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When Trump said he wanted the federal government out of schools did he mean this?

WASHINGTON (AP) ” Students attending private schools in the nation’s capital through a federally funded voucher program are doing worse in math compared to their peers, according to a government study released Thursday.

The findings added fuel to one of the most heated debates in the education community: whether taxpayer money should be used to pay for private schools. Critics jumped on the study to reiterate that vouchers don’t work. Proponents stressed that test scores are not the only way to measure school quality.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11847377

‘Proponents stressed that test scores are not the only way to measure school quality.”

Wonder what the lobbyists said when proposing such federal spending?
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April 29, 2017 8:02am
duggledog

‘But Dame Jenny said the middle class has assets and they should be using those first before they put their hand in the pocket of someone else, such as the state.’

Jenny Shipley. For the love of God.

The state puts its hand in my pocket, to the tune of a fraction less than 50% of my total income annually. Worse, I get to watch them flush at least a third of that hard earned $ straight down the toilet.

Therefore, I feel obliged – and not guilty at all – to take what I can legally get from the State. And, I will continue to do so.

PM Jenny Shipley was the single reason I changed my voting pattern to Labour for the first and only time in my life. It was my (and many others) ‘F*** You’ to a titanic moron. Where do they find these people?
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April 29, 2017 8:02am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  fucking inefficient for the state to hand out money to tax payers. It wastes money in admin. but politicians love it increases their power and lets them buy votes
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:07am
- PhilBest
  
  Jenny Shipley’s whole ideological background, though, is to reduce both government spending AND taxes. I think you misunderstand / misrepresent her. Along with her stated desire to eliminate handouts to middle class people with assets, is the desire to eliminate handouts of all kinds, and wasteful government spending and wasteful churning of money through government; to give people like you tax cuts that would put you ahead on net.
  
  Eliminating the waste and the churn, does create massive gains “on net”, not to mention the elimination of perverse incentives; unfortunately there are people who perceive themselves to be losers under a smaller-government model, who represent an electoral obstacle to reform. Much of this is because of misrepresentation and falsehoods from the Left (and all its culturally dominant organs) about the net benefit and its magnitude.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Shipley would certainly be out of place in the current National Govt. She’s to the right of Act.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:25am
  - PhilBest
    
    In other words, she represents an era when National could have been said to have some principles consistent with its seeming position on the political spectrum.
    
    I have always said that if National had kept her on, she could not possibly have led National to a worse election result than what did happen in 2002 – and sticking to principles and making arguments effectively, would result in victory in the political war. That is, winning elections with a mandate for reform according to the principles you are meant to stand for, rather than winning elections on sufferance from the politically correct establishment (MSM etc) by being an unashamed proxy for the Left’s long program.
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:27am
    - Kimbo
      
      In other words, she represents an era when National could have been said to have some principles consistent with its seeming position on the political spectrum.
      
      Which, considering the 81 year sweep of National Party history, consisted of the two or so years from 1990-92, when Shipley as Minister of Social Welfare cut benefits, Ruth Richardson introduced the Mother of all Budget, and the Employment Contracts Act was passed. Then normal transmission resumed.
      
      Those who talk about National’s “principles” have it wrong. They are pragmatists who unite, and as Kiwis are pragmatists who don’t like division, they reward National with the status of the natural party of Government. Which keeps the likes of former-Labour Party members who are now a bit wiser with age like me happy, and those at the margins like yourself, Philbest, dissatisfied. There is a reason ACT gets 1% of the vote. As per Bob Jones as far back as 1978, and it still rings true:
      
      “I suspect there are few National parliamentarians who are even aware of the party’s constitutional objectives. I have asked many of them including Cabinet Ministers and have yet to find one who can tell me anything about them. The parliamentary National wing has sunk into a middle-ground optional administration oblivious to the party’s historic purposes and ignorant of the dismay of its members…
      In fact National could well replace its present list of constitutional objectives with a single expression of its purpose-‘To seek and retain by whatever means necessary, within the existing democratic system, the political control of New Zealand.’ Possibly a second and shorter objective could be added which would state, ‘To keep the bloody Labour Party out of office.'”
      
      (‘New Zealand the way I want it’)
      
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      April 29, 2017 11:06am
      - PhilBest
        
        The problem is, Kimbo, that the “Long March” and “the ratchet effect” is entirely “towards the Left”. So the slide is inevitable unless there is principled leadership on the Right. John Howard: “winning the argument is more important than winning the election”.
        
        If you accept the status quo, then you are accepting that there are no “unintended consequences” to lefty utopianism and progressivism. “Progress” now means “a transition to rule by progressives” (Theodore Dalrymple).
        
        Things have got far worse since Jones wrote those insightful comments. But he did something about it at the time, didn’t he?
        
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        April 29, 2017 12:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        The “problem” is exaggerated. The “status quo” is continually negotiated in our democratic nation, and I don’t see any tanks rolling down the main street of town as per Prague c1968.
        
        And I fear, Philbest, other than Franco’s Spain or Pinochet’s Chile, you are destined to be disappointed. In New Zealand at any rate. Like your Kiwiblog political opposite, but also Utopian-seeking, Yoza…
        
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        April 29, 2017 1:02pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Rorschach Test, Philbest: Was Nixon visiting China and negotiating detente with the Soviets part of the “Long March”?
        
        Or Eisenhower signing an armistice to stop the Korean War? 😉
        
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        April 29, 2017 1:21pm
      - Viking2
        
        Well of course many pointed out the the Nice Mr Key removed all suggestions of any constitutional things from their website.
        
        Perhaps someone might put them back.
        
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        April 29, 2017 6:53pm
  - Viking2
    
    Act is not to the right. We don’t have a right party in NZ.
    
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    April 29, 2017 6:50pm
- GazzaW
  
  Since when would Shipley know what middle class is?
  
  How many ‘middle class’ subbies lost their livelihoods and assets when Mainzeal went under and yet she has survived – fortune intact. Hypocrite.
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:54am
  - Viking2
    
    Yep. and worse she has no idea at all of the damage the Nats. did when Ruth the All Hat and No Trousers and herself removed $25 of an already pitiful benefit of $125.
    
    They apparently still believe that thousands of people who had no work (unemployment was 12%) ( because of Govt. policy and ineptitude), could survive on $100 a week. They couldn’t and thousands for the next 20 years voted with their feet. Aussie supported them when our piss poor pollies had no idea what made the world go round.
    Of course Bolger was their leader for a lot of that time and history shows that he had no idea either.
    
    The fact that removing this amount from benefits caused thousands of businesses to close doesn’t seem to have penetrated any of their consciousness either. For that is what happened and seemingly the fact that it happened again under Shipley’s watch in her capacity as a company director doesn’t seem to have bothered her either. Shipley can make all the excuses she like about that debacle but the fact remains she had a responsibility and failed those people just as she did earlier.
    
    I am always somewhat suspicious of retreads who for some reason or other pop back up in the limelight so am left wondering just what this is about. There always seems to be an ulterior motive. Last week we had Bolger telling us that neo liberalism hasn’t worked, now Shipley telling us we need more of it.
    Will next week bring us Ruth telling us we all need to sell out to the Chinese or some such?
    Is there any connection to anything USA side? What is happening with the Clinton trail?
    Shipley all about Shipley.
    
    Bolger and Shipleys governments were responsible for the poor performance of the NZ economy for near on 20 years.
    
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    April 29, 2017 7:09pm
virtualmark

100 days of making America great again!

The wall is being built (um, maybe)
The Mexicans will pay for it (um, no)
The Muslims aren’t allowed in (um, no, pesky Constitution)
Obamacare’s been replaced (um, no)
We’re draining the swamp (hell no!)
The US is out of NAFTA (um, no, after advisors used pictures to explain how it would hurt his voters)
And won’t get involved in Syria without Congress’ approval (um, no)
China’s a currency manipulator (um, no again)
NATO’s obsolete (um, no apparently)
Trump’s too busy to golf (awkward!)
And he’s released his tax returns (um, but wait till after the 2018 mid-terms …)
But he’s given himself a big tax cut (well actually that one might come true …)

Turns out this being President thing is easy eh? (um, no, turns out the Orange God King now admits he got that wrong too).

Trumpkins. You’ve. Been. Conned. (you know the parable of the scorpion and the frog? you’re the frog)

#MAGA
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April 29, 2017 8:04am
- All_on_Red
  
  Lol
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , not enough time off for your brain fatigued POTUS to get golf R & ;R ?
    
    LOL
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:19am
- mikenmild
  
  Fun post here:
  http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2017/04/william_henry_harrison_s_first_100_days_vs_trump_s.html
  Who had the better hundred days: Trump or William Henry Harrison (dead after one month in office)?
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:08am
  - PhilBest
    
    Ann Coulter nails it here:
    
    http://humanevents.com/2017/04/26/not-building-the-wall-is-a-government-shutdown/?utm
    
    If Trump doesn’t honour the promises that got him elected, especially The Wall, the Republicans are finished. No-one will ever trust a seeming “anti establishment, swamp-draining” candidacy ever again.
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:23am
    - mikenmild
      
      Perhaps they deserve to be finished for backing such a gigantic fraud?
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:29am
      - PhilBest
        
        Who is “they”? Not the Republican establishment, they were dragged kicking and screaming into “Candidate Trump”, by the Primary Voters.
        
        It shows how mistrusted the Republican establishment is, that the voters gave them the middle finger. A mass return to trust in the Republican establishment is not on the cards, it is now a question of outsiders who claim convincingly enough to be “the one who won’t sell out this time”. Maybe even a third party or independent.
        
        And it needs a whole movement of outsiders, including Congress and Senate candidates. Half the representatives are still good “establishment” loyalists.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:34am
    - PhilBest
      
      For those too busy to read the whole thing from Ann Coulter, here’s some pointed quotes:
      
      “…Although Trump doesn’t need congressional approval for a wall, it was smart for him to demand a vote. Let the Democrats run for re-election on opposing the wall…
      
      “…Republicans are both corrupt and stupid, so it’s hard to tell which one animates their opposition to the wall. But the Democrats are bluffing. They’re trying to get the GOP to fold before they show us their pair of threes…
      
      “…No politician wants to have to explain a vote against the wall. What the Democrats want is for Trump to be stuck explaining why he didn’t build the wall.
      
      Then it will be a bloodbath. Not only Trump, but also the entire GOP, is dead if he doesn’t build a wall. Republicans will be wiped out in the midterms, Democrats will have a 300-seat House majority, and Trump will have to come up with an excuse for why he’s not running for re-election…
      
      “…Do not imagine that a Trump double-cross on the wall will not destroy the Republican Party. Oh, we’ll get them back. No, you won’t. Trump wasn’t a distraction: He was the last chance to save the GOP.
      
      Millions of Americans who hadn’t voted in 30 years came out in 2016 to vote for Trump. If he betrays them, they’ll say, “You see? I told you. They’re all crooks.”
      
      No excuses will work. No fiery denunciations of the courts, the Democrats or La Raza will win them back, even if Trump comes up with demeaning Twitter names for them.
      
      It would be an epic betrayal…
      
      “…He’s the commander in chief! He said he’d build a wall. If he can’t do that, Trump is finished, the Republican Party is finished, and the country is finished.”
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:30am
      - kowtow
        
        “You see? I told you. They’re all crooks.”
        
        Pretty much sums up what is the permanent political elite that is masqueraded to us as our “representatives”.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:40am
      - ztev
        
        Trump did sign an executive order to begin wall construction using existing funds.
        That wont build much more wall- there is substational wall sections now- thats why Anne Coulter is wrong.
        He does need congressional approval to to do more than a token build, as its very expensive.
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/why-trump-cant-simply-build-a-wall-along-the-us-mexico-border-with-an-executive-order/2017/01/25/6b49de32-e319-11e6-ba11-63c4b4fb5a63_story.html
        
        The big problem is the US budget system which allocates money over many years , but spends it year by year.
        it would be tricky just to get money just one year at a time- contracts and such could take some time
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:25am
      - Rodney Randall
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-7VoJEjmcI
        
        Henry Kissinger on Donald Trump
        
        “I’ve been in the oval office now in ten administrations and I have yet to see a president that escapes the fact that he is part of a continuum, and that he cannot reinvent history.”
        
