General Debate 27 February 2017

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Inandout

Did I hear the whole studio at TV3 breakfast show clap when they reported a US movement to get rid of Trump? Impartial MSM my arse!!
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February 27, 2017 8:02am
- Viking2
  
  Save yourself the pain. Go for a walk instead of watching the crap they churn out.
  Don’t miss the telly at all. At least with online you can choose.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:07am
  - fernglas
    
    TV3 is on its last legs, TVNZ not far behind. And hey, WGAF?
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:08am
  - Inandout
    
    I ‘heard’ it and yes I wish I could just go for a walk, but work calls.
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:16am
- PhilBest
  
  Where’s Manolo?????
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:11am
  - Manolo
    
    Up and running since 5.45am every morning! 😀
    
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    February 27, 2017 12:37pm
    - PhilBest
      
      I must join you sometime!
      
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      February 27, 2017 6:38pm
- oldpark
  
  @Inandout 8.02 am
  
  The handclap was led by Drunken Duncan,nuff said.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:21am
- calendar girl
  
  Left-leaning media simply will not accept the democratic choice of the USA electorate.
  
  The only acceptable outcome is when the left wins.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:30am
  - itstricky
    
    The only acceptable outcome is when the left wins.
    
    I’m sure that’s the reason. The half baked, out of his depth, fake, narcissistic, lying, ex reality TV bully has absolutely nothing to do with it.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:09am
    - Fletch
      
      I get the feeling that they would have protested whichever right wing candidate got in. Politics has changed now. After 8 years of Obama the leftist ideology has dug into the psyche of the polis (from the highest Hollywood star, to the lowest street protestor) like the tendrils of a verruca that can’t easily be dug out.
      
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      February 27, 2017 11:26am
- VicParking
  
  TV3’s headline last night was “Government Budget Blowout”. Same with RNZ. I thought it should have been more along the lines of “Government opens heart and wallet to support homeless families”
  OR:
  “Government hands out money to familes who trash every house they live in and dont pay the rent”
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:41am
  - Gabby
    
    If only they hadn’t denied there was a problem in the first place.
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:54am
  - Komata
    
    Vicparking
    
    Sometimes, ‘Truth’ is stranger than fiction (although the media haven’t quite decided which is which).
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:55am
- Rodney Randall
  
  You are referring to the Lugenpresse
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:48am
- trout
  
  A quote from one of the Herald’s lefty columnists, Paul Little on his visit to the US:
  
  ‘But the influential CNN and MSNBC in particular were wall-to-wall Trump. And Donald Trump is right about one thing – the media are biased in a way that does them no credit. Those networks were populated with panels who were anti-Trump to a man and woman. Which is no way to have a debate.
  
  And without debate there is no democracy. They were little more than cacophonous echo chambers in which people who agreed with each other sat around doing so vociferously.
  These observations, remember, are based only on three separate and unique environments.
  
  It could well be very different in other places, but I saw no pussies unwelcomely grabbed; no Russians swaggering around like they owned the place; no White House tradespeople being told they wouldn’t be paid because the exposure was worth so much.
  
  But most worryingly, I saw no dissent apart from that expressed by people paid to do so on TV.
  
  If nothing else, the indifference I encountered, when compared to the passion with which the subject is pursued in the media, is all the proof you need that the US is now a country dangerously divided.’
  
  ‘Divided’ in this sense is the gulf between a largely indifferent population and a MSM that are so far up themselves that they believe they are the fount of all wisdom.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:50am
  - reid3
    
    The Purple Revolution is prepping for the American Spring right now. You ain’t seen nothing yet.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:54am
    - Komata
      
      reid3
      
      ‘Sedition’ is a word which comes to mind…
      
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      February 27, 2017 9:57am
    - stephieboy
      
      reid, with naturally funding by the nefarious Jew Soros ?
      
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      February 27, 2017 11:58am
  - Fletch
    
    Yah, the general population seems indifferent because they are. Most normal people don’t want to “dissent” and will give the new president a chance. It’s only those fringe lefties, the Hollywood elites, and the biased media who are incensed.
    
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    February 27, 2017 11:51am
duggledog

Good on Trump for not going to that dinner. Chock full of enemies who would love to have him there to abuse, in public, for free.

Reminds me of that time Paula Bennett declined going along to some function Presland organised because she knew it was a set up
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February 27, 2017 8:04am
- PhilBest
  
  Pushback against the Left’s long march through the institutions has been so long coming, and the long march had been allowed to get so far unopposed, and become so entrenched, the MSM (who are culpable participants in it) and the other social elites, just don’t get what is happening now in the USA.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:08am
  - howitis
    
    Look at our Universities esp. the trash and tragedy that Otago Uni has become.
    
    Sadly we are seeing no pushback in NZ.
    In fact the Gnats are flooding NZ with record immigration with an increase to Auckland of nearly 5% pa year on year from sources that average down not average up.
    
    No wonder the Waterview roadway that has been fluffed about for more than half a decade will be grossly inadequate by the time it might finally open. #whocaresafterthislong
    
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    February 27, 2017 2:52pm
    - PhilBest
      
      Yes, it is a barefaced lie from the anti-car activists (who have far too much influence) that our problems are because of “induced traffic” and new roads “always filling up faster than we build them”.
      
      We are decades behind providing adequate capacity for natural growth and economic growth and evolution (which gets more people into their own cars).
      
      There is a half-truth in the mantra that “you can’t build your way out of congestion” (actually you could, but it would be absurdly non-cost-effective). Non-priced roads will always find a balance at some level of congestion at peak, particularly on the highest-demanded routes. But cities that have kept on building highways (and arterials) have successfully kept congestion to a constant level.
      
      For example, US cities the size of Auckland have a TomTom congestion delay of around 15 minutes per hour of driving at peak, while Auckland has over 40 minutes. This difference is due entirely to the difference in actual lane-miles provided. Public Transport is an irrelevance. Nowhere is it “the solution that made the difference” – everywhere with less congestion than Auckland (among comparably populated cities), has more road space per capita, end of story. Even those cities that the PT fetishists say have utopian PT systems!
      
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      February 27, 2017 6:45pm
Viking2

Well back to work after a summer weekend.
Darn.
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February 27, 2017 8:05am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I recognise that, we went to the air show at Ohakea and it was brilliant! Well done to the organisers, those on the exhibits for their enthusiastic answers to the same dumb questions for the 1000th time, the aircrews, all those involved really and my God for providing flawless Manawatu weather on Saturday ?✈️
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:48am
Nukuleka

The sooner RNZ is privatised the better. Each day we must endure what is nothing more than blatant left wing advocacy and propaganda from Radio NZ ‘news’.

This morning it began with the homeless being ‘pimped’ and Youth Child and Family being garotted. I turned it off after that as I was sure there would be an anti-Trump assault coming up next.

