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William of Ockham

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http://www.eea.europa.eu/highlights/climate-change-poses-increasingly-severe … risks for ecosystems, human health and the economy in Europe. 25 Jan 2017/ 17 Feb 2017
Europe’s regions are facing rising sea levels and more extreme weather, such as more frequent and more intense heatwaves, flooding, droughts and storms due to climate change …

‘Climate change will continue for many decades to come. The scale of future climate change and its impacts will depend on the effectiveness of implementing our global agreements to cut greenhouse gas emissions, but also ensuring that we have the right adaptation strategies and policies in place to reduce the risks from current and projected climate extremes.’
Hans Bruyninckx, Executive Director, European Environment Agency
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The physics explained:
https://www.climatecommunication.org/new/features/extreme-weather/overview/
A Small Increase in Average Temperature Leads to Big Changes in Extreme Weather… Substantial changes in the frequency and intensity of extreme events can result from a relatively small shift in the average of a distribution of temperatures, precipitation, or other climate variables.

[graph] Climate Change Shifts the Odds for Extreme Weather Events. Solomon et al. 2007

Weather variation on our planet can be described with a rough bell-shaped curve. So-called normal weather is very common while extreme weather is rare. While events close to normal occur frequently, in the broad center of the curve, there is a sharp fall-off in the frequency of events further away from normal, in the flatter ends of the curve. For instance, a small increase in temperature shifts the entire curve toward hotter high temperatures. The rarest and most extreme record heat events become even more severe and much more frequent. Precipitation does not follow quite the same pattern, but the same concept applies: fewer light and moderate rains are being replaced by more heavy rain events.
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March 11, 2017 8:00am
- EAD
  
  There was a blogger called Denis Horne,
  whose lame poetry was getting quite worn,
  He rebranded himself as William of Ockham,
  with his climate doom mongering he tried to shock em,
  but his attempts at scaring us were quite forlorn.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:10am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Even worse poetry than Horne’s I have to say.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:19am
- PhilBest
  
  Everything is proof of catastrophic anthropogenic climate change and nothing is disproof.
  
  Funny how “science” works these days.
  
  It would help if the MSM stopped giving us fake news and started reporting on the hundreds (at least) of well-credentialled dissenting scientists and the dozens (at least) per year of papers with contrary conclusions – this in spite of a disturbing degree of institutional coercion.
  
  Loss of credibility on the part of the MSM is entirely justified, and where and when it has not occurred, it is overdue. No-one is a “believer” because they are smarter and more sophisticated, they are believers because of ignorant-sucker group dynamics.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:11am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Phil Best , all is required is to suspend all critical judgement and bow down and worship Mr President ( Climate Change hoax ) Trump ?
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:21am
    - PhilBest
      
      I have been a skeptic since the publication of the charlatans hockey stick graph in 2000.
      
      Trump is a belated encouragement on the political front, not a “leader” of my opinion. I welcome his appointment of “deniers” to top positions, I welcome the course of action of that “denier”, Scott Pruitt, in replacing departmental heads with fellow “deniers”, and I eagerly anticipate the flood of whistle-blowers from among the science and bureaucratic rank and file who have endured years of being coerced into silence and complicity over fraud and malfeasance.
      
      It is revealing to say the least, that there was allegedly “only a handful of deniers on the fringe of science”, but Pruitt et al are having no difficulty finding hundreds of well qualified people to appoint to the positions they deserve. The “handful on the fringe” thing was never anything more than fake news.
      
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      March 11, 2017 8:40am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Awwwww, GD buggered so early! ?
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:12am
- Northland Wahine
  
  Of course it’s never pissed down with rain like this ever before.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:16am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    I have ordered a kit set ark from Amazon
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:45am
  - Viking2
    
    No not ever.
    What goes up must inevitably come back down so, all this global warming has caused the water to steam off up into the clouds and once the weight of water becomes too much it just comes down again.
    
    Please don’t boil your kettle for too long each time you use it.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:48am
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Which brings me to my next gripe, I understand the logistics of why we’re having to save water for the next month, but why in the hell hasn’t Auckland City Council invested more money into watercare? Did our population stagnate? Silt that bad in a city that’s supposed to be in the top 25 in the world?
      
      Bloody embarrassing.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:13am
      - Viking2
        
        ACC doesn’t do water.
        Rather have a stadium on the waterfront.
        
        Watercare are the guys but the nimby’s don’t want a new station to treat water.
        
        And if you think that’s bad wait just you wait until the King and his advisors have a bit of grunt in the Round House. Then the Waikato river and all its water will be subject to another rort in favour of the special people of the North Waikato and the water will be taxed every time it goes through a power generator and when it runs down the pipe to the Water Care station for the Auck.’s to consume.
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:29am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Banning water tanks so they can insist on you paying for every drop that comes into your house, now that’s great business income.
        
        If you were allowed rainwater tanks there wouldn’t be any issue with the amount of water you can use. Plenty of the sweet water falling out of the sky!
        
        Lived on rainwater most of my life, not one issue.
        
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        March 11, 2017 10:15am
- Peter
  
  The biggest turn-off of the AGW cult are the far-left tossers who preach so earnestly about it.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:19am
  - stephieboy
    
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    And alt right tarders who feel extreme weather events have nothing to do with AGW and cliamte change .
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:24am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      Present your evidence that it has never rained or flooded in this country before.
      
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      March 11, 2017 8:42am
    - PhilBest
      
      No extreme weather events noted in the course of human history, of course.
      
      This raises an interesting point. “History” traditionally involves learning about dates, people’s names, recorded events, etc. But a certain type of person politically, avoids all that by learning “the Marxist dialectic” instead. The thing that matters about “history” is reduced to “who was oppressing who”.
      
      The thing that matters about the Vikings, say, is that they were white Aryans, patriarchical, misogynists and rapists. It is superfluous to the Marxist dialectic, that the Vikings crossed the northern Atlantic when it was ice-free, discovered “Greenland” while it was green, settled it, and then were frozen out and perished a couple of centuries later as the climate changed.
      
      Hannibal crossing certain Alpine passes to invade Rome by surprise from the North, while those passes were ice-free, is another example. So is Chinese explorers sailing through an ice-free Bering Strait and charting much of the northern coastline of what became Russia. So is the recorded growing of grapes and other fruit at northern latitudes during certain phases of time.
      
      Historical knowledge is what made me an instant skeptic when the “hockey stick” graph was published in 2000. It was merely a matter of time and waiting, for the exposure of the fraudulent methods by which that graph was devised. If you knew your history, you knew it was fraudulent and needed independent auditing.
      
      That it took so long for McIntyre and McKittrick to even get the data, was prima facie evidence that the fraudsters KNEW they had something to hide. Hiding the data and the calculations, is a matter of routine among the “science” community that has the bureaucratic funding and the agenda – a colossal give-away that the fraud is a matter of deliberate aforethought.
      
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      March 11, 2017 8:57am
      - Viking2
        
        There have recently been discoveries well down into New Foundland of Viking occupation. Well down from Greenland where they grew grapes and made nectar.
        https://www.facebook.com/TheVikingsHaul/photos
        
        /a.446142305408838.94800.443389372350798/1315623211794072/?type=3&theater
        
        https://www.facebook.com/TheVikingsHaul/photos/a.446142305408838.94800.443389372350798/1332632946759765/?type=3&theater
        
        https://www.facebook.com/TheVikingsHaul/photos/a.446142305408838.94800.443389372350798/1279193788770348/?type=3&theater
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:39am
    - Peter
      
      Extreme compared to what period, Stephieboy? And where?
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:27am
      - GazzaW
        
        C’mon Stephieboy we need an answer. It must be somewhere in your copy of Al Gore’s Boys Own Annual on AGW
        
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        March 11, 2017 10:03am
      - Peter
        
        They can’t answer.
        
        “Extreme” is obviously a relative measure. Relative to what, where and when? On what basis was the control selected? Do extremes occur everywhere or just in some places? If so, how come? If there are less extremes occurring than the control, then does this suggest AGW is not occurring?
        
        I guess they’ll just trot out the usual “99.9% of scientists agree….” line, which, of course, is not an answer, nor is it science.
        
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        March 11, 2017 11:39am
    - rangitoto
      
      I recall reading a book when I was at school back in the 60’s titled “Floods in New Zealand”. It showed pictures of plenty of “extreme” events.
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:39am
      - GazzaW
        
        I’ve lost count of how many ‘once in a century’ weather events we seem to be having of late.
        
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        March 11, 2017 10:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  At this website you can access 91 peer-reviewed research papers from 2016 and 2017 that illustrate any recent climate warming isn’t global, unprecedented or remarkable.
  http://notrickszone.com/2017/03/09/30-new-2017-scientific-papers-crush-the-hockey-stick-graph-and-global-scale-warming-claims/#comments
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:29am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Maggy W, you better get in contact with the NZ Royal Society and tell them about No Tricks zone and how very deluded and wrong they are And how right your link and you are .
    
    New Zealand climate is changing. The Australasian region continues to show long-term trends toward higher surface air and sea surface temperatures, more hot extremes and fewer cold extremes, and changed rainfall patterns. Warming is projected to continue through the 21st century along with other changes in climate.
    
    Key findings
    
    Warming is expected to be associated with:
    
    rising snow lines,
    more frequent hot extremes
    less frequent cold extremes
    increasing extreme rainfall related to flood risk in many locations
    Annual average rainfall is expected to decrease in the northeast South Island and northern and eastern North Island, and to increase in other parts of New Zealand.
    
    Drought frequency could double or triple in eastern and northern New Zealand by 2040.
    
    Fire weather is projected to increase in many parts of New Zealand.
    
    Regional sea level rise will very likely exceed the historical rate…”
    
    http://royalsociety.org.nz/expert-advice/papers/yr2016/climate-change-i
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:01am
    - Simon
      
      Yawn, where is the climate doom forecasts of 2000 or 2005 gone?
      
      “Key findings” lol no evidence. Computer prediction models of climate change a complete failure.
      
      “Regional sea level rise will very likely exceed the historical rate…”
      
      Any evidence for this? There isnt any.
      
      http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/environment/environmental-reporting-series/environmental-indicators/Home/Marine/coastal-sea-level-rise.aspx
      
      Available tide gauge data showed rising trends in all long-term monitored sites over approximately 100 years, between 1900 and 2013.
      The Wellington tide gauge showed the most marked trend: + 2.14 ± 0.16 mm/year. Other sites with less marked changes were:
      Auckland + 1.55 ± 0.08 mm/year
      Dunedin + 1.36 ± 0.08 mm/year
      Lyttelton + 1.98 ± 0.09 mm/year
      New Plymouth + 1.31 ± 0.28 mm/year.
      
      There is no acceleration of rising seas levels.
      
      Royal society is fake news.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:27am
      - mikenmild
        
        The Royal Society is just a small cog in a worldwide conspiracy by scientists to make money out of a gigantic scam?
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:32am
      - holysheet
        
        yes
        
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        March 11, 2017 10:20am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yes, stephieboy..
      
      some of them have been singing those same tunes since the 1980s.
      Its clear empirical evidence I am waiting for.
      
      Anway, can’t stay and play.. there’s a lake and its eels to save, trees to plant… and goodness it’s pissing down.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:29am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        And stephieboy,
        
        get your little mitts on this paper (deliberately paywalled for you) all about climate variability and trends in Antarctica.
        Assessing recent trends in high-latitude Southern Hemisphere surface climate
        
        http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n10/full/nclimate3103.html
        Notice one James Renwick (member of the NZRoyal Soc) is a co-author
        
        Here’s the key bit of info:
        Over the 36-year satellite era, significant linear trends in annual mean sea-ice extent, surface temperature and sea-level pressure are superimposed on large interannual to decadal variability. Most observed trends, however, are not unusual when compared with Antarctic palaeoclimate records of the past two centuries.
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:44am
      - holysheet
        
        72 mls of rain here in the waikato in the last 24 hours.
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:50am
      - stephieboy
        
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        Maggy W,
        
        Appears to be a typical climate denial out of context quote ,
        
        “In the face of the mind-boggling peril of climate change, feel the despair, then work harder”
        
        By James Renwick
        January 11, 2017
        
        “It’s easy to understand desperation in the face of climate change, but we need to channel all energy into urgent action, writes James Renwick.”
        
        http://thespinoff.co.nz/author/james-renwick/
        
        Reconcile the contradiction please ?
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:51am
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hi Maggy, I think I Reported you instead of replying to your quoted material below. http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v6/n10/full/nclimate3103.html
        You do realise that most of what you quoted will be meaningless to the GW nutters that litter this blog with their desperate attempts to prove that skeptics are wrong. I assume the decadal variability is linked to the Walker circulation? Cheers
        
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        March 11, 2017 10:14am
    - GazzaW
      
      There seems to be a quite frequent use of ‘projected’, ‘expected to’, ‘could’ and ‘very likely’ in your first answer Stephie (not the one immediately above) . The same words were used back in the 80s and none of the predictions of doom have come to pass.
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:11am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fuck, that’s an Inconvenient Truth!
    
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    March 11, 2017 11:58am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  La la land
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:55am
- realityczech
  
  You mean slightly warmer weather is on its way ?
  Strange average temperatures have been dropping for the past 15 years.
  
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  March 11, 2017 2:47pm
duggledog

Alison Mau on equal pay for women – you may have read this, or heard her diatribe on Radio Live, Tuesday afternoon:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/90046139/Alison-Mau-The-day-TVNZ-told-me-they-wouldn-t-pay-me-as-much-as-Mike-Hosking

‘There was a short silence, and then the Head of News laughed right in my face.
Oh come on Ali! That’s over a decade ago! Surely things have moved on since then?’

