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April 20, 2017 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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CJames

For those that think the climate models predicting doom and disaster are the reason we have to act now, howabout NIWA’s predictions for April put out in March:
https://www.niwa.co.nz/climate/seasonal-climate-outlook/seasonal-climate-outlook-march-2017-may-2017
Below average rainfall for top half of the north island – yeh right, another round of Tuis
Of course, their prediction a month later said exactly the opposite. Now why have they any credibility about 80 years into the future when they can’t get the next month right?
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April 20, 2017 8:06am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Get it right tomorrow so I can go fishing would be good for me ??
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:11am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    As well as confusing weather with climate, this misunderstands the nature of forecasting and statistical trends. Long term trends are more reliably predictable than short term events.
    
    Consider. Would you rather bet that one coin toss will turn up heads, or that roughly half of 10,000 tosses will result heads?
    
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    April 20, 2017 10:39am
    - CJames
      
      No Albert – Long term models aren’t necessarily more reliable than short term ones – the NIWA is 3 months so not short term like weather which generally descends to chaos in about 8 days.
      The models are totally dependent on their assumptions, on starting conditions and the influencing parameters. Get those wrong and it is GIGO. Even hindcasting isn’t a guarantee of success.
      For example in climate, the El Nino/ La Nina oscillations have the biggest influence on the trends. The models cannot predict either their likelihood or their occurence. They can’t even do clouds, nor can they determine if clouds are positive or negative feedback. If they can’t get those relatively simple issues (modelling the effect of thunderstorms in GCMs is beyond current computing power), everything else is shit.
      
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      April 20, 2017 11:04am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Three months isn’t a relevant time period when discussing changes in the climate.
        
        El Nino affects the weather. Not the climate.
        
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        April 20, 2017 12:10pm
    - CJames
      
      No Albert. Climate is usually taken as the average over a 30 year period. El Ninos typically are about 18 months. There is an average of two big El Ninos over a thirty year period. If this varies between say one and three, then that is 10% of the time. That is enough to have a big difference in the climate statistics.
      And if the NIWA predictions aren’t climate, why do they specifically call them that – look at the link titles.
      
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      April 20, 2017 12:46pm
mikenmild

So Fox News bit the bullet and fired serial sex-pest Bill O’Reilly.
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April 20, 2017 8:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  Matt Drudge was right. Tucker Carlson gets the prime time. Good.
  Irony alert- O’Reilly apparently met the Pope yesterday. I guess he didn’t have a prayer!
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:12am
  - mikenmild
    
    Perhaps he was seeking tips about how to cover up sexual misconduct. Too little, too late though.
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:15am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Good riposte Mikey
      
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      April 20, 2017 8:43am
    - 4077th
      
      A clever and sensible retort. First uptick from me.
      
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      April 20, 2017 9:25am
    - bc
      
      Nice one mm. It’s a bold call, but I’m making it the best comment of the day.
      
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      April 20, 2017 9:46am
      - Nukuleka
        
        So a nasty slander is seen by KBloggers as ‘a clever and sensible retort’? Please cite evidence for Pope Francis having covered up sexual misconduct. Go on, prove your point.
        
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        April 20, 2017 11:11am
      - Kimbo
        
        This one, or does that also include those who have previously occupied the office of ~~anti-Christ~~ (ah, no, in response to your offended Catholic sensibilities set as per usual on hair-trigger, I’ll lay aside my Protestant orthodoxy and go all PC)…the Papacy?
        
        Just clarifying the criteria of your high dudgeon. Intriguing though, you have such a steel fist and glass jaw when it comes to criticising the views and ideologies with whom you disagree…
        
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        April 20, 2017 11:18am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    All on Red, Tucker Carlson continues a rich Fox tradition of lies as collected here in a thick binder ,
    
    http://www.alternet.org/media/nobody-getting-fooled-newsweek-writer-trolls-fox-news-tucker-carlson-binder-falsehoods-air
    
    Maybe there is a psychological explanation for your capacity to be so frequently hood winked and duped ?
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:49am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Once again your link doesn’t back up your claims. No content from that mysterious ‘binder’ is detailed..Is this true what your writer is claiming? (From your link)
      ” Eichenwald tweeted: “I believe Trump was institutionalized in a mental hospital for a nervous breakdown in 1990, which is why he won’t release medical records.”
      Fake news?
      As for psychological behaviour. What are we all to make of someone who writes about perving at young girls in cafes and parks and who links to porn sites on one of NZs most widely read blogs.
      A stalker and a pervert perhaps.
      
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      April 20, 2017 9:04am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed ,
        
        Try this ,
        
        The stupendously dishonest Tucker Carlson,
        
        “Fox News yesterday told the Erik Wemple Blog to be ready to discuss the very broad topic of media bias and the 2016 election on our appearance last night on “Tucker Carlson Tonight.” Instead, host Tucker Carlson wished to discuss the appearance in The Washington Post of native-advertising supplements promoting Russia — what he termed “paid propaganda” for the Kremlin. He folded this offense into the larger context of discussions about fake news….”
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2017/02/15/the-stupendously-dishonest-tucker-carlson/?utm_term=.d1c05943fd89
        
        Now please own up to your shortcomings I outlined as per my post 8.49 am .
        
        BTW starting up a look alike Trump campaign to “Buy New Zealand” ??
        
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        April 20, 2017 9:12am
      - GoVege
        
        For crying out loud!
        SB can’t be the only dude on here to admire attractive young females!
        
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        April 20, 2017 9:46am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @All_on_Red
        
        Now please own up to your shortcomings
        
        Just in case you need some lessons in Marxist self-flagellation:
        https://vimeo.com/198177568
        
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        April 20, 2017 10:16am
    - Manolo
      
      Easy on the lies, stephieboy.
      
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      April 20, 2017 9:53am
gazzmaniac

Is it possible that National’s plan for dealing with the housing crisis is to inflate wages, hence the massive pay rise for caregivers announced a few days ago? Straight out of the Muldoon playbook.
Just putting it out there.
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April 20, 2017 8:09am
- cmm
  
  There is no housing crisis.
  
  There is an over entitlement crisis.
  
  We have beneficiaries turning up their noses to houses that middle-class families would have accepted in the 1950s.
  
  90% of the world’s population live in housing that is less than a typical NZ garage. Surely that should be good enough for a beneficiary?
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:20am
  - PhilBest
    
    So what you are saying, is free market capitalism that brings more and more products of better and better value for money, within the reach of more and more people, is just a waste of time, the morally and rationally correct thing to do is run rackets that perpetuate and worsen wealth transfers to “rent seekers”, penalise “producers”, and increase the divide between the “haves” and “have nots”?
    
    While this might sound like lefty talk, consider that Lenin said “a capitalist would sell you the rope you use to hang him” and Ayn Rand said “those kinds of capitalists need to be hung BEFORE they sell the communists the rope”.
    
    “Capitalists” of the kind who are responsible for the rigging of housing markets by useful-idiot urban planners, and their cheerleaders and problem-deniers, are certainly not of any use in the long political battle against creeping statist socialism. Guess what? In the still-affordable States of the USA, they are not talking about large construction programs of “public” housing with taxpayers money as a “solution” because they truly DON’T have a problem (and they are not talking about public transport as the main infrastructure solution either). They are light years ahead of us in “enlightenment” political instincts.
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:47am
    - cmm
      
      I can’t say I really understand where you’re trying to go with that.
      
      What I am saying is that welfare is supposed to be a “safety net” that keeps you from ending up in the gutter. It is not supposed to be a comfortable hammock that is a career choice. Someone in the position of getting a state house should be thankful they’re not standing in the rain. Instead they bitch and moan that it’s not good enough.
      
      Sure we should provide shelter, but providing a level of shelter better than 90% of what the rest of the world gets is good enough.
      
      What average middle class families lived in in the 1950s should also be good enough.
      
      “Shitty” housing in NZ is all down to attitude – not reality. What we call unfit housing is considered more than fit for most people. Are Kiwis really so fragile that they need extra cotton wool?
      
      I’ve lived for months in places with no running water (had to fetch water in buckets from the stream 200m away). No phone, no electricity. In NZ my family and I lived in tents for 3 months while waiting to buy a house. Not a problem it you’ve got the right attitude.
      
