General Debate 16 March 2017

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virtualmark

Interesting and objective explanation of ObamaCare, TrumpCare and their respective flaws.

http://www.schiffradio.com/trumpcare-different-plan-problems/

Also, very interesting to see one of Trump’s closest friends recommending he move closer to universal health care … http://www.newsmax.com/ChristopherRuddy/trump-healthcare-health-paul-ryan/2017/03/14/id/778568/

I agree that America should move to more of a socialised health care system like we have here. But when Bernie Sanders suggests initiatives like this he’s called a communist!
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March 16, 2017 8:02am
- Lance
  
  When Repubs talk about Canada’s communist health care, the Canucks chuckle.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:15am
dime

The Don has bought Dime a lot of joy this week.

This morning it was his snoop dog tweet:

““Can you imagine what the outcry would be if Snoop Dogg, failing career and all, had aimed and fired the gun at President Obama?” Trump marveled in a message on Twitter. “Jail time!””

heh

yesterday we hear hes going to halve the funding the yanks give to that shit hole UN. glorious!!!

then of course we get his tax records from 05. aint that just a kick in the guts for the media and lefties.

great times!
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March 16, 2017 8:04am
- Simon
  
  Hillary Clinton’s campaign is planning its most ambitious push yet into traditionally right-leaning states, a new offensive aimed at extending her growing advantage over Donald J. Trump while bolstering down-ballot candidates in what party leaders increasingly suggest could be a sweeping victory for Democrats at every level.
  
  The maneuvering speaks to the unexpected tension facing Mrs. Clinton as she hurtles toward what aides increasingly believe will be a decisive victory
  
  Should Mrs. Clinton maximize her own margin, aiming to flip as many red states as possible to run up an electoral landslide, or prioritize the party’s congressional fortunes, redirecting funds and energy down the ballot?
  
  https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/18/us/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign.html?_r=0
  
  Trump haters believed the above with all their might. Basically Trump haters have had their brains scrambled. Will time heal? It is very unlikely.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:13am
  - VicParking
    
    If the river floods we will be able to sue it via its legal representatives the local IWI. It will need to comply with the health and saftey regulations to protect swimmers at all times and be prosecuted if someone drowns. Farmers should be able to sue every time in undermines the river banks and takes away their property. This just shows the stupidity of this type of thinking.
    
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    March 16, 2017 8:46am
  - NK
    
    Trump lied about the so-called wire tap.
    
    And you still preach his virtues?
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:04am
    - Fletch
      
      Says who? The FISA warrants all but confirm that Trump Tower was tapped. You can say that Trump was wrong in accusing Obama personally but Obama had to have known.
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:35am
      - Tirebiter
        
        Which FISA warrants?
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:44am
      - ztev
        
        The Director of national intelligence has said , categorically, there were no FISA warrants.
        
        Next week Trump will blame the media lies for making up stuff he only said with ‘air quotes’
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:51am
      - virtualmark
        
        Fletch,
        
        Must. Drink. Less. Kool-Aid.
        
        There are no FISA warrants for tapping Trump or Trump Tower as candidate, campaign or as President.
        
        The director of the FBI said there was no tapping.
        The director of national intelligence said there was no tapping.
        The (Republican) chairman of the House Intelligence Committee said there was no tapping.
        
        But you, Fletch, you say there was?
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:21am
  - realityczech
    
    virtualmark, you are confused. It is confirmed Obama regime bugged Trump Towers. All that remains is to lay charges > trial > jail/firing squad.
    
    They need to put an end to this sorry chapter in US history so Trump can begin the nations healing process.
    
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    March 16, 2017 12:45pm
    - virtualmark
      
      There’s still a trial in there between laying charges and the firing squad?
      
      That’s not what Steve Bannon told me.
      
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      March 16, 2017 3:59pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yeah they should do away with the trial.
        
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        March 16, 2017 5:26pm
- krazykiwi
  
  yesterday we hear hes going to halve the funding the yanks give to that shit hole UN. glorious!!!
  
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  That is jolly good
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Why ?
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:25am
    - GazzaW
      
      Because it’s a cesspit of corruption gone completely off the rails and long departed from its original values.
      
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      March 16, 2017 9:50am
      - dime
        
        even left wing mccain wanted to ditch the UN.. well, start his league of democracies which was basically a huge F U to the un
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:11am
    - krazykiwi
      
      Five reasons spring to mind.
      
      The UN is a club of
      (1) despots and
      (2) dictators,
      (3) paid for by me, and
      (4) endorsed by trolls, and
      (5) seen by politicians as an altogether bigger trough to get their noses into
      
      Reason enough.
      
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      March 16, 2017 12:44pm
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      If you really need to ask that question then there really is no helping you.
      
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      March 16, 2017 12:44pm
- Longknives
  
  President Trump makes an excellent point-
  Say, for example, Ted Nugent had made a Rock Video where he shoots Obama in the head?
  The outcry from the Left would be deafening..
  I’d also suggest Ted would swiftly end up in Court.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:56am
  - MCos
    
    Ted Nugent threatened Obama numerous times, as I’m sure you’re aware.
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:06am
  - Fletch
    
    Yup, the Left have a history of this. Back in 2006 they made the film Death of a President in which Bush is assassinated. The film even won an award at the Toronto film festival. If a film had been made about Obama being assassinated there would have been a HUGE outcry and riots in the streets.
    
    That is the difference between left and right. As Ann Coulter told Joy Behar, a liberal can easily go and visit a conservative campus and not have to take along a bodyguard; not so the other way around. Any conservative speaker visiting a liberal campus needs bodyguards to keep safe.
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:40am
    - Tirebiter
      
      And during the Eisenhower administration they made a film named ‘Suddenly’ about the assassination of an American president. America has a view of the world that is sometimes disturbing. It’s called free speech.
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:46am
      - dime
        
        tirebiter – thats all good. but we are actually talking about the hypocrisy of the left.
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:12am
      - Tirebiter
        
        dime
        
        Excuse me. I thought the header at the top of this thread was “General Debate 16 March 2017”. Debate usually assumes if not requires contrary if not contradictory positions. No?
        
        But have it your own way. I don’t mind.
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:31am
- Liberty
  
  “yesterday we hear hes going to halve the funding the yanks give to that shit hole UN. glorious!!!”
  
  So do gets a point stopping the warmist gravy train and Pandering to the socialist at the UN.
  He is still a Racist bigot.
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:20am
  - realityczech
    
    Racist for restricting immigration from countries off Obama’s list.
    
    Obama killed thousands of people in those countries, the Mexican border was patrolled by drones, armed patrols and attack dogs. The filthy animal Obama deported more immigrants than any other president in US history.
    
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    March 16, 2017 6:07pm
Nukuleka

Do we have no politicians brave enough to call out the government on its nonsensical granting of ‘personhood’ to the Whanganui River? This is, frankly, stone-age stuff and not the sort of action that any rational government should be doing in the 21st century.
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March 16, 2017 8:04am
- rangitoto
  
  I guess it means you can sue the river if it floods and damages your property, or if anyone drowns in it, the police can charge it with murder.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:11am
  - ztev
    
    Its just sloppy reporting. They mean legal entity, just like every other company , trust ,partnership in NZ
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:53am
    - Liberty
      
      Amazing ztev has posted a constructive comment.
      Even if it is beyond the rednecks to comprehend.
      
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      March 16, 2017 11:28am
- Souvlaki
  
  Yep…Nats increasingly disconnected from electorate.” Common man” can see the bullshit…Emporers new clothes stuff! Becoming obvious why Key tossed in towel…better to play golf than try to herd this bunch of stray cats with no social antennae whatsover!???
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:13am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The call for compensation is just appearing on the horizon as a taniwha’s (there is bound to be more than one) feelings are hurt.
  
  Is there no end to this gravy train lunacy?
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:14am
  - kowtow
    
    No there’s no end to it.
    
    Ngai Tahu.
    
    “The $170 million settlement in 1997 was the tribe’s fifth.”
    
    https://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/complaint-industry-still-rambles
    
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    March 16, 2017 8:37am
- SGA
  
  Nukuleka
  
  This is, frankly, stone-age stuff and not the sort of action that any rational government should be doing in the 21st century.
  
  On the other hand, you see similar things in some Eastern religions such as Shinto –
  
  Kami or shin (神) is defined in English as “god”, “spirit”, “spiritual essence”, all these terms meaning ‘the energy generating a thing’. Since the Japanese language does not distinguish between singular and plural, kami refers to the divinity, or sacred essence, that manifests in multiple forms. Rocks, trees, rivers, animals, places, and even people can be said to possess the nature of kami. Kami and people exist within the same world and share its interrelated complexity.
  
  (Wikipedia)
  
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  March 16, 2017 10:17am
  - Kimbo
    
    Point out to Nukuleka that he believes that a piece of bread and some wine can become actual human flesh and blood, and just listen to the grizzles:
    
    “Not the same!”
    
    “Only the most stupid, bigoted anti-Catholic would make that comparison”
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:23am
    - SGA
      
      At the time, I nearly added that I didn’t know whether to be amused or dismayed that a good Christian like Nukuleka was disparaging others’ beliefs because they weren’t rational, but I let it pass.
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:27am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Argue the point and not the man. I’m sorry that you have such an apparent obsession with me. Perhaps I ought to be flattered.
      
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      March 16, 2017 12:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I did – your arguments are hypocritical in that you criticise others – Maori, Muslims – yet when the same standards and measures are objectively applied to the religion you so fiercely defend…it too fails, yet rather than take that on board…you shoot and/or misrepresent the messenger, and fail to (to quote you) “argue the point and not the man”, e.g., your effort on General Debate two days ago:
        
        As for the drivel about Catholic nuns. I know personally dozens of nuns who do not wear any sort of head covering or even any sort of identifying habit. Only the most prejudiced and ignorant anti-Catholic would distort the truth and claim that nuns all wear veils and habits. It’s fake. MARCH 14, 2017 1:30PM
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_14_march_2017.html
        
        For that reason, your all-too-predictable and loathsome conduct is worthy of a response, especially when you claim to be guided by Christian wisdom and virtue. Your own base, tribal prejudices more like it…
        
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        March 16, 2017 1:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        “Christian wisdom and virtue”
        
        Kimbo, that is the joke of the day. I think both Jews and Muslims are united on that one.
        
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        March 16, 2017 6:03pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    There are basically 3 categories or types of kami:
    
    Reference: http://www.world-religions-professor.com/shintogods.html
    
    You can check it out, if you like.
    
    The problem with Shinto is that it works well in a closed system like traditional Japanese society, but doesn’t deal too well with cultures who don’t share its values. (But then, the same applies to many local religions.)
    
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    March 16, 2017 11:24am
- Tirebiter
  
  Sounds a bit round the bend to me but how is this different from granting ‘personhood’ to corporations like they do in the US – which to me is just as far round the bend? In fact, corporations have more rights in America than most humans.
  
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  March 16, 2017 10:49am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The Waikato river flows from the mountains to the sea. Nek minute it’s a free for all. There is a drain running down the side of my property, I want it to be a person – how much will they pay me for my drain?????
  
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  March 16, 2017 5:59pm
Paulus Gnome

An Auckland paper tells us ‘Victim stalked, sexually attacked after watching All Blacks test’

Yep, I really really want to treat these disturbed aholes as ‘normal’ people who add to the colour, vibrancy and social diverseness of our inclusive loving caring sharing rainbow society. Touchy touchy warmy feely goodie for embracing and including these ‘people’ as part of our society.

