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virtualmark

The ninth in our occasional series of great quotes from US Presidents.

This time it’s the Donald! From “The Art of the Deal”:

”You can’t con people, at least not for long. You can create excitement, you can do wonderful promotion and get all kinds of press, and you can throw in a little hyperbole. But if you don’t deliver the goods, people will catch on.”
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March 13, 2017 8:02am
- Lucia Maria
  
  What a fantastic place to put a link up to this article, then!
  
  McCain to Trump: Retract wiretapping claim or prove it
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:42am
  - Lance
    
    But Lucia……………………….
    The Don can do no wrong, he has said it therefore it is so.
    Only unbelievers, sodomites and pinkos say otherwise
    All worship the mighty Don
    
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    March 13, 2017 8:53am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      What I find fascinating is the sheer number of downticks our comments are eliciting. I’m beginning to believe some of the downticks are from people with multiple accounts, with the intent of making dissenters feel like they are outnumbered.
      
      I could be wrong, of course. Unless the down-tickers show who they are by posting comments, I’m beginning to believe this is a real possibility. It’s not just the easily lead who are offended by our slagging off the Don.
      
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      March 13, 2017 9:25am
      - G152
        
        Just maybe the downticks are an example of that freedom of speech you demand ???
        People can’t be bothered reading negative posts
        
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        March 13, 2017 9:30am
      - virtualmark
        
        Lucia,
        
        There’s a big contingent of Trumpkins on Kiwiblog nowadays. And they’re quite sensitive to criticism – which is ironic given how they love to disparage leftie “snowflakes”.
        
        Personally I wonder how many are refugees from WhaleOil, given how quickly & freely Whale likes to ban commenters. DPF and Kiwiblog have always been quite centrist, and the Whale seems their more natural alt-right home.
        
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        March 13, 2017 9:41am
      - Lance
        
        Seriously Lucia Maria
        All I want is that anybody, including Donald Trump is held to the same account that Barrack Obama was.
        This doesn’t seem to go down well with many punters here (many fake punters?)
        
        I disparage leftist hypocrisy and I expect better from the right. I am calling them out when I see the same BS.
        It would be a pity if there was no difference between left and right standards
        
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        March 13, 2017 10:02am
      - VicParking
        
        virtualmark: the down ticks are because as you say you are “slagging him off”. Try some constructive argument backed up by “real” proof and you might get an uptick or two. Snowflakes just melt away with the first rays of the sun.
        
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        March 13, 2017 10:18am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I did an unofficial ‘survey’ of Kiwibloggers’ support for Trump a couple of weeks ago by measuring upticks/downticks to a simple question. The result came out at 83% support for him among readers here. Not totally scientific, but seems about right, judging by the upticks whenever he is mentioned.
        
        To me this is staggering. I dread to think what would happen if a prick like Trump were ever to surface in NZ politics.
        
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        March 13, 2017 10:40am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        G152 and VicParking,
        
        Well, that’s two. Congrats for coming forward.
        
        G152,
        
        Just maybe the downticks are an example of that freedom of speech you demand
        
        I’m all for freedom of speech, just not freedom of speech for bots and trolls with multiple identities.
        
        Everyone might want to re-read this thread on the proliferation of bots with alt-right messaging over the last year or so.
        
        VicParking,
        
        virtualmark: the down ticks are because as you say you are “slagging him off”. Try some constructive argument backed up by “real” proof and you might get an uptick or two.
        
        You seem to be a little confused as to who you are responding to. I was the one that used the phrase, “slagging him off” in my comment first. I also put a link to a Washington Post article whereby John McCain is telling Donald Trump to put up his evidence on Barack Omaba wiretapping him or apologise. It was a constructive argument in response to VirtualMark’s quote of Trump about “delivering the goods”.
        
        I would like to see Trump deliver the goods on Obama’s wiretapping. However, he seems to have gone very quiet on this.
        
        VirtualMark,
        
        Personally I wonder how many are refugees from WhaleOil, given how quickly & freely Whale likes to ban commenters. DPF and Kiwiblog have always been quite centrist, and the Whale seems their more natural alt-right home.
        
        Yes, Whale has gone full Trumpist. He had a post up the other day just proving Trump’s clams, but it was just a Hannity clip from YouTube.
        
        Lance,
        
        All I want is that anybody, including Donald Trump is held to the same account that Barrack Obama was.
        
        Yeah, there is no chance of that. Mob rule and all.
        
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        March 13, 2017 10:42am
      - Ross12
        
        What is wrong with the Hannity clip Lucia ? It was an interview with an investigative journalist who has a good track record and had some interesting findings to explain ( I think we are talking about the same YouTube video –Sarah Carter from CircaNews).
        You don’t like Hannity , obviously. That’s fine but this video was about the journalist’s findings.
        You have made your views on President Trump loud and clear ( you referred to him as an idiot the other day). You have your view and many others, myself included, hold an opposite view. It should not be surprising that you may find yourself in the minority on a blog site such as KB.
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:26am
      - LisaGinNZ
        
        Sometimes I log in just to downtick the lefties who are blindly wrong about Trump………
        
        It is my little way of saying “pffffffffffft you” and it makes me happy………
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:36am
      - big bruv
        
        People still visit WhaleOil?
        
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        March 13, 2017 1:27pm
      - Liberty
        
        I suspect you are right.
        There is also a lot of similarity between Trump and Peters.
        Both like to rub a itch to make sore with unsubstantiated claims .
        Trump it is Muslims and Mexicans. Peters it is Asians.
        Racist bigots get sucked in to their twaddle
        
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        March 13, 2017 3:39pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Ross12,
        
        Interesting findings from a journalist do not equate to Trump being right about being wiretapped, which is what Cameron Slater was alleging.
        
        As I said in my comment on WhaleOil, the real proof will be verification from the agencies potentially involved, and that we should wait to see how this pans out: U.S. senators ask government for proof Obama wiretapped Trump
        
        Bruv,
        
        The WhaleOil post of Trump being right about Obama popped up on my twitter feed, so I had to investigate.
        
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        March 13, 2017 6:15pm
  - dime
    
    McCain is a dead set fuckwit nowadays. Hes also in the wrong party.
    
    Typical elitist, lives in a 15 million dollar secluded mansion away from the plebs.
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:52am
    - jonar
      
      Whereas the Don isn’t an elitist billionaire living in a golden tower away from the plebs?
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:25am
      - dime
        
        McCain (and the pope) live behind walls. they dont think the plebs should be allowed walls though…
        
        the Don – walls for everyone!!
        
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        March 13, 2017 10:30am
    - Scott
      
      I like Donald, I like his policies and I love it when he slags the mainstream media. They are fake news. Their line for months has been “Trump campaign colluded with Russia to steal the election from Hillary Clinton”. Which is bull dust and they know it is bull dust but they push the line anyway because they are openly left-wing liberal partisans and shills for the Democratic party.
      
      Regarding did Obama have Trump wiretapped during the election, it is entirely possible. What has been reported is that there were requests for surveillance of the Trump campaign for possible ties with Russia. Did that come from Obama directly? Don’t know yet but quite possible. Did they Institute surveillance of Trump as well as his associates? Again don’t know yet but quite possible.
      
      What we do know is that Obama and his cronies were quite prepared to do surveillance of people they didn’t like such as James Rosen the reporter for Fox News. We know the Obama administration put in requests to do surveillance of Trump operatives. So it is certainly possible that they did surveillance of Trump himself.
      
      Time will tell. Those who have been wrong about Trump for 2 years may still be wrong. And I am happy to continue to down tick those people.
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:56am
      - Scott
        
        Why I think Donald is awesome – he is totally right on Muslim immigration and was the only politician who dared to take a stand against it.
        
        Here is just a month of the bad effects of Muslim immigration in Britain –
        
        “Muslim pupils outnumber Christian children in more than 30 church schools, including one Church of England primary school that has a “100% Muslim population.” — Sunday Times.
        
        Six Muslim men shouted “Allahu Akbar” as they were sentenced at Sheffield Crown Court for a total of 81 years for sexually abusing two girls — including one who became pregnant at age 12 — in Rotherham.
        
        “By 2030, one in three people will be a Muslim in the world — that is a huge population.” — Romanna Bint-Abubaker, founder of modest fashion website Haute Elan.”
        
        For the full list of just one month’s Muslim problems go to –
        https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10042/britain-islam-february
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:08am
      - Kimbo
        
        …he is totally right on ~~Muslim immigration~~ extreme vetting and was the only politician who dared to take a stand against it….
        
        Fixed that for ya.
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:11am
      - LisaGinNZ
        
        Scott, you might find this commentary interesting, yep, there “is” a “Russian scandal” but – it’s Hillary and Podesta who could be in big trouble!!!
        
        townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2017/03/08/there-is-a-russian-scandal-but-its-hillarys-scandal-n2295391
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:31am
      - Paulus
        
        Obama himself is very well protected.
        Clintons may be the fall guys given that the Obamas (particularly Michelle) personally could no stand the arrogance of the Clintons.
        But they all have their dirty secrets so they will hold out until ………………..
        