      Regulations do hinder things and drive up costs. For example you can’t build single-glazed houses any more (and they really are not that bad – I’ve never lived in anything else). Zoning restrictions are bad too.
      
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      April 20, 2017 3:32pm
  - GoVege
    
    Don’t be ridiculous cmm.
    The average price of a dump in south Auckland is half a mill now.
    12 years ago they would have been a fifth that price.
    Kiwis should not have to live in boxes like in 3rd world countries.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:49am
    - cmm
      
      So what makes Kiwis so special that they should live in luxurious housing just because of where they live?
      
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      April 20, 2017 3:33pm
      - Kimbo
        
        We are not a third world country, and have greater aspirations for our people. Dates back to RJ Seddon and the Liberals, and then state housing introduced by the first Labour government, subsequently embraced by governments of both the right and left. But if you want to live in a country with different policies and goals, South Africa awaits your return.
        
        Usually I wouldn’t be so blunt, but as you are often critical of the alleged inability of Muslim immigrants to “fit in”, I thought you may value a “heads up” on what counts as core Kiwi values.
        
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        April 20, 2017 3:40pm
      - cmm
        
        Kimbo:
        
        Sure we are not a third world country. And we can aspire to having everyone living very comfortably in flash houses. And (relative to the rest of the world) they do, so we can say that box is ticked.
        
        We can even want more for people, but the question becomes this: how do they get more?
        
        Just giving people more does not work. That is highly destructive and makes people entitled. That is a Bad Thing for everyone: the people being burdened with extra tax etc as well as the people who have their work ethic etc wiped out by multi-generational welfare.
        
        Or, maybe, we could borrow…. but that’s just nasty to the unborn generations that don’t have a say in the matter.
        
        As for real Kiwi values? Maybe they had a better idea about that back in the 50s and 60s when people didn’t just grab any handout they could. People were thankful for being able to afford a simple house with single glazing.
        
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        April 20, 2017 5:41pm
- PhilBest
  
  The problem with that, is that the way housing “supply” is distorted (actually the land market), you can guarantee that ANYTHING on the demand side will just push prices up some more.
  
  If you do have a properly adjusted market where the prices don’t get pushed up by every demand input (income increases, immigration, interest rate cuts, subsidies, tax breaks etc) then you have a median multiple consistently around 3 to 4 and no volatility. Once you have a median multiple that has been over 6 for a decade and is now over 10, it is misguided to talk about “incomes needing to be increased to compensate”. It ain’t gonna work that way.
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:40am
  - KevOB
    
    …properly adjusted market…
    Economic theory may ignore humans. If the money supply is increased prices must increase proportionally or else inequalities arise in the relative values between the parties in the trading of goods and services. That unfairness is quickly perceived and prices moved to adjust to the extra money available to pay for them.
    
    For housing the price drivers are demand and money supply. Once immigration was considered to be a GDP driver. Cheap money from the FED and others have pushed global asset prices as it gets wholesaled through global banking networks. Add to that increasing expectations as to what is an acceptable basic dwelling and prices will rise.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:25am
    - PhilBest
      
      Does money supply push up the real price of flat-screen TV’s, and does it push up the real price of houses in Houston?
      
      This is a red herring being used by those who don’t want the crisis solved, and keeping attention diverted away from those Soviet Central Planners in Councils all over the world, with their pretexts of “saving the planet”.
      
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      April 20, 2017 9:35am
  - Peter
    
    Agreed Phil.
    
    The solution is obvious and proven. It has been implemented in Texas.
    
    Town planners here and their idiot left-green cheerleaders are the exact same people complaining about the unfairness of high housing prices on the poor.
    
    Yet they are the root cause of it.
    
    When I explain this to them, I may as well be explaining quantum physics. Their “solution” appears to be to limit land availability even further.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:57am
    - PhilBest
      
      It is so depressing, what you say is absolutely right, I have plenty of this experience too. Every bleedin’-heart social justice organisation wants high density State housing and apartment blocks as “the solution”, always with “more public transport provision”, and even tighter urban planning to “save the planet even more”.
      
      The “end of the Cold War” was just a ruse. The Commies knew they had the long war won, the west was so saturated with their useful idiots.
      
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      April 20, 2017 10:26am
      - Peter
        
        Yes.
        
        The problem is that few people want to live in apartments when they can choose to live in a house.
        
        This is what market demand tells us.
        
        Apartments are fine if you’re retired or young w/o kids AND enjoy dense urban living, but that demographic is a small subset of the NZ housing market. Part of the New Zealand mindset is love of the outdoors and personal space, else what’s the point of living here?
        
        Many of these greenists who advocate apartments don’t live in apartments, themselves. So, given that demand, the answer is “much more land development”, or have high land prices.
        
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        April 20, 2017 11:04am
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see the last “I am Innocent”? It was about a woman with a brutal partner. When her 7 month old baby died she took the rap for him. She did not do jail time but that affected her of course. About 10 years later he found God and plead guilty to the killing of their baby and was sentenced to 3 years jail. She has been totally separated from him for years.

She has tried to get he conviction wiped without success. There no indication they both abused the baby. What is wrong with our so called justice system?
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April 20, 2017 8:14am
- cmm
  
  This is TV. It is entertainment. It is deliberately scripted to push your buttons.
  
  Don’t take it so seriously.
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    cmm , like your posts here on KB ?
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:58am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I’m staggered that anybody watches this rubbish . I’m aware of its existence through seeing promos for it…. but I watch everything pre-recorded and there’s no way I would waste my time with this. Life is too precious to squander on garbage.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:54am
    - Kimbo
      
      Like interacting on a thread initiated by the intellectual giant that is Chuck “I’m re-entering the Pike River Mine with Winston/Catriona MacLennan is a lesbian” Bird?! Sorry, I know it was low-hanging fruit but I couldn’t resist! 😉
      
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      April 20, 2017 10:03am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Nice try but no, not at all like discussing a topic on an online forum such as KB. Entirely different 😀
        
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        April 20, 2017 10:19am
      - Kimbo
        
        Entirely different
        
        You and your low-hanging fruit, you big tease.
        
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        April 20, 2017 10:21am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Dave do you think the case of David Dougherty was rubbish? After the real rapist was caught the police did not want to admit that Dougherty was innocent just as this woman was.
      
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      April 20, 2017 11:36am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes I think that case was rubbish. If a person confesses to a crime they should take whatever punishment they get. Like, if they deliberately step out in front of a train, they can’t complain if they get squashed. Also, falsely confessing to a crime is perverting the course of justice, as VicParking pointed out below.
        
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        April 20, 2017 3:14pm
- G152
  
  They don’t call it the criminal justice system without good reason
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:23am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    and then there are all the criminal lawyers…
    
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    April 20, 2017 11:35am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    G152
    “They don’t call it the criminal justice system without good reason”
    
    They do actually. Our courts have absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with justice. It is a legal system. That is entirely different.
    
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    April 20, 2017 12:18pm
- lifesgood
  
  Are the people in these programmes the actual people or are they actors? I’m curious because they all seem very articulate, more articulate than most and according to their stories some of them come from backgrounds that wouldn’t suggest those language skills.
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:46am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I didn’t see this week’s programme, but the one last week about the guy falsely accused of raping his foster daughter used actors throughout.
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:56am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Last weeks program was all actors. This week appeared to have the actual woman although there would have been some actors in the earlier reenactments. The retired police officer who helped her was not an actor.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:11am
- VicParking
  
  Wipe her conviction them charge her with perverting the course of justice and send her to jail
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:01am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Did you see the show? Should she be sent to jail regardless if she is found not guilty.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:07am
Happychappy

Labour and Andrew Little’s answer to every story must be a tape that he has to keep playing just so he can believe it and fell better about his own ratings. How can a man that is a absolute failure can keep saying “Bill English is indecisive and a weak Leader ” when you have just seen him implement the biggest Pay rise in NZ history and give Labour no air for criticism of it and work with the Union to how it will be implemented has again left Labour to return to their whining an whinging on Housing and Immigration.
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April 20, 2017 8:24am
- alwyn
  
  I finally watched Q&A last night.
  They had a chat with Michael Bassett about his new book and included a little clip of David Lange when the reporter asked him for a “short word”. Without looking at the reporter, hesitating for a second or even breaking stride Lange came out with a short word.
  “Wombat”.
  How has Labour gone from such a witty leader like Lange to the ignorant charisma-free zone that is their current leader?
  
