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virtualmark

The second in a series of great quotes from US Presidents.

This time it’s Dwight D. Eisenhower:

“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than thirty cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of sixty thousand population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than eight thousand people.

This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.”

Ike delivered this speech to the American Society of Newspaper Editors on the 16th of April 1953. It was his first formal address to the American people as President and he titled it “Chance for Peace.”

The speech was delivered at a critical historical moment. Joseph Stalin had been dead six weeks, and hopes were rising that the new Soviet leadership would be less belligerent. The Korean War was near its final stalemate. The United States had announced the world’s first hydrogen bomb in January.

By expressing the cost of weapons in schools, homes, and hospitals, Eisenhower hoped the Kremlin might abandon the march toward armed competition that he feared would bankrupt both countries. He urged Soviet leaders to see that the Cold War and its costs were not inevitable.

Sadly things didn’t turn out as Ike hoped. In June the Soviets sent soldiers into East Berlin to crush a workers’ uprising. In August they unveiled their own hydrogen bomb. That same month the CIA engineered a coup to remove Iran’s democratically-elected prime minister Mohammad Mossadegh.

When Moscow ignored his warning and pressed forward with plans to extend its international reach, Ike, building on a foundation laid by Harry Truman, committed America to what he knew would be a long and costly confrontation. Seven U.S. presidents, Democrats and Republicans, followed Truman and Ike’s lead. But when Soviet communism finally collapsed, the United States entered a period where it had no unifying grand strategy … which is a state that continues through to Trump’s presidency today.
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February 9, 2017 8:03am
- PhilBest
  
  Eisenhower was an interesting President. A true example of a realistic anti-war top soldier who had seen it all.
  
  But he may have been a bit soft on Communism, after all, the Russians were on “our side” in the war; the oddest thing Ike did (for a Republican President) was take the side of the Democrats and refuse the release of some vital records that would have decided between Joe McCarthy and his prosecutors, who was factually in the right.
  
  A logical explanation for throwing McCarthy to the wolves, admitted by a CIA chief decades later, was that intelligence penetration of Soviet espionage networks would have been too compromised had Ike released the records. McCarthy was right, but was foolishly blowing the cover on something the CIA already had in hand, and could have used to advantage for counter-espionage.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:13am
  - virtualmark
    
    PhilBest,
    
    I think Ike was keenly aware of needing to focus on building a better America, and not wasting the country’s energy and assets on militarism and witch hunts. And I think Ike was a diplomat who hoped that the Soviets could be cajoled into a calmer and less confrontational path (as this speech I’ve quoted sets out).
    
    My take is that Ike showed a lot of restraint with Joe McCarthy, in the face of quite a lot of provocation.
    
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    February 9, 2017 9:51am
Tarquin North

The drought has broken. Rained all night in Whangarei, we really needed that.
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February 9, 2017 8:06am
- alex Masterley
  
  We in Auckland were promised quite a bit but it never appeared.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:08am
  - cmm
    
    All those Auckland crops will be ruined.
    
    Terrible, just terrible
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:11am
    - redqueen
      
      Hey, don’t be mean. The berm in front of the office is looking a bit brown…Our central city agriculture may never recover and I’m sure Auckland Council will be announcing a re-vitalisation programme in short order… 😉
      
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      February 9, 2017 8:26am
      - VicParking
        
        Not before they take your swing down
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:29am
      - sooty
        
        Charge you extra rates for that.
        
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        February 9, 2017 9:07am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      My garden was grateful for what it got; not quite so Watercare who would charge me for putting water on and then the use of the drains to take nothing away, bastards.
      
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      February 9, 2017 9:48am
  - Nookin
    
    Morning Alex. Are you talking about Phil Goff, Penny or the weather?
    
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    February 9, 2017 10:07am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      D: All of the above
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:10am
oldpark

“Hell has no fury for women scorned.” How appropiate for NZs Liebour Party. The actions of their so called trade union controlled “Leader” a person with the name of Mr 7% alias Angry Andy Little. Little’s all encompassing and selection of Willie Jackson to get a free ride onto the list as an Mp over many women in the party,has exposed the thin veneer of harmony and caused it to fracture. The exposure shows schisms ,heresies,and malice,againt the dastardly actions of Little, and how he set out to deceive the selection over other more qualified participants,than a washed up flap jaw wee pest like Willie Jackson,by offering him a free ride into parliament ,on the so called list system.
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February 9, 2017 8:11am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Long may it continue!
  
  I notice no media mention the time Willie told his listeners that if his wife ever cheated on him, he would stab her through the heart.
  
  Given the the chance to take his words back, he doubled down on them and reiterated he would stab his missus through the heart if she ever cheated on him.
  
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  February 9, 2017 9:33am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    He would be looking to stab the little one in the back if the opportunity arose, the difficulty is that half the cutlery draw is already committed to this purpose by others!
    
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    February 9, 2017 9:50am
Manolo

Merkel’s gift to Germany:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4202942/Two-migrants-charged-molesting-girls-swimming-pool.html

Two asylum seekers have been charged with molesting five girls between the ages of 12 to 14 at a German swimming pool.

A local police report from the Ratzeburg force states the suspects were two ‘southern-looking’ men who molested them under the water. The men are 23 and 34 years old and are said to be asylum seekers living in Bad Oldesloe in the northern state of Schleswig-Holstein.
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February 9, 2017 8:12am
- kowtow
  
  Here’s another gift the European elites have given their long suffering serfs.
  
  “Thousands of girls in Germany face genital mutilation on top of the tens of thousands of women who have already suffered it, a new government report claims.”
  
  Don’t know why media are complaining , surely this is part of the diversity and multiculti we are meant to embrace.
  
  https://www.thelocal.de/20170207/50000-women-in-germany-have-been-genitally-mutilated-report
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:18am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  This is truly despicable. I understand that they are on a Jihad and it was a sexual emergency. I get it. A mujahardeen has to do what a mujahardeen has to do.
  
  But this behavior is truly inexcusable in view that even Bin Laden endorsed self help in these situation.
  
  Here is proof.
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4196580/Bin-Laden-letter-detailed-jihadists-masturbate.html
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:20am
  - GoVege
    
    Thank goodness for that!
    When is someone gonna tell these guys?
    Apparently the other alternative, other species, ends up with the poor goat/sheep etc getting killed because it has been “tainted”.
    
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    February 9, 2017 3:51pm
- kowtow
  
  Manolo
  
  Fritz and Heidi truly are blessed to live in Merkels’ Germany , dozens of gifts , constantly bestowed.
  
  “German federal prosecutors have launched around a dozen investigations concerning alleged war crimes committed in Syria or Iraq, alongside dozens of cases of suspected membership of jihadist groups.”
  
  https://www.thelocal.de/20170207/germany-police-arrests-syrian-isis-suspect-accused-of-rape
  
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  February 9, 2017 9:00am
kowtow

The media are tying themselves in knots over their anti Trump hysteria. Karl du Fresne has covered it well on his blog.

This from yesterday’s ODT editorial on Trump.

“He is a bully and narcissist, a danger to the United States and the world.”

Followed by

“But whatever the views of individual reporters, news editors or editors, the media must not be one-sided in its news coverage. It has to be calm, rational and not be the ”opposition”. ‘

The media and police initially wouldn’t report the Cologne rapefest and often refuses to identify the ethnicity of offenders and when we do get a whistleblower he is cast as a racist.From Sweden

“Suspected perpetrators: Ali Mohamad, Mahmod, Mohammed, Mohammed, Ali, again, again, again, Christoffer… what, is it true? Yes, a Swedish name sneaked its way in on the fringes of a drug related crime, Mohammed, Mahmod Ali, again and again,” Springare wrote.

“Countries which represent all of the week’s crimes: Iraq, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Afghanistan, Somalia, Somalia, Syria again, Somalia, unknown country, unknown country, Sweden,” he added. Springare then promised to make new posts on the subject every week.”

http://www.thelocal.se/20170208/swedish-police-officer-causes-controversy-with-facebook-post

du Fresnes’ latest is worth a read.
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February 9, 2017 8:13am
- PhilBest
  
  One alternative media journo who interviewed a few uni students on US college campuses, discovered that the students were opposed to Trump’s “Muslim ban”, and also believed that it was a “Muslim ban”, period, knowing nothing about a list of 7 specific countries, and the ban’s applicability to non-Muslims from those countries.
  