Hmmm.

Just a couple of things:

Did the person she had the meeting with at TVNZ actually say that she would not be getting Hoskings’ salary because she was a woman?

You can’t tell from the quote above.

I simply cannot believe TVNZ (of all employers) would say or imply this. If ‘things have moved on from a decade ago’, I would have thought they would have moved on in the form of equal pay, a living wage, separate toilets for LGBT, Muslim prayer rooms etc – going on the fact they allow staff to run Labour Party campaigns on the premises.

Was the meeting minuted?

If not, then if I were TVNZ I would be consulting my legal team, because Mau is making a serious allegation of illegal employment practice.

Could the person mentioned have laughed in Mau’s face (about the lack of pay equity) because her predecessor was paid more than the programme could sustain?

Could they have laughed in her face because she just didn’t have the pulling power of Hosking? (She doesn’t)

I think Mau has outed herself as a Difficult Employee. I wouldn’t hire her, personally.
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March 11, 2017 8:02am
- reid3
  
  There are several myths going on here.
  
  Myth one is women are paid less because they’re women.
  
  I’ve spent my entire working life – 30 years and counting- in or consulting for corporates on process improvement or IT projects. I’ve analysed employee pay scales hundreds of times because it’s part of calculating ROI for proposed improvements. I have never come across an award which discriminates on sex or orientation or race grounds. I have never come across actual pay records which do that, either.
  
  “There is nothing so vigourously defended as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction” is an axiom I see play out all the time in every arena of human activity.
  
  Imagine how embarassing it would be to them were the Ministry of Women’s Affair to conduct a study which found out, actually, there was no pay gap.
  
  We all know you can design surveys and questionaires and ministerial enquiries that give you any answer you require.
  
  Imagine how embarassing for the consultants/employees who did the MoWF’s report on this if that was the conclusion. Do you think the Ministry would hire them again, or promote the involved employees?
  
  That axiom operates both at an individual’s and at a group level and it does so normally, subconsciously. You find the answer you’re looking for, unless you’re self-aware enough to recognise that may happen in yourself and you take conscious action to prevent it, and that hardly ever happens.
  
  Of course it may well be the case a gap exists, but the real question, as always, is why. And the suggestion it’s done for reasons of conscious institutional discrimination across the entire economy in every single industry, is fucking nuts.
  
  And yet this is exactly where this debate is heading, ably assisted by an idiot media full of people way overpaid with bloated egos and lightweight intellects who wouldn’t recognise cognitive dissonance in themselves even if it were painted green and waving its arms at them in the mirror as they brushed their teeth in the morning.
  
  Myth two is that media personalities “invite” people in and therefore deserve their ridiculous salaries. But that’s a complete other story.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:25am
  - PhilBest
    
    There is a YouTube feast of conservative talking heads (often in alternative media) blowing this nonsense apart in the USA. Try Ben Shapiro for just one good example.
    
    Trump is right about “fake news”, and the MSM is thrashing around in denial as their viewers abandon them in favour of sources they can trust.
    
    Where are NZ’s alternatives to the wall-to-wall PC propaganda from the MSM? Kiwis could do worse than to follow some of the good US alternative sources, get their minds opened, and maybe discover for themselves, the NZ-ers who are dishonestly being relegated to the margins of political discourse.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:33am
    - stephieboy
      
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      Extreme irony alert present.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:03am
    - howitis
      
      I note that there have been two things the NZ media have done in the last week.
      
      They have tried to stir up older people against younger people over superannuation – with a significant lack of facts and little mention that the eligibility age moved up by Five years from 1991 to 2001. Fact Free zone.
      
      Then they have tried to set male against female with more false stories.
      
      This is basic Marxism in action:- divide and rule or divide and conquer.
      Segment groups so they fight among themselves and are easier to control and manipulate.
      
      The British Marxists used this successfully in the 1960s and 1970s to set workers against the bosses and create strikes that left long term resentment. Then along came Maggie.
      
      Many reference points for this but one that is concise
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule
      ….Divide and rule (or divide and conquer, from Latin dīvide et īmpera) in politics and sociology is gaining and maintaining power by breaking up larger concentrations of power into pieces that individually have less power than the one implementing the strategy. The concept refers to a strategy that breaks up existing power structures, and especially prevents smaller power groups from linking up, causing rivalries and fomenting discord among the people.[1]….
      
      Look behind the headlines….
      
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      March 11, 2017 11:28am
  - Paulus
    
    Remember it is Election Year !
    Jacinta gets the same as other useless MPs.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      Paulus and your idea of stellar political prospects for the 23rd ?
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:04am
  - itstricky
    
    You can argue that the MoWA have it wrong and are biased, based on x, y and z but I’ll be stuffed if “personal anecdotes” form any more solid evidence than what MoWA have.
    
    I think you’ll also find that they are not arguing that there are specific awards that discriminate.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:15am
    - mikenmild
      
      Don’t wreck Reid’s straw man.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:19am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Hosking talked about the media and fake news the other night, agreeing some NZ journalists were guilty of political bias and fake news. He said he had witnessed it himself. He said that journalists spreading fake news for their own agenda was an issue and a portion of the public had woken up to this fact and that knowledge was now spreading.
    
    It was awesome to hear!
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:29am
    - mikenmild
      
      Hosking, of course, is completely without biases of his own.
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:36am
      - holysheet
        
        Unlike all you leftie snowflakes, Hosking is open about where his sympathies lie.
        
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        March 11, 2017 11:47am
      - Kimbo
        
        1. No one, not media, politicians, researchers, academics, judges, jurors, bloggers are ever free of bias.
        
        2. Competence in media, research, the law, whatever is demonstrated by one’s ability to put aside, or at least acknowledge and take steps to curb one’s bias. Bias may also be present in the media as an editorial stance that is selective in terms of what is reported and what is not. That is legitimate, although for mainstream media there should at least be an attempt at breadth of coverage. But it should never go so far where the “facts” presented are knowingly false, i.e., fake news.
        
        3. Hosking didn’t claim he was immune from bias. According to waikatogirl, he claimed, in an industry in which he has experience and expertise, that bias and, more seriously, fake news were present.
        
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        March 11, 2017 12:53pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Kimbo, I largely agree. I only ask that all facts be given by our so called media so one can make up our own minds. When the media only report largely one side with an obvious bias it becomes increasingly difficult to take their news items seriously, let alone believe anything.
      
      Cynicism is a good thing, at least until all the facts are apparent.
      
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      March 11, 2017 4:44pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Not sure “balance” as measured by fact reporting can ever be achieved as most people have a different idea of what it is. So even what is reported – and what is not – is an editorial choice/value judgement. Hence Kiwiblog makes no such pretence. And I think the multiplicity of media sources and the resulting decline of the MSM means that balance is available in a combined and contrasting variety of sources. But I don’t think any media is obligated to report a balance of facts. Instead they should decide what they consider is newsworthy…and consumers can decide if the particular news source is competent and interesting and reward and/or penalise them accordingly
        
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        March 11, 2017 5:09pm
- mandk
  
  Alison Mau works in a reasonably freely-working market place.
  
  If she didn’t like what TVNZ offered her, she could have sold her services to another TV channel. Or the radio. Or the press.
  
  I suspect the greater problem in her case is simply that she is vapid.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:54am
  - reid3
    
    Yes. You can cure lots of things but stupid ain’t one of them.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:47am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Let’s boil it all down re Ali Mau – there are several very clear factors at play:
  
  1) She is cancer to listeners
  2) As she is cancer to the listeners – she is cancer to advertisers
  3) Advertising revenue is what radio is all about
  4) If you can’t generate advertising revenue as a journo what use are you
  5) If you are no use – why on Earth would you command a premium salary
  6) Mike Hosking creams all the competition – in a hotly contested time slot
  7) Mike’s show is jam-packed with advertising
  8) Mike is therefore paying a fortune for because ROI
  
  If Ali wasn’t such an entitled sexist pig – she could work out the above for herself!
  
  But no, like all insane, lesbian, cultural marxists she plays the victim and blames everyone else for her gross stupidity and incompetence.
  
  (Oh yes – there is the slight problem that she’s an Australian to take into account for her lowly salary – but don’t worry the morons at RNZ who provide inflated tax-payer funded welfare for cretinous journos will pick her up and she can continue on in her sexist, hate-filled bubble in blissful echo-chamber ignorance).
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:02am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Nice DP ☺
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:23am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Thank you PG – love your work 🙂
      
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      March 11, 2017 4:13pm
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    Regardless of all that, for someone of little apparent consequence the interest and emotion in these comments suggests she has a lot of people by the balls.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:55am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      no – she just provides fake news for her colleagues in the fake news industry who believe that their job is to make the news instead of reporting it.
      
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      March 11, 2017 2:54pm
- Viking2
  
  About equality between sexes.
  
  https://www.facebook.com/TheVikingsHaul/photos/a.446142305408838.94800.443389372350798/1259220970767630/?type=3&theater
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:42am
PhilBest

Quote of the new millennium, that all “centre right” political parties should study.

“Winning the argument is more important than winning the election”

– John Howard
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March 11, 2017 8:04am
duggledog

William of Ockham

Humanity will adapt to climate change whether it’s man made or not.

Vast numbers will perish in the process.

Countries such as New Zealand can do nothing about climate change, save strengthen themselves as teeming millions in already hot, overpopulated countries look for somewhere cooler, safer, greener

What will you do when the ships and planes start arriving?
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March 11, 2017 8:06am
- PhilBest
  
  Yes, isn’t it revealing that none of these P.C. “the planet is cooking” alarmists are “pro defence”.
  
  The same people also insist that natural resources are running out, and that our natural resources be left in the ground, as well as that we should have no defence forces. Presumably this is so that the totalitarian countries that don’t leave their resources in the ground, can come and help themselves to ours when they have run out.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:16am
  - SGA
    
    To be practical, Phil – if, in some worse case scenario (which I’m not necessarily advocating), long-term famine, say, hit much of the world, then our chances of defending ourselves against desperate Asian/South-East Asian/whatever countries would be fairly remote no matter how much we could afford to spend.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:20am
    - PhilBest
      
      It would be nice if we had the means of stopping boatloads of refugees at least. An “invasion force” wouldn’t even need to be armed. It would just have to hit the coastline at too many points simultaneously for the “NZ Army” and its 1000-odd soldiers.
      
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      March 12, 2017 7:17pm
- Tirebiter
  
  I’m sorry, but New Zealand couldn’t mount a defense powerful enough to defend its resources if a hungry US or China or Russia or EU decided it wanted a share.
  
  Not to worry, though. No country can do anything about climate change anyway. The problem is not politics, nations, nationalism, or capitalism it is humanity. Of all life forms humans most resemble yeast. Yeast grow, consume, reproduce, and excrete waste in their environment until they excrete enough waste to make that environment inhabitable. Yeast can’t help themselves. Neither can we – as a species. Individuals may be what we consider ‘enlightened’, but so what? It won’t change anything. The vast majority of people, like yeast, can’t help themselves. It might be in our genes – that is for those who accept science as an explanation of the world and not the jottings of some desert crazies millennia ago.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:43am
Huevon

Dusseldorf gets a diversity dividend payment…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/09/several-injured-axe-attack-dusseldorf-train-station/

God willing I see Merkel tried and convicted for treason in my lifetime. Pretty relaxed about the “tribunal”.
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March 11, 2017 8:10am
- PhilBest
  
  I am a bit more sympathetic to Merkel than that. She is Germany’s John Key. If she didn’t sell out to politically correct nonsense and appease the lefty MSM, the country would just have someone even loonier in government. That is the consensus position of this blog by way of excuse for NZ’s own comprehensive sellout post 2008.
  
  The John Howard quote above is outstanding.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:21am
  - PhilBest
    
    I am sure that if we had short-distance overland routes between us and busted-arse parts of the world, John Key National would have spent 3 terms welcoming in refugees en mass to keep the PC talking heads in the MSM happy.
    
    Maybe the pushback in NZ against PC in the mainstream “centre right” party, that still has not happened, might have happened if it had been tested with the mass illegal immigration thing. The hypocrisy is glaring every time our “centre right” establishment obligingly parrots the approved line of condemnation of Trump, Farage, Le Pen, Wilders, etc etc
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:26am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    PhilBest ,well opportunity beckons 23 September for you to from a credible al right tard John Howard party and win the center right .
    
    LOL !
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:27am
    - reid3
      
      And we’re off. The downtick blizzard already starts. 13 so far.
      
      Will stephie set a new record today?
      
      Let’s wait and see.
      
      Isn’t it exciting.
      
      LOL!
      
      Sorry
      
      LOL !
      
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      March 11, 2017 8:37am
      - stephieboy
        
        reid, did a bit of back ground reading about Robert Steele ( some kind of ex CIA operative , Open source intelligence advocate , Libertarian etc ) you linked torecently and I can only conclude the guy is what psychiatrists call a nut .
        
        Quite happy to be down ticked for exposing his and your kind of quackery and nuttery .
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:15am
      - reid3
        
        stephie, I imagine the background reading you’re capable of consists of colouring in books with crayons and parents shouting at you for getting distracted and drawing all over the walls, so don’t bother giving me your opinion in future, as I don’t particularly find it valuable in any way and I never will.
        
        However I definitely enjoy contributing in my own small way to your wretched downtick blizzard you experience day in, day out, by, it appears, nearly every single commenter who comes here, so in that sense, another post from you, no matter how inane, is welcome.
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:21am
  - reid3
    
    She is Germany’s John Key.
    
