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Captain Mainwaring

Brace yourself for several months of cringeworthy virtue-signalling.
The Angry and Airhead tag team is coming to a town near you.
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March 8, 2017 8:01am
- cmm
  
  I likd the bit where she said she would never be more popular than Andrew Little as preferred PM.
  
  Why the hell did she say that:
  1) Because she’s completely besotted with Andy?
  2) Because rubbing his ego is paying dividends?
  3) Because he’s rubbing her ego so long as she stays subservient?
  4) Because she’s just completely clueless?
  5) Because she’s right and she’s Ms 4% forever?
  6) Because chicken salt?
  7) any offers for more?
  
  Yes, I know PM and party polls are different, but they should correlate to an extent. If Labour are polling 28% and Andy is getting 7% and Jacinda is getting 4% then where’s the missing 17%? That’s more than half the Labour voters who want neither of them.
  
  Of course now that Andy has been shining Jacinda’s crown this will not last. Jacinda’s shares can only go up.
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:14am
  - G152
    
    Watched for a little while.
    Are you aware that she has an alternate occupation?
    As the angry little man shouted, pointed, gesticulated and waved bits about she resembled one of those bobble headed dolls.
    sommat similar to the SAS car mechanic when Wino self applauds
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:33am
    - VicParking
      
      I’m sorry to say that yesterday Bill English was not much better than Angry Andy at Question time.
      He stuttered and repeated himself all through, and did not get a true hit on anyone even when he was give patsy questions by his own back bench.
      Against Winston he just repeated the same Answer over and over again to each suplimentary he was asked. He is going to have to up his game for when the selection debates come around or else the election might end up a close run thing and we will end up with the Drunk as deputy PM.
      
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      March 8, 2017 10:55am
      - pentwig
        
        Winston was totally pissed at question time yesterday. Good grief he was a disgrace.
        
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        March 8, 2017 7:39pm
  - Positan
    
    A lot of the touted gloss had well and truly rubbed off by the time of her TV performance last night. She failed in trying to appear “businesslike” – coming across as nothing more than a yappy addendum to Little. Honestly, I’m hanged if I can see whatever it is that the media are trying to make out she has. Surely, if the media’s transparently wishful thinking indicates anything, it only confirms how absolutely depthless and directionless our media really are.
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:53am
    - holysheet
      
      The Angry and airhead show.
      A new reality TV show where the public are asked to try and guess whats it all about, who is the intelligent one, who is the leader and why are they here?
      You are asked to put your answers on a stamp with Heluns portrait on one side and your answer on the reverse. You cannot spit on your answer, so you spit on Helun.
      
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      March 8, 2017 9:23am
  - cmm
    
    Reading some of the replies, perhaps Andy is being really sneaky.
    
    Perhaps by giving Jacinda a lot more exposure she gets shown up for being hollow and then Andy doesn’t look so bad anymore.
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:21am
    - pdm
      
      CMM – I am not sure Andy is that smart.
      
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      March 8, 2017 10:47am
      - ztev
        
        Thanks for the updates on what Andy and Jacinta are up to .
        I wouldnt have a clue otherwise, as I have a life.
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:20am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Not much of one judging by the amount of time you spend here
        
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        March 8, 2017 12:50pm
- RF
  
  I like that… Angry & Airhead.
  
  Do I have your permission to use this in future correspondence.
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:22am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Absolutely.
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:28am
- Fletch
  
  The air(head) to the Labour throne….
  
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  March 8, 2017 11:28am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    The ‘air apparent
    
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    March 8, 2017 12:51pm
Manolo

Wikileaks takes on the CIA:
https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/
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March 8, 2017 8:02am
- Inandout
  
  And some misguided fools think electronic voting in our general election will be safe as houses.
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:13am
  - sooty
    
    Not with Dot Crim, still here.
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:33am
- RF
  
  Maybe, just maybe the Obama wire taps of President Trump will be disclosed.
  
  Now that would be news…..
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:26am
  - ztev
    
    No evidence, not a shred.
    They were clearly tapping the Russian Ambassador – as they should-
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:53am
    - Happychappy
      
      Wow ztev out of bed early and commenting on GD so does that mean Andrew and Labour are demanding more for theirs bucks or are they not happy with what you are contributing.
      
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      March 8, 2017 9:08am
      - pdm
        
        What bucks – Labour are said to be broke.
        
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        March 8, 2017 10:51am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Taxpayers bucks
        
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        March 8, 2017 12:53pm
    - Ross12
      
      The initial reports said the first application for a FISA warrant named Trump and his associates ( it was declined) but the second application in October had his name removed and supposedly it was granted. It doesn’t take much to join the dots. Obviously it has to be shown that the warrant in October was given.
      BTW where is your evidence that they ” were clearly tapping the Russian Ambassador” ?
      
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      March 8, 2017 10:25am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ross12 , source ??
        
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        March 8, 2017 10:55am
      - ztev
        
        The previous Director of national Intelligence has denied any FISC warrants were issued for Trump Tower- he would know if they were.
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:24am
      - Ross12
        
        Stephieboy
        The initial report on all this was on Heatstreet.
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:36am
      - Fletch
        
        Original source was Louise Mensch from Heat Street, and since been confirmed by The Guardian, BBC, etc.
        
        https://heatst.com/world/exclusive-fbi-granted-fisa-warrant-covering-trump-camps-ties-to-russia/
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/17/louise-mensch-trump-russia-ties-media-scoop
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:48am
      - Fletch
        
        And of course – http://i.magaimg.net/img/65d.jpg
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:57am
      - stephieboy
        
        Fletch , there is no evidence in that NYT article that the FISA warrant named Trump or that the former President specifically ordered a wire tap on Trump.
        
        The article did not raise the issue whether a wire tap had been ordered by President Obama .
        
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        March 8, 2017 12:58pm
  - LisaGinNZ
    
    Recent story from Wikileaks “vault 7”:
    
    “We are in dangerous times. The CIA can essentially pose as hackers from anywhere in the world as long as they have the malware to create the ‘fingerprints’. They can create any narrative they want with this ability. They can claim the Russians hacked the DNC even if it was actually the CIA. Stay tuned as Wikileaks releases more damaging information from their ‘Vault 7’ CIA drop.”
    
    Even our ol’ NZ hacker “pal” Kim Dotcom tweeted about this day….
    
    More at TGP:
    
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/wikileaks-vault7-cia-can-mimic-russian-hackers-using-stolen-malware/
    
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    March 8, 2017 2:10pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  http://heavy.com/tech/2017/03/wikileaks-vault-7-samsung-smarttv-hacked-which-models-recorded-conversations-while-turned-off/
  
  https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_12353643.html
  
  #weepingangel
  
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  March 8, 2017 9:06am
  - Disaster Area
    
    My parents have a Samsung Smart TV. I pity the poor sod who has to listen to their conversations.
    
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    March 8, 2017 5:34pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  I’d be much more impressed if WikiLeaks ever took on the FSB… but given that they work for them, that’s never going to happen.
  
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  March 8, 2017 6:05pm
  - cha
    
    Likely a great big nothing.
    
    Everything you've read or seen about #Vault7 today has been a lie. Based on a press release, based on nothing. https://t.co/UVhFrmEzTJ pic.twitter.com/H1CfBubeuU— SwiftOnSecurity (@SwiftOnSecurity) March 8, 2017
    
    https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/839340300548059137
    
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    March 8, 2017 6:16pm
  - realityczech
    
    ” they work for them”
    
    LOL 🙂
    
    Loon alert code red !
    
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    March 8, 2017 6:17pm
kowtow

Britain’s elite continue to place race ahead of traditional values, such as equality before the law. Judges have betrayed their impartiality and need to be accountable to the electorate.

“Judges should consider whether a young criminal has suffered discrimination as an ethnic minority before deciding their sentence, under a new guideline.”

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39187265
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March 8, 2017 8:07am
- cmm
  
  Judges already have guidelines to be lenient if people had a shitty childhood (stoner parents, violence in the household, being teased at school for being a red head,…). There is no reason to pull out ethnic minority discrimination as a special case.
  
  On course this is really just trying to tilt the scales to make the stats look a bit better.
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:18am
stephieboy

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More fake News and deflection s ( unsurprisingly ) from America’s new stellar President .

Donald Trump’s latest attack on Barack Obama over Guantanamo Bay releases turns out to be completely false

113 of ‘122 vicious prisoners’ mentioned by President were released by Bush administration

” Donald Trump’s claim that Barack Obama was responsible for the release of 122 Guantanamo prisoners who then “returned to the battlefield” has been proven false by a US intelligence report.

The President wrote on Twitter: “122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!”

…..”

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-guantanamo-barack-obama-vicious-prisoners-122-terrorists-released-bush-administration-a7616096.html
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March 8, 2017 8:07am
- Manolo
  
  What would KB do without stephieboy, supreme defender of Obama’s pristine reputation?
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:10am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Manolo ,facts and evidence that the former President actually personally ordered wiretaps on Trump’s phones at his Trump Tower campaign offices?
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:16am
    - Ed Snack
      
      None, and there won’t be, because a President can’t “order” surveillance, the FISC does. That’s semantics, a President’s staffers and flunkies can be told arrange for an application to apply surveillance (which are very rarely turned down); in what way is that different, in reality, to ordering surveillance ?
      
      The mere fact that Obama’s “denial” was couched so legalistically exact actually is a reasonable pointer that some form of surveillance was used.
      
