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stigie

Im fucking outraged !
Why wasn’t this feral scum sterilized years ago..?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11820070
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March 20, 2017 8:43am
- Huevon
  
  Interesting to ponder what would happen if we didn’t have excessively generous welfare….would she freeze to death in a central Nth Island winter? Resort to deeper level of criminality? Get a job?
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:47am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Just look to history to see why there is a welfare state in the first place.
    Abject poverty never stopped people breeding before the welfare state, indeed they tended to have larger families that lived in squalor.
    Like it or not, people like this are the reason why we have a welfare state.
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:16am
    - GoVege
      
      Usually only the intellectually handicapped/ Catholics and those from sexist cultures like Maori.
      But then why are over 80% of Maori women on the DPB thsee days?
      
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      March 20, 2017 2:51pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        provide your evidence govege. Oh I agree that far too many are on benefit but 80%?
        
        You negate any point you’re trying to make by pulling figures out of your vegan arse.
        
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        March 20, 2017 5:25pm
      - mikenmild
        
        80% – PIDOOMA
        
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        March 20, 2017 5:30pm
      - GoVege
        
        I read it in the Herald, NW.
        Their stats are usually fairly reliable.
        Don’t need to get nasty about it.
        Also they don’t just have 1 or 2 on the benny.
        I frequently meet Maori beneficiaries with 10 or more kids.
        Why don’t you all do something about it….like talking about contraception?
        
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        March 20, 2017 8:14pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        You read it in the Herald? Calling bullshit on that govege.
        
        Admit you made an assumption and made your figures up.
        
        And I see clients every working day govege, and yes, it’s not uncommon to see married couples on benefit, with more than 6 children. Very few single mums with that many but that’s because the “Dad” normally have a couple in his “care”. And guess who have the largest families in South Auckland? Not Maori…
        
        And here’s something you might not be aware of. Approaching the subject of contraception with a client without them initiating it? Will get a case manager sacked.
        
        So again govege, stop pulling stats like 80% out of your arse.
        
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        March 20, 2017 8:39pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Also, his ‘I frequently meet Maori beneficiaries with 10 or more kids.’ Total bullshit.
        
        Official figures show that twelve families on welfare have 10 or more kids
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10819669
        Then again, maybe they all eat at the same vegetarian restaurant.
        
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        March 20, 2017 8:44pm
      - GoVege
        
        Yes NW.
        I know social workers can’t mention the topic of conversation to their clients.
        I was told that when I rang CYPF about a solo mother of 11 (guess what ethnicity) pimping out her young daughter.
        Thank you for explaining how solo parents farm out their kids to the dad’s “care” so they can get more money for the kids.
        Also, people who have huge numbers of children tend to have a fair few taken off them from time to time (like Ms Kemp), so they might not “officially” have 10 or more.
        I did not make up the figure of 80%.
        I saw it in black and white in the Herald some years ago.
        If you mean Pacific Islanders have more kids, I think you’re wrong.
        But the big difference is, in Pacifica culture it is shameful not to have a job.
        Why don’t you stop covering up for your culture’s stupid sexist practices?
        Before they bankrupt the people supporting you?
        
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        March 20, 2017 9:13pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Doubling down on your stupidity?
        
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        March 20, 2017 9:14pm
      - GoVege
        
        Milkenmild: I have had plenty of Maori women tell me they have 11, 12, 14 or more kids.
        Maybe they were exaggerating.
        When I had my first baby, the woman in the next bed (having her 6th, at 30) told me her partner was from a family of 22 and he had just left his wife with whom he had 14.
        NW has kindly explained how large families tend to farm out the kids to get more money.
        (I mean how would you fit 10+ kids in a house anyway.)
        BTW, I give money to feed Maori frequently.
        Just yesterday a Maori teenager asked me for money because he “was hungry”.
        I gave him 3.50 and then he wanted more “for a feed for his little sister”.
        
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        March 20, 2017 9:22pm
      - GoVege
        
        Why don’t you tackle the issue not the person, MM?
        I may be stupid in your opinion, but I made sure my kids were well-educated and cared for so none of them are a burden on the state.
        In fact on their incomes of over 100g’s on average, they will be supporting a lot of people who never bothered to plan or educate their families.
        
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        March 20, 2017 9:29pm
      - mikenmild
        
        The ‘issue’ is your imagined statistics, so references to your lack of brainpower are quite in order.
        
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        March 20, 2017 9:34pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        So a statistic like 80% of Maori women are on single parent benefit a few years ago would be an easy story to google, would it not govege?
        
        Apparently it ain’t, because it didn’t exist.
        
        In my circle of Maori women friends, aquaintenaces, work mates, we all have children, about half of us are single parents and strangely enough, we all work.
        
        My grown sons, now raising children of their own, raised by myself from the age 11 on my own, have better paying jobs than I. And it has buggar all to do with being Maori, govege. It has everything to do with making sacrifices to ensure they had what they needed, often not what they wanted.
        
        You pay a disservice to your own culture by ignoring what you accuse Maori, of. As a female case manager I have faced too many men of all races, mainly PI and middle eastern and Indian, suggesting I was nothing but a “stupid woman”.
        
        Today I saw a bright young Samoan girl who faces the life of being her grand mothers carer. She wants to work, however, her mother straight out told me, her job will be to look after her grandmother. Because “that’s our way”. Then continue to abuse me in Samoan until a fellow case manager berated her in her own language.
        
        So stop kidding yourself that all Samoans are saints. Because they ain’t. And I’ve never pretended that Maori are victims of colonisation. People are victims of their own behaviour and will continue to be so until we stop making it profitable to do so.
        
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        March 20, 2017 9:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Go Vege
        I think you have seriously misunderstood the statistics on % Maori Women on DP benefits.
        
        I could believe 20% are on it and 80% aren’t.
        
        That fits in with the statistics for %Maori on Benefits
        (2013 stats)
        http://www.victoria.ac.nz/sacl/centres-and-institutes/cpf/publications/pdfs/2015/WP09_2014_Indicators-of-Inequality.pdf……p18.
        
        I’ve never noticed NW “covering up” for her culture.
        Anyway, she’s no more responsible for the mores of her culture than I am for the traditions of working class white trash females.
        
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        March 20, 2017 9:50pm
      - Kea
        
        GoVege you need to eat some steak. Lack of B-12 is damaging your brain and nervous system. I won’t bore readers with links to freely available evidence of my claim.
        
        I am sure you have reasons for your shitty view of Maori (and men) but your personal experiences are blinding you to the big picture. You need to get some better people in your life and lighten up.
        
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        March 20, 2017 10:00pm
      - GoVege
        
        Thank you, Kea, for a relatively gentle telling-off after the brutal onslaught from Milky and the ladies.
        I can’t find the article I read but when I do, I expect a full apology from those mentioned above.
        In any case, Maori apparently make up less than 20 % of the population, yet they claim 40% of the DPB’s handed out, so there must be an awful lot of them on it.
        It’s not easy being a vegequarian in this harsh little country (not a vegan) but I do my best to lessen the suffering of other animals.
        Just as I find it hard to refuse a person asking me for money, virtually all of whom appear to be Maori.
        I suppose I will just have to harden up….
        
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        March 20, 2017 11:03pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        Nothing brutal about those comments govege. Calling you out and holding you accountable for your imaginary statistics is all. Find your 80% article and I’ll happily donate $100 to your choice of charity. Hell, I’ll even throw in a heartfelt apology.
        
        Somehow I suspect my $100 and apology are safe.
        
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        March 21, 2017 6:02am
      - GoVege
        
        Well I can’t find it now NW.
        Maybe the Herald took it off because the figures were incorrect.
        But you don’t need to get nasty and abusive and accuse people of lying to get your point across.
        Maybe that’s part of the reason Maori have so many social problems.
        The way I have heard some Maori women talk to their little girls is horrendous.
        Why don’t you demand your fellow Maori women take some “accountability ” for the damage they are doing to their children?
        
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        March 21, 2017 11:07am
      - Northland Wahine
        
        Govege, you can’t find what was never there, and other than stating you pulled statistics out of your vegan arse, that’s about as nasty as I got.
        
        I suspect you too may suffer from same sexism that you accuse Maori men of which is why you find my comment so offensive. Seriously, hand in your man card.
        
        Btw, I could, I have no issue calling out any mother who talks to their kids like animals, regardless of race. I suggest you practice the same in your own cultural if you can handle the jandal.
        
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        March 21, 2017 1:29pm
- dime
  
  who is banging it?
  
  if there was no welfare, would this animal be breeding?
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:47am
  - holysheet
    
    Must be one of those musies sick of banging goats. From one animal to another.
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:51am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Read the article and find out.
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:16am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Some 60 plus yr old, I’d bet anything it’s a relative.
    
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    March 20, 2017 1:54pm
    - GoVege
      
      Probably the “dad” she never had…
      
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      March 20, 2017 2:43pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Totally outrageous. Four babies straight into care, and probably won’t be the last.
  Sterilization will be in the too hard basket although that is what she needs. This walking, pregnant disaster needs to be put in a ‘bitch box’ (where female dogs are protected from randy dogs) to keep the dogs away while she is in heat.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:03am
  - GoVege
    
    There’s only one way to stop this and that’s to pay women to be sterilised.
    At present we just pay them to breed.
    
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    March 20, 2017 2:46pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If the State rewards bad behavior by “putting everything right” i.e., taking away the child, providing income, setting the mother up as a “helpless beneficiary” who is supported by an army of tax-payer-funded enablers, then the State shall have more and more of such bad behavior.
  
  Reward people for their actions, and you will have more of it.
  
  Or maybe she enjoys the fame and attention?
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:16am
  - GoVege
    
    Maybe it’s the only attention she gets in her life.
    Wonder how many siblings she had to share her parent/’s with?
    Nia Glassie”s mum was one of 17 kids.
    Can just imagine her ringing up mum and asking for help with the kids…
    But seriously, this problem is a result of chauvinist cultures that brainwash their females it is their duty to produce as many children as possible.
    No matter if they’re useless at parenting.
    No matter if the sperm donor is not in the picture.
    They’re all gifts from God, folks.
    But God ain’t paying….the poor, put upon tax payer is.
    
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    March 20, 2017 2:08pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    The problem is that whenever somebody suggests increasing the number of interventions or programmes to help people like this, other people immediately start going on about personal responsibility and how they resent their taxes being spent on that type of thing.
    
    It doesn’t matter if it is a fence at the top of the cliff or the ambulance at the bottom, there are always people who object to paying for it.
    
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    March 20, 2017 2:43pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Anal sex was legalized in 1986.
  Shame some people don’t seem to have found out yet.
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:44am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    The catholic contraceptive, its been around for Eons.
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:46am
    - kowtow
      
      Small “c” catholic , meaning universal? From the Greek katholikos , universal or katholou meaning “on the whole” or could that be “in the hole”?
      
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      March 20, 2017 12:26pm
- GoVege
  
  Because “every child is a gift from God”, stigie.
  Tariana says so…so it must be true.
  
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  March 20, 2017 1:44pm
krazykiwi

I know this will have been aired, but I want to have a WTF moment about Nick Smith’s Abomination of a Bill.

What is very clear is that the Mana Whakahono a Rohe provisions in the Bill will be a disaster. They will pass control of New Zealand’s resource consenting process from democratically elected councils to private Maori groups, creating a whole new revenue gathering industry – in perpetuity. Is this really the sort of legacy that National wants to inflict on New Zealand?
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… Stephen Franks describes as entrenching “permanent racial privilege and corruption as a canker in local democracy”… [It] is Orwellian. The engagement is not ‘consultation’ with iwi. It is forced agreement.

The RMA cake-mix might be a bit dry, but adding racist rat-poison isn’t the right way to fix it.

Having been a faithful Nats supporter for decades, I’ll not be giving them either of my votes if this apartheid passes into law.
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March 20, 2017 8:44am
- oldpark
  
  All of this has come about,because Peter Dunne reneged on a promise to support RMA amendments. The Maori Party came aboard at a huge price. Shame Peter Dunne,once more you have let down your so called “partner”.Now the nation has to pay a ransom to the Maori,for even a very basic amendment,on a case by case request.
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:51am
  - Ross12
    
    If this is what it takes to get the RMA review through, why not just put it off until after the elections and try renegotiating with the new partners in the whatever coalition evolves? (assuming National gets in again)
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:06am
  - GoVege
    
    It’s all Labour’s fault.
    They were the ones who stopped poor Maori getting legal title to the beaches and foreshore.
    
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    March 20, 2017 2:11pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Having been a faithful Nats supporter for decades, I’ll not be giving them either of my votes if this apartheid passes into law.”
  
