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Former Wallaby coach says the Brumbies and Rebels should merge.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11844522

Given problems with the Rebels owner, simply end the Rebels and have the Melbourne Brumbies playing games there as well as Canberra.
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April 25, 2017 8:05am
- stephieboy
  
  It says much about the parlous state of the code in Australia which Sir Graham Henry has said is not good for the sport there and internationally ,
  
  “…You want Australia playing rugby and you want Australia playing well. And you want South Africa to be doing the same thing. But South Africa have probably lost half of their tests over the last three years.
  
  “Australia looked okay at the [2015] World Cup but have fallen away badly this year. We really need these sides to be competitive to create interest in the game and bring crowds.”
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11711511
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:30am
  - mikenmild
    
    The Aussie teams are simply pathetic at the moment – none more so than the Warratahs. Looks like Darryl Gibson will get the chop.
    
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    April 25, 2017 8:33am
- Southern Raider
  
  Only way to save Aussie rugby is to sack everyone in the ARU and start again.
  
  Talk to the grass roots clubs and they will all tell you ARU extorts money off them and gives nothing back
  
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  April 25, 2017 10:31am
  - ztev
    
    Grassroots ?
    This is 2017, money is increasingly coming from gambling interests and aussie teams loosing means gamblers go elesewhere.
    
    the super rugby will end up as local teams playing each other and only playing others in the finals.
    ‘Stormer’s playing the ‘Force’ means nothing to even to most dedicated rugby supporter ( or gambler)
    
    A big mistake from 20 years ago when it was about bums on seats and eyeballs on sports TV channels
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:39am
Maggy Wassilieff

Shots have been fired into the research offices of leading climate-sceptic scientists.

http://notrickszone.com/#sthash.r1lJOUYF.dpbs
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April 25, 2017 8:06am
- G152
  
  The warmists must be getting desperate
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:35am
- jonar
  
  Correlation is not causation.
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:59am
  - Notsofast
    
    Correlation is causation when the correlation shows an increase in CO2 levels at 1000 times any rate seen in 4 billion years, and the difference is the burning of fossil fuels.
    The only question requiring an answer then is whether CO2 is an atmospheric component that traps heat, to show that in this case, correlation and causation can be bracketed.
    
    For example:
    
    “The mechanism by which carbon dioxide traps heat in the atmosphere is commonly referred to as the “greenhouse effect.” Stated very simply, carbon dioxide, or CO2, is nearly transparent to the solar radiation emitted from the sun, but partially opaque to the thermal radiation emitted by the earth.”
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:02am
    - ztev
      
      The greenhouse has always been there, without it we would be a snowball planet
      CO2 is only a very very tiny GHG, water molecules are far away the biggest effect
      plants grow better with more CO2
      The excess CO2 from humans is only the margin of error for the carbon cycle, or the natural production of gases like CO2
      
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      April 25, 2017 11:47am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Going against the will of the tribe here. Who are you and what have you done with ztev?
        
        I agree, it is water vapour feedbacks that were dominant in the catastrophic theory, and were the great unknown, but climate data over the last 10 years (the pause) has shown that water vapour feedback is small. Crisis averted.
        
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        April 25, 2017 5:57pm
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s simply wishful thinking.
        
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        April 25, 2017 6:04pm
    - jonar
      
      Actually I was referring to the bullets in the building “obviously” (according to some here) being fired from “climate change terrorists'” guns. The local police believe it was just a random incident.
      
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      April 25, 2017 1:29pm
- peterwn
  
  Some warmists would like to see a new crime put on the law books – climate change skeptic heresy – preferably punished by the rack, burning at the stake etc.
  
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  April 25, 2017 11:41am
  - GazzaW
    
    Burning at the stake could raise problems with air pollution.
    
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    April 25, 2017 12:25pm
Nukuleka

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All right thinking Kiwibloggers will join me in condemning our draconian trading laws that ban shops from opening until 1.00 pm on ANZAC DAY. Just as on Easter Sunday it is appalling that our country’s business owners should be deprived of earning money and catering to the needs of both shopping-deprived Kiwis and visitors alike just because a few selfish people- a minority of our population- want to attend some services to commemorate some old codgers who died in war.

Given that the shops will all be open and bustling come 1.00 pm it is surely hypocritical that they aren’t permitted to open for a full day of trading as of 9.00 this morning. Why 1.00 pm and not 9.00 am- haphazard and a nonsense.

I expect all those who rant and fulminate against trading strictures on GoodFriday/ Easter Sunday to join me in condemning the denial of the basic human right to shop all day on ANZAC DAY.
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April 25, 2017 8:13am
- mikenmild
  
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  Hear hear.
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:22am
- nasska
  
  If you can’t discern the difference between honouring the sacrifices made by tens of thousands of Australian & NZ servicemen versus the strange religious buzzing noises in your head you are beyond hope!
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:23am
  - mikenmild
    
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    It’s the veterans who a prevented from shopping this morning that I feel for, nasska.
    
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    April 25, 2017 8:26am
    - stigie
      
      Not sure whether you have tongue in cheek Milky but the veterans would rather remember their brothers in arms than do some fucking shopping today ole chap..?
      
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      April 25, 2017 9:29am
      - Liberty
        
        He is just being a dick as usual.
        
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        April 25, 2017 9:55am
      - Lance
        
        MM has become more and more odious of recent.
        
        Pity, he used to make the odd good point (even if I disagreed with it), now he is just stephieboy Mk11
        
        Sad
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:46am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      MM, and you express a valid point…
      
      All too often we hear that we are too commercialised, too materialistic and are consumer indulged. And we are! Any excuse for a bit of retail therapy, a bargain, especially a holiday bargain!
      
      We complain about Asians snapping up our real estate and on selling for a higher profit.
      
      But we as kiwis allow this.
      
      These few days that we get as public holidays should be spent with our families. Can we not organise the rest of our week so everyone can spend one day without consuming? Would the world stop if a day passed and not a single dollar was spent?
      
      Personally I’m gonna enjoy streaky bacon and eggs, that my son is cooking at home, eat in the sun, and I’m gonna pass on his paternal grandfathers war memories, not to glorify these memories, but to remember the man.
      
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      April 25, 2017 9:42am
      - mikenmild
        
        If people want family time, or a break from shopping or whatever, that’s great. But I don’t see any reason to close down businesses to achieve that.
        Once upon a time people thought the same about Saturday and Sunday shopping – “surely one late shopping night a week is enough”. Times change.
        
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        April 25, 2017 9:48am
      - stigie
        
        “But I don’t see any reason to close down businesses to achieve that.”
        Yeah, but don’t you think Anzac day is different Milky..? It’s rather special than any other day !~
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:03am
      - mikenmild
        
        No – unless you think we should shut the service station, dairies and close down the internet and broadcasting as well. Why just force some shops to close?
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:06am
      - Northland Wahine
        
        “No – unless you think we should shut the service station, dairies and close down the internet and broadcasting as well. Why just force some shops to close?”
        
        MM, I’d support dairies, service stations closing . Emergency services will be needed. Utilities like electricity, running water, broadcasting and internet are pretty much automated. The world won’t stop spinning.
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:37am
    - GazzaW
      
      Odious bordering on trolling.
      
      I can handle religious, political or any sort of dissent but facetious comments regarding the traditions that surround Anzac Day are way our of line.
      
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      April 25, 2017 12:32pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Why is that? Plenty of Kiwibloggers have used this thread to take potshots at their pet hates.
        
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        April 25, 2017 12:34pm
      - jonar
        
        facetious comments regarding the traditions that surround Anzac Day are way our of line.
        
        Free speech – unless I don’t like it?
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:37pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I think it’s reasonable to ask why business owners are forced to close on any national holiday. How is that trolling?
        
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        April 25, 2017 5:15pm
  - SPC
    
    Given conscription applied at times, the sacrifice of young men made by our governments.
    
    And today it is the decision of government when service personnel are placed at risk.
    
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    April 25, 2017 8:39am
  - SPC
    
    Initially it was the RSA – those who returned home who went to parades (but not all of them by the way), not the public so much.
    
    But as those who returned home died off more of the public, because these were their ancestors) began to go and began to note the many uncles, great uncles who did not return.
    
    Thus it has become part of the whole ancestry search phenomenon, but not so far as the Maori War or Boer War as yet. Which has developed as religion has declined, another cult of sacrifice has emerged – about legacy of service across generations.
    
    Baby boomers will be remembered for their free education, collecting super while still working while their descendants cannot afford to buy homes in the city where they work.
    
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    April 25, 2017 8:48am
    - Lance
      
      Utter drivel
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:49am
      - SPC
        
        The first two points are facts.
        
        Initially it was the RSA – those who returned home who went to parades (but not all of them by the way), not the public so much.
        
        But as those who returned home died off more of the public (these were their ancestors) began to go and began to note the many uncles, great uncles who did not return.
        
        How are facts politically incorrect and to what sort of precious snowflake?
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:11pm
      - SPC
        
        The next two points valid, if obviously unwelcome opinion, because there is no rebuttal.
        
        The third. Fact is many of the young today do focus on identifying relatives of their own ancestors who did not return (but not so far as the Maori War or Boer War as yet).
        
        So what we have, something that has developed in the decline of religion, another cult of sacrifice has emerged – related to legacy of service across generations.
        
        If baby boomers do not want to be remembered for enjoying clean waterways, cheap housing and free education which the next generations will not have, then they could do something about it. Or will taking the super they collect while still working, because they are so entitled, be their final legacy.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:18pm
    - GazzaW
      
      Baby boomers will also be remembered as the generation that have not only had to financially support their parents in their retirement but also raise their grandchildren.
      
      Baby boomers will be remembered as the generation that continued to work after 65 and still contribute to the tax system. At 72 I pay as much tax as I earn super.
      
      Baby boomers will be remembered as being the largest component and absolute backbone of voluntary and unpaid service in our country’s history.
      