      As for Clapper denying it, for a start the NSA wouldn’t be doing it within the US, and second Clapper is the man who testified in public before Congress that the NSA didn’t take or keep surveillance information on US citizens within the USA – and then Snowden’s release of information proved that to be an absolute, bald-faced, deliberate lie. Clapper is simply not a reliable source on such matters; he has form.
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:42am
      - ztev
        
        No FISC judge would allow it Ed.
        Plus your chronology is wrong, the Presidents flunkys ?
        FBI does internal surveillance, the NY Office is a hotbed of Trump support, so any suggestion flunkies from Washington called up for this is ridiculous as it would be known by now.
        Anyway the answer is simple the FBI were tapping the Russians, following their movements, who they meet. That what be a standard thing
        
        Trumps flunkies are trying to walk back his claims, saying Trump merely asked an open ended question
        ie ““He’s talking about could this have happened? Did this happen?”
        
        Which is more lies as twitter remembers
        ‘Just found out that Obama had my “wires tapped” in Trump Tower just before the victory’
        
        Trump found out ?. Was it from Flynn!
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:02am
      - Griff
        
        The point is Trump said that with no evidence .
        That is a libel on the previous administration
        You can not take the government to court for libel
        You can impeach those responsible for high treason.
        It is only a matter of time before enough in the Republican party wakes up to damage this fabulist whacko will do to their election prospects.
        Swing voters are less likely to believe the partisans sources the Trumpies are obeying .
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:24am
  - G152
    
    Mussies have to stick together ????
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:35am
- William of Ockham
  
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  90% kiwibloggers support the mad fuhrer, Donald Drumpf.
  
  It’s true. Bad. So sad.
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:21am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Just imagine if this was the 1930s. Now guess who they would be supporting ?
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:24am
    - kowtow
      
      The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem?
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:27am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Wrong !
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:03am
    - Ed Snack
      
      One Joseph Stalin, the Saint of Moscow ?
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:43am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Wrong !
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:03am
      - cmm
        
        Naah. Course not!
        
        We’ll give Uncle Joe points for trying (between 30 and 50million killed) , but Mao knocks it out of the park (between 50 and 75 million).
        
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        March 8, 2017 1:49pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Some weeks ago, stephie, you were attempting to smear Maggy Wassilieff by linking her views to the Nazis.
      
      Now you’re attempting to extend that same smear to ‘kiwibloggers’ in general, despite your careful choice of words in doing so. I hope that our blog host takes the same offence at your comment as I do.
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:54am
      - stephieboy
        
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        calander girl , I did no such thing !
        
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        March 8, 2017 8:57am
      - virtualmark
        
        calendar girl,
        
        You might not like what stephieboy is saying but objectively there’s a fair point to made.
        
        Hitler didn’t rise out of nothing. The Nazi’s got 37% of the votes in the July 1932 German federal election and 33% in the November 1932 election. Unfashionable as it may be to point out, a large swathe of the population supported his platform.
        
        All first world countries have a similar tranche of the electorate that’s drawn to populist authoritarian policies. Historically that tranche in the US has been quite large. Not 90% large, but at least 10%.
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:47am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Virtualmark
        
        No, stephieboy is NOT making a fair point.
        He has not stated that we are to imagine ourselves as 1930s Germans.
        
        He has specifically referred to us Kiwibloggers – as mentioned in the above posting by W of O.
        
        If you knew your NZ history , you would know that NZers in the 1930s were not champions of fascism.
        Bill Jordan, our High Commissioner in London, and League of Nations rep. spoke forcefully against the rise of fascism and Asian militarism and argued for the rearmament of NZ& other open societies .
        (That he was ignored for a long time by the Labour Gvt is another matter).
        Whilst the Labour Gvt was reluctant to condemn Franco & his nationalists (scared of losing the Catholic vote?), other NZers weren’t…. A few went to fight against the Spanish fascists and some unions and commies in NZ gave financial support to the Republican cause.
        https://nzhistory.govt.nz/war/spanish-civil-war/attitudes-new-zealand
        
        Finally, stephieboy’s smear is an insult to men like my father and uncles who signed up for the NZEF in 1939, before compulsory conscription came along.
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:22am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W. explain how ” they ” includes you ?
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:25am
      - virtualmark
        
        calendar girl, Maggy, calm down a little.
        
        The original post in this thread alleged that 90% of Kiwibloggers support Trump. I wouldn’t say it’s 90% but there is a surprisingly big contingent of Trumpkins here.
        
        That original post used the word Fuhrer. Stephieboy linked it back to who would those people have supported in the 1930s.
        
        The reality is that there is a part of Western society that is drawn to those political platforms. I don’t think it’s a big part in New Zealand, and I’m not alleging you are a part of it. But it’s there.
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @virtual mark
        
        Maggy, calm down a little.
        
        I don’t know who you are, but for the last couple of weeks stephieboy has been associating me with alt-right postings and has been insinuating that I have racist tendencies.
        I think he has successfully managed to associate my name with Nazism.
        It stinks, it stinks, it stinks.
        
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        March 8, 2017 12:17pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Hey Stephie, you and William are pair of fuckwits, the dishonesty of both these posts show that neither of you are deserving of any respect or response.
      
      I normally just scroll past y’all and will continue to do so going forward but today’s effort deserves a little of my time.
      
      I know you wont take this advice, but if you only type what you would be man enough to say to the face of those on this blog you would get along a lot better with those who also participate.
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:55am
    - EAD
      
      Just imagine if this was the 1930s. Now guess who they would be supporting?
      
      I can answer that for you:
      They would be supporting the side that rejected the early attempts of Globalism (The League of Nations), rejected the depravity of Weimar Germany, didn’t suffer from crippling unemployment due a Federal Reserve caused crash, wanted every nationality to have their own country (read the Havaara agreement) where they could be the dominate culture, rejected Central Banking & usury, didn’t kill millions of its own Citizens (Soviet Russia) so on and so forth.
      
      Could it be that the National Socialists understood things we do not yet see? Is it possible that the Hitler grasped problems that we are only beginning to learn? I may not know the answers, I merely raise the questions. It does seem that many people accused of being “far right” are, in fact, merely far sighted. They are “ahead of the curve”.
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:56am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Tell us your guess, stephieboy.
      
      Who do you reckon 90% of Kiwibloggers would have been supporting in the 1930s?
      
      (It would be fabulous if you provided some supporting evidence, references etc)
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:59am
      - cmm
        
        While all this talk of Nazis is disturbing to many and is indeed hurtful, I think it is all rather a distraction.
        
        I’m far fore fearful of those who are pro commie.
        
        They’re far more dangerous than the Nazis. Both Stalin and Mao killed of millions more than Hitler did and the commies have got much more international traction (not just the Germans).
        
        Even in Germany the “beefsteak Nazis” were commie on the inside but switched to Nazi for reasons of convenience then just took off their Nazi uniforms and changed over to Stasi uniforms at the end of the war.
        
        Nobody in NZ has a chance to vote Nazi (or pro-Nazi). But many have the chance to vote for commie-sympathising parties.
        
        That’s surely more concerning than anything Nazi.
        
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        March 8, 2017 2:00pm
    - RalphT
      
      1930s? Must be Michael Joseph Savage.
      
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      March 8, 2017 9:21am
    - holysheet
      
      Look two village idiots at once.
      
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      March 8, 2017 9:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        holyturd , obviously you and EAD ?
        
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        March 8, 2017 10:59am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        What is the collective noun here? A clot of idiots perhaps?
        
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        March 8, 2017 1:00pm
      - holysheet
        
        A village of idiots is the collective noun
        
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        March 8, 2017 5:22pm
      - Griff
        
        A gibber of wingnuts
        
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        March 8, 2017 5:28pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        A Shakespeare of Idiots
        
        http://www.wordlab.com/archives/collective-nouns-list/
        
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        March 8, 2017 5:29pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        It’s a Shakespeare of Idiots
        
        http://www.wordlab.com/archives/collective-nouns-list/
        
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        March 8, 2017 6:55pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        It’s a Shakespeare of Idiots
        
        https://goo.gl/UQzZNn
        
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        March 8, 2017 6:57pm
  - cmm
    
    I don’t support Trump per se, but I do think that USA needs a hell of a change and Trump is the only president in the last 30 or so years that looks like he can make a real difference.
    
    One of USAs biggest problems is the huge National debt. Bush blew it out by $6T and Obama blew it out by $8T. That now stands at $20T (with many times that in unfunded liabilities).
    
    That means every US citizen is born owing $60k of national debt.
    
    All the other non-Trump candidates were going to beat Obama’s record and make it worse.
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:30am
    - virtualmark
      
      cmm,
      
      Bush blew it out by $6T and Obama blew it out by $8T.
      
      Donald Trump: “Hold my beer …”
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:33am
      - ztev
        
        Why arent you frothing over how much Key and English ‘blew the debt’
        Its now $80 bill, when the normal government level would be $20bill +
        Plus its still increasing every year by $6 bill net ( the surplus is only an accounting measure not a cash balance)
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:10am
      - virtualmark
        
        ztev,
        
        Because most of that debt has been incurred responding to events that were outside of Key & English’s control (GFC, earthquakes etc).
        
        Key & English have socialised the losses incurred by a LOT of New Zealanders. They didn’t have to do that, and as one of the people who’s paid for it I somewhat resent the lack of gratitude from the people who were bailed out of finance companies, Hubbard, earthquakes etc.
        
        But it was the right thing to do. Both from a NZInc point of view in maintaining equality in the country, and from an economic point of view in that it’s better to lance the boil quickly (even though you have to pay for the treatment) rather than leaving it to fester for the long-term.
        
        What I froth over is how your mob would spend spend spend like bastards on stuff that is in your control.
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:52am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        ztev pretends that the Global Financial Crisis and the Christchurch earthquakes never happened.
        
        Although I accept that ztev is not Trevor Mallard, I can’t help but wonder how high up the Labour ranks he or she is. Ztev certainly seems to have an in-depth knowledge of Labour Party issues, and a wealth of National Party quotes, rather like you’d expect from a party’s research unit or Leader’s office; just sayin…
        
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        March 8, 2017 10:52am
      - ztev
        
        Thats rubbish. Chritschurch was less than $10 bill of taxpayers money. The rest was EQC money and reinsurance money , not taxpayers money.
        