  One issue. You have joined the list of those who say this about their vote.
  One presumes that you would be totally happy with a Liabore/Green clusterfuck ruining our country.
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:58am
  - holysheet
    
    That might be the case but it doesn’t give the nats the arrogance to do it, when they know it will go down with their supporters like a cup of cold sick.
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:05am
  - krazykiwi
    
    No, its not one issue. It’s the straw that breaks the camels back. I simply can’t tolerate any more of this racial privilege.
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:06am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      You sound like a guy who would jump in front of a speeding truck to avoid a dog turd on the footpath.
      
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      March 20, 2017 9:44am
  - jcuk
    
    “‘Tween the Devil and the deep blue sea”
    Nick or LabGreenNZF etc.
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:28am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Giving any party the monopoly power to act as gatekeepers (ticket collectors) in a process will invite corruption.
  What safeguards are in place to prevent the flow of “koha”?
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:19am
  - kowtow
    
    No upper house,
    A constitution being undermined by judicial activism,
    Judges wed to the “principles,”
    No major party standing for true legal equality, so the electorate don’t control the outcomes…..
    
    Therefor , no safeguards and a political class out of control.
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:34am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      When I toured Parliament in Wellington, the guide showed me the old Upper House room. The facility was all there, perfectly preserved since it was last used in 1950.
      Perhaps it should be re-fitted and brought back into service to provide oversight for this kind of nonsense.
      
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      March 20, 2017 9:56am
      - mikenmild
        
        It is still used. The Legislative Council Chamber hosts the Queen’s formal openings of Parliament and many functions and entertainments. If probably provides more use than the Legislative Council itself ever did.
        
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        March 20, 2017 10:18am
      - SGA
        
        It’s not obvious to me why an Upper House would necessarily make any difference? In fact, is there any guarantee it couldn’t be more liberal than a Lower House?
        
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        March 20, 2017 10:20am
- Liberty
  
  “tolerate any more of this racial privilege”
  You are being over dramatic.
  Of course the deal with Maori is not ideal.
  A small price to pay to get the RMA changed.
  So who are you going to vote for?
  NZF They are a pack of racist rednecks
  Dun That’s dumb after all he is the reason why National had to do a deal with the Maori party.
  Toxic Greens or Imploding labour.
  It is waste of time getting your knickers in a knot over a single issue.
  If it is not a single issue. List them?
  Move on.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:35am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Of course the deal with Maori is ~~not ideal~~ apartheid.
    ~~A small~~An unacceptable price to pay to get the RMA changed.
    
    Fixed it for you. Who will I vote for? Dunno. The options aren’t great are they?
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:48am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Act?
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:48am
    - Liberty
      
      Voting ACT is a better choice than not voting.
      By not voting. The coalition of losers could win by default.
      
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      March 20, 2017 11:45am
      - howitis
        
        ACT 2017 is not ACT 1996 by any means or measure.
        1996 had a very strong line up that 2017 could not even begin to dream about.
        Just as Labour 2017 is not Labor 1935.
        
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        March 20, 2017 4:01pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Probably
      
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      March 20, 2017 2:46pm
  - jcuk
    
    I doubt if many will change away from National over this, too stupid, but after all we have waited long for the new RMA we can wait a bit longer for common sense and democracy to surface.
    
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    March 22, 2017 9:42am
Maggy Wassilieff

Radicalised Moslem or just too much drink and cannabis?
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39320530
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March 20, 2017 8:44am
- cmm
  
  Must have been the booze or the dope because there’s absolutely no way a Muslim would have done this on his own.
  
  He must have been drugged against his will. That’s the only possible way this makes any sense.
  
  C’monWest, can’t we just give these people moral agency? They choose to be Muslims. They choose to become radicalised. If they got a bit pissed or stoned before that they chose that too.
  
  People need to be held responisble for the choices they make.
  
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  March 20, 2017 12:06pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Cheers to Chuck Berry for the many great songs and the cool guitar.
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March 20, 2017 8:44am
- dime
  
  i dont really know his music, but he inspired pretty much every artist i listen to
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:48am
  - MT_Tinman
    
    He wrote an amazing number of well-known songs.
    
    The first (from memory) Beatles album was almost all Chuck Berry songs.
    
    A truly great artist who will be remembered for a very long time.
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:55am
    - mikenmild
      
      The Beatles’ first Album, Please Please Me, was all Lennon-McCartney songs. Chuck Berry was a big influence on them, and they recorded a number of covers on later albums.
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:22am
      - MCos
        
        One doesn’t like to get into an argument on Kiwiblog, but only 8 of the 14 tracks on Please Please Me were Beatle originals. Burt Bacarach of all people had a hand in one of the songs, as did Carole King.
        Subsequently I can think of only one Chuck Berry song they recorded, Roll Over Beethoven, on the next LP.
        
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        March 20, 2017 11:18am
  - Fletch
    
    Here’s that Back To The Future tribute… 🙂
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykNKCg64H7g
    
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    March 20, 2017 12:25pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Chuck Berry, one of the greats. Talent oozed out of him. A sad loss.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:13am
wiseowl

It is patently clear who is running the country after listening to the pathetic response over water issues on 3 this morning.
Mr English needs to tell the iwi leaders forum that no-one owns water, full stop.
English needs to tell the iwi leaders that they are not going to dictate policy to the people of this country and that they will no longer get special treatment through secret meetings in the beehive.
And when the FTA is up for discussion next week tell the chinese our houses are not for sale .
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March 20, 2017 8:44am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Nobody is forcing you to sell your house to a Chinese buyer.
  
  What business is it of yours if I do?
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:50am
  - waikatogirl
    
    We sold our place to chinese. There money was as good as any. The other interested in buying were Indian, is that better for you.
    
    If there is an offer on the table, not many are going to turn down the opportunity to close the deal. We wanted to move on with our life.
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:20am
    - Happychappy
      
      The way this is going we will end up with some one telling us when we can have a shit. When you own some thing what gives anyone the right to tell you who and what you can sell it to. You buy it as a asset so you don’t pay rent and the right to reap the rewards of your alterations and upgrading of the home.
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:18am
    - wiseowl
      
      With respect the point is that the free trade agreement that Labour signed ,thus putting our housing market up for grabs, should never have included this provision.
      This is more about whether one wants globalisation or whether one wants borders and thus, a country.
      The government should be acting in the interests of its own people .
      Opening our housing market up to a communist country ,that has a billion people,that operates under a totally different structure ,that has millions of millionaires , is not acting in the interests of our people.The distortions caused are massive,there is the question of money laundering and corruption.
      So no, I do not want to tell people who they can sell to or that their money is no good.It is a bigger issue than that but if globalisation is what kiwis want then watch out for the consequences.
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:30am
      - Happychappy
        
        So communism is the answer.
        
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        March 20, 2017 11:16am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Only to a fucking stupid question.
        
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        March 20, 2017 12:02pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    New Zealanders have a very low level of nationalism, so they find it easy to sell out to “outsiders.” One of the hallmarks of a strong sense of nationalism is that you know what a New Zealander is/does/eats/acts/associates with.
    You are reluctant to “act in an un-NZ way” or otherwise act to change the ethnic structure of your society.
    
    (Of course, one can make a good argument to criticize the attitude of assuming that because a person is of “X” ethnicity, that they will have values “Y and Z” when it comes to, say, human rights, corruption, ecological conservation, etc.) The question remains, do you want to change the nature of your society by allowing in a large number of people who sincerely believe that certain behaviors that you abhor are acceptable?
    Ought society be more flexible? Do you have the right to protect your values, or should you be prepared to compromise?
    
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    March 20, 2017 11:07am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Those are reasonable questions, but they pertain to immigration policy, not to whether individual New Zealanders should be allowed to sell their property to foreigners.
      
      Land that is sold to foreigners, and the activity that takes place on that land, is still subject to New Zealand law; and so it is not obvious that New Zealand values are put under threat when a foreigner buys land in New Zealand, in the same way as you might argue they are when foreigners move to New Zealand and become part of New Zealand’s population.
      
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      March 20, 2017 2:33pm
- Flash
  
  MY house has gutters. The rain falls and runs into MY tanks. It’s MY water.
  The stuff that turns my paddocks into mud in winter? Well anyone who wants to collect it can have it. They’d be doing me a favour.
  
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  March 20, 2017 1:15pm
holysheet

Let the squealing continue from the left as Trump delivers up yet another election promise.

Programs that many low- and middle-income students rely on to pay for college are targets for cuts or complete elimination in President Trump’s first budget proposal, released Thursday.

The proposal is one of the first indications of the way the administration plans to approach higher education, college affordability and student debt. Though political wrangling means it’s unlikely the budget will pass in its current form, higher education leaders and the typically left-leaning college access community are warning that the budget signals the Trump administration will make it more difficult for students to afford college and minimise debt.

For it’s part, the White House argues in the budget that its proposals are aimed at cutting programs that aren’t well-targeted toward students who need financial help the most, while safeguarding some of the major initiatives that help low-income students attend college, like the Pell Grant.

Betsy Devos, the Secretary of Education, praised the proposed budget in a statement Thursday saying that it “continues support for the nation’s most vulnerable populations” while “streamlining and simplifying funding for college and continuing to help make college education more affordable.”

The proposed budget takes steps toward curtailing the role of federal funding in higher education. Some research indicates that such funding makes college more expensive, a theory which first gained prominence thanks to support from William Bennett, a secretary of education under Ronald Reagan.
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March 20, 2017 8:47am
- Fletch
  
  Stefan Molyneux urges (that unless you absolutely need the qualification for the job you want) then don’t go to college.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfYot1IsqCM
  
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  March 20, 2017 12:30pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Many companies when hiring use absence of qualifications as a simple filtering method to eliminate applicants. It may end up hindering your ability to progress in many fields and industries.
    
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    March 20, 2017 6:21pm
    - Kea
      
      UrbanNeocolonialist, and if everyone has a qualification ?
      
      That is the point being made.
      
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      March 20, 2017 6:23pm
krazykiwi

Honesty is the best policy

Footballer accidentally thanks his wife and girlfriend in incredible man of the match speech

😀
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March 20, 2017 8:57am
- jcuk
  
  Reminds me of my Grandfather’s favourite toast …
  “To wives and sweethearts, may they never meet.”
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:36am
  - kowtow
    
    Reminds me of how traditions are being murdered by the elites, all in the name of “equality”
    
    “Naval officers will no longer raise their glasses to “Our wives and sweethearts” – typically met with the unofficial reply “May they never meet”.
    Instead, they will say “Our families”, following an instruction by the Second Sea Lord Vice-Admiral David Steel.”
    
    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-23013395
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:43am
    - G152
      
      When the snowflakes start pissing with Pussers its getting bad
      
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      March 20, 2017 11:26am
    - jcuk
      
      My grandfather died of alcohol complications in WW1 so wasn’t around to be affected by that pronouncement 🙂
      
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      March 22, 2017 9:56am
kowtow

Someone’s telling porkies.
The gummint tells us refugees are carefully screened before being given the privelige of coming here, the left tells us diversity and multiculturalism enriches us and these people say if they don’t get more money someone will die……

“A specialist women’s refuge in Wellington says if it continues to be denied funding by the Government, migrant and refugee lives could be at risk.”

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/specialist-womens-shelter-urgently-seeking-funding-wellington-branch
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March 20, 2017 8:58am
- Flash
  
  It occurs to me that the Shakti refuge is the inevitable outcome of admitting families from a society where women are an inconsequential item in the marriage. When they arrive in a country where women are enabled (such as we enjoy here in NZ) some will eventually have the courage to seek freedom for themselves. I applaud their bravery, and I would like to see the men that they escaped from returned to their home countries.
  
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  March 20, 2017 1:27pm
Manolo

Muslim lone wolves galore:
http://www.france24.com/en/20170318-paris-prosecutor-says-treating-orly-airport-attack-terrorism?ns_campaign=reseaux_sociaux&ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_linkname=editorial&aef_campaign_ref=partage_user&aef_campaign_date=2017-03-18

Troops at Paris’ Orly airport on Saturday shot dead a man who tried to grab a female soldier’s weapon saying he was ready to die for Allah, triggering a major security alert that caused travel chaos.
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March 20, 2017 9:08am
- Inandout
  
  These terrorist acts by extra-mad Muslims can only sway voters toward Le Pen type parties.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:15am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I think you will find he had mental health issues. It was not really his fault.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:30am
  - Flash
    
    Same difference.
    
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    March 20, 2017 1:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  His father said his son was not a terrorist.. but someone who never prayed, instead drank and took drugs.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:31am
  - simpleton1
    
    So he was living like an apostate. Robbery, Drugs , Drinking,
    Such a shame and dishonor for the father and family.
    