        Perhaps this war criminal has a point? It comes across to me at least, as a veiled threat from the Deep State.
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:10am
    - virtualmark
      
      Well Phil, surely they’ll start building the wall just the second the cheque from Mexico clears?
      
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      April 29, 2017 10:07am
    - virtualmark
      
      Seriously though Phil,
      
      Trump is a Republican president, and Republicans control both houses. There is no impediment to him building a wall. The Republican House & Senate can approve the budget allocation. Trump can build his wall. And it’s completely valid for him to do that.
      
      But where he will get shown up is that the Mexicans aren’t going to pay for it. It will be American taxpayer that pays for it – either through their taxes or via a tariff that raises the cost of the Mexican-produced goods they buy.
      
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      April 29, 2017 10:16am
      - ztev
        
        You forget about Senate filibuster.
        To avoid having Democrats block his spending bill in Senate, they use something called reconciliation which severely limits what you can include in the spend.
        The idea that the GOP is some sort of unanimous block of votes in Congress is naive. The Obmaacare repeal showed that. Couldnt even get a vote in the house, which is usually much much easier to organise than senate.
        
        In NZ terms its easier to think of Senators and Congressman/woman as more like Peter Dunne. Change this, do something extra for me to get mu vote
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:34am
      - virtualmark
        
        Understood ztev.
        
        But if the wall was a critical policy plank for the Republicans (as Ann Coulter says it is) then they would fall into line to fund what is, in the great US budget scheme of things, a relatively small amount.
        
        That they aren’t falling over themselves to fund it (which we can infer by Trump’s offer to horse-trade with the Dems over wall + Obamacare funding) says that the House Republicans know the wall is a dog of a policy. It’s telling that the Texan Republicans don’t want it – and they have the longest stretch of land border.
        
        But if Trump doesn’t build it then he’s crippled if he wants to run again in 2020 (which personally I don’t believe he will do).
        
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        April 29, 2017 2:42pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hahahahaha- that’s quite good Mikey
    But what have the Democrats achieved in 100 days?
    Not much
    ‘The party is in tatters, reduced to 16 governors, 30 state legislative chambers, a historically low number of state legislative seats, 193 members of the House, 46 senators. The Democrats are leaderless, rudderless, held together only by opposition to Trump. The most popular figure on the left refuses to call himself a Democrat while sitting alongside the newly elected chairman of the Democratic National Committee. That chairman, dirty-talking Tom Perez, represents a professional, technocratic class that supports Wall Street and globalization as long as there is room for multiculturalism and social liberalism.’
    ‘What is the Democratic agenda? What does the party have to offer besides disunity, obstruction, incoherence, obsession, and obliviousness? ‘
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:38am
    - mikenmild
      
      I should have thought that an assessment of the ‘first 100 days’ would typically focus on the president’s achievements in getting his agenda followed.
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:42am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I think the 100 days is a bit pointless. Especially given how the Dems has slow walked all his appointments.(30 hours of assessment for each!- gosh those guys take a lot of breaks too) I think he has only just managed to get the first layer of his Admin appointed (?) Far more relevant will be the 2018 mid terms.
        
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        April 29, 2017 8:53am
      - mikenmild
        
        So why is Spicer and the cheerleaders trying to emphasise what has been achieved so far?
        And blaming the Democrats for Trump’s failings? Please.
        
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        April 29, 2017 8:55am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Because Trump the idiot novice got sucked into stating a 100 day plan! I don’t think he realised how hard they were going to make it for him – and I include the GOP in that!
        Still, he has achieved quite a lot despite all the predictable obstruction.
        And he carries on…
        “And blaming etc”
        The Dems know he can’t govern unless his staff are in place.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:01am
      - itstricky
        
        I think the 100 days is a bit pointless.
        
        You sound a little too much like Trump here.
        
        “100 days? Ridiculous. Sad. What a measure. Media will crucify me regardless. Hey – by the way – did you see my 100 days website over here? …”
        
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        April 29, 2017 12:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All On Red , rudderless, leader less ?
      
      Hello Rich Trumpet irony alert .
      
      LOL
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:27am
      - Jack5
        
        Morning Stephie X.
        
        It was so quiet yesterday on Kiwiblog without you blokes, I thought you might have been deported.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:37am
      - GazzaW
        
        No such luck.
        
        I was hoping that she had earned another spell on the naughty chair. Only a matter of time though.
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:22am
- PhilBest
  
  It’s sad for democracy in the US. First Obama conned everyone on the Left into thinking he was the outside-the-establishment, swamp-draining messiah…
  
  It might be the right’s turn now. There’s still time.
  
  One hidden problem, may be that even a sincere candidate may be getting “got to” by very dark forces once they are elected. I would expect any elected President with as-yet-unrevealed skeletons in their closet, to be putty in the hands of behind-the-scenes string-pullers who know too much about everyone.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:11am
  - Ross12
    
    Phil
    I think Trump’s biggest error was he believed the Republicans were better organised and prepared in both the House and the Senate, than they actually are.
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:10am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ross12 , pathetic lame duck excuses , excuses and more excuses .
      
      A lttle knowledge of constitutional niceties can go a long . long way.
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:25am
      - Ross12
        
        I’m not making an excuse, you idiot. I’m just expressing a point of view.
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:45am
    - ztev
      
      Trumps real problem is he didnt have a landslide, GOP lost seats in Senate and House this election.
      When you bring in the numbers on your coattails- as the yanks call it- you have some cred.
      
      The other side is the Republicans have only been united on NO to Obama for the past 8 years- some will just carry on with No to Trump.
      best thing though is Trump will absolutely definitely not run for President again.
      Maybe he will walk away after 2 years of this !
      
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      April 29, 2017 10:39am
    - PhilBest
      
      Or would get with the program as a matter of principle, rather than continue with the establishment status quo….
      
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      April 29, 2017 12:34pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Stick to facts and not left-wing progressive Democrat Clinton-hugging MSM propagandist bull.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:26am
  - mikenmild
    
    Well, there’s a sober and objective analysis.
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:56am
- holysheet
  
  Just to give balance to your negativity on Trumps achievements
  Here is the full list as published by CNN. (Clinton Network News) Who would have thought they would publish this list
  Cutting regulations
  • Energy Independence Executive Order
  • Revocation Of Federal Contracting Executive Orders
  • Reexamination Of CAFE Standards
  • Review Of Waters Of The United States Rule
  • Creation Of Regulatory Task Forces
  • Eliminating Stream Protection Rule
  • Eliminating Regulations On Extraction Companies
  • One-In-Two-Out Regulation Reform
  • Minimizing Affordable Care Act
  Job creation
  • Buy American, Hire American Pipeline
  • Dakota Access Pipeline
  • U.S. Material In Pipeline Construction
  • Partnering With Private Sector
  Trade
  • Withdrawal From The Trans-Pacific Partnership
  • Trade Enforcement
  • Comprehensive Reports On The Causes Of U.S. Trade Deficits
  Ethics
  • Federal Hiring Freeze
  • New Ethics Commitments On Political Appointees
  National Security
  • Strike On Syrian Airfield
  • Travel Restrictions On Select Countries
  • New Iran Sanctions
  • Defense Spending In Budget
  • F-35 Cost Savings
  Immigration
  • Immigration Enforcement, Including Constructing A Wall
  • Sanctuary Cities Funding
  • New Hiring To Enforce Immigration
  • Prioritizing Criminal Immigration Enforcement And Hiring More Immigration Judges
  Public safety
  • Commission On Opioid Crisis
  • Protecting Law Enforcement Officers Crime
  • Tackling International Cartels
  Helping women and minorities
  • HBCU Initiative
  • Canada-United States Council For The Advancement Of Women Entrepreneurs
  • Promoting Women In Entrepreneurship Act
  • Women And Space Exploration
  Supreme Court
  • Nominating And Confirming Gorsuch
  
  The first 100 days of the Trump administration have certainly made an impact.
  Both politicians and international leaders would likely agree both Washington and the world have felt a disruptive force.
  Protests and demonstrations against Trump and his agenda met the presidency from day one. A massive women’s march paralysed the US capital on day two.
  Though a political outsider, Trump’s cabinet raised eyebrows, as former military generals, Wall Street insiders and Republican party loyalists took key positions in the new Administration.
  Controversies quickly ensued over a series of executive orders and actions.
  The first targeted Obamacare, but it was an executive order on immigration that sparked chaos at US airports and lawsuits. The initial orders were stopped by federal judges.
  The president forged new relationships with world leaders, meeting with several both in the White House and at the President’s Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida.
  International relations took a focus after a chemical weapons attack in Syria prompted Trump to respond by firing dozens of missiles at a Syrian airfield.
  In Afghanistan, the US for the first time deployed the largest non-nuclear bomb in its arsenal on an ISIS target.
  
  Tensions between the US and North Korea are reaching boiling point
  In Asia, tensions with North Korea neared a boiling point. The new president bucking against the international status quo in dealing with the reclusive country.
  The administration found itself the target of investigations both in Congress and in Capitol Hill over what role Russia might have played in influencing the campaign.
  One casualty of the scrutiny was National Security Advisor Mike Flynn, who was asked to resign as questions lingered over his relationship with Russian officials.
  He wasn’t the only staff member who made headlines, as several staff members made headlines over controversial public statements, or reports of power struggles surfaced as strong personalities settled into their new roles in the new White House.
  And while the President was unable to pass healthcare reform in congress, he did chalk-up one success as his nominee for the Supreme Court, Neil Gorsuch, gained Senate confirmation.
  The President employed his own unique style in engaging with constituents.
  Constantly criticising the media, the new president preferred social media to reach out to the public.
  The White House also organised campaign style rallies, an unusual practice in a non-election year.
  The administration will face head-winds as it looks to attempt healthcare reform again, and pass spending legislation in which it hopes to fund a border wall with Mexico.
  A blistering pace. An usual tone. A president learning on the job in his first 100 days in office.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:27am
  - mikenmild
    
    I’m tempted to fisk that list of bullshit, but what’s the point? Everyone knows that the hardcore Trumpistas are immune to evidence and logic.
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:36am
    - All_on_Red
      
      I was tempted to Fisk Virtualmarks list of ignorance too. But also, what is the point?
      Far too much TDS there. Much easier to just laugh at him.
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , well said like a diehard Trumpist,
        
        “You can spend your whole life building a wall of facts between you and anything real.”
        
        ― Chuck Palahniuk
        
        LOL
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:32am
      - virtualmark
        
        To the extent that my list was drawn directly from Trump’s own campaign promises then, yes, it is a list of ignorance …
        
        You’re welcome to try and fisk it but for every point in there I have Trump’s own words to come back to you with.
        
        The man is a corrupt buffoon who is too small to be President.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:36am
      - ztev
        
        Flynns forced resignation is seen as an ‘achievement ?
        You must be joking.
        
        All new Presidents suspend a lot of stuff their predecessor ( from another party) did
        
        But how much legislation has Trump signed ( that is substantive)
        eg
        “The first piece of legislation signed by Obama was the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act on January 29, which promoted fair pay regardless of gender, race, or age” thats 9 days after taking office.
        Trump ? NONE
        
        All his bills signed are fluff like this
        ‘The president signed H.R. 609 on March 13. The bill designates a Department of Veterans Affairs healthcare center in Butler County, Pennsylvania the “Abie Abraham VA Clinic.”
        and this
        “Trump also signed H.R. 255 on February 28, called the Promoting Women In Entrepreneurship Act. The law authorizes the National Science Foundation to support entrepreneurial programs for women.”
        
        National Science Foundation Whos ever heard of it , I thought these sort of things were going to be abolished.
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:50am
    - Ross12
      
      It’s from CNN , MM so it must be true.
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:07am
      - itstricky
        
        Funny how CNN gets used only when suitable content arises. Otherwise they’re fake, illegitimate, biased hacks.
        
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        April 29, 2017 12:31pm
      - Ross12
        
        I should have put ” sarc. ” at the end just for you itstricky
        
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        April 29, 2017 1:05pm
      - itstricky
        
        Yes, I got that, I was referring to the 20 uptickers, which, given the breakdown of personalities on KB, has a high probability of containing many MSM deniers.
        