    You mean in that she’s a traitor to her own people by letting in immigrants who proceed to fundamentally damage the economy without ever asking the country if that’s what they want?
    
    If so, I agree.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:30am
- Inandout
  
  Not another Muslim arsehole with ‘mental issues’. Can’t the news feeders come up with another excuse, it is getting so phony. Are all Muslims bat crazy?
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:27am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Do all Muslims worship a murdering sadistic paedophile?
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:48am
    - Manolo
      
      They do. Five times a day.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:06am
    - mikenmild
      
      Yes, they worship the same bloodthirsty deity described in the Old Testament.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:10am
    - Kimbo
      
      Do all Muslims worship a murdering sadistic paedophile?
      
      Christians worship their religion’s founder, but neither of the other montheistic Abrahamic faiths, Judaism (founded by Moses) nor Islam (Muhammed) do. The doctrine of the Holy Trinity (One God existing in three persons, the Father, the Son who was incarnate as the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit) is one of the irreconcilable separating points.
      
      Question back – how come so many who claim they are seeking to preserve traditional Western and/or Christian values and society from the alleged encroachment of Islamisation are so ignorant of basic historic Christian doctrine? And Muslim theology for that matter too. Hence:
      
      They do. Five times a day
      
      And as you’ve acknowledged before, Manolo, physics, not theology is your strong point, so best to stick to giving out those excellent and much-appreciated book titles
      
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      March 11, 2017 1:10pm
  - kowtow
    
    This week Sweden has had 2 double murders , 2 Albanians shot and killed in a cafe in Basel , the Dusseldorf train station non event and a new level of arson in the burning Paris suburbs.
    Our MSM , so quick to cover police shootings in the US are largely silent.
    The multicultural dividend is paying off.
    
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/08/french-sixth-form-pupils-set-fire-school-run-unprecented-rampage/
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:03am
    - Manolo
      
      The lone wolves are rapidly multiplying, dear kowtow.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:11am
  - holysheet
    
    It’s not called false news for nothing, didn’t you know?
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:58am
  - Sponge
    
    The evil, backward and barbaric religion attracts the mentality ill. what sane person would sign up to something so evil?
    
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    March 11, 2017 11:02am
    - holysheet
      
      Stupidboy for one.
      
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      March 11, 2017 11:48am
      - Sponge
        
        Which proves my point about the mentally ill being attracted to Islam nicely.
        
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        March 11, 2017 4:08pm
lastmanstanding

William. Get over it mate. Always follow the money. Big money being paid to so called researchers to prove an agenda. Take away the big money as Trump is and problem solved.
Climate changes. Weather changes. Always has always will. the agenda here is to make the citizens feel guilty so they part with huge sumes of their hard earned cash to fund the those who seek the cash.

As with most things its all about the money.

Re snowflake Allison. Translation of the conversation was Allie you aint as good as Mike so we cant get as much advertising dollars so we cant pay you as much as him.

Simple really.
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March 11, 2017 8:35am
- mikenmild
  
  Fruitloop alert: “All of the world’s climate scientists are engaged in an elaborate hoax to make money”.
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:12am
  - itstricky
    
    Or….
    
    https://mobile.twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385?lang=en
    
    Surely that’s all the evidence any sane person requires to know it is a plot?
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:32am
    - mikenmild
      
      Hang on, let’s be clear here: is it the Chinese or the venal climate scientists who are responsible for this hoax?
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:34am
      - jonar
        
        Neither, the Obama lizard alien is behind all of this.
        
        http://sites.jmu.edu/ghiaciucfall13/wp-content/blogs.dir/321/files/2013/11/reptilian-obama.jpg
        
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        March 11, 2017 11:05am
  - PhilBest
    
    I wouldn’t say that. I would say that a significant majority of scientists with expertise in climate matters, do not believe that catastrophic climate change will result from human emissions. However, they are forced to keep quiet about it if they want to keep their jobs.
    
    Browsing a leaked copy of the IPCC Report Draft (I have done that) is very interesting. The people actually contributing and reviewing are NOT being represented by the final report and especially the “Summary for Policy Makers”. There is a cabal who were appointed by like-minded people in the initial set-up of the IPCC. These people in the key positions simply ignore what the “thousands of scientists” actually say, including reviewer comments.
    
    The whole process is opaque and secret, and it is only because of leaks that anyone can see for themselves what is going on. Of course the MSM’s “investigative journalists” extremely selective in the kind of leaks they are interested in.
    
    In the early days of the IPCC, it was discovered that US Official Information law required the release of IPCC Drafts and reviewers comments. So what did the IPCC do? Moved from New York to Geneva so the US laws didn’t apply. Yeah, this really, really sounds like people squeaky clean and with nothing to hide.
    
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    March 11, 2017 11:47am
    - mikenmild
      
      In the early days of the IPCC, it was discovered that US Official Information law required the release of IPCC Drafts and reviewers comments. So what did the IPCC do? Moved from New York to Geneva so the US laws didn’t apply. Yeah, this really, really sounds like people squeaky clean and with nothing to hide.
      
      Just commenting on this obvious piece of nonsense. The US Freedom of Information Act applies to US government agencies. It could not, of course, apply to a UN body like the IPCC.
      
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      March 11, 2017 4:14pm
    - krazykiwi
      
      The IPCC’s original charter was
      
      ”to assess on a comprehensive, objective, open and transparent basis the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant to understanding the scientific basis of risk of human-induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for adaptation and mitigation”.
      
      So, not scientific at all. The presumption had been made that humans are changing the climate, and then once the money starting flowing there was no shortage of bureaucrats, scientists, lobbyists and other rent-seekers wanting to postulate on just how much, when and why. Just so long as their grant was forthcoming.
      
      The other thing about that ‘Summary for Policymakers’ is that its conclusions are sometimes diametrically opposed to the so-called science of the main report, more so recently as the confirmation-bias afflicted scientists have found it more difficult to torture the data in order to reach the ‘right’ conclusions.
      
      Canadian journalist Donna Laframboise has done a wonderful job of exposing the IPCC duplicity and, in many instances, bare-faced corruption in pursuit of a pre-determined political outcome.
      
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      March 11, 2017 4:35pm
reid3

Are all Muslims bat crazy?

No. The ones you complain about are just poorly educated young men doing what poorly educated young men would be expected to do were they transported from the hell-hole they grew up in to a country which treats them with open arms and gives them welfare with no expectation placed on them.

If you don’t think this was designed then why are the people you complain about all young men, where are they young women and young families and the well educated Muslims amongst the Euro masses?

And since the above is so profoundly elementary in terms of human nature do you seriously think this is all a surprise to the politicians who have allowed this to happen on their respective watches?

If so then you don’t understand much about the world, do you.
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March 11, 2017 8:35am
- reid3
  
  And why don’t any of you who complain ever blame the people responsible for the mess. Why do you always but always simply blame the useful idiots, the dumb animals, who are simply doing what is expected of them by the people who are really to blame?
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:45am
Longknives

Auckland Cup at Ellerslie abandoned Dammit!
Curse this ‘Global Warming’…
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March 11, 2017 8:41am
Manolo

stephieboy will rejoice:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4301096/Trump-Palestinian-President-Abbas-hold-talks.html
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March 11, 2017 8:43am
- reid3
  
  Yes but given Trump’s Israeli ties do you really expect anything to come of it?
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:46am
  - Manolo
    
    Zero will be the outcome.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:47am
    - reid3
      
      Which is what I just said.
      
      That’s what they do – Clayton’s talks. The talks you have when you’re not really having talks.
      
      Sheeple buy it of course and always lament they never go anywhere despite how tremendously keen poor widdle Iswael was on making peace but the bastard Palestinians just sabotaged them, yet again.
      
      ….
      
      Aren’t sheeple just simply the very biggest, most tremendous dumbfucks amongst the living population in the entire known universe, including single-celled amoeba’s, and plants.
      
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      March 11, 2017 8:54am
  - PhilBest
    
    I reckon Trump might give Abbas some tougher talking-to than any western leader has before…
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:03pm
lastmanstanding

May I digress. The new Health and Safety Act is about to send a shiver down the spines of the Left and those in our society who have been raised on the principle of ‘It aint my fault. Dont blame me. Dolly did it”

You see the H&S Act now places responsibility on all in a workplace not just the Manager as the old Act did.

So if as an employee I fail to follow procedures and I and or my fellow employees are injured then I face severe fines and a prison sentence.

Watch the snowflakes squeal like stuck pigs when the first cases come to Court and they find out that in the real world there are real consequences for your actions or inactions.

Cant wait.
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March 11, 2017 8:44am
- Viking2
  
  Probably never happen. Lefties don’t prosecute lefties.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:54am
- peterwn
  
  An employee was fined some years ago under the old legislation. He travelled about 50km to an electrical substation then realised he had not brought a suitable ladder so he improvised. He slipped and got a 33,000 volt shock which he survived (fortunately protective equipment similar to a RCD operated very quickly). He was successfully prosecuted by OSH and no action was taken against the employer. Apparently the employment relationship was already strained and he was too scared stiff to return to base to get the ladder.
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:44am
- Disaster Area
  
  ‘So if as an employee I fail to follow procedures and I and or my fellow employees are injured then I face severe fines and a prison sentence.’
  
  Hasn’t this always been the case?
  
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  March 11, 2017 10:05am
Paulus

I see that the new Mayor of Auckland is now proposing to build a new sports stadium on the Auckland waterfront – thought I heard that before from the outgoing member for Wainuiomata.
Expect it will be called “Goff Legacy Stadium” – and Auckland ratepayers will pay for it, no matter how it is dressed up.
Serves Auckland Ratepayers right – they elected the twit.
Am an ex Aucklander, and do not even like Rugby so go for it.
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March 11, 2017 8:46am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The word you were looking for perhaps, is twat, twit just does not cut it.
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:28am
- marcw
  
  Last week – Auckland has a $4billion infrastructure deficit – Mayor Goff.
  
  This week – Auckland needs a new waterfront sports stadium – Mayor Goff
  
  Which of the above 2 statements is correct?
  
  You voted for him …
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:51am
- waikatogirl
  
  The left love ’empire building’ to themselves with other peoples money.
  
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  March 11, 2017 10:43am
reid3

Question for the lefties who don’t believe Trump was bugged in Trump Towers.

Given that Flynn’s leaked conversation with the Russian Ambassador took place in Trump Towers, how did that happen if he wasn’t being bugged?
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March 11, 2017 8:51am
- Inandout
  
  Trump was wise to get rid of Flynn considering the shit that is now emerging on the latter.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:58am
  - reid3
    
    No that was his biggest mistake to date. It let the deep state scent blood.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:17am
  - Ross12
    
    What would that be Inandout ? ( I did read the rubbish Guardian piece with it’s misleading headline)
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:21am
    - Inandout
      
      It was on Fox, something about receiving monetary benefits.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:49am
- stephieboy
  
  reid , the issue is did Obama personally order Trump’s phones to be wire tapped as the later claimed .
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:21am
  - reid3
    
    No that’s not an issue at all stephie because if you really hallucinate the sitting POTUS would not be informed of and would need to authorise such if a POTUS candidate from the opposition party was going to be tapped during a Presidential campaign then you’re a bigger idiot than I thought you were, and I already think you’re a pretty big idiot.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:30am
    - stephieboy
      
      Donald J. Trump ✔@realDonaldTrump
      How low has President Obama gone to tapp my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!
      1:02 AM – 5 Mar 2017
      
      53,052 53,052 Retweets 162,964 162,964 likes
      
      Sigh !
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:58am
      - reid3
        
        Yes, sigh indeed stephie.
        
        What pray tell does your above actually demonstrate?
        
        Do you think anyone here hasn’t already read that tweet?
        
        So fucking what?
        
        In other words.
        
        You still don’t know what I’m asking, do you.
        
        You still think your repetition of data people already had for simply ages, is shedding new light on the issue, don’t you.
        
        Sigh!
        
        Sorry.
        
        Sigh !
        
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        March 11, 2017 11:37am
      - holysheet
        
        Hang in there Reid3. Don’t let the bugger get you down. This piece of trash is just not worth the effort.
        
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        March 11, 2017 11:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        holyturd , speak for yourself.
        
        reid , do you have information and evidence that Obama personally ordered a wire tape on Trump’s phones during the election campaign ?
        
        Yes or No ?
        
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        March 11, 2017 12:09pm
      - holysheet
        
        Unlike you and your stupidboy clan, I do speak for myself and no one else.
        
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        March 11, 2017 12:42pm
  - Paulus
    
    No, plausible denial.
    “I know nothing !”
    He would be more of a idiot not to know, but cannot be seen to be involved – oldest argument in the world.
    Obama is well protected.
    
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    March 11, 2017 11:03am
    - stephieboy
      
      Paulus , just quietly focus on the evidence and facts and not duck behind an allegation !
      
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      March 11, 2017 11:32am
      - reid3
        
        Such as the fact Flynn made his phone call from Trump Tower and since it was leaked, that therefore no-one can claim that Trump Tower was not being surveilled stephie?
        
        You mean facts like those?
        
        You don’t, do you.
        
        You still think the fact Flynn made the leaked from Trump Tower means absolutely completely nothing, don’t you.
        
        Fuck you’re dumb.
        
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        March 11, 2017 11:39am
      - stephieboy
        
        reid , I try to stick to evidence and facts . Not nonsense conspiracy theories and surmise like Robert Steele and you .
        
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        March 11, 2017 12:14pm
      - Nev.
        
