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William of Ockham

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Wire tap: Mr Trump on Fox News tells you all you need to know.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-barack-obama-wiretapping-phone-new-york-times-trump-tower-us-election-a7632631.html
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March 17, 2017 8:00am
- PhilBest
  
  Fascinating how General Mike Flynn’s phone conversations from Trump Tower were tapped, but “Trump Tower wasn’t tapped”….according to the ongoing fake news narrative
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:15am
  - Tirebiter
    
    Fascinating? Individual phones are usually targeted. Flynn’s phone was targeted it could have been tapped anywhere he went – and whether he went to the tower or not.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:23am
  - virtualmark
    
    Given what we now know about Flynn’s connections to Russia (today’s headline “Michael Flynn received more payments from Russia-related entities than previously reported”) it is perhaps no surprise that Flynn was being closely watched.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:27am
    - PhilBest
      
      And Democrats getting payments from anywhere – including Russia? Fair game for a Republican Administration to tap into and use for political advantage? Imagine if this had happened round this way, what would the NYT, CNN, MSNBC etc be saying?
      
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      March 17, 2017 8:41am
      - virtualmark
        
        (sigh)
        
        PhilBest,
        
        There is a huge difference between (a) external lobbyists being paid by foreign clients and (b) people in the Executive and the administration who have recently been/are being paid by foreign clients.
        
        If you can’t see that you are wilfully ignorant.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:02am
      - PhilBest
        
        Excuse me… people who are new to the Executive, have to have had careers of some kind prior to that, don’t they?
        
        Since when was the past connections of newcomers to the executive, a moral justification to leak illegally obtained communications? Heck, the fake news people don’t even want to know about Hillary’s communications well into her job as SecState.
        
        Utterly flagrant hypocrisy, and the American public can see it.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:38am
      - virtualmark
        
        PhilBest,
        
        In 2009 Obama made an executive order that anyone who’d been a lobbyist in the last 12 months could not be appointed to an Administration position. There were also a bunch of other provisions restricting the ability to be a lobbyist once you left the Administration.
        
        In Trump’s first week he passed a new executive order that weakened Obama’s one so that anyone who’d been a lobbyist in the last 2 years could work in the Administration, but not in a position where they would have contact with someone they’d lobbyed for. Trump’s executive order also weakened the restrictions on people leaving the Administration to become lobbyists.
        
        (Then Trump appointed Flynn as National Security Advisor … even though Flynn had lobbyed for Turkey, and had dubious contact with the Russians … both countries he would no doubt have been involved with as NSA.)
        
        So yes, people who are new to the Executive have to had careers prior to that. But there have been, and should be, sensible restrictions on them to ensure they don’t bring any conflicts of interest in with them to their new roles.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:46am
      - virtualmark
        
        PhilBest,
        
        Since when was the past connections of newcomers to the executive, a moral justification to leak illegally obtained communications?
        
        Which are the illegally obtained communications? Point them out to us.
        
        As far as I’m aware the only illegally obtained communications in US politics in the last 12 months were the DNC’s hacked emails. And the Don tells me it’s a good thing to have those out in the open.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:51am
    - PhilBest
      
      On Russia, I think Ann Coulter makes not a bad argument, at least relating to liberal-lefty hypocrisy.
      
      http://humanevents.com/2017/03/15/lets-make-russia-our-sister-country/?utm
      
      “…Have you guys heard of the Evil Empire? Now Democrats are hypersensitive to a Russian leader’s flaws?
      
      Liberals were cool with the show trials, the alliance with Hitler, the gulags, the forced starvations, the shooting down of American planes and goose-stepping through Eastern Europe.
      
      But that was when the Russian leader was Joseph Stalin or Nikita Khrushchev — not the beast Putin!
      
      Back then, liberals were spying for Stalin (Julius Rosenberg’s code name: “Liberal”), the U.S. president was calling the bloodthirsty dictator “Uncle Joe,” and The New York Times was covering up Stalin’s infamous crimes. In the storied history of fake news, the Times’ Walter Duranty won a Pulitzer Prize for his false reports denying the Ukrainian famine, in which more than 7 million people were deliberately starved to death.
      
      As far as the Times is concerned, those were Russia’s halcyon days…
      
      “…We really could have used some of this fighting spirit about 50 years ago when the Soviet Union sought total world domination and Stalin’s spies were crawling through the U.S. government. But back then, liberals were blackening the names of Whittaker Chambers, Richard Nixon and Sen. Joe McCarthy. (Later proved 100 percent correct by the top-secret Venona Project.)
      
      Russia’s loss of the left’s esteem happened very quickly. In 2008, The New York Times editorial page demanded that Obama “signal to the Russians that he wants better relations,” and complained of the “alarming” deterioration of “Russian-American relations” under Bush.
      
      It was considered the height of statesmanship when Obama was caught on a hot-mic in 2012, telling Russian president Dmitry Medvedev, “This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility. I understand you.”
      
      To hoots of laughter at the Democratic National Convention, Obama said: “You don’t call Russia our number one enemy — not Al-Qaida, Russia — unless you’re still stuck in a Cold War mind warp.”
      
      MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow couldn’t contain her hilarity over the GOP offering “an extra bonus of threatening Russia.”
      
      But today, Democrats (and two especially showboating Republicans) are horrified that Trump wants to get along with Russia…”
      
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      March 17, 2017 8:46am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Ann Coulter just can’t resist this sort of argument. It’s like kicking a person on the ground that’s already been beaten up. Yes, it makes her feel good, and makes her look good to some people, but doesn’t really help advance anything.
        
        Yes, the Democrats had a huge shock as to what the Russians are capable of. No surprise there.
        
        What next? Just roll over and take it?? Is that what she wants?
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:52am
      - ztev
        
        The NY Times doesnt award Pulitzer prizes. They have acknowledged that his storys only relied of official accounts.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:17am
      - realityczech
        
        “the alliance with Hitler”
        
        The Russians are fanatical Nazi haters. No people suffered more in the war. Nothing even comes close.
        
        The Poles were the ones who loved the Nazi.
        
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        March 17, 2017 7:04pm
    - reid3
      
      Yes certainly does look sus don’t it but this doesn’t change the fact it was leaked to the compliant media as part of an obvious campaign. Does it.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:56am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Mike Flynn’s phone conversations were picked up, most likely, because the Russians’ phones were tapped. You phone someone who is being surveilled and you get caught up in their surveillance. Nothing sinister there.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:42am
  - ztev
    
    Thats because it was the Russian Ambassador whos phone was tapped or however foreign government Flynn was being paid by.
    
    Perhaps you have noticed…occasionally… a phone call is between 2 people.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:58am
  - Tirebiter
    
    Calling the traditional media ‘fake news’ because what they report goes against your view of the world is a dangerous tactic. Fun now, but wait. It will come back and bite you on the ass. It always does.
    This is not to say the MSM don’t have a lot to answer for. They do. They are massively powerful and unaccountable corporate entities that spend much of their time disseminating governmental and corporate propaganda. Except on the extreme fringes their ideology is profits – not politics.
    
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    March 17, 2017 11:10am
- paul scott
  
  The English language is quite easy to understand William of O if you listen .
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:51am
duggledog

Oh give it a rest William.

Donald is President. For the best part of the next four years.

Just get that mortgage and credit card paid off quick smart and get a job working in the productive sector before it’s too late.

I’d advise anything in tourism, agriculture or the military.
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March 17, 2017 8:08am
- cmm
  
  Yup, I have a friend in EPA who was part of an Obama lolly-hand out programme. He’s had his cardboard board box ready since December.
  
  Bright bloke so society will benefit immensely when he goes back to doing free market work again.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:15am
- Liberty
  
  “Donald is President. For the best part of the next four years.”
  
  Only because it takes years to impeach a president.
  Then Don is as dodgy as Nixon and he did a runner. I suspect the same will happen this time.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:44am
  - dime
    
    lol 8 years dude.
    
    8 years of solid butt hurt
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:48am
    - ztev
      
      How many judges have been giving Trump the ‘butt hurt’ – (what psychologically disturbed phrases you use !)
      
      Fancy Trump not knowing the President doesnt make the laws on his own. Hes going to find it doesnt work so easily with his budget
      proposals too.
      
      Elections for Senate and House are every 2 years as well. GOP total control may be short, Remember Obama and the dems only had unified control for 2 years ( President House, Senate)
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:03am
      - Tirebiter
        
        Election to the Senate are every six years, house every two years.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:35am
      - ztev
        
        No they are not. 1/3 of Senate , roughly are elected every 2 years at same time as full House.
        
        There you go Tirebiter, some real facts for you. Any other rubbish you want corrected while we are at it.
        
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        March 17, 2017 11:51am
    - Garbageman
      
      And possibly 8 more years of the all knowing resident TDS sufferers to provide us with the joy of their daily meltdowns, GD & any Trump related (and often not) posts are the best comedy available for long workdays
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:06am
      - ztev
        
        Unlike you, we have seen his approval ratings, and they are the worst for any new President ever, being in negative territory.
        Judges whack Trump down every week, wait till he tries to get his Supreme court pick through- another whackback
        Then there is his budget, has to be passed by both House and Senate. House is easy ( except for Tea party who want more cuts) but Senate will be very hard
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:23am
      - virtualmark
        
        ztev,
        
        I suspect Trump will get Gorsuch approved without too many problems.
        
        There’ll be some theatre from the Democrats so they can vent their frustration that Gorsuch isn’t Merrick Garland. But Gorsuch is a good pick who’s ultimately acceptable to all parties.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:28am
      - virtualmark
        
        But I do think his budget proposal is going to get massacred in the House …
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:35am
      - ztev
        
        Senate still has filibuster rule. 60 votes.
        
        No chance of it being changed just for Trump, as they only have 52 votes, not enough margin for GOP leaders to prevail. Senators are very independent,must be at least 10 who hate Trump.
        Same leaders who voted against the mods they made a few years back for District court judges and Presidential appointments.
        
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        March 17, 2017 11:56am
      - virtualmark
        
        Yeah, understood on the filibuster. That’s what I meant by my reference to some theatre from the Dems. But I expect in the end they will agree that the Supreme Court seat needs to be filled, and Gorsuch is an acceptable replacement.
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:00pm
- paul scott
  
  Donald is President. For ~~best part of the next four years~~ eight years .
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:52am
  - ztev
    
    His control will be diminished after next elections in 2 years. All ways does.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:05am
    - Biscuit
      
      Not sure there, ztev.
      
      Everyone keeps talking about Trump’s low approval figures – but he has done nothing since the Election to make me think that his supporters (on Election Day) will flag him away.
      
      I’d say that his support in the five or six crucial states that won him the Presidency would be even higher given that he has done nothing since Election Day to alienate ‘his’ people…
      
      [As an aside, and something that always makes me curious, has ANY Kiwiblogger EVER been polled by, say, Colmar Brunton? I know of no such soul, heh heh…]
      
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      March 17, 2017 1:05pm
- Tirebiter
  
  Give him a break. The US right pissed and moaned about Mister Obama for eight years – along with the left; both with ample justification but for different reasons.
  What passes for the left in the US are always pissing and moaning because their candidates never win. (anybody thinking Obama was a ‘leftist’ let alone a socialist or a marxist has an imperfect understanding of what those -ists actually mean, or who Obama actually was. He came from the state legislature of Illinois, the single most corrupt state in the Union and was part of the corrupt government of that state – the same government that broke election law to ensure John Kennedy his presidency. Obama was as a corporate shill his entire legislative career but not a leftist – except in the imagination of those so far to the right that the near right (those pesky RINOs) seems left.
  After eight years of obstructionism the right are being testy about it being done to their candidate. A bit thin-skinned given the circumstances. But there you are.
  Not a Trump supporter. I’ve seen too much of his act over the years and think he is merely a media celebrity and clown woefully out of his depth. Sort of a male Kim Kardashian. But I think too that it is far too early to judge what kind of president he will be. I say give it a year and see.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:54am
holysheet

“Shit” may just be the most powerful word in the English language. You can be shit faced, shit out of luck, or have shit for brains. With a little effort, you can get your shit together, find a place for your shit or decide to shit or get off the pot. You can smoke shit, buy shit, sell shit, lose shit, find shit, forget shit, and tell others to eat shit and die. Some people know their shit while others can’t tell shit. There are lucky shits, dumb shits, crazy shits, and sweet shits. There is bull shit, horse shit and chicken shit. There is good shit and bad shit. You can throw shit, sling shit, catch shit, or duck when shit hits the fan. You can give a shit or serve shit on a shingle. You can find yourself in deep shit or be happier than a pig in shit. Some days are colder than shit, some days are hotter than shit, and some days are just plain shitty. Some music sounds like shit, things can look like shit, and there are times when you feel like shit. You can have too much shit, not enough shit, the right shit, the wrong shit or a lot of weird shit. You can carry shit, have a mountain of shit, or find yourself up shit creek without a paddle. Sometimes everything you touch turns to shit and other times you swim in a sea of shit and come out smelling like a rose. When you stop to consider all the facts, it’s the basic building block of creation.

And then there is Holyshit
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March 17, 2017 8:09am
- SGA
  
  “Shit” may just be the most powerful word in the English language.
  
  What the fuck? No fucking way.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:12am
  - PhilBest
    
    Reminds me of that spoof press release of names of Asiana Airlines flight crew that some TV outlets fell for….
    
    Sum Ting Wong
    Wi Tu Lo
    Bang Ding Ow
    Ho Li Fook
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:18am
    - kowtow
      
      Reminds me of the one about the Ho family.
      
      Heidi
      Forward
      and Ivan.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:14am
- Manolo
  
  Holy, holy shit!
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:13am
- pdm
  
  Is Jack Shit a relation of yours?
  
  Our son in law has for many years told mrspdm and I that we don’t know Jack Shit – and he is right we don’t. But if he is your relation perhaps you could introduce us.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:16am
  - kowtow
    
    Jack Shit is a near cousin of Fuck All.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:34am
  - holysheet
    
    Here he is;
    
    For some time many of us have wondered just who is Jack Schitt? We find ourselves at a loss when someone says, “You don’t know Jack Schitt!” Well, thanks to my genealogy efforts, you can now respond in an intellectual way.
    
    Jack Schitt is the only son of Awe Schitt.
    
    Awe Schitt, the fertilizer magnate, married Miss O. Needeep They had one son, Jack.
    
    In turn, Jack Schitt married Noe Schitt. The deeply religious couple produced six children: Holie Schitt, Giva Schitt, Fulla Schitt, Bull Schitt, and the twins Deap Schitt and Dip Schitt.
    
    Against her parents’ objections, Deap Schitt married her cousin Dumb Schitt, a high school dropout. After being married 15 years, Jack and Noe Schitt divorced.
    
    Noe Schitt later married Ted Sherlock, and, because her kids were living with them, she wanted to keep her previous name. She was then known as Noe Schitt Sherlock.
    
    Meanwhile, Dip Schitt married Loda Schitt, and they produced a son with a rather nervous disposition named Chick N. Schitt.
    
    Two of the other six children, Fulla Schitt and Giva Schitt, were inseparable throughout childhood and subsequently married the Happens brothers in a dual ceremony.
    
    The wedding announcement in the newspaper announced the Schitt-Happens nuptials.
    
    The Schitt-Happens children were Dawg, Byrd, and Hoarse. Bull Schitt, the prodigal son, left home to tour the world. He recently returned from Italy with his new Italian bride, Pisa Schitt.
    
    Now when someone says, “You don’t know Jack Schitt,” you can correct them.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:04am
  - Fletch
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bj563ViG7Qg
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:52am
- stephieboy
  
  Holysheet ,
  
  “And then there is Holyshit”
  
  In your case Holyturd much more preferable interchanged with holyexcrement
  
  Bit of self promotion there ?
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:43am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sigh . . .
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:52am
    - kowtow
      
      If you re arrange the first 7 letters in the trolls name you get
      
      shit pee boy,
      
      Kind of appropriate given today’s theme.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:38am
  - pentwig
    
    good grief steffie
    no sense of humour?
    what a sad soul you are
    do you know how to be nice?
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:19pm
Inandout

My wife said Jacinta’s hair looked kind of unkempt this morning. I couldn’t help replying ‘she looked OK, in the mane’.

