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duggledog

Jack Lame – Should farmers pay for water?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11823866

Shit I just cannot wait for the short-sighted retards who are going apeshit about a bit of water going offshore to start complaining about the price of milk in supermarkets when it doubles.

Not to mention paying an extra $5.00 a box on top of the $20.00 they already pay for their lolly water lager

Not to mention whatever the Maoris start levying for a view of their Waikato River or the use of their Rangitikei to catch a fish.

If farmers have to pay for water, and I believe eventually they will, then, pardon the pun, the floodgates will open.
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March 26, 2017 8:01am
- Awww C-mon
  
  It’s thrown around that it takes 400l of water to make 1l of milk, it’s probably about right.
  10 cents per litre is been mentioned as the right price for water…
  So what’s young Jack going to say when coke goes up by 40-50 cents (guessing on some manufacturing demand on water) for a 2l bottle and milk goes up by $40?
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:19am
  - mikenmild
    
    I think we should seek Penny Bright’s opinion on how much we should charge for water.
    
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    March 26, 2017 8:22am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I think you’re just being silly 😎
      
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      March 26, 2017 8:33am
      - sooty
        
        Well l think he is stupid! I would like to say something else, but l wont.
        
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        March 26, 2017 9:38am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Silly boy! Did you not learn from Steve Irwin not to poke things with a stick!
      
      We know she will have an opinion for sure and we already know how much value she sees in her rates, however, I for one, am not interested.
      
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      March 26, 2017 8:58am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Interesting thing would be how much of that 400l comes direct out of the sky onto paddocks as opposed to from irrigation
    
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    March 26, 2017 8:31am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Also, a milking cow will drink about 200l a day I believe, our mates at safe won’t want that to change so perhaps we need to charge each farmer to pay for a group of fluid accountants to accurately measure water use and demand so we can correctly charge for the amount of water used in ways the media currently disagree with??
      
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      March 26, 2017 8:37am
      - Harriet
        
        200l wouldn’t be the amount – that’s 10 times 20l pails of water == over a 12hr day that would mean the bladder would contain around 20l at any given time, that’s a lot of water. More like 50l a day max!.
        I’m presuming cows have bladders or I’m talking shit.
        
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        March 26, 2017 9:32am
      - sooty
        
        Just imagine going to the beach for a swim, or anything to do with water. There is the clip board warrior, complete with white coat.
        
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        March 26, 2017 9:42am
    - holysheet
      
      I suppose with most dairy farmers not relying on irrigation, the cost of the water in their milk is zero?
      
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      March 26, 2017 8:39am
  - Biscuit
    
    Aw, be nice to Cute Jack.
    
    Did you not read his ‘I’m-on-TV-so-my-opinion-is-IMPORTANT’ fluff piece the other day?
    
    We got told (by him) that he bikes home after his show each day..
    None of that wasting fuel for him.
    The chap’s a saint, I tells thee…
    
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    March 26, 2017 10:54am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I have never seen tosser spelt that way before, it is a marvel how the English language evolves and changes.
      
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      March 26, 2017 11:22am
  - Dafixeruppa
    
    Does anyone still actually believe that crap about it taking 400l of water to make 1l of milk?
    (Well maybe if you look at total water usage for all agriculture in New Zealand, that is dairy, beef, sheep, deer, goats and all the alternative farming vs the NZ Dairy milk production, then maybe…)
    
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    March 27, 2017 8:06am
- big bruv
  
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  Of course farmers should have to pay for water, if its good enough for Aucklanders to pay for water then so should farmers.
  It has become clear that Farmers are the biggest bludgers in this nation, if it rains too much don’t worry, the tax payer will bail us out, if it does not rain enough, again don’t worry, the tax payer will bail us out, and now they want free water!
  
  It’s time to start paying your fair share Farmers.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:36am
  - kowtow
    
    What’s a fair share?
    
    By the time you work out who in Aotearoa is not paying their “fair share” and depending on one’s biases I think we’d find that only the top 5 % wealthiest people in Aotearoa were paying their “fair share” and strangely enough there’s a lot of people here in Aotearoa who’d like to see them swinging from lamp poles…….
    
    I’m of the view that farmers are the backbone of this country .
    
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    March 26, 2017 8:44am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Where is this ‘Aotearoa’ place of which you speak?
      
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      March 26, 2017 9:33am
      - Lance
        
        Somewhere near Taupo isn’t it?
        
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        March 26, 2017 11:54am
      - Paulus
        
        The name Ao………….. something is now the stock place as named by TVNZ repeaters as they have been told to call New Zealand under new PC edict.
        
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        March 26, 2017 12:56pm
      - stiglet
        
        It is a small group of islands in the south pacific. Its name, if I understand correctly, may be a loose translation of “land of the drained white taxpayer.”
        
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        March 26, 2017 2:37pm
  - peterwn
    
    Town water costs a few dollars per tonne (ie 1000 litres) and most of this cost is for pipes although depending on circumstances headworks (including long haul pipes and possibly pumps to population centres) can become very expensive. The cost of extracting and delivering farm water could be very little depending on circumstances. So royalties of anywhere near a few dollars a tonne for farmers etc would be ridiculous.
    Presumably those who want bottlers, industry and farmers to pay for water would object to paying for their own water – witness the objections to proposals to install water meters where there are none at present (eg majority of Wellington houses) or groups who aid and abet fraudulent taking of town water in Auckland.
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:23am
  - Viking2
    
    Gees bruv don’t display such ignorance.
    you don’t pay for the water. What you pay for is the instant gratification that you get when you turn on the tap and fill you whisky glass with clean filtered, safe to drink H2O.
    i.e. you pay for the collecting, treatment and transport via a supply line of health giving, life giving water. The water is free or will be until the special ones get their noses into the water trough with the cows.
    
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    March 26, 2017 12:42pm
- KevOB
  
  All governments are going to regret the compromise by AG Finlayson to allow corporate personhood for a river.
  Water has been free and a free right. It is not costless and the local authorities set their own charges for collection, treatment and distribution. They do not have rights to tax so cannot have an impost on water solely for bottling or offshore disposition. Government can impose such charges by law if proper.
  Best to leave well-enough alone.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:47am
  - Jigsaw
    
    KevOB – You must have noticed that DF has carefully not mentioned the personhood for a river or indeed the ongoing incredible mess of the RMA reform and sell out of National to iwi interests. Like the National caucus he is obviously either being warned to stay away from the subjects or knows better than to go near them.
    
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    March 26, 2017 11:15am
    - Viking2
      
      The PM pointed out the other night on TV that we didn’t want to go near charging for water because that would immediately expidite Treaty claims. His interview was followed by the special ones making a noise about just that.
      
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      March 26, 2017 12:46pm
- oldpark
  
  Not forgetting the price of all foodstuffs will double and then some,should “free” water be charged for.
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:43am
- Longknives
  
  Jack “Calls Bullshit” on the theory that a strong and prosperous Agricultural Sector is good for New Zealand’s Economy as a whole…
  
  My word. This guy really doesn’t know much about Economics does he?
  
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  March 26, 2017 10:16am
  - calendar girl
    
    In his narrow little world, the only meaningful ‘occupation’ or ‘business’ is to be found in broadcast communications.
    
    That’s where all ‘celebrities’ and the modern art of ‘virtue signalling’ find their true home.
    
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    March 26, 2017 11:50am
    - calendar girl
      
      p.s. Let’s not decry Tame totally as a newspaper opinion-piece writer. He is, after all, right up there with the impressive Lizzie Marvelley.
      