    Redemption for him and saviour to all 0f his family to be found in the blood.
    His blood shared in the duty of jihad to kill ‘unbelievers’ that cause mischief to islam.
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:45am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      He was really a good boy, turning his life around, blah blah blah, same old, same old shit excuses
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:20am
- Komata
  
  Manolo
  
  And the reaction from the MSM? Only crickets…
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:31am
Happychappy

A good day for Man U a win and Man City v Liverpool ending in a draw leaving us five point off forth with two games in hand. Champions League achievable now.
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March 20, 2017 9:12am
Inandout

Oh doom, doom cries the Washington Post. If Trump slashes the UN funding some children in Africa may starve. The WP doesn’t seem to run stories on the wanton waste at the UN, and how UN officials take their own chefs on foreign trips. It is an organisation that is 25% funded by the US, and those countries who are vehemently anti US contribute around 1%. The UN is sorely in need of a clean out.
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March 20, 2017 9:12am
- krazykiwi
  
  I guess the WP ‘forgot’ to note that UN Peacekeepers have been raping women and children for years.
  
  One night last August as the Central African Republic was gripped by a conflict between Christian and Muslim groups, United Nations peacekeeping troops descended on an enclave in search of a suspect. One of the peacekeepers is accused of taking a 12-year-old girl behind a truck and raping her.
  
  “When I cried, he slapped me hard and put his hand over my mouth,” the girl told Amnesty International.
  
  It was hardly the only act of brutality by peacekeepers in the world’s poorest nations. There were 99 allegations of sexual abuse against UN staff last year, a 25 percent increase over 2014, affecting peacekeeping operations in countries including the Democratic Republic of Congo, Haiti, Ivory Coast, Libya, Mali and Sudan.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:33am
  - mikenmild
    
    We should definitely stop funding for any UN peacekeeping missions then.
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:25am
    - Komata
      
      MM
      
      Why not? NZ’s only involved through Komrade Klark and her buying her way into the UN.
      
      ‘Peacekeeping’ t costs this country in both men and materials and NZ gains absolutely nothing as a result.
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:35am
      - SGA
        
        NZ’s only involved through Komrade Klark and her buying her way into the UN.
        
        Really? I thought NZ had provided the UN with peacekeeping troops for decades. Not so?
        
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        March 20, 2017 11:11am
      - mikenmild
        
        Since 1952 in Kasmir, I believe. Probably a set-up by communist infiltrators paving the way for Helen Clark…
        
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        March 20, 2017 12:50pm
Souvlaki

The Nats are out to lunch…opinion of Professional Classes in GZ Auckland bars. They are haemorrhaing support like a ruptured aorta to Peters !! Surely their much lauded “focus “groups are revealing this??
Water,letting vast tracts of land being sold ,stymieing public access to DOC land ( egHawea Conservation Park),RMA, Minister of health refusing to tie immunisation to state given benefits at Kindergarten,calling river a person etc etc..there’s gonna be a change of Govt guys ! Perhaps there NEEDS to be with all this crapola coming from Nats !
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March 20, 2017 9:15am
- waikatogirl
  
  3rd termitis is setting in. Pissing off your voting block is never a good election strategy!
  Reset and get your shit together. ?
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:28am
- waikatogirl
  
  Nick Smith needs to be kept out the back away from cameras in the run up to the election. Nick is coming across as angry and intolerant. While we understand he has a hard job, and probably does deal with a lot of stupid people, it is never a good idea to show his total disdain for other points of view.
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:26am
  - sooty
    
    Due for the DCM?
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:07pm
- howitis
  
  Arise Sir Winston
  Nick Smith is a cancer in the country and needs to be excised forthwith.
  Does Dr. Coleman have a scalpel handy?
  For No. 15 cabinet ranking Smith sure does a lot of damage.. and always has.
  
  Woodhouse can piss off as well.
  Chop Croaky Bridges as well. His future is not that bright.
  Blinglish still talks like a 1950’s 8 year old communicating to his neighbour pal via a tin can attached by string in a way the ‘olds’ don’t hear. Mumble splutter. Worse even than Davey Shearer.
  
  Anne Tolley grew into a good cabinet minister as did Parata.
  Sadly they are the minority.
  Oh and get rid of sleazy Finlayson the Q.C. Santa Bro’ with OUR money.
  
  Vote Winston First.
  I’m not saying he is great but better than the rest of the shite pile the Gnats offer.
  Gnats report card six months on Thursday to a general election. 3/10.
  PS.
  I voted for the bastards the last 3 elections but last time holding my nose to keep Krim/Hone/Grey lady out. Not this time. An appalling 2.5 years implementing Labour policy after losing Northland in an arrogant cock up.
  …Disgusted of Grammar Zone
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:27am
  - Happychappy
    
    Well as much as I don’t want a Labour what ever Government I think that there is a few on here deserve one, so if it happens so be it but don’t fucken moan if it bits you on the arse.
    
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    March 20, 2017 11:34am
  - holysheet
    
    You might like winstonfirst, but who else will he get into the house.? Who after the SAS corporal, have you ever heard of?
    
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    March 20, 2017 11:39am
    - howitis
      
      Fair Call HS.
      
      I do agree. NZ First does not have a strong line up.
      But heck, from my comment above in this thread Nats have some very poor performers – that continue to deliver grief to the majority of this countries citizens, in favour of a small minority. Santa Finlayson Q. C. for particular mention.
      aa..aand Labour, Greens etc don’t bear thinking about.
      This is in part why I have stated on KB before that I think Parliament should be curtailed to 80 MPs as approx 60 electorate and 20 list or maybe 55/25.
      
      We see with the retirements in recent times – when you look at retiring MP’s achievements- that many MPs have been there for years and done little or nothing.
      In retrospect that may be a blessing e.g. the country would be better off if Nick Smith did nothing at all instead of 90% nothing.
      
      To her credit Barbara Stewart of NZF introduced the members bill to reduce the number of MPs from 120 to 100 in 2006 in line with the country’s referendum in 1999 where 4 of 5 voters wanted this reduction. Instead we get more than 120 MPs with party hopping and hangnails. This Bill did not survive the second reading.
      I wonder why these turkeys voted this way!
      Following her husband’s recent death Ms Stewart will be leaving Parliament – of her own will.
      
      In summary, the talent pool across the board is low and reducing the number of MPs should, in theory, raise the standard with fewer spots available.
      
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      March 20, 2017 3:28pm
tvb

Entitlement programmes go disproportionately to blacks in America and whites who see themselves paying for them do not mind blacks living in third world poverty. They can live with that. Trump is playing right into their hands. At the heart of it is racism.
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March 20, 2017 9:22am
- Tirebiter
  
  I think you’ll find, it you actually look at the numbers, that by far the majority of ‘entitlement program’ outlays go to white people. There’s a lot of poor white people in the US, far more than poor black people. But that’s propaganda for you. Since Reagan, they’ve pushed that lie to make white people angry enough to vote against their own interests. And since most voters don’t have a clue what their government is really doing, and frankly, aren’t interested, it works.
  
  The largest ‘entitlement programs’ they talk about, Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare, are maintained from withholding money on taxes applied to employment.
  The largest ‘entitlement programs’ they don’t talk about include funneling tax dollars to member corporations of the Military Industrial Complex and the financial types on Wall Street who have their profits guaranteed by the government when the market would put them out of business. Goldman Sachs and Citibank come to mind.
  ‘Obamacare’ did the same thing for healthcare insurance companies – that is, guaranteed them a profit whether they actually earned it or not; which is why it was such a bad piece of legislation.
  
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  March 21, 2017 5:57am
EAD

This short video is absolutely brilliant – we are constantly told we “won” the war, but if those brave men knew what was to become of the West, I suspect most would have stayed at home:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otD52qwC9xw

It’s similar to this article I recall reading when I was in the UK as WWII veterans look at “modern” Britain and wondered why they risked it all

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1229643/This-isnt-Britain-fought-say-unknown-warriors-WWII.html#ixzz4bmUUlQpn

Immigration tops the list of complaints.

‘People come here, get everything they ask, for free, laughing at our expense,’ was a typical observation.

‘We old people struggle on pensions, not knowing how to make ends meet. If I had my time again, would we fight as before? Need you ask?’

Many writers are bewildered and overwhelmed by a multicultural Britain that, they say bitterly, they were never consulted about nor feel comfortable with.

‘Our country has been given away to foreigners while we, the generation who fought for freedom, are having to sell our homes for care and are being refused medical services because incomers come first.’

Her words may be offensive to many – and rightly so – but Sarah Robinson defiantly states: ‘We are affronted by the appearance of Muslim and Sikh costumes on our streets.’
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March 20, 2017 9:23am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It doesn’t take long for folks to forget the Muslim and Sikh soldiers that fought for Old Blighty
  https://www.juancole.com/2014/06/remembering-muslim-fought.html
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:36am
  - EAD
    
    @ Maggy,
    
    When one scratches the surface of WWII history beyond the Hollywood approved narrative, many interesting things start to pop up.
    
    I mean, if you read only the accounts of the Victors, they will pretty much never mention that 150,000 Jewish Soldiers, including decorated veterans and high-ranking officers, even generals and admirals serving in the German Armed Forces.
    
    https://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Jewish-Soldiers-Descent-Military/dp/0700613587
    
    The largest foreign contingent of the 100+ nationalities that joined the Wehrmacht were the Russians whose country, we are told by the Victors, were invaded due to German policy of “Lebensraum” (rather than all of these individuals hatred and fear of Bolshevism and their fear of subjecting the nations of Europe through a Red Terror)
    
    Sidetracking slightly, a really interesting area worth exploring are the SS soldiers such as Max Taubner being jailed by an SS Court for ill-treating Jewish prisoners in the Auschwitz work camp.
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:06am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @EAD
      
      I think my perspective of war differs markedly from anything that could come out of Hollywood.
      
      Having family members who were victors, prisoners, losers and bystanders during WW2 gives me a slightly different view on matters.
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:22am
      - EAD
        
        Having family members who were victors, prisoners, losers and bystanders during WW2 gives me a slightly different view on matters.
        
        We should compare notes some time – reading their diaries was an eye-opener for me just on how well they were treated. There was deep fundamental understanding amongst both prisoners and captors that they were Brothers, Sons, Fathers and that no matter that they were “opponents” both just wanted to see the war out alive.
        
        Fortunately for me none were captured by the Japanese who were absolutely ruthless with their POW’s nor were any German relations interned at the notorious Rhine Meadows under Eisenhower.
        
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        March 20, 2017 10:30am
      - jcuk
        
        Doing my ‘National Service’ in ’48-’50. the Corporal with whom I worked disabused me of the ‘Brits Good/Germans bad’ concept. War is hell and both sides did wrong out of nature or necessity at times he told me based on his WWII service.
        
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        March 22, 2017 10:17am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, as usual you provided unsurprisingly a highly distorted account of” Mischling” Jews ( those of mixed blood) and their racial classification . Certainly even with Nazi ranks it was somewhat controversial leading to anomalies like the allegations against Reinhard Heydrich and his Jewish ancestory.
      
      The facts are that many citizens did escape racial reclassification and Mischling became more loosely defined as the war went against Hitler and manpower resources both within the armed services and industry became critical .Thus it comes as no surprise that there were those of mixed blood who escaped the Nuremerg Laws and survived the Holocaust .However those of full or fuller Jewish blood were not so fortunate whether on Hollywood’s day say or not.
      
      Even your author Bryan Mark Rigg discovered in 1992 that he had Jewish ancestry .Does that taint his researches that you seem so eager distort and misrepresent ?,
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bryan_Mark_Rigg
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:49am
- EAD
  
  Some of the top rated comments from the Youtube video:
  
  “Poor bastards. We can’t let their sacrifices be in vain. I don’t know if we can reverse our nihilistic society and bring back a society where you’re not just a tax producing cow in a battery farm. God help us.”
  
  “The sad thing isn’t just because this is true, it’s because it gets much worse than what they list.”
  
  “On the money. I remember seeing an interview with an old war vet in the UK who basically said that if he knew back then what things were going to turn out like he would have turned back at the port.”
  
  “It was one of the hardest pills to take knowing that we fought the wrong side, we sided with communism, we sided against the preservation of our people and let ourselves be subverted without question”
  
  “At first when I watched this I was angry. Angry that Murdoch Murdoch had mocked our grandfather’s sacrifice. But now I realise that the entire point of this satire is that our fathers were tricked into a war they didn’t need to fight. All I can feel now is pity for the worthless sacrifice.”
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:38am
  - mikenmild
    
    Do many of them agree with you that it would have been better had Hitler won the war?
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:28am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      milkenmild,
      
      Can you imagine the horrors if Generalplan Ost had been put into practice?
      
      Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:54am
      - mikenmild
        
        Not really, but EAD could probably tell us how wonderful it would have been.
        
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        March 20, 2017 12:53pm
      - EAD
        
        @ Odakyu,
        
        there never was such a “plan”.
        
        That piece of fiction was basically a carbon copy of what the Jews did to the Russians under Bolshevism when they exterminated entire sections of the Russian populace.
        
        Here is good old ~~Lev Davidovich Bronshtein~~ Leon Trotsky on the Jewish solution to the Russian problem:
        
        ‘We must turn Russia into a desert populated by white negroes upon whom we shall impose a tyranny such as the most terrible Eastern despots never dreamt of.
        
        Funny isn’t it – we are supposed to believe their was an “Ost plan” and a “Final solution” but the meticulously organised Germans never left any such records or documents of any such thing.
        
        Yet we have a final solution to the European problem going by the name of mulitculturalism that will reduces all European populations to hated minorities in their own countries and the MSM tells us we must celebrate it!
        
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        March 20, 2017 8:08pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Generalplan Ost is very well documented. A true Nazi would be proud to own up to that.
        
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        March 20, 2017 8:19pm
      - EAD
        
        #fakehistory
        
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        March 20, 2017 8:23pm
    - jcuk
      
      If the King had not abdicated we might have been friends with Germany … after all Britain declared war on Germany in 9/39.
      
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      March 22, 2017 10:23am
Albert_Ross

Mr and Mrs Albert attended a music gig at the weekend (not Justin Bieber!).

Everybody else who was there must also have gone to the trouble of buying the tickets, organising some way of getting to the venue, possibly including finding somewhere to park (at no small expense), queueing up to get in etc.

Question. Why would you do that – and then completely ignore the music, instead chatting loudly to your friends the entire evening about nothing in particular?

What do such people get out of completely wasting their own money (if all you want is an evening chatting to your friends, there are plenty of easier and cheaper ways of doing that), spoiling other people’s enjoyment, and blatant rudeness to the musicians?
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March 20, 2017 9:25am
- Inandout
  
  It was reported that Bieber was kind of wooden throughout his performances, like he really would have preferred to be somewhere else. I guess any artist who hadn’t spent years struggling to get to the top, would eventually get bored.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:34am
  - Flash
    
    It’s all about the money. But my 12yo grand daughter thought he was lovely.
    She’ll grow up –
    
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    March 20, 2017 1:36pm
stephieboy

Key congressmen say they have no evidence that Obama wiretapped Trump Tower

“ Top members of the House Intelligence Committee said Wednesday they have seen no evidence to support President Donald Trump’s claim that Trump Tower was wiretapped ahead of the 2016 election.

“We don’t have any evidence. … I don’t think there was an actual tap of Trump Tower,” the chairman, Republican Rep. Devin Nunes of California, told reporters.

Ranking member Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., also said he had not seen information to support that accusation against former President Barack Obama, which Trump made without citing evidence. Schiff said lawmakers will ask FBI Director James Comey about the issue during a public hearing Monday on the investigation into Russian influence on the U.S. election……”

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/15/house-intelligence-chair-i-dont-think-there-was-an-actual-tap-of-trump-tower.html

Ok Mr President time to move on as we await with glee impeachment proceedings to begin for your baseless libellous accusation.
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March 20, 2017 9:29am
- Manolo
  
  Glee is all you are left with, stephieboy?
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, I feel sad for you and your belief in your master’s superhuman powers .
    
    Here’s some more for you and your master’s disciples to mull over ,
    
    I “t looks like a turd, smells like a turd… it’s a turd.”
    
    This is about the so called ” leaked ” 2005 Tax return that now shows ,with very good reason,that it was deliberate ploy by your master ,
    
    https://jesterscourt.cc/2017/03/14/trumps-leaked-2005-tax-fo
    rm-1040-need-know/
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:44am
    - Manolo
      
      Master????
      
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      March 20, 2017 9:47am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        You can come off the plantation now, Manolo.
        
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        March 20, 2017 10:26am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      “if it looks like a turd……”
      
      You can get your nose out of your arse now stephie.
      
      Navel gazing is not the preferred way of doing it from the inside. 🙂
      
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      March 20, 2017 5:55pm
- Inandout
  
  Dreamer, nothing but a dreamer is our stephie.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:37am
- Nostradamus
  
  Stephieboy:
  
  Ok Mr President time to move on as we await with glee impeachment proceedings to begin for your baseless libellous accusation.
  
  Oh goodness – it sounds as if you actually believe you have a direct line to President Trump. You must be hearing voices again?
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:39am
  - mikenmild
    
    So far as I know, stephieboy does not have a show on Fox News where he mumbles conspiracy theories so, no, I don’t think he has a direct line to Trump.
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:37am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Mikenmild:
      
      … stephieboy does not have a show on Fox News where he mumbles conspiracy theories …
      
      Ah I see – so we’re guests on ~~Kiwiblog~~ Stephieblog?
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:55am
- VicParking
  
  I cant help noticing that all the rubutals from the congress and officals are very specific in what they say. “Obama never”, “Trump Tower wasn’t”, “The Republican” etc.
  Was this because the wiretaps where approved say to monitor a Russian bank, the servers where not in Trump tower, Obama was not sitting in the Oval office with headphones on.
  If you are bugging a server and it just by coincidence is being used by the Republicans and you accidentially record their conversations and emails!!!.
  
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  March 20, 2017 11:18am
- Fletch
  
  So people probably connected to the people accused of spying on Trump say that they see no evidence of it happening. Doesn’t inspire one with confidence.
  
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  March 20, 2017 1:59pm
Happychappy

So Labour and the Greens are to strip the Defence Force of the 20 Billion dollars announced in last year budget if they become the Government after the next Election. Little and Shaw believe the money should be used for more needy policy.Well it is obvious without being told that this money will go to fund the promises that they have made and will fix the lefts need to not break their new policy and promise not to raise taxes.
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March 20, 2017 9:32am
- Komata
  
  Happychappy
  
  Re: ‘So Labour and the Greens are to strip the Defence Force of the 20 Billion dollars announced in last year budget if they become the Government after the next Election’.
  
  What took them so long??? These cuts will be called ‘cost cutting’ and complete the total decapitation of the NZ Military. Klark loathed the RNZAF as we know (although she would never be pinned-down to exactly why) , and took her revenge by deliberately destroying that arm’s combat capability. The Army and Navy have since been treated the same way, albeit more slowly. The ‘reds’ have the armed forces with a passion and will do anything to remove them.
  
  Perhaps ‘boat people’ are on the way, or the left are anticipating an islamic ‘insurrection’ in NZ? No military means that nothing could be done if things went wrong..
  
  As a long-term strategy it would seem to have a lot going for it…
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:46am
trout

Good program on Sky News out of Oz; ‘Outsiders’. Mark Latham and a couple of side kicks rubbishing the biased content of local media. Of particular interest (and amusement) was the segment on the hounding of Coopers Beer by LGBT militants for having the audacity to sponsor a debate ( run by the bible society) on gay marriage. Also run was a spirited defence of Bill Leak (late lamented cartoonist) for his fearless exposure of the political correct excuses for anti social behaviour that condemn aboriginal children to a life of misery.
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March 20, 2017 9:34am
- kowtow
  
  All the great and good went to Leak’s funeral.
  
  None of them did anything when they could have over 18 C , including Abbott.
  
  Hypocrites of the permanent political class who treat the rest of us like the Plebs we are.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:36am
- Manolo
  
  Channel 85, live on Sundays at 10am, replayed at 8pm. Worth watching.
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:38am
Stars And Stripes

What is wrong with all those weak pathetic women who can’t even lift anywhere near the weight a transgender can?
Grow a cock, maybe that might help.
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March 20, 2017 9:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Yep, she can lift 20kg more than gals 10-20 years younger than herself.
  
  But she’s way behind guys her own weight… they were lifting 60-100kg more than her total.
  https://www.awf.com.au/Portals/0/news/2017/2017%20Australian%20International%20-%20Australian%20Open.pdf?ver=2017-03-20-001039-810
  
  All that estrogen sure buggers things up.
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:06am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Maybe that was part of the reason he decided to have a metamorphosis in the first place.
    By guys standards he was a second rate lifter with no winning prospects so what better way to taste glory than wake up one morning and feel like a girl.
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:11am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I wake up most mornings feeling like a girl, and on occasion, I get to feel the one next to me; isn’t that how it goes?
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:29am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    It will kill womens’ sport if this continues. Why would any woman commit years of their life and all the sacrifices that entails when they will be beaten by most m=>f transexuals who decide to train in any sport.
    
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    March 20, 2017 11:08am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Totally agree but I do support women participating in mens swimming events as long as they are topless.
      
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      March 20, 2017 11:15am
  - G152
    
    It’s a bloke.
    Competing against real women
    More BS than weight lifting..
    
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    March 20, 2017 11:32am
- howitis
  
  I looked at it on the news this morning.
  He looks like the fat balding middle age guy that he is.
  ‘Mother’ Hubbard he sure ain’t. Never will be.
  
  It is a little different for Bruce ‘cock in a frock’ Jenner. He won Gold in the 1976 Olympic men’s decathlon. There is not a women’s decathlon(regarded then as too strenuous for women ..because there is a difference). At least Bruce was at the top of his game. ‘A’ grade in his peer group 40 years ago.
  Brucey never chopped off his meat and two vege so I am not sure how HE won ‘woman of the year’
  Perhaps they need a new category for ‘Cock in a Frock of the Year’.
  
  Hubbard was never an A grade male in his peer group. This is a travesty for real women with natural all girl bits who trained hard and were gazumped by this stupidity.
  
  Sadly this is backed by the media Marxists pushing the agenda to defuse and confuse society.
  Bruce Jenner is no woman and Hubbard is no winner. IMO.
  Maria Sharapova is a real woman and back competing next month. Yay.
  
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  March 20, 2017 11:03am
  - gump
    
    It’s hard to believe that you actually care about the integrity of sport when you support a known drug cheat.
    
    Sharapova was banned for cheating.
    
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    March 20, 2017 5:34pm
    - howitis
      
      Gumpy
      I do care about the integrity of sport.
      
      Venus Williams and Serena Williams take many drugs but get a TUE.
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2016/09/13/us-superstars-serena-and-venus-williams-and-simone-biles-given-d/
      
      Sharapova took meldonium and had done so legally for 10 years.
      She called a press conference to front-foot the issue and accepted full responsibility. I applaud that. She has a team around her but as a leader took the responsibility. It would make little sense to deliberately use a banned substance given the vast majority of her income is based on her being a 6’2″ highly marketable blonde sportswoman. More than 90% of income is from sponsorship. On-court results at this stage of her career don’t make a huge amount of difference to income.
      
      Compare and contrast to the dirty Texan drug cheat Lance Armstrong who spent years in denial.
      
      Then in April 2016 WADA made this announcement.
      ….Athletes who tested positive for meldonium before March 1 could have bans overturned less than four months before the Rio de Janeiro Olympics after Wada said it was unable to establish how quickly the drug, outlawed since January 1, cleared the human body…..
      
      Nonetheless Sharapova was held out for another year and the original ploy was to get her out of the Olympics , ‘by whatever means necessary’.
      WADA is as crooked as anyone they investigate not that they will look at the British cycling team, Norwegian ski team et al.
      
      Recent results in women’s Olympic tennis history:
      2008: Gold, Silver, and Bronze to Russia
      2012 Gold -S Williams USA; Silver -M Sharapova Russia Bronze -Azarenka – Belarus;
      To clear out these pesky Russians this ban was put in place.
      Who won Gold in 2016? Monica Puig from Puerto Rico …a USA territory.
      It worked.
      
      The USA has a significant proportion of drug cheaters in sport.
      A few names of USA cheats
      Justin Gatlin – still able to compete despite multiple capture on illegal drugs;
      Marion Jones and her husband CJ Hunter.
      Carl Lewis. Was revealed to have failed three drugs tests prior to the 1988 Games but was cleared by America’s Olympic Committee.
      Mary Decker.
      There are so many USA athletic drug cheats you may not have heard of them all.
      Try this one
      Regina Jacobs
      The former Stanford University runner from Los Angeles represented the US at three summer Olympic games in 1988, 1992 and 1996, set the indoor world record in the 1500m and won 24 US championships in distances from the 800m to the 3000m.
      In 2003, she tested positive for using one of BALCO’s steroids and was suspended from competition for four years. She retired during that time and has since become a real estate agent in Oakland, Calif.
      Her silver medals in the 1500m from the 1997 and 1999 world championships were NOT taken away.
      