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        April 29, 2017 3:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      ” Trumpistas are immune to evidence and logic”
      
      Understatement of the day !
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:28am
  - doggone7
    
    Yep, you got it, he’s the bestest President since, um, Barack Obama!
    
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    April 29, 2017 10:38am
  - MH
    
    And managed to turn around the Carl Vincent battlegroup before it surrounded Nth Karaka.
    
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    April 29, 2017 11:33am
- G152
  
  Sour grapes that Billary didn’t get in eh…
  It’s still President Trump and he’s doing what he can
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:50am
- dime
  
  is hillary the president?
  
  nope.
  
  success. happy with that
  
  love the trump. 8 years 🙂
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:31am
  - Swifty
    
    Winning.
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:43am
  - virtualmark
    
    dime,
    
    Once Trump was selected as the Republican candidate then America was f*$ked no matter who became President.
    
    #Winning
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:54am
- Fletch
  
  On the plus side –
  * Neil Gorsuch has been appointed to the Supreme Court.
  * The TPPA is gone.
  * The stock market keeps topping record highs
  * Illegal immigration is down 40%
  * Trump approved the Dakota Access Pipeline and the Keystone Pipelines
  * Trump cut funding for international abortions
  * Trump returned the power to make decisions on “transgender bathrooms” to the states, reversing Obama’s guidelines.
  * Trump just signed an executive order than stops the ban on offshore oil drilling.
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:10am
- Scott
  
  Virtualmark – You used to be a sensible guy but Trump derangement syndrome is strong in this one.
  There will be a wall, tenders for it are already out. Illegal immigration is already way down.
  The Mexicans will pay for it, the mechanism is not decided yet.
  Muslim immigration is being dealt with. The executive orders are being overturned but the vetting procedures are being put in place and that’s the more important thing.
  The freedom caucus has agreed to a revised Healthcare bill and it will go before Congress shortly.
  The people Trump has appointed are top notch and already advances are being made. Education is one area – look for big things from Betsy Vos.
  Trump is renegotiating Nafta.
  
  I could go on and on. Your points are all wrong. Try not to fall into the same trap as other formerly worthwhile commentators on this blog who let their butt hurt and dislike of Trump lead them into making fools of themselves.
  
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  April 29, 2017 1:59pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Scott. I am a sensible guy. That’s why I can see the Orange Emperor has no clothes. It’s you Trumpkins that’ve drunk the Kool-Aid.
    
    I agree that a wall will be built. Or rather, that segments of wall will be built … but land acquisition issues alone will ensure no contiguous wall is completed within Trump’s term(s).
    
    And I don’t see the Mexicans paying for it. That bus has departed.
    
    The revised healthcare bill will go nowhere because moderate Republicans know that slashing healthcare on their watch will see them lose too much ground in 2018.
    
    Some of Trump’s appointments are top-notch. For example Mattis, Cohn & Mnuchin. Others (Flynn, Spicer, Vos and I suspect Tillerson) will prove to be complete drop-kicks unworthy of office.
    
    Any renegotiation of NAFTA will be inconsequential changes grudgingly allowed by Canada and Mexico only in order for Trump to save face (which realpolitik will force them to allow). The USA benefits from NAFTA (and free-trade more broadly) to an enormous extent. It’s just that in this modern world the benefits accrue to Wall Street, Silicon Valley & Hollywood rather than to the Rust Belt. The honest truth is that the Rust Belt stopped making products the world desired in about 1970. Caterpillar & Harley Davidson are some of the few exceptions.
    
    I could go on and on. Try not to fall into the same trap as the other Trumpkin commentators on this blog who begin drinking before lunch, leading them into making fools of themselves.
    
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    April 29, 2017 2:53pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Can I add … I absolutely agree that any sovereign country has the right to secure its borders and to control who can visit and immigrate.
    
    So I totally respect Trump’s right to build a wall and to stop “Muslim immigration”. Those were his policies and he won an election on them.
    
    But. He has to respect the Constitution. And the reality is he cannot force another sovereign country to pay for a domestic policy (short of war).
    
    So I have no problem with what he wants to do. Just how he thinks he’s going to do it.
    
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    April 29, 2017 2:55pm
- cmm
  
  By various estimates, illegal immigration costs USA about $100bn a year.
  
  If it costs $1000 per metre to build, the 1600km or so wall would cost $16bn.
  
  A $16bn cost to save $100bn per year is a no-brainer.
  
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  April 29, 2017 2:04pm
  - mikenmild
    
    That might have some relevance if the wall stopped all illegal immigration.
    So securing the borders might make some sense. Building that wall might not, while making Mexico pay for it is obvious nonsense.
    
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    April 29, 2017 2:35pm
    - cmm
      
      That’s as silly as saying shops should not put in security because they will never stop ALL shoplifting.
      
      That $16bn cost would be pretty much a once-off plus, say, $2 bn for ongoing maintenance and running costs over and above what they were already spending . Over 10 years that would amortize to approx $4bn a year.
      
      If they manage to stop just 5% then they’re winning.
      
      Just the message that they’re getting tougher (and the wall is a physical demonstration of that) appears to have already reduced illegals by 40% already. http://www.dailywire.com/news/14270/40-fewer-illegal-immigrants-crossed-mexico-us-hank-berrien
      
      As for Mexico paying, well there are many ways to do that. They don’t necessarily have to pay upfront.
      
      For example many illegal Mexicans are on welfare and are sending money back to Mexico. Just tightening up that money flow is pretty much equivalent to Mexico paying.
      
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      April 29, 2017 3:21pm
    - cmm
      
      I see the local baby farmer (lives two blocks away) has made her latest investment.
      
      Her oldest is over 20 and she has a a string of offspring spread out through the years with the youngest now just two or so months old.
      
      Her oldest two have sprogged and the third (14 or 15) seems to be itching to get into the game, so it’s well on the way to becoming a family business.
      
      She’s got grandchildren older than her youngest child – all class.
      
      Oh well, we get what we pay for!
      
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      April 29, 2017 3:38pm
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        Sorry that was not supposed to end up[ as a reply.
        
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        April 29, 2017 3:39pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  The wall is being built (um, maybe) – it will be
  The Mexicans will pay for it (um, no)it hasn’t been built yet and the clawback can take many forms – Mexico will get less aid, NAFTA charity will cease, so many other options to make the dependent wetbacks pay for not doing their job on border control
  The Muslims aren’t allowed in (um, no, pesky Constitution) um no – dishonest activist Obama judges overstepping their boundaries interfering with by extending consitutional rights to those non-entitled foreigners
  Obamacare’s been replaced (um, no)
  We’re draining the swamp (hell no!) the lobbyists are still bitching so I think this is WIP and will be achieved
  The US is out of NAFTA (um, no, after advisors used pictures to explain how it would hurt his voters) early days yet – only a moron would think this would happen without details being worked through
  And won’t get involved in Syria without Congress’ approval (um, no) fake news – that was never a Trump promise
  China’s a currency manipulator (um, no again) never a Trump promise – more alternate facts – but China is looking over the border harder at N Korea now so some progress has been made
  NATO’s obsolete (um, no apparently) more alternate facts – he never said that – he wanted NATO members to pay their fair share – they’ve had initial warnings
  Trump’s too busy to golf (awkward!) more alternate facts- you are running out of snowflakery now
  And he’s released his tax returns (um, but wait till after the 2018 mid-terms …) another alternate fact – never a requirement for being the Pres a distraction from the brain of the infinitely evil Soros
  But he’s given himself a big tax cut (well actually that one might come true …) more alternate snowflake facts – tax reform was on the agenda – only a cretin would think that the US tax system isn’t in need of reform – all part of draining the swamp
  
  Seriously – let’s talk about the Democrats
  
  1. Still weeping about Hillary not getting “her turn”
  2. Still want to murder babies and still want the govt to pay for it
  3. Still preaching anti-semitism at every opportunity
  4. Still bought by Saudi money
  5. Still don’t believe in the rule of law
  6. Still don’t believe in democracy (unless they win)
  7. Still supporting pedophilia
  8. Still fomenting violence and civil unrest
  9. Democrat female leaders still being found out for being unconscionable corrupt and dishonest
  10. Still in favour of subjugating women’s rights by introducing Islam to the US
  11. Still in favour of anti-gay rights through the introduction of Islamists to the US
  12. US national security resources to spy on a political opponent
  13. Still sheltered by the corrupt and dishonest media
  
  Have a look at Scott Adam’s blog so you can understand why the world just refuses to fit with your system of beliefs – you are hallucinating!
  
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  April 29, 2017 2:40pm
  - virtualmark
    
    The wall is being built (um, maybe) – it will be
    
    No. Bits of wall will be built, because its such a critical policy for Trump. But Obama’s experience of building a wall says there’s no way Trump can acquire the land in his timeframes. Eminent domain takes years to grind through the courts.
    
    And even the Texas Republicans – who you’d think stand to benefit the most from the wall – don’t want it.
    
    The Mexicans will pay for it (um, no)it hasn’t been built yet and the clawback can take many forms – Mexico will get less aid, NAFTA charity will cease, so many other options to make the dependent wetbacks pay for not doing their job on border control
    
    Learn some economics. Ultimately the levers that Trump has over Mexico just end up raising the price of goods in the US. So ultimately US citizens will be paying for the wall, just perhaps indirectly. And that’s how it should be – they want a wall they pay for the wall.
    
    The Muslims aren’t allowed in (um, no, pesky Constitution) um no – dishonest activist Obama judges overstepping their boundaries interfering with by extending consitutional rights to those non-entitled foreigners
    
    Well then Trump should easily be able to carry the day in the Supreme Court then huh? That he hasn’t taken any action there suggests his legal advisors have told him the judges are right.
    
    We’re draining the swamp (hell no!) the lobbyists are still bitching so I think this is WIP and will be achieved
    
    You need to read more. I recommend ProPublica’s recent articles on Trump granting special waivers to lobbyists. Or, another example, Julie Kirchner being appointed Ombudsman for immigration. Or Craig Philips being appointed to head up the Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac reform (an unbelievable appointment).
    
    #SwampTheDrain
    
    Really, I could go on and on. But I realise this is religious belief to you and you are immune to logical factual analysis.
    
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    April 29, 2017 3:06pm
  - virtualmark
    
    And note … I am not a Democrat and I’m very happy that Hillary didn’t win.
    
    But that doesn’t mean that I believe Trump is a good or worthy president.
    
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    April 29, 2017 3:08pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Just noticed these.
    
    China’s a currency manipulator (um, no again) never a Trump promise – more alternate facts – but China is looking over the border harder at N Korea now so some progress has been made
    
    Trump tweeted about China being a currency manipulator over 30 times during the election campaign. On top of publicly saying it in several of his campaign meetings. He is on film multiple times saying this.
    
    NATO’s obsolete (um, no apparently) more alternate facts – he never said that – he wanted NATO members to pay their fair share – they’ve had initial warnings.
    
    Trump on 25 March 2016 … “N.A.T.O. is obsolete”
    
    Really, you guys are delusional. I mean that absolutely straight up. If you cannot acknowledge simple provable facts then you are as delusional as … Trump. Oh well, birds of a feather I guess.
    
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    April 29, 2017 3:16pm
- Biscuit
  
  Virtualmark, it happens every time there’s a change in administration…
  
  Let’s go back over the last six Presidents…
  
  Obama – ‘Yes, We Can’
  Erm, no, we couldn’t…
  
  Dubya – ‘Governor Bush’s income tax cuts will benefit all Americans, but they are especially focused on low and moderate income families’
  Millionaires received an average tax cut of $123,000. Those in the bottom quintile of earners received average tax cuts of $27. Those in the second to bottom quintile received an average cut of $317.
  
