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William of Ockham

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/mar/19/why-i-think-theres-still-hope-for-the-climate-in-2017
Despite Trump halting reduction of the US’s vast CO2 emissions, climate change is being taken seriously around the world…

[summary] Trump has dismissed global warming as “very expensive bullshit” … California is poised to tackle Trump “We’re ready to fight. We’re ready to defend.” … in other states hundreds of companies have urged Trump to continue progress towards a low-carbon economy.

Most striking response to Trump has been from the only nation that emits more carbon dioxide: China. China is seizing Trump’s election as an opportunity to become a global climate leader. Make no mistake – this is a defiant act.

A large scale power developer: “The Chinese government will carry out and fulfil its international commitments … I don’t care what Mr Trump says … I think what he says is nonsense.”

China’s solar capacity doubled in 2016. The country will plough £292bn more into renewables by 2020. China is already building more renewables than any other nation. Remarkably, China’s dependence on coal is faltering. Its demand for coal may even have peaked.

Only a few years ago, climate scientists and economists spoke about the never-ending rise of coal in China as an inevitable, insurmountable problem… “why should we bother doing anything when China keeps burning more coal?” The idea of China leading the climate fight …

The once relentless year-on-year rise of carbon dioxide emissions has flatlined for the past three years. Some analysts project that they could finally begin falling by 2020.

Note 1. The emissions have flat-lined but we are still adding CO2 so of course the level goes up: CO2 is persistent and accumulates. About half emissions go into the ocean and other sinks but uptake is not in equilibrium with emissions.
Note 2. “Energy Sector” concerns generation of electricity. Other sectors produce CO2, transport, land change.
Note 3. “fuhrer” is “leader”: http://de.thefreedictionary.com/fuhrer
Note 4. No personal correspondence can be entered into. If you want answers to your quack-quack-quackery go to skepticalscience.com, realclimate.org …
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March 21, 2017 8:00am
virtualmark

Gallup polls. Approval rating of a new President 60 days after their inauguration:

Reagan 60%
George H. W. Bush 56%
Clinton 53%
George W. Bush 58%
Obama 63%
Trump 37%
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March 21, 2017 8:01am
- SGA
  
  Fake swamp, drain the news. Nothing to see here, just move along.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:05am
- All_on_Red
  
  The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that 49% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:20am
  - virtualmark
    
    Well, after today’s testimony from Comey & Rogers it will be interesting to see how tomorrow’s “daily presidential tracking poll” goes …
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:28am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh dear. That leak is a Felony
      Good video.
      ‘Rep. Trey Gowdy, questioning James Comey during a House Intelligence Committee hearing on Monday, appeared to name former President Barack Obama and six of his administration’s top staffers as the source of leaks regarding former National Security Advisor Michael Flynn’s alleged collusion with the Russian government during the 2016 election.’
      http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/20/gowdy-points-to-president-obama-and-6-admin-officials-as-possible-source-of-flynn-leaks-video/
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:00am
      - virtualmark
        
        Really?
        
        I watched the testimony and I’ve just looked again at the transcript. Gowdy certainly name-checks Clapper, Brennan, Susan Rice, Ben Rhodes, Loretta Lynch & Sally Yates. But that’s all. There’s certainly no proof offered that they were the source of any leaks – or even that they knew the information that was leaked. Just that they may have known in some circumstances. And Comey is totally dismissive of Gowdy’s questions.
        
        You guys need to breathe through your noses rather than your mouths.
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:32am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Give it time. Did you watch the part where Gowdy was grilling Comey on who had access. They are narrowing it down. With his Tweet about wiretapping Trump has got his inquiry and now the pursuit for the leakers is on
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:16am
      - virtualmark
        
        Yeah, and I watched the part where Eric Swalwell did the same as Gowdy … pressed Comey on a bunch of possibilities which Comey could not/would not comment on. Except Swalwell was trying to cast aspersions on Trump, while Gowdy was trying to cast aspersions on Obama. In both cases, Gowdy & Swalwell, if they think something’s wrong then they need to put up evidence rather than just fling poo.
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:41am
  - stephieboy
    
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    FBI now confirm no bugging of Trump or Trump Towers. by the former President .Next move censure by Congress of the President. Then…
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4284974/Kellyanne-Conway-challenges-FBI-s-James-Comey-Trump.html
    
    Not forgetting the alegations of contacts by Trump and his team with Russian intelligence leading up and during the Presidential campaign.
    
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/20/us/politics/intelligence-committee-russia-donald-trump.html?_r=0
    
    Not looking good for the fledging Presidenta .
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:31am
    - Inandout
      
      Comey has spent part of the weekend at Obama’s place. No coincidence, fake news, just move along.
      
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      March 21, 2017 8:38am
    - Simon
      
      The person who shares a news story on social media is more important than the story’s actual source in determining whether readers believe it, a study by the Media Insight Project has found.
      
      https://www.apnews.com/e20dcc1818e8429c8acc0e3bdc639447/Sharers-rather-than-authors-more-important-on-social-media?utm_campaign
      
      Sad for you Steveboy
      
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      March 21, 2017 8:52am
    - Fletch
      
      When the FBI are possibly one of the agencies involved then that doesn’t really mean very much.
      
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      March 21, 2017 12:30pm
- itstricky
  
  Trump leaked the poll results, it’s a triumph and you lefties are so dumb because you can’t see the genius of the man.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:34am
  - VicParking
    
    Looking at your tea leaves again
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:40am
- peterwn
  
  So?
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:57am
William of Ockham

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2017/mar/19/why-i-think-theres-still-hope-for-the-climate-in-2017
Despite Trump halting reduction of the US’s vast CO2 emissions, climate change is being taken seriously around the world…

[summary] Trump has dismissed global warming as “very expensive bullshit” … California is poised to tackle Trump “We’re ready to fight. We’re ready to defend.” … in other states hundreds of companies have urged Trump to continue progress towards a low-carbon economy.

Most striking response to Trump has been from the only nation that emits more carbon dioxide: China. China is seizing Trump’s election as an opportunity to become a global climate leader. Make no mistake – this is a defiant act.

A large scale power developer: “The Chinese government will carry out and fulfil its international commitments … I don’t care what Mr Trump says … I think what he says is nonsense.”

China’s solar capacity doubled in 2016. The country will plough £292bn more into renewables by 2020. China is already building more renewables than any other nation. Remarkably, China’s dependence on coal is faltering. Its demand for coal may even have peaked.

Only a few years ago, climate scientists and economists spoke about the never-ending rise of coal in China as an inevitable, insurmountable problem… “why should we bother doing anything when China keeps burning more coal?” The idea of China leading the climate fight …

The once relentless year-on-year rise of carbon dioxide emissions has flatlined for the past three years. Some analysts project that they could finally begin falling by 2020.

Note 1. The emissions have flat-lined but we are still adding CO2 so of course the level goes up: CO2 is persistent and accumulates. About half emissions go into the ocean and other sinks but uptake is not in equilibrium with emissions.
Note 2. “Energy Sector” concerns generation of electricity. Other sectors produce CO2, transport, land change.
Note 3. “fuhrer” is “leader”: http://de.thefreedictionary.com/fuhrer
Note 4. No personal correspondence can be entered into. If you want answers to your quack-quack-quackery go to skepticalscience.com, realclimate.org
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March 21, 2017 8:04am
waikatogirl

Dame Devoid absent on International Race Relations Day. Joris de Bree was wheeled out by TV3 as Mrs Devoid refused to attend the interview.

$180,000 is her pay day apparently. Job well done Mrs Devoid.
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March 21, 2017 8:07am
- VicParking
  
  She thought it was todo with horse racing and was to busy turn religion into a race.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:41am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Steven Town, the Auckland town clerk, $690,000.00 up from $630,000.00; the devoid same is a snip! A fuckwit perhaps but a taxpayers snip!
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:49am
Inandout

I heard Garner breathlessly saying ‘Trump could be executed for this treason’. The name Comey was mentioned, but he is impartial surely. What the hell is going on?
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March 21, 2017 8:07am
- SGA
  
  Fake swamp, drain the news. Nothing to see here, just move along.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:11am
  - Inandout
    
    Comey has spent part of the weekend at Obama’s place. No coincidence, fake news, just move along.
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:16am
    - SGA
      
      You’re getting the hang of it – well done!
      
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      March 21, 2017 8:47am
- G152
  
  fake news and click bait.
  And the feeble wafflings of a dinosaur
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    G!52, obviously referring to the President ?
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:37am
    - oldpark
      
      Do you mean your President Mohammed from “quran fame”.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:14am
      - G152
        
        And the drum roll goes to Oldpark
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:27am
- Fletch
  
  If anyone should be held to account for treason it is Barack Obama.
  
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  March 21, 2017 12:32pm
  - mikenmild
    
    For bugging Trump’s microwave oven?
    Anyway, you can hardly accuse him of treason when you don’t even believe he is a US citizen.
    
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    March 21, 2017 12:38pm
- RF
  
  Tell short arse to get a life
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:11pm
Liberty

When it comes to playing against Australia. It is open season on how we get a win.
But when a poof can’t make it against real men. So he goes in the girls team it is cheating.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/90607448/transgender-weightlifter-laurel-hubbard-achieves-new-zealand-sporting-first
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March 21, 2017 8:09am
- G152
  
  New subset for weight lifting.
  Cock in a frock
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:25am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    To extend this progression further, I believe that a ballerina with balls to be a disturbing image
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:54am
    - SGA
      
      Then stop going to those websites – problem solved 🙂
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:21am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        There are websites with these things?
        
        Well I never. . . .
        
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        March 21, 2017 10:53am
      - SGA
        
        Oh Paulus, I love it when you go all coy. 🙂
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:02am
- Longknives
  
  Now imagine for a minute if (for example) Adam Scott decided he ‘identified’ as a Woman and started playing on the Woman’s Tour.
  Thrashing Lydia Ko every week.
  Would the New Zealand media be so gushing then??
  
  This is bullshit- I seriously feel sorry for the WOMEN that cheating Hubbard defeated..
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:28am
Maggy Wassilieff

World’s oldest Billionaire David Rockefeller dies, aged 101
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-people-rockefeller-idUSKBN16R1T5
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March 21, 2017 8:12am
- holysheet
  
  Just read the article and the thought went through my mind how well researched it was. Couldn’t imagine anyone in NZ doing an article like that.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:24am
  - stephieboy
    
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    holyturd , but isn’t Reuters part of the nefarious ant Trump MSM ?
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:38am
    - holysheet
      
      Unlike you stooopidboy, I can read AND acknowledge a well written article, no matter where in the political spectrum it comes from.
      
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      March 21, 2017 8:46am
      - itstricky
        
        i.e it’s only fake if it says something I don’t like.
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:49am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I don’t know if it’s still the case, but up until the early 2000’s (when I saw the one at our local rag) most daily newspapers had a filing cabinet known as The Morgue. In it were card files of prominent local people, along with relevant newspaper clippings etc. When some local notable popped his or her clogs, a journalist would be dispatched to The Morgue to get the file so that an obituary could be written.
    
    These days I guess it’s all done by digital formats, and Wikipedia searches… ?
    
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    March 21, 2017 12:33pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Most news organisations have pre-written obituaries for prominent people.
      
