory.”
  
  JESUS!
  
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  April 30, 2017 1:35pm
  - BeeSting
    
    The Australian FRUIT CAKE
    
    Did you know HE ONCE
    OPERATED A GARAGE
    Mosque within 3km of Flemington
    Race Course????????
    
    HE is IN PRISON.
    
    Where if anyone has ANY SENSE He will REMAIN.
    
    His Trial is in September.
    
    Him and his Friends
    DO NOT STAND FOR THE JUDGE?
    
    I think that makes them Foreign Military
    Operatives? So if the Australian Government
    has any sense.
    
    IT WILL APPLY MILITARY LAW.
    To his Case. To the Full.
    
    Treason and Spying still has the Death Penalty
    so check that.
    
    NEXT…..
    
    NEXT….
    Treason and Spying still has the Death Penalty
    
    NEXT
    
    Treason and Spying still has the Death Penalty
    
    NEXT
    Treason and Spying still has the Death Penalty
    
    NEXT
    
    Time NZ and AUSTRALIA
    Stopped
    
    PUSSY FOOTING AROUND
    
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    April 30, 2017 6:09pm
    - mikenmild
      
      The death penalty, for all crimes, was abolished in NZ and Australia many years ago.
      Ask your nurse if you are allowed to browse Wikipedia to keep up to date.
      
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      April 30, 2017 6:23pm
Viking2

“The owner of three restaurants, a motel and massage business says she will have to pass the cost on to customers. Seriously. So, how did she acquire so many businesses? One would guess by making a profit by paying low wages. This owner is one of many trying to turn New Zealand into a Third World country.

“We know there are huge rorts in the hospitality industry.”
– See more at: http://newsie.co.nz/news/26166-nz-first-pay-fair-wages-or-do-business-elsewhere.html#sthash.FTnZO2kC.dpuf

http://newsie.co.nz/news/26166-nz-first-pay-fair-wages-or-do-business-elsewhere.html
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April 30, 2017 1:22pm
- Happychappy
  
  Well who would have thought that the Winston First Party would have the same policy on wages as the Labour Party.
  
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  April 30, 2017 1:53pm
Reid

There are Netflix category codes which you can just type into the browser’s address bar and it unlocks thousands of hidden movies. Here’s what the codes are.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/on-demand/0/netflix-secret-codes-unlock-thousands-hidden-movie-genres/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw
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April 30, 2017 1:23pm
Stars And Stripes

130 supermarket trolleys missing from New World Opotiki
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/92049850/130-supermarket-trolleys-missing-from-new-world-opotiki
” New World Opotiki is appealing for the return of 130 supermarket trolleys, even offering an amnesty.
Bring one back and there won’t be any consequences, owner-operator Jimmy Heal said”.

Just go down to the state house area and you will find most of them abandoned in the front yards of the shacks and the rest in the local park.
Oddly enough New World usually would not have this problem as the beneficiaries and other bums who wheel the trolleys home are shopping at Pak n Save but being a one supermarket town I suppose they get them instead complete with their shop lifting habits.
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April 30, 2017 1:36pm
- jcuk
  
  In the Dunedin Gardens New World they have a collection of older trolleys for you to take your goods home in and then collect them….. obviously the Opotiki guy is behind the times 🙂
  Perhaps not a student oriented shop 🙂
  
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  April 30, 2017 2:28pm
- mikenmild
  
  Some supermarkets pay people to collect and return trolleys.
  
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  April 30, 2017 3:09pm
  - Fletch
    
    When my folks went to the Netherlands, they had to pay to use a trolley which was refunded when they took it back when they finished shopping.
    
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    April 30, 2017 3:29pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    In Japan, the supermarket would pay a senior citizen minimum wage to watch the supermarket exits and report anyone leaving with a trolley. (BTW, Japanese supermarket trolleys are nothing like the behemoths in NZ.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MdNsJZBPgI
    
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    April 30, 2017 4:41pm
- Southern Raider
  
  They are really good as good cages in a hangi
  
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  April 30, 2017 5:12pm
cha

Turkey and Sultan Recep Tayyip Erdogan have got the pip.

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Turkey on April 29 blocked all access inside the country to the online encyclopedia Wikipedia, the communications agency said.

Turkey’s Information and Communication Technologies Authority (BTK) said it had implemented the ban on wikipedia.org, without making clear the reason for the move.