      Jennifer Capriati ( great tennis player) had an illegal drug conviction in the USA but was still able to play.
      
      This is fish in a barrel. Don’t make me laugh so much Gumpy.
      
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      March 20, 2017 7:24pm
      - gump
        
        Seriously. You think the handful of American athletes you named individually are equivalent to more than one thousand Russian athletes named in the Mclaren report?
        
        Meldonium is a PED. And by your own admission, Sharapova has been cheating with it for over ten years.
        
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        March 21, 2017 5:36am
Tauhei Notts

I have visited the Far North twice in the past eight weeks.
I have been impressed with the way that Matt King is going. He has a tough nut to crack up against Winston Peters, but was conspicuous at the Paparoa A & P Show, then Waitangi on 6th February, then the opening of the Opua to Horeke (coast to coast) cycleway, then the Opua Regatta.
The only sign I saw of Winston was at Ellerslie on Cup Day.
The best part about the Opua Regatta was the dogs’ swimming race, from a barge about 200 metres off shore. Some dogs turned back to their owners who had just pushed them off the barge. It was hilarious. The former M.P. John Carter did a great job as m.c. Kelvin Davies was there, just as he had been at Horeke, but was less conspicuous at Opua. Was that the same red tee shirt he had at Horeke?
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March 20, 2017 9:52am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  See the well known racist Hone?
  
  Thought not
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:31am
Nostradamus

Teen rampage in Kaikohe

Kaikohe residents are demanding action after groups of youths, some thought to be young as 11, went on a rampage; helping themselves to boxes of beer from a liquor store and trying to smash their way into a service station.
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The weekend’s trouble started on Friday when about half a dozen youths walked into The Shed liquor store on Marino Court and walked out with about 10 boxes of beer. Police tracked them to a party on Shaw St but with just two officers, and the adults at the party defending the youths, there was little they could do, Mr Taylor said.

I wonder how many of the adults at the party are net taxpayers…
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March 20, 2017 9:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Kaikohe sounds like such a lovely place.
  Maybe Winston and Kelvin should move there and sort it out.
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Davis will be there to greet them when they get back from their Australian ‘holiday’
    
    Good like that he is
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:34am
  - Happychappy
    
    Use the law and hold the Parents responsible for the ones under fifteen years of age. It is time for Parents to be Parents instead of leaving it to the Police.
    
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    March 20, 2017 6:46pm
- kowtow
  
  Good thing no one was going 1 k p h over the limit ,they’d have had cops all over the place.
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:10am
- Swifty
  
  If true, how utterly disgraceful. Come on Nats, give the police the support they need.
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:18am
  - Flash
    
    The family probably told the kids to go and get some booze. So they did.
    Didn’t we all run messages for the grownups when we were kids?
    
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    March 20, 2017 1:44pm
Nostradamus

[Australian Council of Trade Unions] boss Sally McManus has no problem with workers breaking ‘unjust laws’

Asked whether the ACTU should distance itself from the Construction, Forestry, Mining and Energy Union (CFMEU), which has faced 118 separate legal proceedings in various courts around Australia, Ms McManus said “there’s no way we’ll be doing that”. “The CFMEU, when they’ve been fined, they’ve been fined for taking industrial action,” she told 7.30. “It might be illegal industrial action according to our current laws, and our current laws are wrong. I believe in the rule of law when the law is fair and the law is right. But when it’s unjust I don’t think there’s a problem with breaking it. It shouldn’t be so hard for workers in our country to be able to take industrial action when they need to.”

Australian employers have good reason to be worried about these comments.

Here’s a summary of what the Royal Commission into Trade Union Governance and Corruption found:

The Turnbull government has flagged sweeping new laws to tackle trade union corruption after a Royal Commission found the labour movement was riddled with “widespread” and “deep-seated” misconduct.
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In a blistering assessment of the state of unions, Mr Heydon – a former High Court judge – concluded the Commission had likely uncovered only the most egregious examples of misconduct. “These aberrations cannot be regarded as isolated. They are not the work of a few rogue unions, or a few rogue officials. The misconduct exhibits great variety. It is widespread. It is deep-seated. It would be utterly naïve to think that what has been uncovered is anything other than the small tip of an enormous iceberg.”

He said it was clear there was room in the union movement for “louts, thugs, bullies, thieves, perjurers”.

It seems that the ACTU has already decided that these “sweeping new laws to tackle trade union corruption” are unfair and will advise its members not to comply with them.
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March 20, 2017 10:10am
- krazykiwi
  
  He said it was clear there was room in the union movement for “louts, thugs, bullies, thieves, perjurers”
  
  I’d have said the union movement was already full of louts, thugs, bullies, thieves, perjurers 🙂
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    That may be true, he is saying that there is room for more, brother, comrade. . . ..
    
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    March 20, 2017 10:37am
Stars And Stripes

Mass brawl erupts on Manus Island over food
http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/326960/mass-brawl-erupts-on-manus-island

Easy solution to all this ungratefulness, just don’t feed them.
Let them revert to the primitive ways they will be well accustomed too.
Foraging for bugs and grubs and if all else fails a bit of cannibalism to top it all off.
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March 20, 2017 10:36am
- Nostradamus
  
  Stars And Stripes:
  
  Foraging for bugs and grubs and if all else fails a bit of cannibalism to top it all off.
  
  It sounds like you own the filming rights for the next TV series of Survivor?
  
  The show maroons a group of strangers in an isolated location, where they must provide food, water, fire, and shelter for themselves. The contestants compete in challenges for rewards and immunity from elimination.
  
  Except, in this real-life version, I guess “elimination” would have serious consequences.
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:46am
Maggy Wassilieff

Heterosexuality defined as a perversion
“abnormal or perverted appetite toward the opposite sex.”
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170315-the-invention-of-heterosexuality
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March 20, 2017 10:44am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Sorry got about two sections into that article and gave up as it was all a bit deep for me.
  Maybe as one of our resident experts on these matters you could summarize the key findings for us?.
  
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  March 20, 2017 10:57am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Happy to summarize
    
    Psychobabble by psychobabblers.
    
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    March 20, 2017 12:33pm
    - pentwig
      
      steffie would be grateful for your link then Maggie.
      Do you think he will thank you for it?
      
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      March 20, 2017 7:49pm
  - chiz
    
    The article is pointing out that the way we categorize people has changed. Today we categorize people based on desire – if they fancy the opposite sex then they’re straight, and if they fancy the same sex they’re gay. But this distinction was only explicitly noticed, and the terms ‘heterosexual’ and ‘homosexual’ were invented, in the nineteenth century. Before then, the people were categorized by whether they were breeding or not. Gay people certainly existed centuries and millenia ago, but no one thought that this was a distinction that was worth linguistically recognizing.
    
    Augustine is sometimes credited with developing the modern homophobic interpretation of some passages in the Bible but the stuff about Stoicism sounds like BS.
    
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    March 20, 2017 12:57pm
dime

random cricket post for the day

1) the aussie captain is fucking amazing. 52 tests played with an average just over 59!!! hes 27..

2) dave warner having a shocker in india. averages 21 after 6 innings. i used to be a fan but he turned out to be an inbred c*nt so im happy to see him fail for a bit.
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March 20, 2017 10:59am
- Longknives
  
  Agreed on both counts Dime..
  
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  March 20, 2017 12:39pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
New Zealand, in my considered opinion, is and has been riddled with endemic and entrenched corruption for decades.

The ‘commercialise – corporatise -PRIVATISE Neo – liberal Rogernomics’ model, locally, nationally and internationally, promoted and enforced the contracting out of public services that used to be provided ‘in house’ by central and local government.

The ‘Rogernomics RORT’ was based upon the unsubstantiated myth and mantra
‘PUBLIC IS BAD – PRIVATE IS GOOD’.

That public service provision, under the genuine non-commercialised (not for profit) public service model was supposedly ‘inefficient’.

‘Inefficient’ in my view, was corporate-speak for ‘we haven’t yet got our filthy hands on it’.

The NZ Business Round Table (made up of CEOs of NZ BIG business) who both vigorously promoted and directly benefited from the Rogernomics reforms which served their vested interests – focused on a form of ‘grand’ corruption which most New Zealanders have never even heard of.

STATE CAPTURE – where vested interests get their way at the POLICY level, to get laws passed which serve their vested interests.

Where do you look to find STATE CAPTURE in New Zealand?

Look at the Regulatory Impact Statements that are produced before proposed law changes go to Cabinet.

Look at those with whom the ‘policy analysts’ have consulted.

That’s how this form of endemic ‘grand’ corruption has been carried out for decades in this corrupt, polluted tax haven, falsely and misleadingly marketed as ‘clean, green New Zealand’.

The answer?

In my considered opinion ?

Open the books.

Cut out the contractors.

Return public services to ‘in house’ provision under the ‘not for profit’ public service model.

Penny Bright

Proven ‘anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’
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March 20, 2017 11:14am
- Swifty
  
  No facts as usual, just unsubstantiated assertions.
  
  “That which is claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence….”
  
  Pathetic.
  
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  March 20, 2017 11:26am
- simpleton1
  
  ?????-corruption Public Watchdog’
  It all starts in very small ways.
  
  Penny completely ignored the G.A. rules that it must approve all funds before they are released (over $100) by usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval,
  
  https://occupysavvy.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/penny-bright-fails-to-co-opt-occupy-auckland-again/
  
  ……reimbursed by those responsible for finances at Occupy Auckland on the basis of receipts provided, for money I had spent on approved Occupy Auckland activities
  
  publicwatchdog (5,413 comments) says:
  February 8th, 2016 at 11:07 am
  
  Yeah right.
  Show us the receipts.
  Show us the minutes of the meeting.
  
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  March 20, 2017 11:32am
- G152
  
  Pay your rates
  
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  March 20, 2017 11:35am
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  New Zealand, in my considered opinion, is and has been riddled with endemic and entrenched corruption for decades.
  
  That’s not the important issue of the day.
  
  After John Key’s resignation, who will be Helensville’s new MP?
  
  BRIGHT, Penny IND 420
  KEY, John NAT 22,720
  
  How many votes will you get this year? And will you campaign in your Shon Key outfit?
  
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  March 20, 2017 11:49am
  - Manolo
    
    421, if the generous Kim Dot Com shifts to the bludger’s electorate.
    
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    March 20, 2017 12:11pm
  - sooty
    
    Didn’t do very well against Jacinda either, did you! Piss off and pay your rates.
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:15pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Oh Christ, the nutjob is back.
  Mad, barking mad.
  
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  March 20, 2017 11:55am
- RalphT
  
  Here boy, here boy. Damn, where did that Publicwatchpuppy go? Always wanders off when you need him most.
  
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  March 20, 2017 12:53pm
krazykiwi

Here’s an interesting NYT Op-Ed about the recent Dutch election, with some comment on the trend for centre-left and centre-right parties to shrink, with more smaller parties both filling the void and making coalition governments more unwieldy.

The real story in Dutch politics isn’t Mr. Wilders’s rise, it is the unprecedented fragmentation of the political system. Together, Mr. Rutte’s and Mr. Wilders’s parties look set to make up only 33 percent of the Parliament, with 11 more political parties constituting the rest. This splintering of Dutch politics is making effective governance of the country increasingly impossible.

While previous Parliaments have counted 14 or more factions, what has changed is the relative size of the parties. In 1986, the top three parties together won 85 percent of the vote. In 2003, it was down to 74 percent. Today it is just around 45 percent.

Because of its proportional representation system of voting, the Netherlands is an extreme case. But the trends are similar across Western Europe: The main center-right and center-left parties are shrinking, smaller parties are growing and unstable coalition politics are becoming the norm.

The other observation about this Op-Ed is the title – “The Dutch Election Shows How Not to Defeat Populism”.

Populism is democracy at work. Working to ‘defeat’ populism by whatever mechanism is an attempt to subvert democracy in my view.
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March 20, 2017 11:21am
- stephieboy
  
  Krazy Kiwi,
  
  “Populism is democracy at work. Working to ‘defeat’ populism by whatever mechanism is an attempt to subvert democracy in my view”
  
  Not necessaritly so . Hitler ‘s and Mussolini’s rises were counched in terms of populism , the will of the people/ masses and so forth .
  
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  March 20, 2017 11:50am
  - krazykiwi
    
    stephie, another Hitler reference? One of your favourite characters by all accounts.
    
    Populism without freedom of choice is fascism.
    