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      March 26, 2017 11:55am
- Paulus
  
  How much of the estimated 400,000,000,000 (that’s Trillion) litres of water annually that falls on New Zealand are we talking about ?
  
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  March 26, 2017 12:53pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Compare and contrast (status of Selwyn river that has recently had a dry run resulting to much media and environmentalist hyperventilating):
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/90532940/selwyn-river-is-ground-zero-for-mismanagement-of-water-says-ecan-councillor-lan-pham
  
  1867 newspaper report:
  https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/THD18970806.2.32?query=%22Selwyn+River%22+%22dry%22
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:22pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If a farmer collects (at his own expense) the water falling on his land, then he should not be charged for the use of this water.
  If he draws water (at his own expense) from streams/rivers running through his property, provided that he does not deprive downstream parties of adequate supply of water, then he should not be charged for the use of this water.
  
  Discharge of waste/effluent is a separate matter.
  
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  March 26, 2017 7:01pm
Captain Mainwaring

John Key resigned.
Since then Williamson has lost eight tosses in a row, retired All Blacks are disgracing themselves in France, the Warriors and the Phoenix are trying to out-do each other for dunce team of the year, Lydia Ko missed a cut and has lost her No.1 world ranking, and the Blues have won a game.
I didn’t realise that JK had such influence.
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March 26, 2017 8:06am
- Manolo
  
  I blame all these tragic events not on JK, but on AGW, scourge of humanity.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:11am
MrTips

If water, or water containing products, are bought into/sold from NZ, and a river can be a living being (as the pantheist money chasers whom have infiltrated the Whanganui council assure us) …….

then are MPI going to assure all overseas and NZ consumers that water products are safe to consume? After all, MPI protects us from nasty unwanted living beings in our food/supply chain don’t they and you need permits for that kind of thing?

Yes that’s how crazy this shit could get. Don’t think China for eg. wouldn’t find that as a loophole to stop imports of anything if they got annoyed.

Won’t someone in government put a stop to this lunacy?
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March 26, 2017 8:14am
- G152
  
  Just wait until there is a large fire and they cant afford the water to put it out.
  And stock dying of thirst beside a ‘swimmable’ river because the cocky cant afford his weekly stock water
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:26am
Happychappy

You have to laugh at Hager and Stephenson calling the raids in retaliation to Lt O’Connell being killed and the hate for those that were responsible for it. Well I would suggest that their hate and distain for John Key is the only reason this book has been penned to make sure he is pulled into a mission he gave the ok to and they announced this on his final day in Parliament to do as much damage as they could. It is a absolute tragedy that people of the calibre of these two people that they use the deaths of other to try and change a government.
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March 26, 2017 8:27am
- kowtow
  
  People of that calibre indeed , but look at our own media’s role in this ,they’re playing it for all it’s worth.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:30am
  - GazzaW
    
    Red Radio’s Media Watch this morning was utterly skewed and not even a token effort was made to present both sides of the argument. Further, RNZ took the opportunity to give their commercial rivals Leighton Smith and Mike Hosking a lambasting for their offhanded treatment of Hager.
    
    Never mind an inquiry into the NZDF an inquiry into the need for the continued existence of RNZ under its current management would be more appropriate.
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:57am
    - Paulus
      
      Under the UN mandate, which we signed, it is a Police matter before any other enquiry can take place.
      
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      March 26, 2017 1:00pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  What’s worse is that Hager and Stephenson seem to have no concern whatsoever for the O’Donnell family, who are now having to re-live the sadness of their son’s death all over again.
  
  Hager cares not a jot about the fallout from his books.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:38am
  - mikenmild
    
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    That would have to be the weakest possible argument against the book.
    
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    March 26, 2017 8:50am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The weakest possible argument for producing this latest novella, is its merits; there are none.
      
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      March 26, 2017 9:41am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      They could have at least given the family advance warning about the book mikenmild. Instead, Lt O’Donnell’s parents found out about it on the TV news.
      
      Poor show Hager and Stephenson. I guess the potential hit on National would have been less if anyone had forewarning about the book.
      
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      March 26, 2017 8:05pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Really? The book doesn’t contain anything bad about him, does it?
        
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        March 26, 2017 8:06pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And now of course Deborah Manning, defender of terrorism, has jumped on the bandwagon.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:39am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Harrison and Manning, Hearse Chasers to the Stone Age must have their business cards in every phone box in Afghanistan on the off chance bereaved rellies can contact them for a class action orchestrated by a bit of faux outrage from the perpetually offended.
    
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    March 26, 2017 8:52am
  - Inandout
    
    The same lawyer who defended Armed Zaoui, and is a friend of Cunliffe.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11237971
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:38am
  - oldpark
    
    Lets hope the NZ Defence Force sue Busted Grape Face,and goody two shoes Manning,who has been out meddling in the phantom fairy tale since September 2016, put out by Hager the Horrible who is denigrating our noble soldiers by way of unproven lies. . Manning and her gang of holier than thou, so called legal profession,should be careful what they have got involved in,the last legal eagle to go down that road,has been struck off the legal register in United Kingdom.His claims of soldier “war” crimes were found to be fiction..Last reports the lying craven legal eagle is close to be bankrupted.Sounds appropiate.
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:57am
    - mikenmild
      
      How did they get on last time in court with Stephenson?
      
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      March 26, 2017 10:02am
- themanwhowatches
  
  Allegations are made about NZ troops killing civilians in a raid, the media goes into a frenzy whipping up outrage and demands are made from all sides for an inquiry. This very morning, allegations are made of hundreds of civilians killed by Coalition forces’ raids but what – item number 4 on RNZ news after a story about Indian students who can’t speak English and buried way down the page on the Herald site. Outrage? Nup.
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:24am
kowtow

The Swedes themselves know they have major problems.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170324/sweden-to-get-new-anti-segregation-authority

https://www.thelocal.se/20161028/study-every-tenth-student-in-gothenburg-suburbs-has-extremist-sympathies
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March 26, 2017 8:28am
Southern Raider

So police track multiple offenders who have been breaking into vehicles to a kindergarten.

They tell the offenders to come out and that they have a dog. The offenders don’t come out and a 12 year old girl gets bitten.

Maori Party is up in arms along with other liberal groups.

Please explain how the fuck the Police are supposed to know who is hiding and how old they are if a dog was used to track them?

Shouldn’t the Maori Party and others concentrate on why a 12 year old girl is roaming the streeets at night and then breaking into cars?
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March 26, 2017 8:29am
- holysheet
  
  The murri party doesn’t give a fuck about these kids. If they did, they would be supporting the police at every chance. It’s just that most of the murri party supporters are these ferals doing all the crime.
  It’s a race between the murri party and liabore who can get most of them to vote for.
  Not much of a choice really, but then I suppose when you are out committing crime, who you might vote for is the last thing going through your feeble mind.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:45am
- Happychappy
  
  Does anyone really believe that the Parents of these young people don’t know what they have been up to. Any Parent of a twelve year old must be aware when they come home under the influence of alcohol or drugs with extra money and other give away clues. I have said this before but it is time that the Law put it back on the parent and held them responsible for crimes they commit, my two girls were not allowed to be out at all hours when they were twelve, thirteen, fourteen or fifteen.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:57am
  - GoVege
    
    “Must be aware”?
    Not if they (the parents ) are under the influence too!
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:20am
- GoVege
  
  I so long go the day when a spokesperson for the Maori Party…like mum of 9, Marana Fox…gets up and tells Maori parents to start looking after their kids instead of letting them run wild, and even teach them crime like some I know do.
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:44pm
Nukuleka

There is no hope for Western civilisation when a reputable mainstream newspaper shifts the blame for the Westminster terrorist atrocity from the perpetrator onto the villagers in the village where he lived. The Telegraph reports ‘London attacker Khalid Masood snapped because of racism in his village.’ The killer becomes a victim and the real victims are all but forgotten. How well such a line plays into the hands of both the extreme Islamists and the progressive Western liberal left.