      And finally it’s an urban myth about free tertiary education up until the 1980s. Unless you passed University Scholarship (a real challenge for anyone bar the top 5%) you paid your fees just like today. University Entrance and Higher Leaving did not cut it. From memory I paid 250 pounds per subject per year in 1962. And there were no student loans. Go figure that in todays values.
      
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      April 25, 2017 12:47pm
      - mikenmild
        
        When I went (1980s), UE gave you the standard tertiary bursary
        
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        April 25, 2017 12:57pm
      - SPC
        
        Never charged any fees 70’s or 80’s.
        
        Just a 7th form bursary not scholarship, did not notice if those with basic 6th form UE were charged – they did get student allowance though.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:06pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Sorry that was after my time. From memory the main method of getting your uni fees paid if you didn’t have Scholarship was to sign on as a teacher trainee and the Education Dept paid your fees plus a living allowance. In return you had to attend Teachers Training College after completing your degree and then teach for five years including two years in a rural location.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:06pm
      - SPC
        
        Those who pay as much tax as they get in super – stop paying tax on their income when they turn 65.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:24pm
    - Viking2
      
      correct about the first part. The current Anzac revival was in part instigated by Helen cClark as was the return of the Unknown soldier.
      One of the few things she did right IMHO.
      
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      April 25, 2017 2:30pm
- Swifty
  
  You do your cause no good by using ANZAC Day, of all days, to promote it.
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:32am
  - mikenmild
    
    It is exactly the right moment. Many people would agree that New Zealander fought and died for freedom. That freedom should encompass many forms.
    
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    April 25, 2017 8:34am
    - Swifty
      
      Not talking about the timing MM. I’m referring to the analogy attempting to be drawn.
      
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      April 25, 2017 8:37am
    - Happychappy
      
      Yet for years the people of Jforce that went to clean up Japan after the atomic bomb remember that freedom MM by not being able to become members of the RSA. My Father was one of those and it really passed him off and even years later when it was changed he never joined.
      
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      April 25, 2017 9:33am
      - mikenmild
        
        Well, a lot of ex-servicemen never much appreciated the RSA vibe – too Army centred for many of them.
        
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        April 25, 2017 9:46am
      - Southern Raider
        
        My grandfather was the same. He never joined the RSA even after they changed the rule to allow JForce.
        
        He never talked about it but you could tell he resented that they didn’t see him as a real soldier.
        
        Reality is Kiwis in JForce did more to normalise Japanese people after the war than anyone else. They helped keep the peace but also assisted local Japanese people recovering after the war. Unlike combat soldiers they also got to see the non imperialist side of Japanese people
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:39am
      - holysheet
        
        J force members were like the later day territorials. Not real soldiers who witnessed and took part in killings like most RSA members from the war.
        Who gave a fuck about the japs and the aftermath of the war they started along with the germans.
        
        They were the first of the snowflakes.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:34am
      - mikenmild
        
        They also served. Who are you to denigrate that service?
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:54am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Good thing the J Force, my father being one of them, was unaware of the side effects of those bombs, otherwise nobody would have gone.
        
        It is a measure of who we are as a nation that we could go to Japan and help clear up a mess of our (collective) mess in the same way as the Germans were helped to regain some semblance of order, self respect and pride in who they are as a nation.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:59am
      - Happychappy
        
        holysheet/ I think you do a disservice to the 1200 J Force service men that went to Japan to oversee the repatriation of Japanese soldiers returning home. In that time 15 in their ranks were killed or died of a illness, so to me they are “Fallen Soldiers ” and deserve the respect on a day like this as others get. You might get a kick out of calling people on here snowflakes but please don’t disrespect people that have done a service for this Country.
        
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        April 25, 2017 12:25pm
      - SGA
        
        holysheet
        
        J force members were like the later day territorials. Not real soldiers who witnessed and took part in killings like most RSA members from the war.
        
        To the best of my knowledge, the RSA made no distinction between those who were in active combat during WWII and those who did what needed to be done in the hangers, storehouses, and offices.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:50pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  As an obviously wrong thinking NZer I question whether those wanting to honour our armed forces, both present and past, are a minority and doubt the shops will be “bustling” come 13:00.
  
  The bastards have had the best part of two weeks shopping and will have run out of money by now.
  
  As for the “basic right to shop”, you can do so 24/7 without leaving your home.
  
  Therefore I fail to understand your point.
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:36am
  - mikenmild
    
    It is simply a matter for a business owner to decide where and when to open for business. If you think you shouldn’t be shopping on any particular day, then your solution is easy – don’t go shopping. But laws forcing some businesses to shut are well past their use-by date.
    
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    April 25, 2017 8:44am
    - srylands
      
      There is no right answer here. ANZAC day morning is the only time I would force shops to close. I am sitting in a town square right now thinking of my grandfather who was wrecked for life after fighting the Japanese in Papua New Guinea for 2 years. It would not be the same with shoppers rushing by.
      
      I note this morning that my local French bakery was doing a great trade in cheese, baguettes and croisants. It seems nuts they can open and other shops can’t.
      
      Personally I would close everything until 1pm. Except selected pharmacies.
      
      Every other day of the year I would lift all restrictions.
      
      Of course my views are shaped by that grandfather who was tortured in PNG. He shaped my father both good and bad. In turn he shaped me. So it is important to me to remember. Without Pak n Save being a distraction.
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:23am
- Pateke
  
  Half a day remembering our fallen is a small price to pay. Have you forgotten, or were you never taught that the price of freedom is high and has been paid by our families over a long time. Your petty need for commerce is utterly sad.
  
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  April 25, 2017 9:30am
  - mikenmild
    
    Remembering the price of freedom does not need to include forcing businesses to shut.
    
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    April 25, 2017 9:50am
    - KevinH
      
      Milky you are of course playing the devils advocate in your protestations, I’m sure none of us are terribly inconvenienced by not being able to shop till 1.00pm.
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:53am
      - jonar
        
        I’m not a Christian, but why doesn’t this same argument apply to Christmas and Easter?
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:44pm
    - Viking2
      
      Remembering the price of freedom does not need to include forcing businesses to shut.
      
      Exactly, as that in itself is a restraint on someone else’s freedom.
      
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      April 25, 2017 2:37pm
- Liberty
  
  Half a day closed for 60 odd years of freedom . It was a pity about the 9 years under Clark.
  Still life is good now.
  
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  April 25, 2017 10:09am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Anyone else see the irony of lefty milky trying to build a case to support capitalist business people?
    
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    April 25, 2017 10:41am
    - mikenmild
      
      I just think people should enjoy the maximum amount of personal freedom without trespassing on the rights of others. I don’t think that is a uniquely left-wing viewpoint, do you?
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:46am
      - Shaun the Sheep
        
        After your Dawn Service remembrance of all who have fallen and customary visit to the cemetery to respect those family members who served, you could nip down to the shops for a bit of retail therapy with a surcharge to the RSA Welfare fund thrown in.
        Question is: How much would you be prepared to pay for your freedom to shop? 10%, 20%, 50% 100% 1000%
        Not much to ask considering some folk paid with their lives.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:50am
    - Liberty
      
      A true Capitalist makes money in the long term. Closing for a few days is not a problem.
      The only ones wanting shopping 24/7 are selfish gits who just want to make a quick buck.
      
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      April 25, 2017 11:07am
    - Viking2
      
      How do you are at the point that you have that MM is a lefty.?
      
      MM has always supported individuals freedom. You should take a lot more notice of what you read before you rush into casting aspirtions about others.
      
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      April 25, 2017 2:40pm
  - sam green
    
    Liberty – I am truly interested in how your freedom was curtailed under the Clark led government.
    
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    April 25, 2017 6:38pm
- Fletch
  
  Actually, I can’t see why shops shouldn’t be closed for the whole day. Half a day seems like a cop-out already. Let’s show some respect, but only for half a day? Because we can’t go a whole day without shopping?
  
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  April 25, 2017 11:22am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    I agree that ANZAC day is special, however when I was a retailing business required to be closed Good Friday, Easter Sunday and then ANZAC day in close proximity, it was a pain in the proverbial.
    Just because of their proximity, not because of their purpose.
    
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    April 25, 2017 12:12pm
- SPC
  
  We have enough of a problem with workers having to available at all hours, on shifts, on call for low wages.
  
  Lest we forget returned service men voted in the first Labour government after one war, and expected affordable homes when they returned from the next.
  
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  April 25, 2017 11:40am
- Viking2
  
  Piss off I like a sleep in. 😆
  
  But seriously you are right. My work email has been busy with people inquiring about jobs as they had nothing else to do.
  
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  April 25, 2017 2:25pm
oldpark

Right on cue ,just as the Dawn Parade was starting ,a Radio Station Newstalk ZB, a subsidiary company of N Z Herald,broadcast false news. They depicted lies and propaganda,from a two dollar book written by some guy called Hagar the Horrible. They even had a reporter comment on a protest to happen at the Dawn Parade ,by supporters of Hagers book of lies and propaganda about our NZs forces in Afghanistan. Appears the comments were so inflammatory, and put out by their Lie-bour/Green Party infested newsroom.by the time of the next news bulletin,the comments became “ALLEGATIONS”,too little ,too late,Newstalk ZB, What an insult to our armed forces,your news bulletin was at 6.00AM on Anzac Day.
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April 25, 2017 8:13am
- Longknives
  
  Looking at National Party’s Facebook Page and it is appropriately paying it’s respects to Anzac Day and the War Fallen.
  Not a peep on either the Labour or the Green’s Facebook Pages- Not even an acknowledgement from the wankers!
  That to me speaks volumes of the Left in this Country..
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:33am
  - mikenmild
    
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    True. The lack of virtue signalling from the Labour
    Party is significant.
    
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    April 25, 2017 8:35am
    - Reid
      
      No it’s called genuine respect mm. Lefties mistake it for virtue signalling because they have no familiarity with either of those concepts.
      
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      April 25, 2017 8:49am
      - mikenmild
        
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        Only a real snowflake could get upset because a political party didn’t wrap its Facebook page in the flag.
        