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  April 20, 2017 12:32pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    In only seven somewhat laborious steps, each, arguably, worse than what went before!
    
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    April 20, 2017 2:00pm
Viking2

So the we have a right to be offended parade is out again today.

The backpackers’ vehicle rental company Wicked Campers is making a mockery of attempts to curb the use of offensive slogans on its vans. It has ignored repeated rulings against it by the Advertising Standards Authority, showing contempt not just for the complainants, but for the rest of us too.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/91705806/editorial-time-to-throw-wicked-campers-on-the-barbie

Except I am not offended at all. They have total right to free speech.

I don’t necessarily condone what they write but its their property and unfortunately property rights and freedom of speech appear to be the target of these people. Communists all.
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April 20, 2017 8:27am
- mikenmild
  
  I tend to agree. I find their slogans juvenile and distasteful, but clearly there is a market for such vans – otherwise no one would hire them.
  The idea that someone travelling here would want to hire a campervan adorned with slogans that offend many locals seems remarkable though.
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:35am
  - PhilBest
    
    It’s a kind of “Milo Yiannopoulos effect”. Political Correctness is now such a pain in the neck, that many people feel it is worth going OTT in being a deliberate provocateur against it, just for the hang of it.
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      I get it . Do you believe that for example the disabled should be easy targets for mocking and ridiculing ?
      
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      April 20, 2017 9:01am
      - PhilBest
        
        Disabled straw men like yours, yes.
        
        It is not that anyone getting pissed off with PC will stoop to ridiculing genuinely unfortunate people; the deliberate provocation is aimed at social justice “warriors” and their virtue-signalling and their Orwellian Newspeak.
        
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        April 20, 2017 9:42am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        I don’t think the disabled should be targets for mocking or ridicule; I would be quite offended were someone to mock my severely disabled eldest child and have a very negative impression of anyone who did.
        
        BUT I also think it is better to challenge offensive speech when delivered rather than suppress its delivery completely because once we start down the track of exempting groups of people from ridicule and attaching legal penalties to such ridicule, these exemptions are continually extended to the point that reasoned criticism and open discussion become impossible as groups use claims of offence and hate speech to suppress alternative opinions and criticism of their own beliefs and behaviour.
        
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        April 20, 2017 10:13am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I would hazard that the majority of overseas people who hire those camper vans cannot read or understand the ‘humour’ that they spread
    
    I think some are funny, some are clever, and some that are neither funny or clever becoming offensive to many at all levels.
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:52am
- lifesgood
  
  Yes, I agree with free speech but, come on, there surely must be limits as to what is decent or not. Society seems to be descending into a muddy morass right now, because, you know, free speech and all that. I would prefer my grandchildren not to be reading their grubby slogans.
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:49am
  - jcuk
    
    Until people needing such vans stop hiring them the situation will not change and Wicked [UK] a few years ago was simply ‘Wicked’ which was bad enough for me on a 14 day visit.
    Before they realised that down in NZ you are so far from home you can flaunt your bad instincts.
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:59am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Yes, I agree with free speech but,
    
    Everything before the “but”is bullshit.
    Free speech is free speech not just the bits you agree with.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:21am
    - lifesgood
      
      Er um, no it is not. You can’t defame or slander people for example. You can’t incite racial hatred. Free speech being used as an excuse for vile behaviour is just pathetic.
      
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      April 20, 2017 10:14am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Yup, ask angry Andy. He used free speech as an excuse for vile behaviour, unfortunately enough jurors thought it was acceptable rather than pathetic, so allowed him to essentially get away with it.
        
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        April 20, 2017 11:37am
- Rich Prick
  
  The slogans are a form of guerrilla marketing, designed to achieve maximum exposure for minimal cost. Every piece of controversy, every case brought with the ASA, and even this editorial, perversely gives them more publicity and helps them achieve their ends.
  
  I wonder whether the Advertising Standards Authority and the perpetually offended realise they are being played for all they are worth? If not, more fool them.
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:49am
- KevOB
  
  Is offensive signwriting a “breach of the peace”? The Crimes Act doesn’t define that term but does specifically provide ..”Every one who witnesses a breach of the peace is justified in interfering to prevent its continuance or renewal..”
  
  The ancient law that the public have the right not to be physically disturbed should also include emotional or other reactions.
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:44am
  - Ancient Dan
    
    Insane idea including emotional or other reactions. People have different emotional responses. That is political correctness writ large. the right to be offended.
    
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    April 20, 2017 11:10am
Happychappy

Well it looks like the fans coaches and rugby in general in Britton are not very happy with Warren Garland and his selection of the British Lions to tour NZ
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April 20, 2017 8:33am
- SGA
  
  It’s Warren Gatland, just btw 🙂
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:00am
  - Happychappy
    
    I do know that but unlike you I do make mistakes and frankly who cares.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:14am
    - SGA
      
      I don’t know what you do or don’t know, and I tried to make my correction as benign as possible (which I appreciate when I make mistakes).
      
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      April 20, 2017 9:28am
      - Happychappy
        
        But we are all not as clever as you. I did correct and did not look again my mistake.
        
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        April 20, 2017 9:37am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Actually I thought your correction was very benign. I joined with the intent of the odd post and making fun of people’s spelling mistakes (and my own), but after watching how people react on here, I decided to just post instead
        
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        April 20, 2017 11:38am
    - Dave Mann
      
      I defended you once because I thought you might be genuinely dyslexic… but now I am beginning to think you might be lazy and ignorant. Not stupid, because some of the things you say show that you are not unintelligent. Its a fine line though….
      
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      April 20, 2017 10:07am
      - Kimbo
        
        Plus everyone should know that in the at-times-petty-sandpit that is Kiiwblog (and I rise to acknowledge my ~~occasional~~ frequent contribution to that state of affairs)
        
        …SGA is a thorough and unfailing gentleman devoid of malice, deceit or pride who should be accorded the esteemed neutral status of the Red Cross. 😉
        
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        April 20, 2017 10:11am
      - Happychappy
        
        Let get one thing right did I ever mention that I was dyslexic and have you read what I have actually said. Some people are able to be quite clever in several other subjects and that help them achieve some of their goals. My ability in English borders on laziness if you like to put that way and my main teachers in that subject thought that way to but I do assure you I actually try not to make mistakes and don’t really like being criticized for doing so, Maths was my subject and got me good jobs all round NZ with office staff to help fix my illiteracy in English. Call it what you like but it really comes back to me being a fuckwit at English something that pisses me off being continually reminded of.
        
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        April 20, 2017 10:49am
      - SGA
        
        @Kimbo
        Did I die without realising it? 😉
        
        As a parent to teenagers, both past and present, I assure you that such a view is far from universal. Mark Twain is my beacon of hope –
        “When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years.”
        
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        April 20, 2017 11:37am
- Kimbo
  
  Not so sure if it is the fans, or more the nationalistic press in various parts of the four home countries. Warburton is a good choice as skipper and lead them successfully in Australia in 2013.
  
  But managing, coaching and captaining a Lions tour is the most difficult assignment in rugby, if not in sport. You have to create a team from scratch every three or four years, meld together people who, in the ordinary course of events have fierce international and historical rivalries, disappoint some supporters by omitting their local favourites, and keep a cohesive unit with no home games in some of the most difficult nations in which to win – well, New Zealand and South Africa, anyway. Plus the Lions lost the one and only fixture they have played (1977) in Fiji!
  
