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Keeping Stock

Hooray!
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March 28, 2017 8:02am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I managed to beat William of Ockham 😎
  
  PS: The edit function is still not working DPF.
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:04am
  - Biscuit
    
    Congrats, Keeping Stock…
    
    A fine achievement…
    
    What colour ribbon do you want for your OSWoO* medal?
    
    We seem to have a surplus of the Penny Puce stock…
    
    *Official Slayer of the William Of Ockham
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:35am
niggly

Regarding Hager and Stephenson’s hit-job on the SAS and the NZDF’s Chief of Defence Force (General Keating) comprehensive explanation yesterday that discredited Hager’s and Stephenson’s claims. Note that the Defence chief talked about the SAS being involved in a different village called Tirgiran and has geo-coordinate proof.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/327574/hit-and-run-authors-dispute-nzdf-account

I think Hager and Stephenson’s incorrect account (of alledging the SAS attacked two villages called Khak Khuday Dad and Naik) is due to them being “had” by the villagers of these two places.

The Defence Chief mentioned I the press conference yesterday that when there are coalition strikes, it’s not uncommon for Afghan villagers to make “claims”. He didn’t elaborate much further, but it seems to me this is what happened. Stpehenson has stated that he never went to those two villages in the book (neither had Hager), instead he met villages representatives somewhere else in Afghanisatn and they told him “their story”.

Now of course Stephenson had written comprehensively a few years ago about “botched SAS raids” so presumably when this opportunity to meet some unhappy villagers arose claiming they had been attacked, he must have (or wanted to) put 2 + 2 together to give him the lottery win to back up his previous narratives. Hey presto this became the basis of “Hit and Run”. (It could be case that the villagers were actually attacked but possibly on a different occasion? If so and judging by the alleged damage and casualties perhaps they were attacked by Afghan forces (maybe with US assistance), but the villagers conflated their story once gullible guilt-ridden journalists like Stephenson became involved)??

So I think Stephenson, Hager and Deorah Manning (doning a full burka) MUST go to meet these villagers in their real villages of Khak Khuday Dad and Naik to verify the villager’s claims. Oh and don’t expect any protection from the “killer” SAS or NZDF, yup just go yourselves since they know what’s best.

Despite being discredited yesterday I see Hager is still calling for an inquiry. Oh yeah let’s definitely have an inquiry allright. Let’s have an inquiry into the collusion between Hager, Stephenson and human rights lawyer on how they got it so wrong and how they went about colluding to make their Hit job on the NZDF/SAS.

Perhaps there might be a phrase for this, something like Dirty Advocacy Journalism or something?

Then perhaps as a result I wonder if the NZDF could sue Hager, Stepenson and now Deborah Manning for demafation? These turkeys were claiming that the SAS sought “revenge” and were complicit in “war crimes”, when nothing could be further from the truth – the SAS are professional and would do no such thing. The Defence Chief stated yesteray their were lawyers present during the sAS raid on Tirgiran village to ensure all was above board.

Finally a brickbat for the MSM today, Radio NZ’s Benedict Collins had an awefully biased news peice on Morning Report ignoring Hager and Stepenson being proved wrong and instead concentrated on alledged civilan casualties and even linked that (incorrectly) to the two wrong villages in Hager’s book called Khak Khuday Dad and Naik. I wonder if such sloppy reporters like him should be sued for defamation also, when it is perfectly clear what Benedict Collins wrote about was nothing more than pro-Hager spin?
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March 28, 2017 8:05am
- niggly
  
  Mind you perhaps the likes of Benedict Collins isn’t to blame, I see Hager is now spinning anything the Defence Chief said yesterday to spuriously link it back to Hager’s book (eg Defence Chief said SAS only fired 2 bullets at Tirgiran village to “vindicate” Hager/Stepensons claims that the SAS were firing!
  
  Sheesh expect more of this today from a desperate Hager and Stephenson and some of the compliant MSM!
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:10am
  - oldpark
    
    In essence a “FAKE NEWS” book,figures. Seems Hager got away with printing stolen personal emails belonging to Cameron Slater,and sold them for profit. This time karma is catching up with “FAKE NEWS” Hager.
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:24am
  - Paulus
    
    I prefer “Tusitala” the teller of tales.
    Buried in Samoa.
    Robert Louis Stevenson – no relation of course
    More enjoyable tales too !
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:35am
- Keeping Stock
  
  If it comes down to a credibility contest between Nicky Hager and Lt Gen Tim Keating, I’m going with the latter, and it’s not even close. Keating wins in a landslide, as Hager’s previous agenda-driven, politically motivated books precede him.
  
  I had to laugh yesterday when I heard Hager quoted as saying that NZDF has to prove his allegations wrong. Has Hager never heard of the presumption of innocence? If proof is required, it is up to Hager and Stephenson to provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt that what they are alleging actually happened. At the moment they can’t even place the alleged SAS “war criminals” in the alleged town where the alleged “war crimes” took place.
  
  Keep up the good work Lt Gen Keating, and all those under your command. It’s great to know that New Zealand is in such reliable hands.
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:19am
  - Paulus
    
    Understand the whole “story” was aimed at John Key but he stuffed them too.
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:36am
    - kowtow
      
      So was this Tremaine cartoon.
      
      http://garrick-tremain.squarespace.com/cartoons/
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:12am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Would I be right in assuming that Garrick Tremaine doesn’t have much time for the current government? The Key one is sick, and the Little/Hagaman one is nothing more than a personal attack on an elderly man’s appearance. It’s not remotely funny.
        
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        March 28, 2017 11:03am
  - rangitoto
    
    Had to laugh after the DF smashing of Hagar’s claims, the media then came out with another hit job attempt claiming the soldiers weren’t supplied with propoer boots.
    
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    March 28, 2017 9:57am
  - Kimbo
    
    I had to laugh yesterday when I heard Hager quoted as saying that NZDF has to prove his allegations wrong. Has Hager never heard of the presumption of innocence?
    
    In a court, yes, but that is not the purpose of an enquiry. Instead, they try and discover what happened, on the balance of probabilities. And, in theory, and at face value Hager and Stephenson’s claims at least merit consideration for an independent enquiry.
    
    However, as per Hager’s challenge, whether he stated or implied it, it is impossible to disprove a negative! Hence the NZDF have, rightly, said that it is impossible to rule out the possibility of civilian casualties. Of course that is teh case, nothing could or should be ruled out in, including in a dynamic situation like armed conflict.
    
    Contrast that, though, with the sheer arrogance and hubris of Stephenson’s statement, in reply to NZDF responses:
    
    “We’re absolutely confident we’re right, no question about it.”
    
    The information came from “multiple, multiple sources”, Stephenson said.
    
    In a statement sent to media on Sunday night, the authors say it’s “actually impossible that the story is wrong”.
    
    “The NZDF press release is simply incorrect and implausible. To be true, it would require an identical raid by identical forces, using identical helicopters, on identical targets at the same time,” the statement says.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/90857341/bill-english-and-gerry-brownlee-to-discuss-sas-afghanistan-raid-at-briefing
    
    Really?! (justified adverb!). No chance your sources are wrong/mistaken/a source of malevolently intended propaganda/your “corroboration” is mistaken? None whatsoever?! Sorry, but even if it is shown at some later point that their allegations are correct, that statement alone is, by definition, an over-egged pudding.
    
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    March 28, 2017 10:03am
    - Kabull
      
      But Hager can never be wrong …
      
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      March 28, 2017 11:53am
      - SPC
        
        And the other side of the coin, he can never be right.
        
        Depends who calls, and who does not – but either way, never wins a coin toss.
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:26pm
- G152
  
  Brings to mind the term ‘journalistic license’ with this bit of an attempted hit and then the sound of running snow flakes.
  Sue them
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  Anyone else get the feeling that it must be a cottage industry in Afghanistan to claim compo from the coalition forces there?
  No shortage of western journos and legal types chasing that particular ambulance either.
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:28am
- MCos
  
  “I wonder if the NZDF could sue . . . Stepenson . . . for demafation (sic)”
  That’s how the guy makes a living!
  
  “These turkeys were claiming that the SAS . . . . . were complicit in war crimes”
  I don’t have a copy of the book and haven’t heard everything that these ‘turkeys’ have said, but I don’t think that’s quite right. I think it’s more have along the lines of ‘may have been complicit’. Big difference
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    IN UK a so called journalist was sued for similar false story.
    He is now out of work and bankrupt.
    Go for it !
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:37am
  - peterwn
    
    Corporate can only sue for defamation if pecuniary loss is shown. AFAIK Government agencies and the like cannot be sued for defamation. NZDF could possibly sue via individuals but the Solicitor General would need to concur and probably take the case on.
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:47am
    - MCos
      
      Last time Stepenson sued themi, and won.
      The guy’s not to be underestimated.
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:13am
      - ztev
        
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        There is also a ‘cottage industry’ in alternative facts, which main aim is to blur and distract and when the final truth comes out, every one has moved on.
        Key was a master at this , often claiming different facts. Guess who was his press secretary for his first 6 years or so and is now the ‘Communications advisor to General Keating.
        Kevin Taylor
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:25am
      - MCos
        
        That Defence Force bloke in his uniform can look grim in front of the camera and rattle his sabre knowing most people want to believe him even when the story changes, because Kiwis can’t bear the thought of a corrupt SAS or Defence in general.
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:47am
- mara
  
  Afghans will always tell you what they know you want to ” know” but only after you have paid them. Old Afghan custom.
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:41am
  - holysheet
    
    It works well for all lefties and snowflakes here too
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:56am
  - MCos
    
    Worked well for J.K.Rowling, too
    
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    March 28, 2017 9:29am
  - MCos
    
    Works well for people like Hannity, Limbaugh, who make mega bucks by telling people what they want to hear.
    I’m not even convinced they believe what they say themselves . . . .
    
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    March 28, 2017 9:36am
oldpark

Surely not. TVNZ news outlet indicted by Broadcasting Standards Authority for putting the boot into Israel over Gaza. It has been established that their news room of circa 230 employees seemed to infer that the Israel presence was illegal,in fact the news broadcast was “FAKE NEWS”. One would have thought, that a taxpayer funded Television company with 670 employees could justify their existence. Of course not so long ago they were caught allowing the Liebour Party to hold political meetings in taxpayer owned buildings.
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March 28, 2017 8:11am
- ztev
  
  It was claimed the ‘sea blockade’ was illegal. Israel of course has no presence in Gaza.
  