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        April 25, 2017 8:53am
      - Disaster Area
        
        I don’t believe that it is ‘genuine’ respect, I think that they are being *respectful*.
        
        I think that somebody at National Party HQ (and most companies, sports teams etc) has a big list of what to do on appropriate days: Mention Easter, Happy Christmas not Happy Holidays, put a silver fern on when the All Blacks play etc.
        
        I didn’t go to a Dawn Service. I hope I honour the people with whom I served in the attitudes and values that I exhibit each day.
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:50am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Yes but that’s the party that had Cunliffe as leader playing with his phone on the VIP dais during the Anzac Service.
    That sure wasn’t “virtue-signalling” was it.
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:54am
- Happychappy
  
  The ones that are protesting wouldn’t have the balls to fight for their country anyway, that’s why they protest to make themselfs look big. You only have to look at Penny what has she achieved.
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:34am
  - mikenmild
    
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    Penny has achieved very little, but I give her some credit for fully backing her beliefs with action.
    
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    April 25, 2017 8:36am
    - Inandout
      
      Pissing into the wind springs to mind, rather than achieved very little.
      
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      April 25, 2017 9:43am
    - Lance
      
      And MM proves in writing he has completely lost the plot
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:53am
      - Liberty
        
        Spending 24/7 on the blogs is not healthy.
        Maybe MM needs to go out into the sun once in a while.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:16am
  - Inandout
    
    Ha, I can’t imagine stick man Hager carrying a 303 rifle, he would collapse under its weight. And as for taking orders from a superior officer, well this brave little squirt would probably end up in the slammer because of his back talk. His sort would have benefited from CMT.
    
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    April 25, 2017 9:42am
    - GazzaW
      
      The only good that Hagar could do with a .303 would be as a pull-through.
      
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      April 25, 2017 1:19pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    The free speech conundrum: Those that protest about wars are only able to do so because of the wars that they protest.
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:49am
- sooty
  
  Me l would have been to punch a protester, or maybe half a dozen!
  
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  April 25, 2017 1:09pm
  - jonar
    
    Don’t agree with Free Speech as a principle then?
    
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    April 25, 2017 1:48pm
Manolo

The battle rages on:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-04-24/le-pen-camp-attacks-front-runner-macron-as-oligarchs-candidate
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April 25, 2017 8:27am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , Marine le Pen and Donald Trump equals Pride In Prejudice
  
  https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/04/21/does-donald-trump-support-marine-le-pen/?utm_term=.92ca892cbcb4.
  
  Thoughts ?
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:46am
  - Manolo
    
    There does not seem to be a president capable of reversing France’s decline. The Frogs have veered to the left too much, and their republic appears weak and confused.
    
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    April 25, 2017 9:04am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, so Trump styled Protectionism and Trade Wars is the answer ?
      
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      April 25, 2017 9:24am
      - Manolo
        
        When did I say that? Are you on the turps, dear stephieboy?
        
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        April 25, 2017 9:39am
      - GazzaW
        
        Maybe a couple of rums too many at the RSA 😉
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:21pm
- Reid
  
  Emmanuel Macron, the photogenic 39-years-old financier with an amazing career became the leader of the presidential race in France with 23.8% of the vote, followed by Marine Le Pen with 21.7%. According to opinion polls, he will reach the second round with Marine Le Pen, where he will win 66 percent of the votes.
  
  Emmanuel Macron … has no real political experience. He has not been elected anywhere before….He is an investment banker specializing in mergers and acquisitions and was successful in his career. He graduated from the National School of Administration, a leading university for the French elite. He worked for several years as an inspector at the Ministry of Economy. Then in 2007, a crucial year in his career, the promising 29-year-old economist was groomed by [Rothschild’s lickspittle] Jacques Attali.
  
  iJacques Attali is a philosopher-globalist, a writer of colorful utopias of how all nations and states will disappear from the face of the earth during bloody conflicts, and the survivors of humanity will unite under the banner of democracy and under the control of a World Government. Moreover, for many years Attali was well received at the Elysee Palace and is one of the most influential advisers of generations of French presidents, from François Mitterrand to Francois Hollande. Local media, calling him “the true president of France” is hardly exaggerating.
  
  It is Jacques Attali who created the link between financial capital and the elite of the ruling Socialist Party, which he supports. He is exceptional in his ability to skillfully wrap the predatory plans of the bankers in beautiful leftist slogans…
  
  https://southfront.org/emmanuel-macron-rothschilds-choice-for-president-of-france/
  
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  April 25, 2017 9:01am
  - EAD
    
    Macron is just another Coudenhove-Kalegri Plan Globalist like the Jew Sarkozy who, let us not forget, repeatedly called for the State to actively speed up the destruction of the French people by having the State force the French people to breed with 3rd worlders.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8yaiN6ew_g
    
    Contrast this with the state of Israel where it is a criminal offence for a Jew to marry an Arab.
    
    http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/shavuot/.premium-1.596678
    
    Rona Shulman and Thomas Lebreton had been together for six years and had two daughters before they decided to tie the knot. But they had to leave Israel to get married, because Thomas isn’t Jewish, and Israeli law does not permit marriages between members of different religions within its borders.
    
    When they returned to Israel from France, where the ceremony was held, Rona and her two daughters received gas masks at the airport. Thomas did not.
    
    “They said he wasn’t entitled to a gas mask because he’s not an Israeli citizen,” recounts Rona. “I asked them, ‘What’s he supposed to do if there’s a war? His family goes into a sealed a room and he stays outside?’ So eventually, we had no choice but to purchase him a gas mask.”
    
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    April 25, 2017 9:24am
    - mikenmild
      
      Happy Anzac Day, EAD.
      I was wondering how you were getting on in your efforts to authenticate that bogus Churchill quote about ‘butchering the wrong pig’.
      
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      April 25, 2017 9:27am
      - EAD
        
        Morning Milkmaid,
        
        Yeah I was at a dawn service this morning, thanks for asking.
        
        I just present the facts, it’s up to you to do the breathless hyperventilation as you lash out as the make believe fantasy narrative you have constructed gets torn to shred by cold hard facts and reality.
        
        I.e. above – is anything I posted above wrong?
        
        PS: The Churchill quote was from his speech in Bern in 1960. Now give it a rest, you’re making yourself look even more stupid than you already are.
        
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        April 25, 2017 9:45am
      - Reid
        
        Everyone knows Churchill said that mm. It’s common knowledge except amongst profoundly ignorant people such as stephie and apparently, yourself.
        
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        April 25, 2017 9:52am
      - mikenmild
        
        EAD. As you probably know by now, there is no record of that quote anywhere before 2001, when it appeared in the foreword to a new edition of a book first published in 1938 – Propaganda in the Next War.
        As for Bern 1960, I cannot find that the elderly Churchill ever went to Bern in 1960, let alone made a speech there, let alone uttered the word you neo-Nazis like to pretend he said.
        
        Yes Reid – apparently every crackpot ‘knows’ that.
        
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        April 25, 2017 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      “The challenge of the 21st century is Racial interbreeding “?
      
      How will that be thwarfed by you and your National Socialist agenda ?
      
      Now let us guess ?
      
      Nuremberg Laws ? Slavs and Nords intermarrying excluded ?
      
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      April 25, 2017 9:29am
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X, you ask someone about something:”How will that be thwarfed by you …”
        
        From Snow White and the theven thwarfs?
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:07am
      - holysheet
        
        Nah stupidboy your lot will keep their goats and camels around in case of sexual emergencies. At least there is no chance of a new species from this coupling.
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:13am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I thought Islamists were the the result of such a coupling; learn something new every day here on KB
        
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        April 25, 2017 12:06pm
    - Lance
      
      @EAD
      I don’t know if you can tell shit from clay
      But someones religion is not their race
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:58am
  - SPC
    
    Macron policy
    
    Cut 120,000 public sector jobs and bring down the budget deficit
    A €50bn (£43bn; $53bn) public investment plan to cover job-training and shift to renewable energy
    Slash corporation tax from 33% to 25% and let companies renegotiate 35-hour week. Unify the pension system
    Bolster EU ties and the eurozone, higher tariffs to protect European industry, common border force
    
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    April 25, 2017 10:12am
  - Viking2
    
    Kinda the same track as a local we had as PM.
    
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    April 25, 2017 2:46pm
Manolo

Getting serious:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/04/24/entire-senate-being-called-to-white-house-for-north-korea-briefing.html
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April 25, 2017 9:01am
- Reid
  
  Just in case people don’t already know, NK has over 30,000 artillery guns deeply buried overlooking Seoul. They are capable of causing a million casualties an hour in that city and even with rader back-tracking on the shells to identify their locations, it’s going to take many hours to eliminate them.
  
  Then you have over 200,000 special force shock suicide troops ready to burst out and decapitate the SK command and military infrastructure.
  
  The theatre is mountainous terrain and the only option is air-drop, the usual beach landing by marine forces is out. It’s not going to be that kind of war.
  
  Those carrier task forces are highly vulnerable to a nuke on say a fishing boat and he will do that if he’s forced into a corner.
  
  NK have been conducting these missile tests for decades. At any time this could have been used as the justification for these actions. Why now? What is the end game? This is not just Trump being reckless. International geopolitics like this does not happen because one man decides to make it so. Trump like all POTUS’s has a big team of people all behind this, and question is: who are they and why are they doing this, now?
  
  But make no mistake, at a minimum, Trump et al are risking millions of Korean lives with this needless unjustifiable manouvering, not to mention 20-30,000 US sailors on those task groups.
  
  Welcome to ANZAC Day, 2017.
  
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  April 25, 2017 9:48am
  - kowtow
    
    I hope he keeps out of it. Trump was elected to sort out the US’ domestic problems , not start WW3.
    
