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William of Ockham

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/17/peru-floods-ocean-climate-change
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Abnormally high ocean temperatures in the Pacific Ocean have been blamed for one of Peru’s worst floods in recent memory, which killed 12 people, destroyed homes and swept away trucks and buses along the usually arid seaboard.

The disaster – which came after a period of severe drought – caught the authorities by surprise and fuelled criticism that the country is ill-prepared for the growing challenges of climate change.

Scientists accused Peruvian authorities of ignoring a warning to countries in the region that there was a severe risk of drought, and opposition politicians have accused the government of failing to respond adequately to forecasts of increasingly frequent extreme weather events.

A spokesman for the Peruvian meteorological agency said it was premature to attribute the floods to climate change though there are studies which suggest El Niño phenomenon will become more frequent as a result of global warming.
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March 18, 2017 8:05am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  That was a predictable post from the Village Idiot.
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:08am
  - nasska
    
    Can someone pack a few pillows around William of Ockham to straighten him up in his lazyboy? That way he can dribble out of both sides of his mouth while he’s typing.
    
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    March 18, 2017 8:20am
  - Notsofast
    
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    Mainwaring:
    What is the point of your post? Consider a basic logical pathway
    1. The concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has roughly doubled from 250 to 450 ppm since the industrial revolution.
    2. The only, and universally agreed explanation, is the burning of fuel by humans.
    3. CO2 traps heat.
    
    Therefore global warming exists and is man made during this particular period in history.
    
    Why not use this as a starting point in answering William of Ockham’s post?
    
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    March 18, 2017 8:35am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Why not use this as a starting point in answering William of Ockham’s post?
      
      A few reasons:
      1. He posts about a subject he knows nothing about
      2. There’s no science in his posts, just re-hashed warmist dogma and first-hit google links
      3. He tries to pollute the GD each day, resulting in a blizzard of downticks
      4. He appears to be an idiot
      
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      March 18, 2017 8:55am
      - holysheet
        
        Appears to be?
        It’s long been established the he is one of the two village idiots we have here. It’s a competition to see who is the dumbest, but I think stupidboy leads that.
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:41am
      - lifesgood
        
        Anyone who keeps getting bashed in the head, over and over and over, and yet comes back for more has to be a village idiot.
        
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        March 18, 2017 12:58pm
    - calendar girl
      
      “The only, and universally agreed explanation …..”
      
      So the 97% claim has now risen to 100%. Who would have expected otherwise?
      
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      March 18, 2017 2:43pm
  - Notsofast
    
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    The killer point is that this doubling in a few hundred years is 1000 times the rate ever experienced in the planet’s history. This presumably includes epidemics of volcanic activity.
    Therefore:
    
    Man’s activity is creating a difference to climate and sea level at 1000 times the normal rate.
    And it is the melting of ice on land that raises sea level far more than thermal expansion of the ocean.
    I am no expert, but some key data points lodge in my mind.
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:09am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      So being a ‘man-made global warming’ activist goes hand in hand with conspiracy theories about why certain murderers are innocent.
      Who would have thunk it?
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:18am
      - Notsofast
        
        I am not a climate activist. There is no point in New Zealand unless living somewhere like Omaha, the converse is pragmatically true, we are immune to all effects.
        It is just the brain detached way you react to posts that have substance that is disturbing.
        Of course conspiracy theories are only that if the case argued is already factually settled, so calling me a conspiracy theorist on crime is temporary, as you will see this year as the Tamihere and Lundy cases unravel in courts of law. What is the label for someone who correctly predicts a future path?
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:29am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Here ya go Billy-boy, a special little treat just for you
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iiSf_K5PeFw
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:14am
- G152
  
  Wow. Weather, Hold the presses
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:29am
- realityczech
  
  So what was the problem Willy:
  
  a. A drought ?
  
  b. A flood ?
  
  You seem confused as well as stupid.
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:29am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Here Dennis, you can read of the droughts and floods that have hit Peru since the 16th Century…
  
  nicely collected record of all the ENSO events
  
  “The documented historical record of El-Nino events in Peru”
  http://horizon.documentation.ird.fr/exl-doc/pleins_textes/pleins_textes_7/b_fdi_57-58/010023699.pdf
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:20am
oldpark

What a surprise, “Generation Snowflake” is alive in NZ. Seems the Warriors Rugby League team has caught the disease. Last nights performance against a pussy cat bulldogs team had to be seen to be believed. The “warriors” have been going 22 years,and last nights performance was a disgrace,and heads should roll,maybe the “term free range”,should also be investigated with the “warriors”,when the inquiry into chickens takes place. .
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March 18, 2017 8:10am
Southern Raider

The student visa scheme is a rort and provides no value to NZ

Last night I was leaving work and there was a young Indian man at reception. I asked him if I could help and he asked if we had any jobs, which I said sorry no we don’t. He kept pressing me about having one for him and ended up leaving me his CV.

Now I applaud his drive and getting out there as there is many young NZ born people who sit on their arse.

However apart from some technical college in India which he highlighted he got 69% pass mark from, he has been doing a network and server course at one of those no name Queen Street international education places. He is currently working at a produce place packing fruit and veges and “supporting email”.

Now I’m not against immigrants or foreigners coming to NZ. I’m married to one and employ lots at work. However the “skilled” category is just a joke if you look at the quality of people coming in and the education for visa scheme is even worse. There are a lot of people being given easy access to this country that provide no positive benefit.
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March 18, 2017 8:22am
- Harriet
  
  Aussie is exactly the same, under qualified ‘skilled’ immigrants, and no name unis ‘qualifying’ people in the most ba
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:31am
- itstricky
  
  Surely the ‘student’ category is different to the ‘skilled’ category? You seem to be equating the two of them together in your example?
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:35am
  - Southern Raider
    
    They are as bad as each other
    
    That’s why there is 50,000 Indian takeaway workers in Auckland with “degrees”
    
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    March 18, 2017 8:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Souther Raider , evidence ?
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:20am
      - holysheet
        
        What the point in supplying you with evidence, when you always ignore any that you don’t agree with.
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:45am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Stephie, evidence that you ever bother to look for yourself before you reach for your Trump card of asking for evidence?
        
        You are like a broken record!
        
        How about you provide evidence to the contrary (and no, not fake news evidence – solid, non-doctored evidence) everytime you blithely ask for ‘evidence?’
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:00am
      - stephieboy
        
        holysheet , not only evidence but facts .Quit the feeble evasions and excuses .
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:07am
      - holysheet
        
        Squirrel anyone?
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:12am
    - GoVege
      
      They may be Indian (or Chinese for that matter) takeaway workers this generation.
      Next generation their kids will be our doctors/business leaders.
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:59am
      - simpleton1
        
        I saw in a small provincial town, about a decade ago, where 2 local Maori families had taken on the running of 2 dairies.
        
        The interesting thing was that discipline was gained by the younger staff. Rosters worked out and adhered too. Early morning starts, and late evening finishes.
        Oh they did have their moments, learn from mistakes, but one could see that over time, that in that business they had to be on the go to service their customers, nor eat the profits.
        
        They were both run by respected elders, so the young staff were between a rock and a hard place, with all that critical family and peer pressure to make things work.
        
        There was competition and innovation was great,
        Like not only the standard fish and chips etc., but also kumara, pumpkin, parsnip chips. Good home made pies, marinated meat in garlic sauce.
        Always a great change and treat, particularly for out of towners.
        
        It is all gone now, Indians and Cambodians and Lebanese competitively run the businesses, with plenty of ‘V’ cola like drinks, potato chips.
        It is very noticeable that their staff are employed on ethnic lines, and often new to NZ.
        So now young locals seem to be just wandering the streets.
        
        It is difficult to give a hand up for the ones that are already in our community, so it was great to be able to support the ones that were making a difference, setting an example for others that they can do it, with some stick-ability, discipline.
        One could see the change in some of the young ones serving behind the till, as confidence in themselves improved.
        They were learning the inside skills of running a business with experience, consequences, discipline which can not be taught any other way.
        Balancing the till, gst, paye returns, food registration and licence fees, cleanliness standards, etc.
        That would apply in their lives, perhaps having fewer children,
        Feeding a dog costs money, then the hassle/cost of dog registration.
        Figuring that ‘smokes’ end up costing a lot of money.
        The GDP improved, as the young ones were working, and learning.
        Much better than lowering educational levels to get more ‘pass rates’. Basic arithmetic needed, gives greater understanding of mathematics.
        Language has to be more careful, when fronting the public.
        
        Robbing the till only robs your own whanau, and nothing is more fearsome than an aroused kaumatua.
        Loyality to the whanau is great, and that loyalty also extended to the good-will of that shop, and so to the public.
        All that can not be learned at school.
        
        Why do we not support the ones that are here?
        We do. Of course pay them the bene…
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:10pm
      - GoVege
        
        And I just love going to the hospital and dealing with a lovely, bright, friendly, polite, positive young Indian doctor/technician.
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:32pm
      - simpleton1
        
        Are you and the Dr./technician happy to pay increased taxes for the other ones on the benefit, plus their health issues that use a lot of those Dr. skills/costs up.
        So just import more seems from overseas, seems to be your answer.
        
        I have been worried that government have been wasting money on benefits, housing,etc..
        Seeing a glimpse of some our locals changing and raising themselves and surrounding family up is great.
        
        A part of that is when they are actively involved like in a small dairy business.
        
        I pointed out where some were starting to lift them selves out of the quagmire, and I know some that have gone on upward from those families.
        
        There is fundamental short fall of Drs./technicians, but we really need better basic education, better standards. life skills, experience, apprenticeships, mentors for our own to develop, instead of preferring an overseas technician.
        
        A very difficult thing to do, but expectations of them to be able to achieve these things should be expected/demanded, particularly of them selves.
        
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        March 18, 2017 2:28pm
      - GoVege
        
        Simpleton 1: I don’t mind at all paying taxes for immigrants who have only 1 to 3 kids and do a good job educating them.
        They will repay those taxes many times over.
        What I do mind is paying taxes for parents of 10 to 14 kids (and I meet them all the time ) who don’t bother to educate their kids and in fact make them babysit the younger kids when they should be in school.
        BTW….I just gave $5 to a Maori kid who said he was hungry.
        He took off as I was trying to tell him about the value of a trade.
        Never again…
        
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        March 18, 2017 5:48pm
      - simpleton1
        
        Oh happy to pay taxes for your self and chosen ones, but how do you divide your taxes up between those 1-3 and not the other 10-14 kids?
        
        Hey lets try something new. There seems to be a better neighbour, plus having a spare Dr and nurse/technician around.
        
        I know of the houses some of them have come from, and kids looking after kids, being meal tickets for the different partners. A very difficult cycle to break.
        
        The problem is that people want to own them, for their “bread ticket”, like political parties, unions, social welfare empires.
        
        The other part is the insidious peer pressure of “tall poppy” to cut down any one likely to get ahead. It is an attitude that is soul destroying.
        
        You could be right, to sort of throw those kids out to a Calcutta slum, no benefits, but still where no ones starves; there is always work; proviso is that they must work at something.
        Some rise up and even become millionaires.
        Do you see that working better?
        
        So would there be no problem with gangs then? as they learn to trade?.
        
        How much of your money are you prepared to pay for security? and taxes?
        
        Dam it, I know there is no easy answer, and I commend you for trying even with $5.00 as we all live and learn.
        That is why I was supportive of the locals getting up and having a go. I know they really had their ups and downs, particularly with their own whanau, but I could see some break through.
        
        It is persistence, consistence and perhaps some customizing, but the principles always remain the same. Understanding, motivation, evolving to self discipline, taking the small steps, so that horizons will expand.
        
        I just feel that we should not chuck our own out, and bring in whole lot of others.
        You would not do that with your own kids.
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:17pm
- doggone7
  
  No positive benefits? They have to live somewhere so that means housing has to be built. They have to use roads and footpaths and water so that means infrastructure has to be built/maintained/improved.
  
  That’s economic progress, that’s growth, that’s good.
  
  He may not have the job he wants but at least he won’t be lonely. Thousands more of his cobbers will join him this year. And there you go, activity for you too – getting a bigger cupboard to store random CVs or the effort of putting them in the rubbish
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:57am
  - Jack5
    
    Infrastructure is under huge pressure from the population surge. First housing, and soon the health, education, and welfare systems.
    
    Immigration-only based growth is a con. In the latest quarter, GDP per capita shrank.
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:19am
    - GoVege
      
      I prefer Indians to the natives, especially as neighbours.
      1) they have only 1 or 2 kids and educate them well (not 10 plus destined for gang membership or the DPB).
      2) they don’t rob us blind.
      3) they don’t keep us up at night with drunken parties
      4) they don’t keep pit bulls that threaten to take our hand off when clearing the letterbox
      5) they don’t beat up their wives on the lawn when drunk
      6) they don’t upset us calling their little girls the “c” word.
      So great to have Indian neighbours.
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:55am
      - Flash
        
        I recently overnighted at Palmerston North Hospital and my nurses were 2 Indian men from Northern India. They were efficient and good natured and kind. One had been here 6 years, the other 8. They had 2 kids apiece and one had a mum who lived with the family. They like living in New Zealand. I awarded them A1 citizenship.
        
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        March 18, 2017 8:26pm
  - ross411
    
    The sewerage system only exists to transport turds, that doesn’t mean you should find the least redeeming turds and fill it with them.
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:32am
  - Southern Raider
    
    As Jack5 states we have limited supply available to support immigrant growth.
    
    So why don’t we do what you normally do when demand massively exceeds supply, you put your prices up or in this case set a much higher benchmark for entry criteria.
    
    You can’t tell me paying $20K to some unknown education provider in Queen St for a Windows Server course is a good return on investment for NZ when it comes with a golden work permit?
    
    Or should we just open the gates completely?
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:21am
  - GoVege
    
    Indians are Caucasians too.
    They just moved east instead of west a few thousand years ago.
    That’s why our languages are similar.
    Raj/regent etc.
    
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    March 18, 2017 12:19pm
- Huevon
  
  Yes, he is showing initiative. But he should still go back.
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:47am
- GoVege
  
  Ah humbug, SR!
  They work hard, they don’t burgle houses, they only have 2 kids, they stick with their wives and kids, they don’t collect the bennie, they try to integrate, they are kind and friendly.
  What the heck more can you ask?
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:45am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    How many wives do they stick with?
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:13am
    - GoVege
      
      It’s Muslims who can have more than one wife, Chuck.
      (And some chauvinist church-going Polynesians. )
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:42am
      - sam green
        
        And some Mormons. And Happy Christian. And Bert Potter.
        
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        March 18, 2017 12:37pm
- Komata
  
  SR
  
  Approximately 20 years ago, I met a young Indian student who was trying very hard to stay in NZ; despite the fact that his course had finished, his visa had expired and he had no work prospects, Having experienced Western civilization, he did NOT want to go back to India. Others had made very serious efforts to help him with work etc., but all had ended in tears. Putting it succinctly, it was discovered that he couldn’t be trusted, and had to be supervised constantly. Eventually (and to the sighs of relief of those who had tried to assist) he was put on a place in Auckland, en-route to Bombay. He didn’t make it beyond Australia!! Evidently he got off the aircraft at Sydney and walked out of the terminal; never to be seen again…
  
  As far as I am aware, he is still at large, and now an ‘illegal’ in Australia.
  