        ……I try to stick to evidence and facts .
        
        Wow!
        
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        March 11, 2017 1:38pm
      - reid3
        
        Yes indeed.
        
        Wow.
        
        It’s not his fault tho Nev. Even the best wurzenflugels in the world – Russian ones – are clearly unable to cope with anything more than elementary English, such is the level of base material they’ve got to deal with.
        
        DARPA’s already told me they’ve overheated so many times today the discombobbulation ratio is sitting at an unbelievable 7.68. An eight is enough to put a rip in the space-time continuum and no-one really knows what the hell is going to happen if that happens.
        
        I’ve urged DARPA to pull the plug many times but apparently the Deep State want to keep pushing the envelope until they get a breakthrough, but as you can see for yourself, we’re nowhere near that.
        
        I’ll keep you posted if there are any developments.
        
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        March 11, 2017 2:24pm
- MCos
  
  Here’s something you might like to read. Seems very plausible to me, but somehow I doubt if it will get much traction with conspiracy theorists https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/03/02/flynn-kushner-met-russian-ambassador-trump-tower-december/jthFfRdI7xXbPNEE8vUNiL/story.html
  
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  March 11, 2017 10:03am
- PhilBest
  
  Newt Gingrich asked the same thing on TV the other night, and the host said “good point!!! I guess that’s why we invite you onto these shows….”
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:05pm
krazykiwi

Rain + mud = mountain bike time!
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March 11, 2017 8:53am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  krazykiwi, sure why not give it a try ,
  
  http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/326343/record-rain-causes-slips-and-power-outages
  
  LOL
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:19am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Resulting in A & E visit + ACC
  
  Today’s distraction brought to you you by the letter A
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:30am
  - krazykiwi
    
    Not today PG. Just improved cardiovascular capacity, increased strength, better VO2 uptake, reduced cholesterol, less body fat … and quite a bit of mud in my ears 🙂
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:33pm
Inandout

Aucklanders would make good masochists, the number of times they vote for pain.
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March 11, 2017 8:56am
Happychappy

Looks like Hone met his match on Thursday night when Chris Bishop showed NZ that the Leader of the Mana Party can lose his rag when fronted with some home truths. Hone and the inept Moderator Paddy Gower showed just how much they were out of their depth in what credibility they bought to their Party or employer in the debate.
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March 11, 2017 9:10am
- niggly
  
  Talking of Hone, I had the misfortune of something taxpayer funded called “7 Days” being on TV quietly in the background last night and lo and behold Hone was their guest and the panellists gave him the bro handshake and laughed at his jokes denigrating the Govt (ya know an actual Govt that can run an economy and provide real employment) and how they laughed when Hone said this is the only show in which he can say “motherfxxker” on TV without getting into trouble which he did.
  
  Couldn’t help feeling Hone is well known as despising “honkies”, which presumably went over the adoring leftie panellists heads that most of them actually were!
  
  And to think the taxpayer funds this shit courtesy of NZ on Air?
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:56am
  - mikenmild
    
    1. God forbid that the panellists laugh at jokes on a comedy show.
    2. It’s not compulsory for you to watch.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:59am
    - niggly
      
      1. My bad, Hone wasn’t making “jokes”, he was being deadly serious!
      2. Trust me I didn’t, well apart at glimpsing a couple of minutes of it only because I thought “is this for real” (and will Hone smack the South African panellist? It looked like Hone instead asked the panellist next to her to humiliate her, which he obligingly tried to do so)??
      
      Fortunately I can’t whinge about the rest of Hone’s segment because the missus turned off the TV I think because she was tiring of me laughing my head off about Hone and the panellists antics and the incredulousness of the interview!
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:08am
      - sooty
        
        What’s this Seven Days you are talking about?
        
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        March 11, 2017 10:16am
      - mikenmild
        
        The time God took to make the world (including rest day).
        
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        March 11, 2017 10:22am
      - niggly
        
        It’s an unusual place where NZ’s finest comedians make limp wristed efforts in mocking people they align with politically but turn the sarcasm levels to high against people they don’t align with politically.
        
        Oh and although it didn’t occur on 7 Days (it was on another TV3 current affairs programme in which Jeremy Corbett and another comedian used to have a two minute slot taking the piss), the 7 Days host Jeremy Corbett gave a big up’s sign (as in “you da man”) in relation to Homebrew singer Tom Scott (ya know the guy that sang about raping John Key’s daughter).
        
        7 Days and Jeremy Corbett – left wing rape culture supporting hypocrisy at its finest!
        
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        March 11, 2017 10:32am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      2 unfortunately it is compulsory to pay, that is the issue!
      
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      March 11, 2017 1:47pm
  - howitis
    
    7 Days get a Million Dollars a year in taxpayer funding
    It was funny for the first 3 or so years. I have not watched in over 3 years now.
    It is mainly retread radio DJs that ‘think they are funny’.
    When I last watched there was some real plonkers and a morbidly obese South African lesbian.
    This Saffa woman was not buying illegal guns like their other one.
    
    It is TV3 after all.
    US has Comedy Central.
    With TV3 NZ has Marxist Central
    
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    March 11, 2017 11:55am
  - RF
    
    Corbett is so pathetic.
    
    I am surprised he is still around as his ratings have always been lower than shark shit.
    
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    March 11, 2017 11:57am
reid3

This is fascinating and profound. Every parent needs to watch this. And anyone else who has an interest in what makes people tick. It’s a professor explaining (10 mins) how our perception shapes our lives and societies.

It’s not political and it’s not conspiratorial, it’s just an extremely interesting observation of how our world works, what our kids being bought up in the digital age are learning, and how it will change their perspective on life from the pespectives we all had.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3oIiH7BLmg
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March 11, 2017 9:16am
reid3

Public Service announcement #4

stephie’s daily downtick blizzard is off to a roaring start with a score to date of 5/40 = 0.125 mind approval rating: i.e. for every 1 person who likes stephie’s mind, 9 don’t.

Sorry stephie, but numbers don’t lie.

P.S. I’m not really sorry.
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March 11, 2017 9:28am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  It has stopped raining here for a minute reid, take a break, go outdoors, breathe out through your mouth, be grateful for what you have secure in the knowledge that the stephiebots will still be here when you get back
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:34am
  - mikenmild
    
    Maybe Reid could spend a few hours tabulating the popularity of stephieboy’s comments over the last two years (or more) and report back on the results. Obsessed much?
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:37am
    - reid3
      
      No not at all mm, merely a small amusement on a rainy saturday.
      
      However I note of course you take the opportunity yet again to sneer at yet another little thing, rather than make an apposite observation.
      
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      March 11, 2017 9:57am
Jack5

Interesting interview on Stuff with a moderate, intelligent NZ Muslim, Hazim Arafeh.

Some of what he says is reasonable, but when it comes to women, the achilles heel of Islam, here is the writer, Anthony Hubbard, reporting the views of Mr Arafeh about Western critics of Muslim women’s facial coverings:

“They have misinterpreted the use of the burqa completely. The burqa or niqab is nothing more than extra protection that a woman may choose to use if she finds it necessary for her to protect herself.

“And it’s all related with the modesty and the humbleness that a Muslim woman should show when she gets out of her house. It’s not a prison at all.”

As a matter of fact, he says, “Islam is the first religion in the history of humanity which gave women rights”.

The Qur’an, Arafeh says, gives women equal rights to property, education and leadership.

Many Westerners will balk at this. Aren’t women in Saudi Arabia, for example, clearly second-class citizens?

Religion is one thing, he replies, and cultural traditions another.

That’s one even the raving Stephies haven’t used yet. The rapes in Sweden and Austria and Germany are “local customs”????

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/90185841/national-portrait-hazim-arafeh
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March 11, 2017 9:41am
- kowtow
  
  As expected the “journalist” who wrote that suffers from Trump derangement syndrome.
  
  “Still, the number of “incidents” seems to be rising since Trump came along. This summer a pig’s carcass was dumped on a property in Blenheim earmarked for a mosque. The woman next door got rid of the pig and told Muslims she was appalled.”
  
  So if these “journalists” can itemise the anti Muslim stuff why won’t they itemise the positive things that have happened in New Zealand in just the last few years due to the Muslim presence here.
  
  Law changes re travel and surveillance, 40 odd on the SIS watch list, ex refugee in Aus convicted for terror intent , at least one killed abroad engaging in genocide, sexual assaults, plane hijacking etc?
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:52am
- Viking2
  
  https://www.facebook.com/TheVikingsHaul/photos/a.446142305408838.94800.443389372350798/1221719581184436/?type=3&theater
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:54am
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘if she finds it necessary for her to protect herself.’
  That says a lot about Muslim men doesn’t it.
  
  ‘In the religious address on adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilali said: “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it … whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?’
  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/muslim-leader-blames-women-for-sex-attacks/news-story/d8b6a183c6a976752cb07be532543afd
  
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  March 11, 2017 10:00am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , a silly remark by the cleric if there ever was one .
    
    Like one of our own Brian Tamaki claiming homos were responsible for the Kaikoura quake .
    
    Whats your position by the self confessed Trump supporter on the issue ?
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:08am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Given your propensity for being a perving creep who leers at young girls in Malls and porn online, I’m not surprised women would want to cover up- around you.
      Does Hazim Arafeh know you?
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:10am
    - Inandout
      
      Muslim clue: ‘homos’, an archaic term used before homosexual law reform to denigrate gay community. I can imagine stephie chewing the fat at the mosque, and discussing ‘those degenerates’ who endanger Islam.
      
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      March 11, 2017 3:55pm
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      Yes, stephieboy, it was a silly remark, but it’s also the corollary of the ‘moderate, intelligent’ Muslim’s view that the burqa is “nothing more than extra protection that a woman may choose to use if she finds it necessary for her to protect herself … related with the modesty and the humbleness that a Muslim woman should show when she gets out of her house.”
      
      The clear implication of this view is that women who don’t wear burqas are immodest, arrogant sluts just asking for it, that women are responsible for men’s actions.
      
      Pictures of urban women in Egypt, Afghanistan and Iran from 40 years ago show large numbers of them wearing western dress – short skirts and uncovered hair and faces. Now they don’t, and the change is mostly involuntary and oppressive for women.
      
      Reputedly (legitimate adverb use, Kimbo), some decades ago, after a spate of late night rapes in Israel, the male cabinet supported a curfew for women; Golda Meir squashed that by recommending a curfew for men.
      
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      March 11, 2017 4:22pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Quite right. “Reputedly” in context gave necessary clarification (you are acknowledging the claim is not verified), so it is neither unnecessary nor excessive. In contrast, if you had used “certainly” it would have been both excessive and unnecessary as a fact is a fact. And extra points for referencing Kimbo’s law ?
        
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        March 11, 2017 4:51pm
      - Inandout
        
        Old Iran, the women are free.
        
        http://all-that-is-interesting.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/shah-iran-tehran-students-copy.jpg
        
        And now.
        
        http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/20/25D8404800000578-2961238-After_the_1979_Iranian_Revolution_the_hijab_was_enforced_again_a-a-8_1424432904279.jpg
        
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        March 11, 2017 5:42pm
  - GoVege
    
    Not just Muslim men, AOR.
    Many places in the world it is very risky for females to travel alone.
    Most non-western cultures regard women as chattels and they are fair game if they have no males to protect them.
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:03pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      Outback Australia seems to harbour a significant number of weirdo men intent on abducting women for their own creepy enjoyment.
      
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      March 11, 2017 12:52pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , the rape rampage claims in the the said countries are grossly exaggerated relying on second or third hand tabloid sleaze accounts like elocal.
  
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  March 11, 2017 10:02am
  - Scorpion
    
    Actually you are wrong and spreading deliberate lies and misinformation again.
    
    It is so out of control
    wikipedia has pages and pages on them
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes
    
    This was the deliberate hunting of white christian
    australian woman by gangs
    
    Rest Assured it has not “got any better” since then
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:10am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scorpian , from your link-
      
      “The Sydney gang rapes were a series of gang rape attacks committed by a group of up to fourteen Lebanese Australian youths led by Bilal Skaf against Anglo-Celtic Australian women and teenage girls, as young as 14, in Sydney Australia in 2000. The crimes, described as ethnically motivated hate crimes by officials and commentators,[1][2][3] were covered extensively by the news media, and prompted the passing of new laws. The nine men convicted of the gang rapes were sentenced[when?] to a total of more than 240 years in jail. According to court transcripts Judge Michael Finnane described the rapes as events that “you hear about or read about only in the context of wartime atrocities”
      
      That was 17 years ago . Any repeat like rampages in Australia or here. ?
      
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      March 11, 2017 11:13am
      - Scorpion
        
        Quite a few Physical almost daily attacks
        and do not forget the 14 preventative raids
        to prevent terrorist attacks
        
        When rapes are not happening they can
        always try and pipe bomb a woman
        mothers day fun run for breast cancer.
        
        as they attempted recently
        
        That was the raid before the raid that stopped
        the bomb attack on the Melbourne Cathedral
        Fed Square “Multi Cultural Centre”and Flinders
        Train Station
        
        Last “merry christmas”
        
        LIAR AND SCUM BAG
        
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        March 11, 2017 2:35pm
  - Scorpion
    
    Actually you are wrong and spreading deliberate lies and misinformation again.
    
    It is so out of control
    wikipedia has pages and pages on them
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_gang_rapes
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:11am
    - stephieboy
      
      Bot out of control. That was 2000 . Any other similar Muslim gang rapes and rampages in OZ or here ?
      