  Is no wonder that mutinies and/or unsuccessful capacity to adapt and work together affects Lions tours more than any other – Welsh players in both the 1950 and 1959 Lions intrigued against their Irish skippers, the captains of the 1966, 1977 and 1983 Lions, Michael Campbell-Lamerton, Phil Bennett and Cairan Fitzgerald were all noble and gallant but tragic failures who couldn’t cope in one way or another with the competitive pressures both on and off the field. And it was only the guts of the Paddies and Taffies who kept the “Clive Woodward show” on the road in 2005 once Lawrence Dallaglio and Brian O’Driscoll were invalided out. I remember Woodward foolishly subbing his gutsy stand-in Welsh skipper, Gareth Thomas during the last test in 2005. Amazing the Welsh supporters didn’t string Woodward up on the spot, it was such as senseless and insulting act to a guy who had given his guts.
  
  On a brighter note, the 1971 Lions leadership of manager Doug Smith (Scotland), coach Carwyn James (Wales) and captain John Dawes (Wales) were about the best of all time in the amateur era, although the senior pros on that tour – Ray McLoughlin, Willie John McBride, Mike Gibson helped. But Dawes was a massive failure as coach in 1977. And the 1993 combo of manager Geoff Cooke, (England) coach Ian McGeechan (Scotland), assistant coach Dick Best (England) and captain Gavin Hastings (Scotland) were very good and very unlucky. I’m still trying to figure out the reason for the award of that last minute penalty that Fox kicked to win the first test. Shades of Don Clarke’s six penalties to beat the magnificent Lions four tries in the first test at Carisbrook, Dunedin in 1959!
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:15am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Excellent analysis Kimbo.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:53am
  - towaka
    
    Was Fox playing in 83?…I was living in Oz at the time so do not remember much of this tour but have vivid memories of the 77 tour.
    
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    April 20, 2017 12:04pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yep, although I think you meant 1993 (although a young pre-All Black Fox kicked a last minute drop goal to help Auckland beat the 1983 Lions early in their tour. They also went on to lose to Canterbury and the series 4-0, with a rout in the last test. The 1993 team had a good Saturday team, but their midweek dirt trackers under Will Carling fell apart as the tour went on and they lost to Hawkes Bay and Waikato. Also games lost to Otago and Auckland. But they should have won the first and kicked our arse in the second, and we cheated in the lineouts in the third, although we were very good on the day. Successful debut to Lee Stensness).
      
      Fox retired at the end of that domestic 1993 winter after playing Australia and Western Samoa. And the paucity of no. 10s before Andrew Mehrtens merged caused them to try the Marc Ellis experiment at first five eighth. Then, when he was injured Simon Mannix and Stephen Bachop (missed kick to touch = try from the end of the world) in the difficult winter of 1994.
      
      Yes, I am the same with 1977. First major tour that occurred when I was a kid – Grant Batty on one leg intercepting to win the first test then retiring, Colin Farrell (yikes!), Sid Going dropped for the third test, Bevan Wilson’s great debut, Ian Kirkpatrick scoring in the first minute of that test match, and then the Lawrie Knight try that won the match and series in the last few minutes of the last test against the run of play. The Lions that day lost the same way we did against France at Cardiff in 2007 , winning and controlling 80% of possession and they were behind on the scoreboard at fulltime – “how the hell did that happen?!”
      
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      April 20, 2017 12:21pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Highlights of the first test of 1977 including Grant Batty out sprinting (just) Andy Irvine and (prop!) Graham Price. As per Batts’ explanation, “the knee wasn’t in great shape, but if I had to run to Island Bay to score, I woulda done it!” 😉
      
      A little guy with a heart the size of a pumpkin.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_QnbwtG_tY
      
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      April 20, 2017 12:37pm
  - Paulus
    
    Some of us who have no affiliation in any way to Rugby could not care a damn.
    
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    April 20, 2017 1:31pm
Captain Mainwaring

The Greens have called for an enquiry into NZ’s mental health services.
I would agree, as long as the enquiry includes trying to find out why about 10% of New Zealanders support the Greens.
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April 20, 2017 8:38am
- Happychappy
  
  Your very sharp this morning Captain.
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:41am
  - bc
    
    He spent all last night working on it.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:22am
- PhilBest
  
  The Chasers, 2010: “I Voted Green, because….”
  
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH_MBwQhGgA
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:56am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Kapitain ,
  
  And how many supoort the deluded alt right and Trumpists like you ?
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:02am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
    
    So you’re accusing me of being deluded and a Trumpist.
    Evidence?
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      He is also accusing you of being alt-right.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right
      
      As you can see from this article, that means you are being smeared with being a supporter of white supremacist, neo-Nazi, antisemite, islamaphobic and homophobic beliefs.
      
      I have objected strongly to stephieboy’s unwarranted use of this term here on KB.
      
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      April 20, 2017 11:32am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W , it could help if you posted your definition of alt right and I will try to use that definition as a reference and benchmark .
        
        I found this one useful ,
        
        http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/121/676/8af.png
        
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        April 20, 2017 12:56pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        it could help if you posted your definition of alt right
        
        Didn’t you read my posting?
        
        But from the image you have posted, it is clear that you are associating commenters who you call alt-righters with NAZIs … going by that swastika symbol.
        
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        April 20, 2017 2:16pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Another day in the tipsy turvy world of the President ,

“Donald Trump orders government to ‘buy American’ despite manufacturing products in 12 different countries
Mr Trump’s most recent executive order is met with allegations of hypocrisy.”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-buy-american-order-despite-foreign-workers-manufacturing-abroad-a7689951.html

Doesn’t this “Buy American” have a familiar local ring ?

Weren’t the Greens not that long ago advocating the same here ? That was greeted with mocked derision on KB and elsewhere ,by I believe, the very same Trumpists today ?

Discuss !
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April 20, 2017 8:41am
- Rich Prick
  
  Obsessive compulsion takes many forms. This one has been on the rise since 8 November 2016.
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    The President is revving the up his “Buy American ” as from yesterday.
    
    You might consider the same for our country ?
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:19am
    - Rich Prick
      
      I’m sorry, this topic doesn’t interest me one little bit. Find someone else to play with.
      
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      April 20, 2017 9:26am
      - Kimbo
        
        Then don’t feed the troll in the first place! 😉
        
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        April 20, 2017 9:41am
holysheet

Dicuss?
Do you mean double cuss, (di = 2) or are you talking about homosexual activity dick arse. please explain.

you stooopidboy.
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April 20, 2017 8:47am
- VicParking
  
  The spelling policeman is at it again.
  Its like he has nothing to contribute….
  Shot the messanger…. evan though you understand the message.
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:06am
- bc
  
  Unbelievable, 11 people upticked that comment from holysheet. So much for intelligent debate.
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:24am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    13 and climbing.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:32am
  - Happychappy
    
    Some people on here think they are above average and clever than most so like to belittle people that aren’t so good and make mistakes. I know I am a fuckwit at English and enjoy coming here to debate and read other people’s views so you have to put up with the shit they dish out.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:52am
dime

bill o’reilly gets the ass.. i guess he has his 70 mill to fall back on.

who knows how many of these allegations are legit. $13 million in payouts. good work if you can get it.

im sure where there is smoke there is fire though. hes most probably been an asshole.

i guess its a power trip? cause will billy money you can get some hot hookers who keep their mouths shut..
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April 20, 2017 8:50am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Or not as the situation demands . . .
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:54am
- PhilBest
  
  Not dismissing the possibilities, but I am prepared to believe that loyal SJW women are totally prepared to commit perjury to bring down anyone on the right who looks like a threat. It’s because “the cause” justifies anything.
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:00am
  - VicParking
    
    This is a major problem. Organisations now react to any fake news or social media post no matter how stupid it might be. The first reports are taken as the truth no matter how absurb they might be.
    It takes too long for the truth to come out because the investigators are ARSE covering first investigating second.
    The PR people say “deal with it” because the first story is on page one and the result of the investigation in two months time will be on page 6 under the cat club article. “Meanwhile our brand will suffer…..”
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:16am
  - PhilBest
    
    Remember what happened to Herman Cain…
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:45am
  - Kimbo
    
    Meh. Works the other way with right wingers – Chile 1973. You gotta do what you gotta do. As per Sean Connery in ‘The Rock’: “You’ll do your best? Losers whine ‘I’ll do my best’. Winners f*%$ the Prom Queen!”
    