I really really wanted my children, and now, grandchildren, the opportunity to share toilets, changing rooms, neighbourhood and the planet with these wonderful specimens of ‘people’ at the top of the food chain.

My arse – Jim Royale

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11819182
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March 16, 2017 8:08am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  So what I’m getting from this is that Rugby is to blame for the rise of rape culture in NZ?
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:22am
  - kowtow
    
    Could have been ” Weirdo attacks young man after watching Rocky Horror Picture Show” , but somehow putting rugby in there appeals to more to the MSM mind.
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:48am
    - ztev
      
      Imagine the fun they would have had if was ‘after attending Bill English election rally’ !
      
      One will will never see : After watching Americas Cup racing
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:55am
oldpark

TVNZ the purveyors of half baked news. Last night on their “news scoop”.which they sucked off MSNBC ,a report about Donald Trumps tax returns. The cue news reader was actually salivating on the revealed tasx return ,and denigrating Donald Trump and the tax return. Dellow and his TVNZ deliberately mislaid the viewers by providing half of the story. He ommitted that Donal Trump had paid more tax than MSNBC, BARACK OBAMA,BERNIE SANDERS, the socialist. Surely if a taxpayer owned TVNZ, only tell a small part of a huge story,and sets out to mislay its viewers,one should surely ask for a please explain,or is the Lie-bour/Green Party controlled TVNZ news room out of bounds for an inquiry.
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March 16, 2017 8:13am
- Souvlaki
  
  AND it related to 2005 !! In the eyes of TVNZ…this was THE most important news in the world yesterday?? Give the long suffering owners ( us) a break !
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:22am
- oldpark
  
  To get the real story on Donald Trumps tax return, the story that TVNZ conveniently and deliberately ommitted,from their “news”.check out the” Drudge Report”. It completely reveals how NZs so called news outlets,are massaged, and the viewers,or listeners,are fed Fake News daily,by cloth capped trade unionists,masquerading as journalists.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:22am
  - stephieboy
    
    oldpark , so you believe it was acceptable for your master to release only his 2005 return ?
    
    Whats he got to hide about the rest ?
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:30am
    - oldpark
      
      Wasn’t Donald who released his tax return. Stephieboy Probably was your master Mohammed from “quran” fame. the one who married a nine year old child. Seems you daily deny the truth about your master Mohammed,and his book of “reveals” and they are not about tax..
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:01am
      - ztev
        
        Plenty of European royalty at the time were married at the age !
        
        “ in 1396, Richard II of England was joined in marriage to young Isabel of France, who had been 7 years old when their engagement was announced the previous year in Paris.
        
        Why isnt there some sort of European Culture group to advance the knowledge of the great and glorious patrimony ?
        Yet we have ignorant swine such as Oldpark giving forth
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:01am
      - Liberty
        
        Oldpark you are totally of topic.
        The life and times of Mohammed has stuff all to do with Trumps Tax returns.
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:41am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        Great work ztev – yes in 1396 adults married kids. But they got over that problem and don’t do dodgy shit like statutory rape marriage any more.
        
        Yet – 1400 years later – under Islam it’s still OK to do statutory rape marriage if you are an unhinged child molesting follower of the cult worshipping a 6th century unhinged child molesting monster.
        
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        March 16, 2017 12:48pm
  - Tirebiter
    
    The Drudge Report? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black about ‘fake news’. They go way back.
    But that’s freedom of the press for you. The ‘press’ can say whatever they want unless it’s libelous. But proving libel in the US is far harder than most other places – that pesky free speech you know.
    It’s up to the news consumer to judge whether what they’re being fed is true or not. And with the sophisticated propaganda techniques all the media have learned use to maintain themselves by capturing the minds of the uncritical, or cashing in on all those eyeballs that attract the advertisers, or cozying up to those rick folks with an ax to grind, it gets harder every year.
    
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    March 16, 2017 11:01am
- kowtow
  
  Talking of salivating , I got the impression that Ploddy Glower believes he’s found the gummint’s achilles heal over water , they’re pushing this one real hard. No traction on housing , change focus to water.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:43am
  - holysheet
    
    That fuckwit nick smith is not helping their cause by saying its not an issue. Talk about head in the sand, you think he would have learnt a bit from the “housing crisis” on how to handle these issues.
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:20am
    - G152
      
      the majority of that water ends up in the sea/ocean.
      Where is the reason for the panic?
      Going to rain tomorrow or the next day
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:43am
      - ztev
        
        Its the mystery of the Age.
        For me its more of a worry why we havent canned the laughter of our children for sale. It too is a precious resource
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:16am
      - holysheet
        
        I agree with you, but it’s his arrogant attitude to this that is all wrong especially in an election year.
        The plebs are looking for anything negative to hang the nats on.
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:17am
      - RF
        
        I agree. No one is able to calculate just how much water finishes up in the sea be it via rivers or aquifers. Especially over on the West Coast of the SI.
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:54am
  - Souvlaki
    
    Yes true ! Also true that Nick Smith is out to lunch IMO. Those of us in Auckland pay through the nose to GET water and then PAY through the nose again via disposal( waste water charges.) even when it goes on the garden into the pool and never sees the sewers. It rankles the”average “person that some overseas Johnny come lately should profit at the public’s expense…and I’m right wing !
    
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    March 16, 2017 11:45am
EAD

Reason 1488 to hate the MSM:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/90487740/dutch-vote-in-test-of-antiimmigrant-sentiment-in-europe

The Dutch tested their own tolerance for immigration and Islam in an election magnified by a furious row with Turkey, the first of three polls in the European Union this year where nationalist parties are seeking breakthroughs

Has it ever occured to the MSM that perhaps they might be voting for something more than virtue signalling “tolerance” and something more important like their very survival as a people?

Why is it that only White countries must “tolerate” having their leaders make them racial minorities in their own lands without their consent?

Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society. – Aristotle
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March 16, 2017 8:14am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Are we only up to 1488?
  
  Feels like more.
  
  Are you not counting ‘reasons to distrust’ in there?
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:16am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    1488 is EADs (not so) tricky way of inserting a NAZI reference into GD.
    
    Fourteen Words, or simply 14, is a reference to a white supremacist and white nationalist slogan: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
    
    It can be used to refer to a different 14-word slogan: “Because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth.
    
    88 stands for the 8th letter of the alphabet HH or Heil Hitler.
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:01am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Also 88 can reference this:
      
      The first slogan is claimed to have been inspired by a statement, 88 words in length, from Volume 1, Chapter 8 of Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf:
      
      What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproduction of our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purity of our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the creator of the universe. Every thought and every idea, every doctrine and all knowledge, must serve this purpose. And everything must be examined from this point of view and used or rejected according to its utility.
      
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      March 16, 2017 9:09am
      - EAD
        
        Ironically ABS, Adolf got his ideas from Jewish Prime Minister of Britain – Benjamin Disraeli
        
        “All is race; there is no other truth ,and every race must fall which carelessly suffers its blood to become mixed”.
        
        “No man will treat with indifference the principle of race. It is the key to history, and why history is often so confused is that it has been written by men who are ignorant of this principle and all the knowledge it involves. . . Language and religion do not make a race–there is only one thing which makes a race, and that is blood.”
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:09am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Aristotle wrote no such thing.
  
  Fake attribution.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:39am
  - EAD
    
    Really Maggy?
    
    http://i59.tinypic.com/ams22d.jpg
    
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/a4/7a/d0/a47ad0b981319625f4746adf90967a10.jpg
    
    http://www.quotespie.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/quote-tolerance-and-apathy-are-the-last-virtues-of-a-dying-society-aristotle-81-63-47.jpg
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @EAD
      
      Well, I can’t locate it any of Aristotle’s works.
      http://faculty.washington.edu/smcohen/ariworks.htm
      
      So if you could just provide the Name of the Book and the page number (you might need to identify which edition)
      
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      March 16, 2017 11:15am
      - ztev
        
        maybe it was Aristotle Onassis !!
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:20am
- simpleton1
  
  “”tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society” version seems to be attributed to the modern evangelical minister D James Kennedy”.
  
  Does the hat fit?
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:17am
- SPC
  
  The guy who dies his hair blonde is going to lose.
  
  Even the one balled Austrian was not that much of a poser.
  
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  March 16, 2017 12:58pm
  - SPC
    
    And wow he is losing bigly.
    
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    March 16, 2017 2:11pm
    - SPC
      
      Winning 19 seats in a 150 seat parliament is not a mandate for change now is it …
      
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      March 16, 2017 3:58pm
Inandout

‘Rape culture action’ has now taken on a sort of Mao re-education as far as those two Wellington College students go. Their punishment is so severe they may as well turn gay at the end of their flogging term, their labido will be completely drained.
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March 16, 2017 8:17am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  It’s a week off school and they’ll probably have to pick up some rubbish as well. I expect they’ll survive the experience.
  
  But I’m not really sure why the school thinks it can can punish students for perfectly legal conduct outside school time. It would been more effective to issue a public statement naming the students and condemning their remarks, while pointing out that freedom of expression means that no direct punishment is possible.
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:53am
Manolo

The Dutch go to the polls:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/778648/Dutch-election-polls-live-updates-latest-news-Geert-Wilders-Mark-Rutte-Netherlands-poll
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March 16, 2017 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  Last chance of stopping the slide into the abyss,a place where Dutch culture will be completely destroyed.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:42am
  - nathaliesnoopy
    
    what do you know about dutch culture want to know as I am a native dutch person who was born in holland
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:27am
  - krazykiwi
    
    The abyss seems to be an appealing destination judging by the exit polls
    
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    March 16, 2017 12:53pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Not mentioned in the article that I could see on a quick search of “hacking”, but really important to note on the Dutch elections:
  
  Dutch to hand count votes over hacking fears
  
  All votes in next month’s Dutch election will be counted by hand to counter the threat of hacking, the government says.
  
  It follows reports that software used to tally results at regional and national level may not be secure.
  
  Intelligence agencies have warned the French, German and Dutch elections could be vulnerable to manipulation by outside actors, including Russia.
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:28am
  - Andrei
    
    I love it Lucia – when the people turn against the Godless elites, who are leading them to destruction, at the ballot box it is always Russia to blame
    
    The effete Western elites need to look in the mirror sometime to gain insight as to why they and their ideas are rightly being rejected – and it has nothing to do with Russia
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:01am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      You must have missed this major bit of news, then: U.S. charges Russian spies, hackers in massive Yahoo hack
      
      The 47-count Justice Department indictment includes charges of conspiracy, computer fraud and abuse, economic espionage, theft of trade secrets, wire fraud, access device fraud and aggravated identify theft. It paints a picture of the Russian security services working hand-in-hand with cyber criminals, who helped spies further their intelligence goals in exchange for using the same exploits to make money.
      
      “The criminal conduct at issue, carried out and otherwise facilitated by officers from an FSB unit that serves as the FBI’s point of contact in Moscow on cyber crime matters, is beyond the pale,” Acting Assistant Attorney General Mary McCord said at a press conference announcing the charges.
      
      It’s getting that no one will trust the online world at all, soon.
      