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      March 11, 2017 11:15am
  - kowtow
    
    The Local is very anti Trump and pro inbound migration.
    
    “Five teenagers convicted of raping a boy in Uppsala are to be deported, an appeals court has ruled, partially overturning a previous verdict which said they should stay in Sweden.”
    
    https://www.thelocal.se/20170308/court-orders-teens-who-raped-boy-to-be-deported-uppsala
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:14am
    - stephieboy
      
      kowtow, yes The Local seems to perform a useful task informing in regard to Trump’ and Breitbart’s misinformation and lies about Sweden and Muslim migrants and refugees ,
      
      https://www.thelocal.se/20170225/sweden-fires-back-at-trump-with-facts
      
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      March 11, 2017 11:23am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Well done stephie – 4 or 5 of your comments downticked into oblivion before 10 o’clock.
    Must be some sort of record. 😆
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      Don The Kiwi ,its worth it !
      
      “The truth is messy. It’s raw and uncomfortable. You can’t blame people for preferring lies.”
      
      ― Holly Black,
      
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      March 11, 2017 11:26am
      - reid3
        
        No stephie, that only applies when you say something that makes sense.
        
        Which you don’t.
        
        Ever.
        
        Which is why you get the downtick blizzard. Every. Single. Day.
        
        You’re not a warrier for the oppressed fighting injustice for people who can’t stand up for themselves, you know.
        
        You think you are, but what you actually are is an ineffective irritant despoiling actual debate on the most popular political blog in the land.
        
        It’d be fine if you made some actual observations that had legs, like tricky does, but you never do.
        
        So don’t delude yourself it’s because you’re a lefty. It isn’t.
        
        So the fact is stephie, you’re a waste of valuable space which you really should leave for other people who actually have a mind, because while you might actually have one, none of us ever see it in action. It’s DOA stephie, it doesn’t work, it’s about as enlightening as a black hole, your mind.
        
        Hope that helps but know it probably doesn’t.
        
        All hail the downtick blizzard. It’s the only value you add here stephie, the ability for all of us to exercise our righteous judgement and have a giggle, watching you sink further and further into the abyss of disapproval, day after relentless day.
        
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        March 11, 2017 11:49am
  - realityczech
    
    “the rape rampage claims in the the said countries are ”
    
    … based on official police reports.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:00pm
- Inandout
  
  Oh these Muslims lie so convincingly don’t they? Imagine the cold look Hubbard would have got if he has asked Arafeh “what are your views on homosexuals”, or “do you think Mohammed cartoons should result in the death penalty?”
  
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  March 11, 2017 10:02am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inanout , it would be better if you consulted with Brian Tamaki .
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:10am
    - Inandout
      
      Just a bit of humour for you Moskillites-
      
      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/89/82/5b/89825b87adaa545af187d2fc10cb1b94.jpg
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:19am
- Twinkletoes
  
  AS usual, the guy was lying thro’ his teeth. Sunni Sharia Law mandates the burqa under its section on Women’s Obligatory Clothing.
  
  If he is of another sect (Sunnis are the largest) he should have explained that.
  
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  March 11, 2017 10:20am
  - mikenmild
    
    Sunni Muslims do not universally wear burqas.
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:31am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      Splitters!
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:55am
- Huevon
  
  If this “moderate” Muslim had published this interview in a morning newspaper in Cairo or Lahore, he would be dead by the afternoon.
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:06pm
- realityczech
  
  Jack, no doubt you have a place in paradise for supporting the hatreds of the “chosen ones” although they regard you as ~~cattle~~ goyim.
  
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  March 11, 2017 7:58pm
wiseowl

Sad to hear cartoonist Bill Leak died yesterday of suspected heart attack.
Only 61.
Obviously stressed out from the attack on him over 18c.
Such a nice guy.
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March 11, 2017 9:52am
- Inandout
  
  The poor bugger was hounded over this cartoon which was truly accurate-
  
  https://twitter.com/axmcc/status/760958277551173632/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
  
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  March 11, 2017 5:51pm
Scorpion

RED ICE RADIO

https://redice.tv/red-ice-radio/in-the-jaws-of-the-dragon-how-china-is-taking-over-new-zealand
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March 11, 2017 10:04am
- Rodney Randall
  
  So Key met with Chinese businessmen aka Chinese Communist Govt agents to remove the union jack from our flag in exchange for millions.
  
  If this true Key is a treasonous sellout bastard
  
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  March 11, 2017 11:03am
  - Scorpion
    
    It is much worse than that Mate
    this Blog is the propaganda arm of
    the National Socialist Party of NZ
    Working with the Chinese Communist Party
    
    Nothing Kiwi About this blog
    
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    March 11, 2017 2:28pm
mikenmild

There was some discussion the other day about misleading links. This link today on the Stuff homepage:
‘Kiwi rich-lister in UK gay pub fight’
The actual headline:
‘Kiwis asked to lend support to fight for iconic UK gay pub’
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March 11, 2017 10:28am
reid3

The Washington Post
December 22, 1963 – page A11

Harry Truman Writes: Limit CIA Role To Intelligence

http://www.maebrussell.com/Prouty/Harry%20Truman%27s%20CIA%20article.html
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March 11, 2017 10:36am
RF

Looks like the French connected has disconnected.

Chemical Ali Williams will soon be landing at an airport near you.

Another criminal returning to New Zealand.

Will Kelvin Davis be there to meet him ?
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March 11, 2017 10:39am
Happychappy

For all you Winston fans out there it looks like the Fat Whale is in your corner and seems to have burnt his bridges with National and throwing all his support behind Winston. How can you lose when you have one of the top fourteen conservative political sites on the web backing you. The only problem I can see is every thing Whale touches seems to turn to shit and expects loyalty his way but does not think he needs to respond the same.
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March 11, 2017 10:55am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The guy is a knob, I read his blog and some of the sycophant responses, I like the map of the day and the funny thing that comes after 6.00 as well as the feature that is about some oddball, mostly American, person or event.
  
  All that, I think he is still a knob.
  
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  March 11, 2017 1:59pm
Chuck Bird

I just heard on the news that Little is talking about getting rid of negative gearing for rental property. I wonder if he would take it away for commercial property or businesses?

If he actually did that there would be a lot less rental properties. I wonder if any in Labour or the Greens have thought of that.
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March 11, 2017 11:07am
- nasska
  
  ….”If he actually did that there would be a lot less rental properties”….
  
  Agreed BUT there wouldn’t be any less properties actually housing people as there’s be more owner occupiers.
  
  Could be one of Little’s better brain farts.
  
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  March 11, 2017 11:30am
  - Viking2
    
    naaska, what have you been drinking and smoking this morning.
    Builders would stop building. Banks couldn’t finance people who just have a like to have as opposed to earning their place in the housing.
    
    Disaster all round but then Little wants to build 100,.000 houses in the next ten years, which of course the taxpayer will pay for. You can make a voluntary donation to his cause if you fell strongly that you want Little and the State to do that.
    Just leave the rest of us out please.
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:12pm
    - nasska
      
      Don’t see where you’re coming from V2. I wouldn’t vote for Little & his queer mates for punishment but I fail to see how knocking out negative gearing is going to make any difference to what gets built.
      
      New home builds are normally for owner occupiers so wouldn’t be affected. Rental housing is normally sourced from existing stock in a process where suburbs change from people who have a pride in their own properties to run down hellholes of lowlife renters. There are exceptions but few.
      
      I admit that private home ownership is a hobby horse of mine but please explain what I’ve got wrong.
      
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      March 11, 2017 12:23pm
- Happychappy
  
  Chuck he’s not going to raise Taxes also so can you tell us where he is going to obtain all the money for what he has already promised.
  
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  March 11, 2017 11:47am
  - nasska
    
    He’ll print it. We’ve had sufficient years of low inflation for the electorate to have forgotten what spiralling wage/prices are actually like.
    
    Then after one or two terms of economic horror National will be re-elected to sort out the mess just like every other time the socialists have held power.
    
    Rinse & repeat…..it’s the NZ way.
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:11pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    The same place Donald Trump will.
    
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    March 12, 2017 7:51am
- Viking2
  
  You are asking if Little thinks?
  
  Very unlikely.
  
  That would cause a plunge in the building industry as houses got sold off.
  The big question would be at what rate of interest would a particular property become negatively geared and how will Little keep interest rates at or above that rate?
  At what level of rent would the house become negatively geared?
  What will many business owners do for funding if they get tangled up in this rubbish.
  Oh the banks will just love it. Crank up the interest to business rates as they once used to do.
  
  Litlle is a shit for brain idiot.
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:08pm
- Huevon
  
  From what Ive seen, banks want 50% plus equity for commercial property mortgages. So not likely.
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:08pm
  - holysheet
    
    Banks will lend up to 60% of the registered value on commercial buildings. I have just gone through this exercise.
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:49pm
Paulus

Sadly Whale has become infused with knocking a couple of leading National Party Ministers with which he disagrees, to a sad extent.
But it is his blog so he can do and say what he wants.
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March 11, 2017 11:10am
- Happychappy
  
  It started with John Key, Murray McCulley, Bill English, Stephen Joyce, Woodhouse, Simon Bidges, Nick Smith and others and I know its his site but have you ever thought that National won’t speak to him so he has thrown his toys out of the cot as the saying goes.
  
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  March 11, 2017 11:58am
Fletch

If you thought Obama would do what most ex-presidents do and move away from Washington and enjoy retirement, you were wrong. Apparently, he has set himself up in a mansion in Washington, Valarie Jarrett has moved in with him (the same woman who held great sway in his Administration), and they are working with organizing groups to try and bring down Trump.

Just one week before Trump was inaugurated, then President Obama issued an extraordinary executive order, a reckless departure to longstanding policy, to allow the NSA to share with the FBI, CIA and 14 other intelligence agencies which continue to employ numerous Obama holdovers, the raw data and communications intercepts of private American citizens—collected without warrants, court orders or congressional authorizations. A plausible reason for Obama to issue this executive order at the end of his office was to set the stage for sabotaging the new government. Obama’s executive order effectively created and formalized a “conveyer belt” leak mechanism, setting the stage for a “rolling coup” against the Trump administration.

Political correctness remains so dominant in language and culture in the U.S., that no one dares utter the word sedition. Unbeknownst to most Americans, Barack Obama is the first ex-president in 228 years of U.S. history to structure and lead a political organization, a shadow government, for the explicit purpose of sabotaging his successor—duly elected President Donald Trump. The primary vehicle of this campaign is Organizing for Action (OFA), legally founded in January 2013 by First Lady Michelle Obama and her husband’s 2012 campaign manager Jim Messina, with input from David Axelrod.

Many have wondered why Obama didn’t follow the tradition of almost every other ex-president and depart Washington after his term was up. Instead he moved into large home in Washington D.C.’s Embassy Row, allegedly to provide continuity for his daughter’s education and to stay close to the shapers of his presidential legacy. Those reasons are likely secondary to his vision and commitment to the “transformation” of America. Ramping up a hydra-headed organizational effort through OFA out of his 8,200 square foot walled mansion in Washington to protect the Left’s gains and to sabotage the electoral victory of Donald Trump is simply a natural progression for Obama.

As Paul Sperry writes in the New York Post, “Obama has an army of agitators—numbering more than 30,000—who will fight his Republican successor at every turn of his historic presidency. And Obama will command them from a bunker less than two miles from the White House.” Obama’s OFA Washington HQ is now the nerve center that coordinates 250 offices nationwide, which together with its Chicago-based sister organization, the Community Organizing Institute (COI), are planning to facilitate the “training [of] more than 2 million youths in Alinsky street tactics” and carry out plans “to stage 400 rallies across 42 states to attack Trump and Republicans over ObamaCare’s repeal.” This week, London’s Daily Mail, reported that “Barack Obama’s close confidante Valerie Jarrett has moved into his new DC home, which is now the nerve center for their plan to mastermind the insurgency against President Trump.”

http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/powell-obama-organizing-action-and-death-throes-democratic-party

Obama is nothing but a fn seditious a-hole.
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March 11, 2017 11:45am
- reid3
  
  Yes his background in being an organiser and that’s what he’s good at. Soros evidently is getting a bit sick of his lightweight approach to things but no matter, he’s a useful tool which they’re going to be using this summer when Berkeley’s erupt all over the US.
  
  Jarret is poison BTW. People should look into her. She was behind the Iran deal (which paradoxically, for me, was a good move because Iran is not a threat and never has been). But her and Obama’s motives for it is where the poison comes in and most of you hallucinate that since Iran, in your mistaken minds actually IS a threat, then it was a bad thing. Is why I mention it as a motivation for you to do some research. I think it was Madsen who wrote a good acticle on her, so try googling those two names together.
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:00pm
  - stephieboy
    
    reid,
    
    “..She was behind the Iran deal (which paradoxically, for me, was a good move because Iran is not a threat and never has been). do you think Trump has the mental comprehension to understand that ..” ??
    
    Do you think that Trump and his inner circle (or even you ) can actually comprehend that ?
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:29pm
- reid3
  
  This is aposite.
  
  Bringing Chaos to America: Obama “Running A Shadow Government” From Washington DC
  
  http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2017/03/bringing-chaos-to-america-obama-running-a-shadow-government-from-washington-dc-2659415.html
  
  If you don’t believe it, then what is your explanation going to be when riots do break out all over the US this coming summer?
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:14pm
  - stephieboy
    
    reid3 , Obama running a shadow government ?
    
    Rubbish !
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:20pm
    - reid3
      
      stephie that’s about an as insightful and penetrating rebuttel as your usual:
      
      LOL!
      