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    April 25, 2017 10:06am
    - Reid
      
      Yes but he’s surrendered to the neocons kowtow. That’s the problem.
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:15am
  - SPC
    
    Do nothing and then wait till NK get nukes that can reach the USA? This would end the US/UN guarantee to SK independence (and require a major review/change of US policy, not just in Asia but globally – end of an active role in containment/collective security for UN).
    
    So back to Trump’s first instinct, the USA take their forces out of the south and tell SK to either get nukes of their own or ask China to guarantee their security.
    
    And there goes either nuclear non proliferation or China (use NK to) provide security in return for acknowledgement of hegemony.
    
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    April 25, 2017 10:21am
    - Reid
      
      NK already has missiles that can reach the US and who cares if they do find a way to fit a warhead on it? The situation is contained as it always is, via MAD.
      
      Nothing will happen except hot air as nothing has happened for the last thirty years since its had them.
      
      Unless they’re cornered.
      
      Which is what they’re doing.
      
      For no reason.
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:40am
      - SPC
        
        1. They do not have missiles that can reach the USA.
        
        2. We have no idea if NK would leverage nuclear capacity to the USA to win the war they started back in the 50’s. MAD would only apply if the SK had nukes too (as UK and France did in Europe during the Cold War).
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:52am
      - SPC
        
        And without nuclear monopoly (which ends once they can hit the USA with nukes), what exactly is the deterrent to a NK invasion of the south, or threatening the south with an attack to extort military supremacy tribute/economic aid?
        
        Sit by while they become a nuclear weapons power, and SK either rolls over or has to get nukes too.
        
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        April 25, 2017 10:58am
      - jims_whare
        
        I’m not sure if MAD applies when one country is lead by a megalomaniac with a bowl haircut.
        
        Look at Saddam Hussein when he realized he was getting beating in Kuwait.
        
        Blowing up all the oil well heads made no sense apart from one bully getting angry at getting a hiding and so decided to cause wanton and senseless destruction to Kuwait.
        
        Kim ung Chu is no different. He has been brought up to believe that he is kind of like god on earth and the USA etc. are the devilish enemy.
        
        If a shooting war starts and Kim Kom is scared that he may lose he will try and lash out with anything he can.
        
        I’m not saying that there shouldn’t be a shooting war – just be prepared for significant casualties – maybe sell your Samsung shares?
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:08am
      - Reid
        
        Yes they do. One of their tests fired a missile 500 miles straight up. If they can do that they have a delivery vehicle. They just don’t yet have the warhead.
        
        MAD applies to any protaganist against whom an attack would invite retaliation.
        
        So MAD does apply to NK-US, just as it also applies to NK-anyone else the US is friendly with.
        
        Edit: Of course MAD applies. Nuclear weapons are not launched because a megalomaniac is having a bad day. That’s Hollyweird roaring mentalism. The real world doesn’t work like that.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:17am
      - SPC
        
        reid, if the NK said they would nuke the USA if they came to SK’s aid after an invasion – do you really think the USA would do so?
        
        But would they invade SK if SK had nukes?
        
        What we are witnessing is Obama’s warning to Trump, it is becoming late in the day as to stopping NK getting nukes. Trump had already said SK getting nukes was an option, the only other one is working with China now (using the trade card to get Chinese buy in). This will either work or it will not – if not it is onto SK having nukes (then why not Japan and Taiwan …
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:26am
      - SPC
        
        And the missile that you say can reach the USA is actually a space rocket, that would require transformation to be used as a missile.
        
        They have other missiles that they are developing for range to the USA.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:32am
      - Reid
        
        You keep repeating that NK getting nuke delivery capability to the US is a problem, as I’ve explained, it isn’t.
        
        Not just because of MAD but also because of THAAD.
        
        Unless and until you can address those points there’s no point continuing to repeat ourselves.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:43am
      - SPC
        
        Yes it is a problem NK would become more aggressive towards the south.
        
        MAD is irrelevant, the scenario is threat of war, and use of nukes to deter US defence of the south.
        
        As for THAAD, like the USA would rely on a missile shield for defence against a “nuclear” strike.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:48am
      - Reid
        
        No, the scenario is, everything was quiet until Trump et al decided to get excited about something that’s been happening for decades. This naturally, given the personality involved, generated the entirely predictable NK reactions we are currently witnessing.
        
        As I keep saying, in the real world, NK knows its the end of everything if it attacks anyone with anything. Why the fuck would the leaders want to give up their luxurious lifestyle now? What would be the specific reason that they would decide to do that? Other than a perceived existential threat, which is PRECISELY what the US is presenting to them.
        
        Isn’t it.
        
        And as I also keep saying, who gives a flying even if NK does get a delivery vehicle?
        
        Unless the US goads it, NK is never going to do anything, anyway. If for no other reason than self-preservation. Why some people can’t see that plainly obvious evident fact, is beyond me.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:56am
      - SPC
        
        The USA had a first focus on Iran, then that sort of managed Obama warned Trump NK would be his most difficult problem.
        
        As for NK they see having nukes as forcing the USA out – whether their goal is merely a peace treaty (whereby the US leaves but also enables a real military threat to the south), or not, no one can be sure.
        
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        April 25, 2017 12:57pm
      - Reid
        
        As for NK they see having nukes as forcing the USA out
        
        No that’s not how it is. NK sees its nukes as the only way to ensure its national survival. It thinks if it didn’t have them, the US, SK and Japan would invade them in a heartbeat. It doesn’t matter if that’s true or not, that’s what they think, about their nuclear forces.
        
        Sadly many people who aren’t schooled in the ways of the geopolotical world tend to assign good-guy bad-guy tags to nations and alliances.
        
        This is a big mistake because in reality, the geopolitical calculations all the players in this NK reaction|counter-reaction dynamic that is unfolding are making, are based on nothing but cold hard data, and both sides are doing this, all the time, 24/7/365.
        
        But if you have a good-guy bad-guy framework overlay in your head when you’re analysing this stuff, you’re screwed, you’ll never get the truth. Because you’ll ascribe motivations where they don’t exist, overlook inconvenient facts, all sorts of inaccuracies creep in.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:23pm
      - SPC
        
        Misses the point.
        
        The NK regime is not secure until the cease-fire becomes a peace. It raises the stakes to coerce a settlement. A peace results in the US leaving.
        
        Any military imbalance between NK and SK once there is this peace, can be used to extort economic aid. This vulnerability is greater if assistance to SK is deterred by NK having nukes.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:30pm
      - Reid
        
        The NK regime is not secure until the cease-fire becomes a peace. It raises the stakes to coerce a settlement. A peace results in the US leaving.
        
        Any military imbalance between NK and SK once there is this peace, can be used to extort economic aid. This vulnerability is greater if assistance to SK is deterred by NK having nukes.
        
        NK doesn’t give a shit about a piece of paper that says peace. That’s not what motivates it. And that’s not why it’s doing what it’s doing. Yes it does want the US out of SK but it’s happy enough behind its emplacements and it doesn’t have a need to do anything aggresive but merely be left alone. Some people apparently believe Western MSM when they pretend missile tests are “aggressive.” Does that mean everytime the US fires a test at White Sands, its being “aggressive?” Apparently, according to Western MSM, it does. Alternatively, Western MSM is full of shit so no-one should believe a word of what it says. Ever.
        
        I’m sorry SPC but I disagree with your analysis, I just don’t think what you describe is the motivation behind what’s happening over there.
        
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        April 25, 2017 2:10pm
      - SPC
        
        Well given NK was safe from repercussion for its attack on the South because of the Chinese military securing a cease-fire and then China gaining a place on the UNSC – any fear to its continuance only comes from the lack of a peace treaty.
        
        Unless they are simply paranoid, acquiring nukes is about changing the status quo, not preserving it.
        
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        April 25, 2017 2:24pm
    - Inandout
      
      Seems about time to roll out an SDI look alike.
      
      http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/president-reagan-calls-for-launching-star-wars-initiative-march-23-1983-236259
      
      Today’s brilliant Israeli technology could have a missile defence system up and running in no time.
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:57am
oldpark

See Michael Woodhouse has got involved in the pathetic stupid decision by Immigration Depts decision to grant a convicted three time loser Aghanistan sex offender an extension to remain in NZ. Seems Mr Woodhouse,will not be taking any crap,from the pathetic Immigration Dept,all signs are the scumbag Afghanistan sex pervert ,will be outski, to whence he came. Well done to Mr Woodhouse,who has listened to a very angry public opinion,and please explains.
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April 25, 2017 9:09am
- dad4justice
  
  If Woodhouse is true to his word and deports this barbaric animal back to where it belongs then it is good news for New Zealand.
  
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  April 25, 2017 9:17am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    The barbaric muslim animal back to
    
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    April 25, 2017 9:43am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    And hopefully an example to others that we are not such a soft touch.
    
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    April 25, 2017 12:18pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And the prick official in Immigration who made this terrible decision needs to get the DCM.
  But does this ever happen to public servants?
  
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  April 25, 2017 9:27am
  - holysheet
    
    Ask milky, I am sure he is on a final warning.
    
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    April 25, 2017 10:15am
    - mikenmild
      
      For what?
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:47am
      - jims_whare
        
        hmmmm 28925 comments. Many made during office hours?
        
        Very productive employee I’m sure.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:12am
      - mikenmild
        
        What are office hours?
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:57am
    - holysheet
      
      If you have to ask, then you are dumber than we thought
      
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      April 25, 2017 10:51am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Most government ministers operate their offices with a “no surprises” policy, so Woodhouse won’t have been happy to be ambushed like this. Kudos to him for responding by “temporarily” stripping Immigration NZ officials of the right to make decisions to suspend extradition.
  
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  April 25, 2017 2:55pm
lastmanstanding

Manolo Looks like we going to see some direct action against Fat Boy. The problem is does the US act now to take Fat Boy out or wait until he unleashes a nuke and then act.

And of course the ANTIS will then blame Trump for NOT acting blah blah blah usual bullshit.

Chances are is not if but when Fat Boy presses the red button hes got to show his people hes the strong man. Hes painted himself into a corner now.