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    March 20, 2017 12:05pm
    - sooty
      
      Sleep in did you stephie?
      
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      March 20, 2017 8:17pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Suggests there is an opportunity for more smaller parties to form in NZ too? (If pressures are similar)
  
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  March 20, 2017 12:06pm
Manolo

The MSM hacks will never forgive President Trump:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/anti-trump-media-91-coverage-negative-96-of-donations-to-hillary/article/2617828#.WM8DoPnrHvg.twitter

In an interview, he cited the media’s ills: 91% of Trump campaign coverage was negative, 96% of media campaign contributions went to Democrat Hillary Clinton, and 55% of the public is weary of the anti-Trump tone in coverage.
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March 20, 2017 11:35am
stephieboy

Sheesh will this guy ever learn ?,

“That’s not how it works’: Trump’s grasp of Nato questioned”

President’s claim that Germany owes the US ‘vast sums of money’ shows a lack of understanding, says ex-Nato representative

On the heels of a visibly awkward visit from the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, Donald Trump said on Saturday that Germany owed “vast sums of money” to Nato and the US, even though the alliance does not stipulate payments to America.

Merkel and Trump can’t hide fundamental differences in first visit
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His remarks prompted a former US permanent representative to Nato to reply “that’s not how Nato works”, and to add that increased European spending on defense was not a “favor (or payment) to the US”.

Trump, who was at his Mar-a-Lago estate for the weekend and spending the morning at Trump International Golf Course, sent two tweets early in the day. The first denounced “the FAKE NEWS” for what he said was mistaken coverage of a “GREAT” meeting with Merkel…”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/18/trump-merkel-nato-germany-owe-money-tweet
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March 20, 2017 11:45am
- All_on_Red
  
  I think we all realise he’s referring to the imbalance of funding between the US and Germany of NATO.
  He should just call their bluff and start withdrawing troops and close a few bases.
  See what happens then.
  
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  March 20, 2017 12:15pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , again failing to grasp what NATO is and individual members defence contributions commitments,
    
    German defence minister hits back at Trump accusation of “vast sums” of NATO debt
    
    GERMAN Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen on Sunday fiercely denied U.S. President Donald Trump’s claim that Germany owes NATO “vast sums” of money for defence.
    
    “There is no debt account at NATO,” said von der Leyen said in a statement, adding that it is inaccurate to link the target for members to spend 2 percent of their economic output on defence by 2024 solely to NATO.
    
    “Defence spending also goes into UN peacekeeping missions, into our European missions and into our contribution to the fight against IS terrorism,” von der Leyen said.
    
    Her statement stressed the need to have a “modern security concept” hereby all NATO members could fairly shoulder the burden of security threats….”
    
    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/781109/German-defence-minister-US-President-Donald-Trump-NATO-defence-spend-debt
    
    Ignoramus !
    
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    March 20, 2017 12:39pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Fuck you’re thick. Trump never mentioned the words ‘Debt account’.
      We all know he’s referring to the amount Germany contributes.
      Well perhaps morons don’t know…
      Lol.
      
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      March 20, 2017 4:14pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X thick?
        
        In one sense you’re correct, All_on_Red, but others conclude that, if you took off the Stephiestani head wrapping, you could easily slip the brain between the toes of a young camel. 😛
        
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        March 20, 2017 5:20pm
  - SPC
    
    The irony is that Germany has already committed to increasing its defence spending to 2% GDP. It is the target agreed to by NATO members – before Trump was elected POTUS.
    
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    March 20, 2017 2:29pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      The initial ‘commitment’ was years ago, and re-affirmed in 2014. A far as I can find, Germany has never met the 2% target.
      
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      March 20, 2017 2:35pm
      - SPC
        
        They decided in 2014 to try and reach the target by 2024.
        
        One constraint however is a EU rule whereby nations keep debt to 60% of GDP (an irony as Greece meets the target despite much higher debt because of GDP decline).
        
        Germany forecasts overall debt to fall below 60% of GDP — the maximum allowed by European Union budget rules — in 2020 from 68.2% last year. The same pressure exists on other EU members.
        
        All some irony as the USA has debt at 105% of GDP (and still growing) and spends 3% of GDP on defence and is going to spend more under Trump.
        
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        March 20, 2017 2:55pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        All the more reason for Germany to look after themselves and the US to reduce its support.
        
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        March 20, 2017 4:11pm
      - mikenmild
        
        So Trump is wrong to be spending more on Defence, AoR?
        
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        March 20, 2017 4:25pm
    - stephieboy
      
      SPC , something well beyond Trumpets like All on Red and Jack 5 .
      
      Both cringeworthy much .
      
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      March 20, 2017 5:54pm
      - pentwig
        
        good grief!
        
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        March 20, 2017 7:52pm
  - SPC
    
    The obvious move was/is to move US bases into Poland – a nation which spends 2% GDP on defence.
    
    It is by Ukraine and the Baltic, where resurgent Russian nationalism creates a new frontier for mutual military posturing.
    
    NATO should first thank Putin’s Russian revivalism for justifying its continued existence, its role as a deputy dog to America’s global unilateralism (intervention/regime change within nations is not part of the UN’s collective security of nations) was becoming unfashionable.
    
    Of course successful diplomacy between US/UK/EU and Russia undermines both the continuance of NATO and the need for such defence spending levels on the continent.
    
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    March 20, 2017 3:33pm
  - Tirebiter
    
    All_on_Red
    
    What a wonderful idea! Pull all US troops out of Germany, and Japan, and Britain, Italy, Iceland, and Australia, and S. Korea, and 22 countries in Africa, and Afghanistan, and Iraq and send them home. More importantly, pull them out of NATO. The existence of over 700 US military installations across the world admitted by the Pentagon, whose figures don’t count CIA sites, has little to do with actual defense. It is only the rationale provided for funneling trillions of tax dollars over the years to favored MIC corporations in America’s version of military Keynesianism – which is why it will not happen any time soon if at all.
    
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    March 21, 2017 8:01am
All_on_Red

The Judges are turning on the each other.
‘Five judges of the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals went out of their way to denounce the “fundamental errors” in the February decision of a three-judge panel which effectively stopped President Donald Trump’s first executive order temporarily halting immigration from seven Muslim-majority countries, attacked as a “Muslim Ban.” The five judges denounced the panel’s ruling as a “clear misstatement of law,” and argued that they had an “obligation to correct” it for the record.
“We are judges, not Platonic Guardians. It is our duty to say what the law is, and the meta-source of our law, the U.S. Constitution, commits the power to make foreign policy, including the decisions to permit or forbid entry into the United States, to the President and Congress,” the judges declared. They argued that the panel’s February ruling constituted clear judicial activism which undermined the separation of powers.’
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/03/19/five-9th-circuit-judges-eviscerate-the-fundamental-errors-in-ruling-against-trumps-muslim-ban/
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March 20, 2017 11:49am
- mikenmild
  
  That’s too funny. I don’t suppose you realised that these five judges were dissenting from the majority decision of the 9th Circuit to uphold the lower court decision. Even then, one of the dissenting judges had this to say about Trump:
  
  The personal attacks on the distinguished district judge and our colleagues were out of all bounds of civic and persuasive discourse—particularly when they came from the parties. It does no credit to the arguments of the parties to impugn the motives or the competence of the members of this court; ad hominem attacks are not a substitute for effective advocacy. Such personal attacks treat the court as though it were merely a political forum in which bargaining, compromise, and even intimidation are acceptable principles. The courts of law must be more than that, or we are not governed by law at all.
  
  But then, if your source is pjmedia, you are unlikely to know what you are talking about.
  
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  March 20, 2017 1:06pm
  - stephieboy
    
    mm, excellent find and so true of pj media ,
    
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pajamas_Media
    
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    March 20, 2017 1:10pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    “The majority decision of the Ninth Circuit”
    You make it look like ALL of the 9th Circuit voted.
    They didn’t. Only THREE did.
    And here we have FIVE other Judges in the 9th Circuit criticising those Judges.
    And oh, who cares if Trump criticised them. Maybe he shouldn’t but he’s still right about them being wrong- as these FIVE Judges confirm.
    Also given the Judges are quoted the source is irrelevant.
    
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    March 20, 2017 4:09pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You don’t think it was odd that PJ Media omitted to mention that the lower court decision was upheld?
      But at least you are a bit better informed now.
      But perhaps you can clear something up for me: was Judge Bybee correct in criticising the ruling, but incorrect when he criticised Trump for personal attacks on judges?
      
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      March 20, 2017 5:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , please oblige and answer that highly pertinent question.
        
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        March 20, 2017 5:56pm
      - ztev
        
        A normal appeal is by 3 judges, sometimes an ‘en banc’ appeal hearing is made with 11 new judges.
        
        They lost as they didnt even have a majority to hear the appeal.
        Its all water under the bridge as Trump revocated his first attempt.
        
        These are all about tempoary restraining orders as the full case isnt argued
        
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        March 20, 2017 6:19pm
Stars And Stripes

Animal rights organisation Safe calls on Countdown to go cage free
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11821652.
Mandy Carter says:
“”Woolworths have listened to their Aussie customers by committing to going cage-free, but they are turning a deaf ear to caring Kiwis wanting to end hen cruelty.
Ultimately this continued stance is going to damage their brand.
Thousands of messages have been received by Countdown over the past few months asking them to go cage free, and New Zealanders are tired of being ignored.”

The only people Countdown are turning a deaf ear too is miserable little busy bodies like yourself who think people should not have the right to exercise a thing called choice and buy whatever eggs they choose instead of the ones you dictate everyone should have.
Get some real work for heavens sake.
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March 20, 2017 12:01pm
- GoVege
  
  Why of course, S&S.
  Hard-hearted Kiwis have an absolute right to have their eggs laid by tortured chickens jam-packed in a tiny cage for their entire lifespans.
  What will they think of next?
  Banning live bait?
  That will really take the fun out of fishing….
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:51pm
gorse

I note that Trump has reduced the US debt by $100 billion in his first two months. First decrease in a long time. Still a bit under 20 trillion to go.
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March 20, 2017 12:04pm
- Tirebiter
  
  That’s not how it works in the US. We won’t know if he reduced the US federal debt or not until his first budget is actually adopted. Be patient.
  
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  March 21, 2017 6:04am
krazykiwi

The Wambulance.

A mobile crying post.

A safe place for snowflakes, liberals etc.

😀
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March 20, 2017 12:11pm
Kea

~~Animal rights~~ Far left activist organisation Safe calls on Countdown to go cage free.

Fixed it.
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March 20, 2017 12:24pm
Kea

Odakyu-sen

milkenmild,

Can you imagine the horrors if Generalplan Ost had been put into practice?

Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost

“The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and mass murder of most Slavic peoples in Europe along with planned destruction of their nations, whom the ‘Aryan’ Nazis viewed as racially inferior”

The Nazi hated the Slavic people more than any other. Most of the people killed in the labour camps were Slavic, by a considerable margin. The Slavic countries were also home to most of the worlds Jews. At that time Russia had the worlds highest Jewish population.

We have heard some figures about how many Jews died in the war that killed around 70 million, but no figures on Eastern Orthodox deaths. Surprising when you consider they suffered more than any other group by far.

The sad thing is the re -emergence of anti Slavic hatred and propaganda in modern society.
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March 20, 2017 12:35pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kea,
  
  “.. anti Slavic hatred and propaganda in modern society.” ??
  
  HOW PUTIN IS RESTORING THE FALLEN SOVIET EMPIRE
  
  Totally untrue .Putin merely needs to pull his horns in focusing on rebuilding his country’s lameduck economy. Not pretensions towards reviving the old Soviet Empire ,
  
  http://europe.newsweek.com/how-putin-restoring-fallen-soviet-empire-501555?rm=eu
  
  LOL
  
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  March 20, 2017 12:46pm
Kea

UN peacekeeping missions

stephieboy, got any sources for that claim ?

Unless you call driving around in white trucks watching genocides “peacekeeping”.
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March 20, 2017 12:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kea,
  Russia’s Contribution and participation to UN Peace keeping operations ,
  
  Russia Ministry of Defence
  
  http://eng.mil.ru/en/mission/peacekeeping_operations.htm
  
  A bit rusty and slow after your one year ” exile “, eh ?
  
  LOL
  
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  March 20, 2017 12:51pm
Kea

Maggy Wassilieff

Heterosexuality defined as a perversion
“abnormal or perverted appetite toward the opposite sex.”
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20170315-the-invention-of-heterosexuality

Times like this I wish I was one of the soldiers of Allah/Christ.

I am as liberal as they come, but these sorts of social engineering projects make me sick.