Ah well, as long as they turn off the lights on the Eiffel Tower, light a few candles and sing yet another verse of ‘Kumbaya’ (we’re getting to know that song pretty well by now, aren’t we) all should be fine.
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March 26, 2017 8:35am
- GoVege
  
  I suspect Masood’s problems might have more to do with his biological father taking off when he was born.
  And there being no legal abortion available in the ’60’s for young single girls.
  
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  March 26, 2017 12:08pm
krazykiwi

No Reid, Griff or Stoopid-boy.

Kinda different around here these days.

I blame John Key.
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March 26, 2017 8:42am
- Keeping Stock
  
  No ztev yet this morning either. Maybe he’s on the late shift after his gallant effort yesterday to defend the indefensible.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:43am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    He was on fire for sure wasn’t he, on everything like a robbers dog.
    
    Adele may well be singing about setting fire to the rain but the ztev team sure know how to shit on a blog
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:09am
  - krazykiwi
    
    No ztev yet this morning either.
    
    I doubt he’s at church 😀
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:53am
    - GazzaW
      
      Maybe at a fundraising sausage sizzle for Andrew.
      
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      March 26, 2017 11:59am
- holysheet
  
  And it wont be long before you can say no kea, as well
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:47am
- Southern Raider
  
  How long is Kea going to last this time?
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:48am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And don’t forget that his next transgression will be his tenth, and he will be gone forever, just like philu.
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:13am
    - krazykiwi
      
      You forget e-reincarnation 😀
      
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      March 26, 2017 9:20am
      - holysheet
        
        Didn’t you mean reinkeanation?
        
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        March 26, 2017 11:09am
EAD

Amazing write-up in the light of the London attacks:

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2017/03/values-to-die-for.html?m=0

Here is the intro:

Well folks, there’s been another Muslim terror attack in London and once again everybody is wandering about trying to figure out what our ”Shared British Values” actually are. Words used most frequently to describe our shared British values are ”tolerance”, ”democracy”, ”freedom of speech” (but not Hate Speech that’s a serious crime), ”openness” and of course ”diversity”. The mass media and political class have added an extra crinkle for this particular terror attack, which they usually do when London is involved, they invoke ”The Big One”, yes, the Blitz is back!.

Theresa May channels her inner Churchill and spurs on the multicultural masses to brave it out, we’re not afraid! We faced the Nazis and won, and sometime soon Abdul is going to feel our wrath….Except we can’t call them ”Abdul” that would be incitement to racial hatred, and we can’t call them ”Them” either unless we qualify it first by saying ”some misunderstanders of Islam”. Even then, invoking the fighting spirit of World War 2 is rather problematic, it’s one thing to ask the public to soldier on stoically while they’re slaughtered, but you have to at least allow them a vision of a victory or a coherent fightback.
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March 26, 2017 8:42am
- mikenmild
  
  I think you might find that Churchill was careful to distinguish between the Germans people and their Nazi leaders, so it might be properly Churchillian to distinguish between Islamist terrorists and all ‘Abduls’.
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:55am
  - kowtow
    
    The Koran, the literal word of God, exhorts its followers to hate Jews and despise all non Muslims.
    Their daily prayer is a reminder to all that they are themselves the faithful and all others are not.
    
    The Koran, as the snowflakes would say , is hate speech as is the daily call to prayers.
    
    The west needs to educate itself to the dangerous ideology that is Islam.
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:07am
    - GoVege
      
      “The Koran…exhorts it’s followers to hate Jews and despise all non-Muslims”.
      We have legislation against hate speech.
      Isn’t it time we extended this to organizations that promote hate (and even murder.)
      Shut down any organization/religious movement that promotes hate/violence and followers of such twisted beliefs will have to either tone it down or go back to their 3rd world nations.
      
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      March 26, 2017 1:16pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    So glad you mentioned Churchill as he quite correctly observed….
    
    “Islam to a man is like rabies to a dog. Islam is a deadly disease”
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:11am
    - mikenmild
      
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      No one could believe Churchill was right about everything…
      
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      March 26, 2017 9:13am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Right enough about most things to be, and remain, memorable
        
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        March 26, 2017 9:30am
      - Longknives
        
        Fastest Mikenmild backtrack ever!
        
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        March 26, 2017 10:09am
      - mikenmild
        
        Churchill is a bit of a hobby of mine, Longknives, so I’m well aware of the hagiography that surrounds him.
        
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        March 26, 2017 10:22am
      - EAD
        
        Milkmaid says:
        
        Churchill is a bit of a hobby of mine, Longknives, so I’m well aware of the hagiography that surrounds him.
        
        What’s your view on this Churchill quote then?
        
        This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States)… this worldwide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing.
        
        It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the 19th century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.”
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2002/nov/28/features11.g21
        
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        March 26, 2017 3:36pm
      - mikenmild
        
        As I said, people should be careful of uncritical worship of Churchill.
        Who would have thought that a scion of the nineteenth century English nobility could express anti-Semitic thoughts?
        But I still think we should have a statue of him across from the one of Gandhi outside Wellington Railway Station.
        
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        March 26, 2017 3:44pm
      - EAD
        
        https://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/4061/9266/original.jpg
        
        PS: Thanks for the downtick Milkmaid
        
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        March 26, 2017 3:53pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Don’t thank me. You should be thanking DPF for his tolerance in allowing you to smear your anti-Jewish shit over his blog.
        
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        March 26, 2017 4:02pm
      - cha
        
        Thanks for the downtick Milkmaid
        
        Bogus cartoon.
        
        Garrison’s an end the fed libertarian loon but he’s not what you wish he was.
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2015/12/22/ben-garrison-how-the-internet-made-a-fake-white-supremacist/
        
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        March 26, 2017 4:12pm
wiseowl

Punishment this morning was listening to Red Radio long enough to hear a most frightening piece where a bevy of brainwashed MPs discussed climate change and the possum from Ohariu states that all parties agree that ‘we’ must do something about it or we are all doomed.
It is a sad day when all parties and all MP s are so convinced by the biggest con in the world today.
Is there any one MP that can wake up to this stupidity?
Please put your hand up.
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March 26, 2017 9:15am
- mikenmild
  
  I feel a hearty laugh come on every time one of the resident snowflakes complains about what they heard on National Radio that offended their sensibilities so much.
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:23am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Milkey: grow up. As it is the one taxpayer-funded radio network people have the right to listen to it and complain about its contents! I listen to Concert because it is the ONE classical music channel in NZ and therefore I have to put up with its regular RNZ ‘news’/ propaganda/ advocacy broadcasts. I have the right to complain about its bias. It is funded by me and others like me through taxes.
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:37am
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m not saying they can’t listen to it. I just find it hilarious that avid listeners to RNZ and keen watchers of TVNZ come on Kiwiblog day after day to complain about how the content offends them. Luckily they have this safe space to vent their frustration.
      
