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Dafixeruppa

Good morning all.
Is it possible that a newbie got the first post in today?
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March 31, 2017 8:02am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Just be aware of the Rottweilers wearing the lipstick
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:50am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Don’t worry, I won’t do it again, I’ll be a good boy.
    
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    March 31, 2017 9:14am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Slippery slope!!!
  
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  March 31, 2017 1:25pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/91020510/man-falsely-accused-of-rape-jailed-for-10-months

The comments from Rape Crisis are disturbing-
“We believe all survivors who approach our confidential service and support them on their healing journey,” she said in a statement.

Rape Crisis clearly couldn’t give a hoot about the guy who had his life destroyed their ‘survivor’s’ vile little game of lies…
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March 31, 2017 8:04am
- mikenmild
  
  I agree. Rape Crisis volunteers should aggressively question alleged ‘victims’ and if not 100% satisfied they are telling the truth should refuse to help them and warn the Police that someone might make a false complaint. They should also automatically reject any complaints where the so-called victim knows the alleged attacker or where she had ingested any quantity of alcohol or drugs.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:10am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    based on the down tick, I think someone can’t recognise sarcasm.
    Having worked with some of these ‘victims’ in the past, it is impossible for a volunteer to know if someone is truly a victim or not. The people making the complaint, generally completely 100% believe in their own minds that it happened.
    Unfortunately in the absence of information that proves otherwise, the police and other services have to take action.
    In the case of the guy above, he had a history of violence, hence why he was held without bail. A history that the police believed would lead to him trying to find and intimidate the complainant into changing her story.
    I believe (and hope, not trust) that for most other people in this situation, they would be able to get bail and not sit in prison.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:20am
    - Longknives
      
      “The people making the complaint, generally completely 100% believe in their own minds that it happened.”
      
      So you don’t believe that people are sometimes malicious and tell lies then??
      Wow you have led a sheltered life…
      There are any number of reasons why someone might lie and make a false Rape complaint- My friend had his life absolutely fucking destroyed by a woman who was telling desperate lies to save her relationship (after a Christmas Party fling)
      His career was wrecked, cost him tens of thousands in legal bills and he had a nervous breakdown.
      She eventually told the truth. But I’m guessing someone like you would probably still consider her a ‘Victim’?
      
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      March 31, 2017 9:23am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        That’s a truly horrific situation. I agree Longknives, the narrative in the media has been more about the damage this does to potential rape victims coming rather than the actual victim in this case, who happened to be a man and it appears, completely innocent.
        
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        March 31, 2017 11:19am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        That is not what I said at all.
        Before I expand on my comments, I would firstly like to say that I am very sorry for your friend and it is cases like his that make it harder for the genuine cases to be heard. In his case I would NEVER call her a victim of rape. In his case, HE was the victim.
        
        I was referencing my own experiences working with these people. My involvement was in picking up the pieces when they had got to the suicidal stage.
        My comment was referring to the fact that a volunteer can not be expected to make a judgement call.
        Yes there are some scum out there that will make a false and malicious complaint, but they were in the minority of the ones I worked with, most of them had mental health issues and truly did believe that rape had occurred. An example was a case where the person accused of sexual assault was not in the same country at the time of the alleged offending and this was proven and shown to the individual making the complaint, but they still insisted that it happened.
        
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        March 31, 2017 1:00pm
- itstricky
  
  The failure was Justice so I don’t see what that has to do with the price of fish.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:14am
- kowtow
  
  This is a rape crisis.
  
  “A man who raped a sleeping woman at a party, and who has a conviction for passport fraud, has won his appeal against deportation to India.”
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/327784/rapist-wins-case-to-be-allowed-to-stay-in-nz
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:24am
  - oldpark
    
    Ties in with a friends daughter who was raped in Auckland, by a person of same vintage ,as well as from the faith of you know what,was let off because they were from that faith. The penalty was a curfew between the hours of midnight to seven am. Plus some other type of non threatening sentence for the rapist. Wonder” what a “christian” NZ born rapist would have got.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:34am
  - Swifty
    
    It seems, anecdotally, that having a child means deportation rules no longer apply to you.
    
    Well there’s an incentive if I’ve ever seen one!
    
    Passport fraud, rape. Yeah no worries all welcome in Godzone!
    
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    March 31, 2017 9:36am
    - Jack5
      
      Yep some of those who should be deported are polygamists, with big social welfare.
      
      When it comes to border protection, NZ is gutless.
      
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      March 31, 2017 2:41pm
- waikatosinger
  
  I’m happy with them being supportive as long as they don’t actually lie in court or help make up evidence. As you can see I have very low expectations. I still remember the Gay Oakes case where a women’s refuge worker helped her client bury the body of her murdered partner.
  
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  March 31, 2017 10:36am
  - GoVege
    
    The “murdered partner” was far from a saint, WS.
    BUT some good probably came out of this revelation and others.
    There used to be some very aggressive, anti-male women running the refuges who used to bully the women clients.
    This seems to have been cleaned up.
    
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    March 31, 2017 1:12pm
- Fletch
  
  I am currently reading No Campus for White Men, and it is quite disturbing about these rape claims and the fake “1 in 5” statistic.
  
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  March 31, 2017 11:38am
Paulus Gnome

I would have thought that this shit could not be made up, appears that I was wrong.

“About half of people in prison in New Zealand are there for property and drug offending. Very few Western nations send people to prison for those types of offences.

“It’s outrageous.”

Name those nations (Auckland University senior law lecturer) Quince.

‘Quince said she was not surprised at the rates of Māori imprisonment. She attributed the higher imprisonment rate to a number of factors.

‘”The number one thing the judge is looking for [when sentencing] is prior offending and risk of future offending,” Quince said.

“Māori offenders often receive harsher outcomes because of [previous convictions] even when faced with the same conviction as a non-Māori offender.

“Having said that, I still think there would be an element of systemic bias.”

She said the Ministry of Justice must increase the diversity of ethnicities and backgrounds of presiding judges.

“Judges are just human beings, but if they are human beings from a particularly narrow slice of our society, then they will also reflect the values, aspirations and biases of members of those groups in society.

“You even want the ones that aren’t diverse to be better educated on matters to be able to understand, for example, marginalisation, poverty, violence, and Māori, Pasifika and refugee cultures.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11828500

So an excuse fest for the fact that maori are almost twice the population in prison than European. In fairness, colonisation was not mentioned in the final paragraph with the usual line-up of excuses for poor and uncivilised behaviour.
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March 31, 2017 8:05am
- itstricky
  
  So what’s your theory for the discrepancy?
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    They do more bad shit perhaps
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:14am
    - itstricky
      
      So what’s your theory on why they “do more bad shit”?
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:16am
      - kowtow
        
        They smoke more dope and other narcotics.
        
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        March 31, 2017 8:19am
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        A culture of entitlement.
        Generations of “You owe me”.
        A belief that the law doesn’t apply to them…
        I’m sure if you opened your mind, you could keep adding to that list.
        
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        March 31, 2017 8:22am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Bad parenting. Obviously the kids are the same race as the parents and go on to become low quality people and bad parents themselves. The solution is twofold:
        
        1. Don’t have welfare payments that encourage unsuitable parents to produce kids.
        
        2. If/when the parents screw up, take the kids away and don’t give them back.
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:08am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        I’d say its generally the genetically low IQ which in turn is exacerbated by terrible culture and low expectation social norms for that particular group.
        
        #notall
        
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        March 31, 2017 11:30am
  - Viking2
    
    Failure of family and discipline. And of course some would say lack of religion. ( I couldn’t possibly comment on that.)
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:14am
    - itstricky
      
      And why do you think those failures happen?
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:17am
      - kowtow
        
        Personal choices .
        
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        March 31, 2017 8:20am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Poor personal choices
        
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        March 31, 2017 8:24am
      - cmm
        
        As kowtow says, it is all down to choices. The types of choice we make are not random. ie. people who make bad choices in one area of their lives are more likely to be making poor choices in other areas of their life.
        
        Crime is a choice.
        Not going to school is a choice.
        Having kids out of wedlock (approx 70% of Maori kids born out of wedlock) is a choice.
        Not caring for your kids properly is a choice.
        Being peer-pressured into not “acting white” (ie. being successful) is a choice.
        Smoking is a choice.
        Boozing is a choice.
        Putting in the bash is a choice.
        