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      March 21, 2017 12:36pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Vera Lynn, 100 not out
  
  Black caps please note
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:56am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn?
    Remember how she said,
    That we would meet again.
    Some sunny day.
    
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    March 21, 2017 1:06pm
stigie

“I read this story and I thought “why isn’t this woman using the contraceptive injection?” It lasts 12 weeks. I’m sure she probably wouldn’t be motivated enough to take herself to the doctors, but could Family Planning get to her every three months?”

This is feral scum were are talking about Rachel Smalley !!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11822140
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March 21, 2017 8:12am
- cmm
  
  “I read this story and I thought “why isn’t this woman using the contraceptive injection?”
  
  Because we pay her not too.
  
  People respond to incentives.
  
  She, and likely all the people she associates with, run baby factories. When we pay people to get knocked up – guess what – they get knocked up all the time.
  
  People are not the same. What seems a rational choice for Mz Smalley is not a rational choice for others.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:18am
  - GoVege
    
    “Baby factories”…very apt, cmm.
    Not much better than chicken factories probably.
    
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    March 21, 2017 10:38am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      No, it is not impossible to think that a chicken, headless or otherwise, has more brains than some of the ferals and most likely me as I continue with the ‘compulsory donations’ towards the feral upkeep
      
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      March 21, 2017 11:01am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Kudos to Ms Smalley for belatedly expressing her outrage about this one-woman baby factory.
  
  The irony though is that every time anyone in power has even thought out loud about how cases like this should be dealt with, it has been the likes of Smalley jumping up and down, writing op-eds, starting campaigns and parrotting “It’s her right to have babies”.
  
  Whilst it is good that Smalley appears to have had a Road to Damascus experience with regard to Kemp, it is probably too little too late, and the likes of Smalley herself are a part of the problem.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:20am
  - Kimbo
    
    I wouldn’t be so sure about that. I don’t think it is just rhetoric when Smalley asks, “Has anyone had a conversation with her about (using the contraceptive injection)?”
    
    That’s right. She’s already had one kid killed on her watch, plus another taken immediately into care, but despite this, it is “someone else” at fault here who hasn’t “had a conversation” with Oriwa Kemp.
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:52am
    - GoVege
      
      It’s a sacking offense for a social worker to suggest a client use contraception….ask Northland Wahine.
      
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      March 21, 2017 10:30am
- Kimbo
  
  And quoting further from Smalley’s op ed
  
  Has anyone had a conversation with her about it?
  
  Sure, you can’t hold Kemp down and force her to have the injection, but surely she can be made to see the sense in it, or the 60-something-year-old who’s fathering so many of her children – surely he can see the sense in using contraception, given that Kemp can’t keep any of the children?
  
  Whoop, whoop!! Kimbo’s law: “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs”
  
  No Rachel, they surely can’t see the sense, or rather they surely want to ignore the sense so they can surely carry on living irresponsibly, day to day, going by how they feel at the time and with surely no thought or respect to the consequences, including any children. And surely there are a lot of people like that, although surely not in your circles.
  
  So as it is a matter of wilfulness, they surely can’t be made to see sense, so surely some problems can’t be solved by an appeal to sense. Surely!
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:42am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    “stop calling her Shirley” 😉
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:15pm
- GoVege
  
  Don’t think we should call this young woman “feral scum”.
  Many Maori females have had shocking upbringings: molested at an early age, called a “useless c***” by their own mums.
  If they feel the whole world hates them, what incentive do they have to change?
  
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  March 21, 2017 12:33pm
  - stigie
    
    “Don’t think we should call this young woman “feral scum”.”
    
    I did GoVeg and i feel fucking good about it..?
    
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    March 21, 2017 3:20pm
- GoVege
  
  Maybe family planning could drop off a load of groceries and vouchers each 12 weeks to get these girls to take the jab.
  But first we have to get rid of the ridiculous rules about “not mentioning contraception”.
  I’m sure the Maori Party and Dame Tariana are behind them.
  
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  March 21, 2017 12:46pm
EAD

NWO Globalist David Rockefeller is dead age 101. The best rated comments in the article are certainly interesting!

https://www.rt.com/usa/381433-banker-david-rockefeller-dies/

“For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure–one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” – David Rockefeller

What is it with these Globalists (Think George Soros) living to such old ages?
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March 21, 2017 8:14am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, do you think Sheldon Adeslon will live to a reipe old age ?
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:39am
- VicParking
  
  I wonder if dotcom will live to 101 and be still waiting to be extradited
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:44am
  - virtualmark
    
    Given the size of him I’m not putting money on him lasting to 101.
    
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    March 21, 2017 10:08am
  - Biscuit
    
    101?
    
    A report I saw said he was 132.
    
    Kg of lard, that is…
    
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    March 21, 2017 10:43am
    - Viking2
      
      given the current fuck up that the FBI are and their penchant for bowing to those with the power or money (Hollywood), we should wonder just how clever or principled they are.( the FBI that is).
      Corrupt could be a word that might play.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:09pm
Manolo

Mr Comey testifies:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/fbi-director-to-testify-on-russian-interference-in-the-presidential-election/2017/03/20/cdea86ca-0ce2-11e7-9d5a-a83e627dc120_story.html?utm_term=.b949234d2cb9
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March 21, 2017 8:16am
- All_on_Red
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7UNnpQWkAEAFaQ?format=jpg&name=large
  
  We all know this cant be true. Let’s face it, Barry wouldn’t work that hard!
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    Donald Trump advisor Roger Stone admits contact with Russian hacker,
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-roger-stone-contacted-guccifer-2-twitter-messages-a7626821.html
    
    LOL
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:42am
    - All_on_Red
      
      So Stephie.
      For stonings, are a few big rocks better or lots of little ones?
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:04am
      - stephieboy
        
        James Comey Says no evidence of former President cabling Trump and Trump Towers with wiretaps ,’
        
        http://time.com/4706720/james-comey-donald-trump-barack-obama-wiretap/
        
        So All on Red
        
        thats a massive big rock to knock out your Presidenta
        
        LOL
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:47am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Let me check.
        Trump still President?
        Yep
        Gosh, now you have impotent rage to go with your err other problem
        Suck it up Snowflake
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:23am
Chuck Bird

The Children’s Commissioner wants to raise aid that young people can still be charged in the Youth Court. How much does he get paid? I think it is more than Devoid.

Fed-up grandma dobs in rampaging moko after attack on Kaikohe service station

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11821814
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March 21, 2017 8:19am
- Happychappy
  
  NZ and Kaikohe could fix this problem if they threatened to charge Parents for Children fifteen and under that commit these crimes. I might be wrong but back in the 1950-60s there was such a law.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:36am
Hugh Pavletich

THE BRITISH HOUSING DISASTER : LATEST OFFICE OF NATIONAL STATISTICS REPORT

Housing now unaffordable in all council areas as priceses soar to 8 times earnings … (UNITED KINGDOM ) Public Sector Executive

http://www.publicsectorexecutive.com/Public-Sector-News/housing-now-unaffordable-in-all-council-areas-as-prices-soar-to-8-times-earnings?dorewrite=false

Housing now unaffordable in all council areas as prices soar to 8 times earnings

Housing affordability has worsened in all of the England and Wales local authority districts over the last 20 years, as the median price paid for residential property soared by 259%, a new report by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) has revealed.

Using information from the House Price Statistics for Small Areas, the ONS calculated affordability by dividing house prices by annual earnings in different authorities across the country.

The results of the findings form a grim picture of the UK housing market that shows average earnings are failing to keep up with the rising price of residential properties.

Working people in 2016 could expect to pay around 7.6 times their annual earnings on purchasing a home in England and Wales, which is more than double the rate in 1997 – where it stood at 3.6 times average earnings. … read more via hyperlink above …

Housing affordability in England and Wales – Office for National Statistics

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/bulletins/housingaffordabilityinenglandandwales/1997to2016

… Are the British learning anything from the New Zealanders ? …

NZ Labour shows way on housing policy – Leith van Onselen – MacroBusiness Australia

http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/nz-labour-shows-way-housing-policy/

By Leith van Onselen

New Zealand’s shadow minister for housing, Labor’s Phil Twyford, continues to apply deep pressure to the National Government over housing affordability.

Last year, Twyford called for the elimination of Auckland’s Rural Urban Boundary (RUB), as well as freeing-up density restrictions and creating a new mechanism for financing infrastructure – infrastructure bonds – that will be repaid over the lifetime of the asset through a targeted rate on the properties in a new development. Twyford has also called for a crack-down on foreign and domestic speculators that drive-up the cost of housing.

Last week, Twyford explained in further detail his plan to allow homeowners to pay-off the core housing-related infrastructure over the life of the asset using bond financing. From The NZ Herald: … read more via hyperlink above …
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March 21, 2017 8:22am
- Happychappy
  
  Labour pays peanuts and gets monkey ah Hugh
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:30am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Why Morrison’s London housing affordability junket was a farce – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/morrisons-london-housing-affordability-junket-farce/
  
  … concluding …
  
  The UBS Global Real Estate Bubble Index also recently rated London as having the world’s second worst housing bubble risk. Further, London has experienced substantial domestic out-migration, as its high house prices appear to be repelling population growth.
  
  Instead of traveling to London, Scott Morrison should have sought solutions from policy makers in markets where housing has remained affordable in spite of rapid population growth, such as Houston (Median Multiple 3.5) or Dallas (Median Multiple 3.7). The fact that Morrison instead chose expensive London suggests that he has zero genuine interest in addressing housing affordability and was instead seeking to create the impression that the Coalition cares about housing affordability, rather than seeking genuine policy solutions.
  
  unconventionaleconomist@hotmail.com
  
  Has Texas lost its housing advantage? – MacroBusiness Australia
  
  http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/texas-lost-housing-advantage/
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:49am
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Political lesson … Perform with housing issue … or perish …
    
    Bill English less popular than John Key as preferred PM, new poll finds | Stuff.co.nz
    
    http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/90663942/bill-english-less-popular-than-john-key-as-preferred-pm-new-poll-finds
    
    Prime Minister Bill English is failing to match the popularity of his predecessor John Key, according to a new poll.
    
    The latest Newshub-Reid Research poll has placed English on 25 per cent in the preferred prime minister rankings.
    
    The result puts him 11 percentage points behind Key’s 36.7 per cent result in August last year – which was his worst result in the Newshub poll.
    
    English’s result appears to be the lowest figure for a sitting Prime Minister in at least 10 years, dating back to Helen Clark’s final term in charge. … read more via hyperlink above …
    
    John Key bailed because he had no intention of facing the music in 2017 … so Bill English got the hospityal pass. Late Januay I explained this within ‘New Zealand’s housing consensus: Where is the political leadersghip?” …
    
    http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html
    
    The late May 2016 Newshub – Reid Research poll made it clear Keys political career was finished …
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html
    
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    March 21, 2017 1:10pm
All_on_Red

Apparently eating a Ham Pizza can make you deaf
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/03/muslim-gang-beats-young-danish-couple-eating-ham-pizza/
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March 21, 2017 8:23am
- kowtow
  
  Denmark? Like the rest of western Europe ,fucked by its own political class.
  
  “Immigration from non-Western countries in particular presents an economic challenge, according to Matthiesen.
  