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      March 26, 2017 9:44am
      - double d
        
        reading Wiseowls post of 9.15am and he doesnt say the words offended or needing a safe space once. how did you infer this Mikenmild?
        Wiseowl stated his frustrations at bias in state-owned media and you are seeing that as an opportunity to reverse dump with the phrase snowflake. I think the moniker snowflake is getting to you lefty folk…..
        
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        March 26, 2017 9:57am
      - mikenmild
        
        Thanks double d. My comment was more generally about the phenomenon of constant moaning about what people hear on the state-owned media. The language I used was for my lulz.
        
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        March 26, 2017 10:04am
      - wiseowl
        
        MM
        It was not the content that I was drawing attention to but the total agreement amongst the politicians of all parties in the programme , that the science re global warming is settled and the idea that these politicians are so indoctrinated that they have their ears closed and cannot or appear not , to read or listen to other views.
        What is serious ,is that it is because of that attitude they fleece the taxpayer of millions in taxes . It unacceptable when there is ample evidence that humans are not influencing global warming and especially in New Zealand our cows and sheep make not one jot of difference.
        So for you mike I am just asking for a politician who can stand against this taxation for no reason along with a voice who questions the advice of all the so called experts who benefit from the whole con.
        
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        March 26, 2017 10:58am
      - mikenmild
        
        I don’t know why you expect your crank beliefs to get an airing on RNZ, wiseowl.
        
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        March 26, 2017 11:27am
      - GazzaW
        
        Why should Wiseowl not expec to get his crank beliefs aired on Red Radio? You get yours aired here.
        
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        March 26, 2017 1:19pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Is there one MP that can wake up to this stupidity?
  
  ACT’s David Seymour?
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:24am
  - Jigsaw
    
    Don’t hold your breath for Seymour to do anything logical-the man sold out years ago. National keep him as a tame puppy from the right….
    
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    March 26, 2017 11:22am
lastmanstanding

Just read Graeme Edgelers post..
Suggest Hagar and his mate be invited to be “embedded” ( dont you just love that word” with the SAS on a mission.

That way they can observe the SAS in action. Of course in battle sometimes things happen that are unfortunate.

I will leave it to the good readers of KB to fill in the gaps.
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March 26, 2017 9:29am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  As Corporal Jones opined on more than one occasion ‘they don’t like it up ’em’
  
  and, unfortunately, there will be enough not quite so ‘good readers of KB’ who will fill in the gaps, it will be tedious but all those gaps will be filled and a few more that you did not even consider, sigh . . .
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:35am
- holysheet
  
  I don’t like prevarication, so as my good deed today I will say it. “Collateral damage” would cover anything that would happen to this piece of shit, if he ever was in the position of being embedded with the SAS.
  If he ever escaped he would find himself bedded by the taliban.Now that would be karma.
  
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  March 26, 2017 10:02am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Ricochets happen at all sorts of angles… ( Bugger its the suppressed psychopath in me coming out again). Some very astute snowflakes on this blog know how to spot suppressed psychopaths.
  
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  March 26, 2017 11:58am
The Virgin

I was lucky enough (and proud) to be able to join the NZ Army as a regular Force Cadet in the 80’s, did an apprenticeship then moved to Infantry (‘ Cabbage Head’ as we wore green berets). In 10 years of training it was drummed in to ‘put a round into any enemy on the battlefield’ when clearing positions (wether alive or dead).
Maybe Prune Face could disclose that to the public (clearly outside the Geneva Convention) via a book. Hagers problem is he is a pacifist, so all things military to him are abhorrent and all rationale and objectivity are ignored.

As for his claim that current SAS have confided in him?, I call that BULLSHIT unless he discloses his sources. The SAS have an unenviable code of ‘brotherhood, camaraderie and loyalty’ to each other and their unit. They would not confide in a cunt like him, lets face it they write their own books and don’t need some weasel faced fucker like him to tell their stories. SAS work tirelessly, constantly putting their lives on the line and fearlessly. I can’t see Hager getting away with slandering the unit unscathed.

[DPF: Strike 1 for the c word]
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March 26, 2017 9:31am
- mikenmild
  
  Would those books be like Andy McNab’s and the other members of Bravo Two Zero, where they made up different stories and slagged each other off?
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:46am
  - The Virgin
    
    Clearly you have no idea as to how the military (units of soldiers) operate. We lived by the motto ‘work hard and play hard’, a punch up in the barracks was followed by a bender in the ‘baggies bar’.
    Slagging each other off, verbal abuse, punch ups etc was all part of living 6 or 8 to a room. When the shit went down we closed ranks and were there for each other, outside that we blew off steam.
    As for books, all ex SAS are required to have books vetted (post 1997) due to confidentiality clauses, following the Coburn court case.
    
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    March 26, 2017 10:45am
- tf78
  
  Thank you for your service and very well said Sir!
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:48am
- niggly
  
  I too find it hard to believe that SAS personnel spoke to Hager/Stephenson, but even if that is true I bet they would be regretting it now because it has become clear that Hager/Stephenson do not have their interests at heart, as now Hager/Stephenson are calling for the SAS to be “restructured” by disempowering them and removing SAS from leadership and positions of influence in the NZDF.
  
  Stephenson was interviewed by Wallace Chapman this morning saying exactly that.
  http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/sun/sun-20170326-0835-jon_stephenson_-_hit_and_run-128.mp3
  
  If Hager/Stephenson got their way the result would be most SAS would leave (rather than become token soldiers) and as a result NZ would suffer more casualties when on operations as a result of not having experienced SAS personnel to go in ahead and secure trouble spots before the main deployments of soldiers arrive.
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:52am
  - niggly
    
    Edit/add: Anti-military peaceniks like Hager/Stephenson have every right to criticise the military but they should not be advocating how the military is restructured – it is absurd and arrogant of them.
    
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    March 26, 2017 9:58am
    - mikenmild
      
      Are you suggesting that only present serving members of the military could have opinions about how the military is structured or used?
      
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      March 26, 2017 10:05am
      - niggly
        
        Absolutely! They know their organisation better than anyone else looking in from their armchairs, after all lives are on the line and they are answerable to Govt (and MP select committees) etc.
        
        Sure Govt can dictate outcomes they wish to see in terms of foreign policy objectives (which then has influence on structures via funding), but the overall design and implementation of “structures” is best done by those who know best.
        
        (And would Hager/ Stephenson have any credibility in “restructuring” other areas such as companies, banks, govt departments, private sector etc – No of course not)!
        
        And certainly not I nor especially the likes of anti-establishment types such as Hager/Stephenson, who wish to further gut the NZDF’s combat capabilities and US military ties.
        
        The air combat capability is gone (stupid in context of Chinese military expansion in South East Asia in which the Pacific is next door), the Navy’s combat effectiveness has been halved, now the remaining glittering prize for decimation is the SAS.
        
        This is the Hager/Stephenson hit job.
        
        They are in effect espousing Green Party defence policy.
        
        National won’t allow it so the real question is what will Labour’s Andrew Little do? Acquiesce Labour’s defence policy to the Greens? Andrew Little has some serious questions to answer. The voters need to know!
        
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        March 26, 2017 12:13pm
      - B.L.Zeebub
        
        Fair is fair I suppose, National party voters get to restructure the Labour party every 3 years.
        
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        March 26, 2017 1:23pm
  - Paulus
    
    Why cannot the stinking Hag tell us the name of the SAS, presumably ex, who confided in him.
    I understand so far that he was not there on the occasion detailed.
    Was he a disgruntled SAS member, or is this just fiction as thought.
    