Actions could be non nuke strike on nuke facilities to take them out. Less likely is decapitation because fat Boy would be replaced by the HOD I guess.
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April 25, 2017 9:37am
lastmanstanding

Capt. Not only that we need to see the names of all involved from the CEO down the chain. Time they were held accountable for their actions instead of hiding behind Mummys skirts like the cowards always do.

Time to put the SERVANT back into public servant.
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April 25, 2017 9:39am
kowtow

A bit more of that diversity dividend?

“Secrecy has deepened over the case of a New Zealand woman who had her passport cancelled with a High Court Judge granting a belated request for name suppression.”…….

…….”The decision was made using legislation applicable if the minister believed she was intending to facilitate or engage in terrorism in a country other than New Zealand or proliferate weapons of mass destruction.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11844045
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April 25, 2017 10:05am
- Southern Raider
  
  But i saw on Facebook yesterday a group saying we should have nothing to do with US defence engagements as NZ has nothing to fear and no terrorists exist here
  
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  April 25, 2017 12:16pm
Stars And Stripes

Same-sex couple’s Rarotongan wedding dream dashed
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11844399

Couple of dykes having a whinge about not being able to claim their prize because same sex marriage is not legal in the Cook Islands.
Personally however I doubt they are lesbians as when you look at the photo they are reasonably attractive.
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April 25, 2017 10:22am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Bloody lazy down tickers. Not all lesbians are unattractive. Alison Mau would be just one example. Do you disagree?
  
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  April 25, 2017 10:57am
  - SPC
    
    Whereas she would an example was her partner.
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:13am
  - geoff3012
    
    No. But, she is bloody stupid
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:14am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    I think you mean bloody lazy uptickers Chuck otherwise your reply makes no sense to me unfortunately.
    BTW I have never seen you display much sympathy for homosexuals or lesbians on KB previously so what’s changed?.
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:19am
    - holysheet
      
      Maybe one of these dykes is his daughter or a relation has come out?
      
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      April 25, 2017 11:40am
  - stigie
    
    That is just one example Chuck, but pretty much all dykes are unattractive to the hetrosexual, not sure about the ecosexual though..?
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:23am
    - stephieboy
      
      stigie , based on personal experience online leso porn ?
      
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      April 25, 2017 3:31pm
- Disaster Area
  
  If you think lesbians are unattractive, you’ve obviously been watching different videos to me 😉
  
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  April 25, 2017 11:51am
  - mikenmild
    
    Comment of the day!
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:58am
VicParking

I wont hold my breath over Woodhouse’s actions.
Its a loose loose situation. I do hope he does toss the scum bag out but its a situation the Liebags/GreenFarties will jump on as a Minister directly getting involved in the administative process. There was a hint of this in his statement: ” So I am temporarily suspending Immigration NZ’s decision-making authorityl”. No hint of a reversal
I notice also the failing newspaper has now gone silent on the subject. I suspect they are waiting to pounce.
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April 25, 2017 10:27am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Yes unfortunately I think you are right.
  Mohammed is not going anywhere.
  
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  April 25, 2017 10:33am
Harriet

Emmanuel Macron

Declared his love for his school teacher at 16 – and said he would marry her — a married mother of three.

He did!!!

And they are still married — the French President will be 39 —- and the first lady 64!!!!!! 😎
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April 25, 2017 11:24am
Fletch

Watch, as Bill Nye “the science guy” introduces a performer who sings about “gender diversity” – an idea that is not science-based at all.

https://twitter.com/awyattman88/status/856323621173825536/video/1

Cringeworthy and awful. Just awful. Warning – cannot be unseen…
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April 25, 2017 11:26am
- Harriet
  
  Cringe worthy alright “My sex junk is better than either or, my vagina has a voice.”
  
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  April 25, 2017 11:33am
- Disaster Area
  
  Read this if you believe that there are only two genders.
  You can’t tell for sure if an athlete is a man or a woman just by glancing at his or her genitalia. That’s because some people are born with ambiguous sex organs, and others have a visible anatomy that doesn’t match up with their sex chromosomes. Fears that male Olympic athletes might be competing as women led to mandatory physicals for females in the 1960s, which soon gave way to chromosome-based gender testing. Officials collected mouth scrapings and ran a simple test for the presence of two X chromosomes. The method proved to be unreliable, since it’s possible for a biological male to have an extra X chromosome (XXY) or a female to only have one X chromosome.
  
  The gender of an embryo is determined during its early development. If certain sex-determining genes are present, the fetus will develop testes, which in turn produce testosterone. It’s the testosterone that makes the fetus into a boy. The genes that are important for this switch are generally located on the Y chromosome. By the 1992 Winter Games, officials started testing for one of these genes, called SRY—if you had it, you couldn’t compete as a woman.
  
  That test didn’t work, either. Having the SRY gene material, or even a Y chromosome, doesn’t always make you a man. Some people born with a Y chromosome develop all the physical characteristics of a woman except internal female sex organs. This can result from a defect in one of the genes that allows the body to process testosterone. Someone with this condition (known as “androgen insensitivity syndrome”) might be XY, and she might develop testes. But she’ll end up a woman, because her body never responds to the testosterone she’s producing. Other signs of AIS include hairless genitalia and the absence of menstruation. (There are reports that Soundararajan had “not attained puberty yet.”)
  
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  April 25, 2017 11:58am
  - mikenmild
    
    Stop interrupting the bigotry with facts.
    
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    April 25, 2017 11:59am
  - Fletch
    
    There are only two genders (as well as the occasional hermaphodite). What you’re talking about is very, very rare. Most people are born with either a penis or a vagina and it is very clear which gender they are. That is science.
    
    The idea that there are only two genders, male or female, and that you have to be born either one or the other is a basic truth acknowledged by most people. Biologically, it is irrefutable: humans are a sexually dimorphic species. The only exceptions are the tiny minority of intersex people, who in very rare cases are born with chromosomal types that do not align with regular male-female patterns.
    
    That’s the only exception. If you are not intersex, you are a man or a woman. You certainly aren’t one of Facebook’s 58 gender options, which extend to “lesboflexible,” “agender” and “pansexual.”
    
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    April 25, 2017 12:08pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Breitbart wouldn’t be my go-to for scientific information, but, hey, wingnuts gotta be wingnuts.
      
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      April 25, 2017 12:12pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      Fletch, its almost as if you didn’t read what I posted at all.
      From the WHO:
      ‘Humans are born with 46 chromosomes in 23 pairs. The X and Y chromosomes determine a person’s sex. Most women are 46XX and most men are 46XY. Research suggests, however, that in a few births per thousand some individuals will be born with a single sex chromosome (45X or 45Y) (sex monosomies) and some with three or more sex chromosomes (47XXX, 47XYY or 47XXY, etc.) (sex polysomies). In addition, some males are born 46XX due to the translocation of a tiny section of the sex determining region of the Y chromosome. Similarly some females are also born 46XY due to mutations in the Y chromosome. Clearly, there are not only females who are XX and males who are XY, but rather, there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex.’
      
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      April 25, 2017 12:23pm
      - Fletch
        
        And that shows up how? You’re talking on a micro level. I doubt that the people who have these chromosome abnormalities even know. They are still physically and biologically either male or female and it’s easy to tell which. What you’re citing has nothing to do with, say, Bruce Jenner claiming that he is really a woman when he clearly isn’t. Ditto for Len Hubbard’s son claiming he is female and winning at women’s weightlifting. He is clearly a guy. Look at the photo of him in this article and tell me different.
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/90607448/Aussie-not-happy-after-transgender-weightlifter-Laurel-Hubbard-achieves-New-Zealand-sporting-first
        
        I’d be interested in comparing the actual individuals with different chromosome counts that you cite with “trans” individuals who claim to be of a different gender to what they biologically are. I bet there is no correlation.
        
        Your article is the equivalent of science grasping for straws – for anything to try and validate the transgender or gender equality theories when there are none.
        
        We are either male or female. Get used to it. What is amusing to me is ‘Caitlin’ Jenner being labelled “Woman of the Year” by that magazine. I’m surprised the feminists didn’t jump up and down seeing as a man can be a better woman than a woman could be and win an award for it.
        
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        April 25, 2017 12:33pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        Fletch,
        When you say ‘they are still physically and biologically either male or female and it’s easy to tell which’ you are ignoring the part in the WHO quote which says:
        
        ‘there is a range of chromosome complements, hormone balances, and phenotypic variations that determine sex’
        
        and the first two sentences of the Slate.com article which says
        
        ‘You can’t tell for sure if an athlete is a man or a woman just by glancing at his or her genitalia. That’s because some people are born with ambiguous sex organs, and others have a visible anatomy that doesn’t match up with their sex chromosomes’
        
        Have a read of this: http://www.apa.org/monitor/apr04/gender.aspx
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:07pm
      - Fletch
        
        I would say that people who display these characteristics are very, very rare. I looked up the number on the Intersex Society of North America website, and it says that the number of people born “Not XX and not XY” is one in 1,666 births, which is 0.06%.
        
        To be honest, I doubt that this subject has anything to do with trans issues or gender diversity. It’s a red herring. The trans issue is something completely different and not related to chromosome science at all. It is about male or female individuals claiming that they are the opposite sex of what they biologically are. Nothing to do with the people who are unfortunately born intersex.
        
        Full marks though on trying to lead the subject off into another matter entirely.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:27pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        Fletch,
        The fact that these people are rare (although 0.06% of 4 million babies in the US alone is still quite a large number) does not change the fact that they exist.
        You are pivoting away from the central point of your post that says
        ‘Most people are born with either a penis or a vagina and it is very clear which gender they are. That is science.’
        
        The science says that gender is not clear cut.
        To paraphrase Martin Luther King: I long for the day when a person is judged by the content of their heart not by their genitals and how they use them.
        
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        April 25, 2017 1:49pm
      - Fletch
        
        I would say that the science is pretty clear cut but, again, you are veering away from the actual issue. Is there scientific proof that a person is the sex they say they are? Is it based in scientific reality when Bruce Jenner says he is a woman? That is the real question, and I would say that it is not, and it is a totally different issue to the intersex one.
        
