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Notsofast

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I have been listening to Country Life on suicide this morning.

20 sheep shearers in one man’s recall. There is little we can do to help these people, but with 5 law schools in New Zealand we should take an interest in the tragic case of Mark Lundy.

He did not kill his family, it is not too late to resolve this issue. People who are acquainted with Queens counsels, and judges should draw their attention to this national disgrace.

Now.
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April 22, 2017 8:00am
- sparkhole
  
  Didn’t he already get a retrial?
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:09am
  - Notsofast
    
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    No. He got a revised load of compost. It should have been returned directly to the privy council when the good law enforcers manufactured a new theory.
    But defence were weary and looking forward to retirement and mother England. Except for one stalwart.
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:26am
  - G152
    
    At this point may I remind you that Arthur Thomas had a couple of ‘trials’ and if it hadn’t been for the work of Pat Booth proving the police were liars and planted evidence he’d probably still be in prison
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:36am
    - Notsofast
      
      The acknowledged researcher even by the police is Chris Birt. Pat Booth did a fantastic job, but for some odd reason he arrived at the wrong solution, Jeanette shooting her husband after a fight, feeding the baby for a few days, and calling Len Demler just before shooting herself.
      This is completely wrong, Demler had access to the house and a gun Chris Birt identified. He shot Harvey in the back of the head as he sat, and since the gun took just one 22 bullet, beat his daughter savagely in the head, reloaded and shot her. She had uncovered that day the stark fact he had forged his wife’s will, which had in its original intent to leave the farm to Jeanette.
      
      I am glad you might understand the Lundy case. Thugs were sent to frighten Mark Lundy into settling a debt. He owed 500k to Mr permanently name suppressed. Mr permanently name suppressed in turn owed more than that sum around town. He used the paperwork for Lundy’s debt to promise others, and one of those others became extremely impatient. The New Zealand police know these facts. These facts were presented in court and totally ignored by two juries, but not by the judges in summing up. Your 24 people, dolts and fools.
      
      As so often, the two cases of double murder were about money, but the police are thick as pigshit both times.
      
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      April 22, 2017 11:26am
      - GoVege
        
        I think you’re right on about the Crewe muders Notsofast.
        The trouble with Lundy is his overdone performance at the funeral has prejudiced a lot of people against him.
        
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        April 22, 2017 1:05pm
      - Notsofast
        
        It goes without saying that is not a good reason to
        1. Falsely imprison him.
        2. Leave two thugs to kill again after seeing how easy it is to surprise and fool the cops from out of town.
        3. Set the taxpayer up for the mother of all compensation payouts.
        
        Of course wily Amy Adams will duck and weave her way around that with more disgusting lies and manufactured judicial reports.
        
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        April 22, 2017 3:03pm
    - Liberty
      
      In 40 years you will get the odd bent cop. But in the last 40yrs There has been how many police in service. How many villains have they put away. Harping back to the Thomas case very time
      you get a low life spin a good story to the gullible media. Is getting tedious.
      The reality is since Lundy was removed from the street. There has not been a similar crime
      in Palmerston North.
      
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      April 22, 2017 11:28am
      - Notsofast
        
        Of course there hasn’t. It was a unique set of circumstances.
        Let us think this through.
        Mark Lundy was a successful kitchenware salesman and helped by his wife with the accounts, a commonplace story in small business. He was obviously played for a sucker into paying far too much for grape root cuttings to a charlatan, a charlatan deep in debt, and subsequently bankrupted. Bad people were both sides of this guy, for example was he also growing marijuana hybrids amongst the grape cuttings, and overpromising? This industry was emerging at this time. This guy ended deep in debt, and obviously to the wrong people, not Michael or Keeping Stock for example. The morning of the day the killings happened, there was an altercation.
        
        Here is testimony from 2002, far more relevant than the 2015 debacle.
        
        A friend of Lundy’s, whose name was suppressed, told the court that
        Lundy first told him about a 49-hectare (120-acre) Hawke’s Bay
        property in mid-1999, after hearing how a relative in Australia was
        running a syndicate business involving a 35,000-hectare property.
        
        The man said he was not involved in purchase of the land.
        
        “Mark . . . had a discussion with a viticulturist who informed him
        there was a three-year wait to obtain grafted grape plants suitable to
        go into the land . . . the consultant said to Mark he should grow his
        own rootstock . . . As we had land available, Mark asked if I would be
        interested in growing rootstock . . . so we were supplying plants.”
        
        The witness had not bought shares in the wine-growing venture himself,
        but he had bought about 113,000 root cuttings at a cost of $70,000,
        and was to sell them on to Lundy’s wine venture company at $4.10 plus
        gst a plant, for more than $500,000.
        
        In the meantime, Lundy had set up a company named Winegrowers to fund
        the venture, meeting initial costs of between $80,000 and $100,000.
        Shares in the company were to be sold to the public in $3500 blocks,
        each comprising 1000 $1 shares and a $2500 mortgage bond, creating a
        total capital, if all shares were sold, of $3.5 million.
        
        The land purchase was never completed, however, and the vendor was
        able to start charging Lundy penalty interest at $700 a day.
        
        “I was aware he was paying penalty interest sometime in June or July
        (2000), possibly earlier,” the witness said. “At the end of August
        2000 I believe the penalty interest had reached $90,000.”
        
        He said a meeting took place between himself and Lundy in early or mid
        August, with Lundy concerned that the shares were not selling.
        
        The witness said he recommended that Lundy should pull the plug on the
        venture and face the costs of $190,000.
        
        An agreement was reached for the witness to make inquiries about a
        potential overseas buyer till the end of August.
        
        The discussions yielded a response from a party interested in buying
        perhaps half the vineyard, and a planned meeting with a second
        interested party, he said.
        
        The witness said he had been involved in arranging insurance cover for
        the Lundys including a policy on their property, which had paid out
        $75,000 on Christine’s death. But a planned life insurance policy fell
        through when a medical check showed Lundy to have diabetes and
        Christine to be overweight.
        
        The witness said that on the day of the murders, he had been visited
        by an irate rootstock supplier demanding payment for his grape
        cuttings, but the payment was not due till the next month and the
        witness had called police to his property.
        
        Later that day, he left a message on Lundy’s cellphone sometime after
        7pm to tell him of the event, he said. When Lundy returned the call,
        about 8.30pm, he said he had not had dinner, and had only just
        remembered to ring. He sounded “quite normal”, the witness said.
        
        When he had spoken to Lundy the next day, however, Lundy had been
        “extremely distressed”.
        
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        April 22, 2017 12:05pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Trojan Horse
  
  What exactly does Suicide and Lundy have in common?
  
  Oh and we have to do what you want
  
  Now.
  
  Get Fucked…. now.
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:20am
  - Notsofast
    
    Why get fucked?
    Do you have any facts or opinions to bring to the debate?
    General debate is the subject.
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:23am
    - Jack5
      
      Debate? Lundy is guilty, and he’s had the benefit of two trials at big taxpayer expense.
      
      Notsofast even sneers at England for the English justice system giving Lundy a second trial.
      
      Get a life, Notsofast.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:08am
      - Notsofast
        
        As G152 pounts out Arthur Thomas had two trials and 2 failed appeals. Len Demler killed his daughter when she was about to confront him for forging her mother’s will. The forgery is on display in Chris Birt’s book The Final Chapter. Teina Pora was found guilty in two trials and 2 failed appeals yet no New Zealander thinks him guilty. The Mark Lundy case is the same, police malfeasance is in play, and will be revealed to the public at a time of the choosing of those who have investigated thoroughly.
        
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        April 22, 2017 11:02am
  - GoVege
    
    Burnt the toast this morning, Awww-C-on?
    
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    April 22, 2017 1:08pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Notofast on his hobbyhorse again.
  Lundy did it.
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:37am
  - Notsofast
    
    Utter bullshit Mainwaring. I have explained repeatedly what happened and why. There are killers roaming and they should be apprehended. This is what is expected in civilised society. I find it appalling that you would allow the police to ignore the cleaving asunder of a woman and her child, and arrest and imprison a family man on a business trip to Petone. What protection do you expect for your family?
    
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    April 22, 2017 11:15am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Family man?
      
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      April 22, 2017 11:36am
      - Notsofast
        
        Yes he was a family man through and through.
        Most people are, he was just the same.
        
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        April 22, 2017 12:23pm
- SGA
  
  Notsofast
  
  I have been listening to Country Life on suicide this morning. 20 sheep shearers in one man’s recall. There is little we can do to help these people, …
  
  Did they offer any opinion why sheep shearers appear to have such a high suicide rate? It is bloody hard work, but there is usually a healthy dose of camaraderie in those sort of gangs.
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:43am
  - cmm
    
    In many ways I’m not too surprised.
    
    Sheep shearers are often loners with drifter lifestyles that do not fit in with the rest of society.
    
    That’s just the sort of personality that is prone to suicide.
    
    It is a sad business.
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:02am
    - wiseowl
      
      cmm
      I don’t think it had anything to do with shearing and he was from a big supportive family and young.
      They didn’t say why.
      At the end they mentioned that financial reasons are not common reasons but relationship breakdowns and other issues are more common.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:10am
      - GoVege
        
        A son of the family we bought our first home from apparently did the same, out in a cabin in the sticks.
        Let’s face it….out in the boondocks away from family, no TV.
        Might not take much to tip you over the edge.
        
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        April 22, 2017 1:12pm
    - Inandout
      
      That would then explain why camel shaggers are prone to explosive suicide. The lonely life of the long distance rooter.
      
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      April 22, 2017 10:14am
    - holysheet
      
      bullshit cmm.
      You ever been in a shearing gang and seen them work?
      To be in a shearing gang now days you are not a loner, but have worked your way up from rousy to the last stand shearer, and if you are good enough to the first stand. I have had a bit to do with shearing gangs. Having been in one helps me know a bit about them. For you to call them loners and drifters shows your upbringing as a kaffir hater from the old country. Don’t bring ALL your racist view here to KB.
      
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      April 22, 2017 10:26am
      - peterwn
        
        I know two sheep shearers who were brothers who worked their butts off – aim was to buy a farm. They succeeded and farmed for many years. I know about it as one married my cousin. They are happily retired. The Aussie Workers Union hated NZ shearers – their attitude and work ethic ran rings around Aussie shearers.
        Partner’s nephew was a cow inseminator, in the NZ off season he did the same in UK. Earnings helped set him up in life.
        
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        April 22, 2017 11:16am
      - cmm
        
        Not sure why you call me a kaffir hating racist, but that’s nothing to do with this. For the record I don’t hate blacks (or kaffirs as you seem to prefer calling them).
        
        I agree that shearers are often intensely loyal to each other when they fit together as a team. But if you don’t fit in they let you know about it. They really depend on eachother so it is very much fit in or fuck off.
        
        The point I was trying to make is that many shearers (more than the general population) only really fit into the shearing scene and really struggle to fit into the rest of society. Many like the shearing lifestyle because it is separate from normal society.
        
        NZ shearing isn’t as seasonal as it was, but seasonality causes problems because people go from intense close camaraderie to suddenly being on their own.
        
        That leaves some huge holes to their ability to cope with depression etc. and makes them more vulnerable to suicide.
        
        Exactly the same happens in the military too. Soldiers depend on each other and live in close proximity for a long time. When they demob they’re left on their own devices and military suicide rates are extremely high.
        
        The difference though is that soldiers get a lot of psychological support – shearers get none.
        
        Just remember we’re talking stats here and comparing to the general population. Most shearers don’t top themselves and nor do most soldiers.
        