Sell it Mr English. Put the NZ taxpayer out of his/ her misery!
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February 27, 2017 8:09am
- macdee
  
  Hear, hear. It’s negativity is relentless, every winger gets a soft interiew and any one with rational explanations or anything positive to say is sneered at, cut short or dismissed with a silly giggle from Espiner in particular.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:37am
- MCos
  
  You may not have to endure it much longer. Pretty soon euthanasia might become legal.
  Alternatively you could switch the radio off.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:43am
- Rich Prick
  
  You predicted correctly. They trotted out Tom Scott who mused over Trump’s state of mind, likeness to Muldoon and yes, there was the obligatory reference to Hitler. I think they’re the ones who have gone mad.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
    Rich Prick,
    
    ” I think they’re the ones who have gone mad.”
    
    Rich irony alert !
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:32am
    - Rich Prick
      
      You’re up early, wet the bed again?
      
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      February 27, 2017 9:35am
oldpark

Heard a funny peculiar person called Hosking, on Newstalk ZB morning show,comes on at 6..00am .The show once was top shelf but has fallen away since NewstalkZB came under the “”fake news” ownership of NZ HERALD.
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February 27, 2017 8:09am
- VicParking
  
  This morning I heard stories that used the word “Sources” to raise negative comments to support a story critical of the Government. Looks like they have caught the CNN disease.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:32am
  - fernglas
    
    If the media had to name their sources every time, information would dry up. It’s like the police with informers. The reporter has to make a call about whether the information is credible and then can use it. The reader can also make an assessment about whether to accept the information or not.To do what Trump suggests, and require all sources to be identified, would mean all that could be published was information from someone who wasn’t in fear of their livelihood or safety for disclosing, and is therefore likely to be in favour of the establishment. One man’s whistleblower is another’s traitor.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:20am
- RF
  
  Oldpark. I agree as I have not heard Hosking for a week and now notice that the standard has slipped. He sounds tired and lacking in his usual sharp tongue.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:42am
  - PhilBest
    
    Possibly under a new level of pressure to toe PC lines more closely?
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:49am
    - fernglas
      
      Or just bored shitless with the tedium of trying to find something interesting or controversial to say about this country day in, day out?
      
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      February 27, 2017 9:21am
- stephieboy
  
  oldpark ,
  
  James O’keefe = the Truth ?
  
  LOL !
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:33am
  - oldpark
    
    @SHARIABOY @9.33am
    
    Well spotted O’Keefe , the Australian cricketer did a superb job,as he spun out Indians with his spin. This time your spin comment,is on the spot.LOL.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:49am
  - PhilBest
    
    Do actual videos lie?
    
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    February 27, 2017 6:47pm
- GazzaW
  
  Same stories as the Herald. ZB News is just the talking book version.
  
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  February 27, 2017 1:23pm
kowtow

WH correspondance dinner , massive worldwide coverage and comment by the lying media and yet a real threat to free speech and democracy under way in the only elected EU institution barely rates a mention.

“MEPs granted the parliament’s president authority to pull the plug on live broadcasts of parliamentary debate in cases of racist speech or acts and to purge offending video or audio material from the online system. ”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/26/censorship-concerns-european-parliament-introduces-kill-switch/
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February 27, 2017 8:09am
- cmm
  
  Purge.
  
  Lefties love a good purge.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:12am
  - itstricky
    
    You mean like this?
    
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/general_debate_25_february_2017.html#comment-1880032
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:13am
    - itstricky
      
      The scary thing is that s/he got 19 upticks…
      
      … Maybe KBers are all lefties cmm
      
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      February 27, 2017 9:17am
Kimbo

Morning, Manolo. Please forward your next recommended title for my rapidly-expanding personal Physics library…
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February 27, 2017 8:10am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I don’t know at what level you want some Physics reading, but if you ever get the chance to get hold of a PSSC textbook, teacher’s guide or films… you’ll get an incredible introduction to the subject.
  http://www.compadre.org/portal/pssc/pssc.cfm
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:24am
  - Griff
    
    Maggy who denies basic physics
    rofl
    giving out advice on physics .
    Why dont you read some maggy dear?
    Basic stuff known for over a century and undisputed in the literature
    Lke green house gasses and how thy7e work.
    What a non condensing gas is and why its constituent follows other forcing in our atmosphere?
    On second thoughts .
    Stick to biology lovey….
    
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    February 27, 2017 2:54pm
    - Kimbo
      
      giving out advice on physics .
      Why dont you read some maggy dear?
      Basic stuff known for over a century and undisputed in the literature
      Lke green house gasses and how thy7e work.
      What a non condensing gas is and why its constituent follows other forcing in our atmosphere?
      
      Um, I waved study of the hard sciences good bye a long time ago (but thanks to Maolo I may do some reading),
      
      nonetheless, what you’ve described sounds like ‘chemistry’, not ‘physics’.
      
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      February 27, 2017 2:58pm
- Manolo
  
  Maths today: An oldie but a goldie for you, avid reader and aspiring mathematician: The music of the primes by Marcus du Sautoy
  
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  February 27, 2017 12:39pm
Lucia Maria

From the Onion (it’s satire): Frustrated Russian Officials Struggling To Get Any Policies Through Dysfunctional Trump Administration

MOSCOW—Lamenting that internal disorganization was making it extremely difficult to get anything done, Russian officials voiced their frustration Thursday about continuing struggles to get policies through the dysfunctional Trump administration. “You’d think that after being in the White House for a month, they’d have at least some rudimentary process for rolling out our new proposals, but it’s just been a mess so far,” said Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, adding that the recent dismissal of Michael Flynn as national security advisor was “just the tip of the iceberg” in a chaotic White House where internal conflicts and numerous leaks made it hard for the Russians to implement any workable ideas at all. “Nobody, but nobody, knows who’s in charge. If they’re not dragging their feet getting our new legislative demands in front of Congress, they’re rushing out some executive order before we’ve even finalized it. We don’t know what’s going on half the time, so how on earth are we supposed to get anything accomplished?” An exasperated Shoigu went on to say that the administration was in such disarray, rolling back sanctions might take a year longer than planned, and abandoning NATO might actually be out of the question.

Could almost be true!
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February 27, 2017 8:11am
- chiz
  
  Putin Starting to Wonder If His Puppets Are Smart Enough to Pull This Off:
  
  MOSCOW (The Borowitz Report)—Russian President Vladimir Putin is “starting to get concerned” that the puppets he installed in the executive branch of the U.S. government “might not be up to the task at hand,” sources confirmed on Tuesday.
  
  According to the sources, the flameout of the national-security adviser Michael Flynn was only the most recent event that has caused Putin to wonder if the figureheads he propelled into office are “just too dim-witted” to serve the goals of the Russian Federation.
  
