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William of Ockham

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A lion is chasing a rabbit. The lion tries to follow the rabbit down a hole but gets stuck. He’s sitting with his ass up in the air and an elephant wanders by and thinks: “Why not?” Has his way with the lion. The lion finally pulls his head from the rabbit hole and chases after the elephant. The elephant runs into an expedition tent, sees a pith helmet and a newspaper. He puts on the pith helmet and holds the paper in front of his face. The lion runs in and says: “Hey, have you seen an elephant around here?” The elephant says: “You mean the one who fucked you in the ass?” The lion says: “What, it’s already made the papers?”

kiwibloggers … the lions of climate science.
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April 11, 2017 8:00am
- All_on_Red
  
  “Oh SHIT!”
  Good old Denis. Still crashing every day on KB
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGfH4IegxO8
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:04am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Watch Toto pull back the curtain on Junk Science
  
  https://realclimatescience.com/2017/04/new-video-hiding-the-warmth-of-the-1940s/
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:11am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Rather amusing you should be posting about Junk Science when your link is authored by Tony Heller ( also going by the name of Steven Goddard )
    
    As you might aware he is heavily into Birtherism. There appears to be a strong correlation between Climate denial and Junk theories like the former President was born in Kenya
    
    Discuss.
    
    https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/news-blog/freeman-dyson-and-the-irresistible-2009-04-30/
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:52am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      Freeman Dyson was right. The models used to predict temperatures decades into the future have a huge margin of error and require many questionable assumptions.
      
      Carbon based gases trap heat. If we emit more of them, and nothing else changes, we should expect higher temperatures. But many other things are changing and that’s why people use models to predict temperature.
      
      Anyone can make a model that works for past data. I can make one that predicts lotto numbers and would have made its user very rich by now if they had it back in 1990. But useful models must work for events that haven’t happened yet.
      
      The models used by the IPCC and others over-estimated the warming in the 2001-2010 period and those models have now been altered. It’s too soon to know if the current ones are any better but we should be very skeptical.
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:15am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Dyson was right about the benefits too. There’s plenty of research proving how extra CO2 has increased crop production and how Greening of the Planet has increased.
        Another own goal by Stephie the idiot.
        
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        April 11, 2017 1:52pm
    - Jack5
      
      While you’re on “junk science”, Stephie X, can you bring us up to date please on Islamic views on the theory of evolution?
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:18am
      - jonar
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_evolution
        
        Islamic views on evolution are diverse, ranging from theistic evolution to creationism.
        
        So pretty much like Christian views on evolution.
        
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        April 11, 2017 10:07am
      - Jack5
        
        Jonar, I can see there is variation of views on Darwinism in the Muslim world, as there is in the Western world.
        
        However, missing in Christian sceptics is the strong recent influence of Saudi Arabia’s Wahhabi Islam , which declares those who believe in evolution to be apostates, with all that implies.
        
        I would be interested to know whether NZ mosques and Islamic schools teach either the theory of evolution, or tolerance towards those who believe in it.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2013/dec/04/creationist-fatwa-wahhabi-islam-usama-hasan
        
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        April 11, 2017 10:27am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      And Sir Isaac Newton was a raving nutter
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton%27s_occult_studies
      
      And William B. Shockley was a shocking racist
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shockley
      
      Scientists are not necessarily nice, good and clever all the time.
      
      How about checking out whether Tony Heller has got his facts right or wrong in that video?
      Why do you think NASA has fiddled the temperatures ?
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:23am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff, accoding to Fact Check. org the answer is clearly NO,
        
        http://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/nothing-false-about-temperature-data/
        
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        April 11, 2017 1:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘False’? Semantics. They’re all definitely altered.
        All the large datasets have numerous biases such as station moves, instrument changes, time of observation changes, urban heat island biases, inconsistency in measuring techniques and other so-called inhomogenities that have occurred over the last 150 years. This means the Datasets get adjusted all the time. Raw data is never used these days.
        It’s common knowledge and often detailed on eaches web site. Our own NIWA even does it.
        You really have no idea- as usual.
        
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        April 11, 2017 1:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        You really have no idea
        
        Data manipulation; closure of climate stations; infilling of data for parts of the world where no climate stations exist….
        it’s been going on for about 30 years, now.
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11367272/Climategate-the-sequel-How-we-are-STILL-being-tricked-with-flawed-data-on-global-warming.html
        
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        April 11, 2017 2:25pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W, no idea ? Speak for yourself ,
        
        http://www.campaigncc.org/climate_change/sceptics/hall_of_shame.
        
        There is no evidence that NASA fiddled temperatures,
        
        Absolute nonsense ,
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2015/feb/11/fiddling-with-global-warming-conspiracies-while-rome-burns
        
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        April 11, 2017 2:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Fiddle’ or ‘change’. Whatever, it’s all ‘man made’ and arbitrary.
        They do it all the time. You are so thick Stephie They even detail how on their websites.
        Here’s NIWAs comment on the seven station series
        ‘For each location, temperature records from a number of local sites have been merged together to form a long time series. When merging different temperature records like this, it is necessary to adjust for climatic differences from place-to-place, or even changes in exposure or instrumentation at the same site. If no adjustments are made, significant biases could be introduced. ‘
        
        Stephie, you are the one talking nonsense.
        
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        April 11, 2017 2:53pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        There is no plenty of evidence that NASA fiddled temperatures.
        
        Extract:
        
        The data has been carefully analysed by a respected data computation expert Professor Dr. Friedrich Karl Ewert and is being made publicly available for independent verification.
        
        Professor Ewert’s findings seem to show NASA has intentionally and systematically rigged the official government record of global temperatures to show recent global warming where none would exist without the upwards ‘revisions.’
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        From the publicly available data, Ewert made an unbelievable discovery: Between the years 2010 and 2012 the data measured since 1881 were altered so that they showed a significant warming, especially after 1950. […] A comparison of the data from 2010 with the data of 2012 shows that NASA-GISS had altered its own datasets so that especially after WWII a clear warming appears – although it never existed.”
        
        Ederer writes that Ewert particularly found alterations at stations in the Arctic. Professor Ewert randomly selected 120 stations from all over the world and compared the 2010 archived data to the 2012 data and found that they had been tampered to produce warming.
        
        Data being manipulated to fit the alarmist narrative.
        
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        April 11, 2017 3:04pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  How did the lion know that the perpetrator was an elephant since his head was in a rabbit hole?
  Not his first elephant?
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:13am
  - Jack5
    
    It was the tusks.
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:03am
    - Kimbo
      
      Plus as the African elephant has longer tusks than the Indian elephant, he may have been able to distinguish and differntiate
      
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      April 11, 2017 11:06am
sooty

What ever happens now brand little is rooted!
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April 11, 2017 8:04am
- cmm
  
  In his mind he’s a winner. A hairy chested champion that can’t put a foot wrong. Got some teflon of JK in a garage sale.
  
  I think our new Andy is going to come out more emboldened than ever before.
  
  It’s a bit like one day cricket. He’s got to hit a lot of sixes to make it, so he may as well swing the bat a bit.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:10am
- G152
  
  How come he defamed the Mr but not the Mrs and why aren’t the fat snowdrops protesting the sexism of it all?
  Hopefully there will be ramifications
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:11am
  - fernglas
    
    It’s a draw, no matter how they want to spin it. Both sides would be best to keep their moths shut and it will all be forgotten in a week. To those who would say that the finding that he defamed Earl Hagaman is somehow vindication for the anti-Andrew brigade, it leaves open the question of whether he was entitled to do so. It’s like holding against someone that they struck another, without any decision on whether they were defending themselves.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:36am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      The jury made the best decision possible for National. Labour is stuck with him as leader now, but his credibility has taken a massive hit, as will his bank balance when his lawyer sends the bill for the High Court trial.
      
      And if Earl Hagaman passes away without a further attempt by Little to apologise directly, rather than through the media, it’s going to look as though he hounded an elderly man to the grave.
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:11am
      - mikenmild
        
        What an enchanting attempt to spin the result…
        
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        April 11, 2017 10:17am
    - alex Masterley
      
      Its a very messy draw.
      
      No-one has come out of it with any credit.
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:16am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I disagree..
        I think Lani Hagaman has come out as a principled business woman.
        She either rolled over and accepted the slur on her husband’s name when Little failed to apologise after the AG investigation, or she took the only course left open to her and stood up for her husband and company.
        
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        April 11, 2017 9:30am
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Credit as in money? I would be interested in knowing whether the Hagamans regret taking the case.
        If it was me I wouldn’t be regretting it.
        
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        April 11, 2017 5:19pm
- doggone7
  
  In a usual situation it would mean a lot of people on here getting a new hobby. They won’t.
  
  If he is/was such a loser they would give him the attention they probably think he deserves – ignore him.
  
  They won’t, they can’t. He might be rooted but he has them by the balls.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:36am
Captain Mainwaring

So the entitled SBW thinks he can cover up the BNZ logos on his shirt because he doesn’t believe in charging interest.
So I guess that next time he plays at Westpac stadium he will demand that the signage be removed from the building.
What a prick.
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April 11, 2017 8:06am
- sooty
  
  Could be a roaring trade in bacon butties at the stadium.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:09am
  - Richard
    
    Perhaps Heller’s Meats could replace the BNZ on SBW shirt. Their Bacon, ham and pork sausages are not bad.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:55am
- G152
  
  Can’t wear their signage don’t take their money
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:12am
  - kowtow
    
    Don’t like our signage , don’t come to our countries.
    
    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/04/10/australian-beaten-cross-beaten-muslim-gang-shouting/
    
    Another very good reason to retain our flag.With the crosses of Sts George,Andrew and Patrick. A reminder of our ancient history, culture and tradition. Or would we rather cover that up too?
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:17am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    He has a contract which allows him to object to this and other issues. Presumably his remuneration takes that into account.
    
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    April 11, 2017 10:06am
- Longknives
  
  A table of friends and I were discussing this over a quiet beer last night-
  Some like Rugby, some hate it- But Unanimously we all thought Sonny Bill is a complete hypocritical dickhead here..(For a variety of reasons)
  It was also pointed out that his star is waning- And old Sonny has always been fond of Publicity Stunts to keep his name in headlines..*Which may explain why his ‘outrage’ at wearing Sponsor’s logos is a relatively new thing (he has been wearing Bank and Booze logos for years)
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:42am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Longknives , and Michael Jones who refused to play on Sundays is not ?
    