        Tell me what the scientific proof is that I am a woman merely by saying that I am? There is none.
        
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        April 25, 2017 2:10pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        I again point you to the first paragraph of one of your posts:
        There are only two genders (as well as the occasional hermaphodite). What you’re talking about is very, very rare. Most people are born with either a penis or a vagina and it is very clear which gender they are. That is science.
        
        I have presented you with evidence that is not true. You then ask about gender identity and people who identify as transgender
        
        I’m not too sure what you would qualify as ‘science’ but this page from the American Psychological Association might be of use.
        http://www.apa.org/topics/lgbt/transgender.aspx.
        There is also this page from Harvard: http://sitn.hms.harvard.edu/flash/2016/gender-lines-science-transgender-identity/
        and this, from Scientific American:
        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/is-there-something-unique-about-the-transgender-brain/
        
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        April 25, 2017 2:50pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Disaster Area. I was reading about some research a few days ago, I forget where, that indicated people confronted with scientific information which conflicts with their prejudices will simply re-affirm their prejudices. It is a form of dissonance.
        If Fletch runs out of bogus science references, he’ll just fall back on something biblical.
        Evidence doesn’t count – it’s how he feels about something. Ironically, this is the same thing he accuses transgender people of doing.
        
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        April 25, 2017 2:57pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Transgender is a psychiatric affliction which is probably best treated via institutionalization and a lobotomy.
        
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        April 25, 2017 3:05pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        To be honest, whether someone ‘believes’ another person when they talk about gender identity or not isn’t what I care about; Whether the two people treat each other with dignity and respect is.
        
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        April 25, 2017 3:06pm
      - Fletch
        
        Sure, I believe in treating all people with respect. I do not believe that all of society must indulge their fantasy and adapt things like women’s sports, restrooms, and the like to accomodate them. Again, I’m sorry, but a man cannot be a woman just be saying he is. He will never give birth, never produce milk, never have the same nurturing characteristics that a person of the female sex does. He is playing make-believe and asking the rest of society to play along with him.
        
        Seeing that the rate of suicide is something like 10 times higher for trans people (even after they transition) I believe it is harmful behaviour to encourage. Most studies indicate that a full 40 percent of gender-confused individuals attempt suicide.
        
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        April 25, 2017 3:12pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        Men lactating:
        Research has shown that male prolactin levels can also surge, according to a 2008 review on male lactation published in the journal Trends in Ecology and Evolution.
        
        For instance, scientists documented lactation in male WWII prison camp survivors, who had suffered months of starvation. After receiving adequate nutrition, their hormone-producing glands rebounded far quicker than their livers (which normally metabolize hormones), resulting in hormonal spikes that caused lactation.
        
        Similarly, a condition called liver cirrhosis can cause lactation by disrupting the organ’s normal, hormone-metabolizing function.
        
        Health issues that affect the pituitary gland or the hypothalamus, which normally inhibits the release of prolactin, can also cause male milk production.
        
        For example, a 2010 study published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal documented lactation in a man with a pituitary tumor.
        
        Men getting pregnant: Not yet, but hang on a few years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_pregnancy#Humans
        
        And as for ‘
        Seeing that the rate of suicide is something like 10 times higher for trans people (even after they transition) I believe it is harmful behaviour to encourage. Most studies indicate that a full 40 percent of gender-confused individuals attempt suicide.’
        Do you not think that this could be due to the attitudes, comments and opinions that very vulnerable people experience due to misinformed and bigoted viewpoints?
        After all, if these people are supported and not judged, that’s hardly going to make them feel worse is it?
        
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        April 25, 2017 4:02pm
    - chiz
      
      Most people are born with either a penis or a vagina and it is very clear which gender they are. That is science.
      
      You are confusing body gender with brain gender. The whole point of gender dysphoria is that the brain’s gender differs from the body’s.
      
      Embryos start off as female and are masculinized by the SRY gene. This gene is normally found on the Y chromosome which is why most men have a Y chromosome. There are rare cases of XY women because the part of the Y that contains the SRY gene has become dislodged and attached itself to an X chromosome and there are rare cases of XY women because their Y chromosome has accidentally lost the part the contains the SRY gene.
      
      Although the SRY gene is involved in masculinizing the embryo it doesn’t do it directly, instead it does it by activating a number of pathways with each different pathway handling one particular aspect of the process. The most likely explanation for gender dysphoria in men, in my view, is that one, but only one, of the other pathways has sustained a genetic mutation which prevents it from working. The result is that although they have a copy of the SRY gene it doesn’t completely work – their body masculinizes but their brain doesn’t.
      
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      April 25, 2017 2:59pm
      - Fletch
        
        Come on. You don’t really believe that a man can become a woman just be saying he is, do you? I don’t believe that. I don’t believe anyone really believes that if they stop and think about it for a second. If you do, you’re just brainwashed. Use a little common sense.
        
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        April 25, 2017 9:06pm
      - chiz
        
        You don’t really believe that a man can become a woman just be saying he is, do you?
        
        Did you even read what I wrote? The brain has its own gender separate from the body. Normally its gender will match the body’s but people with gender dysphoria have a brain gender separate from their body’s. My own view, as explained in my previous comment, is that people with gender dysphoria have a genetic mutation that causes the development of brain gender to go astray, without affecting the rest of the body.
        
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        April 25, 2017 11:09pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    KISS why do we have to overcomplicate things.
    Sugar and spice and all things nice are what little girls are made of whereas boys are made of snips? and snails and puppy dog’s tails.
    What on earth are snips, other than shears that is?
    Anyway two types!!!
    
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    April 25, 2017 2:49pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Snips?
      I believe it was slugs and snails and puppy dog’s tails. ?
      
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      April 25, 2017 5:27pm
  - Jack5
    
    This article may be relevant to this discussion:
    
    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015/11/brains-men-and-women-aren-t-really-different-study-finds
    
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    April 25, 2017 5:30pm
Fletch

Just coming to light now – according to an investigation by Politico (hardly a right-wing site), Obama freed Iranian arms smugglers to sweeten his Iran deal.

The Obama administration freed or otherwise failed to prosecute Iranian arms smugglers in an effort to secure the 2015 nuclear deal, according to an investigation by Politico.

The administration released seven individuals, six who were Iranian-Americans, on Jan. 17, 2016, in exchange for four U.S. citizens, including Washington Post reporter Jason Rezaian. The former president also gave Iran a $1.7 billion cash payment, dropped charges, and cancelled Interpol notices on 14 other fugitives also involved in smuggling.

Obama officials attempted to present the seven individuals as “civilians” charged with trade embargo offenses, but they were actually involved in arms smuggling on behalf of the Iranian military. Obama’s Justice Department prosecuted some of these individuals for posing a threat to national security.

“They didn’t just dismiss a bunch of innocent business guys,” a former federal law enforcement supervisor involved in investigations on Iranian arms smuggling said. “And then they didn’t give a full story of it.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/obama-freed-iranian-arms-smugglers-to-sweeten-his-nuclear-deal/

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/24/obama-iran-nuclear-deal-prisoner-release-236966

Obama, the gift that just keeps on giving.
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April 25, 2017 11:38am
Fletch

Former Obama official admits that bureaucrats manipulate climate data to serve their own ends.

Former Energy Department Undersecretary Steven Koonin told The Wall Street Journal Monday that bureaucrats within former President Barack Obama’s administration spun scientific data to manipulate public opinion.

“What you saw coming out of the press releases about climate data, climate analysis, was, I’d say, misleading, sometimes just wrong,” Koonin said, referring to elements within the Obama administration he said were responsible for manipulating climate data.

He pointed to a National Climate Assessment in 2014 showing hurricane activity has increased from 1980 as an illustration of how federal agencies fudged climate data. Koonin said the NCA’s assessment was technically incorrect.

“What they forgot to tell you, and you don’t know until you read all the way into the fine print is that it actually decreased in the decades before that,” he said. The U.N. published reports in 2014 essentially mirroring Koonin’s argument.

The United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change reported there “is limited evidence of changes in extremes associated with other climate variables since the mid-20th century” and current data shows “no significant observed trends in global tropical cyclone frequency over the past century.”

Press officers work with scientists within agencies like the National Oceanic Administration (NOAA) and NASA and are responsible for crafting misleading press releases on climate, he added.

Koonin, who served under Obama from 2009 to 2011, went on to lament the politicization of science suggested that the ethos should be to “tell it like it is. You’re a scientist and it is your responsibility to put the facts on the table.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/24/former-obama-official-says-climate-data-was-often-misleading-and-wrong/

http://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-journal-how-government-twists-climate-statistics/80027CBC-2C36-4930-AB0B-9C3344B6E199.html?mod=trending_now_video_3
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April 25, 2017 11:43am
Stars And Stripes

Police called to raucous RSA meeting as Gisborne executive voted out
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11844680
“Three days before Anzac Day, members of the Gisborne RSA voted to remove the branch’s entire executive in a meeting that culminated in police being called.
Police were called to the RSA in response to an altercation that developed after the special meeting”.

Involved in this Maggy W?.
Nothing like a chick fight with hair pulling, pinching and biting to get the bystanders going.
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April 25, 2017 12:04pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Maggy was not there otherwise the auckland chip wrapper would have led with ‘Lady in gumboots with garden fork brings meeting to order’
  
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  April 25, 2017 12:23pm
- sam green
  
  I bet she was knitting as the heads rolled.
  
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  April 25, 2017 12:52pm
Fletch

Matt Walsh makes the point that there is no universal right to not be discriminated against.

If a church, Christian school, or pastor does have the constitutional right to the free exercise of religion, then they must have the right to discriminate. Exercising your religion means abiding by the moral doctrines of your religion, and a moral doctrine by its very nature excludes and discriminates against activities it deems immoral. So the right to the free exercise of religion, if it exists at all, does absolutely guarantee “the right to discriminate.” If it does not, then there is no freedom of religion. And, if you’re keeping up, you know that’s the whole point: there is no longer true freedom of religion in America. Not anymore.