      Ok, I exaggerate, I can’t see that happening. There’s too many Reids etc out there.
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:43am
      - Andrei
        
        Indeed we are in a murky world here Lucia Maria
        
        Interestingly enough at least one of the Russian FSB agents indicted for this hack by the USA is currently under arrest in Russia charged with treason for spying for the USA
        
        All very muddy
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:08am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Andrei, Interesting. I would love to know what is going on there.
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:20am
mikenmild

Tip of the day: When employing a new staff member, randomly throw away half the CVs you receive. You wouldn’t want to hire anyone unlucky, would you?
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March 16, 2017 8:31am
- cmm
  
  Print them out and throw them down the steps.
  
  Pick the one that goes farthest.
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:15am
- holysheet
  
  Is that why the public service is stacked with so many useless bodies?
  
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  March 16, 2017 10:23am
Maggy Wassilieff

Zero carbon, Eco-school with ground-breaking water-harvesting design demolished after 3 years.

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/devon-council-gets-8m-settlement-over-leaky-new-eco-school-which-had-to-be-demolished/story-30204959-detail/story.html
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March 16, 2017 8:32am
- krazykiwi
  
  Zero carbon
  
  That’s a Council’s first dishonest claim. The vast majority of the school and its [former] students are made of the stuff.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:42am
  - ztev
    
    But but
    “Problems centred around a groundbreaking sustainable roof which was clad in thin strips of locally-coppiced sweet chestnut.
    
    The wood was intended to provide a “natural and breathable envelope” without needing any sort of artificial membrane or waterproofing.”
    
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    March 16, 2017 12:31pm
Ross12

The changes are coming and it shows up the sense of entitlement.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2017/03/15/seething-u-s-journalists-angered-about-taking-commercial-flights-to-cover-secretary-tillerson-in-asia/
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March 16, 2017 8:39am
- krazykiwi
  
  anger and seething rage of U.S. journalists who have been forced to fly First-Class Commercial to cover Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s Asia trip
  
  Right. Angry at being forced to fly first class.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:43am
  - Ross12
    
    That was the bit I had to read twice, krazykiwi. I thought my eyes were deceiving me.
    
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    March 16, 2017 8:52am
  - ztev
    
    Idiot. Doesnt say ‘first class’ Commercial
    
    “Several of our members have traveled commercially to meet Secretary Tillerson on the ground in Asia.”
    
    and
    “reporters covering Tillerson’s trip to South Korea, Japan, and China that he would not be taking reporters on his plane and that they would have to fly commercially”
    
    What sort of morons cant even read the story properly and then have fake outrage over something that didnt happen.
    Someones engines are short a propellor
    
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    March 16, 2017 12:37pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      ztev:
      
      Idiot. Doesnt say ‘first class’ Commercial
      
      article:
      
      A Reuters filing en route to Asia showcases the bitterness, anger and seething rage of U.S. journalists who have been forced to fly First-Class Commercial to cover Secretary of State Rex Tillerson’s Asia trip.
      
      No ‘fake outrage’ from me.
      
      But from you? Not so certain.
      
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      March 16, 2017 1:34pm
    - Komata
      
      How times have changed (and how the entitlement has grown)!! These individuals would never have survived the old ‘Six O’clock news’ routine common during the Vietnam era. The consisted of catching ‘Red-eye Commercial flight from LA on a Thursday evening, arriving in Saigon on Friday morning, followed by a Friday and Saturday interviewing people and compiling the report, before flying home Sunday evening to arrive in time for Monday’s 6 pm news broadcast’. Twelve hours on a commercial flight was standard fare for all and any Journalist / TV Reporter worthy of the name..
      
      Now, it seems that the little flowers wilt if they aren’t allowed to become ‘well watered’…
      
      Slipped standards anyone?
      
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      March 16, 2017 1:44pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Journalists have standards?
        Interesting theory…
        
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        March 16, 2017 3:19pm
kowtow

Talking of rape culture those Swedes really are reaping the benefits of the diversity dividend and multiculturalism .

“Two of the men, a 20-year-old Afghan national and an 18-year-old also from Afghanistan, are charged with rape. The third man, a 24-year-old Swedish citizen, has been charged with failing to reveal rape. He is also charged with defamation, over the filming and live-streaming of the incident. All three deny the charges.”

https://www.thelocal.se/20170315/three-men-charged-over-uppsala-facebook-rape-video
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March 16, 2017 8:40am
- Inandout
  
  Stephie will claim ‘thelocal’ is fake news.
  
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  March 16, 2017 8:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Then he can follow the story on some of these Swedish papers mentioned within
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Uppsala_rape_Facebook_live_streaming_incident
    
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    March 16, 2017 8:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy Wassilieff, I would be intersted to know if you believe ,
      
      1. This behaveiour is typical of Muslim immigrants ?
      
      2. And do we see the same kind of behaveiour replicated in NZ by our Muslim community or say Canada and Australia ?
      
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      March 16, 2017 9:51am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Hi stephie.
        
        1. This behaveiour is typical of Muslim immigrants ?
        
        Yes, in Sweden and European countries like Germany, France, England that have embraced “diversity”.
        
        2. And do we see the same kind of behaveiour replicated in NZ by our Muslim community or say Canada and Australia ?
        
        Yes, some parts of Australia and Canada are hell hole no go zones. And it has started in NZ too.
        
        Hopefully that has answered your question.
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:26am
      - holysheet
        
        Not yet. Just wait until your numbers reach the numbers in Sweden and then we will find out. Be to late by then. These fuckwits cannot control themselves in a civilised society. They come from a cess pool society to a better one and yet want to act like they are still where they came from. Send the fuckers home, or better still, don’t import them in the first place.
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:27am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Why do want to know what I believe, stephieboy?
        Are you (or some agency) keeping a dossier on me?
        What does it matter to you what I believe?
        
        You can read all my works by googling my name…
        You can read all my KB thoughts by checking back through the archives.
        You could even ring me up, I’m in the phone book.
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:33am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        No Facebook profile though Maggy, stephie prefers to stalk from afar, don’t you Stephen?
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:57am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Australia: ~2.5% of population Muslim, but they are around 10% of prison population.
        
        No figures for religious affiliation of NZ prisoners, though we only have ~1% Muslim population.
        
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        March 16, 2017 2:29pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        UK: 4.8% Muslim, 14.4% of prison population.
        
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        March 16, 2017 2:43pm
- Manolo
  
  How many of these sexually-repressed beasts on the loose in Sweden?
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:16am
Happychappy

The media should be producing facts to why Nicky Kaye has launched a attack on Jacinda Ardern and why she has been the Glamour posting and Labours third game changer for the 2017 General Election. One of the statements made by the Labour deputy Leader was she had drafted a members bill that was better than any thing this Government had done in the time they have been in Government and she was proud and disappointed that she might not see it implemented.Well if you want to attack the Government you want to make sure you give the media the facts and apparently she hasn’t,so Nicky Kaye reply in Parliamentory Debate saying that she had worked for over a year with the Green Party member to make a Private Members bill and that Ardern had drafted a one line bill and sent it to the Law Commission to write the law for her. Nicky Kaye also went on to say about Jacinda flip flop on super when at the 2014 election going all out for Labour to have it agreed to and be Policy if they won the Election but now to go against it because now it is National s Policy.
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March 16, 2017 8:49am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  And she’s dropped the freaky Mrs Slocombe blue eye shadow at last.
  
  Still it’s a bit unfair picking on Jacinda like that – it’s not like Jacinda has a brain or anything to fight back with – hardly a fair fight. It’s as bad as the bullying done by a herd of angry, man-hating feminists picking on a couple of stupid WC boys.
  
  Neither Little Pony or the boys can fight back.
  
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  March 16, 2017 12:53pm
Swifty

Jut exactly what has occured recently between Labour aspirant Willie Jackson and ‘The Godfather of Crime’ Les Green? Was their an assault?
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March 16, 2017 8:49am
krazykiwi

The charts that show what Scotland thinks of Sturgeon’s independence plans as 57pc back the Union

The majority of Scottish voters wish to remain in the United Kingdom, despite Nicola Sturgeon’s latest demands for a Scottish referendum, according to the latest polling from YouGov.

Some 57 per cent of Scots would vote No in an independence referendum, according to the poll, although younger people aged 18-24 were overwhelmingly in favour of independence.
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March 16, 2017 8:50am
VicParking

I click the remember me box everytime I log in but it does nothing. I have to login everytime I come to this forum. Is KB trying to discourage me from participating? I’m losing interest fast.
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March 16, 2017 8:51am
- Lucia Maria
  
  KB automatically logs you off, as far as I can tell, after 24 hours. It’s a good way to lose comments if they are posted after the 24 hour period, but when you still think you are logged in, because your last refresh gave you access to a comment box.
  
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  March 16, 2017 10:37am
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11819182

“The 30-year-old, who identifies as transgender, was jailed for six years and nine months with a minimum non-parole period of four years ”

Imagine if a straight Male had stalked, then dragged a woman down an alleyway and raped her? Think he would only get four years??
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March 16, 2017 9:05am
- kowtow
  
  “Seu shook her head, covered her mouth with her hand and had a look of disbelief on her face as Phillips read some of the details of the offending.”
  
  Will “she” be sent to wimmins’ prison?
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:15am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Haven’t heard anything from ‘Rape Crisis’ on this. Maybe it doesn’t count unless you post on Facebook.
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:58am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    No comment required as we already know what Rape Crisis think about it.
    Victim was a guy so who cares and the offender was a ethnic transgender so by definition he must be vulnerable and the offence was only a reaction to the rejection and discrimination he has suffered by society.
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:37am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      In a toilet cubicle next to you. . . .
      
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      March 16, 2017 11:35am
Padriv Ustoev

I’m so confused.

Everyone is telling me Trump is Great Satan and hates Muslims. But then well respected Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who met Trump in person says he is true friend of Muslim.

Who do I believe Deputy Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman or whining limp wristed western liberals and Stephie?

I am much confused.

https://www.rt.com/news/380822-trump-saudi-muslim-friend/
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March 16, 2017 9:32am
- stephieboy
  
  Padrev Ustooev , the true litmus test. Are you a true friend of Islam ?.
  
  Never mind the President and don’t forget his and his country’s investments in the Islamic Gulf states and of course Saudi Arabia.
  
  LOL !
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:42am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Litmus test of what Stephanie?
    Do you even know how to use that idiom properly?
    
    Clown.
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:58am
- SGA
  
  lol – you’re not confused. You know perfectly well why a influential Saudi prince would say things like that about an incumbent US President.
  You were just trying to bait Stephieboy and you succeeded.
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:54am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Good trolling ain’t easy but it’s necessary.
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:01am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yeah, but by definition, anything that consciously (justified adverb!) trolls and stimulates stephieboy to leap into the fray is bad trolling.
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:06am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Look, in my culture bacon and drinking is haram, I had to give up smoking and sugar because in New Zealand that is haram.
        
        Baiting Stephanie is my only joy in life.
        
        That and Camel racing.
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:31am
      - SGA
        
        Baiting Stephanie is my only joy in life
        
        See, Kimbo, more evidence for the idea of assisted suicide.
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    SGA , just trying to alert ABS to some salient facts that complicate US relatiions in the ME incorrect idiom or not .
    
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    March 16, 2017 11:37am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Wouldn’t it be easier to reply to me and use my pseudonym if that were the case? I am not a mind reader stephie.
      