    Another publicity stunt ?
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:55am
    - GazzaW
      
      Michael Jones had no commitment to major commercial sponsors and every organisation involved with rugby knew that Jones would not play on Sunday. Neither did the Going family and neither is rugby played on Sundays in the Pacific islands.
      
      Stick to your half-pied commenting on politics stephie because you know diddly-squat about rugby and its traditions.
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:17am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      There’s a big difference between Jones (and the Going brothers, and cricketers Vic Pollard, Bryan Yuile and Bruce Murray before him). They made their objection to playing on Sundays known BEFORE they were selected, and were happy to be overlooked had their objections been seen as an insurmountable problem.
      
      That was indeed the case with Jones in 1995 for the Rugby World Cup. The All Blacks were likely to play at least two and possibly three games on Sundays, and Laurie Mains chose NOT to pick Jones because it would leave the team one loose forward short for those games. Jones did not protest the decision; he held firm to his principles, and all power to him.
      
      Williams has been happy to wear an AIG logo on his All Black jersey, and Steinlager before that, even though he converted to Islam long before first being selected for the All Blacks. His objections now look as though he is holding the sport to ransom.
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:19am
      - Kimbo
        
        His objections now look as though he is holding the sport to ransom.
        
        You mean negotiating and then acting as per the agreed terms and conditions in his contract, and as per the dictates of his conscience? Sorry, has someone infused the personalities of Kiwiblog regulars with the anti-capitalism agenda of the Standard?
        
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        April 11, 2017 9:30am
  - Kimbo
    
    That overlooks that one’s religious ethics can grow, develop and change over time. I converted to Christianity, but over the years some of my attitudes and actions have changed. SBW, as a relatively recent convert to Islam, and a young man still maturing and also growing in his faith has that right without his integrity being called into question. Churlish to consider it as one of the reasons that makes him in your opinions a “complete hypocritical dickhead”. Reflects more on you and your mates, IMHO.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:12am
  - alex Masterley
    
    SBW’s approach is unlike that of Vic Pollard who played soccer for NZ as well as cricket. He didn’t play on Sundays, story end of. People accepted it and got on with it. He accepted it limited his opportunities.
    If he was so concerned about his faith and it’s conflict with banking practice he should have taken his stance from the start of his career.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:21am
    - Kimbo
      
      Even if SBW was so young in his faith he didn’t realise or consider it an issue at the time? Pollard, from memory, grew up in a sabbath-observing household and it was a well-established part of his religious ethics by the time he was playing representative sport – which just started to be scheduled on a Sunday during the latter part of his career. So you are comparing apples and…(going for an Arabic menu here!) dates, figs and olives.
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:26am
      - 4077th
        
        Figs and Olives..Traditionally Greek..Just Saying 🙂
        
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        April 11, 2017 3:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No, also Middle Eastern albeit still Mediterranean, e.g., Jesus cursing the fig tree and then going up the Mount of Olives to give the Olivet Discourse during the same Passion Week. Nonetheless, I like the cut of your pedantic and knowledgeable jib, 4077th. Do you do Pub Quiz nights, and are you interested in joining the Kiwiblog team I’m recruiting? Don’t sign any other offers until we’ve had a chance to talk…
        
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        April 11, 2017 6:51pm
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Some journalist should do an investigation into Islamic banking. As far as I can tell it appears to be smoke and mirrors.
    
    They don’t believe in interest, so instead of taking out a mortgage and paying interest, they have an alternative sort of hire purchase system where the bank buys the house through a trust and you gradually buy it back and also pay rent to the bank.
    
    For commercial loans, the bank becomes a ‘business partner’ and gets a ‘share of profits’. That share just coincidentally happens to be a fixed proportion of the money advanced by the bank.
    
    Both are financially (and morally) equivalent to a loan with interest, just with different terminology. And most Muslims in the West don’t bother because it is too hard and there’s no point.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:28am
    - SGA
      
      As Kimbo and others noted yesterday(?), religions in general are great at developing “work arounds”. Nothing unusual or new there.
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:50am
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. It is their religion, and when it comes to something which has no or minimal effect on others, or, in the case of SBW, where he negotiates an out-clause with his employer where all parties including the sponsor are satisfied, the objections or even opinions of others are not something that any Muslim is obligated to consider. Considering and discussing the various aspects of sharia is fair enough, but it is damned rude for non-adherents to tell people what form their religion should take. Sure, dispute the foundations of Islam and where it intersects with your life, but questioning the integrity of someone you don’t know, and insisting they should do something in spite of their conscience? Sounds like fascist tendencies to me. Freedom of religion, anyone?
        
        And I gotta say, like the prior expectations, and then the response to the Andrew Little defamation decision, I’m a bit disappointed in the Kiwiblog community. I thought there was more capacity for objectivity and sober judgement. But those got jettisoned right from the beginning because the issues are Islam and/or SBW…
        
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        April 11, 2017 10:06am
  - RF
    
    I have a horrible thought… Angry head hunting SBW to stand for a Labour seat. The stupid prick would be desperate enough to this as he has just parachuted 2 others in ahead of other long termers. The x cop and radio announcer.
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:20pm
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  Is MoneyBill Williams radicalising?
  Bag and body cavity searches required before entering any stadium?
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:13am
  - Longknives
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11787900
    
    Scroll down (past the ‘Homosexuals are Animals’ comments) for Sonny Bill posing and giving the ISIS hand-sign.
    Why this Clown gets such a free-ride from the NZ Media is beyond me..
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:42am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So now they’ve given the chosen one his own special BNZ-free jersey.
  Fuck me gently.
  What sort of a message does this send to other potential sponsors?
  
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  April 11, 2017 5:42pm
  - mikenmild
    
    To consider whether players will be happy to promote their products?
    
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    April 11, 2017 5:48pm
  - GazzaW
    
    It’s time to give this primadonna the flick from NZ rugby if only to ‘encourager les autres’. This sort of behaviour is more suited to Pommy soccer and it’s not as if the ABs have struggled without him since he last pulled on a jersey in 2015.
    
    No player is bigger than the game.
    
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    April 11, 2017 6:01pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Hear hear
      
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      April 11, 2017 7:32pm
Inandout

The madness that is California. I just hope that Trump was not given as the reason for this adult murder-suicide that also seriously injured two students.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/local/multiple-gunshot-victims-reported-at-california-school-fire-officials-say/511170666
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April 11, 2017 8:06am
- stephieboy
  
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  I understand Trump is in favour of guns being allowed to be carried on campuses and school grounds .
  
  Coukl that help ?
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:59am
  - Jack5
    
    Stephie X – good point. Only Muslims should be allowed to take guns to school.
    
    If they haven’t got a gun they can take an electric clock and dazzle the teacher with that.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:02am
- LisaGinNZ
  
  Unfortunately you cannot legislate madness or anger out of people. The murderer was intent on killing someone and then kill themselves. If it is not a gun, something else would have been used. Knives, trucks, pressure cookers… can’t outlaw everything, can you…
  
  What can stop a bad guy with a gun?
  Only a good guy with a gun.
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:39am
sooty

Maybe Lani Hagaman should have staged a meeting with Andrew Little with photograher all rounnd and clobbered him with a brick inside her handbag. Sat him on his arse!
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April 11, 2017 8:07am
oldpark

Ha !Ha! said the clown,better known as Angry Andy Little, or Mr 7% to his associates.beat the legal system and got a “Claytons Victory” over a Ninety One year old NZ hero and patriot.Mr 7% had earlier confessed and apologised for bad mouthing the very ill and not long to live gentleman,Mr Hagaman.
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April 11, 2017 8:07am
- ztev
  
  Ask the US IRS about a patriot who left the country owing $13mil in taxes.
  
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  April 11, 2017 3:52pm
Manolo

As a poet, William was poor,
he is now changed into an AGW monger.
In reality, we know he is a true boor,
and sane he is no longer.
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April 11, 2017 8:09am
Paulus

I was surprised to hear that Little was pleased it was all over.
The result was actually no surprise as the Judge’s summary (Judge called Helen Clark ) is to say the least not balanced, but that is for the Court of Appeal to review. From then on it was all over before Monday. The hours the jury took was the indication that for a poor little man to defame rich pricks it was all over (should be called David v Goliath).
How a jury (but if course a Wellington one) could find some cases of no defamations was illusory as Little admitted same before the trial in his derisory offer of $100,000.
We know that Wellington is the SJW (Social Justice Warriors) capital of the country.
If Little thinks it is all over he must adjust his contact lenses.
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April 11, 2017 8:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The Judge concerned is Justice Karen Clark QC.
  
  I think a newspaper forgot to hire a proofreader.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:57am
  - Paulus
    
    Sorry, I read it as Helen Clark.
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:15am
Rachael Membery

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/91391264/Woman-urges-parents-to-think-twice-about-unique-baby-names
At least there are others with the same name and spelling,
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April 11, 2017 8:11am
- mikenmild
  
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  What about the cruel parents that misspell their babies’ names – Rachael, for example?
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:19am
  - chris
    
    That’s pretty low, and in any case the Rachael spelling has been around for a long time – it’s not a misspelling.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:52am
  - Jack5
    
    Mikenmild is a typo for Milkenmild isn’t it?
    
    Milky fits!
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:56am
    - Liberty
      
      I have always understood it was an abbreviation for
      “village idiot”
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:38am
    - Fletch
      
      I thought it was meant to be “meek and mild” 🙂
      
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      April 11, 2017 10:08am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Come on mikenmild; you’re generally better than that. That was the kind of comment I’d expect from ztev or dad4justice.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:22am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Shithead snark #28,348
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:29am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Ever considered the spelling of Michael….
    wonder why it’s not Michel?
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:36am
    - mikenmild
      
      And I always thought Maggy should be Maggie.
      
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      April 11, 2017 10:22am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Indeed, but since the hubbie doesn’t spell proper, I went with the spelling he carved onto the $3.30 wedding ring he made for me.
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:38am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      I usually say Rachael spelled like Michael, but even that is no use if they can’t spell Michael.
      Funny thing is that I have a daughter in law, same name, same spelling.
      The ex husband gets to hear it heaps.
      Times like that, I think there is a God lol. 😉
      
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      April 11, 2017 4:17pm
- Andrei
  
  In France there is a book of names that a new parent has to choose from
  
  A few years ago a rugby fan wanted to name his son Zinzan but couldn’t because it wasn’t in the book – so he took it to court and the court decided after teh New Zealand Ambassador testified it could go in the book and the boy could be called Zinzan
  
  Strange but true
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:42am
  - Jack5
    
    I wonder if “Sonnybill” is in France’s approved-names book.
    