  The BSA only said the ‘legality was contested’ and the report should have made that point.
  The legality of the blockade was a contentious and unresolved issue, with two UN reports taking conflicting positions on the point.
  
  Even the complainant Ms Moses would have been happy with ‘disputed’
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:37am
EAD

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I find it interesting that there has been very little discussion on Kiwiblog, and how quickly the MSM buried the story of the Jewish man arrested for making “Anti-Semitic” bomb hoaxes here in NZ. I wonder if it is because mant people on here consider it an inconvenient fact or in the case of lefties, who follow what I call the “Susan Devoy” doctrine that only White Men can be guilty.

~~Truth Telling~~ “Far right Nazi Hate site”, The Daily Stormer used to have a weekly report called What ya doing now Rabbi? that used to report soley on the Jewish False Flags of Jewish people making up stories and framing Whitey for the purpose of keeping Whitey unquestioning of Jewish actions and maintain the “Oy Vey we’re so persecuted” mentality (of which, when you think about it is laughable considering they’re the wealthiest demographic in the world and one can get arrested merely for the crime of “anti-semitism”) of the tribe.

Just how common are these Jewish hoaxes that they pull in order to maintain their illusion of victimhood? A quick Google search reveals numerous stories. Of course there are a lot more links but given many people’s incredibly (selective depending on subject) high bar they set about what “sources” one can use on such topics, I had to remove a lot of stories from anything that could be used against me to “prove” I’m a so called anti-semite rather than just very observant and not cowed by the prevailing orthodoxies?

Jewish Man Arrested For Spraying His Own Home With Swastika Graffiti And Falsely Reporting “Racist” Vandalism

http://www.syracuse.com/state/index.ssf/2017/03/jewish_man_arrested_after_spray_painting_swastikas_on_his_own_home_in_upstate_ny.html#incart_river_home

NYPD: Dozens Of Jewish Cemetery Headstones Were Toppled Due To Neglect, Soil Erosion And Wind, NOT Due To Reported Vandalism

http://ijr.com/2017/03/818151-nypd-finds-no-vandalism-in-toppled-headstones-at-jewish-cemetery-city-official-says-theyre-wrong/

Jewish College Student Caught Painting Swastikas On Her Own Dorm Door

http://www.jta.org/2007/11/06/news-opinion/jewish-student-behind-some-dorm-swastikas

France: Jewish Activist Caught Spray Painting “Anti-Semitic” Graffiti On 20 Cars

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/02/11/caught-the-backstory-on-the-paris-anti-semitism-hoax/

Jewish Man Arrested For Posting Swastikas On Doors And Making Threatening Calls To Jewish Women

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/9019394/Jewish-man-arrested-after-posting-swastikas-on-doors.html

Jewish Congregant Spray Painted “Anti-Semitic” Writing On Synagogue And School

http://www.vosizneias.com/21184/2008/10/07/baltimore-md-police-arrest-3-for-racist-writing-at-synagogues/

Now, who’s up for a debate about what I’ve stated and where I’m wrong or will it just be the usual smears and downticks?
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March 28, 2017 8:18am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Painting yourself as a perennial victim now EAD?
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:25am
  - EAD
    
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    No I’m not Keeping Stock, why are you changing what I said – Do you not find that a bit disingenuous and intellectually dishonest?
    
    I would be the last person in the world to play a sympathy card.
    
    Rather than shoot the messenger, what’s your view on Jewish people telling stories, blaming Whitey in order to garner sympathy?
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:33am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      “Now, who’s up for a debate about what I’ve stated and where I’m wrong or will it just be the usual smears and downticks?” certainly sounds like victim-framing to me; just sayin’
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:08am
      - EAD
        
        So requesting somebody actually debate the points I made is “victim framing”?
        
        You sure your not making this up as you go along KS or are you really a SJW posing as a National Party Supporter? 🙂
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:32am
      - itstricky
        
        No. You, however, said “usual smears and downticks” which is playing the victim. That’s why it was highlighted by KS. Not sure why that needed to be pointed out again.
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:46am
      - Keeping Stock
        
        Exactly itstricky. I thought that would have been self-evident to EAD, but he clearly needs it explained to him.
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:32pm
  - Kea
    
    EAD, notice how the zionist bigots like KS have nothing but weasel words and personal attacks ?
    
    Its is because they know they are wrong, but carry on anyway. Maybe virtue signalling, or maybe they think they will secure a place in heaven by supporting the chosen ones, even if they do wrong.
    
    ➡ The fact is a Jew made bomb hoaxes here in NZ and overseas, to incite anti Muslim hatred, and appeal to the popular Jews-as-victims narrative.
    
    Jews have a long history of doing this and carried out terrorist attacks, same the Muslims, until they got what they wanted. Now days they have the USA and other goyim do the dirty work for them.
    
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    March 28, 2017 12:49pm
    - SPC
      
      How is it both – against white people and an attempt to incite anti-Moslem hate?
      
      Have you confused EAD’s narrative because you are not as white as he is and while you share a paranoia about Jews, it has a different source?
      
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      March 28, 2017 1:07pm
- mikenmild
  
  Just remember, everyone, it’s not a ‘smear’ to call EAD a Nazi, because that’s what he proudly calls himself.
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:26am
  - EAD
    
    No MM – I call myself a National Socialist. “Nazi” is a term invented by the Communists as a smear for the German National Socialists.
    
    Depending on the point somebody is trying to paint – an organisation that is laughably argued as either “far right” or “far left” depending rather than “anti-globalist” which is the real truth (which is why they’re held up by those pushing an agenda as the ultimate example of evil who funnily enough never mention the Bolsheviks) 🙂
    
    http://www.timesofisrael.com/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish/
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:36am
    - mikenmild
      
      Funny that you should try to paint yourself and other Nazis as ‘anti-globalist’, when your idol Hitler aspired to rule the world.
      
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      March 28, 2017 8:40am
      - EAD
        
        “He aspired to rule the world”
        
        Is thay what they call defeating the menace of International Bolshevism these days?
        
        Have you ever stopped to consider the lunacy of your post in light of the fact that he had assembled the most multiculti army the world has ever seen including 150,000 Jews?
        
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        March 28, 2017 8:53am
      - Kea
        
        milky, other people get banned for even – hinting – someone might be a nazi.
        
        Question: How come you don’t get banned?
        
        Answer:
        a. Because you have the approved view of the chosen ones.
        b. Only those with no integrity run to DPF and squeal.
        
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        March 28, 2017 12:53pm
      - SPC
        
        Because EAD came out …
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:02pm
    - ztev
      
      The nazis liked the abbreviation nazi at first but then changed.
      Since its taken from the way the germans pronounce the first part of Nationalsozialistische its fine.
      “I call myself a National Socialist”
      
      Its like Communists not liking the word ‘commie’
      Get over it!
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:43am
- SPC
  
  They are hardly a Jewish false flag operation if the individuals are not acting in concert. Nor is it for any particular purpose if disparate individuals are involved.
  
  As to the psychological issue in play for them as individuals and whether one can identify a common reason these people are doing this, quite another issue than playing politics.
  
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  March 28, 2017 12:19pm
  - Kea
    
    SPC , oh another lone wolf then ?
    
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    March 28, 2017 12:54pm
    - SPC
      
      To the extent that individuals act out their own psychological state (and their identity is involved to some extent), that is plausible.
      
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      March 28, 2017 1:00pm
      - Kea
        
        Yes it is plausible. No argument there. But why is it suddenly not plausible when a Muslim does it ?
        
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        March 28, 2017 5:47pm
      - SPC
        
        No idea, it is not as if Americans are not conditioned to say it’s not the gun it’s the deranged individual who uses it.
        
        You will have to ask others about their perspective.
        
        As a general comment, an isolated loner using a weapon to hurt others, and an individual (of a minority) alienated against society have something in common.
        
        And a Jewish person who is not successful, has more in common with the victimhood of the underclass than more successful fellow Jews – and may be seeking their sympathy.
        
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        March 28, 2017 5:55pm
Dafixeruppa

So an anecdote told to me by a couple of staff sergeants in the US air-force from their time in Afghanistan.
A group of US troops got “mislaid” after an incident.
The group called in for an extraction and were advised that there would be nothing available for sometime and they would need to make their own way out.
Shortly after they called for help, a group of NZ SAS soldiers arrived, looking scruffy, unkempt but completely disciplined. These SAS soldiers then escorted the lost troops to the nearest US camp, restocked and then disappeared again.
They didn’t want thanks, they said that they were just doing their job.
The US troops there in Afghanistan were always pleased to see our boys, they were highly respected and disciplined.
Another Anecdote:
While up in the north of Israel I had the opportunity to meet up with some UN peacekeepers that were based up there.
Apparently there was also a group of Kiwi soldiers there with the UN at the time as well.
So the story goes that there was a border scuffle between the Israel defense force and a group of Lebanese border patrol. Each group claiming that the other had breached the border. Everything was looking like going pear shaped, threats were being made, weapons pointed and safety’s off, then the two Kiwi soldiers arrived, unarmed, in uniform but without protective vests or anything.
Apparently they are held in so much respect over there as being completely impartial, that both sides backed off and the story I heard was they both headed back to camp with their heads down and their tails between their legs.
And that is the reason why we have soldiers. NZ are the real world’s peacekeepers.
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March 28, 2017 8:19am
- mikenmild
  
  Can’t be peacekeepers without being soldiers first and foremost. Was it Keith Sinclair who called New Zealanders the ‘Prussians of the South Pacific’?
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:28am
- cmm
  
  It is also the reason Hager’s shit stirring is so dangerous.
  
  NZ are indeed very respected peace keepers and undermining that means little scuffles that could be mediated can end up in real firefights that kill people.
  
  Sure, no doubt the Kiwis have made a mistake or two. Shit happens in war, but fanning up a mistake for some narcissistic political goals is incredible destructive.
  