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        March 13, 2017 4:18pm
  - virtualmark
    
    Lucia,
    
    If you look at Trump’s Twitter account it’s been relatively bland for the last 4-5 days. His last 5am Twitter-burst was on the 8th of March with:
    
    122 vicious prisoners, released by the Obama Administration from Gitmo, have returned to the battlefield. Just another terrible decision!
    
    (Note that 109 of them were actually released under George W. Bush, and the other 13 under Obama … VicParking: constructive argument, real proof)
    
    I’m wondering if he’s had his Twitter privileges revoked?
    
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    March 13, 2017 3:50pm
Paulus Gnome

3 2 1 Denis!

Sh*t!
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March 13, 2017 8:06am
- Nostradamus
  
  And don’t forget Hugh with today’s recycled links on Demographia in the news!
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:10am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    How could one forget such great and incisive not to forget numerous with great skill, copy and pasted!
    
    Testament to the great engineering skills required to make scroll wheels so resilient to weapons grade scrolling at any one time without warning or a warmup!
    
    Sigh . . . .
    
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    March 13, 2017 8:24am
  - starboard
    
    “Demographia”
    
    Dunno why..but reminds me of an S&M porn site.
    Hugh must be a dirty old sifter ?
    
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    March 13, 2017 11:35am
Inandout

Riddle of the day:

Why was Jacinta nicknamed ‘Hoover’ in her university days?
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March 13, 2017 8:13am
- Komata
  
  Inandout:
  
  Do you know the answer?? (Somehow I doubt that it has anything to do with American Presidents, the FBI or Fish and Chips).
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:27am
- G152
  
  The vacuum in the head ?????
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:28am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  As she was probably not dissimilar to any Hoover in a student flat being an inflated wind bag that raced about the place (once a week) making a great deal of noise spreading all sorts of detritus from one place to another with no great efficiency or effect and could easily be parked in a dark cupboard until found the following week.
  
  Close?
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:29am
  - Paulus
    
    Do not disparage the Dreamer Team of Union Labour.
    “Team Andy and Jace” no airheads here eh Grunty.
    
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    March 13, 2017 4:21pm
- holysheet
  
  Being manipulated back into a relationship against your will with threats of suicide or self-harm, threats of harm to others or property, or threats of false criminal accusations. A “hoover” is relationship blackmail. This slang term is often associated with individuals suffering from personality disorders like Borderline Personality Disorder or Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
  
  Describes our little pony exactly
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:41am
  - holysheet
    
    I wonder what dirt she found on angry? That is a relationship from hell.
    
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    March 13, 2017 8:57am
    - cmm
      
      Is it only what she has on Andy? Perhaps it could also be what Andy has on her.
      
      It looks like a case of mutually assured destruction.
      
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      March 13, 2017 9:02am
  - oldpark
    
    @Holysheet8.41am
    
    Sounds like there were more fingerprints on her that there are in Scotland Yard. Maybe nothing has changed. The jury is still chewing it over,assissted by the one under the microscope.
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    Who cares .
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:13am
    - cmm
      
      I’m with stephie on this, but probably not the way he’d like.
      
      I really don’t care what she did at uni. We all did stupid stuff that we’d rather not be judged by now. Hoover could be many things (including being a complete slut, being a trouble causer, druggie, … whatever). It all does not matter. To be clear, I am not alleging any of these behaviors.
      
      What really matters is what she brings to the table NOW – in 2017. Unfortunately that still seems to be a complete vacuum.
      
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      March 13, 2017 9:20am
      - Inandout
        
        We may not really care what she did at uni, but the past often comes back to haunt politicians, especially in the internet age we now live in. Look at how Key was mercilessly attacked on his memories (or lack of) as regards his stand on the Springbok Tour.
        
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        March 13, 2017 9:51am
      - cmm
        
        inandout:
        
        The past only seems to be dug up by lefties to throw at the right.
        
        More rational people seem to allow for the fact that doing stupid stuff is part of being a young person and people learn from their mistakes.
        
        If people have moved on and reformed their ways then let’s look at where they are now.
        
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        March 13, 2017 10:08am
      - SGA
        
        The past only seems to be dug up by lefties to throw at the right.
        
        I think that’s a bit too holier-than-thou. The more tribal on all sides of the political spectrum aren’t above plenty of good ol’ muck-rucking (past or present). As the comment that started this discussion shows.
        
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        March 13, 2017 10:17am
      - Liberty
        
        “I really don’t care what she did at uni. We all did stupid stuff that we’d rather not be judged by now”
        
        Is this why Auckland legal circles. Send their sons and daughters to a isolated Dunedin.
        Just like the English Toffs used to send their sprogs of on a grand tour of Europe.
        
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        March 13, 2017 4:06pm
  - dime
    
    really? i see a nicname “hoover” and start unzipping my fly. yikes.
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:54am
    - Inandout
      
      You may almost get the prize, but a similar thread on another site was dumped, possibly because someone said ‘Monica Lewinsky had a diploma in vacuuming’. But I couldn’t possibly comment.
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:45am
- skyblue
  
  She had big lungs when the dope was being passed around?
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:23am
  - VicParking
    
    Dime & skyblue give her the benifit of the doubt. She was proberly just a good house keeper in the varsity flatting days………. I here she vacums Andry’s on a regualar basis.
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:25am
    - starboard
      
      one would be a brave man to place his ‘wedding tackle’ anywhere near those incisors..
      
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      March 13, 2017 11:42am
Happychappy

Well it seems Andrew little can except the Politics of Ratana and crawl on his belly to get their endorsement for Labour but its against the rules for the Maori King to give his support and endorsement to the Maori Party. Then you have to laugh at the hypocrisy of Winston Peters even though it ended badly for him but he thought it was fair for him to use Maori to establish NZ First with using the Maori seats so it is alright for Winston and the left to arse lick to get what they wanted but not for any other Party.
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March 13, 2017 8:15am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Quite so Happychappy. Labour dismissed the Exclusive Brethren as a “weird sect” and “chinless scarf-wearers” in 2005. But they are quite happy to solicit support from members or morehu of the Ratana Church, who believe that Maori are part of the lost tribe of Israel:
  
  T.W.Ratana’s Theory
  “T.W.Ratana’s theory differs as he explained that the Maori and the Japanese belong to the lost tribe of Israel. Ratana believes that Maori and Japanese have been misunderstood, and that a chain of ancestry linked both people. Maori and Japanese customs are very similar in regard to their greetings and hospitality. Some Maori words have the same meaning. Professor Whyeman, of Tokyo University had spent 15 years of research in these matters, with his final conclusion that Maori, Japanese, Filipinos, Malays, Hawaiians, and many other races were all related. Mr Moko Ratana’s private secretary explains, “we believe now” that Maori originally set out from Palestine, travelled through Persia and India, and down to the Malaya Peninsula where the tribes drifted apart. The Maori people eventually travelled south down to Aotearoa.”
  (Otago Witness January 20th 1925)
  
  http://www.theratanachurch.org.nz/history.html
  
  In the meantime, it seems as though our media is going to be fixated on Bill English’s Catholicism this election, and that they will paint him as some sort of religious fanatic. Will they do likewise about Damian O’Connor and Peter Dunne, who along with Gerry Brownlee and outgoing Labour MP Clayton Cosgrove are old boys of St Bede’s College in Christchurch? What about Su’a William Sio, who has been a bishop in the Mormon Church?
  
  Whether people have a religious faith is their own business. Our Parliament still allows MP’s to vote according to their conscience on certain issues, and that right should never be taken away. Whilst I don’t share the views of those who profess to be atheists, I respect their choice 100%.
  
  There are plenty of signs that the 2017 General Election is going to be the dirtiest election yet.
  
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  March 13, 2017 10:00am
  - Happychappy
    
    Thanks KS I actually learn’t some thing about Ratana from that.
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:15am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And only 194 sleeps before one can cast ones vote on the day not forgetting 19 days before the latest Hager pos exposé!
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:39am
  - Komata
    
    KS
    
    And a certain Hagar N. is conspicuous by both his silence and absence…
    
    One has to wonder why.
    
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    March 13, 2017 11:23am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Building suspense. . . . .
      
      I can wait, 2040 seems a nice year
      
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      March 13, 2017 12:07pm
  - mikenmild
    
    They are all weird sects – Bretheren, Ratana, Ringatu, Catholics or whatever. All founded on completely nonsensical fables.
    
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    March 13, 2017 12:07pm
Albert_Ross

DomPost still trying to find an angle to moan about the NZS changes, now decides they want “a decent debate”.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/90287091/duncan-garner-boom-notsosuper-changes-put-my-generation-at-war-with-our-parents

Seriously? This subject has been extensively debated endlessly on every blog site and on every mainstream media outlet there is, both in response to the Government’s recent announcement and on many occasions previously.