    If Marine le Pen takes power, “Sonnybill” being Muslim, it might be deleted.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:59am
  - GazzaW
    
    Zinzan is an old English name with origins in Devon and London. The first person named Zinzan in NZ was recorded back in the 1850s.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:25am
Happychappy

Another day and more drivel and jokes to come from a irresponsible and ignorant Andrew Little about what he would have most likely had to do if he had lost. For a Man that has just been put through three wringer he hasn’t learnt anything about how a political Leader of a main party should respond.
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April 11, 2017 8:15am
- GazzaW
  
  Many a true word spoken in jest by Andy – he would make a better busker than an MP.
  
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  April 11, 2017 12:50pm
  - sooty
    
    He would go hungry!
    
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    April 11, 2017 5:18pm
Don the Kiwi

Is this a turning point in Islam?

“Free to leave Islam without facing death: this is the turning point of Morocco’s ulama, the religious scholars. Apostasy, in Arabic ridda, has always been a critical issue and a much debated one in the Muslim world. Indeed, Islamic law considers it a crime punishable by death.

The two most well-known cases in the West are that of Salmān Rushdie, author of the novel, The Satanic Verses, which in 1989 earned him the fatwa with which ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini asked to sentence him to death; and the case of Nasr Hāmid Abū Zayd, Egyptian intellectual convicted in 1995 for having proposed an historical and rationalistic interpretation of the Qur’an. He then fled to Holland.

Cyclically, intellectuals, ulama, Muslim jurists and politicians go back to the question of whether the apostate deserves an earthly punishment or the punishment is the sole prerogative of God in the hereafter. While in many moments of history the first interpretation had prevailed, today other interpretations exist that question the traditionally imposed penalty for the apostate (murtadd), but also the very meaning of the term.

– See more at: https://www.mercatornet.com/features/view/in-morocco-the-apostate-no-longer-faces-death/19630#sthash.oEflMJgT.dpuf
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April 11, 2017 8:16am
- mikenmild
  
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  Seeing it took the Christians 1700 years or so to stop putting ‘heretics’ to death, Muslims abandoning that now would be relatively quick progress.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:21am
  - Nukuleka
    
    But the fact is that Christians did abandon punishments for heresy and do celebrate the fact of the Reformation. The Islamists have had 1500 years to start the process, have the example of Christianity to look up to, and appear to be determined to regress rather than move forward into an Enlightened Age.
    
    Deal with life as it is lived in 2017 .
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:30am
    - SGA
      
      Nukuleka
      
      Deal with life as it is lived in 2017.
      
      Bloody progressive!
      
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      April 11, 2017 8:33am
    - nasska
      
      …..”have the example of Christianity to look up to,”…..
      
      Just when I thought that the Muzzies might have a shot at progress.
      
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      April 11, 2017 8:34am
    - stephieboy
      
      Nothing to do with the Reformation and subsequent bllody wars of religion.
      
      More to do with the weakening of the churches and their credibilty that ushered in the age of enlightenment and the rise of secularism .
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:04am
      - Aliog
        
        What’s Bill Oddy got to do with it?
        
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        April 11, 2017 10:13am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        What’s Bill Oddie got to do with it?
        
        A fight between The Goodies and the Baddies, maybe?
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HknzZr0uiOs
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:05pm
    - ztev
      
      Last heretic executed in a christian country
      Cayetano Ripoll in Spain 1826
      
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      April 11, 2017 3:58pm
  - fernglas
    
    MM at 8:21
    
    That’s a bit like saying the Destiny Church is entitled to have 1700 years grace to stop blaming earthquakes on homosexuality.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:39am
    - SGA
      
      Destiny Church isn’t Christian?
      
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      April 11, 2017 8:43am
      - Kimbo
        
        Let’s be kind and call ’em “heterodox sectarians”, but not at the heretic cult stage…yet 😉
        
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        April 11, 2017 10:18am
      - ztev
        
        Yes they are.
        Destiny is definitely a christian church . They are a fundamentalist Pentecostal church
        Denominations in NZ that arent Christian are Jewish, bahai, Mormons, Christian Scientists, Scientology etc.
        
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        April 11, 2017 4:04pm
  - Longknives
    
    “Seeing it took the Christians 1700 years or so to stop putting ‘heretics’ to death, Muslims abandoning that now would be relatively quick progress.”
    
    Words fail me at the sheer Idiocy of that comment.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:47am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      It was made by mikenmild. Nothing (s)he says here should be a surprise 😎
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:54am
  - cmm
    
    I see it doesn’t take them even a year to suck on the welfare tit when they get to Europe.
    
    Nor does it take them long to learn how to drive a truck fast enough to run people down, or do basic soldering required to make a suicide vest.
    
    So to say they need another 200 years to “evolve” is pure bullshit.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:22am
  - mikenmild
    
    Gee, tough crowd. Just pointing out that it takes the religiously deluded a long time to moderate their crazy beliefs.
    
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    April 11, 2017 10:34am
SGA

Over the weekend, I saw that the RSA are selling metal lapel badges for ANZAC day – a poppy set atop a silver fern. I am awaiting the howls of outrage from some on Kiwiblog that the RSA are using a symbol so easily mistaken for a white feather of cowardice in this way. And, “yes’, I thought they looked good, so I bought one.
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April 11, 2017 8:24am
- VicParking
  
  Howls of range.
  Poppies are used to made to make heroin.
  Silver fern looks like a white feather.
  Gobol warming is real
  SBW is a god
  Dont get hung up over Easter
  Happy
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:47am
  - SGA
    
    Heavens, you start early in the morning, or are you still recovering from last night?
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:48am
    - VicParking
      
      Still at the party.
      Will be late for work, dont want to drive drunk and stoned.
      YOU.
      Are you back from church yet.
      
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      April 11, 2017 8:55am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Had to laugh at the Gobol warming.
    
    I was surprised to learn that not only were there poppies at Flanders but also at Gallipoli, I guess that is down to the poem.
    http://www.greatwar.co.uk/poems/john-mccrae-in-flanders-fields.htm
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:25pm
- Jack5
  
  SGA – still unhappy about voters rejecting the flag change? I thought the RSA supported the present flag.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:52am
  - SGA
    
    Lost no sleep over that, Jack5. Most of my comments during the flag debate were a reaction to the denigration of the Silver Fern as a national symbol (given it’s long association with our fallen).
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:56am
    - Jack5
      
      SGA, what do you think of the idea of spending $6 million bringing to NZ the remains of NZ soldiers killed in South-east Asian campaigns?
      
      I posted on this yesterday, and think the money would be better spent on the surviving veterans.
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:05am
      - SGA
        
        Haven’t been following that – my initial reaction is that it hasn’t been a tradition to do so (unlike, say the US).
        
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        April 11, 2017 9:29am
      - Jack5
        
        SGA: you have to wonder whether the return of bodies from South-east Asia will bea prelude to a push to bring home thousands of bodies from World War 2 and World War 1.
        
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        April 11, 2017 9:41am
      - mikenmild
        
        Not a binary choice is it? If you have a proposal for spending $6 million on veterans, I am sure your local MP would be delighted to hear you explain it at length.
        
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        April 11, 2017 10:26am
      - Jack5
        
        “Binary choice” joins “straw man” in Milky’s locker of pseudo-logic ~~repartee~~ heckles.
        
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        April 11, 2017 2:28pm
VicParking

“An Israeli soldier has been killed and another Israeli hurt in a Palestinian car-ramming attack in the occupied West Bank.”
I notice that the MSM are all over this NOT.
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April 11, 2017 8:38am
- krazykiwi
  
  Yes the use of cars to ram and/or run over people has been a part of Israeli life for quite a while now. Get’s the page-6 treatment, if reported at all.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:42am
  - VicParking
    
    Page 6
    I see the advert for incontenant pants has been replace by one from the BNZ.
    Crisis at the cat show, dog win best at show.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:50am
- stephieboy
  
  Vicparking , where were you looking during the last 4 days ?
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39513189
  
  Better things to whinge about than the MSM balme game ?
  
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  April 11, 2017 9:07am
  - calendar girl
    
    What is an “MSM balme game”? Do you rub it on your skin in the presence of reporters?
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:32am
NK

I live in Birkenhead, on Auckland’ North Shore. This morning, Newshub (The Am Show) were doing their 9 in 10 game in Highbury shops. Perfect opportunity to win a 9 day cruise I thought. I listen every morning to the show. I don’t usually get 9 playing in the car by myself, but hey, turn up and try I thought. It’s only around the corner.

Alas I had to go to work and didn’t make it. The question: Name 9 electorates! I got 9 in about 5 seconds.

The cruise ship just sailed by with the lost opportunity.
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April 11, 2017 8:46am
RF

In the event Angry becomes PM he will need a complete makeover. Listening to him talking to Mike Hosking this morning was painful and he is unable to speak clearly. Is it a labour leaders requirement to talk quickly and mumble.

I see the trial judge asked Angry to speak up as she had difficulty understanding him.

Hearing Angry on the world stage is something I do not want to hear.
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April 11, 2017 8:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Hearing Angry on the world stage is something I do not want to hear.”
  
  Don’t worry RF, it won’t happen.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:56am
  - 4077th
    
    Angry is merely warming the glass slipper for Jacindarella.
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:27am
  - sam green
    
    John Key on the world stage.?
    
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ihReeJg08ns
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:02am
- cmm
  
  It’s from years of being a unionist weasel.
  
  If you mutter then you can always claim you were mis-heard.
  
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  April 11, 2017 9:17am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Unionists don’t mutter; they shout 😎
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:36am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Reminds me of Wred Wussell’s boisterous “GIVE ME BACK MY FLAG~!”
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:45am
      - Longknives
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cILQWybsTZg
        
        Pure Comedy Gold!
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:44am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        “Boisterous” is being very generous KK. I would have described it as a high-pitched squeal, with an Australian twang.
        