  I subsequently had a conversation with Immigration NZ about him and was told that NZ Immigration policy at the time was not to accept Indian students into NZ as they were simply too much trouble and could not be trusted to either complete their courses or go back home when they had to do so – a situation confirming what I relate above.
  
  Evidently things have changed in respect of ‘policy’ towards Indian students, but, as recent events prove, the individuals themselves have not.
  
  One wonders why…
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:36am
  - realityczech
    
    We would all do the same given their circumstances. Its a hard place India.
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:38am
    - lifesgood
      
      Do you know how many live in India? Do you know how they breed? Do you seriously think we should open the door to all of them? I always think about who made a country the country it is and whether it is fair to let in people who have made their country what it is.
      
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      March 18, 2017 1:05pm
      - GoVege
        
        Indians are Caucasians too.
        They just moved east instead of west a few thousand years ago.
        That’s why our languages are similar.
        Raj/regent etc.
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:29pm
      - GoVege
        
        Who said “all”?
        Immigrants tend to do well because it takes a lot of drive to leave your homeland, no matter how poor.
        Did you know that a large percentage of immigrants from Ireland to the USA actually went back because they were so homesick?
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:36pm
  - GoVege
    
    Whatever that Indian fella is doing now, I can pretty much guarantee you he wont be collecting the dole.
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:44am
  - GoVege
    
    Many people from very poor countries have learned to be a bit light fingered in order to survive.
    Most soon learn it’s not acceptable here.
    Don’t be too pious.
    Mum told me that during WW2, the NZ and Oz troops were dubbed “the 40,000 thieves”.
    
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    March 18, 2017 12:07pm
    - Jack5
      
      GoVege smears NZ and Australian servicemen as thieves and praises the Indians flooding into NZ on the student entry rort. At least the Aussies and Kiwis didn’t switch sides like many of the Indians fighting in Burma.
      
      What is going to happen is that as the Asian proportion of the NZ population rises, Australia will close off open entry from NZ. Then young Indians will be really popular in NZ.
      
      NZ is a back door to Australia, and many of the Asians coming to NZ on the student visa rort plan to move to Australia when they get NZ residency.
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:31pm
      - GoVege
        
        I didn’t “smear” them…I only repeated what was apparently said about them by our allies.
        Others are happy to “smear” Indians.
        What I observe about Indians is they work hard, and are seldom in receipt of the dole.
        And I have never had an Indian ask me for money, like I was today by a Kiwi.
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:22pm
      - Jack5
        
        GoVege: someone pulled that quotation out of their hat.
        
        What 40,000? There were about 20,000 NZ’ers left in North Africa then Italy after Australia pulled back its troops to help the Americans fight Japan.
        
        GoVege’s source may be Martyn Thompson, nephew of a Kiwi soldier in North Africa, who interviewed veterans and wrote a book.
        
        In a report about this in the Hooerald in 2005 is this: “”Tiny Freyberg and his 40,000 thieves,” said one wit.” Freyberg didn’t have 40,000 men – more like half that number.
        
        What evidence is there that NZ soldiers were any more grabbing of loot and lost property than any other Allied Army? Read some of the US marine memoirs of the Pacific War, and you will find the marines were quick to “lift” gear, cigars, liquor etc. from other US services. Below is a link to a report about some real Allied thieves in Italy, and they were from the U.S. Army.
        
        Can I take it that, as a prominent vegan or vegetarian, GoVege is a pacifist? I trust that you are a New Zealander, GoVege. If your smears of NZ servicemen came from a foreigner, that would really get up some NZ nostrils.
        
        GoVege can praise Indians, and there are many Indians of good character who are good citizens, but there are also some like the guy on the West Coast who seems to be kingpin in a sewerage-system contract being awarded to the recently arrived owner of an Auckland cake shop.
        
        Allied soldier criminals:
        
        http://www.mcall.com/news/local/mc-schmiedel-war-deserter-gangster-20150711-story.html
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:58pm
Happychappy

When are the Media and Labour going to except that when Jacinda Ardern makes statements like this a week before Nicky Kaye responded that she is open to the criticism. Ardern’s words were “I have drafted a Private Members bill that is better than any thing National have done in its time in Government and i won’t see it implemented” ,now if you want to throw mud you need to be prepared for some to come back. Why would the media print this the day after she was elected Deputy Leader of Labour and then take a swipe at National and Kaye when Ardern set the ball in motion.
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March 18, 2017 8:23am
- oldpark
  
  Ardern is commonly known as” The Little Town Flirt” ties in with the song,where she flatters to deceive.What an indictment to have that title .
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:37am
  - itstricky
    
    Boy, you guys are going to town on the technical analysis of her bill this morning. Don’t stop now, it’s just getting interesting!
    
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    March 18, 2017 8:43am
  - RF
    
    Ardern is an Airhead. No substance to her pathetic uttering.
    
    I will never forget her and chubby cheeks Grant years ago pushing through the crowd lined up to see members of Lord of The Rings in Courtney Place. She was squealing like an excited piglet trying to get up close to the cast.
    
    That same day in the house she had been blasting Peter Jackson for using non union actors.
    
    What a two faced little b……..
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:19am
    - holysheet
      
      Don’t be afraid to say what you feel. If bitch is the word you want, just say it.
      I may be wrong, but I don’t think so.
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:48am
      - RF
        
        holysheet.
        
        Bitch… there I feel better now. I pondered on using the full word and had a moment of yeah / nah. The nah won.
        
        Thanks for the face slap.
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:55am
  - sam green
    
    Only in your head oldpark. Be sure to use some tissues – you don’t want sticky hands.
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:09am
- Komata
  
  Happychappy
  
  Why? Very simple; they are liabour party ‘stooges’ and will do all and anything to ‘bring down’ the Nats’.
  
  As with the vast majority of media world-wide, they simply cannot help themselves.
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:42am
Harriet

I will see you your Jihad.

And raise you just one Crusade. 😎

finally fixed that.
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March 18, 2017 8:25am
- PhilBest
  
  Every time this comparison comes up, people need to be reminded of a few crucial dates in history.
  
  The first Crusade was year 1098.
  
  Mohammed’s stormtroopers had conquered Palestine and North Africa by 720, Spain by 730, and the Battle of Tours was in 732 – the site being near present-day Paris. Charles Martel defeated the Mohammedan invaders or the history of Europe could have been quite different.
  
  The Mohammedans had attacked Constantinople several times over two centuries preceding the first Crusade. Constantinople did not fall until some centuries later, but at Manzikert, 1071, the Mohammedans inflicted a massacre-level defeat on the Byzantines, annexing much of its territory and emperiling all of Eastern Europe.
  
  Sooooo, “who started it”, and which mainstream religion looks to have had a desire for peace until provoked too far?
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:37am
  - stephieboy
    
    PhilBest why did it take so long for West Europe to initiate the Crusades ?Jerusalem fell to the Muslims 732 AD . 350 years later seems a long time to decide on a so called ” defensive ” war .
    
    Actually it was Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos who requested a Western crusade to help him fight the Seljuk Turks who were threatening on his shrinking empire ,
    
    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/10/the-crusades-were-great-actually.html
    
    I was the fourth crusade that witnessed an attack and sacking of Constantinople severely weakening the Byzantine Empire .
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:23am
  - Fletch
    
    Yup. Here is a timeline of Islam’s aggression and invasions. No defensive wars these but a plan of domination and conquest. According to stephieboy, that’s OK though. It’s the fighting back which is wrong.
    
    http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/imperialism/notes/islamchron.html
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:17am
EAD

It might be “politically incorrect” but this made me chuckle this morning. In the early 1900s white people kept primitive tribesmen in zoos for their amusement.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4323366/Photos-reveal-horrifying-human-zoos-early-1900s.html

Cue typical outrage from the Daily Mail branch of the MSM :

Inhumane shows held across the Western world were designed to emphasise the cultural difference between Europeans and people who were deemed primitive.

Our ancestors knew ours, and their, rightful place in the world in those days. Now we squander trillions uppn trillions on the completely unachievable task of trying to make all races “equal” all on the basis of some quack theory from Franz Boas.

PS: for all the downtickers, one question – do you expose yourself and your children to an “ethnically diverse” upbringing or do you pontificate from behind you gated walls?

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/03/libtards.html?m=0

excerpt:

On reflection the whole libtard (and please use that word – it infuriates them) Weltanschauungis a farrago of lies, hypocrisy and contradictions.

To wit:

They promote diversity yet the ‘logic’ of their race-mixing agenda means that all races will eventually merge into a coffee-coloured hybrid with all diversity lost.

They promote women’s ‘rights’ (e.g. full-term abortions, no-fault divorce) while advocating mass Muslim immigration and defending misogynistic Islamic practices……

They claim to be generous and giving whereas numerous studies (and my personal experience) have shown conservatives contribute more to charity.

They want to remove guns from Whites living in dangerous neighbourhoods but think it’s fine for celebrities and wealthy ‘liberals’ to be protected by armed guards…….

And that’s the whole point: That everything about them can be explained by their hostility to Whites, especially straight White men.

The best of ‘liberals’ are delusional fantasists, while the worst – the majority – are self-loathing virtue pimps, bullies and hypocrites who will eventually succumb to their self-annihilating ideologies.
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March 18, 2017 8:31am
- itstricky
  
  To borrow a phrase:
  
  A Nazi’s gotta be…
  
  PS. I love the quality of your arguments when they include “use this phrase, because it infuriates them”. Top shelf logic & wisdom.
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:39am
  - mikenmild
    
    A particularly enjoy him invoking the horrors of ‘no-fault divorce’.
    
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    March 18, 2017 8:45am
- MCos
  
  “Our ancestors knew ours, and their, rightful place in the world in those days.”
  Well they didn’t, apparently, otherwise NZ would have been left to the Maori, and I would have celebrated St Patrick’s Day back in Ireland.
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  ‘Cruel, shocking, haunting, terrible’. Yes we all get it, but in the early 1900s all kinds of people were exhibited at these events. These were Barnum & Bailey times, it was a cruel world, and some of our immigrants still have those stone age attitudes to other humans.
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:46am
  - SGA
    
    some of our immigrants still have those stone age attitudes to other humans.
    
    EAD is an immigrant? Who knew.
    
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    March 18, 2017 8:49am
    - itstricky
      
      LOL
      
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      March 18, 2017 8:49am
- itstricky
  
  They promote diversity yet the ‘logic’ of their race-mixing agenda means that all races will eventually merge into a coffee-coloured hybrid
  
  How come? Will someone come along and force me to breed with someone of an alternate race, with a different skin colour?
  
  Funny how it defaults to “coffee coloured” as well – no mention of Asian / Eurasian populations, talk about an obvious play to cultural biases.
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:47am
  - Inandout
    
    Some liberals are so disgusted at being born W.A.S.P. they will do anything to destroy their heritage. In the US it has become a mental condition as witnessed by their many numbers at anti Trump demonstrations, or at ‘anti racist’ rallies.
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:02am
    - realityczech
      
      ” anti Trump demonstrations, or at ‘anti racist’ rallies.”
      
      Those are the rallies where they scream for the killing and rape of people based on their skin colour.
      
      They are the rallies where the carefully planned mass murder of whites were carried out.
      
      All done by groups openly supported by the filthy black animal Obama…
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:05am
      - itstricky
        
        Let’s just say, for a second, he is a “filthy animal”. Why does it matter that he is a “black animal” rather than yellow, white, or pink one?
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:12am
      - realityczech
        
        itstricky, I agree entirely. His skin colour is not relevant.
        
        But here is the thing… Obama ran on a race card, his supporters made a lot of it, he divided the country along race lines, he even got a Nobel Prize for being black.
        
        You are happy to discuss race when its against whites, but not so comfortable being critical of “blacks”. White peoples wrongs are because of skin colour, but black peoples wrongs are not.
        
        Why the double standard ?
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:37am
      - itstricky
        
        itstricky, I agree entirely. His skin colour is not relevant.
        
        Why did you mention it, then?
        
        he even got a Nobel Prize for being black
        
        I thought it was for diplomacy and internation relations, as is the point of the Peace prize. Where is the statement from the Nobel Foundation that there are prizes for skin colour?
        
        You are happy to discuss race when its against whites, but not so comfortable being critical of “blacks”.
        
        Am I? I don’t belive that we have had such a conversation. How do you know that about me?
        
        White peoples wrongs are because of skin colour
        
        Again, I don’t believe I have ever said that to you, so how do you know that?
        
        Why the double standard ?
        
        As per last two statements, a double standard doesn’t exist, at least for me.
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:23am
      - GoVege
        
        Sh*t RC…all this time I thought you were being ironic!!
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:55am
    - itstricky
      
      So, your evidence is that “some” (no numbers) of liberals (only; further decreasing our sample size; loose definition of a subset of people) will deliberately (really?) breed with (must be black, not Asian or other, according to IS/EAD) skinned people?
      
      So far the numbers aren’t convincing me that everyone will end up coffee coloured.
      
      What about the non-self-hating liberals? What about the non-liberals? What about the non-black?
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:18am
  - Northland Wahine
    
    Oh itstricky, no one will force you to breed, you’re safe…
    
    Nowadays, as more mixed race children (or ethnically diverse for those more PC than I) and skin colour seems to becoming more lighter, than darker, it’s common practice amongst Maori to check for what use to be called a Mongolian spot on our kids bum. Sure sign of mixed blood heritage.
    
    Because I’m so fair skinned I recall my mother telling me that I must tell my kids to tell their kids and so on, about their mixed heritage, because those “throw backs” can skip generations and cause problems for relationships in the future.
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:08am
    - itstricky
      
      Oh itstricky, no one will force you to breed, you’re safe…
      
      Whew, for a second there I thought it was part of EAD’s “master plan”…
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:20am
    - SGA
      
      it’s common practice amongst Maori to check for what use to be called a Mongolian spot on our kids bum
      
      I’ve never heard of this practice. Would you mind explaining it a little more? Just curious.
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:20am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Common in Asian, Polynesian , American Indian babes
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongolian_spot
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:29am
      - Northland Wahine
        
        It’s like a dark bruise that appears normally on a new bornes bum, at the top of the cheeks. Most dark skinned colour races are born with it and it normally disappears within a year.
        
        I remember my ex mother in law for was a young woman during the 2nd world war recalling how a few of her friends who had liaisons with American soldiers ended up with dark skinned babies, having no idea that their beaus were of mixed heritage. She always appeared overly amused recalling those stories.
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:31am
      - SGA
        
        Thanks, I’ve learnt something new today 🙂
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:38am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      The “Mongolian spot” is a feature in Japanese babies as well. This supports the theory of native Taiwanese being the source of the Polynesians. (Please do not confuse native Taiwanese with Han Chinese from the mainland; they totally different ethnic groups.)
      