Could I just add, Paula was in her usual positive bubbly mood.
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March 17, 2017 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  Saw Jacey”s picture in some newspaper this morning.
  I look forward to seeing her in a bikini next.
  Angry must be beginning to regret he did not chose Grunty as his Deputy.
  Jacey’s approval will supercede Angry’s and his Union masters will not be happy.
  Will Union Labour leadership change before the election ?
  
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  March 17, 2017 3:41pm
mikenmild

Tip of the day: Create the thrill of riding in a steeplechase by jumping off the roof of your garden shed with your hands in your pockets. If you don’t break your collarbone, try running into a nearby fence to make sure.
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March 17, 2017 8:09am
- Longknives
  
  Viz?
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:10am
  - mikenmild
    
    Yep
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:36am
Nukuleka

I wonder why The Independent failed as a print newspaper in the UK and now publishes only online. Perhaps it has something to do with its propensity to indulge in fake and unreliable ‘news’.
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March 17, 2017 8:09am
- cmm
  
  It failed in print because puppies wouldn’t even piss on it.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:12am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And made your chips taste funny
    
    Maybe that’s where the little pony got her political epiphany, reading the wrapping paper between wrapping the scoops.
    
    Little wonder she is devoid of an original thought
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:40am
- G152
  
  Newspaper printing presses are very expensive pieces of kit . Cheaper to have a web page and a computer literate staff…
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:29am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    How is that model working for that Auckland paper?
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:42am
- Tirebiter
  
  The owners traded journalism for click-bait as their business model.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:42am
Longknives

A smirking Jack Tame and that chick everyone apparently loves could barely contain their delight over the McDonalds ‘Trump has small hands’ Tweet.
Anyone else find this a little childish?
What the hell happened to Journalism/Media in New Zealand?
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March 17, 2017 8:10am
- BananaLlama
  
  The western world is doomed.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:14am
  - Paulus
    
    No – according to our major Newspapers New Zealand is totally doomed now.
    Before the election of course.
    Everything I have read recently, makes me wonder why I do not cut my own throat.
    There cannot be a more negative so called media.
    
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    March 17, 2017 3:44pm
- Inandout
  
  They would not have said that Obama has big ears. Eeek, that is racist.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:16am
  - cmm
    
    “Eeek, that is racist.”
    
    Nope it’s just biology. Same deal as African elephants having bigger ears than Asian elephants.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:30am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      What does that make Charles?
      
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      March 17, 2017 8:43am
      - cmm
        
        In Charles’ case it is probably just royal inbreeding.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:07am
    - Longknives
      
      I think Attenborough taught me that African Elephants huge ears evolved and grew to keep them cool in the heat- Kind of like an Air Conditioning unit.
      Isn’t nature fascinating?
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:20am
      - Inandout
        
        But isn’t Asia just as hot, and probably more humid?
        
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        March 17, 2017 2:02pm
- MCos
  
  Personally I don’t watch TV1 in the morning because I don’t like it.
  Why do you watch it?
  Matter of fact, I don’t know anyone who watches TV they don’t like.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:29am
  - mikenmild
    
    Hey you can’t just cut out a staple feature of Kiwiblog. Day after day, we have comments here about TV shows that the commenters profess to detest.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:38am
    - SGA
      
      or newspapers that they can’t bear to read. 🙂
      
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      March 17, 2017 8:51am
  - brett68
    
    Old people like to have something to moan about.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:00am
    - Longknives
      
      God I hope you were born in 68! As that would make you almost ten years older than this ‘Old Moaner’..
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:25am
    - Happychappy
      
      You are right we do moan but we did things that help us in life that the young don’t worry about. We were taught to respect our elder and have work ethic that lacks in the world today. People had there own gardens and grew lots of food to keep their family healthy and nourished. So I moan because with the young it is so easy to a make a excuse for all that goes wrong and point there finger at the Government when they could avoid it by refraining from wanting all the best equipment for them and their family without having the money to pay for it and then blaming others for them being poor.
      
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      March 17, 2017 11:40am
  - Longknives
    
    It’s on in the office at work- I don’t watch it by choice!
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:24am
  - Biscuit
    
    Ditto, MCos.
    
    New Zealand TV is largely irrelevant to my life, now.
    
    Far faster News is available from the BBC and CNN on both Sky and the Net.
    
    Ditto with newspapers, ha…
    
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    March 17, 2017 1:10pm
- doggone7
  
  What’s wrong with childish? It is valued currency on here and this is media in New Zealand
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:33am
- dime
  
  i suspect jack likes blokes with big hands
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:54am
  - virtualmark
    
    Someone who knows him tells me Jack is into girls, not guys. I know. I was surprised too.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:05am
    - dime
      
      girls with strap ons?
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:11am
      - virtualmark
        
        Is this still about what Jack likes? Or are we back to talking about you now? 🙂
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:16pm
    - Longknives
      
      So was Freddie Mercury…Initially..
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:27am
- holysheet
  
  Mean while over on TV 3 you get this shit
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/03/gloves-off-for-bennett-ardern-on-the-am-show.html
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:59am
  - GazzaW
    
    The only time I watch breakfast TV is in a hotel room because the radio is inevitably tuned into an undescribably bad music station or is unfunctional. How anyone can endure the immature condescending offerings of TV One or TV3 is quite beyond me. Try BBC World News – left wing yes but at least it’s adult left wing and not full of local trivia.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:42am
- cha
  
  Trump has small hands’
  
  Well, they are rather small.
  
  http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/sites/default/files/custom/Meena/TrumpsHand-outlineEMBED.jpg
  
  http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/how-small-are-trumps-hands-916593
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:42pm
Manolo

The glitterati will be up in arms. Imagine if PM English proposes to defund TVNZ and RNZ:
http://www.thewrap.com/trump-budget-killing-funding-pbs-npr-national-endowment-arts-public-broadcasting/

President Donald Trump made good on a long-time conservative goal in his first proposed budget Thursday morning, targeting the Corporation for Public Broadcasting and the National Endowments for the Arts and Humanities for complete elimination.
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March 17, 2017 8:11am
- Huevon
  
  Love Trump. So much winning.
  
  National, please take note. RNZ hates you. Why keep paying for it?
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:43am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Obviously RNZ have never heard they shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds you.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:14am
duggledog

Longknives

Differentiate between:

News / journalism

Light Entertainment.

Anyway saw an article yesterday saying Kevin Kenrick from TVNZ is going to cut a few jobs out of there, she’s going to be carnage I reckon.

Funny that they just blew a huge wad of cash on their new downtown premises which also went well over budget I heard. If free to air TV is dying (which is basically what he says) why would you go and do that?

Wouldn’t it have been better to sell the valuable site and take the whole shebang up to Albany or somewhere cheaper?
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March 17, 2017 8:13am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Too far from Grey Lynn, Pt Chev, Ponsonby and Mt Eden to travel…you know, all those that are really in touch with the ordinary kiwi.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:24am
  - GazzaW
    
    Do you mean those media SJWs who berate the Government each evening about the homeless and unaffordable housing who would be the first to scream blue murder if their renovated Californian bungalows in Grey Lynn were to halve in value overnight. Every bungalow with its requisite 1.5 pakeha kids, beehive, chook run, vege patch, two leased Beamers and a mortgage to match. Yeah they are really in touch.
    
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    March 17, 2017 1:35pm
- cmm
  
  ” free to air TV”
  
  it only looks free because most people are too stupid to figure out where the money comes from.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:35am
  - MCos
    
    It’s free because you don’t have to pay a subscription as well as put up with advertising
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:44am
    - Happychappy
      
      Whats free when Tax payers have to put up with $800,000 is forked out to make a film about Dot Com and his frauds against the film industry.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:09am
    - cmm
      
      “you don’t have to pay a subscription”
      
      You have to pay whether you watch or not. It’s called tax.
      
      “put up with advertising”
      
      They’re relentlessly pushing Green/Labour agenda. That’s advertising.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:10am
- waikatogirl
  
  TVNZ are pushing their On Demand. Guess they are hoping that will become a large part of the new TV platform.
  I used to watch On Demand occasionally but then TVNZ insisted everyone ‘sign in’. I gave up trying to get connected after the third attempt. If access to technology is not easy I bin it.
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:20am
- macdee
  
  that dish Petrie first
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:32am
Happychappy

Whale Oil have a photo on their site with the words owner getting treatment fore his face in prep for election. Well it should be his brain especially when he keeps repeating that he is the big player in the up coming General Election. If he thinks jumping into bed with Winston will help he is deluded as its all about Winston Peters not Whale Oil that is there for his purpose and only his.
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March 17, 2017 8:15am
- Northland Wahine
  
  ? I’m somewhat confused.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    It is Happy so not unusual, just roll with it ?
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:46am
  - Happychappy
    
    So am I so just move on and read another comment.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:02am
  - GazzaW
    
    Just checked out the site and all is explained in the Face Of The Day post. Interesting to see he is still running with the McCully UN Israel ‘outrage’ .
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:58am
    - reid3
      
      It’s cos he took the free trip to Israel where they explain to media players how important it is to get with the apartheid regime they call Israel. They don’t tell the useful idiot attendees that’s why they got an all expenses trip of course but that’s what it is. And Cam ever since has been obediently pro Israel just like they prefer. Ask yourself why only Israel does this and why. It’d be easier if they stopped acting like an apartheid regime of course then they wouldn’t have to keep finding all these media players. But evidently they prefer to find people who will lie for them.
      
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      March 17, 2017 12:11pm
    - Paulus
      
      Nothing else to keep trying to make himself relevant – but his own blog so he can say what he likes and you are welcome to take no notice – I do.
      
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      March 17, 2017 3:53pm
- waikatogirl
  
  I always enjoy the daily puzzle of working out what Happy is saying. ?
  He makes some good points.
  Morning Happychappy!
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:26am
  - Happychappy
    
    Good morning waikatogirl yes it even tests me sometimes, and what a magic day it is in North Waikato.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:47am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Perfect further south too HC. ?
      
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      March 17, 2017 11:45am
- Ambergris
  
  The deluded at Whaleoil somehow seem to think voting NZ First will move politics to the right in New Zealand. I get a headache trying to figure that.
  
  More likely the man behind Whaleoil hates English more just as he hates Key, I think because they disrespected him sometime in the past. Hence the continued slagging, and the over inflated opinion of his own importance.
  
  For me it’s ruined a previous worthwhile read. I am still bemused why some there follow his cause.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:26am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Probably all burned investors of “Freed” wanting their money back.
    
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    March 17, 2017 11:18am
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/90493334/christchurch-city-council-committee-keen-to-introduce-citys-own-dollar

Numpty Raf Manji in the news again.
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March 17, 2017 8:26am
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How quaint it was to see our usual suspects yesterday having a whinge binge over the spectacularly unremarkable performance of their latest great white hope , Geert Wilders , flunking out at the Dutch elections.

An alt right politician whose cold steely blue eyes bears resemblance to another, namely plumper Steve Bannon . Not forgetting ., of course ,another from the not too distance past , the Hangman of Bohemia , SS-Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich .The three also sharing a certain ideological kinship. .

I was able to locate a theatrical tears kit and share a pretend whimpering and sulking at the demise of this latest alt right mutation. .
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March 17, 2017 8:27am
- BananaLlama
  
  The Dutch labor party won 6% of the vote. Goodbyyyyyyeee commies better luck next time.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:28am
  - SPC
    
    The Greens and Socialists won more than Geert, Labour paid for being in coalition with an austerity policy centre-right government. Those to their left took their votes.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:50am
  - BananaLlama
    
    Progs lost five seats to Conservatives. The left lost 12 seats to The Right and the working class voted heavily for Wilders. I’ll take that victory.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:37am
    - ztev
      
      Was that another ‘victory’ like Trumps – where the other side gets more votes. ?
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:26am
      - Elaycee
        
        Sheesh, ztev….. you’re living proof that having a long neck isn’t a prerequisite for being a goose.
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:35pm
- Inandout
  
  There was a definite swing to the right stephie, not a good sign for the migrant invasion. By he way, your grammar is (almost) acceptable. Have you been having English lessons?
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:51am
  - GazzaW
    
    ……..just a different stephie on Kiwiblog duty today. Team stephie members have varying degrees of literacy albeit the same level of intellect.
    
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    March 17, 2017 1:19pm
- Nukuleka
  
  Great to see you focusing on the issues that are so important here- like the girth of Steve Bannon’s belly.
  
  No one begrudges people their points of view and the Dutch elections are a worthy topic of discussion but when all they can do is write about the size of someone’s belly then really they have lost the plot. As for that final sentence… really????
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:52am
- Manolo
  
  Are you OK, stephieboy? Your almost incoherent rant was completely out of character.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:52am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Manolo, finished your whimpering ?
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:58am
    - Nukuleka
      
      stephieboy: you ought to realise that you cannot be taken seriously and your viewpoints regarded with any sort of consideration when you post vitriolic and personal attacks. Just focus on the issues and then let’s have a rational, adult and intelligent discussion. It is no wonder that Kiwibloggers have concerns for your personal welfare. We are genuinely worried for you and those with whom you come into contact.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:15am
      - reid3
        
        I’m only worried about the latter.
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nukuleka , Wilders did not do nearly as well as the polls indicated .
        
        The party that could crow the most were the “leftie ” Greens ,delighted as they are with their result.
        
        I have a clean bill of health and suggest you put the focus especially on your own mental health needs
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:37pm
- Ross12
  
  I didn’t follow the Dutch election closely but I saw an interview in BBC last night where the journalist said that while Wilders didn’t do as well as his followers may have liked , he and his party had an influence on other parties who picked up on some of his policies or adapted their own policy on issues to be closer to Wilder’s party policy.
  So not all was lost.
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The PVV was founded in 2006… In the Dutch Parliamentary Elections of 2006 , it became the 5th largest party; in 2010 the PVV was the 3rd largest party in Parliament, now it is the 2nd largest.
    It is not a spent force.
    
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    March 17, 2017 11:04am
    - Manolo
      
      It seems only a matter of time before Mr Wilders becomes PM, doesn’t it?
      
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      March 17, 2017 11:06am
      - SPC
        
        Trump level delusion.
        
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        March 17, 2017 11:57am
    - SPC
      
      Of course it is – at the high tide mark for popular nationalism the party only won 19 of 150 seats – and has no coalition partners.
      
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      March 17, 2017 11:08am
    - SPC
      
      Maggy you are ignoring the fragmentation of Dutch politics to misrepresent the trend.
      
      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39291069
      
      Check out the percentage of the vote the Freedom Party won in elections since 2006.
      
      It has won a higher vote share in 3 previous elections, 2009, 2010 and 2014. It is not trending up it is barely at the average for the 2009-2015 period.
      
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      March 17, 2017 11:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I was responding to Ross12…
        
        PVV is remaining as a real presence in the Parliament and other parties are shifting ground.
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:43pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “Dutch Greens almost quadruple seats as pro-environment parties register big gains in Netherlands election”
      
      Support for the progressive D66 and GreenLeft was way up on 2012
      
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/netherlands-dutch-election-green-left-party-geert-wilders-mark-rutte-a7632451.html
      
      Put’s a bit of perspective on PVV’s rather lame result .
      
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      March 17, 2017 12:43pm
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Fascinating cognitive dissonance from you Stiffy, given your Chosen People idolise the same people from the “not so distant” past and their solution to the problem of another “chosen” peoples.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:07am
- Garbageman
  
  Damn Stephie no wonder you went into days of self imposed mourning after Trumps victory if your excitement over a Dutch election is anything to go by btw just curious if there is anything remotely on the right side of politics you cant turn into one of your bizarre connect the dots Nazi comparisons now its just having blue eyes what’s next a moustache that doesn’t meet the required length
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:45am
Don the Kiwi

only 29 to go.
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March 17, 2017 8:28am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  12
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:32am
- stephieboy
  
  Five more years !
  