    Except, it would seem, if you are Bill O’Reilly…
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:45am
    - PhilBest
      
      Yeah, but given the outcomes, mightn’t the freedom-oriented Right actually have a little justification? Look at Chile’s economic outcomes following Pinochet (who always intended to step down once his work was done), versus those of Cuba following Castro, or Venezuela following Chavez.
      
      You can bet the left-dominated writing of history will have scripted a lot of violent lefty terrorists as “innocent victims” of right-wing regimes. While of course the exponentially more numerous victims of lefty regimes were always “reactionaries who deserved it”.
      
      Nothing eludes leftists brain-power more than people who will fight for (or fund activism for) freedom per se (as opposed to revolutionary control-freak fascists of the “right”, and crony-capitalist stooges of the “right”). For the left, it always has to be about maneuvers for power, and they are masters at inventing “constructs” to explain everything through this filter.
      
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      April 20, 2017 10:39am
      - Kimbo
        
        I agree – not that Pinochet wasn’t a prick and his regime was needlessly brutal and repressive – but nonetheless you are still rationalising that “the ends justifies the means”…despite criticising your ideological opposites for the same thing.
        
        But from their perspective (not that I agree), they don’t “create constructs”. Hegemonic oppression already exists, and in response they are “consciousness-raising”, with deteriorating conditions confirmation that, like a religious Apocalypse, the inevitable “revolution” and open warfare between classes is moving ever closer.
        
        But yes, as per an exchange I had with tirebiter on General Debate concerning Richard Nixon, it is a tedious implication that nearly every nasty Marxist, Maoist or Trotskyite-inspired revolutionary is portrayed as noble nationalist anti-colonialist, e.g., the Greek Civil War, Ho Chi Minh, the Malayan Emergency, the Filipino Huk Rebellion, Castro, Che Guevera…
        
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        April 20, 2017 10:52am
  - dime
    
    true that. it worked when they got rid of billys boss…
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:47am
Maggy Wassilieff

Greenpeace fined for breaking spending rules in 2015 UK election.

https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2017/04/19/greenpeace-and-friends-of-the-earth-fined-for-breaking-campaigning-rules/
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April 20, 2017 8:52am
- VicParking
  
  I hope they are watched during our election.
  Start damping the bus tickets electorial commision.
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:08am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Indeed. We’ve seen just in the last week the kind of stunts Greenpeace and its head honcho in NZ will resort to.
    
    Speaking of which, I presume the wetsuit and flotation aids Russel Norman used last week when he took a dip in front of (but some distance away from) the oil exploration ship contained no products derived from oil exploration/drilling.
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:56am
    - kowtow
      
      Yip , and what was powering their protest boat , it wasn’t Hippy Piss and I didn’t see any sails , neither hemp nor flax.
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/91403752/russel-normanled-greenpeace-activists-under-investigation-for-disrupting-oil-exploration-ship
      
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      April 20, 2017 10:32am
      - MH
        
        Was that the Carl Vinson in the background. I see no signal….
        
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        April 20, 2017 2:37pm
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Holyturd,

shall I put more simply for your little mind to ponder over with these options ,

” talk about, talk through, converse about, debate, confer about, put your heads together about, deliberate about, chew over, consider, exchange views “
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April 20, 2017 8:54am
- stigie
  
  Crikey, Stiffy on fire again today..?
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:50am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  or discuss
  
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  April 20, 2017 10:00am
Rich Prick

Jody Hopkinson started an online petition in February for tampons and pads to be funded to make them more accessible to people in need.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/91695342/pharmac-rejects-funding-bid-for-sanitary-items-on-grounds

At 22 cents each, I had no idea the things were so expensive that the taxpayer needs to be touched up to fund them. Find a new hobby-horse Jody.
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April 20, 2017 9:50am
Hugh Pavletich

Why on earth is Nick Smith persisting in being incompetent, playing along with this nonsense of Vicki Buck of the Christchurch City Council ?

(Christchurch) Council and Government provide $6m boost for Christchurch first-home buyers | Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/91700441/council-and-government-provide-6m-boost-for-christchurch-firsthome-buyers

… Paulson (Pavletich) comment on thread …

The Taxpayer Union is correct.

Councillor Vicki Buck is failing to deal with the supply impediments … and has opted instead to just throw ratepayers money at it, with another half-baked scheme where the details have yet to be worked through.

Christchurch housing is internationally rated ‘severely unaffordable’ at 5.9 times household incomes according to the latest Demographia Survey. To rate as ‘affordable’ housing needs to be at or below 3 times household incomes.

Why are Councillor Vicki Buck and her Council still failing to deal with the supply impediments ?

Check out the GONE GONE GOING section of http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org .
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April 20, 2017 9:54am
- Keeping Stock
  
  “Check out the GONE GONE GOING section of …”
  
  Pardon me, but I’ll pass on that Hugh. All those hyperlinks would drive me even madder than I already am 😎
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:58am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  ADEQUATE NEW SUPPLY LOWERS RENTS IN GREATER CHRISTCHURCH … INTEREST CO NZ
  
  … Why hasn’t new housing supply increased like Greater Christchurch ? …
  
  Median rents up $50 a week over last 12 months in parts of Auckland; Rents continuing to increase sharply when supply is also increasing suggests supply is still falling well short of demand | interest.co.nz
  
  https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87181/median-rents-50-week-over-last-12-months-parts-auckland-rents-continuing-increase
  
  By Greg Ninness
  
  Median rents have increased by $50 a week a week in parts of Auckland over the last 12 months, according to the latest housing bond data collected by Tenancy Services.
  
  Across the entire country the median rent for new tenancies completed in March was $400 a week, up by $20, or 5.3%, a week compared to March 2016.
  
  But rent increases were considerably higher in much of the upper North Island and Wellington and more modest in the rest of the country, with median rents in Christchurch continuing to decline. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  … refer Fig 10 Page 26 …
  
  2017 13th Annual Demographia international Housing Affordability Survey
  
  http://www.demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
  … and …
  
  RESTORING-AFFORDABLE-HOUSING: AN ADVOCATES TALE pdf
  
  http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/RESTORING-AFFORDABLE-HOUSING.pdf
  
  … extract …
  
  … THE GRAPH THAT SAYS IT ALL !
  
  Recently Donald Ellis of North Canterbury New Zealand, prepared a graph of New Zealand’s building consent performance since 1970 … and the local government areas of the bureaucratically bloated and dysfunctional Auckland and Christchurch … and the smaller and functional (populations about 50,000) Waimakariri and Selwyn … since 1996.
  
  The graph employing the standard industry measure of the consent rate per 1,000 population per annum.
  
  Building consent information was sourced from … Building Consents Issued – Statistics New Zealand … read more via hyperlink above …
  
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  April 20, 2017 11:02am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz…………..oh shit, the alarm went off.
    
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    April 20, 2017 11:49am
  - tusker
    
    Large parts of CHCH buggered by an EQ with heavily degraded land requiring complex foundation solutions and a council overwhelmed by the disaster response. Selwyn comparatively lightly affected and with generally simple land issues, Waimakariri much the same apart from Kaiapoi. Hardly comparing apples with apples since 2010.
    
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    April 20, 2017 12:07pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Latest figures show Government spent $550 mln of taxpayers’ money in past three months to put roofs over the heads of Kiwis – but the waiting list for houses is still getting bigger | interest.co.nz
      
      https://www.interest.co.nz/property/87217/latest-figures-show-government-spent-550-mln-taxpayers-money-past-three-months-put
      
      By David Hargreaves
      
      The Government spent over $6 million of taxpayers’ money a day in the first quarter of the year (a total of $550 million) putting a roof over Kiwis’ heads – but the waiting list for social housing grew.
      
      In releasing the latest Social Housing Quarterly Report from the Ministry of Social Development, Social Housing Minister Amy Adams says the increase in growth of the Housing Register (waiting list) “has slowed”.
      
      “At the end of March, there were 4865 applicants on the register – up just 2% from 4771 in the previous quarter,” she said. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      April 20, 2017 2:02pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Census: More Americans 18-to-34 Now Live With Parents Than With Spouse … cns news
        
        http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-more-americans-18-34-now-live-parents-spouse
        
        By Terence P. Jeffrey | April 19, 2017 | 4:36 PM EDT
        
        (Wikimedia Commons/Framartin)
        (CNSNews.com) – Four decades ago, in the mid-1970s, young American adults–in the 18-to-34 age bracket–were far more likely to be married and living with a spouse than living in their parents’ home.
        