Discriminate: “to make a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing on the basis of the group, class, or category to which the person or thing belongs”; “show partiality”; “to note or observe a difference”; “to distinguish”; “to differentiate.”

When you choose not to partake in a gay wedding, you are making a distinction against it based on the category to which it belongs. You are showing partiality. You are observing a difference. You are distinguishing. You are differentiating. You are discriminating. And so what?
There is no universal right to not be discriminated against. I realize that we have invented this right, but it does not actually exist as a constitutional or moral reality. To say that we have the right to be free from discrimination is to say that no individual can ever make a distinction in favor of or against us or our actions based on group, class, or category. This is ludicrous on its face. We all engage in this sort of discrimination on a daily basis. We all decide whom to associate with, and in what manner, and to what degree, and in what form, based on, yes, discrimination. Whether positive or negative, critical or complimentary, we discriminate—make distinctions, decide for or against—all the time. It’s part of being human.

If you chose to wear a blue shirt today rather than a brown shirt, you discriminated. If you made a choice between one thing and another, if you drew conclusions based on available evidence, if you rejected anyone or anything for any reason, you discriminated.

These photography businesses and wedding venues aren’t run by the State; they’re run by people, and those people do all sorts of discerning over whom they do business with and the manner in which they do it. It would be rather impossible to run any sort of successful enterprise otherwise.
Let’s look at this another way. The right to discriminate—that is, the right of a private individual to make decisions in favor of or against another individual or activity—is an active right. It protects my ability to do and say things. It protects, or it is supposed to protect, my power to exercise agency over myself, my property, and my business. That is the nature of a human right, and human rights are elemental principles that speak to our inherent dignity and worth as rational beings. That’s why the Declaration of Independence outlines “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” proposing that all people should be granted these things, because we are entitled to them by the very nature of our humanity.
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April 25, 2017 12:16pm
- Disaster Area
  
  The problem starts when one person’s right to practice religion starts to infringe on another person’s rights.
  
  My point is that ‘the church’ seems to be somewhat selective about which ‘rules’ to enforce. Leviticus would make a nice start, but if you want to talk New Testament, please remind me of the verses of the Bible in which Jesus talks about homosexuality?
  
  When ‘the church’ decides to take all of the biblical rules as seriously as the one on homosexuality, then I will listen to their arguments more favourably.
  
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  April 25, 2017 1:35pm
  - Fletch
    
    Jesus doesn’t talk specifically about homosexuality, but he does reiterate that God made people male and female and that those are the people who should marry.
    
    And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.” ~ Matthew 19
    
    Paul also makes it very clear in Romans –
    
    For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.
    
    And in 1 Corinthians 6:9–11 –
    
    Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God
    
    And in 1 Timothy 1:10 –
    
    The sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine…
    
    Well, you did ask.
    
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    April 25, 2017 2:01pm
    - mikenmild
      
      So Jesus didn’t address homosexuality (or gender definition) but we should leave it up to Paul to guide us?
      
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      April 25, 2017 2:10pm
      - Fletch
        
        Paul was one of the Apostles – ie, one of the Church leaders, one who speaks for Christ.
        
        He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me. ~ Luke 10:16
        
        “I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. Whatever you prohibit on earth will have been prohibited in heaven, and whatever you permit on earth will have been permitted in heaven.” ~ Matthew 16:19
        
        So, the Church (then and now) may speak in Christ’s name.
        
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        April 25, 2017 3:06pm
      - SPC
        
        It’s like a shell game.
        
        Authority of God replaced by that of his son (in the anthropological sense king’dom/king’man created to serve God then to assume knowledge of good and evil in place of God. Then the authority of the king over Crown law replaced by the church’s authority to declare what is or what is not good or evil for man.
        
        One assumes the covenant nation king signed off on the Torah law, just as the church did the writings in the New Testament (giving status to Paul’s writing).
        
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        April 25, 2017 3:56pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        Fletch,
        Can I get your opinions on this website?
        
        http://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/175-pauls-contradictions-of-jesus.html
        
        and
        http://doctrine.org/jesus-vs-paul/
        
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        April 25, 2017 4:09pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      So out of all of Jesus’ teachings, not one was about homosexuality?
      
      It didn’t even make Moses’ top 10 commandments either.
      
      Out of all of the things going on in the world today, why is some of ‘the church’ so obsessed with sex?
      
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      April 25, 2017 2:55pm
    - SPC
      
      Yeshua a man said not to have married is quoted saying that it was given that man would marry woman.
      
      Then Paul said it was better not to marry but if (defiled) by lust then one should.
      
      Yeshua said nothing as to homosexuality, but Paul a man who is also said not to have married, says that those who know the law know that people are deserving of death for same sex acts.
      
      Quite apart from the fact that there is not one word in Leviticus about the same sex acts of women – Paul is making this stuff up, it goes against any teaching within Christendom that the law was done away with for the purpose of judging men or women to death.
      
      Some apostle.
      
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      April 25, 2017 3:31pm
- Disaster Area
  
  Discriminate: “to make a distinction in favor of or against a person or thing on the basis of the group, class, or category to which the person or thing belongs”; “show partiality”; “to note or observe a difference”; “to distinguish”; “to differentiate.”
  
  By, say denying a group a right normally afford to other members of society? Like getting married?
  Or paying tax? Oh wait, Churches don’t do that, do they?
  
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  April 25, 2017 4:04pm
Hugh Pavletich

Barfoot & Thompson had a 27% success rate at last week’s auctions; 12% at Manukau auction; 34% on the North Shore | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87301/barfoot-thompson-had-27-success-rate-last-weeks-auctions-12-manukau-auction-34-north

Barfoot and Thompson sold 36 of the 133 residential properties the firm marketed for sale by auction last week, giving a sales clearance rate of 27%.

The 97 properties that remained unsold by 5pm the day after the auction included five that were withdrawn from sale and two that had their auction dates postponed.

The auction rooms are normally a bit quieter than normal in the weeks either side of the Easter break and that was the case again this year. … read more via hyperlink above …
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April 25, 2017 12:21pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Thanks but no thanks and I am on the Northshore
  
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  April 25, 2017 12:24pm
- fernglas
  
  Listen, Hugh, I am one of those people who has almost never made a farthing out of property. I have owned leaky buildings, flood prone buildings, and land subject to subsidence. I have almost always bought at the peak and had to sell in a trough. I bought houses so my kids could be close to school and they changed the zoning. I ploughed money into fixing up defects that had been concealed by others and did unnecessary remedial work so some other bastard could have the benefit. I am sick and fucking tired of seeing articles in the paper about how people have made a fortune in the time it takes me to have a shit. I am bored to death with the fact that all people talk about around the table is how much real estate they own and how much they have made from it. The whole thing is an absurd national obsession, and you, my son, seem to be revelling in it with your inane and long-winded posts about how the place I currently own is going to collapse in price, making me believe that all the work I did to set myself up for a moderately secure life is to no avail. Well, you know what? Fuck you, fuck everyone whose life revolves around the value of their portfolio instead of the quality of their life and the love of their family, and above all, fuck those clowns in the media who keep telling my kids what a selfish prick I am for putting a roof over their heads for their entire lives.
  
  Thanks for listening.
  
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  April 25, 2017 1:58pm
  - GoVege
    
    You go for it, fernglas!!
    (And I’m sure your kids secretly appreciate you and their friends envy them.)
    
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    April 25, 2017 3:02pm
  - wiseowl
    
    Good one fernglas
    when I see a TV programme on real estate fronted by an immigrant that invites other guests who have been here five minutes and are also immigrants and spout off about being millionaires after five years , while I have been quietly producing a little contribution in export income annually for the country I think why fuckin bother .
    
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    April 25, 2017 4:07pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is how to rant.
    10/10.
    
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    April 25, 2017 4:11pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    +10 fernglas
    
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    April 25, 2017 5:46pm
  - waitakereman
    
    Well said Fernglas!!!
    
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    April 26, 2017 9:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Hugh:
  
  Who
  Gives
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  Fuck
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  April 25, 2017 3:25pm
VicParking

They will be giving houses away with each purchase of P in a few years.
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April 25, 2017 12:52pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/91899955/police-cordon-off-christchurch-street-after-firearms-scare

Since when do we get panicky about seeing a gun in a car?

Unless the gun is being brandished, or is being left unattended, it is perfectly fine for a licensed person to have a gun in their car with them.
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April 25, 2017 1:29pm
Happychappy

Another Senior Police.Officer accused of a sexual crime in Northland relating to happening in another district ten years ago. Three or four other officers say they are looking for new jobs because the name of the accused has been withheld leaving a stigma where others are looking at mates wondering whether it is them.
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April 25, 2017 1:49pm
jonar

Anyone noticed the hypocrisy on KB now that it’s Anzac day? Free speech is no longer allowed apparently. War protesters don’t have Free speech rights. It’d be interesting to see the response if a non-pc comment was made about the war dead.
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April 25, 2017 1:50pm
- Reid
  
  pc doesn’t apply to war-dead jonar. Honouring them is a human thing. If you dishonour them then you’re not being anti-pc, you’re being anti-human. Is that what you want to be?
  
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  April 25, 2017 2:34pm
- MT_Tinman
  
  Free speech does not mean that you can’t be shouted down by others exercising their free speech, particularly if your speech is deliberately offensive.
  
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  April 25, 2017 2:38pm
  - jonar
    
    So you agree with campus protests against those with offensive views?
    
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    April 25, 2017 3:22pm
- cmm
  
  Jonar, there is a huge difference between protesting war and making abusing attacks on the integrity of soldiers.
  
  War is a bastard, no matter which side you’re on. Slag it off all you want.
  
  But slagging off soldiers is a completely different matter.
  