  LOL
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:58am
Paulus Gnome

Happy St Paddy’s to all our Irish friends and all those who discover one does not have to be Irish to get pist on green Guinness later today only to remember (again) that sore heads and doing silly things while drinking to excess, is not limited to St Pats day ? ☘
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March 17, 2017 8:30am
SPC

Emperor Nero at MPI …

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/90500527/Fears-Chilean-needle-grass-could-spread-across-New-Zealand
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March 17, 2017 8:34am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  The plant has been in the country since 1940.
  
  I think there have been a fair number of Neros at their fiddles.
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:13am
  - wiseowl
    
    Correct Maggy.
    I did some site visits with very concerned council staff about 20 years ago.
    All about funding to control.
    As far as I know it is still present.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:26am
KevOB

Why is our state owned TV denigrating the President of the United States?
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March 17, 2017 8:35am
- SPC
  
  Why do people who denigrate the former POTUS have a problem with those who denigrate the current POTUS?
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:46am
  - KevOB
    
    Each in their turn deserve respect in office. That is a requirement of effective government.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Why not ?
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:47am
  - hmmokrightitis
    
    Because balance and impartiality stephie. I know, its a concept you dont get. Id prefer my news to reflect fact, not some fucktards opinion, and to have ‘tv personalities’ giggling over shit like this is actually embarrassing.
    
    Yes, I know, you dont get that either.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      hmmokrightitis , since when have you and other Trumpets displayed” balance and impartilaity towards the former POTUS ?
      
      ‘ Yes, I know, you dont get that either” to coin your quaint remark.
      
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      March 17, 2017 3:17pm
  - sooty
    
    Same reason everyone, hates you!
    
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    March 17, 2017 6:44pm
PhilBest

Mark Steyn made many interesting points in a recent speech:

http://www.steynonline.com/7707/steyn-live-where-were-headed

One of them is, does the “centre right” in politics understand the consequences of never making a stand against the social progressives? They wrongly assume that each time will be the last, and then the SJW’s will go away and leave them in peace.

But there is always a “next fight”, and it has now come to things no-one ever heard of or thought of. Gay marriage was unheard of during decades of Gay rights conflict. Now we are required to assent to all sorts of absurdities regarding transgenderism. Women who protest against competing in sport and sharing bathrooms with people with a dick, are being condemned as “bigots”.

Steyn points out that anyone who thinks they are part of a group who benefit from progressive activism on their behalf, needs to understand that they will be thrown to the wolves themselves at any time as a matter of convenience to the latest phase of the war on common sense values. Women and gays right now are being thrown to the Muslim wolves in Sweden and other parts of Europe, for example.

Steyn’s question remains: when are the “centre right” going to wake up and start saying “no”? They have become such masters at rationalizing for themselves just how “reasonable” the progressives arguments are, is there anything that is beyond possibility just because it is “beyond the pale” right now, in, say, the next 20 years?

No-one in Hollywood including the star Liam Neeson, experienced any censure over a sympathetic portrayal of the moral monster Dr Alfred Kinsey, in a movie way back in 2004. In fact it was handed several awards by the beautiful people.
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- stephieboy
  
  The Kinsey Reports , Sexual Behaviour in the Human Male and Female ?
  
  Not forgetting Dr Spock ? How many more Steyn suggesting banning and burning ?
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0BzzLm_rTs
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Probably referring to the moral monster’s habit of screwing his students, his co-workers, conducting sexual abuse observations on infants and children and fibbing about his research.
    http://s3.amazonaws.com/churchplantmedia-cms/first_stone_ministries_oklahoma_city_ok/kinseys-criminal-psychopathology-in-american-law_judith-gelernter-reisman.pdf
    
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    March 17, 2017 11:44am
- SPC
  
  Common sense values at which point in time?
  
  Before women voted?
  When discipline of the wife was like smacking children, and marital rape was not prosecuted?
  When homosexuality was illegal for men and could have you regarded as mentally ill and committed if a woman?
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:09am
  - Scott
    
    Can I just say SPC that I hate what you are saying about rape in marriage. I just hate and despise that line of argument. It’s bullshit and you know it’s bullshit.
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:17am
    - SPC
      
      Going for the big lie are we – provide evidence that marital rape was prosecuted historically then. Go ahead.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:26am
      - Scott
        
        First of all it’s such a bullshit idea. The idea that we were horrible to our wives and abused them in the past. My grandfathers and my uncles were very nice to their wives. They were gentlemen in a way that is almost unknown today.
        
        Secondly this line that courts should be involved in marriages and when they are not it is bad. The marriage union is a sexual union. Men and women in marriage are supposed to look after each other’s needs. I suspect it was very difficult for a court to want to become involved in that.
        
        I just think it’s another leftist line of trashing our past and trashing our ancestors. It’s just what some people want to do, to trash the past.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:34am
      - SPC
        
        So no evidence whatsoever then.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:49am
      - Kimbo
        
        Scott, I’m going to go easy as we have made our peace. Nonetheless, when you represent what is a supposed conservative Christian viewpoint that, IMHO, has glaring omissions, and is more reliant on an ideological, rather than fact-based perspective (ironic, as that is what you claim to critique in “liberal progressives”), your post deserves a response:
        
        The idea that we were horrible to our wives and abused them in the past. My grandfathers and my uncles were very nice to their wives. They were gentlemen in a way that is almost unknown today.
        
        Good on your grandfathers and uncles. But did you ever hear of Christian organisation known as the Women’s Temperance League? Care to reflect on what – including the widespread violent effects of alcohol in the family – they were campaigning against? Spousal and family abuse, including forced sex with a spouse were widespread enough for them to achieve prohibition in the USA, and they almost managed it here in NZ too. And you live a very sheltered life if you were not aware similar patterns were common in families in the 1970s and 1980s when the legislation was first mooted. And still are today
        
        Secondly this line that courts should be involved in marriages and when they are not it is bad. The marriage union is a sexual union. Men and women in marriage are supposed to look after each other’s needs. I suspect it was very difficult for a court to want to become involved in that.
        
        I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but it is more than a sexual union. You are right that if you have a crime on the books for spousal rape, it opens up all sorts of “he-said, she-said” dilemmas, and it was that problem that was discussed and debated at the time. But a simple test – if a wife came to you, as a Christian, seeking your counsel, advising she was being assaulted by her husband, and, in contrast to the loving mutual sexual relationship counselled in the Scriptures…what would you suggest she do? And what, if any support should there be in law if it is “leave her brute of a husband?”. I know what is “supposed” to be in a marriage, but have you forgotten we live in a fallen world where “ought” and “supposed” are not the same as “is”?
        
        I just think it’s another leftist line of trashing our past and trashing our ancestors. It’s just what some people want to do, to trash the past.
        
        Sure. Fair concern. But is it not also ideological deceit to see it through rose-tinted glasses as some golden age, when in reality…it never existed? I seem to recall Scripture counsels Christians to exercise…sober judgement.
        
        Anyway, shalom.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:51am
      - Scott
        
        Kimbo – what you say is fair enough. However in the past people relied on morals and tradition to regulate their marriage. I would argue that husbands in the past were generally kinder and less abusive to their spouses than they are today. The idea that rape in marriage was not part of common-law and so everyone was fine with it is not true. Men were expected to behave themselves and look after their wives.
        Now it may be that the courts had to get involved because of some particularly egregious cases of spousal abuse. However I would imagine they would get involved reluctantly because they didn’t want to be interfering in marriages.
        I just really don’t like the idea that we were uncivilised in the past and marriages were terrible and husbands used to beat and rape their wives. I don’t think that’s true.
        I think our grandfathers and our great-grandfather’s were often better men than we are. They didn’t need the court system to tell them to love their wives and cherish them.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:06am
      - GoVege
        
        Scott. ..done your family tree?
        Look up some old newspapers and you might see some of your ancestors prosecuted for drunkenness and abuse.
        BTW. ..do you know what “rule of thumb ” mean’s?
        
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        March 17, 2017 3:35pm
- Scott
  
  Yes the thing about liberal progressivism is that it never goes away. The essence of the left is finding causes to protest about and overturn society about.
  So having brought in gay marriage they immediately turned to transgender and then if they win that argument they will immediately turn into something else. Polygamy appears to be the next cause on the horizon and after that lowering the age of consent.
  
  One thing I love about Donald Trump is that he fights the left and he fights political correctness. I would rather have him any day of the week than these well mannered polite “conservative” politicians that just roll over and pander to the left and will never fight on anything.
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:16am
  - SPC
    
    Boy are you confused.
    
    Polygamy is not a social progressive thing – it is Islamic and before then of conservative patriarchy, Jewish etc the wealthy elite harem etc.
    
    Now polyamoury is more progressive, warn us about that …
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:32am
    - Scott
      
      Polygamy is not conservative in New Zealand. We’ve had one man and one woman in marriage for life since the beginning of our nation. It comes from the Bible, the New Testament. Western civilisation has thought this way about marriage for 2 millennia.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:38am
      - ztev
        
        The Bible is full of polygamy, not so much polyandry.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:12am
      - GoVege
        
        I know lots of polygamous guys who call themselves Christian.
        You are helping support the kids of their “extra” marriages with the DPB.
        
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        March 17, 2017 3:18pm
    - SPC
      
      You were arguing advocacy for polygamy was progressive, when it is even prior to Christendom and its advocacy for the man as head disciplinarian of the household …
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:52am
      - Scott
        
        That’s a good point SPC. I would argue that the progressive left are not actually progressing. What in reality is happening is they are taking us back to the morals of ancient Greece and ancient Rome where polygamy, homosexuality, abortion and infanticide were prevalent.
        It’s a case of “back to the future”.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:57am
      - SPC
        
        Rome and Greece did not practice polygamy, the Jews of that time did though.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:06am
      - Kimbo
        
        Scott is right in the sense that the “progressive left” are radical-critical in perspective and action, so the emphasis is on overturning the current power structure, but the details, in the wider sweep of history are irrelevant. As they share the dialectic method of Marxism and radical feminism, it is what is now imposed by the ruling hegemony that is classified as oppressive. Polygamy may once have been oppressive to women some 3,000 years ago, but now the model that oppresses is monogamy. Therefore it must be opposed.
        
        And, as Scott suggests, and in the absence of the classless/genderless/racially and sexual orientation harmonious utopia, and in line with Hegel’s original conception with Marx’s application to the economic and social realm, there will be a constant dialectic. The first synthesis included polygamy, the current one rejects it, the new one will embrace it. Is part of the reason traditional “fixed values” conservatives find left wing analysis a case of moving goals posts.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:24am
    - PhilBest
      
      “…Polygamy is not a social progressive thing…”
      
      Sez you, today. And seemingly accurately.
      
      The whole point is – to expect the unthinkable from the progressive left.
      
      I have come to believe that the denominator that explains everything the progressive Left take up as a matter of faith, is: “does it bust the arse of our civilisation a little bit more: yes / no”?
      
      Hence hypocrisies like selectively throwing all those hard-won women’s rights to the winds if some retrograde “other” culture shows up as a handy WMD against our civilisation. While PC establishments are busy prosecuting white males for spousal rape, they are covering up for immigrant rape gangs and their systematic exploitation of 12-year-olds.
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:13am
    - waikatogirl
      
      So if it isn’t christian how come sects of the mormon church practice polygamy?
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:30am
      - Scott
        
        Hi Waikato girl – in answer to your question the Mormons are generally not classified as part of Christianity. The same with the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Those groups would disagree with this but generally we would see them as a cult. They came out of Christianity but their beliefs are not Orthodox.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:56am
      - Kimbo
        
        As per Scott.
        
        But if you regard Mormons as part of the general grouping of Christendom, which includes 19th Century American frontier religion, the reason for Mormon polygamy goes back to Mormonism’s founder Joseph Smith, and after his death at the hands of a mob, his successor and the great consolidator of Mormonism, Brigham Young.
        
        Both taught that polygamy was a good, necessary and unchangeable doctrine. Men in the after-life will be transformed into gods, fathering spirit-babies to populate worlds they will create, and they need a harem of spirit-wives to to it with…whom they collect via polygamy in this life (I don’t make the rules of Mormonism, I just report them, even if the nice men on bikes won’t tell you this first-up if you let them into your house to make their presentation 😉 ).
        
        Critics of both Smith and Young would say, with plenty of evidence IMHO, that, like Muhammed, they wanted a religiously-sanctioned way to chase extra skirt…and polygamy was it. Not surprisingly, polygamy and the attendant wife- and daughter-stealing was opposed by non-Mormons, and it was the reason for Smith’s frontier-justice death at the hands of a mob in Illinois in 1844. Young then transplanted the Mormon community out of harm’s way into the relative isolation of Utah. Where they still practiced polygamy and had hostile relations with outsiders. Check out the Mountain Meadows Massacre, almost certainly ordered by Young, Again, shades of Muhammed.
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountain_Meadows_massacre
        
        However, the frontier continued to grow, and, after hostilities cooled 50 years later, and when Utah wanted admission to the union with full statehood in the 1890s, the federal government demanded that it was on condition that polygamy was renounced. Which, despite it being an “unchangeable doctrine”, the then-Mormon prophet received a message from God rescinding the practice. However, as it was “unchangeable”, and is written of as such in Mormon canonical books, it is still practiced by fundamentalist groups looking to remain true to the original faith.
        
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        March 17, 2017 11:13am
      - KevOB
        
        The Church of the latter Day Saints is not Christian and cannot be Christian.
        It is based on “revelations” by Joseph Smith.
        
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        March 17, 2017 1:59pm
      - MCos
        
        I’ll think you’ll find Mormons consider themselves to be Christian and who’s to say there’re not?
        There’s no overall authority that can make a judgement call; certainly not on Kiwiblog!
        
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        March 17, 2017 3:10pm
  - Tirebiter
    
    Scott
    “Yes the thing about liberal progressivism is that it never goes away.”
    
    Really? I would think that authoritarianism and monarchy predated institutional ‘liberal progressivism’ by a long chalk – and we still have kings, dictators, and strongmen – though progressivism is in retreat.
    I certainly don’t remember any ancient people talking about progressivism but a lot of them go on and on about how wonderful their kings and emperors were. It seems that that never goes away. Progressivism is a response to authoritarianism.
    
    About Mister Trump. Your position confuses me. You seem to prefer a stable society and long-held tradition yet you praise an individual who wants to bring all that to an end. I agree with you, the world has coarsened over the last 35 years of my life, but Trump is not the savior, he is the personification of this coarsening.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:23am
    - Scott
      
      Tire biter – interesting point and happy to reply. Trump is a guy who can be relied upon to hit back consistently when criticised and proportionally. He hit backs against the left and political correctness.
      
      His temperament is probably not ideal but I would argue that it has become a necessity to fight against the deadening political correctness of our day. There have been plenty of conservatives who are moderate and reasonable and have not done a darn thing to stem the leftist progressive tide.
      
      An appropriate analogy would be World War II. The British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain was a moderate measured kind of fellow. But he was absolutely useless in the face of great evil. And so the British turned to Winston Churchill who was something of a maverick, very outspoken and was seen by some as an alarmist warmonger. But the British knew that they needed a man of action who would fight.
      
      The thing about Trump is that he can certainly be intemperate but he has the one great advantage – he is prepared to fight.
      
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      March 17, 2017 11:02am
      - Tirebiter
        
        Scott
        Thanks for the reply. Now for the fun.
        
        What I infer from your post is that you blame progressives for the corrupted state the US is in? Could you explain why? I don’t need any real evidence at this point, just please explain what makes you think that.
        