I am sure most gays would agree too.
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March 20, 2017 12:47pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The author studied theology at Jerry Falwell’s Liberty University.
  
  Writing long essay pieces probably pays more than his Tap dancing did.
  https://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/03/12/meet-brandon-ambrosino-homophobes-favorite-gay/198461
  
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  March 20, 2017 4:09pm
Kea

stephieboy

Kea,

“.. anti Slavic hatred and propaganda in modern society.” ??

Totally untrue

Now I am convinced its true. Your denial adds credibility to any claim.
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March 20, 2017 12:49pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kea, demonstrate then how it is true ?
  
  Opposition to Putin’s support of the slavic Doentsk rebels against slavic Ukraine equals anti slavic hatred ?
  
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  March 20, 2017 1:03pm
AgentBallSack

Grabs popcorn.
Welcome back Kea!
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March 20, 2017 1:19pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Kea 1st strike – 2/10/14, 2nd strike – 4/10/14, 1st warning – 16/10/14, 2nd warning – 17/10/14, 3rd strike – 22/10/14, 4th strike – 24/11/14, 5th strike – 22/12/14, 6th strike – 6/2/14, 7th strike – 19/4/15, 8th strike – 27/7/15, 9th strike – 23/2/16
  
  Strike 1 – no suspension
  Strike 2 – no suspension
  Strike 3 – one week suspension
  Strike 4 – two weeks suspension
  Strike 5 – one month suspension
  Strike 6 – two month suspension
  Strike 7 – three month suspension
  Strike 8 – six month suspension
  Strike 9 – one year suspension
  Strike 10 – permanent ban
  
  Days (since end of last suspension) before start of next:
  2 days, 12 days, 1 day, 5 days, 26 days, 14 days, 15 days, 1 year 10 days, 8 days, 27 days
  
  Kea appears to be destined for a short stay, Mode to date is about 14 days. Anyone want to start a pool?
  
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  March 20, 2017 1:38pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I think he can do a month. But not to worry, he can just resurrect one of his other aliases to continue commenting as usual.
    
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    March 20, 2017 1:45pm
  - SPC
    
    Does anyone know of a taxidermist we can call – when it gets to that last time ever?
    
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    March 20, 2017 2:39pm
    - SGA
      
      He won’t be dead though, he’ll just pining for the fjords 🙂
      
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      March 20, 2017 6:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  ABS ,pathetic actually. Idiot finds fellow idiot in exile ?
  
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  March 20, 2017 4:18pm
Fletch

Kiwi Trever Loudon says that the anti-Trump protesters are professional radicals tied to actual Communists (Workers World Party, Revolutionary Communist Party, Freedom Road Socialist organisation). For those scare mongering about Trump and Russia, you should be more worried about the REAL Russian links to anti-Trump movements.

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2017/03/author-its-not-college-kids-creating-chaos-to-resist-trump-theyre-professionals-video/
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March 20, 2017 2:10pm
- mikenmild
  
  Trevor Loudon never saw a bed that didn’t have a red under it.
  
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  March 20, 2017 2:20pm
- SPC
  
  Fletch, Putin has already decided that real Russians are not commies, and commies are not real Russians.
  
  The anti-Trump opposition includes the remnant of the Communist Internationale in the wider world – but little of it survives in Putin’s Russia.
  
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  March 20, 2017 2:37pm
- Fletch
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGe3pypQWl0
  
  Shows who the real leaders of these protests are (including video). All commies and socialists.
  
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  March 20, 2017 2:39pm
- jonar
  
  Is it any wonder people are protesting.
  
  http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/03/19/donald_trump_s_approval_rating_hits_new_record_low_according_to_gallup.html?utm_content=inf_10_2641_2&wpsrc=socialedge&tse_id=INF_a3f57d400d0d11e79b1a07d5f3e08d7d
  
  Gallup- Job approval upon hitting 60 days in office:
  Carter 75
  Reagan 60
  HW Bush 56
  Clinton 53
  W Bush 58
  Obama 63
  
  Trump… 37
  
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  March 20, 2017 3:48pm
  - Fletch
    
    jonar, is it any wonder? Trump hasn’t even been given a honeymoon period – people are being bombarded with one negative story after another about him in the media. They are out to get him, make no mistake.
    
    It’s like with the new Iron Fist series from Marvel on Netflix: I’ve seen review after review saying how bad it was, and I wasn’t even going to bother watching it. But it’s actually not that bad – pretty good, in fact. If you believe everything coming at you from the media without using that critical part of your mind then you’re just being lazy and a conformist.
    
    I suspect that many low information voters are like that.
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:22pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Special pleading.
      
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      March 20, 2017 8:28pm
    - mikenmild
      
      And I see even Fox News is reporting that Trump is less popular than Bernie Sanders, Obamacare or Planned Parenthood. No word yet as to whether he is more popular than herpes.
      
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      March 20, 2017 9:01pm
krazykiwi

From the UK, a article about the tax burden falling increasingly on the wealthy irrespective of which party is in power.

Tax burden on the wealthy has trebled since the 1970s

The tax burden shouldered by Britain’s wealthiest has almost trebled since the 1970s, analysis of historic data reveals – further undermining the Conservative’s reputation as a “low tax” party.

Daily Telegraph analysis of nearly four decades of tax and income records shows high earners are now responsible for paying a higher proportion of Britain’s total income tax bill than they have done under any Labour government.

Today the top 1% of income taxpayers, who earn in excess of £162,000 a year, now pay nearly a third (27%) of all income tax.
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March 20, 2017 2:56pm
- SPC
  
  But not through an increase in tax rate on the wealthy
  
  but through
  
  1. globalisation resulting in huge salaries at the top end
  2. massive gains in wealth from CG in the hands of the few
  
  And of course the common folk now pay most of their tax via VAT.
  
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  March 20, 2017 3:06pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    But not through an increase in tax rate on the wealthy
    
    This Financial Times article suggests otherwise:
    
    Any tax regime that imposes higher rates on those who earn more can be described as “progressive”. The upward trajectory of the chart illustrates this.
    
    As the average rate paid by lower earners has fallen, income tax paid by the highest income groups — above £150,000 a year — has risen. The UK income tax system is therefore more progressive than it was in 2000-01.
    
    Those with salaries between £10,000 and £15,000 a year, the lowest income group analysed, have seen their average rate of income tax fall the most during this period, from 11.3 per cent to 3.1 per cent, according to HM Revenue & Customs figures.
    
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    March 20, 2017 3:19pm
    - SPC
      
      Well there has been an attempt to improve the after tax incomes of the lowest paid with the emergence of higher sales taxes/VAT and given casualisation/rise of part-time work etc.
      
      Given this is done by having a zero rate tax up to a threshold (in the past there were low income earner rebates that served in lieu of this), it has also provided a general tax cut to those on median incomes as well. Obviously it has little impact on those on larger multiples of income, and thus the disparity.
      
      Despite this, given the growth in incomes at the top end they are much better off than those at the median and lower incomes than back in the past.
      
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      March 20, 2017 3:46pm
mikenmild

I love Jim Mora’s panel on RNZ. Intent on plumbing new depths of ignorance, one panellist commented today on inflation over the past twenty years by observing that the price rise for a sample basket of goods from $1.00 to $1.54 didn’t sound much until you realised that goods worth $100 would now cost $154.
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March 20, 2017 3:50pm
- SPC
  
  Who needed help realising that?
  
  Those whose short term memory loss takes them back to days before dollars and cents, of pounds and pence?
  
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  March 20, 2017 3:57pm
- Kimbo
  
  Yeah, but 38% of statistics are made up on the spot 😉
  
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  March 20, 2017 3:58pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I’m not an economist, but my understanding of inflation is that it relates to increased money in circulation, not (as seems to be generally used) the increased unit price of goods and services.
  
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  March 20, 2017 4:14pm
- Brigitte
  
  There is a bit of merit in what he says. If I said that your retirement fund would be $10,000 (and bread is $3 per loaf) you’d say “I can’t afford to retire on that”. Now add two 0’s. Say that your retirement fund is $1,000,000 and bread is $300 per loaf. The response would be “ok breads dear, but I have a million dollars”.
  
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  March 20, 2017 4:19pm
  - SPC
    
    The wonders of decimal currency….
    
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    March 20, 2017 4:30pm
jonar

Have some of you guys gone back to Uni?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11821702

Posters have been put up at Auckland University by a group which calls on its website for “physically fit” recruits to oppose multiculturalism – but the Herald has not been able to establish whether a genuine “white rights” group is behind them.

The posters, showing a young, fit white couple, carried the slogans “White lives matter” and “Let’s take our country back”.

They provided a website address, http://www.westernguard.info, which calls for recruits who “must be physically fit or training to become so”, “must be presentable” and cannot be “homosexuals, transexuals or any other form of mental illness”.
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March 20, 2017 4:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  jonar, careful it may give some of our KB “presentable , ‘ ” physically fit” homophobic, multicultural phobic mentally ill alt righters ideas.
  
  LOL
  
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  March 20, 2017 4:12pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  “Must be physically fit or training to become so”, “must be presentable” and cannot be “homosexuals, transexuals or any other form of mental illness”.
  
  Well that counts out most students these days straight away.
  Probably about as likely as going to a Green Party conference and finding a women without a beard.
  
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  March 20, 2017 4:29pm
- sam green
  
  Hahaha. Western Guard – a bunch of spotty alt-tards with no girlfriends and excess smegma. Piss take.
  
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  March 20, 2017 7:32pm
SPC

Asbestos and schools.

There was a case a few years ago January 2015, Silverstream, when a company had consent to demolish some buildings and was responsible for doing this safely.

The building had asbestos in it. A pre school was next door.

Under the Health & Safety at Work Act 2015, new rules around asbestos removal were introduced, including a nationwide licensing system, starting in April 2016. The increase in training and standards will improve the management of asbestos …

https://article.wn.com/view/2015/01/29/Upper_Hutt_childcare_centre_closed_by_asbestos/
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March 20, 2017 5:17pm
- Kea
  
  Harmless unless you breath it. Nice appeal to emotion with the mention of the “pre-school”
  
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  March 20, 2017 5:27pm
  - SPC
    
    There were clouds of dust from the demolition during the school day – a child care centre with open windows was next door, bad enough – worse when you factor in the asbestos.
    
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    March 20, 2017 5:38pm
    - Kea
      
      “Dust” not asbestos. The worthless little brats will be fine.
      
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      March 20, 2017 5:41pm
      - SPC
        
        This statement should be provided when seeking admittance to the Islamic State school of ethical science. Along with a character reference, demonstrating evidence of resistance to the infidel.
        
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        March 20, 2017 5:54pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Kea, nice appeal to emotion ? The demolition coy should send a sample for the asbestos for breathing exercises.
        
        Enjoy your asbestos acquired lung cancer ,
        
        https://www.asbestos.com/cancer/
        
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        March 20, 2017 6:02pm
      - Kea
        
        Yeah but the snot gobblers were not exposed to asbestos. Just harmless dust. I hope they got a good clip under the ear to go with it.
        
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        March 20, 2017 6:18pm
Kea

Kiwi Trever Loudon says that the anti-Trump protesters are professional radicals tied to actual Communists

Only those higher up pulling the strings. The average anti-Trump protester is just a virtue signalling moral cripple.

Its is a mistake to think there is any philosophical reason behind their actions. Anti-Trumpsters are just nasty vicious people looking for an outlet.
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March 20, 2017 5:24pm
Kea

mikenmild

I love Jim Mora’s panel on RNZ.

I bet you do milky. It saves you having to form actual ideas of your own. Just lay back and soak up the propaganda.
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March 20, 2017 5:30pm
- Jack5
  
  The way to restore Gentleman Jim Mora’s panel to the land of the living would be to have on the panel both Kea and Mary Wilson, formerly Foaming Mary of Checkpoint, and since promoted to Director of Radio NZ news programmes.
  
  For the benefit of Wellington Kiwibloggerites who risk being ambushed by a mild-looking woman who turns out to be Ferocious Mary, here’s a link to an interview with a photograph of her.
  
  The Mild Mary persona is defending Ferocious Mary’s interviewing style:
  
  They confuse persistence or short questions with something that might be aggressive. We haven’t got a lot of time to muck around so long-winded questions are not the best way to cut through, especially if talking to people who are long winded or obfuscatory.
  
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  March 20, 2017 6:03pm
  - Kea
    
    First thing – I would tell her to go pretty herself up a bit; put some lippy on, show a bit of tit and shave her legs.
    
    Then I might speak to her after she brings me a drink.
    