        Its 2017 , the GFC was over by 2012 at the latest.
        
        as is shown here
        “Direct public debt decreased by a net amount of $2,679 million including swaps between 1 July 2012 and 30 June 2013
        http://www.treasury.govt.nz/economy/overview/2014/08.htm
        
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        March 8, 2017 11:34am
      - virtualmark
        
        ztev,
        
        I’m not sure I believe your numbers. The Crown spent more than $10b on all aspects of the Canterbury earthquake, including funding EQC shortfalls, land purchases, bailing out AMI Insurance etc etc.
        
        Note too that in my original comment I forgot to mention the huge deficits that National inherited from your friend Michael Cullen. They had the option of slashing Cullen’s spending commitments, but didn’t because they knew it would cause social problems. So they had to swallow those deficits and tighten their belts in other areas to get out from under the Labour spendup.
        
        Frankly Cullen’s 2007/2008 spending commitments were an act of economic sabotage which I believe should have disqualified him from receiving his subsequent appointments & knighthood.
        
        If you’re so motivated about debt why not take a long hard look at Treasury’s 2008 post-election briefing???
        
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        March 8, 2017 12:06pm
      - Keeping Stock
        
        @ virtualmark – ztev forgets this:
        
        The cupboard is almost bare
        
        Thursday, 22 May 2008
        
        By Audrey Young
        
        The cupboard is almost bare and that is the way Michael Cullen planned the 2008 Budget.
        
        He has delivered a Budget that offers a little of something for almost everyone but his biggest gift is to National – an election-year headache.
        
        There is so little cash left to play with, $1.75 billion, that National will have little headroom to make attractive tax promises without saying what funding commitments Labour has made it will scrap.
        
        That is what Michael Cullen promised and that is what he has delivered. The $1.75 billion isn’t real either because $750 million of it was earmarked for health long ago.
        
        Phil Goff’s revealing comments this week showed that Labour is into legacy politics and this is a legacy Budget – a legacy to National. It will make it harder for National to win and if it does win, it will make it harder to govern.
        
        http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10511832
        
        For all that Labour talks about Cullen’s surpluses, they conveniently forget that the economy was already tanking before Labour left office. The deterioration in our economic position between the 2008 Prefu and the first post-election briefing to the incoming government was significant.
        
        Clark and Cullen knew the tide had gone out on Labour, so left English with the worst set of accounts imaginable. That was an act of economic and political sabotage that Muldoon would have been proud of.
        
        Cullen’s legacy to New Zealand was a forecast Decade of Deficits. English should be lauded for getting the books back into surplus in seven years, despite all the unexpected extra spending.
        
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        March 8, 2017 1:30pm
      - cmm
        
        EQC money IS crown money.
        
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        March 8, 2017 2:10pm
      - dirty harry
        
        Cullen should have been hung for treason. Instead Key gave him a cushy chairmanship.
        Key was a prick for doing that.
        The more I look back on Key, the more I see him as just a seat warmer.
        
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        March 8, 2017 6:25pm
    - William of Ockham
      
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      So you think a pig-ignorant deranged narcissist and his manipulative psychopathic sycophants will find a way.
      
      Okay.
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:37am
      - Ed Snack
        
        No, we know that they didn’t, he left office on January the 20th this year. But good on you for noticing and referring to that shit Obama in such a way.
        
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        March 8, 2017 8:44am
    - stephieboy
      
      cmm,” I don’t support Trump per se..”
      
      Now who would of thought !
      
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      March 8, 2017 8:59am
      - kowtow
        
        It’s not “would of”, it’s “would have.”
        Jeez , that madrassa had a shit English teacher.
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:01am
    - Fletch
      
      Bush didn’t “blow it out by $6T”. It took the U.S over 200+ years to get to that much in debt, and Obama doubled it in the 8 years he was there.
      
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      March 8, 2017 11:52am
  - Inandout
    
    And of course the minority leftards support the recently departed wrecker, Robert Obama.
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:53am
  - Positan
    
    Let the facts speak for themselves. Wilful stupidity is as idiotic in practice as insistence on maintained ignorance.
    
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    March 8, 2017 9:02am
  - Lance
    
    I call bullshit on that
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:09am
  - howitis
    
    90%
    This is simply awesome.
    I’m in Fine company. Yes Sah.
    President Trump is a bit left wing for me but he means well and is heading in the ‘right’ direction.
    
    Oh Noes. I just read it again. I done be trolled!
    Are you winding us up Willy?
    We already have Miss Mt Roskill 2013’s daddy to wind us up. You are redundant.
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:19am
- kowtow
  
  Yep, illegal immigrants should not be detained and deported, such an abuse of their human rights.
  
  “Ever Valles, 19, a Mexican national, was released from the Denver jail in late December. Last week he was charged by state prosecutors, along with another defendant, in the murder and robbery of a man at a light rail station this month.
  
  The case has drawn parallels to the 2015 murder of a 32-year-old woman, Kathryn Steinle, who was fatally shot at a San Francisco tourist site by a five-time deported Mexican immigrant.”
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-colorado-immigration-idUSKBN161077
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:22am
Viking2

Its raining.

More milk to sell.
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March 8, 2017 8:08am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  2nd day of rain in 4 months…
  I think summer is over
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:46am
  - holysheet
    
    54 mls rain overnight in the waikato.
    
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    March 8, 2017 9:30am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Just a sprinkle in Wgtn and it was all over by last evening.
      
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      March 8, 2017 9:47am
Happychappy

Either TV Three are hard up for Political News or Labour are so desperate to have Jacinda on every cover why would you do a column on her wanting to have a wee and then class it as a master stroke for walking out of a interview.
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March 8, 2017 8:15am
Stars And Stripes

Investigation launched over rape comments made by Wellington College students
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/90165634/investigation-launched-over-rape-comments-made-on-facebook-by-wellington-college-students
“Wellington College headmaster Roger Moses said he was appalled, angry and distressed by the posts, which were brought to his attention on Monday.
He had contacted Wellington Rape Crisis to ask it for advice for how to deal with what had unfolded, and to get its input and advice on ways to get the message out there that what had been said was not OK”.

You have contacted Rape Crisis for advice on dealing with it!!.
Jeez man get some balls and stop being PC wimp.
It was a stupid teenage post on Facebook which has all been blown out of proportion, nothing more, nothing less.
Just tell them to be careful in future what they post online and that’s the end of the story.
No false outrage or witch hunt required.
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March 8, 2017 8:19am
- cmm
  
  Half the point of being a teenager is to talk crap, rebel and blow the shit out of your system. Teens are supposed to be silly and say outrageous stuff.
  
  If we don’t allow teens to do that then they just bottle it up and it will come out later with more consequences.
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:34am
- Huevon
  
  Man, he obviously hasn’t heard what women say about men when they let their guard down.
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:59am
  - MCos
    
    He’s been head there for 22 years. I dare say he’s heard it all in that time.
    
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    March 8, 2017 9:39am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Nor the fact that gay porn sites feature porn centring on molesting ‘sleeping’ or ‘drunk’ guys. (Not of course, that I know this from experience, only from hearsay!) But this would never be pointed out by the MSM as gays are the new saints and holy men of our society! It’s only white heterosexual males who are at fault here.
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:25am
krazykiwi

“Jeremy Corbyn and other prominent British critics of Israel could be barred from visiting the Jewish state under a new law aimed at supporters of boycotts against Israel and Israeli settlements. “

His tacit approval of UK Labour party anti-semites doesn’t help either.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/07/jeremy-corbyn-could-barred-israel-west-bank-new-law-against/
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March 8, 2017 8:22am
kowtow

Oh look , more fake news from Sweden.

“Police have launched a murder investigation after a man and a woman were found injured, and later died, in the Hallonbergen area of Sundbyberg, north of Stockholm.”

http://www.thelocal.se/20170307/police-probe-double-murder-in-stockholm-suburb
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March 8, 2017 8:25am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow , an open invitation by a local rag for you to make assumptions and jump to conclusions ?
  
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  March 8, 2017 11:04am
Happychappy

If National are going to lose the 2017 Election they should go it alone. It is time to say to David Seymour that they will stand a candidate against him and if he wins let him deal if it then suits National. Bill English is capable of producing more Policy that could do the same as what he achieved yesterday and will draw the not sure voter back to National. If you have to deal with the devil make sure you have given it your best shot to avoid what this will bring first.
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March 8, 2017 8:36am
cmm

Stuff are really trying hard to stir the super age into a huge election watershed.

It seems to be turning into another of those Katie Bradford “No matter what we say, no matter what we do” events.

The people really are not as stupid. They know you can’t keep running up your credit card forever. They know the current super cannot last.

Once we had kiwisaver this change was inevitable. People started off thinking they were losing money into kiwisaver, but once you’ve got $10k or so sitting there it starts to feel like wealth.
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March 8, 2017 8:46am
- ztev
  
  “The people really are not as stupid. They know you can’t keep running up your credit card forever. They know the current super cannot last.”
  
  Then why was English saying it was affordable recently- in fact the reason for no change was it was becoming more affordable!
  Why is affordable not affordable in 12 months.
  
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  March 8, 2017 9:30am
  - virtualmark
    
    ztev,
    
    Super is affordable today. It’s slightly less affordable next year. And even less affordable the year after. And unless we make some changes eventually the bill for Super bill reaches a point where we will have to make some difficult trade-offs between paying a UBI to pensioners vs investing in education & infrastructure for the future generations.
    
    What we (the population, not the politicians) need is some mature cross-party agreement on superannuation affordability stretching out for the next 50 years.
    
    Instead what we get is partisan hacks who can’t pass up the chance to bark at a passing car.
    