What that debate has established is that some people think the age should go up soon, some people think the age should go up later, some people think NZS should be means tested, some people think KiwiSaver should be compulsory, some people think contributions to the Cullen Fund should be restarted, some people think contributions to the Cullen Fund should be reversed, some people think NZS is fine as it is.

What more does the DomPost think there is to be gained from further debate?
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March 13, 2017 8:17am
- Komata
  
  Albert_Ross
  
  Re: ‘What more does the DomPost think there is to be gained from further debate?’
  
  In a word: ‘Customers’!!
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:29am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I saw Garner in the link and lost interest immediately, sorry
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:34am
  - oldpark
    
    Yes Drunken Duncan for new title, Thorndon Village “Idiot”.
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:38am
- marcw
  
  Judging by the stories that say what National proposes is too much, and the opposing stories that say what National proposes is not enough, my feeling is that National must have got it about right.
  
  Steven Joyce explained that with the proposed changes and the increasing life expectancy, that people will still spend slightly longer on average drawing national super. That says to me that the changes are fair and balanced, and also by the time the changes come in, there may be some accommodation for the minority that can’t work those 2 extra years to get to age 67.
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:57am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    Who is saying that what National proposes is too much?
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:02am
    - marcw
      
      If you read the Horrid or Compost, then virtually every Labour MP, Winston, and of course the special people – Maori Party.
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:21am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Garner seems to have had a change of heart since 2014 when he wrote this:
  
  There are some simpler options that ought to be considered. One of these options is to increase the age of eligibility to New Zealand Superannuation from 65 to, say, 67. Labour believes in this; Australia is doing it. They are even now talking about going to age 70.
  
  People like you and me need to be given time to adjust to such a policy change. If people were given ten years to prepare, and a higher age of eligibility were introduced in 2022, it would reduce the number of eligible people by over 100,000 a year – according to Treasury. This is equivalent to $2 billion a year in savings. That’s big money.
  
  The discussion will not be easy, as there are some major questions of intergenerational fairness to be resolved. But as an almost 40 year-old with a bunch of kids and a wife, I’d actually like to know. Wouldn’t you? I don’t mind the truth, but I’d like to know ASAP, please. New Zealand Superannuation cannot be treated as a holy or sacred cow. It is not. And the Prime Minister knows it, despite his face being firmly planted in the sand, with his bum in the air. Picture that.
  
  http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Duncan-Garner-Lets-get-some-Super-honesty-John/tabid/674/articleID/40909/Default.aspx
  
  Which is it Duncan; an increase in the age of eligibilty in 20 years time, with people like you “given time to adjust to such a policy change”, or “No experts, no process – just a brutal change that affects hundreds of thousands of people and which also may or may not happen. Is a policy that takes effect in 2040 even a policy at all? Remember, there are seven elections till the changes would kick in”?
  
  Don’t look to Garner for informed comment or debate. He’s firmly in the clickbait class of journalism.
  
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  March 13, 2017 10:08am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Garner is a complete knob.
    
    I’ve thought about it further and still think he is a knob.
    
    The excellent flip floppery shown above demonstrates the size of his knobbyness
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:47am
- Happychappy
  
  This is the same press that for over a decade has been calling Governments and Opposition Parties reckless and gutless for not having peoples interest when it came to affordability of Super. Now a Government has stood up and proposed a change they cry foul because it does not suit their Generation.
  
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  March 13, 2017 12:06pm
peterwn

So Wellington Regional Council is seeking advice from law firms etc as it prepares to call tenders for running Wellington region bus services. This includes seeking advice on employment matters and has got right up the noses of the unions.
Bearing in mind the major fiasco that occurred when Auckland health authorities put medical lab services out to tender it is not at all surprising that the Regional Council wants to ensure that it has itself properly covered on behalf of its residents. I can well imagine the issues which the Council needs to address but it would be unhelpful IMO to bandy these around.
On the other hand one would doubt that union leadership culture or quality would help secure desirable outcomes for members. The union movement has shown itself quite incapable with its influence in selection of Labour Party leaders.
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March 13, 2017 8:19am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Given the Newlands/Mana drivers are much friendlier and generally better drivers than the Go Wellington drivers, I am not surprised the union is anticipating some personnel changes if Go Wellington loses the contract.
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:40am
Nostradamus

Len Brown’s farewell gift cost Aucklanders more than $5000

Aucklanders paid more than $5000 for a present given on their behalf to outgoing mayor Len Brown, records show.
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At his last governing body meeting on September 29 last year Brown was presented with a traditional walking stick, known as a tokotoko.
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The Herald on Sunday asked the council’s communications’ team for comment on the cost of the gift. In a statement, a spokesperson said the council considered the tokotoko an appropriate acknowledgement of Brown’s time in public office, including the “very demanding foundation years” of the SuperCity.

I’d say the “very demanding” description is better applied to Len’s well-publicised indiscretions in the Ngati Whatua room…
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March 13, 2017 8:20am
- Longknives
  
  The Final Insult!!
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:22am
  - Paulus
    
    But did not Goofy tell us that Len Brown was to be retained as a Consultant ?
    
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    March 13, 2017 4:26pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Inspired by the lesson from ‘The Emperor New Clothes’, it’s a stick!
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:38am
- holysheet
  
  His other “stick” must have done its time and needed to be replaced. All that action in the NW room must have taken it’s toll.
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:44am
  - sooty
    
    I saw a picture of it. It aint worth five thou. The council got ripped. Someones laughing all the way to the bank. Can someone give us the name of the council chappy that bought it. Because I have a bridge crossing Akld harbour to sell him.
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:22am
    - GazzaW
      
      The ‘council chappy that bought it’ had to be in receipt of a backhander from a mate of a mate of a mate to buy that piece of overpriced scrap timber and it was the ratepayer who got ripped not the council.
      
      This parting shot is beyond comprehension.
      
      I know where I’d like to stick it.
      
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      March 13, 2017 11:00am
- kowtow
  
  Ngati Whatua room?
  
  Naughty Fucker Room.
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:59am
- mikenmild
  
  Official recognition of Len’s status as a stickman.
  
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  March 13, 2017 12:09pm
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Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
“Assad: US military forces in Syria are ‘invaders”

(CNN)Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad scoffed and questioned US actions in Syria, calling American troops deploying to the country “invaders” because he hadn’t given permission for them to enter the country and saying there’s been no “concrete action” from the Trump administration toward ISIS.

“Any foreign troops coming to Syria without our invitation or consultation or permission, they are invaders, whether they are American, Turkish, or any other one,” Assad said.
“And we don’t think this is going to help. What are they going to do? To fight ISIS? The Americans lost nearly every war. They lost in Iraq, they had to withdraw at the end. Even in Somalia, let alone Vietnam in the past and Afghanistan, your neighboring country. They didn’t succeed anywhere they sent troops, they only create a mess; they are very good in creating problems and destroying, but they are very bad in finding solution…”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/11/middleeast/syria-conflict-isis-us-military/

Something for President Trump to try for once and get his lonely head around.
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March 13, 2017 8:21am
- kowtow
  
  “They didn’t succeed anywhere they sent troops,”
  
  The Syrian army is such hot shit itself ? Golan Heights are still held by Israel, hahahahahaha.
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:27am
- Ross12
  
  I would have thought it was something Obama and Clinton should have got their heads, around at the start.
  President Trump and his team, have to try to sort out the mess that has been created.
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:36am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Ross12, Lebanon May 2000 Israeli forced withdrawl,
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
    
    Ha, ha, ha , ha
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:20am
    - GazzaW
      
      That’s so cool stephie, I can see that you’re delighted with yourself. Why are you lefties so enthusiastic about giving your support to corrupt regimes and dictatorships in the Middle East?
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:18am
      - stephieboy
        
        Like the present one in Iraq that the US is supporting ?
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:34am
    - Ross12
      
      What has that got to do with your original post, stephieboy ?
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        Ross12, I expect a bit of consistency and not double standards re President Trump and his business interests in the MW especially that theocracy Saudi Arabia .
        
        May 2000 Israel faced a humilating withdrawl from the Lebanon. A war they did not win.
        
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        March 13, 2017 12:51pm
      - realityczech
        
        The filthy dirty beast Obama made the vile Sharia law Saudis the biggest buyer of US arms on the planet, while they committed atrocities in Yemen, as well as in Saudi Arabia.
        