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      March 18, 2017 10:13am
      - ztev
        
        Totally different ? The real differences between races are miniscule.
        
        Take all the breeds of dogs, fairly diverse dont you think from Great Danes to chihuahuas and everything in between.
        
        All the worlds humans genetic diversity would easily fit in a single breed of dog . To describe humans as having ‘different races’ is just bizarre.
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:39am
      - Ross12
        
        ztev
        I note Odakyu-sen used the term “ethnic groups” which I think is different to your use of the word “race”.
        
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        March 18, 2017 11:01am
      - Jack5
        
        Polynesian languages support Odakyu-sen’s point about Taiwan origins of Polynesians, and so do DNA studies.
        
        http://www2.hawaii.edu/~yotsuka/course/PN_history.pdf
        
        (The above link gets interesting about page 13.)
        
        http://www.livescience.com/56382-original-polynesians-hailed-from-taiwan.html
        
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        March 18, 2017 6:49pm
      - realityczech
        
        DNA, Language and Archaeology, all confirm Polynesians and Maori came from Taiwan.
        
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        March 18, 2017 6:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        “The real differences between races are miniscule.”
        
        ztev Great. I can say what I like about niggers because basically am one. There can be no such thing as “racist” from this point forward, can there ?
        
        That is if you really believe your own words…
        
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        March 18, 2017 6:54pm
    - GoVege
      
      Problems? ??
      I noticed Polynesians are generally more racist than Caucasians.
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:05am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I noticed women are more sexist than men.
        
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        March 18, 2017 11:22am
      - sam green
        
        Ok.
        
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        March 18, 2017 12:43pm
  - SGA
    
    itstricky
    
    They promote diversity yet the ‘logic’ of their race-mixing agenda means that all races will eventually merge into a coffee-coloured hybrid
    
    What I find bizarre is the idea that some sort of “agenda” is necessary. For example, inter-group mixing in NZ has been going on since the early ships, the whalers, and the gum-diggers. Slave owners in the Caribbean and the US procreated with their slaves. If the DNA evidence is anything to go by, our early ancestors “got it on” with Neanderthals.
    As the geneticist/science writer, Adam Rutherford, puts it – humans are horny and mobile.
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:36am
    - itstricky
      
      Agreed. Probably because “agenda” forms a conspiratoral notion of a shadowy group i.e. (“libtards”) that one must rally one’s strength against in the eternal fight for what is good and true in the world.
      
      Truth: human nature.
      
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      March 18, 2017 10:28am
- RF
  
  EAD.
  I can remember when I was a young lad around 1950 going to a circus in Auckland and looking at some strange looking dark skin people who were on display. Some were obviously dwarfs dressed in strange clothing. Others wore loin cloths and I think some had spears. Not sure if they were in their native clothing or just dressed for the occasion. What ever they were supposed to be they sure scared me as my parents later told me I had burst into tears.
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:46am
  - sam green
    
    Just how old are you?
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:17am
    - RF
      
      I don’t kiss and tell. I was a very young lad who had just started primary school when I went to the circus.
      
      I still have vivid memories of an exhibit who did not have any legs and I think he was cut off at the waist. I believe that some how he did not have hips or a pelvis. Not sure how….
      
      He used his arms to support his half body with his hands as feet.
      
      I remember he had a white shirt and wore a red hat that I think is called a fez. I have never forgotten this as he had real strange eyes that were almost pleading.
      
      Scared the crap out of me. Shit I will have nightmares tonight.
      
      Single malt time.
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:22pm
- Komata
  
  EAD
  
  Re: ‘They promote diversity yet the ‘logic’ of their race-mixing agenda means that all races will eventually merge into a coffee-coloured hybrid with all diversity lost’.
  
  You would possibly recall the opening lines of the 1969 song ‘Melting Pot’ by Blue Mink. We thought it was soooo cool and hip to suggest such a thing, never, ever realising that for some it was going to become definitive public policy..
  
  How little we knew..
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:48am
stephieboy

EAD,

“PS: for all the downtickers, one question – do you expose yourself and your children to an “ethnically diverse” upbringing or do you pontificate from behind you gated walls?”

Yes, in the sense I was raised in family where we were encouraged to show empathy , tolerance and understanding for those who are different like Jews and Negroes ( of whom you detest , fear and hate ) Presumably it was otherwise in your household .

My children have a mother who is Asian and for whom tolerance of diversity has become natural as per my upbringing. The same with both our neighbourhood and the schools they attended . All a world away from you’re severely limited world of bigotry and hate .

Human Zoos ? Thought of opening yours with cardbaord cutouts of all those races ( including of course Jews ) whom you so fear and hate ?

Luckily we live in a society that does not decide who and whom you should marry based on your obnoxious racial defilement concepts.
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March 18, 2017 9:07am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well said, stephieboy,
  
  Luckily we live in a society that does not decide who and whom you should marry based on your obnoxious racial defilement concepts.
  
  Now why have you been trying to slander my name here for weeks?
  Your view above is precisely mine
  
  Do you imagine a pure Aryan like me would ever have been able to breed with a mongol/slav in times past.?
  Why have you ever tried to associate me with EAD’s right-wing racist views?
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:40am
  - EAD
    
    Hi Maggy,
    
    as one of the best commentators on here, I make sure I read your posts on GD.
    
    Just for my reference, can you please provide a linked example of my “racist” views so at least I have the opportunity to rebut what has become in the Western World the worst possible accusation?
    
    I’ve often discussed how different races have different attributes but I don’t see how this is so called “racsist” (the most over used and over hyped word in the English language).
    
    Regards,
    EAD
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:51am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @EAD
      
      I’m happy to go back and look for them, but a bit pushed for time this fine morning…
      
      but it will be to do with your posts on race and IQ.
      
      IQ measures are a load of hocus-pocus in my opinion.
      
      And I don’t have much regard for race theory.
      
      Hope that helps
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:58am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        IQ scores measure one’s proficiency in IQ tests. The next step is to look for correlations (at this point, politics steps in and the reviews become interesting.)
        I would be more in favor of tests that measure attributes such as:
        – Ability to defer gratification
        – Ability to “turn the other cheek” (when insulted alone)
        – Ability to “turn the other cheek” (when insulted in front of one’s peers)
        – Ability to retrain oneself from striking one’s partner
        – Level to which one gives positive affirmation to one’s partner
        – Degree that one sacrifices self for one’s nuclear family
        – Level of concern that one has for offspring’s scholastic attainment level
        – Importance of “monogamy with one’s partner”
        – Level of concern for welfare of parents in their old age
        – etc., etc.,
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:21am
      - EAD
        
        thanks Maggiy for clarifying,
        
        I stand by all my statements on race and IQ and yes, I’ll even admit to the surprise of many on here that the Jewish nation has an average 9 points higher IQ higher than us humble European…
        
        Perhaps we can discuss on a winters day when the weather is not so magnificent!
        
        Speaking of which – we’re about to go for a drive to the beach 🙂
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:22am
      - realityczech
        
        Odakyu-sen and black Africans would come out at the bottom, same as they do with an ordinary IQ test.
        
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        March 18, 2017 11:24am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @EAD
      Every single person who praises diversity is, wittingly or unwittingly, promoting white genocide.
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/general_debate_28_february_2017.html#comment-1881961
      
      Let’s just use this sentence of yours to show what I believe.
      I do not abhor the mixing of genetic material between the different human populations.
      I love dearly my mixed race children. To most folks’ eyes they are pakeha/european…. but Mr Hitler knew different… their daddy is not of good “white” stock.
      I love my maori/pakeha rellies; I love my friends’
      PI/pakeha, Nepalese/pakeha, Korean/pakeha, Indian/maori kids.
      
      Now you may consider that your views are not racist… and I don’t imagine for one moment that you treat anyone of mixed heritage in a degrading manner… but your belief (as I understand it) of separate development for folks of different ethnicities sure encompasses my definition of racism.
      
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      March 18, 2017 10:48am
      - Komata
        
        Maggie
        
        Re: ‘I do not abhor the mixing of genetic material between the different human populations’.
        
        But what if their SOCIETIES do? many years ago i was the unfortunate witness to a romance between a young couple which was destroyed totally by the young lady’s ethnic group. he was a European New Zealander, she was Fijian Indian. They made a lovely couple. Both in their late ’20’s. They were intending to marry. NOT SO said her parents. Indian girls are to marry ONLY Indian me! Everything stopped and a ‘real’ (genuine, ‘Indian’) man was imported from Suva for the purpose of marriage. As onlookers I and my fellow staff-members couldn’t believe what we were seeing; and this in the late ‘liberated; Twentieth century. The marriage subsequently occurred (only Indians to attend; by invitation) and the now ‘Mrs’ subsequently left the company.
        
        Despite all the rhetoric about ‘liberation’ by the feminists, it is noticeable that they do not (dare?) tackle this issue, and, indeed, doubt that they would have the courage to do so.
        
        On that basis, I would interested in your thoughts as to how this ‘keeping it in the culture’ situation can be changed, or if in fact it actually can be changed. after all, 1.252 billion Indians can’t be wrong – or can they?
        
        Thank you.
        
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        March 18, 2017 12:09pm
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        The “Anglo-Saxon” race, like the “Japanese” race are a real mixture of genotypes. The former’s phenotype appears superficially to be more diverse, due to a wider observable variation in hair and eye color; while the latter appears on the surface to be more homogeneous, due to the dominant black hair/brown eye gene. Look a little more closely at your Japanese stock and you will notice individuals who appear to hail from
        – Northern China
        – Southern China
        – SE Asia
        – The Russian Far East
        – Samoa
        (Do not be distracted by hair/eye color.)
        
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        March 18, 2017 12:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Komata
        
        your Indian arranged marriage story is very similar to one I have witnessed… marriage didn’t last, Indian female now has pakeha boyfriend, but basically she is no longer a member of her old society.
        
        I have no answer, in the short term, for how to break down cultural prejudices against living with and marrying folks from different groups, especially if folks intend living within a prejudiced community.
        
        But my observations of young kids playing with each other, studying together, is that cultural and racial differences are hardly noticed until some-one starts banging on about the matter.
        
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        March 18, 2017 12:41pm
    - calendar girl
      
      “as one of the best commentators on here, I make sure I read your posts on GD.”
      
      Your use / positioning of the word “I” signals to your reader – in grammatical terms – that it is you yourself whom you are describing as “one of the best commentators on here”.
      
      I have some doubts that that was your intention. Can you clarify, please, one way or the other?
      
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      March 18, 2017 3:33pm
- EAD
  
  Stupidboy,
  
  What Savant and I highlight is that in a world with “diversity” as defined by the liberal left MSM, there actually is no “diversity”.
  
  So the question then becomes – why do you use phrases like “race defilement”? Have you been reading too much Benjamin Disraeli?
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD, have you read too much Mein Kampf ?
    
    Race defilement was a part of Nazi racial ideology that claimed interracial marriage was impure contaminating and threatening the Nordic Ayryan ( Germanic ) gene pool.]
    
    How do you differ from this ?
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:04am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  lololo
  
  Luckily we live in a society that does not decide who and whom you should marry
  
  … unless of course we continue to ship in muslim refugees for whom it is natural for their society to decide which underage girls should be married to adult pedophiles.
  
  And I’m not sure referencing your (no doubt) wonderful and long suffering Asian spouse as any kind of example supports your rationale about anything. In my experience, you can bring as many non-Muslim Asians as you like into NZ – for the post part one generation later they are assimilated and are as Kiwi as a bag of kumaras (not bludging in ghettos festering with cultural loathing of the host nation like muslims do).
  
  Comparing apples with a hand grenade isn’t a illustrative comparison of anything other than your blind faith in the holiness of the religion of diversity.
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:08am
  - mikenmild
    
    Snigger. Guess which part of the world decided this week to leave the legal age for marriage at 13 for girls?
    
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    March 18, 2017 7:05pm
    - realityczech
      
      Hard to say milky, in most of Europe and staunchly Catholic South America it is around that age. Can you narrow it down for us ?
      
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      March 18, 2017 7:16pm
      - mikenmild
        
        New Hampshire.
        
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        March 18, 2017 7:32pm
- Jack5
  
  So one of the Stephies says he is very liberal. Good for him. Some of the others who write under the Stephie pseudonym and promote Islam are far from liberal.
  
  The varying writing styles and grasps of English grammar and vocabulary show there are at least three persons writing under the “Stephieboys” pseudonym.
  
  And contrast the purported liberal and restrained views of the 9.07 Stephie with the Stephie at 9.39, a little further down this thread, accusing someone of being descended from a pig. Same writer? No way.
  
  The 9.07 post purporting to represent a single “Stephieboy” is therefore devious, misleading, and dishonest.
  
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  March 18, 2017 7:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops, the second post by the different “Stephie” is at 9.37, not 9.39.
    
    The lie by purporting that there is only one “Stephie” is an example of taqiyya. This is the Islamic exemption that endorses Muslims who lie to non-Muslims.
    
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    March 18, 2017 7:10pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The stephieboy that queried where had he ever said I used alt-right sources
      http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_18_march_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1893061
      and later tried formulating a response to my evidence, is clearly not the same stephieboy who was operating on this blog on Feb 22nd, 23rd and subsequently.
      
      Today’s stephieboy seems to have no idea of what crap has been written on KB by someone else operating as “stephieboy”.
      
      Either that, or stephieboy has no memory of what he posts on this site.
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:35pm
      - Kea
        
        The boy lives in an alt-reality Maggy. The usual rules of reason and integrity breakdown and can not be properly applied when considering his demented commentary.
        
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        March 18, 2017 11:39pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        He does seem to have different personas…
        
        but I couldn’t for one moment think he was capable of operating different personalities with attendant grammars at the same time.
        
        I’m in agreement with Jack… different folks operate as stephieboy.
        
        There’s only one bird on here that is clever enough to swoop in and out with different plumage.
        
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        March 18, 2017 11:52pm
kowtow

The MSM obsess over the so called dangers Trump poses and yet the real danger is Islam, here’s its leading proponent.

“The place in which you are living and working is now your homeland and new motherland. Stake a claim to it. Open more businesses, enroll your children in better schools, make your family live in better neighborhoods, drive the best cars, live in the most beautiful houses.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/erdogan-calls-turkish-families-have-five-children-bulwark-against/
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March 18, 2017 9:08am
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow , Putin has moreoless the same thing in mind awarding the Order of Parental Glory for those with large families,
  
  http://russia-insider.com/en/society/putin-presents-medals-parents-seven-or-more-children/ri7676
  
  He like Erdogan is encouraging Russians to have larger familes and up the birthrate .
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/10/putin-paying-women-have-children-inside-russias-super-families/
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:16am
  - realityczech
    
    stephieboy, I know the concept of families is disturbing to a young gay Muslim boy like yourself, but ethnic indigenous Russians have a right to be proud of their unique cultural identity.
    