        Why they continue to make those poor choices, I don’t know. Perhaps the welfare system makes it too easy to go the bad choice route. Perhaps it is innate intelligence.
        
        But what I know for certain is that it isn’t my fault that they make poor choices.
        
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        March 31, 2017 8:31am
      - itstricky
        
        Of course. Ending up prison is probably the result of a poor choice. I don’t think that gets us any closer though. Why do they (with a larger degree of probability) make bad choices?
        
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        March 31, 2017 8:34am
      - itstricky
        
        That’s for the other two, not you cmm, seeing as you have gone further and stated your reasoning
        
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        March 31, 2017 8:37am
      - cmm
        
        Itstricky
        
        Why should other people have to provide the reasons for the bad choices? We (as tax payers) spend millions of dollars employing psychologists etc.
        
        Analogy: A non-engineer can say a bridge fell down because a structural member failed, but leave it to the engineers to explain exactly why the member failed (metal fatigue, …).
        
        Unfortunately we have a situation where people make all sorts of excuses for Maori failure. But this does not help get problems out into the light where they get fixed.
        
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        March 31, 2017 8:56am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        As one of the ‘other two’, I can say that I believe and credit the majority of commentators here with a degree of reading, education, common sense and life experience skills that provide for a general all around good consensus of knowledgeable and credible opinion.
        
        Maori consistently appearing in negative statistics is hardly a new news item, has been news since before ti treaty and is not limited to Maori. The reasons for Maori achieving the current statistical status has been debated here and elsewhere on more than one occasion with every reason having been litigated and argued more than once.
        
        There have been many systems and mechanisms put in place by society to help Maori overcome all the difficulties that they, as a race, face, both real and perceived. Some Maori need them, some don’t, some Maori benefit from them and some choose to ignore them and some double down with the ‘fuck you’ and victimhood attitude.
        
        This is not confined to Maori. However, for some 17% of the population that identify as Maori, there seem to be an awful lot who choose to adopt this attitude, make poor choices, continue to make poor choices and thus contribute to these appalling statistics. A horse can be led to water springs to mind here.
        
        As a contributor here, sometimes it pays to move on and let someone knock themselves out, grinding down any response with puerile ‘why’ questions as they are no effort posts that wear thin in a very short time.
        
        Although I am here, and can make the time to be here, I like to do other things in my life other than tap out responses, but I can.
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:43am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Culture, current cultural norms for the underclass (and it’s not race-specific at all, but a far larger percentage of maori in NZ are members of that group than most other “race” groups) encourage feckless behaviour and discourage personal; responsibility.
        
        That culture has been actively encouraged by the left in politics because it creates a permanent group of needy people who will loyally vote for those who promise them “things”.
        
        Race is merely incidental especially for those of mixed backgrounds – and almost all maori have a mix now. My wife and children are 1/8th and 1/16th maori respectively, and yet they don’t have that cultural mindset (at least not yet) because that’s not how they were brought up.
        
        There’s no easy cure while the lure for power that drives identity politics holds sway. Culture is learned behaviour and can be changed, but it isn’t necessarily easy and is constrained by general “human nature” constraints.
        
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        March 31, 2017 10:15am
      - GoVege
        
        If it was merely “personal choices”, we wouldn’t have so many people of one particular race involved in crime.
        This is a problem of culture, and the present leadership of Maori failing to address the real issues and instead blaming the so-called “colonisers”.
        Traditional Maori culture has the same problems that keep all third world cultures poor and violent.
        They need leaders who will challenge the sexism and macho attitudes that see hundreds of Maori children dragged up with a succession of “step-dads”. And who will start teaching their people a work ethic instead of sponging off the Pakeha.
        
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        March 31, 2017 12:12pm
      - itstricky
        
        Pretty much all I was after PG. You see it’s pretty easy to fling about cliche slogans about things that don’t happen but I just wanted to see the root of the perspective.
        
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        March 31, 2017 6:39pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Crime, attending court and prison are totally acceptable to a large group of people, a way of life. And you wonder why criminals won’t change their criminal life choices. Afterall they are just misunderstood, it is not their fault, and ultimately they are a “good boy”.
      
      It would surprise some of the criminal element to know there are those in NZ who have never broken the law for any reason, never come to the attention of the police, never attended court or ultimately ended up in prison. Crime is an unacceptable way to live your life, and people do judge bad behaviour. There are repercussions for bad choices in the real world.
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:36am
      - cmm
        
        Correct.
        
        It’s a bit like the “old days” attitude to drink driving. If you got bust drink driving then it was just bad luck.
        
        Unfortunately many people have that view about crime. If you get caught it is just bad luck and it’s off to the taxpayer-funded gang pad (aka prison) to hang out with your mates for a few months.
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:04am
    - GoVege
      
      Ah …choice.
      If only one could choose one’s parents.
      That would solve many problems.
      
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      March 31, 2017 11:24am
    - GoVege
      
      Cmm: Research has been done that shows that if a child’s parents smoke, it is very likely that they will take up smoking too.
      Most bad habits are learned in the home.
      (And good ones.)
      
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      March 31, 2017 11:41am
      - cmm
        
        Yes that is correct, but people still have choices.
        
        Sure it is harder to make the right choices when you are surrounded by people pressurizing you to make shitty choices (and be a loser) to fit in with them.
        
        But blaming the Nats (or evil whitey) for your bad choices is never going to get the problem solved.
        
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        March 31, 2017 1:17pm
      - GoVege
        
        cmm: you say none of their choices are your fault.
        But who do you vote for?
        Is it National…the party that works with the Maori Party, that group of throwbacks that defend gangs as an acceptable “lifestyle choice”.
        And was founded by the matriarch who reckons Maori girls of 13-17 having 4 times the birth rate of other races is a good thing and “our fertility “.
        Not what it really is: child abuse of both mothers and babies and a sure road to those children entering the crime stats as either victims or perpetrators or both.
        
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        March 31, 2017 2:22pm
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    As per usual, the resident Leftard is too thick to figure it out for themselves.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:17am
    - itstricky
      
      So asking for the roots of an assertion now makes one a ‘tard? Interesting.
      
      Don’t be the first one to resort to personal abuse today.
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:24am
      - starboard
        
        Give it up itsticky..you’ve had your arse handed back to you on a plate more than a dozen times..accept the fact, maori make poor, and lazy decisions. That is why they are continually at the bottom of the heap. It may change in 100 years when the mix is right.
        
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        March 31, 2017 3:58pm
      - itstricky
        
        Ah, starboard, how did I know that you wouldn’t comment with the reasonable speakers above and below but would chime in on the personal abuse thread.
        
        Nice mai tai?
        
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        March 31, 2017 6:41pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Nice mai tai?
        As if he could get a mai tai at the Papanui RSA…
        
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        March 31, 2017 6:51pm
      - starboard
        
        You’ve taken a beating again sticky. Accept it. Maori make filthy bad decisions…and guess what sticky…those decisions have nothing to do with the white man…its not whiteys fault ! They are thick..thick as. Homer Simpson thick.
        Its just the way it is..bro.
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:51pm
      - starboard
        
        ..and im more of a mojito man thanks..it doesnt surprise me one bit you freckle punchers are mai thai slurpers
        
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        March 31, 2017 10:26pm
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      BLZ, We all, including Itstricky, know that the leftists are unable to think for themselves, hence why he asks the questions so that they can be enlightened.
      Don’t be so hard on the poor chap, he is just trying to help out his fellows.
      
      Edited to add commas
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:29am
      - MCos
        
        Translation:
        “You leftards think we know fuck nothing, but we know fuck all so fuck you!”
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:51am
    - Ed Snack
      
      I’m with itstricky for a change here, there are causes for the high imprisonment rate for maori and they are worth exploring.
      
      As noted above, I’m of the view that it is entirely cultural as with exceptions, “racial” explanations lack credible evidence. Cultural influences can be very enduring, and can through the agency of sexual selection lead to possible variances in actual genetic inheritance.
      
      And although some individuals can break through cultural barriers, not everyone finds that easy. A widespread change in culture would help, but since the current identity politics driven political landscape actually incentivizes dependent behaviour I can’t see that getting widespread support.
      
      Then again, if itstricky wants to attribute the rates purely to white privilege and racism I’d strongly disagree, but in terms of actually debating the causes I can see value.
      