  “The economic burden for society from non-Western immigrants and their descendants adds up to 15-20 billion kroner ($2.2-2.9 billion) per year. That is the equivalent of one percent of GNP,” Matthiesen told the newspaper.’
  
  https://www.thelocal.dk/20170317/one-in-five-newborn-danes-has-foreign-heritage
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:01am
Rodney Randall

https://islamqa.info/en/159926

Is it permissible for women to go to swimming pools?

No, according to Islam, it is evil. ?

The muslim lanes have nothing to do with ‘safe spaces’.

The Sharia creep has begun
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March 21, 2017 8:24am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Bollux !
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:45am
  - Inandout
    
    The Muslim religion/cult sure is bollux. I can’t imagine any normal kiwi woman having to check a ‘Going Out Book’ before she ventured past the front door. Having to say ‘praise be to allah’ after every bloody sentence uttered is insane.
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:52am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Insanity of insanities.
      
      Vile oppressive male dominated culture and not a squeak from the femtards in NZ.
      
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      March 21, 2017 10:02am
      - GoVege
        
        NZ “feminists” are more concerned with berating males who insult them by holding a door open for them, than helping their abused sisters from other cultures.
        Otherwise they would be up in arms about the immigrants’ refuge Shakti being refused funding for one thing.
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:15am
      - sam green
        
        Really go vege? Women’s Refuge has been very vocal about that and provided considerable support to Shakti. They work together in many cities throughout the country. Stop telling fibs.
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:07pm
      - GoVege
        
        Sam: that’s Women’s Refuge’s job isn’t it?
        There must be a lot more feminists in NZ than the ones in WR anyway.
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:22pm
- MCos
  
  You got nothing better to do than trawl around the Internet looking for cranks who you claim speak for an entire religion.
  There’s plenty of them out there to prove anything you like.
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:19am
Happychappy

So whats in it for the Herald and the Dot Com prostitute journalist David Fisher. This piece of shit is a criminal and this rag with no credibility keeps trying to make out that he is being unjustly targeted. Why shouldn’t the Government have a plan B for this low life and if he escapes extradition then they have the right to deport him for failing to disclose another conviction. Any other person would not have the media frothing at the mouth and giving there best if that person had no wealth.
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March 21, 2017 8:27am
- VicParking
  
  Its his name “Dot Com”. If it was “Fu Wong” he have gone by lunch time
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:47am
virtualmark

Today’s learnings for President Trump … if you’re going to mischaracterise your officials’ testimony it’s best to wait until after they’ve finished speaking.
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March 21, 2017 8:30am
- VicParking
  
  Correct. Both the NSA and FBI chiefs boths worded their statements very carefully and when pressed said they could not comment on ongoing cases, or classifed information, or hypothetical statements.
  Had their arses well covered
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:50am
  - virtualmark
    
    More to the point, shortly into their testimony Trump tweeted:
    
    The NSA and FBI tell Congress that Russia did not influence electoral process.
    
    And later in their testimony it became very clear that that’s not what they were telling Congress at all.
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:26am
    - VicParking
      
      They did if you note the word “Process”. They both said that none of the voting machines where hacked which is the election process. However they influenced the elecion by disclosing wrong doings by the democrates but not the republicans. But Trump said “process” rather than influenced.
      All statements by parties to this farce (Whitehouse, congress, administration) are very carefull in the words they use in their statements. However they know that Snowfakes will read into them what they want. The MSM especially who leave out whole sentences of a statement to make it fit their agenda.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:51am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Now now Vic
        Describing what the situation really is might ruin Vmarks obsession with Trump
        #TDS
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:28am
    - virtualmark
      
      Good scrambling to cover your man’s arse. But nah. That’s not what the general public are going to come away with, and in politics that’s what counts.
      
      Comey’s testimony was kryptonite for Trump. It’s clear from his testimony that the FBI are looking very closely at worrying links between the Trump campaign and the Russians. In particular, if I were Roger Stone I would be lawyering up.
      
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      March 21, 2017 10:04am
Tarquin North

I made the tragic mistake of trying to watch The Project last night. What absolute rubbish. At least I know where the rejects from Seven Days end up. I thought Seven Sharp was pretty sad but this makes it look like Panorama. No wonder T.V.3 is going down the gurgler.
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March 21, 2017 8:35am
- Keeping Stock
  
  I have thus far been able to resist temptation Tarquin. I MySky the news, then watch something else afterwards. Neither Seven Sharp nor Three’s new concoction hold any appeal.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:48am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Totally agree Tarquin, and I used to be TV3’s greatest cheerleader.
  Hope you are reading this MediaWorks.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:56am
- Shaun the Sheep
  
  I have never missed missing The Target, and on your recommendation I will double my efforts in that regard.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:15pm
Inandout

Quite a good quote on liberals:
‘You can’t write Liberal without L, I and E. It’s in their genes’.
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March 21, 2017 8:40am
- SGA
  
  And you can’t write conservative without V, I, C, and E – but where do such childish games get anyone?
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:58am
  - Kimbo
    
    Ticking a box called “the emotional satisfaction of massaging existing prejudices”? 😉
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:00am
    - SGA
      
      I suppose 🙂
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:01am
      - Kimbo
        
        Hey, don’t knock it. Everyone has to have a hobby! It’s just that some settle for ones that are so…insipid. Makes playing dominoes, keeping pigeons or breeding whippets look like the preserve of Mensa members 😉
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:05am
  - kowtow
    
    Got you playing though.
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:04am
    - SGA
      
      What can I say – when my kids were away my wife and I used to have great battles down the hall with their nerf guns 🙂
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:07am
  - Inandout
    
    Was just passing it on, but it is good that you have put your thinking cap on.
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:05am
    - SGA
      
      lol – it wasn’t difficult.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:07am
  - VicParking
    
    You can’t write Shit without H I T S.
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:54am
Chuck Bird

Does anyone know how to use superscript in HTML so I can indict references please?

I have tried test[sup]1 [/sub] using “<" instead of "["

test1
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March 21, 2017 8:47am
- VicParking
  
  Indiction.
  Maybe this will help
  http://www.naturalnews.com/055835_James_Comey_FBI_mutiny_Clinton_investigation.html
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:54am
- brett68
  
  https://www.w3schools.com/tags/tag_sup.asp
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:56am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Thanks I will try
    
    This text contains superscript text.
    
    It does not seem to work. Thanks anyhow.
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:02am
Andrei

Only a limited subset of HTML is allowed in wordpress comments so you can’t use the sup tag

You can use the Unicode Character ‘SUPERSCRIPT ONE’ (U+00B9) ¹

You enter this as amp hash b9 semi-colon with no spaces
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March 21, 2017 8:56am
- Chuck Bird
  
  Thanks but it seems a little too difficult for me.
  
  &#b9;
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:07am
  - Andrei
    
    My Bad Chuck it is amp hash b9 x semi-colon with no spaces ¹
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:14am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      test ¹
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:30am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Thanks Andrei. Does the b9 stand for 1? I was wanting to do 1,2,3 etc.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:35am
      - Andrei
        
        2 is b2, 3 b3, but 4 is 2074
        
        You have to look them up in the unicode tables I’m afraid
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:46am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Thank so Andrei
        
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        March 21, 2017 10:11am
  - mara
    
    You might consider visiting your nearest Primary school and offer some little kiddie a tenner to do it for you. Obviously have a chaperone teacher at hand. Problem solved. heh.
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:19am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Hanging around a school, talking to children and offering money will not end well irrespective of how clean ones mac is!
      
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      March 21, 2017 1:02pm
    - Shaun the Sheep
      
      Just make sure the chaperone teacher is registered.
      
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      March 21, 2017 8:20pm
All_on_Red

MSM exonerates Trumps comments on ‘wiretapping’
The Guardian – January 11, 2017
The Guardian has learned that the FBI applied for a warrant from the foreign intelligence surveillance (Fisa) court over the summer in order to monitor four members of the Trump team suspected of irregular contacts with Russian officials. The Fisa court turned down the application asking FBI counter-intelligence investigators to narrow its focus. According to one report, the FBI was finally granted a warrant in October, but that has not been confirmed, and it is not clear whether any warrant led to a full investigation.’

Given the testimony by Comey it seems there was an investigation. Or is the Guardian guilty of Fake News?
No retraction yet by The Guardian
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March 21, 2017 9:08am
- virtualmark
  
  All_on_Red,
  
  Here’s the problem. We know for sure there was no illegal wiretapping. So either:
  
  (1) There was no wiretapping, or
  (2) There was wiretapping, but it was authorised by the FISA court on the basis of compelling evidence of collusion with a foreign power.
  
  Which of those two options do you prefer?
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:46am
  - VicParking
    
    No wiretapping of trump tower or trump team.
    But wiretapping of russians and their server they used that was not in trump tower. Just happened that trump teams emails etc passed thru that server.
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:59am
    - stephieboy
      
      …and onto the Russians ?
      
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      March 21, 2017 10:04am
    - virtualmark
      
      VicParking,
      
      I agree. But that leaves Trump with the problem of explaining his tweets of the 4th of March.
      
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      March 21, 2017 10:06am
      - waripori
        
        Comey’s situation is interesting. He wrote to Congress just before the election stating in effect that the FBI had reopened the investigation into Clinton’s emails based on Weiners Laptop. His reason for that, despite no evidence of wrongdoing was that he had told Congress he would keep them updated on any developments in the investigation and perhaps he knew elements in his New York office would leak the information if he did not do so. He must now wish he had balanced that information with advice that the FBI was looking into the Trump campaign and Russia links and had been doing so since July when the Republican platform on support for Ukraine had been changed.
        Maybe he is now going to err on the side of balancing the ledger, especially since Trump accused him of illegal wiretapping.
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:19am
  - All_on_Red
    
    So The Guardian was wrong?
    Gosh, and apparently millions read their reporting and rely on it. I know this because I see their words and stories linked to ALL the time.
    Hey you don’t think Trump read that article do you?
    
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    March 21, 2017 11:32am
    - virtualmark
      
      No, I don’t think the Guardian was wrong. I don’t think anyone was tapping Trump or Trump Tower. But I do think the FBI was surveilling certain individuals (Manafort, Page, Stone, Sessions, Flynn and others), because of those people’s interactions with the Russians through the 2016 Presidential campaign.
      
      I believe Russia hate(d) Hilary deeply, and on that basis were prepared to help the Republicans. I don’t believe Russia truly expected Trump to win, but they were prepared to help him in order to damage Hilary.
      
      I believe Manafort, Stone & Page in particular knew the Russians were interfering in the election campaigns, and that they co-operated with the Russians. If I were charitable I’d say their co-operation was a “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” thing. If I were uncharitable I’d say all 3 have long-standing shady links to Russia.
      
      From what we know now I could easily imagine a FISA Court finding reasonable grounds to issue a warrant to surveil Manafort, Page & Stone. Perhaps Flynn. Unlikely Sessions given he was a Senator.
      
      In other words I believe option 2 in my post just above.
      
      We can’t prove that Trump himself knew of or approved this contact with the Russians. But he does have long-standing links to Russia. He was the only Presidential candidate who made admiring references to Putin. Unusually he has never criticised Putin. Almost certainly he approved Flynn’s contact with Kisylak in December, and colluded with Flynn to keep that hidden.
      
      Question: How does it sit with you that your hero, Trump, is in bed with the Russians?
      Question: Do you think elected officials who have been found to have co-operated with a foreign adversary should remain in office?
      
