General Debate 6 March 2017

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oldpark

Was great to hear our Prime Minister Bill English,hand the also ran guy called Hosking,from the fake news outlet NewstalkZB ,his arse on a plate,-again. Hosking has been badly affected,by his employer,NZ Heralds,control of the once was a real radio station. The same message is portrayed daily in their print outlet. Maybe Hosking should do something useful for once,like resign.
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March 6, 2017 8:07am
- pdm
  
  Bit tough on Hosking – would you prefer Campbell in his spot?
  
  God forbid.
  
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  March 6, 2017 8:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Crumble!? Are you drunk this early in the day?
    
    Go and wash your keyboard with soap immediately for typing such an improper thought.
    
    The man has managed to fuck every listening experience that I may have enjoyed, why give the liberal condescending, patronising, arsewipe left-tard an opportunity of another!
    
    Kimbo’s law be stuffed!
    
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    March 6, 2017 8:48am
    - VicParking
      
      Down tick by mistake
      Big fingers only good for giving them to the left.
      
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      March 6, 2017 9:17am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        An honest and recognisable mistake; at least it was not Kimbo being grumpy for abuse of fore mentioned adjective law
        
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        March 6, 2017 9:35am
    - Kimbo
      
      …the liberal condescending, patronising, arsewipe left-tard…Kimbo’s law be stuffed!
      
      Noooooo!!!
      
      Kimbo’s law is not aimed against adjectives (qualifiers of nouns) such as those I’ve italicised in your post, but the unnecessary and excessive use of adverbs (qualifiers of verbs), e.g.,
      
      “It is (verb) obviously (adverb) and certainly (adverb) true that Mike Hosking exposed Bill English’s weaknesses”.
      
      If Hosking did expose English, then the reader should be able to ascertain that fact without the writer using rhetorical shills like those adverbs to try and cover for the fact it is anything but “certain” and “obvious”. Hence Kimbo’s law: “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs”
      
      But, yet again, I thank you for another opportunity to hijack a thread and contribute to my desperate and pathetic scheme to turn Kimbo’s law (TM) into a meme.
      
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      March 6, 2017 10:58am
- oldpark
  
  Finally by now,it has finally seeped into Mr Hosking’s head,that Bill English is no pushover,as Hosking was depicting just a few short weeks ago,thinking he could bully our Prime Minister into submission,with his nasty arrogant misleading questions.
  
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  March 6, 2017 8:23am
  - Nigel Kearney
    
    Why shouldn’t people expect a straight answer? Superannuation is difficult because the age has to be raised but most voters want it to stay at 65 because they can’t add numbers up and the media can’t either or refuse to do it.
    
    Key didn’t mind because he was there for a good time not a long time. But English is the guy who says he doesn’t shy away from hard questions. I get the impression he wants to spend the next six months shying away from this one.
    
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    March 6, 2017 11:19am
- oldpark
  
  He didnt like the truth ,so kept digging a hole on the Liebour Party Channel TVNZ.
  
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  March 6, 2017 7:12pm
kowtow

Another Malmo shooting.
“Police later confirmed to Sydsvenskan that the first victim of the shooting was found in the car and it was this individual that later died of his injuries. The newspaper reports that the car is registered to “a known criminal”.’

“Known criminal” code for immigrant gangster?

http://www.thelocal.se/20170305/man-shot-dead-in-car-in-malm
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March 6, 2017 8:10am
- cmm
  
  stephie’s late this morning so I will help out:
  
  Fake news! Proof! LOL!
  
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  March 6, 2017 8:18am
  - kowtow
    
    Fake news ,hahahahaha. The media lie that that is a “right wing” trick, when it fact it’s the MSM and so called centrist or mainstream pollies engaging in it.
    
    “Sweden’s Integration Minister Ylva Johansson has done a U-turn after she told the BBC that the number of reports of sex crimes in Sweden was dropping.”
    
    http://www.thelocal.se/20170304/fake-news-minister-does-u-turn-on-comments-about-swedens-sex-crimes
    
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    March 6, 2017 8:24am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      and here’s an analysis of Sweden’s 2016 crime stats.
      
      http://www.thelocal.se/20170112/swedens-2016-crime-stats-analyzed
      
      oh dear, looks like reports of sexual molestation are up 20% on 2015.
      
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      March 6, 2017 10:26am
      - kowtow
        
        Thing is that rape is up 55 % over ten years , according to this story “Seen over a ten-year period, the number of reported rapes has gone up from 4,208 in 2006, partly because of legislative changes in the previous year and in 2013 broadening the definition” Note “Partly because” , but they don’t talk about the rest of the causes ……more alt facts ,fake news or a simple deliberate refusal to address the real causes ?
        
        http://www.thelocal.se/20170304/fake-news-minister-does-u-turn-on-comments-about-swedens-sex-crimes
        
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        March 6, 2017 12:27pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff,
        
        “How Anti-Immigration Activists Misuse Rape Statistics”
        
        “….Primer: how does crime statistics work?
        
        Before we look at the data, here is a short primer on what crime statistics is and different ways to measure crime. This is crucial, since a lot of arguments that commonly occur in mainstream, alternative and social media are based on confusing these different measurements.
        
        When looking at crime statistics, there are two main sources of information:
        
        (1) Data from reported crimes: these kinds of datasets provide information about how many crimes of a certain type was reported to the police during a certain time period (such as a calendar year).
        
        (2) Data from crime victim surveys: these datasets come from surveys sent out to many thousands of people who ask them if they have been the victim of particular crimes during e. g. the past 12 months.
        
        These may look similar, but they are in fact completely different and answer very different questions.
        
        Reported crime rates are influenced by the real crime rates, propensity for reporting, trust in the criminal justice system, victim stigma, crime definitions and registration methods. This is a measurement of how many reports of a certain crime that comes in to the police, and thus a measure of the police investigation load.
        
        Crime victim surveys, on the other hand, attempt to measure how many individuals are the victim of a certain crime during each time period i.e. the actual crime rates. Since these are anonymous, is not done by the police and uses the same crime definitions over the years, it is not influenced by the confounders that reported crime rates are.
        
        To make it crystal clear: reported crime rates is not the same as actual crime rates and changes in one does not need to be reflected in the other. In fact, they do not even have to correlate. This is because not all crime reports are true and not all crimes get reported to the police.
        
        If you want information about actual rates, you have to look at crime victim surveys.
        
        The Swedish Crime Survey show that sex crime incidence is unchanged since 2005….”
        
        https://debunkingdenialism.com/2015/12/12/how-anti-immigration-activists-misuse-rape-statistics/
        
        Also it is not unreasoable to expect a similar upsurge in rape and crime amongst our local Muslim immigrants and refugees .
        
        Why do you think that this does not appear to be the case ?
        
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        March 6, 2017 12:36pm
  - nasska
    
    Fake news! Proof! Poly wants a cracker! Alt right! Squawk! 🙂
    
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    March 6, 2017 8:30am
    - Scott
      
      Katie Hopkins in the Daily Mail went to Sweden and was able to talk to this police officer Peter Springare. He is one of the few who will go on record about what is really happening in Sweden –
      
      ‘Here we go; this is what I’ve handled from Monday to Friday this week: rape, rape, robbery, aggravated assault, rape-assault and rape….violence against the police, threats to police, drug crime, felony, attempted murder, rape again.
      ‘Suspected perpetrators; Ali Mohammed, Mahmod, Mohammed, Mohammed Ali, Muhammad, again, again, again. Countries representing all the crimes this week; Iraq, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia…”
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4276942/Swedish-town-migrants-laugh-laws-despise.html
      
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      March 6, 2017 10:20am
      - stephieboy
        
        Scott , the same kind of behaviour seen in the UK , Australia or here at home ?
        
        It all comes down to mainly two anti immigrant tabloids elocal and the Daily Mail.
        
        Unsurprisingly the Daily Mail had a similar attitude towards German Jewish refugees coming to the UK in the 1930s.
        
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        March 6, 2017 12:41pm
      - Scott
        
        That’s right stephieboy- the police officer who is on the ground in Sweden actually dealing with immigrant criminals is obviously ignorant and only you stephieboy in Mount Roskill New Zealand know the true situation of what is happening in Sweden.
        
        Point taken 🙂
        
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        March 6, 2017 3:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Scott . I think the Swedish government analysing and compiling crime statsitics etc would have a better handle on things than a cop ,
        
        http://www.government.se/articles/2017/02/facts-about-migration-and-crime-in-sweden/
        
        BTW I dont live in Mt Roskill that you seem to know a great deal about .
        
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        March 6, 2017 3:36pm
Manolo

An entertaining, easy read for Kimbo: “The Quantum Zoo” by Marcus Chown.
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March 6, 2017 8:10am
- stephieboy
  
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  Manolo, provide us with an anlayis with summary points that shows us your grasp and conprehension of quantum theory or whatever .
  
  After all you’ve displayed an erudite knowledge and understanding of about every imaginable Clinton and Obama conspiracy theory out there in the cosmos.
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:02am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Manolo may be busy in the shoe shop, so until he trots along… start with this:
    
    E =hv
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:35am
  - reid3
    
    Boy those Russian wurzenflugels are really making a huge difference aren’t they stephie. Are you going to write a thank you note to Vlad or do you have to pretend you bought American lest Trump scatters DARPA to the four winds?
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:21am
  - Manolo
    
    We could discuss quantum theory next to a good bottle of Balvenie 16yo malt, and exchange views on the Standard Model and sub-atomic particles any time, any day you want, but I’m afraid it could damage your brain (if such thing is possible.)
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, nice piece of yopur erudite gobbledygook . Keep it up.
      
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      March 6, 2017 12:44pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy,
        
        Manolo is naughty, isn’t he?…. jumping ahead of the story… expecting you to dive straight into quark soup..
        
        Try these 4 videos….
        http://www.vega.org.uk/video/subseries/8
        
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        March 6, 2017 2:07pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      Huh, he got stuck at “We”. Good thing you didn’t mention String Theory. Now that’s a bit of a brain bender and makes quarks and mesons quite elementary…. Don’t bother arguing with our resident troll. Not familiar with Balvenie but quite like a good Glenkinchie 12yo.
      