  Clinton – ‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman’
  The best ever example of an impeachable sin (waving the Presidential willy at an intern’s tonsils) glossed over by a technically-true lie
  
  George W Bush – ‘No new taxes’
  New taxes
  
  Reagan – In his speech to a joint session of Congress shortly after becoming president, Reagan presented his “plan”—a reasonably detailed discussion of proposed tax cuts and spending cuts, pursuant to his vision of smaller government.
  Almost none of these changes ever happened. The tax cuts went through in 1981 but were partially repealed in 1982. In his “plan,” Reagan promised to cut two Cabinet departments (Energy and Education). Instead he added one (Veterans Affairs, now the government’s second-largest).
  
  Carter – ‘I will never lie to you’
  I also won’t do much else
  
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  April 29, 2017 3:48pm
All_on_Red

Don’t think much will change in France under Macron
‘President Macron will need backing from others in the National Assembly. That will mean a lot of old-fashioned horse-trading. The outlines of such an alliance are: social democrats and centrists plus the liberal wing of the Republicans under former prime minister Alain Juppé. But apart from requiring a lot of minding, coalitions tend not to be resolute in offering the kind of radical changes in economic and social policy Macron has offered,’
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/04/whats-the-matter-with-europes-new-emperor/
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April 29, 2017 8:10am
- SPC
  
  Sort of depends on the parliamentary elections which follow.
  
  How well En Marche does, etc.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:12am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yes, but they have no members of Parliament and no National organisation. Try reading the article…
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:16am
    - SPC
      
      And it still depends on how well En Marche does – can it gather those who once voted for Emmanuel’s boyfriend’s liberal party (between the Gaullists and Socialists) – which En Marche is modelled on?
      
      As the article notes there will be those returned to parliament from these two party’s who would be natural allies and even possible future candidates for En Marche. But a workable majority for reform is dependent on En Marche getting a mandate for the programme, not just for keeping Le Pen out of the Presidential palace.
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:31am
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’m not so sure Macron will reform anything. I’d be delighted to be wrong. The Country needs reform.
        He looks too much like an Elitist stooge pretending to be something he isn’t. His potential coalition partners have shown no appetite for reform either. So not sure why his Election would make them change!
        Le Pen’s no good either. Not great for La Belle France.
        
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        April 29, 2017 8:46am
      - PhilBest
        
        James Delingpole regards Macron as a Manchurian Candidate for continued status quo globalism, political correctness, etc etc.
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/24/delingpole-manchurian-candidate-macron-frances-obama/
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:37am
- Paulus
  
  Remember Mrs Macron is the School Teacher.
  I have heard that she is a very powerful force in her husband’s election.
  Like Hillary once, then it reversed and didn’t work.
  Michelle Obama was also a great driving force.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:17am
  - PhilBest
    
    Does anyone else besides me think Mrs Macron resembles an older version of Mariah Carey?
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:31am
- 4077th
  
  1 more camel jockey with evil intent and Le Pen will be a shoe in.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:50am
  - ztev
    
    So the polls say that ?
    Unlike US , its total votes that select the winner.
    hahahaha
    
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    April 29, 2017 10:53am
    - 4077th
      
      Before the wogs started mowing people down in nightclubs, murdering journalists and killing policemen she was nowhere..Now she is in the running for president. Like I said, one more bad wog with murder on his/her mind and she will win be it good or bad for France.
      
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      April 29, 2017 10:59am
Chuck Bird

I think Bill English and senior National MPs will be discussing this article by a very astute political journalist. Of course Kimbo thinks he is not only more intelligent than Winston but also more than Fran O’Sullivan, Bill English and other senior National MPs.

Fran O’Sullivan: PM needs to think about kingmaker

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11847306
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April 29, 2017 8:11am
- SPC
  
  Don’t we all?
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:14am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I certainly do not. I certainly do not think I am more intelligent and competent than the people I just named. However, that does not mean I cannot disagree with any of them on a number of issues.
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:26am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      “I certainly do not think I am more intelligent and competent than the people I just named”
      
      Finally something we agree on, the question then becomes how intelligent competent the people on your list are, and the answer to that is…. not very!
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:35am
- Happychappy
  
  Chuck before you rant about not posting under my name like you and calling people gutless who cares what Fran O’Sullivan says she is just like most of the media plugging for a lost cause. People like you that have selective memories forget what shit he has done in NZ politics and how he behaved, he is a decisive figure that likes it all his own way and will do what he always does and looks after Winston First. I find it disgusting that a person like you that was allowed to immigrate here, ok fifty years ago wants to stop others having the same privilege and shows what a hypocrite you are.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:03am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    So you do not believe in democracy. David Farrar believes unlike other blogs that people have a right to their opinion.
    
    I would like to see any of you show up to a Peter’s rally and try heckling him. No one would bash you. He would just make you feel like a fool.
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:29am
    - SPC
      
      Who is Peter?
      
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      April 29, 2017 11:28am
    - Happychappy
      
      I actually did not think it was your opinion as it was a cut, copy and paste of Frans opinion.
      
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      April 29, 2017 1:13pm
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    Happychappy
    
    it’s different when white guys are the immigrants…
    
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    April 29, 2017 10:43am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Its OK it they are convicted peadphiles as long as they will not vote NZF.
      
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      April 29, 2017 11:18am
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        Inappropriate much?
        
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        April 30, 2017 7:03am
- Kimbo
  
  …Of course Kimbo thinks he is not only more intelligent than Winston but also more than Fran O’Sullivan, Bill English and other senior National MPs.
  
  I don’t know about them, but in my more lucid moments I would like to think I’m maybe more intelligent than the group of considered constitutional scholars who congregate with you on a Friday night at the Delta, Chuck Bird. Only problem is there seems to be sufficient numbers of you to swamp my vote, and deliver Winston Peters the balance of power. Such is beauty of democracy.
  
  One a bright note. If, as seems likely on present polling trends that happens, the reneging about leading the recovery mission into the Pike River Mine Drift will be amusing. Peters was caught out on “No”. My prediction? This time it will be “Yes”.
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:19am
Paulus

Update from Edgecombe
555 Houses inspected
257 White stickered -not major damage
282 Yellow – repairable (although owners are questioning)
16 Red – Condemned.
Can see some lessons learned from Christchurch as some of their legal minds from there are now at the party.
Can foresee some shit fights against EQC and Insurers again.
But an sure Bill will open your cheque book as it is a National seat and election year.
It is reported that there is a large number of uninsured people there.
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April 29, 2017 8:22am
- PhilBest
  
  One of the things with insurance, is probably that people are less bothered with it in little remote towns where the property is worth diddly squat anyway.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:33am
  - SPC
    
    I would imagine insurance is all the more of value in areas where there is flood risk, the problem for some would have been the rising cost (its going up faster than rates).
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:46am
  - Paulus
    
    Until they are damaged then they are worth a lot of money.
    But the total amounts which can be paid out now are what the “owners” decided – nothing else.
    No Replacement at any cost now.
    
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    April 29, 2017 1:35pm
    - Viking2
      
      IMHO EBOP, who built and are responsible for the stop banks should be fronting up here. The concrete wall that failed was a known defect in the wall as it leaked in the last flood.
      
      The problem though is that will mean the ratepayers ,who prop up these useless twats, will again be responsible for fronting the money.
      
      EBOP never used to collect rates from ratepayers as they are funded from Quayside Holdings which is the holding company that owns 50% of Port of Tauranga shares. That wasn’t enough for the greedy pricks so they now suck the ratepayer tit to the tune of $300 odd per household.
      
      I think we can look forward to some court action around this.
      
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      April 29, 2017 7:56pm
- jgw739
  
  Edgecumbe? 😉
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:28am
- Rich Prick
  
  Can foresee some shit fights against EQC and Insurers
  
  And the regional council.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:53am
JasonJohns

Your taxpayer money is paying for a rewrite of NZ history. Everyone at Kiwiblog knows Moriori were a separate black-skinned people who were invaded and wiped out by Maori…but now some alleged Moriori have mysteriously reappeared and are helping the state tell a new story…can anyone point towards a reliable account of the true Moriori history? It must be in a book that was published before historians were reprogrammed and PC madness tok over in the 80s…probably efforts are being made to burn/repress the old tru book…
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4789044/Rewriting-the-history-of-Moriori
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- mikenmild
  
  I try to avoid feeding trolls, but what a load of garbage.
  The Moriori were the same people who first settled New Zealand in the 14th century and became Maori. A group of these people settled on the Chatham Islands and developed a separate culture over time. These basic facts have been well known for about one hundred years, but various myths about pre-European settlement in New Zealand remain amazingly prevalent.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:33am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Sorry mikenmild but I have learned from Kiwiblog that Moriori were a separate race who arrived before Maori then got wiped out by the invaders. So now I am alerting the Kiwiblog community to the fact that this history is being rewritten with taxpayer money. Also how can there be Moriori living today when they were all wiped out by Maoris ages ago. Someone needs to find the old books with the true history that the PC establishment has been trying to hide since the 1980s. Hence I am asking for a reference from some of the experts on the true history of NZ here.
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:37am
    - mikenmild
      
      Learning from Kiwiblog is not a thing…
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:43am
      - 4077th
        
        That’s quite obvious in your case!
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:54am
      - starboard
        
        a good read..
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/91946128/lower-hutt-councillor-takes-issue-with-religious-karakia-at-committee-meeting
        
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        April 29, 2017 6:14pm
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      If you have Moriori bones, you should be able to sequence the DNA and compare it with contemporary Maori bone DNA.
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:35am
      - G152
        
        They have done this.
        And Maoriori and Maori are from the same origin.
        Some people should read up on the science
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:58am
    - Ross12
      
      Jason
      I don’t see what you are moaning about. Updating school texts happens all the time with or without taxpayer money. The only issue i have with what has happened is why it has taken so long.
      The article doesn’t say there are Moriori alive today.
      Tommy Solomon shown in the picture is believed by all the Chatham Islanders to be the last “full blooded” Moriori. Maui Solomon mentioned in the piece is a lawyer “who knows his stuff ” , is passionate about his heritage and he would make absolutely sure what is now written in the Journals is right.
      
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      April 29, 2017 11:03am
      - Paulus
        
        The DNA for all of Maori is from a tribe in SW Taiwan – the Gao Shan Tzu.
        Even Winston accepts that.
        
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        April 29, 2017 1:38pm
  - PhilBest
    
    Yeah, they all fought each other anyway, and early colonial historianship assumed that some of the “other people” that Maori legends describe, (including proud accounts of their elimination) were other “races”, maybe even “indigenous”.
    
    But they were all still fighting each other anyway in the 1800’s, so it is easy to accept that the Morioris were just earlier canoe-loads wiped out by later-arriving canoe-loads.
    
    It is also possible that people other than “Polynesians from Hawaiiki” arrived by canoe at different times. Polynesians are not the only island-dwelling dark-skinned races in the Pacific. So there may have been others that Polynesian arrivals recognised as “different”.
    
    However, this history tends to support “NZ as Terra Nullius”. It was no-one’s “country” until Kuini Wikitoria, at the voluntary choice of the enlightened Chiefs of the time. Where the disgraceful historical revision has come in, regards the Treaty and its interpretation. And it is only since around 2000 that the truth and the facts have come to deem one a “racist” for stating them. Vichy National since 2008 are responsible for a lot, even Helen Clark wasn’t going to bend over like they have.
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:43am
    - mikenmild
      
      What a load of bullshit.
      Clearly, you have never read a book.
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:44am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Muriel Newman is one of the few NZ politicians brave enough to raise the Moriori issue. She has said that kids should be studying the ancient negroid Moriori in schools as well as finding out about the Chinese and Celts who came here long ago. http://www.nzcpr.com/test-post-307/
        
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        April 29, 2017 8:51am
      - mikenmild
        
        Muriel Newman is as much of an authority on New Zealand history as she is on quantum mechanics. She should stick to living off the smell of an oily rag.
        
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        April 29, 2017 8:59am
      - PhilBest
        
        Hahaha, I would be prepared to bet I am one of the most voracious readers of books, and owner of my own library of them, on Kiwiblog.
        
        That is why I and others like me, are such a problem for the lying, propagandising Left.
        
        By the way, Muriel Newman sells facsimile copies of Sir Apirana Ngata’s book, “The Treaty of Waitangi: An Explanation”.
        