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      March 16, 2017 3:34pm
- virtualmark
  
  For “true friends” the photos from that meeting in the Oval Office look like the Prince & the President have just been asked to eat a dead rat wrapped in bacon.
  
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  March 16, 2017 10:16am
Michael

I reckon The Donald leaked that 2005 tax return because it was the “best” return he had in terms of him paying about the right tax. It would be interesting to see his tax returns from 2006 on.
I understand he didn’t have to pay any tax for quite a few years prior to 2005 because of an almost billion dollar loss earlier.

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/trumps-tax-documents-from-1995-reveal-he-lost-almost-a-billion-dollars.454853714/
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March 16, 2017 9:33am
- Inandout
  
  Wasn’t it Bob Jones who said he (Jones) paid little tax and could pay more?
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , I’m sure that sentiment would go down well with Trump’s blue collar voters in the Rust belt and elsewhere ?
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:55am
    - Inandout
      
      Better to have a job and pay tax than be on the dole heap.
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:19am
    - Manolo
      
      Absolutely. You ought to be a mug not to minimise your tax exposure. Absolutely legal.
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:48am
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo, if that is the case then Trump has every reason to release all his tax returns including those during his Presidencey ?
        
        Agreed ?
        
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        March 16, 2017 11:44am
- virtualmark
  
  Michael,
  
  Possible. But also possible it was leaked by someone in a bank that the Don had dealt with in 2006 (he’d have had to provide that form to them)
  
  The form that was released (Form 1040) is interesting, but it’s basically just the 2-page summary. It’s the supplementals that go with that Form 1040 that have the valuable information, like who owes what money to who.
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:52am
- virtualmark
  
  Michael,
  
  I recommend keeping an eye on http://www.taxhistory.org/www/website.nsf/web/presidentialtaxreturns
  
  It will be interesting to see if Trump publishes his tax returns for the years he is President. As you can see practically all previous Presidents have. But my pick is Trump won’t.
  
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  March 16, 2017 10:33am
  - Tirebiter
    
    Big time real-estate is a very shady business in the US. Lots of bribery, fraud, and bullying are part of their world. No surprise that a bit time real-estate magnate would want to keep a lot of his business secret.
    
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    March 16, 2017 11:11am
- Jack5
  
  Confusion everywhere, as always, about the difference between rational, moral, and legitimate tax avoidance and illegal, immoral tax evasion.
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:32am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , I think your confusion could well be cleared up if the President does the decent thing and follow what most of his predecessors have done.
    
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    March 16, 2017 11:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Nope, already I have heard an American NBC network hack describe as a “trick” the use of legal carry-forward tax provisions from a previous year.
      
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      March 16, 2017 4:12pm
calendar girl

The UK publicity given to the Whanganui River being granted ‘living entity’ status at law is just cringe-worthy embarrassing: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-39282918 .

As explained in legalistic terms by the Hon Chris Finlayson: “…it’s no stranger than family trusts, or companies or incorporated societies.”
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March 16, 2017 9:42am
- Kimbo
  
  Meh. The advantage of the Westminster constitutional system is that it is infinitely malleable to circumstances and culture. Hence we are ruled by the royal house of Windsor not Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, and why we still have a monarch, and Britain still has a House of Lords…who have laid aside their former powers, rather restrained by a legalistic codified constitution, with all the attendant political and legal nonsense.
  
  If the locals consider the Whanganui River a person in some way, and they were guaranteed their taonga under the Treaty of Waitangi, let ’em have it.
  
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  March 16, 2017 10:04am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    You forgot to mention the 96 million dollar payment.
    75 million dollars to the Iwi, a 20 million dollar fund and 1 million to enshrine this in law.
    
    Should we still “Let them have it”?
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:21am
    - Kimbo
      
      Welcome back ABS.
      
      Give us the details of the claim, the original and on-going events and time period that caused it, and not just the final settlement amount (which at face value seems different from granting the Whanganui River “legal personhood/living entity” status, and we are in a better position to have a fruitful discussion 😉
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:26am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Thanks Kimbo,
        You might have to wait until after work and football training today, I have a lot on.
        
        And that’s assuming I give a toss by then 😀
        
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        March 16, 2017 12:00pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No problem – mine, like yours as a throwaway thought/post 😉
        
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        March 16, 2017 12:24pm
  - Inandout
    
    The implications of being a person are widespread. Does the river have to register for GST, will the river be eligible for family support (it has 4 tributaries), and more importantly will flooding be regarded as wanton vandalism? National will bend over backwards to placate the river’s grievances.
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:24am
    - Kimbo
      
      From what I heard/understand, it is the same as the interests of a child that are represented in the family court.
      
      So, no, working on that basis, and giving my unqualified legal opinion
      
      it will not have to register for GST
      
      it will not be eligible for family support
      
      flooding will not be regarded as vandalism
      
      …and the River itself will not have grievances. However, its kaitiaki/guardians, the local iwi may. Which, considering the alleged level of pollution in many New Zealand waterways, may not be a bad thing
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:36am
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        Given the kaitiaki were some of the main participants in the near riot on the paddle steamer I recounted on GD yesterday I believe return of all plates and cutlery should have been part of the settlement.
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:44am
      - Kimbo
        
        Put in a claim to the Waitangi Tribunal as Ngati Pakeha of Mt Roskill, and take your chances 😉
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:51am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Good luck keeping the wanganui river locked in its cell if it commits a crime. ?
      
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      March 16, 2017 11:06am
- Jack5
  
  What a con!
  
  Here’s what the weasily Treaty Minister Finlayson said in his statement about the new “entity” for the W(h)anganui river:
  
  The legislation will establish a new legal framework for the Whanganui River, Te Awa Tupua, which recognises the river as an indivisible and living whole from the mountains to the sea. Te Awa Tupua will have its own legal identity with all the corresponding rights, duties and liabilities of a legal person.
  
  The legislation Te Awa Tupua (Whanganui River Claims Settlement Bill) includes this:
  
  Te Awa Tupua is an indivisible and living whole, comprising the Whanganui River from the mountains to the sea, incorporating all its physical and metaphysical elements.
  
  To ascribe human or corporate-equivalent status to a river is chicanery.
  
  Then we have clause 14, which includes:
  
  Te Awa Tupua is a legal person and has all the rights, powers, duties, and liabilities of a legal person.
  
  It’s bullshit by Finlayson, the man who as a lawyer negotiated the sweetheart settlement for Ngai Tahu then as Treaty Minister signed the top-up he had negotiated.
  
  My guess is it’s an illusion designed to:
  
  1. Impress traditional Maori. Finlayson is conning them that a Western law can encompass metaphysical elements.
  
  2. Show Maori, fellow lawyers, and ultra-liberal whites, how clever Finlayson is. A conjurer’s sense of pride.
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:51am
  - Fletch
    
    Funny how a river has all the rights of a person, yet not an unborn child.
    
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    March 16, 2017 3:37pm
    - GoVege
      
      “Unborn children ” do have rights.
      When an embryo or foetus or the young woman whose body it is in face the prospect of a harsh, painful life, then the state allows a very early mercy killing.
      
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      March 16, 2017 7:26pm
      - Fletch
        
        By that same logic we should allow the death penalty for prisoners we consider unable to be reformed. After all, it is just going to be a hard and boring life in prison and they have nothing to contribute. SO why not just kill them?
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:03pm
- GoVege
  
  If a river, which has no brain or nervous system, can be accorded the rights of a “person”….then shouldn’t animals, which do have a brain/nervous system and can feel pain/fear etc, (unlike a river), be accorded such rights also?
  
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  March 16, 2017 1:46pm
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    Careful, GoVege, you’re giving the animal rights folk people ideas. They will be thinking can we use the W(h)anganui River as a precedent?
    
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    March 16, 2017 2:09pm
Rich Prick

I think the Dutch will surprise themselves.
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March 16, 2017 10:17am
- Inandout
  
  The voting figures seem to point to status quo unfortunately.
  
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  March 16, 2017 10:27am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Only 1% counted at the moment.
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:37am
    - kowtow
      
      Media delightedly reporting Rutte to lead on exit polls.
      Will be interesting to see the proper final result.
      
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      March 16, 2017 10:51am
- virtualmark
  
  I expect there will be no clear result and it will take several weeks for a coalition to come together.
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:34am
  - Rich Prick
    
    It seems Labour won’t be playing a part. Implosion is the word, I believe.
    
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    March 16, 2017 11:46am
Manolo

The Dauphine, another idol and role-model for the liberals:
http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/324008-chelsea-clinton-fuels-speculation-of-political-run

When rumors started swirling after the election that Chelsea Clinton was considering her own foray into politics, it was met with eye rolls even from staunch supporters of the family.
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March 16, 2017 10:56am
Manolo

The new sultan and his minions are getting stroppy:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-expels-dutch-cows-amid-diplomatic-crisis-144746883.html

Turkey’s red meat association has ordered a consignment of prize Dutch cattle to be sent back to the Netherlands, saying it no longer wants to farm the cows due to the diplomatic crisis between the countries.
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March 16, 2017 11:10am
- GoVege
  
  That was a lucky reprieve for those Dutch girls….
  
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  March 16, 2017 1:53pm
Fletch

Paul Joseph Watson makes fun of the tax return fail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67fyu4lE2XE

“Trump told us we’d get tired of winning” *pauses and thinks* “Nope! Hasn’t happened yet!”.
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March 16, 2017 11:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Epic fail. Rachel Maddow would do better auditioning for the next Brady Bunch movie.
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:25am
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    RP
    
    Please no, the BB don’t deserve such a fate…
    
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    March 16, 2017 2:01pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , now sit back , take a deep breath , exhale and stop and think.
  
  Now imgaine for a moment if this was Hillary Clinton or the former Preident . Watson along with his mentor Alex Jones would be hatching all kinds of nefarious , sinister and stupid conspiracy theories .
  
  Of course without the weak humour.
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:52am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Would you like a tissue?
    
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    March 16, 2017 12:01pm
    - Garbageman
      
      No let the tears run freely it is still joyous to behold the TDS even after months of the usual suspects denigrating Trump pre-election and the daily posts snivelling over all things Trump I am still getting a great deal of amusement and I figure the cry babies have a lot more to give me yet
      
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      March 16, 2017 1:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Check out the progress of alt right’ s mascot Geert Wilder’s to date . .
        
        LOL
        
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        March 16, 2017 1:59pm
RRM

Greenpeace have bought shittiest old wooden motor launch available, to protest the seismic survey ship, and they want your help to name her!

Go to:
https://act.greenpeace.org/ea-action/action

(I have my doubts this old heap would even be sound enough to get out to where the seismic survey ship is operating – let alone be fast enough to intercept it. But hey, I guess eco-warrior dreams are free when you’re crowd-funding them right?)
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March 16, 2017 11:38am
- RRM
  
  Sorry, try this link:
  
  https://act.greenpeace.org/ea-action/action?ea.client.id=1939&ea.campaign.id=66382#.WMnCh6wjJkU.facebook
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:50am
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ve suggested “The Donald J”.
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:53am
  - rangitoto
    
    I suggested “Donald J Trump” with whitehouse@us.gov as the contact email.
    Someone called dean suggested:
    
    “slinky nonsinky”
    
    Which isn’t bad
    
    Just saw “greenie mcgreenface”
    
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    March 16, 2017 12:23pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    how about “Pondscum”
    
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    March 16, 2017 2:34pm
- RRM
  
  Friends of mine owned a boat like this once, it could do 7 knots or 13km/h on a good day with a tail wind, and even in the still waters of the Marlborough sounds they had to run the bilge pump every day to drain out all the water that constantly seeped in through and between the old wooden boards.
  