  Hager has blood on his hands.
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:22am
  - ztev
    
    peacekeepers arent armed. the SAS would never be used as ‘peackeepers’
    
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    March 28, 2017 9:44am
    - SGA
      
      Peacekeepers aren’t armed? Maybe in your ideal world, but the UN version seem to be –
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=un+peacekeepers&espv=2&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjooK-eyPfSAhVEgLwKHeh5CS4Q_AUIBigB&biw=1328&bih=820
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:55am
    - cmm
      
      http://scd.france24.com/en/files/imagecache/france24_ct_api_bigger_169/article/image/onu-soldats-marocains-centrafrique-archive.jpeg
      
      Just a nerf gun for playing with the kiddies?
      
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      March 28, 2017 10:21am
    - mikenmild
      
      Peacekeepers may be armed or unarmed, depending on the mission.
      
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      March 28, 2017 11:10am
kowtow

“Terror attack prompts NZ Muslims to speak out”

This is a headline from the ODT which goes on to say

“Muslim imam Mustenser Qamar said the Quran strongly condemned terrorism, but not everybody realised that.

“There’s no form of terrorism allowed in Islamic teachings,” he said”

So the article has this imam speaking for all the Muslims in New Zealand, that is the impression given.

But this good man , and he is a good man , is from the Ahhmadiyya Sect (they are always trotted out by the media to prove how peaceful Islam is , yesterday the UK DM showed 20 or so of their wimmin on Westminster Bridge)

In New Zealand there are only about 500 Ahhmadiyya members .

This man can hardly be said to speak for a Muslim population of 50 to 60 000.

Alternative fact or just more fake news?

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/terror-attack-prompts-nz-muslims-speak-out
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March 28, 2017 8:19am
- Chuck Bird
  
  As Donald said I am sure there are some good people.
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:25am
- simpleton1
  
  If the majority of muslims in NZ are peaceful, why are they not shopping around and joining the Ahhmadiyya?
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:56am
  - Kimbo
    
    The answer to your “have you stopped beating your wife” question is already contained within it. As the vast majority of Muslims in NZ are already demonstrably (justified adverbs!!) peaceful
    
    …they don’t need to join Ahhmadiyya to prove it, at least not to reasonable observers.
    
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    March 28, 2017 10:17am
- simpleton1
  
  Well in Sydney, Australia, they have a choice to be come really faithful, by supporting or joining, or just taking in the teachings of such groups as Hizb ut-Tahrir.
  Just wondering when that will spill over to NZ
  
  Edit button does not allow time. Problems there.
  
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  March 28, 2017 10:04am
- rangitoto
  
  Most Moslems consider Ahmadiyya to be heretics. In the UK last year, an Ahmadiyya was murdered by a Sunni Moslem for wishing Christians a happy Easter.
  
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  March 28, 2017 10:04am
Happychappy

Should be a interesting Question time in Parliament today, Winston to turn up for his one day a week to see if he can outdo Andrew in the spitting and spluttering contest when asking their favourite question like we want a inquiry and the only way to get the answers is with a inquiry.
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March 28, 2017 8:21am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Don’t hold your breath Happychappy. The House is in recess this week (it generally sits three weeks out of four), so there’ll be no Question Time, and Winston might even find time to visit his electorate, if he can remember where it is.
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:26am
  - Happychappy
    
    I usually check the TV to see but thought I had it right. Thanks it saves me turning the TVon.
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:37am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      You can google ‘NZ parliament 2017 sitting days’ without leaving your computer, Happy chap.
      
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      March 28, 2017 8:48am
      - Happychappy
        
        Don’t make it to easy for me c/m I am Lazy enough now.
        
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        March 28, 2017 8:53am
  - Tarquin North
    
    I don’t think there are any races at Ruakaka till June, so I wouldn’t imagine he’ll be showing up any time soon.
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:38am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      My wife will keep an eye out for him at the Waterfront Festival in Mangonui on Saturday, or at the fish and chippery afterwards.
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:09am
      - ztev
        
        How about him turning up at the Kari kari resort golf course. I hear theres an ex MP working there
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:48am
      - Tarquin North
        
        Beat fish and chips shop is at Cable Bay – that’s where the locals go!
        
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        March 28, 2017 11:44am
  - Biscuit
    
    The best chance Winston’s electorate has of seeing him is to build a racecourse there.
    
    The only times I have seen the man outside of Parliament of late has been [via TV] at race meetings.
    
    [They’re a desperate mob in Racing these days, with some of them actually thinking Winston will ‘save’ their dying industry, heh heh…]
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:41am
Chuck Bird

Another excellent article by Alan Duff. People at on home on benefits should use cloth nappies like many of us used to.

Alan Duff: Family’s achievement an inspiration that shatters a generational negative mindset

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11826257
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March 28, 2017 8:21am
- GoVege
  
  Poor Alan
  ..he’s just a voice crying in the wilderness.
  Without education and a work ethic, a society is doomed.
  But with excuse-makers telling Maori it’s all the colonists’ fault, they have no hope.
  Even the young Maori guy jailed for shooting 4 policeman was claiming the court “had no jurisdiction “.
  Wonder where he got that cr*p from?
  
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  March 28, 2017 11:39am
  - marcw
    
    Wait until they decriminalise pot. There will be a complete loss of a generation of young Maori – probably never to recover, forever lost to the grievance industry and welfare.
    
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    March 28, 2017 2:06pm
    - GoVege
      
      But at least they won’t get a criminal record for using it and ruin any chance for a career.
      
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      March 28, 2017 11:28pm
- Liberty
  
  “ cloth nappies like many of us used to.”
  Cloth nappies are for luddites.
  
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  March 28, 2017 1:09pm
Captain Mainwaring

Whatever happened to Yoza. Did he and Morrissey elope together to the socialist paradise of Venezuela?
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March 28, 2017 8:41am
All_on_Red

Herald and others caught with fake news.
‘A spokesman for the German government on Monday denied media reports that U.S. President Donald Trump handed a multibillion-euro invoice to Chancellor Angela Merkel when they met in Washington earlier this month.’

“Reports that President Trump had presented the federal chancellor with a kind of bill withh a concrete billion sum are not true,” spokesman Steffen Seibert said at a press conference.’
http://www.politico.eu/article/germany-didnt-receive-nato-invoice-from-trump-government/
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March 28, 2017 8:42am
- KevOB
  
  Trump said throughout last year that NATO and others were costing the USA too much and there had to be a reckoning and they should be expected to pay for USA services towards their defence.
  
  I am sure no invoice was presented but the future cost recovery scenario raised.
  
  In contrast what is the USA (and UK) doing supporting the Saudi’s in their rage against Yemen? Millions more refugees because Saudi’s do not like Shia.
  
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  March 28, 2017 10:15am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘there had to be a reckoning and they should be expected to pay for USA services towards their defence.’
    A link would be good. I don’t recall Trump asking for actual money.
    Personally I think in Iraq they should have cut a deal and been paid to stay instead of pulling out. Then maybe Mosul wouldn’t have been lost
    
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    March 28, 2017 7:38pm
Inandout

How long can the MSM spin the spurious Hager book? It’s a bugger that cyclones across the ditch take over the news, eh Nicky?
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March 28, 2017 8:45am
- Lance
  
  I am sure Hagar thinks the cyclone is a right wing plot
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:51am
  - mikenmild
    
    Better ask Pauline Hanson:
    http://www.betootaadvocate.com/breaking-news/pauline-advises-north-queenslanders-research-cyclone-preparation/
    Warning: satire alert
    
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    March 28, 2017 9:44am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  What does the latest Hagar novella and cyclone Debbie have in common?
  
  Both are full of piss and wind, and are guaranteed to leave a mess behind for someone else to clean up!
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:28am
- KevOB
  
  Hager has been shown to be quasi receiver using intercepted private emails for his personal gain.
  Why is our State Owned TV not recognising his history and not denying him encouragement? Surely a government agency cannot be exempt from the requirements of loyalty to upholding the rule of law and the ethos of sound government.
  
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  March 28, 2017 10:23am
macdee

you lot have it all wrong, don’t know who Sue is or her credentials to write this story but she’s got the good oil, read and recant, “Sue Allen: Nicky Hager’s PR victory, Stuff”
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March 28, 2017 8:57am
- Inandout
  
  A certain Deb Manning is waiting to clip the ticket on Hager’s ‘expose’. She may have to fly to Afghanistan to gather evidence.
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:07am
  - Paulus
    
    I doubt if she would be allowed anywhere outside Kabul or Bagram even.
    She would be considered a liability by ISAF probably.
    
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    March 28, 2017 1:35pm
- Dafixeruppa
  
  And the comments on there are nearly as funny as here…
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:12am
Manolo

Punishing those who protect illegal immigrants:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/27/jeff-sessions-says-hell-punish-sanctuaries-cities/
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March 28, 2017 9:02am
Happychappy

Well the pain these allegations must be causing the O’Connell Family is the main reason that I want these two low life’s to pay for. If you look back when police raided Hager’s home over Dirty Politics and he went off about his Daughter being alone and harassed by the Police, well now he finds it all right to cause distress to this brave soldier’s family and thinks nothing of it. If proved that this book has deceived the public I for one want his blood.
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March 28, 2017 9:06am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I hate to correct you Happychappy, but the brave young soldier killed by the Taliban in Afghanistan was Lt Tim O’Donnell (not O’Connell):
  
  Linton-based Lieutenant O’Donnell received a Distinguished Service Decoration award in the 2008 New Year’s Honours for his services as a platoon commander in East Timor between November, 2006 and, May, 2007.
  
  On April 5, 2007, his platoon encountered a crowd of about 1000 Fretilin Party supporters returning from an election rally in Dili.
  
  The crowd, fearing attacks from opposition political supporters, had halted on the outskirts of Manatuto.
  
  While the platoon secured a safe route, United Nations police began moving the Fretilin supporters across a bridge toward Manatuto, despite having been requested not to do so.
  
  The crowd was ambushed by about 600 opposition supporters who threw rocks and fired steel darts and arrows.
  
  The police escort was forced to withdraw, which left the Fretilin supporters stranded on the bridge.
  
  Lieutenant O’Donnell intervened in the attack, which meant that his platoon came under attack and had to fire warning shots and aimed shots against their assailants.
  
  His platoon pushed back the attackers and secured a route around Manatuto for the Fretilin supporters, who safely navigated the town without loss of life or serious injury.
  