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        March 13, 2017 12:58pm
Souvlaki

The Blues performance was soooo atrocious on saturday…..I even considered match fixing as a cause. How could they perform as ineptly as they did?? It was verging on ” suspicious”!
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March 13, 2017 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Nah it was anyone’s game right to the final whistle.
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:34am
  - Pateke
    
    I thought auckland were doing really well until the kickoff.
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:52am
- dime
  
  did you see the warriors? they mght be the dumbest sonbitchs walking the planet
  
  cant wait for fridays game though 😀
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:55am
Chuck Bird

The government has cut funding for HIV research. The AIDS Foundation will not condemn there promiscuity of homosexuals and even will not criticize Mr Gay NZ who does not believe condoms are necessary which helps reduce the risk.
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March 13, 2017 8:36am
- holysheet
  
  What HIV? if these homos don’t believe they can get HIV and not wear condoms, then the science is settled and no further funding is required.
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:49am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The problem is bisexuals. Women who have no idea their partners are innocent victims.
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:22am
    - sooty
      
      I do not think the male partner, is inocnoce.
      
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      March 13, 2017 9:24am
    - cmm
      
      So the problem here is that the bi male gets infected then infects his female partner. ie. he’s lying to his female partner.
      
      If you don’t know your partner well enough to know if they are sleeping around then use condoms.
      
      So how does massive government expenditure fix that?
      
      This is all just normal “do something, anything” expenditure to make people think they’re at least doing something. Sorry but they are not.
      
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      March 13, 2017 9:40am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        cmm, I knew a woman who was married for about 20 years and had a child. She found out her husband was homosexual and it turned out he was HIV+. She was lucky not to be infected.
        
        We have the former video censor who is now a judge who was bi-sexual. I very much doubt if he told his wife as least for many years.
        
        If a married couple use condoms for other than birth control it is hardly a marriage.
        
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        March 13, 2017 10:35am
      - cmm
        
        Chuck: That’s a very sad situation, caused completely by her shit-head husband throwing his junk around.
        
        However no amount of government expenditure is not going to fix it.
        
        The bi bloke knows that you need to use condoms and lube to keep away from HIV. He chose not to.
        
        If you believe otherwise, then tell me how a few more millions spent on those dumb “Gear Up” posters is going to fix the issue.
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:28am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        cmm, I gave you an uptick before on government expenditure. I say the government should tell the AIDS Foundation to act more responsibly or their funding will be cut.
        
        The AIDS Foundation is more about a homosexual lobby group as trying to reduce HIV.
        
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        March 13, 2017 12:10pm
  - marcw
    
    No, they know they will probably get infected, but it will be OK because the gummint (taxpayer) will provide all the (very expensive) drugs they will require to keep them alive and symptom free. So their hedonism trumps our paying.
    
    So in other words … because NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY.
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:05am
- cmm
  
  Everyone already knows that condoms with lashings of lube are an absolute must and that anal sex is particularly prone to HIV transfer.
  
  Every gay knows this, so surely all the huge expenditure on posters etc are just a waste of time and money.
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:57am
  - cmm
    
    Three downticks so far for pointing out that anal sex is more prone to HIV transfer? I didn’t know “shower man” Jacob Zuma was on KB.
    
    A doctor friend who’s dealt with many HIV/AIDS cases explained it to me this way.
    
    A vagina has evolved to have a vigorous thrusting member inserted in it. The internal membranes are pretty strong. It is capable of withstanding expanding to allow the delivery of a baby.
    
    The anus has not evolved for that purpose. It is tight and has a lot of blood vessels close to the surface (one of the reasons you can “inject” chemicals into the bloodstream by shoving them up your anus). The membranes are relatively thin. Anal sex (especially without sufficient lubrication) is likely to rupture blood vessels meaning any nasties can get directly into the bloodstream. ie. a pretty much perfect path for HIV during unprotected sex.
    
    Couple that with the fact that gays tend to be highly promiscuous (even when in stable relationships) and you have a bloody nightmare on your hands.
    
    This is not a moral judgment, just some basic biology.
    
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    March 13, 2017 1:25pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  This just went online. What penalty should this lowlife get? How about if one or more of his sexual partners got infected?
  
  HIV case: Nursing assistant Johnny Lumsden granted bail but banned from social media
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11817250
  
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  March 13, 2017 12:55pm
  - Honeybadger
    
    I seem too recall a Kenyan? Peter Mawi? being imprisoned here, for not telling female partners that he was infected. Somewhere up north, possibly Auckland, going back a few years now
    
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    March 13, 2017 5:38pm
VicParking

Not Until they brought on real rugby players on, in the second half, did they look like a real rugby team.
They way they pick their team is a shambles. This senior players group, mates picks mates, bro picks bro, All Blacks on the bench, approach is not working.
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March 13, 2017 8:44am
Manolo

For Kimbo: “We Need to Talk About Kelvin” by Marcus Chown.
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March 13, 2017 8:46am
- Kimbo
  
  Cheers
  
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  March 13, 2017 11:03am
Happychappy

I wonder whether Labour have got in Phil Goff’s ear as his statement on a Waterfront Stadium has been dumped this morning with statement from the Mayor saying their will be no Stadium.
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March 13, 2017 8:52am
- marcw
  
  Perhaps he read my comment the other day that the week before he was musing on the fact that Auckland had a $4billion deficit in infrastructure spending required, and even his hypocrisy couldn’t stretch that far.
  
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  March 13, 2017 10:10am
flipper

Has TVNZ pulled out the Failed Clinton/Dems/MSNBC (et al) playbook on abortion and Family Planning?

Funny subject for a queeer little creep like TAME to spend five minutes (as a follow up to an earlier segment) with W English this morning.

Memo Tammy… it did not work in the US. It will not work here. It is a non issue for the great unwashed.

Declaration: Flipper is ambivalent on the issue, and has no personal, religious or other view one way or the other

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March 13, 2017 8:52am
- Longknives
  
  Saw that.
  TVNZ rolled out a scowling Lesbian looking woman while Jack once again apologised for being a male…
  And what was with that ridiculous book shop thing? ‘There are far too many male Authors’ etc etc
  
  Christ wasn’t Man-Hating week last week? Can we give it a rest now please??
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:19am
Maggy Wassilieff

I had informed DPF a couple of days ago that stephieboy was linking my name with anti-vax beliefs and this followed on from his harassing behaviour linking me to alt-right/neo-nazi stuff.
DPF informs me that Griff has just been given a 2month strike for something I hadn’t even read.

Funny old world….

But stephieboy, I see you repeated some of his offending material last night in your 9pm and 9:19pm postings.
Might pay to use better sources …
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March 13, 2017 8:53am
- cmm
  
  I have absolutely no problem with people putting together a well constructed, coherent argument that disagrees with my point of view. They provide value by bringing interesting ideas to the fore.
  
  What I do have a problem with is the absolute willful damage of a resource like KB by a few people. All they want to do is shut down useful conversation. If they don’t engage in a contructive way then, screw it, just get rid of them.
  
  Freedom of speech means being allowed to present your point of view. It does not mean destroying other people’s efforts or poisoning the well.
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:09am
  - stephieboy
    
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    cmm , which in respect of Maggy Wassilieff I never have .
    
    I ask her a simple question:
    
    Do you belieive vaccines cause Autism.
    
    Yes or no ?
    
    That is not haraassment nor did I say she was a Neo Nazi.
    
    I myself have been subjected to all kinds of nasty abuse including I bleive by you.
    
    Poisoning the wells ? You should talk
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:44am
    - Nev.
      
      Your insinuations are more of the “So have you stopped beating your wife” type. If you can’t see that, there really is no hope for you.
      
      Oh by the way, have you?
      Nev.
      
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      March 13, 2017 9:57am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Come off it Stephanie, you abuse people all the time. Anyone who is conservative is a Nazi, anyone who doesn’t support Obama a Trumpist, anyone who doesn’t like Islam a racist.
      
      You’re just a clown with nothing of value to say an people are getting fed up.
      
      Instead of debating or doing funny satire you just abuse people. Sure you never say it out right but you do this faggy passive aggressive approach where you ask open ended questions and smear people through implication. I’ll give you an example of how you do it.
      
      “Beating your wife and agreeing with Trump’s policies is something only a racist anti- vaxer would do wouldn’t you agree?”
      
      You think you are witty or as the kids say – “hot shit”. But you are just dull and more like Luke warm diorreah.
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:00am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      There is one vital thing you have overlooked, stephieboy.
      I do not comment under a pseudonym.
      When you link me to alt-right literature, or pseudo-science, or racist beliefs in a public forum, you are clearly indicating that it is me, Maggy Wassilieff, Private NZ Citizen (member of no political group) that is in your sights.
      
      There are very few Wassilieffs in New Zealand. None of them will be well pleased to know that their surname is being linked to Neo-Naziism or racism.
      Our family knows all about how nasty little rumours can lead to the destruction of careers and lives.
      
      Best not to be associated with this type of bullying behaviour.
      
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      March 13, 2017 12:05pm
      - Manolo
        
        My sympathies are with you, dear Maggy, and our stephieboy would be well advised to withdraw and apologise.
        