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      March 21, 2017 12:00pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lots of “I believe’s” in there. No proof though.
        Trump has been cleared of any contact with Russia. Even Clinton stooge DNI Clapper said so.
        His ‘admiring’ comment about Putin was harmless. You are really stretching and showing bigly TDS to expand it otherwise. I think recently he described Putin as a “tough cookie”
        No doubt you will now be saying Putin is Trumps hero!
        What longstanding links to Russia? He doesn’t owe them money. Check out his Presidential Candidate disclosure- if that is wrong then he’s in the shit- and so far no one has…
        Trump isn’t in bed with the Russians so your first question is stupid.
        As for your second Trump is not my hero. I just like trolling fuckwits with massive TDS who post anti Trump posts every day. Especially when the blatant exaggerations and conspiracy theories are so far fetched it’s hilarious.
        It’s legal to tap foreigners but if a US citizen it’s caught up in that, then it’s illegal for who that is and what was said to be disclosed.
        A felony with 10 years in jail possible.
        From what I’ve seen of this inquiry Gowdy is going to flush the leakers out.
        He’s good isn’t he.
        Oh, where’s the FISA warrant that you ‘imagine’ and the Guardian report?
        
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        March 21, 2017 12:30pm
      - virtualmark
        
        Sure, lots of “I believe”. Because what I wrote was my own take assembled from reading as many sources as possible. Inevitably the real facts (such as FISA warrants) are not in the public domain, so you just have to carefully weigh what info there is.
        
        Look, I’m happy to see a Republican president. And if Trump could just focus on immigration reform, tax reform and regulatory reform he’ll go down in history as a great Republican president. I wish he would just focus on those things.
        
        But unfortunately he’s a thin-skinned tyrant with major integrity issues. I want more from a US President than that. I’m no Obama fan, and certainly not a Hilary fan. But that doesn’t mean I automatically have to drop my standards and support someone who I don’t think is fit for the job.
        
        As for you, glad to see you’re at ease with being a troll. The first step in self-improvement is accepting where you’re at … good on you! You keep that up and you’ll have moved out of your mother’s basement in no time.
        
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        March 21, 2017 12:39pm
      - cha
        
        Even Clinton stooge DNI Clapper said so.
        
        Apples and oranges.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHZ_j_Tim08&feature=youtu.be&t=4h22m55s
        
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        March 21, 2017 12:55pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        “But unfortunately he’s a thin-skinned tyrant with major integrity issues.”
        ?
        Hey Cha, found that Free Trade Agreement between the EU and the US yet?
        
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        March 21, 2017 1:04pm
      - cha
        
        Did I mention free trade?.
        
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        March 21, 2017 1:12pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Wriggle wriggle Twittercretin.
        
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        March 21, 2017 1:18pm
      - cha
        
        Going for the jugular, huh.
        
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        March 21, 2017 1:19pm
      - MCos
        
        “Trump has been cleared of any contact with Russia.”
        Trump hasn’t been cleared of anything.
        
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        March 21, 2017 1:40pm
krazykiwi

Brexit will begin on March 29, No 10 reveals and there will be no early general election before 2020

Theresa May will trigger the two year process of leaving the European Union on March 29, No 10 has announced.

Sir Tim Barrow, the UK’s ambassador to the EU, formally notified the office of Donald Tusk, the EU Council president, with a letter on Monday morning.

So exiting the UN, and allowing Labour/Corbyn to stagger along for a few more years. Fun times ahead.
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March 21, 2017 9:21am
- Dave Mann
  
  I think you meant ‘exiting the EU’ didn’t you? Or are you saying that that the (formerly-but-soon-to-self-distruct) ‘United’ Kingdom plans to leave the UN too? 😀
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:59am
  - VicParking
    
    Dont blame them if they do. Hope they dont get hit in the face when the USA slams the door as they leave. Maybe we should send Murry McCunty to hold it open for them
    
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    March 21, 2017 10:03am
Inandout

Another view on Comey’s evidence.

http://theblacksphere.net/2017/03/gowdy-reminds-comey-obama-officials-face-up-to-10-years-in-prison/
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March 21, 2017 9:23am
Manolo

Will this madman and his regime ever go away?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3131278/kim-jong-un-nuclear-weapons-donald-trump-north-korea/

Kim Jong-un has threatened to reduce the US “to ashes” as tensions with North Korea continue to increase.

The secretive state released a statement earlier this month warning Donald Trump of nuclear destruction if America fires “even a single bullet” towards Pyongyang.
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March 21, 2017 9:52am
- VicParking
  
  A well placed sniper bullet would go a long way to helping the situation
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:05am
- Dave Mann
  
  Yes North Korea is certainly a problem… but it’s made worse by the Asian concept of ‘face’. China/North Korea relations are at an all time low and they literally can’t abide each other with China refusing to supply them with basic supplies like coal… but I think if war were to break out (or any aggressive action in either direction), China would feel morally obliged to intervene on North Korea’s side. They are even objecting to the stationing of purely DEFENSIVE anti-missile systems in South Korea, saying that these ‘increase tension’ on the peninsula!
  
  Korea might well become the flash point for the most devastating (actual) military conflict in decades and potentially since the cold war.
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:15am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  With thousands of nerve gas containing artillery pieces, + a few nukes aimed at Seoul there is no way that west can start a war with the NorKs. Any conflict could easily kill millions. But south Korean has no interest in reunification – NorKs are too backwards and uneducated to fit easily into South Korean industrial future.
  
  I’d guess that South Korea is slowly building up a big drone airforce and perhaps missile defence system that they can use to wipe out North Korean military should the need arise – its a covert option for building up huge military strength. They likely also either have nuclear bombs (or could have them) within 6 months.
  
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  March 21, 2017 12:28pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Sounds as though Trump is living rent free in Kimmie’s head.
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:28pm
MrTips

A political party with the following policies; would it get elected in NZ? Have at it…..

– time limit on Waitangi tribunal and claims
– reintroduce CMT for those 18-25 (6-12 months)
– publish an annual register of all meetings between MPs/civil servants and external lobbyists
– encourage foreign (esp. German/Japanese) infrastucture companies to operate in NZ
– complete review of spending/operations in the MoH and cull where necessary
– harsher penalties (incl. the option of capital punishment) for illicit drug manufacturers and gang operators
– review the operations of the Race Relations office
– alter the Education Act to give school BoT’s the actual power they need to counter the NZEI, PPTA and MoE
– cull the MoE to necessary staff/operations
– offer incentives (not necessarily money) for families to actually stay together and function properly

Probably more, but one gets the idea I guess…..
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March 21, 2017 9:57am
- VicParking
  
  Sounds like Kim Jong-un’s party to me.
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:08am
- Paulus
  
  Do you expect that both Young Men and Young Women, and in betweens, to do National Service ?
  And do you expect Muslims, of each kind under the Burqa to do also?
  Great Idea but listen to the snowdrops weeping and refusing to join. Jail them or send them back to the Middle East.
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:03pm
EAD

Interesting Sermon by Rabbi Yosef Tzvi ben Porat.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=356_1483368542&comments=1
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March 21, 2017 10:00am
Happychappy

While I don’t agree with the hate mail that Jacinda Ardern has received the people out there that attribute this to National and Dirty Politics should take a moment and remember all the hate mail that they were only to happy to use against John Key and his family. Where was the sympathy and the outrage when the Left used it and it wasn’t just for a couple of months like the Deputy Leader of Labour has had to endure, John Key and his Family received this abuse for eight and a half years from the Left and some Labour MP’s.
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March 21, 2017 10:26am
JasonJohns

Trump has written another home run by exposing the UK’s wiretapping of Trump tower. Time for Brit heads to roll.
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March 21, 2017 10:31am
- Lucia Maria
  
  JasonJohns,
  
  Bored of your Kea identity already? I suppose you do have to direct the more outrageous falsehoods to a throwaway persona.
  
  As for the Brits, they are pissed:
  
  Ex-UK ambassador calls White House wiretap claims ‘gratuitously damaging’
  
  Sir Peter Westmacott, writing in the Guardian, has accused the White House of ‘peddling falsehoods’ by suggesting British intelligence spied on Trump Tower
  
  The former British ambassador to Washington, Sir Peter Westmacott, has issued a withering criticism of Donald Trump and his inner circle, accusing them of making absurd, unthinkable and nonsensical claims about the UK’s involvement in alleged wiretapping of Trump Tower that he warns could damage close ties between the two countries.
  
  …
  
  His unrestrained putdown of Trump’s refusal to correct the unsubstantiated wiretapping allegations – which Westmacott ascribes acerbically to the president’s “famous reluctance to admit mistakes” – is a clear indication of the intensity of British anger at having been dragged into what is seen as a controversy entirely of Trump’s own making.
  
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  March 21, 2017 11:03am
  - All_on_Red
    
    I think it’s clear that “wiretapping” is a euphemism. Only a moron would think otherwise.
    So, how else could the Brits know?
    Five Eyes
    ‘PRISM – Operated by the NSA together with the GCHQ and the ASD[54][55]
    XKeyscore – Operated by the NSA with contributions from the ASD and the GCSB[56]
    Tempora – Operated by the GCHQ with contributions from the NSA[57][58]
    MUSCULAR – Operated by the GCHQ and the NSA[59]
    STATEROOM – Operated by the ASD, CIA, CSE, GCHQ, and NSA[60]
    ‘In recent years, documents of the FVEY have shown that they are intentionally spying on one another’s citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on spying. [7][8][9][10][62] Shami Chakrabarti, the director of the advocacy group Liberty, claimed that the FVEY alliance increases the ability of member states to “subcontract their dirty work” to each other.[63] The former NSA contractor Edward Snowden described the FVEY as a “supra-national intelligence organisation that doesn’t answer to the laws of its own countries”.[6]
    
    As a result of Snowden’s disclosures, the FVEY alliance has become the subject of a growing amount of controversy in parts of the world:’
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
    
    So how does Westmacott know that someone isn’t leaking. He doesn’t, he only knows the official line.Interesting the Guardian were among the first to tell the story of Trump being “wiretapped”.
    You like conspiracy theories – lol
    
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    March 21, 2017 12:43pm
    - stephieboy
      
      That is no proof that British Intelligence went out their way and wiretapped the President’s phone..
      
      Presumably President Trump will dismantle Five Eyes Prism and NSA
      
      Yes ?
      
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      March 21, 2017 1:40pm
Jack5

Dame Devoid is barking mad. Her she is making a Churchillian announcement in the Hooerald today:

“The world is at a crossroads when it comes to race relations. The way we treat each other will decide what path New Zealand goes down.”

The Race Relations Commissioner, appointed to her post to respond to complaints of racism and alleged racism, has taken on herself to:

1. Set the country’s policy – specifically so that it doesn’t follow Trump America.

2. Call on NZ citizens, in somewhat Stasi style, to ” to record [racism or alleged racism] attacks, to support people who are being attacked and to ensure attacks are reported.”

This call to the nation is made in statement marking what Devoid and her team call Race Relations Day, in fact the United Nations’ “International Day for the Elimination of Racial Discrimination”.

This is held on March 21, to mark none of the vast genocides such as that of the Jews or the Armenians or the present-day slaughter of Yazidis and Christians in the Middle East.