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    March 8, 2017 9:56am
    - wahior
      
      The only reason it is less affordable next year is because the government is not putting any money into it. You know, the money they take from us that is supposed to be for the super , but is actually put elsewhere. It is purely a government decision to make it unaffordable.
      
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      March 8, 2017 12:41pm
      - virtualmark
        
        wahior,
        
        You know, the money they take from us that is supposed to be for the super
        
        Which money is this?
        
        Our taxes go into the consolidated fund and are put towards ALL of the government’s expenditures. There is no dedicated levy or tax that is tagged only for superannuation.
        
        It is purely a government decision to make it unaffordable.
        
        Only in the abstract. Yes, if the government spent no money on anything else at all then superannuation is very affordable. Likewise if we were to just cancel the pension outright then we could afford the world’s best education & health systems.
        
        The reality is the government has a lot of other things it needs to spend money on, and the ever-increasing slab of money it needs to put towards superannuation is/will crowd out other things that should also be funded.
        
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        March 8, 2017 2:41pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    A simple graphic to illustrate the problem:
    http://www.treasury.govt.nz/government/longterm/fiscalposition/2006/15.htm/ltfp-07-022.gif
    
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    March 8, 2017 11:13am
    - wahior
      
      Yes, we’ve all all seen pictures of the bubble. But what that picture doesn’t show is that the bubble has been paying a bubble of taxes throughout their lives. It is a government decision not to have put enough of that money away for super.
      
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      March 8, 2017 12:47pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Bullshit. Taxes have obviously never been sufficient to finance future pension liability – it is a ponzi scheme where the old benefit and the young get shafted. And it is not a new issue – I’ve been very ware of it for 20 years) But don’t blame govt – they are just weather vanes for selfish/stupid/irresponsible grey NZ voters, who are mostly quite capable of financing their own retirements, yet vote themselves rich by demanding that their children and grandchildren pay them pensions to buy new Audis, do several overseas holidays per year, operate big fishing boats and live with 1-2 people in massive central city houses (worsening traffic as they displace workers to urban boundaries).
        
        Rationalise it however you like but the boomers as a generation are cannibalising their young.
        
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        March 8, 2017 5:00pm
doggone7

Is Seymour needed to introduce wilder notions which English won’t want to be seen to be the architect of? Let Seymour push something and Bill can claim it was part of the Confidence and Supply Agreement with Act.
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March 8, 2017 8:48am
- ztev
  
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  National is its own worst enemy- no need for ACT to get in.
  In 1990 national promised to raise age from 60 to 65 over 20 years- after the election they changed that 8 years.
  Winston will remind voters every second day of this
  
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  March 8, 2017 9:17am
  - Longknives
    
    Must be why National are Polling about twice as popular as Labour Ztev..
    
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    March 8, 2017 9:21am
Manolo

A not so difficult read for KB’s aspiring Copernicus: “Astronomical Enigmas” by Mark Kidger.
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March 8, 2017 8:51am
Inandout

To save a visit to WO, here is an interesting list of what the Baby Boomer generation missed out on, but Gen-x get:

$3k to Work.
Accommodation Supplement.
Advance Payment of Benefit.
Assistance to transition into employment.
Away from Home Allowance.
Business Training and Advice Grant.
Child Disability Allowance.
Childcare Subsidy.
Civil Defence payment.
Civilian Amputee Assistance.
Community Costs.
Community Services Card.
Disability Allowance.
Early Learning Payment
The Early Learning Payment helps pay the costs of Early Childhood Education for children aged 18 months to three years who are from families enrolled in selected Family Start or Early Start Programmes.
Education and employment-related training.
Emergency Benefit.
Emergency Maintenance Allowance.
Employment Transition Grant.
Establishment Grant.
Extraordinary Care Fund.
Flexi-wage..
Flexible Childcare Assistance.
Funeral Grant.
Guaranteed Childcare Assistance Payment.
Home Help.
International Custody Dispute Payment.
Jobseeker Support, we got that one.
Live Organ Donor Assistance.
Modification Grant.
New Employment Transition Grant.
Out of School Care and Recreation (OSCAR) Subsidy.
Re-establishment grant (Special Needs Grant).
Recoverable Assistance Payment Grant
Residential Care Loan
Residential Care Subsidy
Residential Support Subsidy
Rural Assistance Payments
School and Year Start-up Payment
Seasonal Work Assistance
Social Rehabilitation Assistance
Special Disability Allowance
Special Needs Grant
Special Needs Grant – Long Acting Reversible Contraception
Steps to Freedom Grant
Supported Living Payment
Temporary Additional Support
Unsupported Child’s Benefit
Work Bonus
Working for Families <<< This one especially.
Young Parent Payment
Youth Payment.
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March 8, 2017 9:08am
- Griff
  
  To save a visit to WO, here is an interesting list of what the Baby Boomer generation missed out on, but Gen-x get:
  
  This got many upticks despite the fact that almost all those things are available to the baby boomers.
  It even includes
  
  Residential Care Loan
  Residential Care Subsidy
  Residential Support Subsidy
  
  Ummm granny in a rest home …
  
  Face it.
  There are too many coming up for retirement for taxpayers to support .
  
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  March 8, 2017 9:33am
  - Inandout
    
    OK, you found three.
    
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    March 8, 2017 9:43am
  - SGA
    
    I’d be curious whether one could construct such a list of programmes that were available for boomers but now don’t exist (and probably were replaced by other forms of support on that list).
    And, on the other hand, boomers received much more support for tertiary education.
    In other words, do all the things on that list really reflect things that were completely unavailable, or just packaged differently now.
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:09am
    - waikatogirl
      
      “And, on the other hand, boomers received much more support for tertiary education.”
      
      Only a small proportion of the population during those years attended tertiary education. Most went straight in to work from secondary school.
      
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      March 8, 2017 10:31am
      - SGA
        
        Yeah, I’m aware of that, but it still is a difference. A good number went into apprenticeships (sometimes with attached polytech training?), from memory, and I have no idea what, if any, incentives were available to employers back then under that scheme.
        
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        March 8, 2017 10:38am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        I’m one of those that went straight into work from school in the 80’s. However, I got into a 40 hr/wk paid job, while as my oldest last year got a part-time job with random hours.
        
        There seems to be a preponderance of part-time, random hour jobs available to young people now in comparison with what was available in the past, so overall they earn less money.
        
        I’m Gen X, on the older end.
        
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        March 8, 2017 1:27pm
  - kowtow
    
    Yep , and in Europe the elites think the solution is to flood the place with third worlders.
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:42am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    They are available to baby boomers. They were not when the BBs were the age that Gen-x are now.
    
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    March 8, 2017 11:13am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    In 1970’s baby boomers could buy a house for 2-3 times income and inflation halved the mortgage repayments in real terms about every 5 years. Many could own a house outright in 5-10 years on a single income. Life expectancy was around 72 so pensions were only paid for about 12 years on average, and more primitive medicine made end of life health care relatively cheap.
    
    There was in effect a massive transfer of wealth from older property owners and savers to baby boomers, setting them up for life. (I know a guy who bought a house in Herne Bay for less than $10k in late 60’s that is now worth nearly $10million)
    
    And now the pendulum has swung back to historically low interest rates over last 10-20 years, with no end in sight. And baby boomers once more benefit as it pumps up house prices to limits of ability of young to service mortgages – effectively a massive transfer of wealth from young to old, while we pay them pensions and to allow them to sit on their hoarded gold enjoying the high life for on average 20+ years with vastly improved and far more expensive health care.
    
    Baby boomers won the economic lottery. But it is their children and grandchildren who are paying for it.
    
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    March 8, 2017 11:41am
- MCos
  
  From what I understand the boomers have probably the highest home ownership rate of all and with the way prices are going will be the richest generation in the cemetery.
  They will be dying off in droves around 2040 and the dosh has to go somewhere . . . . . probably to their two or three kids apparently struggling to push their broken bodies on for another couple of years at the coal face.
  
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  March 8, 2017 10:05am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Every generation believes they are hard done by compared to previous generations. I remember telling my dad they had had it easier than it was for us.
    Life is not black and white, all generations struggle.
    Suck it up like the rest of us have had to.
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:34am
    - Happychappy
      
      waikatogirl /
      But I bet your dad tried to give you more than he got as youngster and if you are like me you gave your children better and like most Parents and Grandparents you continue that trend. We didn’t have the social life that many have today or the cars to get around like teenagers have today but their was one thing the we have that a lot don’t have today and that is respect for our elders and who we worked for and it was instilled in you at a young age. My father said to me before I started my first job go and make sure you do a good job, listen to what you are told and never let me here that you are lazy, could you imagine a father telling their children that now days and if he did how they would react.
      
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      March 8, 2017 12:57pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The boomer’s kids will mostly get any inheritance in their 60’s (on average one or other parent will likely survive into their 90’s), at which point it is too late to help them with costs of raising kids etc – and the big lump sums are more likely to be pissed away on extravagances – though might help them provide for their own retirements.
    
    Boomers by contrast tended to have parents who in many cases had kids later (delayed by WW2) and also died younger leaving them inheritances at a younger age that could benefit them more during their child raising years.
    
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    March 8, 2017 5:35pm
dime

***note to self***

Dont fuck with the CIA. Yikes!!

lol @ the email where they teach staff how to get windows 8 for free
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March 8, 2017 9:10am
Manolo

Uncertainty among Australian franchises. Rumour has it that the Brumbies will get the axe.
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/brumbies/australian-super-rugby-teams-asked-not-to-sign-nonwallabies-until-after-sanzaar-meeting-20170307-guso9i.html

Australian Super Rugby teams have been asked not to re-sign any non-Wallabies players until after SANZAAR officials decide if they will axe one of Australia’s five franchises from the competition.
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March 8, 2017 9:12am
Stars And Stripes

Nike’s new ‘Pro Hijab’ line will help Muslim women compete while staying covered
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11814121.
“It’s a timely combination of empowerment and merchandising as more Muslim women than ever pursue athletics”.