    Speaking of families, have you heard word from yours in Gitmo ?
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:21am
  - Inandout
    
    Allah has ordered your lot to breed like flies and produce religious robots. At least the Russian mothers can produce a better quality of human.
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , which factory farm were you sired from ?
      
      http://animalwelfaretaiwan.webs.com/pig_gestation_crates.jpg
      
      LOL
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:37am
      - Inandout
        
        Two minutes to reply, using links from your library of answers. Or does your mosque mate help out?
        
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        March 18, 2017 9:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inanout , answer the question please .
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:31am
      - holysheet
        
        You mean like this one stupidboy?
        
        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzLhnHrCQAISOsx.jpg
        
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        March 18, 2017 3:03pm
jonar

I’d like to hear what the Trumpkins opini on would be if Trump went to another country and the leader of that country refused to shake his hand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/90579146/Donald-Trump-Angela-Merkel-hold-first-face-to-face-meeting-at-White-House
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March 18, 2017 9:10am
- Nukuleka
  
  Of course this is just fake news. Trump did shake Merkel’s hand. How many times is he supposed to keep on doing it just to satisfy the likes of you, jonar?
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  The Merkel’s body language shows it all. She knows her days are numbered as a politician and a Quisling.
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:38am
  - stephieboy
    
    Though she will take some heart from the Dutch poll where your great white hope Geert Wilder did realtively lamely .
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:42am
    - Inandout
      
      The swing was to the right stephie, and remember Rome wasn’t built in a day. As Europe begins to disintegrate with high crime and social disorder, and their culture is in dire need of saving, you will see a push back. It won’t be pretty.
      
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      March 18, 2017 10:15am
      - Manolo
        
        Why would Europe disintegrate? They are importing hordes of lovely, peaceful and hard-working Muslims.
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:20pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie Z at 9.42 writes Wilder “did relatively mildly”.
        
        This Stephie has no grasp of idiomatic English,,
        
        Have a look higher in the thread at the Stephie who posted at 9.07 (see the post highlighted in down-tick pink) and whose post included this English:
        
        My children have a mother who is Asian and for whom tolerance of diversity has become natural as per my upbringing.
        
        I may have been hasty in concluding in a post above that two of the Stephies were posting in this, the same thread, today.
        
        It could be that just one is rostered on today.
        
        If so, clearly this rostered-on Stephie was not raised and educated in NZ, and his English is aligned with that of his Stephiestani mum, not his father, who, he silently implies, is a Kiwi or overseas native English speaker.
        
        Still given taquiyya, we can disregard pretty much everything the Stephieboy Islamic troll team members say about themselves.
        
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        March 18, 2017 7:22pm
      - realityczech
        
        “My children have a mother who is Asian and for whom tolerance of diversity has become natural as per my upbringing.”
        
        That does not read like it was written by a native speaker. Maybe one of stupidboys relatives has been released from Gitmo ?
        
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        March 18, 2017 7:26pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Her English.
        It’s his Chinese wife.
        Ni Hao Mrs Stephie.
        Funny huh. She writes better English than him!
        But he’s old and getting on.
        
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        March 18, 2017 7:59pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      ‘realtively lamely’? His party moved from the number 3 spot to the number 2 spot? Not sure what ‘realtively lamely’ means in that context.
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:50am
      - Kimbo
        
        Not sure what ‘realtively lamely’ means in that context.
        
        A classic example of Kimbo’s law*. You can’t polish a turd of an argument, but you can roll it in glitter.
        
        * “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs”
        
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        March 18, 2017 11:58am
    - GoVege
      
      Kind of hurts your ability to campaign when you need armed bodyguards everywhere you go to protect you from murdering Islamists and their supporters.
      Wonder how many other politicians have to wear a bullet-proof vest?
      GWH or not, Wilders is a very brave man.
      
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      March 18, 2017 1:16pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Jonar! What an insightful and wise question to pose – it really opens the mind up to fabulous possibilities for opining in the same facile fashion…. I wonder what it’ll feel like, better give it a go ….
  
  “I wonder what anti-Trumpists would think if they woke up one day and their families had been murdered by muslim suicide bombers at a wedding?”
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39215496
  
  Wow! I just felt all filled up with a sort of pompous fatuousness that was akin to pooping in my own mouth – that must’ve been why you posted your one?
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:15am
Notsofast

It is interesting to see a man freed because the prosecution withheld evidence from the defence.

“””Wilson had maintained his innocence since the day he was arrested for the stabbing death of a 21-year-old man in 1984. The man was sleeping in his truck when he was fatally stabbed. His girlfriend Saladena Bishop was also in the truck. Wilson’s attorneys said the prosecution withheld key pieces of evidence concerning the main witness.

According to the innocence project, Bishop picked Wilson out in a line up only after a police officer pointed to Wilson’s photo asking: ‘What about him?’ Before Wilson’s trial, police had deemed Bishop an unreliable witness because she had once filed a false police report accusing someone of kidnapping and attempted rape. Then there was Bishop’s friend, who had revealed to the trial prosecutor that Bishop had stabbed her boyfriend in the past and was likely the killer. Loyola’s innocence project says none of that evidence was handed over to Wilson’s defense attorney.”””

Here is some withheld evidence in Lundy

“Eleven years after Lundy’s jury trial in Palmerston North, the report had never been seen by any of his lawyers. It contained neuropathologist Dr Heng Teoh’s opinion about the reliability of human tissue samples taken from a polo shirt found in Lundy’s car.

Dr Teoh thought the samples had degenerated to such an extent that Lundy, now 54, should not be convicted on the tissue evidence alone.

The Crown argued that the officer in charge of the murder inquiry, Detective Inspector Ross Grantham, had mentioned talking to Dr Teoh in a notebook entry supplied to the trial defence team, so was not “suppressing” the information.”

Inspector Grantham did not just talk to Teoh, he had a letter from Teoh that he withheld for those 11 years.

For this post, an uptick means you were aware of this letter Grantham withheld, a down tick means you were unaware.
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March 18, 2017 9:19am
- Notsofast
  
  While on the subject, brain tissue if unpreserved is unrecognisable after 72 hours. This substance on the shirt had some filamentary structure after 6 months, which means it contained preservative. This is common of course in manufactured meats such as sausage and so on.
  This is the core of the issue, by a conjuring trick everyone was gazing at preserved tissue which absolutely could not be brain that flew through the air and landed on the shirt, or that was accidentally smeared by a killer. By definition this would be un preserved.
  Oh what a glorious hoax for true blue kiwis to swallow.
  
  Interestingly the substance known definitively to be brain that landed on the telephone was completely unidentifiable by neuropathologists who were asked to examine it without being told what they were looking at.
  Yep, those are the stark and miserable facts.
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:36am
Dave_1924

Hmmm – I don’t know if I have seen an article criticise the education system that actual pokes holes in teachers as well as others. It even digs into ethnicity!!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11820523

And in the Herald no less…..
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March 18, 2017 9:23am
- ross411
  
  Do you expect consistency to somehow arise from within a torrent shitty journalism?
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:35am
cha

Idiot in chief cites Albasheer Adam Alhassan’s great Irish proverb.

The poetry enthusiast, who lives in Katsina, is a business manager at First Bank of Nigeria.
Appearing at a luncheon with Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny on Thursday, Trump said: “As we stand together with our Irish friends, I’m reminded of that proverb — and this is a good one, this is one I like. I’ve heard it for many, many years and I love it. ‘Always remember to forget the friends that proved untrue. But never forget to remember those that have stuck by you.'”
“We know that, politically speaking. A lot of us know that, we know it well. It’s a great phrase,” Trump added.
But many Irish tweeters pointed out that they had never heard Trump’s proverb before.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/17/politics/trumps-irish-proverb-nigerian-poem/index.html?
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March 18, 2017 9:25am
- realityczech
  
  This is what happens folks when you base your view of the world on “tweets”
  
  Virtue signalling petty minded retard
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:29am
  - cha
    
    Cretin, meet cretin.
    
    Trump: “Germany has done very well in its trade deals with the United States.”Actually: Germany has no trade deals with the United States.— Binyamin Appelbaum (@BCAppelbaum) March 17, 2017
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:32am
    - realityczech
      
      tweet tweet tweet tweet…
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:41am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Germany has no trade AGREEMENT with the US.
      But there has certainly been plenty of trading and deals done between the two countries.
      So fail Twittercretin.
      
      ‘In 2015, the United States became Germany’s fourth largest supplier of goods and the U.S. became Germany’s leading export market. Germany exported goods worth more than $125 billion to the United States and U.S. exports to Germany totaled $50 billion.’
      
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      March 18, 2017 12:43pm
      - cha
        
        The US has an AGREEMENT with the EU.
        
        btw, did Louis ever reply?.
        
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        March 18, 2017 3:28pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No it doesn’t.
        It’s proposed.
        It’s not finalised yet.
        Fuck you are thick.
        
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        March 18, 2017 8:59pm
Happychappy

So we now know for sure that Dim Dot Com’s moment of truth Email has been deemed a forgery by the SFO and all his loyal band of supporters led by the Political prostitute and former leader of the Internet Party will have to eat humble Pie. Now can this Idiot be deported and lets hope he has to pay for the inquiry.
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March 18, 2017 9:25am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Understood that loud and clear happy! And yes, deport the beady eyed looking prick!
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:34am
  - Happychappy
    
    I am pleased it is to your satisfaction I feel better and wont lose any sleep tonight now thanks. Ha ha
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:55am
  - GoVege
    
    Hasn’t he got 5 Kiwi kids here, 2/3 with autism?
    What happens to them?
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:16am
stephieboy

Trump has found yet another useful diversion from his idiocy ,

Military action against North Korea ‘an option’, warns Rex Tillerson

US secretary of state says policy of strategic patience has ended due to threat posed by Pyongyang’s nuclear weapons programme

A pre-emptive US military strike against North Korea may be necessary if the threat posed by its nuclear weapons programme reaches a level that “requires action”, the US secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, has warned.

Speaking in Seoul on the second day of a visit to the Asia-Pacific region, Tillerson said Washington’s policy of “strategic patience” towards the regime in Pyongyang had ended.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/17/military-action-against-north-korea-an-option-warns-rex-tillerson
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March 18, 2017 9:29am
- realityczech
  
  ‘We could destroy you,’ Obama warns ‘erratic’ North Korean leader
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/26/us-developing-missile-shield-to-guard-against-nuclear-attack-fro/
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:43am
  - stephieboy
    
    rc, what Rex Tillerson called ” strategic patience ” which he says now has ended .
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:47am
    - realityczech
      
      It what you call typical tribal militant aggressive and murderous African behaviour.
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The USA has provided North Korea with $1.3 Billion (yes , Billion) in humanitarian aid (food and energy assistance) since 1995.
      It sent $1 million in aid earlier this year, following Typhoon Lionrock.
      http://www.voanews.com/a/united-states-humanitarian-aid-goes-to-north-korea/3692811.html
      It’s this type of patience….. that USA is getting tired of providing.
      
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      March 18, 2017 10:31am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff, so should innocent North Koreans suffer because ” that USA is getting tired of providing ” ?
        
        Famine and potential starvation now a weapon of US geo politics ?
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Stephieboy,
        I will answer this question when you attend to my question to you at 9:40am
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_18_march_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1892811
        
        And I will spell it out for you again..
        Why have you tried for the last 3 weeks or so to associate my name with right-wing literature and racist views?
        
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        March 18, 2017 10:55am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        why you are thinking about a reply to me… you might like to ask yourself whether I have ever posted anything on KB that wishes or advocates harm to another human being.
        
        Why would I want any group of people to endure hardship and starvation?
        why do you even think that I would advocate for this?
        you are aware that I read and speak Korean (badly) and was in South Korea (for the 4th time) last year.
        
        Is your slimey question to me yet another attempt to smear my name?
        
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        March 18, 2017 11:12am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff, you then provide your inerpretation of the import or otherwise of the US ‘s humanitarian aid to North Korea .
        
        Again I find your intent rather obscure.
        
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        March 18, 2017 12:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        Again I find your intent rather obscure.
        
        I can’t be responsible for your lack of comprehension.
        Most people find my meaning is quite clear.
        They find no need to ascribe meanings that are not there to the material I post.
        
        You have still failed to explain why you have linked my name to alt-right literature and why you constantly try to smear me with racist attitudes.
        
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        March 18, 2017 12:46pm
      - Tirebiter
        
        First, the Voice of America is one of the oldest propaganda organs of the US intelligence community. What they report may be perfectly legitimate, but I’d confirm anything they claim with other – unrelated sources. But if my memory is still working Clinton worked out a deal with the crazy quilt emperor family of the magic kingdom of N Korea where the US would send them food aid and the magic kingdom would halt its nuclear program. Neither side kept their side of the deal and the deal feel apart. Make of that what your view of the world will.
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W , when have I linked your name to alt right literature ?
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:57pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Maggy W , when have I linked your name to alt right literature ?
        
        Are you kidding me?
        
        Do you have a short-term memory problem?
        
        Your first reference to me being an alt-righter was here
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/general_debate_22_february_2016-2.html#comment-1878204
        
        Your linking me directly to using alt-right sources is here:
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/general_debate_22_february_2016-2.html#comment-1878211
        
        You spent much of your time trying to dissemble your way out of the slurs against me on 23 February GD
        Here Calendar Girl summarises some of the posts
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/general_debate_23_february_2017.html#comment-1879098
        
        I had asked for an apology back in February… did you forget that you refused to give one, told me to get over myself and asked me if I was an Islamaphobe?
        
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        March 18, 2017 2:22pm
      - calendar girl
        
        Well done, Maggy @2:22pm – game, set and match to you. I’m now convinced that stephieboy has been stalking you. His refusal to offer you even a token apology and withdrawal is reprehensible.
        
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        March 18, 2017 4:09pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W , on the basis of thsoe links I see ,
        
        1 There was oo attempt to suggest that you are an alt righter or that you were associated with Neo Nazi organisation.. It was actually a suggestion by me to use caution with those kind of links because some were associated with Neo Nazi or White Nationaist groups
        
        2, Like most of my responses as per the first one it was framed in the form of question for you simply to say aye or nay. Much like my one today 10.36am .
        I take no responsibility for your reactions or over reactions..
        
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        March 18, 2017 5:19pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        #1 is manifestly untrue.
        It was me using the term alt-write in the posting above the first link I gave here, that was trying to indicate to you that you were brandishing around a term here on KB with little regard to its true meaning
        viz:http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/general_debate_22_february_2016-2.html#comment-1878179
        
        #2. Your questions are not framed as simple yay or nays.. they take the form of nasty insinuations.
        I dealt with this common feature of your postings here:
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/general_debate_23_february_2017.html#comment-1879017
        
        Reid has also highlighted your use of slimey questions.
        
        I suggest you go back and read the entire load of postings on GD on the 23rd February and follow through with some of the other nasty insinuating posts you have made here on KB against me over the past few weeks.
        