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        April 22, 2017 7:13pm
  - Notsofast
    
    No opinion at all except the pay follows the work, and maybe there is insufficient work. Check the podcast as always.
    
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    April 22, 2017 11:03am
- Northland Wahine
  
  I find it very distasteful that you use suicide of sheep workers to introduce your rant of the day about Lundy.
  
  Shame on you notsofast
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:25am
  - Notsofast
    
    Is it okay to imprison an innocent man? Legal truth is dissociated from the facts in the case. Shame on you, wahine, for taking not a passing interest along with your fellow bloggers in the irrefutable scientific facts that led the privy council to the conclusion there was a miscarriage of justice.
    Lundy has been destroyed by your friends in parliament and the judiciary. They are without shame thus far, and we can expect them to fight paying compensation till the end of time.
    Disgusting.
    
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    April 22, 2017 11:07am
- jims_whare
  
  Perhaps this comment indicates that cellphones are still be smuggled into Prison.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:46am
  - Notsofast
    
    No, I have met the facts, not the man.
    
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    April 22, 2017 11:08am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Why not meet them man?
      
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      April 22, 2017 1:38pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Why not meet the man? I guess you mean.
        
        My understanding is he is in Rangipo prison and categorised as a prisoner in denial. That is the depravity the system stoops to, after stealing his liberty with much malice aforethought.
        He is a strong and reilient man as is often the case when a man is thumped by society and the state which is purported to represent its citizens with fairness.
        I don’t understand how you can all pretend this isn’t happening.
        I don’t understand down ticking triple checked facts that are available for everyone.
        The appeal court has a problem though. In order to please their political masters and deny a pending appeal they must write a succession of bare faced lies.
        
        Again.
        
        Such a decision will be shredded immediately by those who know the facts.
        
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        April 22, 2017 3:14pm
- Longknives
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flogging_a_dead_horse
  
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  April 22, 2017 10:03am
  - Notsofast
    
    At least you are civil. Thank you for that.
    
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    April 22, 2017 11:09am
duggledog

Good luck France. Vote Le Pen, the ‘hard right’ candidate.

‘Hard Right’ my ass. All power to her.
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April 22, 2017 8:01am
- PhilBest
  
  The label “hard right” has more and more come to mean that the person thus being labelled, is a victim of a leftist-progressive campaign of hate and lies.
  
  One consequence of this is that the rare real “hard right” white supremacist can’t be distinguished by reason of the label applied to them. What does the Media Party do, when they ran out of “extremist” labels at the point on the political spectrum of Tony Abbott and George W. Bush?
  
  I guess the illusion they are trying to maintain is that Abbott and Bush, Trump and Bannon, Le Pen and Farage, David Duke and Hitler, are all the same essential stuff and degrees of labelling are superfluous.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:02am
- PhilBest
  
  I have been assuming for years that Pauline Hanson really was what the media said she is, even though I saw through their labelling of people like Abbott, Bush, Brash, Farage and Trump. But last year Dick Smith endorsed Hanson, saying he was satisfied after a discussion with her, that she was not a racist at all. Funny enough, I find it easy to believe him and easy to believe that the MSM were just being smear-campaigning ratbags all along.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:06am
  - mikenmild
    
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    Pauline Hanson is just a confused moron mouthing on about stuff she doesn’t understand.
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:15am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Maybe if you used terms other than meaningless and childish slanders such as ‘moron’ we might take your viewpoints more seriously.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:39am
      - mikenmild
        
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        Moron is the technically accurate term for people like Hanson, and the people who support her.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:41am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hansen has had enough of the ABC. She has told Turnbull that if he wants her Parties votes then she wants the ABCs budget reduced by $600 million over the next three years.
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:36am
    - stephieboy
      
      Al on Red , my the company of morons you keep .
      
      What next ?
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:42am
    - All_on_Red
      
      “Stephieboy says:
      “If that were the case France’s security problems would be unsoverable and unamamagble”.
      
      Pot.Kettle.Black
      Fuck, you’re thick.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:50am
    - PhilBest
      
      Excellent, it would be hard to display better that you understand the long political war, than to recommend the wind-back of taxpayer-funded lefty propaganda in the form of “National broadcasting”.
      
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      April 22, 2017 10:07am
      - mikenmild
        
        This morning’s line-up of lefty propaganda on National Radio:
        Alan Gibbs – cars and laisez-faire economics
        Margaret Atwood – the Handmaid’s Tale
        Virginia Hanson Grohl – mothers of rock stars
        Venki Ramikrishnan – Antibiotics and the cell’s protein factory
        Martino Gamper – Furniture designer
        Tim Fitzpatrick – Auckland’s Pop-up Globe Theatre
        
        Pretty much wall-to-wall communism.
        
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        April 22, 2017 10:24am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I had the misfortune to hear most of the, um, ‘interview’ with Alan Gibbs.
        
        Quite apart from Hill’s voice, which has clearly been honed in a gravel pit, most of her questions were a poorly attempted drive-by shooting.
        
        He used the term “sold for a profit” several times and I though Ms Hill would explode by the third time.
        
        Red Radio indeed.
        
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        April 22, 2017 7:25pm
  - Inandout
    
    As a byproduct of a recent Australian based sea cruise I was reliant on Okker local news 24 hours (no internet). It was interesting then discussing Australian politics with other passengers. It appears Turnbull is generally regarded as a self seeking arsehole, not terribly interested in politics as much as himself. Hansen has definitely had an influence, especially with those voters who see the Aussie way of life (such as it is) being usurped by stand alone cultures. The new immigration rules are basically so full of holes as to be useless. Question: Do you beat your wife Mohammed?
    Answer: Of course not (lie, lie).
    
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    April 22, 2017 11:00am
- wiseowl
  
  Le pen said this morning they would ban mosques.
  
  Go Marine!
  
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  April 22, 2017 10:44am
  - mikenmild
    
    Yeah, first she’ll shut the mosques, then all the other places that she’ll invent reasons to hate.
    
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    April 22, 2017 10:51am
    - PhilBest
      
      Yeah, because all the others are also where terrorists come from, shouting the name of their deity as they slaughter innocents. And all the others create little urban -Stans where their own rules apply, don’t integrate, are disproportionately on welfare and in jail. Those terrible Sikhs and Buddhists and Johos, eh.
      
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      April 22, 2017 11:32am
      - Paulus
        
        You mention Buddhists – this week in Tauranga the local Buddhist Temple gave $100,000 ($750 each house) to the people affected by the Edgecombe floods, via the Council for privacy reasons, with more to come when actual numbers known.
        A very generous donation with no strings attached.
        
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        April 22, 2017 1:58pm
    - starboard
      
      Lemons, and other acidic treats for breakfast again I see mm.
      
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      April 22, 2017 2:08pm
      - GazzaW
        
        Forgot his pills again though.
        
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        April 22, 2017 6:40pm
  - GoVege
    
    Wonder how many churches there are in Muslim countries?
    Didn’t a lot of Christians get blown to bits in a church in Egypt over Easter?
    I’m sure if Christian terrorists were slaughtering hundreds of Muslims in the streets and buildings of their own countries, they would have burned every church to the ground, with their congregations inside, and then banned them.
    
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    April 22, 2017 1:56pm
duggledog

Yeah I loved that performance put on by Lundy at his wife’s funeral.

Like when Bain wouldn’t take the stand. Said everything to me.
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April 22, 2017 8:07am
- Jack5
  
  The performance seems to have taken in Notsofast.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:11am
Monique Watson

GD. Fucked up within 5 comments. Clown.
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April 22, 2017 8:22am
oldpark

Notice the Lie-bour Party are into the politics of misinformation. Earlier in the week was flap jaw Angry Andy Little ,or Mr 7% saying if elected he would cut immigration by tens of thousands,yet didnt know where, when, or how. Then is was the Oxfam refugee a guy called Twyford,who has never had a real job,who set out to bad mouth anyone with a Chinese name,who bought property,in Auckland,turned out of the Auckland sales only 3% of the buyers had Chinese sounding names. Now the trough sucker Twyford ,wants to attack anyone who buys a rental property or uses their house as collateral to start a business. Trough sucker Twyford claims the buyers are rich and using the tax system to get richer and wants all tax benefits eliminated. , . Once more a simple check with IRD, will prove Twyford rants are just that,and Lie-bour are practicing the politics of misinformation. Seems with liars like Twford, he is out to crucify the rental property market,and cause increased rents beyond the reach of many potential renters,that is if any property investors are silly enough to stay in the business as landlords.
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April 22, 2017 8:23am
duggledog

Sorry Monique. Why am I always in trouble with the women?
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April 22, 2017 8:23am
Nukuleka

The other day I met a couple of young backpackers who are in NZ on Working Holiday visas. They’ve done a variety of stints working on farms on and city projects and tell me that the incidence of drug-taking by Kiwis working alongside them is common.

I know I am naive but I cannot for the life of me understand those who call for a more relaxed attitude to ‘recreational’ drugs in NZ and would like us to follow in the direction of Canada and some of the individual states in the USA.

If drug taking during working hours is already a common phenomenon amongst a certain type of NZ worker, how is the greater availability and a more relaxed attitude to ‘recreational’ drug use going to improve worker safety and worker output in industry? Am I missing something here?

Maybe some of our KBlogger drug enthusiasts can give me an answer that will convince me.
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April 22, 2017 8:23am
- Reid
  
  The point of decriminalising is two-fold:
  a) it eliminates criminal profits thus reducing general crime as well as drug “crime”
  b) it recognises the drop-dead no-brainer obvious-but-to-morons fact that drug prohibition doesn’t work, it never has and it never will, so why continue to beat yourself against the brick wall like an insane idiot by insisting an impossible policy should be continued.
  
  Fact is, anyone who wants drugs will and does find them. Anyone who thinks they can’t be found because the law is so effective, is deluding themselves.
  
  So given this, isn’t claiming that if drugs are decriminalised this will entail a huge upsurge in usage a bit like Norm Jones proclaiming during the Homosexual Law Reform debate in the early 80’s, that if it went through then suddenly everyone will want to start bumming each other and the nation will face a gay outbreak of Biblical proportions? Which is exactly what he said back then, and it didn’t happen, did it. Which is exactly what will happen if drugs are decriminalised, as well.
  
  Police of course advocate this because they get a hell of a lot of Vote Police because NZ “has a drug problem.” There is nothing so vigorously defended as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction.”
  
  Most of the people that hallucinate decriminalising will see a mass upsurge in usage (which is their main indeed only argument against), don’t have the faintest clue as to what they are talking about, like Jones with gays. Most of them appear to be profoundly ignorant of the dynamics of drugs, what they are, what they do to you, and how people behave when they’re on them. It’s as if they take their cues on this subject from something akin to the Reefer Madness bollocks propaganda film from the 50’s. If they did have the first clue then you’d be able to see it in the arguments they make, but they never do anything except demonstrate through their comments on the matter that they’re as profoundly ignorant as a 50’s parent just walking out of the Reefer Madness movie determined to stop this horrific curse from befalling their darling little Johnny and Jane.
  
  I’ve talked about this to various security professionals over the years and a fair number of them are of the same mind: they should be decriminalised because of the aforementioned reasons: prohibition doesn’t and more importantly, CANNOT work; and eliminating this massive income stream from criminals HAS to be a good idea.
  