Turkish media said that the ban was imposed because Wikipedia had failed to remove content promoting terror and also linking Turkey with terror groups.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/wikipedia-blocked-across-turkey.aspx?pageID=238&nID=112556&NewsCatID=341

I think this is the entry they’re objecting to.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-sponsored_terrorism#Turkey
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April 30, 2017 2:14pm
Don the Kiwi

What amazing irony – a group of Islamic Terrorists killed by wild pigs. 😆

“Well, it’s official. Everyone is sick and tired of ISIS terrorists… even Mother Nature.
The jihadists had seized the town of Hawija back in 2014, and some anti-Isis tribesmen decided they’d fight back. According to the London Times, “Hawija, home to more than 150,000 largely Sunni Arabs, is located east of the road from Baghdad to Mosul. It is one of only three strongholds over which Isis has complete control in Iraq, alongside Qaim and Tal Afar.”
On Sunday, the militants decided to send a message to anyone else thinking of leaving — they went into Hawija and brutally murdered 25 people. Then, the jihadists decided to pull off a surprise attack against the tribesmen, who had formed a brigade and hidden in the mountains. The jihadists set up an ambush about 55 miles southwest of Kirkuk by hiding in dense reeds.
“The area is dense with reeds, which are good for hiding in,” said the chief of the local Ubaid tribe, Sheikh Anwar al-Assi.

Guess who else happened to think that the dense reeds near a corn fields were a great place to hang out? A herd of wild boar. The eight terrorists who were hiding in the brush must’ve spooked the boar, who absolutely went on the attack. They mauled three militants to death and injured five others.
Maybe the swine were sick and tired of being considered unclean, since Allah forbids the consumption of pork in the text of the Qur’aan [al-Baqarah 2:173]. “He has forbidden you only the Maytah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine…” Or maybe they consider Muslims unclean. In any case, when news of the boar’s dispensation of justice reached America, some Texans offered to ship as many feral hogs as needed to wipe out the rest of ISIS.”
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April 30, 2017 2:23pm
- mikenmild
  
  There was a whole Kiwiblog thread on this, Don, but thanks for bringing it up again.
  
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  April 30, 2017 3:01pm
  - RalphT
    
    Indeed. But while an oldie, still a goodie and well worth repeating.
    
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    April 30, 2017 4:06pm
    - mikenmild
      
      It was yesterday. Some people have short-term memory issues, I guess.
      
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      April 30, 2017 5:12pm
- Viking2
  
  Aussie has a few hundred thousand of the buggers as well.
  They could be trained to sniff out Mussies. Their sense of smell is bloody good. As good or better than a dogs.
  
  Wonder how they would travel on a clandestine sheep ship to let go at a town near the local mosque.
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi0.wp.com%2Fcalsportsmanmag.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F03%2Fangryboars.jpg%3Fresize%3D620%252C372&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcalsportsmanmag.com%2Fwild-pigs-pick-your-shot-carefully%2F&docid=NEPVyp1nEulvBM&tbnid=ls0EMiRgJiGRvM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiA8LHBycvTAhWBnJQKHfDhBAI4yAEQMwhdKFswWw..i&w=620&h=372&bih=701&biw=1525&q=mad%20pigs&ved=0ahUKEwiA8LHBycvTAhWBnJQKHfDhBAI4yAEQMwhdKFswWw&iact=mrc&uact=8
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2Fh-ra-HuGTQQ%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dh-ra-HuGTQQ&docid=H9IoHJDRhOsi9M&tbnid=VhrGQjVrjFkoaM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiG8ZOnycvTAhWHo5QKHV0sAl4QMwiQASgyMDI..i&w=1280&h=720&bih=701&biw=1525&q=mad%20pigs&ved=0ahUKEwiG8ZOnycvTAhWHo5QKHV0sAl4QMwiQASgyMDI&iact=mrc&uact=8
  
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  April 30, 2017 6:40pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Good for finding truffles.
    Vodafone tells us they make good pets.
    
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    April 30, 2017 6:48pm
Captain Mainwaring

Sue Moroney pulls the pin.
Yes, the Labour trougher who has failed to win an electorate seat how many times, is pulling out because she’s been told her list position won’t get her back in.
Bugger, suppose she’ll have to live off the income from her renta-houses.
What a Labour thing to do, following in the she-beast’s footsteps.
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April 30, 2017 3:19pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/92061647/labour-mp-sue-moroney-to-step-down-at-2017-election
  
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  April 30, 2017 3:22pm
  - sooty
    
    She can’t have a list seat, Andy needs it!
    