        In the meantime, I’ll send my finest pair in a not so distant future. Sincerely yours…
        
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        March 13, 2017 12:08pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I feel sorry for people silly enough not to use a pseudonym on Kiwiblog.
        
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        March 13, 2017 12:14pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Thus its OK for your supporters like cmm ,Padriv Ustoev, Nev, Manolo etc to have pseudonyms etc .
        
        I did not associate you with Neo Nazi or Pseudo Science websites and I’m not a bully !
        
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        March 13, 2017 12:57pm
    - calendar girl
      
      “That is not haraassment nor did I say she was a Neo Nazi.”
      
      You tried to suggest that certain of Maggy’s comments had Nazi connotations. I took exception to that implication on your part (as did others) and invited you to apologise to Maggy. You declined.
      
      So let me now tell you directly: I do not believe you, and I do not accept your attempts to rationalise your dreadful slur directed at Maggy.
      
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      March 13, 2017 6:51pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    My goodness, cmm… that was so well put. Well written!
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:53am
    - stephieboy
      
      ???
      
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      March 13, 2017 11:35am
      - realityczech
        
        stephieboys attacks on Maggy are over the top, considering she uses her real name.
        
        However they do show the true nasty nature of a lefty.
        
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        March 13, 2017 1:04pm
- Nev.
  
  He was quite abusive to you in a post Maggy.
  I, and hopefully many others reported his venal twisted post.
  
  Gibber gibber smeg off indeed.
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:26am
  - stephieboy
    
    Nev , what abuse ?
    
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    March 13, 2017 12:59pm
    - Nev.
      
      Griffs abuse to Maggy.
      Uncalled for.
      
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      March 13, 2017 1:20pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Didn’t seem too bad to me, by Kiwiblog standards:
        
        Dear magggy
        What you are is a climte change denying nut who post some extremely stupid dribble from some extremely suspect sources .
        
        Crank magnetism is a well documented effect for those who gibber stupid conspiracy nonsense .
        Stephieboy is just asking what other nutter conspiracy gibbering you believe in .
        rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crank_magnetism
        Do you agree with Booker that asbestos is not a health risk and evolution is rubbish for instance
        I link you with Booker because you have posted some of his nuttery on here .
        We could also include the views of Rog Tallbloke another whacko you have posted and his denial of relativity.
        Or Dr Roy and his creationist religious nonsense ?
        The physics denying dragon slayers another group you have posted dribble from?
        Roll with pigs you get shite all over you
        
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        March 13, 2017 1:25pm
      - Nev.
        
        Mikey that was nothing but a personal attack. There was no attempt to argue his point just a lot of vicious smears.
        
        It seems Maggy has the wood all over him when it comes to climate change argument.
        
        Also he edited the post taking out some of the nastier comments at the end of it.
        
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        March 13, 2017 5:27pm
FlashinthePan

Good to see a new media player in election year.

Jennings has found his feet – http://newsroom.co.nz/
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March 13, 2017 9:05am
- Ross12
  
  It looks good ( after a brief skim over) FlashinthePan.
  I hope they work out way to pay for the site / content reasonably quickly. I think that has been the problem with most independent sites –they wait too long before they think seriously about how to make it pay.
  
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  March 13, 2017 10:57am
- Dave Mann
  
  Thanks for the heads-up Flash. It looks very professional and I’ll follow it for a while to see how it pans out.
  
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  March 13, 2017 11:30am
- krazykiwi
  
  Sigh … Launching with unhealthy dose of alarmist voodoo science:
  
  The lesser-known effects of global warming… The slippery slope of climate change … “And as these changes become more frequent, like heavy rainfall, and as the sea-levels rise and the effects increase from storm surges” … was awarded nearly $300,000 … another Deep South Challenge-funded project, which was awarded nearly $350,000
  
  Credibility damaged from the outset.
  
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  March 13, 2017 7:29pm
Manolo

The new sultan goes on the offensive:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/turkey-foreign-minister-insists-netherlands-visit-081831328.html

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan on Saturday said a Dutch ban on his foreign minister’s visit was like Nazism, as tensions rocketed over rallies abroad to help Ankara gain backing for a key vote.

His comments came after the Netherlands said it would refuse Foreign Minister Mevlut Cavusoglu permission to land for a rally to gather support for a referendum on boosting Erdogan’s powers.
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March 13, 2017 9:14am
RF

Is it time Dan Carter hung up his boots.

After a crap game he was subbed off and booed by the crowd as he left.

His management team have admitted that Dan likes to party and that this has to stop.

When you factor in the drug dealing by the other clown Chemical Ali, our overseas AB image is taking a real hammering.
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March 13, 2017 9:21am
- Longknives
  
  The loutish and unprofessional behaviour of these self-professed ‘Role Models’ has been covered up by the NZ Rugby Kremlin and their adoring,subserviant media for years.
  Hilariously, these morons are too thick to realise that they are pretty much nobodies outside of New Zealand and rules/laws will apply! Hence it all kinda unravels for them…
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:27am
- cmm
  
  In any other workplace this sort of behaviour would see them being fired.
  
  But different standards apply for our heroes: they are victims of the huge performance pressures they are under, so of course we should give them a get-out-of-jail-free card for violence, drunk driving etc.
  
  Bullshit!
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:45am
- Paulus
  
  Heard that Dan’s homelife is not what it it all thought to be.
  Both Rugby parties are generally looked at favourably in New Zealand in a social way -but in France it is only the Rugby playing men.
  Family do not feature – they do not play Rugby.
  
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  March 13, 2017 4:31pm
  - cmm
    
    He’s not the first AB to go play in France.
    
    The most basic due diligence would have picked up these issue.
    
    For what it’s worth, I bet he went there knowing all this stuff but figured he could handle it for a few years by just focusing on the $.
    
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    March 13, 2017 6:51pm
Captain Mainwaring

His game was already on the slide before he left the ABs. Seems like the attraction of going to France was more social than rugby.
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March 13, 2017 9:30am
- RF
  
  Captain Mainwaring…
  
  The attraction was $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:37am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Yes, that too. $$$$$ for a fun social life plus a bit of lazy rugby at the weekends.
    
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    March 13, 2017 9:53am
    - kowtow
      
      The French pioneered the socialist state.
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:06am
      - stephieboy
        
        kowtow, Dassault , Michelin , Pugeot , Citreon, Alactel etc ec socialist ?
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:38am
  - doggone7
    
    And there’s nothing wrong with that is there? Most people go to work for the money. And a lot of them try to get the easiest job for the biggest amount of money.
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:13am
    - Kimbo
      
      …in a location where they can have a good life after work.
      
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      March 13, 2017 11:05am
- mikenmild
  
  Especially bad was his last performance for the All Blacks – the 2015 RWC final – right?
  
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  March 13, 2017 12:16pm
Jack5

The feminists seem to at least have dropped the bullshit that NZ has one of the highest rates of family violence in the world.

But gripes continue and now the target seems to be “patriarchy”, whatever feminists might wish that to mean.

From a column in Stuff today from a female lecturer in criminology at Victoria University of Wellington:

‘We can see it in the persistence of the gender pay gap, and the “news” last week that conscious and unconscious bias, a.k.a sexism, is the most likely explanation for its endurance [its = a. the “pay gap”, or b. the “patriarchal footprint” on our society].

‘We can see it in the objectification and sexualisation of women’s bodies, not only in its recently criticised pornographic forms but in women’s magazines, advertising, music videos and myriad contexts that signal to girls growing up that success depends on looking ever-beautiful, ever-young.

‘We can also see it in the messages our boys receive through their Kiwi heroes – be tough, be strong, play hard, just don’t get caught. ‘

Who ultimately pays this university feminist who seems pissed off about male appreciation of beautiful women? 1. Taxpayers. 2. Generations of NZ’ers being saddled with student debt. 3. Asians buying NZ citizenship through student visas.

I doubt there is a pay gap between female and male lecturers at Victoria University. However, why are they are running a subject called “criminology”? Is this a law paper, or some sort of sociology con?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/90323860/jan-jordan-patriarchal-footprint-still-deeply-embedded-in-society
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March 13, 2017 9:40am
- GoVege
  
  NZ has one of the highest rates of DV in the western world. ..there’s a big difference.
  In most non-western countries women have terrible lives.
  
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  March 13, 2017 10:59am
  - sooty
    
    Something to do with the makeup of nz society.
    
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    March 13, 2017 11:25am
    - Manolo
      
      Should we blame the “warrior gene”?
      
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      March 13, 2017 11:42am
  - holysheet
    
    It will only get worse the more we import moslem trash. Wait until these beaten women find their voice and get out of their burkas and find things are better outside it.Then these numbers will skyrocket, as will the costs to employers.
    
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    March 13, 2017 11:40am
  - Jack5
    
    GoVege repeats the bull that “NZ has one of the highest rates of DV in the western world.”
    