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    March 26, 2017 1:07pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I would be surprised if any former or current SAS personnel spoke to Hager. If they spoke to anyone, it might have been Stephenson, who then passed on his “evidence” to Hager.
    
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    March 26, 2017 8:08pm
- Sideoiler
  
  I can’t see Hager getting away with slandering the unit unscathed.
  
  I would think a visit from “Keeni Meeni Services is imminent.
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:56am
- RF
  
  Ferret face had better watch his 6 as some former SAS member might just decide to sort him out.
  
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  March 26, 2017 11:34am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    The SAS have far greater integrity than to do as you suggest even if they are gritting their teeth right now.
    They have earned international recognition and respect. Ferret Face has never earned a thing in his life but has attracted a great deal of contempt and derision.
    
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    March 26, 2017 12:57pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I agree. Having served in the military, it becomes apparent that certain groups have unwritten rules about loyaly to the unit. The SAS especially so. Any SAS member ratting out on his unit would probably be sorted out in a very unofficial manner.
  
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  March 26, 2017 12:05pm
Tauhei Notts

Interesting chat with an old friend whom I haven’t seen for two years. He is a security guard, aged 72, but is valued by his employer for his knowledge gained over decades of spotting recalcitrants.
He works The Base in northern Hamilton.
“the scroats know that it is owned by their people, Tainui Group Holdings, so they misbehave elsewhere. The problem at The Base is the gangs of Indian youth; the offspring of recent immigrants from the sub-continent. Not Indians from Fiji.”
I wonder if that is another diversity dividend.
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March 26, 2017 9:41am
cmm

As anyone else woken up in the middle of the night in a sweaty panic realising that if Labour get in and Andy goes on leave Jacinda would be Acting PM?

Yes, the very Jacinda who has a professional trajectory that looks like:
* Worked as not much more than an intern in Leftie politicial offices where she got the responsibility of making photocopies and using the stapler.
* Ran the fish and chip shop when the owner ducked out for a smoke out the back.
*nice hair
* Acting PM of NZ.

Illegally fixed a bog though, so at least she’s “grounded”.

Is that really the best Labour can offer us?
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March 26, 2017 9:48am
- Harriet
  
  Yes it only gets worse from there, they move onto sexualists, racists, feminists, Marxists, environmentalists, mentally challenged……..
  
  The only thing saving them is the unionists…….as they operate in the real world to some degree in the private sector.
  
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  March 26, 2017 10:04am
- holysheet
  
  Worked for that toxic bitch Helun. Why would it not work for airhead?
  
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  March 26, 2017 10:06am
  - itstricky
    
    Why would it not work for airhead?
    
    You’re just saying that because she doesn’t own a V8.
    
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    March 26, 2017 10:40am
  - cmm
    
    Helen at least did a gig in real ministerial positions before becoming PM.
    
    Jacinda is proposed as going from zero to PM in one step.
    
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    March 26, 2017 10:52am
    - MCos
      
      Plenty of successful world leaders have gone straight into positions of power with no previous experience of elected office.
      Results are mixed.
      Some of these leaders come into power with intransigent philosophies, but without the political acumen to get results.
      
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      March 26, 2017 2:34pm
      - Dafixeruppa
        
        Case in point is the Don…. Maybe Jacinda will be the NZ version of Trump
        
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        March 27, 2017 8:22am
  - Shaun the Sheep
    
    Difference being Helun is an intelligent toxic bitch.
    
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    March 26, 2017 1:01pm
- marcw
  
  As a condition of coalition you will probably find Meteria or James would be Deputy – so the nightmare gets worse!
  
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  March 26, 2017 10:27am
  - Liberty
    
    Labour and The Greens are having another lovein.
    So where is Winston?
    Was he invited?
    
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    March 26, 2017 2:03pm
- RF
  
  Interesting seeing cartoonists drawing Jacinda. Her teeth are shown to be very very prominent more so than the noses on John Key & Bill English characters.
  
  I am sure on her salary she could afford to get her teeth sorted.
  
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  March 26, 2017 11:51am
  - cha
    
    And your pearly whites set you apart as a fucking god among men, too, you vile old cocksplat.
    
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    March 26, 2017 11:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Jacinda is less of a nightmare for me than having Andrew Little at the Helm.
  
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  March 26, 2017 12:26pm
- Paulus
  
  And illegally refitted her home toilet.
  
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  March 26, 2017 1:10pm
  - Liberty
    
    It might have been a bit illegally.
    A bit like driving at 101kmh
    It would of only taken couple of screws.
    But a lot of these silly regulations. where brought in to protect the workers.
    Now by doing the job herself.
    She has deprived the little man in the village of an income.
    This is an appalling attack on the workers.
    in the 1970s when unions had some balls. They would of gone on strike for less.
    
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    March 26, 2017 2:41pm
    - holysheet
      
      Any talk about airhead and a couple screws is not the thing to say on this forum. She would dispute the number as being far too low
      
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      March 26, 2017 2:48pm
- Peter
  
  In Labour, that’s over-qualified. At least she has worked in a working class occupation for a few weeks, which is likely more than most in the – you know – LABOUR Party.
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:30pm
- Komata
  
  Cmm
  
  Re: ‘Is that really the best Labour can offer us?’
  
  One word: ‘Yes’.
  
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  March 26, 2017 5:59pm
Longknives

Aww- This is the most Romantic thing I’ve seen all day!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/90666255/kiwi-vows-to-clear-us-murderers-name-who-shes-in-love-with

They met on a website where lonely women can hook up with Convicted Murderers! Ain’t that sweet?..
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March 26, 2017 10:26am
- mikenmild
  
  Remember the Catherine Tate sketches about marrying a guy on death row?
  
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  March 26, 2017 10:29am
- Rachael Membery
  
  Happens a lot, reeks of desperation surely?
  
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  March 26, 2017 1:10pm
- GoVege
  
  Yonks ago I bumped into a woman I knew on the bus.
  “How’s hubby?” I asked.
  “He’s in jail”, she said.
  “I’m sorry to hear that”, I said.
  “No, it’s great! For the first time in years I know where he is all the time!”she said.
  “And best of all, he is so grateful whenever I visit him!”
  Could this be why women are drawn to prisoners?
  Memo to ladies: don’t work too hard to get them released…
  
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  March 26, 2017 1:27pm
alwyn

What did the people of Wellington do to deserve the cretin we have as a mayor?
On the front page of yesterday’s DomPost we have a story about the Council wanting tax-payer, Central Government, money to improve the supply of water to the city in the event of an earthquake. Basically a whinge that the Council cannot afford to carry out its duty.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/90805237/wellington-asks-government-for-cash-to-improve-water-supply-security
Then a couple of pages further into the paper we have a story about how the Mayor is arranging to give a further $500,000 to his friends in the “artistic” community. Not to worry of course because it isn’t going to cost the ratepayer anything as they are simply reprioritising their expenditure.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/90828382/wellington-is-new-zealands-most-creative-city-and-set-to-get-500k-boost-for-arts
Well I’ve got a better way of reprioritising what OUR, not YOUR money is spent on Justin.
Spend it on the bloody water supply and in particular on the provision of a reservoir that will guarantee the Hospital has water after any earthquake. The Council has been refusing to do this for at least a decade.
Well get on with it. It is vastly more important than you looking after your “wannabe” artist friends.
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March 26, 2017 11:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You forget his proposal to bring back Katherine Mansfield’s bones to Wellington.
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90774088/move-to-have-katherine-mansfields-bones-returned-to-nz-blocked-by-english-relative
  
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  March 26, 2017 12:30pm
- Liberty
  
  The inept council also subsidies Singapore airlines.
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:09pm
Jack5

The Hooerald in a dog-whistle heading (to borrow a description from leftists) says:

Police set dog on 12-year-old hiding in kindergarten.