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      March 31, 2017 10:27am
      - GoVege
        
        Very well put, Ed.
        It’s apparent too that some of the worst parents have the most children.
        Examples: Joseph Thompson, aka the Mangere Rapist, one of 18 children whose father raped his young daughters and rented Joseph out for beer money.
        Nia Glassie”s mum, one of 17 children.
        Murderer Taffy Hotene, the youngest of 13 children.
        If Maori leaders would start urging their people to use contraception instead of parroting the nonsense that “every child is a gift from God”, Maori might have a chance.
        
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        March 31, 2017 12:36pm
      - itstricky
        
        Nope, I don’t want to debate that it is white privilege. Although I don’t agree with some aspects of some of the posts above you’ve pretty much got what I was going for in actually asking “why?” instead of just chucking out slogans, which was the intention of the original question.
        
        Most things can be debated to any level of complexity but most people seem to stop at the level that suits their own predetermined view of how things “should be”.
        
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        March 31, 2017 6:47pm
  - cmm
    
    Well it is obvious. It was caused by the Musket Wars.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:22am
- cmm
  
  I like the use of soft terms like “property offending”. Terms like that are designed to make it sound like the property did the offending and the poor bugger who got caught just happened to be close by.
  
  The same goes for those bullshit terms like “the car crossed the centre line then left the road”. Poor driver was a passive victim.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:18am
  - kowtow
    
    “Property offending” also implies no one was actually hurt , when in fact when your property gets stolen there’s an awful lot of hurt.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:21am
- insider
  
  The whole premise of the article will come as a huge surprise to the large number of NZers doing long stretches overseas on drugs charges.
  
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  March 31, 2017 9:14am
- jonar
  
  You guys know that the Ministry of Justice has appointed someone to look into the problem of Maori being imprisoned at a higher rate than non-Maori because of an unconscious bias.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/84346494/new-zealands-racist-justice-system–our-law-is-not-colourblind
  
  Even the Government acknowledges it. A senior official admitted to Stuff Circuit that unconscious bias in the justice system was a “live issue”.
  
  It’s got to the point where you won’t find anyone arguing about how bad things have got. Stuff Circuit has learned that the Ministry of Justice has appointed a senior official, former district court manager Tony Fisher, specifically to tackle the problem.
  
  Last week, we put to him a figure that showed in 2015, the rate at which Maori were handed down sentences of imprisonment was eight times higher than it was for Pakeha. Fisher paused and said this: “I don’t have those statistics but yes Maori are more likely to be imprisoned than non-Maori, more likely to be prosecuted, more likely to be convicted than non-Maori.
  
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  March 31, 2017 10:48am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Is that because too many maori, per head of population who deem themselves maori, make a career out of crime? With a long list of convictions it is inevitable they will end up in prison. Apparently those criminals keep repeating the same appalling life choices and end back in prison despite help from the government and the private sector helping to deter them in any number of ways.
    
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    March 31, 2017 11:20am
    - jonar
      
      Even the government thinks it’s a problem. Are you saying they’ve got it wrong?
      
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      March 31, 2017 11:50am
    - Paulus
      
      No, it is not a career move it is purely a way of life learned from their parents, and grandparents from their times in jail.
      Simply they do not care as there are no consequences any more.
      Going to jail is where they get to see their whanau and continue to learn their nefarious ways.
      
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      March 31, 2017 1:30pm
krazykiwi

This isn’t really going to help the US citizen imprisoned and doing hard labour in North Korean : NK accuses John McCain of ‘blasphemy’ for calling Kim Jong-un ‘that crazy fat kid’

McCain Bloat Diplomacy!
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March 31, 2017 8:08am
- unaha-closp
  
  Thankfully Gareth Morgan was full of praise for the North Koreans when he did that poverty-porn cycle ride. Imagine if he were sitting in a gulag.
  
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  March 31, 2017 9:56am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Wellingtons cats would have been pleased and wot! No TOP! How sad ?
    
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    March 31, 2017 10:19am
Viking2

Here is a new weather site that is interesting.
an upgrade from what existed.

https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-186.83,-2.80,199

Expands and revolves so you can see the complete globe.
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March 31, 2017 8:12am
- Fletch
  
  Yup, it’s actually been around for a few years now. You can click the controls and look forward in time as well.
  
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  March 31, 2017 11:40am
- cha
  
  Details and keyboard shortcuts.
  
  (shift-i stratosphere is great )
  
  https://earth.nullschool.net/about.html
  
  Been around for a few years, too.
  
  http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/12/18/global_wind_map_cameron_baccario_s_visualization_of_world_weather_patterns.html
  
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  March 31, 2017 11:44am
  - howitis
    
    Now why would a sick knob downtick that?
    🙁
    
    I have used the nullschool for a few years now esp during the big storms in Sydney in early 2016 and cyclone Winston over Fiji at the same time.
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:44pm
cmm

Stuff outstuffing themselves again:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90928825/boy-hit-on-wellington-pedestrian-crossing-that-council-knew-was-dangerous

1) It would appear that the boy was hit while riding over a pedestrian crossing. So he would he culpable too. Pedestrian crossings are specifically designed for people walking – so drivers have time to see them coming and react – not for bikes.

2) Apparently the tyre got manged. Nope, the wheel god mangled – the tyre looks fine. Journalists are supposed to know the meaning of words. Free lesson: tyre is the rubber bit on the outside, the wheel is the whole thing.

4) To bolster the case that this is a dangerous crossing they also dredge up something from a year ago where a jaywalker was hit and killed. Logic?
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March 31, 2017 8:13am
- Viking2
  
  Did you read what you wrote? Dam the edit not working for us ordinary html users.
  
  Perhaps someone with the know how will write a post and tell us all how to change it.
  I mean a real blog post not something to be lost in the thread.
  Thanks in anticipation.
  
  Its a hassel with a website as well.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:17am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Put https:// in front of the www. and then edit works.
    I checked it this morning with my first post in here, just to see if the advice from yesterday works and it does. 🙂
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:24am
- mandk
  
  You’re OTT on this occasion, cmm.
  
  It’s a decent story about a real problem.
  
  The crossings and junctions all the way along Rongotai Road are dangerous, and that particular crossing is probably the most dangerous. You can see from the picture that the crossing is precisely at the point where vehicles come together from three different directions. Drivers are often too busy looking out for other vehicles to be aware of people on the crossing.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:35am
  - cmm
    
    Sure roads can be dangerous, this one particularly so.
    
    That’s why it is a good idea to be cautious around them.
    
    The kid failed here because he rode over a pedestrian crossing without checking for cars. If he wants to be treated like a pedestrian then he should have dismounted from his bike and pushed.
    
    Regardsless of your “rights” on the road, it is always good policy to check anyway.
    
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    March 31, 2017 1:25pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      It will always be Car 1 Cyclist 0
      
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      March 31, 2017 2:08pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Pedestrian crossings are specifically designed for people walking
  
  Agreed. I don’t know the specifics of this case, but in my experience kids on bikes often ride quickly out onto a pedestrian crossings leaving motorists precious little time to stop
  
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  March 31, 2017 11:37am
Manolo

Venezule continues to fall:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-venezuela-politics-idUSKBN17122M

Opposition members of parliament in Venezuela have accused the country’s president of acting like a dictator.

National Assembly leader Julio Borges said President Nicolas Maduro had staged a coup. His remarks follow a decision by the Supreme Count to take over legislative powers from the National Assembly for being in contempt of court.
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March 31, 2017 8:15am
Inandout

Wayne Mapp’s wife is a District Court Judge.

https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/district-court-judge-appointed-19
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March 31, 2017 8:18am
- mikenmild
  
  So?
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:22am
  - Inandout
    
    No dots, just saying. Can’t remember if Wayne Mapp was an effective MP.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:55am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  No, no. I see where you are going with this. The link is not obvious but once you connect the dots it is clear.
  
  She was responsible for the deaths of the Afgani villagers during the botched SAS raid outlined in “Hit and Run”.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:27am
- Paulus
  
  Denise Hanare is a fine judge.
  First knew her at Air NZ many years ago.
  Good Lawyer.
  