  Incidentally, isn’t it sad now that in the US we are seeing drug “criminals” (users and small time dealers) being sentenced to 30-40 year terms which is more than murderers and rapists get, simply so the US private prison system can make profits. That’s just one example of the human detritus that can be created by this prohibition, if one lives in a corrupt country like the US. Because, duh, the private prisons donate to state politicians to make “appropriate” laws and donate to judges’ political campaigns to make “appropriate” sentences.
  
  Big business, drugs. Lots of vicious, murderous swine in the game, many wearing uniforms of various kinds.
  
  Eliminating prohibition would eliminate all of that, too. As a side-benefit.
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:50am
  - MrTips
    
    If you substitute prostitution decriminalization for drugs, the arguments are reasonably similar.
    
    And how has that worked out? Increased trafficking of women, major headaches for councils and suburban brothels plus an increase in overseas gang activity.
    
    Every time a coconut the progressive ideologies fail spectacularly but refuse to acknowledge it.
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:59am
    - mikenmild
      
      Do you have any actual evidence of these alleged harms?
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:16am
      - SPC
        
        He would provided it, if there was any.
        
        Lying is the standard practice of those who want to mislead others to the wrong conclusion.
        
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        April 22, 2017 11:32am
  - Scott
    
    Well actually Norm Jones was right about homosexuality and there definitely is a slippery slope. Decriminalization of homosexuality opened the door for legalising prostitution which Tim Barnett used as a wedge to open the door to civil unions. Civil unions was only another step to gay marriage which is now leading to persecution of tradionally minded folk especially Christians.
    The overturning of morality continues with transgender rights and also a move to polygamy. The next steps are bestiality and lowering the age of consent.
    So Norm Jones was right.
    
    We need to resist the social justice warriors and return to better morals. In the meantime many suffer in mixed up families and broken relationships. It’s the kids who suffer most unfortunately.
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:46am
    - SPC
      
      Morality that only exists because of fear of criminal prosecution is barren.
      
      Those who argue that those whose behaviour/opinion are different should be seen as criminals are totalitarians.
      
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      April 22, 2017 11:30am
    - MCos
      
      Something else I noticed the other day, Scotty.
      As soon as SBW covered the BNZ sign on his jersey that big storm buggered off and left Auckland alone!
      
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      April 22, 2017 12:42pm
    - GoVege
      
      “Persecution of traditionally minded folk especially Christians”?
      Don’t be ridiculous. ..give us an example.
      
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      April 22, 2017 1:59pm
  - Nukuleka
    
    Your comparison with the Homosexual law Reform bill is ingenuous. Are you suggesting that civil unions, gay marriage, transgender issues such as transgender bathrooms, gender non-specific pronouns and so on were not a consequence of the passing of legislation such as the Homosexual Law Reform bill? Are you unaware of the work of queer lobby groups working in our secondary schools, of the push to introduce literature about queer issues into our primary and pre-schools? Of course there has been an increase in overt homosexual activity since the passing of the Homosexual law Reform Bill. Turn on your tv, listen to your radio, read your newspapers.
    
    I remain unconvinced that drug use will not follow exactly the same upward path that you claim has NOT happened with homosexuality.
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:49am
    - Disaster Area
      
      ‘Are you unaware of the work of queer lobby groups working in our secondary schools’
      
      I have worked in NZ secondary schools for the last 15 years and don’t think that I have come across this. Please can you elaborate?
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:53am
      - mikenmild
        
        It’s just another conspiracist fantasy.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:59am
      - Fletch
        
        ‘Pink Shirt Day’ for one. It’s supposed to be sort of an annual “anti-bullying” campaign but contains subtle messages about queers, etc.
        
        The website states – “It’s about creating a community where all people feel safe, valued and respected, regardless of age, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, ability, or cultural background.” It is sponsored by groups including Rainbow Youth, Q-Youth, Diversity Works Trust, InsideOUT etc.
        
        A few years ago they had a campaign with various cartoon characters including Manu, whose “identity remains largely unknown, but Manu made it known they prefer gender neutral pronouns”.
        
        It’s subtle, but is being pushed, and primary and secondary schools are encouraged to take part.
        
        https://www.pinkshirtday.org.nz/
        
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        April 22, 2017 11:31am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Fletch,
        
        “It’s about creating a community where all people feel safe, valued and respected, regardless of age, sex, gender identity, sexual orientation, ability, or cultural background.”
        
        And what’s wrong with this?
        
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        April 22, 2017 12:30pm
      - Fletch
        
        When you start talking about “gender identity” it rings alarm bells with me.
        
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        April 22, 2017 12:34pm
    - SGA
      
      Of course there has been an increase in overt homosexual activity since the passing of the Homosexual law Reform Bill.
      
      Given that homosexuality was illegal prior to this Bill, is it a surprise that such activity was more covert?
      
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      April 22, 2017 10:02am
  - 4077th
    
    There are hundreds of thousands of Kiwi’s that enjoy the odd smoke and as far as I am aware that is not decreasing as our population increases paired with “drug education programs”. I does appear young people seem less likely to partake but also don’t see MJ as a gateway, they just miss it out and go direct to P. A lot of people my age have done or do still enjoy the odd smoke. It makes sense to decriminalise this type of activity as the consequences of a minor possession conviction can destroy careers and restrict travel for no good reason. Remove the discretion option from police and instate either an instant fine or warning. It’s utterly ridiculous that possession of a relatively harmless drug (far less harmless than alcohol) would attract a criminal conviction along with a complete waste of the courts time as punishments are usually a minor fine with an added pointless criminal conviction.
    
    Disclaimer: I do not endorse the government of Canada nor do I subscribe to the lefty nonsense of their child prime minister. BUT.. the Canadian government are in the process of legalising Cannabis almost completely. As with most lefty governments Tax is a high priority and new ways to extract it. In this particular case they are on the right track though it won’t remove the black market, there would increasingly be much less of it and far less people be criminalised for nothing other than making themselves a bit sleepy and inordinately hungry.
    
    One of theses days my arthritis will need treatment as I head to my 60’s. I’d like to think that if I decided to use Cannabis as a form of pain relief I would not be worried about a knock on the door from plod, much less the risk growing it myself or having to go to a mate or a mate of someone in the dark underworld. There are many examples of people with severe or terminal medical conditions that received relief but risked criminal prosecution. Paul Holms, Martin Crowe, Helen Kelly…
    
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    April 22, 2017 10:11am
  - RJA
    
    Fair enough Reid, but that argument can be used with any law.
    Why make it illegal to bash partners? If you want to, you will; irrespective of the law. Make it legal and the numbers won’t go up and we need less Police.
    
    I need a better argument; not that I am against the idea.
    
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    April 22, 2017 10:18am
    - mikenmild
      
      You really cannot see the difference between a law prohibiting assault and a law prohibiting the voluntary ingestion of a substance?
      I pity you.
      
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      April 22, 2017 10:25am
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps over-zealous drug tests are contributing to what those who want cheap foreign labour allege is the unemployability of young New Zealanders.
    
    If week-day drug tests are barring young Kiwis from working from Monday to Friday because they have smoked marijuana at the weekend then something’s wrong.
    
    Is it possible to get some evidence on whether weekend drung taking affects work and driving ability from Monday to Friday any more than weekend boozing does?
    
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    April 22, 2017 12:56pm
- cmm
  
  Just like with alcohol, there is a difference between use of drugs and misuse of drugs.
  
  If you stop treating drug use as a criminal matter and more of a medical or work safety issue then people are more likely to be open about their addictions and get help.
  
  People often worry about workers turning up stoned. Just treat them the same as workers turning up drunk.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:06am
- PhilBest
  
  I would never agree with blanket decriminalisation, but I do think that “Big Pharma” is responsible for a lot of non-patentable remedies available in nature, being kept unavailable even in suitably regulated forms.
  
  I believe there is massive potential for cannabis extracts to be included in safe, regulated products just as St Johns Wort and Arnica are. I see it as suspicious, that in this day and age I still can’t just walk into Hardy’s Healthy Living and buy a Thompson’s, Nature’s Own or Solgar product that contains cannabis extracts, and relieves chronic pain conditions.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:12am
  - mikenmild
    
    Yes cannabis should be available in ‘health’ shops on the same basis as all the other quack medicines.
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:17am
    - PhilBest
      
      You’re sounding like the worst kind of apologist for a venal establishment there, pal. So much for the bleeding-heart lefty care for humanity, the battlers and the suffering.
      
      Natural remedies are a free market (to the extent that substances are not banned) and it is reasonable to assume that “good drives out bad” under those conditions. To be still assuming that everything that is not “Big Pharma” is quackery, is breathtaking know-it-all arrogance.
      
      Old GP’s are often among the worst. The younger ones are much more open-minded.
      
      Even sportsmedicine takes “natural” seriously, they want their side to win and set records.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:27am
      - mikenmild
        
        ‘Natural’ means nothing, scientifically. What matters is the chemical effects of what is ingested. The day those shops stop stocking homeopathic remedies is the day you can start to take them seriously.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:30am
      - stephieboy
        
        PhilBest , share us with your health potion quackery favourites ?
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:44am
      - Colville
        
        Cannabis oil vaped seems to cut thru cancer pain like nothing else.
        
        Hard to argue about “harm” when the recipient is on their last weeks on the planet.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:45am
      - PhilBest
        
        There is no difference, in scientific credibility, between “pharmaceutical” research and “natural remedies” research; the essential difference here is that one leads to a patentable product and the other does not.
        
        There are athletes setting records, who credit readily available natural substances as part of the reason for their success.
        
        One obvious example: all athletes take electrolytes with their water, when they need to hydrate. Is magnesium and its effects, “quackery”?
        
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        April 22, 2017 10:14am
- tf78
  
  We had a builder once who was putting in a wardrobe and moving the bedroom door – I said to him half way through – are you sure you have measured properly – turns out he was stoned. I’m pleased it wasn’t a bigger more structural job – stoned people do not fit into the workplace they are a danger to themselves and others in my opinion.
  
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  April 22, 2017 10:55am
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Yesterday the ODT had a front page story about the lack of social housing in Daft Dunedin.

Today it runs a puff piece marking the anniversary of the first batch of Syrian refugees, 10 of whom are now pregnant. One has an epileptic husband.

That’s another constant story in the ODT , the state of our health services.

Why is this poor , broke city creating more problems for itself by bringing in high maintenance foreigners and how is it the ODT can play both sides so readily?

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/syrians-prepare-own-new-arrivals
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April 22, 2017 8:28am
- Disaster Area
  
  Because the things you mention aren’t related.
  
  The lack of social housing has been generated over several years, before the small number of Syrian refugees arrived.
  The Syrians are also not responsible for the state of the city’s hospital and the lacklustre efforts to make it fit for purpose.
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:44am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Isn’t that the most naive of viewpoints.
    
    A. Shortage of housing for those who can’t look after themselves
    
    B. Exacerbate the housing shortage by bringing in hopeless muslims who ~~don’t want to~~can’t look after themselves and need housing and will rapidly breed a second generation that can’t look after themselves who need housing. Worsening the housing shortage and cuckoo-ing the native population.
    
    Not a difficult link to make! Not exactly an Einstein-like cognitive leap! Hardly past primary school deduction level!
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:14am
    - Disaster Area
      
      If you are arguing that the Syrian refugees can’t look after themselves because they have been displaced by a civil war that has been going on for at least the 5 or 6 years then you have a point.
      
      Perhaps if you came from a similar position and ended up in a country on the other side of the world that has a different alphabet and language, a different main religion, a different culture, with no home or job, you’d have a little more compassion.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:57am
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        No the only reason they don’t fit in is because you are trying to put uncivilized people into a civilized environment.
        Most of NZ society gave up eating pets and ritual stoning a long time ago but in certain areas like Mt Roskill these practices do persist so maybe the key is herding all these beasts together and then building an enclosure.
        