  If greenpeace take this POS out into open water it will be a farce… possibly a tragedy.
  
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  March 16, 2017 12:16pm
- realityczech
  
  I hope our Navy does its job and takes the required steps to protect the seismic survey ship from pirates.
  
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  March 16, 2017 12:32pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Great manoeuvre.
    The “sights” need ‘sighting in’
    
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    March 16, 2017 2:04pm
Happychappy

I am wondering what it must be like for Andrew Little to see all those hundreds of people that turn out to his meetings all round our Country that he mention in in leading the first debate after Question Time in Parliament yesterday. All these people that front him complaining about Housing, Health , Education, Crime and Unemployment that are the major issues for NZ today.So being as popular as Andrew is then surely he must have a couple of dozen Journalist following him as he is so sort after by the public to fix the inequality that happening in NZ at this present time. It is strange to see a Leader of the Opposition so popular with the people when only on 7% in the preferred PM Poll.
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March 16, 2017 11:54am
Captain Mainwaring

+HR=E (stupid logo) have a big problem with their 7pm slot.
I could handle Commo Campbell because I knew where he was coming from.
I quite liked ‘Story’ and it kept me away from Government TV.
But ‘Project’ is total crap, to the point where I now watch Seven Sharp, something I thought I would never do.
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March 16, 2017 12:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Is that all you do to fill the boring humongous gap in that ” bright sparkle ” of your life’s journey ?
  
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  March 16, 2017 12:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    Of all the trolls and quasi-trolls who have infested Kiwiblog in recent years, the Stephieboys Islamic troll team members are by far the most fatuous.
    
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    March 16, 2017 2:03pm
Lucia Maria

Ok, Trumpets, just in case you believe what was alleged on Fox News regarding how Obama was able to spy/wiretap/interfere with Trump’s microwave, by getting the British to do it, well…

British security official denies UK spy agency eavesdropped on Trump

The official, who is familiar with British government policy and security operations, told Reuters that the charge made on Tuesday by Fox News analyst Andrew Napolitano, was “totally untrue and quite frankly absurd.”

But, then, does truth really matter to you guys?
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March 16, 2017 12:12pm
- realityczech
  
  1. Obama was caught spying on Trump
  
  2. No evidence Trump was working with the “Russians”
  
  3. Trumps leaked tax records support what he had always said… prompting the vile Trump hating loons to turn around and suggest Trump leaked them LOL 🙂
  
  You demented conspiracy loons really are a piece of work. Severe measures should be taken to protect society from you.
  
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  March 16, 2017 12:29pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    1. Obama was caught spying on Trump
    
    What’s happened, is everyone except Trumpets think that Trump just makes things up. Including his accusations against Obama. It’s a classic case of the Emperor’s New Clothes.
    
    Now people like John Schindler are now confident enough of facts in the public domain to come out with articles like this one: Breaking: The Trump Tower Wiretapping Hoax Has Imploded
    
    2. No evidence Trump was working with the “Russians”
    
    There’s plenty of facts that warrant further investigation. The article I posted yesterday contains a few doozy links, which explains in part, why Trump fired Bharara after telling him last year he wanted him to stay on in the role: Ousted U.S. Prosecutor Bharara A Thorn In Russia’s Side For Years .
    
    3. Trumps leaked tax records support what he had always said… prompting the vile Trump hating loons to turn around and suggest Trump leaked them LOL ?
    
    I think that’s bullshit. Yes, it suits Trumpets that their overlord could be acting like an evil genius, but opportunism is everywhere. The idea was floated by people who have trouble believing how incompetent he is, and viola, he did it himself. While simultaneously looking for the leakers. Give me a break. Donald Trump is not that subtle.
    
    I can see why you are supporting the unreality around Trump – you are a wannabe in that realm. Unfortunately for you, you’re also transparent as glass to those of us who haven’t been dazzled by Trump and all his empty promises.
    
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    March 16, 2017 12:51pm
reid3

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-15/hannity-nukes-maddow-and-nbc-after-trump-tax-flop-%E2%80%93-calls-them-%E2%80%9Cdeep-state-obama-pro
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March 16, 2017 12:24pm
- stephieboy
  
  reid3 , it is the other returns prior and post that are of going interest.Will Trump oblige ?
  
  Now about this” Deep State” nonsense of yours ? Shades of that other lemon of yours , pizagate ?
  
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  March 16, 2017 12:34pm
stephieboy

Tsk , tsk ,tsk .. It appears to be that the darling of the Muslim bashers and bigots ,Geert Wilders , is trailing in the Dutch poll ,

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39285803
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March 16, 2017 12:31pm
- realityczech
  
  Is that because Geert has never called for Muslims to be bashed ?
  
  Notice how these Muslims move to Western countries and not Muslim ones. Why do you think that is stephieboy ?
  
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  March 16, 2017 12:37pm
  - stephieboy
    
    rc , liley the simiar reasons why migrants moved from Britain and Europe to the New World , Austalia and NZ .
    
    “..never called for Muslims to be bashed ?”
    
    Closing down Mosques etc ?
    
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    March 16, 2017 1:47pm
    - GoVege
      
      If the mosques weren’t involved in brainwashing nut jobs to go out and murder innocent people, nobody would be suggesting they be closed.
      
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      March 16, 2017 7:29pm
- GoVege
  
  It might not have helped his campaign that some guy involved in security gave out the planned venues to an Islamic group.
  
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  March 16, 2017 1:56pm
MT_Tinman

’tis the Ilford 2nd XI again at the Basin, this time without a champion at ‘t’other end.
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March 16, 2017 12:31pm
backster

I foretell that many more rivers will want to be considered people especially if Koha and water royalties become involved.
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March 16, 2017 12:37pm
SPC

When women got the vote, they were expected to compel men to abstain from drink by legislative action. Thus wet and dry zones, and limited licencing – encouraging the binge drinking culture.

More recently there has been an attempt to draw a connection between porn and crime (no such link in terms of porn availability and crime rates has been found) so the effort has moved on to the area of thought crime, where porn results in wrong attitudes towards women …

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/90413396/rosemary-mcleod-porn-and-violence-closely-linked-yet-we-react-as-if-this-is-a-novel-discovery

In the real world when there was little porn violence to women was tolerated (the right to discipline the wife, even rape her), nowadays in a porn saturated world it is not ….

Simply note the Moslem world of cover up or be raped to identify the difference.

Women free to dress as they choose have rights, free to work in porn etc have rights …
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March 16, 2017 1:09pm
Manolo

Better late than never, Kimbo mate: Golden Ratio: The story of Phi by Mario Livio.
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March 16, 2017 1:22pm
- SPC
  
  Phi-fi-fo-fum general rule of thumb – women look best around age 21.
  
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  March 16, 2017 3:22pm
Lucia Maria

How Humans Invented Numbers—And How Numbers Reshaped Our World

Counting is not natural, anthropologists have discovered by studying a primitive tribe.

As Everett writes in his new book, Numbers and the Making of Us, “Mathematical concepts are not wired into the human condition. They are learned, acquired through cultural and linguistic transmission. And if they are learned rather than inherited genetically, then it follows that they are not a component of the human mental hardware but are very much a part of our mental software—the feature of an app we ourselves have developed.”
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March 16, 2017 1:29pm
- SPC
  
  Probably began with polygamy.
  
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  March 16, 2017 1:34pm
- stephieboy
  
  Explains how the Maya discovered Zero independently from India .
  
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  March 16, 2017 1:41pm
- chiz
  
  Everett’s claim about the tribe are disputed by others who have studied them. His more general claim about numbers not being hardwired is also known, on multiple grounds, to be false.
  
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  March 16, 2017 2:10pm
Jack5

The murdering pedophile, tax-dodging business tycoon from within prison, and escaper to Brazil, Phillip John Smith, has won his case against the prisons service to be allowed to have a toupe or wig.

Our legal and justice system is well tilted in favour of criminals and their liberal, “blame it on society” friends.

How do we change it without a French style revolution?
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March 16, 2017 1:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , just learn to count to ten , hold your breath then deeply exhale .
  
  There fixed .
  
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  March 16, 2017 1:44pm
  - Jack5
    
    Good day, Stephie Z. Take you a long time in the madrassa to learn to count, did it?
    
    I hear they use the renewable virgins in Muslim after-life to help slow madrassa boys with this …
    
    If you slept with four of your virgins on the first day in paradise, two on the second day, and three a day for the rest of the week, how many would you have left to try out?
    
    It’s really hard for madrassa teachers to get into pupils (like you were) the concept of square root, though.
    
    “Does it mean you have to have a square willy?” the madrassa boys tend to ask.
    
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    March 16, 2017 1:48pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Drivel of the day !
      
      Keep it up.
      
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      March 16, 2017 1:55pm
      - Jack5
        
        Keep it up? Thinking of how you’ll get on in Paradise, Stephie Z?
        
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        March 16, 2017 2:13pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Only 26 more downticks required….
    
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    March 16, 2017 1:55pm
    - Jack5
      
      Only one downtick so far on your suggestion, Rightoverlabour. Must be only one Stephie on deck today. They have a strange roster. Must centre around prayers.
      
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      March 16, 2017 1:57pm
rightoverlabour

Idiot Judge
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/90507398/phillip-john-smith-wins-toupee-battle
“In my judgment a remedy is required in this case. An important right has been breached and the breach may be material.”

Yes I agree, there is a remedy required, hard labour. The right for his victim to live was breached and he should suffer the consequences for the rest of his life.

I suppose I’d get banned if I called the judge what I really think he should be called….
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March 16, 2017 1:54pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Perhaps Corrections should dye the wig a bright fluorescent orange before they give it back.
  
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  March 16, 2017 2:23pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    And then put him in a cell with that Williams bastard.
    
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    March 16, 2017 3:52pm
- kowtow
  
  It is ridiculous to argue that a prisoners’ right has been breached. For goodness sake his fundamental rights have been removed by the courts sending him to prison in the first place , I’d say that’s “material”.
  
  This human rights lark and the legal types buying into it defies common sense.
  
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  March 16, 2017 4:00pm
krazykiwi

This looks promising ….

Type 2 diabetes can be reversed in just four months, trial shows

Type 2 diabetes can be reversed in just four months by cutting calories, exercising and keeping glucose under control, a trial has shown.

Although the condition is considered to be chronic, requiring a lifetime of medication, Canadian researchers proved it was possible to restore insulin production for 40 per cent of patients.

The treatment plan involved creating a personalised exercise regime for each trial participant and reducing their calories by between 500 and 750 a day. The participants also met regularly with a nurse and dietician to track progress and continued to take medication and insulin to manage their blood sugar levels.

Type-2 diabeties is a growing burden on our health system. Anything that helps solve this problem is fantastic for sufferers, and tax-payers
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March 16, 2017 2:26pm
- SPC
  
  Now it is a known known rather than an unknown known – for some time various people having been claiming that this is the non drug related cure.
  
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  March 16, 2017 3:09pm
Manolo

Europe is lost to the barbarians:
A Turkish government minister said today that the country ‘should re-evaluate’ a landmark deal with the EU to curb the flow of migrants in response to an escalating crisis with the Netherlands, which barred Turkish ministers from holding rallies.