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    April 30, 2017 5:03pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Very perceptive of you sooty.
      
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      April 30, 2017 8:06pm
- Happychappy
  
  Well after all the Maori MP’s took there name of a safe list position it shows you that the Puff and Wind of Moroney no longer makes the grade to be a Labour MP. I would bet there will be a few others that won’t have a safety net to assure them a return to Parliament after the September Election.
  
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  April 30, 2017 3:37pm
mikenmild

When did Lotto put the prices up?
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April 30, 2017 3:23pm
- cha
  
  First week of April.
  
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  April 30, 2017 3:30pm
  - sooty
    
    April fools day!
    
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    April 30, 2017 5:05pm
- cha
  
  Assuming their faith would shield them from any deportation malarkey these dopey fuckers voted almost unanimously for Trump on his pro-life pro-Christian promises.
  
  The charter flight left on a Wednesday with eight Iraqis on board. By the following evening, the large Iraqi immigrant community in this Detroit suburb was roiled with rumors about why, with news of the departure morphing as phone calls spun into horror. Some people were talking again about whether they should go into hiding.
  
  The flight on April 19, it turns out, was the result of a Trump administration policy that could lead to the deportation of thousands of Iraqis back to a war-torn country many haven’t seen in decades. In Detroit’s large Iraqi community, the policy shift has sown panic and confusion. In the suburb of Sterling Heights, home to tens of thousands of Chaldean Catholics who are members of Iraq’s ancient Christian minority, there also is a deep sense of irony.
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/a-charter-flight-left-the-us-carrying-8-iraqis-a-community-wonders-who-will-be-next/2017/04/28/a4ce9418-293c-11e7-b605-33413c691853_story.html?tid=sm_fb
  
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  April 30, 2017 3:53pm
  - mikenmild
    
    ‘Dopey fuck’ is the accepted term for any non-millionaire Trump voter…
    
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    April 30, 2017 3:56pm
    - cha
      
      $30K tories, too.
      
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      April 30, 2017 4:01pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Imagine that! A Leftist insulting the electorate – that has worked so well over the past 9 years in NZ.
      
      And wow – that “Deplorables” shot from Hillary! Well that will go down in US electoral history as the point when Trump’s victory was guaranteed.
      
      Love your work for us milky – keep it up!
      
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      April 30, 2017 6:47pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh, you think Trump will achieve something for those working-class, rust-belt voters? That’s so cute.
        
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        April 30, 2017 6:51pm
Gulag1917

Washington Plans to Nuke Russia and China

“.. both written documents and changes in US war doctrine that indicate that Washington is preparing a preemptive nuclear attack on Russia and China. More recently, I have shown that Washington’s demonization of Russia and President Putin, the incessant lies about Russian deeds and intentions, and the refusal of Washington to cooperate with Russia on any issue have convinced the Russian government that Washington is preparing the Western populations for an attack on Russia. It is obvious that China has come to the same conclusion.

It is extremely dangerous to all of mankind for Washington to convince two nuclear powers that Washington is preparing a preemptive nuclear strike against them. It is impossible to imagine a more reckless and irresponsible act. Yet this is precisely what Washington has done.”
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/04/27/washington-plans-nuke-russia-china/
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April 30, 2017 3:44pm
- Reid
  
  Yes. And the sheeple seem quite content to bleat happily in their bliss and content, utterly unaware of the multipe calamities currently unfolding all around them, in their environment, in their economies and in their future security.
  
  A bag of hammers, sadly and apparently, is of Nobel Physics Award class, compared to the sheeple.
  
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  April 30, 2017 4:01pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops, Reid:
    
    I Googled the word “sheeple” to see who used it first.
    RationalWiki started its definition this way:
    
    Sheeple is a portmanteau of the words “sheep” and “people” used mainly by political cranks …
    
    Shoot ’em down, Sheepleherder!
    
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sheeple
    
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    April 30, 2017 4:04pm
    - mikenmild
      
      RationalWiki is a great resource for quickly checking a lot of the bullshit found on the blogosphere.
      
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      April 30, 2017 4:17pm
    - fernglas
      
      “Reid” may be a portmanteau of “retard” and “idiot”, too, but the onanistic symbolism apparent in the Jack5 soubriquet requires no Google explanation. Let me hasten to add that the anagram of my user name, “False grin” is only spoiled because “I” am/is not in it.
      