It marks the shooting dead of 67 peaceful anti-apartheid protesters at Sharpeville, South Africa in 1960. The U.N. General Assembly declared the day as a memorial in 1966.

Devoid’s call to the country:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11822178
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March 21, 2017 10:58am
- Jack5
  
  Another snippet from the Devoid rave:
  
  “When we see yet another racist attack on the news we need to ask ourselves: is this us? Is this the kind of country we want to be? If the answer is no, then we need to do something.”
  
  Like lynch a few whities, I guess.
  
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  March 21, 2017 11:09am
- EAD
  
  Susan Devoy – another one of the Key “gifts” to us that keep on giving.
  
  PS Jack – do you still stand by your multiple comments when Devoy was first appointed?
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/03/the_devoy_appointment.html#comment-1115856
  
  Regardless, Devoy is an excellent appointee following into the post a Marxist who was active in protest politics in Auckland.
  
  But three cheers for Devoy. Great sports woman, great mother, and a great Kiwi. She’s ideal for the job.
  
  I applaud National for appointing Susan Devoy to the post and removing a platform from a string of leftists.
  
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  March 21, 2017 11:48am
  - Jack5
    
    EAD asks me:
    
    PS Jack – do you still stand by your multiple comments when Devoy was first appointed?
    
    No. I was wrong, dead wrong, and I have already apologised at least once on Kiwiblog for those mistaken comments. The Devoy appointment was under attack from Lefties and social justice warriors at the time, but I was still wrong. The Lefties and SJW should feel they were wrong, too.
    
    I guess Judith Collins also knows she was wrong when she appointed Devoy to the post. Collins said at the time:
    
    “Dame Susan has sound governance experience and mature judgement. I am confident she will be a sensible and intelligent voice for race relations issues.”
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10872418
    
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    March 21, 2017 12:57pm
  - stephieboy
    
    An appointee that the left condemed and now the right condemns .
    
    Hmmm…
    
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    March 21, 2017 1:41pm
Manolo

Oh Canada:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4330888/Almost-half-Canadians-want-illegal-border-crossers-deported-Reuters-poll.html

Nearly half of Canadians want to deport people who are illegally crossing into Canada from the United States, an opinion polls shows.

A similar number also disapprove of how Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is handling the influx, according to the Reuters opinion poll released on Monday.
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March 21, 2017 11:32am
- itstricky
  
  As per above – Reuters is fake news & fake polls. Post us something real from thetruthisoutthere.com, won’t ya?
  
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  March 21, 2017 11:52am
Manolo

stephieboy will be thrilled:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/20/trump-was-being-a-gentleman-when-he-held-my-hand-says-may
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March 21, 2017 11:48am
Maggy Wassilieff

Today is the International Day of Forests
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Day_of_Forests

Worried about CO2 levels in the atmosphere?
Why not plant some trees…. or tend to your local forest?
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/20/a-serious-climate-opportunity/
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March 21, 2017 11:55am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I won’t light my fire tonight as a mark of respect to those trees that have given so nobley on the past on the altar of keeping me warm and to those outside in the lean to waiting their turn to serve those who rose to the top of the food chain where broccoli becomes optional, Maggy
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:17pm
All_on_Red

MSM exonerates Trumps claim that they were being surveilled (“wiretapped”)
The New York Times – January 12, 2017
‘In its final days, the Obama administration has expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.
The new rules significantly relax longstanding limits on what the N.S.A. may do with the information gathered by its most powerful surveillance operations, which are largely unregulated by American wiretapping laws. These include collecting satellite transmissions, phone calls and emails that cross network switches abroad, and messages between people abroad that cross domestic network switches.
The change means that far more officials will be searching through raw data. Essentially, the government is reducing the risk that the N.S.A. will fail to recognize that a piece of information would be valuable to another agency, but increasing the risk that officials will see private information about innocent people.’

So 16 Agencies can now have access to Five Eyes Data.
Hmmmm.
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March 21, 2017 12:47pm
Fletch

The committee chairman, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), said in his opening statement: “The fact that Russia hacked U.S. election-related databases comes as no shock to this committee. We have been closely monitoring Russia’s aggressions for years. . . . However, while the indications of Russian measures targeting the U.S. presidential election are deeply troubling, one benefit is already clear – it has focused wide attention on the pressing threats posed by the Russian autocrat. In recent years, Committee members have issued repeated and forceful pleas for stronger action against Russian belligerence. But the Obama administration was committed to the notion, against all evidence, that we could ‘reset’ relations with Putin, and it routinely ignored our warnings.”

Nunes said he also wants to know if the communications of any campaign officials or associates were subject to any improper surveillance.

“Let me be clear,” he said. “We know there was not a wiretap on Trump Tower. However, it’s still possible that other surveillance activities were used against President Trump and his associates.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11822076

I see what they’re doing. Limiting the investigation to literal allegations of “wiretapping” and then saying that it didn’t happen. Well, ‘wiretapping’ is not used anymore in the literal sense, but has become a generalized term for any kind of covert surveillance. I doubt that Trump meant actual wiretapping but that is probably what the report refers to, with the public taking it at face value, with the media using that interpretation.
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March 21, 2017 12:51pm
- ztev
  
  Well Trump doubled down on real wiretapping when meeting with Merkel
  “”As far as wiretapping I guess by this past administration, at least we have something in common, perhaps,”
  Youll have to start from the beginning to mansplain Trump..again.
  You should get a job with the Whitehouse- they are paid to say he didnt say it when he did.
  
  Trump could have said ‘surveillance’ but he didnt. is english his second language . hahahaha
  
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  March 21, 2017 12:57pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Merkels phone was tapped.
    Lol.
    Oh and it’s a capital I on ‘is'(sic).
    
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    March 21, 2017 1:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch ,
  ” I doubt that Trump meant actual wiretapping but that is probably what the report refers to, with the public taking it at face value, with the media using that interpretation.”
  
  I doubt …?
  
  Oh sure ,
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C6El-7lWYAUj0Lp.jpg
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:45pm
All_on_Red

The BBC – January 17, 2017:
‘Lawyers from the National Security Division in the Department of Justice then drew up an application. They took it to the secret US court that deals with intelligence, the Fisa court, named after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. They wanted permission to intercept the electronic records from two Russian banks.
Their first application, in June, was rejected outright by the judge. They returned with a more narrowly drawn order in July and were rejected again. Finally, before a new judge, the order was granted, on 15 October, three weeks before election day.
Neither Mr Trump nor his associates are named in the Fisa order, which would only cover foreign citizens or foreign entities – in this case the Russian banks. But ultimately, the investigation is looking for transfers of money from Russia to the United States, each one, if proved, a felony offence.
A lawyer – outside the Department of Justice but familiar with the case – told me that three of Mr. Trump’s associates were the subject of the inquiry. “But it’s clear this is about Trump,” he said.’

So where did the BBC get their info from?
The BBC are in the UK aren’t they…
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March 21, 2017 12:51pm
- ztev
  
  Hey stupid. That was a fake news story from Breitfart
  http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2017/03/05/trumps-evidence-for-obama-wiretap-claims-relies-on-sketchy-anonymously-sourced-reports/
  
  Those warrants have never been confirmed as you know ‘being real’
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:25pm
  - Kea
    
    “Hey stupid. That was a fake news story from Breitfart”
    
    Where do you get your fake news dipshit ?
    
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    March 21, 2017 1:28pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Hey Stupid
    No, that’s a BBC story. Scroll down for that quote.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38589427
    .Guess they were wrong huh.
    Silly people who believe the BBC
    Hey, you don’t think Trump read it and took them literally do you?
    
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    March 21, 2017 1:41pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Not so,
      
      From ztev’s WP link,
      
      “..Our colleague Robert Costa has reported that White House aides have internally circulated an article on Breitbart titled “Mark Levin to Congress: Investigate Obama’s ‘Silent Coup’ vs. Trump.” Breitbart is a right-leaning news organization that is a rather unreliable source of information. Often the material that is published is derivative and twisted in misleading ways.
      
      However, a White House spokesman told The Fact Checker that the White House instead is relying on reports “from BBC, Heat Street, New York Times, Fox News, among others.” He provided a list of five articles.
      
      Let’s explore the sources of the president’s claim.
      
      The Facts
      
      We are going to start with the Breitbart article, which lists two key data points that appear to relate to the president’s claim:
      
      June 2016: FISA [Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act] request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
      
      October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
      
      But these data points are not based on reporting by Breitbart. Instead, Breitbart links to a report that appeared in Heat Street, another right-leaning news organization: “EXCLUSIVE: FBI ‘Granted FISA Warrant’ Covering Trump Camp’s Ties To Russia.” It was written by Louise Mensch, a former Tory member of the British Parliament and an independent journalist. This is one of the news reports identified by the White House, and it’s the most important one.,,,,”
      
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      March 21, 2017 1:56pm
All_on_Red

NBCs Meet the Press interview with DNI Clapper.
No FISA.
No evidence of collusion between Trump and Russia (from 1:53)
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/full-clapper-no-evidence-of-collusion-between-trump-and-russia-890509379597
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March 21, 2017 1:17pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Kea, are you playing?

(Positive emotional contagion in a NZ parrot)
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/fulltext/S0960-9822(17)30156-2
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March 21, 2017 1:21pm
- Kea
  
  Great to see some real science getting done. I wonder if the proposal included reference to studying the effect of Climate Change on behaviour ?
  
  Its pretty much a standard clause now days if you want any money.
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:26pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Play a few calls to a bunch of birds, make a video and use big phrases like emotionally contagious vocalizations….
    
    The paper makes no mention of climate change….
    These folks stayed on task.
    
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    March 21, 2017 1:38pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”kea of all ages, including adult males and females, were engaged in play. While intersexual adult play is seen among primates and canids, it is generally associated with courtship behaviour or with other immediate social benefits, such as access to food [9]. Bonobos (Pan paniscus) [10] are believed to test potential mates through play, while African hunting dogs (Lycaon pictus) and timber wolves (Canis lupus) play to strengthen social bonds before a hunt [9]. In contrast, play between adults of the opposite sex in kea occurred spontaneously “…..
      
      The dirty little buggers have evolved further than the Islamists. 🙂
      
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      March 21, 2017 1:43pm
    - Kea
      
      “The paper makes no mention of climate change”
      
      Poor buggers will be on the bones of their arse then. Living in the bush eating Indomie noodles and scribbling notes on filthy crumpled paper with mold on it.
      
      If only they would lie about the weather, they could be flown around the Alps by helicopter and whisked back to flash hotels in time for their Crayfish dinners. 🙂
      
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      March 21, 2017 1:46pm
Kea

virtualmark, how did Russia “help” Trump ?

Be specific: Eg. by exposing the corruption of Hillary.
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March 21, 2017 1:22pm
- virtualmark
  
  Kea. The two big ways …
  
  (1) Russia hacked the DNC email system and then slow-dripped those emails to Wikileaks,
  (2) Russia put its troll factories to work writing fake news.
  
  Look, I’m glad Hilary didn’t win. I’m amazed the Dems picked her. That woman has more baggage than a camel caravan. I think a candidate like Kerry would have beaten Trump.
  