        However it is described however, it was probably Ruusel Norman’s second least edifying moment as an MP. The least edifying was this one:
        
        https://youtu.be/cFnQ2DxUPA8
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:27pm
      - RF
        
        Wussell has just been arrested. Causing a ship to divert from its intended course. Should have run the stupid prick over……
        
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        April 11, 2017 4:43pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        I can’t find the picture but there was one of Russell in the water clutching a buoy recently on this foray. Not in the water longer than for the photo I imagine.
        http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/328566/greenpeace-protesters-swim-in-front-of-oil-exploration-ship
        Found it
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/04/greenpeace-nz-head-russel-norman-to-face-court-over-oil-protest.html
        
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        April 11, 2017 5:31pm
    - Happychappy
      
      But he wasn’t a good Unionist and lost the largest number of members under his watch in the history of the Union, so good at something is not a word for Andrew Little. ?
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:46am
      - cmm
        
        So his 7% skill isn’t just limited to politics!
        
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        April 11, 2017 10:34am
- Inandout
  
  He mumbles so he can’t quite be understand clearly, so very hard to quote him accurately. The old communist Bill Andersen had a similar demeanour, something no doubt he had learnt in Soviet Russia. Speak softly, but create as much mayhem as possible behind the scenes. As for Little, he is damaged goods and won’t last the distance. Watch for a leadership bloodbath.
  
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  April 11, 2017 9:28am
  - ztev
    
    Mumbling and talking a word salad didnt do John Key any harm
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:08pm
- LisaGinNZ
  
  I heard somewhere Little is their ‘leader’ because he has union(?) support….. so they can’t oust him…?
  
  Oh well, it is probably a good thing as there is little chance Labour will run NZ … (see what I did there)
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:45am
  - sam green
    
    “I heard somewhere …..”
    
    And now I will present it as fact.
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:08am
kowtow

HMNZS Brotown.
“The ship’s name is a deliberate nod to the famous battle cruiser HMS New Zealand, which took part in three maritime battles in the First World War.”

No it isn’t , it’s a deliberate nod to the ongoing , unwelcome , top down ,broification of New Zealand.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/CU1704/S00156/aotearoa-the-name-chosen-for-navys-largest-ship.htm
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April 11, 2017 9:25am
- Jack5
  
  Let’s hope the name isn’t a jinx, Kowtow.
  
  If anything bad were happen to the new Aotearoa, that might jinx the national name change plans of the Lefties, given the superstition of many Maori.
  
  Were there many or even any New Zealanders in the crew of the World War 1 battle cruiser HMS New Zealand? Maori sent the captain a feathered cloak, which he reportedly wore in action. That would have deflected 28cm shells from the Kaiserliche Marine.
  
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  April 11, 2017 9:35am
  - mikenmild
    
    I think it was a piupiu, and the crew were very keen on him wearing it.
    
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    April 11, 2017 10:29am
- mikenmild
  
  Time to rename HMNZ Ships Te Kaha and Te Mana, then?
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:29am
  - Brigitte
    
    What to? Shippy McShipFace & Cruiser McCruiseFace perhaps?
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:07am
    - mikenmild
      
      HMNZS John Key?
      Although, it’s a big ship, so how about HMNZS Gerry Brownlee?
      
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      April 11, 2017 11:12am
      - Brigitte
        
        Yes, as the Key ship would be teflon coated. Perhaps the other would be better as the HMNZS Little for it’s ability to dodge bullets.
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:17am
      - mikenmild
        
        Or HMNZS Murray McCully, which could also serve as a sheep carrier.
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:19am
      - Kimbo
        
        …HMNZS Murray McCully…
        
        Or be deployed peace-keeping in the Middle East. Although if that occurred she would likely suffer the same fate as the USS Liberty!
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:25am
- Longknives
  
  Wasn’t ‘Aotearoa’ also the name of Grant Dalton’s last America’s Cup failure?
  
  Christ they are thrashing this Name-Change thing aren’t they?
  
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  April 11, 2017 11:47am
  - ztev
    
    At least we didnt have a referendum over it.
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:10pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      +1
      I agree!
      
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      April 11, 2017 4:12pm
Jack5

Slave markets have emerged in Libya, trading in Africans trying to get to Europe.

Obama made one hooer of a mess by organising the downfall of Gaddafi. It was America’s third change-of-regime stuff-up in 10 years, says the Atlantic magazine.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/10/libya-public-slave-auctions-un-migration

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/04/obamas-worst-mistake-libya/478461/
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April 11, 2017 9:30am
- MCos
  
  The last sentence in the Atlanta article is very pertinent with regard to Syria & North Korea.
  “There is no point in toppling a tyrant if the result is anarchy.”
  A few days ago Trump announced America had no interest in deposing Assad. Suddenly that’s changed.
  It’s hard to believe he formulated a plan for the country in the interim, but you can guarantee Russia & Iran have.
  Similarly with Nth Korea. If the regime there is blown away, what comes next? One hates to think.
  
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  April 11, 2017 1:52pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Trump has said ‘eventually’ Assad has to go, but that a succession plan has to be worked out first.
    I think he’s well aware of the Obama/Clinton debacle in Libya.
    
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    April 11, 2017 1:57pm
    - MCos
      
      The US ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, said in an interview on CNN’s “State of the Union” that regime change in Syria as one of the Trump administration’s top priorities in Syria. Her statement was a complete U-turn from what she said just over a week ago, when she told a group of reporters that the US was “no longer focused on getting Assad out.”
      http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-04-09/us-ambassador-un-regime-change-syria-now-top-priority-trump
      
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      April 11, 2017 2:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh, it’s now Haley saying that, not Trump as you claimed. Tillerson and McMasters have views too.
        Anyway, as I said, not today. After a succession plan. Trump has also said tax reform was a ‘Top priority’ but of course that will take months
        You lefties are so thick the way you take things so literally.
        
        Here’s McMasters yesterday
        ‘National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster said the Trump administration has two goals in Syria: defeating the Islamic State group and removing Mr. Assad from power. However, he added that Mr. Trump is seeking a global response that would include U.S. allies as well as Russia and Iran.’
        See? Seeking a global response first.
        http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/9/hr-mcmaster-bashar-assads-removal-now-part-of-dona/
        
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        April 11, 2017 2:59pm
      - MCos
        
        So what you’re saying is the left hand doesn’t know what the right foot’s doing.
        Do these people attempt to coordinate their policies, one wonders.
        
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        April 11, 2017 3:35pm
      - ztev
        
        His meeting with the Chinese President gave him nothing, or zero as Trump said.
        So much for an import tax, or designating them a currency manipulator and all Trumps big promises about China.
        
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        April 11, 2017 4:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No, I’m saying you are jumping to the wrong conclusion
        
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        April 11, 2017 4:22pm
      - MCos
        
        “White House national security adviser H.R. McMaster says that while the U.S. would push for regime change in Syria, “We’re not the ones who are going to effect that change.” ”
        
        “The Trump administration has also signalled it could play a role in forcing regime change in the country, with Press Secretary Sean Spicer telling reporters that the US government “can’t imagine a stable and peaceful Syria with Assad in charge”.”
        
        So that’s three versions thus far . . .
        What’s it gonna be, All_on_Red, mate?
        
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        April 11, 2017 5:28pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Barbarism of Islamic peoples along Mediterranean coast (indulging in their Millennia old slave industry) will at least slow the flow of economic migrants to Europe, but problem will persist until Europe learns to say no.
  
  Failing states do result in a degree of population control (population explosion bought by modern medicine, farming and trade meeting medieval cultures underlies most of these wars), though birth control would be far more humane.
  
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  April 11, 2017 3:23pm
Scott

Today’s news include the Ngati Tuwharetoa have agreed to accept the crowns offer of $25 million, an apology, an official version of history and the right to buy land around Lake Taupo including Craters of the Moon.

Does anyone besides me shudder at this shameless groveling before Maori interests and this determination by white liberals to feel ashamed of their past and endlessly apologise for it?

The only silver lining in this cringe worthy groveling by a National government is that this is supposedly the end of the historic treaty settlements. If only that were true!???
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April 11, 2017 9:33am
- krazykiwi
  
  this is supposedly the end of the historic treaty settlements
  
  The generation’s greed and next generation’s memory loss, catalyzed with liberal white guilt means the process will go on indefinitely.
  
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  April 11, 2017 9:42am
- Jigsaw
  
  My National MP has told me several times that all will be well when the historic TOW claims are all settled. When I ask him what evidence he has for such a claim-he changes the subject..
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:39am
- Fletch
  
  History is replete with examples of lands being fought over, lost and won, ownership changing etc. If every country were to pay ‘reparations’ to those they took land from it would be a complete neverending mess. Maori need to get over it and get on with it and the govt needs to stop handing them out cash.
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:51am
  - sam green
    
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_reparations_for_World_War_II
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:11am
  - Kimbo
    
    But that is not a fair comparison. From 6 February 1840 Maori were not another country. They were subjects of the Crown, with all the privileges. Sure, double-dipping on claims is nonsense, but state-sanctioned theft by the government should be addressed, at least in a Westminster Parliamentary democracy. We aren’t a banana republic.
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:29am
    - sam green
      
      No – it’s not and yes you’re right.
      
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      April 11, 2017 11:40am
    - kowtow
      
      No we’re not a banana republic, we’re a kumara monarchy.
      
      “The $170 million settlement in 1997 was the tribe’s fifth.”
      
      https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
      
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      April 11, 2017 12:28pm
- Kimbo
  
  So the 8th commandment, nor redressing past wrongs when and where you can don’t figure in your (Christian) ethics, Scott?
  
  Also, do you know the details of the Ngati Tuwharetoa claim, including that the Crown has (to quote you) “endlessly” given compensation and/or redress in the past…or is commandment number nine also an optional extra?
  
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  April 11, 2017 11:31am
  - fernglas
    
    And let’s not forget that Tongariro National Park was a gift from Ngati Tuwharetoa, so one shouldn’t be too quick to criticise.
    
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    April 11, 2017 12:24pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Interesting one that. I mentioned it once to someone connected with doing claims research for the iwi and was assured that the Crown had issued an ultimatum that it be gifted or else it would be confiscated
      
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      April 11, 2017 1:47pm
      - ztev
        
        Really ?
        “Different tribes were disputing ownership of the peaks of Ruapehu, Ngāuruhoe and Tongariro, and there was a danger that they would be divided and sold. Horonuku’s gift ensured that Tūwharetoa’s ancestral mountains would remain untouched, even if the tribe no longer directly controlled them. The government bought more Māori land to supplement the gift”
        
        More modern interpretations of the word gift
        ” This description the Tribunal found to be inaccurate: the tuku was not, as the Native Minister believed, an English-style gift of the mountains to the Crown but, rather, an offer of partnership.
        http://www.tuwharetoa.iwi.nz/kaupapa-o-te-iwi/khui-maunga/
        Tuwharetoa dont seem to consider they were forced into the agreement.
        