‘Turkey should re-evaluate the issue of land crossings’ under the March 18, 2016 migrant deal with the EU, Turkey’s EU Affairs Minister Omer Celik was quoted as saying by the state-run news agency Anadolu.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4308054/Turkey-warns-fascist-Holland-pay-price.html#ixzz4bS5sLOEn
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March 16, 2017 3:30pm
- SPC
  
  The EU should grow a pair and make border agreement between the EU and Turkey a condition for free trade with the EU.
  
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  March 16, 2017 4:10pm
Jack5

Economic growth has slipped in the fourth December, 2016) quarter.

GDP was down to 0.8 per cent for the three months, and GDP per capital fell 0.2 per cent.

http://stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/economic_indicators/GDP/GrossDomesticProduct_MRDec16qtr.aspx
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March 16, 2017 3:31pm
chiz

A poll on the neighbourly website has Raf Manji beating Brownlee slightly, and Labour easily. Admittedly, its only 95 votes.
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March 16, 2017 3:36pm
- Jack5
  
  Christchurch rates are rising.
  
  Councillors and council bureaucrats are killing any chance of the centre of city reviving as a business centre by instituting snail speed limits, by threatening to remove all street parking, and by orienting streets towards cyclists and pedestrians. They don’t give a stuff about central businesses and their employees, unless they are cyclists.
  
  The council seems intent on ethnic cleansing its great, Victorian botanical gardens with their magnificent specimens of trees native to scores of countries. Flax and monotone green native trees seem to be the preference.
  
  The council seems set on building a big central library edifice for the best part of $100 million when Christchurch people show they like suburban libraries, and when the rise of digital books may make redundant big, grandiose buildings for central libraries.
  
  The council is hanging on to full ownership of its assets like the port, rather than trying to leverage them for capital for the rebuild.
  
  The city has a plethora of pot holes that are wrecking wheels as well as suspensions.
  
  Raf Manji, as a councillor, hasn’t a snowball’s chance in hell of beating Gerry Brownlee for the Ilam Parliamentary seat.
  
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  March 16, 2017 3:50pm
  - chiz
    
    Maybe, maybe not. Labour don’t seem to take the electorate seriously. Their last few candidates have all been nobodies who don’t seem to have done any campaigning other than sticking circulars in people’s letterboxes. Gerry has at least campaigned – doing street corner meetings etc.
    
    This time around Labour have selected someone whose name seems slightly familiar but in a have-I-heard-of-him-before-or-am-I-Just-confusing-him-with-some-actor kind of way.
    
    I’m guessing that Manji will come second, or a close third.
    
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    March 16, 2017 4:25pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NShBMv84hF4
    
    MUSLIM CALL TO PRAYER DENMARK COPENHAGEN
    
    C.C.C. planner’s wet dream.
    
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    March 16, 2017 7:14pm
BananaLlama

Here’s my take on the Dutch elections.

A good showing for Geert Wilders increasing his position as the premier Nationalist party in the Netherlands. Both the Center right and Center left were given a serious hiding with the Dutch Labor party in particular suffering a sever mauling from left wing populist parties, most commentators seem to ignore this.

A good win overall for The Right in the Netherlands but no coup de grace delivered to the pro EU parties.
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March 16, 2017 3:57pm
- SPC
  
  Labour suffered by association with the governing coalition and austerity policies – thus other left wing parties gained in support.
  
  For the same reason Rutte’s ruling party also lost support.
  
  The dye my hair blonde Geert’s 19 seats out of 150 mean he is irrelevant and thus lost the biggest of all. That was suppose to be their one chance.
  
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  March 16, 2017 4:06pm
  - GoVege
    
    Whats wrong with fellas dyeing their hair?
    It looks white on the cover of this week’s Time anyway.
    All those Islamists paradise-bent on murdering the poor dude probably turned it white prematurely.
    Hopefully now he has increased his share of the vote, his round-the-clock armed guard will be increased.
    Long may you survive religious intolerance Geert.
    
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    March 16, 2017 6:41pm
- MCos
  
  Two weeks ago the Freedom Party was leading in a number of opinion polls with up around 24 to 29 seats.
  A provisional final tally of 19 is hardly a win.
  
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  March 16, 2017 4:39pm
  - SPC
    
    19 is OK if you are a centrist party seeking a place in coalitions, but marginal for an outlier party with no partners.
    
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    March 16, 2017 4:46pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Yeah yeah polls say alot of things these days.
    
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    March 16, 2017 5:13pm
SPC

Moslems to be largest religious group this century.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/02/27/muslims-and-islam-key-findings-in-the-u-s-and-around-the-world/
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March 16, 2017 4:02pm
Jack5

The Royal Marine sergeant who was jailed for murder because he killed a wounded Taliban, has had his conviction quashed and reduced to manslaughter.

Now Sergeant Blackman’s supporters are waiting to hear what will happen to his sentence.

This shameful treatment of an overworked war veteran, like the hounding of British Iraq war veterans, including marines, is an indictment of the peacenik culture that has set into the British civil service.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4318020/Sergeant-Blackman-cleared-thanks-Mail-readers.html
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March 16, 2017 4:21pm
- kowtow
  
  The UK Establishment is a traitor to ordinary Brits.
  Here’s the case of the police and CPS putting an 83 year old farmer on charges for shooting a POS burglar.
  Took only 24 minutes for the jury to acquit.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4313220/Farmer-83-cleared-shooting-intruder-wants-guns-back.html
  
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  March 16, 2017 5:23pm
  - GoVege
    
    They’re pretty harsh on 85 year old dirty old men also….
    “Tie me kangaroo down, sport…”
    
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    March 16, 2017 6:35pm
krazykiwi

Dutch election. At 93.5% of votes counted, Rutte’s VVD to win 33 seats, Wilders’ PVV 20 seats, V66 and CDA tie for 19.

Labor (the main coalition party) on target for 9 seats, down from 38.. a total spanking.

The other thing I noticed was the notoriously accurate Dutch exit polls initially had Wilders’ at 18 seats, but he looks to take 20, up from 15 in 2012.
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March 16, 2017 4:47pm
- krazykiwi
  
  The big winner – and now the largest party of the Dutch left for the first time – was GreenLeft, headed by 30-year-old Jesse Klaver, hailed by his enthusiastic supporters as the “Jessiah”.
  
  The party – formed 25 years ago by a merger of communists, pacifists, evangelicals and self-styled radicals – looks set to quadruple its MPs from four to 16 after a storming campaign by Klaver.
  
  Now that is a hydra!
  
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  March 16, 2017 5:03pm
- kowtow
  
  The media are claiming it’s a victory to Rutte and reporting all the congrats from other European leaders who were shitting themselves.
  
  Rutte has lost seats from 41 to 33 .His governing coalition partner is all but wiped out , whil;e Wilders’ is now the second largest party in parliament and increased seats from 15 to 20.
  
  The electorate have short memories , at the height of the so called migrant crisis in 2016 polls indicate he’d have cleaned up. It won’t be long before another Muslim crisis comes along. It’ll be interesting to see if the Euro elites are still keen on Turkish membership . Mind you Europe deserves what it gets from here on in,they’ve had their chance to reject the Turk etc but seem not to be bothered.
  
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  March 16, 2017 5:31pm
- krazykiwi
  
  Rutte’s likely coalition is going to be a total train wreck. Labor have been gutted, meaning he could be forced to make concessions literally left, right and centre to form a government.
  
  Writing for RTL Z, Roderick Veelo cautions against assumptions that the populist far-right is over:
  
  Responsibility – the willingness to steer the country through difficult times – seems to be the Achilles heel of the PVV [Geert Wilders’ Freedom party] … Wilders’ lack of responsibility broke into the campaign on the final weekend with the diplomatic row with Turkey. With perhaps the most energetic move of his career, Rutte put Wilders in checkmate.
  
  Rutte showed courage and leadership in a very difficult matter of national importance, and for potential PVV voters became a better choice than Wilders … Rutte is still standing, but so too is the social discontent about uncontrolled immigration, failed integration and the power of Brussels.
  
  This dissatisfaction is not going away. The broad coalition that will govern this country soon must show responsibility and courage on these subjects and go to work with real solutions. Only when that happens will the populist revolt die a quiet death.
  
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  March 16, 2017 6:41pm
nasska

Looks like the Dutch have squandered their last chance to take back their country.

It’ll be downhill on roller skates from this point.
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March 16, 2017 5:16pm
- Manolo
  
  The Muslims must be celebrating (so is Angela Merkel.)
  
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  March 16, 2017 5:30pm
- GoVege
  
  Don’t think so, nasska.
  Rutte only got back in coz he got tough on the Allah-bothered, and Wilders is not far behind.
  Together they will save the Netherlands from psycho religions!
  
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  March 16, 2017 6:31pm
  - nasska
    
    I hope you’re right GoVege. I understand that general Elections are held every four years & I don’t think the Netherlands as it is now will last that long.
    
    It’s tragic to watch a civilised country undone as a result of unfettered immigration.
    
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    March 16, 2017 6:45pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Last election was 2012, so looks like one every five years. I don’t think the likely coalition government will last that long.
      
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      March 16, 2017 6:49pm
JasonJohns

Massive fraud in Holland.

And in the US a Hawaii judge blocks Trump’s order on immigration.

Trump and Wilders might decide it’s time to circumvent the rotten political system and wield power directly. Trump could declare a national emergency, tip the RINOs out of Congress and the courts. Wilders could appeal to Holland’s army to intervene and save the country.
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March 16, 2017 5:24pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Hawaii. Your dog has to have a clearance to enter Hawaii, but vetting those from Muslim Countrys is unfair?
  Get a life. Want to see an exchange Uni student driving an ice cream truck into the crowds at Waikiki Beach? I don’t think so Tim
  
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  March 16, 2017 5:44pm
- Tirebiter
  
  You have an interesting concept of democracy.
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:44am
realityczech

Trump Budget Could Cut Federal Bureaucrats by Highest Levels Since End of World War Two

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/13/trump-budget-could-cut-federal-bureaucrats-by-highest-levels-since-end-of-world-war-two/

He has also saved around 1.5 Trillion dollars, while improving medical care and social security. Compare that with the appalling mess Obama created.
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March 16, 2017 5:53pm
Tom Barker

Warmest congratulations to the 80-odd percent of the Dutch electorate which rejected the crude and vicious xenophobia of Geert Wilders. Since no other party sensibly, will enter a coalition with a ludicrous convicted racist, it looks like it’s back to posturing on the sidelines for Blondie.
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March 16, 2017 6:05pm
- realityczech
  
  The Dutch just need a little more of hateful divisive and intolerant lefties like you. Then they will come “right”.
  
  The same thing happened in the US when they voted in the filthy dirty beast Obama. Look where they are now.
  
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  March 16, 2017 6:13pm
- kowtow
  
  Second largest party in parliament with 20 seats .
  
  There are still some sane Dutch folk about.
  
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  March 16, 2017 6:18pm
- Jack5
  
  I see from Reuters that, with about half the votes counted, Rutte’s party is projected to win 32 of the Netherlands’ 150 seats, down from 41 at the last vote in 2012.
  
  Rutte’s junior partner in the outgoing coalition, Labour, suffered its worst ever result, winning just nine seats, down from 38 last time.
  