  Lieutenant O’Donnell graduated from Officer Cadet School in December 2005 into the Royal New Zealand Infantry Regiment and was posted to 1 RNZIR.
  
  In 2008 he was posted to Burnham.
  
  My thoughts and aroha are with the O’Donnell family as their grief at losing a son and brother has been reawakened. A former staff member of mine was Tim’s aunt, and I am told the family is devastated at his death being used for such a political attack. I sometimes wonder how Hager sleeps at night.
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:22am
  - Happychappy
    
    I hope that it has not offended you or the family as the point that I was trying to make is that he make a big thing of what his family and does not feel other people should have that same right or respect.
    
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    March 28, 2017 9:43am
jcuk

Hearing the news about Chinese firms doing infrastructure work in NZ with their own nationals and equipment I wonder about the eco-security risk from all the bamboo poles they use for scaffolding ?
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March 28, 2017 9:08am
- Inandout
  
  Bamboo is ok for small projects, certainly for reroofing on single story buildings. Worksafe of course will not agree.
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:21am
  - kowtow
    
    Visit Hong Kong and you’ll see different.Major projects.
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2290166/Hong-Kongs-ultra-modern-skyscrapers-built-scaffolding-BAMBOO.html
    
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    March 28, 2017 10:02am
    - Inandout
      
      If time is a factor then steel is speedier, but for economy then bamboo is a winner. But when bamboo collapses… http://www.smobserved.com/story/2016/11/26/news/70-chinese-construction-workers-die-in-collapse-of-bamboo-scaffolding-at-power-plant/2300.html
      
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      March 28, 2017 10:28am
      - simpleton1
        
        We already have an apprentice-ship system in place and that could be easily expanded, and with Health and Safety Guide lines will make scaffolding much more secure.
        
        All Boy Scouts, and Girl Guides, starting in Cubs and Brownies, are taught how to do knots and lashings, for their bivouacs, rafts and etc.
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:48pm
  - rangitoto
    
    I’ve seent it used for high rise in the far East
    
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    March 28, 2017 10:10am
- jcuk
  
  Wrong three letters .. I meant Bio- not eco- 🙁
  
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  March 28, 2017 1:23pm
  - simpleton1
    
    We better start planting here in NZ.
    It probably will have a quicker return than 25 year cycle of radiata pine.
    Just what exact species of bamboo is best for scaffolding? and the best climate for it?.
    I want to purchase land in that area, to have a quick high return.
    
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    March 28, 2017 1:43pm
peterwn

Interesting – Media has been reporting Wellington Electricity has been running at a loss ever since Vector sold out to that Hong Kong guy who seems to have a liking for owning lines companies (he also owns the lines companies serving London and a big chunk of England which he purchased off the Frogs several years ago – I doubt that the Frogs would let him own the Paris network). Presumably he could not care less as long as he can depreciate it as much as he can get away with and grow the capital value. This is the advantage of a company with no pesky shareholders expecting a divvy. It is reported IRD has had a nosey but so far seems not to have found any issues.
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March 28, 2017 9:12am
Michael

The man with an offensive surname.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/90888989/Man-has-personalised-number-plate-withdrawn-because-of-offensive-surname
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March 28, 2017 9:26am
- doggone7
  
  Shhhhhh! Someone will try to get other names banned because they’re offensive. Dick for example!
  
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  March 28, 2017 9:32am
- Inandout
  
  Some feminazi must have spotted the plate and got offended.
  What about this one:
  
  https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/3114342/rude-car-number-plate-on-sale-6k/
  
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  March 28, 2017 10:34am
Evadne

I see that now that the NZDF has poured cold water on the MSM’s recent SAS/Hager frenzy, all analysis and cries for inquiries have dropped off the main pages & indexes and…

…Oh look… Gloriavale.
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March 28, 2017 9:29am
Chuck Bird

I Am Innocent is on TV1 tonight at 8:30.

There are definitely people wrongly convicted but not near as many as some people would have us believe.
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March 28, 2017 9:32am
- Longknives
  
  You’d have to be a bit of a thicko to think Sharon Armstrong was ‘innocent’!
  Wouldn’t you??..
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10722642
  
  “Jailed Kiwi Sharon Armstrong knew she was carrying a secret parcel in a hidden compartment in her suitcase – but she is adamant she had no idea the parcel contained drugs.”
  
  Jesus Wept!
  
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  March 28, 2017 10:18am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Longknives, as I said there are not near as many wrongly convicted as some people think. I will watch the serious. I can let you know tomorrow what I think on tonight’s show.
    
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    March 28, 2017 10:50am
  - Kimbo
    
    You’d have to be a bit of a thicko to think Sharon Armstrong was ‘innocent’!
    Wouldn’t you??..
    
    Shades of Schapelle “smugglers planted the drugs in my boogie board bag” Corby.
    
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    March 28, 2017 11:01am
    - GoVege
      
      I thought it was common knowledge some baggage handlers in Oz were smuggling drugs?
      
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      March 28, 2017 3:10pm
    - sooty
      
      I think you have it the wrong way.
      #Someone put a boogie board in her drug bag#
      
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      March 28, 2017 6:01pm
  - Paulus
    
    Understand she was at the time a senior Public Servant.
    I assume that she is now still employed there –
    we should be so lucky.
    
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    March 28, 2017 1:38pm
  - GoVege
    
    There are a lot of lonely, gullible older people out there who get scammed by devious types.
    
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    March 28, 2017 3:08pm
- Notsofast
  
  The urgent cases are those where there are no previous convictions.
  Walter James Bolton???
  Arthur Thomas
  David Bain
  Mark Lundy
  
  The next tier are those who came to police attention as previous customers.
  
  David Tamihere
  Teina Pora
  Scott Watson???
  Ewan MacDonald (he got lucky unlike Tamihere and Pora)
  
  There is also Allan Hall and Michael October.
  
  Did John Barlow hire an Aussie hitman and supply him the very unusul gun?
  
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  March 28, 2017 10:33am
  - mikenmild
    
    That’s convenient:
    If they had no prior criminal history – they’re innocent.
    If they have a criminal past – they’re being framed by the police.
    
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    March 28, 2017 11:14am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Same logic as dunking witches.
      
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      March 28, 2017 11:24am
      - GoVege
        
        NSF: probably the reason people keep on killing their spouses to claim the reward, despite them (or the eldest child) being liable to be suspects, is because people warped enough to kill for cash tend to be narcissists who think they are too clever to be caught.
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:29pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Yep. And if Mark Lundy had a motive (insurance money), that does not exclude the possibility of an unknown gang murdering his wife and daughter
      
      …but if allegations of incest are made against Robin Bain, then they must be correct as he paid his daughter’s bills and spent time with her and that is soo unusual in a father/daughter relationship! /sarc
      
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      March 28, 2017 11:25am
      - Notsofast
        
        It is common knowledge spouse assumed to be a suspect.
        It is also common knowledge that perfect crimes are broadly unachievable.
        Hence it is common sense to find a better way to solve financial problems than murdering a spouse.
        It is also common sense to expect to be observed somewhere on a long route, therefore it defies common sense to drive a huge car past multiple cctv cameras, because they will video you.
        
        Exhaustive study of all cameras on route of course allowed Lundy to navigate like a stealth bomber.
        
        Come on you bunch of suckers.
        
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        March 28, 2017 12:09pm
    - Notsofast
      
      It does appear that in Thomas Bain and Lundy they were convicted for not quite achieving a perfect murder strategy with plans capable of being hatched only by the brain dead.
      
      Add Jeremy Bamber, Amanda Knox and Russ Faria.
      
      Woops all the above named are innocent you gullible people.
      
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      March 28, 2017 12:13pm
    - Notsofast
      
      If they have a criminal past there is less empathy, bar the victorious Teina Pora, the least deserving compensee of any but the biggest winner.
      
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      March 28, 2017 12:15pm
      - GoVege
        
        Why is Teina Pora “the least deserving” NSF?
        For being born with FAS, his mum dying when he was 4, or having a relative accuse him of murder to claim a reward?
        
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        March 28, 2017 12:24pm
      - Kimbo
        
        None of the above. Try:
        
        lying to police he was at the scene of the crime.
        
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        March 28, 2017 2:21pm
      - Notsofast
        
        Teina Pora is somewhat undeserving because he was arrested during the attempt to procure a reward with information he knew to be false. In fact this had serious ramifications with Rewa going on to commit many more rapes. Pora could not be held responsible here, rather the disgraceful police work. But there are and must be consequences for such egregious deception. Foetal alcohol syndrome was not a factor in his crimes or confession. The courts are no more correct in this than in, for example, supporting the first Lundy conviction with clearly false statements about driving times. This sort of confessional behaviour is common with the alert of mind, the best example by far being the Norfolk Four. READ THE BOOK – The Wrong Guys
        
        https://www.amazon.com/dp/1595584013/ref=r_soa_s_b
        
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        March 28, 2017 2:38pm
      - GoVege
        
        He was a 17 year old kid with FAS.
        The police ought to have taken his “confession” with a truckload of salt.
        Just about every othe police force in the world knows to be ready for fake confessions…especially when a hefty reward is on offer.
        Are you seriously blaming Teina Pora for Malcolm Rewa’s crimes?
        
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        March 28, 2017 5:25pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Are you seriously blaming Teina Pora for Malcolm Rewa’s crimes?
        
        No. Irrespective of the fact that, yes, the cops should have taken it into account (indeed, some within in the force did, I think)
        
        …the fact that Pora was greedy, dishonest and stupid enough, FAS and all, to try and mislead them is the reason a chain of events were set in motion that sent him to prison for twenty odd years. Hence “he was least deserving compensee of any but the biggest winner”. But then as Clint Eastwood said in Unforgiven “‘Deserving’ ain’t got nothin’ to do with it” 🙂
        
        Now, as your empathy seems to stretch to the disabled like Pora, and those with Downs Syndrome – and good on you for that – but you have little or none for, say, Muslims, I’d suggest you’ll just have to accept the fact that others may see it differently. Which is fair enough as they paid for their right to an opinion courtesy of the tax-payer-funded compensation given to Pora for something that was caused, in part, if not in whole or primarily, by his greed, dishonesty and stupidity. FAS or not.
        