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        April 11, 2017 4:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I can’t comment, as my only intention was to pass on what I had heard, which, as I said was interesting considering the source.
        
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        April 11, 2017 6:53pm
  - Scott
    
    No I am very skeptical of the view that terrible things were done in the 19th century to the Peace loving Maori. There are a lot of lies and revisionism about the so called wrongs of the past. The only good thing about the Waitangi tribunal and this settlement is that it may signal the end of massive transfer payments from the citizens of NZ to Maori interests.
    However the guilt of white liberals could be inexhaustible and will only be appeased when Maori run the show.
    
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    April 11, 2017 1:08pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I agree there is an element of truth in what you say in your hyperbole. Personally I doubt that settlement of claims will make much material difference for the majority of Maori. Indeed, based on what I have observed over the past 25 years, they seem to be a lightening rod for grievance that inhibits some Maori, rather than benefiting them. I’m not so much talking about knowledge of specific cliams and what was done by whom and when, but more just in the same way that if the English hadn’t turned up in Ireland, the Ngati Irish would have invented them as a source of displeasure and a justification for failure.
      
      However you seem to be implying there is no validity to any historic claim. I don’t think that matches the facts and you are throwing out the baby with the bath water. If a wrong is done, and it is within the power of the offending party to redress it, then they should. Especially when it is the Crown.
      
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      April 11, 2017 1:24pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Contra proferentum.
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:09pm
      - Rachael Membery
        
        Contra proferentem
        Damn edit lol
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:12pm
Chuck Bird

This is the kind of case MacLennan should be interested in. The police should not be dropping or changing charges without consultation with the complainant. I wonder how much pro bono work MacLennan does.

Attacker jailed in landmark private prosecution

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/04/attacker-jailed-in-landmark-private-prosecution.html
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April 11, 2017 9:36am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Ridiculous, the assault charge far easier to prove than rape. good for her. I hope that she can move on now and that the sentence is not concurrent to what he is currently serving. Even then it doesnt seem enough.
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:58am
  - kowtow
    
    “doesnt seem enough”
    
    So the judge summarises how dreadful and awful the assault was ,then only gives the animal 22 or 23 months.
    
    What a joke. There’s no protection for the public from these agents of the state , be it the prosecution who stugffed up so badly in the first place or the courts who should be sending these dangerous bastards away for a very very long time.
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:44am
- fernglas
  
  The Police would not have dropped the charges; at the trial stage it would have been the Crown, and in consultation with the complainant. In sexual violence cases it is not at all uncommon to focus just on the primary charge, with other offences committed as part of the offending left aside to be considered as aggravating features if there is a conviction. Given that the lesser charge pleaded to in this case was injuring with intent to injure, it is not hard to see the logic, even without knowing the facts.
  It’s similar to charging someone with murder and with possession of the weapon used to carry out the killing. Juries’ jobs on these sorts of trial are complicated enough without having to reach a verdict on the lesser counts
  
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  April 11, 2017 12:30pm
  - ztev
    
    Sounds like a botched case to me. he was acquitted of rape and the lesser charge was only injuring with intent.
    Police should have relaid the charge after his acquittal- yes it would have been difficult and expensive but this woman did it. 28 months in prison is no minor charge.
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:33pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Rape, where she had willingly gone off to drink and smoke into a park with a man that she had met earlier in the day.
    Juries do not seem to have sympathy for victims that they think have contributed to the situation.
    Good for her, I hope the prosecution didn’t cost her.
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:35pm
Ed Snack

HMS New Zealand, in the Dogger Bank battle, Jutland, what was the third ? Ah, Heligoland Bight.

I note that HMS NZ had an unenviable record at Jutland, I think she fired the most shells – and had the least number of hits. Though in return she took but a single 11″ hit that detonated on contact and did little damage.
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April 11, 2017 9:39am
- Jack5
  
  Ed, an interesting article for you on the battle-cruiser class, which included HMS New Zealand.
  
  The battle cruisers were hammered at Jutland, and in World War 2 the Hood was a famous and tragic case of another battle cruiser.
  
  Sounds as though HMS New Zealand was lucky.
  
  http://nationalinterest.org/feature/battlecruisers-the-glass-jawed-warship-failed-13828
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:10am
  - mikenmild
    
    “Something is wrong with our bloody ships today”
    
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    April 11, 2017 10:31am
    - Kimbo
      
      Beatty (or was it Jellicoe) at Jutland?
      
      But as the German Navy crept back to Kiel to rust for the rest of the war, and as the status quo was maintained, the British won Jutland IMHO. Or at least a draw there meant they won the series, although the 1917 U boat offensive was a close-run thing.
      
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      April 11, 2017 10:36am
      - ztev
        
        Both.
        
        For me the most interesting thing was that the RN had built torpedo planes and carriers and was weeks away from launching an air strike against the German fleet in port when the war ended.
        None of that was available at Jutland, which showed how much things had changed.
        
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        April 11, 2017 4:37pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yep. Planes, tanks, chemical weapons, submarines, all made huge leaps and bounds in the short but ghastly four years of the Great War.
        
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        April 11, 2017 6:55pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yes, to give them the speed of a cruiser they jettisoned some of the armour on the decks, so they were vulnerable to plunging fire. One of the Bismarck’s shell hit the Hood’s magazine, and she erupted and was torn in two. Only three survivors I think.
    
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    April 11, 2017 10:35am
    - Longknives
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Briggs
      
      Watched a bloody good Documentary on Ted Briggs- One of the only survivors.
      He was getting sucked down with the Ship when an underwater explosion propelled him back up to the surface! Unreal…
      
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      April 11, 2017 11:53am
      - Kimbo
        
        I think he only died relatively recently.
        
        Hmm. Three adverbs in that seven word sentence. Maybe too much nuance. Let me try that again:
        
        I think he died not long ago.
        
        No, that is still another three adverbs in just six words. So there is no way to say it without adverbs.
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:57am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He died in October 2008.
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Briggs
        No adverbs
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:09pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        I died trying to read Kimbo’s self-analysis 😀
        
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        April 11, 2017 6:26pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’ll pray for your resurrection.
        
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        April 11, 2017 6:38pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ krazykiwi
        
        Just as long as they mention Kimbo’s law* on the death certificate as the cause of death, plus if your friends and relatives could include it in you obituary, please.
        
        * “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs”
        
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        April 11, 2017 6:38pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He died in October 2008.
        
        No I was trying to write the sentence without reference to those precise details as I hadn’t googled them…so it is a different thought, and therefore not a valid alternate rendering of the sentence.
        
        But if you can write an ordinary functional sentence without adverbs (not possible I think, as there is the time reference), you are indeed the grammar guru.
        
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        April 11, 2017 6:41pm
      - nasska
        
        In another time he fell off the perch.
        
        http://adverbless.com/
        
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        April 11, 2017 7:13pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        As an alternative, I’d rather discuss your silly use of alternate.
        
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        April 11, 2017 7:23pm
      - Kimbo
        
        See, I knew you are the grammar guru!
        
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        April 11, 2017 7:50pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Fifth-form English, as taught in the good old days….
        and a wee refresher from Sir Ernest Gowers.
        
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        April 11, 2017 8:02pm
krazykiwi

It’s 6 months until the German federal elections, and the ‘issue’ of the EU hasn’t been on the table. Until now.

Around the same time that the British representative in Brussels handed over the letter officially notifying the European Council of the UK’s intention to leave the EU, in late March, ambassadors of the 27 remaining member states were meeting a couple of floors below. They planned to discuss the post-Brexit future of the European Union over lunch. To focus the conversation, the European Commission had posed a concrete question for the ambassadors to debate: Does the bloc need to become more socially minded?

All of the ambassadors present had their say, with a wide variety of proposals ranging from an EU tax to a standard minimum wage to joint European unemployment insurance.

Only the German representative had nothing to say. The German government’s position, he said, hadn’t yet been determined, he told his puzzled counterparts.
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With six months to go before parliamentary elections in Germany, the SPD is seeking to pressure Merkel on an issue on which she had long seemed invulnerable: the European Union

I’m enjoying watching the changing European political landscape. So many moving parts, so much potential for new directions – both good and bad.
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April 11, 2017 9:55am
- ztev
  
  French election in a few weeks
  
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  April 11, 2017 4:38pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Yeah, 1st round. It’s a drawn out process. Gives the French plenty of time to organise protests, burn cars, block highways etc 🙂
    
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    April 11, 2017 6:25pm
NK

Fake News reports Donald Trump approved cruise missile strike against Assad because his daughter was upset: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11836017

She was allegedly proud of “daddy”.
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April 11, 2017 9:58am
- Inandout
  
  Wide support for the strike in Congress and around the world, so the Hooerald is somewhat out on a limb.
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:02am
  - jonar
    
    The alt-right isn’t very happy.
    
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-syria-alt-right-friends-enemies-1.4061862
    
    Some of Trump’s staunchest anti-war allies in the libertarian and far-right communities have now spurned him. They say the military intervention in Syria showed Trump was never the true isolationist they hoped he’d be.
    
    As some alt-right online commentators saw it, their anti-establishment candidate caved to status-quo political pressures.
    
    “That’s it. I’m done. Trump is a cuckservative now,” wrote one user on the 4chan “Politically incorrect” message board, using the derogatory alt-right epithet for an effete, moderate conservative.
    “Trump is a puppet now,” another 4chan user wrote on the same thread discussing the missile strike. “Swamp drowned him.”
    
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    April 11, 2017 10:29am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      4Chan is being attacked by never Trumpers and Hillary shills at the moment.
      
      They’re creating threads to make it seem like 4Chan has turned on Trump. They haven’t.
      
      They’re also using proxies to bump their own threads with different ID’s to make it seem like the threads are popular. They’re not.
      
      In all seriousness we can’t let this guy get his hands on the printer codes.
      