  What we are facing is dangerous ignorance from the young masses in the era of Twitter, slogans, sound bites, short attention spans, blocked ears and hypnotic mass chanting.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:20am
- PhilBest
  
  I am finding it extraordinary that the Herald has been publishing excellent letters from one Jay Pegler recently. This morning, Pegler’s letter includes:
  
  “…As long as his (Trump’s) policies rest on a reassertion of common sense, their (the media’s) propaganda masquerading as journalism has no power. Having been burned so many times by political correctness, the people know that it will not keep them safe…The Screen Actor’s Guild won’t keep them safe. The know-it-alls on morning talk shows and various editorial boards won’t keep them safe. The celebrities won’t keep them safe. All these parties are not interested in solving the problem of insecurity but denying it, in the name of some ill-defined enlightenment, which amounts to a repudiation of common sense”.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:27am
Andrei

You have got to love virtue signaling from Hollywood: UTA Scraps Oscar Party In Favor of Refugee Rally

How many of Somalis, Sudanese and Yemenis etc would they like to see settled in the Bel Aire and the Hollywood Hills?

We know the answer to this, there would be outrage in their gated communities if a few hundred poor Yemenis were moved in there by the Government rather than dumped in poor communities in the Mid West
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February 9, 2017 8:14am
Liberty

Is Poto Williams still a MP?
John A Lee got purged for less.
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February 9, 2017 8:19am
- cmm
  
  She’s an elected MP. She can go independent.
  
  She can piss in the punch bowl at the next Labour bbq and she still keeps her seat.
  
  The comparison to Lee is ill-founded: Little is no Savage.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:34am
  - RalphT
    
    “Little is no Savage”…No, just a wee bit feral.
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:55am
  - Liberty
    
    There are a lot of similarities
    Lee was also an elected MP.
    Labour turned toxic
    The only real difference was that Savage was elected
    whereas Little is only a union lackey.
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:55am
    - cmm
      
      There was no list back then. All MPs were elected.
      
      That meant you could never get a loser like Little shoved through into leadership via the list.
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:29am
    - Liberty
      
      At the time Savage was idolised by the left.
      “Lee began working on ‘Psycho-pathology in politics’, an incisive, though veiled, attack on the dying Savage’s mental capacity to discharge his duties. Although he had by now been exasperated beyond endurance, the essay underestimated Savage and was a serious political misjudgement; even some of Lee’s supporters thought he had gone too far.”
      
      http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/biographies/4l8/lee-john-alfred-alexander
      
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      February 9, 2017 11:22am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  John Lee had integrity and was a better politician than Williams (and a hundred others) could ever aspire to be
  
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  February 9, 2017 9:53am
Elaycee

I see management of TV3 has decided to spend a load of cash on a new logo. No longer is it ‘TV3’ but something resembling a hieroglyphic.

Advice for free, TV3: You can wrap a dog turd in glitter but it’s still a turd. Any spare cash should have been spent on improving content / calibre of staff, rather than on a facelift. A complete WOFTAM.

Glad I’m not a shareholder.
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February 9, 2017 8:22am
- kowtow
  
  Competing with One’s bouncing billiard ball?
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:28am
  - Tarquin North
    
    None can compete with the Spark logo.
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:35am
    - thedavincimode
      
      As seen on many a pub carpet.
      
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      February 9, 2017 8:59am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Sometimes in the pattern and sometimes applied at a later date.
        
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        February 9, 2017 9:55am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Logo, schmogo. Spot the dog caught my attention! ?
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:41am
- Fletch
  
  Just had a look – gawd it’s awful. Looks like kids building bricks.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_(New_Zealand)#/media/File:Three_NZ_TV.png
  
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  February 9, 2017 10:58am
  - Fletch
    
    Actually, on second look – it looks more like they tried to spell the name with fridge magnets, ran out of letters, and had to dip into the bag of numbers and symbols.
    
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    February 9, 2017 12:26pm
EAD

“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise” – Voltaire

http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/02/07/jewish-human-rights-group-says-amazon-germanys-promotion-of-anti-semitic-book-an-outrage/

A prominent U.S.-based Jewish human rights group slammed Amazon Germany’s promotion of a book entitled “The Rothschilds: A Family that Controls the World” as an “outrage.”

I’m not going to turn this into a debate on who benefits from our current monetary system of infinite paper money, created out of thin air, backed by nothing and loaned out at interest…….. but instead I’d like to draw readers attention to what I see as gross inconsistencies.

If I discuss, with evidence, the role of individual Jews like the Rothschilds in Banking, Soros in mass immigration and the scores of Jews involved in Bolshevism/Marxism etc. then I’m tarred with the “Anti-semitism” tag as people try and shut such debate down.

This is in stark contrast with say the roles of individuals in American Slavery, Colonialism German WWII actions, then it is perfectly acceptable, nay encouraged, to paint all of the entirety of white nations and all their descendants of the world as guilty and requiring collective punishment?

Apologies again for the crime of “noticing” and “observing” for those that I’ve triggered.
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February 9, 2017 8:24am
- PhilBest
  
  Mind you, the politically correct establishment in the rest of the west doesn’t seem to bother anywhere near as much about criticism of Jews, as it does about criticism of stroppy Muslim immigrants.
  
  Germany might be just a bit different to the rest of the west, actually having perpetrated the Holocaust and having a certain obligation regarding anti-semitism.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:33am
  - EAD
    
    Mind you, the politically correct establishment in the rest of the west doesn’t seem to bother anywhere near as much about criticism of Jews,
    
    Just witness the outrage when someone drew a cartoon of our former Prime Minister with Jewish characiciteures or the International hysteria over comments made by former London Mayor Ken Livingstone.
    
    Or the witch hunt of Senator Jo McCarthy:
    
    http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/04/tinker-tailor-soldier-why.html?m=0
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:49am
    - redqueen
      
      They didn’t just draw a cartoon. They defaced private property.
      
      Equally, our PM isn’t Jewish. So the issue was their attempt to relate such things as being ‘bad’. Showed the bastards involved for being ignorant shites (just like the morons who can’t get a swastika the right way round).
      
      There are some great jokes out there, which can be funny, and can poke fun at religion, nationality, etc. Ignorant ‘humour’ is just ignorant (by comparison, have you heard the one about the Scotsman, the Dutchman, and the Jew who walked into a pub? Every Scotsman, Dutchman, and Jew I’ve known has laughed at it)
      
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      February 9, 2017 8:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, you mean like this National Socilist crude Jew Sterotype ?,
      
      http://www.nybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/The-Eternal-Jew.jpg
      
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      February 9, 2017 9:50am
- redqueen
  
  Define: ‘white nations’.
  
  And the issue is anti-Semitic if you put into context of ‘the Jews’ (or even ‘individual Jews’). Whether you like or dislike the Rothschilds or Soros, the issue is not racial or ethnic, but rather personal. Why they receive any real attention is a question I’ll raise (there are plenty of people in the world, including very powerful ones, why a few current medium-weights).
  
  Thus, using inflammatory language, or concentrating on issues like ethnicity, which you don’t profess to care about, would appear to be the problem, non? You can make a case for certain members of the Rothschild family being creeps (Nathaniel is not my favourite chappy, particularly after that Osbourne nonsense), but it has nothing to do with ‘the Rothschilds’ nor with them being Jews or otherwise.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:33am
  - EAD
    
    Thus, using inflammatory language, or concentrating on issues like ethnicity
    
    What on earth do you think has been going on since the election of Trump!?
    
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    February 9, 2017 9:36am
    - redqueen
      
      Lots of ranting and howling? (Particularly from people of the collectivist persuasion). I must say, my popcorn consumption has skyrocketed, along with my levels of laughing 😉
      
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      February 9, 2017 9:49am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, ahhmm.. !
      