        You believe Mister Trump can be relied upon. I don’t know what you base this on, but then I don’t know what you know. Except for a controversial business history he has no track record, only campaign rhetoric. I’ve probably followed him far longer than you and I still don’t know what to think. I do think this though: Trump will ultimately do what’s best for him – whatever happens to everything else. It’s wired into him. I hope he improves the US – it needs it. But I don’t see it happening. The rot is just too extensive for one man or even one generation to fix. Americans abandoned politics because it was hard and time-consuming and wasn’t as bright and shiny as their easily bored primate minds wanted. And the jackals moved in and took over. Trump did not bring the jackals, they brought him.
        The influence of the left is vastly overrated in the US – a remnant of the cold war the US pines for. And while I would argue that political correctness has run amuck my guess is that black folks would rather not be called ‘niggers’ simply because they are black. But that’s not political correctness, merely being polite – if not wise.
        We’re all tribal and are discomforted by ‘the other’. The whole LGBT, gender-bending thing makes me uncomfortable, but so what? If exposure to what makes me uncomfortable once in a while is the worst thing that happens in my life I would consider myself lucky. Yes I think they make too big deal about it in the media, and knew it went on long before it all made it to the media, and didn’t mind as long as it wasn’t shoved in my happily complacent little face. I think it has always gone on and will always go on but I think too that the media obsession, therefore the societal obsession with it, might be a passing fad. Except for the political opportunists. They will always pull out this herring to rile the faithful. No I don’t want my taxes going for sex-change operations or ‘gay aversion therapy’ but neither do I want them going to fund permanent war for permanent peace. You can decide for yourself.
        You seem to restrict political correctness to the left as if a progressive conspiracy. You will find that much of that political correctness comes from the most conservative institutions in the US – corporations, churches, and courts – particularly the Supreme Court – very conservative 6 practicing Catholics out of (currently) 8 justices. I will give them the benefit of the doubt and argue that the court does it to maintain what in their minds is a civil and just society. The corporations do it mainly to keep customers (and therefore profits) They push PC by trying to capture the dollars of young people (who buy the most stuff) with ‘hip’ images and lifestyles – using minorities, freak celebrities, or societal outlaws in ads to sell their product. But you don’t see that discussed much in the MSM because it concerns those who finance of the MSM.
        Interesting that you should think there is a progressive tide. In the US it’s seen, and even bragged about by the political establishment, particularly the conservative establishment, that since Reagan, and particularly over the last 15 years has been a ‘conservative tide’ not a ‘leftist progressive tide’. What is it you see that the US conservatives don’t? And anyway, could you please define how you define leftism or progressivism for me? The terms are more often than not ‘throwaways’, cheap and thoughtless insults like ‘fascist’ that has become without any real meaning.
        As for being prepared to fight – well I’d rather have a president who could reason. Fighting is easy, thinking is hard – which is why people seem to do so little of it.
        
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      - Tirebiter
        
        Scott. Nice reply thanks.
        
        You believe Mister Trump can be relied upon. I don’t know what you base this on, but I don’t know what you know. Except for a controversial business history he has no track record, only campaign rhetoric. I’ve probably followed him far longer than you and I still don’t know what to think. I do think this though: Trump will ultimately do what’s best for him – whatever happens to everything else. I hope he improves the US – it needs it. But I don’t see it happening. The rot is just too extensive for one man or even one generation to fix. Americans abandoned politics because it was hard and time-consuming and wasn’t as bright and shiny as their easily bored primate mind wanted. And the jackals moved in and took over. Trump did not bring the jackals, but they made him or someone like him inevitable.
        The influence of the left is vastly overrated in the US – a remnant of the cold war the US pines for.
        We’re all tribal and are discomforted by ‘the other’. The whole LGBT, gender-bending thing makes me uncomfortable, but so what? If my exposure to what makes me uncomfortable is the worst thing that happens in my life I would consider myself lucky. No I don’t want my taxes going for sex-change operations or ‘gay aversion therapy’ but neither do I want them going to fund permanent war for permanent peace. You can decide for yourself.
        You seem to want to restrict political correctness to the left as if a progressive conspiracy. You will find that much of that political correctness comes from the most conservative institutions in the US – corporations, churches, and courts – particularly the Supreme Court – very conservative 6 practicing Catholics out of (currently) 8 justices. I would argue that the court does it to maintain what in their minds is a somewhat civil and just society. The corporations do it merely to keep customers (and therefore profits) They push PC by trying to capture the dollars of young people (who buy the most stuff) with ‘hip’ images and lifestyles – using minorities, freak celebrities, or societal outlaws in ads to sell their product. But you don’t see that discussed in the MSM because it concerns those who finance much of the MSM.
        Interesting that you should think there is a progressive tide. In the US it’s seen, and even bragged about by the political establishment, particularly the conservative establishment, that since Reagan, and particularly over the last 15 years there has been a ‘conservative tide’ not a ‘leftist progressive tide’. What is it you see that the US conservatives don’t? And anyway, could you please define how you define leftism or progressivism for me? The terms are more often than not ‘throwaways’, cheap and thoughtless insults like ‘fascist’ that has become without any real meaning.
        As for being prepared to fight – well I’d rather have a president who could reason. Fighting is easy, thinking is hard – which is why people seem to do so little of it.
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:51pm
- Fletch
  
  Yeh, Kinsey who had babies and young boys and girls”sexually aroused” to measure their orgasmic response. He employed pedophiles to do it, according to a 1998 Yorkshire documentary, Secret History: Kinsey’s Pedophiles
  
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  March 17, 2017 11:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Can’t get consent from babies, can you?
    
    What a bunch of sickos!
    
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    March 17, 2017 12:15pm
Happychappy

So it seems like the left are intent on going after John Key again with Felix Marwick Chief Reporter at ZB saying we always thought Key had something to hide now we know and its about bloggers and even DPF has been mentioned in the Column.So what and who are tied up in this story and apart from Key who else is going to be burn’t.
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March 17, 2017 8:41am
- marcw
  
  This is the column referenced
  
  http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/opinion/felix-marwick-no-sunlight-no-disinfectant-political-machinations-remain-behind-the-veil/
  
  The final sentence conclusion “The other thing you can deduce from a three year battle over access to correspondence is that the most senior politician in the land probably had something to hide. ”
  
  … Or … not.
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:42am
  - waikatosinger
    
    Looks more like a reporter interviewing his keyboard on a slow news day.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:28am
SPC

Trump continues birther spying on me line, but Nunes says it cannot be taken seriously.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/90532356/Opinion-Congress-showing-signs-of-being-tired-of-Trumps-nonsense
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March 17, 2017 8:47am
- SPC
  
  Senate finds no evidence to support Trump’s claim
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39297439
  
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  March 17, 2017 11:47am
PhilBest

Just days after I commented positively here about Trevor Loudon, John Drinnan in the NZ Herald has done a surprisingly sympathetic short bio.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11819685
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March 17, 2017 9:01am
- stephieboy
  
  PhilBest , yes there is a great demand for Loudon and his style of paranoid and conspiracy politics with US Conservative wing nuts .
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:08am
Notsofast

I have been meaning to reply to Michael

Michael

Not so, Notso.
Mark Lundy murdered his wife and child.
And Greg King did not prove that the wrong guy was arrested.
Thumb up 21 Thumb down 0REPLY REPORTMARCH 15, 2017 9:12AM

I can’t say it better than Christopher Brookmyre in this passage from Attack Of The Unsinkable Rubber Ducks

‘I’ve been working to debunk and demystify the big fib for decades, only to find that no matter how much evidence I present that it’s a fraud, people go ahead and believe in it regardless. The psychology of willing self-deception fascinates me, but the detachment of the academic perspective can only hold off the implications for so long. Eventually, what was fascinating becomes depressing. This desire to believe in things for which there is no evidence, or for which there is only evidence to the contrary, is nothing more than an act of intellectual self-indulgence.’
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March 17, 2017 9:20am
Karl_nz

Andrew Little’s latest Radio Red interview cock up saying that Maori MPs have asked for low list positions is stupid on so many levels.
I look forward to our host skewering him.
Why would anyone not see a high position as a party endorsement?
Why is it only maori MPs who worry that the electorate will be concerned they are too comfortable?
Why are maori electorate voters so fundamentally different to other voters?
I guess Angry Little will cover these issues in the next instalment.
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March 17, 2017 9:27am
- Happychappy
  
  But he is the most popular person in Politics if you believe him and msm will pump him for all hes worth until they know they can’t win. So really they are as thick as planks also.
  
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  March 17, 2017 11:06am
  - Paulus
    
    The media er backing Jacey in front of Angry – she shows well in photoshoots.
    See Dom today – hope she is not being photoshopped yet.
    
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    March 17, 2017 3:58pm
Jinky

Love Brookmyre. Even if he is a St Mirren fan
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March 17, 2017 9:29am
Manolo

Highly civilised Pakistan:
https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/192696-Pakistan-to-seek-Facebook-Twitter-help-to-remove-blasphemous-content

Pakistan will ask social media websites Facebook and Twitter to share information about the elements behind blasphemous content, said Interior Minister Chaudhry Nisar Ali Khan on Thursday.

Speaking to the media, he said no Muslim can tolerate blasphemy against Prophet Muhammad (Peace be Upon Him), adding that offenders could not be caught without the assistance of social media networks.
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March 17, 2017 9:32am
- SPC
  
  Islamic-fascism.
  
  If no Pakistani Moslem can tolerate free speech, should there not be ban on visas to Pakistanis to nations that allow this blasphemy?
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:03am
Manolo

The terrible consequences of Merkel’s immigration policy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4319458/Teenage-migrant-raped-strangled-90-year-old-woman.html

A 90-year-old woman was dragged into a courtyard and violently raped by a teenager after he asked for money in a church, a court has heard.
The attacker then stole the key to her home and wrote down her address.

A Spanish-Moroccan migrant, aged 19, is accused of rape, bodily harm and theft following the attack on October 2 in Dusseldorf.
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March 17, 2017 9:35am
- SPC
  
  Er no, this is down to freedom of movement in the EU and high unemployment in Spain.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:00am
  - SPC
    
    Can no one read he is a Spanish Moroccan, he is not in Germany because of any policy of Merkel.
    
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    March 17, 2017 11:11am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Doesn’t seem to matter to this lot.
      
      All those years of schooling, learning to read, and simple comprehension is beyond them.
      
      It all reduces down to MERKEL = MIGRANTS = CRIME.
      
      Obviously propaganda works.
      
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      March 17, 2017 2:42pm
krazykiwi

Bit late to the party this morning. Saw 110 comments by 9:50?!?!

Went back to see what all the noise was about.

Everyone has been talking shit.
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March 17, 2017 9:55am
- wiseowl
  
  kk
  Yes they have.
  I woke up feeling like a river. Lovely sunny day so I don’t intend flooding any humans today.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:35am
- VicParking
  
  Best comment all morning
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:38am
Manolo

On the footsteps of the paedophile prophet Mohammad:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/father-three-year-old-daughter-married-off-pakistan-neelum-valley-azad-jammu-kasmir-dispute-affair-a7631801.html

A three-year-old girl has been forced into marriage in order to settle a dispute between her father and another man, it has been reported.

The child has been married to a nine-year-old boy in Pakistan’s Neelum Valley, in the province of Azad Jammu and Kashmir, after her father failed to pay a penalty for allegedly having an affair Dawn.com reports.
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March 17, 2017 10:01am
- ztev
  
  I did the same post yesterday:
  
  ““ in 1396, Richard II of England was joined in marriage to young Isabel of France, who had been 7 years old when their engagement was announced the previous year in Paris.”
  So its OK when Christians do it ? Richard was 30 years old
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:09am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, ztev. That was 1396, this is 2017.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:13am
    - ztev
      
      When did Mohammed have his child bride ?
      
      ‘footsteps of the paedophile prophet Mohammad’
      
      You must be one of those lovers of European history- who are dipstick ignorant about any of it.
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:27am
      - Manolo
        
        I knew you were a Labour die-hard supporter, but had no idea you were a Muslim apologist.
        
        Shame, double shame, on you.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:32am
      - krazykiwi
        
        When did Mohammed have his child bride?
        
        Her name was Aisha.
        
        [Mohammed] forced his friend Abu Bakr to give him his daughter. He said he had a dream about her and since Allah made him dream about this six year old girl, then it was “gods will” that they be married. Not wanting to offend Allah, Abu Bakr gave his six year old daughter over to Muhammad.
        
        He married Aisha at age 6, and apparently consummated the marriage when the girl was 9. She was married to Mohammed for 9 years, until his death.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:52am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ztev, our erudite amateur cosmologists is simply ignorant about a lot in human affairs including European history .
        
        I would call it wilfully ignorant .
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:50pm
  - thedavincimode
    
    Looks like nothing has changed in 621 years.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:15am
    - PhilBest
      
      In some exotic cultures, nothing has changed.
      
      Ironically, if any political ideology is capable of reinstituting this kind of thing in Christendom, it is the progressive Left. The great lifting in moral standards that accompanied the Reformation, is now generally regarded as puritannical excess. Dealing with the age-of-consent “puritanism” is just a few bridges further down the road at the current time.
      
      The contemporary “centre right” have become masters at rationalizing to themselves, just how reasonable and “scientific” the progressives arguments are, each time they make a new assault. What makes anyone confident that there is a bridge they will stand and fight over?
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:26am
      - stephieboy
        
        Phi Best , I’d much rather have medical and other scientific advances than your turn the clock back to your Christian theocratic prescription.
        
        The age of consent has varied widely over time and upping the age to 16 etc has only been relatively recent occurrence
        
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        March 17, 2017 1:01pm
  - PhilBest
    
    Was it right for Christianity to have a Reformation and change its values on things like this? A few centuries ago, BTW.
    
    How can you stick up for unreformed cultures and still demand unrelenting progressivism in your own one?
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:18am
    - SGA
      
      A few centuries ago? I’ll think you’ll find that the age of consent has risen since the 1800s. Twelve was common in many US states and as low as 7 (I think) in Delaware until near the turn of last century.
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:36am
      - MCos
        
        Didn’t Jerry Lee Lewis marry his 13yo cousin?
        He’s been married a half a dozen times since and still has the same in laws!
        
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        March 17, 2017 3:21pm
    - SGA
      
      And, from memory, in South East Asia, the lowest age of consent isn’t among countries with a large Islamic influence, it is, I think, the Catholic Philippines.
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:39am
      - GazzaW
        
        The legal age of marriage in the Phillipines is 21 but allowable at 18 with parental consent.
        
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        March 17, 2017 7:05pm
      - SGA
        
        I wasn’t talking about marriage, GazzaW. Sorry for any confusion.
        
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        March 17, 2017 7:10pm
  - chuk
    
    I’d rather live in the 21st century than the 14th. Perhaps you should try and go back to those times, or just convert to islam.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:21am
  - Ashley Schaeffer
    
    Exactly who is holding up Richard II of England as some sort of paragon of virtue to be emulated?
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:26am
    - ztev
      
      No one. But its terrible when the Muslims did it but not when it was common in Christianity. he was referring to Mohammed’s wedding.
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:31am
      - Ashley Schaeffer
        
        No, it’s terrible that muslims are still doing it. And it’s terrible that people think “The Prophet” is perfect and should be emulated and will kill you if you disagree.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:36am
      - KevOB
        
        The arrangements bethrothing children were generally matters of high state cementing alliances and land rights. The young people pledged often did not even meet the other party until mature.
        
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        March 17, 2017 2:06pm
  - VicParking
    
    The marriage was political and never physical. it only lasted three years. Their relationship was more brother sister than anything else.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:49am
    - ztev
      
      ALL royal marriages were political at that time.
      
      Like brother and sister- pleeeeese, just because you believe the Victorianised version doesnt mean its true.
      In Shakespeare, he just made her an adult as they to cover it up.
      