  But, enough about Hilary, let’s talk about you. Are you happy that your man Trump is a fellow traveller? What’s really ironic is that Trump learnt his bully boy tactics from Roy Cohn … who was McCarthy’s chief counsel in the Red Scare. What do you think McCarthy would have made of the Donald’s Russian ties? Don’t you think history has a funny way of doing circles?
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:50pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Comey today said Putin hates Clinton. That was always his motive- to hurt her and to find stuff he could use against her if she won.
    I also heard that in August last year they thought Trump ( like everyone else) didn’t have any chance of winning.
    In fact even after all the DNC leaks, email server scandals et al, right up to Election night 99% of everyone STILL thought Trump wouldn’t win.
    So the idea that Putin was helping Trump as his motivation falls flat.
    It’s a narrative pushed by Hillary supporters because they are in denial about why they lost.
    And you’re falling for it.
    
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    March 21, 2017 3:34pm
    - virtualmark
      
      (shrug) Read my post above and tell me where I’m in denial about why Hillary lost. I’m happy she lost. She’s a mean venal untrustworthy person.
      
      Sure, I think the Russian’s wanted to hurt Hillary more than they wanted to help the Don. But from their respective public statements I do think the Don and the Vlad have a bromance. Can’t you just see them riding their horses together this summer, shirts off … sure you can, stop denying it.
      
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      March 21, 2017 4:03pm
Kea

I see various US Govt agencies are now all running for cover over the bugging of Trump – by Obama.

They are all lying to covering each other arses, because the truth will undermine public confidence in those agencies.

Trump is not fooled and they can expect some major restructuring as Trump removes those who put self interest and politics ahead of their professional duties.

Its a dirty and corrupt system and Trump will be taking out the garbage.
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March 21, 2017 1:34pm
Ambergris

Having read through most of the previous comments on GD I am amazed how people who are for the most part probably intelligent and sincere lose the ability for rational thought when it comes to Trump.

Isn’t he simply a former reality TV host and property billionaire with no obvious previous political convictions who saw an opportunity and one way or the other became President of the United States of America?

Surely it’s clear he is out of his depth in that position? The twitter obsession alone is idiotic and isn’t Twitter something the “left” likes but the “right” doesn’t?

I cannot get my head around the fact so many defend him and say “fake news” or some such, seemingly without even bothering to look at the evidence which is piling up against him!

Because he says he has views of the world from a right wing perspective, and yes he was elected as a right wing president, surely that means nothing if he is just plain wrong?

There are some on here taking a more balanced view of what is happening in the USA. I hope they don’t get discouraged by down ticks and pointless one liners like “it’s fake news”

Actually most of it isn’t and most of these fake news claims themselves come from sources with little credibility. If you bother to dig around and make a judgement based on what you find you will know that also.
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March 21, 2017 1:35pm
- Kea
  
  “with no obvious previous political convictions ”
  
  Trump has always been vocal in his political views. For the most part he has been left of center, gave generously to Clinton, and is a non-interventionist who does not support military aggression.
  
  “sources with little credibility”
  
  Name your sources with credibility. And no, the Guardian, Washington Post and Stuffed news do not count.
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:41pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Vocal in his views ? Sure like supporting the 2003 invasion of Iraq .,the 2011 bombing of Libya, thousands of Muslims across the Hudson cheering the 9/11 attacks and a plan in 30 days he would have ISIS eliminated .
    
    http://thefifthcolumnnews.com/2017/02/trump-reneges-on-30-day-isis-plan-promise/
    
    LOL
    
    The guy is a pathlogical liar .
    
    Simple.
    
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    March 21, 2017 2:06pm
  - Ambergris
    
    Yes because I think his politics change to suit whatever whim takes him that day, or did so before he started along the road of being a Republican presidential hopeful.
    
    Okay and then you tell me all the credible sources you follow. Bloomberg, Forbes, Motley Fool, Business Week, Reuters, Associated Press, CSM, WSJ, Factcheck, Snopes, and Fact Checking, Daily Mail and most other British daily newspapers, Beibert, Barrons, Alternat News.
    
    I read, I think and I make my own decision as to what makes sense. Do you?
    
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    March 21, 2017 5:34pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘Actually most of it isn’t and most of these fake news claims themselves come from sources with little credibility’
  
  I know what you mean. It’s been a yuge shock to me to learn how fake and wrong The Guardian, The New York Times and the BBC are!
  Just look at their articles posted today!
  Terrible! Sad!
  
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  March 21, 2017 1:46pm
  - Ambergris
    
    They must be wrong because Breibart doesn’t agree? I think I know what you mean!
    
    Its sad because we depend on accurate news and now someone is telling us to distrust anything said against him.
    
    But we can all think for ourselves if we leave political bias behind.
    
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    March 21, 2017 5:37pm
- Inandout
  
  The answer to getting near the truth is not to rely on any one news source. If I was a CNN fan I would get a very one sided view of Trump, and for those who think Fox is entirely pro Trump then think again. Dumcan Garner on his breakfast show was literally creaming his pants this morning when he thought Trump was going to be impeached. The bias showing is bloody shameful.
  
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  March 21, 2017 2:33pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Fox is certainly not afraid to report that Trump is now less popular than Bernie Sanders, Planned Parenthood or Obamacare. Sources indicate that White House staffers are pressing Fox to conduct a fairer poll, comparing Trump’s popularity with Ebola, divorce lawyers and the Zodiac Killer.
    
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    March 21, 2017 3:42pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Trump deserves his low Polling. There is much he is doing right but he messes it up with silly words and tweets.
      If he returned to the discipline he showed in the final two weeks of the Election he’d do much better.
      Mind you, Andrew Little does the same- stuff it up with stupid things.
      Looks like Bill English is drifting that way a bit too.
      
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      March 21, 2017 3:51pm
      - virtualmark
        
        All_on_Red,
        
        Trump deserves his low Polling. There is much he is doing right but he messes it up with silly words and tweets.
        If he returned to the discipline he showed in the final two weeks of the Election he’d do much better.
        
        Welcome to the dark side.
        
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        March 21, 2017 4:09pm
- virtualmark
  
  Ambergris,
  
  This will help you understand Trump … http://www.wwe.com/superstars/donald-trump
  
  With the Don it’s all about the show. If ever in doubt about the Don’s behaviour ask yourself “What would a WWE professional wrestler do?”. And bingo, you will understand.
  
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  March 21, 2017 4:13pm
Hugh Pavletich

… New Zealand political lesson: Perform with housing issue … or perish …

Bill English less popular than John Key as preferred PM, new poll finds | Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/90663942/bill-english-less-popular-than-john-key-as-preferred-pm-new-poll-finds

Prime Minister Bill English is failing to match the popularity of his predecessor John Key, according to a new poll.

The latest Newshub-Reid Research poll has placed English on 25 per cent in the preferred prime minister rankings.

The result puts him 11 percentage points behind Key’s 36.7 per cent result in August last year – which was his worst result in the Newshub poll.

English’s result appears to be the lowest figure for a sitting Prime Minister in at least 10 years, dating back to Helen Clark’s final term in charge. … read more via hyperlink above …

John Key bailed because he had no intention of facing the music in 2017 … so Bill English got the hospityal pass. Late Januay I explained this within ‘New Zealand’s housing consensus: Where is the political leadersghip?” …

http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2017/01/auckland-worlds-fourth-hardest-to-buy.html

The late May 2016 Newshub – Reid Research poll made it clear Keys political career was finished …

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/05/opinion-john-keys-govt-has-failed-new-zealand-on-housing.html
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March 21, 2017 1:47pm
sam green

So what are the non fake news sources we should be accessing?
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March 21, 2017 1:52pm
- jonar
  
  Any news source with articles the Trump supporters agree with.
  
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  March 21, 2017 2:01pm
- virtualmark
  
  Breitbart and Infowars. Anything else is fake news published by communists. Even the Financial Times and Wall Street Journal. Communist fifth columnists.
  
  Although … we’re not quite sure if the communists aren’t our close friends now. I think we’re against the Aussies, and the Europeans. But for the Russians. I don’t know, just wait for your next instructions via 5am tweet.
  
  And if you see anything that’s not glowing praise for Trump then down-vote it. Criticism = hate speech. We need our safe places.
  
  /sarc
  
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  March 21, 2017 2:06pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I don’t see why we should be limited to Breitbart and Infowars. Can’t we have Veterans Today, PJ Media, National Review, WorldNetDaily, RT and PressTV for a bit of balance?
    
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    March 21, 2017 3:47pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Yeah, and Jestercourt, NY Mag, CNN, MSNBC, The Guardian,anything on The View and of course Skeptical Science! They’re complete nutters over at SKS. Griff likes them. QED
      
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      March 21, 2017 3:55pm
    - virtualmark
      
      Well, I was going to include RT as well. But I figured that Breitbart and Infowars will patriotically re-publish the RT content anyway. Vlad’s got a direct line to Breitbart HQ.
      
      Need to warn you though that National Review’s support is flagging. Bannon’s on to them though. He’ll have them goose-stepping into line again shortly.
      
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      March 21, 2017 3:56pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Vlad’s got a direct line to Breitbart HQ.’
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-b5aW08ivHU
        
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        March 21, 2017 4:00pm
      - sam green
        
        Breitbart aye – now there’s a bunch of neutral, unbiased journalists that never make anything up.
        
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        March 21, 2017 4:20pm
jonar

http://www.theonion.com/article/aides-wrestle-drill-trumps-hands-he-tries-remove-o-55576

Rushing toward the president as he pressed the eight-inch bit into his temple, several White House aides managed to wrestle a drill from Donald Trump’s hand Monday while he attempted to remove Obama’s listening device from his skull. “Obama implanted a microphone inside my head to record everything I say!” Trump reportedly shouted shortly before three White House staffers pinned him to the floor and pried apart his fingers to seize the power tool.
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March 21, 2017 2:03pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jonar , thanks for that . To think that All on Red and Kea types would most likely believe it.
  
  LOL
  
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  March 21, 2017 2:11pm
  - rangitoto
    
    Projection. I recall you believed every word of The Onion before it was pointed out to you that it is a satire site.
    
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    March 21, 2017 2:43pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      True- he did. That was hilarious. Stephie takes everything literally. Even politicians promises!
      So funny.
      
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      March 21, 2017 3:27pm
  - Manolo
    
    To assume that your gullibility is contagious and widespread is a step too far, dear stephieboy.
    
    Get a grip on reality.
    
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    March 21, 2017 3:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo and felow Trumpets ,
      
      Speaking of things Parody wise ,
      
      “Is Alex Jones A Paid Russian Shill? (Little Coverage Of Russian Spies Or Anti-Russian Stories) ”
      
      http://www.redstate.com/diary/barrypopik/2010/07/09/is-alex-jones-a-paid-russian-shill-little-coverage-of-russian-spies-or-anti-russian-stories/
      
      LOL
      
      All on Wed , guess the make of drill the President uses for his head ?
      
      LOL
      
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      March 21, 2017 3:32pm
      - Manolo
        
        You are fast becoming a parody, stephieboy. Think before you write or comment.
        
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        March 21, 2017 3:37pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Sooo Stephie,
    When it comes to throwing homosexuals off the roof, how tall should the building be?
    
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    March 21, 2017 3:26pm
Awww C-mon

Not Sure when the return happened, I am a bit hit and miss at the moment…

Hi Kea!!
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March 21, 2017 3:20pm
Jack5

Now bugging phobia is in NZ!