        One of many books the Left want every copy of, burnt. So much for lefties claiming they are pro-knowledge and pro-books.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:42am
      - mikenmild
        
        Got any examples of book-burning? Thought not.
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:33am
      - starboard
        
        yeah and you are such the oracle on everything mm, or so you like to think. You live in a bubble little man.
        
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        April 29, 2017 4:13pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ starboard
        
        ….so in anticipation of mm’s reply, still no examples of book-burning?
        
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        April 29, 2017 4:26pm
      - mikenmild
        
        starboard adds his intellectual heft to the debate…
        
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        April 29, 2017 4:37pm
    - JasonJohns
      
      Thankyou for your comment Phil. Can you disprove mike’s slander and also help me in my research by telling me the old, pre-PC book I should be reading to get the true story of the Moriori and the Maori invasion of NZ?
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:53am
      - mikenmild
        
        Jasion helpfully confirms that he has not read any books on the subject either.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:01am
      - JasonJohns
        
        But mike how can I read books on the subject when they have been removed from libraries by PC authorities and when historians have been reprogrammed and when only very brave people like Muriel Newman speak out. That is why I am trying to recover the old books with the true history of NZ and Moriori…before they are completely destroyed…and that is why I am appealing to the Kiwiblog community for references…
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:04am
      - mikenmild
        
        Which books have been removed from libraries?
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:20am
      - PhilBest
        
        My point is NOT that there was a “legitimate indigenous NZ race wiped out by Maori”, but that both “Moriori” and Maori were merely waves of arrivals by canoe, over centuries, all of whom fought with whoever arrived before them, and fought among each other! Even back in Hawaiiki or whatever other island they came from, they fought each other. All on tribal lines.
        
        I don’t think this history matters, what matters is how NZ at the time of the Treaty, is regarded, and understanding of the motivations of those who signed the Treaty. The idea that “Maori” were a nation with “property” and an “economy” and a “development” path is ABSURD. They signed the Treaty so as to make a huge leap into the future as citizens of the world’s fastest-progressing empire. Imagine New Guinean Highland tribes today voluntarily becoming a US dependency (like Puerto Rico and American Samoa) – what would they “lose”, for Pete’s sake?
        
        I recommend Ian Wishart’s “The Great Divide”.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:52am
      - G152
        
        You could try https://literacyonline.tki.org.nz/content/download/28374/297568/file/Part+4+Number+3+2010+Moriori+A+Story+of+Survival.pdf
        but then that would stuff up your entire premise
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:13am
    - SPC
      
      After founding “canoe” settlement iwi were involved in a survival of the fittest defence of the occupation of their lands, what distinguished the group that went to the Chathams was they wanted no part of that game and thus moved offshore as it were.
      
      Thus developed in isolation from the others, and were easily defeated when marauders came.
      
      Distinctive DNA amongst the Moriori remnant is the only evidence for this group being of a distinctive group origin. Male line Y chromosome DNA would be the most telling, but if the remnant is only maternal Moriori this may not be available to determine one way or another.
      
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      April 29, 2017 8:58am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Thankyou SPC. Can you give me the article or book you got this information about Moriori from. From what I have heard Moriori were negroid/Melanesian and were here long before Maori came and invaded and drove them to the Chathams and also into the high mountains of the North Island.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:06am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Btw SPC the so-called ‘Moriori’ who are popping up now in the Chathams to help the government rewrite history say that they came directly from the tropical islands in the north to the Chathams and weren’t in NZ with Maori at all. Scripted claims by the PC establishment?
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:09am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Real Moriori SPC? How can they exist if they were wiped out? Something’s fishy here. http://www.moriori.co.nz/
        Moriori are the indigenous people of Rekohu/Rangiauria who peopled the islands about 1,000 years ago. Traditions tell us that the founding ancestor of Moriori, Rongomaiwhenua, came from eastern Polynesia and his younger brother Rongomaitere sailed on to Aotea (thought to be Aotearoa). Hence there was a period of voyaging between Aotearoa and Rekohu which explains the hokopapa/whakapapa links between Moriori and mainland Maori tribes but our tuakana (elder line) stems directly from Rongomaiwhenua.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        JasonJohns , history and science tells us that Moriori were ,
        
        1 Polynesian
        2 . Who are believed to have arrived from the mainland in the late 16th century
        3 Isolated from the mainland they were able to developed a distinctive Polynesian culture .
        4. They were not Melanesian or some remanent of an antediluvian culture and civilisation
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:42am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Thank you for your comment. But what I am asking is what book/article/website should I read about the early history of NZ and the waves of settlers and the Morioris being wiped out. I need to access the material that you have used to educate yourself…the material that is being suppressed…
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:59am
      - SPC
        
        Archeological evidence of settlement of the Chathams prior to Maori arrival in Aotearoa is lacking to confirm the canoe direct from east Polynesia to Chathams (1000 years ago) story.
        
        However, if true, it could have resulted in a migration to the mainland before Maori arrived from the Cooks/Atiu (language connection).
        
        DNA wise, Polynesian mitochondrial DNA is B from a Taiwan source, with varying levels of male line Y chromosome DNA. It is this maternal DNA which is uniform in the cultural group. The Y chromosome C is dominant amongst Maori (80%-O10%) (French Polynesia 50%/O40%, Samoa 40%/O 50%). O is the most common in China/Korea/Japan/SE Asia. C is found mostly in SE Asia (some C and K in China), as are M and K. Maori has small amounts of N from north Asia, French Polynesia 5% K, Samoa 5-10% M and K.
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:03am
      - Ross12
        
        Jason
        If you seriously want to learn more about the Moriori why don’t you contact Maui Solomon ( I think he is still based in Wellington –if not anyone on the Chathams would know how to contact him ) , arrange to meet him and have a chat. He won’t give you a load of BS –simply the facts as he knows them.
        
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        April 29, 2017 12:18pm
JasonJohns

France’s Jews and its media continue to persecute the Le Pen campaign just because its leaders are open-minded about history. Now they have forced Le Pen’s deputy to resign because he had revisionist views about the Holocaust. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/28/europe/france-national-front-le-pen/Perhaps France’s Jews are most upset by Le Pen’s promise that they will have to choose between holding Israeli or French citizenship. Under Le Pen, Middle Easterners will have to assimilate or leave.
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April 29, 2017 8:32am
- SPC
  
  You have a point that efforts to have migrants be citizens of France, rather than identify as Moslems who currently live in the French part of the EU, is inconsistent with dual nationality.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:02am
- PhilBest
  
  If that is true, it is a nasty, ugly side to the politics of Nationalism in France. It certainly isn’t the case with UKIP in Britain; Jew-hatred tends to love militant Muslim immigration and global militant Islam with its “Palestinian” obsessions. And the whole thing tends to be a preserve of the multi-culti Left, people like Ken Livingstone and George Galloway.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:22am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Jewish media have also been going after the UKIP, Phil. They don’t like it when the UKIP candidates ask Jewish people to choose between globalism and patriotism. This patriotic candidate was hounded out of his job: http://jewishnews.timesofisrael.com/exclusive-ukip-suspend-candidate-after-outrageous-anti-semitic-slur/
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:35am
    - PhilBest
      
      That makes UKIP honourable. I fail to see why “Jewish media” would support political correctness and lefty multi-culti stuff that sees Jews under attack every day from Muslim immigrants, and Israel under constant threat of betrayal by Western politicians like Murray McCully. It makes far more sense for “Jewish media” to support UKIP, and support a pure, non-anti-Semitic UKIP with electoral chances.
      
      The mainstream media are constantly looking to eliminate effective culture warriors of the Right, like Farage, Bannon, Tommy Robinson, Fjordman, etc by portraying them as “anti Semites”. The left does not actually give a toss about anti Semitism, they love Ken Livingstone and George Galloway and love the “Palestinian” cause; they just want any pretext to eliminate an effective anti-PC enemy.
      
      It seems they got Nick Griffin on that count, and it looks like they could get Marine Le Pen on it too. But the whole thing could be a beat-up; lies and smears are routine from the Left.
      
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      April 29, 2017 10:02am
      - JasonJohns
        
        Yes Phil. Nick Griffin was a patriot whose open-mindedness about WW2 history and belief in racial science was used to smear him as a Nazi. But he is still leading the British National Party so is still there for patriots like you to support.
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:14am
JasonJohns

Israel condemned far-right French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen for saying that her country is not responsible for the deportation of thousands of Jews to death camps in 1942.

“This declaration is contrary to historical truth, as expressed in the statements of successive French presidents who recognized France’s responsibility for the fate of the French Jews who perished in the Holocaust,” Israel’s Foreign Ministry said in a statement issued on Monday, a day after Le Pen made the statement during an interview in Paris for the RTL network and Le Figaro daily newspaper.

The ministry’s statement also said: “This recognition underpins the annual events marking the anniversary of the expulsion of the Jews from France and the study of the Holocaust in the education system, both of which are important elements in the battle against anti-Semitism, which unfortunately is once again raising its head.”
Occidental Observer says – ‘Notice that France, much like the USA, Germany and the UK, has institutionalized self-loathing and historical guilt. Le Pen’s talk about eliminating that was immediately taken as a threat by the globalists.’
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April 29, 2017 8:34am
- SPC
  
  Sure colonial guilt and holocaust guilt have influenced the decision-making of European governments, just as the wars between nations influenced the process to the EU itself to political co-operation and economic union.
  
  In this case, was the Vichy occupation government in a position to make sovereign decisions – the UK was when it signed the White Paper barring Jews from access to Palestine and safety.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:08am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yes, there have been shameful episodes in history, like the Royal Navy towing Jewish “Boat People” back to Nazi Germany in the 1930’s. Of course they were illegal immigrants under the conditions of the time, it was all part of the world’s disgraceful sleepiness about the evil of the new Nazi government in Germany. While Jewish would-be escapees got little sympathy, western politicians like Churchill also got little sympathy, being smeared as “war mongers” etc etc.
    
    Down here in NZ, we did our bit under the Labour government of the day, scrapping our air combat wing in 1937 and also turning away Jews, “because there was a benign strategic environment and no-one had anything to fear from the legitimately elected leadership of Germany”.
    
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    April 29, 2017 10:07am
    - Kimbo
      
      Not so. A flood of Jewish refugees from Germany was admitted to many countries in Europe after it became clear in 1938 what the Nazis were about…but sadly many in countries like France were later over-run as the German empire spread, and they fell into the clutches of the “Final Solution”.
      
      One exception, and made a fuss of then and now for Zionist propaganda purposes was restriction to British Palestine. For good reason – civil order and a potential civil war and to keep faith with the Balfour Declaration that said nothing would be done to prejudice the rights of Arabs – Jewish immigration there was restricted in the late 1930s.
      
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      April 29, 2017 11:26am
Stars And Stripes

From girl to boy and back again: Zahra Cooper reverses decision to become male
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11846904
” A young woman has reversed her decision to become a male in what is believed to be one of the few cases of transgender “detransition” in New Zealand”.

Best laugh I have had in a long time reading this article documenting one persons descent into madness and back.
With tortured individuals like this in abundance in NZ it’s no wonder our psychiatric services can’t cope.
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April 29, 2017 9:08am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If the transgender suicide rate is around 10 times that of the general population (Ref: http://www.vocativ.com/culture/lgbt/transgender-suicide/)
  , then is this is a mental state to be promoted as a viable lifestyle choice by the media?
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:39am
- thedavincimode
  
  Best laugh I have had in a long time reading this article documenting one persons descent into madness and back.
  
  As they say, what goes around, goes around. In the meantime, carry on being a cunt.
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:54am
  - PhilBest
    
    It’s the establishment’s new approach of pandering to mental illusions, that is the problem. Sure these people need sympathy and help, but reinforcing their illusions and expecting society as a whole to participate in a mass charade, is not “help”.
    
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    April 29, 2017 10:10am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    “As they say, what goes around, goes around”.
    
    Well actually I have never heard anyone say that.
    It’s always “what goes around, comes around”.
    If you are going to abuse someone at least get it right.
    