  “When you choose a puppet, you’re looking for a sweet spot,” one source close to Putin said. “You want to choose someone who’s dumb enough to be manipulated, but not so dumb that he can’t find the light switches.”
  
  “Increasingly, it looks like we missed that sweet spot,” the source said.
  
  Putin is reportedly willing to have a “wait and see” attitude with his current puppets, but, if things do not improve markedly, he will not hesitate to “make some changes,” the source said.
  
  “President Putin knew that this bunch didn’t have a lot of experience in government and that there were bound to be some growing pains,” the source said. “But, geez.”
  
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  February 27, 2017 12:09pm
duggledog

Someone once remarked that the Media think they are the new clergy.

Pretty much sums it up really.

Nukuleka – they can’t sell RNZ. Too risky with the electorate. What National could do, though, if they had any balls, is force it to make use of its large listenership and carry advertising. Just a bit – say two minutes an hour, and sponsorship.

This would have one great effect – it would mean RNZ would have to employ actual businesspeople, who tend to be National party people.

This would pull it at least back to the centre where it should be
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February 27, 2017 8:11am
- Gabby
  
  Then they could rely on the sponsors to push ‘problematic’ items out of the news right? You cunning eh.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:27am
- PhilBest
  
  British Libertarian Sean Gabb addressing the “Young Conservatives” in 2009, on what an incoming David Cameron government should do:
  
  “…My first piece of advice is to understand the nature of your enemy….Over the past few generations, a new Establishment or ruling class has emerged in this country. It is a loose coalition of politicians, bureaucrats, educators, media people and associated business interests. These are people who derive income and status from an enlarged and activist state….They will accept a Conservative Government on sufferance – but only so long as it works within a system that robs ordinary people of their wealth and their freedom. They will never consent to what should be the Conservative strategy of bringing about an irreversible transfer of power from the State back into the hands of ordinary people.
  A Cameron Government, as I have said, seems willing to try coexistence with the EstablishmentThe Thatcher Government set out to fight and defeat an earlier and less confident version of the Establishment – but only on those fronts where its policies were most resisted. It won numerous battles, but, we can now see, it lost the war…
  “…If you want to win the battle for this country, you need to take advice from the Marxists….they were experts in the means to their ends. They knew more than we have ever thought about the seizure and retention of power…
  “…The meaning of this is that you should not try to work with the Establishment. You should not try to jolly it along. You should not try fighting it on narrow fronts. You must regard it as the enemy, and you must smash it.
  On the first day of your government, you should close down the BBC. You should take it off air. You should disclaim its copyrights. You should throw all its staff into the street. You should not try to privatise the BBC. This would simply be to transfer the voice of your enemy from the public to the private sector, where it might be more effective in its opposition. You must shut it down – and shut it down at once. You should do the same with much of the administration…”
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:55am
  - stephieboy
    
    Like Newstalk ZB and tinder dry St Leighton Smith.
    
    LOL
    
    Liberatrian Sean Labb now another Trumpist statist convert ?
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:39am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      sigh.. .
      
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      February 27, 2017 10:00am
kowtow

The Swedes are still spinning madly over Trump’s comments and yet the front page of The Local reports a spate of rapes and a suspicious fire at an illegal immigrants accomodation. Even the story about Chicago being more dangerous than Malmo is an own goal , hint whose doing the shooting in Chicago ?

http://www.thelocal.se/20170226/suspected-rape-after-stockholm-pirate-taxi-journey
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February 27, 2017 8:12am
redqueen

Bill Paxton died 🙁

http://www.tmz.com/2017/02/26/bill-paxton-dead-dies/
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February 27, 2017 8:12am
- Lance
  
  That’s it… game over man
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:16am
  - redqueen
    
    Hudson, secure that shit! 🙁
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:35am
pdm

Summer at the weekend?

Maybe but it is an Autumn morning in Hastings today and we had a few similar last week as well.

Nature does what it wants.
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February 27, 2017 8:13am
- alex Masterley
  
  Definitely an Autumnal tinge in Auckland mornings this past weekend.
  Did I blink and miss summer?
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:44am
- VicParking
  
  Global warming, Summer will never end.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:44am
Manolo

An oldie but a goldie for Kimbo, aspiring mathematician: The music of the primes by Marcus du Sautoy.
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February 27, 2017 8:22am
Happychappy

A great example of producing facts and them being distorted minutes after a interview this morning on the AM Show. Duncan Garner asked Bill English today why were some people in emergency housing in motels being counted as tourists instead of homeless by his Government. The answer wasthat Statistics NZ is their own identity and the government does not have any input into the data they release and should not have any. Now I thought he explained this very well and there should not be any argument about it but the AM Show has kept repeating their opinion all morning.
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February 27, 2017 8:24am
- Gabby
  
  He might think that they could have been ‘advised’ on how to classify motel dwellers. Bingles might just be lying by omission. It’s not unknown.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:29am
- oldpark
  
  What would we expect from Drunken Duncan the scourge of Thorndon Quay,in Wellington. Time for Drunken Duncan to come clean.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:32am
Chuck Bird

Does anyone think Ian Binnie acted professionally with his personal attack on Judith Collins on the Sunday show? He even commented on the colour of her dress.
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February 27, 2017 8:24am
- Happychappy
  
  The Law society must think so as they have him as their Guest Speaker in September, isn’t this about the same time as our General Election,
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:35am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    From memory he is coming to talk in August and it is not to the Law Society. I must check what the organization is. I will try and find a link to the show.
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:43am
    - Happychappy
      
      NZ Criminal Bar Association in August so it is not that long before our General Election.
      
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      February 27, 2017 9:13am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I just checked and found the same. I was not being pedantic. I will contacting them. Judith Collins did nothing wrong. It would have been easiest for her to have accepts Binnie’s seriously flawed report.
        
        I do not know why Simon Power ever picked Binnie – a Judicial Activist.
        
        Binnie does not know how the system is supposed to work. He says he does not think Cabinet would have paid nearly $1m if they thought David Bain was guilty. That was not their job to judge his guilt or innocence. However, they were quite wrong to make the payment. There is never been a payment made when the reviewer found the person more likely guilty than innocent. There is not likely to be another such payment. It was made for political purposes. The country meaning voters was split on the issue.
        
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        February 27, 2017 10:00am
    - fernglas
      
      Why will you be contacting the Criminal Bar Association, Chuck? Do you disapprove of their choice of speaker?
      
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      February 27, 2017 11:30am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Absolutely, the fact that they could invited such an unprofessional clown brings the association into further disrepute.
        
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        February 27, 2017 3:36pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Just realised of whom you remind me, Chuck Bird: Mr Angry of Mayfair:
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPoOgCSjdl8
        
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        February 27, 2017 3:41pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Kimbo, get on topic. What do you think of Binnie?
        