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  March 31, 2017 1:33pm
The Virgin

This is why Prune Face is wrong when “claiming” SAS operatives involved in direct action in Afghanistan confided in him
http://m.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11829109
They hold values and an esprit de corp that make Hager look like a 3rd rate collaborator for the Hun in France France.
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March 31, 2017 8:21am
- mikenmild
  
  You don’t think their values might lead to providing information about something they witnessed that was wrong?
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:24am
  - The Virgin
    
    SAS values would involve “closed door” debriefs with Military Leadership, not “blabbing” to a dick like Hager. Give the SAS some credit for integrity and professionalism. Unlike Hager.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:33am
- cmm
  
  To my mind, the worst part of the book I’ve seen is the part of the title after the colon:
  
  “The New Zealand SAS in Afghanistan and the Meaning of Honour”
  
  What the hell would Hager know of honour? And what makes him feel he is an authority on the matter?
  
  Hager has been completely devoid of honour in how he has approached this whole matter.
  
  An honourable person would have fact checked the book with the NZDF. That would also have made this into a more valuable work of journalism than what it is – a sleazy hit piece.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:47am
thedavincimode

… and in this morning’s too funny basket; the skull’s photo of the shell casings corroborates the NZDF Apache version of events. All the slimey little prick had to do was google bullets and he would have discovered a zillion images that would have demonstrated that those casings would never have come from anything any soldier from either side would have fired.
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March 31, 2017 8:24am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  I’m sure Rambo could have held and fired the gun they came from…
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:25am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Fair point; but I think he was in Hollywood at the time.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:28am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Not a fact that would bother Hagar I sure, not too bothered by facts that one
      
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      March 31, 2017 2:11pm
- mikenmild
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Having not read the book, I cannot be sure, but I think the premise is that the NZ troops planned and led the raid, not that they directly inflicted all the casualties on civilians.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:26am
  - thedavincimode
    
    milky, even without reading the book you know very well that all of the spin is directed at SAS pulling triggers. Shooting babies (and likely eating them too at some point were it not for these little hiccups the campaign is suffering)..
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:31am
    - Dafixeruppa
      
      eaten, sauteed in butter with shallots and peppers, just a hint of chilli too.
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:33am
  - thedavincimode
    
    … and I should have added, not just shooting them by mistake, but deliberately as an act of revenge. Let’s not forget that last little morsel from the skull and his little chum.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:36am
  - cmm
    
    mm: “I cannot be sure, but I think the premise is that the NZ troops planned and led the raid, not that they directly inflicted all the casualties on civilians.”
    
    Well if there was no shooting by NZSAS, then showing pictures of spent ammunition is not relevant and is not evidence. It is just fog.
    
    What other imagery is not relevant? We know for instance the emotionally charged book cover is not.
    
    So is the picture of little Fatima relevant? How do we even know that she’s not a photo from a village 500km away?
    
    Basically there has been a barrage of illogically and emotionally charged imagery and “quotes” that looks like something but does not stand together as actual evidence.
    
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    March 31, 2017 1:32pm
- Rachael Membery
  
  Maybe that is a Getty image too, I like a comment that I read regarding that such bullets would not be naturally grouped together, such a shot had to be staged, if original at all.
  
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  March 31, 2017 12:58pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    David Bain has some expertise in this area I believe, do you think he may comment?
    
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    March 31, 2017 2:14pm
oldpark

Seems a reality check for Wellington City Council so called Liebour/Green Party officials. Appears with a stroke of a pen,whether ratepayerss like it or not,the flap jawed Mayor Justin Lester can commit the city for earthquake strengthing an old building to the tune of circa $90,000,000 million dollars. His soon to be out of a job and be installed as a Liebour Party MP a guy called Eagle,said Ratepayers were canvassed and supported the out of control spend to for a building that can hold a maximum amount of 2500 people. Both Lester and Eagle if they did their jobs they were elected for,should have called for a ratepayer referenda to ask which was more serious and worthwhile,solving the traffic grid lock at the MT VICTORIA /BASIN RESERVE o r spending $90million dollars on a tired old building.
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March 31, 2017 8:25am
- wiseowl
  
  Or why is the cost $90 million?
  Seems excessive and when it comes to councils they seem to be fair game to charge as much as possible because sucker ratepayers keep coughing.
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:57am
  - VicParking
    
    Dont forget it also has the Mayors and Councillors offices. No doubt a Nga Fartyoua room as well.
    
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    March 31, 2017 1:32pm
- howitis
  
  Might be time to WTC ‘Building 7’ it
  ie. it mysteriously collapses when a bit of chaos is going on nearby.
  
  Hence, no old junker to repair.
  
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  March 31, 2017 11:06am
peterwn

So the Chairman of Tower Insurance has criticised some Canterbury customers for holding out on settlements to ‘maximise’ their insurance claims leaving Tower with a rump of unsettled claims. Seems typical situation where there is a gap between expectations between insurer and insured and so of course negotiations and standoffs will occur. So the Chairman (who seems to take a hard line in his general dealings) is criticising Tower’s for exercising their consumer rights. It may appease shareholders at Tower’s company AGM, but it does not send out a good message for prospective Tower customers and customers renewing policies. Perhaps Tower will become like the ‘Yes Minister’ hospital – it will have a chair, board and staff but no customers. Re-insurance will no problem as there will be nothing to re-insure.
Disclosure – I used to have Tower policies.
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March 31, 2017 8:26am
Happychappy

You have to laugh at the hypocrisy of Labour and their Secretary Andrew Kiron telling their members that they still needed over $9000 for March to cover their cost to fight the 2017 Election. This is from the same people that are criticizing the Government saying people haven’t got enough money for food, rent, health and other cost to their household as they are not paid enough or the state does not care. Yet here they are forgetting about the poor people and wanting the money that these people haven’t got and showing how much they care by asking them to help pay for Andrew Little to become Prime Minister. A Greal example of need and greed.
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March 31, 2017 8:26am
- jcuknz
  
  I got an e-mail from the greens asking similar ….
  
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  March 31, 2017 10:37am
- GoVege
  
  HC: Labour don’t have lots of rich business supporters to give them money y’know.
  
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  March 31, 2017 12:54pm
  - VicParking
    
    WoW I wonder why?
    
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    March 31, 2017 1:34pm
  - peterwn
    
    Green Party solves this by being mellon-ish. The green layer appeals to donors but not the red side. So the ultra left wingers who make up much of the membership benefit from these donations.
    
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    March 31, 2017 2:50pm
Chuck Bird

I have not got a source but I heard on the radio another inconsistency in Hager’s book. There was picture of a shell casing that was supposed to be from the SAS. It was double the size and must have been from US air support. How many other things have they got wrong?
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March 31, 2017 8:28am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Image and a posting about this on Pete george’s blog.
  https://yournz.org/2017/03/31/cartridge-challenge-to-hit-run-claims/
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:48am
- stigie
  
  I think this book ‘Hit and miss” is a piece of shit and has been rushed out too quickly to get dirt on Key leaving parliament.
  The bloke with a face like a busted grape has so many facts wrong so far, it now makes one wonder if more will turn up.
  If an inquiry was held and was found the NZDF was right, Hager and co will say the inquiry was corrupt anyway !~
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:48am
  - All_on_Red
    
    You don’t want an official inquiry, because then you will have Hager claiming victory because his book forced an inquiry.
    We can’t have that.
    Anyway, looks like the NZDF have already had an inquiry.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:56am
  - Inandout
    
    Jacinta is hanging on Mapp’s statements, that he once saw a documentary.
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:57am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Interesting that the Angry & Airhead team, along with the drunken dwarf and the Green melons have been very silent in recent days on the ‘Hit & Miss’ saga.
    They might all be stupid, but not so stupid that they can’t see which way the wind’s blowing.
    Prune-face’s credibility has been shot down for all time.
    
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    March 31, 2017 9:05am
    - VicParking
      
      Same with the failing newspaper. Its only Red Radio that is happily biting the hand that feeds it
      
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      March 31, 2017 1:36pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Well they got some sales anyway, I guess the Defence Force bought a few.
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:52pm
fernglas

“Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 5h5 hours ago
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The failing @nytimes has disgraced the media world. Gotten me wrong for two solid years. Change libel laws?”

Jolly good. Let’s gag the ones we don’t like. First amendment, anyone?
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March 31, 2017 8:32am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Why not? Left has been doing it for over a decade now.
  
  Just using the Rules for Radicals against the left.
  
  Are you butthurt now that your side is on the receiving end?
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:35am
  - fernglas
    
    Why do you think people have to have a “side”? Is your worldview so narrow that it can’t encompass the notion that there can be both good and bad in politics?
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:39am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Yes, that must be it. It’s my narrow world view that I’m well known for.
      