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      April 11, 2017 10:55am
      - sam green
        
        You seem to think 4Chan is credible as a news source.
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:26am
      - jonar
        
        Looks like Infowars got taken over by Hillary shills too…
        
        http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/infowars-alex-jones-and-alt-right-conspiracy-theorists-turn-against-trump-over-syria-strike
        
        Mike Cernovich and Alex Jones’s Infowars — both have earned praise from Donald Trump or those close to him in the recent past — promoted a conspiracy theory all day Thursday that blamed the U.S. deep state for the gas attack in Syria, and not the Assad regime. Infowars called the attack a “false flag” meant to force the U.S. into a war.
        
        As it became clear to him it was true, Cernovich said: “This is appalling, really. This is unbelievable. This is not what we voted for. This is definitely not what we voted for.”
        
        On Twitter, the reaction from the Trump Internet was fractured and furious. Paul Joseph Watson, a Youtuber who writes for Infowars, had one of the most dramatic.
        He tweeted a series of tweets that stated:
        
        “I guess Trump wasn’t “Putin’s puppet” after all, he was just another deep state/Neo-Con puppet.”
        
        “It’s been fun lads, but the fun is over. I’ll be focusing my efforts on Le Pen, who tried to warn Trump against this disaster.”
        
        Watson also said he was “officially off the Trump train.”
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:37am
      - cha
        
        You seem to think 4Chan is credible as a news source
        
        He visits to read the articles….
        /
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:38am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Sam Green, really?
        I am not the one linking to news sources who seem to think anonymous posters on a mongolian nostril hair weaving forum are turning against Trump.
        
        4Chan takes delight in trolling MSM.
        Perhaps go there yourself and make up your own mind.
        
        http://boards.4chan.org/pol/catalog
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:04pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        sam green, cha, jonar, NK, all butt hurt retards who dont understand 6 gorrillion D chess.
        
        8 more years chaps. Do try not to commit suicide between now and then! 😎
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:12pm
      - sam green
        
        Not my cup of tea – but sip away if you must.
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:13pm
      - sam green
        
        My “butt” is fine by the way.
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:16pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        If you believe anything the MSM writes about what a bunch of larping 12 year old faggots say on 4Chan you are much stupider than I previously thought.
        
        Where else do you get your news? World of Warcraft forums?
        
        Dumbass!
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:28pm
      - sam green
        
        Hmmmm. Talking at cross purposes much. And so freee with the insults. Did Grindr turn you down this morning?
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:39pm
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS, what is the appeal of 4Chan ?
        
        Pizzagate ??
        
        LOL
        
        What else ?
        
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        April 11, 2017 1:27pm
- LisaGinNZ
  
  most of the NZ Herald is ‘fake news’ mate….
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:47am
  - mikenmild
    
    That’s very interesting, Lisa. Here are a couple of dozen headlines from the Herald’s website today. Care to explain which ones are fake?
    
    Relief that house still standing, but anger at council
    With only minutes to evacuate, Ryan Topperwien tried to secure his most precious items.
    Man sustains head wound in Kaikohe altercation
    Police attending a reported disorder arrest two people for obstruction.
    Fugitive still on the run despite mum’s plea
    Police are continuing to investigate the homicide of a young woman shot dead last week.
    Medical lab technician sold drugs to teens
    Barry Soper: Saga does Little no credit
    Mass strip search not illegal – Corrections
    A strip search of a group of inmates after assaults on prison staff was legal, says DoC.
    Arrest warrant issued for woman who hurled racial abuse at a group of Muslim women.
    Trial date set for Naufahu sex charges
    Police are hunting a Marlborough man who they say is considered dangerous.
    Diesel spill threatens to close highway
    The spill on State Highway 6 between Nelson and Blenheim.
    Man involved in $40m drug trade jailed
    Ka Kit Yim was sentenced to 11 and a half years in prison for his part in the syndicate.
    Record cocaine bust: Kiwi arrested
    Teenager sentenced for killing his 2-year-old stepson
    Tamehana Huata has been jailed for killing toddler Matiu Wereta.
    Car crash on Auckland Northern Motorway
    Emergency services are at a car crash on the Auckland northern motorway, near Albany.
    Edgecumbe residents returning to homes
    People living in the northern area of town are given the chance to get into their homes.
    Police investigate less than 5 per cent of fraud cases referred from banking sector.
    Drains cleared as more rain forecast
    Hawke’s Bay highway drainage systems cleared in preparation for more rain.
    Editorial: Rain or sun – the show goes on
    Chch fog causes flight, traffic delays
    
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    April 11, 2017 12:29pm
    - sam green
      
      That one about the fog at Christchurch. That’s fake. I flew out of Christchurch last week and it was fine.
      
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      April 11, 2017 1:03pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I was asking Lisa, but I suppose your answer is as good as her guesses.
        
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        April 11, 2017 4:01pm
krazykiwi

Scientists find 5 life skills which bring health, wealth and success

The five life skills which bring health, wealth and success throughout life have been discovered by scientists.

Experts at University College London have found that emotional stability, determination, [self?] control, optimism and conscientiousness are the foundation stones of building a fruitful life.

People in their 50s and 60s who scored highly in at least four of the five attributes were generally wealthier, less depressed, healthy and connected to a large social circle.

I’ve self-scored:
— Emotional stability, 8/10
— Determination,         9/10
— Control,                      7/10
— Optimism,               10/10
— Conscientiousness,  7/10
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April 11, 2017 10:04am
- mikenmild
  
  Being a fuckwit didn’t matter at all then.
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:32am
  - Jack5
    
    You already proved that, Milky.
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:04am
    - mikenmild
      
      Are you saying I’m successful?
      
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      April 11, 2017 11:08am
      - Jack5
        
        You tell us, Milky: Are you a successful fuckwit, or a fuckwitted failure?
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:14am
      - mikenmild
        
        Modesty forbids me from describing my successes, minor though they may be.
        Perhaps krazykiwi might be more forthcoming on the material benefits he has accrued from his outstanding personal qualities.
        
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        April 11, 2017 11:17am
      - krazykiwi
        
        I count all material benefits valueless compared to the daily joy I get from watching Milky demonstrate his spitefulness 🙂
        
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        April 11, 2017 12:51pm
      - Manolo
        
        That Helen Clark altar you built looked very impressive. I look forward to the improved version with Jacinda’s pictures. 😀
        
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        April 11, 2017 3:31pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5 , can we include your hopelessly paranoid Islamaphobic rants ?
      
      Those Syrian families in Dunedin still a serious security risk that warrants constant SIS and police surveillance ?
      
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      April 11, 2017 1:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X: Does Stephiestani do without question marks? I guess not. The chants in the madrassa never contain an intonation of questioning. Just rock, recite, repeat … over, and over, and over again.
        
        In English there is no space between the last letter and the question mark.
        
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        April 11, 2017 3:35pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Does not seem to be working in your favour
    
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    April 11, 2017 11:15am
- cmm
  
  Other studies have shown that if you do the following you will likely be generally successful:
  1) Finish school (or real alternative).
  2) Get a job, any job, and demonstrate work ethic (showing up on time, being able to work with others, etc).
  3) Wait until you’re married before breeding.
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:41am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  All five are “keep on keeping on” skills.
  
  You still need to have the ability to sense the changes in your environment, as well as the cognitive ability to plot a course in life.
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:49am
- Rachael Membery
  
  The ‘Why Am I’ series about the Dunedin study ould agree, well especially how crucial self control is.
  
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  April 11, 2017 11:49am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Sorry ‘would’.
    
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    April 11, 2017 12:11pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    That’s a great study. The self-control part seemed to make a huge difference in outcomes.
    
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    April 11, 2017 12:52pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Delayed gratification.
      
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      April 11, 2017 4:43pm
rightoverlabour

Don’t think Auckland House prices are so bad….

http://www.mansionglobal.com/london/471879-carlton-house-terrace-sw1y-5ah?mod=search

$43,613,708 for an apartment!
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April 11, 2017 10:31am
rightoverlabour

WTF? Would the BOT here prefer the kids get the disease? Obviously you can’t force kids to have the vaccination, but to prevent it from being administered at school?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/timaru-herald/news/91324416/timaru-school-opts-out-of-vaccine-programme
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April 11, 2017 10:34am
- Rachael Membery
  
  HPV is sexually transmitted, a lot of parents would struggle thinking of their 9 year old needing to be vaccinated against anything sexual, what is a good age to have that conversation? Should a 9 year old be told what the vaccine is for?
  My daughter got her ‘shot’ at college when they were first rolled out.
  There was this herd thing about it.
  One good thing about every class getting it at school, it negates any stigma around getting a ‘sex’ shot because you are sexually active.
  There are still stigmas attached to things sexual. I believe that men and women are even viewed differently if they have condoms in their wallet or purse. ‘Intent’ to fornicate.
  
  I don’t think that I would have got my daughter vaccinated between 9-12, for HPV which according to that article is optimal and I assume because it is pre sexual. What a sad state that is, it is a long way from the age of consent, let alone still being a child.
  
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  April 11, 2017 12:09pm
  - Postitrote
    
    My daughter’s still got a few years to go before she’s old enough but I’ll be getting her immunised. I don’t even think about the sexual side of it – it’s all about cancer prevention for me. Plus, at ages 9-12 the immune response is stronger so they only need 2 shots.
    As for the school in the article… anti-vax nutters have obviously infiltrated the board. If I found out my kid was going to a school run by people who put more faith in youtube videos and dodgy websites than actual science I’d be looking for a new school. What next – chemtrails?
    
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    April 11, 2017 1:26pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Well HPV isn’t caught like a cold, cold sores (herpes) yes.
      But even life long nuns can get cervical cancer and spinsters, (hate that word) I got married at 17 lol hardly ever applied to me ‘ 😉
      http://www.obgyn.net/gynecological-oncology/nuns-virgins-and-spinsters-rigoni-stern-and-cervical-cancer-revisited
      
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      April 11, 2017 5:43pm
AgentBallSack

What’s a 2 year old Maori childs life worth?
7 years plus time off for good behaviour according to the courts.

Time for mandatory minimum sentences.
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April 11, 2017 12:39pm
- Inandout
  
  Almost as soft as Marae Justice.
  
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  April 11, 2017 1:19pm
- Postitrote
  
  Minimum mandatory sentence plus sterilisation and a ban from being allowed near children after release.
  