That’s one way of spinning it I suppose.
However you could equally say that in this modern time of enlightenment and so called women’s rights that this garment harks back to the dark ages and just perpetuates subjugation and lack of rights.
I’m not expecting any of the militant feminists to come out and say this however as Muslims are exempt from their crusade.
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March 8, 2017 9:30am
- stephieboy
  
  Stars and Stripes , whats the turn on for you with todays womens skimpy attire ?
  
  http://content-img.experienceproject.com/1303192908Tzpnl1.jpg
  
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  March 8, 2017 11:07am
Manolo

Mocking ancient Pelosi:
http://www.allenbwest.com/marie/mike-huckabee-clowns-nancy-pelosi-one-epic-tweet
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March 8, 2017 9:31am
- cha
  
  Bacon, lotsa bacon.
  
  http://cdn.newsbusters.org/images/2011/March/Huck%20Fam.jpg
  
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  March 8, 2017 11:35am
B.L.Zeebub

A valuable life lesson, for a couple of kids.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11813727
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March 8, 2017 9:32am
JasonJohns

Looks like Obama is going to jail for a long time. He might share a sell with a few RINO cucks.

http://thehill.com/homenews/322426-conservative-radio-host-evidence-is-overwhelming-of-obama-spying
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March 8, 2017 9:34am
- Ross12
  
  JasonJohns
  The interesting thing about this is Levin has not come up with anything new. He has just taken reports ,from mainly left leaning news outlets, joined the dots and asked some obvious questions.
  
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  March 8, 2017 10:06am
- dime
  
  no way the first black president does a stretch.
  
  id love to see some of his smarmy offsiders take the fall though
  
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  March 8, 2017 11:01am
trout

For those that are still perplexed by the US election result and the Trump phenomonen this is worth a watch. Carlson at his best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO60EvCxz0A
Trump is the product of change – not the instigator of change. His presence in Washington is looked on as a kind of cancer (‘drain the swamp’); 90+ of the politicians and hangers- on would be rid of him if it were not for his popular support in middle America. Eventually though, the system will chew him up at spit him out.
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March 8, 2017 9:39am
- Inandout
  
  Oh boy, that Carlson can speak off the cuff and yet still encapsulate exactly what is going on in America. What an orator.
  
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  March 8, 2017 11:31am
JasonJohns

No trout: Trump is a winner who eats losers for breakfast. He won in a landslide despite massive electoral fraud. He’s going to put DC’s political class out of business and rule as a tribune of the people. At crucial times in its history the world needs a dictator, someone whose will is iron and who can vanquish festering enemies. Trump will be an American Caesar.
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March 8, 2017 9:43am
- stephieboy
  
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  JasonJohns , a retreat deeper into Trump fake news la la land
  
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  March 8, 2017 9:52am
  - dime
    
    thats President Trump to you, asshole
    
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    March 8, 2017 11:02am
    - stephieboy
      
      dime , and former President Obama to you . Now mind your manners and be a good boy.
      
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      March 8, 2017 11:39am
      - holysheet
        
        Stupidboy, if we want to call your 2nd messiah a lying black fucker, then we will do so.
        
        It’s not “former President” Just president.
        See, you still need to go back to school to learn. Do less head banging. I hate to guess what the future cost to the taxpayer will be with all you mussies complaining of violent head aches. No one knows as we haven’t had any data from the past.
        Maybe you could do a survey of your tribe and report back.
        
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        March 8, 2017 12:12pm
  - Inandout
    
    Listen to Carlson stiffy you retard, and you may learn something; presuming your attention span is longer than 5 minutes. The White House is fighting a Washington elite who have turned off their hearing, and merely mouth ‘bad Trump’, ‘Hitler Trump’; a bit like you actually.
    
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    March 8, 2017 11:36am
- Simon
  
  Trump keeps hitting it out of the park. The Magic Negro is in his sights. Zero is gone burger.
  
  Vault 7 release Trump will drain the swamp with the support of the people.
  
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  March 8, 2017 9:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    “The Magic Negro is in his sights. Zero is gone burger.”
    
    How exactly ?
    
    Drain the swamp ? With his present Goldman Sachs and other” elite” cabinet appointees ?
    
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    March 8, 2017 10:09am
    - pentwig
      
      Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Tell us your guess, stephieboy.
      
      Who do you reckon 90% of Kiwibloggers would have been supporting in the 1930s?
      
      (It would be fabulous if you provided some supporting evidence, references etc)
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      You haven’t answered Maggie yet steffie.
      No testicular fortitude?
      
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      March 8, 2017 10:20am
Simon

BBC used the word #Kashmiri Muslim when he was denied the visa.
But when he molested a minor girl in USA, they called him an Indian Athlete.

https://twitter.com/kpnewschannel/status/838925697917792256
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March 8, 2017 9:56am
- stephieboy
  
  simon , likley a politcal issue . Kashmir is hotly disputed territory between India and Paksitan .
  
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  March 8, 2017 10:41am
Stars And Stripes

Homeless man given food from children – then immediately throws it to the ground
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11813727.
“A homeless man’s actions have left a couple of children in Wellington upset and disappointed after he threw away a plate of food and fruits they had just bought him”.

Most people who are not all starry eyed will not be surprised by this miserable piece of filth’s actions.
Money for booze and smokes is what makes them tick not food.
Worthless people who deserve nothing but societies derision.
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March 8, 2017 10:10am
JasonJohns

‘Worthless people who deserve nothing but societies derision’

Depends on the society. In civilised societies they were confined to institutions or euthanised to clean up the gene pool.
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March 8, 2017 10:16am
- Lance
  
  You are a sick person JJ
  So by your definition Fascist states were civilized?
  
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  March 8, 2017 10:31am
JasonJohns

Democracy worked well in Jefferson’s day, when the franchise was carefully restricted. Today it has produced chaos because Democrats and RINOs can buy the votes of unworthy voters. Trump can break the impasse by ruling by decree and reestablishing a sensible franchise. The days when the rule of the mob was tolerated are over.
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March 8, 2017 10:18am
- Lance
  
  “unworthy voters”
  
  Fucking hell….. by your standards I suppose?
  
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  March 8, 2017 10:32am
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , would you describe yourself sympathetic to Nazi racial ideology that included the concept of racial defilement ( Rassenschande)
  
  http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/blood-purity-and-nazi-germany/
  
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  March 8, 2017 10:43am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Thanks everyone for downticking stephieboy’s attempt to smear the Germans of the 1930s and ’40s. You’re outnumbered here, Stephie!
    
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    March 8, 2017 11:48am
- doggone7
  
  Rule by mob = no good
  Rule by mobster = good ?
  
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  March 8, 2017 4:27pm
JasonJohns

If a society imposes the death penalty, as most have always done, which system makes more sense?

System 1

The enforcing institution is the state, not the family or clan.
Citizens have the right to bear arms.
There is a right of citizen’s arrest — no state monopoly.
The accused must be accused by at least two witnesses.
The people accusing him must be among the executioners.
The accused has an opportunity to confront his accusers at the end.
A false accusation is a criminal offense against the victim.
The penalty for false accusation id the same penalty that applied to the victim.
System 2

The enforcing institution is the state, not the family or clan.
Citizens do not have the right to bear arms.
There is no right of citizen’s arrest — state monopoly.
The accused need not be accused by at least two witnesses.
The people accusing him are not present at the execution.
The executioner is an anonymous bureaucrat hired by the state.
The execution is conducted in seclusion in a prison.
The convicted person has no opportunity to confront his accusers at the end.
A false accusation is a criminal offense against the state (court).
The penalty for false accusation is prison.
The taxpayers pay for the prison system.
Question: Which system is likely to reduce the number of false accusations?
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March 8, 2017 11:08am
- gump
  
  Oh look. You’re stealing more blog posts from other writers and pretending that you wrote them. What is wrong with you?
  
  http://www.garynorth.com/public/9988.cfm
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:00pm
JasonJohns

Yes stephieboy I like most people on Kiwiblog support the idea that

– racial differences are real
– people of different cultures and races cannot live peacefully together
– the achievements of europeans are superior to those of other races
– the european cultural achievement must not be threatened by a deluge of immigrants

These themes were also expressed by Hitler, yes. Why do you think he was wrong about everything?
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March 8, 2017 11:11am
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , like the Lodz ghetto here ,
  
  https://www.ushmm.org/lcmedia/photo/lc/image/07/07065.jpg
  
  Or here ?
  
  http://www.myjewishlearning.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Lwow_Ghetto_spring_1942-e1462547780840.jpg
  
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  March 8, 2017 11:19am
- Garbageman
  
  You and that fuckwit William of Ockham seem to have the idea you speak for more than yourself here on KB I guarantee you do not so don’t bother bringing anyone else here into your delusions unless they specifically give you permission to do so there’s a good boy
  
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  March 8, 2017 12:03pm
- doggone7
  
  Given that people of different cultures and races cannot live peacefully together will you be campaigning for all descendants of the cultures and races who arrived after the original Maori settlers to go back from where they came?
  
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  March 8, 2017 12:32pm
  - JasonJohns
    
    I don’t understand what you mean doggone. Whites are indigenous to NZ. They have been here 10,000 and have runes and artefacts to prove it. Google Martin Doutre and John Ansell. Maori arrived 380-400 years ago and conquered the white civilisation. I favour sending them back to Hawaii.
    
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    March 8, 2017 12:41pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Whites are indigenous to NZ. ” ?
      
      Says whom and evidence of runes , artefacts like arrowheads , flints , pottery , skeletal remains ??
      
      “I favour sending them back to Hawaii.” ?
      