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        March 18, 2017 6:00pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    That was mean realityczech – mustn’t point out stephie’s hypocrisy and selective listening problem to [[him/her/pcgenderneutralpronounofchoice]] caused by his untreated Trump Derangement Syndrome.
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:18am
KevOB

Enjoy:
Obama goes to Hawaii.
Hawaiian Judge issues injunction.
Plaintiff is ranking Muslim Brotherhood Imam.
Order is 43 pages.
Released after only two hours.
Extends USA entry rights to all worldwide.
USA constitution extended accordingly.
Blocks all other federal Courts from their review of his order.
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March 18, 2017 9:46am
- stephieboy
  
  KevOB,
  
  Ismail Elshikh: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
  
  Ismail Elshikh is the Imam of the Muslim Association of Hawaii. This organization is located in Manoa, Honolulu, and it consists of approximately 4,000 Muslims from the state, according to the group’s website.
  
  In early February, the Muslim Association of Hawaii and several other groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union of Hawaii, held a press conference on the steps of the Honolulu Federal Building speaking about the rights of immigrants and refugees in light of President Donald Trump’s recent travel ban.
  
  “The reason immigrants have sought refuge and a home in the United States, and what binds us together in our own diversity, is our shared commitment to treat each other equally under the law regardless of creed, color, background, or birthplace,” an ACLU press release said. “Diversity and these shared commitments not only define who we are, but also make us stronger and unique among other countries. The executive orders are a direct attack against these shared commitments, seeking to divide us and ultimately, making us weaker. Together, we must stand firm and defend the values that define who we are as a community, state, and country…”
  
  etc, etc , etc
  
  http://heavy.com/news/2017/03/ismail-elshikh-hawaii-imam-muslim-islam-association-egypt-syria-wife-children-mother-in-law-travel-band-lawsuit/
  
  There is no evidence who is a member of the Muslim Brother hood other than WND’s say so .
  
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  March 18, 2017 9:57am
  - realityczech
    
    Working With the Muslim Brotherhood
    
    CAIRO — Perhaps the most radical change in U.S. foreign policy under President Obama has occurred here in Egypt, where the Muslim Brotherhood, long shunned as a collection of dangerous Islamist extremists, is now the de facto object of American support.
    
    Not only that: Ultraconservative Salafist politicians, who make the Brotherhood seem like moderate pragmatists, are now regular visitors to the U.S. Embassy
    
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/opinion/roger-cohen-working-with-the-muslim-brotherhood.html
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:06am
  - realityczech
    
    OBAMA BACKED MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD EGYPT COUP AGAINST NATIONAL SECURITY TEAM ADVICE
    
    http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/262209/obama-backed-muslim-brotherhood-egypt-coup-against-daniel-greenfield
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:07am
    - ztev
      
      How did they have a coup?
      They won the elections, there was a generals coup that removed them from power.
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:15am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  The really great thing is that every time the Leftards start breaking the rules to “OPPOSE” they don’t think about the implications.
  
  Trump’s going to get 8 years to stack the courts with Rightards the way that the Kenyan stacked them with Lefttards. If the Dems ever win again – can you imagine the judicial activist pickle they’re going to find themselves tied up in? The Right always does dirty waaay better than the Left!
  
  They don’t get the irony of Trump EOing everything is a direct relation to Obama doing exactly the same whenever he couldn’t convince anyone other than himself of his policies.
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:21am
  - GoVege
    
    A half Caucasian man raised by his Caucasian mum and maternal grandparents = a Kenyan?
    
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    March 18, 2017 12:11pm
    - realityczech
      
      Vege, it gets funnier though. Obama ancestors were linked to slaves…. on his white mothers side LOL 🙂
      
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/post/obama-descended-from-slave-ancestor-researchers-say/2012/07/30/gJQAUw4BLX_blog.html?utm_term=.72d5c11185b3
      
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      March 18, 2017 2:06pm
      - GoVege
        
        I just don’t get this stupid racism RC.
        Thomas Jefferson’s second wife was a mixed race woman but he had to keep their relationship a secret.
        Then when he died, she was evicted from their home by his all-white relatives.
        Apparently even today, the descendants of TJ’s first (whiter) wife snub the descendants of his second (less white) one, Sally.
        As for checking your baby’s butt for “Mongolian spots”….words fail me….
        
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        March 18, 2017 6:09pm
  - stephieboy
    
    DP, the former President is not a Kenyan though his father was .
    
    “The Right always does dirty waaay better than the Left!”
    
    Like here ? ,
    
    https://hbr.org/product/the-great-recession-2007-2010-causes-and-consequences/910M08-PDF-ENG
    
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    March 18, 2017 2:01pm
- ztev
  
  Cant block other Federal courts ?
  Trump will go to the Appeal Court in San Francisco to stay the court order
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:17am
reid3

What does this and this and this have to do with this and this and…
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March 18, 2017 10:13am
- reid3
  
  …this and this and this and this and this:
  
  “In my 30 year history in the Drug Enforcement Administration and related agencies, the major targets of my investigations almost invariably turned out to be working for the CIA.” — Dennis Dayle, former chief of an elite DEA enforcement unit.
  
  Sorry, if you put so many links in a single post you get bounced because idiot WordPress thinks its spam. Aren’t computers stooooooooooooopid.
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:22am
  - reid3
    
    For those who doubt the CIA connection to drugs and evidently there are a few, here’s the article I took the quote from.
    
    http://fpif.org/the_cia_contras_gangs_and_crack/
    
    Interestingly enough the author, Gary Webb, commited suicide by shooting himself in the face, twice, just before the movers arrived to shift him to the new home he’d just bought.
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:45am
- stephieboy
  
  reid , so its Ok for Trump to consort with these gillded Billinonaires,
  
  https://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/12/09/all-the-presidents-billionaires-a-guide-to-trumps-gilded-inner-circle/#165707104694 ?
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:39am
  - reid3
    
    No not really stephie but it’s hardly surprising he knows one or two, is it.
    
    Why do you ask?
    
    What does the one thing have to do with the other?
    
    And why did you ask that out of the blue, when it has absolutely zero connection to anything I’ve posted, not just this morning, but ever?
    
    If you think there is some connection, then pray explain it, lest everyone here think you’re just frightfully dumb, and you wouldn’t want that, would you.
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      I fail to see the connection between the former President , his wife and Warren Buffet , Silcion Valley and Drug cartels etc .
      
      You present the factual evidence .Not your typical linking the dots chasing conspiracies and ghosts .
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:53am
      - realityczech
        
        “I fail to see the connection”
        
        And that is exactly why you should shut your mouth and learn boy.
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:17pm
      - reid3
        
        Yes I’m afraid stephie you fail to see a lot of connections.
        
        But no worries, you’ll no doubt see them in the not too distant future as things develop.
        
        I’m sure you’re not the only one on this blog who doesn’t, if it makes you feel any better.
        
        We do have rather a lot of sheeple here, evidently.
        
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        March 18, 2017 1:57pm
      - realityczech
        
        “We do have rather a lot of sheeple here”
        
        Its a stock yard reid.
        
        It should be zoned rural. I hope DPF has resource consent. 🙂
        
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        March 18, 2017 2:03pm
- KevOB
  
  If it is true that a 43 page written judgement was handed down after only 2 hours of the hearing ending it plainly was no judgement but a prepared political document. The judge should be impeached.
  
  There is rumour too that the judge was also a classmate of Obama at law school. If so, did Obama have a have a prior hand in drafting the document? It is reported that Obama was secretly in Hawaii for two days prior to the judgment.
  
  In earlier centuries outgoing Kings and family residuals were frequently removed to ensure freedom of continuity.
  
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  March 18, 2017 2:32pm
  - MCos
    
    “There is rumour too that the judge was also a classmate of Obama at law school. If so, did Obama have a have a prior hand in drafting the document?”
    Image the conspiracy theories that can be based on that sort of flimsy rationale.
    My best mate at primary school is now a High Court judge. All I have to do is get him on the blower and the possibilities are endless . . . .
    
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    March 18, 2017 4:15pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Uh huh.
      Did you appoint your friend to the Bench?
      Like Obama appointed Judge Watson to the Federal Bench in 2013.
      
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      March 18, 2017 4:43pm
Southern Raider

So National sees no issue in companies getting issued a $100 consent and then being able to export water overseas because we have lots of it.

FFS this is supposed to be the sensible business minded party.

Just because you have lots of something doesn’t mean it should be free. Saudi Arabia has shit loads of oil, do they allow companies to pay a $100 consent fee and then export what they want.

Water is a NZ resource for the benefit of NZ residents. If someone else wants to export it pay a fucken royalty per litre!
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March 18, 2017 10:26am
- reid3
  
  Yeah that’s prima facie nutso for sure. Too bad English doesn’t engage in quite so much poll-driven fruit-cake-nuttery as Key used to, otherwise the DPF antennae array would have picked it up long ago and a completely different approach adopted.
  
  Only this time, it would have been the correct one. I say only because normally the sheeples collective position at any given moment on any given thing is completely and utterly wrong, but this time, surprisingly, it happens to be quite correct.
  
  WTF is wrong with people whose job relies on them accurately reading public sentiment and for which purpose they have hundreds if not thousands of resources at their complete disposal, that politicians so very often get it so very arse about face?
  
  I wonder if stephie’s advising them. That would certainly explain a great deal.
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:39am
- Southern Raider
  
  Joyce used the excuse that Lion Nathan and DB both use heaps of water to make beer which is exported so they would need to pay as much well.
  
  That’s a bullshit example as both pay an absolute fortune to Watercare for the supply of water to their factories. This then has a big downstream benefit to Auckland residents as it generates significant revenue towards running the greater Auckland water network
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:45am
  - reid3
    
    He must think everyone is as dumb as he is. Newsflash Joyce: only Gerry’s like that. And maybe Paula. Let’s hope Wayne Mapp pops in so he can relay it back to Stephen.
    
    Seriously, if they can’t even direct Crown Law to come up with a way to deal with that issue while still applying a levy to pure unadulterated water exporters, then none of them are any good at anything and they should all resign forthwith.
    
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    March 18, 2017 10:52am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Bill English stated along the lines of “water is a free resource to all NZ’ers, so we can’t charge others”. Nuts, nuts, nuts.
      
      Fresh water is a sought after resource by much of the world. Exported NZ water is a premium product. I suspect France, Italy and other water exporters would laugh their socks off at NZ for not taking full value from our water resources.
      
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      March 18, 2017 2:07pm
      - Southern Raider
        
        Yep you don’t see Fiji giving away their water in USA hotels
        
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        March 18, 2017 5:57pm
- marcw
  
  Regional Councils issue Resource Consents for water extraction. They are free to set their own fees and conditions (as do Watercare). Write to them if you don’t like what is happening – they have elections every three years so may take notice if enough people agree with you.
  
  Meanwhile, companies getting off their bums and earning funds exporting and employing people who get paid wages and pay tax and paying tax on their profits seem to be doing ok.
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:51am
  - Southern Raider
    
    Bullshit. A foreign owned company with an automated factory is providing no real benefit to NZ and none of their profits would be taxed
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:25am
    - KevOB
      
      They operate in NZ. The derive profit from NZ. They must expect to pay tax in NZ.
      
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      March 18, 2017 2:50pm
      - marleybob
        
        Like Apple does huh
        
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        March 18, 2017 4:09pm
- flyernzl
  
  Surely an export tax on water is the easy answer.
  
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  March 19, 2017 9:43am
ztev

Whats with the US embassy spy hustled out of the country very quickly the other day.
Technical attache is a code for NSA operative.

What was he doing for or with the GCSB that the police cant know about.
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March 18, 2017 10:46am
- reid3
  
  got any details?
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:53am
  - Happychappy
    
    Probably the blood rushing to ztev head as he was changing hands. Maybe he’s excited and may have learn some thing.
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:04am
    - reid3
      
      He’s smart HC, give him that.
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:11am
- realityczech
  
  Patience ztev, it will take President Trump a while to remove all the henchmen installed under the Obama regime.
  
  They should be torturing him down in Gitmo to find out what he has done, before his trial and hanging. They are wasting time.
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:32am
Hugh Pavletich

… Aussie housing bubble bursting too ? …

Posted at … http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2017/03/weekend-links-18-19-march-2017/#comment-2832850 … with others …

House price shock: governments get serious … The Age

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/smh-editorial/house-price-shock-governments-get-serious-20170316-gv04ck.html

Harsh measures to improve affordability now might spark a crisis of confidence and exacerbate price falls. Still, some measures are worthwhile if introduced slowly. … read more via hyperlink above …

Capital city vacant land selling prices continue to rise in capital cities as prices fall in regional Australia – Core Logic

http://blog.corelogic.com.au/2017/02/capital-city-vacant-land-selling-prices-continue-rise-prices-fall-regional-australia/

Deluge of affordability data forces government’s hand | The New Daily

http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2017/02/02/housing-affordability/
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March 18, 2017 10:58am
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Christchurch rents slump 20% in 2 years … WOW ! …
  
  Christchurch rents buck national trend with 6 per cent fall | The Press / Stuff.co.nz
  
  http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/business/your-property/90546726/christchurch-rents-buck-national-trend-with-6-per-cent-fall
  
  Tenants in Canterbury are the only ones in the country enjoying falling rents.
  
  While the rest of the country has seen residential rents rise about 5 per cent, with double-figure amounts in some places, Canterbury’s more plentiful supply of homes has seen rents fall about 6 per cent in the past year.
  
  The data comes from homes rented by property managers and private landlords through Trade Me. …
  
  … According to Trade Me, the median weekly rent in Christchurch city fell by $100, or 20 per cent, between February 2015 and February 2017.
  
  The biggest drop in rents on Trade Me in the past year have been for units, townhouses and apartments, where the median rent of $350 is 6.7 per cent down on a year ago. For free-standing homes, the average rent of $395 was down 6 per cent per cent in the same period. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Christchurch bucks trend in Demographia housing affordability survey – Business – NZ Herald News
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11787125
  
  2017 13th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey
  Note … Fig 10 … Page 26 …
  
  http://demographia.com/dhi.pdf
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:01am
  - KevOB
    
    The Christchurch rental market is not typical. It is flooded with with homes where the owners have taken an EQC settlemement and quit. These sell cheaply in a fixed or semi-fixed state and many are still habitable although not insurable. The rents may actually be high in the circumstances.
    
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    March 18, 2017 2:56pm
- reid3
  
  Hugh, are you aware of this guy?
  
  https://www.armstrongeconomics.com
  
  He says it’s all about international capital flows, and you connect bubbles to the inward flow in response to a particular sector in a particular region.
  
  We can see it in the housing. Everyone wanted to get their money out of China so they did, until the govt there shut them down. And they parked it in Vancouver, Sydney and to a lesser extent Akld, although here it’s mostly Chinese migrants who’ve been responsible for it. But this is why you get lots of places in Vancover especially which remain vacant. Because it’s a hedge move by the owner and he doesn’t care about the return.
  
  That’s just a tiny example but he’s detected an 86 year cycle which correlates to the day with various events we’ve seen since the 1980’s.
  