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      April 30, 2017 4:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        Fernglas, so you see symbols for masturbation all around you?
        
        Wow! Kiwiblog as a psychoanalyst’s couch.
        
        Try sexual intercourse right away. Plenty of partners available in this liberal age.
        
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        April 30, 2017 8:17pm
Jack5

Islam’s treatment of women … Ayaan Hirsi Ali spells out what female genital mutilation means:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/28/ayaan-hirsi-ali-female-genital-mutilation-and-what-were-really-talking-about-beneath-weasel-words-genital-cutting.html
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April 30, 2017 4:01pm
- cha
  
  Yeah, terrible.
  /
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIWlYRc0g6E
  
  https://theconversation.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-fgm-in-victorian-london-38327
  
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  April 30, 2017 4:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Relevance?
    Let me guess. Seeing the name Ayaan Ali ‘triggered’ you into a pointless response.
    Poor snowflake ❄️
    
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    April 30, 2017 8:14pm
Stars And Stripes

Egg Prices To Rise Due To New Animal Welfare Code
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/91919248/the-new-fowl-standard-what-exactly-it-means-for-the-egg-industry
“A rise in the price of eggs is the cost of improving life for layer hens as the industry gears up for a new animal welfare code.
Battery cages will be banned by December 2022 in favour of larger colony cages, or barn and free-range rearing.
According to a MAF report, farms would have to finance additional buildings and equipment for colony cages equating to $660,000 for small farms to $8.5m for large farms. Preliminary estimates indicate a collective cost to the nation’s 42 cage egg farmers of up to $150m.
MAF estimates some farmers will quit the industry causing a decrease in production and consumption of 10 per cent to 13 per cent and price increases of a similar amount”.

Great so everyone will now have to pay more for eggs just to make some people feel all warm and fuzzy that they are “making a difference”.
Yeah well I reckon they should all have their kumbaya session while the rest who don’t give a toss get on cooking their 100% guaranteed battery hen eggs with the 100% guaranteed sow crate bacon.
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April 30, 2017 4:10pm
- mikenmild
  
  Perhaps if we abolished all of these cumbersome animal welfare standards a whole range of your food would become cheaper.
  Encouraging animal testing might reduce the cost of your cosmetics and medicines too.
  Eliminating WoFs would surely make your motoring cheaper.
  Imagine how cheap your air travel could be if airlines were not required to meet irksome safety standards.
  Abolishing the minimum wage might knock a few cents off your next bucket of KFC.
  So many ways your life could be made cheaper.
  
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  April 30, 2017 4:22pm
  - dad4justice
    
    So we can expect black market eggs before the deranged gummint make kiwiland smokefree in 2025. Oh well might as well get the chickens to fertilize the paddocks of tobacco I will be growing. More money to be made than growing pot.
    
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    April 30, 2017 4:29pm
    - mikenmild
      
      How much money do you make form growing your pot, D4J? Asking for a friend.
      
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      April 30, 2017 6:59pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Is your ‘friend’ your mother Norma?
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:02pm
      - mikenmild
        
        No, my mother’s name is not Norma. However did you get that idea? Was it some bad prescription medication?
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:08pm
      - dad4justice
        
        This song is about you mikeyloon
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLvnYwvJMKE
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:10pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Do you have mommy issues, D4J? Go on, you can tell me, I won’t mock you (much).
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:31pm
      - dad4justice
        
        You are one very unhinged unit mikeyloon are you the twin of big bruv?
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:36pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I could be a twin, or possibly have multiple personalities. How may D4Js fit in one closet?
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:45pm
      - Jack5
        
        Two Milkies? A pair of tits? 😛
        
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        April 30, 2017 8:23pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Whole lot of strawmen there MM as WOF’s and aviation regulations are about safety which is totally different from the concept of animal welfare which is nothing to do with safety but all about the mind medicine of feeling good about yourself when you go shopping.
    This adds nothing to the product I am getting except making some activist bed wetter types reach orgasm while reading the SAFE newsletter.
    
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    April 30, 2017 4:32pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Okay, so it is just animal welfare standards you want to abolish.
      
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      April 30, 2017 4:51pm
Jack5

Someone was asking on General Debate recently for comments about computers they might buy.