      Like Ansell, Doutre and Martin you are totally off your tree !
      
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      March 8, 2017 12:50pm
      - waripori
        
        Have you not figured out yet that JJ is taking the piss? Every time you react he falls about laughing.
        
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        March 8, 2017 2:55pm
stephieboy

System 1 :Likely has strong elements of Sharia and alt right inspired law

System 2 :represents a more civilized non alt right state of affairs .
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March 8, 2017 11:15am
RF

It will be interesting to see Angrys reaction when Airhead rates higher in the prefered PM poll.

Once that’s happened no amount of blustering will save his sorry arse.

Even Airhead admits Angry is not popular with the punters and we should look for the inner man.
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March 8, 2017 11:17am
JasonJohns

Thanks everyone who has upticked me at Kiwiblog. I am a race realist and a patriot who backs Trump because he is a strong white leader and an enemy of the mud race religion Islam. I like visiting this site because I know it is a Muslim-free zone (well no Muslims seem to comment here anyway) where other people who hate the muti cult of diversity gather. Stephieboy should know that his liberalism and rootless cosmopolitanism are in a small minority here.
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March 8, 2017 11:42am
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns,’
  
  “..his liberalism and rootless cosmopolitanism are in a small minority here.”
  
  Oh sure ! Your 9 downticks ?
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:10pm
- pejhay
  
  To quote a famous ‘politician’ – you’re a bad dude…
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:27pm
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA’S HOUSING CIRCUS: AUSTRALIAN VACANT LOTS MORE EXPENSIVE THAN HOUSTON HOUSING !!!

… The GREAT SHAME of the Australia’s thieving political and commercial elites …

Capital city vacant land selling prices continue to rise in capital cities as prices fall in regional Australia – Core Logic

http://blog.corelogic.com.au/2017/02/capital-city-vacant-land-selling-prices-continue-rise-prices-fall-regional-australia/

… via …

The hyper-inflation of Aussie vacant land costs -Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia
… behind paywall …

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/hyper-inflation-aussie-vacant-land-costs/

… Australian capital city lot cost … $A250,000

… Australian regional lot cost … $A151,000

… CONTRAST WITH HOUSTON !

Houston Association of Realtors … latest Monthly Report

https://www.har.com/content/mls

… Houston single detached median home price … $US210,000

… Houston townhouse / condo median price … $US138,000
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March 8, 2017 11:47am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Deluge of affordability data forces government’s hand | The New Daily
  
  http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2017/02/02/housing-affordability/
  
  Sydney housing: New survey paints dire picture for Harbour City’s middle-income earners – ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
  
  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-24/sydney-housing-affordability-nightmare-laid-bare-in-survey/8206676
  
  Demographia in the news …
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=demographia&tbm=nws
  
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  March 8, 2017 11:52am
  - starboard
    
    geez , just get outa the farter, open KB for my daily roundup of whats goin on down under…and first thing I see is good ‘ole Hugh still blowin on about property prices. Groooooannn….
    
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    March 8, 2017 12:49pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      And not even New Zealand property prices, unless our army invaded Sydney last night. He really is a one-trick pony.
      
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      March 8, 2017 1:33pm
Manolo

The British elite refuses to acknowledge defeat:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39200658

The government has suffered a second Brexit defeat in the House of Lords as peers backed, by 366 votes to 268, calls for a “meaningful” parliamentary vote on the final terms of withdrawal.

Backing the move, former deputy PM Lord Heseltine said Parliament must be the “custodian of national sovereignty”..
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March 8, 2017 12:04pm
cha

Another day, another lie exposed.

UPDATE: The Wall Street Journal of May 13, 2016 confirms Trump met with Kislyak. The Journal goes even farther and says Trump “warmly” greeted the Russian ambassador:

A few minutes before he made those remarks, Mr. Trump met at a VIP reception with Russia’s ambassador to the U.S., Sergey Ivanovich Kislyak. Mr. Trump warmly greeted Mr. Kislyak and three other foreign ambassadors who came to the reception.

http://americablog.com/2017/03/newsmax-trump-met-russian-amb-kislyak-last-april-despite-denials.html
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March 8, 2017 12:35pm
- Ross12
  
  They obviously did not see who Kislyak was talking to and sitting with when President Trump gave his speech to Congress .
  OMG the Democrats –right in the middle of
  them !!!
  Look at about 0.33 minutes in
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBTMKLmdpho
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:25pm
  - gump
    
    Did the Democrats lie about meeting the Ambassador at this event?
    
    Because that’s the problem here. Trump has lied.
    
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    March 8, 2017 1:32pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Did the Democrats lie?’
      Maybe not that one but certainly at this one
      Lol
      https://www.businessinsider.com.au/photo-pelosi-russian-ambassador-kislyak-2017-3?r=US&IR=T
      
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      March 8, 2017 1:40pm
JasonJohns

Fake news cha. Trump eats losers for breakfast. He has the vision to complete the mission.

The days when the media Dems and RINOs could disrupt America are over.

Trump is America’s Caesar.
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March 8, 2017 12:48pm
- cha
  
  Trump is America’s Caesar…..
  
  …salad, all crouton and dripping egg yoke…
  
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  March 8, 2017 12:58pm
Stars And Stripes

Tears as livestock seen floating down the river
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11814259
“Clevedon residents are reporting huge stock loses as the town east of Auckland is hit by the worst floods in a generation”.

Who do these bloody farmers think they are polluting and fouling New Zealand’s waterways like this with their drowned animal carcasses?.
It is a scandal and I will be lodging my protest with the Green Party MP’s immediately.
However since the majority of these polluters do not seem to be dairy farmers I fear they may not be interested in my complaint.?
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March 8, 2017 12:55pm
- cha
  
  It’s the washed up kennels complete with drowned dogs that get me.
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:04pm
- insider
  
  It’s disgrace that river is not 100% swimmable. The Greens will pass a law banning heavy rain over short periods.
  
  Yours
  
  Catherine Delalooney
  
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  March 8, 2017 9:11pm
All_on_Red

‘@KimDotcom
.@realDonaldTrump would go totally ballistic if he knew what the Obama CIA did. They used his phone cam & mic. Watching and listening 24/7.’

???
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March 8, 2017 1:25pm
- cha
  
  Moment of truth!.
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:33pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    The truth will out!
    
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    March 8, 2017 1:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red ,
      
      “The truth will out!”
      
      Kim.Dot Com ?
      
      LOL !
      
      You a closeted supporter of his ?
      
      Oppose his extradition ?
      
      Very sad .
      
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      March 8, 2017 1:53pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stalker
        
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        March 8, 2017 2:12pm
Keeping Stock

Fantastic first session from the Black Caps at Dunedin with Cook, Amla and Duminy all back in the hutch. The bowling has been superb this morning, and as much as I enjoy white-ball cricket, there is nothing quite like an attritional test match.
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March 8, 2017 1:35pm
- Kimbo
  
  What did you think of dropping Southee? Good wake up call, although he has been very good in recent test matches. But his batting should be more consistent, so on balance, on a flat deck, perhaps Neesham gave a better balance, especially as they wanted to take in the two spinners…and Wagner has a heart as big a a pumpkin.
  
  May do Southee a lot of good. And everyone else in the team, too…
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:38pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Certainly a brave move by the selectors Kimbo. And on the basis of what has happened at UoO Oval so far today, it’s been an inspired decision.
    
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    March 8, 2017 1:52pm
  - Longknives
    
    NZ are bowling well- But unfortunately this New Zealand Team makes a habit of attempting to slog away in Test Matches like they are playing T20 ‘Hit and Giggle’…The discipline in Tests in recent years has been Non-Existent.
    
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    March 8, 2017 2:49pm
- Longknives
  
  Love Test Cricket!
  
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  March 8, 2017 2:42pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Is there any other kind? 😉
    
    https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder411/60801411.jpg
    
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    March 8, 2017 2:47pm
All_on_Red

Gump
You’re a bit slow, Cha just posted this above.
You guys are tough huh.
At a reception with three other Ambassadors.
Wow, impeach him now. Hanging maybe.
Any criticism of Pelosi doing the same?
Heck I’ve been at large Dinner parties and can’t remember some who were there. Especially from two years ago…

Edit- there’s plenty to criticise President Trump over but you guys just look pathetic with this rubbish. Oh well.
#TDS

Edit- just deleted your post eh Gump.
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March 8, 2017 1:36pm
Michael

Fake riots, fake burning of vehicles. Russian media to blame.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/90195181/fake-news-russian-tv-crew-tries-to-bribe-swedish-youngsters-to-riot-on-camera
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March 8, 2017 1:44pm
Manolo

I wonder if our stephieboy has a Russian fetish? Would the (un)holy Quran allow it?
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March 8, 2017 1:49pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Actually I don’t think Russia has too many problems with its Muslim citizens. Probably because they know if they play up they will be swiftly dealt to!
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:54pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , yep like taking out” supected”families of” suspected ‘ Jihad terrorists ?
    
    Roll along Trump .
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/world/europe/russia-chechnya-caucasus-terrorists-families.html
    
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    March 8, 2017 2:11pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stalker
      
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      March 8, 2017 2:12pm
cha

Scheduled for March 20 so remember kids, an early start Tuesday fortnight.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6WDmPrVAAAw1-Q.jpg
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March 8, 2017 1:52pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Excellent. Has the NYT and others been making shit up?
  Or are they right?
  
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  March 8, 2017 1:57pm
  - cha
    
    Who knows.
    
    But anyhoo, alternative shamrock.
    
    https://twitter.com/HairyBabyTees/status/839117172442034176
    
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    March 8, 2017 2:03pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Heh
      Had a drink with friend who works in Britomart. He said he saw four Americans ( off a Cruise ship) walking around wearing MAGA hats and went up to them and asked if they would sell one.
      The American said he was the fourth person to ask them in the last half hour!
      And no they didn’t sell one.
      