      Let’s stick to the original question – are you butthurt that Trump is using the left’s methods against them now that he has the power?
      
      If not why not?
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:52am
      - fernglas
        
        Your logic seems to be that it is okay to do something that runs counter to principle if the other “side” has done it first?
        
        The answer to your question, BTW, is No.
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:37am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        That’s just an assumption you made. At no point did I qualify Trumps actions as negative or positive. You get a D for that part of the assignment.
        
        If you are not butthurt, why did you bring up Trumps tweet? In the context of the current political climate I deduce it is to bring our attention to what a bad man Trump is. If that is correct then it is not a long now to draw, that a) you care about what Trump does. B) you dissaprove and therefore are against Trump.
        Taking into account that you care and disaprove, it is highly likely you support the opposite position, which in this case is the left.
        This assumption is further supported by the fact that you take Trumps tweets seriously. No sane person that has no emotional or political investment in the debate would take any tweets, let alone tweets from Trump seriously.
        
        This kind of political arithmetic is quite elementary
        
        Out of interest. Which points am I wrong on. I want to sharpen my deduction skills.
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:47am
  - Ambergris
    
    I get what you are saying and it is rather delicious isn’t it.
    
    Was always taught that two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because those to the left delight in stupidity doesn’t mean that those of us with a more self reliant view of the world should also do s0!
    
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    March 31, 2017 9:12am
    - fernglas
      
      There is a certain irony. The logic that Padriv has set out to infer that I support Trump’s opponents goes thus:
      1) I have expressed disapproval of one thing Trump has done
      
      2) Therefore I disapprove of everything he has done or will do
      
      3) Therefore I support “the opposite faction, which is the left”
      
      That, of course, ignores the fact that Trump’s opposition includes people across a range of political viewpoints, including, as we have just seen, many on the right. It also ignores the fact that people can disapprove, or approve of one aspect of a persons policies or character without necessarily disapproving of every aspect.
      
      So the logical platform for his comment is founded upon two fallacies. The moral platform, i.e. it is acceptable for Trump to do something wrong if the “left” have already done it, is,in my view, questionable.
      
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      March 31, 2017 11:20am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Okay, fair enough.
        
        So if you don’t support Trump and you don’t support the left, what was the point of posting that tweet?
        
        Simply to point out that Trump is as bad as any other politician?
        
        In that case, yes I agree, but we already knew that.
        
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        March 31, 2017 12:53pm
  - jonar
    
    So has the right
    
    http://www.news-journalonline.com/opinion/20161221/rampell-right-shuts-down-free-speech-too
    
    The most recent case involves professor Olga Perez Stable Cox at Orange Coast College in California. An anonymous student in her human sexuality class secretly recorded Cox discussing her political views. She referred to Donald Trump as a “white supremacist,” his running mate Mike Pence “as one of the most anti-gay humans in this country” and their election as an “act of terrorism.”
    Her words were clearly liberal — and hyperbolic, although perhaps not as hyperbolic as they initially seemed: In the days since her “act of terrorism” talk ripped across the Internet, she has received terroristic death threats herself. Cox has since fled the state.
    Meanwhile, the Orange Coast College Republicans — the group that disseminated the gotcha video — is campaigning for her firing. The group’s president said that expunging commentary such as hers from campus is necessary to ensure the college’s commitment to “diversity, equity and inclusivity.”
    If this language sounds familiar, it’s because it’s eerily similar to the pseudo-free-speech rhetoric often used by the left to stamp out words and ideas it dislikes, too.
    Unsurprisingly, conservative pundits convinced that U.S. colleges are leftist indoctrination camps have taken up the Republican students’ cause. Fox News’s Bill O’Reilly referred to the professor’s words as an “assault” on her students — conflating words with physical violence in the same way liberals so often do.
    “Now we have the totalitarian left in America, and if you don’t see it their way, you’re attacked and demonized,” he said, after attacking and demonizing this professor.
    O’Reilly called on governors and legislators to monitor college classrooms more directly to prevent professors from “harming students with insane ideology.”
    This sounds an awful lot like an attempt to coerce educators into using only politician-approved — dare I say “politically correct”? — language.
    
    Beyond campus, Republicans more broadly are almost twice as likely as Democrats to support book bans.
    
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    March 31, 2017 11:39am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Received death threats – probably made them herself to herself. The left has a history of fake hate crimes, and she certainly sounds like an A grade flake.
      
      And in a teacher-student relationship in the classroom she should not be imposing her political views.
      
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      March 31, 2017 2:38pm
- VicParking
  
  First amendments lets you say what you like. Lie or slander and you get your arse sued.
  
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  March 31, 2017 1:38pm
Odakyu-sen

April 1st tomorrow.

Will there be a “Fake News” competition in General Debate, I wonder…
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March 31, 2017 8:45am
- AgentBallSack
  
  …Or you could just read anything Stuff prints.
  
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  March 31, 2017 10:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And then rinse your eyes out with bleach as a penance
    
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    March 31, 2017 10:26am
- kowtow
  
  Ody
  
  Here’s a scary story that should be a joke , once upon a time these labs would have been secure . Meanwhile the wests’ MSM keep screaming Putin Putin Putin. There’s an agenda.
  
  “China’s efforts to lure its scientists back from overseas institutions have been paying off militarily, with more than a little help from the United States.”
  
  http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2082738/americas-hidden-role-chinese-weapons-research
  
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  March 31, 2017 10:36am
- Paulus
  
  Hagar is launching a book tomorrow All Fools Day – blank pages I expect.
  
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  March 31, 2017 1:37pm
Happychappy

Seeing Andrew Little has made a statement that the housing crisis has reached Invercargil I wonder how long it will take him to organize a rally for the homeless as Labour will find reason to say there is hundreds.
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March 31, 2017 9:05am
Inandout

The US Department of Education has been slammed for releasing ‘instructional’ videos which basically rubbishes Christianity and praises Islam. Thankfully these videos have been outed, but this explains how deep the tentacles of Islam have reached into the American education system.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/03/29/department-education-funding-islamic-faith-teaching-materials-christian-action-network
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March 31, 2017 9:12am
Dafixeruppa

I am very concerned about this article in the pile of Stuff today.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90924476/work-and-income-introduces-id-policy-as-dunedin-appointment-turns-ugly
It almost reads like the reporter/copy and paste person actually tried to be balanced.
I wonder if they will be censured and withheld from print as punishment for a while.

Also if the guy is telling the “whole” truth, then this is very concerning. If Work and Income are telling the truth, then it would be interesting to know, since he says he is diabetic, whether perhaps his actions were a result of a medical event and hence why he doesn’t realise how he sounded and acted.
For those that don’t know, a diabetic going low blood sugar can present as a drunk and sometimes even obnoxious.
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March 31, 2017 9:24am
- kowtow
  
  It is not obvious from the story that diabetes played any part in the alleged confrontation. I’m of the view that that has been thrown in to increase the claimants credibilty as a “victim”.
  
  The gummint employs even more guards at Winz offices since the Ashburton shooting. Must be a right shit of a job. Told to ensure the people inside are kept safe , with little or no legal authority and much of it because this gummint passed ridiculous health and safety regulations…….
  
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  March 31, 2017 9:44am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Also so boring as a job, I know one, perhaps it would be more cost effective to train WINZ personnel in self defence. Most of the guards that I have seen do not look ‘trained’, they just look non European. I assume that gives them a natural authority over likely trouble makers.
    The thing with that is that not all clients or trouble makers are non-European, look at Ashburton.
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:48pm
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Plus I believe that often security out number staff.
      
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      March 31, 2017 5:14pm
      - cha
        
        Really?.
        
        The local WINZ office has around sixty staff and two (rostered) security personal.
        
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        March 31, 2017 5:20pm
Manolo

The sorry dividends of Merkel’s catastrophic immigracion policy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4364712/Migrant-charged-raping-murdering-teenage-girl.html

An Afghan migrant has been charged with raping and murdering an EU official’s teenage daughter in Germany.

Hussein Khavari, 22, has been accused of ambushing Maria Ladenburger, 19, as she cycled home after a party, raping her and then drowning her in a river last October.