You read the report below and find it was at midnight and the police wouldn’t have known the hiding figure’s age. Since the report goes on to lament the proportion of Maori and Polynesians bitten by police dogs, we can assume the child was Maori.

I wonder whether police dogs could be retained to “hold” without contact, like an “eye” sheep dog, when a person freezes and gives some sort of obvious signal such as raising their hands?

If so it would be a sensible thing to teach kids in schools: “if a police dog finds you, freeze and put your hands up.”

That might reduce biting of suspects.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11825033
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March 26, 2017 11:48am
- cha
  
  They’re trained to bite, and hold until their handler releases them.
  
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  March 26, 2017 11:51am
- Dafixeruppa
  
  Actually having had the privilege of an invite to a dog handling evening with the police and being the lucky recipient of the ballistic gel sleeve… and yes you can feel the teeth right through it… We were taught to freeze and stand still if the dog is coming at/towards you and that will reduce your chance of getting bitten.
  
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  March 27, 2017 8:26am
cha

Who woulda thunk it.

The man who killed four people outside Britain’s Parliament was in Saudi Arabia three times and taught English there, the Middle Eastern country’s embassy said.

A Saudi Embassy statement released late Friday said that Khalid Masood taught English in Saudi Arabia from November 2005 to November 2006 and again from April 2008 to April 2009.

The embassy said that he had a work visa. It said he returned for six days in March 2015 on a trip booked through an approved travel agent.

The Saudi Embassy said that he wasn’t tracked by the country’s security services and didn’t have a criminal record there.

Before taking the name Masood, he was known as Adrian Elms. He was known for having a violent temper in England and had been convicted at least twice for violent crimes.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03/25/saudi-embassy-confirms-uk-attacker-had-been-in-saudi-arabia.html
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March 26, 2017 12:12pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Converted in prison (2003)?
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:26pm
- MCos
  
  There are 26,000 British expats in Saudi Arabia
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:44pm
Fletch

Paul Joseph Watson on the coming censorship of youtube based on the pretense of companies not wanting to see their ads next to content they don’t agree with. It’s understandable with things like ISIS beheading videos but they are going to take it to the extreme to silence anything they considered extremist (ie, right-wing).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bnQrajRfTM
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March 26, 2017 12:18pm
sooty

I’ looking forward to court next week. The judge says ” The defendant will rise” and Andy Crap stands up in the dock. I would love that on tape and play it on repeat! This is really going to help his election chances. Will the MSM even cover it.
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March 26, 2017 12:29pm
- stigie
  
  No, the MSM will not cover it, the left will come out and say “Move along please, nothing to see here”.
  
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  March 26, 2017 1:22pm
- fernglas
  
  You’ll have a bit of a wait. The defendant in a civil case doesn’t go anywhere near the dock. Nor does the Judge say “the defendant will rise”
  
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  March 26, 2017 1:27pm
  - sooty
    
    Ah. You take the fun out of it!
    
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    March 26, 2017 5:24pm
- GazzaW
  
  One would have to say that it won’t receive the wall to wall coverage that John Banks’ kangaroo court hearings received. The media will be otherwise engaged on a major news item such as what Adele wore on her way to the airport.
  
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  March 26, 2017 1:29pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  But, but, the Hagermans are vexatious litigants! (so sayeth The Standard from which all truthiness doth flow)
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:25pm
Fletch

Tucker Carlson interviews a highly regarded agent who worked in the NSA for over 30 years. It’s awful the amount of power these people have now. They are almost a law unto themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkChOSdOgcc
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March 26, 2017 12:35pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  William Binney doesn’t appear to be highly regarded except by pro-Kremlin troll media.
  
  Here’s his wikipedia page.
  
  Of note:
  
  In August 2014 Binney was among the signatories of an open letter by the group Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity to German chancellor Angela Merkel in which they urged the Chancellor to be suspicious of U.S. intelligence regarding the alleged invasion of Russia in Eastern Ukraine.[20][21][22] In the open letter, the group said:
  
  [A]ccusations of a major Russian “invasion” of Ukraine appear not to be supported by reliable intelligence. Rather, the “intelligence” seems to be of the same dubious, politically “fixed” kind used 12 years ago to “justify” the U.S.-led attack on Iraq.[21]
  
  It is blindingly obvious to all but hardened Kremlin supporters that Russia has invaded Ukraine. Unless Binnie has publicly renounced this position, nothing he says can be trusted.
  
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  March 26, 2017 12:53pm
- Inandout
  
  He obviously has deep knowledge of how the security services worked while he was there, but being out of the loop since 2001 must mean he is unsure of modern procedures.
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:36pm
Scorpion

Sunday Prayer from Australia

https://youtu.be/Rg8eJ-Zo2vY

The Only Australian or NZ Politician to stand up
for the Rights of NZ Woman.
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March 26, 2017 12:38pm
cha

Damn globalist child cannibal spirit cooking podesta soros clinton child trafficking pedo elites got to Alex Jones.

To my knowledge today, neither Mr. Alefantis, nor his restaurant Comet Ping Pong, were involved in any human trafficking as was part of the theories about Pizzagate that were being written about in many media outlets and which we commented upon.

https://www.infowars.com/a-note-to-our-listening-viewing-and-reading-audiences-concerning-pizzagate-coverage/
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March 26, 2017 12:54pm
- fernglas
  
  That’s the sort of grovelling that Andrew Little should have done.
  
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  March 26, 2017 1:30pm
Happychappy

So Moody’s give us a Triple A Rating for the way our Economy is performing and our ability to handle any major financial problems if they arise and the ferals on Stuff still can’t see past their nose and think Labour can do better. God help NZ if these idiots get their way.
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March 26, 2017 1:22pm
- Southern Raider
  
  Moody’s should issue an alternative rating based on different election outcomes
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:29pm
cha

Getting weirder by the day.

Briefing by Foreign Ministry Spokesperson Maria Zakharova, Moscow, March 23, 2017

[…]

Also, I would like to say that if the practice of leaking information that concerns not just the United States but also Russia, which has become a tradition in Washington in the past few years, continues, there will come a day when the media will publish leaks about the things that Washington asked us to keep secret, for example, things that happened during President Obama’s terms in office. Believe me, this could be very interesting information.

Our American colleagues must decide if they respect the diplomatic procedure, if they keep their word on the arrangements made between us, primarily arrangements made at their own request, or we create a few very nice surprises for each other.

source.
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March 26, 2017 1:32pm
Jack5

The Leftist Guardian brands anti-ISIS air strikes on Mosul an “atrocity” after they kill Iraqi civilians. Doubtless, TVNZ tonight will chime in on the air strikes.

They are sad and regrettable, but the Guardian didn’t come near labelling as an atrocity the Muslim terrorist’s London Parliament attack.

What are the Iraqis to do when ISIL uses civilians as a shield? In Stalingrad both the Nazis and the Red Army fought to the death and didn’t stop for civilians in their way. Forty thousand civilians died at Stalingrad.

Casualties in the Battle of Manila in early 1945:

Allies (nearly all American but with Filipinos) – 1010 killed, 5565 wounded. Japanese – 16,000 killed. Filipino civilians – 100,000 killed.