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        February 27, 2017 3:49pm
      - Kimbo
        
        1. It’s General Debate you grumpy old bossy boots so everything is on topic! Like I said, Mr Angry of Mayfair 😉
        
        2. As demonstrated on a number of occasions, your rat-bag habit of demanding answers to questions like that latest one, then not reciprocating on threads where you initiated the subject of discussion has long since forfeited for you the privilege of having your interrogations answered
        
        3. Nonetheless, if you did some research, you would see I have already answered that question elsewhere on today’s General Debate.
        
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        February 27, 2017 3:59pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Kimbo you arrogant fool. You think I should look at your every utterance before commenting. You would not talk so much shit if you did not have your tongue up John Key’s arse.
        
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        February 27, 2017 4:41pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …you think I should look at your every utterance before commenting.
        
        Says the guy who seems to think I and anyone else has to jump and answer every demand you make. And I only mentioned it in passing so that, if you were really interested in my opinion (you’re not – nor anyone else’s for that matter. Instead, you use interrogating others as a means to rhetorically threadjack)
        
        …you could search it out.
        
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        February 27, 2017 4:55pm
- Notsofast
  
  I missed Binnie on Collins, it is surprisingly difficult to find the broadcast on the internet. If anyone can furnish a link I would be grateful.
  I hear he was scathing, which may be simply due to his understanding that blood on dad’s wrists should be absent at morning prayer, that this blood would be tested for origin after a multiple homicide in some jurisdictions, and that it is immeasurably difficult to fire a gun at point blank range where the trajectory exactly matches the most comfortable suicide trajectory. Yes, check it national party stalwarts. Science is a strange country for you people including Collins Adams and Key.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:38am
  - Happychappy
    
    TV One on demand
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:45am
  - Notsofast
    
    Hmm six down votes so far.
    
    Which is it?
    Notsofast is an insufferable jerk.
    It is commonplace to wake with blood smeared on your wrists.
    David Bain smeared it there.
    Testing for origin of blood in a multiple homicide is unnecessary, even for blood grouping.
    It is easy to persuade someone to be shot at pointblank range from their front left quarter.
    It is easy to calculate and deliver on precise trajectory.
    Science is correctly irrelevant to national party cabinet members.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:48am
    - Lance
      
      @Notsofast
      meh… facts
      Who needs them anymore?
      They tend to be inconvenient
      
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      February 27, 2017 9:52am
      - Notsofast
        
        Yes they are inconvenient. The list of politicians to agree with this on judicial matters excludes Rob Muldoon, but includes Margaret Wilson, Doug Graham, Phil Goff, Judith Collins, Amy Adams and John Key, the mightiest commentator of all.
        
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        February 27, 2017 10:14am
- G152
  
  Yes. His main fault is that he didn’t do (or find) what Collins wanted..
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:33am
  - stephieboy
    
    Binnie gave a report that was both biased and liitered with factual errors.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:42am
    - Notsofast
      
      I thought Binnie made the gross error of showing facts trump opinion. He has no understanding of our noble system but Amy Adams was on fire when declaring she was the only New Zealander with an open mind. She might have missed that the privy council declared a miscarriage of justice and a jury attentive to the scientific evidence decided Robin Bain did the crime. As did all sane New Zealanders who were not captured by the phony findings of Bryan Bruce and MARTIN VAN BEYNEN that disgraceful little upstart that sullied the Christchurch Press forever.
      
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      February 27, 2017 10:20am
      - Jack5
        
        Slow down, Notsofast. Martin van Beynen did a great job covering the second Bain trial.
        
        As I recall, it was Mr van Beynen who revealed to us that some jury members partied with the Bain party at the end of the last day of the second trial. I think it was he who also revealed a jury member had a record but because of a subsequent name change, was able to slip past the selection process and into the jury.
        
        Mr van Beynen, who I believe is a former lawyer, did an outstanding job in his coverage of the Bain massacre trial.
        
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        February 27, 2017 11:12am
      - Notsofast
        
        Van Beynen attended the trial but never discussed evidence. He declared Bain guilty after the trial which is legally defamation but survived a complaint to the Press Council. Why I don’t know but the Press was a scurrilous conspirator to this ongoing judicial travesty.
        Try discussing science ahead of law and you will make progress Jack.
        
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        February 27, 2017 11:40am
      - Jack5
        
        The accusations you make about Martin van Beynen’s coverage in your 11.40 post are absolute rubbish, Notsofast.
        
        The van Beynen coverage was first class.
        
        If there was a complaint to the Press Council, why do you think it was rejected, Notsofast?
        
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        February 27, 2017 11:50am
      - Notsofast
        
        In my view the article by Van Beynen was defamatory and David Bain or his advisors should have tested this in court with a private prosecution I saw the complaint to the press council and the response. This means it is allowable to name in the press any citizen as a mass murderer. I am all in favour of free speech but not defamation of an egregious nature.
        
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        February 27, 2017 12:44pm
- realityczech
  
  Collins is disgraced and discredited. She was stood down from justice amid corruption claims.
  
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  February 27, 2017 12:29pm
RF

I heard a News Talk ZB sports jock asking if the French Police are targeting our sports heros.

No… Carter was just an idiot who thought he knew best and now faces Court for speeding, not carrying his drivers licence and EBA.

Chemical / comical Ali faces jail time and is just a smart arse who thinks he is above the law of the land. I hope he goes down big time.

I am certain Big Bruv will agree.
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February 27, 2017 8:25am
- Longknives
  
  French Police ‘targeting’ All Blacks??
  That’s the most ludicrous thing I’ve heard in ages but so typical of our biased sports media!
  Our All Black ‘Heroes’ have a free pass in New Zealand and are above the laws that bind the rest of us- As such it must be a huge culture shock for these arrogant morons to realise they can’t go overseas and drive shitfaced drunk or scoff down any illicit drug they want..
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:17am
peterwn

Any idea why the media is taking a pot at the Police Commissioner. On the surface looks like stale news (34 year old drink drive when he was a junior cop) being run on a slow news day. Seems someone got fed up with the cops and to get even fed the media a tidbit of stale news and MSM including Tracey Watkins jumped at it. She seemed to be implying the Government should have reminded everyone of the drink-drive when he was appointed Commissioner (he made the SSC and responsible Minister aware of the situation at the time).
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February 27, 2017 8:28am
- Gabby
  
  Maybe it’s tit for tat. Cop Comm would have access to some pretty juicy stuff. If he wanted.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:32am
- Happychappy
  
  I wonder if Greg dropped a tip to Tracy Watkins before he confirmed he would stand for Labour.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:39am
  - peterwn
    
    I very much doubt that Greg O’Connor is responsible – he was very much part of the Police ‘family’ and continued to be a sworn officer while Police Association chief.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:00am
    - RF
      
      O’Connors Police family connection is a sore point with many Labour & Green members.
      
      These guys & girls hate the Police and will be very wary of Greg..
      