      .Feedback please on Trumps’ four Jew appointees to his Cabinet now long overdue ?
      
      http://www.jta.org/2016/11/14/news-opinion/politics/meet-the-jews-in-donald-trumps-inner-circle
      
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      February 9, 2017 9:53am
Happychappy

Any one taking the score in Andrew Little verses Young Labour, Feminism and Loyalists from the Labour. Well isn’t great when all factions in this very tight club can join in and have their say especially with the gay members of this fine club dishing up a great sledge against their inept Leader today from a former Labour MP.
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February 9, 2017 8:25am
- cmm
  
  Remember Andy has a very strong faction of his own: the Unions.
  
  Under Labour rules, the Unions are strong enough to pretty much trump any other interest groups unless the feminists and gays take over too.
  
  Since more females are union members than males, there is a chance of the a feminist take-over in the unions too. In that case Andy is out on his ear.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:32am
  - PhilBest
    
    Unions, feminists, gays…..whatever happened to the wishes of the masses of people who voted Labour for decades?
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:38am
    - cmm
      
      That’s the point of elections. They are essentially the free market test.
      
      If a baker makes bread that people don’t want to buy, then the baker changes the recipe until we do buy the bread.
      
      Labour offer up goods and we either buy them (vote for them) or we don’t. If we don’t buy then then Labour should change the recipe until we do buy it.
      
      Labou’re problem is that they don’t listen to the feedback.
      
      If they were that baker it would go something like this: Nobody is buying our new turd flavoured bread, so let’s increase the amount of turd we put in. Naah, that’s still not working …. add more turd!
      
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      February 9, 2017 8:49am
      - Awww C-mon
        
        One problem with your analogy, and it’s a big one for Labour
        
        When my once popular baker changes hands and is run by a muppet who feeds me turd bread, I tend to be very cautious about going back, even if someone else takes over.
        
        If it changes hands several times, each ‘baker’ worse than the one before I eventually give up and never go back.
        
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        February 9, 2017 9:24am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Or, you eat the turd bread because your dad ate the turd bread and so you eat the turd bread too, that’s what we’ve always done.
        
        Makes perfect sense.
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:01am
      - GoVege
        
        Do you guys have to be so disgusting?
        BTW. ..what if a National baker steals the Labour baker’s recipe for a healthy decent loaf?
        And the customers are too thick to realize where their loyalty lies?
        
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        February 9, 2017 1:56pm
      - cmm
        
        “GoVege Do you guys have to be so disgusting?”
        
        Well I was going to say lentil & tofu loaf but some people read this while trying to eat.
        
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        February 9, 2017 4:59pm
    - Happychappy
      
      It is not the 1950/60s now where most Parents told or advised their children to vote Labour as they were seen as the Party for the working man. In my time I voted once for Labour on my fathers advise but after leaving home my vote went to National as the Unions even in them days controlled Labour but not like they do today.
      
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      February 9, 2017 9:06am
      - GoVege
        
        Do you remember WHY your dad advised you to vote Labour?
        Maybe you were raised in a state house or benefited from some other policy Labour brought in?
        Are you just another Key clone, accepting all the help from Labour then when you’re OK, turning round and voting Tory?
        
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        February 9, 2017 1:59pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Phl Best , no gays in National Government or feminsts for that matter ?
      
      What alt right planet are you living on ?
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:02am
      - PhilBest
        
        National is merely a representative cross-section of everyone. Labour is a freak show.
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:14am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        stephieboy the difference being you can be gay without being a flaming queer.
        
        National Party gay – I’m gay, what can I do to help you?
        
        Labour Party gay (insert gay lisp) – I am gay, I am special, my gayness makes me special, look how gay I am, did I hear you mention my gayness yet, it’s who I am. I am gay gay gay!
        
        Voter: “okay you’re gay now about my -…..”
        
        Labour Party gay (insert gay lisp) – I didn’t hear you congratulate me on how gay I am, you intolerant bigoted homophobe!
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:38am
      - cmm
        
        Stephie, I think you miss the point.
        
        The point is that Labour is branding itself as the party gays should vote for because they are gay and that workers should vote for because they are workers and feminists should vote for because they are female and that Pacifica should vote for because they are Pacifica. ie. identity politics, not policy driven politics.
        
        The problem is that Greens are doing exactly the same thing and fighting over exactly the same identity base.
        
        In National nobody cares if you’re gay or feminist or whatever.
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:43am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Stephie, I think you miss the point.’
        Pornoboy doesn’t care about the point. He is just trolling.
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:46am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        @cmm – stephieboy missing the point?
        Completely unheard of!
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , deep thought processes and data gathering analysis continuing there ?
        
        ( sarc naturally )
        
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        February 9, 2017 11:02am
cmm

The anti-sugar mob again: An American, quoting American stats to an Australian journalist ends up verbatum in a NZ publication…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/teach-me/89187254/expert-says-we-are-giving-children-the-equivalent-of-alcohol-for-breakfast

One thing these articles never raise is that the demographics have changed remarkably.

Hispanics (just like Polynesians here) are much more prone to diabetes etc and their population in Califronia has gone through the roof over the last 40 years (as has our Polynesian population here).

Science requires apples-to-apples comparisons otherwise it is just agenda-driven advocacy.
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February 9, 2017 8:28am
- redqueen
  
  Pfft. You demand data and analysis?
  
  WITCH!!! 😛
  
  I would contend the majority of people, nowadays, don’t understand the rudiments of scientific thought (to be fair, the majority of people never had). But nowadays they have no deference either, leading to idiotic ‘studies’ and sensational nonsense, along with statements like, ‘I say, listen to the studies that work for you…’
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:40am
  - cmm
    
    Scientific thought is too much hard thinking. Even 5 words is too much for a headline these days.
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:58am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Unless the word Trump is used in which case the headline usually has more substance than the article that follows
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:04am
  - VicParking
    
    if you are like the climate scientists you just change the historical data so that it suites the result you want from the current data.
    
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    February 9, 2017 10:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      VicParking etc , change the historical data ..etc
      
      Like these 36 Nobel Lauretes ,
      
      https://qz.com/444787/a-group-of-Nobel-laureates-have-signed-a-declaration-calling-for-urgent-action-on-climate-change/
      
      LOL !
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:18am
      - cmm
        
        Since Obama got it, the Nobel Prize is not quite the esteemed award it used to be.
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm, the 36 lauretes got their prizes mostly in the physical sciences .
        
        Do you understand what the physical sciences are ?
        
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        February 9, 2017 11:04am
      - Longknives
        
        Stephieboy- Care to outline exactly what your beloved Obama got his Nobel Prize for?? Because most of us are in agreeance he opened a Weet-Bix Packet..
        
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        February 9, 2017 2:24pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Longknives,
        Obama got his Nobel Prize for Peace for all the work he did mending the racial divide in America. Can you not notice the difference? Before Obama, Chicagoans had to make do with stabbing each other to death. Now they have guns!
        
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        February 9, 2017 2:58pm
- PhilBest
  
  But admitting differences in genetic make-up between races on any point, is the thin edge of the wedge to the politically correct establishment.
  
  For that matter, even the differences between individuals genetic make-up is something the mainstream medical profession ignores. Some of us Pakehas are also prone to sugar-related diseases and do better without it.
  
  But the thing that annoys me the most, is that they adopt a standard drug to treat X Y or Z condition, when the trials of it showed it worked for 60, 70, 80 percent of trial groups. I argue that it is almost a certainty that those for whom it will work and won’t work, will be identifiable on the basis of common genetic markers such as blood type. But the medical profession does not work this way, so you will be prescribed the one fix-it drug and if you are among the 30% for whom it won’t work, you are out of luck. The doctors will just give up on you.
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:47am
  - redqueen
    
    Well, in this, there is a very simple problem. What do we mean by ‘genetics’. Contraire to how some people talk, nowadays, we aren’t made up of ‘a mixture’ of our ‘ancestors’. We are, actually, made up of binary chromosomes. As such, my children got one of my chromosomes. My daughter, by definition, is related (in one chromosome) to my mother, whereas my boys are related (in one chromosome) to my father. The construct of ancestry and family are not ‘genetic’, as some people seem to think (you aren’t ‘1/8th X’ – you are always two halves).
    