Here’s an article on the latest models out. Some of these will be at the top end of the market, but heh, if you want a Rolls computer. ( I seem there is a Chrome Book, too.)

https://www.wired.com/2017/04/the-best-laptops/?mbid=nl_42917_p3&CNDID=27594376
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April 30, 2017 4:41pm
DifferentPerspective

Huge Blow to National’s Tim McIndoe

This is awful news for one of National’s rising stars, Sue Moroney is not standing again.

Poor Mr McIndoe has only a few months now to form a plan on how to win a seat in a General Election (the key Hamilton West electorate). He’s never really had to campaign in the past as he’s had the luxury of standing against Labour’s vote-losing machine Sue Moroney (aka the Deficitor) – who has managed stunningly to increase the majority of everyone she has stood against.

Mr McIndoe is said to be shattered at this time as he was intending having to buy one election hoarding to secure his seat and now has to cancel the month long holiday he’d planned for when Parliament rises.

Mr McIndoe’s interests are right in line with current National party norms as he:
– has an imaginary friend and is active on his imaginary friends community extortion activities
– is an ex teacher
– is also an arts luvvie
and has been described as “indistinguishable from all the other loony lefties in the National party”.

Everyone of course wishes Ms Moroney had reached this decision sometime in the previous millenium and certainly before she started troughing in 2005.
[Irony off]
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April 30, 2017 4:48pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  McIndoe might have to do some work this time. The only thing that would enable him to resume his run-up-to-the-election slumbers would be if the little Angry one decided to stand against him.
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:12pm
Reid

Something light for a lazy Sunday: The Holographic Universe

https://vimeo.com/43636689
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April 30, 2017 5:17pm
BeeSting

Time to

MEET YOUR NEW NEIGHBOURS
THE NEW ARSETRALIANS
OF AUSTRALASTAN

http://www.9news.com.au/national/2017/04/30/08/23/son-of-australian-terrorist-khaled-sharrouf-filmed-wearing-suicide-vest

YES FOLKS these people will get OZZIE
Passports before KIWIS

YES
These people will get ALL THE WELFARE
ARSETRAYLIA can THROW AT THEM.

Funded in part
BY HARD WORKING KIWIS

AND YES YES YES
YOUR GOVERNMENT
WILL ALLOW THEM INTO NZ
FROM AUS

LOOK AT THE RAP SHEET OF THIS
FORKEN INBRED RETARD

Former dual-citizen Sharrouf is believed to have since been stripped of his Australian citizenship earlier this year under new anti-terror laws.

Sharrouf previously served three years in jail for the bashing of a police officer during a violent protest in Sydney’s Hyde Park in 2011. He was released in 2012.

Sharrouf also served a four-year sentence for his involvement in the 2004 Pendennis terrorist conspiracy and was released in 2009.

LET OUT OF AUSTRALIA
TO KILL AND BEHEAD
INNOCENT CHRISTIANS
with his Family

HOW QUAINT a FAMILY TRIP
To SYRIA Murdering Raping
Crucifying and Burning people ALIVE.

AND ALL THE KIDDIES
GET TO JOIN IN ON THE FUN

WE ARE YOU ARE
ARSETRAYLIAN

Did you know what the OZ Media
REPORTED on this TODAY

IT IS ALL RELIGIONS
that are the ISSUE

CUCKOO

Where does it go from here?

TALK TO YOUR OVERPAID
POLITICIANS

ABOUT THAT
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April 30, 2017 6:00pm
mikenmild

Chill man. Take your meds, drink some wine or smoke some weed.
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April 30, 2017 6:06pm
- nasska
  
  The religious garbage has bent his brain!
  
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  April 30, 2017 6:32pm
  - mikenmild
    
    He’s hardly unique in that. But he does appear to have specific, unmet, psychiatric needs apart from the run-of-the-mill religious delusions.
    
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    April 30, 2017 6:41pm
    - BeeSting
      
      AND YOU ARE ALL JUST CORRUPT
      LIARS COWARDS AND BACKWARD
      GRADE A BS ARTISTS ON A RIDE BACK
      TO THE STONE AGE AND THE TURD WORLD
      
      All I can Say is the next
      Round of Neighbours is
      
      GOING TO BE GREAT
      
      NZ taxes pays for that
      
      AND IT LOOKS LIKE OZ
      GOT IT’S MONEYS WORTH WHEN IT
      INVESTED HEAVILY IN IN BRED
      PSYCHOPATHS
      
      Figured out why people are Getting the FORK
      OUT OF OZ YET
      
      RETARDS
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIdFzP0TJxc
      
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      April 30, 2017 8:20pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Translation please.
        