  It’s very interesting. While real estate is only peripheral to his analysis, obviously property bubbles are one of the sectors, along with bonds, securities and public vs private capital movements too.
  
  Warning to those with pensions: the cycle is showing you’re going to lose em because they’re facing unsustainable withdrawals which can’t be funded by the upcoming millenials/post-millenials. You should take a look at what he says, too.
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:30am
Happychappy

Could you put the date when it was posted as you have a habit of posting data that is more than six months old.
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March 18, 2017 11:07am
Fletch

I suppose everyone saw the Irish PM’s speech about immigration, and the Irish coming to America, blah, blah, blah. It is in no way the same thing. It only seems common sense to most of us to temporarily restrict immigration from Islamic countries that hate our culture and promote terrorism. Like it or not, most terrorist acts are committed by followers of Islam. It’s just a fact.

Creating a false equivalence between Irish immigration in the 1800s and 1900s and Islamic immigration today helps no one.
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March 18, 2017 11:29am
- Ross12
  
  Fletch
  This poll done in France would support your comment. For those that can read French the poll detail is linked in this article , but even a “big picture” view of the results show the French are not happy.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/17/six-ten-france-dont-feel-safe-anywhere/
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:36am
- Tirebiter
  
  I think you will find (using the official US definition of terrorism) that most terrorist acts in the world these days are committed by the US military and NATO; calling them humanitarian interventions, or regime change, or seeking WMDS, or bringing democracy to the barbarians is just window dressing for domestic consumption. But then it all depends on who controls the narrative, doesn’t it?
  
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  March 19, 2017 4:49am
Fletch

How petty can you get? At a veteran’s hospital in America there are supposed to be two portraits hung in the hallway – one of the president of the United States and one of the VA Secretary. Since Obama left office, the wall had been blank, despite the vets asking for new photos. Nothing was done about it, so the vets put up new pictures themselves, only for hospital staff to follow along behind and take them straight down.

“Two blank holes, it’s been 60 something days now [since the inauguration],” Army veteran Beau Brumfield said. “The Veterans Administration has been asked about it a few times, the local VA hospital has been, and they haven’t had any real reason other than they didn’t have the picture, which is readily available.”

“That’s the person who would ultimately give the order for us to put our lives in danger and we believe that his picture should be displayed there proudly,” another vet, John Rourke, said.

So, they got together with other vets and contacted their Congressman Brian Mast and took matters into their own hands. The group came to the hospital with the prints of Trump and Schulkin and filled those “two blank holes.”

“Proud of the fact that the local vet community got it done. We walked in there, we made it happen,” Brumfield said. “It was non-confrontational. It was nonpolitical. We just wanted to see it happen.”

However, their actions were in vain as officials at the hospital came along behind them and immediately took down the portraits. A spokesperson said what the veterans did was “inappropriate” and said they took cell phone footage in violation of patients’ rights. The spokesperson also said the photos were not official and must come from the central office.

http://cbs12.com/news/local/portraits-of-president-trump-sec-of-va-taken-down-from-local-va-center
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March 18, 2017 11:37am
- reid3
  
  It’s all part of the clever if evil Purple Revolution tactics Fletch.
  
  If you consider how the Soviet and Chinese and NK authories all behaved and behave toward their citizens during their respective commie heydays that pretty much translates into the tactics the Purple Revolution people are now using in the US.
  
  This particular action is because the commie playbook is full of petty bureacracy and both overt and subtle propaganda and it’s no surprise because the whole colour revolution playbook is modelled on the commie model. Brzezhinsky got most of his ideas from the Russian CPSU social control tactics from the 50’s through the 70’s, and the CIA have used their understanding of social engineering and computer modelling to progress the art to what we’re now seeing in the US.
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:56am
  - stephieboy
    
    reid,
    
    ” It’s all part of the clever if evil Purple Revolution tactics Fletch.”
    
    Bollux !
    
    Whose supressing your and Fletch’s freedom of speech Soviet Union styled ?
    
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    March 18, 2017 12:03pm
    - reid3
      
      No one stephie but what on Earth does that have to do with anything I said above?
      
      (Who said anything about speech suppression, lest you still don’t get my point.)
      
      I’m afraid stephie for the second time today I’m going to need you to explain yourself once again. I note you still haven’t answered the first time I asked. I see you’ve responded but sadly, your “answer” had nothing to do with the question I asked. Why does this not surprise me.
      
      So to spell it out for you lest you misunderstand, especially after you’ve just processed all these complicated words I’ve just used in getting to this point, the question is: pray explain what on earth suppression of speech Soviet style has to do with anything I said in my 11.56?
      
      And once again, the reason you should be motivated to respond, is because if you don’t, then people might just think you’re as thick as a whale omelette, and no-one wants people to think that about you stephie, least of all me.
      
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      March 18, 2017 1:12pm
    - reid3
      
      stephie these alt-left tactics do you no credit. They’re evil people stephie, they’ll corrupt and poison your very being. Get away from them and their vicious lies. Don’t be an alt-lefter!
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:11pm
Chuck Bird

The first part of The Nation this morning was interesting. We then had this thing about homosexuals demanding compensation for historic convictions. We are talking about 1000 over many years.

I would like to know what the details of those convictions. If someone was convicted of having sex in a public place including a cubicle in a public toilet they should not get anything compo or even their record wiped. If some aged 30 was have sex with a 16 year old boy which is now legal I would not be happy paying him one dollar.
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March 18, 2017 11:40am
- Nukuleka
  
  It was quite obvious that this financial compensation lark was in the offing the moment that foolish Amy Adams came forth with the notion of quashing convictions for historical homosexual acts. The old axiom of ‘unintended consequences’. Wait for the fun that lies in waiting now that the Whanganui River has the status of personhood. For that decision we must thank the ever-tittering Chris Finlayson.
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:56am
- sam green
  
  “I would like to know what the details of those convictions”.
  
  I just knew you were gay Chuck.
  
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  March 18, 2017 1:21pm
- KevOB
  
  The statutory offences as they were cannot be retracted out from their time There may be revision now but it never bring right to compensation. If so no generation would ever be free from their evolved past.
  
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  March 18, 2017 3:03pm
cha

You first!.

Dubai has announced yet another pioneering initiative, but this time it’s not the world’s first rotating skyscraper or 3D printed office. It’s a fleet of flying taxis.
Small enough to fit into a car parking space when folded up, the one-seater passenger drones made by Chinese company Ehang are set to start picking up passengers in July this year, according to Dubai’s Road and Transport Authority (RTA).

The electrically powered driverless drones — named Ehang 184 — have already been seen hovering above the sand dunes near the city’s airfield during test flights.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/17/tech/ehang-passenger-drone-dubai/index.html?
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March 18, 2017 12:06pm
Manolo

The belligerent Turks appear to dislike Merkel:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkish-daily-depicts-merkel-frau-hitler-front-page-130713775.html

A Turkish pro-government newspaper on Friday depicted Chancellor Angela Merkel on its front page in Nazi uniform with a Hitler-style moustache, labelling the German leader “She Hitler” amid a bitter war of words between Ankara and Berlin.
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March 18, 2017 12:16pm
krazykiwi

Headline reads Report: Israel has established ‘apartheid regime’, when a more accurate one would have been UN forced to withdraw unauthorized report written by disgraced ex-UN official and 9/11 conspiracy theorist Richard Falk”

The author of the report was disgraced ex-UN official Richard Falk, who had been denounced on repeated occasions by former UN chief Ban Ki-moon and other world leaders for espousing 9/11 conspiracy theories, blaming the U.S. and Israel for the Boston Marathon bombing, and spreading antisemitism.

Falk is a nasty piece of work. That he ascended the UN hierarchy so far with such hatred of Israel shows that organisation to anti-sematic to the core. His wife was appointed to a UN human rights role on the very day that Falk was forced to resign because of his outrageous bias.

“Hilal Elver is not only Richard Falk’s wife, employee and main collaborator, but she echoes his crude and simplistic post-colonial narrative, which demonizes America, the West, and Israel, while praising dictators like (Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip) Erdogan and the books of 9/11 conspiracy theorists,” said Neuer.
It is worth noting that Falk’s final report before leaving his post accused Israel of apartheid
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March 18, 2017 12:27pm
- reid3
  
  Who the fuck doesn’t know the 911 official story is physically impossible: i.e. it breaks the laws of physics as we know them to be, and why does saying that make him anti-semitic, because there’s a lot of evidence of deep Israeli involvement in that crime, as well.
  
  So since when do cold hard facts which are self-evident to even the dumbest and most casual viewer, become labelled as anti-semitic?
  
  Sounds very much like what the AGW proponents do, when they want to smear a dissenter with the denier label.
  
  Doesn’t it.
  
  BTW, if you don’t know the evidence then look it up. Until then, you have no right whatsoever to use the anti-semite label, unless you want to be shown as being as fatuous and frankly evil as your average AGW proponent, when they use it.
  
  And BTW, isn’t it obvious Israel is an apartheid state, in the way it treats the Palestinians? Isn’t it as obvious as it was looking at the way the old SA regime used to behave toward its blacks? Don’t you watch the news? Don’t you know what they do? So why is, again, the cold hard truth, suddenly transformed into a hysterical propaganda label. This time, to get the facts, you don’t even need to do any research, all you have to do is watch the telly, and it’ll show you what Israel is. Of course, you need an open mind, perhaps when it comes to Israel, some don’t have that. What a shame, for them.
  
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  March 18, 2017 1:34pm
  - stephieboy
    
    reid3 . 9/11 breaks precisely what laws of physics ?
    
    “….My Conclusions
    
    The WTC towers collapsed at speeds approaching that of free fall because:
    
    1. The dynamic force created out of the gravitational potential energy within the space of just one level spacing was far in excess of the static force the framing was designed to support, and
    
    2. Elastic waves launched from the collapse front quickly filled the building –both lower structure and upper block –with large dynamic stresses, which weakened and ruptured joints well in advance of that material entering the collapse front.
    
    The towers shattered, and the pieces fell to the ground.
    
    In part 2 of this report I address the topic of heat, a prominent feature of many conspiracy theories about the collapse of the WTC buildings. In part 3 I address the collapse of WTC 7
    
    Manuel Garcia a native New Yorker who works as a physicist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California with a PhD Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering, from Princeton His technical interests are generally in fluid flow and energy, specifically in gas dynamics and plasma physics; and his working experience includes measurements on nuclear bomb tests, devising mathematical models of energetic physical effects, and trying to enlarge a union of weapons scientists. He can be reached at mango@idiom.com ”
    
    http://www.counterpunch.org/2006/11/28/the-physics-of-9-11/
    
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    March 18, 2017 1:51pm
  - realityczech
    
    reid I saw a news clip recently about a fire in some high rise somewhere.
    
    It collapsed just like the 911 buildings did. Wish I had saved the link. It was just a regular news story and not a debunking piece.
    
    However, we all know who was behind the attack, regardless of the engineering details of the collapse. 🙂
    
    Edit: found it
    
    TOWER CRUMBLES Seventeen storey building collapses in Iranian capital Tehran leaving at least 75 dead including 45 firefighters
    
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2651561/seventeen-story-building-collapses-in-iranian-capital-tehran-leaving-at-least-38-people-injured/
    
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    March 18, 2017 1:57pm
    - reid3
      
      Be good if you could find it rc, because the Madrid Tower sure as hell stayed intact, despite a fire ten times the size of 911. And don’t forget Building 7, the Pentagram and the let’s roll crash all have as big if not bigger anomalies according to physical laws as the towers do.
      
      Edit: completely different collapse dynamics from the Towers rc. Not inside its own footprint, not 90% of the rubble turning into powder, oldest building in Tehran, looked like it had only concrete not a massive steel structure, for example.
      
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      March 18, 2017 2:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        reid, I accept the possibility that the idea of the attack was not developed by the Saudi Arabians who carried it out. I do not think the planners had any idea it would work so well.
        
        The notion of controlled demolition is absurd for entirely practical reasons. Eg: there is no technology that could do it under those conditions.
        
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        March 18, 2017 2:14pm
      - reid3
        
        Just because you don’t know how to demolish it like we all saw doesn’t mean someone else doesn’t rc. There are two method possibilities I have that fit neither of which involve floor by floor explosive demolition, but I’m not discussing them here because these days discussing 911 details with anyone is to me about is interesting as watching paint dry, and as soon as someone raises a facet, people who understand nothing about it except the propaganda fake news has delivered to them jump on and pretend they’re suddenly structural engineers. And it just bores the crap out of me responding to their profound ignorance and unwilling attitude to consider anything but the propaganda line they have been fed and have obediently absorbed into their psyche.
        
        One interesting photo you should look for is the one where the granite bedrock has been melted and there’s a photo of it looking all swirly like it had been molten then solidified. That’s one clue to one of the possible methods if you’re interested in following it up.
        
        I take this non-discussion attitude simply because all the material is on the web and all you need is an open mind so people can do the work themselves if they care to and if they don’t care to, I can’t be arsed teaching them how to be smart and wise.
        
        If no-one was listening to us I’d just tell you straight and I know we’d have a fruitful and interesting discussion, but right here and now, I know we’d get the braying idiot brigade jumping out in full force and nothing fruitful would transpire, and I’m not giving my email address to the world. Well, not this world, anyway.
        
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        March 18, 2017 2:25pm
      - realityczech
        
        I have watched and read hours of 911 stuff. But I look at both sides.
        
        You are wrong and I am right, on this one 🙂
        
        Its all over now and they got their: War on Terror
        
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        March 18, 2017 2:33pm
      - reid3
        
        Symetrical collapse of a structure like that does not happen unless it was designed to happen, simple as that mate.
        
        Not to mention, as I said, only 10% of the structure turned into rubble, 90% turned into not just dust but talcum powder. There was not enough potential energy in the Towers to accomplish even a fraction of that degree of pulverisation, and if you look carefully at some of the videos, you actually see massive pieces of steel turning into dust, in mid air. Also gravity acts vertically not horizontally, therefore the significant horizontal tragectories we all observed of objects some weighing hundred of tons, is impossible under a pure gravity driven collapse model.
        
        Simple physics. Can’t argue with it. You can deny or ignore it, but you can’t get around those above facts, unless you do one of those two things.
        
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        March 18, 2017 2:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        Imagine trying to contain an explosion that could turn the building to dust.
        
        Must have been alien technology reid ?
        
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        March 18, 2017 3:00pm
      - reid3
        
        No neither of my two possibles involve that rc, but glad you admit that it was turned to dust. Now that you admit that reality which we all observed but somehow some seem to overlook in terms of its significant, all you have to do is work out what could do that. Don’t you. Because that WAS the reality, wasn’t it.
        
        You might also want to take a look at the NIST guy on the vid I posted yesterday, he makes some interesting observations on the fallacies, and he is qualified to, isn’t he, being from NIST and all.
        
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        March 18, 2017 4:35pm
      - stephieboy
        
        The Madrid Windsor Tower is in fact entirely different to the WTC Towers in question .
        