    Thus, ‘race’ is a tricky beggar. However, certain groups do have a tendency to perpetuate certain traits (but hence why, through compound intermixing over thousands of years, we don’t all suffer from the same diseases ‘by race’).
    
    Makes it very funny when people try to explain why they don’t suffer from something that won’t have passed down, as they aren’t actually genetically linked to the person of the race they’re professing to belong… 🙂 (by comparison, familial connection is a very different matter)
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:59am
    - PhilBest
      
      Great clear distinctions, thanks Red.
      
      Obvious examples of characteristics that have been perpetuated in certain races, can be found in physique and sporting prowess. But then it gets risky to talk about inherited ability to excel at algebra, say. Same for gender differences.
      
      I have become aware during my life, and doubtless many people do, of things I am just not made for. Gymnastics, for example, or ballet dancing. Swimming was always fine though. I am good at chess but not at the Rubik Cube. And so on. Most of us have no problem admitting at least some things we are just plain no good at.
      
      But what we have at the establishment level, is a systematized, PC-based denial of basic obvious differences when they relate to a particular identity group. Some things may be environment related, and may change over time – NZ-Asian All Blacks? But will forcing square pegs into round holes, eg by race-based quotas, ultimately help or hinder?
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:30am
      - redqueen
        
        The issue is that the genetics will, in the longer-term, become blurred. Gender specific issues link directly to the 23rd Chromosome, but the others are a free-for-all and can (from memory) get re-sequenced. So as you intermix, you do get greater ‘diversity’, but that is my very point about genetics being over-played. My children are (in the last 3 generations) a mixture of 1 Jew, 1 Scotsman, and 2 English (1 Cornish, 1 Yorkshire Lass) on my side, and 3 Russians (at least 1 of some form of Volksdeutsch) and 1 Uzbek. The traits that are gender specific (which does make a huge difference, obviously) are probably the most prominent.
        
        The issue becomes, at the moment, we still have more ‘well-defined’ races, but as time goes on, that will erode, even if we maintain concepts of ‘ethnicity’ (just look at ‘white’ people in the States – once upon a time the Italians, English, and German peoples would have clearly delineated themselves).
        
        So, as noted, it’s a very tricky business. And it’s made worse by the desire to oversimplify these things (there ‘is’ race, as a continual feature, or ‘there is no such thing’, while at the moment there are logical groupings). To ignore current groups is damned silly (as we do know that people who are less inter-mixed are more likely to show specific traits), but to demand they are monolithic is equally as silly (as they’re just an approximation).
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:58am
    - GoVege
      
      Most Westerners get their genes from a much larger gene pool than many of our Maori and Polynesian community.
      Polynesians especially have been stuck in their island nations for several thousand years until very recently.
      This limited gene pool, combined with their traditional belief in eating at every opportunity, plus lack of awareness of how bad sugar is for you, have contributed to the diabetes and obesity epidemic we are now experiencing.
      
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      February 9, 2017 4:04pm
    - BeeSting
      
      All Europeans are Related and are Brothers and Sisters – Their DNA is Superior – Their Intellect is Superior – their Methods of Living are Superior.
      
      As the European Bee is the Ultimate Insect,
      so to are the European Peoples Superior.
      
      The Best Analogy is European Honey Bee DNA.
      
      Same Forces Long Hard Brutal Winters
      that Forced (Shaped both DNA) a more intelligent way to live – hard work defence.
      
      People Mock Europeans as Individuals because
      THEY ARE TOO THICK AND RACIST.
      To realise Europeans use COLLECTIVE Intelligence and Cooperation to Succeed.
      
      When they work together they are unstoppable.
      
      The Societies we live now are an abonomation
      a cheap hack of what they once were and
      are like a Bee Hive full
      of disease and parasites (where the Queen does not lay) and they are importing more parasites.
      
      People make a big Fuss about Bees being in Danger World Wide and they are.
      
      But it is the European race that is under greater threat. The Reason Bees are in Danger is because
      NON EUROPEAN RETARDED ideas are being implement.
      
      To give and example the same people who think
      mass immigration to Europe is a good Idea
      and Climate Change is Real.
      
      These same people pour chemicals on your food.
      
      THEY ARE TOO THICK to realise if all these Refugees
      do not have food and accomodation they will
      DIE IN WINTER
      
      Some now are freezing to Death in Europe Why is that?
      
      Say what ever you like Europeans they like
      the European Bee Know one thing.
      
      WINTER IS COMING.
      
      I love my pure European DNA and my European
      methods of Survival agains all odds.
      
      Bees Always moves Survives and sets up another
      new hive the Parasite follow if they can.
      
      NZ is no longer Safe for Europeans to raises families.
      
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      February 9, 2017 11:37pm
  - stephieboy
    
    PhilBest , stupefying ignorance !
    
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    February 9, 2017 10:20am
    - PhilBest
      
      Huh?????????
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      PhilBest , redqueen and your apparent gobblydgook persentaion on genetics ?
      
      Try this insteaf,
      
      http://www.noted.co.nz/archive/listener-nz-2013/genes-and-the-nature-of-nurture/
      
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      February 9, 2017 11:10am
      - redqueen
        
        Who said that nurture wasn’t involved? However, that points strongly to superiority within ‘ethnic groups’ (if we’re excluding the more complex genetics discussion). Hence why certain countries and ethnicities do better (due to familial and group learned behaviour).
        
        Do try to keep up and stop the plastering statements (all the dust is making me sneeze…).
        
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        February 9, 2017 1:00pm
      - calendar girl
        
        What is a ‘persentaion’ (sic), stephie, and is it related in any way to the mysterious ‘insteaf’ (sic)?
        
        You’re the undoubted master of ‘gobblydgook’ (sic).
        
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        February 9, 2017 1:10pm
      - PhilBest
        
        Not only does that point strongly to superiority within ‘ethnic groups’, as Red Queen says, I think what he really means is “culture”.
        
        And any regular follower of KB will know that I hold that it is culture that ultimately makes all the difference. But it is absurd to deny genetic inheritance, at the individual level as much as anything else. The “you can do anything if you believe in yourself” theory is nonsense. One needs to be realistic about what one’s inheritance is optimised for. There was no way I was ever going to be a gymnast or ballet dancer, for example. Rugby player, quite possibly, had I been keen on it. But then short-sightedness became another limitation – you can’t do just “anything” when you need eye correction. And that, too, guess what – runs in my family.
        
        But when it comes to endeavours of the intellect, the establishment gets all touchy-feely about reality. Not just on genetic inheritance, but cultural environment as well. Some cultural environments do stunt brain development. This is why the lifting of a population’s level of achievement in consequence of a widespread change of culture, can take 3 or more generations.
        
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        February 9, 2017 4:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  cmm, and Europeans more prone to Bowel Cancer .
  
  Your point other than maybe the usual alt right racist innuendo ?
  
  BTW Asians are also more prone to diabetes
  
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  February 9, 2017 10:06am
  - redqueen
    
    ‘Constable Savage…why do you keep accosting this gentleman? A Mr Winston…Tabogo…May I infer, constable, that he is a coloured gentleman?’
    
    ‘Well, I can’t said that’d I’d noticed, sir…’ 😀
    
    Naughty, naughty, wacist innuendo 😉
    
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    February 9, 2017 10:32am
  - PhilBest
    
    WTF??? You’re paranoid, pal. No-one was raising alt-right racist agendas here, merely how big-picture studies often fail to tease out causative pathways when there appears to be correlations.
    
    You yourself mention Europeans more prone to bowel cancer and Asians more prone to diabetes. Fine, that’s a good contribution to the discussion, pretty much along the same lines as what we were saying. What are you objecting to? I was objecting to the institutionalised denial of such identifiable differences as the ones you mention – including, but not limited to, when it suits PC identity politics as a weapon of choice.
    