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      March 6, 2017 8:20pm
- dime
  
  youre making me feel bad. ive never been a science/ maths guy.
  
  i should probably get up to speed at some point. cant be too hard getting to 7th form level
  
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  March 6, 2017 1:42pm
Happychappy

The story that the text that was sent to the media instead of Labour MPs that wanted them to clean up their act and remove any damaging photos or backstabbing of former leaders policy was due to their Leaders jealousy. Apparently Andrews rug Portrait has been knocked off the top rating by people talking about Iain Lees Galloway and his package so it was a hint to make sure his zip is kept pulled up at all times when in the public eye. For me and maybe a few others I never thought that any thing could beat Iain Lees Galloway’ ego or his big mouth but it seems the Ladies think so.
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March 6, 2017 8:17am
- MCos
  
  “people talking about Iain Lees Galloway and his package”
  You mean there’s someone else besides you?
  
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  March 6, 2017 8:22am
  - Happychappy
    
    Oh is one of your favourites or is it not only ladies that think so.
    
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    March 6, 2017 8:29am
    - SGA
      
      Perhaps not – I’m not sure why you think the size of other men’s “package” is so important as well.
      
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      March 6, 2017 8:46am
      - Happychappy
        
        Maybe as the rumour goes he should stop trying to have flings with Sten’ographist’s connected to job then.
        
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        March 6, 2017 9:51am
      - SGA
        
        Not sure why that makes you so interested in the size of his package…
        Anyhow, sounds like you don’t like this guy and you are indulging in some muckraking. Whatever.
        
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        March 6, 2017 10:58am
- ztev
  
  Forget History this is today
  
  English is deleting his own tweets
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/03/pm-bill-english-denies-seeing-a-tweet-sent-from-his-own-account.html
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:54am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Thats right, Bill, like The Don, sends his own tweets.
    
    Im fairly certain Bill wouldn’t know a twit from a tweet; unless you showed up of course ztev.
    
    But yes, conspiracy, Deleter Bill, argh the humanity!!
    
    Is that really all you’ve got???
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:38am
    - ztev
      
      Do tell me what was so terrible as saying :
      We are not here to shy away from the hard issues
      
      Bill used to say ‘I know nothing about that’ when asked about Keys more absurd statements, now hes saying that about his own more reasonable statements.
      
      If he doesnt know what he is saying on Twitter then he shouldnt be on Twitter
      
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      March 6, 2017 11:38am
kowtow

Oh dear if that’s his greatest achievement we’re in trouble. Most people I talk to consider it a disaster.

Michael Woodhouse.

“Biggest achievement: Overseeing Health and Safety at Work Act, a shake-up of workplace safety.”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-mps-tipped-health-roles
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March 6, 2017 8:20am
Simon

Is anyone surprised that the Magic Negro was using Federal agencies to spy on a political opponent during an election?

Had Clinton won then all this would have been buried. Zero, the little bitch, was all in with Clinton. The pay off would have been huge. Dem leadership little more than an criminal organisation.
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March 6, 2017 8:34am
- fernglas
  
  I know it sounds a bit tired, but where is the evidence that what Trump said is true? And don’t tell me it’s in Breitbart, because even Breitbart doesn’t say that it was Obama who got a warrant.
  
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  March 6, 2017 8:52am
  - MCos
    
    Haven’t you noticed that Trump supporters take his word as gospel?
    
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    March 6, 2017 8:59am
    - stephieboy
      
      Well Trump is a religion after all .Isn;t it ?
      
      LOL
      
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      March 6, 2017 9:05am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Unlike the Clinton supporters being the cornerstone of those supportive and respectful of the democratic processes
        
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        March 6, 2017 9:42am
      - Rich Prick
        
        Do you type with your forehead? Just wondering.
        
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        March 6, 2017 9:49am
    - Pateke
      
      So do several bloggers on KB!
      
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      March 6, 2017 9:07am
      - Happychappy
        
        We are here to have a laugh and talk some politics Surely those of us that make mistakes in our stories deserve some slack seeing we are not Journalists. Being dumb at English did not stop me managing several businesses around NZ.
        
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        March 6, 2017 10:00am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        No Happy, I enjoy your version of malapropisms
        
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        March 6, 2017 10:29am
  - Griff
    
    Don’t look at Sessions – don’t look at the Russian connection – look over here at this big conspiracy my guys “discovered” i.e. made up.
    Best defense is attack.
    They dont care if it is true or not.
    They just care that they have conditioned tens of thousands of supporters who will believe anything they say.
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:19am
  - cmm
    
    I very much doubt there would have been a warrant.
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:21am
    - Milhous
      
      Obama sneak inside there himself , wearing a FedEx jumpsuit???? was Michelle guarding the door?
      
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      March 6, 2017 9:41am
      - stephieboy
        
        Milhous , scenario for another Tom Clancy or Lee Childs comedy blockbuster ?
        
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        March 6, 2017 9:55am
  - Ross12
    
    Fernglas ,if you believe something like that would take place without Obama knowing –well you know the saying about a bridge.
    The warrant would formally be requested by the AG as the law requires.
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:32am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ross12 , all is needed is actual proof that the former President actually ordered the wire tap .
      
      This is simply a desperate deflection by Trump to take the heat off Jeff Sessions and himself which if proven correct will lead to the resignation of the former and impeachment of the later .
      
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      March 6, 2017 9:39am
      - Ross12
        
        Keep up with the news stephieboy.
        
        There was a Democrat Party strategist on TV yesterday saying ” These are the facts ……”
        There was an investigation started in the spring (USA time) of 2015 looking at Trump and his associates with regard to connections to Russia. Then there were the FSIA requests in 2016 ( first one declined) –another separate investigation.
        Obviously nothing was found in either investigation because if there was, it would have been in huge headlines in the WoPost and the NYT well before now.
        
        That is the problem for your clan –despite numerous investigations into Trump and the supposed Russian involvement in the USA election by numerous agencies ,NO EVIDENCE has been found. The simple reason is –there is nothing to find.
        
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        March 6, 2017 9:57am
    - fernglas
      
      Sadly, Trump is not saying that Obama knew that the FBI was obtaining a warrant, but that he tapped his phones, in other words directed the whole thing. There’s a big difference, although I accept that Trump’s limited command of the English language and appalling ignorance of how his country works could have led him into error
      
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      March 6, 2017 10:20am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Well, Obama has denied it, thus it is almost certainly true. Every word Obama utters is a lie or at least a calculated untruth.
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ed Snack , of course every word Trump uttered is holy writ ?
      
      Revival of Birther etc fantasies
      
      LOL
      
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      March 6, 2017 9:56am
      - reid3
        
        Careful stephie. The left inner wurzenflugals started discombobbulation.
        
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        March 6, 2017 10:27am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Actually, an Obama spokesman has categorically denied just one thing, that Obama *personally* ordered and directed the wiretapping. Which of course is denying nothing because of course the flunkies would handle the details.
        
        It is confirmed BTW that applications were made to the appropriate courts for surveillance, and that the initial ones were in fact turned down. Of something over 35,000 applications, only 12 have been turned down, and this incident appears to account for one or 2 of them.
        
        Curioser and curiouser.
        
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        March 6, 2017 11:40am
    - Lance
      
      WTF???
      
      Stunning logic
      
      This is a parody right?
      
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      March 6, 2017 10:03am
  - Lance
    
    You want the chosen one.. the Don to offer proof???
    You pinko homo fag muslim communist bastard
    The enlightened one is above facts, he speaks (well twitters) and it is so.
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:01am
  - Paulus
    
    Congress have been asked to investigate by Trump.
    The allegation s are not new only slowly coming out now.
    There will be other allegations to explore re Obama’s money.
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:14pm
- kowtow
  
  Not surprised.
  
  From KIA .
  
  “Early in Obama’s second term it was revealed that the Internal Revenue Service (the IRS – the US equivalent of the IRD) had deliberately targeted right wing advocacy groups for special attention when applications were made for charitable tax exempt status. Specific provisions of the tax code allow advocacy groups with not-for-profit trading activity to solicit tax free donations under certain conditions. Liberal groups applying were subject to normal scrutiny and receive authorsations within the usual time frame. Conservative groups (specifically those associated with the so-called Tea Party movement) were subject to petty time wasting delays, excessively intrusive questioning, endless requests for additional paperwork and key, high profile conservative groups were subject to random audits. This targeting was done in the latter part of Obama’s first term creating the impression that Democrats were trying to silence conservative opposition in the run up to Obama’s 2012 re-election.
  
  When this illegal activity was uncovered, the IRS maintained at first it was a rogue operation initiated from a regional office only in Ohio. When it panned out to be a head office (and higher) request, the key senior manager at the IRS responsible for administering and driving the policy (Lois Lerner) refused to answer questions put by Congressional investigators by pleading the 5th Amendment (the right to not incriminate one’s self in court), reinforcing conservative views that she has something serious to hide. Congressional investigators subpoenaed her email records and were met with lengthy and elaborate stonewalling with excuses like her hard drive and cell phone emails had been destroyed. It became clear that the Administration was trying to hide the involvement of the White House because it exercised what is called Executive Privilege over almost all communications with the IRS over this matter. Frustrated at the lies and obfuscation by the IRS Commissioner John Koskinan, some Congressional Republicans called for his impeachment. It was a scandal that the MSM were relatively uninterested in covering.”
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:11am
  - stephieboy
    
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    kowtow, source ? The usual like Breitbart , Infowars , Fox , NYP etc ?
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:19am
- RF
  
  Simon…………Now that you mention Clinton she has been down graded to cattle class when flying. No more private jets. Life is a bitch. I hear some of the corporates who donated to the Clinton slush fund to ensure “favours” when she became madam president, are now wanting their money back. Sorry folks… it’s all gone without a paper trail.
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:14am
  - Paulus
    
    Hear that some want their money back from Clinton as they had promises which cannot be kept.
    Big money.
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:19pm
Captain Mainwaring

So Children’s Commissioner Andrew Becroft is in favour of 16 year olds having the vote.
What planet is this idiot on? Clearly the one where voters need to be influenced by their lefty unionised schoolteachers.
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March 6, 2017 8:48am
- krazykiwi
  
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  At 16 one can legally drive, marry, have sex. So why not vote? Dealing with lefty unionised schoolteachers would be preferable to limiting democratic participation.
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:00am
  - Inandout
    
    Make it 14, the age criminal charges can be brought before the Youth Court. No wait, lower that to 10 years, as in the UK.
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:07am
  - kowtow
    
    That’s a throw back to the days when many a proletarian lad left school and started work and earning. With the advent of the motor car he needed a licence to drive to get to work.
    