      Sorry
      
      LOL !
      
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      March 11, 2017 12:25pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Actual evidence and facts that Obama is actually setting up a shadow government apart from your loony link ?
        
        The T Files: Everyone is a conspiracy theorist
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11816201
        
        LOL !
        
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        March 11, 2017 12:31pm
Fletch

The #1 best selling book on Amazon at the moment is called Reasons To Vote For Democrats: A Comprehensive Guide. And yes, it is totally blank pages.

https://www.amazon.com/Reasons-Vote-Democrats-Comprehensive-Guide/dp/1543024971/

😆 Too funny.
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March 11, 2017 11:49am
Ross12

The piggy banks must be getting low on funds

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-09/g-20-document-shows-governments-retreating-from-climate-funding
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March 11, 2017 12:00pm
- holysheet
  
  This a direct flow on affect of Trump stopping all US funding of the shysters in the global warming scam.
  If Trump can do it then why not the rest of them. Not before time either.
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:53pm
  - Nev.
    
    EPA being ordered to focus on clean water and air is the long awaited start.
    Nev.
    
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    March 11, 2017 1:08pm
- stephieboy
  
  Ross12 , a Trump administration hellbent on retreating into a fantasy world .
  
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  March 11, 2017 1:06pm
MCos

Make of this what you will.
Sean Spicer replying to a question regarding monthly job numbers
“I talked to the president prior to this, and he said to quote him very clearly: ‘They may have been phony in the past, but it’s very real now.'”
Maybe the White House should be renamed Fawlty Towers
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March 11, 2017 12:05pm
- reid3
  
  Don’t you know they have been underreporting unemployment for decades?
  
  That’s basic US economics 101. There is reams of material on what they do to achieve that under reporting.
  
  Trump said he was going to fix that. That’s obviously where the quote is coming from.
  
  What about any of those extraordinarily well known and elementary facts don’t you understand?
  
  Or do you just ignore those facts which don’t match your pre-determined ideological position?
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:10pm
  - MCos
    
    Spicer was of course referring to the monthly job reports, not unemployment figures
    
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    March 11, 2017 1:21pm
    - reid3
      
      So they’ve been lying about those two, in that the majority of them are low paid hourly rate part-time service worker jobs, not full time jobs that you and I think of when we think of “employment numbers.”
      
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      March 11, 2017 3:10pm
      - Fletch
        
        They infamously don’t count the people who have totally stopped looking for work, and don’t use the more realistic “U-6” unemployment rate.
        
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        March 11, 2017 4:02pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It’s a quite interesting point that MCos raises about the monthly job reports, which Reid claims were previously lies.
        
        242,000 jobs added in February 2016 were described as ‘disappointing’ by the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee. That same congressman describes the 235,000 jobs added in February 2017 as a ‘good sign our economy is moving in the right direction’.
        Earlier job reports – 288,000 in June 2014 or 252,000 in December 2014 were described by the RNC (Preibus and Spicer) as ‘medicority’, or ‘it’s disappointing to realize that millions of our fellow Americans think the American Dream is slipping away.’ Today, they described the lower number as ‘great news for American workers’.
        
        I was puzzled about this until Reid pointed out that the Obama administration had been inventing the numbers.
        
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        March 11, 2017 4:33pm
Nev.

Human rights lawyer Amal Clooney urged Iraq and the world’s nations on Thursday not to let the Islamic State extremist group “get away with genocide.”
The wife of actor George Clooney, who represents victims of IS rapes and kidnappings, told a U.N. meeting that what’s “shocking” is not just the group’s brutality but the “passive” response by the world’s nations to the campaign to investigate its crimes and bring the perpetrators to justice.
She urged Iraq’s Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to send a letter to the U.N. Security Council so it can vote to set up an investigation into crimes by the group in Iraq where IS once controlled about 40 percent of the country’s territory but is now being routed by government and coalition forces.
“Justice is what the victims want …” Clooney said, “but justice will be forever out of reach if we allow the evidence to disappear, if mass graves are not protected, if medical evidence is lost, if witnesses can no longer be traced.”
Clooney expressed frustration that nothing has happened since she came to the U.N. six months ago seeking accountability for victims of the Islamic State group, also known by the acronym ISIS and the Arab name Daesh.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/9/amal-clooney-dont-let-islamic-state-get-away-with-/
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March 11, 2017 12:32pm
- holysheet
  
  Has George left the US yet. I recall him and all the other snowflakes saying if Trump was elected they would all be leaving. Another bullshit threat from them?
  The only ones fleeing are all the illegal mussies who know the law is coming for them.
  
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  March 11, 2017 12:56pm
  - Nev.
    
    His wife seems to be on the right side of history.
    Good luck getting any UN action on oppression of women though.
    
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    March 11, 2017 12:59pm
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    holyturd , not in the list of these celebs ,
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3927506/Celebrities-promised-leave-Canada-decide-stay-just-coincidence-Trump-planning-tax-cuts.html
    
    Did Clooney actually say he would laeve the US with a Trump victory ?
    
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    March 11, 2017 1:13pm
    - calendar girl
      
      stephie, I confess that I down-ticked you at 1:13pm after reading your first word (“holyturd”), and chose not to read the rest of your comment.
      
      I assume that you regard your ever-so-witty mis-naming of other commentors as riotously funny. But it’s not, it’s just childish, as are a great proportion (not all) of your comments in general. When will you grow up?
      
      You persist in giving two very deliberate fingers to our good host’s express wishes expressed in his Comments Policy: “Give other commenters the courtesy of referring to them by the name or alias they use on this blog.” I know that others here play similar games with your own nom-de-plume (I sometimes call you stephie, but as an abbreviation, not an insult), but why can’t you rise above such silly stuff and actually engage in meaningful debate?
      
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      March 11, 2017 8:09pm
      - pentwig
        
        Because it has no brain to engage in meaningful debate CG.
        It is a troll.
        
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        March 11, 2017 9:04pm
- Sponge
  
  She urged Iraq’s Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi to send a letter to the U.N. Security Council
  
  Yep that will do the trick…..
  
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  March 11, 2017 1:08pm
- reid3
  
  Believe it or not the deep state were considering Clooney as a POTUS candidate. Regardless of what you think about that and I suggest you just file it away and watch him over the next four years to see if becomes politically active, his support of Killary clearly marks him out as a member of the opposition to all right thinking humans.
  
  Therefore I strongly doubt his wife is doing anything more than setting up a meme. Incidentally, interesting she’s making a political statement, isn’t it.
  
  The funders of ISIS are Qatar and Saudi Arabia and the trainers, logistics suppliers and military directors are the US, Israel, Turkey and NATO.
  
  The US just airlifted a couple of ISIS commenders from the Mosul theatre.
  
  For instance.
  
  If you don’t know this the data is all there, it just requires an open mind.
  
  Morons who buy the Western propaganda line that Wussia and Sywia are the baddies, are clear and apparent idiots. And all you need to do to prove this is to observe what Russia and Syria have been doing to fight them, while the US has stood by and worse, actively obstructed.
  
  A lot of ISIS fighters were involved in the Libyan campaign, and that was NATO, wasn’t it.
  
  Destroying the best educated, most stable and peaceful country in North Africa.
  
  Ghaddaffi warned back in I think 2007 that if Libya was destroyed Europe would see the waves of immigrants we are seeing.
  
  For instance.
  
  As I say, the data is all there.
  
  All you need is an open mind.
  
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  March 11, 2017 1:09pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Believe it or not the deep state were considering Clooney as a POTUS candidate
    
    Pulled directly from your arse, like your famous claim that the Republican race had been rigged for Jeb Bush.
    
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    March 11, 2017 1:14pm
    - reid3
      
      It was at the time I told you that.
      
      What about the elementary logical truism that a plan that doesn’t work out doesn’t therefore mean there was no plan in the first place, don’t you understand?
      
      Apparently, a great deal.
      
      With thinking like that mm, it’s no wonder the WCC is tanking so badly in all directions.
      
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      March 11, 2017 1:32pm
  - stephieboy
    
    reid ,
    
    “..The funders of ISIS are Qatar and Saudi Arabia and the trainers, logistics suppliers and military directors are the US, Israel, Turkey and NATO…”
    
    You need to get a handle on your out of control deluded thinking .
    
    Thus the US led forces attacking ISIS stronghold of Mosul is all fake?
    
    Sheesh !
    
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    March 11, 2017 1:16pm
    - reid3
      
      You need to get a handle on your out of control deluded thinking stephie.
      
      Just because someone does something for public consumption doesn’t mean they’re serious about doing it and it doesn’t mean they didn’t cause it in the first place.
      
      Thus the US led forces attacking ISIS stronghold of Mosul is all fake?
      
      No I didn’t say that and anyone who concluded that from what I did say is either a liar or a complete moron.
      
      Which one are you, stephie?
      
      Sheesh!
      
      Sorry.
      
      Sheesh !
      
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      March 11, 2017 2:12pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Have another go . Tell us what is your trying say .?
        
        ISIS, “.. military directors are the US, Israel, Turkey and NATO…”
        
        When it is so bleeding obvious ,
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-mosul-battle-offensive-iraq-militants-islamic-state-a7588191.html
        
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        March 11, 2017 3:18pm
- krazykiwi
  
  No time for that. The UN is a little busy just now, adopting resolutions against Israel.
  
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  March 11, 2017 3:22pm
Nev.

Four Michigan high school students were suspended after demonstrating against a pro-immigration banner on campus by holding up their own handmade “Trump” and “Build the Wall” signs, which eventually led to a heated, yet nonviolent, argument among students.
Video obtained by local ABC affiliate WZZM showed four male students at Grand Rapids Christian High School kneeling in front of a banner that reads, “Immigrants are a Blessing Not a Burden.” Just as they start to take their pro-President Trump signs out of their pockets and hold them up for a photograph, a teacher rushes over to stop them. WZZM reported that the teacher proceeded to rip up the signs, though that alleged incident was apparently not caught on video.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/10/4-michigan-students-suspended-after-their-pro-trum/
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March 11, 2017 12:51pm
Nev.

See no evil: Liberals refuse to see themselves as hypocrites

For too long, the liberal left has been hiding behind a guise of compassion and inclusivity. They claim to care about the forgotten man and pretend to have tolerance for people of all backgrounds, races, religions and political beliefs. Yet, time and time again, their actions prove otherwise.

They portray themselves as open-minded members of society, but their tones quickly change when someone disagrees with them politically.

Dare to disagree with a liberal and you will often be faced by an intolerant, uncaring and sometimes even violent person.

A group of Trump supporters at the University of California-Berkley’s #March4Trump were quickly thrown into the middle of this liberal hypocrisy when attempting to peacefully exercise their First Amendment rights. Several of the Trump supporters ended up being assaulted, including an elderly man who collapsed to the ground, and a free speech sign and flags were photographed being burned.

Outrageous. This isn’t North Korea. But, unfortunately, what happened at Berkley serves as just another example of liberals claiming to be proponents of diverse thoughts and beliefs, while never actually following the tolerant words and ideas that they consistently preach.
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March 11, 2017 12:57pm
Viking2

Secret message for the stehiebots.

https://www.facebook.com/FlyingFeetsFarm/photos/a.368929366514005.82796.368730883200520/1459829517423979/?type=3&theater
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March 11, 2017 1:14pm
reid3

Public service announcement #5

Midday update:- downtick blizzard

stephie’s currently on 31/420 @ 25 posts = 0.07 mind approval rating: i.e. for every 1 person who likes stephie’s mind, a whopping 70 people don’t.

Plus a batting average of 16.8 downticks per post.

Sorry stephie, but numbers don’t lie.

P.S. I’m not really sorry.

It’d be good to pretend it might get better through the arvo, but sadly, for you, I fear it almost certainly won’t.

P.S. I don’t really fear that, either.
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March 11, 2017 1:28pm
- mikenmild
  
  I don’t know which is sadder: Stephieboy’s comments or Reid’s trainspotting obsession with counting the downticks.
  
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  March 11, 2017 1:46pm
  - reid3
    
    I don’t know which is sadder, stephie’s continual stupidity or mm’s continual sneering.
    
    Actually, I find them both quite amusing, in their own, somewhat pathetic little ways.
    
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    March 11, 2017 2:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      reid , all it proves that there some seriously duluded folk ( like you 31 /240 etc ) who enjoy Conspiracy theory fetishes and weird ideas of the kind I linked to earlier ,
      
      “Deep State’ is the latest US conspiracy theory you need to know about”
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11815778
      
      Again why the weirdness by you ?
      
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      March 11, 2017 3:29pm
Fletch

The IRS magically finds 6,924 new documents related to a FOI suit brought by Judicial Watch regarding the targeting of conservative and Tea Party groups back in 2013.

http://www.redstate.com/scotthounsell/2017/03/09/magic-irs-finds-nearly-7000-documents-related-tea-party-targeting/
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March 11, 2017 1:42pm
- reid3
  
  Yes, lefties never seem to think their perfidy will one day, be exposed, do they.
  
  Seems to be a common trait.
  
  Mind you, with the media as it is, I suppose they can be forgiven for thinking that.
  
  Lulled into a sense of security that sadly, turns out to be false.
  
  Oh the humanity!
  
  LOL!
  
  Sorry.
  
  LOL !
  