Bill English’s successor in the ultra-safe National seat, Southland-Clutha, is quoted in the Hooerald as refusing to co-operate with police into an inquiry into alleged bugging of his electorate staff.

This alleged bugging was alluded to months ago in reports that young MP Todd Barclay was offside with some of the veterans in the Southland-Clutha electorate office.

Is it the Trump bugging reports that have revived the inquiry into allegations that young Todd Barclay was snooping on his staff? Or is it just hte approach of the General Election?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11821928
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March 21, 2017 3:34pm
Stars And Stripes

Dunedin school ends strict ‘boys’ and ‘girls’ uniforms
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/90683834/dunedin-school-ends-strict-boys-and-girls-uniforms
“Principal Heidi Hayward said the change was a practical way to value diversity”.

Personally I could not care less whether a school has a uniform or not but her reason “diversity” for abolishing it speaks volumes really.
Another wish washy do gooder pushing her ideological barrow at the school.
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March 21, 2017 4:07pm
- mikenmild
  
  You’ve got your mother in a whirl
  She’s not sure if you’re a boy or a girl
  – David Bowie
  
  And if she’s not sure, S&S, how the hell is your school principal supposed to work it out. Just stick to wearing your kilt and call it a skirt when you are among friends.
  
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  March 21, 2017 4:13pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    My apologies MM as you seem slightly perturbed by my post.
    Issues of ambiguity happen in many families but I am sure as whanau you can work through this.
    
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    March 21, 2017 4:19pm
- Longknives
  
  What’s so wrong with Boys wearing a Boy’s Uniform and Girls wearing a Girl’s Uniform?
  
  Can anybody please tell me?? It’s how we rolled back when I was at High School-And shock,horror it seemed to work just okay…
  
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  March 21, 2017 6:37pm
Brigitte

This Russian hacking claim has got me wondering about how it works. After all Clinton was under investigation for the server and the FBI published e-mails so having more put on Wikileaks would hardly have mattered (a bit like ‘Dirty Politics’ that was so widely read that it appeared at give-away prices in bargain bins within days).

So was it the shafting of Sanders. Would Feel-the-Bern supporters really be so peeved as to vote for Trump over a Dem candidate? Hardly, I reckon.

So can anyone explain how the Russian hack (assuming it’s true) changed enough voters minds to result in a Trump win rather than a Hillary win. I can’t see any way that could happen but perhaps someone can explain it (preferably with some supporting evidence).
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March 21, 2017 4:18pm
- Jack5
  
  How it works? Perhaps sometimes through flaws in the software that runs internet connection devices like switches.
  
  Hackers are looking for such flaws all the time.
  
  Here’s a flaw in switches of one of the big brands:
  
  http://www.zdnet.com/article/cisco-warns-of-critical-security-flaw-found-buried-in-wikileaks-vault-7-disclosure/?loc=newsletter_large_thumb_related&ftag=TREc64629f&bhid=22329532938880423690486734870500
  
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  March 21, 2017 4:53pm
  - mikenmild
    
    And is your microwave connected to the internet?
    
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    March 21, 2017 5:42pm
    - Jack5
      
      That’s a particularly ignorant response, Milky. The post was about firmware security flaws in network switches, and you rabbit on about microwaves (as in ovens).
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:00pm
Inandout

Trump is not a career politician, that is obvious. The US has got to get used to a different type of President, one who obviously doesn’t follow the White House rule book. What should an ideal politician say and act like, should the public service call the shots? Call me deluded if you like, but I think Trump will succeed in the end; and then you can call me ‘late for dinner’.
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March 21, 2017 5:03pm
- SGA
  
  ‘late for dinner’ if he succeeds, ‘out to lunch’ if he doesn’t? 🙂
  
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  March 21, 2017 6:39pm
Lucia Maria

Comey Hearing Adds to Chaos of Trump Presidency: A Closer Look – Late Night with Seth Myers (10:54 minutes)

So. Much. Material. For. Comedy.
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March 21, 2017 5:17pm
ex-golfer

So Hagar has breathlessly released a book about how the SAS take revenge for a death of their own.

Good on the SAS.

Hagar and his co-author Stephenson might want to watch their backs…..somehow I think some members of the SAS might not like the implications that will be drawn in the “soon-to-be-consigned-to-the-$2-bin” book .
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March 21, 2017 5:36pm
- mikenmild
  
  Jon Stephenson has a good record of reporting on NZ’s involvement in Afghanistan, despite the NZDF’s failed attempt to smear him.
  
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  March 21, 2017 5:46pm
- niggly
  
  Is Hager alleging the SAS killed the villagers, or does he mean either the US helicopter gunship or the Afghan commandos did?
  
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  March 21, 2017 5:58pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I’m not sure of the specific allegations.
    
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    March 21, 2017 6:08pm
    - ex-golfer
      
      And yet you’ve already determined that alleged war-crimes were committed?
      Either you are sure of your position or you are not – having it both ways doesn’t really work.
      
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      March 21, 2017 6:42pm
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s not what I said. I just noted that Stephenson has credibility i reporting from Afghanistan.
        
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        March 21, 2017 6:57pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        So its your evil-twin commenting on the “New Hager Book” thread is it?
        You know, the one where you casually throw around an allegation of alleged war crimes being committed.
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:10pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I alleged no such thing.
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:12pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        Fair enough……
        
        mikenmild
        
        “War is hell” is not a viable defence to war crimes allegations.
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:21pm
    - niggly
      
      Thanks MM. So far it appears that the SAS didn’t kill the villagers but the US helicopter gunships did.
      
      See https://twitter.com/henrycooke/status/844060184506912768/photo/1
      
      Looks like again Jon Stephenson (with Hager) smears the SAS implying they did it (like he did a few years ago)?
      
      In other words in Hager/Stephenson minds, the SAS are guilty by association.
      
      In other words in Hager/Stephenson minds so is John Key, Wayne Mapp, the National Party, the NZDF, etc, etc, etc, etc …
      
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      March 21, 2017 6:42pm
      - mikenmild
        
        You might recall that Stephenson sued the Defence Force for defamation and won.
        
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        March 21, 2017 6:58pm
      - niggly
        
        Yes, remember that, IIRC the issue was whether Stephenson was on base which the NZDF denied on the record. It seemed to me the NZDF could have been telling the truth (e.g. if the Afghan Base Commander denied Stephenson was on base, to protect his backside with the NZDF Chief of Defence Force)? Then after a protracted court case not really getting anyone anywhere (he said/she said etc) the NZDF’s CDF Rhys Jones thought best to do the gentlemanly thing and concede, from Stephenson’s perspective, that he was on base. Then hey presto in typical SJW fashion Stephenson instead of in gentlemanly fashion shaking hands and agreeing to resolve the impasse decided to sue the NZDF in return for defamation. Am I wrong or was that about it in a nutshell?
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:12pm
      - mikenmild
        
        after a protracted court case
        
        Which was completely unnecessary and fought tooth and nail by the NZDF.
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:15pm
- Inandout
  
  I would love to see Hagar forced to do military service, this treacherous little man. Key should let slip something secret tomorrow, that he knows about our resident communist, seeing the grape face is trying to rain on Key’s parade. To my mind whatever the SAS does in time of war gets my tick.
  
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  March 21, 2017 6:28pm
Keeping Stock

Quite so ex-golfer.

You have to admire Hager though, in a back-handed way. He gets dozens of people to rock up to a book shop expecting something really juicy, and hits them with this damp squib.

Maybe the I-have-proof-that-Key-is-a-shapeshifting-alien-reptile book will be out in August, and he’ll get Twitter in a lather again.
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March 21, 2017 5:43pm
- ex-golfer
  
  I’m sure the soon to be released “John Key Eats Babys for Breakfast and I have proof in emails sent to some guy I’ve never met before” book will be a great seller in downtown Newtown.
  
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  March 21, 2017 5:52pm
- ex-golfer
  
  I’ve been told, by a colleague that was at the book launch, that there was a noticeable disappointment, both audibly and visually from the crowd gathered.
  I’m sure they were all waiting for the great revelation that John Key does indeed eat babies for breakfast!
  
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  March 21, 2017 7:27pm
- sooty
  
  Will the book launch be good or bad for the bookshop? Is it going to bring in the punters or drive them away?
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:34pm
Nostalgia-NZ

This judgement may feature as a blog tomorrow, who knows?

http://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/banks-v-r-2/@@images/fileDecision
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March 21, 2017 5:53pm
- Ross12
  
  Nostalgia-NZ
  I’d like one of the lawyers who post on here to help explain how the Court came dismiss Bank’s claim for costs.
  A non lawyer like me says if someone is acquitted , why shouldn’t they be reimbursed for the costs they incurred to defend themselves.
  
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  March 21, 2017 6:04pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Quite often, a person’s own actions will lead to investigation and prosecution. Mere acquittal is not always sufficient to shift the responsibility for defending oneself.
    
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    March 21, 2017 6:10pm
    - Keeping Stock
      
      I don’t know that’s the case here mikenmild. Justice Wylie preferred the evidence of Dotcom, Mrs Dotcom and Dotcom’s henchman over that or Amanda Banks. Mrs Banks was so stung by that she found proof that the evidence Wylie J relied upon to convict her husband was at best unreliable, and at worst fabricated. Banks was subsequently acquitted, and Wylie J took the most unusual step of apologising to Mrs Banks.
      
      In those circumstances there was clearly a miscarriage of justice, and I am surprised that the Court of Appeal has not recognised that in awarding Banks at least a portion of his costs. It was pretty obvious to anyone who took an interest in the case that the Solicitor-General’s office acted in very bad faith towards John Banks.
      
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      March 21, 2017 6:20pm
      - mikenmild
        
        On the contrary, the Court of Appeal has found that Justice Wylie was perfectly correct in his costs judgement.
        
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        March 21, 2017 6:59pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      In general terms you are correct. That is why I am so pissed off with Bain getting $925k hush money.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I suspect it is because in a court of law black can be white.
    
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    March 21, 2017 6:11pm
- holysheet
  
  Nah That rat faced little prick will release a book about the courts miscarriage of justice in not allowing krim.com to be a party to this appeal.
  
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  March 21, 2017 6:07pm
The Virgin

Prune Face takes on the SAS, fuckin idiot. This won’t end well for him.
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March 21, 2017 6:26pm
lifesgood

Hagar is a rat faced moron. Apart from his little band of cronies I doubt anyone else in New Zealand will care about what the SAS did/didn’t do. Doesn’t he know or understand what war is?
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March 21, 2017 6:42pm
- mikenmild
  
  You are perhaps unfamiliar with the laws of armed conflict. I can assure you that they do exist, and those who breach them are sometimes even punished for that.
  
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  March 21, 2017 7:01pm
  - ex-golfer
    
    Yeah – the opposition certainly live up to those so-called “laws of armed conflict”. I’m sure they’d happily stop for a cup of tea if you asked them.
    Feel free to give it a go.
    
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    March 21, 2017 7:04pm
    - mikenmild
      
      The test is not really what your enemy does, is it?
      
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      March 21, 2017 7:05pm
      - ex-golfer
        
        That would be my test if I was facing death at their hands.
        