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    February 9, 2017 10:43am
    - redqueen
      
      Phil, I think today might be a bad day for these sorts of discussions. Stephie seems in one of those ‘You’re all wacked out for having a discussion that I don’t actually disagree with you on!’ moods 😛
      
      He’ll come around…someday…maybe… 😉
      
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      February 9, 2017 1:03pm
      - Garbageman
        
        Yeah good luck with that I was enjoying the convo between the 2 of you until troll boy shat all over it the wanker has one objective here and that’s disruption as he rarely adds to the discussion that has to be his only motive
        
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        February 9, 2017 2:54pm
      - redqueen
        
        Well said, sir, but I believe in being eternally patient…and humorous (some exceptions may apply – such as violent crime, then I believe in good old fashioned hangings) When matters aren’t so serious, such things are rather good for dealing with silly beggars 🙂
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:35pm
  - GoVege
    
    The point is Kiwis eat too much red meat…the #1 cause of bowel cancer.
    Other cultures are catching up and getting the disease too.
    
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    February 9, 2017 4:08pm
    - PhilBest
      
      Yes, but do societies that still eat “paleo”, including lots of red meat, suffer the same bowel cancer problems, or is it the combination of red meat with processed carbs or something else, that is the real problem?
      
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      February 9, 2017 4:39pm
      - GoVege
        
        Interesting question, Phil.
        Apparently the processed meats are much more likely to give you bowel cancer.
        Probably like processed anything….
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:14pm
  - cmm
    
    “cmm, and Europeans more prone to Bowel Cancer .”
    
    So stephie you actually agree with me. Races are different. We have different biology.
    
    I’m not judging that or saying it is good or bad. It is just the facts. If we try pretend these factors don’t exist we don’t get anywhere trying to analyse the data.
    
    If different groups of people are prone to different illnesses at different rates then changing demographics are going to change health outcomes.
    
    California’s population of Europeans and Blacks has decreased, so we can expect that those diseases which afflict Blacks and Europeans have reduced.
    
    The same is also true of changing age demographics. Older people have higher cancer rates than young people, therefore we can expect cancers to increase when ages increase.
    
    It’s not racism/agism – just facts.
    
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    February 9, 2017 4:41pm
macdee

Two surprisingly positive pieces worth reading on Bill English’s Waitangi Day – Simon Wilson in Spinoff and Tim Murphy in Newsroom, both balanced and respectful reflecting well on English and show up the poor quality of journalism slop we currently get dished up
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February 9, 2017 8:40am
- MCos
  
  The Spinoff noted the media’s reporting of our PM’s phone call with the US President and the lack of coverage of his marae speeches.
  Was this because the media made a judgment call on what sells as opposed to what was more important?
  You bet.
  Apart from RNZ all our main news outlets are commercial ventures driven by ratings & Trump sells.
  Furthermore any overseas big shot who mentions New Zealand gets reported as a matter of course.
  
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  February 9, 2017 10:53am
Paulus

Walked down Queen Street the other mid morning – was I and my wife the only white skinned people there ?
Looked like it.
Quite comfortable with it – it was a buoyant mixture of races by the look of it – and we love Asian foods too.
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February 9, 2017 8:43am
- Inandout
  
  It’s the beggars that trash that street.
  
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  February 9, 2017 9:30am
  - MCos
    
    With or without the beggars Queen St has always been pretty ordinary as far as major city centres are concerned.
    
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    February 9, 2017 10:10am
    - Inandout
      
      There was a time when Queen St buzzed, especially on Friday night shopping. Retailing outside of the malls has taken a nose dive.
      
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      February 9, 2017 11:19am
- Scorpion
  
  It is called WHITE GENOCIDE.
  
  Planned Promoted and Implemented deliberately
  
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  February 9, 2017 11:21pm
Liberty

There is no revolt
https://www.parliament.nz/en/watch-parliament/ondemand?itemId=179981
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February 9, 2017 8:44am
Chuck Bird

Tourists not only need education about NZ roads but NZ bush. That tramp should have been started before midday if one had not done it before. They certainly should not go off on their own on a track like that.

American tourist cold and wet after getting lost at Wairere Falls

A missing American tourist who got lost on a popular Waikato walking track has been found “cold and wet” by searchers.

Specialist search and rescue teams scoured the Wairere Falls Track near Matamata late into the night after the man in his 30s failed to meet up with a friend.

A police spokeswoman said the pair had earlier split up to walk separate routes but planned to meet later at their car.

When the man failed to return, the alarm was raised about 8.30pm.

Land, Search and Rescue crew members found the man just before midnight.

“It appears he took a wrong turn and got lost,” said the spokeswoman.

“He was cold and wet but unharmed.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11797263
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February 9, 2017 9:06am
- mandk
  
  Visitors are sometimes poorly advised or not advised at all.
  
  When my then wife, baby and I came to NZ in 2003, we visited Marahau in July. We decided to take a water taxi to Anchorage Bay and walk back. Granted, we should probably have checked ourselves, but no one told us that starting the walk back at 2 pm was a bad idea.
  
  The last hour or so was in complete darkness and we had no idea how far we still had to go. Just as well the track isn’t the roughest around.
  
  When we talked about it to the woman in the taxi booking office the following day, all she said was “well, my son can run it in less than an hour”.
  
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  February 9, 2017 9:31am
slightlyrighty

I note Elizabeth Warren was silenced in the Senate by the GOP when she attempted to read a letter from the widow of Martin Luther King regarding the character of the Trump Nominee for AG, Jeff Sessions.

Well, the GOP stuffed up big time, as Warren now has a far larger platform in which to display the letter and highlight the very issues she wished in the first place.

Big blunder by the GOP.
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February 9, 2017 9:06am
- Rich Prick
  
  Your mistake is assuming anyone gives a toss about Elizabeth “Walking Bird” Warren. Her longer adopted native american name is Too Full of Shit – Can’t Fly.
  
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  February 9, 2017 9:25am
  - stephieboy
    
    Rich Prick , and what about Kellyanne Conway idiocy ?
    
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    February 9, 2017 10:08am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      stephieboy, and what about the stephen boyle idiocy ?
      
      This concerns me far more as it’s closer to home.
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:29am
    - Rich Prick
      
      What about Hillary Clinton idiocy?
      
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      February 9, 2017 10:43am
      - stephieboy
        
        And Roger Stone’s apparent idiocy ,
        
        http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-advisor-roger-stone-claims-he-was-poisoned-with-radioactive-polonium/
        
        Trumps craziness is of course par for the clourse !
        
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        February 9, 2017 10:56am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        “…Trumps craziness is of course par for the clourse !”
        
        What’s your excuse?
        
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        February 9, 2017 11:20am
- Fletch
  
  She should have been shut up years ago. Terrible woman. Another one on an anti-Trump bender. Apparently she broke Rule 19 of the Senate –
  
  A rule that states how senators are not permitted to “directly or indirectly, by any form of words impute to another Senator or to other Senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a Senator.”
  
  She tried to make out that he was racist, when he clearly isn’t.
  
  In her speech, Warren read past statements about Sessions’ failed 1986 federal judgeship nomination that was derailed over allegations of racist remarks while he served as a U.S. Attorney in Alabama. At the time, Sessions, who liberals view as the spawn of Satan, worked to desegregate schools, took on his state’s Ku Klux Klan chapter, and even, prosecuted a Klan leader for the murder of a black teenager, Michael McDonald. He pushed for the death penalty as well. It paved way for a $7 million civil judgment against the KKK in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by McDonald’s family, breaking the white supremacist group’s Alabama chapter. The Weekly Standard’s Mark Hemingway wrote about this when President Trump formally nominated Sessions.
  
  http://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/02/08/shut-down-senate-gop-tells-elizabeth-warren-to-shut-up-during-speech-about-ag-nominee-jeff-sessions-n2283003
  
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  February 9, 2017 11:12am
Manolo

The EU is doomed: the Greek tragedy replay.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2017/02/07/eu-faces-crisis-imf-warns-greek-debts-explosive-path/

The EU faces a looming crisis which could threaten the sustainability of the eurozone as the International Monetary Fund has warned Greece’s debts are on an “explosive” path, despite years of attempted austerity and economic reforms.
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February 9, 2017 9:25am
sooty

Has Trademe gone and changed their app or something. Mrs can not get were she wants to go and l can not figure it out. Its like the stupid phones with predictive text turned on. Gave up. Could not even figure out how to send a complaint email to trademe. Trade me is the shits now.
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February 9, 2017 9:39am
- Inandout
  
  Wait until they further increase their fees, then the system will work ok.
  