        At 32 stories it was much smaller .
        
        Unlike the WTC it had a core of concrete and not just a steel frame .A key design difference that kept the Madrid Tower standing .
        
        Obviously unlike WTC 1 & 2 an aircraft did not crash into the Madrid Tower .
        
        Thus all it shows is that Steel columns will collapse in a fire and that concrete is fire resistant
        
        http://www.911myths.com/html/madrid_windsor_tower.html
        
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        March 18, 2017 4:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        Shut up stupidboy you know nothing about this.
        
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        March 18, 2017 5:02pm
      - stephieboy
        
        rc , do you ?
        
        LOL
        
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        March 18, 2017 5:04pm
      - reid3
        
        stephie the alt-left know nothing about anything except how to lie and steal. They’re scum. Don’t be scum stephie. Ditch the alt-left before they turn on you, simply because you couldn’t bring yourself to become the evil scum they all are because on the inside, you don’t really want to be like them, do you. So stop acting like they do.
        
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        March 18, 2017 6:09pm
Manolo

The new sultan threatens to speed up the invasion of Europe by his own barbarians:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/17/erdogan-calls-turkish-families-have-five-children-bulwark-against/

Turkish president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan has called on Turkey’s citizens in Europe to step up their rates of procreation and have five children each, saying a booming Turkish population would be the best answer to the EU’s “vulgarism, antagonism, and injustice”.
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March 18, 2017 12:51pm
Manolo

Is there any doubt Western Europe is lost to the invading hordes?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4325328/Turkey-s-minister-threatens-blow-mind-Europe.html

Turkey’s interior minister has threatened to ‘blow the mind’ of Europe by sending 15,000 refugees a month to EU territory.
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March 18, 2017 12:56pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, I doubt it . The Turkish Minister like his counterparts ( e g Trump ) appears to be sabre rattling and posturing with inflamatory rhetoric .
  
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  March 18, 2017 1:07pm
Harriet

Fletch#

I saw your link on the Islamic dateline.
This then took me about an hour to find, it is a music video with visual mapping that expresses Islam over 1400yrs. It’s very well done. It’s well worth watching the first two minutes, after that it is 4mins of Crusader battles and music, which is again worth watching, it’s from some Crusader movie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r7Gq0Nz5Q4
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March 18, 2017 1:08pm
stephieboy

Harriet , crude propoganda that is a monstrous traversity of the histrorical record .

As I posted earlier the Crusades were in fact intiated by the Byzantine Emporer Alexios I Komnenos pleading for help against attacks by the Seljuk Turks.

Jerusalem was conquered by the Rashidun Caliphate. 637 AD . Why such along time to decide and take the Holy City ?
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March 18, 2017 1:18pm
- Nookin
  
  As I posted earlier the Crusades were in fact intiated by the Byzantine Emporer Alexios
  
  Don’t be a dick. Everyone knows that it was Wayne Smith and Robbie Deans.
  
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  March 18, 2017 1:37pm
realityczech

reid check this out 🙂

http://i0.wp.com/21stcenturywire.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/SOROS.jpg?w=598

Sheeple are indeed stuuuupid
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March 18, 2017 1:22pm
- stephieboy
  
  rc , what is the significance of George Soros ?
  
  That he is a Jew or a Billionaire ?
  
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  March 18, 2017 1:27pm
  - realityczech
    
    I don’t think his religion, or his bank balance, are the issue stephieboy.
    
    It is noted they are the two things you focused on right away.
    
    The issue is his evil manipulations to enslave humanity. Not if he enjoys bacon, or is good at business.
    
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    March 18, 2017 1:32pm
  - reid3
    
    stephie you’re behaving like an alt-lefter by asking irrelevant questions and pretending people have said things they never did. Where is Soros in that picture for instance. Educate yourself. alt-left is scum, don’t be scum stephie. Free yourself from the vicious lies of the rabid alt-left.
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:06pm
realityczech

Soros, the Purple Revolution and The Caviar Eating Fake Left

The mainstream media that Soros and his protege Hillary Clinton controlled have been exposed by Wikileaks as the diligent presstitutes of the Ministry of Truth. CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, NPR News and many others, have been unmasked as biased propaganda outlets.

http://21stcenturywire.com/2016/11/18/soros-the-purple-revolution-and-the-caviar-eating-fake-left/

On a more personal level I find all Hillary / Obama supporters to be repulsive and untrustworthy people. I would never employ one, or leave them alone around children.
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March 18, 2017 1:28pm
- itstricky
  
  On a more personal level I find all Hillary / Obama supporters to be repulsive and untrustworthy people
  
  Yeah, they can’t even manage a handshake. Must be their small hands.
  
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  March 18, 2017 2:25pm
reid3

Can it get anymore obvious this is a hostile invasion?

From RT:

Turkish President Recep Erdogan has urged all Turks living in Europe to have at least five children, saying they are the future of the continent and that it would be the best response to the “injustices” imposed on expatriates there.

“Go live in better neighborhoods. Drive the best cars. Live in the best houses. Make not three, but five children. Because you are the future of Europe. That will be the best response to the injustices against you,” Erdogan said in the city of Eskisehir on Friday, according to AP.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/03/17/you-are-europes-future-erdogan-tells-turks-in-eu-to-have-minimum-5-kids/
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March 18, 2017 3:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  reid, as I posted earlier Putin suggest that Russians too should have bigger families as per my post 9.17am.
  
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  March 18, 2017 5:00pm
  - reid3
    
    stephie that’s an alt-left meme. Educate yourself. alt-left is scum, don’t be scum stephie. Free yourself from the vicious lies of the rabid alt-left.
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:05pm
    - stephieboy
      
      reid,
      
      http://www.bbc.com/news/business-13143523
      
      Sigh
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:13pm
      - realityczech
        
        BBC LOL 🙂
        
        Got a credible source idiot ?
        
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        March 18, 2017 6:17pm
reid3

HORRORS!

That Muslim-loving sow, German Chancellor Angela Merkel, was in D.C. today, and the MSM are beside themselves because President Trump appeared to refuse to shake her hand.

Photographers: Can we get a handshake?

Merkel (to Trump): Do you want to have a handshake?

Trump: *no response*

Merkel: *makes awkward face*

Angela Merkel made clear her adoration of Barack Obama.

When Obama visited Germany in his final foreign trip last November, he called Merkel “probably . . . my closest international partner these past eight years.” Merkel thanked Obama for “a good, friendly and intensive partnership” and wailed, “It’s hard for me to say goodbye.”

As reported by WPVI-TV, in a letter to Trump the day after his historic win, Merkel started by congratulating, then gave Trump a PC “social justice” lecture:

“Germany’s ties with the United States of America are deeper than with any country outside of the European Union. Germany and America are bound by common values – democracy, freedom, as well as respect for the rule of law and the dignity of each and every person, regardless of their origin, skin color, creed, gender, sexual orientation, or political views. It is based on these values that I wish to offer close cooperation, both with me personally and between our countries’ governments.

Partnership with the United States is and will remain a keystone of German foreign policy, especially so that we can tackle the great challenges of our time: striving for economic and social well-being, working to develop far-sighted climate policy, pursuing the fight against terrorism, poverty, hunger, and disease, as well as protecting peace and freedom in the world.”

On January 29, 2017, via her spokesman Steffen Seibert, Merkel criticized President Trump’s executive order on a temporary ban on visas to nationals from countries known for terrorists — a ban that has the support of a majority of Europeans…

What I like about Trump is he’s not a two-faced disengenuous slimy little bastard like almost every other politician is.

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/03/17/msm-are-having-a-cow-over-trump-not-shaking-german-chancellor-merkels-hand/
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March 18, 2017 3:12pm
reid3

After running an immigration article entitled “Immigrants are now cancelling their food stamps for fear that Trump will deport them,” someone at the Post decided it just wasn’t impactful enough. That illegal immigrants were cancelling food stamp benefits seemed to suggest the Trump administration was acting in the interest of overworked and underpaid American taxpayers.

And we definitely don’t want to give anyone the idea that undocumented immigrants entering the country illegally are somehow putting a burden on the system. Thus, the only solution is to flip-flop the story so that it looks like President Trump and Americans who support common-sense immigration policies are putting a horrific burden on the people collecting government benefits illegally.

In response to this disastrous mistake to their own narrative, the Washington Post modified their title to ensure all of the blame was put directly at the feet of Donald Trump:

“Immigrants are going hungry so Trump won’t deport them”

Pics of the headline are in the link:
http://www.dcclothesline.com/2017/03/17/must-see-shockingly-blatant-propaganda-as-washington-post-changes-immigration-headline-doesnt-want-you-to-know-illegals-are-on-benefits-paid-by-you/
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March 18, 2017 3:17pm
chiz

So, who leaked Trump’s 2005 Tax returns? Oh look!
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March 18, 2017 3:25pm
- reid3
  
  Yeah that possibiilty was floated the day it leaked.
  
  After all, he’s known for playing the media.
  
  And once again, they fell for it like the morons they all are.
  
  Clever, isn’t he.
  
  You’d have thought the words stamped on it (“Client Copy”) woulda given the morons a clue, wouldn’t ya. But evidently not. The only ones dumber than the MSM are the people on here who thought it was an incredibly bad look for Trump and appplauded the leakers for doing truth a service, because they thought it made him look bad. What sort of galloping moron would think Trump making $150 million could possibly make him look bad?
  
  Fuck some people are dumb.
  
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  March 18, 2017 3:36pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    $250 million, not $150. He said he used $100 mio in deductibles to get to his pre tax income of $153 mio
    
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    March 18, 2017 4:39pm
- realityczech
  
  You freaks created ANOTHER conspiracy theory because the returns did not say what you wanted to.
  
  Just like you said Trump polled around 30% in the election lead up.
  
  Liars and sore losers.
  
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  March 18, 2017 4:16pm
reid3

Maria Zakharova, Russia’s Foreign Affairs Spokesperson, has stated on a national TV show that Obama will go down in history as one of the most evil Presidents and Administrations. We can only agree…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrxsW3O_r-8

as can all right-thinking persons. To see the dude in any other way is either profound galloping stupidity or implaccably cold evil. One of the two. There is no third alternative. Naturally, we can all see where stephie’s gone wrong there, don’t we.
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March 18, 2017 3:31pm
- realityczech
  
  “as one of the most evil Presidents ”
  
  Hands down winner. The most evil and destructive leader in modern history.
  
  The supporters of this murderous animal are terrorists and should be dealt with accordingly by the military. Just as they do ISIS, who are far less of a threat to the West.
  
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  March 18, 2017 4:19pm
  - reid3
    
    And that’s saying something what with the stiff competition from Bush 41, Clinton and Bush 43 all running in at numbers 2 through 4.
    
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    March 18, 2017 4:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  reid , Obama made Putin and the Kremlin invade Crimea , arm the Donetsk rebels Ukraine and shoot down Flight M17 ?
  
  LOL
  
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  March 18, 2017 5:03pm
  - realityczech
    
    There was no invasion.
    
    The Ukrainians shot the plane down. Not for the first time either.
    
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    March 18, 2017 5:53pm
  - reid3
    
    alt-lefters lie a lot stephie, sometimes by pretending people have made comments on issues when they haven’t said a thing about it, like you just did. Don’t be an alt-lefter stephie. They’re scum.
    
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    March 18, 2017 5:57pm
    - stephieboy
      
      rc ,
      The Ukrainians shot the plane down.” ??
      
      The evidence t0 back up that claim ?
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      reid , all I know is that I certainly don’t want to be like you.
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:02pm
    - stephieboy
      
      reid , of course you never lie ?
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:17pm
- Tirebiter
  
  Ah, another victim of complexity blindness who only sees black or white in a world of grays.
  
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  March 19, 2017 5:04am
Maggy Wassilieff

Is this for real folks?

US secret service Laptop with details on Hillary Clinton/ Trump Tower Plans/ Pope Francis
has been stolen

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39310793
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March 18, 2017 4:35pm
- Manolo
  
  It could be embarrassing if the Pope kept there details of some of his paedoplhile priests. ?
  
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  March 18, 2017 4:46pm
Manolo

Do not despair. KB’s veteran communist and staunch chavista will soon be arriving in Caracas bringing relief:
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/world/americas/venezuela/article138964428.html

Facing a bread shortage that is spawning massive lines and souring the national mood, the Venezuelan government is responding this week by detaining bakers and seizing establishments.
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March 18, 2017 4:52pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I feel deeply for 82% of the Venezuealian people. Life must be hell for them.
  
  The remaining 18% apparently still support Maduro. They’re getting what they deserve today, and will do so again when the revolution inevitably starts
  
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  March 18, 2017 5:01pm
krazykiwi

Nicola Sturgeon: I have ‘options’ if Theresa May refuses to reconsider independence referendum

Yes, resign. May is busy fashioning herself as The Iron Lady II. She’d make a quick meal of a mouthy ginger from up north.
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March 18, 2017 4:54pm
- Manolo
  
  Mrs Sturgeon would not even qualify to lick Mrs Thatcher’s shoes. The Scot is a bad joke.
  
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  March 18, 2017 5:12pm
- Ross12
  
  Sturgeon obviously still hasn’t read the latest polls in Scotland. Her voters don’t agree with her.
  
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  March 18, 2017 6:48pm
reid3

More neocon machinations.

Vicious bastards, aren’t they.

Luckily they’re so incompetent all their evil plans come to nought. After a great deal of innocent death and needless destruction.

Neocons.

What sort of fucking morons would ever support pathological scum like that?

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/03/third-times-the-charm-the-neocons-want-another-sunni-insurgency.html#more
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March 18, 2017 5:05pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Stephieboy has just posted a reply to my earlier request today for why he has spent the last few weeks linking my name to alt-right material and labelling me as an alt-righter.
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_18_march_2017.html#comment-1893173
He has basically stated that he did not write that I was an alt-righter.

He then asserts that he has only framed questions to me in the form that require yay or nay answers.
He then asserts that I have overreacted.

It sure looks like another stephieboy is trying to do some clean-up here.
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March 18, 2017 5:38pm
- Manolo
  
  stephieboy, alt-left activist, should do the decent thing and apologise to you in front of the whole KB community. Nothing less would do.
  
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  March 18, 2017 5:41pm
  - reid3
    
    Yes. Of course he could just scuttle off and never come back. That would be even better.
    
    One of the fun things we could do with him is use the alt-left label a lot.
    
    Alt-right is a propaganda meme designed to stereotype which of course, lefties deny they do but which in fact they do do, all the time. Just never to their victim base.
    
    No one enjoys having shit they’ve thrown come right back in their face least of all lefties. Whether this is because they’re cowardly albeit vicious scum is irrelevant, I just throw it in as another chance to insult lefties. Every bit counts.
    
    But fact is, stephie is insulting. And he’s proven laterly he is literate, so he knows precisely what he’s doing. Ergo he deserves to get some shit coming back down the pipe. So I’m going to start using alt-left on him a lot and thanks Manolo for the idea.
    