  Wilders’s Party for Freedom (PVV) is projected to increase its seats to 19 from 15 in 2012
  
  http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-netherlands-election-idUKKBN16K2FA
  
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  March 16, 2017 6:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  Dutch Liabore down 29.
  VVD down 9.
  Freedom party (Wilders) up 6.
  Wilders’ party now has the second highest number of seats.
  
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  March 16, 2017 6:22pm
- GoVege
  
  Wilders is “crude and vicious”?
  Hate to think what to call the thousands of b*stards trying to kill him.
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:17pm
- EAD
  
  The weak showing for Wilders after the free propaganda the Turks have given him makes the Austrian presidential elections seem as pure as snow.
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:31pm
  - BananaLlama
    
    Maybe. It seemed to bolster the ruling right wing party right before the elections though didn’t it. Very convenient timing.
    
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    March 16, 2017 7:48pm
reid3

“I do not buy the notion that history repeats or even rhymes. Instead, I am far more partial to the aphorism attributed to Nixon era economist and philosopher, Herb Stein, who said that any trend which is unsustainable tends to stop.

What is stopping, more or less today, is the 30-year aberration of financial policy that began during the October 1987 stock market meltdown. During the ensuing panic is when the lapsed goldbug, Alan Greenspan, discovered the printing press in the basement of the Eccles Building. Thereafter he deployed it aggressively to defeat free market capitalism. What basically happened was that the laws of economics were suspended until further notice. But the trend that is now coming to its appointed stop.

That notice is now being given by both the fiscal and monetary branches of the state. That is to say, the Fed is not merely raising rates belatedly by 25 basis points today; it’s also signalling that the insane run of balance sheet expansion is over and done.

Likewise, at the end of business today, the public debt limit freezes in at the cusp of $20 trillion. The fact that the Fed’s printing press is on idle and the fiscal procedures of the Imperial City are approaching paralysis and chaos means that the era of free fiscal lunches is coming to a close, as well.

It’s not going to be easy to get a majority to raise the debt ceiling by anything near what the market is expecting today. Among other things that means that Donald Trump can’t be the second coming of Ronald Reagan- even as he advocates a worse brew of tax cutting, defense spending and domestic largesse than the Gipper even remotely imagined.

Today’s circumstances compare in no way to where we were in 1981 when my old boss Ronald Reagan took office. I had the role of budget director at that time.

We’re in a fiscal trap much deeper than 1981 or even 2000 or 2008. By fiscal trap I mean $20 trillion of debt. We’ve got 15 trillion more in the pipeline for the next 10 years if you look at it honestly and soberly, adding to the national debt based on policy that’s built in today. That’s before one dime of stimulus, infrastructure spending, tax cuts, or anything else Trump is talking about.

Therefore, to look at Trump as the second coming of Ronald Reagan, that there’s going to be a huge tax cut, that the economy is going to take off within a short period of time is fantasy. None of that will happen. We’re not going to get a huge fiscal stimulus.

We’re going to get a fiscal bloodbath that will basically shut the system down, create a massive breakdown of confidence in the markets, and therefore, the bond bubble, the stock bubble, and everything else. It will all come tumbling down in 2017.

I believe the Fed is out of dry powder to reinflate the bubble this time around. And no bail out will be coming when this bubble collapses. Everyone is putting great hope that the baton will be handed off to the fiscal authorities. But it won’t happen. Reagan and Greenspan sowed the wind; the hapless and clueless Donald Trump will be soon be reaping the whirlwind.

As of March 10, the U.S. Treasury was down to just $30 billion of cash- compared to the $382 billion hoard Trump inherited on January 20. That means it has burned through $350 billion of cash in just 50 days- or $7 billion per day counting weekends and Valentines Day! Indeed, it puts you in mind of how Earnest Hemingway’s character famously described his route to bankruptcy. That is, it came slowly at first, and then all of a sudden.

The Fed is rising rates in the face of a 0.9% first quarter growth forecast from the Fed’s Atlanta branch. st 0.9 percent. If that projection turns out to be accurate, this will be the weakest quarter of economic growth during which rates were hiked in 37 years.

Still think the Deep State isn’t after Trump?

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/03/12-reasons-why-the-federal-reserve-may-have-just-made-the-biggest-economic-mistake-since-the-last-financial-crisis-3489612.html

You don’t want to pay attention to the stock market to forecast a crash, you want to look at the bond market, which always precedes it.

http://wolfstreet.com/2017/03/13/bond-carnage-rising-mortgage-rates-hit-housing-bubble-2/

and finally:

https://dailyreckoning.com/countdown-to-crisis/

Sheeple I’ve observed, are remakably stupid creatures. They’re so fucking dumb, the only people they listen to on what’s going to happen in the markets, are the very same people who failed to tell them anything prior to 1987, Dot-bomb and the GFC. Aren’t sheeple stupid.
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March 16, 2017 6:38pm
- reid3
  
  The saving grace in all of this is that Trump is, guess what – a bankruptcy specialist.
  
  That’s right.
  
  So when the Deep State do what they’re already doing and crash the economy and start all the Purple Revolution riots, destruction and death fronted by the Organiser in Chief aka Obongo but really he’s a puppet, that’s when we get to see whether Trump really is who he says he is or whether he’s just another plant, a pseudo opposition emplaced so the idiot sheeple don’t wake up and realise the obvious-to-some fact: we’re all ruled by evil psychopaths.
  
  Because if he really is who he says he is, and I hope he is, then who better to have as the POTUS to re-negotiate the debt position and, if not get us back on an even keel, at least use the bargaining chips he has left to get us the best deal possible under the circumstances.
  
  But of course, the sheeple continue to look at the Dow, watch fake news telling them Wussia is a weally weally gweat big meanie, but here’s some fascinating celeb pap so you can take your mind elsewhere, just in case you do start to use it.
  
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  March 16, 2017 6:54pm
- realityczech
  
  Nobody is allowed near the levers of power in the USA unless they have an approved view of Israel.
  
  Trump is not an interventionist, but may be the president that attacks Iran and starts world war 3.
  
  Mind you, it really started under Obama when you see the sheer numbers of countries attacked under his regime.
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:07pm
  - reid3
    
    “I still have not seen one iota of hard evidence that Trump intends to do anything crazy. The deal with Kushner is obviously that the United States won’t be forced into more ruinous Wars For The Jews as long as the settlers get their way with the Palestinians, with the consequences of the Apartheid State left to World Jewry.”
    
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    March 16, 2017 7:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      reid, The ground work is already done with the destruction of Syria, Egypt, Libya, Iraq, and the marginalisation of Russia.
      
      The unquestioning sheeple have already been told Iran is a serious threat.
      
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      March 16, 2017 7:24pm
      - reid3
        
        Seven countries in five years
        
        The unquestioning sheeple have already been told Iran is a serious threat.
        
        Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over.
        
        The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly and with unflagging attention. It must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over. Here, as so often in this world, persistence is the first and most important requirement for success.
        
        “War Propaganda”, in volume 1, chapter 6 of Mein Kampf (1925), by Adolf Hitler
        
        “Of course the people don’t want war. But after all, it’s the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it’s always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it’s a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger.”
        
        Hermann Göring
        
        Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
        
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        March 16, 2017 7:42pm
      - realityczech
        
        Well enough from me on this… over to Hillary
        
        The best way to help Israel deal with Iran’s growing nuclear capability is to help the people of
        Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad.
        
        Negotiations to limit Iran’s nuclear program will not solve Israel’s security dilemma. Nor will
        they stop Iran from improving the crucial part of any nuclear weapons program — the capability
        
        https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328
        
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        March 16, 2017 7:51pm
      - reid3
        
        Yes imagine if the world had been lucky enough to get her in the big chair. Wouldn’t we be lookin lucky, right about now…
        
        Still, she’s dying, as is Bill.
        
        What’s your mileage rc on: when Hillary developed her health problems they switched horses?
        
        Everything’s possible, the sheeple don’t think so but we know it is.
        
        What’s your current mileage on that?
        
        Seriously.
        
        To the sheeple: I used bold on current to emphasize all predictions/analyses are current state and new data changes things day by day. This is what morons didn’t understand about EAD’s crash predictions which were perfectly reasonable based on compares to previous vs current financials at the time he made them. What EAD failed to take into account is the political machinations which are necessarily unpredictable, because they’re not based on reality they’re based on human manipulation of reality, which is unpredictable.
        
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        March 16, 2017 8:06pm
      - realityczech
        
        I believe all people who make it to that stage of the election process have been vetted to ensure no major deviation from the main goals.
        
        They may have to settle for a little less death and destruction with Trump, but Iran is still on the cards.
        
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        March 16, 2017 8:12pm
    - reid3
      
      I agree at this moment it looks like that.
      
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      March 16, 2017 8:23pm
      - realityczech
        
        reid, what do you make of this series of happy coincidences ?
        
        1. Key, who is celebrated as a Jewish leader in Israel, is summonsed to the seat of financial and political power of Israel. New York.
        
        2. He returns home and resigns while more popular than ever, for no particular reason.
        
        3. Israel declares war on NZ, for supporting the UN notion that attacking and invading other countries is not okay.
        
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        March 16, 2017 8:34pm
      - reid3
        
        Yeah I have wondered if that was it rc because he would have known it was in the works. The story is the UK only asked NZ to step in after whatever African nation declined to sponsor, but you don’t do that in the diplomatic world unless there’s been lots of talks, lots of pre-wiring. Do you have evidence/details of the summons to NY?
        
        I’m quite worried for NZ frankly, given what we both know the bastards are wont to do and capable of when some country doesn’t fall into line with them, like we didn’t.
        
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        March 16, 2017 8:50pm
      - realityczech
        
        No, summons – was me being a stirrer. He “went” to New York.
        
        There was a spin story on it right here on KB.
        
        Key says he made the final decision after a trip to New York last September
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/key_on_his_resignation.html
        
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        March 16, 2017 8:59pm
stigie

And the sheeple go Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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March 16, 2017 6:57pm
- reid3
  
  They certainly do stigie.
  
  Over and over and over and over again.
  
  Again and again and again and again.
  
  You’d think they’d get sick of it wouldn’t you.
  
  But as life shows us, they don’t.
  
  Aren’t sheeple somewhat less than erudite.
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:13pm
krazykiwi

Gotta love the poor ‘ol UK Guardian. I’ve just been over there, and a bright pink footer ad is boldly imploring:

For less than the price of a coffee a week, you could help secure the Guardian’s future. Support our journalism for $7/month. Become a supporter->

Firstly I’d rather have coffee than the Guardian. Actually I’d put up with really, really bad coffee instead of the Guardian. Or a root canal. Or a meal with Trev.

Further, it’s not really ‘journalism’. More a re-hashing of various left-leaning / activist press-releases.

They need ideological ‘supporters’ because discerning subscribers have been leaving in droves.

Tough times. At last.
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March 16, 2017 7:03pm
- GoVege
  
  B/S KK.
  They’re just too cheap to pay for it when they can get it for free.
  I’m thinking of signing up myself…
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:14pm
- SGA
  
  krazykiwi
  
  Gotta love the poor ‘ol UK Guardian. I’ve just been over there, …
  Firstly I’d rather have coffee than the Guardian. Actually I’d put up with really, really bad coffee instead of the Guardian. Or a root canal.
  