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    April 29, 2017 10:52am
    - thedavincimode
      
      Correct. I’ll plead the lack of the edit function at the time. What are you going to plead? What is it that you find so amusing about someone who clearly has some problems? What sort of tiny minded little cunt do you have to be to take such apparent pleasure from the misfortune of someone whom, by all accounts, hasn’t hurt you or anyone else. Do you just find people who are disabled in some fashion funny? Do you laugh at dwarves, Downes kids, paraplegics as well? Or is it just that you don’t feel threatened by them? Like I said, just carry on being a cunt.
      
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      April 29, 2017 11:53am
      - mikenmild
        
        He laughs at anyone who is not just like him.
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:57am
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Well after reading your reply I have decided you are definitely not a fan of mine so have been added you to the “feels negative about S&S” list which I might add contains some big names on KB.
        Mikenmild on the other hand feigns distaste but deep down he is a dedicated fan.
        
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        April 29, 2017 12:25pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        so have been (sic) added you to the “feels negative about S&S” list which I might add contains some big names on KB.
        
        Oooh errr .. the list ! Looks like you have your own mental health issues so I’ll back off.
        
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        April 29, 2017 1:03pm
- 4077th
  
  She/He used to be undecided but now She/He is not sure.. What a load of tosh. The horrid pimping another window licker in absence of any real journalism.
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:34am
- Fletch
  
  Reminds me of Don Ennis, an ABC News editor who came into work one day as a woman, and told all his employees he wanted to be called dawn. Then 3 months later he came back as a man and claimed he’d had amnesia. A year later he came back as “Dawn” again and was fired.
  
  Many people regret their change, such as Walt Heyer who has a whole website devoted to the subject. He is back to living as a man again (albeit without his manhood).
  
  Here are those stories, and 6 more..
  
  http://www.oddee.com/item_99220.aspx
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:21am
JasonJohns

In summary I am asking the Kiwiblog community to help me answer 2 questions.

1. What are the books and articles that tell the true story of Moriori and early NZ history that have been suppressed since historians went PC in the ’80s? What are they called and where can I find them.

2. Before the PC craze everyone knew Moriori were an extinct race conquered long ago by Maori and eaten. So how come they can now be around in the Chatham Islands and parroting the PC historian line?

Thanks anyone who can help.
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April 29, 2017 9:31am
- stephieboy
  
  Try this one for starters ,
  
  “Moriori: A People Rediscovered “by the late Michael King
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:47am
  - JasonJohns
    
    As other people here have explained stephie, Michael King was a key cog in the machine of PC madness that took over NZ in the 1980s. I want t know about the old books that tell the true history before the PC era. The old books that are so hard to find now.
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:51am
    - stephieboy
      
      JasonJohns , you present evidence and facts that counter Michael King’s “PC Madness” etc
      
      What old books are so hard to find and not in the National and other local libraries ?
      
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      April 29, 2017 9:55am
      - JasonJohns
        
        I don’t know these suppressed books stephie…because they have been suppressed…but I trust the community of independent thinkers at Kiwiblog over the PC establishment. That is why I am trusting them when they say Moriori were a pre-Maori race made extinct by Maori and asking for references.
        
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        April 29, 2017 9:57am
      - stephieboy
        
        JasonJohns, it is beyond dispute the Moriori like the Maori arrived together as one in the 13th Century . Shortly after some of the original migrant groups spread out and one landed in the Chatham Islands There in isolation develped a more distinctive Polynesian culture but not DNA ,
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/79760636/atholl-anderson-where-did-maori-come-from
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:07am
      - ztev
        
        A lot of stuff about ‘origins’ that was believed up till the late 90s has been debunked by DNA research.
        Even many types of birds and mammals that were though were related have been found to be not.
        eg
        Our kiwi is no Aussie: Bird’s origin confirmed by findings
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11259906
        ..is more closely related to the extinct, 2.3m tall elephant bird – a native of Madagascar.
        It used to be thought the closest relative was the Emu
        The Moa closest relative is the South american Tinamous
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tinamou
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:12am
      - MH
        
        try googling it-many transcripts AH Reed etc etc. Go to main Public Libraries…ask
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:56am
    - virtualmark
      
      JasonJohns,
      
      I would say Michael King is the most respected researcher we have (had) on the Moriori. From what I can see the “old books” weren’t based on the same level of actual rigour and research, but rather just wrote down tales and fables.
      
      Sure, you can discount him for non-academic reasons. Just like the Germans tried to discount “Jewish physics”. Won’t make you smarter though. But you will start to sound like Kellyanne Conway’s “alternative facts”.
      
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      April 29, 2017 10:01am
      - JasonJohns
        
        well virtual mark if Michael King is right about Moriori still existing and not being a pre-Maori people…then Kiwiblog commenters are wrong in everything they say about the subject. And I trust people here more than King, who admitted he had a strong pro-Labour bias and was also a globalist.
        
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        April 29, 2017 10:11am
      - itstricky
        
        Sure, we can argue about which books are a true representation of history but your rubbish whack conspiracy about PC book burning in the 80s is garbage.
        
        Read the Wikipedia page. There’s references there to a paper in 1904 or such that describes the similarities between Maori and Moriori. There are papers from the 60s and 70s that hypothesize that that the Maori were not distinct from the Moriori.
        
        That large swaths of people were taught something from an incorrect hypotheses in the 60s, 70s and 80s doesn’t make it true. I would have thought that was obvious. Is the world flat? Is smoking good for you?
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:21am
      - ztev
        
        JJ it was just his views ( based on old research) were formed before DNA showed they werent different at all.
        Still shows outdated views on Te Ara in some areas
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:57am
      - starboard
        
        Wikipedia..*snigger*…
        
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        April 29, 2017 7:15pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Do tell us what you have read about Moriori, starboard.
        
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        April 29, 2017 7:17pm
      - itstricky
        
        Of course the linked papers on the Wikipedia page are from reputable sources but I don’t expect starboard to understand that. Esp. when he’s had a couple of Chang’s.
        
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        April 29, 2017 11:14pm
- Reid
  
  I would google John Ansell, check his articles and access the source footnotes Jason.
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:52am
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    Yeah, Googling a racist is always going to give you ‘the truth’
    
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    April 29, 2017 11:14am
RF

I recently attended a function where Dr. Megan Wood was in attendance. Is she for real ?

A sharp tongued individual who has a very high opinion of herself and a very low opinion of right wingers.

A word of warning Megan. Your health will suffer if you keep piling on the weight. You are becoming grotesque.
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April 29, 2017 9:43am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  One of the nastiest individuals on the nasty side of the Parliament benches. She is a shocker.
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:06am
  - G152
    
    She wants to be the biggest thing in politics ???
    
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    April 29, 2017 11:04am
    - ztev
      
      What about Paula ? Didnt she used to be a sparrow
      
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      April 29, 2017 12:00pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Another example of fuckwittery from our ever-dependable ztev.
        
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        April 29, 2017 1:08pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Ztev, Paula is a glowing example of how National can make even a Westie (apologies to any Westies I antagonise there!) into a stellar politician.
        
        Name me an example of someone on the Labour front bench who could merit even the term ‘politician’ let alone the attribute ‘stellar’…
        
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        April 29, 2017 4:01pm
      - starboard
        
        Parekura Horomia? Now that was f a t
        
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        April 29, 2017 5:01pm
JasonJohns

France’s Jewish organisations continue to attack Le Pen.

Le Pen Hit by Holocaust denial scandal
Reuters

Marine Le Pen’s bid to defy the odds and win the French presidency risked a setback on Friday when her designated stand-in as National Front party leader stood down to defend himself against charges he shares the views of Holocaust deniers.

The abrupt departure of Jean-Francois Jalkh from the National Front (FN) party leadership before he had even taken on the job raised ghosts of the FN’s past and revived a furor sparked by Le Pen’s father when he called the Nazi gas chambers a “detail” of history.

The renewed controversy threatens moves by Le Pen, who expelled her father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, from the party two years ago, to cleanse the FN’s image of xenophobic and anti-semitic associations and make it more palatable to a broader electorate.

At issue are comments attributed to Jalkh in a conversation with a researcher in 2005 about the work of a professor convicted more than once for questioning the scale of Jewish extermination in Nazi gas chambers during World War Two. Also unearthed was a 1991 report that said Jalkh attended a rally held by supporters of Marshal Philippe Petain, French wartime leader and Nazi collaborator, in July of that year.

Le Pen’s father has been convicted of inciting racial hatred for his remarks on the Holocaust, and referred to them himself as recently as 2015.
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April 29, 2017 9:45am
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , Jews get a fair cop from you blamed for anything relating to Marine Le Pen’s decline in appeal.
  
  BTW do you describe your self as a Holocaust denial ?
  
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  April 29, 2017 9:58am
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Stephie I think Le Pen is making it clear she won’t tolerate either Jews or Muslims who won’t assimilate. Jewish groups are upset because she a) says she will ban kosher food and b) says Jews must choose between French and Israelis citizenship. Le Pen is going to make sure Middle Eastern immigrant groups assimilate…or leave.
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April 29, 2017 10:02am
- Southern Raider
  
  So what negative aspects has the Jewish culture brought to France? Lawyers, doctors, scientists, community values, value of education for kids.
  
  When has Kosher food ever been forced on you or anyone else? Jews haven’t taken control of the food chain like Muslims have. Do you know how much food you eat in NZ which I actually Halal and you have no idea?
  
  Go back into your little dark anti Semitic hole until you can actually justify a position with facts
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:49am
  - mikenmild
    
    It is not as though kosher or halal poses any sort of risk to anyone else.
    
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    April 29, 2017 12:00pm
    - GoVege
      
      Apparently they do to the animals.
      
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      April 29, 2017 12:34pm
      - Southern Raider
        
        Not sure about halal but with Kosher meat there is very strict religious rules around only qualified people can do it, knife has to be razor sharp, how to kill the animal the quickest with least distress etc
        
        Under Kosher rules you can’t eat hunted animals because it is likely the animal was caused distress and the death was not quick
        
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        April 29, 2017 12:39pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re Southern Raider’s 12.39 post.
        
        I don’t think it’s because of animal welfare that Jews are not supposed to eat hunted animals. Here is an internet explanation:
        
        However, an animal qualifying as being kosher – hooves and cud – is only the first step, there is then the inspection, proper slaughter, secondary inspection, and kashering of the meat.
        
        Venison is allowable, but only if it is from farmed deer.
        
        I think you are mistaken in assuming hunted animals have a slower death than those butchered in a slaughter house.
        
        You won’t win an argument in NZ by asserting that kosher/halal killing is more humane than our usual means of slaughter.
        
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        April 29, 2017 5:49pm
    - JasonJohns
      
      Sadly a disproportionate number of Jews in France have become let-wing extremists. The Communist Party was full of Jews. Jews were involved in left-wing terror with the Actione Direct group. Seditious and sexually perverted French intellectuals like Jean-Paul Sartre were Jewish. So what Le [en is saying is that the Jews like the Muslims have to behave, police their communities, and assimilate, or else they will be out. These Middle Eastern peoples are after all alien to Europe and are here only as a favour.
      
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      April 29, 2017 10:16pm
  - ztev
    
    How come they turn out so differently when they go from minority to majority ?
    
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    April 29, 2017 12:10pm
  - Jack5
    
    Southern Raider, Marine Le Pen, in regard to halal and kosher food, is reported to have said she will ban halal and Jewish animal slaughter techniques.
    
    Perhaps someone can authoritatively explain what these techniques entail. I understand it means the animals cannot be stunned or made semi-conscious by electrical shock – the practice in most Western slaughter houses.
    
    Additionally, in NZ at least, halal meat is killed by Muslim slaughtermen, who perform some sort of brief Muslim ritual as they kill.
    
    If this is correct, the row over halal and kosher slaughter might not boil down to a battle between, on the one hand, Muslims and Jews, and on the other, politicians of the far right. Muslims and Jews might be up against Western animal rights advocates and animal lovers generally.
    
    You will need to supply your email address to view this link to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency.
    
    http://www.jta.org/2017/04/25/news-opinion/world/marine-le-pen-ban-halal-and-all-ritual-slaughter
    
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    April 29, 2017 5:21pm
    - GoVege
      
      Very good point, Jack.
      Nice to see a candidate for the French leadership challenging aspects of non-western cultures that harm animals as well as humans.
      I’d like to know what goes on in our own country regarding halal produced food.
      (Besides facing Mecca or whateva.)
      