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      February 27, 2017 10:08am
- kowtow
  
  This article in stuff notes
  
  “Stuff Circuit was told last year that a senior police officer had a conviction for drink driving. So we asked Police Headquarters how many senior police officers have ever been in trouble with the law.”
  
  So they were “told” , but no mention by who or even a hint of the source. More shit media. Clearly someone’s stirring the pot but our indispensible members of the fourth estste won’t even hint at who , what or why. Just more proof of how shit they are.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/89767953/police-commisioner-mike-bush-admits-drink-driving-conviction
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:05am
  - fernglas
    
    Digging up a 34 year old conviction is pretty despicable stuff, but to then wax indignant about the disclosure process, as some reporter did, is just plain hypocrisy. Bingham and Penfold must be short of things to bash Police for now that Teina Pora has had his conviction overturned. That this is the best they can do says volumes for the integrity of the Police and very little for the integrity of the reporters.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:26am
Albert_Ross

What struck me about the story over the weekend, about the Australian author who was rudely treated by US Customs – was that she had received a written apology from them. But that didn’t stop her going to the media to moan about her experience.

Personally I have always felt that if you have been wronged but then refuse to move on despite having received the apology that you deserved, it’s now you that is in the wrong. But that clearly wasn’t the view of the majority of those who commented on the story, sympathising with her and slamming the boot into the Customs people.

Leaving open the question – what, these days, is the actual point of an apology?
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February 27, 2017 8:38am
- Gabby
  
  The point is to attempt to conceal how common the cockups are. CYF could be killing kids left right and centre if they could shut folk up by dashing off a ‘sorreeee’ whenever they pulled a cyf.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:44am
waikatogirl

Huge catastrophic mudslides along 6km of Kaikoura coast during earthquake have completely wiped out all life living on on the rocks of the trench. Am I right in thinking this is over-hyped as the sea life will recover. Nature has a way of sorting itself out.

Possibly terrible for the whales short term if they don’t have alternative areas to hunt close by.
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February 27, 2017 8:39am
- VicParking
  
  This sort of thing has been happening for millions of years and we still managed to evolve. Maybe its natures way of stopping the Whales from moving to the land and wiping us out.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:49am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Marine scientist later said it had happened before and prior to the earthquake the Kaikoura trench had more prolific sea life than anywhere else in the world, and it would return. He said the whales have alternative hunting grounds.
    
    Took away the hyped dramatic sting out of the news story! ?
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:26am
- Ross12
  
  Absolutely right waikatogirl. They obviously don’t know what a storm is and what effects it has on moving the sand on the seafloor around.
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:15am
  - Griff
    
    Kaikoura Canyon is far to deep to be effected by wave motion .
    
    At depths greater than half the wavelength, the water motion is less than 4% of its value at the water surface and may be neglected. For example, in a pool of water 1 metre (3.3 ft) deep, a wave with a 2 metres (6.6 ft) wavelength would barely be moving the water at the bottom.
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaikoura_Peninsula#Kaikoura_Canyon
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave_base
    
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    February 27, 2017 3:08pm
    - Ross12
      
      Griff, I was talking more generally –ie. not just related to the Kiakoura Canyon.
      I think I would dispute those figures quoted in the Wikipedia link. I’m sure fisherman would disagree –talk to a crayfisherman after a decent blow about the condition/position of his pots.
      
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      February 27, 2017 6:19pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s devastating news.
  
  I do the hope the habitat of my beloved Kaikoura flatworm has been spared.
  http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/5852/multivirile-flatworm
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:21am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Sorry Maggy, your beloved flatworm was one of the examples of habitat ‘devastated’ by tons of mud. The good news, they are everywhere and will return. ?
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:29am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Anything with 226 penises is worth saving.
      
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      February 27, 2017 3:14pm
      - Manolo
        
        Maggy, that facet of yours was completely unknown to me. I’ll send you some stiletto shoes.
        
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        February 27, 2017 3:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Manolo
        
        That was the highlight of my encyclopedic career, tracking down the one & only pic of Anonymus multivirilis (fabulous name).
        
        Can you steel cap the stilettos?
        
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        February 27, 2017 4:09pm
  - Paulus
    
    That is why Greenpeace are trying to prevent any hillside fill pushed into the sea to open the road and rail corridor northwards.
    It would have flowed naturally into the sea had the hillsides been higher, as it has done for millions of years.
    Poor Kaikoura flatworm – Greenpeace will save you.
    
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    February 27, 2017 2:47pm
flipper

Mmnnnn…

I wonder how long an ex-All Black must be an “ex AB” before he or she (fern) does something that does NOT damage the AB brand.

Ali Williams was always 75 % BS. He hs lifted his games to 90% BS. But talk of him now damaging the AB brand is just ultra BS.

Next we will have media demand Tew et al have a Bazley rip off to enquire into the misdemeanors of all ex ABs.
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February 27, 2017 8:40am
adamsmith1922

See TV3 is going all in to promote Ardern for Labour Leader and PM. No bias then.
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February 27, 2017 8:43am
- redqueen
  
  Neutrality is an delusion we have lived under for far too long. Actually being ‘neutral’ is not natural and it takes years of training to even moderate bias.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:46am
- VicParking
  
  “No vacancy here”. Andy’s skin is so thick he cant feel Arden’s sweat dripping from her hands onto his back from the Knife shes holding
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:54am
  - Lance
    
    But she said on the radio she didn’t want Andrews job… honest
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:56am
- Rich Prick
  
  I really don’t understand the media’s obsession with Adern. She’s pretty average. I accept she may be the best Labour has, but having worked in a chippy and having once featured in a women’s magazine are hardly grand achievements.
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:15am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The best reason I’ve heard for Jacindar to become leader of Liabore is she would be NZ’s equivalent of Justin Trudeau! ?
    
    Gag.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:38am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Rich Prick , ar least she has not sullied herself like Trump’s latest missus.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:46am
    - Rich Prick
      
      You appear to be deeply affected by the President and leader of the free world (and his wife). It’s a wonder you function at all.
      
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      February 27, 2017 9:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        Rich Prick , how can one be affected by a clown and pathological liar !
        
        But you obsession with Jacinda seems rather over the top .
        
        Get a life !
        
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        February 27, 2017 10:05am
      - Rich Prick
        
        My life is absolutely fantastic thank you very much. So forgive me if I give your advice a miss. Not that I’d take any from someone who hasn’t yet mastered punctuation.
        
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        February 27, 2017 10:15am
    - Jack5
      
      Stephie X, your remark about Mrs Trump is rather remarkable, coming from you, the only poster on Kiwiblog that I know of who was suspended for linking to porn.
      
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      February 27, 2017 10:30am
      - Manolo
        
        Was the pious Muslim caught? I knew there were rumours about his proclivities, but what did I miss?
        