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  April 11, 2017 1:55pm
- GoVege
  
  The killer was a kid too, at 17.
  Love to know the family background.
  Why on earth is a 17 year old shacking up with a solo mum of a pre-schooler?
  Wonder how old the mum was when she had her now deceased child?
  Will she wait for the teen dad of the baby she’s carrying to get out of jail, or will this one end up with a “stepdad” too?
  Why are so many Maori failing their kids and expecting the state to support them instead of their own fathers?
  The state/ taxpayers may hand over the money, but they can’t do those other vitally important jobs fathers were invented for: #1 being to PROTECT their children.
  (Excuse the capitals.)
  
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  April 11, 2017 4:32pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not the first, think Nia Glassie, nor would she be. Actually don’t. I watched Nigell Latta’s Beyond the Darklands yesterday. research, Criminology.
    That poor little girl.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:10pm
    - GoVege
      
      Yes, and her fate was sealed the day her father abandoned her and her mother for an apparently “thinner” woman.
      I feel a bit sorry for the mother, being one of 17 children.
      Imagine trying to get any help from your kids’ grandparents….
      
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      April 11, 2017 9:37pm
Dafixeruppa

HOW DARE THEY!!!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11836169

How could the Herald put up a story critical of the Mighty Little?
It is outrageous and uncalled for!
This is smiting the little man whilst he is down.
Unions, you must rise up and defend your Chosen One! Get out in the streets, march, protest, scream and wail at the ingratitude of the evil paper that is biting the hand that feeds it.
Oh waily waily!
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April 11, 2017 1:15pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91334890/crown-must-work-urgently-to-tackle-maori-rate-of-reoffending-says-waitangi-tribunal

So the Maori and the Crown are partners.

Until the Maori misbehave, then that’s the crown’s fault.

C’mon people Maori misbehaviour is a Maori problem. It will only get better if Maori values change. Paheka can’t fix this for you.
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April 11, 2017 1:21pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  A white person did cause it. Norman Kirk took a medium sized problem and turned it into a huge problem by creating the DPB. White people can fix that by cutting benefits and (eventually) turn it back into a medium sized problem again.
  
  None of this makes the criminals any less culpable. But if you choose any group in society and tell them they are special, don’t expect the same standards of them as you do of others, and give them money without expecting anything in return, you’ll find that 40+ years later that group and their children and grandchildren will have fallen behind.
  
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  April 11, 2017 2:13pm
  - GoVege
    
    Norm meant well.
    Originally the DPB was intended to support married women with children to escape violent marriages or when the father abandoned them with no means of support.
    (Like my bast**d of an uncle, among many others.)
    I am sure Big Norm never envisaged that hundreds of women would see the DPB as their opportunity to bludge off the taxpayers.
    Especially when contraception and abortion were made freely available also.
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:02pm
- GoVege
  
  No, it’s National’s fault…for sucking up to a racist party that says membership of (criminal) gangs is an acceptable “lifestyle choice”.
  
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  April 11, 2017 4:19pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91334890/crown-must-work-urgently-to-tackle-maori-rate-of-reoffending-says-waitangi-tribunal

What the Actual Fuck??
Maori Reoffending is somehow ‘Whitey’s Fault’??
And how exactly is The Crown supposed to ‘tackle’ this problem? One suspects it once again will involve a shitload of Taxpayer cash…
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April 11, 2017 1:57pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  More like a fuckton of taxpayer cash.
  
  Thats a hundred shitloads for those unversed in universal measurements.
  
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  April 11, 2017 2:16pm
  - GoVege
    
    All this dosh being dished out makes me wonder….how on earth did Maori manage before the hateful white man darkened their shores?
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:37pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      They ate the shit out of everything and and everyone.
      On the bright side they had no written language to come back and bite them in the arse.
      
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      April 11, 2017 6:59pm
- tusker
  
  Longknives. Agree with your comments but what alternative is there to chucking more resources at the problem? It’s only going to get worse and the solution won’t come from within Maoridom, based on track record.
  
  Ray Smiths observations on the causal link between gang membership and imprisonment were interesting. Time to give cops even more ability to disrupt gangs? They’ve just delivered an excellent blow to a Porirua mob.
  
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  April 11, 2017 2:18pm
4077th

Right, that’s it settled then… Phil Twatford announces, well sort of announces Labour’s immigration policy. This time it’s an infrastructure problem and the immigrants are causing it along with traffic jams. Hey Phil, I would start with telling the fat arsed trailer trash you intend to keep paying to vote for you to close their legs for a while. There, I fixed it for you.
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April 11, 2017 2:21pm
- BassilFawlty
  
  Why not pay them to get neutered, say $10,000 for girls, a box of Lion red for the boys?
  
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  April 11, 2017 2:33pm
  - 4077th
    
    And here is Twatford’s leader promoting the exact opposite…
    
    “Immigration NZ delayed enforcing the deportation orders after Labour leader Andrew Little appealed on the students’ behalf to Associate Immigration Minister David Bennett two weeks ago, but detained one student at his home in Blockhouse Bay on February 15. He was deported to India last Friday.”
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11805472
    
    Twatford is a plonker and belongs nowhere near politics.
    
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    April 11, 2017 2:52pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Sterilisation would be cheap at $100k for those that value having children so little. Implanted contraception should be mandatory for any woman who has been on a benefit within the last 2 years.
    
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    April 11, 2017 6:41pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I think forcing pregnant beneficiaries to have abortions would be the cheapest solution.
      
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      April 11, 2017 6:44pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I agree with you shitbreak.
        If you’re on a benefit no further children will increase the benefit you receive.
        
        Well done Milky. You’re getting it!
        
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        April 11, 2017 7:01pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91453393/undercover-officers-help-in-massive-wellington-police-drug-raid

We have gun controls (soon to be tightened apparently) which apply to law abiding citizens and do nothing to stop the gangs getting guns.

It looks like maybe it is time to also try cash restrictions to prevent the gangs getting their hands on untraceable cash.

Perhaps we need a cash license which shows you are responsible enough to use cash.

You have to show the bank before you can draw cash.

Whenever you pay with cash at a show you have to show your cash license to prove you’re competent to use cash.

Before you get a cash license you will have to prove you have a safe at home to store the cash to reduce burglary.

Yup, that will stop gangs accessing cash and clean up crime immediately.
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April 11, 2017 2:25pm
- Brigitte
  
  Well India started by removing their largest note. But some think they should go further and become cashless:
  
  http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/president-pranab-mukherjee-urges-people-to-help-make-india-cashless-society/articleshow/58095274.cms
  
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  April 11, 2017 2:34pm
  - 4077th
    
    Yes india has done s stellar job of ensuring 270 million people are without any cash at all. Perhaps the details in this idea were lost in translation?
    
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    April 11, 2017 3:46pm
- kowtow
  
  Gangs and guns.
  
  Yep , Fuzz intend to crack down on the honest and law abiding while long term serious offenders get bugger all. This guy gets 4 years 4 months , which is automatically 2 years 2 months for stealing guns for gangs.
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/court-news/man-jailed-gun-cache-theft
  
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  April 11, 2017 3:49pm
rightoverlabour

Success – How does one define it? I would have thought that an absolute acquittal would be seen as a success, not what transpired. However FakeNews Stuff has this “After a week focused on his successful defence of a defamation claim, Labour leader Andrew Little was…”
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April 11, 2017 2:27pm
- Brigitte
  
  If you define “success” as “not being bankrupted (yet)” then the media are quite accurate.
  
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  April 11, 2017 2:36pm
  - 4077th
    
    I would suggest it’s obvious he is already mentally bankrupt as it’s a prerequisite for joining and/or running a union.
    
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    April 11, 2017 2:43pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      And/or voting for Labour
      
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      April 11, 2017 2:52pm
      - 4077th
        
        Ooooh, I think hat’s my first downtick. Must be doing a good job of getting under the skin of the mentally bereft. Badge of honour number 1. 🙂
        
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        April 11, 2017 3:39pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        4077th,
        
        Badge of Honour 2 –
        
        Mentioning downticks brings on the downtick brigade and no explanation why :=)
        
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        April 11, 2017 5:53pm
Manolo

Rat fight:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4399724/At-10-injured-fire-engulfs-Dunkirk-migrant-camp.html
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April 11, 2017 2:43pm
kowtow

“Those who arm themselves and threaten in close proximity to police can expect to be dealt with sternly by the courts.”

Judge Crosbie accepted the defendant had taken steps to sort his life out but said it was not enough.

Steur-Clarke was jailed for a year.”

One year is stern? What a joke.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/police/scariest-moment-facing-knife-man
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April 11, 2017 3:09pm
Hugh Pavletich

Big reduction in Chinese speaking brokers at Mortgage Express as the Financial Markets Authority called in over conduct and compliance concerns | interest.co.nz

https://www.interest.co.nz/property/86957/big-reduction-chinese-speaking-brokers-mortgage-express-financial-markets-authority

By Greg Ninness

Mortgage Express has severed ties with many of its local Chinese mortgage brokers and called in the Financial Markets Authority (FMA) over concerns about their conduct and compliance issues.

Mortgage Express is the mortgage broking arm of Harcourts, the country’s largest real estate agency. Late last year Mortgage Express became concerned about compliance issues surrounding mortgage applications made through several of its brokers associated with a company called Brilliant Finance Ltd.

Brilliant Finance was formed in July 2015 and operated as a mortgage brokerage on Auckland’s North Shore, catering to the Chinese community. … read more via hyperlink above …
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April 11, 2017 3:40pm
- Jack5
  
  Not only mortgage brokers. In Christchurch, some of those drumming up business for real estate firms are so aggressive, persistent, and annoying that you’re tempted to block them with trespass orders.
  
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  April 11, 2017 4:06pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Overheating housing market threatens to end good times … Reuters / Sydney Morning Herald
    
    http://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/overheating-housing-market-threatens-to-end-good-times-20170411-gvihg6.html
    
    Life Down Under brings its own risks. Australia is enjoying its 26th recession-free year, showing how this flexible economy has made the most of a rising China.
    
    Yet an overheating housing market threatens to bring the good times to an abrupt end … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    457s for Chinese realtors take off (only the amoral can apply) … MacroBusiness Au
    
    https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/04/457s-chinese-realtors-take-off-amoral-can-apply/
    
    Deluge of affordability data forces government’s hand | The New Daily
    
    http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2017/02/02/housing-affordability/
    
    http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:31pm
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Late to the party today Hugh, struggling to find stuff to feast on?
      