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  February 9, 2017 9:49am
Happychappy

After seeing a couple of examples set by the Labour Leader Andrew Little this week isn’t it the pot calling the kettle black with his consistently calling Bill English weak at every opportunity he has been given, in Parliament Question Time, MSM interviews and Campaigning in Mt Albert. You have to laugh really at his back track when put under pressure on the Willie Jackson Saga and then realise how inept and weak he was as a candidate for the seat of New Plymouth, Labour President in raising Funds that have left them begging, and a Union Chief that watched the Union Member ship lose the greatest number of members in the history of the Union Movement under his Leadership. Not bad for some one that has a track record of Failure.
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February 9, 2017 9:52am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Quite so Happychappy. I saw the following from Iain Lees-Galloway on Twitter last evening; one of a dozen of so abusive tweets during Question Time yesterday:
  
  Iain Lees-Galloway ‏@IainLG · 21 hours ago
  
  I seek leave for a delegation of the House to be deployed to find the Prime Minister’s spine. #nzqt #RunawayBill
  
  When are Labour MP’s going to learn that the public expects better from them? After all, their salaries and perks are paid from OUR taxes.
  
  Smart-arse comments about John Key, abuse and innuendo didn’t work for Labour in 2008. Nor 2011, nor 2014. Here’s hoping they keep up this line of attack politics on Bill English, because it’s as sure as eggs NOT going to win back all those voters who have deserted Labour over the years.
  
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  February 9, 2017 11:17am
  - RF
    
    A favourite tactic of the left. When in the crap up to your neck.. divert.
    
    You never hear from this sleeper until recently. Did someone wake him up.
    
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    February 9, 2017 12:17pm
  - Happychappy
    
    KS/ The thing is that Lees – Galloway was one of the ones backing Poto Williams want’s to sit on the fence and have it both ways.
    
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    February 9, 2017 12:26pm
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    While he’s at it he could look for his leaders personality.
    
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    February 9, 2017 1:04pm
- sooty
  
  You would be claiming all of that as sucess if he was in the Labour party. Oh wait, he is! Must be time for a BBQ, weather’s still fine.
  
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  February 9, 2017 1:15pm
wiseowl

I am going to apply to be the next Reserve Bank Governor.
Every couple of months I can say ‘interest rates on hold’ and get paid half a million or so for making such momentous decisions.
Reckon I’m a sitter.
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February 9, 2017 10:01am
- stephieboy
  
  wiseowl , why not save your indisputable and unquestioned governance talents ( oozing sarcasm ) for ANZ , Westpac or evenTrumps mates on Goldman Sachs ?
  
  LOL !
  
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  February 9, 2017 10:11am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Aww cute, babby learned a new word.
    Sarcasm.
    
    You would think none of us here have ever employed it on you.
    
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    February 9, 2017 10:45am
wiseowl

No way I could be a bankster SB
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February 9, 2017 10:18am
AgentBallSack

Popped over to the Stranded yesterday for a bit of schadenfreude, wasn’t disappointed.
Very funny watching lprent threatening bans until the election. FFS man, it’s February.

For a machine, it’s a pretty thin skinned one that doesn’t take to criticism from mere mortals. You could say The Stranded is the machine equivalent of the Labour Party!
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February 9, 2017 10:27am
gump

British man kicks pregnant Muslim woman in stomach leading to the loss of her unborn twins…

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2800271/man-who-kicked-pregnant-muslim-woman-in-the-stomach-causing-her-to-lose-unborn-twins-is-charged-as-we-picture-him-for-the-first-time/
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February 9, 2017 10:33am
- stephieboy
  
  The offender David Gallacher, appears to fit a typical alt right profile .
  
  Of course if the offender was a Muslim a Ahmed etc the Inandouts, cmms ,ABS’s etc would be all over this !
  
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  February 9, 2017 10:50am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    It’s a disgusting crime no matter who committed it, and no matter who it was committed on. In England that would be construed as a hate crime so that guy is going nowhere fast. Also there are a lot of Muslims in prison in England, would not want to be in his shoes for all the tea in China.
    
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    February 9, 2017 12:57pm
    - Garbageman
      
      not many goats in prison I bet, this clown is going to pound town with a side dish of serious beard rash on his back jokes aside that has to be one of the most reprehensible crimes to commit on a woman regardless of ideology or religion
      
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      February 9, 2017 3:14pm
  - Inandout
    
    Disgusting behaviour for sure. I do however note that these twins would have made six children to the Somalian mother.
    
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    February 9, 2017 1:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , always lurking to exploit a racist angle with such a tragedy ?
      
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      February 9, 2017 1:50pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        We need a better class of troll here. I mean, I thought I was it, but it’s like stephie doesnt even try. What’s the point any more, I can spend 5 minutes formulating a response to something for the purpose of entertainment of others and stephie comes along with his “HURR DURRR RACISTS ALT-RIGHT” and RUINS it!
        
        Oh and irony is completely lost on him. Even when he performs it on himself.
        
        “…Of course if the offender was a Muslim a Ahmed etc the Inandouts, cmms ,ABS’s etc would be all over this
        
        and
        
        “…..Inandout , always lurking to exploit a racist angle with such a tragedy”
        
        Many such cases too. SAD!
        
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        February 9, 2017 3:07pm
  - simpleton1
    
    “The offender David Gallacher, appears to fit a typical alt right profile .”
    
    That must be remembered when any one is homeless ! ! or
    
    “of no fixed abode”
    
    , and when residing in one of Her Majesty’s prisons, with all the other “alt righters” as per the above link,
    
    “He has also been charged with three counts of assaulting a constable as they arrested a man in a separate incident on September 14 last year.”
    
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    February 9, 2017 1:11pm
  - cmm
    
    Don’t lose your shit stephie.
    
    I don’t condone stuff like that at all. Swing the fucker for all I care.
    
    All I have ever said are these two things:
    
    1) Hold everyone to the same standards. No get out of jail cards/ victim cards based on race/gender/sexual orientation/shoe size.
    
    2) Treat people as individuals. If you insist on looking at people as groups then look at the statistics of the group.
    
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    February 9, 2017 4:44pm
Manolo

Who is leaking?
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-foreign-leaders-phone-calls-234770
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February 9, 2017 10:58am
MCos

“Government to investigate petrol prices”
Must be election year.
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February 9, 2017 11:00am
- MCos
  
  Petrol companies will be fuming!
  
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  February 9, 2017 11:01am
Dave Mann

Poor Nikki Kaye. She’s recovering from cancer and now her stepbrother is accused of murdering someone while in a US jail for armed robbery. This scummy lowlife went to America to ‘pursue a rap career’. Look at the video of his incoherent ape-like raving. I feel so sorry for Nikki Kaye.

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/former-auckland-grammar-boy-charged-first-degree-murder-in-us-mp-nikki-kayes-stepbrother

Here’s wishing that her simian step brother won’t ruin her career. I think people are open and tolerant enough not to tar her with the same brush… hopefully it won’t rub off on her.
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February 9, 2017 11:00am
- Rich Prick
  
  I wonder why TVNZ thought including the name of the school he probably left 13 years ago could be relevant to the story? Now if he’d attended Otahuhu College …
  
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  February 9, 2017 11:09am
- MCos
  
  “hopefully it won’t rub off on her”
  You seem to be doing your best to make sure it will . . .
  
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  February 9, 2017 12:42pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    No I’m not. The story is being widely reported in the media and I’m voicing support for her. Can’t you read?
    
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    February 9, 2017 12:46pm
- Longknives
  
  Having watched his ‘Rap’ video he deserves to be in jail for his Crimes against Music alone!
  
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  February 9, 2017 2:37pm
  - PhilBest
    
    If you assume rap to fit into the category of “music” at all!
    
    I suppose all-percussion performances are part of music, and so is atonal works, so an absence of melody does not disqualify.
    
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    February 9, 2017 4:46pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Sorry I downticked you by accident… should have been an uptick. Good comment and I liked your description ‘atonal’… that’s being polite. I would prefer ‘ugly racket’, but still… 😀
      
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      February 9, 2017 7:11pm
Jack5

Dairy prices up but interest rates steady despite expectations and forecasts. The result: the kiwi dollar falls.