        But that is no longer the case, according to a new study by the U.S. Census Bureau. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
        Sydney median house price hits $1.15 million: Buying becoming ‘out of the question’ … Domain
        
        https://www.domain.com.au/news/sydney-median-house-price-hits-115-million-buying-becoming-out-of-the-question-20170419-gvmnp8/
        
        Domain: Sydney’s median house price tops $1.15 million – MacroBusiness *behind paywall)
        
        https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/04/domain-sydneys-median-house-price-tops-1-15-million/
        
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        April 20, 2017 4:26pm
kowtow

Amusing , these businesses will eventually be shut down by the Sharia that the migrants bring in.

“More than 200 bars, clubs and eateries around Cologne have also signed up to participate in a campaign to dissuade AfD members from sampling the local Kölsch beer.

The demonstration is simple: bars are using beer coasters to make their opposition to the AfD clear, printed with the words: “No Kölsch for Nazis – No room for racism”.’

https://www.thelocal.de/20170419/thousands-of-protesters-expected-to-shut-down-afd-conference
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April 20, 2017 9:56am
- 4077th
  
  Boardering on Stockholm Syndrome…
  
  Thinking about what I had just typed, Stockholm could very well be suffering from its own namesake? There is a bush, I have two birds 🙂
  
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  April 20, 2017 1:41pm
Rodney Randall

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9c5_1492578603

Mechanical God
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April 20, 2017 10:20am
stephieboy

The President finally gets his bearings and locates his aircrft carrier ,

https://d3nd7i493f0o21.cloudfront.net/assets/upload/372245/-
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April 20, 2017 11:39am
- KevinH
  
  Trump actually said :
  
  “We are sending an armada. Very powerful.”
  
  He didn’t mention the USS Carl Vinson in name, that statement was made by the Navy who said:
  
  The Navy on April 8 said it was directing a naval strike group headed by the USS Carl Vinson supercarrier to “sail north,” as a “prudent measure” to deter North Korea.
  
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  April 20, 2017 1:11pm
  - Paulus
    
    It appears quite clever and the so called media fell for it.
    Trump is slowly getting their number.
    And they don’t like it as they believe they are more clever than anybody.
    Like the so called media in New Zealand.
    
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    April 20, 2017 1:36pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Kevin H ,
    
    I’m afraid others don’t see it that way ,
    
    ‘Trump’s lie over the Carl Vinson’: South Korean anger over US carrier confusion”
    
    “..On Wednesday, after it was revealed that the carrier strike group was actually thousands of kilometres away and had been heading in the opposite direction, toward the Indian Ocean, South Koreans felt bewildered, cheated and manipulated by the United States, their country’s most important ally.
    “Trump’s lie over the Carl Vinson,” read a headline on the website of the newspaper JoongAng Ilbo on Wednesday. “Xi Jinping and Putin must have had a good jeer over this one.
    
    “Like North Korea, which is often accused of displaying fake missiles during military parades, is the United States, too, now employing ‘bluffing’ as its North Korea policy?” the article asked.
    The episode raised questions about whether major allies of the United States, like South Korea and Japan, had been informed of the carrier’s whereabouts, and whether the misinformation undercut US strategy to contain North Korea’s nuclear ambitions by using empty threats.
    
    Compounding their anger over the Carl Vinson episode, many South Koreans also were riled at Trump for his assertion in a Wall Street Journal interview last week that the Korean Peninsula “used to be a part of China.” Although Korea was often invaded by China and forced to pay tributes to its giant neighbour, many Koreans say the notion that they were once Chinese subjects is egregiously insulting.
    “The 50 million South Koreans, as well as many common-sensical people around the world, cannot help but feel embarrassed and shocked,” said Youn Kwan-suk, spokesman of the main opposition Democratic Party, which is leading in voter surveys ahead of the May 9 presidential election…”
    
    http://www.smh.com.au/world/trumps-lie-over-the-carl-vinson-us-defence-head-jim-mattis-addresses-confusion-20170419-gvo7gu.html
    
    Paulus , “Trump is slowly getting their number ” ?
    
    Factual basis given the above debacles ?
    
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    April 20, 2017 3:02pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Carl Vinson was in Busan last month…. it’s been prowling around the Peninsula on & off.
      http://www.maritime-executive.com/article/uss-carl-vinson-joins-exercise-at-port-of-busan
      
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      April 20, 2017 3:49pm
    - KevinH
      
      Trump did’nt lie, it’s another example of how fake news is perpetuated.
      
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      April 20, 2017 3:53pm
krazykiwi

I’m no economist, but I am trying to learn a bit about the relationship between CPI (price movements), and the amount currency in circulation.

In 1998 NZ had $1,133b in circulation, and by 2004 this had risen to $3,067b, a CAGR of 6.03%. Oddly, the RBNZ figures stop after 2004.

Over the same period our CPI averaged 2.9%.

Can any of our economics experts help me understand what this means, in terms of the impact on the ‘average’ NZer?
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April 20, 2017 11:48am
- rangitoto
  
  You would think currency in circulation would have dropped. I hardly ever use cash these days but maybe it’s all the millions I have hidden under the matress.
  
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  April 20, 2017 12:47pm
  - 4077th
    
    I bet you don’t have as much under your mattress as Sonny Bill Wankfest has 🙂
    
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    April 20, 2017 1:45pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How to amass $43 million in just over a year.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-39646256
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April 20, 2017 11:48am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  He must have told a hell of a lot of people that they had an unknown inheritance in Nigeria.
  
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  April 20, 2017 11:51am
Dave Mann

On the Fresno murders, did anybody else here notice that the killer was a (black) Muslim, but the news media reported it as a ‘racial hate crime’, even though the killer shouted out ‘Allahu Akbar’ after the had killed these three innocent people?

I’m glad to see that The Blaze has picked up on this:

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/04/19/ap-changes-fresno-killers-words-from-allahu-akbar-to-english-equivalency-breaking-its-own-rules/
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April 20, 2017 12:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

“A police officer was attempting to catch a speeding car when they crashed their motorcycle on an Auckland motorway, seriously injuring themselves.”

This nonsense-speak mumbo-jumbo does my head in. How many officers were on the motorcycle?
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April 20, 2017 12:35pm
- Nookin
  
  I think that you will find that there was only one and this is journalist speak which basically means that the journalist does not know whether it was a him or a her
  
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  April 20, 2017 1:34pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So the answer is bloody find out so you don’t sound like an illiterate twat using plurals when the situation is singular.
    
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    April 20, 2017 2:28pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Captain, I normally admire optimism, but you seem to think you can read a newspaper and find intelligence in content and style. That might be a little beyond hopeful and into the realms of fantasy.
      
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      April 20, 2017 4:34pm
RRM

The Civilian on the Green party: brutal! But accurate.

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/the-greens-because-you-take-great-pride-in-riding-your-bicycle-to-your-coal-heated-workplace/
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April 20, 2017 1:12pm
- tusker
  
  No coal heating any more; today the greens announced they will subsidise power bills using taxpayer cash.
  
  Power use will increase, efficiency incentives vanish, surplus generation capacity eliminated = more power stations needed. Brilliant !
  
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  April 20, 2017 2:09pm
Longknives

Maybe I’m too Cynical but does anyone else believe this Guy was trying to cure Constipation?

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3361785/constipated-man-inserts-live-eel-up-his-bum/
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April 20, 2017 1:24pm
- mikenmild
  
  There was a story many years ago about a well-known NZ TV personality who allegedly turned up at A&E with a Marmite jar in his rectum, the result of a ‘gardening accident’.
  
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  April 20, 2017 2:17pm
starboard

Marmite fingers Pete..

Back in Bangkok for couple nights mm..gona see how many glory holes I can find for you. Will map them then send them to you…no charge.
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April 20, 2017 2:47pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Mikenmild:
  
  a well-known NZ TV personality who allegedly turned up at A&E with a Marmite jar in his rectum
  
  Starboard:
  
  mm..gona see how many glory holes I can find for you
  
  I think it’s your turn to serve, Mikenmild?
  