    This goes back to a comparison using a tiny sample of about 6 per cent of the world’s countries, and a small proportion of developed countries.
    
    Even that small sample was flaky, given different reporting standards from country to country.
    
    Any domestic violence is too much, but spare us the crap about NZ being either worst in the developed in the world for it, or among the worst in the world.
    
    The people repeating this rubbish are typically the same people who ignore the plight of women in most Islamic countries.
    
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    March 13, 2017 4:25pm
krazykiwi

A pro-tip for anyone buying stuff on AliExpress.

I’ve placed around 300 orders over the past two years. 98% of transactions complete successfully, and the vast majority of traders are good to deal with.

Don’t place feedback as part of confirming arrival of goods. Confirm receipt withing a week of the good arriving, and then do the feedback bit after you’re happy with the product quality.

If there’s an issue, do get onto raising a dispute quickly. You only have 14 days from confirming receipt, and I have noticed that sellers of dud goods will not respond to questions and/or delay things so the the two week period passes. Once that happens getting a refund is made to look difficult, and the seller will tell you to contact AliExpress.

If a seller does this, do two things:
1. Demand that they process a refund
2. Tell them that they have “violated ALiExpress trading rules” and that you’ll be raising a “Report”

I’ve only needed to to this twice. It works a treat!
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March 13, 2017 10:00am
Happychappy

Well if Winston is true to form and being Election year it shouldn’t be to long before he will be saying that the Trade deal that is being brokered by Todd McClay and the UK was due to his trips to Britain after they had withdrawn from EU and his trip with the Trade Delegation lead by the Trade Minister at the beginning of the year.
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March 13, 2017 10:05am
Jack5

Adrian Orr, CEO of the Super Fund, interviewed on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme this morning by Kathryn Ryan, was interesting on how much bigger the fund would have been if the Government hadn’t suspended pumping cash into it.

Orr said that, with the effect of compounding, it would have been about a third bigger – another $22 billion.

The suspension of State capital contributions means that the amount the fund can contribute to the baby-boomer super blow-out is down to 10 to 12 per cent compared with original targets of 15 per cent.

The fund also pays large amounts of tax to the State.

An interesting interview.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/201836378/how-is-the-nz-superfund-performing
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March 13, 2017 10:25am
- dime
  
  and if the market had gone backwards?
  
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  March 13, 2017 10:31am
  - Jack5
    
    Dime, yep, that’s a possibility.
    
    The Government suspended annual capital contributions in July 2009. As at June 30 last year, capital contributions not made totalled $14.7 billion. That’s money NZ didn’t save for the future population-ageing effect on national superannuation.
    
    I don’t think overseas markets (where most of the fund’s capital is invested) are lower now than they were in 1969.
    
    Long term, the trend should still be up, and if not,
    the inevitable fall of the Kiwi dollar at the same time as overseas markets would be at least a part-hedge.
    
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    March 13, 2017 10:45am
    - rangitoto
      
      “That’s money NZ didn’t ~~save~~ borrow….”
      
      Fixed.
      
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      March 13, 2017 10:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Rangitoto, we’ve been told the Government has been reducing State debt as a proportion of GDP.
        
        It’s private debt (largely our Aussie-owned banks borrowing to fund NZ lending) that has been increasing.
        
        Was the State borrowing to invest in the Super Fund, or just borrowing to meet over-all expenditure? Then, when it came to trimming expenditure, axeing Super Fund payments while continuing spending on a thousand other things?
        
        Don’t want to nitpick, but perhaps spending millions on a short-term seat on the Security Council is an example of where money might better have been better directed into the Super Fund.
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:04am
    - Happychappy
      
      Wasn’t it not so long ago we lost a mint because of a bad investment.
      
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      March 13, 2017 11:08am
      - Jack5
        
        Happychappy, I guess you are talking about the State’s coalmining company, Solid Energy.
        
        Failed when the world coal price collapsed. It had some grandiose plans, such as turning the vast lignite fields in Southland into diesel, too.
        
        Still, the world coal price has now bounced back quite a bit. Australia is getting around 80 US dollars a ton at present, compard with about 50 a year ago.
        
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        March 13, 2017 11:18am
- Brigitte
  
  But you also have to factor in the corresponding higher level of debt we would now have. Otherwise if you ignore that side then why not just borrow $100b and put it in the fund and say how much “richer” we are (which clearly we wouldn’t be).
  
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  March 13, 2017 10:55am
  - Jack5
    
    Brigitte, I understand that.But the fund has expanded since the Government stopped putting in capital. It’s just that it’s expanded more slowly.
    
    If you want to talk about how “rich” we as New Zealanders are, the measure is GDP per capita, and that’s moving up very slowly indeed.
    
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    March 13, 2017 11:13am
    - Happychappy
      
      I think it was the Bank of Portugal for$200 million
      
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      March 13, 2017 11:34am
      - Jack5
        
        Agreed, Happychappy. The Super Fund mis-stepped there.
        
        The Central Bank of Portugal and Goldman Sachs were involved in the mess, or so we were told.
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/66416001/nz-super-fund-to-sue-the-bank-of-portugal-over-200m-loss
        
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        March 13, 2017 4:31pm
    - Paulus
      
      Why should we borrow from Overseas to top up the Cullen Fund ?
      Watch the slight of hand in the next Budget.
      Tax reductions or top up Cullen Fund ?
      
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      March 13, 2017 4:35pm
Manolo

The EU would be crazy to open its doors to the Turks:
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39248646

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has warned the Netherlands it will “pay the price” for harming ties after two of his ministers were barred.
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March 13, 2017 10:33am
- GoVege
  
  The Netherlands are already “paying the price” for being naive enough to allow so many Muslims in…10% of their population.
  Anybody who dares to criticise Islam needs armed bodyguards 24/7.
  
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  March 13, 2017 11:14am
  - krazykiwi
    
    It’s more like 6%.
    
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    March 13, 2017 11:20am
    - GoVege
      
      Those figures are 7 years old kk.
      I hope you are right but I read somewhere it’s 10%.
      
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      March 13, 2017 2:13pm
    - Longknives
      
      Those Stats are for 2010 Krazykiwi..
      Muslims breed at (conservatively) five times the rate of other Ethnic/Religious groups.
      It will be way over 10% by now.
      
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      March 13, 2017 5:34pm
      - krazykiwi
        
        Muslim birthrates in the Netherlands are ~1.3x non-Muslim, and this ratio is dropping.
        
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        March 13, 2017 6:02pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      Didn’t see the 2010 date, and agree that the Pew Research is a little old. I went looking again, and the latest statistic I could find was from a 2016 article:
      
      The average Dutch estimate is that 19% of the population of the Netherlands in Muslim, but the real figure is just 6% .
      
      I guess it’s possible this survey was based on the same Pew stats. Who knows.
      
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      March 13, 2017 5:57pm
Longknives

You just knew it was going to happen..
The Left has made the link between Wellington College and it’s alleged ‘Rape Culture’ and Donald Trump-

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/columnists/90298232/jane-bowron-welcome-to-the-neoneanderthal

Jane Bowron- Whoever you are, You have lost the freaking plot!
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March 13, 2017 11:04am
- Longknives
  
  I should add- My mates and I were pretty ‘Boorish’ young fellas when I was teenager and Bill Clinton was the President..
  Clearly the Democrats were to blame!!
  
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  March 13, 2017 11:07am
  - rangitoto
    
    Obama must be to blame for roast busters.
    
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    March 13, 2017 11:29am
- Manolo
  
  The poor hack Bowron lost the plot long ago.
  She and her ilk are the reason why the DomPost continues to bleed readers.
  
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  March 13, 2017 11:33am
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    Manolo, switching to Breitbart , Fox , Infowars etc /
    
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    March 13, 2017 12:28pm
Fletch

‘The Russians” met with Hillary’s people just as often as Trump’s according to a Kremlin spokesman.

Russian President Vladimir Putin’s spokesman said in an interview Sunday that the Russian ambassador who met with Trump campaign officials also met with “people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary.”

“Well, if you look at some people connected with Hillary Clinton during her campaign, you would probably see that he had lots of meetings of that kind,” Dmitry Peskov told CNN “GPS” host Fareed Zakaria. “There are lots of specialists in politology, people working in think tanks advising Hillary or advising people working for Hillary.”

Peskov said it is the job of Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak to meet with officials on both sides to talk about “bilateral relations.”

Peskov also defended those meetings, saying they were not an attempt to interfere in the 2016 election.
“But there were no meetings about elections — electoral process … So if you look at it with intention to demonize Russia, you would probably say that, yes, he was trying to interfere in Hillary’s activities. But it would be nonsense, because this is not true,” Peskov said.

http://thehill.com/policy/international/323582-kremlin-spokesman-russian-ambassador-met-with-advisers-to-clinton
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March 13, 2017 11:39am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , you need to understand that yes diplomatic contacts were happening but the efforts did not turn out well between the two because of Crimea , Ukraine and Syria etc .
  