  So why do you go there? Odd.
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:36pm
  - krazykiwi
    
    Google took me there. I feel unclean.
    
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    March 16, 2017 10:33pm
dirty harry

Read and weep

http://1law4all.kiwi.nz/2017/03/16/getting-the-message-through/
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March 16, 2017 7:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Great article.
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:13pm
Manolo

Putting pressure on the FBI:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-idUSKBN16M1XA?il=0
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March 16, 2017 7:44pm
- realityczech
  
  Why can no one tell me what it was that Russia actually did to help the Republicans ?
  
  Is that because it showed the corruption of the Hillary and Obama regimes ?
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:48pm
  - reid3
    
    No it’s because most people believe what they want to believe and they don’t know that “what they want to believe” is actually setup for them by endlessly repeated memes.
    
    So long as those come from “sources they trust” then no matter how outrageous is the meme, it will emded itself in their sub-consciousness and they will make it their own, as if they had the original thought.
    
    That’s why they nod: “that’s right” when “the person they invite into their living rooms” at 6:00 says something that matches their embedded memes.
    
    Not rocket science.
    
    The reason people hate the MSM and don’t nod anymore like they used to, is because to portray the actual world using the appointed memes has become so unreal, it’s unpossible, so one by one, the sheeple are recognising it’s not the truth. It never was, but they’re desperately clinging to the good old days, as the interweb smashes their reality zone, piece by piece.
    
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    March 16, 2017 8:38pm
    - EAD
      
      Indeed Reid,
      
      As Bertrand Russell said – “most people would rather die than think for themselves”
      
      I encountered a “reality czech” (see what I did there 🙂 ) on this fact of nature this morning on the Key thread.
      
      No matter how glaringly obvious to all how flawed Key was, most “right wing” people refuse to see it. Only Emmanuel Goldstein (i.e. Labour) are deserving of 2 minutes of hate.
      
      I would expect that even if the Jewish Bolsheviks seized power in NZ, as long as they were wearing a blue rosette, the “give me the right wing party or death” folk on here would still be cheering them on as they shipped them off to the Gulag.
      
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      March 16, 2017 8:54pm
      - reid3
        
        Have you noticed the sheeple here are amongst the most resistent?
        
        They refuse to change, even as reality after reality crashes into them.
        
        They treat conservativism as their bedrock, inculcated into their soul.
        
        Much more powerful than lefties, who are more inclined to break away when the cockroaches are exposed to their minds.
        
        I wonder if it has to do with heart vs mind. Once a person recognises the dissonance they suffer under they come into conflict, and real lefties, genuine not puppet lefties, reach for the heart, whereas conservatives reach for the mind when it arises, as do fake lefties (because that’s where fake lefties were based all the time and it’s where real conservatives always [think] they’re based).
        
        And it’s when the mind wins and becomes free but with the heart intact, you get people like us. But when one or the other wins but dominates or even destroys the other, you get the sheeple.
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:10pm
      - realityczech
        
        The whole idea of supporting something simply to fit in with the left/right is the problem.
        
        Each issue should be assessed on its merits, divorced from group think.
        
        I am a bleeding heart lefty on some issues, and to the right of Vlad the Impaler on others.
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:15pm
      - reid3
        
        Left and right are metaphors for heart and mind rc. That’s why they invented the political dynamic.
        
        Same here re bleeding heart and Vlad.
        
        I also have the capacity to look at the most appalling tragedies without feeling a thing. OTOH a kitten up a tree can make me cry.
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:18pm
      - reid3
        
        That’s probably why all three of us see straight through the Jewish victimhood bullshit. Because we see it with our minds not our hearts.
        
        Therefore we see straight through it.
        
        Cogito ergo bullshit ahead sum
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:29pm
      - realityczech
        
        Yes and look at the response that gets. The usual unimaginative memes about Nazis etc. It is all very tiresome, but alarming.
        
        I am pretty sure none of us want anyone marginalised or harmed. In fact we are arguing for the opposite.
        
        Extremists exist on both sides and it is they who are the problem. They are enabled by sheeple.
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:35pm
      - EAD
        
        The reason people attach themselves so passionately to a “left” or a “right” team is because their most natural loyalties have been relentlessly beaten out of them day after day, month after month, year after year, decade after decade.
        
        Humans are simple creatures – at our deepest level, we want a sense of belonging and to be part of something bigger. As we’re told all of the white race is the root of all evils and we should feel no solidarity at all because “race is just a construct”, people go looking for belonging as part of a political tribe. Instead of supporting their brethren through thick and thin, we witness people willing to die in a ditch to support “their team” (PS: that is why our rulers promote sport so heavily as an outlet for tribal passion – it’s OK to have loyalty to Corporate machines like the All Blacks, Manchester United or the Detroit Cowboys)
        
        Initially, Marx & his fellow Jews started to split us up by creating division between “the proletariat” and “the bourgeois”. As time progressed, we then had ~~Bettye Naomi Goldstein~~ Betty Friedan and the Feminine Mystique along with the likes of Freud promote division between the sexes. Central banking created division between the generations while those behind mass immigration created division not just between races but within as well. No we are onto even more absurd forms of division like transgenderism and such nonsense…. all because showing any affinity with ones race is the most evil thing in the world – so called RACISM
        
        Meanwhile, flicking across the the Jewish Chronicle, all I read about is stories from the diaspora with hardly a mention of starving Africans or pitiful refugees wanting to move somewhere else.
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:37pm
      - realityczech
        
        “race is just a construct”
        
        That absurd claim is always made by those obsessed by racism.
        
        They don’t even believe it themselves.
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:45pm
      - reid3
        
        Fruitful discussion, but perhaps we should adjourn and reconvene perhaps some day on the weekend and discuss amongst a wider audience, because while they may not like it, they need to hear it, even if they don’t think they do.
        
        Let’s hope stephie and mm read this and form a protest movement in response.
        
        Lurking in the shadows…
        
        ready to pounce.
        
        Fuck they’re funny.
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:51pm
      - EAD
        
        They don’t even believe it themselves
        
        Indeed, they will even make you take a blood test to ensure that only fellow tribe members are able to move to the Holy land:
        
        http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/
        
        Any white person who wants for whites what Jews have in Israel will have the ADL coming after them and calling them Nazis and Haters.
        
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        March 16, 2017 9:56pm
      - EAD
        
        Fruitful discussion, but perhaps we should adjourn and reconvene perhaps some day on the weekend and discuss amongst a wider audience, because while they may not like it, they need to hear it, even if they don’t think they do.
        
        Indeed Reid – I could tell you the outcome already because what the politically correct (and this includes the cucked right) bloggers on herereally hate is to be drawn into rational debate. This is because their ideological positions are in essence literally fantastic.
        
        They know this at one level in the same way that religious believers know it, that is, they realise their ideology will not stand up to scrutiny.
        
        Moreover, as representatives of the politically correct control the media, the politically correct are rarely called upon to defend their position against sustained argument. This means they lack practice in rebutting factual, logical and rational criticisms of their ideology.
        
        The blogger “mandk” if you’ve come across him is perhaps the worst. As soon as I’ve got him up against the ropes, out comes the usual “anti-Semite”, “hater” words.
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:02pm
- realityczech
  
  [cough]
  
  The best way to help Israel deal with Iran’s growing nuclear capability is to help the people of
  Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad.
  
  Negotiations to limit Iran’s nuclear program will not solve Israel’s security dilemma. Nor will
  they stop Iran from improving the crucial part of any nuclear weapons program — the capability
  
  https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328
  
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  March 16, 2017 7:52pm
  - dad4justice
    
    I thought you were banned Kea?
    
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    March 16, 2017 9:49pm
    - realityczech
      
      Last night it was “trap door” [sic]
      
      How is the hormone treatment going you old pervert, boobs a bit tender tonight ?
      
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      March 16, 2017 9:51pm
      - stigie
        
        Is there a transformation going on that we don’t know about..?
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:00pm
      - realityczech
        
        stigie, yes you missed it last night, so I will fill you in on the important details.
        
        1. dad4justice court ordered therapist diagnosed his anger issues as being caused by gender identity disorder (GID)
        
        2. dad4justice broke down and admitted he felt like a woman trapped in a weedy pale little mans body.
        
        3. He is now booked in for taxpayer funded gender reassignment.
        
        The hormone treatments make him a bit grumpy so try not to upset him during this transition 🙂
        
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        March 16, 2017 10:06pm
Inandout

Donald Trump is going to upset the pharmaceuticals if he brings in bidding for drugs used in his new Obamacare. He said drugs in Europe were a fraction of what Americans pay. Tread very carefully President Trump, big pharma can play nasty.
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March 16, 2017 9:22pm
- reid3
  
  He’s a negotiator. Drug prices are unreasonable compared to Canada. What he should do of course is look at our model, then he’d do Canadians like a dinner. Some of the celebs who left after he was elected might even want to come back.
  
  Of course Big Pharma would have an issue, but hopefully his lobbying killzone will deal to most of those bastards.
  
  Note I said hopefully not expectedly.
  
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  March 16, 2017 9:26pm
- Tirebiter
  
  Not to worry, it is currently illegal in the US to negotiate drug prices for medicare and medicaid – thanks to the congress doing favors for their campaign financiers in the pharmaceutical business. Political funding in the US amounts to little more than legalized bribery. Why be surprised that the recipients of the bribes actually do something to earn them?
  
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  March 17, 2017 2:54am
Jack5

Night owl mistake: an hour or so ago I posted this on yesterday’s General debate thread by mistake …

John Campbell, on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme, is in a lather about cage-free eggs in supermarkets.

Here’s a take on organic eggs, which I guess is what free-range eggs are… (Some of you will have enjoyed this before.)

https://youtu.be/GOu9YbMw2qk
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March 16, 2017 10:58pm
Jack5

“Champferty” that’s a new legal word to most of us.

It is, or is alleged to be, part of a case seeking up to a billion dollars against the NZ arm of the international accounting firm PwC.

It arises from the corpse of controversial Christchurch property developer David Henderson’s group of companies that went bust.
A firm seems to have bought into the row, financing lawyers in return for a share of the possible settlement.

David Henderson is a pal of Rodney Hide, and was a helpful friend of the ACT Party in Christchurch.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11819724
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- Jack5
  
  The company that bought into the action in which PwC is caught, SPF No 10, is owned ultimately by BG Litigation Ltd, which in turn is owned by Aucklander Phillip Samuel Newland.
  
  Bruce Sheppard, the Auckland accountant who until fairly recently was well known as a shareholder advocate, is a director of LPF Group Ltd, which is owned by BG Litigation and in turn owns SPF No 10.
  
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  March 16, 2017 11:54pm
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    An article from the Hooerald in 2010 gives some of the background of Phillip Newland. The report says Eric Watson recruited Newland in America.
    
    It includes this:
    
    Watson had headhunted Newland, a lawyer and investment company manager, from New York in 2000 to manage his real estate portfolio, but after the tech wreck he appointed Newland in 2001 to run Cullen, the umbrella company for his many investments. Among Newland’s tasks was improving the governance of Watson’s companies, which had earned something of a wild west tag.
    
    The Hooerald article:
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10675754
    
    And an article by Newland, with some information about litigation funding:
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11558981
    
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    March 17, 2017 12:05am
Manolo

Could you imagine this happening to the messiah?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4320398/McDonald-s-fires-insults-Donald-Trump-Twitter.html
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