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  March 11, 2017 2:03pm
Kimbo

The Black Caps finally got a wicket after letting about four chances slip by in the morning session. You can moan all you want about incompetent umpires, or a crap review system, but if you don’t take the opportunities, then you have no one to blame.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/new-zealand-v-south-africa-2016-17/content/story/1086372.html

South Africa, 114-3, with their first innings deficit 81-3. Interesting day’s play in prospect. Another 30 overs before the new ball – if we need it – and South Africa will be looking to chew-up time and grind it out at about 2 runs/over on this two-paced wicket rather than accelerating the scoring, so could be one of those fascinating days of test cricket that is incomprehensible to non-cricket addicts! 😉
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March 11, 2017 2:42pm
- Nev.
  
  Wagner is swinging the ball beautifully.
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  March 11, 2017 3:13pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Heart as big as a pumpkin. But the way we are missing catches, getting incorrect umpire calls and miss-calling reviews…the only way Wagner is going to get a wicket if he knocks all three poles out of the ground with a swinging yorker! And even then they will probably call it a no-ball 😉
    
    They dropped Elgar (hundred in the first innings, now a fifty in the second) a few overs ago as well – off Patel. Don’t we want to win?!
    
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    March 11, 2017 3:16pm
    - Nev.
      
      We just need a couple of brilliant pieces of cricket and we are still in this. If SA are still batting in the final session, we will be looking at a draw.
      
      Batting collapse notwithstanding.
      
      Will be at the Basin this coming week for Kanes 17th century. Or 18th assuming he doesn’t score one tomorrow.
      
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      March 11, 2017 3:28pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Reliability will satisfy me -and I’m sure Mile Hesson! Plus teams that rely on brilliant pieces of cricket can’t be trusted. Pakistan springs to mind!
        
        New ball due in about twenty overs, and they should only be leading by about 160 by that time. But it is a tough wicket to score quickly on, so any chase over 200 and with forecast weather interruptions, it will be hard. I always think, though, that South Africa, for all their talent, tend to be too conservative/risk averse. Is why they lose more often than not to Australia, even though on paper they have better teams.
        
        Oh, yes – and if and when we do bat again, I wouldn’t discount Williamson getting another hundred. If we have to bat out time, then other than Latham and Watling he is our only proven option.
        
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        March 11, 2017 3:37pm
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  Sorry but judging by the forecast and the rain radar, I doubt there will be any play on the final day (Sunday). A credible draw, both teams can take a point.
  
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  March 11, 2017 4:30pm
Manolo

Send the illegal back to the land of tango:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/argentine-woman-facing-deportation-protest-freed-175550595.html
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March 11, 2017 3:07pm
Chuck Bird

The debate is an hour forty but well worth watching. Gower was wrong for blame Chris Bishop for pointing out Hone’s attendance in Parliament or use of his credit card. I am sure if Shane Jones was in a debate and someone brought up the porn videos he would not resort to swearing let alone a physical threat.

Patrick Gower: I lost control of an insane debate

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/03/patrick-gower-i-lost-control-of-an-insane-debate.html
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March 11, 2017 3:16pm
- Inandout
  
  It was all National’s fault apparently.
  
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  March 11, 2017 5:57pm
- Happychappy
  
  If Hone had been winning the debate or foul mouthed rant Paddy would have let it go but Chris Bishop gave Hone a lesson in if you are going to slag National or me make sure you have no skeletons in your closet.
  
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  March 12, 2017 6:34am
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    It would have been funny if Hone had actually assaulted Chris as Chris would have decked him. Hone would only attack someone his match if he had backup.
    
    I think Chris inadvertently helped Winston by winding Hone up. It showed the need for a binding referendum on the continuation of the racist Maori seats.
    
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    March 12, 2017 7:59am
reid3

From Russia, with Panic

…the election-hacking panic was a stateside extension of the battle first joined on the ISP frontiers of the Georgia-Russia war. Impressionable journalists and Democratic party hacks who ignore this background do so at their peril—and ours.

https://thebaffler.com/salvos/from-russia-with-panic-levine#
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March 11, 2017 3:17pm
- reid3
  
  Did the downtickers actually read the article?
  
  Would be good to know what argument they have against the thesis if so.
  
  Silence will be taken as “no, I didn’t, I suffer from cognitive dissonance and I don’t care if we get into a thermo-nuclear war over lies, because the MSM hasn’t told me I’m going to die, so I don’t think I will.”
  
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  March 11, 2017 5:45pm
Manolo

Removing the minions, cleaning the stables:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/10/sessions-asks-all-obama-era-u-s-attorneys-to-resign/
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March 11, 2017 3:32pm
reid3

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD; CIA, MOSSAD, MI6; SWEDEN

According to a Swedish government report, the Muslim Brotherhood is creating a ‘parallel social structure’ in Sweden, aided by ‘political elites’, making it impossible to criticise Islam.

dailymail

According to CIA agent Miles Copeland, the CIA cooperates with the Muslim Brotherhood, the Muslim mass organization founded in Egypt.

redmoonrising.com/BritIslam

The CIA allies with the Muslim Brotherhood against moderate, secular Arab governments.

The UK’s MI6 used the Muslim Brotherhood against Nasser of Egypt and against the moderate rulers of Syria.

In Syria, the CIA armed the Moslem Brotherhood which was fighting against the ruler of Syria.

Israel funded the Muslim Brotherhood.

redmoonrising.com/BritIslam.

The main purpose of the Muslim Brotherhood is to help Israel create its Greater Israel.

MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD WORKING FOR ISRAEL.…

Obama of course, as I’ve been telling you for years, is MB. and of course, Huma has deep family connections to it as well.

http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.nz/2017/03/muslim-brotherhood-cia-mossad-mi6-sweden.html
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March 11, 2017 3:41pm
- Inandout
  
  Huma almost had it, but Hillary lost. That Muslim bitch would have controlled ailing Hillary like a puppet. Christ, the USA was close to being shackled by sharia law.
  
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  March 11, 2017 6:01pm
  - reid3
    
    Sharia Law would have been the least of its problems, had Killary got in.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:16pm
reid3

Public service announcement #6

Mid-arvo update:- downtick blizzard

(number) = as it was last update

stephie’s currently on 31/593(420) @ 28 posts = 0.05(o.o7) mind approval rating: i.e. for every 1 person who likes stephie’s mind, a whopping 90(70) people don’t.

Plus a batting average of 21.1(16.8) downticks per post.

Sorry stephie, but numbers don’t lie.

P.S. I’m not really sorry.

It’d be good to pretend it might get better through the arvo, but sadly, for you, I fear it almost certainly won’t.

P.S. I don’t really fear that, either because evidently, according to the numbers, it just has.

To save mm from having yet another sneer (because I care about him more particularly his face lest the wind change), I’ll explain why I’m doing this, what may appear to some, somewhat cruel posting series.

As many of us know to our peril, stephie has a habit of putting words in our mouths and pretending we have either said something we haven’t, or that because we have said something, that therefore, according to stephie, we therefore have to believe (whatever the hell he comes up with in that rats-nest he calls his own mind), and he proceeds to write his post as if that’s what we’ve actually said we really do believe.

I find this a totally outrageous debating “tactic” and I’m not the only one. As we know, Maggy has a simmering ongoing dispute with stephie, holysheet is another, I’m sure there are many others.

I have found it so outrageous that twice now I’ve lost my usual placid outlook and used the forbidden c word on him, knowing that it will probably earn me a ban, which it has.

But I don’t much like being banned, because I happen to think, as I daresay everyone here also thinks, that what I have to say is relevant and if pursued, would increase one’s understanding of the world. It’s not an ego thing, it’s a helping thing. (The apparent fact people here don’t much want my help, is not my problem. You will see as this year unfolds, how right I have been on the things I’ve been saying.)

But this is why I daresay, most people are here. They think their posts will amuse, enlighten, whatever, so why the hell not, it’s a free world.

But with a disruptive personality like stephie, which DPF is evidently either ignorant of in terms of his tactics, or unwilling to reign in; what is to be done by our community?

Humiliation is a wonderful social control mechanism. One of Tony Robbins’ tapes has the wonderful vignette that some people are so frightened of being humiliated via public speaking, they’d rather die. They prefer death to humiliation, he said.

No-one including me obviously, wants stephie to die. But we do need him to change his behaviour, period. End of discussion.

Don’t we.

Since he’s been here, making his trite and numberous daily gadfly droppings, the quality of debate has changed, and not in a good way. Half of it is about what the idiot has just said and why he’s an idiot. Who cares about this dummy, when the rest of us are looking at the most fundamental changes we’ve seen in the world since we were born. Some of you may not know it but what’s happening in the US and about to happen in the French election and what happened with Brexit, is as significant an adjustment in the global power base as the American and French revolutions were. And the last thing therefore we need on this channel at this monent is a profound idiot creating nothing more than what is essentially signal interference: the snow you used to see on the TV. That’s what he does.

Perhaps stephie can change. Certainly he needs to drop his execrable tactic which offends so many of us who have been victims of it. That’s the first thing he needs to do, bottom line. Now. Yesterday.

And perhaps he may even start making effective, penetrating insights. That’s optional, in my book. I happen to think he’s capable of it, because he clearly understands the left, more understanding of which would be most welcome here, certainly from me. (And note stephie and mm, this is not the first time I’ve said that about you stephie, lest you or mm think this is nothing but attacking you.) But that’s up to him, he like everyone here has the right to chose his style, his technique, his words, his contribution. Trite or significant, it doesn’t really matter.

So that’s why I’m doing this, and I’ll continue doing it, day after day, for as long as I feel like doing it.

Just thought you’d like to know.
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March 11, 2017 5:41pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Reid:
  
  Stephieboy said in his 9.15am comment:
  
  Quite happy to be down ticked
  
  I imagine Stephieboy is “[q]uite happy” to see that a number of his comments now look like this:
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  
  Oh, and as for William of Ockham, I’ve noticed that he likes to post the first comment of the day and then bugger off. No interest in staying for debate. That’s classic troll-like behaviour.
  
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  March 11, 2017 5:55pm
  - Kimbo
    
    William of Ockham must be taking lessons from Nukuleka…
    
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    March 11, 2017 6:00pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Kimbo:
      
      Kiwiblog can be entertaining – like a book with a complex plot and even more complex sub-plots. Oh, speaking of which, did you ever manage to reconcile your differences with Chuck Bird and Scott?
      
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      March 11, 2017 6:05pm
      - Kimbo
        
        No.
        
        And they can run, but they can’t hide 😉
        
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        March 11, 2017 6:06pm
      - Kimbo
        
        On a more serious note, Nostradamus, and I ask you as Kiwiblog’s resident chronicler, any confirmation available that “Kimbo’s law” has achieved meme status? 😉
        
        Paulus Gnome and Don the Kiwi are now consciously referencing it unprompted, and the latter applied it correctly (justified adverb!) today too. Surely (!!!) that counts?!
        
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        March 11, 2017 6:14pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        any confirmation available that “Kimbo’s law” has achieved meme status?
        
        I’m pleased to confirm that Kimbo’s law has achieved legendary status – 53 results and only 2 false hits:
        
        Throughout Kimbo’s law enforcement career
        
        Kimbo’s Law by Michael and Tony
        
        So, unofficially, you’re a legend on Kiwiblog. Now, before you start fretting that your law deserves recognition by a broader audience, remember the path to global domination starts with humble beginnings!
        
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        March 11, 2017 6:26pm
      - reid3
        
        So what the hell is this, Kimbo. Do tell.
        
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        March 11, 2017 6:29pm
      - Kimbo
        
        So, unofficially, you’re a legend ~~on Kiwiblog~~ ~~on the internet~~ in your own mind.
        
        There. Fixed that for ya! 😉 But what do you mean “unofficially”?! Unnecessary adverb if ever I saw one! But thanks for that link. You know you can quote me as a reference if you ever apply for any archivist position.
        
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        March 11, 2017 6:34pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Kimbo:
        
        But what do you mean “unofficially”?! Unnecessary adverb if ever I saw one!
        
        It’s Kimbo’s law in reverse – I’m just messing with your mind!
        
        You know you can quote me as a reference if you ever apply for any archivist position.
        
        Well, now that you mention it, there’s never a perfect time to ask, but if you ever need to fill a vacancy on your pub quiz team, I’d potentially be interested in securing one of those coveted spots. I’m rubbish at trivia, but I always contribute in the word puzzle segment. Oh, and I promise to fetch the drinks in between rounds!
        
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        March 11, 2017 6:39pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes! You had me at “I’m pleased to confirm that Kimbo’s law has achieved legendary status” 😉
        
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        March 11, 2017 6:47pm
  - reid3
    
    Stephieboy said in his 9.15am comment:
    
    Quite happy to be down ticked
    
    That’s because the fool thinks he’s fighting for injustice on behalf of those unable to fight for themselves Nosty.
    
    Apart from the fact that if he is in fact doing that he’s making a complete hash of it, I also suspect his “victims” would be horrified to find out what he’s doing, on their behalf, to “help” them.
    
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    March 11, 2017 6:21pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”the fool thinks he’s fighting for injustice on behalf of those unable to fight for themselves”…..
      
      You are much too kind Reid. Stephieboy interrupts the flow of discussion & chooses to be a childish pain in the arse for a reason.
      
      That is that he enjoys being a pain in the arse along with the attention it brings.
      
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      March 11, 2017 6:46pm
      - reid3
        
        To date I’ve put it down to his lefty desire to correct the balance based on the lefty hallucination all conservatives are at heart, evil, selfish people.
        
        I’ll bear your perspective in mind. Deliberate disruption of good hearted and innocent conservative debate with malice aforethought certainly matches the palpably evil and underhand lefty mindset.
        