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        March 28, 2017 7:17pm
      - GoVege
        
        Kimbo: I have plenty of sympathy for people born into a twisted belief system like Islam that murders people for trying to escape their mind control or being gay, and believes that anybody who doesn’t believe their nonsense should be killed.
        Teina Pora was a damaged young guy with FAS of only 17 when he was “stupid/dishonest” or IMO probably desperate enough to try and claim a reward.
        Tell me Kimbo…what was your life like at 17…anything like this fella’s?
        To paraphrase a religious leader I do respect….are you so bl**dy perfect you never made a mistake?
        
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        March 28, 2017 11:40pm
      - Kimbo
        
        are you so bl**dy perfect you never made a mistake?
        
        No. But here’s the thing – FAS is not a free pass for committing a crime, nor for acting dishonestly, and trying to deceive the police in the course of their inquiries into a awful rape and murder. Yes, it should have been taken into account when weighing the credibility of Pora’s supposed confession. Maybe it was, or at least it was acknowledged he was a (non-technical yet accurate term) “moron”. Nonetheless, as I was at times at his age, as you were too, but to a much greater extent, Pora acted like a moron…and consequences, some of his making, accrued.
        
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        March 29, 2017 7:26am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    You forgot Clayton Weatherstone.
    
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    March 28, 2017 4:28pm
big bruv

Has Kea been banned for life yet?
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March 28, 2017 9:35am
- thedavincimode
  
  Is that what it will take to get him to vacate your head bruv?
  
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  March 28, 2017 12:07pm
kowtow

Recidivist violent criminal says

“Four weeks bro”

What a joke our legal system is. No real protection from the courts from the violent and dangerous.

How about we all try harder to wear our domestic violence ribbons , or run a few more ads on TV,that’ll make a difference.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/jailed-violent-assault-woman
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March 28, 2017 9:58am
freemark

Clickbait headline on Stuff..
“Bain gets new Court role”
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March 28, 2017 10:08am
simpleton1

As said in Sydney Australia, in a friendly mosque.
If Blasphemy laws will be enforced, not only in Bangaldesh then it would seem automatically that Apostasy laws will also be enforced, to the death.

The latest revelation about Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia comes as Islamists in Pakistan take to social media to demand the killing of atheist blogger Ayaz Nizami.
He and two others were charged with blasphemy this week by a court in Islamabad and face the death penalty.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4350328/Hizb-Ut-Tahrir-leader-Ex-Muslims-death.html#ixzz4cYio8OaB
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Just to consider a number of bloggers questioning islam have been killed.

Just keeping little facts of islam hidden in Australia, but caught on camera.

Badar initially responded by saying the policy wasn’t on its website before explaining how the group’s apostasy policy was compatible with Islam.
‘The ruling for apostates as such in Islam is clear, that apostates attract capital punishment and we don’t shy away from that,’ Badar said in the presence of children. An apostate is someone who decides to leave Islam.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4350328/Hizb-Ut-Tahrir-leader-Ex-Muslims-death.html#ixzz4cYfvo0z9

It is still small in Australia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hizb_ut-Tahrir#Australia Some will call in to a handy mosque for prayer, but then just think about the types that shop around mosques, so that they can more faithfully follow and learn about the deeds and sayings about Mohammad from the koran, hadiths, sira, and sunnah.
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March 28, 2017 10:18am
- GoVege
  
  Blood-thirsty savages.
  
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  March 28, 2017 12:00pm
waripori

The Devin Nunes ( Chair of the House Intelligence Committee ) story has got really weird. Last week he announced that an unnamed source revealed to him that some members of the Trump transition team were caught up in surveillance and that their names were improperly “unmasked”. He briefed Trump on this and then held a press conference without advising other members of his committee , which upset the Democrats. Trump then cited this as vindication of his “wiretap claims”.
Nunes has now admitted that he was on the Whitehouse grounds in an annex the night before he briefed Trump but says he needed to be there so he could access a secure facility to examine the classified documents he had been given by what he now says was an Intelligence Community source. There is a secure facility on the Hill and he could also have gone to the FBI, NSA or other places but would have been logged in. He says no one from the Administration knew he was on the grounds of the Whitehouse.
The simplest explanation is normally the right one and that has to be that the Whitehouse was the source of the information Nunes cited. He certainly looks like he is carrying water for Trump and it is hard to see him keeping the Intelligence Committee job.
The comparisons with the Watergate cover up are becoming clearer and the Nixon white house was a fairly tight ship. The Trump administration much more leaky in every way. Interesting to see where this goes but I can see a movie at some stage with Rowan Atkinson playing the Nunes character. Peter Sellers would also be good but he is not feeling well.
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March 28, 2017 10:42am
- Lucia Maria
  
  Wow, that’s just getting crazier and crazier.
  
  And then there was that Trump tweeting telling everyone to watch Fox News, with that judge lady telling Ryan he should quit, and of course. No collusion there at all…
  
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  March 28, 2017 10:50am
- virtualmark
  
  Nunes has to realise you can’t be both a watchdog and a lapdog.
  
  His problem now is that he’s shown he wants to be the lapdog. So he needs to stand aside from his House Intelligence Committee role.
  
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  March 28, 2017 12:26pm
Lucia Maria

Approx. 1400 people were detained yesterday at anti-corruption rallies in 80+ cities across Russia – Moscow Times

That’s a lot of people. I’ve seen a number of photos of old people and women being hauled away by police.

Protesting is not safe in Russia. Every single person who came out on the streets is incredibly brave.
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March 28, 2017 10:47am
- Andrei
  
  LoL – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGZbJj8uB1o
  
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  March 28, 2017 11:11am
  - thedavincimode
    
    That’s your comparison Andrei? You really are a fucking idiot.
    
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    March 28, 2017 12:06pm
    - Andrei
      
      “… a fucking idiot.”
      
      Really
      
      Those Moscow protesters were allowed to protest, they were given permission to do so in fact but not in Pushkin Square
      
      So that’s exactly where they went and that’s where the foreign media went to film the confrontation.
      
      It’s all a game played by the usual suspects – when Penny Bright plays it most commenters here get sniffy – when a Russian equivalent plays it you see it differently
      
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      March 28, 2017 12:31pm
- Kea
  
  I want to shout you a trip to Mother Russia Lucy. I encourage you to air your concerns publicly 🙂
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWlQxUNFLY
  
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  March 28, 2017 12:42pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Snort!
    
    You seem to like videos where women are brutalised by men. As I recall, you were banned a while back for publishing a particularly gruesome one.
    
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    March 28, 2017 6:08pm
Inandout

Now, unless you are desperate for accommodation in Auckland, these motels may need to be avoided:

Knightsbridge Motor Lodge in Papatoetoe, at $334,578; 540 Motel in Otahuhu, at $242,187; the Allenby Park Hotel in Papatoetoe, at $220,750; and the Rockfield Motel in Penrose at $199,649.

This is what the government spent on housing the ‘homeless’, and where the down and outs stayed.
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March 28, 2017 10:48am
- GoVege
  
  I’ve met one of these people…a single young woman with a gambling addiction.
  Her own parents won’t have her because she’s such a pain in the ass, but you’d think she could find a room in a flat.
  
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  March 28, 2017 12:06pm
  - Inandout
    
    The ironical part is that National are probably losing more votes by this motel scam than they would if they told the losers to take control of their own destinies. While there is a trend in the West to steer away from cradle to grave welfare mothering, our government is going the other way.
    
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    March 28, 2017 12:23pm
    - GoVege
      
      Maybe they’re just paying all sides for their votes.
      If they’re going to blow our taxes on motel accommodation it should only be for families with children ..and only until they get reestablished somewhere else.
      You can buy homes down the line for 100gs still.
      
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      March 28, 2017 1:00pm
Hugh Pavletich

PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING http://www.PerformanceUrbanPlanning.org website updated

The bi-annual update of my archival website PERFORMANCE URBAN PLANNING has been completed … around 2 months following the release of this year’s 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey 23 January 2017.

Click http://www.performanceurbanplanning.org/ … then ‘refresh’ … and check it out !
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March 28, 2017 11:32am
- Kimbo
  
  DPF is very kind allowing third parties to leverage off the blogsite he provides:
  
  Hugh Pavletich with his property market press releases
  
  Penny Bright with her political campaign updates
  
  …and the occasional desperate shill trying to publicise the likes of Kimbo’s law*
  
  * “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs”
  
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  March 28, 2017 11:38am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Indeed. Shamelessly crass self-promotion by people who can’t otherwise command an audience.
    
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    March 28, 2017 12:03pm
    - Swifty
      
      Quite so. Linkwhoring at its worst. Pavletich is quite clearly an egomaniac, abusing our hosts hospitality and readership in this way, as well as a single issue nutter.
      
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      March 28, 2017 12:46pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Shamelessly crass self-promotion…
      
      And that is an ~~excessive and unnecessary~~ warranted adverb 😉
      
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      March 28, 2017 12:52pm
      - Kimbo
        
        But on second thoughts, even though “shamelessly” is an adverb in form, and is most often used that way, in the context you have used it, and as it is qualifying an adjective “crass”, it is in fact another adjective.
        
        Unless the implied verb “(It is…) shamelessly crass self-promotion by people who can’t otherwise command an audience.” has to be included to make the sentence grammatically correct. Hmm. Any thoughts, Maggy Wassilief?
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:05pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        As I said, shamelessly crass self-promotion. But you got there in the end. Maybe that degree in nasal inhalation therapy would have been a better option. It would certainly have saved you time today.
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:37pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        BTW, wot’s “an warranted adverb”?
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:39pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        When Kimbo has a nightmare, I’d imagine he would be in adverb hell: Abverb streets and rivers. Houses made of adverbs. Adverbs for dinner. Adverbs playing 24×7 over a PA 🙂
        
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        March 28, 2017 1:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ the davincimode
        
        As the indefinite article was initially (justified adverb!) qualifying a word that began with a vowel, “excessively”, I used the appropriate form, “an”, not “a”.
        
        And you should know by now, tdm, my time is never wasted self-promoting Kimbo’s law, be it shamelessly, gratuitously nor garishly. But thank you for your small contribution to help turn it into a meme.
        