The Left and the Guardian increase the value to ISIL of civilian shield tactics when they excoriate the anti-ISIL Iraqis for high civilian casualties. It helps weaken the resolve of the Iraq Coalition in their daunting work. Most of us would be scared shitless.

The Blair-Bush Iraq invasions created the mess, but cleaning up the ISIL in the cities is inevitably going to be a brutal, nasty business.

Street fighting is vicious and takes a big toll of soldiers. If there is to be no air support, who is to take the heavy casualties in house-to-house, room-to-room fighting?

Does the Guardian think there are enough working class boys in the Western world ready to die in Mosul just to reduce the civilian casualty slightly and let the Guardian journos keep feeling righteous?
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March 26, 2017 2:36pm
- cha
  
  but the Guardian didn’t come near labelling as an atrocity the Muslim terrorist’s London Parliament attack.
  
  You were saying….
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  The attack outside the Houses of Parliament in London is the latest in a series of terrorist atrocities involving a vehicle being driven at speed into pedestrians – a tactic actively promoted by Islamic State.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/23/crude-nature-of-attack-suggests-lack-of-isis-network-in-britain
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops Cha, I missed that. Since that, the Guardian reports I have read headline this the Westminister attack, including this current web report:
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/25/westminster-attack-khalid-masoon-acted-alone
    
    and:
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/mar/25/hero-of-2011-riots-defends-birmingham
    
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    March 26, 2017 2:54pm
    - simpleton1
      
      Police;- “We must all accept that there is a possibility we will never understand why he did this. That understanding may have died with him.”
      After all he acted alone. Never read koran hadith etc. or attended mosque. yeah right.
      
      And again just today, we may never know, cars and knives, and pedestrians skittled in Islington. Still the police say it is not a terrorist action, though to be fair a bit soon to really know.
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4349694/Four-pedestrians-left-injured-man-drives-them.html
      Perhaps just a “copy cat” at 50 mph screeching around corners and loosing it up onto the foot path. yeah right. maybe gang rivalry, revenge ? who knows?
      
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      March 26, 2017 3:11pm
Manolo

Taking a realistic approach:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article140663948.html

Donald Trump ran for president as a businessman who could make a deal. But on Friday, he failed to close the biggest deal of his young presidency.

And then, like a businessman, he moved on.
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March 26, 2017 2:45pm
- cha
  
  Yet he continues whining about how it was somehow someone elses’ fault.
  
  Trump criticizes congressional Democrats in response to failure of health care bill: "We had no Democrat support" https://t.co/YNsL8qMlPq pic.twitter.com/v0ysaPc10H— ABC News (@ABC) March 26, 2017
  
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  March 26, 2017 2:55pm
  - Jack5
    
    ABC News, Cha. On Trump, it’s like quoting Radio Moscow in Soviet Union days.
    
    Yep it’s Trump speaking. But there is editorial choice involved, and placement, and editing, and ABC opposes Trump.
    
    I’m undecided about Trump, but the fact that most of the traditional big media is almost uniformly against him, makes me uneasy.
    
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    March 26, 2017 2:59pm
    - cha
      
      In his own words-
      
      We had no Democrat support. We had no votes from the Democrats
      
      -and then he lies.
      
      https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/845422234869018625
      
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      March 26, 2017 3:11pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Um, he had no Republican votes either.
        
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        March 26, 2017 3:34pm
      - cha
        
        Um, he had no Republican votes either.
        
        He’s not taking it well.
        
        Source close to @POTUS says he's being advised to replace @Reince45 & is open to possibility — healthcare was last straw— Tara Palmeri (@tarapalmeri) March 25, 2017
        
        Trump aide to #Breitbart: it's time for 'swift removal of Paul Ryan from the speakership' ?#ACAReplace #BlameGame https://t.co/RDhK0esU81— Laura Litvan (@LauraLitvan) March 24, 2017
        
        http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/24/exclusive-discussion-gop-replacement-paul-ryan-speaker-house-intensifies-white-house-congress/
        
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        March 26, 2017 3:47pm
      - cha
        
        Ouch.
        
        A day after “The Closer” failed to deliver the votes for his long-promised repeal of the Affordable Care Act and slunk away to lay the blame on Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer, President Trump made a curious (and possibly illegal) tweet in which he encouraged the American people to watch a Fox News program.
        
        Watch @JudgeJeanine on @FoxNews tonight at 9:00 P.M.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 25, 2017
        
        […]
        
        Somebody had to take the fall for the fiasco, of course, and the buck never stops with Trump. Nothing is ever Donald Trump’s fault. It had to be Paul Ryan’s fault.
        
        But Trump isn’t even enough of a man to demand Paul Ryan’s resignation himself. He passed it off to a second-tier Fox News to do it for him. Pathetic.
        
        http://washingtonmonthly.com/2017/03/25/a-weakened-trump-outsources-demand-for-ryan-resignation-to-fox-news-host/#
        
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        March 26, 2017 5:13pm
    - Fletch
      
      Trump has all the right enemies, as the saying goes. If the media and the liberal elites and Hollywood and the music industry were all in favour of Trump – then I would be concerned about him.
      
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      March 26, 2017 3:15pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You left out the Pope ?
        
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        March 26, 2017 3:28pm
      - SGA
        
        and, of course, a number of Republicans (who become RINOs by way of “no true scotsman”).
        
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        March 26, 2017 4:04pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        That way of thinking doesn’t take into account a massive shift in influences outside of the ones that you are used to.
        
        Imagine what would happen if there was a war. Many petty squabbles of peacetime would be put aside and traditional enemies would work together in a way not seen normally.
        
        Things have changed drastically over the last couple of years, it’s time to wake up and notice.
        
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        March 26, 2017 5:44pm
      - cha
        
        Things have changed drastically over the last couple of years, it’s time to wake up and notice.
        
        Couple of years out of date but here’s the progress of partisan polarisation in US politics visualised.
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/04/23/a-stunning-visualization-of-our-divided-congress/?
        
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        March 26, 2017 6:32pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Put me in mind of this Economist article from a couple of years ago suggesting that polarisation was at levels not seen since the 1890s.
        http://www.economist.com/news/briefing/21631049-voters-have-chosen-change-americas-political-system-makes-far-too-hard-powering-down
        
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        March 26, 2017 6:57pm
Jack5

Radio NZ’s Labour Programme, Sunday morning, had in its media section today, an interesting chat with a Newstalk ZB senior journalist on quests to get the low down on what it called news leaks by the Prime Minister, John Key.

The alleged leaks were to Whale Oil’s Monsieur Slater, and to Kiwiblog’s Mr Farrar.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201836858
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March 26, 2017 3:24pm
- Happychappy
  
  Don’t you think it would be fair that if politicians thought the media were conducting unethical dealings and getting information from Whistle blowers that they should have the same right. You would see these same people jumping up and down and quoting privacy laws. what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.
  
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  March 26, 2017 6:48pm
Jack5

Another car and knife attack in London, but police say it’s not terrorism.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4349694/Four-pedestrians-left-injured-man-drives-them.html
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March 26, 2017 3:56pm
- simpleton1
  
  Initially points that way, as I mentioned above, gang rivalry, kids hooning, in Islington with car at speed 50 mph on streets, and knife found on street and one in car.
  
  Probably not terrorist attack in Islington as the 2 offenders did run off, but were apprehended
  
  The public have to deduce what has happened, as the police authorities credibility seems to be low.
  
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  March 26, 2017 4:15pm
- Inandout
  
  Ban all cars, they are dangerous weapons. The world would be a safer place without cars, and their lobby group, the AA, are right wing fascists..oh wait..I mean handguns.
  