Proof that our floating currency levels are set not by trade – as free traders would claim – but by capital flows and speculators.

Trumpists are right when they say free trade’s achilles heel is currency manipulation by the big industrial exporting countries.
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February 9, 2017 11:28am
- kowtow
  
  I read somewhere that the most traded “commodity” in the world is currencies.
  
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  February 9, 2017 12:20pm
  - cmm
    
    Well that is mostly because of high frequency trading.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading
    
    Computers will buy and sell the same currency many times per second. The trading is so fast that traders often use private networks to get reduced latency.
    
    If you’re buying and selling like that it isn’t really a commodity any more than withdrawing money from the ATM and then depositing it again is income.
    
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    February 9, 2017 4:56pm
Jack5

The Hooerald is again hammering child poverty hard, and the educationists it interviews want the living standards of Aucklkand poor levelled up.

Those who are pushing the poverty issue are the same as those pushing for multiculturism, diversity, a higher refugee intake and generally higher people inflow.

These demands are incompatible. NZ’s infrastructure is creaking – in housing, in health, in roading, and in many public utilities. Growth in GDP per capita has slowed to near steady, and export performance continues to be insufficient to balance external payments.

You cannot have both more people and more welfare and social spending, let alone maintain current living standards without solid economic growth measured in GDP per capita. If we aren’t going to have strong economic growth that means it’s necessary to slow intake of people from abroad.
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February 9, 2017 11:42am
Fletch

Our Government has set up a 24/7 “taskforce” to keep an eye on Trump… 😆

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/nz-government-sets-up-24-7-taskforce-deal-trump-administration

As long as it makes them feel better….
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February 9, 2017 12:49pm
- realityczech
  
  They need to purge the women, and other communists, from Nationals ranks.
  
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  February 9, 2017 5:58pm
- cha
  
  Well, someone has to do it.
  
  A report alleging that Donald Trump called his national security adviser in the middle of the night for guidance on whether a strong or a weak dollar is good for the economy has sparked criticism and ridicule across social media.
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/donald-trump-us-dollar-strong-weak-unsure-best-economy-national-security-adviser-mike-flynn-a7568771.html
  
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  February 9, 2017 7:58pm
rangitoto

Remoaners crushed in the commons..

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4203320/PM-faces-revolt-refusal-pledge-EU-national-rights.html
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February 9, 2017 12:56pm
- Inandout
  
  The tide has turned in Europe as well, and this year many migrant hugging governments will get a nasty surprise. The Trump effect is spreading.
  
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  February 9, 2017 1:04pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , like Trump twittering and childishly wimpering about his sliding poll ratings ?
    
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    February 9, 2017 1:43pm
Manolo

Expecting Sessions’ confirmation:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/08/us/politics/jeff-sessions-attorney-general-confirmation.html
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February 9, 2017 1:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, too much ! The terrible MSM NYT ?
  
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  February 9, 2017 1:40pm
Happychappy

Did any one see Annette King lose her rag at the end of her speech in the debate straight after question time. I am making comment on the way she cried Bennetts speech and it being the most disgusting speech that has been made in her time in Parliament. All this from a person that covered up for a former Labour MP that was alleged to have been seen chasing a naked lad from the home of Mr’s King and where he lived. I find it a bit rich that she finds Paulas words worse that the speech given by several members of the house in the debate that was allowed the day John Key announced his resignation from Prime Minister. Isn’t it just fine when you give it but cry wolf when it is given back.
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February 9, 2017 1:45pm
- Gabby
  
  But isn’t Gerry Browneye a great big crappy fatty chappy.
  
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  February 9, 2017 9:58pm
- RF
  
  King is a pathetic old lady. Well past her use by date.
  
  Time to go.
  
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  February 9, 2017 10:19pm
Manolo

Coincidence? The English stephieboys want the same number of refugees over there:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204806/UK-350-child-refugees-Dubs-deal.html

Britain will only take in 350 child refugees because cash-strapped councils have run out of space, the Government announced today.

Campaigners had called for 3,000 unaccompanied minors be taken in by Britain and this is the figure many expected to accept through the scheme.
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February 9, 2017 2:13pm
- Longknives
  
  I think people are finally picking up on the fact that most of those ‘Child Refugees’ are in fact bearded 32 year old Men! Allahu Akhbar….
  
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  February 9, 2017 2:40pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Longknives , mostly like these ones ?
    
    http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/michigan/files/styles/x_large/public/201512/syrian_refugees.jpg
    
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    February 9, 2017 3:28pm
starboard

There were also dubious dealings allegedly done when King was Minister of Health and her husband , Ray Lind..was COO at Hawkes Bay Health Board.
King aint squeeky clean..at all.
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February 9, 2017 2:13pm
Manolo

A beast gets jail:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/arizona-man-sentenced-for-planning-islamic-state-inspired-attack-in-texas-1486595045?mod=e2tw

A federal judge on Wednesday sentenced a Phoenix man to 30 years in prison for helping to plan an Islamic-State inspired attack in Texas.

Abdul Malik Abdul Kareem, 45 years old, was found guilty last March of five charges related to his role in plotting an attack by two gunmen on a 2015 event in Garland, Texas, that featured a cartoon-drawing contest of the Prophet Muhammad.
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February 9, 2017 3:07pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  To be fair, most art these days makes me want to destroy the human race.
  
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  February 9, 2017 3:10pm
  - stephieboy
    
    ASB , but I presume not kick a pregnant Muslim woman in the stomach ?
    
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    February 9, 2017 3:25pm
    - Longknives
      
      What a peculiar answer Stephieboy…
      
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      February 9, 2017 3:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Re Gump’s post at 10.33am !
        
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        February 9, 2017 3:36pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      I know you can’t help yourself stephie, but you really shouldn’t go about impugning your fellow posters with baseless accusations of imaginary or attempted violence. From memory, you didn’t like me talking about your wife and her pregnancy nastily, and fair enough.
      Have the same respect for the lady as you expected me to have about your wife. If you can’t – please stop responding to me. You are lucky I don’t report you for this comment.
      
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      February 9, 2017 4:14pm
- PhilBest
  
  Wasn’t that the attack where this guy’s colleagues were taken out swiftly and efficiently by Texas cops and event security?
  
  They found out the hard way that Texas isn’t Sweden or the Netherlands, or even California.
  
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  February 9, 2017 4:49pm
Salacious Crumb

So to all the NZ Rugby haters from yesterday; you may be interested in this excerpt from the latest press release:

“Lock Patrick Tuipulotu has been cleared of any wrongdoing after he was fully exonerated by the results of an anti-doping test. He is now cleared to return to rugby immediately.

New Zealand Rugby (NZR) and the New Zealand Rugby Players Association (NZRPA) received notification today from Six Nations that the results of testing on Tuipulotu’s doping control B sample from the US-based World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA)-accredited laboratory Sports Medicine Research and Testing Laboratory (SMRTL) in Salt Lake City confirmed no presence of a Specified Substance listed on the WADA’s 2016 Prohibited List.”

So will we see some retraction from the haters out there or will they double down with more bullshit conspiracy and nastiness?
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February 9, 2017 3:43pm
- Zapper
  
  I expect Mark Reason, longknives and Big Bruv to quickly apologise.
  
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  February 9, 2017 3:48pm
- RF
  
  Where there is smoke.. there is fire !!!!!
  
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  February 9, 2017 10:21pm
Manolo

The new political reality for the Clinton Party:
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/congress/article131538924.html

But the path to regaining political relevancy for House Democrats, who have 193 of the House’s 435 seats, remains an uphill climb, with the party’s support increasingly limited to the coasts and big cities.
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February 9, 2017 3:45pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Nooooooo lol this is the new Clinton Party.
  
  Hillary Clinton – The Wandering Folk Hero (I shit you not)
  
  How Hillary Clinton Went from Presidential Candidate to Wandering Folk Hero
  
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  February 9, 2017 4:21pm
  - Manolo
    
    Crooked Hillary is now a figure of ridicule.
    