    Back then he wouldn’t have had a vote with the property franchise and a good thing too!
    
    Universalism has destroyed responsible government. Today it’s a lolly scramble with an appeal to the lowest common denominator . Scoff , scoff.
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  17 years is the age at which you can join the NZ Defence force.
  
  If we consider children/youth of this age fit to serve our country, then they should have the right to vote.
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:22am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I think the 17 yo’s are cadets or something similar and do not get anywhere the pointy end until aged 18 and certainly do not go abroad unless the SI is abroad
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:49am
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    You may ENLIST at 17 years and 6 months, but you cannot be sent overseas until you have reached the age of 18.
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:09pm
- rangitoto
  
  The current voting age is too young. It should be increased to at least 21 and preferably 30.
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:49am
- Southern Raider
  
  I’m in favour of 16 year olds voting if they also have a job and pay tax.
  
  Until you have responsibilities and see the cost of the decisions government makes on your own cash flow you can’t make informed judgements
  
  We can’t have kids living at home on pocket money voting based on feel good snowflake Facebook group think
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:57am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’m not sure I would entrust a ballot paper to some one who can’t wear a cap around the right way, nor his trousers above his arse.
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:21am
Monique Watson

What’s wrong with drinking this early in the day? Sheesh Paulus! It’s not like it’s a bad thing, right?
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March 6, 2017 9:00am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Absolutely! The sun is over the yard arm somewhere for sure, however, invoking Campbell is a step too far and I would like to think that someone was pissed rather than suggest the solution could be the Campbell, even in jest
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:53am
  - Biscuit
    
    If the solution is Campbell then, forgive my French, it must have been a f*cking daft question!
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:16am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The same question as when Jacinda was the answer I believe.
      
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      March 6, 2017 10:33am
iMP

DID OBAMA BUG TRUMP DURING THE ELECTION?
This is an absolute hot political potato and on a par with Watergate if true; it is a felony; a prison term of five years could follow
1 Trump accuses the Obama regime of bugging Trump Towers in October during the tight election home stretch; he Tweeted “Just Found Out that~”
2 He seems adamant and it is unlikely he just made this up
3 We know the Obama regime appllied to wire tap Trump in June last year but were declined for lack of any probable cause
4 There was a later request and perhaps a wire tap
5 The justification was rumours of Russian collusion with Trump to affect the election process
6 No evidence has ever emerged that this was true and the aplication was declined in June by a secret court
7 AG Sessions has recused himself of investigating that after it transpired he had talked to the Russian Ambassador having told Congress he had not discussed the election campaign with the Russians
8 The same Ambassador visited the Obama WHouse 22 times
9 Republicans have released numerous photos of senior Democrats with the same Ambassador the very people accusing Sessions of “collusion”; one of Trump’s chief accusers is even shown eating donuts with the Russian Ambassador
10 Obama’s denial released in a stetemnt yesterday is weaselly fixating on the White House but not mentioning the FBI or CIA
11 It would be the FBI who would enact a wire tap
12 Some suggest Obama is hiding behind this semantic technicality but there is no Q he would have known and been briefed
13 There is no Q there have been leaks from Intelligence sources against Trump made most likely by Obama supporters still in place – and the Intelligence community is lamenting this partisan-ness amongst colleagues (whether pro Obama or pro Trump)
14 Obama just hours before leaving passed a very odd Exec Order allowing 16 Federal Agencies to cross share all their information
15 Some suggest this was an attempt to leave carnage for Trump
16 Trump-haters are fixating on that he Tweeted the news and that he has “provided no evidence” which is rather premature on a Sunday in America
17 Remember that the Obama regime used the IRS nefariously and Federal resources were used to oppress Tea Party supporters and other Conservative voters
18 Obama has only denied “ordering” a tap – but that would be a flunkey not POTUS himself
This really is a shocking story and whatever is true it is a very big political story: Trump is an idiot and believes anything OR Obama was as bad as Nixon and spied on his political opponent using the tools of government
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March 6, 2017 9:07am
- Inandout
  
  The Dark Destroyer surely wouldn’t stoop to that level to help Hillary get elected, and keep the swamp brimming. On second thoughts….
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:12am
  - Paulus
    
    What is more is that the Obama’s could not stand the Clinton mafia on a personal base.
    Obama now trying to make the selection for the next Democratic candidate.
    He has huge financial support already.
    Questions will be asked soon where the money has come from.
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  iMP , which conspiracy site did you source this from ?
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:30am
- Lucia Maria
  
  OMG, iMP,
  
  Don’t tell me you believe this as well???
  
  Personally, I think Trump is an idiot, and he’s picked this story up from one of the conservative nutjob sites. Conservative sites really ought to know better, but too many seem to have drunk the coolaid.
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:12am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Lucia, it is confirmed that applications were made to the appropriate courts, and turned down initially. It is further alleged that a final application was made that was granted and that snooping was done. Documentation (always sparse in these FISA activities and classified as well) is being sought.
    
    Personally, I would wait and see what transpires. There was at least an attempt to eavesdrop and the Trump campaign.
    
    One thing, what are the Russians supposed to have done ? The only thing I can find that they are alleged to have done is to have hacked the eMails of the DNC and Podesta and released materials thus discovered through a third party, primarily Wikileaks. None of the material released was manufactured, all that was released is universally acknowledged to be actual emails by those concerned. Given the nature of the material released, it was almost a public spirited act wasn’t it.
    
    There’s no evidence whatsoever that the Russians in anyway interfered with the actual vote, with voting machines, or even hacked any Voter registration or voter related websites. In fact the only credible confirmed evidence of hacking of any of that is the the Obama controlled Homeland Security people DID hack into at least one State’s database with so far unspecified results.
    
    If all it took to have the Russians interfere with the election was to release to the public verification of what the Democrat party and it’s movers and shakers actually thought of the public, then in general we’re lucky to have the Russians around to do this, as the MSM ain’t going to squeal on their masters are they ?
    
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    March 6, 2017 11:51am
- Lance
  
  So who here actually thinks Trump will come up with the proof????
  
  Seriously now?
  
  There will just be a whole lot of name calling, rants blaa blaa.. oh look over there a squirrel.
  
  This crap from Trump has to stop
  
  Every time he starts doing something worthwhile policy wise, he launches some idiotic twitter rant and ruins the impact.
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:13am
  - JasonJohns
    
    Trump has been right about everything else and he will be right over this too. Obama is going to jail…bigtime. He might even face the death penalty for treason. And the traitor McCain, who has plenty of experience of incarceration, is also going to jail.
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:14am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      And so speaks one the troll clones of realityczech.
      
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      March 6, 2017 10:32am
    - Lance
      
      Bloody hell JasonJohns !!!
      Are you a typical Trump supporter?
      
      The power of paranoid delusion is strong in this one
      
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      March 6, 2017 11:43am
- fernglas
  
  Your analysis fails at point 2; “It is unlikely that he just made it up”.
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:23am
- MCos
  
  With reference to your point #16 “he has “provided no evidence” which is rather premature on a Sunday in America”
  That cuts both ways.
  If he can’t provide the evidence because it’s Sunday, what did he base his allegations on?
  This is the nub of the matter & is typical Trump going back to the birther fiasco and includes America’s murder rate, the inauguration crowd numbers, etc
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:46am
  - Nev.
    
    All slide issues. While he is doing this you honestly don’t think he is getting on with his real job? This keeps the MSM perpetually outraged, giving them screeds of copy all the while ignoring what he is really doing.
    
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    March 6, 2017 11:01am
EAD

Here is the Strandeds take on the European group “controversy” at Auckland Univeristy:

https://thestandard.org.nz/there-are-no-fascists-in-new-zealand/

The author comes across as twisted and bitter throughout with a massive chip on his shoulder. This part of cultural relativism in particular jumped out:

As to whether it’s appropriate to celebrate European culture, of course it is, with the caveat that it has to be legitimately about the culture of all of europe, not just the white parts. (Most white nationalists are interested chiefly in British, Germanic, or Russian cultures. If they branch out into Iberian culture, France, and eastern europe as well, that’s a good sign)

This rabid “all cultures are equal” nonsense and absolute determination to belittle the incredible achievements of the British, German and Russian peoples reminded me of President John F Kennedys quote:

The towns are all charming which shows that the Nordic races appear to be definitely superior to their Latin counterparts. The Germans are really too good – that’s why people conspire against them – they do it to protect themselves.”

I cab bet you the author is the type of person who think a bunch on half clothed men in flax skirts jumping up and down slapping their thighs and sticking their tongues out is equivalent to Beethovens 5th symphony, Tchaikovsky Violin Concerto or Shakespeare’s Hamlet.
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March 6, 2017 9:10am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , a little supect that quote by JFK . Both source and context ?
  
  This seems to me a morning where posters put up c’s and ps , especially about Obama wire tapping allegations ,without linking them.
  
  Why ?
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:33am
  - EAD
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/world-history/a-berliner-in-1963-but-did-former-us-president-john-f-kennedy-once-admire-adolf-hitler-8629991.html
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:43am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, you may of missed this point from your link ,
      
      “…Oliver Ulbrich, the publisher of the diary excerpts, said he did not believe Kennedy admired Hitler, but was rather fascinated by him. “Kennedy was trying to understand the fascination that was still surrounding Hitler,” he said.
      
      But by 1945, Kennedy was clearly put off by the defeated Germans and their total acceptance of authority. “It shows just how easy it would be to seize power in Germany,” he wrote after a 1945 visit to a U-boat building yard.”
      
      Context is all important including the fact his father was avid admirer of Hilter ‘ But I don’t think his adimiration extended to his embracing Racial ideology and Hitler like you. As as his later politcal life and presidency attests .
      
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      March 6, 2017 9:51am
      - cha
        
        Context is all important
        
        Yet here you are, persisting with your dishonest intent to distort the context by citing a selectively edited version.
        
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        March 6, 2017 10:00am
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Steph:
        
        “EAD, you may of missed”
        
        may of ??
        
        WTF???
        
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        March 6, 2017 11:28am
      - Paulus
        
        Kennedy Senior as US Ambassador in London early in the war, and before, was a nasty piece of work to the Europeans against Hitler.
        