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      April 11, 2017 7:36pm
Jack5

No-show in court for sentencing today by drunken woman with mental issues who was the centre of the Waikato incident in which a group of Muslim women claim they were abused.

The woman who failed to show up told Newshub in an interview that her mother is Muslim. Her family spoke of the difficulties of getting her adequate mental-health treatment.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/huntly-muslim-attack-woman-responsible-makes-cry-for-help.html
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April 11, 2017 4:31pm
- Inandout
  
  Her mother is a Muslim, so no surprise the daughter is loopy.
  
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  April 11, 2017 4:35pm
  - mikenmild
    
    What’s your excuse?
    
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    April 11, 2017 4:50pm
- GoVege
  
  A year or so ago I was taking pictures on my phone in my car when a Maori woman came over and asked me if I was taking pictures of her and her family.
  I explained I was sending some pix of my son to his older brother in England and offered to show her.
  She was very nice and apologised.
  But if I had been filming her and continued to do so, I would have expected a hostile reaction.
  This case is such a waste of public money and police resources.
  
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  April 11, 2017 9:26pm
Viking2

Another resident said about 20 police officers turned up early in the morning, and he saw a man with a red ute and a bulldog tattooed on his face.

“There was barking and shouting.”

A Linden property police kept under surveillance had “hundreds of visits” from suspected customers, Detective Senior Sergeant Tim Leitch said.

“There was a range from grams to ounces being sold…a user may more likely buy a quarter-gram. If you’re buying grams or more, you’re most likely selling some of it, if not all of it.”

The house had surveillance cameras, alarms, and reinforced doors.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91453393/undercover-officers-help-in-massive-wellington-police-drug-raid
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April 11, 2017 4:33pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Must have been worried about being robbed? So much crime around today. 😉
  
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  April 11, 2017 4:50pm
  - Happychappy
    
    When you have the opposition crying for the poor and getting what they want it only endorses to them they are being ripped off by the rich prick regime that they are intitled to burgle them for their crime.
    
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    April 11, 2017 6:38pm
  - kowtow
    
    “So much crime around today”
    
    And why not ? It pays well , very hard to get convictions , even harder to be sent away for any meaningful time and if you are it’s all whiteys’ fault.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:45pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Linden and Tawa used to be chocka full of top Public Servants… such classy suburbs.
  
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  April 11, 2017 6:49pm
krazykiwi

The University of Sydney is standing by a controversial senior lecturer, Tim Anderson, who has dismissed the sarin gas attack in the Idlib Province as a “hoax”
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Next week the [pro-Assad outfit called the Centre for Counter Hegemonic Studies] will hold a two-day conference at the University of Sydney, including a discussion of the Syrian conflict “from Hezbollah’s perspective”. The event is endorsed by the University of Sydney Union-funded Political Economy Society.

An enthusiastic supporter of the Syrian state and lifetime radical, Dr Anderson was convicted in 1990 over the 1978 Hilton Hotel bombing in Sydney, but acquitted the following year. He has travelled to Syria several times to meet with Assad.

I’m all for free speech. But why the hell is a lifetime radical & hotel bomber (we’d call them terrorists these days) lecturing at a publicly-funded university?
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April 11, 2017 4:37pm
- ztev
  
  Because he works there
  “Research interests include: rights in development, Melanesian land and Economic integration in Latin America.
  Tim Anderson has degrees in economics and international politics, and a doctorate on the political economy of economic liberalisation in Australia.
  His current research interests relate to rights in development, Melanesian land and Economic integration in Latin America.
  
  he won his appeal of conviction because the case was dodgy and riddled by errors according to the CJ of NSW.
  he was press officer of Ananda Marga , a group supposedly connected to the bombing.
  the real reason the case wasnt ‘solved’ as Anada Marga was riddled with ASIO spys
  http://benhills.com/articles/scams-scoundrels/the-hilton-fiasco/
  
  “ASIO did not believe such disclaimers. By 1977, agents had permanent taps on telephones in five of Ananda Marga’s State headquarters, they were using listening devices, reading mail, engaging in “physical surveillance”, running informants inside the cult, and had circulated a “substantial paper” to regional ASIO offices and all State police special branches.”
  
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  April 11, 2017 4:45pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Hmmm, I retract the ‘Hotel Bomber’ comment. On further investigation it transpires that Anderson was framed, spent 7 years in prison, and received compensation for the miscarriage of justice.
    
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    April 11, 2017 5:14pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Hey, this is Kiwiblog! You’re not supposed to retract stuff.
      Seriously though – good to see.
      
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      April 11, 2017 5:17pm
PJ39

Can anyone explain to me how the Crown is in breach of the TOW because too many Maori are in prison? If anything it is the other way around. Maori are in breach for breaking the law more than everyone else. I just don’t get this stuff. Don’t break the law and you are very unlikely to go to prison. Simple really
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April 11, 2017 5:28pm
- VicParking
  
  Why should we spend more than 15% of the budget on maori. They should take responsibility themselves, on a personnal , IWI and Maori Council level. The answer is a simple one, DONT DO THE CRIME AND YOU WONT DO THE TIME.
  
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  April 11, 2017 5:46pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    ‘Crime’is a social construct, artificial morality. I am sure that there are laws that you do not like and laws that you break, some might even be imprisonable. Would it still be the case of do the crime do the time?
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:22pm
- ex-golfer
  
  But don’t you know the crime is a result of the evil colonisation – so its all whiteys fault and whitey must fork out even more dough bro.
  
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  April 11, 2017 6:52pm
VicParking

The SBW problem is easy to solve. Sack him. There are plenty of young up and coming players that are better than him. He has becom a PR embarrassment. Next he will insist the game be stopped so he can prey.
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April 11, 2017 5:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  Who would be prey on?
  
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  April 11, 2017 5:56pm
  - Viking2
    
    Females. He needs a couple more wives. 😆
    
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    April 11, 2017 6:44pm
- Pateke
  
  Gee! I wonder if he knew what the ball was made of? Pigskin?
  
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  April 11, 2017 6:00pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    New balls for everyone.
    
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    April 11, 2017 8:18pm
- wiseowl
  
  Who will he prey on?
  
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  April 11, 2017 6:41pm
- stigie
  
  Haven’t had Big Bruv’s take on it yet, im sure we will be better informed once he comes along..?
  
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  April 11, 2017 7:07pm
Viking2

A TYPICAL AUSSIE
The Aussie census has allowed their statistics authority to reveal the ‘typical’ Aussie charactteristics. In 2016, the ‘typical’ Australian home is owned with a mortgage, but this differs across the country. For example, the ‘typical’ home in Tasmania and New South Wales is owned outright, while the ‘typical’ Northern Territory home is rented. (In 2006, the ‘typical’ Australian home was owned outright.) Although the ‘typical’ Australian has both parents born in Australia, the ‘typical’ Australian in New South Wales, Victoria, and Western Australia has at least one parent who was born overseas. In 2016, the ‘typical’ migrant in Australia was born in England and is 44 years old which is actually two years younger than ten years ago. There are however some differences between the states – the ‘typical’ migrant in Queensland was born in New Zealand, while in Victoria the ‘typical’ migrant was born in India. The ‘typical’ migrant in New South Wales was born in China.

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/87019/review-things-you-need-know-you-go-home-tuesday-interest-rates-slip-consumer-spending
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April 11, 2017 6:01pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  So many meanings for the word ‘typical’, and so many dumbfucks who don’t know what it means.
  
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  April 11, 2017 7:40pm
Viking2

Dr Russel Norman and two other Greenpeace protesters face charges after they threw themselves in the sea in front of an oil exploration ship, forcing it to stop its seismic blasting work.

The group are being charged under a 2013 Amendment to the Crown Minerals Act, dubbed the “Anadarko Amendment”, which was put in place to stop protests at sea around oil exploration.

The law change makes it an offence to interfere with or get closer than within 500 metres of an offshore ship involved in oil exploration, with a potential fine of $10,000.

The protesters have been charged by New Zealand Petroleum and Minerals, a division of the Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment. This is the first time the amendment has been enforced.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11836423

So if he is convicted can we trow him out of NZ and deport him back to aussie?
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April 11, 2017 8:51pm
- RF
  
  Yes please. Tit for tat. They do it to our crims.
  
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  April 11, 2017 8:58pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Russell Norman didn’t row out to the Amazon Warrior or put up sails.
  Is the MV Taitu running on biofuels?
  http://www.climateconversation.org.nz/2017/04/greenpeace-russell-norman-barking-mad/#more-24095
  
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  April 11, 2017 9:25pm
- All_on_Red
  
  In Canada, Greenpeace is being charged under the RICO Act for making false statements against Resolute Forest Products for the purpose of fundraising.
  About time they were called out on their bullshit.
  
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  April 11, 2017 9:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I hope you aren’t suggesting that Greenpeace told lies about Resolute Forest Products.
    
    Those statements Greenpeace put out about Resolute being a Destroyer of Forests were merely
    “non-verifiable statements of subjective opinion” or just “rhetorical hyperbole”.
    https://www.pressreader.com/canada/ottawa-citizen/20170303/282187945805487
    
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    April 11, 2017 9:51pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  should add a couple of zeros to the fines, Greenpeace is a large corporate that will be profiting massively from this sort of action – $10k is chump change to them.
  
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  April 11, 2017 10:40pm
stigie

Sue their Green arses !~
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April 11, 2017 8:57pm
sooty

Why did they not row their waka? Hippiecrit!
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April 11, 2017 9:17pm
Jack5

More evidence that Trump was right about Sweden?

Mail delivery stopped to suburb because it’s too dangerous.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4400856/PostNord-halts-deliveries-Rinkeby.html
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April 11, 2017 11:14pm
- sam green
  
  FFS. Mail delivery stopped in a Hamilton suburb because it was too dangerous.
  
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  April 11, 2017 11:31pm
  - Jack5
    
    Perhaps it’s the Swedish Muzzies’ cousins causing problems in the Hamilton suburb.
    
    Was Nawton the suburb? Haven’t yet found anything on the web about mail problems there.
    
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    April 12, 2017 12:01am
  - Jack5
    
    Sam, can’t find anything about a Hamilton suburb too dangerous for mail deliveries.
    
    Can you help please with some leads?
    
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    April 12, 2017 12:15am
    - Jack5
      
      Ah well, Sam, will have to assume you were mistaken.
      
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