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    February 9, 2017 5:39pm
  - realityczech
    
    *************FAKE NEWS**************
    
    She is hated by all decent right minded people. The media are making up fake-news about her being a hero, after running an hysterical propaganda campaign on her behalf.
    
    Only a few bottom feeders support her.
    
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    February 9, 2017 5:56pm
Happychappy

Who pays for all these inquiry like Labour and the Greens are having with Grey Power in Takaka. Also why would you Travel to a wee place like Takaka 90 minutes out of Nelson to have a inquiry old peoples health.
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February 9, 2017 5:30pm
Manolo

Australia plans to play hardball:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4205204/Australia-seeks-Trump-style-powers-reject-immigrants.html
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February 9, 2017 5:34pm
JasonJohns

Sickening news…Gorsuch is a stealth commie…

No wonder he’s bagging Trump already…

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-judiciary/318565-could-court-pick-gorsuch-be-a-crypto-liberal-conservatives
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February 9, 2017 5:56pm
- Inandout
  
  Trump gave a speech yesterday explaining the legalities of his migrant halt. These lower order radical judges are being mischievous.
  
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  February 9, 2017 7:10pm
Manolo

Europe’s future is bleak:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/09/2017-terror-forecast-for-us-europe-alarming-says-house-report.html
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February 9, 2017 7:03pm
- cha
  
  Just fucking peachy.
  
  @20committee someone stole a suitcase with radioactive material in Catalonia Spain,there are logistical cells of ISIS over there https://t.co/ZIljh6Qcym— Godfrey of Bouillon (@g_bouillon) February 8, 2017
  
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  February 9, 2017 7:52pm
  - realityczech
    
    I see what you did there . Do you write for Stuffed “news” ?
    
    someone stole a suitcase with radioactive material in Catalonia Spain, a strong hold of deeply devout Catholics
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:04pm
    - cha
      
      If you’d ever been there you’d know the church lost it’s grip in Catalonia long ago.
      
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      February 9, 2017 8:10pm
      - realityczech
        
        Not the point. And you know it. You were linking it to a group with zero evidence. Eg: Homosexual orgies disturbing neighbors in a meeting area favoured by cha.
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:21pm
      - cha
        
        No, you fucking cabbage, I never linked a report on the theft of radioactive material to anyone.
        
        The author of the tweet notes the theft of radioactive material and the possibility that there are active ISIS cells in the region where the theft occurred.
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:26pm
      - realityczech
        
        And I linked the homosexual orgies to an area you are “active” in with exactly the same weight of evidence for that link.
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:32pm
      - cha
        
        I linked the homosexual orgies to
        
        Because that deep deep itch way up in your sigmoid colon’s back again, isn’t it?.
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:38pm
      - realityczech
        
        Give your heart to Jesus and wean yourself off cock cha.
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:39pm
      - nasska
        
        We haven’t had a love interest like this on the blog since Johnboy & Penny fell out. 🙂
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:43pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        @nasska,
        I heard it was Penny refused to go through the dip before lovemaking. JohnBoy has standards apparently.
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:58pm
      - stigie
        
        When you love cock, how do you wean yourself off cock may i ask..?
        I mean how could Penny refuse Johnboy’s for christ sake !~
        
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        February 9, 2017 8:59pm
      - nasska
        
        The bit about the dip was just a lover’s tiff Ballsack.
        
        What wrecked the relationship was Penny not fronting up with the dowry of two kilometres of hand-knitted barbed wire. 🙂
        
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        February 9, 2017 9:04pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I shit 2 kilometers of barbed wire just reading one of Pennys posts. So I am selling a couple of thousand miles cheap! Perhaps the Americans will be interested…I saw plenty at the last DNC meeting, ironically.
        
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        February 9, 2017 9:12pm
  - realityczech
    
    nasska, he keeps his comments short to allow my time for his perverted indulgences.
    
    BTW this is the Twitter sign for rampant gay sex predator: /
    
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    February 9, 2017 8:52pm
    - nasska
      
      You’ll probably find it kinky at first RC. 🙂
      
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      February 9, 2017 9:01pm
      - realityczech
        
        With the Lords help I will resist the filthy back-slashing pervert nasska 🙂
        
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        February 9, 2017 9:07pm
Manolo

Will they lose some funding? Allahu akbar.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/08/muslim-charity-with-ties-to-controversial-imam-worries-jeff-sessions-will-cut-off-its-federal-funding/
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February 9, 2017 7:30pm
cha

That clothing store got off lightly

Mr Hume:

I’ve just read your lousy review of Margaret’s concert. I’ve come to the conclusion that you are an “eight ulcer man on four ulcer pay.”

It seems to me that you are a frustrated old man who wishes he could have been successful. When you write such poppy-cock as was in the back section of the paper you work for it shows conclusively that you’re off the beam and at least four of your ulcers are at work.

Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you’ll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below!

Pegler, a gutter snipe, is a gentleman alongside you. I hope you’ll accept that statement as a worse insult than a reflection on your ancestry.

H.S.T.

https://www.trumanlibrary.org/trivia/letter.htm
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February 9, 2017 8:02pm
Sir Leslie Bottocks

Let there be light, sound, drums, guitar …

Let there be ROCK!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3f2g4RMfhS0
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February 9, 2017 8:08pm
- cha
  
  If you’re a devil for punishment.
  
  http://www.lazerhorse.org/2016/01/16/the-last-second-of-every-acdc-song-ever-recorded/#
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:12pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Guns and Roses was pretty #@$%ing awesome did you get to see them Sir?
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:51pm
starboard

This smells trendsetters..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/88891478/deputy-nz-first-leader-ron-mark-patron-of-failed-te-awa-o-te-ora-trust

Marks daughter involved..smells very much..
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February 9, 2017 8:45pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Every one of those quangos fail with loss of taxpayer money. It’ll be back in another form with a different name next year. We have a money tree, didn’t you hear?
  
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  February 9, 2017 8:56pm
- RF
  
  Private Mark had other issues to deal with. He burnt the toast and was put on peeling potatoes duty.
  
  Got to love those special family trusts. They attract certain people like flies to honey. Anyone know if Mickey Savage set it up.
  
  Christ.. see how they all abandoned ship when the sea gets rough. So much for the captain going down with his ship. Not what I would expect from a potential leader of a political party. Winnie will not be pleased.
  
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  February 9, 2017 10:02pm
starboard

Yup..quango #4673… thievery , that’s what is is.

Its always a maori trust…te iti te feety trust
te feety te iti trust…how much is enough maori ?
How long you gona keep screwin the white man?
How long we gona let them screw us ?
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February 9, 2017 9:19pm
nasska

You forget that they are a spiritual people to whom money & accountability are of lesser importance than aroha & hoatu.
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February 9, 2017 9:25pm
Nostradamus

Poto Williams statement on the Labour Party website:

I met with Willie Jackson last night and we had a robust and honest conversation about the concerns I had raised last weekend. I made the offer to meet Willie and I was pleased that he accepted.
…
Having spoken with Willie, I believe his apology is genuine. He realises he still has more to learn about the issues of sexual violence. In that regard I hope to help him increase his understanding and our conversations will continue. I welcome that opportunity and Willie is keen for that to occur. We are committed to working together on this.

Andrew Little can sleep well tonight knowing that everything is ok!
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February 9, 2017 10:10pm
BeeSting

No Species Compares to the European Bee

AND

Nothing in this World Compares to the European Peoples.

Nothing.

The Reason most Europeans have Tutankhamen’s DNA is we created that as well.

Even the Word Scot comes from an Egyptian Princes.

The Out of Africa we are all really CHIMPs
from Africa is Marxist Science.

Liberia is the Best Illustration of a World
with out Europeans set up by freed slaves
from America – Not White person is allowed
a Liberian Passport

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRuSS0iiFyo

New Zealand will go back to this soon enough.
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February 10, 2017 12:45am
Manolo

What will Mr English offer?
https://news.grabien.com/story-trump-drudge-phenomenal-tax-cut-package-coming-2-3-weeks
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February 10, 2017 5:50am
Manolo

The barbarians join forces:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2822092/hamas-commandos-head-to-egypt-to-join-isis/
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