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      March 17, 2017 12:01pm
      - VicParking
        
        There are a multitude of accounts written at the time that back up what I said. For a start he was away at war for two of the three years and in prision for six months before he died. Get your history correct before you charge your pen. Shakesphere was not a historian he was a playwright who “titalated” his audences. After Richard She married Charles, Duke of Orléans as a virgin bride and died in childbirth aged 19
        
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        March 17, 2017 1:30pm
  - Longknives
    
    Wasn’t that an episode of Blackadder?
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:50am
    - Manolo
      
      Let’s wait for stephieboy to tell us the truth about his prophet.
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:54am
  - cmm
    
    The difference:
    
    No reasonable Englishman in 2017 would hold Richard II up as a person to emulate.
    
    Muslims uphold Mohammed as a near perfect person to emulate.
    
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    March 17, 2017 11:02am
- SGA
  
  As bizarre as an arranged marriage between a nine year 0ld and a three year old is, I’m not sure that it’s really about paedophilia.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:31am
  - ztev
    
    Who was 9 years old?
    Richard was 30 when she was 9 .
    he married his first wife when he was 15 or so.
    
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    March 17, 2017 12:04pm
    - SGA
      
      What are you going on about? The two children in the story that started this discussion – one was 9 and the other 3.
      
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      March 17, 2017 12:43pm
waikatosinger

Glad to see the Whanganui river is now legally a person. The next time it floods we can charge it with trespassing. I’m sure that will make a big difference.
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March 17, 2017 10:23am
- virtualmark
  
  I’m just waiting on its first post here at Kiwiblog …
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:33am
  - Whanganui River
    
    I Sexually Identify as a Stream.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:52am
- ztev
  
  Thats because you know nothing about Companies and Trust law which gives them the same ( legal) rights as a person.
  Whanganui River Trust doesnt sound as sexy but thats what Te Awa Tupua is
  
  “Te Awa Tupua is a legal person and has all the rights, powers, duties, and liabilities of a legal person.
  (2) The rights, powers, and duties of Te Awa Tupua must be exercised or performed, and responsibility for its liabilities must be taken, by Te Pou Tupua on behalf of, and in the name of, Te Awa Tupua, in the manner provided for in this Part and in Ruruku Whakatupua—Te Mana o Te Awa Tupua.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:36am
  - Jack5
    
    Ztev:
    
    This from the bill:
    
    First:
    
    Te Awa Tupua is an indivisible and living whole, comprising the Whanganui River from the mountains to the sea, incorporating all its physical and metaphysical elements.
    
    [The bold emphasis on “metaphysical” is mine. What bullshit.]
    
    AND
    
    2.
    
    Te Awa Tupua is a legal person and has all the rights, powers, duties, and liabilities of a legal person.
    
    [The bold emphasis again is mine.]
    
    The legislation is a political con.
    
    A company is an entity comprising human beings. A river is inanimate, except perhaps for its taniwha.
    
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    March 17, 2017 12:43pm
  - KevOB
    
    Who or what is Te Pou Tupua? Is it corporeal?
    
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    March 17, 2017 2:26pm
  - GoVege
    
    The important thing is…this new status will require much expenditure on tangata whenua to interpret this river person’s needs.
    
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    March 17, 2017 3:40pm
- VicParking
  
  Can hardly wait to go down and piss in it.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:51am
- rangitoto
  
  You can sue it if it causes any damage to property.
  
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  March 17, 2017 1:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    When Wanganui flood again it will be ok to sue the River for material damage.
    Insurance Companies will are not taking on Wanganui River locations for damage any more.
    It is the River’s responsibility to pay for damage now out from the tens of millions that go with this agreement.
    
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    March 17, 2017 4:05pm
Michael

kowtow
Westward?
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March 17, 2017 10:27am
Michael

Notso
What evidence is there that anyone other than Mark Lundy murdered his wife and daughter?
And you made the comment that Greg King proved the wrong guy was arrested. All I am saying is that King did not prove that.
As for David Bain, well I sort of consider myself a bit of an expert on that one having written a book about the Bain killings, The Bain Killings Whodunnit? which is available at your nearest library if you are interested .
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March 17, 2017 10:38am
Michael

I am a little puzzled as to why William of Ockham [ aka Dennis Horne] got so many down ticks for that first post this morning. So far as The Donald is concerned I am what you might called ambivalent, but I don’t believe for one moment that Obama or any of his aides was bugging him.
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March 17, 2017 10:44am
- VicParking
  
  Do you imagine Obama sitting in the oval office with headphones on. Get real. Its lets spy on a russian bank and if Trumps calls a routed through the same server well arn’t we lucky.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:55am
- Inandout
  
  Obama would leave no fingerprints, he is smarter than that. Over a period of 8 years as President he will have forged some very close friends in the Washington intelligence area, people who would do almost anything for The Boss. I wish more people would view ‘House of Cards’ just to get a sense of how the White House works. Yes the characters are fiction, but the inside knowledge is immense.
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:22pm
  - KevOB
    
    Having worked at upper levels with access to secure information it was known to swap this surreptitiously with similar senior outsiders for each organisations private benefit. The cloaked utility overrode the practical reach of the law.
    The rumor that then candidate Trump was monitored via the UK agency with inner access to Langley may well be true. The CIA toolbox for hacking and false attribution could hide a can of worms. What is truth if a lack of cover of falsehood?
    
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    March 17, 2017 2:38pm
  - MCos
    
    I saw Weekend at Bernie’s the other day.
    Made me realize some of the politicians probably died years ago.
    
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    March 17, 2017 3:36pm
Stars And Stripes

Barbecue in Christchurch’s Avonhead Park scrapped after claims it could distract pre-schoolers and grievers
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/90510513/Barbecue-in-Christchurchs-Avonhead-Park-scrapped-after-claims-it-could-distract-pre-schoolers-and-grievers.

“In its submission, the Avonhead Community Group stated the barbecue facility would cause littering, attract vandalism and increase the risk of fires.
A “large or noisy group” could distract staff and pre-schoolers at the nearby kindergarten, it said.
According to the submission, it would be “highly insensitive” if noise, or the smell of food, disrupted burials or disturbed people visiting the nearby cemetery”.

How do people like this even get up in the morning but more so shame on the wowsers on the community board who pandered to this nonsense.
I am sure if the same proposal had have been put up by the local Muslim association but as a ” public halal cooking area” then it would have been approved with no dissenting voices.
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March 17, 2017 10:53am
- RF
  
  We are bunch of peasants here in NZ.
  
  I have been to many parks in Queensland where there are gas BBQs set up for general use. Never seen any graffiti or empty bottles as local council staff tend to look after them each morning.
  
  Sure there will be no go areas in Aussie that BBQs would be trashed if they were set up there. In NZ you can have the most pristine park anywhere and some low life would trash it. It’s our culture..
  
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  March 17, 2017 12:50pm
Longknives

A BBQ could also offend Lefty Vegan types (who as we know- are very easily offended!)

I submit that they just close the damn park- That way nobody is going to be ‘Distracted’ or ‘Offended’…
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March 17, 2017 11:00am
Fletch

Karl Du Fresne in the Dominion Post (and on Stuff) on the new look at New Zealand’s abortion laws.

We can expect to hear more from these groups after the Abortion Supervisory Committee, in its latest report, recommended a review of the 40-year-old legislation that sets out the circumstances in which abortions may legally be carried out. Like it or not, we’re back in the old minefield.

Abortion rights activists took the report as the cue to mount a fresh campaign for liberalisation of the law, as the committee surely must have known they would.

The activists were quick to pick up the committee’s statement that some of the language in the Contraception, Sterilisation and Abortion (CSA) Act is sexist and outdated, as if that somehow renders the entire legislation invalid.

Outdated language can be easily fixed, but highlighting the issue is a clever propaganda tactic because it portrays the act as a quaint hangover from an era when men supposedly told women what to do.

In truth, the renewed debate is about much more than semantics. Complaints about sexist language are a smokescreen, because merely making the act gender-neutral wouldn’t achieve the activists’ objective.

When they talk about “reviewing” the legislation, what they really mean is rewriting it to make abortion available on request – their goal since the 1970s.

The committee has obligingly opened the door a crack and the abortion rights lobby has jammed its foot into the gap, as the committee possibly intended.

The abortion rights lobby wants abortion decriminalised – that is to say, no longer treated as an offence under the Crimes Act, which they regard as an anachronism.

To all intents and purposes the provision relating to abortion in the Crimes Act is negated anyway by the CSA Act, which enables the Crimes Act to be legally sidestepped.

Nonetheless, the fact that abortion remains in the Crimes Act serves a symbolic purpose. It’s a reminder that abortion involves extinguishing a life, no matter how hard the pro-choice lobby tries to disguise that fact.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/90496428/karl-du-fresne-the-minefield-that-is-abortion-law
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March 17, 2017 11:14am
krazykiwi

I see that the UK Government’s own figures show that the cost of ‘climate change’ policies now makes up 33% of consumer energy bills.

The World Health Organisation estimates that at least one third of winter deaths are caused by cold homes and fuel poverty.

So there’s a direct correlation between implementing ‘climate change’ policy and unnecessary deaths.

Utter madness.
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March 17, 2017 11:44am
- wiseowl
  
  Yes kk and these policies have been followed here in NZ by forcing people to buy woodburners with unnecessary regulations .
  Agenda 2030 sucks.
  
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  March 17, 2017 12:30pm
gump

Another Republican lawmaker has been caught with his dick in a young male prostitute.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN16N287

God bless those hard-working “champions of family values”.
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March 17, 2017 11:46am
- Longknives
  
  Sir Norman Fry!
  
  http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2u8q4f
  
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  March 17, 2017 11:52am
- Jack5
  
  The 35-year-old Oklahoma state senator, who campaigned on family values and was named Ralph Shortey, was also smoking marijuana with the young man.
  
  Could the unreported rumours be true that state troopers were incensed by Shortey singing loudly: “I’m proud to poke an Okie from Muskogie.”
  
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  March 17, 2017 12:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Bloody idiot. Had the young man been a part male the media would have walked around the story.
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:46pm
Jack5

The firm of Phil Shiner, the law professor and lawyer who led the witch-hunt against British Iraq war veterans has gone bankrupt.

Shiner’s firm made more than 3 million NZ dollars from its evil crusade.

Shiner has also been struck off by Britain’s Solicitors Disciplinary Tribunal for professional misconduct.

The disciplinary tribunal heard that his cases, which led to the $75 million Al-Sweady public inquiry, were found to be baseless and had a devastating effect on the soldiers who were falsely accused.

Shiner was found to have been repeatedly dishonest in falsely accusing soldiers of war crimes.

What an evil bastard. Full justice would require him to face a firing squad made up of British veterans.

Shiner’s now defunct law firm, Public Interest Lawyers, brought most of the 3,380 allegations of wrongdoing referred to the Iraq Historical Allegations Team. This organisation was set up by the British Government to investigate allegations of abuse of Iraqi civilians by British troops. The team is said to have cost the British Ministry of Defence about 70 million NZ dollars between 2010, when it was set up, and September last year. No criminal prosecutions were brought in that time.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4321976/Witch-hunt-lawyer-Phil-Shiner-goes-bankrupt.html#ixzz4bX2VeFGz
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March 17, 2017 11:56am
virtualmark

Should we be starting a book on when we think Sean Spicer will quit?

If all your job consists of is eating shit for your boss then eventually you’re going say you’ve had enough.
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March 17, 2017 12:01pm
- Jack5
  
  Should we be starting a betting book on when NZ’s shrinking pool of TV viewers will realise TVNZ’s nightly obsession with Trump is a cheapskate, dead easy way of filling up the programme and venting staff’s Leftist views simultaneously?
  
  These Leftist views, centring on a foreign leader, are also unlikely to be challenged in NZ.
  
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  March 17, 2017 12:07pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Well Jack5, clearly you’ve been watching TVNZ, so it must be working for them huh?
    
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    March 17, 2017 12:12pm
    - Jack5
      
      It’s a temporary phenomenon.
      
      TVNZ is pretty much the only local news to watch these days, and in these twilight days of broadcast TV, if one person in a room wants TV usually everyone endures it.
      
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      March 17, 2017 12:33pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh, that’s so noble of you, watching TVNZ news because your wife wants to and you can’t think of anything else to do.
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:40pm
      - Jack5
        
        Get lonely in your cell watching TVNZ alone, does it Milky?
        
        Think of nothing else to do? Are you advocating I murder She Who Must be Obeyed? Is the cell next door vacant. Thought there was a rush for cell space.
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:50pm
      - thedavincimode
        
        Besides, you need to keep watching it to ensure that you continue to be offended. Like those who are perpetually offended by boy and girl bimbos on morning TV.
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:51pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Are you suggesting that I’m a monk or a prisoner?
        
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        March 17, 2017 12:52pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, logically you should ask ” a monk and or a prisoner”.
        
        Offended by TVNZ, suggests “thedavincimode”.
        
        Bored, even offput, but occasionally given a laugh, though not offended. That would be a bit like a parent being offended by a primary school play production.
        
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        March 17, 2017 1:02pm
  - KevOB
    
    I’m getting bit more than cheesed off. Read Churchill’s Second World War and appreciate how America took on defence of NZ when we were isolated after the Japanese entry into the war.
    We don’t have to like American politics or persons but respect is due to any sovereign head of state.
    Continuing attacks by TVNZ must cease.
    We may have to review immigration requests from wealthy USA political refugees to avoid the apologetic leftist taint. (faint/(feint?)
    
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    March 17, 2017 2:50pm
  - Paulus
    
    TVNZ news works very well on the weekend with only one presenter – why go back to double the cost for no real reason other than to prop one another up if they make a mistake. And laugh at each other and the following clowns on a weekday.
    Go permanently to one.
    
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    March 17, 2017 4:09pm
    - nasska
      
      None would work equally as well. They should just turn the camera onto the auto cue.
      
      Then we can read the lefty biased crap ourselves & cut out the middle man.
      
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      March 17, 2017 5:16pm
Tirebiter

ztev
Elections to the senate are every two years as you describe but the term for a senator and how often he has to run is 6 years – which is what I meant. Sorry for the confusion. Put it down to a difference in connotation; me being a Yank and not speaking kiwi.

But you sound like you’ve got some issues bud. Want to talk about it?
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March 17, 2017 12:32pm
Chuck Bird

This is another reason why Labour should not be in power. I do not know if Stuart Nash had too many wines or though he could get some votes. Let it be clear I would not shed any tears for the low life what ever happened to him. However, I would not advocate violence to anyone and I am not an MP. He should know better.

Labour MP admits call to scalp convicted killer and paedophile went too far

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11820250
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March 17, 2017 12:38pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Stuart Nash has breached section 22 Of the Harmful Digital Communications Act which states: A person commits an offense if
  
  (a) the person posts a digital communication with the intention that it cause harm to a victim;
  
  (b) posting the communication would cause harm to an ordinary reasonable person in the position of the victim; and
  
  (c) posting the communication causes harm to the victim.
  
  The NZ Herald also appears to have committed the same offence by re posting what Staurt Nash wrote on his Facebook page.
  
  Anyone what to lay a complaint against Stuart Nash.
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:59pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I thought it was also a breach of the Crimes Act
    http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1961/0043/latest/DLM328506.html?search=sw_096be8ed814f3533_incite_25_se&p=1&sr=1
    (but what would I know?)
    
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    March 17, 2017 4:33pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  This is just another throw away comment made on Facebook in the heat of the moment like the Wellington College witch hunt.
  Lets not make a mountain out of a mole hill again regardless of who said it.
  
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  March 17, 2017 4:42pm
Michael

kowtow

Gung?
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March 17, 2017 12:49pm
Fletch

No surprises then. The Hawaiian judge who halted Trump’s new immigration ban is a Harvard classmate and appointee of Obama.

U.S. District Judge Derrick Kahala Watson, who just halted President Donald Trump’s revised travel ban, is an Obama law school classmate and Obama appointee to the federal bench.

What’s more, the former president was in Hawaii during his Harvard Law School classmate’s ruling on Wednesday.
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March 17, 2017 12:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , source ?
  