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    March 20, 2017 6:11pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    I think she left out the bit about not even having enough time to listen to the first three words of an answer before interrupting with the next question. Failed attempt at self-justification. For the most part, I can’t recall getting much out of her interviews beyond a bunch of questions or allegations consistent with her agenda. The only exceptions I recall were, interestingly enough, Bill English and Stephen Joyce who generally got to answer her questions, but then maybe I caught her on her off days.
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:26pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops! I left off my post the link to the interview with the photograph of Mary Wilson. Doesn’t look as though she could tear your bloody arm off, does she?
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=10874762
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:31pm
krazykiwi

BBC demands new laws to give its shows top billing over rivals in television guides

The BBC should be protected by new laws that promote its shows over those of rivals, according to one of the corporation’s most senior executives.

James Purnell, director of radio and education, says that the shows the BBC makes must be given more prominence in television guides than those of commercial services Sky, Amazon and Netflix.

This guy is one of the BBC’s ‘most senior executives’… and he thinks that their show’s success is determined by the prominence in ‘television guides’?

So 1995. What planet is this idiot on?
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March 20, 2017 5:37pm
- Jack5
  
  The Red Planet.
  
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  March 20, 2017 6:05pm
Manolo

Liberals of every variety working against President Trump:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-bumpy-early-weeks-slow-his-agenda-1489945347
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March 20, 2017 6:05pm
Kea

What is it with Catholics and kids ?

Were they burying evidence ?

Don’t forget to down tick if you support the mass murder and sexual abuse of kids, just as long as the Church does it.

Mass grave of babies and children found at Tuam care home in Ireland
Excavations at site of home for unmarried mothers and their children, where it is alleged up to 800 children died, uncover human remains

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/03/mass-grave-of-babies-and-children-found-at-tuam-orphanage-in-ireland
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March 20, 2017 6:05pm
- Harriet
  
  In all seriousness, most women had still births or children who didn’t last till 5yrs old back in those days. If you had 6-10 kids one or two would die/still birth on average.
  
  800 kids? It’s either a systematic procedure, a sadist or several, or natural.
  
  I’ll go with natural.
  
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  March 20, 2017 6:11pm
  - Kea
    
    Yes many kids used to die naturally. I don’t blame them for that.
    
    However, the Church treated unmarried mothers very poorly. They believed they should suffer and live in shame. The children were considered the products of sin and were treated accordingly.
    
    These deaths included children, not just babies. And we all know how priests love the kiddies. This is a crime scene of mass murder and abuse.
    
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    March 20, 2017 6:15pm
- Fletch
  
  This is just recycled old news. The same debunked case from a couple years ago just winding up.
  
  http://www.spiked-online.com/newsite/article/the-tuam-tank-another-myth-about-evil-ireland/15140
  
  http://www.forbes.com/sites/eamonnfingleton/2014/06/09/that-story-about-irish-babies-in-a-septic-tank-is-a-media-hoax/
  
  http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/tuam-mother-and-baby-home-the-trouble-with-the-septic-tank-story-1.1823393
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:34pm
  - mikenmild
    
    The remains were found in an “underground structure divided into 20 chambers.” The Commission “said it had not yet determined what the purpose of this structure was but it appeared to be a sewage tank. The commission had also not yet determined if it was ever used for this purpose.
    
    So long as the tank had not been used for sewage, I reckon the nuns were okay to dump the bodies there. But I doubt that, because they might have thought that disrespectful to the shit.
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:56pm
  - Kea
    
    No Fletch it is a recent discovery. Nice try to defend child rapists and killers though.
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:00pm
    - Fletch
      
      Actually it isn’t. It is the same case being concluded. Brendan Malone (Focus on the Family) writes …
      
      Some important FACTS about the so-called ‘mass grave’ at the Irish home for unwed mothers run by Catholic nuns:
      1. None of the deaths were hidden. The very reason we first heard about this burial site in the international media back in 2014 (even though locals have known about it for decades) is because every single death was officially certificated, but an Irish historian realised that there were no corresponding burial records for each child’s official death certificate during her research into the deaths.
      2. The co-called ‘sewers’ these remains were found in had stopped being used for sewerage in 1937, and most of the human remains found at this site date from the 1950’s – at least 13 years after that point.
      3. The official report into this burial site states that NO human remains were found in the septic tank (that was filled with rubble and earth) – instead they were found in adjoining chambers.
      4. In Ireland, at the time of these deaths, unwed mothers experienced child mortality rates that were markedly higher than married parents did at the same time. The child mortality rate for unwed mothers was 25% – a shocking and tragic 1 in 4 children. There is absolutely NO indication that these children were killed by anyone, instead they were victims of a former era with tragically high child mortality rates.
      5. Throughout the time that this care home operated, Ireland experienced bouts of serious poverty that led to malnourishment, particularly for vulnerable sectors of the Irish community, and limited healthcare options for vulnerable groups.
      6. The very reason the nuns were providing care to these unwed mothers was because they had been cast aside by the society of their day, and these Catholic nuns were the only ones actually doing anything to care for these mothers with the limited resources at their disposal. There are indications that these nuns petitioned the local authorities on more than one occasion for increased support, but it was never forthcoming.
      7. This is NOT a newly discovered burial site as many media outlets are falsely reporting. This site was first given major international media coverage back in 2014, and the reason this story has suddenly surfaced again in the last couple of days is because the official report into this burial site was just released in Ireland.
      
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      March 20, 2017 11:48pm
Manolo

An Obama judge doing his bit:
A federal judge on Sunday rejected the U.S. government’s request to clarify his temporary order blocking President Donald Trump’s revised travel ban.

U.S. District Judge Derrick Watson said nothing was unclear about his order and the government can’t ask for a distinction that officials failed to make in earlier briefs and arguments, according to online court records.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4329274/Hawaii-says-government-alter-order-Trump-travel-ban.html#ixzz4bq7NpNMR
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March 20, 2017 6:07pm
ex-golfer

So Labour want a royalty charged on the extraction of water for bottling.

Will they extend this policies to other large scale extractors of water for export, such as:
– the wine industry
– beer brewers
– Fonterra
– most food suppliers, including fruit and vegetables

Or are they simply jumping on popular hysteria?

And of course now the Maori are jumping in saying they want a share of royalties………….more for the Bro’rocracy to pocket (while their children run riot on the streets of Northland/South Auckland etc).
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March 20, 2017 6:13pm
- Harriet
  
  Will they extend this policies to other large scale extractors of water for export, such as:
  – the wine industry
  – beer brewers
  – Fonterra
  – most food suppliers, including fruit and vegetables.
  
  It’ll end up being like Rudd’s mining tax where the big boys were to pay the taxes for all the mining companies. I’m picking Fonterra and the brewers.
  
  It won’t get up.
  
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  March 20, 2017 6:34pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Or are they simply jumping on popular hysteria?
  
  You just answered your own question. And thanks for not mentioning hydro-youknowwhat generation.
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:19pm
jonar

Florida taxpayers hit with bill for Trumps visits.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/donald-trump-mar-a-lago-costs/

According to estimates provided to CNN by the sheriff’s department, it costs about $60,000 in overtime every day Trump spends in Florida. Trump has spent, before this weekend, 14 days in Florida since taking office in January, meaning costs to the sheriff’s department will likely top $1 million during this weekend’s visit.
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March 20, 2017 6:24pm
- krazykiwi
  
  And sticking their partisan heads above the parapit is:
  (A) really brave, or
  (B) really stupid ?
  
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  March 20, 2017 6:29pm
- mikenmild
  
  Pretty small beer, really. I should imagine that every president incurs similar costs. Obama off to Hawaii for vacations, G W Bush to Texas, etc.
  There are plenty of other reasons to critcise Trump.
  
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  March 20, 2017 6:31pm
  - jonar
    
    The issue is that the county itself has to pay. They have a projected deficit of 40m and have to pay for Trump. And in spite of his criticisms of Obama’s holidays and golf…
    
    residents around Palm Beach have been told to expect Trump to visit Mar-a-Lago every weekend until May.
    
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    March 20, 2017 7:07pm
    - thedavincimode
      
      Good point. POTUS should never leave the White House. Not even to go to the toilet.
      
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      March 20, 2017 8:16pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Even President Underwood in House of Cards got to visit his home town – to piss on his father’s grave.
        
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        March 20, 2017 8:20pm
Kea

“Muslim lone wolves galore:”

Why don’t they just get the Yanks to bomb them, like the Jews do ?
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March 20, 2017 6:28pm
- EAD
  
  But the Yanks aren’t “chosen” so a different set of rules apply……
  
  In Israel, the Jews are told to “segregate” from the Muslim population but in all Goyim countries, the Politicians and the MSM tell us we must “integrate” as per the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan.
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:16pm
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD, nobody in NZ tells whom you should live next door to nor whom your children should or should not marry. Nor the friends you choose .
    
    If you want to live a certain way then that is up to you ,but I’m not so when your children becoming adults , choose not to follow your bigoted way.
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:26pm
  - Kea
    
    EAD , In Israel blacks are treated terribly, including black Jews (Yep for real)
    
    Christian goyim can expect to be spat on, physically attacked and their Churches to be burnt or defaced.
    
    These are daily events in modern day Israel. As reported in mainstream Israeli news services. Non Jews are not permitted to report these things so intellectual cripples won’t believe it.
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:36pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Kea, I ‘m sure EAD will feel most comfortable how Israel allegedly treats its Blacks .
      
      Most societies have their fare share of religious zealots including nutters like EAD and you.
      
      Do send a letter to your POTUS outlining your concerns including his Pro Israel positioning .
      
      LOL
      
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      March 20, 2017 8:49pm
      - Kea
        
        Mas. Shabbath 31b
        
        On the house of the Goy [Goy means unclean, and is the disparaging term for a non-Jew] one looks as on the fold of cattle.
        
        Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156
        
        If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth.
        
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        March 20, 2017 8:53pm
    - EAD
      
      @ Kea,
      
      let’s not forget that the state of Israel forcibly sterilises Black Jews who are considered “untermenschen”.
      
      Quite a contrast over here where Jews encourage, nay almost demand that Goyim misceginate there ancestry away.
      
      https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israel-gave-birth-control-to-ethiopian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html%3Famp
      
      Nor forget that Israel bans the display of Christian symbols at Christmas.
      
      Who needs enemies when you’ve got “friends” like these!
      
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      March 20, 2017 9:53pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Israel bans the display of Christian symbols
        
        Don’t you ever get tired of lying?
        
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        March 21, 2017 5:20am
      - EAD
        
        @ Milkmaid,
        
        Don’t you ever get tired of being proved wrong by us “far-right NAZZZZZEEEES”?
        
        http://www.timesofisrael.com/jerusalem-rabbis-instruct-hotels-to-drop-christmas-trees/
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:23am
      - mikenmild
        
        Some rabbis in Israel want to ban Christmas trees. Israel does not.
        Some Nazis in New Zealand want to ban race mingling. New Zealand does not.
        
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        March 21, 2017 7:37am
  - Kea
    
    Jerusalem Post Christian News
    ISRAELI CHURCH LEADERS BLAME ANTI-CHRISTIAN ATTACKS ON GOVERNMENT INACTION
    
    Leaders of Christian institutions tell Catholic News Service that anti-Christian attacks are not a new phenomenon in Israel.
    
    http://www.jpost.com/Christian-News/Israeli-Church-leaders-blame-anti-Christian-attacks-on-government-inaction-410508
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  Kea, I take it you live comfortably with Trump cementing closer ties with Israel ?
  
  ‘Stay strong Israel’ – Donald Trump tweets criticism of President Obama
  
  LOL
  
  http://www.thejournal.ie/donald-trump-israel-trump-3163036-Dec2016/
  
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  March 20, 2017 8:39pm
  - Kea
    
    Yes I am happy for him to have close ties with Israel.
    
    Are you happy for him to have much closer ties with Russia ?
    
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    March 20, 2017 8:46pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Only if he is capable of seeing through Putin which he is naturally not.
      It will be interesting when the two try and parley over the Iran Nuclear deal
      
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      March 20, 2017 9:40pm
chris

I find it interesting that marquess has commented very little since Jacinda Ardern became deputy leader. I know many people here think they are one and the same and they probably aren’t (but it’s fun to think so), but it is an interesting coincidence, no?
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March 20, 2017 8:12pm
- chris
  
  Ooh, a sour downtick 😉
  
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  March 20, 2017 9:00pm
  - sam green
    
    Or maybe two sour upticks ?
    
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    March 20, 2017 9:18pm
    - sam green
      
      You are soooooo camp chris.
      
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      March 20, 2017 10:55pm
Manolo

Times have changed:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/a-new-mccarthyism-hollywood-987245
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