        You, of course, could always show them the “laws” before they shoot you in the head. At least your conscience would be clear as you died.
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:16pm
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    So, we`ll wait with bated breath for his expose` on the Taliban and Isis then?
    I guess the easiest thing for this rat-faced cunt tho`, is to just print evidence free allegations.
    
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    March 21, 2017 7:05pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Could you summarise your reading of the book so we can asses your claim that it is ‘evidence free’.
      
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      March 21, 2017 7:07pm
      - B.L.Zeebub
        
        The summary is that it`ll be filed under, no one gives a shit, like all his other fantasy Penny Dreadfuls.
        Notably, every headline running sez, alleges, ergo sans evidence, containing nothing but hysterical opinion.
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:13pm
      - stigie
        
        But, is there anyone here interested in reading that $2 book Milky..?
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:15pm
      - lifesgood
        
        Hello-o…is that you Nicky? Refering to milkenmild
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:16pm
      - mikenmild
        
        There’s a summary here, so you don’t need to buy the book:
        http://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/21-03-2017/new-hager-book-is-hit-run-the-new-zealand-sas-in-afghanistan-and-the-meaning-of-honour/
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:17pm
  - niggly
    
    You are perhaps unfamiliar with the laws of armed conflict. I can assure you that they do exist, and those who breach them are sometimes even punished for that.”
    Fully agree MM. I recall the NZSAS during the East Timor conflict were disgusted at an Australian SAS trooper cutting the ears off a dead “insurgent” and reported that.
    
    So I’d hate for an activist book author and activist war correspondent to be smearing the reputation of the NZSAS as committing war crimes (and I note Hager is careful to say the SAS are professional). Hmm.
    
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    March 21, 2017 7:22pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Hager has said that the book could not have been written without assistance from NZDF personnel who were upset about what had happened.
      
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      March 21, 2017 7:29pm
      - Longknives
        
        Hager says lots of things Mikey.
        I wouldn’t treat them all as Gospel..
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:53pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I’m not planning to do that.
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:55pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        I have met people who were in that war zone who’s minds had been completely fucked by the experience.
        Who knows what some of them may have said to the rat-faced little prick?
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:05pm
    - Jack5
      
      ❓ Niggly posted at 7.22:
      
      I recall the NZSAS during the East Timor conflict were disgusted at an Australian SAS trooper cutting the ears off a dead “insurgent” and reported that.
      
      Niggly, are you sure you aren’t confusing this with the case of the NZ soldier who was killed by Indonesians, who took off his ears. I think Helen Clark tried to organise prosecution of an Indonesian soldier over this.
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/indonesia-and-east-timor/news/article.cfm?c_id=589&objectid=145920
      
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      March 21, 2017 8:34pm
      - niggly
        
        Jack – my bad, yes you’re right, it was Kiwi Pvte Manning who suffered that indignation.
        
        I was mixed up with an episode in which the OZ SAS allegedly kicked some dead militants or such.
        http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2003/s920615.htm
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Martin McGuinness has just died
https://www.rte.ie/news/2017/0321/861287-martin-mcguinness-death/
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March 21, 2017 7:17pm
- Jack5
  
  😎 Hager will reckon the SAS nailed him by mistake.
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:02pm
big bruv

Martin McGuinness dead……that is fucking great news!
I hope his last days were spent in agony, the world is a much better place with his passing.
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March 21, 2017 7:27pm
- Kea
  
  Too true big bruv. The world is a little bit better every time a Catholic dies, except the thousands of kids who were born Catholic and were killed by the church in Ireland.
  
  Latest mass grave contained 800 babies and kids.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:39pm
krazykiwi

This is delicious:

Poll: Jacinda Ardern leapfrogs Andrew Little

That would be fun to watch 🙂

Neither are capable of running the country, but only one has a pretty smile.
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March 21, 2017 7:27pm
- Brigitte
  
  I don’t think the rest of the party are capable either. Just read Hansard of today’s Q&A and they really are out of their depth. You’d think that they would check what the Govt was doing before accusing them of not doing anything. Or presenting statistics when they were worse under the previous Labour Govt.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:07pm
- sooty
  
  Pass the popcorn. It’s not going to end in smiles, Andy. Just remember your aunty getting shafted! That’s you in the not too distant future! Bring it on!
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:15pm
Happychappy

Is Winston asking questions from Whale Oil as it seem a real coincidence that these are the same questions Cameron has been asking for weeks on whale. The other sign is whale dislikes Jenny Shipley also.
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March 21, 2017 7:55pm
Kea

Lucia Maria

JasonJohns,

Bored of your Kea identity already?

The hosts special friend has clearly deteriorated, in spite of the special treatment afforded her on this blog. The nutty conspiracy theories, Anti Slavic hatred, denial of accepted history, and abuse of others, has become noticeable worse.

Her ratio of down ticks demonstrates that DPF’s special friend does not meet with popular approval, no matter how many messengers are shot.

A few people are waking up to the lies and hate of those who seek to control the narrative.
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March 21, 2017 8:03pm
- EAD
  
  Well said Kea,
  
  If you want to see the outer reaches of political thought in NZ, check out her laughably named “NZConservative” website which is anything but!
  
  Every blog post is literally a different angle on a it’s all a Russian conspiracy! (She’s obviously never read Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s masterpiece “200 years together”)
  
  Just batsh*t crazy talk where the delusional contributors view themselves as middle of the road “moderates”
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:16pm
nasska

An opinion poll has been released showing the voting intentions of Muslim women:

6% Labour
3% NZ First
2% National

The rest have not yet been told by their husbands who they’re voting for.
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March 21, 2017 8:41pm
- Kea
  
  100% of intelligent people believe women should not vote.
  
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  March 21, 2017 8:43pm
  - nasska
    
    Good luck with slipping disenfranchisement under the noses of the sisterhood Kea.
    
    I predict with confidence that your meat & vegetables will end up nailed to the centre of the trophy room wall at the local feminists society. 🙂
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:50pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Stephiestani troll team will be with on that, Kea.
    
    😀
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:05pm
    - Kea
      
      On becoming Supreme Leader I will sign the following orders in the first 5 minutes.
      
      – No vote for women and vegans.
      – Labour, Greens, Warmists registered as terrorist groups. ( our bored military can deal with them)
      – Hillary and Obama supporters placed in detention centers and sterilised … until we can figure out what is going on.
      – All government funding for education cut, except for maths, English, engineering, IT and science.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:14pm
      - nasska
        
        Do you see a future for the Treaty of Waitangi in your proposed nirvana Kea? 🙂
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:17pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’m considering voting for you but you haven’t clarified your position on cats, trolls and entomophagy.
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:21pm
      - Kea
        
        nasska, Mouldy will be entitled to equal benefits. (But not the women and vegan Mouldy).
        
        Their tamariki will get all the free education and health care they want.
        
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        March 21, 2017 9:22pm
      - Jack5
        
        Maggy’s “entomophagy”. Had to look that up. Eating insects.
        
        Cochineal in quite a lot of goods. Weevils in old-days sailing ships’ flour. Can’t think of much other food directly from insects, apart from honey and similar apiary products.
        
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        March 21, 2017 10:18pm
Maggy Wassilieff

W(h)anganui leads the world.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-39336284
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March 21, 2017 9:15pm
- mikenmild
  
  Are you angling for your own classification as a goddess?
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:25pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If you had read Kea, you would see that women (goddesses) won’t be able to vote.
    
    I will transition to the male state when Kea becomes supreme Leader
    (keep up!)
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:39pm
- Kea
  
  “cats, trolls and entomophagy”
  
  ➡ Cats are approved.
  ➡ Trolls are encouraged.
  ➡ Insects are not vegetables and can be eaten.
  
  Food has a face and can look you in the eye. Anyone buying vegetables will need to register with the Supply Store (SS) and sign an affidavit confession that they are subversives.
  
  An exception will be made for crops used in Vodka and Beer production.
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:29pm
nasska

Wait until they hear about NZ geology Maggy. Apparently, according to Maori mythology, Tongario, Ngauruhoe & Ruapehu ganged up on Mt Taranaki & force it to retreat to its current location. Naturally this has caused consternation amongst the country’s vulcanologists not educated to understand such mobility.

The world stands in awe of our wandering mountains. 🙂
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March 21, 2017 9:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh nasska,
  
  I’m a W(h)anganui girl..
  I grew up with these romantic tales.
  Looks like Ruapehu and Taranaki (Egmont) are still playing hanky-panky
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/89510777/Geologists-inch-closer-to-understanding-Mt-Taranakis-mysteries
  
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  March 21, 2017 9:36pm
  - Jack5
    
    But where did the idea of W(h)anganui’s Mr River come from, or is it Ms River? Maybe Finlayson was carried away by an old recording on Youtube of Paul Robeson:
    
    https://youtu.be/eh9WayN7R-s
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:41pm
    - Kea
      
      Jack5, the white fellas pulled the name our of their arse just like all the other “Maori” names we describe with the Roman alphabet.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:43pm
      - Jack5
        
        Kea, on the other hand is onomatopoeia. Doesn’t matter what alphabet you use for it. For example: ки’а.
        
        I’m surprised Maori didn’t give the parrot a god’s name.
        
        Soaring, mischievous, intelligent … was it too cold up at the snow line for Maori to have much to do with keas?
        
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        March 21, 2017 10:12pm
      - Kea
        
        “ки’а”
        
        Jesus don’t let Loopy Lucy see that 🙂
        
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        March 21, 2017 10:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      That I do not know….
      possibly from someone with a legal frame of mind.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:45pm
  - nasska
    
    It’s Mt Pihanga that concerns me Maggy.
    
    Have the government offered her emotional counselling? 🙂
    
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    March 21, 2017 9:44pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      She is covered in Tongariro’s blanket each night and foggy morning.
      I think they are happy together.
      
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      March 21, 2017 9:47pm
- sam green
  
  Yeah – but did you hear about Scylla and Charybdis?
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Are you trying to imply that I’m unkulched becoz I cum from Castlecliff.?
    
    One of my daughters has a degree in Classics.
    
    I read Classic Comix
    
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    March 21, 2017 10:24pm
    - Kea
      
      One of my daughters has a degree in Classics
      
      I’m sorry. I am sure you did your best with her and you must not blame yourself 😉
      
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      March 21, 2017 10:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        It was a shock…
        
        How can you Major in Classics when you have no Latin or Greek?
        
        Seems you don’t have to, nowadays.
        
        (Anyway, she sort of saw the light and did her hons in History)
        … So has managed to get a History honours degree in NZ without ever taking a paper in NZ history, or having studied history at high school.
        (brilliant, eh?)
        
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        March 21, 2017 10:43pm
    - sam green
      
      Knot ut all Maggy. Um shoor your veri kultchad.
      
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      March 21, 2017 10:40pm
      - Kea
        
        Spam, I never done that shit and I got culture coming out my arse. chur
        
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        March 21, 2017 10:45pm
Chuck Bird

Did anyone see American Sniper? The rag heads will use their own children as suicide bombers.
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March 21, 2017 9:57pm
- sam green
  
  Did anyone see The Wizard of Oz?
  
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  March 21, 2017 10:13pm
RF

The ferret must be thick. If he believes the SAS are capable of payback for a soldiers death, he has just handed them his arse on a plate for writing this crap.
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March 21, 2017 10:17pm
- sam green
  
  Freedom of speech?
  
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