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  March 17, 2017 1:05pm
  - Fletch
    
    The guys on Twitter posted about it.
    
    https://twitter.com/TEN_GOP/status/842230555869622272?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Enews%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
    
    But it is mentioned in the Guardian and other places.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/16/derrick-watson-hawaii-judge-trump-travel-ban
    
    He graduated Harvard with Obama in 1991, and Obama was in Hawaii when his pal halted the ban.
    
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamas-spotted-in-hawaii-236029
    
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    March 17, 2017 1:23pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    “Fletch , source ?”
    
    Idiotboy, why do you have this ingrained belief that everyone on this blog (except you) makes things up?
    
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    March 17, 2017 1:35pm
- mikenmild
  
  But did you see this comment from Judge Bybee on the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals (one of the authors of the infamous torture memos and a G W Bush appointee to the bench):
  
  The personal attacks on the distinguished district judge and our colleagues were out of all bounds of civic and persuasive discourse—particularly when they came from the parties. It does no credit to the arguments of the parties to impugn the motives or the competence of the members of this court; ad hominem attacks are not a substitute for effective advocacy. Such personal attacks treat the court as though it were merely a political forum in which bargaining, compromise, and even intimidation are acceptable principles. The courts of law must be more than that, or we are not governed by law at all.
  
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  March 17, 2017 1:05pm
Jack5

Kiwiblog’s Lefties and its infamous Islamic troll team have been emboldened by Geert Wilders, who while increasing his vote in the Netherlands, failed to get pole position for coalition forming.

Sorry Lefties, globalists, Islamicists, the Dutch election is too early to establish that Europe’s surrender monkeys will prevail, and that there won’t be a much belated stand against the Islamic invasion.
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March 17, 2017 1:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , did you know the” leftie ” Greenies quadrupled their 2012 vote ?
  
  There would therefore be little hope of stemming the Muslim hordes you so manically obsess about.
  
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  March 17, 2017 1:13pm
- SPC
  
  The Freedom Party’s vote share was larger than in 2015, but smaller than in 2014, 2010 and 2009.
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:45pm
Manolo

CNBC on Le Pen and Wilders:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/16/frances-le-pen-still-has-a-40-chance-of-victory-ubs.html

“The unconvincing populist performance in the Netherlands may weigh on French voters’ sense of urgency when heading for the ballots for their elections,” a team of analysts at UBS said in a note.

“Hence, we caution against extrapolating the Dutch results, and continue to see a 40% chance of a Le Pen victory in France,” UBS analysts added.
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March 17, 2017 1:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, must help somewhat to assuage your pain and whimpering after your Geert’s lame results ?
  
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  March 17, 2017 3:01pm
Paulus Gnome

Goofys favourite album being played on rabid red this hour is headed by Money (Pink Floyd)

How appropriate, especially if it is someone elses’ stack!
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March 17, 2017 1:10pm
Michael

kowtow

Hoho?
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March 17, 2017 1:13pm
- kowtow
  
  He he.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DqvweTYTI0
  
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  March 17, 2017 1:53pm
Stars And Stripes

SAFE ‘appalled’ at airport dog shooting
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/safe-appalled-at-airport-dog-shooting/ar-BBydmGm?li=BBv6TfA&ocid=spartandhp.
“Animal activists are appalled and bewildered after an aviation security dog that got loose at Auckland Airport was shot dead.
But authorities say they had no choice.
About 16 domestic and international flights were delayed after the dog, reportedly named Griz, broke free into the airfield at about 4am on Friday.
After three hours to trying to catch the canine, airport staff directed police officers to shoot it”.

FFS Griz was a liability and quite frankly the only disgrace here is they waited 3 hours and delayed 16 flights before shooting the mongrel.
I hate to think how much money this cost the airlines not to mention the inconvenience to thousands of passengers.
Call the local chinaman to collect the carcass and move on.
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March 17, 2017 1:42pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Would have to be best part of a million dollars cost wouldn’t it? Including costs pushed onto delayed passengers. What a colossally stupid/expensive delay, for something that rational leadership could have resolved in 5-10 minutes with a bird control shotgun.
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:20pm
MrTips

After his post on abortion a few days ago, was waiting for DPF to comment on his other piece of polling that shows nearly 50% of folk think having an abortion could harm your mental health:
https://www.familyfirst.org.nz/2017/03/women-having-abortions-risk-mental-health-poll/

Clearly, people can think if they could be in favour of supporting abortion, but we don’t want to know what they REALLY think do we?
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March 17, 2017 1:46pm
- Fletch
  
  I noticed that too. I couldn’t remember whether he had posted about it or not, seeing as it was a Curia poll.
  
  The independent poll commissioned by Family First NZ and carried out by Curia Market Research asked respondents whether they agreed with the following statement: “Women who have abortions risk harming their mental health as a result of the abortion.” Overall, almost half (46%) agreed with the statement, 22% were unsure or didn’t say, and only 33% disagreed. There was little difference between male and female respondents. Significantly, strongest agreement with the statement came from the younger 18-40 age bracket (50%).
  
  In any case, I see that Amy Adams has said that there will be no change to the abortion law in NZ.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11820122&ref=NZH_fb
  
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  March 17, 2017 1:54pm
  - SPC
    
    Er no, she said there was no government intent to legislate any change.
    
    This does not speak to the issue of leaving such matters to be decided by private members bills – the long-time method by which party’s avoid the electoral consequences of being directly involved.
    
    She did say government was too busy doing other things …but there is always time set aside for private members bills – if drawn.
    
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    March 17, 2017 2:48pm
rangitoto

Mr Bercow said: “I have to notify the house that Her Majesty has signified her Royal ascent to the following act: The European Union Notification of Withdrawal Act 2017.”

It’s on.
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March 17, 2017 2:25pm
- mikenmild
  
  What did she climb?
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:33pm
  - rangitoto
    
    What do you expect from a British newspaper.
    
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    March 17, 2017 2:53pm
- SPC
  
  At one stage it looked life descent in the House of Lords would block this.
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:56pm
  - rangitoto
    
    “At one stage it looked life descent”
    
    Are you also quoting a pommy newspaper?
    
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    March 17, 2017 3:02pm
    - SPC
      
      It was the Guardian Mirror Civilian I think, confusion resulting from thoughtful liberal condemnation of the House of Lords for continuing to exist in a modern EU nation and trying to relate to the common bloke barely able to speak proper.
      
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      March 17, 2017 3:17pm
  - Paulus
    
    Years ago Blair decided to get rid of hereditary Peers and appointed many life Peers so that Labour would be able to slow down any non Socialist legislation.
    At their own peril did they try and hold up Brexit legislation.
    
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    March 17, 2017 4:14pm
    - SPC
      
      Realist.
      
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      March 17, 2017 4:59pm
- SPC
  
  Will the pound sterling rise to the occasion at the birth of this news of withdrawal in the MSM.
  
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  March 17, 2017 3:19pm
Jack5

Transport Minister Simon Bridges and National have caved in to Uber, the car-sharing company that competes with taxis.

Everywhere, Uber campaigns to break down regulations on taxis so that it can take market share. Most of its markets, and especially New York, have put up a tough battle.

Sounds like Bridges has given Uber everything it wants. Of concern to the public should be wiping out of English language requirements for drivers.

Instead of Sudanese brain surgeons you will likely soon by camel drivers who don’t understand a word of the directions you give them.

Local knowledge requirements will also go, with full reliance on GPS. Also at risk are log books of hours (you can imagine some of the unskilled, non-English-understanding drivers keeping to the rules).

Here’s Bridges on whether Uber will comply with its side of the bargain (from the Hooerald ):

“If they don’t, I think they’ll really be taking the mickey of New Zealand’s law.”

Uber sells itself as a champion of free competition and innovation. Bull, what it wants is market domination, and market domination in the Western world (China has fought it off successfully with its own version).

Its international expansion is about globalisation of what has been an essentially local industry.

Of course there are some advantages to consumers from freeing up an old, regulated industry. But there will be some disadvantages, too.

Of as much concern as the Uber decision and taxi regulation, is the Government’s seemingly weak negotiating on the NZ public’s behalf.

A good recent book, mostly favourable to Uber: Brad Stone’s The Upstarts: How Uber, Airbnb and the killer companies of the New Silicon Valley are Changing the World.
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March 17, 2017 2:32pm
- cha
  
  Bull, what it wants is market domination, and market domination in the Western world (China has fought it off successfully with its own version).
  
  Call it what it is, a scam.
  
  As shown in Exhibit 2, for the year ending September 2015, Uber had GAAP losses of $2 billion on revenue of $1.4 billion, a negative 143% profit margin. Thus Uber’s current operations depend on $2 billion in subsidies, funded out of the $13 billion in cash its investors have provided.
  
  Uber passengers were paying only 41% of the actual cost of their trips; Uber was using these massive subsidies to undercut the fares and provide more capacity than the competitors who had to cover 100% of their costs out of passenger fares.
  
  http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/11/can-uber-ever-deliver-part-one-understanding-ubers-bleak-operating-economics.html
  
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  March 17, 2017 3:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    I think shared-economy type ventures such as Uber and Airbnb can add to services for consumers and make better use of many assets.
    
    I am wary of the negotiating power and tactics of Uber. It has teams of professionals specialising in dealing with country and city regulators. It uses experience gained in one country’s negotiations in the next market it targets.
    
    Uber organises Uber drivers into pressure groups for its business “agitprop”, and there are typically many more of them than there are taxi and limo drivers. It hires people from regulators to use against the regulating bodies.
    
    All legal, but it means you need a tough negotiator when Uber comes asking for the national laws and regulations to be changed.
    
    Bridges, probably backed by some fairly naive bureaucrats from the Ministry of Transport, doesn’t seem to me to have the right sort of grit to sit around a table with the Uber sharks.
    
    For instance, removing knowledge of English as a requirement to drive customers in NZ. Unbelievable!
    
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    March 17, 2017 3:42pm
reid3

On Fox News’ Fox & Friends, we have a bombshell claim into President Donald J. Trump’s reports that former president Barack Obama wiretapped and monitored the Republican’s presidential campaign.

The House Intelligence Committee has been tasked to look into the matter, but now we’re learning that Obama may have found a shocking way to cover his tracks: use a British spy!

As Judge Andrew Napolitano (below) explains, even if Obama really did spy on Trump, there may be no actual way to prove it. He explained that there are laws which give the president sweeping authority to conduct surveillance in the United States even without warrant or suspicion.

This is a big deal:

“Three intelligence sources have informed Fox News that President Obama went outside the chain of command,” Napolitano said. “He didn’t use the NSA, he didn’t use the CIA, he didn’t use the FBI, and he didn’t use the Department of Justice.”

Instead, Napolitano said, Obama used GCHQ, a British intelligence and security organization that has 24-7 access to the NSA database.

“There’s no American fingerprints on this,” Napolitano said. “What happened to the guy who ordered this? Resigned three days after Donald Trump was inaugurated.”

A shocking allegation, but Judge Napolitano swore an oath to uphold the Constitution and is an expert on privacy laws.

We have seen transcripts from Trump’s phone calls with world leaders, and there were wiretaps which forced National Security Director Michael Flynn to resign.

If there was or is no surveillance of Trump going on, just where did these leaks come from?

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/fox-and-friends-bombshell-barack-obama-spy-on-trump-used-british-agent/
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March 17, 2017 3:37pm
- SPC
  
  The claim re GCHQ reek of damage limitation after Republicans in the House and Senate said there was no evidence to back up Trump’s claims.
  
  And saying there maybe no way to prove the GCHQ involvement, etc is too convenient for Trump.
  
  But no worries people like Reid, and the neanderthallic creation science/birthers/truthers intelligentsia will buy into it.
  
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  March 17, 2017 3:52pm
  - SPC
    
    The truth is so inconvenient to the Trump twitterati.
    
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    March 17, 2017 4:05pm
    - reid3
      
      SPC my jury’s still out on Trump. At the moment based on an objective analysis of his actions I think its 50/50 he’s a plant fronting for the evil ones. Just like all POTUS’s since Reagan.
      
      Of course to be objective in this you need not to be a child like two-legs bad four-legs good thinker. As you and many here clearly are.
      
      Cheering for “your side” and booing when the other is operating the levers, is as mindlessly idiotic as your average overweight sports fan wearing a hat with those big clappy hands sitting in the stands with a huge barrel of popcorn doing the same thing.
      
      Which is how I always think of people like you when you do it, which is always.
      
      Why you can’t assimilate nuance and why you can’t separate mindless-sports-like enthusiasm from the ultra-serious pusuit of the correct answer when analysing domestic or international politics, is I suspect, because you’re an idiot.
      
      Not insofar as your IQ is like poor stephie’s, but insofar as you haven’t yet learned how to analyse political situations without leaving your emotion at the door. You can plainly see this in how emotive you and people who do the same thing as you do become, when you make comments here.
      
      I do feel sorry for you, and I hope you grow up very soon indeed.
      
      Kind regards, and have a good day.
      
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      March 17, 2017 4:38pm
      - SPC
        
        Thanks for the resort to the patronising sneering tone.
        
        It is such a powerful and authoritative a tool in managing resistance to your propoganda line it reveals you to be a Tavistock graduate, presumably one sent out into the world to influence the sheeple with your on-line persona.
        
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        March 17, 2017 4:52pm
- Fletch
  
  I really want to see Obama with his ass locked up in prison. The guy is nothing but a crook.
  
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  March 17, 2017 5:44pm
  - jonar
    
    He’s got nothing on The Don.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:31pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      #TDS
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:57pm
- SPC
  
  GCHQ make a rare public comment.
  
  Bollocks.
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39300191
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:37pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    They would say that wouldn’t they
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    March 17, 2017 9:50pm
reid3

The CIA created and accumulated from other sources a huge array of malware and cyber attack capability capable of stealing information from any individual, any government, any corporation, any intelligence agency and either leaving no trace or leaving a “fingerprint” of an innocent party. The CIA, being arrogant and incompetent, lost control over its monster which escaped and now is in the hands of we know not who. Floating around the Internet, it was sent to WikiLeaks. Listen to Julian Assange’s explanation of the capability of the CIA’s spyware, which includes end runs around encryption. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aha8bicPN88

The presstitute media’s response was not outrage over the CIA’s criminal behavior, compounded by its incompetence in failing to keep the package from escaping. Rather, the whores who comprise the US media turned on Julian Assange for making known what we need to know. Brian Ross, the chief presstitute at ABC, wanted to know if WikiLeaks took money from Russia. Presstitute Andrea Mitchell, faithful to the CIA, quickly got former CIA director Michael Hayden on TV to agree with her that “Wikileaks has struck again” and revealed information damaging to the US about the CIA’s foreign intelligence operations. You can see what a great lie Andrea and Hayden have conspired to tell by listening to Assange explain the information delivered into his hands.

The American print and TV media are servants of the police state. This makes the US media the principal threat that Americans face. The US media is the handmaiden of war, the police state, lies, and evil. The presstitutes have no shame over their lack of integrity and the risk of thermo-nuclear war to which they expose humanity.

Everybody apart from the idiot sheeple know all about Operation Mockingbird, a media infiltration by the CIA. They own every important MSM personality and they tell them what to say. And if they refuse it’s goodbye to all the perks. Or death. Like this guy.

http://russia-insider.com/en/media-criticism/german-journalist-who-blew-whistle-cia-media-control-drops-dead-56/ri18544

Everybody knows this, except the idiot sheeple, who still watch it, oblivious to the fact its all lies. Where the fuck do ya think they got their riding instructions on the WMD in Iraq from? For instance. Don’t you remember how there were no dissenting voices back then? No-one saying: hang-on, wait a minute. Where do ya think they get their instructions from on their similar lockstep on Iwan, Wussia, Sywia from?

Sheeple are not very bright, are they.