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        April 30, 2017 8:24pm
    - GoVege
      
      Trouble is, the nuttier they are, the scareder they are of psychiatrists.
      Doesn’t help that a lot of psychiatrists are nuts too…or corrupt…or just plain useless.
      
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      May 1, 2017 12:29am
  - BeeSting
    
    SING ALONG FRUIT CAKES
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIdFzP0TJxc
    
    Neighbours, Everybody needs good neighbours
    With a little understanding
    You can find the perfect blend
    Neighbours…should be there for one another
    That’s when good neighbours become good friends
    Ooh Neighbours, should be there for one another
    That’s when good neighbours become good friends.1
    
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    April 30, 2017 8:21pm
- BeeSting
  
  I love AUSTRALIAN FAMILY SHOWS
  don’t you FRUIT CAKES
  
  SING ALONG KISSY KISSY
  
  KISSY THE JIHADHI BOTTOM
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwlxeYA1SQI
  
  ‘Home and Away. ‘
  
  You know we belong together,
  You and I forever and ever.
  No matter where you are,
  You’re my guiding star.
  
  And from the very first moment I saw you
  There was such emotion
  I’m walking on air,
  Just to know (Just to know)
  You are there (You are there)
  
  Chorus:
  Hold me in your arms
  Don’t let me go
  I want to stay forever
  Closer each day….
  Home and away…
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:25pm
  - stigie
    
    Are you a good friend of the Wn Fairy..?
    
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    April 30, 2017 8:40pm
    - BeeSting
      
      Speak English you dyslexic retard
      
      THE Wn Fairy..?
      
      Are You taking Whinnie The Pooh
      
      Jesus Christ you sound like Another Tragic Sheep Sodomite I once knew
      trying to speak in Tongues
      and not doing it very well
      
      Only Believers can do that
      
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      April 30, 2017 10:35pm
      - GoVege
        
        It’s not Christian to call people bad names Beesting.
        
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        May 1, 2017 12:25am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Do they have internet at the IDEA houses?
    
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    April 30, 2017 9:21pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Nursey will be along soon with the BIG syringe…
      
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      April 30, 2017 9:23pm
      - BeeSting
        
        Come on Tuitey Fruity don’t be like that
        embrace diversity and the Turd World
        
        ‘Home and Away. ‘
        
        You know we belong together,
        You and I forever and ever.
        No matter where you are,
        You’re my guiding star.
        
        GET WITH THE PROGRAM
        
        You and I forever and ever.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:30pm
    - GoVege
      
      They don’t have religious nutters at Idea.
      Just adults with kids’ brains.
      
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      May 1, 2017 12:23am
Happychappy

I wonder how long it will take for Kiwiblog self appointed mines expert Chuck Bird to voice his opinion on the tape of a robot entering Pike River Mine that has been held by Police since just after the mine Explosion.
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April 30, 2017 6:11pm
sooty

Kim Kardashshian has had her arse enlarged. It now looks like she’s carting around a brick shithouse behind!
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April 30, 2017 6:52pm
- Reid
  
  You should tell stephie about that sooty. If you do, he’ll be able through his astute research to give us up to the minute updates on this important and relevant issue over the course of the next week or so, I’m picking.
  
  The fact they won’t feature Kim herself but rather masses of other “lardo heifers” as brainy Rachel so aptly paraphrased, in order we don’t think the issue is only in Kim and no other, we’ll just have to live with, won’t we.
  
  On second thought, perhaps you shouldn’t tell him, after all.
  
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  April 30, 2017 7:09pm
- BeeSting
  
  No her head is stuck up it
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:15pm
- GoVege
  
  Is she nuts??
  It already looked like it weighs half a ton.
  Must be coming up to 40 poor girl.
  Soon she’ll need someone to follow her with a wheelbarrow.
  BTW. .isn’t she Armenian?
  Maybe someone could get her interested in her cultural heritage as she ages.
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:25pm
Reid

Just saw a great in-depth interview on RT with Hamid Karzai – their World’s Apart series.

RT is an excellent channel, this is why the West decry it so.

You should watch it if you don’t already. I mean, even if you don’t think it’s going to add value, why not give it a try? You will find if you do, it does.
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April 30, 2017 7:01pm
- mikenmild
  
  Any other viewing recommendations? Perhaps a reading list, too? Anything to help out us poor sheeple.
  