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      April 29, 2017 7:44pm
Hugh Pavletich

Canada …

One Of Canada’s Largest Mortgage Lenders Just Imploded, Here’s What Happened …Betterdwelling com
h/t JG

https://betterdwelling.com/one-canadas-largest-mortgage-lenders-just-imploded-heres-happened/#_

One of Canada’s largest mortgage lenders just imploded, and it may have serious consequences for Toronto real estate. Home Capital Group, a publicly traded company that engages in non-prime (a.k.a. subprime) lending, saw its stock drop over 60% in a single day. The reason? They’re facing a liquidity crunch, as their capital for subprime mortgages dried up very quickly. This could be the start of a broader trend of investors derisking, and it may kill a significant segment of high-leverage buyers.

Home Capital’s Massive Drop … read more via hyperlink above …

https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=home+capital+group+canada&tbm=nws&spf=564
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April 29, 2017 10:05am
- 4077th
  
  Subprime is the key there. lending money to people who have bad credit and cannot afford the payments is a scheme doomed to failure as we have seen before. No way the pinko, flappers in government in Canada would let the poor people be out of a house they cannot afford and should not have in the first place.
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:40am
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  Hugh
  I think they have been bailed out already –by a pension fund.
  
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  April 29, 2017 6:13pm
Hugh Pavletich

New Book: Game of Mates – MacroBusiness Australia

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/04/new-book-game-mates/

By Cameron Murray

My book about the grey corruption Game in Australia has been officially released today. It explains how the Game is played, how much it costs, and what to do about it. In this book you get a much deeper and more comprehensive look at how networks of favouritism form, whether legal or illegal, informed by my own academic research, and that of many others. We also use new economic analysis to show how much the Game costs across some of Australia’s major industries, using new economic analysis. … read more via hyperlink above …
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April 29, 2017 10:06am
- Harriet
  
  Thanks for that — the Pascoe link in it is a very good summary. I live in aussie and hate this level of rorting – it’s corruption right throughout councils continent wide, albeit some are probably doing the right thing like the ATC —- by charging developers for zoning changes. It’s 11 billion dollars…..and that’s before roading …..and then mining….
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:13am
Stars And Stripes

Dougherty’s conviction led to his death – supporters
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/doughertys-conviction-led-to-his-death-supporters/ar-BBAv78s?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=spartandhp
“The journalist who broke the story of David Dougherty, who was wrongfully convicted of rape, says it was the trauma of the case that killed him”.

Sorry but I say that is pure speculation at best and probably outright bullshit at worst.
He had a troubled life even before the false rape conviction and all this just carried on once acquitted and released.
Probably his demise to booze or some other vice was inevitable one way or another.
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April 29, 2017 10:44am
- GoVege
  
  Maybe, Stripes.
  But jail seems to have a very negative impact on many people’s health.
  Didn’t one of those poor dudes in England jailed for the heinous crime of littering a mosque with a few ham sandwiches, die in prison last year?
  
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  April 29, 2017 12:44pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Vege
    He had already been in jail more than once before this event.
    
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    April 29, 2017 1:14pm
    - GoVege
      
      OK. ..but unless he was beating people up, and was a danger to the public, I reckon jail does more harm than good for all of us.
      
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      April 29, 2017 7:35pm
- Longknives
  
  Can’t help but think this is his family and supporters trying to bleed some more cash out of the Taxpayer…
  
  He died of Cancer.
  Jesus we all know someone who has died of Cancer.
  
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  April 29, 2017 4:34pm
Reid

Here’s a very good article on who Macron is. When someone comes out of nowhere with all that convenient background just ready made for the job, you really should be asking: have they been groomed, if so by whom. And the answer is normally found in their background, if you know what to look for.

https://southfront.org/emmanuel-macron-rothschilds-choice-for-president-of-france/
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April 29, 2017 10:58am
Stars And Stripes

Croquet club out in cold after homeless man moves in
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/91987223/athol-turner-was-homeless-until-he-made-a-nelson-croquet-club-shelter-his-new-home
“Turner says it’s circumstances that led him to the croquet club shelter. He has slept rough before and admits it is somewhat of a lifestyle choice. He says he has an affordable place in Brightwater to move to”.

So he is not actually homeless but more just a vagrant who hauls his load of junk from one blighted area to another.
Looking at the photos even if he leaves the croquet shelter looks like it could be a write off as it probably suffers from a flea and vermin infestation by now.
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April 29, 2017 11:30am
- mikenmild
  
  I’ve noticed the odd person sleeping in the outdoor shelters at the Waimarie Croquet Club by the Hutt River.
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:40am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Do they get in the way while you are playing your game?.
    
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    April 29, 2017 11:44am
    - Jack5
      
      Milky’s been hooked on croquet since Alice’s Adventures in Wonderland was read to him as a child.
      
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      April 29, 2017 5:26pm
- GoVege
  
  Looks like “Hoarders” but with no actual house to hoard in.
  
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  April 29, 2017 12:40pm
- GoVege
  
  Maybe he gets lonely stuck in that house.
  I like the way some HNZ housing areas include a community room/house so the tenants can socialise on neutral ground.
  
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  April 29, 2017 7:39pm
Manolo

Is Fox in trouble?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/27/business/media/fox-news-sean-hannity-bill-shine.html?_r=0
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April 29, 2017 12:20pm
stephieboy

Pope Francis’s visit to Egypt and Cairo puts the plight of the beleaguered Christian community there in the forefront . He began his speech ( in the presence of Imam , Al-Azhar.) in Arabic and continued to emphasise interfaith dialogue and communication as a way forward combating Jihadism and ISIS terrorism .Not isolating and demonising all Muslims as the preferred option by Muslim bashers and apostles of hate ,

“Let us say once more a firm and clear ‘No!’ to every form of violence, vengeance and hatred carried out in the name of religion or in the name of God,” the pope told a peace conference at Egypt’s highest Islamic authority, Al-Azhar.

Francis is meeting an array of religious and political leaders in his brief stay, telling reporters travelling on his plane that he was carrying a message of peace and unity.

Eschewing the armoured motorcades normally reserved for visiting heads of state, the 80-year-old pontiff instead clambered into a simple Fiat car on his arrival, and, with his window wound down, drove off into the heavily guarded capital.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pope-egypt-idUSKBN17U0U4
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April 29, 2017 12:26pm
- GoVege
  
  Hope he’s got plenty of security.
  
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  April 29, 2017 12:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    He has !
    
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    April 29, 2017 12:44pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  http://www.voanews.com/a/pope-trims-sanctions-for-some-pedophile-priets-seeking-mercy/3740329.html
  
  “One case has come back to haunt him: An Italian priest who received the pope’s clemency was later convicted by an Italian criminal court for his sex crimes against children as young as 12. The Rev. Mauro Inzoli is now facing a second church trial after new evidence emerged against him, The Associated Press has learned.”
  
  He sure is at home with his mudslime rapist mates!
  
  POPE CUCK!
  
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  April 29, 2017 1:35pm
sooty

Whats up with all the public notices of takutai mona act 2011. Marine and costal area applications advertised in the paper.
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April 29, 2017 12:36pm
Fletch

The German newspaper Bild is saying that, contrary to reports in the Western MSM, Ivanka Trump wasn’t booed at a conference over there.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/28/german-paper-us-media-got-it-wrong-ivanka-wasnt-booed/
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April 29, 2017 1:38pm
- mikenmild
  
  Well, that’s a relief. Now I’m looking forward to her refuting the claim her clothing line is made in China by workers earning less than $1 per day.
  Make America Great Again!
  
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  April 29, 2017 1:58pm
- itstricky
  
  CNN is wrong on the booing but right on the list of Trump’s 100 day achievements. Who would have guessed, Fletch? Who would’ve thunk?
  
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  April 29, 2017 3:26pm
Fletch

Seven arrests, one woman shot in raid connected with a possible London terror plot.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/seven-more-arrests-one-woman-shot-london-raid-suspected-active-terror-plot
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April 29, 2017 1:40pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Work place incident. Move on
  
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  April 29, 2017 1:51pm
Fletch

Tucker Carlson stunned as actor Richard Dreyfuss gives a lesson in civics, speaking a lot of sense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QI_2wpYR2w
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April 29, 2017 2:10pm
Reid

Italian Prosecutor: Wiretaps Reveal NGOs Working With Human Smugglers to Flood Italy

Zuccaro told La Stampa last week: “We have evidence that there are direct contacts between certain NGOs and people traffickers in Libya.”

“We do not yet know if and how we could use this evidence in court, but we are quite certain about what we say; telephone calls from Libya to certain NGOs, lamps that illuminate the route to these organizations’ boats, boats that suddenly turn off their transponders, are ascertained facts,” he said.

An investigation from GEFIRA exposed this exact crime last year:

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=56660

So who’s behind a lot of NGOs then? Starts with S and ends with oros.

Also see:
NGOs are smuggling immigrants into Europe on an industrial scale
https://gefira.org/en/2016/12/04/ngos-are-smuggling-immigrants-into-europe-on-an-industrial-scale/

NGOs Armada operating off the coast of Libya
https://gefira.org/en/2016/11/16/ngos-armada-for-the-coast-of-libya/
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April 29, 2017 2:42pm
- BeeSting
  
  HOW MANY ARE COMING TO NZ
  
  HOW MANY TERRORISTS ARE
  ALREADY HERE
  
  HOW MANY MORE ARE PLANNED TO COME
  
  those are the immediate Questions you
  need to ASK
  
  NOW
  
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  April 29, 2017 7:37pm
Reid

I’ve already given you some background on Kushner, here’s some more.

Jared Kushner, the First Son-in-Law, is secret financial partners with what was once the richest family in Israel — the billionaire Steinmetzes, whose leading figure has been linked to a massive bribery scandal in Africa.

Kushner’s hidden business ties, just revealed in the New York Times and Bloomberg, should prompt the same intense scrutiny that other Trump officials have gotten for their secret links to Russia. A federal grand jury has been investigating Beny Steinmetz, the Israeli billionaire family’s most prominent member, for bribing officials in Africa to steal mining concessions. How can Donald Trump’s Justice Department now be expected to conduct an honest probe of Steinmetz’s alleged crimes?

In fact, Alan Dershowitz, a criminal defense attorney for Beny Steinmetz, already told the Times that “he believed that the federal investigation of Mr. Steinmetz and his companies was no longer active.” Does Dershowitz already know something the American public doesn’t?

The Times article points out that in 2012, Kushner’s real estate company “went on a buying spree, snapping up about 11,000 apartments around the country, roughly doubling its inventory.” Until now, Kushner’s partners have been kept secret.

Beny Steinmetz, in addition to the U.S. probe, is being investigated in 3 other countries. Israel even arrested him briefly last December.

– See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2017/04/financial-partners-steinmetz/#sthash.TwtUP4kw.dpuf
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April 29, 2017 2:52pm
Fletch

Yale students doing a “symbolic” hunger strike – ie, they can still eat.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/yale-grad-students-go-symbolic-hunger-strike-allows-eating-food

That’s just weird…
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April 29, 2017 3:02pm
Michael

Moriori/Maori.
This link probably explains the difference as well as any. Michael King was a top researcher.
https://www.nzgeo.com/stories/moriori-a-pride-reborn/
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April 29, 2017 3:11pm
Stars And Stripes

NZ’s transgender lifter storms World Masters Games
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11847676
“Today, she shattered world masters records in the 30-39 (90kg-plus) division, snatching 131kg and achieving 149kg in the clean and jerk for a total of 280kg”.

So the freak show goes on and no surprises it is a winner.
The Herald is well and truly following the script carefully referring to “she” the whole way through the article when in reality probably “it” is more appropriate.
Few decades earlier “she” would have found work in a circus.
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April 29, 2017 3:40pm
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, he wouldn’t have got anywhere in the men’s division (where he should be competing) but is instead breaking records in the women’s division; records that no biological woman will ever be able to beat. It really is a farce and ruining the sport.
  