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      March 8, 2017 2:09pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Heh,
        
        Twitter Noticed An Error On The New Green Trump Hats”
        
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-maga-hat-shamrock_us_58bef6f9e4b0f0c1cf968fbf
        
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        March 8, 2017 3:32pm
      - RF
        
        Try Trade Me.
        
        That’s where I got my red MAGA cap.
        
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        March 8, 2017 5:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , of course Breitbart ,Fox and infowars never make shit up now do they ?
    
    cha , alernative facts ?
    
    https://twitter.com/hashtag/AlternativeFacts?src=hash
    
    LOL yet again
    
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    March 8, 2017 2:06pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stalker
      
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      March 8, 2017 2:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Another heavy dose of Paranoia Today, eh ?
        
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        March 8, 2017 2:15pm
All_on_Red

Stolen from Twitter
‘My wife asked why I carried a gun around the house. I told her-fear of the CIA. She Laughed, I laughed, the Samsung TV laughed. I shot the TV’
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March 8, 2017 2:38pm
- Griff
  
  Well done all on red.
  Do you now understand why Trumpets twittering about being “tapped” is so last century?
  
  Does the Orangutan still use land lines ?
  How quaint .
  
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  March 8, 2017 2:49pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sigh.
    I think ‘Tapped’ is probably easier on Twitter than saying ‘various types of electronic communication devices monitored in various ways and infected by different types of malware’ etc etc.
    Oh, I note the NYT used ‘wire tapped’ in some articles. Perhaps you should send them an email pointing out how last Century they are. They’ll really appreciate the heads up.
    
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    March 8, 2017 3:21pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red ,Trump’s unsecured android,
      
      http://nowayobloggers.com/uploads/1487088432_senators-launch-query-on-trumps-smartphone-security.png
      
      Bad day for you on the blog ?
      
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      March 8, 2017 3:30pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stalker
        
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        March 8, 2017 4:37pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Wanker – that’s yu stephie
        
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        March 8, 2017 5:29pm
      - reid3
        
        “Bad day for you on the blog ?”
        
        Says the guy who gets such a massive daily blizzard of downticks it’s hard to find even one of his idiotic posts that hasn’t already been hidden by the WordPress “this guy’s a total tosser” algorithm which is what I understand the WordPress devs called it during dev and [chortle] test.
        
        Were you one of the testers stephie? Is that what you used to do?
        
        Rhetorical question: i.e. don’t answer, I’m not interested in anything you say. The only thing I care about when I see one of your posts is “where’s the downtick button” so I can contribute to hiding you, again and again and again and again and again, etc etc etc etc etc.
        
        Just cos I can.
        
        Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
        
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        March 8, 2017 5:56pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Does the Orangutan still use land lines ?”
    
    No the filthy monkey had already served two terms.
    
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    March 8, 2017 5:50pm
Manolo

No to Lazarus Clinton?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/07/new-yorkers-to-hillary-clinton-no-thanks/

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton didn’t perform well in the latest poll in the New York City mayor’s race, according to a new Rasmussen poll released Tuesday.

58% of likely voters in the city don’t want Clinton to run again, compared to just 23% of voters who wanted the former presidential candidate to run.
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March 8, 2017 2:45pm
krazykiwi

For anyone just popping out to buy Ferrari’s latest creation, you’ll be pleased to know that “The seats follow a diapason design language and exploit that expansiveness to create an interplay of solids and voids that lend character to the seat and backrest.” 🙂

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/features/ferrari-812-superfast/ferrari-812-superfast0/
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March 8, 2017 3:37pm
- nasska
  
  Chickening out of cycling KK? 🙂
  
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  March 8, 2017 3:52pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    It’s possible. Just buy me a prancing horse and I promise to put the bike out to pasture 🙂
    
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    March 8, 2017 4:01pm
    - nasska
      
      You could just adapt the bike frame to allow for your advancing old age KK. 🙂
      
      http://www.insidethegames.biz/media/image/10785/o/South%20Africa%20secured%20two%20golds%20on%20the%20opening%20day%20of%20the%20final%20World%20Cup%20of%20the%20season.jpg
      
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      March 8, 2017 4:10pm
      - sooty
        
        What take the seat off?
        
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        March 8, 2017 8:22pm
- gump
  
  It’s an oil burner. Why would you buy one just as they’re on the cusp of being superseded?
  
  Ferrari is already making hybrid vehicles. The writing is on the wall for their ICE vehicles.
  
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  March 8, 2017 5:30pm
  - realityczech
    
    Ain’t too bright are ya Cleatus ?
    
    What generates the electricity for these hybrids you speak of ?
    
    There are exactly zero sustainable electric cars. They are all money losers. Serial fraudsters like Elon Musk make money by milking tax payer subsidies and grants. Even then his companies cant turn a profit. Toyota losses money on every Prius they make.
    
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    March 8, 2017 5:37pm
    - nasska
      
      Ferrari aren’t a volume manufacturer so there’ll probably always be a market for their high priced toys regardless of what powers them.
      
      A little known fact is that they build tractors too…..real mean machines. https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8228/8444350946_58c73d1d37_b.jpg
      
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      March 8, 2017 5:48pm
      - realityczech
        
        Electric cars and a virtue signalling indulgence of people with more money than sense. They are also very damaging to the environment.
        
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        March 8, 2017 5:53pm
    - Griff
      
      Oh look a buggy whip fan .
      Ice is zombie technology.
      Every car manufacturer is making hybrids .
      Telsa makes money on every car sold .
      They are bleeding capital building the infrastructure to manufacture the back order of 400,000 cars. From nothing to top selling car in its class in four years is better than any other attempt to enter the car market in the last fifty odd years .
      2015 21 Tesla imported to NZ on the grey market
      3014 24.
      So far to February this year another 24 cars on the road here .
      The dealership just opened .
      https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ
      When the 3 gets here in 2018 they will instantly be a major player in NZ’s new car market .
      
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      March 8, 2017 6:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I was at their launch the other day at the worm.
        Good looking car.
        Apparently Audi have one coming with 850 km range and to charge you just park over a pad (wireless)
        I quite like the BMW i3 , but I think I’d get one with the Range Extender.
        
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        March 8, 2017 6:45pm
      - nasska
        
        What happened to the Tesla Roadster Griff? No mention about it on your link but it would be just the thing to move peoples concept of electric cars away from that of advanced mobility scooters.
        
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        March 8, 2017 6:53pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Tesla CFO Resigns; Analysts Worry Company Soon out of Cash
        
        He resigned two days after filing company’s Annual Report with the SEC
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/california/2017/02/27/tesla-cfo-resigns-analysts-worry-company-cash-4-months/
        
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        March 8, 2017 7:05pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Dream on.
        
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        March 8, 2017 8:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Ferrari is already making hybrid vehicles’
    Really ? Which model?
    In other news the local dealer has 17 orders for the just released 812 Superfast. A 790 bhp V12!
    Save the Planet
    Varooom
    
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    March 8, 2017 6:34pm
    - Griff
      
      http://auto.ferrari.com/en_EN/sports-cars-models/car-range/laferrari/
      
      It boasts the most extreme performance ever achieved by a Ferrari production car and features the most advanced and innovative technical solutions which will, in the future, filter down to the rest of the Ferrari range.
      The 6262cc V12 produces 800 CV and the electric motor a further 12o kW (163 CV) for a total of over 960 CV.
      
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      March 8, 2017 6:45pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Oh yes, I forgot about the La Fa. One of my friends has one too. But they only made 400 and the last one sold in the UK second hand for Sterling £2,500,000 odd so perhaps I can be forgiven since they are hardly available off the shelf…
        Also the electric power is purely to add to the torque and response. Not sure it can actually run on electric power alone. Must ask my friend.
        
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        March 8, 2017 6:49pm
      - Johnboy
        
        That’s a huge advance on the Citroen 2CV!! 🙂
        
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        March 8, 2017 6:51pm
Happychappy

What the fucks going on in NZ when tax payers money is used to make a film on Dot Com and his troubles with Hollywood.
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- Johnboy
  
  It’s just our contribution to ‘Luv the Fugley Chap Day’ HC. 🙂
  
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  March 8, 2017 6:54pm
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    What would Andrew Little be able to fix with that $800,000 that the Film Commission gave them to promote a Criminal that has cost our Country Millions.
    
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    March 8, 2017 7:03pm
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      Jackass’s upper teeth? 🙂
      
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      March 8, 2017 7:06pm
realityczech

I see the fake news media are running lots of anti male stories today in support of International Hatred of Men day.

They must think people still listen to them.
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- Lucia Maria
  
  You obviously have. Most likely through the fingers in your ears, that’s why the message is garbled.
  
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  March 8, 2017 6:49pm
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    You have lovely thighs Lucia! 🙂
    
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    March 8, 2017 6:55pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hey Lucia,
    What do you think of ex Director of National Intelligence James Clapper ( an Obama appointee) saying in an interview on NBCs Meet the Press that there was NO collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russians?
    Good news eh.
    
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    March 8, 2017 6:59pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Been busy today, All_on_Red, still catching up.
      
      Maybe you can give me a link, or a quote of his exact words. Especially after the day before yesterday.
      
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      March 8, 2017 7:07pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Don’t be lazy. I’m sure Google will help you. Have a look. Clapper is quite definitive.
        Or, sit in the dark going lalalalalalaal
        
        Oh, you’re saying that because there is no evidence that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
        Hahahahahaah. Wow, still the same paranoid delusional extremist huh.
        So funny.
        
        ‘Clapper was also asked on “Meet the Press” if he had any evidence that the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russian government while the Kremlin was working to influence the election.
        
        “Not to my knowledge,” Clapper said, based on the information he had before his time in the position ended.
        