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    March 18, 2017 5:52pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, apologise for what ?
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:18pm
    - reid3
      
      Don’t be an alt-left scumbag stephie, you’re better than that. Stop it. You can if you think you can.
      
      Alt-left are scum. You know it.
      
      So do we.
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:37pm
    - Manolo
      
      There you go again. Just be a man and apologise to Maggy!
      
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      March 19, 2017 7:56am
- reid3
  
  alt-lefters lie a lot Maggie. I think there maybe something seriously wrong with them in the ethics dept, some of the worst people I know are rabid alt-lefties. Despicable people in every single way.
  
  Excuse me, I’m just heading upstairs to find some of stephie’s earlier posts.
  
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  March 18, 2017 5:54pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I have referenced you in my reply to stephieboy.
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_18_march_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1893188
    Hope you don’t mind.
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:04pm
realityczech

Made the mistake of trying to watch the news. Fake news anti Trump propaganda.

Last week I was listening to radio communism (yeah I know) and every single thing; book reviews, music, art… included anti Trump pieces.

We are too tolerant. These people are more of a threat to our way of life than Muslim terrorists and look what we do to them !. Severe and urgent measures need to be taken to protect us and our way of life.
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March 18, 2017 6:10pm
- reid3
  
  They’re all alt-lefties rc. Every single one of them. Aren’t they scum.
  
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  March 18, 2017 6:19pm
  - realityczech
    
    My top three reasons I loathe them.
    
    1. Dishonesty.
    
    2. Authoritarian.
    
    3. Dark hearted.
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:24pm
    - reid3
      
      My top three:
      
      They’re pretty ugly. Look at arch alt-lefter Nicky Hagar. Man.
      
      They don’t like stereo-typing, which is a lot of fun.
      
      The guys are all limp-wristed poofs, even the straight ones and the girls don’t shave their armpits and like wearing boiler-suits.
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:33pm
    - realityczech
      
      Well observed reid. Ugly in mind, body and soul.
      
      They transfer their self loathing into hatred for all humanity. They want power and control so they can inflict misery and despair on others.
      
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      March 18, 2017 6:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  rc , “Severe and urgent measures … “?
  
  Like here ?,
  
  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Austrians_executing_Serbs_1917.JPG
  
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  March 18, 2017 6:24pm
  - realityczech
    
    I prefer the measures Obama took; Torture camps, Drone Strikes, Bombing, Death squads etc.
    
    The Germans were inefficient as they wanted to follow due process. We don’t have time for that now.
    
    🙂
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:30pm
  - reid3
    
    Stop being an alt-lefter stephie, even if you are an ugly poof (see above), they’re evil. You don’t wanna be evil, do you?
    
    Alt-left is scum.
    
    Go on, say it. You know you can.
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:34pm
krazykiwi

The G-20 Drops Climate Change From Communique

Opposition from the United States, Saudi Arabia and others has forced Germany to drop a reference to financing programs to combat climate change from the draft communique at a G20 finance and central bankers meeting.
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Asked about climate change programs, Mick Mulvaney, Trump’s budget director, told reporters on Thursday “we consider that to be a waste of (Americans’) money.”
“I think the president is fairly straightforward. We’re not spending money on that,” he said.

Pinch me. This is awesome.

Ok Bill… When will your government:

(a) Stop sending NZ taxpayer money to the UN so they can ‘fight climate change’?

(b) Discontinue the utterly purposeless ETS?
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March 18, 2017 6:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Currently the US has far more better things to worry about than Trump’s and his toadies posturing over Climate change ,
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/mar/17/meals-on-wheels-fatality-trumps-budget
  
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  March 18, 2017 6:30pm
  - reid3
    
    Yes like the alt-left scum bent on destroying America. You’re not alt-left are you stephie?
    
    So why do you act like it?
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:35pm
  - realityczech
    
    Trump is restarting real science and technology. The space program is one example. The discoveries and technology of the space program have benefited all of humanity.
    
    This is so very different to the tribal and visionless approach of the Obama regime, which shut down the space program while giving billions to his supporters.
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:37pm
- nasska
  
  Anyone know of any transferable skills NZ’s own dishonest climate scientists may possess?
  
  Fulton Hogan may be able to absorb some of them into their road coning division but other than that I reckon their future is bleak.
  
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  March 18, 2017 6:40pm
  - realityczech
    
    Sure they can make a living lots of ways:
    
    1. Science fiction writing.
    
    2. Obtaining a pecuniary advantage by deception.
    
    3. Joining the communist party.
    
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    March 18, 2017 6:46pm
  - stephieboy
    
    nasska, now why would the NZ Royal Society and the scientific community be giving attention to your bleatings and snortings?
    
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    March 18, 2017 7:43pm
    - Sponge
      
      Evidence that they are?
      
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      March 18, 2017 11:59pm
- reid3
  
  “I think the president is fairly straightforward. We’re not spending money on that,”
  
  Awesome ain’t it to have someone who understands finance at the levers, as opposed to the monkey’s we’ve had since Reagan who knew nothing and acted only on advice from people with huge vested interests in getting taxpayer cash.
  
  What a difference.
  
  Makes you wonder what we’ve missed out on with the monkey’s we’ve had, and I include Key because while he understood, he never did anything to stop it.
  
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  March 18, 2017 6:46pm
Stars And Stripes

Women-only swim night ‘very popular’ among Muslim community
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11820161.
“WaterSafe Auckland is behind the initiative which sees a dedicated teaching pool at Cameron Pool and Leisure Centre managed by YMCA in Mt Roskill closed for two hours every Thursday night for Muslim women-only swimming lessons”.

Discriminatory pandering shit.
Hang your heads in shame Cameron Pool and all the apologists in Mt Roskill who condone this shit.
Disgraceful.
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March 18, 2017 7:00pm
realityczech

While hundreds of millions globally die, or are chronically sick due to obesity, costing Trillions in health fees, the feminists try and normalise these disgusting fat pig creatures.

Fat shaming saves lives and everyone who does it is a selfless hero.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/90584656/these-model-best-friends-responded-to-body-shamers-in-the-best-way
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March 18, 2017 7:06pm
Jack5

The Germans gave a medal during World War 2 to a British serviceman who jumped into the sea t rescue a German p.o.w. who fell from a gangplank.

Similarly, for a moment I wish to praise the Stephieboys Islamic troll partnership.

Thank you sincerely Stephieboys, for doing more than all the rest of the Kiwiblog posters combined, for:

1. Alerting NZ to the dangers, present, imminent, and potential of Muslim immigration; AND

2. By your argument showing readers the appalling and sad consequences of continued, rampant, first-cousin marriages, so prevalent in much of the Islamic world.

One further requests to you fellows. We’re above 300 posts already. How about bringing in the full Stephie team and helping General Debate to top 400 posts?
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March 18, 2017 7:32pm
- mikenmild
  
  A New Zealander received the VC based on the testimony of a German officer whose U-boat he sank.
  
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  March 18, 2017 7:36pm
- reid3
  
  The Germans gave a medal during World War 2 to a British serviceman who jumped into the sea t rescue a German p.o.w. who fell from a gangplank.
  
  OTOH there’s also the WWII story told by his son of the Chief of the Boat in the US Navy submarine service who in his role of manning the machine gun was ordered to slaughter Japanese families in fishing boats off the coast of Japan and after doing it for awhile he abandoned his post and went below, and the Captain took out a gun and was going to go below to shoot him until some of the other people in the con talked him down.
  
  War is hell Jack.
  
  It’s an illusion one side was good and the other were angels.
  
  A dangerous illiusion.
  
  Look what happened in a completely different conflict: Vietnam.
  
  Look what they did to the convoys evacuating Kuwait in the early 1990’s.
  
  Just cos the Western history doesn’t mention it and the UN doesn’t prosecute it don’t mean they weren’t all war crimes.
  
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  March 18, 2017 7:39pm
stephieboy

reid , it could be helpful if you could source that anecdote about the US submarine crew member .
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March 18, 2017 7:52pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  War is a nasty, nasty business.
  NAVY OKAYS ATTACKS ON JUNKS, SAMPANS
  Ref:
  http://ww2days.com/navy-okays-attacks-on-junks-sampans-3.html
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:00pm
- reid3
  
  It’s in here stephie.
  
  http://www.redredsea.net/westpointhagopian/index.html
  
  If you’re an alt-lefter however it may take you some time to find it.
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:03pm
  - realityczech
    
    Good article.
    
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    March 18, 2017 8:06pm
  - stephieboy
    
    reid,Joachim Hagopian ? Yet another of your mindlless don’s of Conspiracy theory who contributes this kind of utter tripe ,
    
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/paris-attacks-another-false-flag-sifting-through-the-evidence/5489695
    
    Here also,
    
    https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/tag/joachim-hagopian/
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:00pm
    - stephieboy
      
      And this reaching further heights of mindless stupidity ,
      
      “Will the US-Created ISIS Attack Americans on US Soil?”
      
      http://www.globalresearch.ca/will-the-us-created-isis-attack-americans-on-us-soil/5467507
      
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      March 18, 2017 9:07pm
      - realityczech
        
        Its was the filthy beast Obama, not the “US” who sponsored the radical groups which became ISIS.
        
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        March 18, 2017 11:08pm
nasska

If you’re as a Muslim, sick & tired of people treating you as a terrorist there’s something you can do about it.

Buy a transparent rucksack.
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March 18, 2017 7:57pm
All_on_Red

This is funny.
http://offsettingbehaviour.blogspot.com/2017/03/unintended-consequences-bees-edition.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=feed:+offsettingbehaviour+(offsetting+behaviour)
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March 18, 2017 8:05pm
- reid3
  
  That’s one word for it.
  
  Careless is another.
  
  WTF did they think was going to happen.
  
  You would have to ask.
  
  Most especially, the people you’d need to ask are the earnest alt-left policy analysts who came up with this oh-so humane way to wehabilitate the poor darlings and the moronic alt-left managers who’ve spent all their working lives in Wgtn office blocks looking after the policy analysts to make sure they don’t do anything that’s really stupid.
  
  I daresay when this was rolled out, afer all the allocated funds had been spent and dozens of alt-left fools had added their deliberations, the very second the actual people who work with these bastards heard about it they thought to themselves: this is fucking stupid, the theiving bastards will start nicking em the second they get out.
  
  And they had a choice, courtesy of the other alt-left idiots working in HR, to either say what they thought and be thought of by their alt-left team leader as “not a team player” or suck it up and let the inevitable unwind.
  
  As evidently, it just has.
  
  Thanks alt-left.
  
  What’s your next “clever” move on the rehabilitation chessboard? Give him back his hairpiece? Or is that a done deal courtesy of an alt-left judge and the rest of you are already moving on to the next social-justice “triumph?”
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:23pm
wiseowl

I said the changes Nick Smith has put up for the RMA were the most appalling I have ever seen.
This has been confirmed.
Leaked memo and explanation of this disgusting attempt at wrecking NZ totally all explained over at nzcpr.com.
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March 18, 2017 8:42pm
- reid3
  
  Thank you wiseowl.
  
  I urge all readers to click the link and wiseowl, if you’re available during weekdays @ 08.00 I urge you to repost your post for at least the next 10 working days so the max people read it.
  
  With only 15 sitting weeks before Parliament rises for the election, National will be extremely sensitive to the views of voters. With Nick Smith’s Memo clearly indicating that they take a great deal of notice of what NZCPR readers have to say, you have an opportunity to help stop the Bill. If you believe that Nick Smith’s Resource Legislation Amendment Bill should not proceed, then please share your views with the Prime Minister and his MPs – the email addresses of all MPs can be found on our NZCPR.com website HERE.
  
  Do it people.
  
  Do it.
  
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  March 18, 2017 8:53pm
  - reid3
    
    Here’s your post with the hyperlink in it.
    
    Leaked memo and explanation of this disgusting attempt at wrecking NZ totally all explained over at [a href=”http://www.nzcpr.com/an-abomination-of-a-bill/]”nzcpr.com[/a href].
    
    Just replace the [ and ] with the ones that look like arrows and you’re away.
    
    I can’t use the arrow keys here because as soon as the browser reads them it thinks they’re meaningful and displays the blue text you see….They’re the capital characters above the comma and full stop keys.
    
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    March 18, 2017 9:00pm
    - simpleton1
      
      http://www.nzcpr.com/an-abomination-of-a-bill/
      
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      March 19, 2017 12:06am
wiseowl

Thanks Reid.
It is a very serious issue that needs maximum exposure.
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March 18, 2017 9:36pm
- reid3
  
  Indeed it is and we shall see what happens as the week progresses.
  
  I understand journalists check this site during the week.
  
  Given how keen they are to get an anti-National story it’ll be interesting to see if this one gets the MSM airtime it merits.
  
  Of course publicising it goes against iwi interests and we all know where stories on that end up.
  
  Too bad it wasn’t a bunch of bankers doing the precise same thing…
  
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  March 18, 2017 10:04pm
Kea

The nicely ordered ranks of Christs soldiers all chanting in unison and crying for war.
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March 18, 2017 11:35pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Missed ya, xxxxxxxxxxx
  
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  March 18, 2017 11:39pm
  - Kea
    
    Good to see a few free thinkers remaining X
    
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    March 18, 2017 11:41pm
    - Jack5
      
      😀 Gidday Kea:
      
      Welcome back, old bird.
      
      It’s been too quiet for too long.
      
      Down from the snowline to rip out sheeple kidneys and nail up Christians, eh Kea?
      
      I’ll watch the carnage in Arena Farrarius from a seat in the high-up, cheap-ticket back rows.
      
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      March 19, 2017 1:32am
      - Jack5
        
        Not only a cheap seat, but a safe scaredy-cat seat, still with rights to vote in the thumbs up, thumbs down verdict on keyboard gladiators.
        
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        March 19, 2017 1:44am
- Harriet
  
  “…..The nicely ordered ranks of Christs soldiers all chanting in unison and crying for war….”
  
  Yep. Pinochet was taught by the Marist brothers. He didn’t let the country fall to communism, and we won’t let it fall to sharia. He didn’t use excess. We place the orders and pay the bills for the entire military industrial complex. The left don’t, so it’s ours, we own it. All of it.
  
  In time and if need be, we will lead a Crusade and raise the flag of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, everywhere —- the old Crusader state flag.
  
  “For the good and Creation” — Knight Templars. 😎
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iB1aGDIGlQA
  
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  March 19, 2017 7:49am
sam green

Free? No but she’s cheap. ?
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March 19, 2017 12:07am
Northland Wahine

Buggar Kea, was scrolling your post and pushed report by accident! Apologies.
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March 19, 2017 8:39pm
Northland Wahine

http://nzh.tw/11820070…

One word….Sterilisation.
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March 19, 2017 8:43pm
MH

Turei back in the news, Herald mentions her fraud over baby benefits – but no mention of her admitted electoral fraud by voting more than once…has she paid any money back or is that a privacy issue ?
this is what is wrong with NZ we allow this to go unpunished, less than 40 yrs ago this would not be tolerated. Role morals indeedy.
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