        @krazykiwi
        
        …hellishly, devilishly, infernally! 😉
        
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        March 28, 2017 2:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Definitely an adverb.
        The adjectival form would be shameless.
        
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        March 28, 2017 7:22pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Definitely an adverb
        
        😉
        
        The adjectival form would be shameless
        
        Usually (!), yes. However, I thought that in some cases when one adjective qualifies another, it can take be an adverbial form. However, this says
        
        Adverbs are also used to qualify adjectives:
        
        e.g. She is very clever.
        
        http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/languagecentre/academic/grammarskills/aa/
        
        OK. But is it really (!) an adverb – something that qualifies a verb? isn’t it qualifying the adjective “clever”? Or is it the verb “is”?
        
        And back to dtm’s original statement:
        
        Shamelessly crass self-promotion by people who can’t otherwise command an audience.
        
        If “shamelessly” is indeed an adverb, what verb is it qualifying? There is not any in the sentence, other than “can’t..command”? Or is it, as I suggested the implied “It is…”
        
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        March 28, 2017 7:34pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Hmm, that seems to be it. If it is seems to be qualifying an adjective, then that is because that adjective is the copula, with the intransitive verb sometimes written, but at the very least implied.
        
        So “Very clever, Maggy”, while colloquially acceptable is grammatically incorrect as a sentence, because every sentence must have a verb. Therefore it is properly stated as
        
        “You (subject noun) are (intransitive verb) very (adverb) clever (adjectival copula), Maggy (vocative noun)”.
        
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        March 28, 2017 7:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Kimbo
        I am in the big smoke away from my support structures. So you must either wait for some arcane answer or just accept that I am right.
        An adverb can modify an adjective, a clause, an entire sentence, etc.
        In the sentence in question shamelessly is modifying crass.
        
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        March 28, 2017 10:27pm
      - Kimbo
        
        just accept that I am right
        
        Done!
        
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        March 28, 2017 11:30pm
    - Andrew Atkin
      
      Shameless self-promotion – or activism?
      
      Obviously activism. And this housing is issue is so serious that I applaud Hugh Pavletich’s “shamelessness”.
      
      Did you know that our culture is so financially crippled that it’s struggling to even breed now, because so many people are too afraid of what others think of them to speak up….and dare to be a little shameless?
      
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      March 28, 2017 2:19pm
- Longknives
  
  Christ that site is a laugh a minute…
  
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  March 28, 2017 2:11pm
SPC

Legislation to pass soon in Canada, so that cannabis is available for sale legally from 1 July 2018.

Growers licensed by the federal government, with distribution and sale managed by provincial governments.

Canada competing with beach resorts to the south of the USA for those on sabbaticals from Trump America …
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March 28, 2017 12:07pm
jonar

The dangers of presenting fake news to those on the right who like guns…thank you Breitbart.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/03/pizzagate-dc-shooter-pleads-guilty-to-weapons-related-charges/

A North Carolina man pleaded guilty Friday to weapons-related charges for a December episode in which he stormed a Washington, DC pizzeria and fired rounds from a Colt AR-15 assault-style rifle. The incident was a bid to “self-investigate” an unfounded conspiracy theory concerning the restaurant’s basement being the secret headquarters of a nonexistent child sex-trafficking ring whose (again, nonexistent) members included Hillary Clinton and her inner circle.
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March 28, 2017 12:43pm
Surely Knott

Richard Branson has said NZ cows /farms are the problem and we should solve it by legalising marijuana. 1. I’m sick of idiots (dotcom, michael tavares, branson) coming over and telling NZers how to live in their own country. 2. Cows do cause some environmental issues that need improving, but they also provide sustenance , protein , food and life. Marijuana and wine are recreational drugs. It’s pretty arrogant to claim the two are interchangeable. 3. Branson is a billionaire who owns an airline flying the wealthy to holiday destinations. Hardly the most environmentally friendly business. Do they serve milk, steak and icecream on virgin? Being a billionaire business owner may not pollute the rivers but it doesn’t prevent hunger and famine either. I’m not a farmer. But I’m sick of people putting the boot into our agriculture sector as if they alone are responsible for the worlds ills.
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March 28, 2017 1:25pm
- Longknives
  
  Branson is famous for talking shit and saying dumb things..
  Yet he comes to NZ and the gushing,starstruck Media treat his word as Gospel!
  
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  March 28, 2017 2:09pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    his whole empire is largely the result of the free publicity he has been able to drum up from cooperative media – a little like Pres Trump 🙂
    
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    March 28, 2017 6:15pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Becoming mega-wealthy makes one an expert on everything. Just ask Gareth Morgan
  
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  March 28, 2017 2:45pm
- Kea
  
  So we should stop producing food, so pricks like him can fly people around for fun, polluting the planet.
  
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  March 28, 2017 6:19pm
Manolo

The opinion of the eminent Richard Branson.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/donald-trump-is-an-embarrassment-for-the-world-says-sir-richard-branson/ar-BBySgJT?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Donald Trump is “an embarrassment for the world”, Sir Richard Branson has said.

The billionaire businessman said the president’s first two months in office had been “disastrous” and he predicted the US leader will only last a maximum of one term in office.
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March 28, 2017 1:29pm
- Dave Mann
  
  And do you agree or disagree with his opinion? Discuss..
  
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  March 28, 2017 2:08pm
  - Manolo
    
    I disagree. Discuss…
    
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    March 28, 2017 3:29pm
krazykiwi

This probably won’t do the UK economy any harm:

Biggest Oil Discovery in UK Waters this Century

Hurricane Energy has made a further oil discovery west of the Shetland Islands days after Royal Dutch Shell and BP won exploration licences in an area the UK is counting on to breathe new life into its struggling oil and gas industry.

The latest find adds to a series of successful wells drilled by Hurricane in a geological formation that analysts say looks likely to be the biggest new oil discovery beneath UK waters this century.

Oil is such great stuff. Finding more is excellent news.
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March 28, 2017 2:43pm
Happychappy

Finally a NZ judge has stood up to Dot Com and awarded ex staff just over $30,000 for wrongful dismissal and back pay on wages. To often this criminal has led our Judiciary down his unsavoury past and escaped where others wouldn’t. So a win for the small guys against the obese criminal is one to be savoured.
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March 28, 2017 2:47pm
Manolo

With friends like him…
https://www.yahoo.com/news/frances-hollande-says-fight-against-populism-final-mission-112101745.html

French President Francois Hollande said Monday the final mission of his term would be to ensure that “populism, nationalism and extremism cannot win” in the world and especially not in France.
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March 28, 2017 3:10pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Hollande is the least popular French president since the second world war, and the first since 1958 who is not standing for re-election.
  
  He will ensure nothing.
  
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  March 28, 2017 3:20pm
GoVege

Saw a big burly Muslim bloke with his chattel (or one of them) in her face mask and shroud walking in the south today.
Wonder if they wear these get-ups to their immigration interviews, or don’t our authorities care about importing trouble?
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March 28, 2017 3:15pm
Fletch

Funny 😛
The ultimate rebel, Johnny Rotten of the Sex Pistols is in favour of both Brexit and Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQqdxQQ5Xtw

As has been mentioned before, if the mainstream is now liberal then conservatism is the new rebellion.
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March 28, 2017 3:52pm
- Longknives
  
  I have a couple of John Lydon’s books- He is an intelligent guy who doesn’t suffer fools gladly.(Remember he ‘outed’ Jimmy Saville and his deviance way back in the 70s!)..
  He considers himself a champion of the working classes (which he came from) and is unashamedly patriotic (Despite ‘God Save the Queen’!)
  Hence he is kind of more ‘right’ than ‘left’ in today’s current Political climate!
  *Oh and he fucking hates celebrity left-wing poser Russell Brand! Which makes him more than okay in my books..
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96LT7xPW82k
  
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  March 28, 2017 4:57pm
Kimbo

Cannot believe the critics on cricinfo saying Kane Williamson should have declared earlier:

1. To win, you have to first score more runs than the opposition. We only overtook their first innings just before stumps last night.

2. You will never get easier runs than in the first innings when they have bowled over 120 overs, their bowlers are stuffed and the shine is off the second new ball. Contrast that with a run chase on a fifth day pitch with their bowlers fresh and with a new ball.

3. If we fail to bowl them out because of bad weather, then that is what it is. You can’t change that. Instead, control what you can – including getting a good lead, maybe even enough to only have to bat once, when you have the chance

4. Maybe we should have scored faster, or, in particular Santner. However, as Williamson was set and our best option to accelerate the scoring while he was still there, and the very good saffer quicks were looking to restrict rather than take wickets, it was maybe ok to score at the rate we did in the first session We accelerated as we went on, and a lead of 170 is very good. Although 250 would have been ideal,as, once they overtake our score, the time needed to win “doubles” – for every run they score we have to match it in a run chase.
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March 28, 2017 4:09pm
- mikenmild
  
  It was always going to be difficult getting to a winning position given the time lost and SA playing fairly defensively. Forcing the pace more probably would have just meant less runs and more time for SA to make the game safe.
  
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  March 28, 2017 4:20pm
- SPC
  
  The issue is having to bowl the other team out twice, we have to bowl the Saffies out in little more than day (for a second time) to win and the longer the game goes on the easier it becomes to do this.
  
  Runs up is the best pressure on the team batting as well.
  
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  March 28, 2017 4:48pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Presuming no delays for rain, if we can’t bowl them out in that time, with two spinners on a wearing pitch and the chance of a new ball less than an hour after lunch tomorrow, then we don’t deserve to win.
    
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    March 28, 2017 5:06pm
    - SPC
      
      With Amla gone this becomes more likely, he could have batted a day …
      
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      March 28, 2017 5:10pm
- Kimbo
  
  And de Grandhomme, whom I have describe this week as “out of his depth at test level” backs up his first test 50 with a 2nd wicket.
  
  Are you a cricketer who needs to get some results? Just email Kimbo to give his (cough!) “expert” opinion,and once I’m done picking you to pieces you’ll be batting like Bradman, bowling like SF Barnes, and fielding with the finesse of Jonty Rhodes 😉
  
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  March 28, 2017 5:13pm
Stars And Stripes

‘Joke’ toy store toilet door decal horrifies customer
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/03/joke-toy-store-toilet-door-decal-horrifies-customer.html
“A woman in Palmerston North was “horrified” after using the toilet at the local Toyworld, on the door of which is a decal showing a man climbing over the wall into a woman’s cubicle”.