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        April 22, 2017 10:29am
      - kowtow
        
        New Zealand taxpayers should not have to shoulder the burden of these refugees.
        
        The govts responsible for the civil war should. Qatar , Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc not us.
        
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        April 22, 2017 10:33am
      - Disaster Area
        
        You mean these governments?
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refugees_of_the_Syrian_Civil_War
        
        You’ll notice that NZ doesn’t even make the list.
        
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        April 22, 2017 10:37am
      - howitis
        
        Dunedin
        
        -Where the university is full of nasty marxists
        -Where their Otago Uni PhD candidates …drove her unwarranted and unregistered Mercedes Benz through Dunedin streets, leaving a trail of destruction that will cost her nearly $12,000.
        The 33-year-old – a PhD psychology student just months from completing her thesis…
        -Where Otago university employs the likes of Cliona Ni Mhurchu; Doug Sellman; Lisa Te Morenga and employed Clayton Weatherston and Bryce Edwards
        
        -Where the council lost 100+ cars and did not know it for years
        -where the Council recently sold ‘unethical shares’ at a loss to the ratepayer and has banned supporting oil exploration even though it uses motor vehicles, cleaning products, and plastic based items like computers and electrical shielding.
        -where a sitting Councillor is well known for being ‘economical with the truth’ and even spawned the phrase
        -Where the Local DHB has screwed up repeatedly and has dragged down the Southland DHB since the forced merger
        -Where they continue to fork out millions a year for a stadium that was always going to be a loss maker but never mind- sweep the debt from the Stadium entity to the sneaky dodgy Dunedin City Council and pretend the Stadium is making money
        -Where the Otago Rugby Union went under in a rugby mad town with little else to do but drink and commit fraud
        -where the CEO of the Dunedin Kokiri Centre, a Maori training centre, was sentenced for stealing $114,000 from the organisation.
        – where Clare Curran represents
        
        Dunedin is a dirty corrupt town where any past glory has long since left and been replaced by scabby bottom feeders.
        It is better the low lifes are deposited in this rathole than that is already wrecked than wreck a decent town, on the balance of options .
        
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        April 22, 2017 1:37pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        And you’re going to blame all of that on Syrian refugees?
        
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        April 22, 2017 3:26pm
- howitis
  
  Jeepers
  If the Dunny Council had not lost 100 cars there would be somewhere for these people to sleep 🙂
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/64282198/dunedin-15m-council-car-fraud-pinned-on-brent-bachop
  
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  April 22, 2017 1:06pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  God, those poor women as if childbirth isn’t ‘interesting’ enough, it must be automtically more complicated I imagine if FGM has been performed statistically some of those women will have been ‘corrected’.
  Are our medical staff given special training, or are there specific Muslim Drs, who assist the birth.
  My opinion of FGM is that it is a disgusting act, mainly perpetrated on women by other women.
  Well here we go, those babies will be NZ born citizens.
  
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  April 22, 2017 7:40pm
  - mikenmild
    
    What do you think would be the percentage of Syrian women who are mutilated in this way?
    
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    April 22, 2017 7:44pm
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Isn’t this bleeding marvellous after the handwringing by Islamaphobes on KB yesterday ?( some even apparently suggesting that France and other European countries need to be ethnically cleanses of Muslims )

“Paris Police Shooting: Attacker Karim Cheurfi Had Long Criminal Record

“The Paris prosecutor’s office got a tip in January that the gunman behind a shootout on the Champs-Elysees that left one police officer dead and two others wounded was amassing an arsenal and that he had made death threats against law enforcement.
There was good reason to investigate 39-year-old Karim Cheurfi — he had already served 11 years in prison for trying to kill another police officer, Paris prosecutor Francois Molins said Friday…”

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/paris-police-shooting-attacker-was-french-had-long-criminal-record-n749216

Now what could be next ?

More copious egg on faces ?

Keep it up !
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April 22, 2017 8:30am
- EAD
  
  What’s your point exactly – that 3rd worlders are not just terrorists but also hardened violent criminals?
  
  I think your the one with egg on your face……
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:39am
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    EAD, my point is that the shooting was not Islamist based but by an apparent career criminal .
    
    It’s called jumping to conclusions , making assumptions which you are a bit of expert at ., eh ?
    
    By your reasoning we could say that Sandy Nook , Aururoa , Columbine etc , etc were by white terrorists and hardened criminals etc ?
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:51am
    - simpleton1
      
      A well known wolf.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:13am
    - cmm
      
      So stephie you’re saying you can’t be a criminal and be a radicalised Jihadists?
      
      Amazing how almost half of prisoners in France are Muslim. It is a mass meeting of disaffected Muslims – a Jihadist University.
      
      The point is not that EVERY Muslim is criminal and EVERY European is not.
      
      The point is that Muslims are far more likely to commit these crimes than anyone else, including Buddhists and Hindus.
      
      If white committed Columbine style shootings at the rate of Muslims there would be one a day.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:13am
      - PhilBest
        
        Well said, CMM. There is some truth in what Stephieboy said, Theodore Dalrymple (a distinguished psychologist as well as one of the best conservative writers) has often said that many Muslim terrorists are suffering from mental health issues; the problem is that Jihad offers a beautiful ready-made pathway for their issues to explode into tragedy; and worse, the western multi-culti-cringing “blame us and our oppression” narrative is like added endorsement and justification.
        
        There certainly isn’t a ready-made narrative being endorsed by half of the Media Party talking heads, that Dylan Roof et al have been hooked by. Any narrative they have found, is beyond the fringes and being roundly condemned; and so it should be with Jihadist-apology.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:35am
      - stephieboy
        
        Any actual evidence that the French ” Muslim ” prison population is actually feeding and flooding into Jihadist ]and ISIS recruitment ?
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:48am
    - Rich Prick
      
      You missed the “Allah Akbar” clue.
      
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      April 22, 2017 10:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:41am
- PhilBest
  
  What’s your point? Besides what EAD just said, this is symptomatic of the cringing, pandering, look-the-other-way “tolerance” and multi-culti policy that is rotting the west from within, and deliberately (see Gramsci, Alinsky, the Frankfurt School, etc etc).
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:44am
  - stephieboy
    
    What about the so called mythical Frankfurt school?
    
    That they were Jews ?
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:52am
  - EAD
    
    what is the common link between
    – Antonio Gramsci,
    – Saul Alinksy
    
    & every single one of the founders of the Frankfurt School, namely:
    – Max Horkheimer
    – Theodor W. Adorno
    – Herbert Marcuse
    – Friedrich Pollock
    – Erich Fromm
    – Otto Kirchheimer
    – Leo Löwenthal
    – Franz Leopold Neumann
    – Henryk Grossman
    
    Not to mention Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Freud, Bela Kun, Spartacus-Weishaupt, Rosa Luxembourg & Emma Goldman amongst other leading early Communist “revolutionaries”?
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, and what has become of their alleged Marxist / communist conspiracy ?
      
      1991 and for example present day Venezuala ?
      
      Outline your alternative new world order ? Now let us guess ?
      
      http://lh4.ggpht.com/_hVOW2U7K4-M/SZushUIT6kI/AAAAAAAA6VY/K8Av-FOQyaE/s640/87510720_78d50bd97e_o.jpg
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:00am
    - mikenmild
      
      Even if all the early communists or bolsheviks were Jewish (although they weren’t), so what?
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:06am
      - EAD
        
        Because Communism was never about “emancipating the worker” – it was funded by Jewish Wall Street Bankers Jacob Schiff & Paul Warburg for goodness sake.
        
        What Communism was a a Jewish takeover of Russia and, through Cultural Marxism now the world. To quote Churchill
        
        The Jews have been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire
        
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        April 22, 2017 8:54pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Only really worth a downtick for Obama-like tortuous faux-logic.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    DP,
    
    “Obama-like tortuous faux-logic.” ??
    
    And in comparsion to this ?
    
    ” Donald Trump’s North Korea ‘armada’ gaffe was dangerous buffoonery”
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/apr/19/donald-trump-north-korea-armada-gaffe
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:38am
- Swifty
  
  Islam is not an ethnicity. It is a political/religious totalitarian ideology. And, by the way, built on tales of events that never happened. International (Pew) research demonstrates that up to 40% of western-based adherants believe the sharia should supercede western laws.
  
  The evidence is all around us that when western democracies import islam you import a whole heap of trouble. This fact is denied only by the deluded or the islamists themselves.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:47am
  - Disaster Area
    
    So is it merely coincidence that these types of attack only started after Bush and Blair’s complete cock up in Iraq?
    
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    April 22, 2017 10:00am
    - Swifty
      
      If you’re seriously suggesting that ‘Bush and Blair’s’ liberation of Iraq is the sole cause of islamic terrorism then, to refute that, I would just need to come up with one example of terror attacks which predate Bush and Blair. Right?
      
      Then how do you explain the 1993 World Trade Centre Bombing? As but one of hundreds of examples.
      
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      April 22, 2017 11:12am
      - PhilBest
        
        Was newly-emerged Islam’s military conquest of North Africa and Spain in the 8th Century, a reaction against oppression?
        
        Apparently those evil Christians “started it” with their Crusades, the first Crusade happened to be in the year 1098, but hey, what’s a few centuries here and there for a constructed progressive lefty narrative?
        
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        April 22, 2017 11:38am
      - Disaster Area
        
        No, I’m not trying to claim that the ‘liberation’ of Iraq is the sole cause, however the power vacuum left behind by removing Saddam (and Qaddafi in Libya) with no credible alternative certainly didn’t help and allowed various Jihadi groups gain a foothold.
        
        The fact that no WMD were found played into the hands of the propagandists who wanted to frame the invasion as a ‘war on Islam’ or a new crusade.
        
        Are you going to try and claim that the rise in Islamic based terror events is coincidental to the invasion?
        
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        April 22, 2017 12:36pm
EAD

I stumbled across this powerful piece today on how we got to our present dystopian situation which focuses on how Cultural Marxism has ruined Western Civilisation:

http://reasonradionetwork.com/20080821/letter-to-the-white-race

This is facilitated by decades of brainwashing, beginning in early school years, portraying Whites not as the builders of a great civilization, or the admirable leaders of the Free World, but in a lopsided, entirely slanted way as oppressors, enslavers, genocidal “Nazis”, southern Klansmen, imperialistic Colonials, and toothless hillbillies just itching for a chance to lynch the first colored individual that comes along. This brainwashing not only inflames the minorities in these now racially-mixed “schools”, but also inculcates a sense of “White guilt” that the Out Group finds particularly useful in maintaining control.

Hence, you Whites have become a neutered, egoless herd of cattle, easily manipulated and posing no threat to the Out Group, who live in perpetual terror of your ever waking up to their plans. The Out Group has a long-running resentment and fear of White civilization, and thus have worked within that civilization to undermine its cohesion and sense of purpose. The promotion of homosexuality, pornography, drugs, divorce, illicit sex, moral relativism, atheism, communism, gun control, “anti-racism”, and “civil rights”, has been the greatest boon to this subversive faction, who are but a tiny minority among you, but who wield awesome, incomparable power.

Remember the 11 points of the Frankfurt School…..
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April 22, 2017 8:32am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, whats missing from the article are the Jews that intimated it . Could make up and fill in the gaps ?
  