  Putin fancied Trump as a better bet .
  
  Go and figure !
  
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  March 13, 2017 12:32pm
  - realityczech
    
    The US supports radical far right nationalists in Ukraine and Crimea. In Syria they support radical jihadists for “regime change”
    
    So yeah… Putin has a problem with that.
    
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    March 13, 2017 12:36pm
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      rc, ???
      
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      March 13, 2017 1:01pm
- virtualmark
  
  Fletch,
  
  The problem wasn’t Flynn, Sessions, Kushner et al meeting with the Russians.
  
  The first problem was that they concealed those meetings.
  
  The second problem was that they look complicit in Russia’s subsequent interference in the US elections, which was clearly intended to get their (Flynn, Sessions etc) man elected. Note: Not saying they are/were complicit … because we just don’t know enough yet to say that. But they look complicit. In part because they actively concealed those meetings.
  
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  March 13, 2017 3:55pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  I wouldn’t believe anything the Russians have said about meetings with Trump and/or Hillary and/or their people. They are in clean up mode right now. People who are too easily connected have been whisked back to Moscow so they can’t be questioned. The story to minimise their involvement is being given to the gullible. More fool you if you believe them.
  
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  March 13, 2017 6:23pm
  - realityczech
    
    This how loud mouthed foul anti Slavic women are dealt with in mother Russia. 🙂
    
    Pussy Riot whipped by Cossack militia in Sochi during performance attempt
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXWlQxUNFLY
    
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    March 13, 2017 6:37pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      While as far more civilised KiwiBlog in NZ will just ban you from commenting for a while until you can’t comment anymore.
      
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      March 13, 2017 7:04pm
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        Sounds like much the same thing hate monger.
        
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        March 13, 2017 7:10pm
krazykiwi

Governments are starting to cotton on to the notion that they can’t keep piling the cost of ‘fighting climate change’ (kk: LOL) onto a once docile taxpayer who is now increasingly resistant.

Finance ministers for the U.S., China, Germany and other members of the Group of 20 economies may scale back a robust pledge for their governments to combat climate change, ceding efforts to the private sector.

Citing “scarce public resources,” the ministers said they would encourage multilateral development banks to raise private funds to accomplish goals set under the 2015 Paris climate accord, according to a preliminary statement drafted for a meeting that will be held in Germany next week.

This is good news. The emperor has passed by the mirror of public opinion and decided that some clothes are in order.

And in other good news, there’s been a huge oil discovery in Alaska. It’s the largest in 30 years.
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March 13, 2017 11:45am
sooty

The dirty little tabloid is pushing a male nurse in Sydney, who has saved $6,500 in six years for a house purchase and can not afford a house. Oh the poor little snowflake! The question is why would you, its Sydney. After all! Who cares! Stupid!
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March 13, 2017 11:48am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  $6.5k in six years, $20.00 a week, where was he finding these savings, down the back of the settee?
  
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  March 13, 2017 12:22pm
  - starboard
    
    Male nurse lol..bet he’s a poof who wants to live in Paddington ( million $ plus ) with all of the other bum bandits and sodomites. Males who walk around wearing jeans with a zipper in the back for quick rear entry antics down at the local public shit house. Disgusting.
    
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    March 13, 2017 1:00pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Your psychological projection is showing again.
      
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      March 13, 2017 1:19pm
      - stigie
        
        Hey Milky, he didn’t mention your mum this time so let the good times roll ole chap..?
        
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        March 13, 2017 1:41pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Just pointing out starboard’s obsession for about the zillionth time:
        http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Haggard%27s_Law
        
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        March 13, 2017 2:04pm
Manolo

The Democrat’s war against President Trump ratches up:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4306174/Attorney-General-Bob-Ferguson-challenge-Trump-s-new-ban.html
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March 13, 2017 11:57am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , the “deep state “conspiracy that is taking the Preident and Trumpists by storm ? ,
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11815778
  
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  March 13, 2017 12:33pm
Manolo

It should be a cracker:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/12/merkel-meets-trump-in-clash-of-style-and-substance.html

It is hard to imagine two leaders more different, in style or substance, than Angela Merkel, the German chancellor, and Donald Trump, the new president of the United States.

For months, they have been engaged in an uneasy long-distance skirmish over policy and values.

On Tuesday, they meet for the first time – a high-stakes encounter that will be watched by governments around the world for clues about the future of the transatlantic alliance, a partnership that has helped shape the global order since World War Two but which Trump is threatening to upend.
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March 13, 2017 12:38pm
- realityczech
  
  A power hungry German far left globalist intent on dominating and taking over Europe, meets the leader of the free world.
  
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  March 13, 2017 12:43pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Visit your GP for a referral .
    
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    March 13, 2017 1:02pm
  - Komata
    
    RC
    
    It;s a cliche, but for Merkel the Mad it is quite true: Today Germany, tomorrow Europe, the day after, the world’.
    
    And yes, ‘England’ will be conquered / subdued, ‘Persuaded to rejoin’, ‘All in due time and at the right moment’..!
    
    (Sound familiar?)
    
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    March 13, 2017 1:11pm
stephieboy

Komata ,

(Sound familiar?) etc

Expand on your rather weird post please ?
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March 13, 2017 1:16pm
Manolo

How many stephieboys out there on the loose today? 😀
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March 13, 2017 1:19pm
- RalphT
  
  I don’t know, but I do know that one is one too many.
  
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  March 13, 2017 1:55pm
- GazzaW
  
  They come off the bench at Fraser House as required. Like rust, they never sleep.
  
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  March 13, 2017 2:24pm
  - Longknives
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=331kyZ9OXMc
    
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    March 13, 2017 4:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , hi ho, hi ho its off to Whale Blubber you go !
  
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  March 13, 2017 3:27pm
GazzaW

One Valencia Skipper has just been found guilty of the death of her daughter due to driving under the influence of P. Her 2 year old daughter was unrestrained at the time, Skipper had no license and did not own the vehicle. The offence took place in January 2016 and Skipper is pregnant.

She’s been released on bail pending sentence. What’s the bet? A much deserved jail sentence or a wet bus ticket.
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March 13, 2017 2:20pm
- GoVege
  
  The 2 year old was apparently sitting in a car seat but without a seat belt on it, so she was flung from the car and killed.
  This is common behaviour with young Maori mums.
  I recall seeing a neighbour of mine setting off down the line with her baby in a seat with no belt.
  She reckoned it was OK because she would only be in that seat for another 9 months.
  Wish I’d reported her.
  BTW. .she was “safety officer” at our play centre.
  
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  March 13, 2017 2:50pm
  - Longknives
    
    Yet we are always hearing how ‘Whanau’ is more important to Maori than it is to us lowly other Cultures…
    
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    March 13, 2017 4:06pm
  - Inandout
    
    So long as she can recite Te Treaty she will be OK. You are correct though, some Maori mothers seem to be irresponsible, as well as smoking in closed cars.
    
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    March 13, 2017 4:10pm
  - realityczech
    
    Strapping kids down in cars is a very recent thing. A result of a fearful and diseased feminised culture.
    
    If everyone was like Govege, we would not have cars as they would be too dangerous. We would still be sitting in trees picking lice out of our fur.
    
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    March 13, 2017 5:28pm
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      Never use to strap them in the waka, either.
      
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      March 13, 2017 6:48pm
Manolo

This old gizzard should drop the mask and join the Democrats now:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-republican-challenges-trump-prove-wiretapping-claim-221719039.html
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March 13, 2017 3:34pm
Inandout

The late Bill Leak was hounded by Muslim bastards, and the constant hiding in safe houses wore him out.

This guy Wilders is in the same situation but has come out of hiding for the Dutch election campaign.

Freedom of speech and Islam are like oil and water.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/anti-islam-dutch-lawmaker-fans-flames-security-bubble-092457381.html
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March 13, 2017 4:26pm
- Longknives
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)
  
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  March 13, 2017 4:32pm
Jack5

Oh dear, Dame Devoid must be packing her bags to fly to Fiji.

There are calls for Fiji’s UN Ambassador, Nazhat Shameem, to be fired and recalled after she described the past protections of the rights of indigenous Fijians as institutionalised racism.

But which side would Dame Devoid support? The indigenous, Melanesian Fijians, of the ethnic Indian Fijians? What a conundrum for a squash champ.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/international/pacific-news/326194/calls-for-resignation-of-fiji's-un-ambassador
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March 13, 2017 4:50pm
realityczech

I just witnessed a shocking scene of hate. I heard what sounded like a violent riot on my way home. It was bunch of militant man haters outside parliament being whipped into hysteria by an angry shrieking dyke with a bullhorn. The lies and hate that hideous beast vomited were beyond belief.

The saddest part was seeing young school age girls being screamed at and told men were rapist pigs and they are victims.