He was linked through his DNA to medical student Maria, who volunteered at various shelters that house migrants in her spare time in the university city of Freiburg.
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March 31, 2017 9:41am
- AgentBallSack
  
  What’s even worse is the father forgives the guy and is a noted liberal pushing for more diversification. Since it worked so well for his daughter.
  
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  March 31, 2017 10:21am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Nothing wrong with forgiveness – it’s liberating for the forgiver. But there’s plenty wrong with the push for more ‘diversification’. I’m guessing he’s massively conflicted internally.
    
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    March 31, 2017 11:45am
  - Longknives
    
    That speaks volumes of how batshit insane those who support unlimited Islamic Immigration actually are-
    ‘I’m so wracked with Guilt about my Privilege..You can rape and murder my family..’
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:46pm
Michael

mandk
Some pedestrian crossings require more attention than do others and it is up to vehicle driver to make sure they concentrate more when coming up to those particular crossings. One of the crossings I walk across each day is what I would call a tricky one because it is on the edge of a roundabout. So there are vehicles coming from all directions. I am often a little nervous approaching that crossing, specially if there are a lot of vehicles around.
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March 31, 2017 10:40am
- waikatogirl
  
  It is also important the pedestrian crossing give drivers adequate time to see they are intending to use the pedestrian crossings. There are some pedestrians (joggers and on bikes) who consider they have the right to immediately step straight out expecting oncoming cars to stop in less time than physics allows.
  
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  March 31, 2017 11:26am
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Not counting those people that stop at the crossings for a chat!!!!
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:40pm
- G152
  
  Hint:
  Watch out for mad muslim drivers before crossing the road.
  
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  March 31, 2017 12:58pm
- Ashley Schaeffer
  
  I agree with your sentiment Michael, however, putting a pedestrian crossing on the edge of a roundabout is an accident waiting to happen.
  
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  March 31, 2017 1:23pm
Manolo

Will comrade Yoza defend Venezuela’s Maduro?
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-30/venezuela-s-supreme-court-takes-over-national-assembly-duties

Venezuela slid closer toward dictatorship after the country’s Supreme Court gutted the only opposition-run institution — the Congress — seizing its powers and declaring the elected body invalid.

The court’s ruling late on Wednesday night was, in the words of lawmakers, nothing short of a coup. Several opposition leaders called for street demonstrations and other forms of “democratic resistance.”
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March 31, 2017 10:47am
Jack5

Just came across Stephen Franks’s blog piece on Greg O’Connor v. The Possum in the Ohariu electorate.

It’s still good reading.

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/is-greg-oconnor-pretending-to-be-liberal-for-ohariu/
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March 31, 2017 11:06am
cha

We’re off.

Mike Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, has told the Federal Bureau of Investigation and congressional officials investigating the Trump campaign’s potential ties to Russia that he is willing to be interviewed in exchange for a grant of immunity from prosecution, according to officials with knowledge of the matter.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-offers-to-testify-in-exchange-for-immunity-1490912959?mod=e2tw&utm_content=buffer49b5d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
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March 31, 2017 12:05pm
- Fletch
  
  There is more evidence of John Podesta (Hillary’s campaign chairman) having ties to Russia than there is Trump.
  
  Podesta sat on the board of the Putin-connected energy company alongside Russian officials who received $35 million from a Putin-linked Russian government fund as revealed in a 56-page GAI report titled “From Russia with Money: Hillary Clinton, the Russian Reset, and Cronyism.”
  
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  March 31, 2017 12:16pm
  - cha
    
    Over there—>>>>
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:27pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Nice squirrel you have there, Fletch.
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:38pm
    - cha
      
      A squirrel sired by Bannon.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_Accountability_Institute
      
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      March 31, 2017 1:59pm
- cha
  
  Nune’s WH sources fingered.
  
  Cohen-Watnick is not just a person brought to the White House by Michael Flynn. He was on his way out at the behest of Trump’s National Security Adviser Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster. But Cohen-Watnick got a reprieve when he asked Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner to help out:
  
  On Friday, McMaster told the National Security Council’s senior director for intelligence programs, Ezra Cohen-Watnick, that he would be moved to another position in the organization.
  
  The conversation followed weeks of pressure from career officials at the CIA who had expressed reservations about the 30-year-old intelligence operative and pushed for his ouster.
  
  But Cohen-Watnick appealed McMaster’s decision to two influential allies with whom he had forged a relationship while working on Trump’s transition team — White House advisers Steve Bannon and Jared Kushner. They brought the matter to Trump on Sunday, and the president agreed that Cohen-Watnick should remain as the NSC’s intelligence director, according to two people with knowledge of the episode.
  
  Michael Ellis didn’t just work on the staff of the House Intelligence Committee. He was the General Counsel for the committee working directly for Devin Nunes.
  
  Maybe it’s just me, but it all seems a tad….coincidental. The guy who had his job saved by Steve Bannon just happened to come across intelligence reports that supposedly showed members of Trump’s transition team being incidentally intercepted during monitored communications? And then it just happened to be Nunes’s former General Counsel that showed Nunes the information?
  
  Here’s the kicker (at least according to the NY Times story): Nobody on Trump’s team was being monitored:
  
  Officials said the reports consisted primarily of ambassadors and other foreign officials talking about how they were trying to develop contacts within Mr. Trump’s family and inner circle in advance of his inauguration.
  
  http://www.redstate.com/jaycaruso/2017/03/30/devin-nuness-sources-revealed/
  
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  March 31, 2017 12:18pm
  - mikenmild
    
    So the material that allegedly shows surveillance of Trump actually show foreign agents discussing how to influence Trump?
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:40pm
- Ross12
  
  It appears this is another BS article or at least a poorly researched one in the WSJ
  ” there appears to be a discrepancy between the WSJ story, and the letter submitted by Mike Flynn’s lawyer, Robert Kelner, according to which the former National Security Advisor spoke only to the House and Senate Intel Committees, not the FBI and furthermore, nowhere in the letter does it explicitly state that Flynn requested immunity form prosecution.”
  
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-30/mike-flynn-offers-testify-exchange-immunity
  
  The above is part of an Update to the original ZH article.
  
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  March 31, 2017 3:19pm
  - cha
    
    nowhere in the letter does it explicitly state that Flynn requested immunity form prosecution.
    
    Yeah, Flynn didn’t request immunity form [sic] prosecution, he sought assurances against unfair prosecution.
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    March 31, 2017 3:29pm
Stars And Stripes

Phil Goff’s chief of staff resigns
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11829316.
“Auckland Mayor Phil Goff’s chief of staff, Fran Mold, has resigned to take up a job with the United Nations in war-torn South Sudan.
Mold said she had wanted to work overseas in a humanitarian environment and when the opportunity came up “I grabbed it with both hands”.

Might need to be careful Fran or else you might end up grabbing with both hands one of those big black anaconda’s they have over there as they can do some damage.
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March 31, 2017 12:22pm
- mikenmild
  
  The Anaconda is a South American snake, and is not black. Are you drunk?
  
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  March 31, 2017 12:28pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Anaconda is a euphemism MM.
    Usually you are a bit sharper than this or are you only familiar with the little white trouser snake.
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:38pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Wouldn’t it have been better to say straight out that the only reason she could be taking a job in Africa was because she enjoyed large black penises?
      That would have been hilarious.
      
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      March 31, 2017 2:26pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Anaconda is a euphemism MM.
    Usually you are a bit sharper than this or are you only familiar with the little white trouser snake.
    
    PS Damn moderation bug.
    
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    March 31, 2017 12:54pm
- rangitoto
  
  Does it mean hell hole of South Sudan looks great compared to working for Goof.
  
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  March 31, 2017 12:52pm
  - Rachael Membery
    
    Head hunted by Shearer?
    
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    March 31, 2017 1:54pm
Manolo

General invasion of Europe!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4365870/Over-ONE-MILLION-migrants-pipeline-Libya.html

More than 1million migrants are ‘in the pipeline’ in Libya hoping to cross to Europe, a senior diplomat has warned.