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        March 6, 2017 1:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Can’t you do your own checking, stephieboy?
    
    It’s not difficult.
    I have been able to locate the sources of your misquotes within a couple of seconds.
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:39am
- Longknives
  
  I remember arguing with a rabid Leftist who was sneering that “The British don’t have any Culture”..
  When I kept pointing out that there is more to ‘Culture’ than bloody Hakas she just sneered “What? Morris Dancing?”
  There is just no reasoning with such people..
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:50am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Pauline Hanson tells us that Australia needs a Putin like leader .

Presumably she fancies herself in this role. What reconquer West Papua New Guinea and maybe re annex New Zealand ( Crimea ) ? Invade Indonesia ?

Bump of pesky political rivals ?

What next ?

Silly old moo !
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March 6, 2017 9:11am
- Inandout
  
  Silly boy, how was this morning’s head bang? Do you have your tablet lying on the floor and open to pictures of honey pots, as you nod?
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , you must of missed my main point that Pauline is a “silly old moo .”
    
    There fixed for yer !
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:44am
    - chuk
      
      You “must of” missed your English classes at school last week.
      
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      March 6, 2017 12:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He has had frequent reminders here… not working.
        
        We will see how the lessons in QED theory go.
        
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        March 6, 2017 2:12pm
NK

Questions for the day.

Were Donald Trump and former North Shore City mayor, Andrew Williams, separated at birth?

Has Donald Trump stopped beating his wife?
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March 6, 2017 9:37am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Does the Don piss on trees in public on the way home after ratepayers (or whatever they have there) have bought him dinner?
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:01am
  - NK
    
    Unsure, but he uses social media like The COCB.
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:12am
Hugh Pavletich

(Australian) Treasurer Scott Morrison helping Australians buying homes | Daily Mail Online

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4283558/Treasurer-Scott-Morrison-helping-Australians-buying-homes.html

• Housing affordability is set to take center stage in the Federal Budget in May

• Treasurer Scott Morrison hopes to help Australians struggling buy a home

• He said there would be a focus in the budget on spending for critical services

• The Treasurer said Labor was working against the national interest of Australia

Woman with $200,000 in savings can’t buy Sydney home | Daily Mail Online

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4258658/Woman-200-000-savings-t-buy-Sydney-home.html

Sydney’s housing market second most expensive in the world | Daily Mail Online

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4149942/Sydney-s-housing-market-second-expensive-world.html

• Incoming NSW premier said solving housing affordability crisis is a top priority

• A new study found that Sydney’s housing market is the world’s second-priciest

• Only Hong Kong beat Sydney in the ranking of least affordable housing markets

• Sydney’s ‘lunatic’ housing bubble is bound to burst, a co-author of the study said

• He advised families to keep renting and not commit to ‘artificial bubble prices’
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March 6, 2017 9:42am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  HIA peaks over the dwelling construction cliff – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/hia-peaks-dwelling-construction-cliff/
  
  Brace for hard landing as dwelling approvals unwind – MacroBusiness Australia
  … behind paywall …
  
  http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/brace-hard-landing-dwelling-approvals-unwind/
  
  Since peaking in March 2015, dwelling approvals nationally have fallen by 18% in trend terms. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  BIG QUESTION …
  
  Will Australian politicians at Federal and States level stand back and allow the residential construction sector to collapse … or … will they sort out the bond financing of infrastructure (refer bottom left column Texas MUDs info access … http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org ) to allow increasingly affordable new (real need) detached housing to be built ?
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:53am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Scroll scroll scroll the mouse gently down the page
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:03am
  - wiseowl
    
    I note Hugh all the interest in Oamaroo.
    
    Stupid situation where we have the world buying up our country.There is no way a kiwi can compete with offshore masses falling over themselves to get part of something they have had no hand in creating.
    Radio station boasting at present that they have representatives in thirteen countries.
    Sheer stupidity.
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:28am
    - wiseowl
      
      oops.
      Radio station with advertisement by Real Estate company on about their reach into other countries.
      
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      March 6, 2017 10:42am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Good discussion on housing issues on Kiwiblog General Debate yesterday …
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_05_march_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1884938
        
        Today’s posts of mine at MacroBusiness Links today as well ..
        
        http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/links-6-march-2017/#comment-2823707
        
        Wiseowl … I have no doubt you are correct about those outside NZ working the system to purchase property here. I am getting alarming reports from good people in the social welfare sector on this serious issue.
        
        I suspect however that Kiwis shifting around the country is likely even more significant.
        
        Think of all those in retirement or near retirement in Auckland … with little in the way of retirement savings. The ‘incentive’ for them to off-load the current Auckland home in a 10 Median Multiple market and buy one say in a 4ish Median Multiple market (or less) is huge.
        
        Picking up at least $500,000 in cash by shifting would be extremely difficult for most of them to resist.
        
        Viking2, on the Kiwiblog General Debate thread (linked above) I thought made some most interesting comments yesterday. The Michael Reddell / Croaking Casandra article link is particularly helpful as well …
        
        Viking2
        times have changed.
        This year we will over build houses in the rest of NZ just like you have in CHCH. Last year we had 70000 PLT immigrants or approximately the need for 23000 houses. How many did we build?
        This year ?
        No wonder the banks are tightening their lending.
        You might like to think about this as well.
        https://croakingcassandra.com/2017/03/04/whats-wrong-with-auckland-and-wellington/
        Add to all this the oldies moving to retirement villages which are never accounted for. 16% of Tauranga’s population live in villages. Imagine how many villages are needed in Auckland. Then they have a resale rate of around seven years.
        every town is getting villages now as well.
        Soon we will need more immigrants to fill the houses, just like Germany
        
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        March 6, 2017 11:32am
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        … Shocking news ! …
        
        Statistics New Zealand says the trend line for the number of new homes being consented has declined by 15% in the past five months | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/property/86341/statistics-new-zealand-says-trend-line-number-new-homes-being-consented-has-declined
        
        The latest building consent figures show a disturbing trend, with growth in new residential building consents declining, according to Statistics NZ.
        
        There were 30,123 new dwellings consented in the year to January, which was up 11.1% compared to the previous 12 months, according to Statistics NZ.
        
        But in the month of January just 1752 new dwellings were consented, up just 3.4% compared to January last year. … read more via hyperlink above
        
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        March 6, 2017 12:04pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Phil Twyford of Labour responds …
        
        Building consents drop cause for concern …Twyford … Labour | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1703/S00076/building-consents-drop-cause-for-concern.htm
        
        Building consents drop cause for concern
        
        The dream of home ownership is being further undermined by the National Government’s failure to boost construction, as shown by the slowdown in building consents, says Labour’s Housing spokesperson Phil Twyford.
        
        “Despite Nick Smith’s statements that there is a ‘record building boom’, the latest building consents data from Statistics New Zealand shows a slowdown in building around the country, not just in Christchurch.
        
        “Even when the statistics are adjusted for seasonal changes, the number of dwellings consented in January was down five per cent on where it was in January last year. The number of consents is down 15 per cent from August.
        
        “The data also shows the current level of consents in Auckland is not enough to keep up with the city’s rapidly growing population. … read more via hypwerlink above …
        
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        March 6, 2017 2:09pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Anthony Healy tweets apology for Tony Alexander’s ‘inflammatory remarks’ about the housing crisis, saying inter-generational debates aren’t helpful | interest.co.nz
        
        https://www.interest.co.nz/personal-finance/86350/anthony-healy-tweets-apology-tony-alexanders-inflammatory-remarks-about
        
        BNZ’s chief executive Anthony Healy has taken to Twitter to apologise for “inflammatory” comments made by the bank’s chief economist.
        
        Tony Alexander, in last week’s version of his weekly newsletter had a dig at young people, saying they could get on the housing ladder if they made the same sacrifices the baby boomer generation did when they were younger.
        
        He suggested they “find a dunger or even a meth house to strip, and do it up”, “spend as much on lattes” and hire as many “feng shui consultants” as the boomers did, if they want to buy a house. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        March 6, 2017 2:22pm
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      Morrison’s housing affordability fix focuses on supply … AAP / InDaily
      
      http://indaily.com.au/news/2017/03/06/morrisons-housing-affordability-fix-focuses-on-supply/
      
      Scott Morrison is making housing affordability a key issue for his second budget, but one centred on supply rather than cash handouts. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      March 6, 2017 2:55pm
JasonJohns

BREAKING NEWS…THIS IS HUGE…TRUMPY HITS BACK MAGNIFICENTLY AT OBAMA…DEMANDS BIRTH CERTIFICATE…

IT’S GAME ON!
THE BIRTHER ISSUE IS ALIVE AGAIN!

Trump tweet:
Attention all hackers: You are hacking everything else so please hack Obama’s college records (destroyed?) and check “place of birth”
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March 6, 2017 10:30am
- fernglas
  
  FAKE TWEET!!!
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:37am
JasonJohns

We can be very proud that NZ’s own John Ansell has been helping to keep the birther issue alive, publicising the groundbreaking investigations of Sheriff Araipiro…now Trump has gotten back on the bither wagon. The slogan now for the pro-Trump mass of the American people is going to be…DEPORT THE BLACK MENACE
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March 6, 2017 10:35am
- Kimbo
  
  Gotta get a better standard of troll around here…
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:48am
  - Nev.
    
    Absolutely.
    Nev.
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:58am
    - Kimbo
      
      Absolutely.
      
      You’re just teasing me with that adverb, aren’t you? You big flirt! 😉
      
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      March 6, 2017 11:06am
      - Nev.
        
        Sorry Kimbo, I couldn’t resist. But to be fair, Kimbo’s Law, like Godwin’s must be invoked at least once in every thread.
        
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        March 6, 2017 11:11am
      - sam green
        
        You know you like it Kimbo.
        
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        March 6, 2017 3:52pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Bring back Kea?
    
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    March 6, 2017 11:02am
    - Kimbo
      
      One year ban for Kea’s ninth strike was up a few weeks ago.
      
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      March 6, 2017 11:05am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Probably busy feeding up.
        mating begins in June.
        http://www.keaconservation.co.nz/kea/kea-lifecycle/
        
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        March 6, 2017 11:20am
Liberty

Bill please raise retirement to 65 and 1day

“NZ First leader Winston Peters is refusing to work with a government that would lift the retirement age to 65, “
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March 6, 2017 10:54am
JasonJohns

Fake news or too true for the MSM to report?