Complained to the manager, get a life and a sense of humour I reckon.
Or maybe Ms Horrobin should join “Feminist Mothers Aotearoa” as they sound like a heap of fun, but given the picture first appeared on their site she may already be a loyalist.
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March 28, 2017 4:15pm
chiz

A new priest at his first mass was so scared, he could hardly speak. After the service was over he asked the monsignor how he had done. ” Fine , but next week it might help if you put a little vodka or gin in your water to relax you.” The next week the new priest put some vodka in his water and really kicked up a storm. After mass, he asked the monsignor how he had done this time. “Fine” he answered : but there are a few things you should get straight :- no 1 There are 10 commandments , not 12 . no2 There are 12 disciples not 10. no3 David slew Goliath, he didn’t kick shit out of him . no4 We don’t refer to Jesus Christ as the late J.C. no5 Next Saturday there will be a taffy pulling contest at St Peters, not a Peter pulling contest at St Taffy’s no6 The Father, son and Holy Ghost are not big daddy , junior and the spook. No7 Moses parted the water at the red sea, He didn’t pass water . no8 We do not refer to Judas as el finko. No9 The pope is consecrated ,not castrated and we do not refer to Him as the godfather .”
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March 28, 2017 4:43pm
Kea

I really feel for my brave Christian brothers in the Middle East. They are constantly attacked and their places of worship desecrated by religious extremists. Yet they rise above the hate and prejudice to rebuild. My prayer are with them.

Historic church in Israel reopens two years after arson attack

One of the most famous Catholic churches in the Holy Land has reopened with a special mass two years after an arson attack blamed on Jewish extremists.
http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2017/02/13/historic-church-in-israel-reopens-two-years-after-arson-attack/
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March 28, 2017 5:55pm
- SPC
  
  And sympathy for those in Egypt, Iraq and Pakistan who are going through worse – as well as Palestinians, the minority that still remain at least.
  
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  March 28, 2017 5:59pm
  - Kea
    
    SPC so your response to this is to attack Muslims. That level of intellectual cowardice and bigotry exceeds my ability to describe it.
    
    It is people like you, on both sides, who actually do this stuff.
    
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    March 28, 2017 6:10pm
    - SPC
      
      Reduced to trolling anyone who does not parrot your singular line. Intolerant much …
      
      All I offered was some context to this issue.
      
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      March 28, 2017 6:14pm
      - Kea
        
        Don’t run the moral high ground. That was a sleazy and vulgar attempt to divert attention from Jewish wrongs.
        
        If I pointed out the horrors of the holocaust would you respond by pointing out the Irish did bad things too ?
        
        Raise your game.
        
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        March 28, 2017 6:42pm
      - SPC
        
        If, when …
        
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        March 28, 2017 7:22pm
  - Kea
    
    “Egypt, Iraq”
    
    Both countries utterly destroyed by the USA to please the radical Zionist Jews.
    
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    March 28, 2017 6:13pm
    - SPC
      
      How is Egypt destroyed? Only many of the churches.
      
      The military that removed the MB government is now closer to Russia than the USA. Just as it was in the Nasser years.
      
      The Americans sided with the Arab spring movement that led to the MB government.
      
      As for Iraq, given the issue is persecution of minorities by the more powerful group in the society ….
      
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      March 28, 2017 6:19pm
      - Kea
        
        Yeah my bad Egypt is doing great. In fact I hope Israel gets the exact same greatness as places like Syria, Egypt and Iraq. All done with US “help”.
        
        I think we should help Israel the same way. By backing conflicting factions with guns $$$, intel, and lots and lots of bombs.
        
        Why should the Muslims get all the help I say !
        
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        March 28, 2017 6:23pm
  - Kea
    
    Israeli Extremists Attack Palestinian Christians During Pentecost Prayer, Shouting “You Are Evil”
    
    A group of Israeli extremists assaulted the Pentecostal prayer procession in Jerusalem this week, shouting and trying to occupy Mount Zion to keep the Christians out.
    
    http://imemc.org/article/israeli-extremists-attack-palestinian-christians-during-pentecost-prayer-shouting-you-are-evil/
    
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    March 28, 2017 6:15pm
Kea

The perpetrators of the religiously motivated terrorist attack, that killed 240, have issued a statement confirming they do not intend to change their methods.

https://www.rt.com/news/382502-us-forces-mosul-airstrikes/
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March 28, 2017 6:04pm
- rangitoto
  
  The Shiite army claims it was a Daesh IED.
  
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  March 28, 2017 6:55pm
Kea

Jewish Extremists’ Attacks Rattle Christians in Holy Land

Assaults on churches by right-wing Jews, a new phenomenon, raise concern about movement’s increasingly aggressive tactics.

The June assault was the latest and most dramatic sign of tension between Christians in Israel and a growing movement of Jewish extremists who seek to cleanse their nation of religious minorities.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/12/151224-israel-jewish-terrorism-arson-christian-church-multiplication/
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March 28, 2017 6:07pm
- SPC
  
  You have one thing right, those who complain about discrimination against Christians in Moslem nations tend to overlook this.
  
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  March 28, 2017 6:21pm
  - Kea
    
    Jews are no less radical than Muslims. If Muslims were given the same benefits Jews have, then terrorism would dry up instantly. Why strap on a suicide vest to kill 4, when you can call in a US airstrike and murder thousands ?
    
    History records that Jews did in fact you terrorism to achieve their goals, in particular false flag attacks they attempted to blame on Muslims.
    
    Not that I expect you to be able to discuss these facts sensibly. You lack the intellect to see past the Jews- as -victims narrative and you instantly go into defensive mode, diverting, ad hominems, weasel words etc
    
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    March 28, 2017 6:30pm
    - Harriet
      
      But the Jews have stopped doing it. So too have a whole host of other countries. The muslims never stop.
      And Jews aren’t given benefits to stop them from terrorizing others. Muslims are.
      
      Jews are victims – most certainly over the last few thousand years. You can hardly say that about aboriginals in Aussie. Or American Indians. Or African Americans.
      
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    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Kea,
      
      You need to make the distinction between regular Jews and Ultra-Orthodox Jews. (The latter refuse to do military service in Israel.)
      
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      March 28, 2017 8:58pm
      - Kea
        
        No I do not. Any more than you fail to make that distinction with Muslims.
        
        Many Zionists are not particularly religious. Many orthodox Jews actually oppose the state of Israel as blasphemy and are strongly critical of its actions. As are many leading Jewish intellectuals.
        
        The notion I am anti the Jews is nonsense designed to shame me into silence. The reality is many Jews agree with my position. I have spoken with people who served in the IDF who agree with me.
        
        Don’t you of all people buy into the bullshit. You are smarter than them.
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:02pm
- EAD
  
  Thank you Kea for bringing all of these nasty incidents of the laughably self styled “Chosen Ones”.
  
  If this morning on GD is anything to go by – the commentariat here will probably label you the supremacist for pointing out inconvenient facts.
  
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  March 28, 2017 6:31pm
  - Kea
    
    EAD, its the lies and double standards that do my head in. You are one of least bigoted people here, as you judge people by their actions not their religion.
    
    You also do not display double standards and are honest.
    
    I am guessing you would sit and have a beer with the average Jewish person same as I would. The whole “nazi” thing is just an appeal to emotion for the intellectual and moral cripples as they have not facts to back up their prejudices.
    
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    March 28, 2017 6:38pm
  - SPC
    
    So who is inferred here as the sly, not so bold, supremacist here EAD?
    
    For mine, there are Jews, Christians (you yourself I and also those proposing the supremacy of the white race nation) and then Moslems posing as the favoured of God, – there are otherwise the one party dictatorship factions, of both right and left from national socialist (Germany, Syria, Iraq) to the communist (Soviet Union and China).
    
    I note the parallel of Moslems pre conquest preaching hudna, to national socialists and communists campaigning within the democracy, only to aspire to replace it with their dictatorship.
    
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    March 28, 2017 7:05pm
    - Kea
      
      SPC why did you use white peoples standards to judge white people ?
      
      Why not use African, Chinese, Indian standards as your guide, instead of the few % of the world that is white ?
      
      Come on SPC crawl out of the sewer and step into the light [It’s white too BTW 🙂 ]
      
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      March 28, 2017 7:10pm
    - EAD
      
      @ SPC,
      
      what does the loaded word “supremacy” actually mean? I mean there is only nation in the world that defines themselves as being “chosen by god” and strictly enforces a racist, discriminatory immigration policy that ensures only fellow tribesmen are allowed to immigrate.
      
      I think, bar a few nutjobs that what you laughably call “white supremacy” just means wanting for white countries, what every other country in the world has and what we’ve had for millenia – the right to live in the lands our forefathers fought and died for as an absolute majority without insane immigration policies that is on path to reduce us to despised minorities in a sea of 3rd world detritus.
      
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      March 28, 2017 7:20pm
      - SPC
        
        I used it in two senses, firstly those who identify themselves as the favoured of God in the religious sense, which Jews did first as a national myth, then Christian and then Moslem. Second I used it in the sense of dominance in government.
        
        Related to this have been arguments for the supremacy of the white race in progress of humanity, and cultural order (if they mean the modern democratic society, comparatively recent – of the Christian religion well designed by Jews, at least originally).
        
        PS the Jewish state does not identify itself (well not yet) as “chosen” (the religious would reject that if it did). That concept is historic, and to the extent that it continues does so with the faith of the people wherever they are.
        
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        March 28, 2017 7:32pm
      - SPC
        
        Do you have an objection to white race
        nations having a preference for descendants of
        former citizens as immigrants?
        
        Israel has a preference for Jews …
        
        In more general terms, immigration is predicated on population and economic policy. Nations with aging populations and a declining population tend to allow it, and nations that have traditionally received immigration consider more of it for economic reasons.
        
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        March 28, 2017 7:41pm
cha

A Muslim spells it out.

This is just one of many manifestations of a paradox Muslims, especially those of us living in the West, face in the modern world: They are threatened by Islamophobic forces against which they need the protections offered by liberalism — freedom of speech, freedom of religion, nondiscrimination. But the same liberalism also brings them realities that most of them find un-Islamic — irreverence toward religion, tolerance of L.G.B.T. people, permissive attitudes on sex. They can’t easily decide, therefore, whether liberalism is good or bad for Muslims.