        “We did not include anything in our report … that had any reflect of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that included in our report,” he said. “We had no evidence of such collusion.”
        
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        March 8, 2017 7:13pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        You’re the one that brought it to my attention and then wants to know my opinion, yet you can’t do the work to find out exactly what was said.
        
        What’s the bet that you misunderstood it?
        
        Edited to add: I see you’ve changed your mind and added some context. Will check it soon, am cooking.
        
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        March 8, 2017 7:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        It was easy to find.
        What’s to misunderstand about ‘We had no evidence of such collusion.”
        Do you have evidence?
        
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        March 8, 2017 7:20pm
      - Griff
        
        Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper denied in an interview Sunday President Trump’s claims that there was a court-ordered wiretap of Trump Tower prior to the 2016 election.
        
        Clapper, who served as the head of the intelligence agency under former President Barack Obama, said he would have known about a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court Act (FISA) order if one existed, he told NBC’s Meet the Press.
        
        “There was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president, the president-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign,” Clapper told NBC’s Chuck Todd.
        
        Yip All on red we know what that means
        The Orangutan lied again…..
        
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        March 8, 2017 7:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        But Griff, the NYT and others were reporting wiretapping early this year before Clappers statement.
        Don’t you mean Trump was wrong (amongst many others ) to rely on them because the NYT lied?
        Gosh, that’s terrible. What with the NYT being so respected and all. I hope President Trump learns they will never be able to be trusted again
        Lol
        
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        March 8, 2017 7:45pm
      - Griff
        
        Spinning around all on red.
        Who said the eyes were on trumpets ?
        Dont ya think the yanks spy on the Russian spy’s they know are there ?
        Of smegging course they do.
        
        It may be a year or two before we get an answer.
        Thinking it will all go away because pf some dribble you read on a wingnut site is just silly.
        
        Meantime more people are now pissed at Trump
        including the intelligence agency’s
        
        From the “He is goina smash obama care bigly “file.
        I see obama care lite is stalled ….
        
        Trumpies are so funny .
        
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        March 8, 2017 7:57pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Where’s the spin?
        What the papers wrote is in black and white. Not sure everyone would agree the NYT and The Guardian are ‘wingnut sites’- perhaps they are now.
        Somehow I don’t think President Trump wants this to go away.
        Hence the Tweet…
        
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        March 8, 2017 8:03pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        All_on_Red,
        
        I found a link to your source: Former DNI James Clapper: ‘I Can Deny’ Wiretap of Trump Tower
        
        No wonder you didn’t want to put the link in. Oh, and now, I see Griff has pointed out a relevant paragraph that you are choosing to ignore.
        
        Where’s Maggy to help you with your abysmal comprehension skills?
        
        So, what do I think? Well, he’s saying they found no evidence, not that there wasn’t any that he suspected to be still out there that they needed to find, that was still being looked into.
        
        Because, All_on_red, you can bet the IC in the US and various IC allied to the US are looking into any connections Trump has had with the Russians and just how far it goes. It’s going to be a shitstorm when it comes out, which to me, explains Trump’s bizarre behaviour with his tweets.
        
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        March 8, 2017 8:29pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Err, my question to you wasn’t about wiretapping. It was about collusion.
        See-
        “Hey Lucia,
        What do you think of ex Director of National Intelligence James Clapper ( an Obama appointee) saying in an interview on NBCs Meet the Press that there was NO collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russians?
        Good news eh.”
        
        So your smartarse comment about comprehension backfires as you show you are the stupid one
        Griff is just playing look squirrel and now you are too. I was asking you about one specific thing because you have claimed for months that Trump was working with Putin. Now shown to be a totally moronic argument. DNI Clapper is saying they have looked into it. Wow. Talk about you being in denial.’ There’s still evidence out there she shrieks.hahahahaha. But bring on the investigation. That’s what Trump wants, but run by the GOP in Congress.
        So funny
        As for the ‘wiretapping’ I have never said there was. All I have done is state the facts that the NYT, the Guardian and others have.
        Fuck you are thick.
        Oh sorry, forgive me. Lol.
        
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        March 8, 2017 8:51pm
      - Griff
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-adviser-jeffrey-jd-gordon-speak-russia-ambassador-sergey-kislyak-us-relations-isis-a7616436.html
        
        A former adviser to Donald Trump has told The Independent he met with the Russian ambassador to the US five months before the election to discuss how Moscow and Washington could work together to tackle Islamist extremism if the New York tycoon became President.
        
        Drip drip drip.
        
        You dont quite get it do you all on red .
        Negotiating with a foreign government in anyway before you are the legal government is a crime.
        
        There is mounting evidence that the trump campaign did do that .
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Off on another tangent eh.
        Discussion is not negotiation.
        I guess you will be showing your ignorance again by raising the Logan Act.
        Trump spoke to several heads of state before the inaugeration…
        Shit, he flew to Mexico to meet their President during the Campaign.
        Is he in handcuffs? No.
        Your ignorance is becoming embarrassing.
        Soooo funny
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:15pm
Lucia Maria

So funny!

Trump’s Unfounded Accusations of Wiretapping: The Daily Show 7 minutes 3 seconds

Trevor Noah was on a roll with this one!
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- All_on_Red
  
  But but but, the news about the wiretapping was in the NYT (20 Jan 2017).
  And the Guardian. Amongst others.
  Trump reads the NYT as do lots of people.
  You mean, gosh, shock, horror, the Press has LIED!
  That’s terrible. Trump will devastated that the NYT prints #fake news.
  Who knew?
  
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  March 8, 2017 7:08pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    All_on_red,
    
    I don’t think you understand the wiretapping allegation or what was reported. This article from the NY Times might help you:
    
    Fact-Checking Trump’s Defenses of His Wiretapping Claim
    
    The White House forwarded The New York Times several articles about investigations into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia that include the word “wiretapping.” None contend, as Mr. Trump did, that Mr. Obama personally ordered the surveillance of Trump Tower phones.
    
    The BBC reported, based on anonymous sources, that intelligence agencies obtained a FISA warrant in October 2016 to intercept electronic records from two Russian banks. HeatStreet, a libertarian-leaning blog, also cited unnamed sources claiming that the warrant covered a computer server at Trump Tower. Neither claimed Mr. Obama was responsible.
    
    The White House also cited two Times articles, one about the National Security Agency’s expanded authority to share its data and the other on the continuing investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russian officials. Neither article claimed that Mr. Trump or his associates were the target of wiretapping.
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:51pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      NYT tries to back track.
      https://americanlookout.com/jpb-ny-times-confirmed-months-ago-wiretapped-communications-trump-campaign-existed/
      
      The 20 Jan article
      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/flashback-ny-times-front-page-headline-wiretapped-data-used-inquiry-trump-aides/
      
      Found that evidence of collusion between Trump and Putin yet?
      Keep looking, hahahahaha
      
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      March 8, 2017 9:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Edit- I have pointed out several times in the last week that the President doesn’t have the authority to order surveillance and have listed the process how it happens.
        I’m not defending Trump at all, well, apart from perhaps him relying on Newspaper reports.
        
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        March 8, 2017 9:10pm
- Andrei
  
  You can smell the panic from the US Elites as their lies and distortions unravel
  
  For months the papers have been publishing “leaks” from security agents to discredit Trump and his team based on wiretaps
  
  And now they have been called on it!
  
  These stupid people are destroying their republic
  
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  March 8, 2017 7:16pm
SGA

Nice to see some variety in the advertising on this site. Instead of Asian and Russian girlfriends, you can now contact “Hot Latin Beauties”.
So… to all of you who thought studying a “dead language” at high school for three years was a waste of time, who’s laughing now!!! 🙂
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March 8, 2017 7:04pm
nasska

I think she’s playing hard to get Johnboy! 🙂
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March 8, 2017 7:04pm
- Johnboy
  
  It’s the pure white Polish skin with just the odd little freckle and a faint suggestion of downy hair that gets to me nasska! 🙂
  
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  March 8, 2017 7:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    JB
    When Russia invades Poland and Trump puts up his chain of Hotels, maybe she will relent if you promise to take her
    Sarc
    
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    March 8, 2017 7:17pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Lost me there old chap….I’m only here for the sex you know. 🙂
      
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      March 8, 2017 7:21pm
  - Manolo
    
    How wrong I was! I always thought it was the big pile of wool and the smell of lanoline that motivated you, Johnboy.
    
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    March 8, 2017 8:42pm
ex-golfer

So on International Day of the Woman the case for funding womens sanitary pads has been raised again.

If thats the case will they also consider funding mens razor blades? I doubt it.

There are certain costs related to gender – if you can’t arrange your affairs to meet them, then I suggest those type of people have a very bleak future.
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March 8, 2017 7:26pm
- nasska
  
  It is only fair that stephieboy gets his tissues subsidised too. 🙂
  
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  March 8, 2017 7:47pm
  - Johnboy
    
    Its bloody hard to get a response tonight nasska….good luck with your canard! 🙂
    
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    March 8, 2017 7:50pm
Johnboy

Really downy hair doesn’t need razor blades! 🙂
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March 8, 2017 7:29pm
Captain Mainwaring

I wish Morrissey, the mad waterwoman and the incompetent poet would come back, GD is getting really boring.
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March 8, 2017 8:11pm
- stigie
  
  Starboard does pop in from time to time to commentate on the Murri and then there’s Stiffy of course !~
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:25pm
- Manolo
  
  What? Isn’t stephieboy entertaining enough?
  
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  March 8, 2017 8:39pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    I think you know the answer to that, old chap.
    
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    March 8, 2017 9:03pm
sam green

Where’s dad4homos when you need him?
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March 8, 2017 9:24pm
Manolo

It will be highly entertaining:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-03-08/french-insurgents-thrust-establishment-aside-in-crucial-election
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