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  April 30, 2017 7:03pm
  - EAD
    
    any other recommendations
    
    Al Jazeera surprisingly one of the best and most balanced news sites…..
    
    You should start with Gerard Menuhin’s excellent book Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil
    
    https://books.google.co.nz/books/about/Tell_the_Truth_and_Shame_the_Devil.html?id=zrXuvQAACAAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en
    
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    April 30, 2017 7:14pm
    - Reid
      
      Upticked for the book, not the channel. Runs from Qatar. Part of the Axis of Evil. Lots of Yazhidi Christian children in Qatari brothels and harems.
      
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      April 30, 2017 7:22pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Al Jazeera is good, but books that appeal to a bullshitting Nazi have little appeal for me.
      
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      April 30, 2017 7:29pm
      - Reid
        
        So you haven’t read it mm?
        
        Yet you seem to imagine you know what it says.
        
        How extraordinary.
        
        Is this how you make all your decisions, or just when you’re judging unimportant topics like murder and evil?
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:49pm
      - BeeSting
        
        Al Jazeera
        
        IS MOSTLY BS
        
        The Article on Maori in PRISONS was FANTASY
        
        http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2016/05/maori-zealand-prisons-160525094450239.html
        
        MORE MAORI ARE IN NZ PRISONS
        
        BECAUSE THEY DO MORE
        CRIME? Strange that
        
        BUT DO NOT LET REALITY GET IN THE WAY
        
        WHEN THEY DO LESS CRIME
        
        THERE WILL BE LESS IN PRISON
        
        Any way that was ANTI NZ Propaganda
        to start a JIHAD DRIVE WITH NZ
        GANGS
        
        Which should WELL AND TRULY be
        Underway by now?
        
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        April 30, 2017 8:30pm
      - GoVege
        
        Thanks for the link Beesting.
        I agree….Maori will keep on filling our prisons as long as many Maori parents teach them violence and theft.
        Plenty of other NZers steal of course but most are well aware they are doing something wrong, whereas many Maori kids are told by their own mum or dad to steal.
        It’s tragic…for the kids.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:33pm
      - BeeSting
        
        I have many Maori Nephews and Friends.
        
        They Nearly All Have University Degrees
        REAL ONES.
        
        So many Run Businesses look after their
        WHANAU.
        
        KEEP THE FAITH and Carry on.
        
        Many are not dumb enough
        TO FALL FOR THIS MARXIST
        F U C K I NG BULL SH*T
        
        YOU ALL PUSH
        
        ARE YOU F U C K I N G LISTENING
        
        E A D
        
        Extra A R SE HOLE and DICK HEAD
        
        You Gutless Neofascist
        
        PIECE OF WHITE DOG SH*T
        
        My Family Spoke TE REO
        IN THIS TOWN FROM DAY ONE
        
        There was a Genuine ChristianMission
        to bring all the People
        a better way to Live.
        
        Now you are intent on IMPORTING PEOPLE.
        
        Who Practice Beheading and Cannibalism.
        and are intent on converting your existing Criminals to WORSE.
        
        The LORD Cannot be mocked
        YOU WILL REAP WHAT YOU SOW,
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:54pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Google tells me that Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil is the moving story of Michael Brown’s mother.
      Black Lives Matter.
      Good on you, EAD and Reid. I didn’t take your for social justice warriors, but perhaps you are capable of learning after all.
      https://www.amazon.com/Tell-Truth-Shame-Devil-Michael/dp/1942872526
      
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      April 30, 2017 7:50pm
      - Reid
        
        No that’s a meme they introduced to fool simple people mm.
        
        Appears you fell straight into it.
        
        How surprising.
        
        Wasn’t that embarressing.
        
        We won’t tell anyone, mm.
        
        Bet seriously, educate yourself. Everyone notices.
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:58pm
      - mikenmild
        
        There’s another book? What truths does it tell? Care to give me a precis?
        
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        April 30, 2017 8:08pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh, I get it now – it’s holocaust denial, but written by a Jew so it’s all ok.
        Terrific!
        
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        April 30, 2017 8:10pm
      - Reid
        
        No it’s not about Holocaust Denial at all mm. In any way.
        
        But since you haven’t read it, of course you don’t know that, do you.
        
        How funny.
        
        As-in, peculiar.
        