  Speaking of White genocide what is your final solution to the Jew led liberal and progressivism .
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:40am
  - EAD
    
    Stephiegoy,
    
    that there has been a deliberate undermining and deliberate destruction of Western Society, can be of no doubt.
    
    The question then becomes Cui bono?
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:46am
    - mikenmild
      
      But there has been no ‘deliberate undermining and deliberate destruction of Western Society’, and just becasue you keep yammering on about Cultural Marxism,the Frankfurt School and all those nasty Jews does not convert your conspiracy theories into reality.
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:08am
      - PhilBest
        
        People who deny the ‘deliberate undermining and deliberate destruction of Western Society’ are either useful idiots who believe every element of the program has been motivated by genuine human-progress considerations, or they are active supporters of the deception.
        
        Theodore Dalrymple just put it succinctly in one of his latest columns: “progressivism” is nothing more than a program with the intent of “the rule of society by (self-styled) progressives”.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:19am
      - mikenmild
        
        Yeah, well there’s no stopping fuckwits like yourself and EAD buying into this anti-Semitic, conspiracist bullshit. Just don’t expect normal people to believe it.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:32am
      - PhilBest
        
        How dare you lump me into the “anti-Semitic” conspiracy-theory category. Are you too dim to understand what I am saying on this thread and long since, or are you deliberately misrepresenting me like classic lefty smear-campaigners consistently do to decent people on “the right”?
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/04/general_debate_22_april_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1914608
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:40am
      - mikenmild
        
        Maybe you don’t consider yourself to be anti-Semitic, but by buying into the Cultural Marxism/Frankfurt School nonsense, that it what you are going along with. Maybe you are just too stupid to understand that.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:45am
      - PhilBest
        
        So milky, if you were anti-Communist in the 1930’s, that automatically made you a Nazi? Or at any time since?
        
        There have always been Jewish anti-communists as well as Jewish communists. It is dishonest to hijack issues of ideology with accusations of racism. It suits the western Quislings of the progressive Left only too nicely, to try and make out that their most effective opponents, who see through their Long March Through The Institutions, are anti-Semites. Among the most effective critics, are the Jew Anthony Daniels, the Jew David Horowitz, and the Jew Daniel Greenfield. Are they also anti-Semites because they oppose the program of Alinsky and Chomsky?
        
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        April 22, 2017 11:47am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It’s not so much a “conspiracy” as it is the application of Price’s Law (by Derek J. de Solla Price). Why does wealth end up at the top 1%?
    Why does the square root of the number of employees in a company account for 50% of the productivity? (In a company of 100 employees, 10 account for 50% of the productivity.)
    Seriously, do some research on Price’s Law.
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:50am
    - SGA
      
      Given that Price was an atheist of Jewish extraction, I think you chances of EAD taking him seriously very limited.
      Price’s Law was developed from a rather niche area – scientific publication rates. After a quick look, I haven’t found any good summaries that it generalises to “Why does the square root of the number of employees in a company account for 50% of the productivity?”. Can you link such a handy reference, please?
      
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      April 22, 2017 9:03am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Sure, got it right here.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Q0PCDEJWek&t=22s
        
        Price’s Law.
        “Hammer it into your heart.” (- Peterson)
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:58am
      - SGA
        
        Didn’t help much Odakyu-san – it makes sense for independent operators in the examples he uses (e.g., PhD students and composers), but I doubt that 10% of the workers in a car manufacturing plant are producing 50% of the cars, or that 1 person in a shearing gang of 10 is shearing 50% of the sheep. I also thought that the sports analogy he used was a bit off too – of course, certain individuals score most of the points on a team – that’s their role, they are given the ball to do just that – be it Russel Westbrook or Ronaldo. We don’t expect a Tony Woodcock to score as many points as a Dan Carter, to use an example closer to home.
        So, I’d be much more cautious than you when extrapolating from this “law”.
        
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        April 22, 2017 10:20am
      - SGA
        
        Am I the only one having editing issues?
        
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        April 22, 2017 10:20am
  - PhilBest
    
    “intimated it”???
    
    And it wasn’t entirely Jewish commie intellectuals, just as not all rocket scientists are Jewish rocket scientists and not all bankers are Jewish bankers.
    
    The achievements of rocket science, is the achievements of rocket scientists; and the evils of Wall Street are the evils of crooked bankers; and the evils of Commie intellectuals are evils of Communism and its program of subversion. None of these things are synonymous with “Jews”, Jews just happen to be well-represented at the top of most walks of life that involve the intellect. Especially so in the beneficial ones like medical research and anti-leftist philosophy (Daniels, Horowitz, Greenfield, etc etc).
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:52am
- wiseowl
  
  EAD
  Have a read of nzcpr today.
  The education sector and how they undermine.
  The “Draft Code for Teaching Profession’
  Introduction.
  ‘The code and standards acknowledge our professions OBLIGATION to recognising Aotearower New Zealand as a bicultural nation and honour the treety by paying PARTICULAR attention to the rights and aspirations of moori as tangata fenua .
  Ends with the primary goal ‘demonstrate commitment to tangata fenua and bicultural partnership and practice in aotearower New Zealand.
  Reprehensible.
  
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  April 22, 2017 11:04am
  - Disaster Area
    
    So will you support the PPTA if they decide to boycott this Code?
    
    By the way, do you think that actual teachers had anything whatsoever to do with the drafting of this code?
    
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    April 22, 2017 3:29pm
- GoVege
  
  A slight exaggeration EAD but there’s a lot of truth that western civilization has been demonized by silly young radicals.
  
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  April 22, 2017 1:18pm
Southern Raider

Just come back from Rotorua and on Lake Rotomahana (where the Tarawera eruption happened) the guide mentioned that this Lake releases 2 tonnes of CO2 every day into the atmosphere.

Do the Green know about this and what are they doing to stop it?
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April 22, 2017 8:37am
- mikenmild
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  What a moron.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:09am
  - GoVege
    
    Today is “Be nice to other people day”, mm, (especially veges).
    Please observe. (:
    
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    April 22, 2017 1:20pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I’ll wait until ‘Be Kind to Morons Day’, thank you.
      
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      April 22, 2017 1:22pm
      - GoVege
        
        Why are you such a grumpy sod milky?
        
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        April 22, 2017 1:29pm
      - GoVege
        
        Maybe you should change your moniker to milkensour?
        
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        April 22, 2017 1:47pm
duggledog

Nukuleka

All I can tell you is that NZ has one of the highest rates of cannabis consumption in the world outstripping… Jamaica!

Cannabis is one of the reasons the Nats have been furiously pumping immigrants into NZ, Chinese, Filipinos, Indians etc generally don’t have a culture of smoking it.

Part of the problem with weed smoking is the many reasonable, rational people who reckon ‘yeah why not decriminalise it man, didn’t do me any harm’ are the sorts of people who had a few puffs, maybe still do, and can function.

The people cannabis really destroys are the people for whom success isn’t guaranteed. Poor Maoris in the Far North & East Cape, but pretty much anywhere.
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April 22, 2017 8:38am
- SGA
  
  Cannabis is one of the reasons the Nats have been furiously pumping immigrants into NZ, Chinese, Filipinos, Indians etc generally don’t have a culture of smoking it.
  
  They should highlight this policy in their manifesto – I’m sure it is a vote winner 🙂
  
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  April 22, 2017 8:47am
  - mikenmild
    
    It’s a secret known only to important people like duggledog.
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:10am
- PhilBest
  
  That’s interesting, NZ has a Reggae community second only to Jamaica in the world, too. I like this. It’s good summer party music. I can do without the Gangsta Rap stuff, the Metal, and the modern “Dance” music that Fred Astaire, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson would not have recognised as having anything to do with stimuli to human movement.
  
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  April 22, 2017 11:56am
- cha
  
  Cannabis is one of the reasons the Nats have been furiously pumping immigrants into NZ, Chinese, Filipinos, Indians etc generally don’t have a culture of smoking it.
  
  Other than the 10,000 year history of cannabis in China, one of the 50 fundamentals of Chinese herbology, two millennia of use in India and the absolutely mind wrecking sativa available in the Philippines, you could be right there, sport.
  
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  April 22, 2017 11:59am
- 4077th
  
  “many reasonable, rational people who reckon ‘yeah why not decriminalise it man, didn’t do me any harm’ are the sorts of people who had a few puffs, maybe still do, and can function.”
  
  If what you say is the case, why is it the “poor Maori’s” in the north are not the same as those “reasonable” people you mentioned? It’s not an excuse and is not to blame. Those who are taking it are to blame. You choose to live where there is no work, choose not to get a job or further educate yourself then you only have yourself to blame. Not the drug. Drugs and alcohol make these problems worse but they are not to blame.
  
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  April 22, 2017 1:20pm
  - GoVege
    
    They were probably born up there, 4077th, and all the family live there.
    Maori have very strong family bonds, like other Polynesians.
    I blame the culture far more than the individuals.
    It is the problems with the cultural beliefs that make all Polynesian countries poor and needing continual inputs of aid from successful western countries.
    The same goes here in NZ with Maori.
    Some have adopted successful attitudes but many are from another planet in their beliefs.
    
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    April 22, 2017 1:38pm
    - 4077th
      
      Born up there or not, they have the opportunity to move out and see family when the can like the rest of us. I don’t think PI’s are in the same group. I know more PI’s that are well educated and successful than Maori. It’s the same old problem, it’s the culture of “the world owes us a living” and the treaty will provide. Until then, let’s go to the pub bro or anybody got any weed bro? Violence and entitlement are taught at a young age as history and our jails can attest. My eldest daughters long time boyfriend is the exception to the rule, quiet well educated, doing very well at uni, a thoroughly nice young man but the first in his generation and immediate family to go to university. He is the most non Maori, Maori person I know. Not because of is upbringing but because of the choices he has made and the effort he has made at school. Only they can break the cycle, no amount of government or “whanau hugging” help will make a blind bit of difference. Like I said before, they only have themselves to blame.
      
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      April 22, 2017 2:03pm
      - GoVege
        
        4077th: I don’t think you realise what neglected and abusive childhoods many Maori have.
        Maori parents who have huge families don’t usually do so because they are supremely dedicated parents.
        They make the older children (and neighbours) raise the kids, (believe me, villages don’t raise kids) and do not worry about the older kids missing out on their education.
        Of course it takes some effort to better yourself, but if you never get a proper education, you are disadvantaged from the start.
        
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        April 22, 2017 3:39pm
- GoVege
  
  I don’t think it should be a crime, but it’s a terrible habit.
  Stopped my kids playing with some neighbours when I learned they smoked weed.
  Mr Govege was irate when he saw the dad smoking it once.
  Next thing we heard, one of the kids had tried something harder and died of a drug overdose.
  The family’s grief was painful to see.
  
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  April 22, 2017 1:24pm
Reid

Here’s an article written by a Shephardic Jew about his twenty years of life in Israel, that rips to shreds all the fantasies of the sheeple morons, such as “poor widdle Iswael is the only democwacy in the ME” and other such canards.

Too bad the sheeple morons won’t ever read it, but then, this is why they’re sheeple morons, isn’t it. Keep it up, sheeple morons. You’ll be led to the chambers one by one, just like your moronic predecessors in Europe were. Wonder what you’ll think as your kids turn to you as you all stand naked and shivering in the death queue and ask: why the fuck didn’t you tell us before it was too late. What answer will the sheeple morons give then? Gee son, the media never told me about it so I just never even thought about it…? What a great excuse.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/04/20/the-life-of-an-american-jew-in-racist-marxist-israel/
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April 22, 2017 9:00am
- SGA
  
  Good morning Reid, my little ray of sunshine 🙂
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:07am
- stephieboy
  
  The real “Reid “,
  
  Why is Veterans Today so anti-Semitic?
  