Joseph Walker-Cousins, former head of the British Embassy Office in Benghazi, said refugees were massing in the war-torn country having fled conflict and poverty.
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March 31, 2017 12:28pm
krazykiwi

I had expected the U.N. to turn on the US now that Trump has de-funded some programs, and his government now standing up to the despots and dictators in the face of their continual abuse of Israel.
So while we have heavy handed response to protests is Venezuela, Belarus, Paris, India, Russia, and others countries, UN experts see ‘alarming, undemocratic’ US trend against free speech, protest.
If I were a career protester, I’d rate my chances of (a) being allowed to protest, and (b) not being killed by police as somewhat better in the US vs many, many other countries.
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March 31, 2017 12:32pm
cmm

What have we become that animal remains are “distressing”?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/91047033/unidentifiable-animal-remains-found-partially-buried-on-auckland-beach

Until the 1960s or so, even townies would kill their own poultry, pigs etc.

My grandmother was a young child in Canada in the early 1900s. She and the the other kids would help loading clubbed seals onto the sleds and nobody needed therapy.

Now we freak out and get distressed by a few bones.

How pathetic.
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March 31, 2017 1:11pm
- Manolo
  
  Politically-correct wimps?
  
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  March 31, 2017 1:25pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  What’s worst.
  Buried on the beach or deep fried at the Golden Dragon Takeaway?.
  
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  March 31, 2017 1:33pm
Manolo

Muslim barbarians were planning to destroy the Rialto bridge:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/30/italian-police-break-alleged-jihadist-cell-planned-attack-venices/

Italian police broke up an alleged jihadist cell in Venice who had celebrated last week’s terrorist attack in London and planned to blow up the city’s famous Rialto Bridge in the hope of killing hundreds of tourists.
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March 31, 2017 1:33pm
- Ashley Schaeffer
  
  How long can the authorities keep up their game of whack-a-mole? It’s only a matter of time before the next successful attack.
  
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  March 31, 2017 1:43pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Whack a Muslim instead, got to get the jihadi bastard sooner or later, sooner is better!
    
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    March 31, 2017 2:25pm
- mikenmild
  
  Muslim barbarians were planning to destroy the Rialto bridge
  
  Amateurs. Everyone knows that you need proper air power to destroy historic buildings on a truly impressive scale.
  
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  March 31, 2017 2:29pm
  - Jack5
    
    ISIL didn’t need air power to devastate Palmyra.
    
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    March 31, 2017 2:36pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Not that impressive really. I’m thinking more of Europe 1939-45.
      
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      March 31, 2017 2:38pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    The Taliban didn’t need air power to destroy those priceless ancient Buddhist statues either. But I guess that’s alright with you isn’t it ? To think otherwise is surely Islamophobic.
    
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    March 31, 2017 2:43pm
rightoverlabour

So when people ask about Ethnic Prison Stats, maybe this enlightens us a bit….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/91047946/jamie-te-hiko-not-only-family-member-to-have-killed-a-woman
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March 31, 2017 2:19pm
Chuck Bird

Oranga Tamariki Can’t Fix The Real Issue

Why do successive governments fail to do anything effective about child abuse. Research shows that family structure does make a difference.

One point worth quoting is

The high rates of single, step or blended families among Maori present a much more compelling reason for disproportionate child abuse incidence than either colonisation or unemployment, but like non-Maori, Maori children with two-parent working families have very low abuse rates.

https://www.familyfirst.org.nz/2017/03/oranga-tamariki-cant-fix-the-real-issue/

Is this government worried that talking of family structure and marriage will upset to many liberals?
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March 31, 2017 2:21pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Is this government worried that talking of family structure and marriage will upset to many liberals
  
  Yes, I expect that’s part of the reason. There is ample scientific research showing a direct link between incidents of child injury and death and an absence of birth parents in a child’s life. Seem to recall linking to this a while back. Table 2 on page 5 is particularly revealing.
  
  It’s time our government started front-footing this issue.
  
  Highlighting an idea situation (both birth parents caring for their offspring) is in no way demeaning of parent who find themselves in a different situation. It’s just being honest, and once we’re honest about this stuff, planning and policy can help make it more achievable.
  
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  March 31, 2017 5:13pm
DifferentPerspective

Mediocre columnist criticises …… other mediocre columnists ….. gives them tips …. on how not to be ….. a mediocre columnist

(And in her own phrase – shoots herself up the ass with a rainbow – I kid you not!)

Continuing her unbroken series of utterly vile and retarded attacks on anyone who isn’t her – the Spinoff’s Parent columnist Emily Writes has another . href=http://thespinoff.co.nz/parenting/20-03-2017/how-to-get-clicks-and-make-a-name-for-yourself-as-a-columnist-by-slamming-parents-and-being-an-asshole/>one of her hate-fuelled, vitriolic and sanctimonious rants about wholly inferior untermenschen (ie people that don’t agree with her).

After calling people “assholes” she displays staggering lack of self-awareness by criticising people for “Angry, divisive clickbait” (kind of like everything Emily Writes er … writes).

Apparently if anyone has ever criticised any parent (play sound of heavenly harps and choral sounds) ever in print they are the lowest of the low gutter alternative facts scum.

The hilarious thing is she provides the best ever catalogue of the inconsiderate, selfish things that parents do without a thought in the world for those around themselves from time to time.

Her angry, divisive clickbait column achieves exactly the opposite to what she desires (a free pass for any parent who shits on the privacy/enjoyment of others around them) and brings to mind once again how appallingly bad some sanctimonious and entitled parents can behave towards others.

Clearly having written her mediocre column, she follows step 4 of her own advice to mediocre columnists and she retires, having put all those inferiors who aren’t Emily Writes feeling too, like she’d “been shot up the ass with a rainbow”.
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March 31, 2017 2:35pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  I would’ve edited the typo in the hyperlink – but the editor function is still … welll …. shot up the ass with a rainbow too
  
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  March 31, 2017 2:36pm
- cha
  
  You need to close your tags
  
  Also, https:// allows editing
  
  https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_31_march_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1901876
  
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  March 31, 2017 2:39pm
Manolo

Lighten up:
A man received a message from his neighbour. “Sorry sir, I am using your wife, day and night, when you are not present at home. In fact, much more than you do…

I confess this now because I am feeling very much guilty. I hope you will accept my sincere apologies.”

The man shot the wife…

A few minutes later he received another message:
“Fucking auto-correct: wifi, not wife”.
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March 31, 2017 2:54pm
Michael

Ashley
Re pedestrian crossing at edge of roundabout. Yes, probably sounds like a mistake, but in actual fact it is probably in the best spot. It leads directly to the local suburb village. Now if was placed , say, further along the street then I would think quite a few pedestrians would be tempted not to use it because they would have to walk along to it and then walk back after crossing it. I haven’t heard of any pedestrian being hit on it, but probably a few close shaves. There is a break in the centre where one can stop and recheck.
The vehicle drivers just have to stay alert as do the pedestrians. Sometimes I have had driver go through without stopping for me , only paying attention to the other vehicles and not the pedestrian. I call it driving without due care and attention.
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March 31, 2017 3:03pm
- SPC
  
  The Upper Hutt is testing this at the moment, moving a crossing closer to a roundabout.
  
  The crossing was mid-point between two places (the more confident and able-bodied) people island hop across the road (from the rail station towards the urban centre). Probably the best place for it. The point of the change escapes me.
  
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  March 31, 2017 4:08pm
- stiglet
  
  There are plenty of instances of crossings near roundabouts in Henderson. The problem being that anything more than light pedestrian flow causes a complete blockage through the roundabout in all directions. Is this by design…..
  
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  March 31, 2017 5:33pm
Chuck Bird

I had a look at the photo but cannot be sure is Stokes is pregnant again or just overweight. I thought she was pregnant in 2015 at the time of the murder. Her comment about always loving the scumbag who murdered her baby is disturbing.

Ihaka Stokes’ mum posts nightclub photos hours after guilty verdicts

She posted photos of her and Taylor, along with messages of: “I will always love you”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11829465
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March 31, 2017 4:33pm
- Northland Wahine
  
  I thought the same too. If so, I hope to hell baby is uplifted as soon as baby is born. Regardless, her behaviour screams something is very amiss with the verdict.
  
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  March 31, 2017 4:54pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I think the verdict was right NW, but these were clearly two very dysfunctional people, who were totally ill-equipped for the demands of caring for a young child.
    
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    March 31, 2017 7:30pm
    - Northland Wahine
      
      I dunno KS. I can see this verdict being challenged. Sure, I think he was most likely a crap parent and paid a huge part in her neglect but not sure he was the main reason for the child’s death. Null point really. Another dead baby…
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:29pm
- Longknives
  
  I’m actually amazed at the shock from people regarding her behaviour- Feral Scum will always behave like Feral Scum! It’s quite simply what they do..
  Worth remembering these people do not operate or think like normal,civilised members of society- Nor do they care about their poor,unfortunate children as anything more than a meal ticket from WINZ..
  The only solution is to somehow stop them having more children.
  