Hilary Is Obama’s Real Mother
[Breitbart : 5 March] Shocking news was uncovered today that Hilary Clinton was Barack Obama’s mother and the father was a Kenyan operating as a Soviet Agent. Breitbart investigative journalists found that when 13 year Hilary Clinton was attending a Young Socialists meeting in Nairobi in 1960. She fell under the spell and was impregnated by Barack Obama Sr., who was the speaker and a Soviet spy. The child was born by Hilary and given up in a secret adoption to Ann Dunham. To keep this secret from getting out Barack Obama Jr has been operating as a Russian mole his entire life. One of Obama’s last acts was to order a wiretap in Trump Tower to track Trumps movements for the Russians.
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March 6, 2017 10:56am
- ztev
  
  Hills was an Eisenhower republican in high school in Chicago, pictures show her an enthusiastic supporter
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:48am
- Lance
  
  Looks like onions for dinner
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:48am
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , crazy Pamela Geller got ahead of you in the que,
  
  “President Obama is love child of Malcolm X “,
  
  http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/5/4/1382312/-Anti-Muslim-Activist-Pamela-Geller-Obama-is-The-Love-Child-of-Malcolm-X
  
  Hillarious !
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:59am
Manolo

Isn’t Canada lucky?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4284086/Canada-border-control-union-suggests-increased-patrols.html

The border officer’s union in Canada wants to beef up security along the United States border after 382 people made asylum claims at a single entry point in January and a further 200 entered illegally in the last week.

Jean-Pierre Fortin, president of the Customs and Immigration Union, said he believes there are more illegal crossings taking place than officials are aware of.
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March 6, 2017 11:04am
- cha
  
  Canada, you say….
  
  (video inside)
  
  Mrs. Trump, this is the third time this week… #bordercrossing #AsylumSeekers #cdnpoli #melaniatrump #HillaryClinton #borderguards pic.twitter.com/TcSWkrwdCa— 22Minutes (@22_Minutes) February 27, 2017
  
  https://twitter.com/22_Minutes/status/836280314997719041
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:25am
- stephieboy
  
  When will the President hold his promised Press conference regarding Melania’s much questioned immigration status ?
  
  http://origin-nyi.thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/304752-melania-trump-undocumented-immigrant
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:43am
Right of way is Way of Right

There seems to be a very interesting change of tone in these here pages lately. There are a great many from the right side of the political spectrum who seem to think that Donald Trump is the anointed one who will lead them out of the wilderness. You lot need to see the end result of where this may well lead you. His reckless twisting and pulling on the levers of power may well engineer a temporary change in the way of the world, but should the net effect be detrimental, he will be at best a one term president, at worst impeached. The real proof of the pudding will come in the next round of federal elections in 2018. The make up of the senate and congress will be the best indicator of President Trump’s success or otherwise. I predict that if current trends are extrapolated, it will not go well for the Republicans. To my mind, Donald Trump is to the Republicans what Jeremy Corbyn is to the British Labour Party. Both will ultimately cause great damage to their own parties, rendering both unelectable for years to come.
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March 6, 2017 11:04am
- JasonJohns
  
  FACT: Trump eats losers for breakfast.
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:11am
  - stephieboy
    
    FACT: Trump has no documented evidence that the former President had his phone tapped !
    
    Eats losers ? Michael Flynn ?
    
    LOL
    
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    March 6, 2017 11:47am
- krazykiwi
  
  RightOfWay – Uptick. Absolutely agree
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:26am
- Scott
  
  “He will be at best a one term president, at worst impeached”.
  
  Will the prognosis of doom from the anti Trumpers ever stop?
  – He is a joke candidate
  – he will never win a primary
  – he will never raise enough money
  – he will never win the presidential election
  
  Now that he has won the presidential election the very same prophets of doom say that he will only be a one term president. Scott predicts that Trump will be there for the duration of 2 terms.
  
  We can look forward to – the immigration laws actually being enforced.
  – The US economy absolutely booming
  – Isis being utterly defeated
  
  And that’s only this year!
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:35am
  - Lance
    
    It would help his cause if he stopped early morning drunken tweets
    
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    March 6, 2017 11:51am
    - All_on_Red
      
      #fake news
      Trump doesn’t drink
      
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      March 6, 2017 12:52pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, how perceptive .
        
        Anything else to contribute with the latest Trump debacle ?
        
        PS does Donald smoke dope ? You’d think he would with the Swedish and now this fiasco .
        
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        March 6, 2017 12:56pm
      - Right of way is Way of Right
        
        So, no excuse then?
        
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        March 6, 2017 1:11pm
      - Lance
        
        That makes it even worse!!
        
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        March 6, 2017 5:10pm
      - Griff
        
        http://gawker.com/rumor-doctor-prescribes-donald-trump-cheap-speed-1782901680
        
        Explains the symptoms of paranoid delusion.
        
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        March 6, 2017 5:20pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Well, Trump did one thing that Corbyn seems unlikely to emulate, getting elected as head of Government.
  
  I think the jury is still well and truly out on whether trump will be a successful President. There are certainly significant efforts underway to try to ensure by any means that he is not.
  
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  March 6, 2017 12:04pm
- All_on_Red
  
  @Right of Way
  ‘I predict that if current trends are extrapolated, it will not go well for the Republicans’
  Don’t bet your house on it. Latest Polling shows the Democrats with 48% unfavourability and only 38% favourability.
  Their behaviour in the last couple of months has been outrageously pathetic. They are in collapse.
  http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/democratic-party-favorable-rating
  The Dems are full of people far more stupid than Corbyn.
  
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  March 6, 2017 12:50pm
  - Right of way is Way of Right
    
    I’m not betting anything on it, trust me, the gamble taken by the republicans is a large enough wager in this instance!
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:14pm
Manolo

The modern-day Sultan feels aggrieved:
A diplomatic rift between Turkey and key European nations deepened Sunday as President Recep Tayyip Erdogan accused Germany of “Nazi practices,” days after a local authority prevented a Turkish minister from addressing a rally.
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March 6, 2017 11:07am
- cha
  
  Things not going to plan.
  
  #Turkey's prime minister tells Turks in #Germany city Düsseldorf they are like "Akıncılar", advance troops of the Ottoman Empire's military. pic.twitter.com/gmBWXfsVKv— Abdullah Bozkurt (@abdbozkurt) February 20, 2017
  
  https://twitter.com/abdbozkurt/status/833631769794588672
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:30am
Monique Watson

Fucking Hell this GD is possibly the most boring since Christmas. Blizzarding in Tahoe BTW.
A bit of rain overnight here. .
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March 6, 2017 11:09am
- Nev.
  
  Are you missing Gabby?
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:18am
  - mikenmild
    
    Or we could discuss my plan to prune the camelia this afternoon.
    
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    March 6, 2017 11:21am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Nooooooo!
      
      Prune your camellia straight after it has flowered.
      It should be full of flower buds at the moment.
      
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      March 6, 2017 11:32am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Misspell, meant Camilla
        
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        March 6, 2017 12:17pm
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        “Prune your camellia straight after it has flowered”.
        
        Vulgar sexual innuendo on KB.?
        
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        March 6, 2017 3:40pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How thoughtless of me.. only considering “straight” camellias.
        
        Feel free to turn it into a contorted camellia.
        http://inspiredgardening.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/0063.jpg
        
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        March 6, 2017 9:08pm
- mikenmild
  
  You could liven it up with a few more weather reports from random parts of the US.
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:20am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Yep, climate change, always a winner
    
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    March 6, 2017 12:19pm
  - kowtow
    
    Or , Bain .
    
    Didde or didde not?
    
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    March 6, 2017 12:34pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    No comment on the Eden Park horror show from Saturday Mikey?
    I have to say that despite the justified criticisms of the Indian test pitches, it does make for compelling viewing. Who would have thought having stuff all runs being scored could make for such entertainmen? Even Jadeja turned a couple square in a way reminiscent of Warnie in his prime.
    
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    March 6, 2017 12:57pm
cha

And the west wonders why.

#OTD in 1940 Stalin signs the order for the massacre of 22,000 Polish officers & intelligensia. #history #ww2 #soviet #stalin #katyn pic.twitter.com/bJl2PEvSGz— Alina Nowobilska?? (@WW2girl1944) March 5, 2017

https://twitter.com/WW2girl1944/status/838414592313331712
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March 6, 2017 11:19am
- ztev
  
  Stalins dead, so is Hitler.
  Have you just discovered both were monsters.
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:41am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Yet, Germany has not been afraid to deal with their past.
    
    Can’t same the same about Russia. Their attitude is what is written about in this book: It was a long time ago and it never happened anyway
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:06pm
JasonJohns

“Why do you think Obama always has flies landing on him? Everywhere he goes, there’s just flies all over the place.”

“Can I tell you something? Michelle Obama—and you should have your guys look this up—was talking about his odor, now I’ll tell you why. Beelzebub in the New Testament means Lord of the Flies. Lord of the Flies. Beelzebub is another name for who? Satan.

Skull and Bones members worship demons in “big pools of feces.

The Obama “Lord of the Flies administration,” according to Quayle, is bent on honoring Satan and destroying humanity” – Alex Jones
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March 6, 2017 11:26am
- Nev.
  
  This is why I don’t read Brietbart.
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:41am
- Kimbo
  
  I see a little silhouetto of a man,
  Scaramouche, Scaramouche, will you do the Fandango?
  Thunderbolt and lightning,
  Very, very frightening me.
  (Galileo) Galileo.
  (Galileo) Galileo,
  Galileo Figaro
  Magnifico-o-o-o-o.
  
  I’m just a poor boy, nobody loves me.
  He’s just a poor boy from a poor family,
  Spare him his life from this monstrosity.
  
  Easy come, easy go, will you let me go?
  Bismillah! No, we will not let you go. (Let him go!)
  Bismillah! We will not let you go. (Let him go!)
  Bismillah! We will not let you go. (Let me go!)
  Will not let you go. (Let me go!)
  Never, never let you go
  Never let me go, oh.
  No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
  Oh, mama mia, mama mia (Mama mia, let me go.)
  Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me.
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:42am
- Lance
  
  JJ please start taking your meds again.
  Even by extreme troll standards you are off into the weeds
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:54am
- sam green
  
  It is the fucking X Men – shades of witness and LegioIX in that one.
  