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        April 30, 2017 8:22pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Seeing I’m not going to read it, how about you give me a summary?
        
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        April 30, 2017 8:25pm
      - Reid
        
        You haven’t read it but you claim to know it’s about holocaust denial?
        
        How extraordinary.
        
        Careful mm. People may think you’re going mental if you keep doing that.
        
        I agree that if you do, then none of us will notice, but even so. For your family, at least…
        
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        April 30, 2017 9:05pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Well, how would you know, since you haven’t ‘made my mind up about the Holocaust’?
        About the only thing in your tiny mind you seem uncertain about.
        
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        April 30, 2017 9:12pm
      - BeeSting
        
        Have you ever considered Moving to Australia
        and starting up a Snake Dancing Academy
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0IRXwsXYxs
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cwBVcsWYJd8&t=24s
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:59pm
    - Tauhei Notts
      
      Al Jazeera had a Rewind programme about our country’s down trodden people. What gave the programme some credibility was that The Treaty did not rate a mention.
      
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      April 30, 2017 7:52pm
      - GoVege
        
        Are you saying they didn’t place all the blame for their shocking stats on the evil colonists?
        Wish I’d seen it.
        
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        April 30, 2017 9:28pm
      - GoVege
        
        Just read the AL Jazeera article.
        It pinpoints the basic problems, such as fatherless boys and broken homes, but as usual doesn’t dare venture into the problems OF CULTURE that cause broken homes and fatherless boys.
        I.e. #1: Sexist males who are raised to believe it is their RIGHT to brutally abuse their partners and impregnate as many females as they please.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:14pm
      - GoVege
        
        #2: Stupid attitudes to contraception, encouraged by Maori “leaders” like Tariana Turia who constantly mouth platitudes like “every child is a gift from God” when it’s pretty obvious that kids born to 13 to 17 year olds or to a troubled mother who already had too many kids are NOT going to have the kind of life a “gift from God” even remotely deserves.
        
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        April 30, 2017 10:27pm
Rachael Membery

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11847795

Paula Possum Bennett 😉
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April 30, 2017 7:22pm
- nasska
  
  Good on her! 🙂
  
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  April 30, 2017 7:25pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Agreed, I wonder if the Greens approve?
    
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    April 30, 2017 11:32pm
- GoVege
  
  Brutal bi**h!
  And she eats her own pets….raw I’ll bet by the look of her…
  
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  April 30, 2017 9:20pm
- GoVege
  
  I thought that other well-known “Possum” got his nickname because he deliberately AVOIDED running over a possum?
  Not trapped and killed one and then proudly displayed it’s broken little body to the world.
  But then…a lot of Kiwi guys I’ve met are a lot gentler than Kiwi women…
  
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  April 30, 2017 10:37pm
Tauhei Notts

Bar room chat with a bloke who supervises about 40 workers. Occasionally they need to bring in some temps; usually foreign. He ranks the Germans narrowly over the Spanish, a gap to the French, a big gap to the Poms and an even wider gap to the Aussies. I was surprised that the Spicks rated so highly.
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April 30, 2017 7:56pm
nasska

Operator: “Good afternoon, Samaritans.”
Caller: “Hi, I’m calling because the children bully me at school.”
Operator: “Oh dear, what do they do?”
Caller: “They call me names like stinky and hide my pens and draw nasty pictures of me on the boards.”
Operator: “How awful. Have you spoken to your parents about it?”
Caller: “Well, my dad’s dead but I spoke to my mum.”
Operator: “And what did she say?”
Caller: “She said, ‘Grow up and stop being a sook. You’re supposed to be the teacher, for fuck’s sake’.”
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April 30, 2017 8:11pm
- Jack5
  
  Nasska for Minister of Education!
  
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  April 30, 2017 8:21pm
stigie

What does the sign on an out of business brothel say ?

Beat it, we’re closed.
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April 30, 2017 8:48pm
Monique Watson

Oh fuck, that is classic Nasska, Laugh a longtime!
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April 30, 2017 9:37pm
- GoVege
  
  Sorry nasska, but stigie beat you hands down this time… (:
  
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  April 30, 2017 10:16pm
Manolo

Battle of the ultra-progressives:
http://observer.com/2017/04/nancy-pelosi-pro-sanders-primary-challenger-stephen-jaffe/
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May 1, 2017 2:01am
Manolo

With leaders like this…
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-maxine-waters-20170430-htmlstory.html
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