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  March 26, 2017 6:03pm
InsaneBorg

If NZ did committ war crimes in Afghanistan and is found guilty could the United Nations impose sanctions on the importation of all firearms and the import/export of general goods?
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March 26, 2017 3:59pm
- mikenmild
  
  Maybe, if the Security Council were made up of lunatics like you.
  
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  March 26, 2017 4:03pm
Peter

Media disappears up its own ar*e example #8446785754 http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/90797115/matt-mclean-accidentally-drops-cbomb-on-breakfast
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March 26, 2017 4:54pm
sooty

Len Brown would have cost ACC a fortune if they had to pay Far Goofs bed tax. I think from memory he got 35thou worth off rooms. What’s the bed tax on that?
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March 26, 2017 5:41pm
krazykiwi

The Chinese have installed their new puppet. Carrie Lam is Hong Kong’s new Chief Executive
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March 26, 2017 6:44pm
- cha
  
  A shoe in.
  
  #HongKong chief executive candidate #CarrieLam gets enough votes on paper to win election (ven before it starts) https://t.co/w6Rxn4m7dv— Fion Li (@fion_li) March 25, 2017
  
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  March 26, 2017 6:46pm
Happychappy

So Mr 7% can’t understand why the Maori Party have increased their v ote in the latest Colmar Bruton One News Poll, he says the amount mof people that talk to him and turn up to meeting tell him different. The Labour leader would be devastated if the Maori Party continue to get these results as it gives them five seats and with National on 46% they could form the government without the help of Winston Peters. Labour on 30%,NZ First 8% and Greens 12%.
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March 26, 2017 7:28pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Happychap, why would Liabore be anywhere 30%?
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:49pm
krazykiwi

Sounds good: ‘Suck it up, cupcake’

A grammar school has taken a no-nonsense approach to students who attempt to get authorised sick leave, telling those who miss lessons to “suck it up cupcake”.

Norton Knatchbull School in Ashford, Kent, emailed students last week warning that the increase in absences due to illness were unacceptable.

In the message, sent to sixth form students, staff attached a picture which read “suck it up cupcake… deal with it like the mature adult you think you are.”
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March 26, 2017 7:45pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Great, so they’ll make sure that all the kids get sick because the sick ones will come to school and infect everyone else.
  
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  March 26, 2017 7:56pm
nasska

When I first visited central Auckland I thought the streets were paved with gold.

Turns out it was just sunlight reflecting off the pools of piss.
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March 26, 2017 8:04pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  When I first visited central Auckland
  
  From Eketahuna to the big smoke – did you dress up for your big day out?
  
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  March 26, 2017 8:14pm
  - nasska
    
    I thought that a Swandri & boots might seem a little gauche on Queen St Nostra so I settled for light casual.
    
    But as to Auckland……what a hole. I couldn’t get out of the dump quick enough. 🙂
    
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    March 26, 2017 8:21pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Auckland must have something going for it Nasska. Penny chooses to live there despite having a sub-optimal water supply for her bath!
      
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      March 26, 2017 8:24pm
      - nasska
        
        I understand that if you run around under the shower head a litre per minute goes quite a long way.
        
        Or so Helen thought when she was introducing regulations on the subject.
        
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        March 26, 2017 8:29pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        From the Kiwiblog archives:
        
        Government fucking up our showers
        
        [The Department of Building and Housing] propose to have maximum shower flows of 6 litres a minute for gas and electric water heaters when a house is bigger than 150m2. A house with mains pressure water and a quality showerhead would be using 16-19 litres a minute. That is a good quality shower. Under the DBH’s proposal the shower would need to be restricted back to only allow 6 litres per minute. To understand what your shower would be like, knock your shower mixer back by 2/3rds. The small amount of water dribbling out would be what the DBH call a “comfortable and effective shower”. The [Plumbing Distributors Association of New Zealand] believe this is not acceptable. Having a good quality shower should not be compromised in the name of Kyoto Protocol. Where do we draw the line?
        
        And you say a litre per minute goes “quite a long way”!
        
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        March 26, 2017 8:35pm
      - nasska
        
        Well, it probably suffices in School Road Nostra. After all modern protesters recognise each other by scent rather than vision since they were infiltrated by the police a while back.
        
        Penny wouldn’t want her marker diluted. 🙂
        
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        March 26, 2017 8:43pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        modern protesters recognise each other by scent rather than vision
        
        Possibly recognition by vision, too, if they’ve been on the receiving end of a police baton or two?
        
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        March 26, 2017 9:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZDF says NZ troops have never been involved in operations in the 2 villages named in Hit & Run
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/90857341/bill-english-and-gerry-brownlee-to-discuss-sas-afghanistan-raid-at-briefing
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March 26, 2017 8:54pm
- Nostradamus
  
  From the linked article:
  
  The announcement came as Prime Minister Bill English stayed quiet on whether he would launch an inquiry into a deadly Afghanistan raid involving the SAS, as protesters prepare for a vigil outside Parliament. … Vigil spokesman Adrian Leason …
  
  The usual suspects presumably?
  
  One of the three Waihopai spy base attackers has welcomed the prospect of a $1.1 million Crown damages claim, saying the trio have less than $1000 between them.
  
  Otaki school teacher Adrian Leason said even if the Crown won a lawsuit, it would have trouble getting the money. “If they are going after Father Peter, Sam and myself, our combined personal wealth is probably under $1000. Peter’s got some loose change, I think I’ve got $400 in my bank account, and Sam, I think he keeps his money under his mattress and it’s only a matter of hundreds.”
  
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  March 26, 2017 9:24pm
nasska

….” NZ troops have never been involved in operations in the 2 villages named in Hit & Run”…..

Egg meet Ratface!
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March 26, 2017 8:58pm
krazykiwi

Wellington City Council set to sign MOU to establish ‘partnership relationship’ with iwi

Iwi will work closely with Wellington City Council on Shelly Bay’s development as the two move to create stronger ties under a Memorandum of Understanding to be signed this week.
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Council papers for the meeting include a schedule of specific recognitions that set out how the entities will work together on key project

These include: Shelly Bay, the town belt, significant cultural or commercial developments, the right of first refusal interests, the implementation of the Porirua Harbour and catchment strategy and action plan as well as Taputeranga Island and Oruaiti reserves.
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Runanga will be entitled to appoint a non-voting member to the council’s city strategy committee and will have input into the key planning processes of the council, as a non-voting member of the Annual Plan and Long-Term Plan committees.

The parties are in discussions about forming a leaders’ forum to identify key projects and ensure the intent of the MOU has traction

100% apartheid by stealth. Race-based privilege should have no place in our democratic processes.
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March 26, 2017 10:01pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Runanga will be entitled to appoint a non-voting member to the council’s city strategy committee and will have input into the key planning processes of the council, as a non-voting member of the Annual Plan and Long-Term Plan committees.
  
  1. The Runanga is a non-voting member.
  2. But, on any given issue, the Runanga will say you can’t do this without a hui.
  3. A hui requires lots of food and koha to be provided.
  4. The matter might not be resolved at the first hui – so there may need to be 2 or 3 huis.
  5. Any solution won’t be full and final. The Rananga will have the right to require a further hui if any “difficulties” arise.
  
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  March 26, 2017 10:36pm
SPC

ECAN, now air, exposed as having laxer rules on quarries close to housing than India and Pakistan.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/90727471/Its-killing-us-Christchurch-residents-by-quarry-told-to-wear-masks-due-to-health-risk
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