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  March 6, 2017 3:57pm
krazykiwi

“Fed up mother advertises her son on Facebook as free labour”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11812726

Filed under ‘lifestyle’, but based on the the outcome it could have been filed under ‘education’ 🙂
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March 6, 2017 11:41am
Monique Watson

Honestly, Mikenmild you really shouldn’t encourage me:

Full weather report for Alamo, CA: A Bit of Rain Overnight.
It’s Hot Slippery and Wet.
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March 6, 2017 11:45am
- Longknives
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfi8fT9oHkQ
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:56am
- pentwig
  
  Oh, you are talking about the weather.
  Sheez. Cold beer needed now.
  
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  March 6, 2017 1:11pm
chiz

Trump orders all White House phones to be covered in tinfoil:

WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a frenzy of early-morning activity on Saturday, President Donald J. Trump ordered aides to immediately cover every phone in the White House with tin foil, White House sources confirmed.

According to the sources, Trump contacted staffers Kellyanne Conway and Sean Spicer at approximately 6 A.M. and instructed them to purchase enough tin foil to cover every phone in the building.

The President, still wearing his bathrobe after what was reportedly a sleepless night, personally supervised the tin-foil installation, sources said.

“Wrap it tighter,” he was heard bellowing at Conway.

After the installation was complete, Trump ordered the Secret Service to check every room in the White House for signs of former President Barack Obama.

“He’s still here somewhere, I know it,” Trump reportedly muttered.
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March 6, 2017 11:52am
- Ed Snack
  
  I wonder where the New Yorker was when Obama had the phones of an AP reporter tapped – missing in action I suspect; or too busy crawling up Obama’s colon to be able to express a view.
  
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  March 6, 2017 12:09pm
- Komata
  
  A point to note: The ‘White House sources’ are still active.
  
  Methinks a ‘Mole killer; will be necessary…
  
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  March 6, 2017 3:24pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Risky!
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_House_Plumbers
    
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    March 6, 2017 3:27pm
G152

Time to shut down those auckland university snow flakes.
It’s obvious that they have greater priorities than education so the university should let them go immediately.
Then they could try those tactics in, say, a work place and notice the attention they’d get from management and staff before being released to a life on the dole…
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March 6, 2017 11:56am
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/90073114/were-not-racist-claims-new-european-student-association

AUT has quite a few cultural/gender societies.

Only the new European one is being called “racist”.

AUT African Students Club
AUT Chinese Student Association (AUTCSA)
AUT Latin American Club
AUT STEM Women
AUT Thai Student Association
Argentine Tango Student Association
East Timor Student Association
Fijian Students’ Association
Indian Flocks at AUT
Indonesian Students Association Auckland
Kiwi Asian Club
Ocha no Jikan, Japanese Tea Time
Malaysian Students’ Association
Mature students of AUT
Melanesian Students’ Group
Muslim Students’ Association
Saudi Students Association AUT
Titahi Ki TUA -Māori Students Association
AUT Māori and Pacific Law Students Association
Out@AUT
AUT Samoan Students’ Association
AUT Vietnam Alumni
Vn@AUT (Vietnamese Students currently at AUT)
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March 6, 2017 12:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  cmm, true but there is I believe no non European Society . Nothing wrong in forming say Irish , Scottish , Briton , French , German or Celtic society etc .
  
  I suppose it depends on the intent and purpose .
  
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  March 6, 2017 12:25pm
  - chuk
    
    What on earth has “no non European Society” got to do with it? Maybe you are unhappy with a group that crosses national borders (e.g. a Melanesian or Muslim group – see above list again)?
    
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    March 6, 2017 4:32pm
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Argentine Tango ?
  Well, not that one maybe – hehehe – fark me.
  That’s just a dancing club with a total pick n mix of all sorts of non-Argentine people.
  
  Additional exclusions for . . .
  French cooking group.
  Aussie Rules club.
  Jamaican steel drum association.
  
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  March 7, 2017 1:32am
Fletch

Re: the wiretapping. Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey says Trump might not be correct, but he is right.

This is the difference between being correct and being right. I think the president was not correct certainly in saying that President Obama ordered a tap on a server in Trump Tower. However, I think he’s right in that there was surveillance and that it was conducted at the behest of the attorney — of the Justice Department through the FISA court.

RADDATZ: And what do you base that on?

MUKASEY: I base that on news reports that you mentioned in the last spot. I also base it on kind of inadvertent blurting out by Adam Schiff that his committee wants to talk to the counterintelligence agents at the FBI who were involved in this. Now, what that means is this is part not of a criminal investigation, but of an intelligence gathering investigation.

The FBI has got two functions. They investigate crimes and they gather intelligence. They started gathering intelligence in ’08 based on guidelines that we put in place.

They tried to get — apparently tried to get a wiretap based on their criminal investigation function in June. That was turned down. They then tried to get, and got, an order permitting them to conduct electronic surveillance in October. This is October of 2016.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFxsIE8qAqc
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March 6, 2017 12:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, according to James Clappper Michael Mukasy is wrong ,
  
  JAMES CLAPPER: ‘There was no such wiretap activity mounted against’ Trump,
  
  James Clapper, the director of national intelligence from 2010 until January 2017, said on Sunday that he was not aware of any wiretapping of President Donald Trump during the 2016 election or before he took office, as Trump has alleged.
  
  In early morning tweets on Saturday, Trump accused Obama of ordering the wiretapping of phones in Trump Tower weeks before the election, without providing evidence of such an act.
  
  The White House issued a statement on Sunday asking Congress to look into “whether executive branch investigative powers were abused in 2016” as part of the larger investigation digging into ties between Trump’s inner circle and Russian operatives.
  
  Clapper told NBC’s “Meet the Press with Chuck Todd” that in his purview as head the US intelligence community, he could deny that there was a request for a wiretap. The Guardian had reported in January that the FBI allegedly requested a warrant from a FISA court (Foreign Intelligence Surveillance) in October to monitor Trump campaign officials who were suspected of improper ties to the Russian government.
  
  “For the part of the national security apparatus that I oversaw as DNI, there was no such wiretap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time, as a candidate, or against his campaign,” Clapper said…”
  
  http://www.businessinsider.com.au/james-clapper-trump-obama-wiretap-russia-investigation-2017-3?r=US&IR=T
  
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  March 6, 2017 12:19pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Clapper, who was interviewed on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” also said that he saw no evidence while in office of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government to influence the election.
    
    So you agree with this Stephie?
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:00pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , whatever he may of or may not said it appears inconsistent with his comments here,
      
      https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jan/05/russia-election-hacking-hearing-congress.
      
      And it begs the question why Jeff Sessions has given inconsistent accounts about his Russian contacts ?
      
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      March 6, 2017 1:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Watch the video on NBC’s Meet the Press you fuckwit.
        Quoting a Guardian report on that- lol
        Sessions is fine. Nothing there for him to worry about. Only morons now believe he perjured himself.
        
        So do you agree with Clapper about no collusion between Trump and the Russians?
        
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        March 6, 2017 1:28pm
  - Fletch
    
    Clapper – who lied to Conress about the NSA collecting data on Americans, downplayed the Iran threat assessment, and misled about bin Laden documents
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:12pm
  - VicParking
    
    The two important points in Clappers statement are:
    1: “that I oversaw”
    2: “president-elect at the time, as a candidate, or against his campaign,”
    Does not deny FBI did not contact a wire tap at all and was very selective in his words in second.
    What does campaign mean, could have been against individuals within the campaign.
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:21pm
    - fernglas
      
      Apparently the FBI director has asked the Justice Department to confirm that there was never any warrant. Of course, it is reported by the New York Times and NBC, so it could not possibly be true.
      
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      March 6, 2017 3:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Apparently’
        I like Comey. He’s got guts. I think we need a Congressional inquiry.
        Get Obama and Lynch in to explain themselves.
        Oh and all those media outlets who talk about ‘communication intercepts’
        Who told them that was happening?
        
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        March 6, 2017 6:22pm
waripori

The best construction you can put on Trump and the Russians is that it is a Kremlin miscalculation. They probably thought Trump was rational and that his campaign staff had some connection with reality. When Trump mused that he did not want to go to war with Russia over Ukraine in the early part of 2016 the Russians might have decided he was their man and got some sort of confirmation during their ambassadors meeting with Trump staffers like Carter Page. They then used the Democratic email hacks to try and get Trump elected. They did not realise he had no idea how to run the USA and would be quite ineffective at helping them in Europe. They are apparently already disappointed although they must be quite pleased at the chaos in the USA.

The more sinister possibility is the Russians do have Trump by the financial balls and have managed to collect some other dirt on him. Either way Trump seems rattled at the moment.
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March 6, 2017 12:36pm
- All_on_Red
  
  What an imagination you have.
  #TDS
  Btw, in his Presidential Disclosure, Trumps assets, source and amount of debt and income are all available online
  https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/financial-disclosures
  
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  March 6, 2017 1:02pm
  - stephieboy
    
    uh, uh not so fast ,
    
    “…Whether these sheets reflect the current state of Trump’s finances is unknown. He has stated—without proof—that he has sold off his stocks in preparation to enter office; at a press conference on January 11, he and one of his lawyers, Sheri Dillon, claimed that he would be stepping down from many of the positions he held at various companies, providing no verification beyond a table stacked with folders that they claimed contained the legal documentation of the arrangements. Nobody in the press has had access to these documents, and Trump will not have to file again until 2018, meaning that the information could remain unverified for at least another year. Moreover, there are some differences between the 2015 and 2016 disclosure forms, mainly reflecting changes in Trump’s finances, such as stocks he had sold off or purchased, companies with which he became no longer involved, debt that has matured; in our spreadsheet, any information that was only present in 2015 is highlighted in yellow, while anything only listed in 2016 is highlighted in green. As of now, however, these FEC filings reflect the best available information on Trump’s financial situation, information which may become increasingly relevant as descriptions of his conflicts of interest and suggestions of how they may be impacting his behavior pile up.
    