Now they will head home to the house their dad paid for and their comfortable lives bought and paid for by men, in a modern safe society created by [white] men.
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March 13, 2017 5:24pm
- Longknives
  
  The great irony being those same people who are shrieking hatred for White Males and their supposed ‘Rape Culture’ are those same ‘Rent a Mob’ people who want to flood our Country with Islamic Refugees.
  And we know how well the Muslims treat their women..
  
  http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/asia/afghanistan-taliban-woman-stoning/
  
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  March 13, 2017 5:54pm
  - realityczech
    
    Dykes have horrific levels of depression and domestic violence in their relationships. They would be better off with an ISIS member and at least he will beat her up sober, instead of drunk 🙂
    
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    March 13, 2017 5:58pm
realityczech

And here is the msm media reporting of this hate-rally, showing pictures of innocent kids.

They have show nothing of the mob of bitter Bull Dykes that were there drooling over those young girls.

I saw this with my own eyes and it looked completely different. I noticed the cameras were between the Bull Dykes and young girls. Very carefully managed story for the sheeple.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/90374283/protest-at-parliament-against-rape-culture-in-schools
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March 13, 2017 5:52pm
- Inandout
  
  I notice one comment from a father on how blindly drunk females just MAY be a bit foolish venturing out and expecting to remain untouched was savagely attacked by a dyke; HE is the problem.
  
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  March 13, 2017 6:06pm
- nasska
  
  Isn’t it amazing that the women who scream the loudest about sex abuse are the ones the average man would jump out of a sixth floor window rather than screw?
  
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  March 13, 2017 6:11pm
  - realityczech
    
    Welly has lots of great looking women, but is also full of striding waddling angry lesbians who have clearly put great effort into looking hideous.
    
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    March 13, 2017 6:23pm
  - stigie
    
    Then there’s the not so average man that would screw anything, ugly or not and didn’t matter how old they were..?
    
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    March 13, 2017 7:34pm
    - nasska
      
      You always get a few kinks stigie. 🙂
      
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      March 13, 2017 7:50pm
      - stigie
        
        Probably got one right here on Kiwiblog Nasska, ya know what im sayin.
        
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        March 13, 2017 7:56pm
Longknives

Just saw someone waving an Anti-Israel flag on the news.
Typical ‘Rent a Mob’ Protest..
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March 13, 2017 6:05pm
cha

But but…voting machine fraud.
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Comm. on House Admin voted to move forward terminating agency that oversees vote machines. We need agency! #Fraud https://t.co/MSEAqFPIRq— Karen Skeens (@KarenSkeens2) March 12, 2017
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March 13, 2017 6:39pm
RF

Oh dear… Angry has an anger management problem.

He threatens to shove the PM off his saddle. This is in reference to the PM climbing on his high horse over the Maori King giving Labour its arse.

Some people may think it’s a minor issue but he is no better than the other idiot Hone who is running around making threats and calling people Nazi’s. Its time our politicians started acting like mature responsible adults.

Both these turkeys are not fit to be in parliament.
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March 13, 2017 7:35pm
- stigie
  
  Seems to me that Jacinta will be the mouth piece for the Liarbore Party.?
  
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  March 13, 2017 7:41pm
  - sooty
    
    People just turn off, when Andy speaks. Edit add off.
    
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    March 13, 2017 8:43pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “Both these turkeys are not fit to be in parliament.”
  
  And with a bit of intelligent voting in September neither of them will be.
  
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  March 13, 2017 9:29pm
rightoverlabour

Looks like some nice warm weather in the USA….

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/12/blizzard-watch-issued-for-new-york-boston-as-storm-forecast-to-hit-northeast.html

Of course this neither proves nor disproves the climate change/ warming argument. And any body who thinks that the recent down pour in Auckland is proof of anything is equally deluded. Extreme weather events occur occasionally. Its part of the “normal”. (The Tasmen Tempest was probably a pertubation caused by a more meridional flow ( as opposed to zonal) of the Southern Hemisphere Rossby waves. Interestingly there seems to be a suggestion that the meridional vs zonal flow may be influenced by solar sunspot cycles. http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0469(1980)037%3C1197:PWCBTT%3E2.0.CO;2

and http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1364682604001798
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March 13, 2017 8:16pm
Nostradamus

Rape culture protest outside Parliament

Hundreds of Wellington students gathered outside Parliament this afternoon to take a stand against rape culture in their schools.

One of the videos is interesting. An enthusiastic young protester is holding up a sign that says: “Get your filthy paws off my silky draws [sic]”.

I hope there’s still enough time for this young person to learn basic literacy before entering the workforce.
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March 13, 2017 8:33pm
- EAD
  
  Isn’t it sick that adults can brainwash these children into such a state of furore over something non-existent?
  
  Why don’t these teachers instead encourage their students to push back against the Jewish pornography industry that has corrupted young minds and turned the highest expression of male/female love inside a marriage into something cheap and debased that some now consider little more than a recreational pastime that can be engaged in with someone you’ve known for 2 minutes?
  
  Look behind the curtains and it’s the same suspects peddling this filth on goyim minds – EVERY. DAMN. TIME:
  
  http://www.jewishquarterly.org/issuearchive/articled325.html?articleid=38
  
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  March 13, 2017 8:49pm
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    As Morgoths Review puts it:
    
    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2017/03/what-does-adeles-popularity-say-about.html?m=0
    
    Abridged:
    
    The Jewish led Feminist movement threw European women into the world of men while proclaiming ”You are free now! we have freed you from oppression, be happy!”. It’s similar to snatching a swan from its lake and ”liberating” it by dumping it in the middle of an arid desert. The swan wanders the void and ponders ”I’m free, but I’m unhappy, why?”.
    
    The overly dramatic tone and bombast of Adele’s songs offer something of an ”out” to this confusion. Adele’s message is not just one of being used and thrown away like trash, it’s also one of stoicism, she’s saying/screaming ”Yes, it’s tough, but you will become stronger for it, you’re a strong woman! you will get through this!”…………
    
    A few decades ago Julie, the girl from the supermarket checkout, would have the Eurythmics ”Miracle of Love” as her personal soundtrack to her ”courtship” with Dave, the local mechanic. The mundane became something more, the cheeky infatuation at the local pub became something epic, love, to be loved and have somebody love you back, the sheer wonder of it all!.
    
    Adele inverts this and hands it back to the women of the current year. Grandiosity is used to conceal and elevate the humdrum lives of modern women, but the reality is that Julie is pulling up her knickers and heading out to catch the bus before Dave kicks her out, because he’s set to play Call Of Duty 7 Online later. And the ”lovemaking” was not much more than skinny-jeans wearing, Nu-Male Dave, trying to get Julie to agree to all the stuff he saw on the Jewish run porn channels
    
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    March 13, 2017 8:54pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    EAD:
    
    It won’t surprise you to learn that Pete George was delighted to see a rape culture protest:
    
    Good on them for speaking up. This could be a turning point in teen attitudes towards sex, making it loud and clear that crappy and disrespectful and abusive behaviour and sexual predation and assault is not the norm and is not acceptable.
    
    This is the same Pete George, of course, who used to talk a lot about Kiwiblog’s rape culture. I recall that many male Kiwibloggers took offence at his suggestion that, by not standing up to rape culturalists, we’re just as bad as them. I could find the link – but I’m sure others will remember the exchange.
    
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    March 13, 2017 8:58pm
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      No surprises there Nosty – I think it was the General Debate punters refusal to acknowledge that he alone was ahead of his time in realising “rape culture” as the big issue of the day while all of us cavemen had our head buried in the sand was why he left Kiwiblog to start up YAWNZ 🙂
      
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      March 13, 2017 9:03pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        I’ve found it.
        
        Here’s what Pete George said:
        
        If we have a rape culture we are all part of it, but most of us are not rapists. Some contribute much more than others to the culture, many contribute little if anything (apart from silence allowing it to continue).
        
        Andrei responded:
        
        Pete George you exceptionally silly little man I AM NOT PART OF A “RAPE CULTURE”.
        
        I bought my boy up to respect women and my girls to be women worthy of respect.
        
        And that’s only one response!
        
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        March 13, 2017 9:15pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Where can I get some of that hot Jewish pornography EAD gets off on?
      
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      March 13, 2017 9:10pm
      - dirty harry
        
        try ya mums house
        
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        March 13, 2017 9:12pm
      - EAD
        
        I would start of with surgically enhanced and money grubbing Ron Jeremy – Chief Hebrew Peddler of smut
        
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        March 13, 2017 9:19pm
      - nasska
        
        There you are Mike…..EAD was able to point you in the right direction.
        
        Reminds me of when Patricia Bartlett was doing her anti porn crusades. The old bat knew more about what was available than the average sex shop owner. 🙂
        
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        March 13, 2017 9:38pm
nasska

Islam…..the religion of alternative peace.
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- Manolo
  
  Allahu akbar!
  
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