Don’t be a sheeple!
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March 17, 2017 3:46pm
- reid3
  
  https://qph.ec.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-8c30905fda12797f56e37799e3008a32-c
  
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  March 17, 2017 3:51pm
- SPC
  
  Obama and I both opposed the regime change in Baghdad. We were dissenting voices.
  
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  March 17, 2017 4:55pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    And me too actually. Stupid illconceived and done on the basis of a lie.
    Libya the same. The people there are worse off now.
    The Americans always do this. No plan for after the battle.
    Syria is shaping up to be the same.
    
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    March 17, 2017 5:03pm
    - Kimbo
      
      …and Ngo Dinh Diem in South Vietnam in 1963, and that worked out well too!
      
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      March 17, 2017 5:08pm
All_on_Red

‘In 2013, documents leaked by the former NSA contractor Edward Snowden revealed the existence of numerous surveillance programs jointly operated by the Five Eyes. The following list includes several notable examples reported in the media:

PRISM – Operated by the NSA together with the GCHQ and the ASD[54][55]
XKeyscore – Operated by the NSA with contributions from the ASD and the GCSB[56]
Tempora – Operated by the GCHQ with contributions from the NSA[57][58]
MUSCULAR – Operated by the GCHQ and the NSA[59]
STATEROOM – Operated by the ASD, CIA, CSE, GCHQ, and NSA[60]’
‘In recent years, documents of the FVEY have shown that they are intentionally spying on one another’s citizens and sharing the collected information with each other in order to circumvent restrictive domestic regulations on spying. [7][8][9][10][62] Shami Chakrabarti, the director of the advocacy group Liberty, claimed that the FVEY alliance increases the ability of member states to “subcontract their dirty work” to each other.[63] The former NSA contractor Edward Snowden described the FVEY as a “supra-national intelligence organisation that doesn’t answer to the laws of its own countries”.[6]’
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
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March 17, 2017 4:05pm
- SPC
  
  Funny how people like Snowden and Assange, once demonised by the right, and heroes to people like Dotcom and Harre and election year book writers/investigative journalists, are now championed by them, must be part of TDS.
  
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  March 17, 2017 4:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Just sayin SPC, just sayin.
    Those programs exist. Whether they were used or not who knows.
    
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    March 17, 2017 4:12pm
    - SPC
      
      Sure. If Trump was more game literate he would know POTUS does not authorise surveillance.
      
      That aside it is possible for the US agencies to spy on the Brits and for the Brits to spy on the Americans without breaching their domestic rules – and then to keep each other informed by exchanging gossip afterwards.
      
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      March 17, 2017 4:36pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        I’m pretty sure Trump wasn’t being literal as we all know Potus can’t do that. But his stooges can…
        Especially after Obama changed the rule on how wide collected information can be shared. And Obamas administration does have a track record of spying on US citizens.
        But who knows. It’s all speculation.
        Edit and Snowden is a traitor. That doesn’t mean his info is wrong.
        
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        March 17, 2017 4:40pm
      - SPC
        
        How come Trump is never wrong, just not being literal in what he said …
        
        They all spy on Americans and they all lie that do not. Saying that they do not allows them to think they can catch out those who believe them. That said the form is to exempt politicians – thus the need for partners and exchange of information.
        
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        March 17, 2017 4:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He could be wrong about this. If he is, he’ll have to own it.
        I’m not defending him but trying to be objective. Meta data collection exists.
        There’s a lot of hysteria on here sometimes…#TDS
        Trump said in his Tucker Carlson interview that they have some evidence and they’ll bring it in a couple of weeks.
        If he doesn’t, well then he’s an idiot and will be rightly castigated.A sentiment I’ve expressed before given his penchant for stupid tweets.
        Edit. It’s not just Trump in this. The other actor is Obama, and his track record of honest dealing (and the DNC et al) is bad.
        
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        March 17, 2017 4:50pm
All_on_Red

‘Former Acting CIA Director Michael Morell, who endorsed Hillary Clinton and called Donald Trump a dupe of Russia, cast doubt Wednesday night on allegations that members of the Trump campaign colluded with Russia.

Morell, who was in line to become CIA director if Clinton won, said he had seen no evidence that Trump associates cooperated with Russians. He also raised questions about the dossier written by a former British intelligence officer, which alleged a conspiracy between the Trump campaign and Russia.’
‘Morell said he had learned that the former officer, Christopher Steele, paid his key Russian sources, and interviewed them through intermediaries.’
‘About the dossier, Morell said, “Unless you know the sources, and unless you know how a particular source acquired a particular piece of information, you can’t judge the information — you just can’t.”

The dossier “doesn’t take you anywhere, I don’t think,” he said.’
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/clinton-ally-says-smoke-no-fire-no-russia-trump-collusion-n734176
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March 17, 2017 4:10pm
- SPC
  
  Sounds about right.
  
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  March 17, 2017 4:42pm
EAD

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/03/libtards.html?m=0
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March 17, 2017 4:43pm
- reid3
  
  They proclaim that everyone should be proud of his or her race, culture and sexual orientation. Unless you’re a straight White male. In which case you’re guilty of a hate crime.
  
  And that’s the whole point: That everything about them can be explained by their hostility to Whites, especially straight White men.
  
  The best of ‘liberals’ are delusional fantasists, while the worst – the majority – are self-loathing virtue pimps, bullies and hypocrites who will eventually succumb to their self-annihilating ideologies.
  
  True, ain’t it.
  
  That’s probably why Cunliffe apologised.
  
  He’s a self-hating straight white man.
  
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  March 17, 2017 5:24pm
Fletch

NBC purposely leaked the “pussy grabbing” tape (their own property from their own show) to the Washington Post. The term ‘Fake News’ doesn’t even come close to what this so-called news organisation is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJbkL9Rjcxs
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March 17, 2017 5:08pm
- All_on_Red
  
  The array of people against Trump is formidable.
  Obama and Organising For America is unprecedented.
  Yeah I know Trump does stupid tweets and has funny hair and small hands but he’s cunning. He is smart. He’s quite capable of setting these people up and exposing them.
  Look at Rachel Maddow.
  lol at Stephen Colbert sending her up!
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=q_rTWxJepO8
  Trump actually said that year he made $250 mio but after his deductions of $100 mio his pre tax was the $150 mio on which he then paid tax.
  But he also said he shouldn’t be able to get away with so many deductions and that why he wants to rationalise the Tax system.
  Good luck with the GOP on that.
  
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  March 17, 2017 5:22pm
- mikenmild
  
  How did they manage to fake the tape of Trump talking about grabbing pussy?
  
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  March 17, 2017 7:16pm
  - realityczech
    
    milky why are you so Hetrophobic and filled with hate and rage ?
    
    After that tape was released he polled higher with women
    
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    March 17, 2017 7:31pm
reid3

14 year veteran NIST scientist specialising in high performance mathematical computational science explains how the NIST report explaining the 911 collapses was total bullshit and scientifically impossible.

Read it and weep, sheeple.

Idiots hallucinate the official 911 story MUST be true because if it wasn’t, then people on the inside WOULD have come out and talked about it. And according to the idiots, they haven’t. Actually, they have, and here’s yet another one.

So if you care about the laws of physics but you still think the 911 official story is true, then watch this.

If you don’t care that the NIST explanation is physically impossible, then continue your wretched fantasy in which all sorts of bad things keep happening for no reason at all, at least for no reason the West is responsible for, and it’s all wicked aggwession perpetwated by the big bad Iwaqi, Afghani, Sywian, Libyan, Wussian and Iwanian wagheads who are just so evil it makes you simply fuwious!

You keep thinking that, while the rest of concentrate in finding out what actually did happen, because it’s important. Think about what 911 was used to justify, and think about the ramifications, if NIST really did make up the whole fucking thing. Which according to this NIST scientist, they really truly actually fucking well did.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvAv-114bwM
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March 17, 2017 5:15pm
- realityczech
  
  (((They))) would never do that reid 😉
  
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  March 17, 2017 7:32pm
- SPC
  
  Revisionist myth.
  
  They invented the WMD story to make the regime change in Iraq. This only enabled removing the Taleban in Afghanistan and even then only because the Taleban continued to host them in Afghanistan after 9/11.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:45pm
Happychappy

One of Prime News headlines for 5.30 News. “Why have things got Personal about Labours Deputy Leader Jacinda Ardern and are National worried”. Well it looks the Media have put their stake in the ground and are going all out for what Labour call their game changer.
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March 17, 2017 5:18pm
- realityczech
  
  Good to see the media leading by example and not getting personal in their saturation coverage of anti Trump propaganda.
  
  Yeah right !
  
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  March 17, 2017 5:49pm
- reid3
  
  I’m shocked. Who’da thunk.
  
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  March 17, 2017 5:56pm
- Nookin
  
  The reason why is quite simple. Adern became a deputy leader so that they could present her as the fresh face of the new Labour Party. The clear message was to vote for labour for no reason other than Jacinda was the deputy. They are continuing with the “presidential” (or should I say “vice presidential”) campaigning style.
  Having put Jacinda into the front line and made her the election issue (or one of them) they have to take what comes with that territory. That means that the government and any other party is quite entitled (and indeed has been invited) to point out that she is no great shakes. They made her personality and performance an issue. Not national.
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:24pm
  - simpleton1
    
    A little bit of knowledge is dangerous.
    Just what does she know?
    
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    March 17, 2017 6:33pm
    - sooty
      
      What about what she does not know?
      
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      March 17, 2017 8:58pm
      - simpleton1
        
        What does she know?
        
        What about what she does not know?
        
        Good question,
        Lets meet in the middle.
        for the common answer = 0, zero
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:21pm
realityczech

More Americans feel Barack Obama’s presidency divided the country than feel it brought people together, a new poll shows.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/10/president-barack-obamas-legacy/

Who cares what they “feel”. Obama did divide the country, with race riots,hate groups like BLM and mass killings of YT in places like Dallas.
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March 17, 2017 5:45pm
Jack5

Dumbing down the West …

Illiterate students are entering New Zealand universities, but the examination entry bar won’t be raised.

The NZ Qualifications Authority says raising literacy and numeracy requirements would likely result in fewer people achieving UE and disadvantage Maori and Pasifika students, who were already less likely to take on tertiary study.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/90403943/students-gaining-university-entrance-without-necessary-literacy-numeracy-skills
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March 17, 2017 5:57pm
- simpleton1
  
  A little bit of knowledge can be dangerous.
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:07pm
- simpleton1
  
  Just keeping up with the rest of the world.
  https://apnews.com/9f4138a3dfe943d4914917036f0abc99/Test-meant-to-screen-teachers-instead-weeded-out-minorities?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
  Say what is literacy?
  Equality, that is racial egalitarianism is more important in this age.
  ” The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, its the illusion of knowledge.” Stephen Hawking
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:23pm
Harriet

328 comments already?
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March 17, 2017 6:09pm
- reid3
  
  We’re bored and tragic Harriet.
  
  Next question?
  
  P.S. Please don’t mention it’s Friday night.
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:12pm
cha

Priorities.

Under @POTUS budget, virtually all fed funding to #NYPD eradicated. Entire counterterrorism apparatus in nation's top terror target hobbled. pic.twitter.com/Vetyv1aZrH— Commissioner O'Neill (@NYPDONeill) March 16, 2017

http://thehill.com/policy/international/324421-state-dept-israel-will-not-see-foreign-aid-cuts-under-trump-budget-plan
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March 17, 2017 6:10pm
- All_on_Red
  
  From your link “We’re still at the very beginning of the budget process, and in the coming months these are all going to be figures that we evaluate and look at hard,…”
  
  Sigh
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:15pm
  - cha
    
    Not to be believed, huh.
    
    Provides $3.1 billion to meet the security assistance commitment to Israel, currently at an all-
    time high; ensuring that Israel has the ability to defend itself from threats and maintain its
    Qualitative Military Edge
    
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/whitehouse.gov/files/omb/budget/fy2018/2018_blueprint.pdf
    
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    March 17, 2017 6:45pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Look squirrel.
      Change the subject when it’s pointed out from your own link that it’s just a draft even though you try to smear by indicating that terrorism funding for NYPD is cancelled- when it’s not confirmed yet.
      Like many with TDS you seem surprised that Trump is following through with his promises- like supporting Israel.
      The Left are such losers.
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:37pm
- realityczech
  
  “counterterrorism apparatus in nation’s top terror target hobbled”
  
  = trillions of dollars of US money will not be spent killing people on the other side of the world because another religion hates them.
  
  Planet of the apes is over cha. Live with it.
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:43pm
reid3

Take special note of the information on the abrupt decline in bank issued loans (debt); is it not rather coincidental that as the Federal Reserve presses forward with the interest rate hiking process that credit issuance suddenly freezes up?

Of course not.

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y1pYOeyFuU
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March 17, 2017 6:40pm
- nasska
  
  A squirt of Cydectin down the throat & you’ll be as good as new Reid. 🙂
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:43pm
  - reid3
    
    I was hoping for a swim in it while someone pushed me down with a forked stick nasska.
    
    Ahhh, the good old days, when sheeple were sheeple and real actual sheep were the brainy ones..
    
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    March 17, 2017 6:48pm
    - nasska
      
      We gave up dipping the buggers years ago Reid. Now it’s all taken care of with the drench gun or pour on.
      
      Strawberry or vanilla? 🙂
      
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      March 17, 2017 6:53pm
      - reid3
        
        Yeah I know, I was kidding.
        
        Now I’m not.
        
        Is it real strawberry and vanilla or just the imitation crap Monsanto (evil bastards) put out?
        
        And do you still mix it with ice and rum and drambui in the blender, or have things changed THAT much?
        
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        March 17, 2017 7:07pm
      - nasska
        
        Never checked Reid. I just stick the nozzle down its worm ridden throat, pull the trigger, kiss goodbye to the $1.30 it’s cost & boot its mangy arse out into the race.
        
        We run a “no-frills” establishment. 🙂
        
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        March 17, 2017 7:16pm
      - reid3
        
        You wait till the Gweens hear about that nasska.
        
        Matter of fact, if you advertised at their conference a demonstration of how farmers “abuse” precious animals I imagine you’d not only get significant airtime, laughs and assorted hilarity from the TV audience as they watched the hippy “animal” volunteers vomiting and dry-retching all over the place, you could probably even start your very own political party off the back of it as a retirement project, as well as taking out some of their more popular guitar players and maypole dancers fromvthe upcoming general election, all at the same time.
        
        I have lots of ideas but I rely on others to tell me if they’re any good.
        
        What’s your mileage on that one?
        
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        March 17, 2017 7:35pm
      - nasska
        
        It’s not the Greens that comment was designed to get going Reid although your ideas have merit.
        
        It’s more the reaction from GoVege if she reads it. 🙂
        
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        March 17, 2017 7:54pm
      - GoVege
        
        You can kick your sheeps’ butts to your hearts content, nasska.
        I’m sure they interpret it as their loving sheep dad”s affection for them.
        Sadly, vegequarianism can lead to sore butts too.
        Shortly after the floods last week, I was reaching for a yummy peach and the ground gave way beneath me.
        Agonising butt pain since…
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:38pm
- realityczech
  
  They have promised a collapse for years and it never comes. That is simply because the global economy collapsed years ago, but no one will benefit if they call in the debts and try and balance the books.
  
  So they just keep printing money and all money is issued as debt.
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:48pm
  - reid3
    
    It’s coming now rc, they have engineered it, who could have predicted the GFC which carried over the debt from dot-bomb plus the real-estate bubbles would have been solved by printing.
    
    Because who could have predicted the FED, the FED, would be so reckless as to engage in the self-same practice which has seen utter ruin befall all fiat-based economies?
    
    Yet it did.
    
    It worked because the US is the reserve, had it been any other it would have resulted in Zim, Ven, the Weimar Republic hyper-inflation.
    
    But cos it’s the reserve it worked, sustaining Obongo in his crapulent filth.
    
    Which naturally, the sheeple took to mean it was all OK.
    