    Of course, the FEC filings have significant limitations. Much of the information in them is so general that it is nearly impossible to estimate Trump’s wealth, income, or debts with any precision. The forms indicate not precise values but bands that are at times so broad as to be almost unreadable, especially at the higher end of the scale. Trump declared over $5,000,000 in income from Trump Tower in each 2015 and 2016; just how much it exceeded that is anyone’s guess. The liabilities page for 2016 lists at least $350 million in loans, although, given that five are reported as “over $50,000,000”—all incurred since 2012—the actual extent of his debts remains an open question.”
    
    https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2017/01/trump-fec-filings/513389/
    
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    March 6, 2017 1:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh yes so fast. Your comment is conjecture. Unproven conjecture. “Anyone’s guess”! Lol
      Trumps disclosures are under oath. He( and all the others) comply as they only have to report in Bands.
      That’s the standard.
      Prove his Disclosure wrong and then he’s stuffed.
      Off you go…
      
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      March 6, 2017 1:25pm
      - itstricky
        
        Is there any irony in that post that recognises how much time you’ve spent on Trump’s unproven conjecture today?
        
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        March 6, 2017 2:35pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Itstricky,
        Look below. Perhaps President Trump is relying on all the reporting done by newspapers about how his team has been bugged!
        Funny how those with TDS now want to ignore that as they call President Trump silly…
        Btw, President Trumps disclosures are not conjecture but are on my link.
        So, a pointless snark from you which misses the mark.
        Poor snowflake- trying so hard but failing. Lol
        
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        March 6, 2017 6:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Here you go. Never listened to Mark Levin before but he does sum up some of the sources for the claims about wiretapping happening.
        You know, when the Media and other assorted useful idiots were very very busy claiming President Trump was working with Russia.
        http://video.foxnews.com/v/5348359459001/?#sp=show-clips
        Was that all #fakenews now?
        Oh dear.
        
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        March 6, 2017 6:37pm
All_on_Red

‘On Saturday, former President Obama’s spokesman Kevin Lewis denied that the former White House or the former President himself would have given such an order to wiretap Trump Tower—or any other type of surveillance in any case—but that such an order would have come from an “independent investigation led by the Department of Justice.”

And who asked the Justice Dept to investigate?
Interesting Tweet from Jon Favreau who was Obamas Speechwriter.
“I’d be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the WH ordered it.”
‘And Favreau endorsed a Twitter feed that laid out the reporting about the existence of the wiretaps, which cited reporting from Louise Mensch, formerly of Heat Street, and The Guardian that the Obama DOJ had sought a FISA court approved surveillance warrant for Trump Tower back in the summer of 2016 that was denied but received a narrower focused warrant in October.’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/04/non-denial-denial-obama-response-trump-wiretap-claim-raises-questions/
I’m not going to indulge in conspiracy theories but one way to tap Trumps phones is to accuse him of collusion with Russia ( now proven to not have happened according to DNI Clapper) and then ordering the DOJ AG and IG to investigate.
Personally I wish both sides ( and the Media opposition Party)would just stfu and get on with solving the massive problems the US has!
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March 6, 2017 1:19pm
waripori

It would be good if Trump was to get on with his agenda. The US desperately needs a coherent tax code, lots of pointless left wing regulation disposed of and a healthcare system that gives everyone access at a lower cost. For about 24 hours last week it looked like Trump wanted to be President. It now looks as though he just wanted to be a candidate. Every criticism or piece of bad news deflects him from his purpose.

It is going to take enormous political skill and capital to herd the cats on the Hill to give up their pet projects and protected vested interests to deal with the list above let alone come to grips with the budget. Trump has done himself and his agenda enormous harm over the weekend and he really looks unstable. A whole bunch of republicans just got off the Trump train and certainly no democrats got on.
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March 6, 2017 1:48pm
Brigitte

So all we need now is to find out that Obama really did bug Trump tower, but that it was a Russian official who was there to talk to the Trump team about sanctions….
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March 6, 2017 1:52pm
krazykiwi

BNZ boss gives Tony Alexander a kick. Perhaps he could put on a spread of lattes, muffins, frappes,& wraps for his younger customers 🙂

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11812823
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March 6, 2017 1:52pm
- Brigitte
  
  And quite a few port-a-loos as 26 lattes are likely to have you needing to make a few trips….
  
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  March 6, 2017 2:00pm
SPC

Super and glacier melt.

There is no majority for a party proposing super change, thus NZF (would capture votes from the party proposing it) is in position to block it.

https://yournz.org/2017/03/06/super-age-change-unlikely/

This means the outcome of the signal of English is that they will announce their position on the age required to get super

My preference is this manifesto policy (legislated when with a majority, if not 2017-2020 then 2020).

1. the government gives 10 years notice of any increase in age beyond age 65
2. the goal being age 70 by 2050
3. a three month a year increase in age (thus would take 20 years to increase.

Thus would be implemented from 2030 – being age 66 in 2034, 67 in 2038, 68 in 2042, 69 in 2046 and 70 in 2050).

A reduced lead in time would occur if there was no majority support after 2017 and 2020 elections – but proposing the policy change acts as a signal all of itself.
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March 6, 2017 2:19pm
- Brigitte
  
  Since we don’t know how much life expectancy will grow in the future it seems to me that a fixed age and target date might not be the best way forward. We could work out from starting work (say using age 20) how long you are expected to live. That could be split perhaps 75% work and 25% retire (say). Currently that would make retirement age about 65. If it improves then adjust the age with a leading time similar to your suggestion.
  
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  March 6, 2017 2:41pm
  - SPC
    
    The concept is based on everyone else moving or signalling a move to age 67 now, and their next step would be to age 70 – for us it is about doing it one go and thus getting the longest lead in to the age 67 to age 70 increase.
    
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    March 6, 2017 3:01pm
  - SPC
    
    The other matter is individual variability.
    
    There are people with terminal illnesses (under 65) living on basic benefits in their last year of life, and those unfit for their occupational work if not all work by the time they are 60 let alone 65/67/70. And those who struggle to maintain employment to age 65 and find new jobs even though still healthy enough.
    
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    March 6, 2017 3:05pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Are we going to acknowledge that women live 3 years longer so should retire almost a year after men?
    Or that Maori live 7 years less and so should retire almost 2 years earlier?
    How about younger people who get terminal diagnoses?
    I’d be in favour of all of that, should be based on actuarial work, not one-size-fits-all.
    And euthanise everyone with gaga-stage dementia to pay for it.
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:19pm
All_on_Red

What I find interesting is that some here were trumpeting (heh) connections between Trumps campaign and Russia- now declared by DNI Clapper as not true.
Yet now they scorn Trump saying he was wiretapped.
But look at this NYT report from Jan 19 2017 which says’WASHINGTON — American law enforcement and intelligence agencies are examining intercepted communications and financial transactions as part of a broad investigation into possible links between Russian officials and associates of President-elect Donald J. Trump, including his former campaign chairman Paul Manafort, current and former senior American officials said.’
‘The F.B.I. is leading the investigations, aided by the National Security Agency, the C.I.A. and the Treasury Department’s financial crimes unit. The investigators have accelerated their efforts in recent weeks but have found no conclusive evidence of wrongdoing, the officials said. One official said intelligence reports based on some of the wiretapped communications had been provided to the White House.’

“Intercepted Communications” ‘Intellignce reports…provided to the White House’
Who did the intercepting?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/19/us/politics/trump-russia-associates-investigation.html?_r=1
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March 6, 2017 2:24pm
- SPC
  
  The FBI would seek wiretaps when doing
  investigations, but those on associates of Trump do not include him.
  
  In some cases they would have just gleaned info from existing surveillance of Russian activity.
  
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  March 6, 2017 2:34pm
  - fernglas
    
    Note that Obama’s people were careful to point out that he had not authorised any wiretaps of US citizens. The phones of Russian diplomats would be tapped as a matter of course, and it is presumably from this material that the intelligence reports were compiled.
    
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    March 6, 2017 2:50pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      They said Obama hadn’t authorised the wire taps full stop.
      Of course he hasn’t. It’s not his place and he doesn’t have the authority.
      The process is, he asks the DOJ to investigate who in turn get the FBI to do so.
      The NSA could also be involved- amongst others.
      
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      March 6, 2017 6:16pm
- waripori
  
  If you believe the NYT try this from today.
  WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump’s assertion that President Barack Obama ordered the tapping of Mr. Trump’s phones, senior American officials said on Sunday. Mr. Comey has argued that the highly charged claim is false and must be corrected, they said, but the department has not released any such statement.
  
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  March 6, 2017 3:06pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    It is REPORTED that Comey has said that, but there has been no statement from him officially…
    I note you don’t provide a link.
    Seeing who the source is might be useful.
    
    The existence of wiretaps and intercepted communications was also reported by Heat Street, the Guardian and the WaPo and twice by the NYT.
    Were they all just making it up?
    
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    March 6, 2017 6:02pm
stephieboy

All on Red ,

“Personally I wish both sides ( and the Media opposition Party)would just stfu and get on with solving the massive problems the US has!”

Standard fare for Breitbart and Trump,

Ask no questions hear no lies!
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March 6, 2017 3:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The true quote is:
  
  ” Ask no questions, and you’ll be told no lies.”
  
  – Charles Dickens: Great Expectations.
  
  and the Kindy version:
  Ask no questions, you’ll be told no lies
  I saw a policeman doing up his
  Flies are bad, bees are worse,
  That is the end of this dirty little verse.
  
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  March 6, 2017 4:30pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Stephieidiot.
  I’ve asked you a question twice and had no response.
  What do you think of ex DNI Clapper saying there are no links between Trump and Russia?
  
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  March 6, 2017 6:04pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    All_on_Red,
    
    You should really refer to your own quotes when jumping and crowing the way you do.
    
    At 1:00 pm you said:
    
    Clapper, who was interviewed on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” also said that he saw no evidence while in office of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government to influence the election.
    
    Now, just to try and point out the obvious, seeing no evidence and making a definitive statement that there were no links are two very different things.
    
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    March 6, 2017 9:23pm
Fletch

In a televised interview, Obama’s ex-press secretary Josh Earnest refused to deny a wiretap of Trump was authorized.

RADDATZ: We know about that denial from President Obama and the law as well. As President Obama’s former speechwriter, Jon Favreau, your former colleague, tweeted: “I’d be careful about reporting that Obama said there was no wiretapping. Statement just said that neither he nor the White House ordered it.”