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  April 20, 2017 3:12pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Anything anal-related seems sure to attract starboard’s attention.
    
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    April 20, 2017 4:41pm
    - starboard
      
      Sheesh…just tryin to help out a fellow Kiwiblogger…?
      
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      April 20, 2017 4:48pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      In the spirit of holding you to account milky, showing fear nor favour to none, I note that you beat starboard out of the blocks on this one.
      
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      April 20, 2017 5:34pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Longknives started it. I was just inserting a relevant anecdote.
        
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        April 20, 2017 5:38pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Oh, so it was a gardening accident …
        
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        April 20, 2017 5:40pm
Jack5

Only in China!

Man puts eel up his arse to cure constipation. It nearly kills him.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11841819
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April 20, 2017 2:59pm
- nasska
  
  It’s more common than you think Jack! From http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/84498414/hospitals-record-upsurge-in-foreign-object-emergencies
  
  …..”Of 49 “foreign body events” since the start of 2014, four involved objects inserted “in multiple areas”……..People in greater Wellington have also gone to hospital with screws and bottles in inconvenient places”……
  
  The article carries on to confirm, as expected, that this type of depravity is largely confined to cities
  .
  ….” “As answered each time this question comes up, none,” a Wairarapa DHB interim health services director said when asked about the number of foreign object incidents.”…..
  
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  April 20, 2017 5:15pm
  - mikenmild
    
    But it is well-known that veterinarians in rural areas are accustomed to similar emergencies…
    
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    April 20, 2017 5:18pm
    - SGA
      
      That’s a little unfair. What are you supposed to do if your sheep is constipated and there’s not an eel handy?
      
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      April 20, 2017 5:22pm
    - nasska
      
      It’s one of the consequences of allowing Wellingtonians to travel over the Rimutakas Mike. 🙂
      
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      April 20, 2017 5:25pm
Happychappy

Well Andrew Little is trying to drum up up some headlines for himself and Labour over the wage increase for caregivers for the elderly saying that the Government were dragged in to the negotiations kicking and screaming. It looks like he is really pissed at the complements being paid to National by the Union, workers and the media that has sucked away any air that they thought Labour would achieve had the court case continued.
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April 20, 2017 3:23pm
Nostradamus

From a Labour Party press release published yesterday:

“New Zealand needs a fresh approach to immigration. Labour’s immigration policy will reduce overall numbers, stop the rorts that allow low-skill people to get residency, make it easier to get the skilled workers we need, and invest in training our own people to do the work our economy needs,” says Andrew Little.

I can’t find an immigration policy on the Announced Policies webpage. Does Labour actually have one? Conscientious voters (which many of us Kiwibloggers are) may wish to test Andrew Little’s vague claims against his actual policy.
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April 20, 2017 3:32pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  There is no policy, it’s being made up on the hop. And of course it will include bans on low-skilled PIs. …………oh wait, they vote for us so we have to let them in.
  
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  April 20, 2017 3:43pm
- thedavincimode
  
  My how the worm has turned on this one. Looking for some input from Chinky Twyford on this.
  
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  April 20, 2017 5:28pm
Fletch

The Greens now want the Govt to subsidize people’s power bills in the Winter….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/91734436/power-bill-subsidies-for-lowerincome-families-under-greens-power-policy

What will they come up with next?? And where would the money come from? They also want 100 per cent renewable energy by 2030. That will never, ever happen, of course. Renewables are totally unreliable.
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April 20, 2017 5:00pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “What will they come up with next?”
  
  Free bicycles, mung beans and roman sandals, but only for those who voted for us.
  
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  April 20, 2017 5:11pm
- howitis
  
  Alright then.
  The Gweens want to artificially release more stored energy into the environment and warm the planet.
  
  Is this because they have woken up to the fact there is no global warming and they need to validate their previous lies with additional artificial heat?
  Sneaky bastards!
  
  Yay. Let’s turn on all the heaters and the Gummint can pay coz, well, its magic money.
  Just print more do ray me.
  Gween environMENTAL policy meets Gween financial policy.
  
  Surely any decent environMENTAL policy would start with people not having more kids than they can afford to clothe, feed, and keep warm.
  Maybe the Gweenies have spent too long on reading Marx and homeopath books to have read Malthus.
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:07pm
Steve (North Shore)

Currently in a caravan at Mangawhai Heads. Have my boat here as well. Went for a drive around Mangawhai and then Langs Beach and Waipu Cove. There is a lot going on, new houses being built everywhere – same as Waiheke Island when I was there last Jan.
Question, where is this poverty I keep hearing about? The Country is booming!
Of course there are those who won’t work and thing the Taxpayer owes them a living, but where is this poverty? and why are they in poverty? Too fucking lazy is my guess.
Rant over.
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April 20, 2017 5:01pm
- SGA
  
  Went for a drive around Mangawhai and then Langs Beach and Waipu Cove. There is a lot going on, new houses being built everywhere – same as Waiheke Island when I was there last Jan.
  Question, where is this poverty I keep hearing about? The Country is booming!
  
  Mangawhai, Langs Beach, Waipu Cove, Waiheke Island – if I was doing fact-finding mission on poverty in NZ, that’s where I’d start too 🙂
  
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  April 20, 2017 5:31pm
  - mikenmild
    
    It hasn’t got the media attention it deserves, but it is getting pretty hard to find a reasonable holiday home for under $1.5 million these days.
    
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    April 20, 2017 5:40pm
    - Brigitte
      
      Absolutely, it’s a nightmare for the first holiday home buyer out there!
      
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      April 20, 2017 5:53pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      And costs shitloads. Nobody will give it to you Mike, so you have to fucking work for it. Do you see the ‘key’ word Mike?
      Fucking WORK WORK WORK, not moaning about National this National that, poverty poverty poverty, fuck the Govt they don’t help use poor people.
      Try fucking working – it gets results
      
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      April 20, 2017 6:08pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Surely the gummit could do something about the crisis in holiday home pricing? It’s getting so bad that I hear some families are now having to choose between holiday homes at Pauanui and Wanaka, rather than having both.
        
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        April 20, 2017 6:12pm
- Pateke
  
  I keep saying if all those poverty stricken people had only bought a boat and travelled around their North we wouldn’t have any problems at all.
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:12pm
Captain Mainwaring

“Leaders from the Five Eyes intelligence network understood to be meeting in Queenstown”

I have it on good authority that Nicky Hager, Kim Dotcom and Penny Bright will be the keynote speakers.
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April 20, 2017 5:07pm
- tusker
  
  Except that Hager would get his wires crossed about where the meeting occurred and land at the wrong place.
  
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  April 20, 2017 5:39pm
krazykiwi

It’s official: MAMILs live longer. As a cyclist this should be good news, except:

1. I’m no longer a MAMIL. I’m now a VOIMT (Very Old Man In Tights)

2. The study was not conducted in New Zealand, meaning the hunting endeavours of nasska, MT_Tinman et al won’t have been factored in

😀
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April 20, 2017 5:38pm
- nasska
  
  The best open season I can remember: 🙂
  
  https://www.dropbox.com/s/ip9wjb0rml3h9xb/Trophies%201.jpg?dl=0
  
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  April 20, 2017 6:04pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Quite a few other road lice tried, and lived to tell the tale nasska.
    But they have special road rights and pay nothing, right?
    Bludgers
    
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    April 20, 2017 6:41pm
    - stephieboy
      
      The final solution to the Road lice problem ?
      
      Is that alt right canon ?
      
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      April 20, 2017 6:46pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      pay nothing, right?
      
      I thought the same thing the other day, when I saw a couple of kids walking to school on the pavement. Those little bastards hadn’t paid a cent! Then I became even more angry (imagine!) while filling the boat when I realised the fuel tax I was paying was subsidising motorists. Grrrrrr…
      
      😀
      
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      April 20, 2017 7:21pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  old man in tights…(OMIT)
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChOdIRzWMAAfcxU.jpg
  
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  April 20, 2017 8:21pm
cha

A pink pencil fluttering……

Adm. James Stavridis to @MSNBC: The USS Carl Vinson error makes it look to N. Korea as though the U.S. did not have intent or determination. pic.twitter.com/p6atMygcro— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) April 19, 2017

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/854833332869378048
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April 20, 2017 5:58pm
dad4justice

Why is it so expensive to live in New Zealand?
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April 20, 2017 6:11pm
Steve (North Shore)

If I answered that correctly D4J, I would be labelled racist
There are not enough working and paying TAX, and far too many lazy fucks who want/demand a rich prick’s lifestyle.
Fuck them
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April 20, 2017 6:48pm
- starboard
  
  And Notional give it to them because they are inserted in the racist murri party.
  