    Now the evil ones (maybe???) have someone who can potentially destroy them, game’s over.
    
    We’ll see.
    
    What happens over this, and we’ll see later this year, in June, will tell us a lot.
    
    Of course, the sheeple will be watching their fake news, their sports, their celeb pap and their porn, without even realising we’re witnessing the most critical battle since the American Revolution taking place, right now.
    
    Aren’t sheeple somewhat lacking in perspicacity.
    
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    March 17, 2017 6:54pm
    - reid3
      
      Just BTW, when I say above “it worked” what I mean of course is that the lid on it was successfully kept on for a little longer, the problem is still there.
      
      What these bastards have done is taken a serious infection in the economy and turned it into a ragingly serious bodily-endangering infection that has spread right through the entire system.
      
      And they have through their printing put a plaster on it and sent the patient home, telling them that it’s all fine, nothing is wrong.
      
      Once the plaster is removed, everyone but everyone will panic to see the enreddened seething pulsating wound full of pus and poison, that we will be left to deal with.
      
      I’m not exaggerating.
      
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      March 17, 2017 7:56pm
    - SPC
      
      The EU, UK, Swiss and Japanese did a lot of the QE. Not one is part of the reserve currency …
      
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      March 17, 2017 8:52pm
      - reid3
        
        Their debt positions were nowhere near the US’ is why SPC.
        
        You should stop using emotion to run your analysis, lest you become as mistaken as Lucia.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:23pm
      - SPC
        
        The UK, EU and Japan have substantial debt.
        
        While typically such action is supposed to lead to high inflation, the reason it did not this time has little to do with the US dollar being reserve currency.
        
        It has more to do with the global market impact on prices and wages, low commodity prices etc. The QE was used to assist bank re-capitalisation and the cheap credit was invested into stocks and property (creating a form of asset bubble not recorded in inflation statistics).
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:47pm
      - SPC
        
        The UK debt and the average across the EU is around 90% of GDP.
        
        The US is higher just over 100% – the key fact here is the way in which being a reserve currency makes their debt cheaper than for other nations with this level of debt and continuing forecasts of more deficits. Nations such as Japan survive debt at over 200% of GDP because they fund it internally at very low cost – savers there accept limited returns (deflation and all).
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:09pm
reid3

On Wednesday, March 15, 2017 the U.S. government once again hits its debt ceiling. In short, this means that until Congress raises the ceiling, the government will be unable to borrow more money. If you remember the last time this happened, there were weeks of posturing by Republicans and Democrats while some government services started shutting down. After much deliberation and negotiation the debt ceiling was eventually raised and collapse was avoided.

But this time around we may see a very different set of events play out. If it isn’t clear to you just yet, President Trump is under attack from all sides. Democrats, the media and even members of his own Party want to see him fail. But perhaps more importantly, it is the shadow operators known as “The Deep State” who may take this opportunity to lay the blame for decades of machinations at Trump’s feet.

These shadow forces have been at work manipulating everything from the global economy to the political affairs of sovereign nations.

While March 15th is the day we hit our debt ceiling, June 1st, 2017 is the real date to watch. That’s the day the Deep State may finally pull the trigger:

And what better way to do that then to collapse the economy?

Establishment Republicans and Democrats hate trump… many want to see him fail… even if it means a real systematic crisis for the nation.. in fact, many will even see this as a crisis to get rid of the President… to blame him for the last 30 years of mismanaging the country’s finances and be able to rebuke the voters who elected the President with a national mess… Trump and his supporters will be blamed and take the fall…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_uEobhnPFQ
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March 17, 2017 6:44pm
- realityczech
  
  They have the worlds reserve currency. They can just make more money.
  
  The US went tits-up years ago.
  
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  March 17, 2017 6:51pm
  - reid3
    
    They have the worlds reserve currency. They can just make more money.
    
    See above mate.
    
    The US went tits-up years ago.
    
    I know but they had a purpose keeping it going.
    
    It's their war machine, you see.
    
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    March 17, 2017 6:56pm
    - Jack5
      
      Reid, you are probably a reading, delving, thinking, pondering, serious man, and you bring much to Kiwiblog.
      
      But sometimes I wonder if you are also bat-shit crazy.
      
      That 9/11 was a staged job by the American Establishment is unbelievable. Do you think the CIA hired the Arab suicide hijackers? Do you think that a raging fire can’t collapse metal girders? Do you think all those people in the FBI and CIA with their university-level education are either idiots or politically driven, traitorous maniacs?
      
      Or are you having us all on? Laying out the bait, then laughing?
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:33pm
      - reid3
        
        Jack, 911 is both complex and simple. It could not have happened if the USAF wasn’t stood down.
        
        Who did that.
        
        The various incidents don’t make physical sense. Look at the collapses in NY, the Pentagram attack which just happened after performing aerodynamically impossible manouvers for a 727, to hit the only newly renovated and strengthened Pentagram section which just happened to house the team investigating the missing trillion announced by Rumsfeld 10/11/2001 which just happened to be directly opposite from the Pentagram offices that house the Defense Sec and the JCOS and others.
        
        That’s just some of the interesting things about that, then there’s the fact there were little to no debris from the plane that crashed in the let’s roll saga.
        
        Then there’s the collapses which don’t make sense as that guy in the vid said, not according to him or I, but according to the laws of physics.
        
        How much real evidence based on the real reports do you need before you understand you’ve been played like a violin, just like you were when Kennedy was murdered?
        
        Forget about thinking about who, why and how, until you have the real facts of the what and where clearly in your mind.
        
        Only then can you move onto the other questions.
        
        That’s just logic mate. And who cares about where the other questions lead. Forget about them. Get the what clear, and if the what says: it couldn’t possibly have happened the way the official story explains it did, then follow it.
        
        Isn’t that the only possible logical approach?
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:57pm
      - reid3
        
        And no, I don’t joke about serious subjects Jack. I joke about people but I rarely if ever joke about those.
        
        Do you think the CIA hired the Arab suicide hijackers?
        
        No I think Mossad did.
        
        Do you think that a raging fire can’t collapse metal girders
        
        No I don’t and considering what happened in Madrid a few years after 911 why the fuck does anyone think that?
        
        Do you think all those people in the FBI and CIA with their university-level education are either idiots or politically driven, traitorous maniacs?
        
        No. Why do you ask and what does that question have anything whatsoever to do with 911 and what happened there?
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

I have lots of ideas but I rely on others to tell me if they’re any good.

If you chaps are up for a bit of brainstorming this evening, I have a couple of proposals that need some considered peer review.

Lately I have had a number of requests for my thoughts and beliefs.

Should I put out an exclusive, expensive faux-leather bound, hand-stitched edition of Maggy’s Contemplations, or

start up an exclusive, expensive Academy of Meta-theology/ Bush-Baptistry in the wilds of Kaiti and fleece the gullible?
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March 17, 2017 8:25pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Neither, get a husky voice and some long FMD boots and start an 0900 number.
  More money in that.
  
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  March 17, 2017 8:27pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve always held that some faith scam that had elements of astrology & good ol’time religion would be an all time cash cow Maggy.
    
    “Pisces is in Mars, send your savings to God via me” would tick all the boxes of the gullible. 🙂
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:33pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh, I don’t need money…
    
    I just want to satisfy folks’ cravings for my esoteric musings.
    
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    March 17, 2017 8:34pm
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      You have two “fans” here on KB who hunt your every post so if you tailor your musings to their tastes it should be a winner.
      
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      March 17, 2017 8:40pm
    - nasska
      
      Shouldn’t be a problem Maggy. Just go & wander around a desert somewhere for a few years before you start spouting the esoteric crap. Then you’ll have mad followers hanging on your every utterance.
      
      Ages back it worked okay for a couple of religious nuts & they now have about 4 billion of the world’s population at each others throats.
      
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      March 17, 2017 8:42pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        just go & wander around a desert somewhere
        I spent 3 years in that cultural desert – Palmerston North… so I reckon that counts….
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:08pm
    - mikenmild
      
      John Oliver has a template for you to follow:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y1xJAVZxXg
      
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      March 17, 2017 9:01pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Looks too complicated…
        I was more thinking along the lines of dumping my acolytes in some remote valley in the Raukumaras with a copy of my musings and just leave them to it.
        
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        March 17, 2017 9:12pm
EAD

TRIGGER WARNING

“Number of Swedish children wanting to change gender doubling each year”.

We have gone way past the degradation forced upon Weimar Germany. The day of the rope cannot be far off now.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/03/15/swedish-children-gender-double-year/
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March 17, 2017 8:58pm
- mikenmild
  
  But who will clear things away like your dear old Führer did for Weimar Germany?
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:08pm
- Jack5
  
  Are there more people changing gender, EAD, or are people just more open about it now?
  
  I don’t mind, but I don’t see why the costs of anyrelevant surgery should come out of the national health budget.
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    If folks go overseas to get a cheapy that turns into a balls-up (or goes tits-up), then the tax-payer ends up footing the bill in the long run.
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/90412433/botched-overseas-sex-change-leaves-auckland-woman-mutilated-and-facing-lifetime-of-chronic-pain
    
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    March 17, 2017 9:42pm
- reid3
  
  Clearly some sheeple don’t know the depravity that occurred in Weimar Germany EAD.
  
  Basically all sexual perversions including child sex and bestiality.
  
  A lot of the perps happened to be Jewish.
  
  Hitler used that in his propaganda program as he was blaming all Jews for the crimes of a few Jews.
  
  But fact remains, they were Jewish.
  
  And when Hitler combined the horrors of the Weimar Republic with the widespread common knowledge – same as now with Muslims – that Jews were responsible for the German loss in WWI because the Jews convinced Wilson to enter the war, which the senior Jews who call themselves Jews but aren’t actually are in fact did, then you got a seething cauldron of rage developing amongst the best educated, most cultured population in Europe.
  
  Fact is, Hitler was evil.
  
  Fact is, Hitler used the action of a few senior evil people who happened to be Jews to paint all German Jews as being personally responsible.
  
  So he was evil.
  
  But he wasn’t wrong about what the senior Jews did, and the lie of history is that it doesn’t even mention that, let alone explore it.
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:37pm
- Jack5
  
  Speaking of degradation and Weimar Germany.
  
  There was Ernst Julius Günther Röhm, a close friend of Adolf Hitler, a Nazi Party pioneer, and co-founder of the SA, or the Brown Shirts, the forerunners of the SS.
  
  Röhm was a homosexual, and the Brown Shirts became a little notorious for their homosexual cavortings.
  
  He was so blatant that the then new SS murdered Rohm and many of the other leading gay Brown Shirts.
  
  Then, of course the Nazis fomented degradation in countries they occupied, especially in the east. Women, even schoolgirls, were kidnapped and forced into military brothels.
  
  Even ignoring Nazi crimes in World War 2, Hitler himself was no moral paragon: didn’t he have an incestuous relationship with his niece and didn’t he abandon a war child conceived in German-occupied World War 1 France?
  
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  March 17, 2017 9:46pm
  - reid3
    
    Lotta gay shit in Nazism Jack.
    
    Funny how its carried over to the PC brigade, isn’t it.
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:03pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Hmmmm. I’d observe that power gives men hard ons.
      The sexual orientation is just incidental.
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:08pm
      - reid3
        
        So you’re saying we should all set ourselves on becoming managers and eventually, executives AoR?
        
        Given it’s quite hard to concentrate when you have a hard-on those execs must be quite super-human to do what they do while in that presumably permanent condition.
        
        That’s probably why they all have tailored suits I imagine.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        No
        It’s just an observation of how wealth sometimes influences attitude.
        Managers are different from owners btw.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:36pm
    - reid3
      
      You don’t understand humour much do you.
      
      Ah well.
      
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      March 17, 2017 10:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ahhh
        It’s late and I have a sick child distracting me.
        
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        March 17, 2017 10:48pm
  - GoVege
    
    I read a book on Hitler that said he exhibited all the mannerisms of a repressed gay man.
    Homophobia has a lot to answer for..
    
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    March 17, 2017 10:43pm
realityczech

Thanks Jack5 for sharing your story about gay nazis.

And to think people try and claim they killed the gays. But like you said they were actually very liberal.

Just one of the many lies told about the nazis.
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March 17, 2017 10:40pm
- Jack5
  
  Realityczech, I didn’t say the Nazis were liberal, just that some of them were openly homosexual and that Hitler is believed to have got up to something incestuous with his niece, Angela Maria “Geli” Raubal, who shot herself after Hitler reportedly barred her from a visit after a row about her association with a man.
  
  This is from Wikipedia:
  
  The historian Ian Kershaw maintains that “whether actively sexual or not, Hitler’s behaviour towards Geli has all the traits of a strong, latent at least, sexual dependence.”
  
  The police ruled out foul play; the death was ruled a suicide. Hitler was devastated and went into an intense depression. He took refuge at a house on the shores of Tegernsee lake, and did not attend the funeral in Vienna on 24 September. He visited her grave at Vienna’s Zentralfriedhof (Central Cemetery) two days later. Thereafter, he overcame his depression and refocused on politics.
  
  Hitler later declared that Raubal was the only woman he had ever loved. Her room at the Berghof was kept as she had left it, and he hung portraits of her in his own room there and at the Chancellery in Berlin.
  
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  March 17, 2017 10:52pm
  - realityczech
    
    “I didn’t say the Nazis were liberal, just that some of them were openly homosexual”
    
    Sounds pretty liberal to me. So you did say the nazi were gay friendly.
    
    Then you added to it by giving us proof Hitler was a flaming poofter.
    
    So we can safely conclude the stories about them killing all the gays is yet another myth, based on your research.
    
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    March 17, 2017 11:00pm
    - Jack5
      
      Jeez, Realityczech, you sound like one of those American TV lawyers.
      
      Extend what someone says then hammer the extension.
      
      I thought the Nazis murdered thousands of homosexuals in the concentration camps (see link below). They were murdering Masons and Gypsies as well as Jews, too.
      
      I guess if you were a gay, Jewish, Mason, you were pretty well doomed.
      
      Fuck that argument up, Realityzcech.
      
      https://www.ushmm.org/learn/students/learning-materials-and-resources/homosexuals-victims-of-the-nazi-era/persecution-of-homosexuals
      
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      March 17, 2017 11:16pm
Jack5

One more post to go after this and we’re at 400.

C’mon guys. Go for a 2017 record.

Here Kea! Here Kea! Here Kea!

C’mon! Good bird! Here Kea! C’mon down for a game.

Here Kea! Here Kea! Here Kea!
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March 17, 2017 10:42pm
All_on_Red

Happy to oblige
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March 17, 2017 10:46pm
Jack5

How will DPF, an open republican, mark in Kiwiblog the coming death of Queen Elizabeth. (In the meantime, long may she live.)

Perhaps DPF can put all the threads in bold (black) type. Perhaps he will organise it so that, when you log on to Kiwiblog, you get an audio of a few bars of Chopin’s Funeral March.

This will be the biggest Royal event since the death of Queen Victoria.

What a great woman Elizabeth has been and still is. She has held so much together.
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March 17, 2017 11:10pm
- Jack5
  
  Big Ears, in contrast, will get one of those trendy Greenie funerals, with a coffin that decomposes with his body in a Greenie graveyard.
  
  Eco pilgrims will come from round the world to hear his spirit chatting with the plants around his grave. Help will be available from organic marijuana.
  
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  March 17, 2017 11:24pm
Jack5

I’m done. I don’t think we can push the thread to 450 posts tonight, comrades. So goodnight.

Another great fightback by the Crusaders tonight.
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March 17, 2017 11:25pm
Manolo

Mamma Merkel goes to Washington:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4324542/Trump-Merkel-hold-face-face-talks-White-House.html
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March 18, 2017 5:56am
Manolo

The truth from an Aussie fan:
The Blues have now qualified as Australian Team and shall now be known as the Greater Sydney Blues. This is due to them not having beaten a NZ Super Rugby team since Jesus played fullback for Jerusalem.
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