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        February 27, 2017 10:53am
      - RalphT
        
        Manolo,
        
        It happened here:
        
        stephieboy
        
        V2 , have a good perv,
        
        https://www.celebjihad.com/ivanka-trump/ivanka-trump-nude-photos-scandal
        
        [DPF: That is Strike 3]
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        February 27, 2017 2:09pm
  - adamsmith1922
    
    But compared to her colleagues that makes her an above average performer!
    
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    February 27, 2017 10:38am
  - Flash
    
    The woman I saw on TV last night bore little resemblance to the cover girl I seem to remember. I thought she looked somewhat jaded, like the chap who was standing behind her.
    
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    February 27, 2017 10:49am
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV7eVvph69Y

A fairly lightweight short interview with Sam Harris on the regressive left and Islamic apologetics. He exposes Linda Sarsour for the political shill that she is.

If you can survive the initial opening mini Trump rant, there are some interesting parts.

Have a read of Sam and Maajid’s book:
Islam and the Future of Tolerance: A Dialogue.
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February 27, 2017 8:47am
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randall,
  
  A review of Sam Harris ‘s tome ,
  
  “Maajid Nawaz, despite his numerous flaws, still manages at times to be a smart and interesting thinker. Harris on the other hand truly appears to be the “lucky undergraduate” that David Bentley Hart said he was. There does not appear to be any intellectual content to anything he says then some pearl-clutching middle aged white conservative whining. His repeated expressions of emboldened stupidity, alternatively contradicting himself or being baldly heinous (he laments at one point the alleged overfocus on the Chapel Hill murders of three Muslim students), is his most notable contribution to this ridiculous pamphlet.
  
  This “book” is literally two people chit chatting for 100 pages, without any real structure or definition. How self-absorbed or arrogant one would have to be to publish such a thing escapes me. The “read more” list was also a laugh, judging from that and the sourcing Harris doesn’t seem to grasp the fact his entire worldview was shaped by neoconservative fringe writers. In one unintentionally comic moment he even starts expounding (incorrectly, unsurprisingly) about “Taqiyya” …..”
  
  http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/25151238-islam-and-the-future-of-tolerance
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:54am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    ” This “book” is literally two people chit chatting for 100 pages”
    
    I imagine that is why it has: “A Dialogue” in the title.
    
    I can see you now Steph scrambling towards the Amazon 1 star rating review:)
    
    The majority of reviewers on Amazon gave it 5 stars!
    
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    February 27, 2017 10:31am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Steph: in the interests of balance and fairness here are the Good Reads review ratings:
      
      Very selective aren’t we:)
      
      5 stars 40% (1377)
      4 stars 37% (1269)
      3 stars 15% (526)
      2 stars 3% (119)
      1 stars 2% (86)
      
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      February 27, 2017 10:40am
      - stephieboy
        
        That is true but the points the reviewer raises require answers.
        
        Please oblige .
        
        I think this link helps us understand where Sam Harris is coming from with his obvious bias and prejudices ,
        
        “In his anti-Muslim jihad, “New Atheist” prophet Sam Harris openly aligns with far-right politicians like Ben Carson.”
        
        http://www.alternet.org/noam-chomsky-versus-islamophobe-sam-harris-has-new-atheist-movement-been-hijacked-bigots
        
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        February 27, 2017 10:49am
      - Rodney Randall
        
        Steph.
        
        Thanks for the link.
        
        I have a question for you:
        
        Do you support the establishment of a Caliphate in the West and the implementation of Sharia Law throughout the West?
        
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        February 27, 2017 12:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Rodney Randall,
        
        No !
        
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        February 27, 2017 12:28pm
Inandout

How much weeping and wailing over Trump will this year’s Oscars bring? Or maybe it should it be renamed the PolitOscars. I remember when politics was first blatantly brought into the Oscar ceremony, I think some American Sioux woman associated with Marlon Brando. There were groans from the audience that the ceremony was hijacked in this manner, but of course now the luvvies in the assembled would have applauded her.
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February 27, 2017 8:55am
- Ashley Schaeffer
  
  If I can make it through “Oscar’s Season” without hearing or seeing anything about the Oscar’s, my blood pressure will thank me for it. I set myself the same challenge at Christmas time and that infernal Snoopy’s Christmas song.
  
  The pretentiousness and sanctimony on display from these vacuous entertainers who pretend for a living is breath-taking.
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:10am
Tarquin North

Just had a quick look at W.O. Does he play any other records apart from Murray McCully’s greatest hits with the Israeli orchestra as back up? Even The Standard has a bigger collection.
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February 27, 2017 9:03am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Isuzu get good exposure every time he drives it off road
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:25am
- Paulus
  
  Sad, but WO has a McCully/Israel obsession.
  Remember WO visited Israel ??recently so is entitled to his opinion on “his” blogsite.
  As McCully will be retiring this year WO will have to find another – Hagar perhaps.
  
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  February 27, 2017 11:02am
oldpark

Now the Oscars have become political,and the Whitehouse daily news have become entertainment,maybe the Oscars should be in the Whitehouse,and given to real people,not to people who get Hollywood Oscars,who have multiple personalities.
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February 27, 2017 9:19am
- Kimbo
  
  The Oscars have always been political.
  
  Indeed, so has Hollywood ever since D W Griffith revived the almost-extinct Ku Klux Klan when he released Birth of a Nation back in 1915.
  
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  February 27, 2017 12:50pm
Manolo

Even devout and pious stephieboy would be horrified:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/video-isis-fits-puppy-bomber-suicide-bomb-belt/

The Al-Hashd Al-Sha’abi militia group in Syria released horrifying video of ISIS fighters fitting a little puppy with a suicide bomb belt.

The authenticity of the video is unclear but appears to be Islamic State fighters fitting the furry puppy with a bomb belt for a ‘martyrdom’ attack.
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February 27, 2017 9:24am
- Ashley Schaeffer
  
  I assume that means the vile scum have run out of children to strap bomb vests to?
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:27am
  - Manolo
    
    Even the most pro-feminine of religions have some limitations, after all.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, you got it right it is horrifying of ISIS who happen to be extremists and Muslim. Very unlike the US led Iraqi , Kurd armies and Shia militias ( Muslim ) fighting them now at Mosul.
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:59am
  - rangitoto
    
    The Kurdish forces have not gone closer to Mosul than they agreed with the Baghdad government.
    
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    February 27, 2017 10:27am
    - stephieboy
      
      rangitoto, which shows us what ?
      
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      February 27, 2017 12:29pm
  - Longknives
    
    I thought most of the young male Muslims of fighting age had fled like the pathetic cowards they are and paddled across the Mediterranean? then knocked ten years off their age and claimed ‘child refugee’ status??
    
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    February 27, 2017 4:39pm
- kowtow
  
  Hahahahaa
  
  This could be the point that the Syrian civil war was lost by the rebels.
  