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  April 20, 2017 6:59pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    correct
    
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    April 20, 2017 7:02pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Fucking maori costing us heaps !!
      
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      April 20, 2017 7:04pm
      - Viking2
        
        Stop fucking them. Keep your pecker in your pocket.
        
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        April 20, 2017 7:20pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Find cheaper dates.
        
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        April 20, 2017 7:44pm
- Viking2
  
  Maori own the water, all wealth needs to be taxed, and if you’re rich, expect your superannuation to be cut.
  
  Those were some of the policies on offer at this afternoon’s public meeting for The Opportunities Party.
  
  Party leader Gareth Morgan spoke for about 45 minutes in the Graham Young Youth Theatre at Tauranga Boys’ College, which was filled to about a third of capacity with curious locals of all ages, genders, and ethnicities.
  – See more at: http://sunlive.co.nz/news/152350-gareth-morgans-tauranga-roadshow.html#sthash.aCnosn1p.qE1o9au2.dpuf
  
  Well the Nats. will be able to hook up with Morgan. Complementary policy.
  
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  April 20, 2017 7:19pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Don’t forget his dope policy
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/91737078/cannabis-reform-the-catalyst-for-youth-vote-turnout-claims-gareth-morgan
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:24pm
  - starboard
    
    Gareth Morgans an idiot, a loon , a fruitloop and a nutbar. ?
    
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    April 20, 2017 9:10pm
Shaun the Sheep

I see the British Lions are to be welcomed onto the Marae at Waitangi this year.
I wonder of the mud chuckers and dildo throwers will be there to make their point?
– Whatever their point is.
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April 20, 2017 6:50pm
Captain Mainwaring

Our wonderful NH90 helicopters have been effectively grounded by an engine failure. No longer allowed to fly over water, mountainous terrain or built-up areas, or carry VIPs.
These things were known to be problematic before we ordered them.
And who ordered them?
Phil Goof, in 2006.
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April 20, 2017 7:20pm
- mikenmild
  
  You think Phil Goff personally selected dud helicopters against official advice?
  
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  April 20, 2017 7:47pm
- Viking2
  
  Don’t be so fucking stupid. The Forces were the people who organized this. Goff signed it off on their recommendation. Like you and most of us he knew stuff all about them.
  The Nats are just as bloody stupid.
  
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  April 20, 2017 7:48pm
  - mikenmild
    
    The history of defence procurement is a sorry one, with numerous disasters over the years under the supervision of governments of all stripes.
    
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    April 20, 2017 7:57pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      ‘The buck stops here’
      There’s also the LAVs.
      For all the use they are they might as well be lavatories.
      
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      April 20, 2017 8:20pm
      - mikenmild
        
        So you truly believe that the National Party, or at least the respective ministers of defence, are also to blame for the fuck-ups on their watch?
        
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        April 20, 2017 8:37pm
Nostradamus

Facebook envisions using brain waves to type words

Facebook’s research unit Building 8 is working to make it possible for people to type using signals from their brains, part of the lab’s broader effort to free people from their phones.

I can see a possible problem.

Person A is horny. Person A sends Person B a message while driving. Person A intends to say “Let’s meet at Westfield St Lukes”. Person A actually says “I can’t stop thinking about what you look like naked!” The message is sent without a pre-send check (Person A is driving after all). Person B receives the unintended message and all hell breaks loose!
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April 20, 2017 7:38pm
- nasska
  
  It doesn’t bear thinking about. Instead of typing “I’m really attracted to your mind” the bloody phone tells her that you really want to give her anal while bent over the fence.
  
  Mark my words……no good will come out of this! 🙂
  
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  April 20, 2017 7:48pm
  - stigie
    
    “Mark my words……no good will come out of this!”
    
    I disagree, front up with a quality lube for starters !~
    
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    April 20, 2017 8:31pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stigie:
      
      You need to consider the possibility of a freudian slip like “See you at Hagley Park” instead of “See you at Henley Park“. You wouldn’t want to receive the wrong message and go to the wrong meeting place old chap!
      
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      April 20, 2017 8:37pm
      - stigie
        
        It probably wont matter too much Nostra, i would imagine there’s studs at both.
        Can we ask Dad..?
        
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        April 20, 2017 8:47pm
krazykiwi

Just how far left is Jeremy Corbyn?

So far, that his family thinks the unfailingly leftist BBC is biased against him!

But not to worry. Apparently the “shy Corbynistas” will come though and see him elected.

Blood. It’s thicker than water.
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April 20, 2017 7:40pm
- chris
  
  Piers Corbyn is comedy gold. And he’ll be like our Labour party after the election making some claim that his brother’s “message didn’t get through”, never that there was anything wrong with the message.
  
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  April 20, 2017 9:03pm
Viking2

The number of people receiving a benefit has continued to fall, with the proportion of the population on a main benefit – 9.6 per cent – the lowest it’s been in a March quarter since 1997.

At the end of the quarter there were 278,236 people on a main benefit, a decrease of 1655 (0.6 per cent) compared to last year.
– See more at: http://newsie.co.nz/news/23428-benefit-numbers-continue-to-fall.html#sthash.W3zPJEza.dpuf
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April 20, 2017 7:50pm
starboard

Bludging scum ( excluding over 65’s)
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April 20, 2017 9:20pm
- mikenmild
  
  It’s your own fault you were idle during your working years and now expect a government handout while rotting away in your council bedsit.
  Bludger.
  
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  April 21, 2017 6:49am
chiz

More details emerge:

A Russian government think tank controlled by Vladimir Putin developed a plan to swing the 2016 U.S. presidential election to Donald Trump and undermine voters’ faith in the American electoral system, three current and four former U.S. officials told Reuters.

They described two confidential documents from the think tank as providing the framework and rationale for what U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded was an intensive effort by Russia to interfere with the Nov. 8 election. U.S. intelligence officials acquired the documents, which were prepared by the Moscow-based Russian Institute for Strategic Studies [en.riss.ru/], after the election.

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April 20, 2017 10:29pm
Tirebiter

Hey Kimbo
“But yes, as per an exchange I had with tirebiter on General Debate concerning Richard Nixon, it is a tedious implication that nearly every nasty Marxist, Maoist or Trotskyite-inspired revolutionary is portrayed as noble nationalist anti-colonialist, e.g., the Greek Civil War, Ho Chi Minh, the Malayan Emergency, the Filipino Huk Rebellion, Castro, Che Guevera…”

Yes, we were discussing Nixon and your ignorance about modern US history until you wimped out. (Here puss, puss…where are you puss?)
But that’s your technique. You dump your load of shit on the side of the road and move on.
For example: ever look up the reference to US military interventions I pointed you to? No? Or the actual facts surrounding the bombing of Cambodia and Laos? I thought not. Haven’t got the time.
As for the ‘tedious implication’ you refer to above – it has nothing to do with anything I posted, as you infer, that connection is only in your head. In which case you are either deranged, or dishonest or both. After reading your recent posts, it’s a close thing, but I think your dishonesty is beginning to pull ahead.
The truth is, you’re not interested in facts, only in wallowing in your ignorance while posing as a critical thinker.
You, wallowing and posing, are the personification of the real Kimbo’s law, not that tiny frisson of pointless ‘fame’ you get from the echolalic drones who play along to satisfy your pathetic need for attention. You poor schmuck.
But no matter, that’s just my load of shit dumped at the side of the road.
Like you, my sister-in-law is a protestant. She was taught by her masters to sing to herself whenever exposed to anything that her god doesn’t want her to hear. Her religion taught her that, but her political beliefs are well served by it too. What’s your technique to keep out reality?
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