  Is it really written by veterans or for veterans? I thought American veterans were generally pro-Israel since, you know they battled against radical Islam, are old (older Americans are more likely to be pro-Israel) and they are mostly Christians…’
  
  https://www.quora.com/Why-is-VeteransToday-so-anti-Semitic
  
  A treatment by you is in order on the current falling out by Trump and Putin over the recent US attack on the Syrian air base ?
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:10am
- SPC
  
  Veterans Today – a white race nationale group with an imperial mentor in the Kremlin. A right wing shadow of the left wing version of the Cold War days.
  
  I guess there are a lot of bitter people about now that Trump has failed to be the great white hope they longed for … baablame baablame the Jews
  
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  April 22, 2017 11:10am
- EAD
  
  Welcome back Reid.
  
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  April 22, 2017 1:56pm
duggledog

We are, of course, having a war on drugs – but it’s a silent war without a shot being fired or an arrest being made.

You basically can’t get certain types of jobs if you’re a low skilled pot smoker. That’s the payoff from National’s H & S legislation. Pretty clever really.

Stoners will get it eventually. All we need is for benefits to be capped at two years total in a lifetime for able bodied men and women, with a commensurate reduction for single mothers i.e. DPB for the first child born out of wedlock only, and you will see real gains in the next ten years.

Come on Bill English. You are supposed to be an honest, hard working Christian man. So introduce the one policy that will see NZ turn its back on the most disastrous, long term policy the country has had in 50 years.
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April 22, 2017 9:08am
- mikenmild
  
  Perhaps you should start your own political party for honest, hard working Christian men. Graham Capill and all the others who have tried to do this might have some tips for you.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:13am
  - PhilBest
    
    Of course progressives don’t really, really hate conservative hypocrites like Graeme Capill, not to the extent that they really, really hate consistent, NON-hypocritical conservatives.
    
    What many conservative hypocrites have got up to, if they were “non-hypocritical progressives”, would have made them celebrity victims of “Victorian prudery” and bigotry and phobias.
    
    The progressive Left is always beavering away at normalising, increment by increment, behaviour that is currently regarded as outrageous. Accommodating “centre right” squishes have mastered the art of rationalising to themselves just how reasonable, “scientific” even, the progressives arguments are, and each time they fall over themselves with eagerness to display just how tolerant and open-minded they are.
    
    There is no clear “bridge too far” given this trajectory. Whatever you might be prepared now, to condemn as perversion, you’ll let it go just as soon as the progressives ratchet their agenda forwards to the point where that perversion is “something that misunderstood and persecuted people are born with”.
    
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    April 22, 2017 9:53am
- SPC
  
  There is more drug use in the USA where this is already policy – of course they have a much higher prison population.
  
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  April 22, 2017 11:05am
  - Paulus
    
    A higher prison population from a very much larger population (approx 450 million I believe).
    
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    April 22, 2017 2:09pm
Happychappy

Well in the last couple of days one media outlet announced Labour were bringing American Democrat’s out to help them in their quest to become the Government in September. So now it is also known that they have ask some Maori Maraes to accommodate them for there stay. Whats the bet that at some stage into the Election that Labour or their Leader will use this accommodation on the Marae to say that because of the homeless situation and these people being put up in Motels and Hotels we have had to use the Marae to accommodate our American Guests. Andrew Little and Phil Twyford have no boundary on the Truth when it comes to housing and the homeless.
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April 22, 2017 9:10am
sparkhole

Wow guys, like conspiracy theories much?
And it all started with someone thinking Lundy was innocent ?
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April 22, 2017 9:14am
- mikenmild
  
  Without the conspiracy theories, there would be no General Debate.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:19am
- Happychappy
  
  Well the fact Andrew Little has already made the statement about the world Senior games that are in progress in Auckland and have you heard the media confirming his facts and has also said this will effect the Lions tour to play the All Blacks. So your conspiracy Theory could be right but the guy has history in this field so I also could be right.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:39am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Correlation or causation?
    
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    April 22, 2017 2:24pm
Jack5

The best columnist in the Hooerald, Brian Gaynor, today kicks Rodney Hide’s arse for Hide’s stupid call for a return to capital markets’ deregulated days.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11842904
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April 22, 2017 9:16am
- mikenmild
  
  Is it just me, or are Rodney Hide’s columns getting steadily lazier?
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:20am
- All_on_Red
  
  Is this the Brian Gaynor from Milford Asset Management?
  https://fma.govt.nz/news/media-releases/milford-asset-management-to-pay-1-5-million-following-fma-investigation/
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:46am
  - Jack5
    
    All_on_Red: It was an employee, not Gaynor, who was the problem.
    
    Phil Best: Gaynor has been an astute business commentator in the Hooerald over the years.
    
    I’m surprised he’s still aboard while the Hooerald goes down slowly in Tabloid Sea.
    
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    April 22, 2017 1:04pm
- PhilBest
  
  Brian Gaynor “the best” in the Herald?
  
  That wouldn’t be saying much, it wouldn’t even make him a “good” columnist, or even make him sound on economic principles.
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:59am
Stars And Stripes

My apologies Stephieboy for the late congratulations but I reckon your post yesterday was the best one of the week.
Stephieboy says:
“If that were the case France’s security problems would be unsoverable and unamamagble”.

Not sure what language that was but I’m sure someone in Mt Roskill will recognise it.
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April 22, 2017 9:44am
- Manolo
  
  Further proof that Shakespeare prays on his knees five times a day. 🙂
  
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  April 22, 2017 9:56am
  - PhilBest
    
    You mean Shakespeare must be spinning in his grave!
    
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    April 22, 2017 10:00am
    - SGA
      
      Maybe not – Shakespeare has a reputation for being creative in his use of spelling, vocabulary, and idiom 🙂
      (Although I doubt anyone here deserves the title “The Bard of Mt Roskill” 🙂 )
      
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      April 22, 2017 11:40am
      - GoVege
        
        I believe the name is “Shakspeare”…not Shakespeare.
        
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        April 22, 2017 1:26pm
      - SGA
        
        In the signatures that survive, it’s variously ‘Willm Shaksp’, ‘William Shakespe’, ‘Wm Shakspe’, ‘William Shakspere’, ‘Willm Shakspere’, and ‘William Shakspeare’ – but, yes, none use the spelling which is nearly universally used these days. That’s taken from the spelling on the First Folio, I think.
        
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        April 22, 2017 2:02pm
      - GoVege
        
        Yes, SGA, the First Folio was compiled long after his death.
        There is no evidence that William Shaksp/ere etc could even write his own name.
        None of his kids could.
        
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        April 22, 2017 3:43pm
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s something I haven’t seen on Kiwiblog before – a Shakespeare authorship nutter.
        
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        April 22, 2017 4:02pm
      - SGA
        
        None of his kids could
        
        How on earth could we know whether Hamnet could read and write? (as the only boy he was the most likely to get an education).
        
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        April 22, 2017 4:20pm
      - GoVege
        
        Hamlet did not survive childhood.
        The two daughters did and both were illiterate.
        
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        April 22, 2017 7:34pm
      - GoVege
        
        Hamnet.
        
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        April 22, 2017 7:35pm
      - GoVege
        
        Shudup milky.
        
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        April 22, 2017 8:32pm
      - SGA
        
        Exactly. Hamnet died at about 11 years – we have no way of knowing whether he could read and write or not.
        As for the sisters -it’s not clear whether they could read (reading without writing was not unknown at that time) or write. Judith left a mark rather than a signature on one document, but there is a purported signature for Susanna on another, so who knows.
        
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        April 22, 2017 9:19pm
      - GoVege
        
        It seems very unlikely the greatest writer in the English language would let his children grow up illiterate, even female ones.
        (And his poems indicate he admired intelligent women.)
        But there are many inconsistencies about Shakespeare / Shakspere.
        Which is why many educated people doubt that the small town businessman named above was actually the writer of the plays and poems attributed to him.
        
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        April 23, 2017 1:38am
      - SGA
        
        It seems very unlikely the greatest writer in the English language would let his children grow up illiterate, even female ones.
        
        As I’ve said, it’s not clear to what extent that is true, and, as Kimbo is fond of saying, the past is a foreign country, they do things differently there.
        
        people doubt that the small town businessman named above was actually the writer of the plays and poems attributed to him.
        
        But things like that do happen –
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan
        
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        April 23, 2017 7:41am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I am compiling a Kiwiblog Dictionary, but the task is growing to big for me and I really need some help from you, dear readers.
  
  I believe the new adjectives (un)soverable and (un) amamagble must derive from the verbs
  to sover and
  to amamage
  
  I am having a wee bit of difficulty in ascribing a clear
  definition to each verb.
  (and alas, definitions for two earlier neologisms are proving elusive)
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/04/general_debate_17_april_2017.html#comment-1912061
  
  Any suggestions thoughtfully considered.
  
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  April 22, 2017 11:21am
  - fernglas
    
    “To sover” is the verb from which the word “sovereign” takes its name. It means to overcome others. “To amamage” is to break wind after eating a surfeit of edamame beans.
    
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    April 22, 2017 11:39am
  - Nookin
    
    “Sover” is the technical term for a particular stage of debate or commentary. It is really a bastardisation of the phrase “it is over” but, like all such bastardisations, has gained respectability over time.
    “Unsoverable” is an extension of the term. It basically means a series of comments or debate that seemingly cannot be brought to an end.
    For example:
    “Notsofast’s fact-free rants about the Lundy case are unsoverable”
    Sources suggest that the term goes back to the 12th century when a monarch at the time slurred:
    “Who will rid me of this unsolverable prig” when referring to one of Stephieboy’s ancestors. Unfortunately, he was misunderstood.
    
    “Umamagble” is a developing term which has really lost its way and is in a state of indecision. Ultimately it will mean one of two things:
    1. Incapable of becoming a mammal or
    2. Incapable of becoming a woman’s breast.
    The purpose of the term is unclear. It is, however, believed to be effective in disunsolverabling idiot commentary or trolling
    
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    April 22, 2017 2:35pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Nookin
      I do believe you have solved the soverable problem.
      
      Fernglas’s version is possibly archaic and only employed in Learned Chambers.
      
      However, I don’t think you have managed to unmangle amamagble.
      Perhaps Odakyu-sen could clarify about the flatulence quality of edamame beans.
      
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      April 22, 2017 2:58pm
      - fernglas
        
        Odakyu-sen would undoubtedly confirm that the verb “amamage” is onomatopoeic, and that a good burst of edamame flatulence basically repeats the sound “amamamamamama” for a good 30 seconds or more. The Japanese, renowned for their subtlety and economy of expression, decided that three syllables was enough to convey the horror of the full experience, and in translation to English we have the verb that is under discussion. An alternative translation of the Japanese expression is “Hiroshima in my trousers” but that has largely been discounted on grounds of good taste.
        
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        April 22, 2017 3:48pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        +1 The most entertaining discussion of the day
        
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        April 22, 2017 8:37pm
Stars And Stripes

NZers to join science protests against Trump
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/329254/nzers-to-join-science-protests-against-trump
“The March for Science coincides with Earth Day and is organised by a group of scientists supported by the New Zealand Association of Science.
Craig Stevens says there were huge challenges to the legitimacy of climate science”.