Can you categorically deny that the Obama Justice Department did not seek and obtain a FISA court order?

EARNEST: What I can categorically deny, Martha, is that the White House was at all involved in directing or interfering or influencing an FBI investigation of any sort.

RADDATZ: That’s not what I’m asking. What I’m asking is, can you deny that the Obama Justice Department did not seek and obtain a FISA court-ordered wiretap of the Trump campaign?

EARNEST: It was a cardinal rule — here’s the simple answer to that question, is, Martha, I don’t know. And it’s not because I’m no longer in government. The fact is, even when I was in government, I was not in a position of being regularly briefed on an FBI criminal or counterintelligence investigation.

The White House — no one at the White House, including the president of the United States, should be in a position in which they’re trying to influence or dictate how that investigation is being conducted.

RADDATZ: Do you to know with whether the president was ever given information about surveillance at Trump Tower?

EARNEST: What I can tell you — well, first of all, I’m not aware of all of the details of how the president was briefed by the FBI. But what I can tell you is the president was not giving marching orders to the FBI about how to conduct their investigations. He was not asking for regular updates on FBI investigations.

And let me just stipulate one more time, you have to ask the FBI whether there actually is an investigation into Mr. Trump, his associates, his campaign. That’s for them to talk about. That is not something that was talked about or directed or managed by the White House, because this is a cardinal rule. These are rules that have been in place since Watergate, and for good reason.

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Again we get the denial that Obama personally sneaked into Trump Tower and placed a wiretap, something which no ones is alleging to begin with. Earnest was part of Obama’s inner circle. There is no way surveillance of a candidate for president was going to happen without Obama being informed. There was no way Obama was going to know about it and Earnest not know just in case one of the stump broken members of the White House Press Corps went off the reservation and asked the question.

http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2017/03/05/josh-earnest-refuses-deny-wiretap-trump-authorized/
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March 6, 2017 5:08pm
reid3

A French government committee has heard testimony, suppressed by the French government at the time and not published online until this week, that the killers in the Bataclan appear to have tortured their victims on the second floor of the club.

Q. For the information of the Commission of Inquiry….can you tell us how you learned that there had been acts of barbarism within the Bataclan: beheadings, evisceration, eyes gouged out …?

Investigator: After the assault, we were with colleagues at the passage Saint-Pierre Amelot when I saw weeping from one of our colleagues who came outside to vomit. He told us what he had seen.

Q. Acts of torture happened on the second floor?

A. Bodies have not been presented to families because there were beheaded people there, the murdered people, people who have been disemboweled . There are women who had their genitals stabbed.

Q. All this would have been videotaped for Daesh!

A. I believe so. Survivors have said so.

Elsewhere, the investigator says, women were sexually tortured, stabbed in the genitals, and their eyes were plucked out. People were decapitated.

The clerk of the inquiry (or “rapporteur”) pressed the chief of committee for clarity on whether victims were decapitated or mutilated. The committee chief replied that the authorities had given out conflicting information that said victims were merely shot or blown up. He then added this damning statement about one victim’s father discovering the gruesome truth in the morgue:

Mr. President Georges Fenech Indeed, the Committee is troubled by this information which has appeared nowhere [in the media]. Thus, the father of one of the victims sent me a copy of a letter he sent to the investigating judge, which I quote in summary: “On the causes of the death of my son A., at the forensic institute in Paris, I was told, and what a shock it was for me at that moment, they had cut off his testicles, had put them in his mouth, and he was disemboweled. When I saw him behind glass, lying on a table, a white shroud covering it up to the neck, a psychologist was with me. He said: This is “the only presentable part, your son’s left profile.” I found that he had no right eye. I made the remark; I was informed that they had punctured his eye and sliced down the right side of his face, where there was a very large hematoma that we could all see. ”
This particular witness could corroborate the statements that we heard from one of the BAC officials, that one of his investigators vomited immediately on leaving the Bataclan after finding a decapitation and evisceration. Are you aware of such facts?

A prosecutor appearing before the inquiry replied lamely that no sharp knife had been found at the scene that could have been used for torture. Perhaps shrapnel had caused the mutilation, he said. The head of the committee asked if an explosion would have placed testicles in a victim’s mouth:

Prosecutor: I specify, for the sake of clarity: some of the bodies found at the Bataclan were extremely mutilated by the explosions and weapons, to the point that it was sometimes difficult to reconstruct the dismembered bodies. In other words, injuries described this father may also have been caused by automatic weapons, by explosions or projections of nails and bolts that have resulted.

Q. Would those have put a man’s balls in in his own mouth?

Prosecutor: I do not have that information.

http://en.europe-israel.org/2017/03/02/exclusive-france-suppressed-reports-of-gruesome-torture-at-bataclan-massacre/
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March 6, 2017 5:35pm
- realityczech
  
  Sounds like a classic Mossad false flag.
  
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  March 6, 2017 5:48pm
realityczech

The media are in a frenzy running cover for Obama after getting busted spying on Trump.

It’s not working as Trump continues to surge ahead in the polls.
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March 6, 2017 5:40pm
- nasska
  
  Praise be the Almighty……the mere mention of the name “Trump” & every knee shall quiver in hysteria….
  
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  March 6, 2017 6:04pm
reid3

Mark Levin PROVES Obama Wiretapping on President Donald Trump | Fox & Friends 3/5/17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91fNfGjZdM0
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March 6, 2017 5:52pm
reid3

“Executive Pen” Obama was out of control after 8years of the do-nothing congress ever stopping him from anything. He thought he was invincible, but he didn’t plan on Trump becoming POTUS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wC1NGWM8gP8

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c189d56ab6aa07feb7f4a33cb6f50f2f6b86ee9d8349c8565d4bd1a406ba9c95.jpg?w=800&h=722
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March 6, 2017 6:06pm
reid3

WATCH THIS & KNOW: TRAITORS & PEDOPHILES ARE BEING BROUGHT DOWN!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DoPi0eEw0Y
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March 6, 2017 6:36pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  If this is what I think it is, it’s a distraction. A way of making those who believe in conspiracy theories think that what is happening now is a cover for hiding something more sinister.
  
  Good trap for the gullible.
  
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  March 6, 2017 9:25pm
  - reid3
    
    Good trap for the gullible.
    
    You mean like people who thought we should invade Iraq cos they had WMDs Lucia?
    
    No, I don’t subscribe to such bullshit.
    
    You should stop doing it.
    
    You might suddenly start being able to predict what’s going to happen.
    
    But of course you won’t be doing that anytime soon, will you.
    
    Sad really, you’ve got a good mind, obviously. It’s just your bleeding heart which interferes with it.
    
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    March 6, 2017 10:03pm
reid3

“The progressive democratic world order is at risk of collapse”, former Vice President Joe Biden spoke these words in his last speech to a waiting public. This is the same man whose son took up an executive role in Ukraine before the embers of revolution had stopped smoldering. In this same speech Biden also named Russia as the prime antagonist of this new global order. Here’s a look at one of the world’s top public enemies.

Joe Biden loves Bill and Hillary Clinton, he loves them so much he wants to be just like them. Why he’s already started his own money machine, The Biden Foundation, which looks like the spitting image of the Clinton Foundation. Like the Clinton Foundation, Biden’s new NGO is into all those things that people are most concerned about. It’s also into all those things people donate money for, like lobbying. The sparkling new Biden endeavor professes care for women’s issues, health, protecting little kids and equality too, just like Bill’s and Hillary’s altruism. The ex-Vice President’s new site drips with lovingkindness. It’s amazing, hopeful, and chock full of smiling faces to take your heart, breath, and money away. It’s even got “Pillars” like one of those ancient Greek temples of wisdom! And knowing what Joe Biden is really about, it makes my stomach churn…

…for the lowest income people in America the Obama-Biden White House brought nothing but more misery. Despite the juggled numbers this Administration and the “new order” cooked up, poverty in America is far worse. In the richest country on Earth there are 36% more people on food stamps than when these “saviors” took office. The Federal debt in America has more than doubled too, as pork barrel and military spending that helped only the banks prevailed. Corporate profits under Obama and Biden rose to 144% over previous wins, while home ownership and other key metrics for most Americans fell dramatically. The America Donald Trump inherited is a socio-economic piñata with deadly candies tucked away inside now, and he has said as much.

A look at the division in attitudes shows one divide, but the deeper scars of this nation may soon be weighed in catastrophe. Biden, the poster boy of hypocrites in the swamp of Washington, represents a more clear and present danger to Americans now, than he did as VP. Biden and his wife are lucky, when many Americans feel blessed to have a bed to get up out of, or even a roof over their heads. As is the case with any set of statistics, how one slices the numbers determines the reality. For Biden and the elites, this new Democratic order has been a boom. But for those who are not elites, the distribution of wealth shows a different truth. Put in a nutshell, Biden and his ilk feathered the beds of the upper-middle class and the ultimate elites, with the proceeds of a lower class fleeced once again. Don’t take my word, do you own research starting here. The “have nots” paid for Joe and Jill’s beautiful American Dream, and for Joe’s Dad’s deep, deep vision too. And as to copy-cat NGOs, Biden Foundation is already on the pharma scene for an upcoming medical conference. I am reminded of Bill and Hillary and how they started the speaking bonanza we heard so much about.

http://journal-neo.org/2017/03/04/joe-biden-fears-for-the-democratic-world-order/

Isn’t it amazing how the lefties worship Obongo and his buddies when the reality is, they bought utter ruin upon the very people the lefties claim they’re protecting.
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March 6, 2017 6:43pm
- Fletch
  
  Just look at Biden’s own dysfunctional family. His dead son’s widow is having an affair with his other still married son.
  
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  March 6, 2017 6:57pm
Fletch

Stefan Molyneux on the disgraceful actions of the FBI and wiretapping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_0HAWWeC4E
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March 6, 2017 7:18pm
nasska

If two gay Maori men get married & adopt a baby which one of the fathers is supposed to abandon the family & which one goes on the DPB?
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March 6, 2017 8:35pm
- Longknives
  
  Edgy!..
  
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  March 6, 2017 8:49pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  A. Tamati
  
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  March 6, 2017 10:09pm
- sam green
  
  I reckon it’d be you nasska – the one to go on the DPB.
  
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  March 6, 2017 11:56pm
Manolo

The knives are out for him:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/trump-reince-priebus-white-house-235703
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