  6 years of genocide ,rape , torture, people chucked off buildings, chemical weapons attacks ,ethnic cleansing , all backed by the royal houses of the Gulf, the Turks, the Obama White House and many European gummints, hasn’t been enough to excite the chattering classes and activists of the west , but now the ultimate act of despicability ,
  
  a puppy bomb ! Enough , this must stop!
  
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  February 27, 2017 10:53am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow ,the Syria Free Amy and Syrian Kurd Rebels etc chucked Gays off buildings , ethnic cleansing , genocide etc ??????
    
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    February 27, 2017 11:49am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Soviets used dogs as anti-tank weapons from ’30’s to 90’s.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-tank_dog
  
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  February 27, 2017 11:18am
Manolo

It is all on in France:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/yes-le-pen-could-win-france-025411227.html

With the polls narrowing and one of her main rivals embroiled in an expenses scandal, far-right leader Marine Le Pen could feasibly become French president in May, senior politicians and commentators say.

At the headquarters of her National Front party in Nanterre outside Paris, officials believe the same forces that led to the Brexit vote in Britain and Donald Trump’s victory in the United States could carry Le Pen to power.
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February 27, 2017 9:35am
Komata

Manolo

Notice the use of the word ‘Could’! The ‘fat lady’ analogy still applies…
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February 27, 2017 10:17am
Kiwi Dave

Near the beginning of Auckland city council’s consultation document (shapeauckland.co.nz) for those who want a say on the next budget is this proclamation:

Different types of consultations …
Specifically, we will aim to;
conduct business in an open, transparent, and democratically accountable manner …
be aware of, and have regard to, the views of all communities.
take account of the diversity of the community when making a decision …
provide opportunities for Māori to contribute to decision-making processes.

Does the last point mean that Maoris are either not part of Auckland’s communities, or incapable of taking part in normal democratic processes, or a group whose (homogeneous?) opinion is more important than other groups’ opinions?

My submission will be as an individual. If the majority agree with me, then great. If the majority disagree, oh well, that’s democracy. But how can I trust a decision to be democratic when the deciders single out one ethnic group for special attention?
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February 27, 2017 10:27am
Michael

Re that Binnie interview.
I felt that Janet McIntyre asked some pertinent questions, so full credit to her for doing that.
Biniie wanted to know why David Bain wouldn’t have gone out to the caravan and shot his father, rather than take the chance of Robin coming into the house and finding his family dead.
If David had shot his father in the caravan he may have had some difficulty in doing it in such a way as to make it look like suicide. Also the chances of Robin Bain coming across any dead bodies was pretty slim , given that he wouldn’t have been in the habit of going past any of the bedrooms.
Binnie said the reason why he felt David Bain didn’t make those bloody sockprints was because there was no blood found in his shoes. The problem with that assumption is that no-one can be sure what shoes David Bain was wearing that morning. There was a second pair of shoes in his room that did have blood around the laces and inside of one shoe but Michael Guest wouldn’t allow those shoes to be used as evidence because they were not part of the deposition hearings. Also, it is quite possible that David Bain may have made those sockprints after he came home from his paper round. I personally believe that is when he made them, as he definitely changed his socks after he came home and the socks he was wearing when the police arrived had blood on the soles, one sock with more blood than the other, and that sock is the sock I believe made those sockprints.
Binnie said he accepts that David Bain had been wearing the glasses that were found in his room. That means he accepts that Bain lied to him on oath about those glasses. Surely that in itself should have been enough to have given Binnie cause to not find that David Bain was innocent. I mean if Bain lied about those glasses what else did he lie about is the question Binnie should have been asking himself.
I thought Binnie made a good point when he said that if Cabinet thought that David Bain was a serial killer [ actually a multiple murderer, not a serial killer] why would they pay him $925000?
Amy Adams said it was basically to reimburse Bain for his legal fees [since the retrial] but Bain wouldn’t have paid any fees since the retrial as he had no money to speak of.
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February 27, 2017 10:29am
- Kimbo
  
  Amy Adams said it was basically to reimburse Bain for his legal fees [since the retrial] but Bain wouldn’t have paid any fees since the retrial as he had no money to speak of.
  
  I was dead opposed to any compo for Bain, but, on balance, the payment was fair. It was to reimburse Joe Karam for his legal expenses challenging Collins’ decision to reject Binnie’s report and get another opinion. Not Karam’s fault Simon Power did such a bad job in appointing Binnie in the first place, so the Crown should stump up for its fault in the matter. No more.
  
  What Karam does with the money, including giving it to Bain, is his business. And as I’ve said before, as much as I think Karam is mistaken about his friend, I think he deserves an honour for his services to Kiwi mateship. If I was ever in a jam, I’d want him in my corner.
  
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  February 27, 2017 12:34pm
burt

Have I understood this correctly….

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/89826313/ali-williams-french-rugby-club-racing-92-says-cocaine-arrest-has-tarnished-its-image

Being an All Black he is going to get a discharge without conviction – surely ?
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February 27, 2017 10:44am
- fernglas
  
  So much joy from that article, Burt.
  
  1) “AFP reported Williams was facing a charge of allegedly buying cocaine and O’Connor had been charged with alleged drug possession.”
  I have never heard of a criminal charge, here or elsewhere that included the words “alleged” or “allegedly”. The reporter is too piss weak even to report the charges properly without trying to cover their arse.
  
  2) “A police sauce reportedly told AFP that plain-clothes officers saw Williams in a car with two suspected drug dealers.”
  A police “sauce”? In France, probably a Hollandaise, at least until the next election.
  
  I doubt that being an ex-All Black cuts that much ice in France, to be honest, any more than finishing halfway down the peloton in the Tour De France would sway the judiciary here.
  
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  February 27, 2017 11:23am
- Garbageman
  
  Some French journalist was yapping on the radio this morning saying he would probably only get a small fine its not like he was selling the stuff, apparently cocaine has made a big comeback worldwide due to the negative effects drugs like P can have on your body & mind
  
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  February 27, 2017 11:49am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    I often wonder if we would be better off with more cheaply available heroin in NZ – it seems less damaging than P. Doing some quick research; in UK both are available and heroin has about 1.5-2x as many users as P. Both kill their users, but at least heroin users seem to have more chance of coming out the other side without wrecking their bodies, becoming unemployable, or becoming psychotic and dangerous. Cocaine is about $60/gram, Heroin is about $200/gram and Amphetamine about $400/gram in UK.
    
    In NZ we have about 35000 (1%) of adults using amphetamines! Far more people using P than Heroin. Cocaine is up to $500/gram, heroin about $800/gram, P about $1000/gram.
    
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    February 27, 2017 12:51pm
  - RF
    
    It would be a great Pity if chemical Ali got off.
    
    I still remember the stupid prick and SBW playing silly buggers on TV during an interview. It was about them having the same surname and both answered each other’s questions and thinking this was a huge joke
    
    I look forward to the French judge uttering the words… 12 months.. take him down.
    