So basically the event is pretty a one trick pony in the form of a pro climate change event disguised as a general scientific coming together.
Yawn.
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April 22, 2017 9:57am
- mikenmild
  
  They are wasting their time. Views on climate change are based on emotion, not reason and evidence. Protesting in the streets achieves nothing. Ignoring the ‘skeptics’ and getting on with rational responses to climate change is the better course of action.
  
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  April 22, 2017 10:03am
  - Peter
    
    “They are wasting their time. Views on climate change are based on emotion, not reason and evidence. ”
    
    Agreed. Just look at the greenists who will believe any old scaremongering crap about global warming, without question.
    
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    April 22, 2017 10:06am
    - PhilBest
      
      https://spectator.com.au/2017/04/tantrum-of-the-climate-alarmists/
      
      “Of all the hot air blown out by eco-alarmists, their maddest claim, the one least founded in truth, is that they are objective. That their fuel is facts and facts alone. That their guiding light is science — pure, unsullied science — rather than grubby politics. That where we, the dim, denying public, are beholden to all sorts of agendas, they, these climate seers, these wise modellers of humanity’s self-induced future doom, are motored by pure rationalism, by a slavish devotion to truth.
      
      It’s Grade-A bollocks. One should always be suspicious of people who claim to be pure of conviction. Indeed, it’s usually these people — be they finger-wagging priests or feminist warriors against filth or well-funded academic hand-wringers over dumb humanity’s pollution of the planet — who are the most moralistic of all.
      
      Their purity pose, their claim to have risen above the ideological swamp the rest of us swim in, is just throat-clearing, prep for them to lecture us from an almighty height. It’s the beautiful irony: their very self-proclamation of purity lets you know they have an agenda, and usually a really bad one…”
      
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      April 22, 2017 12:04pm
- James Stephenson
  
  Yeah, I was pondering if the support of the Greens and Greenpeace etc for “Science” now meant they’d reconsidered their views on genetic modification and radiation from cellphone towers.
  
  $5 says it’s cake-and-eat-it time over on the environmental (with the emphasis on “mental”) side of politics.
  
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  April 22, 2017 11:10am
mikenmild

Here’s something Kiwibloggers might like to do.

Email the Russian Ambassador about Chechnya:

send to: russia@clear.net.nz

HE Mr Valery Yakovlevich Tereshchenko
Embassy of the Russian Federation in New Zealand

Dear Mr Tereshchenko

I have been disturbed to read in recent weeks of unprecedented assaults on human rights in Chechnya.

Reports indicate that gay men are being rounded up, incarcerated, tortured and murdered. Chechen President Ramzan Kadyrov has denied that this is happening, but this is the same man whose spokesman has claimed that “you cannot arrest or repress people who just don’t exist in the republic” before going on to add, in even more sinister fashion, that “if such people existed in Chechnya, law enforcement would not have to worry about them since their own relatives would have sent them to where they could never return.”

Further reports indicate that the Russian Federation is ignoring, and even denying this repression in Chechnya.

Please pass to your government the need to face up to the realities of this abuse, and the need to engage with international organisations in the investigation of allegations and promotion of normal standards of civilised behaviour.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Yours sincerely
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April 22, 2017 10:10am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  You were talking above about “wasting their time”.
  I think anybody sending this letter would have to fit into that category.
  
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  April 22, 2017 10:36am
  - mikenmild
    
    Depends whether you think expressing an opinion is a waste of time. From your comments here, I doubt that you do think that.
    
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    April 22, 2017 10:48am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      I post on and read KB purely for entertainment MM that’s all.
      Emailing the Russian ambassador to NZ about Chechnya is going to be about influencing as emailing Kim Jong un outlining concerns about human rights in North Korea.
      
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      April 22, 2017 12:19pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Much better to rail on Kiwiblog about ‘ritual stoning’ in Mt Roskill, huh?
        
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        April 22, 2017 12:39pm
- GoVege
  
  That’s very nice of you milky.
  
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  April 22, 2017 3:49pm
BeeSting

JUST TO CLARIFY for the Tragically Misinformed

Jesus Christ DID NOT Support or Preach or
Participate in FGM Female Genital Mutilation?

The World Christian means Follower of Christ
The Term was First used in SYRIA.

Might want to ask yourselves why? that is?

The New Testament is online it is easy to read
and refer to (FOR EVERYONE)
if you do not believe and feel the need
to check.

https://www.biblegateway.com

http://biblehub.com

THERE IS NO FEMALE GENITAL
MUTILATION IN THE NEW TESTAMENT.

If you find some let us know?

If what you do is not based on what
CHRIST DID AND TAUGHT YOU ARE NOT A

Christian?

<
oldpark, FGM is an old African tribal custom that still persists in both Christian and Muslim African nations.
Efforts are continually been made to eradicate the practice.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/06/what-is-female-genital-mutilation-where-happen

STEPHIE BOY

NEXT TIME YOU PREACH TO USE ALL
ABOUT CHRISTIANITY as you do so OFTEN

THE PEOPLE YOU REFER TO ARE NOT BY DEFINITION CHRISTIAN

GET OFF YOU FAT USELESS IGNORANT
A HOLE AND READ THE NEW TESTAMENT
AND REFER TO THAT

And no Civilisation DID NOT START
with who was it Abraham
CUTTING HIS DICK OFF?

Most Civilised people have READ IT refer to it
and HAVE MOVED ON

YOU AND YOUR FRIENDS ARE STUCK IN
THE DARK AGES – THE STONE AGE
In fact you created – THE DARK AGE
and new DARK AGE is upon us

We can TELL BY THE FACT THAT EVERYTHING
FROM YOUR MOUTHS ARE LIES

AND EVERY PRIMITIVE BARBARIC
ACTION EVERY DAY

IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED

IN THE TRUTH it is

ALL THERE

John 8:44-47

44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s
desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for
there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is
a liar and the father of lies. 45 Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe
me! 46 Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why
don’t you believe me? 47 Whoever belongs to God hears what God says. The
reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”

WHEN YOU SPEAK LIES

YOU SPEAK

YOUR NATIVE LANGUAGE

And we all know who they are following in SYRIA
and other parts of the world
and IT IS NOT

Jesus Christ
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April 22, 2017 10:22am
- mikenmild
  
  No True Scotsman huh?
  
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  April 22, 2017 10:30am
- SPC
  
  I suppose the advantage of this form of trolling is that it cries out “not guilty on grounds of insanity” and thus you escape exile back to …
  
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  April 22, 2017 11:15am
  - BeeSting
    
    Another Ignorant Slave being lead in the dark by the liars to their own destruction.
    
    They are still trying to destroy the truth in Syria.
    If you have not noticed.
    
    It always fails. Like everything you people touch.
    
    They think they have power but have none at all.
    
    The more you all lie
    
    The More the Truth is “self evident”
    
    You only need compare what Christ did there
    to what is going on their now.
    
    Save your lies for the clueless and your fellow
    
    Eunuch Slaves
    
    Now that is a subject you should be reading up on
    
    BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR FUTURE
    
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    April 22, 2017 12:17pm
- howitis
  
  Wow
  Just wondering if that is good shite the Sting is smoking or just some of that dodgy synthetic cannabis in circulation at present.
  Either way, best avoided if this is the result.
  
  For the sake of the children, think of the CAPS locks key!!
  
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  April 22, 2017 2:51pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  BS, TL:DR, and I avoid anything that shouts at me in capital letters. Please stop.
  
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  April 22, 2017 6:46pm
Fletch

Tucker Carlson took over the timeslot from Megan Kelly when she left Fox, and now he is taking over the 8pm slot of Bill O’Reilly. A meteoric rise in only 5 months. On Monday he will be interviewing Caitlin Jenner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjX_OZyWbII
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April 22, 2017 12:41pm
- Nookin
  
  A meteoric rise:
  
  Tucker Carlson took over the timeslot from Megan Kelly when she left Fox, and now he is taking over the 8pm slot of Bill O’Reilly.
  
  followed by an instant descent to mediocracy, irrelevance and vacuity
  
  On Monday he will be interviewing Caitlin Jenner.
  
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  April 22, 2017 2:02pm
  - stephieboy
    
    The stupendously dishonest Tucker Carlson,
    
    “Fox News yesterday told the Erik Wemple Blog to be ready to discuss the very broad topic of media bias and the 2016 election on our appearance last night on “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” Instead, host Tucker Carlson wished to discuss the appearance in The Washington Post of native-advertising supplements promoting Russia — what he termed “paid propaganda” for the Kremlin. He folded this offense into the larger context of discussions about fake news….”
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/02/15/the-stupendously-dishonest-tucker-carlson/?utm_term=.d1c05943fd89
    
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    April 22, 2017 3:37pm
Fletch

Tucker has an interesting conversation around vaccines with Robert F Kennedy Jr. I don’t really know much about the issue or have strong views on it, but it is interesting. Kennedy isn’t an ‘anti-vaxxer’ (he has vaccinated his own kids) but explains the issues he has around it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COm17PrYq38
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April 22, 2017 12:47pm
Monique Watson

Oh fuck I didn’t realize it was open season Christian rant day. Face palm. My eyes are hurting after that.
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April 22, 2017 1:27pm
- BeeSting
  
  Some Quotes from the Koran JUST FOR YOU
  SO YOU KNOW YOUR STATUS in
  THE NEW WORLD YOUR TAXES
  ARE PAYING TO CREATE
  
  KAFIR
  
  To be BALANCED AND FAIR
  
  https://www.politicalislam.com/kafir/
  
  KAFIR
  The language of Islam is dualistic. As an example, there is never any reference to humanity as a unified whole. Instead there is a division into believer and kafir (unbeliever). Humanity is not seen as one body, but is divided into whether the person believes Mohammed is the prophet of Allah or not.
  
  Kafir is what the Koran and Islam call the unbelievers. Kafir is the worst word in the human language.
  
  The Koran defines the kafir and says that the kafir is:
  
  Hated- 40:35 They who dispute the signs of Allah [kafirs] without authority having reached them are greatly hated by Allah and the believers. So Allah seals up every arrogant, disdainful heart. and despised by Allah.
  
  Mocked- 83:34 On that day the faithful will mock the kafirs, while they sit on bridal couches and watch them. Should not the kafirs be paid back for what they did?
  
  Punished- 25:77 Say to the kafirs: My Lord does not care for you or your prayers. You have rejected the truth, so sooner or later, a punishment will come.
  
  Beheaded- 47:4 When you encounter the kafirs on the battlefield, cut off their heads until you have thor-oughly defeated them and then take the prisoners and tie them up firmly.
  
  Confused- 6:25 Some among them listen to you [Mohammed], but We have cast veils over their [kafirs] hearts and a heaviness to their ears so that they cannot understand our signs [the Koran].
  
  Plotted against- 86:15 They plot and scheme against you [Mohammed], and I plot and scheme against them. Therefore, deal calmly with the kafirs and leave them alone for a while.
  
  Terrorized- 8:12 Then your Lord spoke to His angels and said, “I will be with you. Give strength to the believers. I will send terror into the kafirs’ hearts, cut off their heads and even the tips of their fin-gers!”
  
  Annihilated- 6:45 So the kafirs were annihilated. All praise be to Allah, the Lord of the worlds.
  
  Killed- 4:91 If they do not keep away from you or offer you peace or withdraw their hostilities, then seize them and kill them wherever they are. We give you complete authority over them.
  
  Crucified- 5:33 The only reward for those who war against Allah and His messengers and strive to com-mit mischief on the earth is that they will be slain or crucified, have their alternate hands and feet cut off, or be banished from the land. This will be their disgrace in this world, and a great torment shall be theirs in the next except those who repent before you overpower them. Know that Allah is forgiving and merciful.
  