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  April 29, 2017 3:55pm
  - gump
    
    The world senior records for her class are held by a Russian athlete and are 155kg, 193kg, and 348kg.
    
    The Herald reports that Hubbard did 131kg, 149kg, and 280kg.
    
    A good performance, but it isn’t close to being world class.
    
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    April 29, 2017 11:26pm
- Longknives
  
  Look I don’t care if a bloke wants to wear a frock and call himself Shirley- That’s his business.
  But a bloke competing in the Women’s divisions in sport is utter,utter bullshit!
  
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  April 29, 2017 4:24pm
  - nasska
    
    I heard that she had failed a drugs test.
    
    She couldn’t fit her penis in the bottle.
    
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    April 29, 2017 5:28pm
stigie

Long as they stay away from your back door, that’s all that matters..?
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April 29, 2017 4:36pm
- dad4justice
  
  What if the tranny copper came up your driveway stigie? These freaks are everywhere. What a sick society.
  
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  April 29, 2017 4:39pm
- mikenmild
  
  Kinky!
  
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  April 29, 2017 4:41pm
Longknives

Now I’m not dumb but I don’t understand why she walks like a Woman and talks like a Man…
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April 29, 2017 4:44pm
stigie

We know you have been confronted by a tranny copper Dad, it must have been some experience for you but it takes courage to say no Dad !~
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April 29, 2017 4:46pm
mikenmild

We only have his word for that – both for it happening at all and for him saying no!
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April 29, 2017 4:52pm
Longknives

Maybe Dad took Policewoman Lola for a Gliding Lesson?
‘Oops sorry that’s not the Joystick!’…Bow Chicka Bow Wow…
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April 29, 2017 5:01pm
Jack5

Saturday interlude:

Kanye West explains that Kim Kardashian is not a hobbit.

https://youtu.be/Gx2EqQcXchA

AND

https://youtu.be/32s1zi4SwaE
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April 29, 2017 5:02pm
Rodney Randall

https://youtu.be/zTDvh5IiPPo

Parents protest Islamic Prayer in public school.

Rebel Media
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April 29, 2017 5:35pm
Jack5

Another row for the Westland District Council, which recently signed works contracts linked with an Auckland cakeshop owner.

This time there are accusations that a nest egg of the small township of Kumara has been hijacked to build a Chinese garden.

What is it with Chinese gardens in the South Island? Dunedin opened one with great hou-ha, and Invercargill apparently is building one.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/west-coast/91549763/westland-district-council-allows-town-nest-egg-to-be-used-for-chinese-garden
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April 29, 2017 5:41pm
Reid

Few decades earlier “she” would have found work in a circus.

Yes she would have. This is social engineering people.

Because they own the media and many other things, they pretend it’s normal and pretty soon so it becomes.

That’s how it works.

People who grew up when it wasn’t normal still remember but over decades of repetition they become outliers.

They also design the education system at all levels from primary to tertiary and this is how they launch these memes, such as this one.

They’re always connected to other things. The bathrooms are another instance of this same thing.

But that’s what they do and how they do it, in a nutshell.

And over time, several decades, it becomes embedded into the national psyche and behaviours change.

That’s how they do it.

The trick is to see how the threads join into ropes. Then trace the rope. The threads are things like this transgender sport idiocy and the bathrooms (and various others). The ropes are the connections you make from the various threads, as you identify them, through the memes you see them developing, which you see in the media, in the news, in hollyweird, on TV soaps, etc. When they all start talking about and portraying the same broad theme, you know it’s yet another thread or rope.

Then once you have a rope, have a look around on Google to see why on Earth they would want to do something like say, promote transgenderism all of a sudden, when they weren’t doing that before.
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April 29, 2017 6:14pm
RF

When is Dan Carter going to front a French Court for his drink driving offence ?

I hope he will be treated as any other drunk driver and not buy his way out of a conviction.

My precious should man up.

At least the other druggy clown was convicted.
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April 29, 2017 6:30pm
- doggone7
  
  The French will be pleased you’re so interested in their administration of justice. I mean, it affects us so much.
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:06pm
- RF
  
  Jesus. This site is full of DCs syncophants. Get a life.
  
  The God from Southbridge has feet of clay and smells of alcohol.
  
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  April 29, 2017 11:46pm
dad4justice

RF are you another big bruv identity? Gawd there are dozens of them on here. Just like Panda Sports.
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April 29, 2017 6:44pm
- stigie
  
  Didn’t realize you were another Big Bruv identity RF, wonder how many more will crawl out of the woodwork when Dad’s around..?
  
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  April 29, 2017 7:24pm
  - mikenmild
    
    And what are ‘Panda Sports’? Some kind of costumed role-play down at Hagley Park?
    
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    April 29, 2017 7:27pm
    - dad4justice
      
      big bruv has a dozen identities on here eh stigfly or should I say Clint.
      
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      April 29, 2017 7:29pm
- Longknives
  
  I’m Spartacus!
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:52pm
Jack5

Interesting analysis by Brian Gaynor in the Hooerald today of rugby’s finances in NZ, Australia, and South Africa:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11847059
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April 29, 2017 6:52pm
Reid

Here’s another meme:

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/lists/conspiracy-theorist-alex-jones-trial-10-wtf-moments-w479317

Alex Jones is a disinformation agent as is his sidekick Watson.

Notwithstanding I cite them when they say something useful. Well, why not?

The way to identify disinformation agents is to identify whom it is they never critique.

Who does Wikileaks never critique?
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April 29, 2017 6:57pm
- EAD
  
  Re Alex Jones:
  
  http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-_jyEDDaZwq0/UOKFih04HiI/AAAAAAAAE1Y/Q0F2OCM2WiY/s1600/lfm3P.jpg
  
  https://europeanmediacentre.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/alex-jones-protocols-quote-on-opposition.jpg
  
  https://europeanmediacentre.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/alex-jones-jew-shill.jpg
  
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  April 29, 2017 7:02pm
  - Reid
    
    What’s your mileage on Wikileaks EAD?
    
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    April 29, 2017 7:15pm
  - mikenmild
    
    How are you getting on with verifying that Churchill quote, EAD? Ready to admit it was bogus?
    
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    April 29, 2017 7:21pm
Steve (North Shore)

Now this ‘wall’ that Trump is not going to build, and Mexico is not going to pay for it.
Mexico has a lot of cement and many cement plants – some American owned. Now where is this concrete going to be made? and how much employment will it create for Mexico and USA?
Rub 2 brain cells together and you just may get how Mexico is going to pay for the wall. It is a win win win
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April 29, 2017 7:30pm
- mikenmild
  
  That’s quite an impressive delusion you have gong there.
  
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  April 29, 2017 7:32pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Thanks Mike, denial is not a river in Afrika
    
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    April 29, 2017 8:17pm
BeeSting

http://biblehub.com/luke/22-36.htm

He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

http://biblehub.com/john/10-11.htm

The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.

I have come that they may have life, and have it in all its fullness. 11

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

12The hired hand is not the shepherd, and the sheep are not his own. When he sees the wolf coming, he abandons the sheep and runs away. Then the wolf pounces on them and scatters the flock

I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

Keep watch over yourselves and the entire flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He purchased with His own blood. 29

I know that after my departure, savage wolves will come in among you and will not spare the flock.

30Even from your own number, men will rise up and distort the truth to draw away disciples after them.…

Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears.

http://biblehub.com/hosea/8-7.htm

“They sow the wind and reap the whirlwind.
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April 29, 2017 7:55pm
- nasska
  
  What a load of shit!
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:04pm
  - BeeSting
    
    Nice Photo for you of your GURU
    feel free to share it with the Faithful
    
    http://rarehistoricalphotos.com/vladimir-lenin-last-photo-1923/
    
    http://leninandsharia.com
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd2qRSzCj84
    
    Yep eventually the big guy frys your bacon soon enough and karma gets you
    
    GOD IS GREAT amen
    
    Did he do a good job in Lenin or What
    
    Alleluia
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLy2SaSQAtA
    
    We all Shine on-
    
    Not Always
    
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    April 29, 2017 9:11pm
wiseowl

There is coverage of the slips blocking the Manawatu Gorge on Stuff.
It looks like they are trucking the rubble away to the Woodville end which must be costing a fortune.
I would tell the digger driver to push as much as possible over the side while no one is watching so that the job is carried out quickly and not subject to major delays because of RMA.
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April 29, 2017 8:09pm
- Viking2
  
  So you want to dam the river? Brilliant scheme of engineering owl. ( note I didn’t presume the wise bit.) 😆
  
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  April 29, 2017 8:21pm
JasonJohns

In Gen Debate today I learned about the degree to which the PC establishment is destroying NZ history. Like lots of other KB commenters I remember being taught that Moriori were a pre-Maori black people who were conquered and eaten after fleeing to the Chathams. This was common sense. Everyone knew it. But in the space of a few years a new PC consensus has been imposed, and when I asked for references to the old true histories of early NZ no one at Kiwiblog could even give one. That shows that the very fabric of our reality is being altered by the PC police. Books are being suppressed, People think that if something is not on the internet it does not exist. A new false history is being created and no one can do anything. We all feel that something is wrong, that the truth is being lost, but none of us can even remember the past. I bet the lost books that tell the true story of NZ are being burnt right now by the PC police.
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April 29, 2017 10:11pm
- mikenmild
  
  What a load of bullshit. I doubt very much you were taught much of anything at school.
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:19pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    You are a victim of the destruction of history just as much as me mike. The time has come for us to come together and try to locate the lost books that tell our true history. Perhaps some have not yet been burned or survive on forgotten shelves somewhere. But if they are revealed and shown to the masses them an uprising will surely result. Look at how hard the state and its international allies fight to destroy anyone who discovers the lost true stories. Allan Titford who discovered the incredible truth of vast cities in the bush made by the ancient inhabitants of NZ was sent to jail for 24 years. I understand if you fear his fate. But some are courageous and will search for the truth
    
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    April 29, 2017 10:25pm
- EAD
  
  That shows that the very fabric of our reality is being altered by the PC police. Books are being suppressed, People think that if something is not on the internet it does not exist. A new false history is being created and no one can do anything. We all feel that something is wrong, that the truth is being lost, but none of us can even remember the past
  
  Wait until you study a subject called “the Holocaust”!
  
  https://www.thejc.com/news/world/under-pressure-amazon-stops-selling-holocaust-denial-books-1.433963
  
  But at least they’re not imprisoning elderly gentlemen for speaking out even though our MSM keeps telling us free speech is protected:
  
  https://katana17.wordpress.com/2017/04/20/horst-mahler-speech-before-returning-to-prison-transcript/
  
  “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”
  
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  April 29, 2017 10:24pm
JasonJohns

On his facebook page John Ansell, the Trump and Le Pen of NZ, has a revelation that will rock NZ………

‘It’s a closely-guarded state secret that the Treaty of Waitangi was not New Zealand’s founding document. It was a series of permission slips by which over 500 chiefs agreed to become British subjects. New Zealand then became part of New South Wales until Queen Victoria’s Royal Charter – our true founding document – made New Zealand a separate colony with its own government and constitution. Neither the Charter nor the constitution says anything about the Treaty, which had done its work by November 1840.’
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April 29, 2017 10:20pm
JasonJohns

Here are the facts as I see them

1. We all were taught that the first NZers were Moriori at school. This was foundational. We were taught Maori conquered enslaved slaughtered Moriori. That Moriori were extinct

2. Now the state through its official organs is saying the very opposite that Moriori still exist and that they did not rule over NZ before Maori

3. We the freethinking community at Kiwiblog know this is a lie…but we can’t find any evidence. This is because what was common sense when we were kids has been suppressed, travestied, destroyed. The very fabric of reality has been altered. The PC establishment has used the internet and books to rewrite history. The old true histories have disappeared.
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April 29, 2017 10:33pm
JasonJohns

Marine Le Pen has been very clear. There is no place for the Jewish yarmulke in French public life. Middle Eastern races like the Muslims and Jews must assimilate to France or leave. http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/Le-Pen-Jews-should-sacrifice-yarmulke-in-struggle-against-radical-Islam-480791
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