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  April 25, 2017 3:23pm
Manolo

Not going out quietly:
http://www.wnd.com/2017/04/oreilly-goes-public-after-fox-ouster-youre-going-to-be-shaken/
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April 25, 2017 3:02pm
Viking2

Bryan Gould: Jim Bolger a decent and humane man

Jim Bolger will have surprised a few people this week. In an interview with Guyon Espiner of National Radio, the former National Prime Minister expressed the view that “neo-liberal” economic policies have failed, and that an important aspect of that failure has been that most of such new wealth as has been created has gone to the richest people in society.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/bay-of-plenty-times/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503343&objectid=11844178
You know you have made it to the left when Gould starts praising you.
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April 25, 2017 3:32pm
Reid

The curse of the Omen movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuErxV8wpTw
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April 25, 2017 4:03pm
Nostradamus

Ian Verrender has made an interesting contribution to the immigration debate in an Australian context:

There’s a fairly simple relationship between immigration and economic growth. The more people you have, the bigger your economy. More people buy more goods and services.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with boosting your growth through immigration.

But the crime committed by Australian governments of all persuasions in the past 20 years is that, while they’ve been happy to accept the kudos for economic growth, they’ve been totally unwilling to spend the necessary cash to ensure the economy can cope with such a dramatic influx of new arrivals. In essence, they’ve cooked the books. As a result, many of our major cities are choking. Our infrastructure is obsolete. Utilities are struggling. That, in turn, has adversely affected our productivity and led to further distortions in how our wealth is distributed.

The problem for Australia is that they have a structural budget deficit, and there’s no political consensus on how to fix it, so it’s not easy to see how they’ll address the infrastructure problem.
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April 25, 2017 5:36pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I suggest they’ll ‘address’ the lack of political consensus, and their infrastructure problems in the same way, as has become common: A new prime minister. Then another. The Another 😀
  
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  April 25, 2017 5:43pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Krazykiwi:
    
    I’m sure Kevin Rudd is ready and willing to have another go!
    
    Botswana has emerged as the country that offered to sponsor Kevin Rudd’s bid for the top job at the UN.
    
    Kevin Rudd missed out in the UN gig, but with a heavyweight nation like Botswana supporting him, he’s making a strong case to become Australian PM again!
    
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    April 25, 2017 5:55pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Perhaps he should move to Botswana and open a detective agency.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_No._1_Ladies%27_Detective_Agency
      
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      April 25, 2017 6:03pm
Nostradamus

Battle of the Titans in the ICC World Cricket League Asia Region Division One – Bhutan v China:

China 56 (20.3 ov)
Bhutan 58/0 (5.1 ov)

Bhutan won by 10 wickets (with 269 balls remaining)

The last 14 balls: 4 4 6 1 1b 4 1 4 • 5wd • • 1 4

Ouch!
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April 25, 2017 5:46pm
- Longknives
  
  China not turning out to be a ‘Superpower’ of World Cricket just yet then?
  
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  April 25, 2017 5:50pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Maybe they’ll give it a proper go if it was an Olympic sport, like rugby sevens.
    
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    April 25, 2017 5:52pm
    - sam green
      
      You trollster you.
      
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      April 25, 2017 6:02pm
- timmydevo
  
  What I like that it seems that both Bhutan and China fielded teams of nationals, rather than teams of expats that the other divisional countries put out!
  
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  April 25, 2017 8:48pm
Nostradamus

Stuff.co.nz poll:

If a piece of cheese was found down the pants of a shoplifter should it go back on the shelf?

No 87%
Yes 13%
(11,000 votes)

Context:

Pak ‘n Save in Blenheim drew the ire of a district court judge on Monday after it was revealed in court that the supermarket placed items found on shoplifters, including meat and cheese, back on the shelf. Judge Bill Hastings was sentencing two German shoplifters on Monday when he remarked his surprise that the supermarket did not seek reparation for the items stashed in their pockets and a backpack [meat and beer].
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April 25, 2017 6:39pm
- nasska
  
  If it was anything like the last block of “tasty” cheese the CEO bought from P&S a German backpacker’s underwear could only have improved the flavour!
  
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  April 25, 2017 6:46pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I’m not a Michelin-starred chef so help me out! Are you suggesting that cheese and German sausage go well together?
    
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    April 25, 2017 6:56pm
    - nasska
      
      The particular cheese I’m referring to could have been repackaged as Palmolive Gold without infringing marketing regulations.
      
      Insipid, tasteless, overpriced muck!
      
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      April 25, 2017 7:09pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Cheese in his trousers!
  Obviously he had not washed for a while.
  
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  April 25, 2017 6:48pm
Viking2

Sean Spicer: “Trump’s tax records are now available, in a safe place for all to see.”

CNN Reporter: “Where is that?”

Sean Spicer: “They’re underneath Obama’s college records, his passport application, his immigration status as a student, his funding source to pay for college, his college records, his selective service registration, and Hillary’s email server log and 66,000 missing emails”

I’m sorry, we could not help ourselves! If you liked that one, Here is another one for you:

President Obama to the Queen of England:

“Your Majesty, how do you run such an efficient government? Are there any tips you can give me?”

“Well,” said the Queen, “The most important thing is to surround yourself with intelligent people.”

Obama frowned, and then asked, “But how do I know if the people around me are really intelligent?”

The Queen took a sip of champagne. “Oh, that’s easy; you just ask them to answer an intelligent riddle, watch.

”The Queen pushed a button on her intercom. “Please send Tony Blair in here, would you?”

Tony Blair walked into the room and said, “Yes, your Majesty?”

The Queen smiled and said, “Answer me this please Tony. Your mother and father have a child. It is not your brother and it is not your sister. Who is it?”

Without pausing for a moment, Tony Blair answered, “That would be me.”

“Yes! Very good.” said the queen.

Obama went back home to ask Joe Biden the same question.

He asked Joe, “Joe, answer this for me. Your mother and your father have a child. It’s not your brother and it’s not your sister. Who is it?”

“I’m not sure,” said Biden. “Let me get back to you on that one.”

Biden went to his advisors and asked everyone, but none could give him an answer.

Frustrated, Biden went to work out in the congressional gym and there he saw Paul Ryan. Biden went up to him and asked, “Hey Paul, see if you can answer this question. Your mother and father have a child and it’s not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”

Biden went up to him and asked, “Hey Paul, see if you can answer this question? Your mother and father have a child and it’s not your brother or your sister. Who is it?”

Paul Ryan answered, “That’s easy, it’s me!”

Biden smiled, and said, “Good answer Paul!”

Biden then went back to speak with President Obama. He said, “I did some research and I have the answer to that riddle.”

He told Obama, “I did some research and I have the answer to that riddle. It’s Paul Ryan!”

Obama got up, stomped over to Biden, and angrily yelled into his face, “No, You idiot! It’s Tony Blair!”
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April 25, 2017 7:08pm
- Manolo
  
  How do you dare to mock the wonderful messiah and American saviour?
  
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  April 25, 2017 11:58pm
Shaun the Sheep

from Newshub
Lisa Owen
Emma Hurley
Mitchell Alexander

Wellington Anzac service marred by protest dispute

An Anzac Dawn Service at the Wellington Cenotaph turned ugly on Tuesday morning as a father and son clashed with protestors.

Newshub was interviewing Ellie Clayton and Laura Drew from Peace Action Wellington, who were part of the protest group, when they were interrupted by David Broome and his 12-year-old son, James Broome-Isa.

They approached the protesters and Jason began yelling at them, saying they should not be there.

“Do it tomorrow, do it the day before, do it any day – but today it is wrong, wrong, wrong,” the boy said.

Three report writers, four people in the story (Ellie, Laura, David, James … and Jason)
Sigh
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April 25, 2017 7:11pm
nasska

A Muslim girl sobs to her teenage heartthrob, “My father says he’ll make sure that I’ll never see you again.”

“How can he, what’s he gonna do?”, the boyfriend asks.

“He’s covering the eye holes in my burqa.”
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April 25, 2017 8:14pm
Nostradamus

If you’ve stayed away from Palmerston North, but desperately want a reason to visit, then the NZ Chilli Eating Champs may be your once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!

(And, to ensure bang for your buck, Notsofast may be available to provide a Lundy tour if he’s given sufficient advance notice.)
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April 25, 2017 9:05pm
Nostradamus

ABC presenter savaged for ‘disrespecting Anzacs’

ABC presenter Yassmin Abdel-Magied has been savaged on social media after suggesting Australians should spare a thought for those on Manus Island and in Syria instead of the Anzacs. The host of the ABC 24’s Australia Wide program fell afoul of Facebook users today when she posted “Lest We Forget (Manus.Nauru. Syria. Palestine)”. She was forced to delete the post after receiving a barrage of comments from irate social users.
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April 25, 2017 9:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Has she no hair?
  
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  April 25, 2017 9:55pm
Manolo

Will our multiculturalist and pious Muslim approve of this animal?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4443104/Victim-filmed-illegal-immigrant-tried-rape-her.html

An illegal immigrant, who tried to rape a teenager as she walked home on a deserted footpath at 2am, has been jailed after she filmed him during the assault.

Bangladesh-born Ashraf Miah, 34, was so desperate to rip off his 18-year-old victim’s clothes, he didn’t realise she was filming him during the attack in Thanet, Kent.
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April 26, 2017 1:02am
Manolo

Not bad for a community organiser and failed POTUS:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/features/2017/04/24/obama-s-400000-cantor-speech-makes-him-wall-streets-newest-fat-cat.html

Former President Barack Obama, less than 100 days out of office, has agreed to speak at a Wall Street conference run by Cantor Fitzgerald LP, senior people at the firm confirm to FOX Business.

His speaking fee will be $400,000, which is nearly twice as much as Hillary Clinton, his secretary of state, and the 2016 Democratic Party candidate, charged private businesses for such events.
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April 26, 2017 2:11am
- mikenmild
  
  Although it seems to be more lucrative to be president, when you can charge large fees for your ‘Winter White House’ and have the State Department advertise it for free.
  
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