  Made war on- 9:29 Make war on those who have received the Scriptures [Jews and Christians] but do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day. They do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden. The Christians and Jews do not follow the religion of truth until they submit and pay the poll tax [jizya], and they are humiliated.
  
  A Muslim is not the friend of a kafir- 3:28 Believers should not take kafirs as friends in preference to other believers. Those who do this will have none of Allah’s protection and will only have themselves as guards. Allah warns you to fear Him for all will return to Him.
  
  A kafir is ignorant- 6:111 Even if We had sent down the angels to them [kafirs], the dead had spoken to them, and We had gathered all things before their eyes, they would not believe unless Allah had willed it, but most of them are ignorant.
  
  Evil- 23:97 And say: Oh my Lord! I seek refuge with You from the suggestions of the evil ones [kafirs]. And I seek refuge with you, my Lord, from their presence.
  
  Disgraced- 37:18 Tell them, “Yes! And you [kafirs] will be disgraced.” a partner of Satan 25:55 And still they worship others besides Allah who can neither help nor hurt them. The kafir is Satan’s ally against Allah. Unclean- 9:28 Oh, believers, only the kafirs are unclean.
  
  Cursed- 33:60 They [kafirs] will be cursed, and wherever they are found, they will be seized and mur-dered. It was Allah’s same practice with those who came before them, and you will find no change in Allah’s ways.
  
  Stolen from- Bukhari 5,59,537 On the day of Khaybar, Allah’s Apostle divided the spoils of war of Khaybar with the ratio of two shares for the horse and one share for the foot soldier.
  
  Raped- Ishaq 759 [Mohammed’s official biography] On the occasion of Khaybar, Mohammed put forth new orders about forcing sex with captive women. If the woman was pregnant she was not to be used for sex until after the birth of the child. Nor were any women to be used for sex who were unclean with regard to Muslim laws about menstruation.
  
  Christians and Jews are infidels, but infidels are kafirs, too. Polytheists are Hindus, but they are also kafirs. The terms infidel and polytheist are religious words. Only the word “kafir” shows the common political treatment of Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, animist, atheist and humanist.
  
  The word kafir should be used instead of “unbeliever”, the standard word. Unbeliever is a neutral term. The Koran defines the kafir and kafir is not a neutral word. A kafir is not merely someone who does not agree with Islam, but a kafir is evil, disgusting, the lowest form of life. Kafirs can be tortured, killed, lied to and cheated. So the usual word “unbeliever” does not reflect the political reality of Islam.
  
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  April 22, 2017 2:35pm
Michael

I see Notso is on his Lundy hobby horse again.
First of all Lundy was not what one would call a successful kitchenware salesman. He was struggling to break even. One wonders how he could afford to hire a sex worker. Maybe that was a one off, for use as an alibi. There were no thugs looking for him, and even if there had been they would not have murdered his wife and daughter, what on earth would be the point of them doing that? Lundy was a would be big noter without any notes. Only $20000 equity in his house. He should never have gone unconditional on that land purchase. Had he not done that his wife and child may well have still been alive today.
So far as the Crewe murders are concerned, I am inclined to agree with Notso. Demler does look like the most likely suspect, in my opinion, although I note that the police still reckon that the Arthur Thomas rifle could have been the murder weapon.
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April 22, 2017 1:45pm
Stars And Stripes

Treaty of Waitangi moved to new Wellington home under cover of darkness
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/91815424/treaty-of-waitangi-moved-to-new-wellington-home-under-cover-of-darkness
“The 1835 Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of New Zealand, the 1840 Treaty of Waitangi and the 1893 Women’s Suffrage Petition were last night moved a few hundred metres from Archives NZ to their new home at the National Library.
The final cost of the project came in at $7.2 million”.

Cutting out all the bullshit I could have chucked this old paper on the backseat of the car, driven it down the road and stashed it in a filing cabinet at the library for about $20 koha.
Bloody rip off in my opinion.
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April 22, 2017 4:07pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Stars, you forget the huge entourage to accompany the toanga, the karakia from the komata, the feed of precious kaimoana and of course, the large koha ?
  
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  April 22, 2017 4:55pm
  - nasska
    
    They should have chucked the bloody Treaty into the recycling bin with the rest of the rubbish.
    
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    April 22, 2017 5:32pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Not the recycling Bin, it could be discovered and “recycled”. Need a new constitution that ensures the equality of all New Zealanders as one nation under one law. And I don’t effing care who plonked their smelly backside on the shore first.
      
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      April 22, 2017 11:24pm
- Longknives
  
  “The final cost of the project came in at $7.2 million”.
  
  What the fuck??
  
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  April 22, 2017 5:00pm
- kowtow
  
  You’ve just witnessed secular NZ’s de facto state religion in action.
  
  Pagan primitivism.
  
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  April 22, 2017 6:04pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Loved the assurance on One ‘news’ tonight that the crate bearers had spent about 6 weeks practising the move.
  
  Bahaha – you need to practise shifting crates?
  How can that information be delivered with a straight face?
  There were people in this house rofl.
  Moving boxes is not like dancing Swan Lake.
  Does the training course carry NCEA credits?
  
  It’s hilarious until you realise who’s picking up the tab!
  
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  April 22, 2017 6:24pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Did you note, there were 500 “accompanying the real copy of the Treaty”. 500!
    
    All aboard the gravy train… ?
    
    No wonder they moved it at 4am!
    
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    April 22, 2017 6:31pm
    - holysheet
      
      add overtime rates, meal money and bad weather money and you can soon get it past $7.2 mill.
      
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      April 22, 2017 6:42pm
    - Longknives
      
      7 million divided by 500 is about 14 Grand each??
      Good money if you can get it!! Jesus I’d get out of bed at 4am and do some howling,wailing and tongue-poking gestures for that…
      
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      April 22, 2017 6:55pm
- Peter
  
  Supposedly done to not attract attention for security reasons, yet it was a parade? Why not just move it on the quiet, then?
  
  What a pure wan*fest. People so completely out of touch with reality they’ll gladly waste millions of taxpayer money in such a pompous and arrogant way.
  
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  April 23, 2017 6:56am
cha

Nicholas Maduro would approve.
//

President Donald Trump’s lawyers argued in a Thursday court filing that protesters “have no right” to “express dissenting views” at his campaign rallies because such protests infringed on his First Amendment rights.

[…]

Trump’s lawyers also argue that he had every right to call for the removal the protesters since they “obviously interfered with the Trump campaign’s First Amendment right” by “vigorously expressing their disdain for Mr. Trump,” including by chanting and holding up signs depicting Trump’s face on the body of a pig, among other anti-Trump messages.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/20/donald-trump-protest-rallies-speech-237431
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April 22, 2017 5:59pm
- mikenmild
  
  What campaign rallies? Is he still campaigning?
  
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  April 22, 2017 6:17pm
RF

I seek advice from those who know far more than me.

Currently I have Sky that costs me around $150.00 per month. I subscribe to it for Discovery, National Gepgraphic, CNN & Fox etc.

If I dump Sky what should I replace it with as not sure if my programmes are on any other sites.

Someone suggested Netflix
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April 22, 2017 6:53pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Hells bells…
  You must have everything Sky delivers…
  We have an $89/month version… No sport,
  but the Nat Geographic/History channel, News channels and Rialto and some other movies.
  
  I ‘d happily scrap Sky. I’m sure I can find other ways to squander $89/month.
  
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  April 22, 2017 7:17pm
  - RF
    
    I blame my wife who is a netball fan plus loves movies.
    
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    April 22, 2017 7:24pm
- nasska
  
  I wouldn’t recommend any of them RF…..mostly because it depends on interests & tastes. But here’s a list of what’s available in NZ:
  
  http://www.computergeek.co.nz/internettv.asp
  
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  April 22, 2017 7:22pm
  - RF
    
    Nasska. Thank you my friend. Some decisions to be made..
    
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    April 22, 2017 7:27pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Love Netflix. There is a huge choice of programmes and movies, and you can watch when you have time, finishing off from mid-programme if you left it part way through. We pay $18 a month for 3 devices. You need a Smart TV or do it through your computer, Ipad.
  Still have Sky for now but doubt we’ll continue after the rugby world cup.
  
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  April 22, 2017 7:53pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Sorry, Lions tour. Brain fart! ?
    
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    April 22, 2017 8:05pm
- Manolo
  
  Do not waste your dollars on Netflix, whose content is 9o%+ of little value.
  
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  April 23, 2017 12:44am
Longknives

Jesus the Media have lost the freaking plot in this Country!

“Evicted for a Kind Heart” shrieks the headline on Stuff..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/91826693/two-bedroom-state-house-packed-with-ten-people

But you read further and the truth comes out-

“He said it was not safe or healthy or appropriate for the extra people to be living with her…
Her tenancy has also been the subject of numerous issues for ongoing intimidating and offensive behaviour and breaches of the peace..
There have also been noise complaints, two dogs….”
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April 22, 2017 7:07pm
stigie

Looks like it takes 9 people to look after this person. Has she been up to the shop for some fags and ready to climb back into bed..?
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April 22, 2017 7:26pm
nasska

“If the colonialists don’t pay us for the use of the sun…. well, we’ll just take the sun back eh?” said Tamati.

“That’ll show ‘em!”

“Yes, yes” exclaimed the Maori elites & apologists in unison as they rubbed their greedy little hands together.

They all fell silent contemplating their fiscal astuteness until one lad (who had been internalizing a complicated situation) piped up & asked, “but… how will we do that? You know how hot the sun is?”

“That’s no problem,” replied the Treaty of Waitangi bureaucrat, ” We’ll go at night!”
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April 22, 2017 7:50pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  Do you have a variation that involves the oxygen we breathe? 🙂
  
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  April 22, 2017 10:11pm
- Nostradamus
  
  17 years ago… Government cool on airwaves decision
  
  The Government is expected to throw out a Waitangi Tribunal finding that Maori have ownership rights over radio frequencies. But Maori leaders say dismissing the judgment would be seen by the rest of the world as denying a partnership with Maori people.
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  The Government is expected to rely heavily on the minority judgment of Judge Savage who finds the treaty is “a partnership, not a marriage.” Therefore, he declares, the Crown does not have to share every natural or manmade asset, regardless of whether it is specifically listed in the treaty or not. Judge Savage says if Maori claims to radio airwaves are accepted, the same logic could be applied to oil and gas reserves, passenger transport services, solar electricity generation, genetic engineering and the licensing of air space. “There is an absurdity inherent in this claim when seen in that general context,” he said.
  
  17 years later… what’s changed?
  
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  April 22, 2017 10:25pm
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    The countries in a far worse state. Us and them. Maori are still getting a free ride. Oppose anything or ask a question, you are labelled racist. Glad Im not there anymore.
    
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    April 23, 2017 12:51am
Manolo

Many on the Left do not want a bar of the parasite:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/04/please-god-stop-chelsea-clinton-from-whatever-she-is-doing
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April 23, 2017 12:49am
- Peter
  
  Clinton sounds just like a Clinton.
  
  What is with that article, tho? That writing is incoherent.
  
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  April 23, 2017 7:16am
- cha
  
  tl:dr
  loser bernie bro sez young educated woman should STFU! ‘cos she talks too much
  
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  April 23, 2017 7:27am
Manolo

The odds are against her:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/21/marine-le-pen-gets-poll-boost-paris-attack-donald-trump-says/
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