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  March 31, 2017 5:59pm
  - Inandout
    
    You will easily be called a Nazi if you suggest that solution. Their offspring are future socialist voters.
    
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    March 31, 2017 6:38pm
    - Northland Wahine
      
      You seriously think the likes of this mother knows how to vote? I doubt she’ll ever see the inside of a voting booth. And sadly, for all the wrong reasons, any future offspring won’t either. Just complain regardless who is in government.
      
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      March 31, 2017 8:25pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Easiest way for a woman to minimise prison time is to get pregnant.
  
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  March 31, 2017 6:13pm
SPC

BJP (Hindu nationalist) win Utter Pradesh election and now ban the sale of cow meat. Consumption of which is associated with Moslems.

But the new regime is impacting on all slaughter houses and outlets selling goat, sheep, and chicken – often stock owned by and consumed by Hindus. Thus is in impact an assault on Moslem run businesses.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-39427552
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March 31, 2017 5:00pm
- nasska
  
  No doubt this will herald another round of bloodshed as two groups of nutters fight it out to see who has the best imaginary friend.
  
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  March 31, 2017 5:18pm
krazykiwi

The next time someone shrieks about Big Oil funding this or that climate denier program, remind them that the US Government Accountability Office (GAO) estimates the federal government spent $77 billion from 2008 to 2013 on climate programs.

There is so much public and private money chasing the climate doom theory, than any spending on legitimate climate science is statistically inconsequential.
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March 31, 2017 5:02pm
- nasska
  
  Gaia has you lined up for the next thunderbolt! 🙂
  
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  March 31, 2017 5:20pm
- Kea
  
  Chicken feed. The spin off green industry and marketing are worth Trillions globally. Climate change is where the real money is at.
  
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  March 31, 2017 5:48pm
wiseowl

Typhoid outbreak in Auckland.
Could be in Mt Roskill.
The stephie boys will be shitting themselves.
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March 31, 2017 6:45pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The stephie boys will be shitting themselves
  
  or maybe they won’t…
  Constipation is more common than diarrhoea in adults and older children
  http://www.who.int/ith/diseases/typhoidfever/en/
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:22pm
Kea

23. March 2017
Scientific Papers Predict

Cooling In Coming Decades

A new scientific paper authored by seven scientists affiliated with the Russian Academy of Sciences was just published in the scientific journal Bulletin of the Russian Academy of Sciences: Physics.

The scientists dismiss both “greenhouse gases” and variations in the Sun’s irradiance as significant climate drivers, and instead embrace cloud cover variations — modulated by cosmic ray flux — as a dominant contributor to climate change.

A concise summary: As cosmic ray flux increases, more clouds are formed on a global scale. More global-scale cloud cover means more solar radiation is correspondingly blocked from reaching the Earth’s surface (oceans). With an increase in global cloud cover projected for the coming decades (using trend analysis), a global cooling is predicted.

– See more at: http://notrickszone.com/2017/03/23/russian-scientists-dismiss-co2-forcing-predict-decades-of-cooling-connect-cosmic-ray-flux-to-climate/#sthash.suxAFF7U.dpuf
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March 31, 2017 8:10pm
Kea

That’s our boy. He has been busy telling whoopers about the weather all over the www 🙂

“Don’t feed the troll.”

First Griff is always polite. He has been bad mouthed but remains civil.
I hope he is paid. And I hope we are causing his paymaster to break his budget.

Griff if you are a paid troll I hope my response helps get you a good meal and pint at your favorite Pub.

Of cause you are still wrong.

michael

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/23/state-of-the-climate-2016-based-exclusively-on-observations/
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March 31, 2017 8:16pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I hit your link and there it is “Griff”. Getting abused by the scientists who know their stuff. And I thought I was hard on him. Good to see he is getting his daily dose of abuse. And he doesn’t present any climate credentials there either. The link is a very good read and is in plain English.
  
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  March 31, 2017 10:42pm
nasska

It’s well known that the sandwich is named after the John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich. And his wife, and his best mate.
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March 31, 2017 8:50pm
- Kea
  
  Lifeless bunch tonight nasska. Breaks my heart what the “standards” have done to KB. Anyone who marches out of step is thrown in the gulag. The latest purge has been against the mentally ill with Griff and stephiboy in solitary.
  
  Dark times mate 🙂
  
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  March 31, 2017 8:57pm
  - Harriet
    
    “…It’s well known that the sandwich is named after the John Montagu, 4th Earl of Sandwich….”
    
    It’s well known that the sandwich is named after Kea, Nasska, Divincimode.
    
    There.Fixed. 😎
    
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    March 31, 2017 8:59pm
  - nasska
    
    From what I’ve seen during my time on KB far more commenters have packed it because of peer pressure than DPF’s has ever banned.
    
    Griff will be back…..so will stephieboy. If you want to stick around I reckon that after nine times on the naughty step you’ll have a fair idea of what you can say & what you can’t. 🙂
    
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    March 31, 2017 9:08pm
    - Kea
      
      There is zero rhyme or reason to why people get strikes other than the beliefs they hold. I won’t be changing mine for a bunch of religious nut jobs and intellectual cripples.
      
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      March 31, 2017 9:16pm
      - nasska
        
        You don’t have to. Just don’t rise to the bait you’ll be offered over the next few months.
        
        Live to fight another day. 🙂
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:20pm
      - Kea
        
        “bait”
        
        Oh they wouldn’t do that would they nasska :1: ? 🙂
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:21pm
    - Harriet
      
      I’ve been here for 4-5yrs now I suppose but I didn’t know you’ve been binned 9 times? I did get binned twice at the start but that’s understandable as you don’t know the limits; once for suggesting DPF represent himself crudely in front of a public submission, and once for abusing Ryan Sproull.
      
      I remember when you did time for that joke about the Labour leaders and the chair 😎 that was fucking funny but I thought DPF would have let it pass.
      
      Griff and stephie wouldn’t be to far away they’ll be back.
      
      Got banned at the Standard for life by micky — his first ever — for defending Israel — I wasn’t commenting or replying to anyone let alone abusing anyone — he simply didn’t like my arguments about Israel being moral in war. Says a lot about him and the left. Just remembered – I’m gonna check out Red’s blog, I forgot about that.
      
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      March 31, 2017 9:25pm
      - Kea
        
        Harriet the Standard is hilarious. They ban people then write abusive expletive ridden posts about them. You simply need an opposing point a view and you are out.
        
        You are totally wrong about Israel of course, but I want your wrongness on show 😉
        
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        March 31, 2017 9:29pm
Harriet

What did griff and stephie get done for?
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March 31, 2017 9:03pm
- nasska
  
  Stephie got a bit abusive & Griff was upset about the weather.
  
  Just the usual. 🙂
  
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  March 31, 2017 9:14pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Wasn’t stephie banned for using a girl’s name when he’s a boy and Griff for wanting to do the same?
    
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    March 31, 2017 9:20pm
    - Kea
      
      “Wasn’t stephie banned for using a girl’s name when he’s a boy and Griff for wanting to do the same?”
      
      No milky that all changed with the passing of the : Compulsory Sodomy and Gay Marriage to Undermine the Church Act.
      
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      March 31, 2017 9:24pm
- Kea
  
  Stuff all. The strike on stephieboy was random and uncalled for. Griff thought the weather might change and got a bit emotional.
  
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  March 31, 2017 9:20pm
stigie

At the Stranded, the moderators abuse you first before they ban you, fucking hilarious twats !~
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March 31, 2017 10:08pm
- Kea
  
  Wander over and say something uncomplimentary about the Klarken Beast then see what happens. They also move posts off the thread you commented on and dump them into Open Mike. They leave an abusive rant where your post was.
  
  They do a great job of making Labour unelectable 🙂
  
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  March 31, 2017 10:28pm
Manolo

Out with the scum:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/30/sessions-moves-to-quickly-deport-imprisoned-immigrants/
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April 1, 2017 6:52am
Manolo

Predicting a brighter economic future for Europe. Could be true?
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/31/europe-is-suddenly-the-hot-new-trade-in-the-stock-market.html
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