The same paradox can also be seen in the debates over female dress. When illiberal secularists in the West interfere regarding the outfits of conservative Muslim women — with bans on the burqa, the “burkini” or even just the head scarf — the defense is found within liberalism: Women have the right to “dress as they please.” This, of course, is a perfectly legitimate argument in a free society.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/27/opinion/is-free-speech-good-for-muslims.html?_r=1&referer=
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- SPC
  
  Yes it is a paradox.
  
  There are others, Zionists seeking a nation, so Jews can have a homeland of their own like other ethnic peoples/cultural groups, yet seeking to brands this nation in ways they would call discriminatory when a (liberal polity advocating) minority.
  
  It is the self-interest in two separate circumstances – a bit like those who want easy access to travel and work abroad but do not immigrants to their own country.
  
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  March 28, 2017 7:15pm
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    The “Jews” have what ISIS want. A nation build on religion. They are a religious group who were not even close to being the first inhabitants of the region.
    
    How about we give the Mormons their own country ? Say a big chunk of Israel… you know so they can have a “homeland”.
    
    Jews have lived there continually for centuries. There was no need to create a religious theme park for them.
    
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    March 28, 2017 7:26pm
    - SPC
      
      There are homosexual Jews, a legion of ME born tarts competing with Russian whores for attention on the Tel Aviv beach. A religious nation like in Iran, Saudi Arabia that IS also wants – ha ha.
      
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      March 28, 2017 7:45pm
      - Kea
        
        “a legion of ME born tarts competing with Russian whores for attention”
        
        Sure sounds like the promised land to me. 🙂
        
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        March 28, 2017 8:31pm
Kea

Talmudic Quotes

The decisions of the Talmud are words of the living God. Jehovah himself asks the opinions of earthly rabbis when there are difficult affairs in heaven.

Rabbi Menachen, Comments for the Fifth Book

To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.

Libbre David 37

A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them.

Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17

That the Jewish nation is the only nation selected by God, while all the remaining ones are contemptible and hateful.

That all property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which consequently is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples. An orthodox Jew is not bound to observe principles of morality towards people of other tribes. He may act contrary to morality, if profitable to himself or to Jews in general.

A Jew may rob a Goy, he may cheat him over a bill, which should not be perceived by him, otherwise the name of God would become dishonoured.

Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat, 348
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March 28, 2017 7:29pm
- EAD
  
  But that can’t be right though Kea – all I ever hear on GD debate is how evil the Koran is. Guess they’ve never read the Jewish Holy Talmud……
  
  Are then there are some (no doubt inspired by Jewish “thinker” Max Horkheimer and his doctrine of Critical Theory) that have been brainwashed into thinking the bible is a book of hate – probably because the New Testament is a book all about Jesus showing the Jews the errors of their ways. The same kind of “hate” are subject to for pointing out the errors of their ways 🙂
  
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  March 28, 2017 7:47pm
  - Kea
    
    But that can’t be right though Kea – all I ever hear on GD debate is how evil the Koran is.
    
    Oh those people are just anti-Semites™
    
    plural noun: Semites
    a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.
    
    They are also Holocaust deniers:
    
    http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.co.nz/2011/03/bosnian-genocide-pictures-are-worth.html
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:27pm
- SPC
  
  When the Moslem was victimised he lashed out with violence, the Jew was a victim he went to the Talmud to express himself and hear the anguish of fellow Jews – the wise learning that hate for them had a consequence in their hate towards the other … a needless cycle if neither party overcame it.
  
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  March 28, 2017 8:33pm
  - Kea
    
    What a load of absolute bullshit even by KB standards !
    
    The Jews launched numerous terrorist attacks in the past. The last two decades have been drenched in blood and suffering with millions killed for the Jews.
    
    Saying the USA did it, is like saying the Poles killed all the people in Auschwitz. The USA’s war on terror is a global genocide directed by the Israel lobby and is nothing more than that. Hundreds of millions have had their lives and country destroyed and its still going.
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:45pm
    - EAD
      
      The Jews launched numerous terrorist attacks in the past. The last two decades have been drenched in blood and suffering with millions killed for the Jews
      
      And of course let’s not forget the Bolshevik revolution…
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:02pm
      - Kea
        
        Yes the USSR was the work of communist Jews. They killed more people in the Ukraine [alone] in a year than the most inflated holocaust figures. On top of that were tens of millions more with death camps across Russia, Central Asia, Eastern Europe in the biggest and most hideous reign of terror in human history.
        
        Lev Davidovich Bronstein [Trotsky] and co’s contribution to politics.
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:09pm
      - SPC
        
        In the Ukraine when Stalin (Georgian) was leader.
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:13pm
    - SPC
      
      Er no. When under the imperial regime, whether old Rome or Christian Rome or Christendom or Moslem over-rule – during the period of Talmud writing the Jew (barring a few failed rebellions against Roman over-rule) was the victim of oppression.
      
      Thus the angst found in the Talmud, the sort now found on blogs amongst some white race nationalists.
      
      Sure since revival of nationalism in 19th C Europe, Jews have become more assertive – supporting the end of empire in Russia, multi-cultural plurality within nations they were domiciled in, and redemption of their own nation/Zionism.
      
      The Germans own their actions, the Americans own their actions.
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:24pm
      - Kea
        
        You start excusing the hateful words of the Talmud, something I don’t see you doing with the Quran, then finish by telling us Germans and Americans own their own actions, while excusing the actions of Jews !
        
        This sort of intellectual dishonesty requires an explanation. As do your outright lies.
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:29pm
      - SPC
        
        1. words are not actions.
        2. identifying hate for the other as a poor
        response to being hated is not making excuses for it.
        3. it is common for those who attack groups of people to turn on those who dare to debate the issue with them.
        
        Why are you the way you are …
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:37pm
  - Kea
    
    ” the Jew was a victim he went to the Talmud to express himself and hear the anguish of fellow Jews – the wise learning that hate for them had a consequence in their hate towards the other …”
    
    This terrorist was made PM:
    
    The King David Hotel explosion of July 22, 1946 (Palestine), which resulted in the deaths of 92 Britons, Arabs and Jews, and in the wounding of 58, was not just an act of “Jewish extremists,” but a premeditated massacre conducted by the Irgun in agreement with the highest Jewish political authorities in Palestine-
    
    http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4667.htm
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:49pm
    - SPC
      
      The Jew stopped writing in the Talmud some time before modern Zionism – not being as victim anymore being an equal.
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:26pm
      - Kea
        
        SPC oh I get. There is a special exception/pleading to every principle, but only for Jews.
        
        In note: You expressly said there is no such allowance for the Germans.
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:42pm
      - SPC
        
        Those who restrict their activism to words are judged by the hate in them, those who act against others are judged by their actions – do you find such distinctions difficult to understand?
        
        Or just pretend to?
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:48pm
      - Kea
        
        How do you judge the violent actions of Jews, now you have been provided with specific examples ?
        
        And do you have the integrity to withdraw your lies about Jews being non violent in achieving their goals ?
        
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        March 28, 2017 9:56pm
  - Kea
    
    49 Years Ago the US Covered Up an Israeli False Flag Attack that Killed 34 Americans, Wounded 173
    
    On June 8, 1967, 34 American servicemen were slaughtered and 173 more wounded after Israeli forces repeatedly attacked the USS Liberty in international waters. The Liberty was not a battleship and was entirely unable to defend itself as the hours-long assault took place.
    
    For decades, the US government threatened the survivors with jail if they spoke about it and kept the truth from the public…Survivors of the attack have long maintained that Israel intended to kill the entire crew and sink the USS Liberty as a means of scapegoating blame for the incident onto Egypt.
    
    The attack on the USS Liberty lasted for over two hours, but just sixteen minutes after the attacks had begun audio evidence confirms that the Israelis knew the identity as that of an American vessel.
    
    These recordings can be heard in the documentary, which aired on Al Jazeera.
    “To what state does she belong?” (Answer): “American”
    Yet the attacks continued for another hour and forty-five minutes!
    Five minutes prior to the commencing of the attack, Israeli Air Force pilots can be heard questioning whether the ship was an American vessel.
    “Is it an American ship?” “What do you mean American?” “No comment.”
    The first torpedo hit the USS Liberty twenty minutes after a ground controller confirmed to Israeli Air Force pilots that the ship was indeed part o the U.S. Navy. Incredibly, even after the confirmation that it was an American ship, a voice can be heard clearly confirming that the ship is to be destroyed – remember this is after the ship has been identified as American craft.
    
    After the initial torpedo struck the Liberty, torpedo boats circled and strafed the vessel with machinegun fire, gunning down American sailors attempting to flee the damaged vessel in lifeboats — a war crime according to the Geneva convention.
    
    Read more at http://thefreethoughtproject.com/59-years-covered-israeli-false-flag-attack-killed-34-americans-wounded-173/#KLucXWWbFQMFxqjF.99
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:52pm
  - EAD
    
    Thank you SPC for at least admitting that the Talmud exists and is a book of hate towards fellow men.
    
    Getting such honesty is difficult from the GD crowd – I posted a series of links this morning of a catalogue of Jewish hoaxes so that they could get the sympathy card and scare their flock into believing that “Oy Vey – we is so persecuted.
    
    I asked the baying mob to debate with me and not one person choose to and instead accused me of being the “hater”,”Nazi” and “Victim Framer”.
    
    No wonder Chutzpah is a Jewish word!
    
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    March 28, 2017 8:56pm
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      Not one, how do you define person then?
      
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      March 28, 2017 9:29pm
Kea

Those nasty Germans. This will teach them !
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March 28, 2017 9:16pm
Manolo

How to cut your own throat:
http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20170327/la-mayor-vows-to-fight-trump-administration-attempt-to-strip-sanctuary-city-funding
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Manolo

Unbound correctness:
http://news.sky.com/story/daily-mail-legs-it-headline-causes-outrage-mps-brand-it-moronic-and-sexist-10816232

The Daily Mail tells critics to “get a life” after a backlash over its Prime Minister v Nicola Sturgeon “Legs-it” headline.
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