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        March 11, 2017 7:51pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  which DPF is evidently either ignorant of in terms of his tactics, or unwilling to reign in;
  
  I emailed DPF yesterday about stephieboy’s harrasment whereby he associates my name with disreputable beliefs.
  I did it solely for DPF’s files.
  I’ve learnt over the last couple of years that a complaint about someone abusing me does not lead to any modification of the abuser’s behaviour.
  Unless there is closer moderation of DPF’s rules, I reckon commenters here just have to suck up the abuse.
  
  I would warn anyone posting here not to give out any information that could lead to their identification.
  
  But why is stephieboy so fascinated with me and you?
  That question has been occupying my mind for all of five minutes…. Do you think he fancies me ?
  (I’m sure he’s not my type…but I’m getting to the age where I can’t be too particular).
  
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  March 11, 2017 6:37pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Maggy:
    
    I noticed that Stephieboy linked you with neo-Nazi organisations and then (the next day) denied what he wrote and, to add insult to injury, said: “I suggest you learn to get over yourself”.
    
    AgentBallSack, in his trademark style, said:
    
    stephie is like a monkey sitting in a cage flinging shit at passers by. It amuses him no end. I am not sure if he even realises how abusive he is being.
    
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    March 11, 2017 6:52pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Thankyou for linking to stephieboy’s crap.
      I must learn how you do this….
      
      It will make things much easier if I ever put all the nasties together in one post…..
      
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      March 11, 2017 6:55pm
      - reid3
        
        Maggy you just use tags to mark up your text as you type it in the comment box.
        
        I’m using [ ] to show you how it works because real tags disappear, but all you need to do is replace the [ and ] with left and right arrow keys (i.e. the cap characters on your keyboard with the keys that have the “,” and “.” symbols).
        
        So bold looks like [b]this is the text I want to make bold[/b]
        
        Italic looks like [i]text[/i]
        
        A link looks like [a href=”the link you copy from the address bar of your browser”]text that turns blue[/a href]
        
        HTML stands for hypertext markup language, in other words, you just mark up the text and the browser interprets the mark up when it displays it to others.
        
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        March 11, 2017 7:33pm
      - reid3
        
        Let’s see if I can find [a href=”http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_10_march_2017.html#comment-1887500″]another odious[/a href] comment
        
        using the arrow keys, looks like:
        
        Let’s see if I can find another odious comment
        
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        March 11, 2017 7:59pm
      - reid3
        
        Bear in mind wordpress doesn’t like you if you put lots of links into a single post, three used to be the max but this new version DPF updated to I think it’s round five, anymore and you get put to mod because silly old WordPress thinks it’s spam.
        
        Computers can be used for clever things but they’re incredibly dumb when it comes to making judgement calls.
        
        Until AI comes along and puts us all out of work, then they’ll be even dumberer.
        
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        March 11, 2017 8:12pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @reid
        
        thanks for the odious link…
        
        I thought I had done it properly; I can do italics and bold…… but maybe tomorrow….too stuffed tonight.
        
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        March 11, 2017 8:28pm
      - reid3
        
        You probably have a space somewhere Maggy, but just copy that odious into the comment box and replace with the arrows and it should work.
        
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        March 11, 2017 8:40pm
  - realityczech
    
    “I emailed DPF yesterday about ”
    
    He only shuts down those critical of people he knows around Welly, and those who are not radical nut job Zionists.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I don’t want anyone shut down… but if things turn to custard, I don’t want someone saying that they didn’t know what was going on and that no-one had ever brought defamatory abuse to a moderator’s attention.
      
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      March 11, 2017 8:24pm
  - pentwig
    
    Maggie
    steffie is only interested in your over whelming brain.
    Be very careful, it has shifty eyes and letches at young girls in cafes.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:29pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Oh damn…never mind…
      someone in Gizzy has just won $6.5M…
      
      I’m sure he/she would love to become acquainted with a desperate old lady…
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:05pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    Maggy, I am sure he does not fancy intelligent women.
    
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    March 11, 2017 9:51pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I dont read anything he says. Its a bit like the Mad Bint. I just down tick and scroll on. Much the same for Griff although I have read some of his reposts to me, which I down tick and then move on. I never reply to Griff, W of O, Stephie or the ultimate of deranged, Gabby ( Being missing him recently, any one know if he found his arse and got his head stuck up it yet?). I have seen too many reasonable people try in vain to argue with these types. It’s a waste of time.
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:21pm
Viking2

Natalie Akoorie
Natalie Akoorie is a reporter at the NZ Herald based in Hamilton.
Jacinda Ardern in the poo for installing her own loo
12:45 PM Saturday Mar 11, 2017

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Labour deputy leader Jacinda Ardern has been given a warning for replacing her own toilet instead of getting an authorised plumber to do the job. Photo / File.
Labour deputy leader Jacinda Ardern has been given a warning for replacing her own toilet instead of getting an authorised plumber to do the job. Photo / File.

Jacinda Ardern’s foray into DIY has been a flash in the pan after an Auckland resident complained that Labour’s deputy leader installed her own new toilet.

Justin Will complained to the Plumbers, Gasfitters and Drainlayers Board in February after reading a media report that Ardern replaced her own toilet at the home she shares with television personality Clarke Gayford in Point Chevalier.

The board investigated and chief executive Martin Sawyers this week told Will that Ardern had apologised for her error and the case was closed.

In some parts of Auckland, including where Ardern lives, it is illegal to install a toilet unless the work is carried out by an authorised plumber.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11816473

talk about stupidness in regulations.

You couldn’t make this shit up except in Auckland.

Granting privilege to plumbers just so they can charge you more.
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March 11, 2017 5:51pm
Viking2

ah fuck can’t edit a new post.
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March 11, 2017 5:52pm
- reid3
  
  Not if you reload the page.
  
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  March 11, 2017 6:30pm
RF

Woke up this morning to News Talk ZB, Jamie Mackay’s morning roundup.

Angry was being interviewed and as much as I tried I could not follow what he was trying to talk about. He spoke so quickly on the verge of stuttering and did not give clear concise answers.

I know some who speaks in a similar fashion and that was the result of serious face trauma and a reconstruction of his lower jaw.

I just cannot see Angry on the world stage mixing with leaders such as Trump. He is just a joke….
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March 11, 2017 6:47pm
- mikenmild
  
  Trump, of course, is no joke…
  
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  March 11, 2017 6:53pm
- reid3
  
  I just cannot see Angry on the world stage mixing with leaders
  
  Can you see MLP doing it either?
  
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  March 11, 2017 6:59pm
  - reid3
    
    What’s the bet the downtickers don’t know what MLP means.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:23pm
    - RF
      
      MLP. Just needs a good hard ride with plenty of whip…..
      
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      March 11, 2017 10:56pm
- Nostradamus
  
  RF:
  
  Stacey Kirk commented on this 2 weeks ago:
  
  Sitting in Ardern’s election night camp last night, what I saw was a room full of happy faces, granted. But minutes after Little arrived, he stood in a huddle with MP Phil Twyford and Ardern in the centre of the room. Ardern quickly peeled off and continued working the room, while the odd person came up and talked to Little. He eventually did that same, but it’s clear he’s not the natural Ardern is, and former Prime Minister John Key was without trying.
  
  The challenge for Little is to find a way to engage with people. He comes across as an awkward nerd who joined the high school chess club but who otherwise had a boring high school life. Labour will try to use social media to make him look “cool” – I’m not sure many people will buy it.
  
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  March 11, 2017 7:00pm
  - reid3
    
    Labour will try to use social media to make him look “cool”
    
    Man I hope they do. There’s nothing so transparent or pathetic as someone uncool trying to be cool. You either have it or not, and if you think you have it, you don’t have it. And people know.
    
    Maybe the National Party should buy Labour a leather jacket, sunglasses and a room with a jukebox, where Andy can lounge around practicing how properly and convincingly to say “heyyyyyyyyyyyyy” while Jacinda walks round dressed like Pinky Tuscedero.
    
    Maybe they could try bashing up a few policy nerds, do a panty raid on the parliamentary library etc.
    
    Plus National could (mis)use its massive power to ~~ask~~ make the GCHQ surveil the whole thing and release it to Dotcom a coupla weeks before the election.
    
    What d’ya reckon?
    
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    March 11, 2017 7:11pm
  - RF
    
    Nostradamus…
    
    Just proves time and time again… Angry just has not got it…..
    
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    March 11, 2017 10:58pm
reid3

Trump’s having another bad day.

Mattis has nominated an MB supporter for a top Pentagon role:

President Trump’s defense secretary wants the Pentagon’s top civilian job to go to a onetime prominent supporter of ousted Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood, a group Trump may designate as a terrorist organization.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/10/mattis-pentagon-pick-seen-as-supporter-muslim-brotherhood-group-trump-may-outlaw.htm.html

What Steele said is coming to pass, you should listen to this guy. As an endorsement for him, stephie think’s he’s an idiot. That surely means the opposite is the case.
http://phibetaiota.net

On MB previous today, see http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/03/general_debate_11_march_2017.html/comment-page-1#comment-1888445
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March 11, 2017 6:53pm
- realityczech
  
  President Trump’s defense secretary wants the Pentagon’s top civilian job to go to a onetime prominent supporter of ousted Egyptian President Mohamed Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood”
  
  Morsi was installed and supported by the filthy animal Obama. Under the guise of “regime change” The disgusting black beast was sending him a shipment of F-16s when the country rebelled and removed his dictatorship. You can google every claim I made, reported even in msm.
  
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  March 11, 2017 8:12pm
  - reid3
    
    Yeah I know it’s a shocker ain’t it. Why the fuck does he want to give $50 billion more to an agency that can’t even win a war against a bunch of A-rabs and which wastes more than that in any given year?
    
    Because he don’t know everything, is why.
    
    So he needs good staff.
    
    And he hasn’t chosen the right ones.
    
    Yet.
    
    And he’s our only, repeat only, hope.
    
    We’re living in interesting times people.
    
    If you don’t yet know what that means, the imminent economic calamity might give you some idea.
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:28pm
stigie

Im sure this buzzard would be suited to the CBD of Eketahuna, im led to believe there’s a good decent bloke up there that’s retiring shortly and could spend all day chewing the fat and bringing the regions finest feed for his horse Barney..?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/90297030/Lewis-Stanton-serves-Nelson-City-Council-with-400-000-claim
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March 11, 2017 7:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  There’s some bizarre stuff in that article:
  
  Stanton’s claim lists the Nelson City Council, the Attorney General and SPCA as defendants, with the Attorney General included on behalf of police.
  …
  The claim also covers $159,000 of parking fines issued to Stanton when he parked his horse and cart on Bridge St in 2014. When he couldn’t pay it, he was ordered to do community work which he refused to do as “a matter of principle”.
  …
  Zindel [a pro bono lawyer assisting Stanton] said Stanton would “prefer to settle and to compromise but sadly little has happened along those lines recently”.
  
  The mind boggles!
  
  Another way of looking at it, Stigie, is that you’ll now understand how Auckland ratepayers feel about being forced to fund Auckland Council activities in defending Penny’s frivolous claims – including defamation lawsuits that she can’t be bothered turning up to court for!
  
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  March 11, 2017 7:18pm
  - nasska
    
    Separating a man from his horse is a crime against nature. John Wayne would have shot up the council offices with his six guns.
    
    I hope Lewis bankrupts the mangy cat cuddlers of the SPCA. 🙂
    
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    March 11, 2017 7:28pm
    - stigie
      
      “John Wayne would have shot up the council offices”
      
      Im led to believe that John Wayne would have shot up the sheriff too Nasska..?
      
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      March 11, 2017 7:32pm
  - realityczech
    
    a. The parking laws did not include horse and carts. Only registered vehicles.
    
    b. The council spent hundreds of thousands of rate payer money to persecute Stanton to keep the local old-boys-network and pricks-with-money, happy.
    
    What crime is committed when a member of the public occupies a public space ? Who is the “wronged” party ?
    
    Eat shit and die fascists
    
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    March 11, 2017 8:07pm
    - nasska
      
      Spot on RC.
      
      From memory the horse was confiscated by the SPCA on the flimsiest of pretexts. They alleged lack of drinking water but gave out no specifics. If you watered stock the way animal activists demand the bloody things would grow fins & gills.
      
      I’d wager heaps that someone in the businessmen’s assn has called up a favour or otherwise lent on the sob sisters down at the SPCA.
      
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      March 11, 2017 8:26pm
stigie

So true Nostra but at least ole Lewis has one thing going for him…he doesn’t steal like Penny Bright !~
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March 11, 2017 7:28pm
gump

Oh dear! The Economist magazine has just published figures showing that NZ house prices are now the most unaffordable in the entire world.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/money/2017/03/new-zealand-housing-most-unaffordable-in-the-world-the-economist.html

It will be interesting to watch what happens when the tide starts going out again.
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March 11, 2017 9:02pm
- reid3
  
  Imagine how affordable they would have been had Key not let all the Chinese in, without asking us if that’s what we wanted.
  
  Re: interest rates. It’s such a thin margin now one tiny rise will see immediate distress, two will see thousands of people forced to sell, three will see demonstrations in the street, four will see demands to change the govt.
  
  This is what he did sheeple.
  
  And it’s your fault.
  
  I told you.
  
  You didn’t listen.
  
  Now your children get to become bankrupt.
  
  And it’s your fault.
  
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  March 11, 2017 9:31pm
rightoverlabour

I see the fun NAZIs are at it again..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/90328641/pram-ban-at-black-caps-dunedin-test-match-sparks-calls-of-foul-play

My suggestion is a nation wide boycott of all sporting events until stupid regulations are removed. Hurt them in the pockets and they’ll change their stupid rules.
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