    Somehow I cannot see the self opinionated comedian laughing now.
    
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    February 27, 2017 1:50pm
Jack5

The Bainiacs are baying again. There’s no cure for this disorder.

But I wish TVNZ wouldn’t keep winding them up.
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February 27, 2017 11:38am
Manolo

Where is the leak?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/26/spicer-checks-wh-staffers-phones-for-leaks-vows-more-searches-coming.html
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February 27, 2017 12:36pm
Southern Raider

Just read in the middle of “Our Auckland” update that Auckland Council is considering, which means it will happen, introducing a living wage that will increase council costs by $7M per annum.

Isn’t it great that “centre right” Goff is in charge?
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February 27, 2017 12:40pm
- MCos
  
  You have a problem with people getting paid a ‘living wage’?
  Considering the size of the city the increased expenditure is hardly a huge burden.
  
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  February 27, 2017 1:05pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    “Living wage”, what a nonsense.
    Is anyone dying because of their current one?.
    
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    February 27, 2017 1:16pm
- rangitoto
  
  Yeah right. Do they count the across the board pay rises for all other staff.
  
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  February 27, 2017 1:43pm
  - sam green
    
    No.
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:20pm
- waikatogirl
  
  How nice the ratepayers will be coughing up the living wage on behalf of Goff’s Auckland City Council workers. Hang onto your rates, here come the higher paid council employees demanding rises across the pay scales in turn.
  
  It’s easy to spend ratepayers money!
  
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  February 27, 2017 1:48pm
- Paulus
  
  So what, it is not their money, only the Ratepayers – those who are Ratepayers of course, which is not actually very many.
  
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  February 27, 2017 2:52pm
  - MCos
    
    For a start off about half the council income is not from rates.
    Furthermore everyone who occupies a building pays the rates one way or another.
    
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    February 27, 2017 11:00pm
Kimbo

Academy Awards today. As the sure-fire way to win an Oscar is either by doing an

“Auschwitz” (i.e., an actual Holocaust movie, e.g. Sophie’s Choice, Schindlers List, or losing lots of weight and going concentration-camp ugly when you are know as beautiful, e.g., Charlize Theron in Monster, Leonardo DiCaprio in The Revenant)

or a “Helen Keller” (i.e., playing a disabled person like Dustin Hoffman in Rainman, or Daniel Day Lewis in My left Foot)

…can anyone advise the likely winners today?
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February 27, 2017 12:59pm
- fernglas
  
  After the fuss over the last Oscars having no black nominees, my money is on Denzel Washington as best actor, Ruth Negga as best actress, Dev Patel or Mahershala Ali as best supporting actor, Viola Davis as best supporting actress, and La La Land as the best film (to keep the honkies happy). BTW, each of the performers I have named would be worth of an Oscar regardless of the colour of their skin.
  
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  February 27, 2017 1:18pm
- kowtow
  
  There’ll be a couple of negroes getting a statue.
  
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  February 27, 2017 1:20pm
  - dime
    
    yeah, in this climate, hidden figures should do well.
    
    not a bad flick.
    
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    February 27, 2017 1:25pm
  - Manolo
    
    Easy on the epithets against us, dark-skinned people, dear stephieboy. 🙂
    
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    February 27, 2017 1:37pm
  - starboard
    
    Stiffybot said the N word…stiffybots gunna get reported..bawhahaha!
    
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    February 27, 2017 1:37pm
  - dime
    
    “kowtow , shouldn’t that be ” niggers ” ?”
    
    sums up our resident wacist
    
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    February 27, 2017 1:39pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, stephieboy
    
    It shouldn’t be niggers. That is an abusive term.
    Perhaps you don’t know the history of the word.
    http://www.aaregistry.org/historic_events/view/nigger-word-brief-history
    
    You really need to stop trying to smear folks with your own filthy expressions.
    Disguising your comments with a question mark fools no-one.
    
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    February 27, 2017 2:17pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy W , “Negroes’ is also an abusive term used also to denigrate.
      
      The appropriate term should be African-Americans.
      
      Agreed ?
      
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      February 27, 2017 2:22pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Quite right, Maggy. Unless stephieboy can produce the papers, he ain’t allowed to say it 😉
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v56A46P93eg
      
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      February 27, 2017 2:34pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      
      I am unfamiliar with stormfront materials…. that looks like a nasty website I won’t bother visiting.
      
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      February 27, 2017 3:40pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @ stephieboy
    Negro may now be considered offensive in some quarters, but it has a respectable origin. It is considered “old-fashioned” by some modern dictionaries.
    
    Negro was never first used to denigrate a group of people as” niggers” was.
    
    Nigger has always been an abusive term.
    
    Kowtow may have used an “old-fashioned” adjective.
    He did not use an offensive one, as you did.
    
    “African-American” does not cover the groups of people native to Africa and who reside there.
    
    But my point concerns your constant smearing of fellow KB posters by trying to put words into their comments that they have not ever used.
    
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    February 27, 2017 3:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggt W , we do not use the term Caucasoid to describe Euopeans so why not use Africans to describe Negroids ?
      
      It is my belief that the term ” Negro’ has crept back in especially amongst white surpremicst sites in a way that belittles Africans
      
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      February 27, 2017 3:29pm
    - stephieboy
      
      For example here ,
      
      https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1199413/
      
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      February 27, 2017 3:31pm
    - Griff
      
      Oh look stephieboy you got a lecture about language.
      Pity teach is wrong .
      
      In the English language, the word “nigger” is an ethnic slur, usually directed at black people. The word originated as a neutral term referring to people with black skin,[1] as a variation of the Spanish and Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective niger (“black”).
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger
      
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      February 27, 2017 3:32pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @Griff
      
      comprehension not your strong point….
      read what you copied….
      nigger – ethnic slur
      derived from noun negro – a neutral term.
      
      Exactly what I wrote above….
      negro has a respectable origin
      
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      February 27, 2017 3:38pm
    - kowtow
      
      When kowtow was a boy , “Negro” was perfectly acceptable and inoffensive. I see from my OED , and I quote,
      “Since the 1960’s when the term black was favoured as the term to express racial pride, Negro (together with related words such as Negress) has dropped out of favour. It is now regarded as old fashioned or even offensive in both British and US English.”
      
      It’s not regarded by me as offensive , nor was it intended to be.
      
      BTW I see ‘black’ seems to be falling out of fashion these days, one would wish the social engineers , activists, language police and social justice warriors would make their minds up , or is it just more games to keep “honkey” feeling guilty and on his toes?
      
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      February 27, 2017 3:51pm
    - Griff
      
      Nothing wrong with my compression maggy lovey .
      You on the other hand ….
      To quote you .
      
      Nigger has always been an abusive term.
      
      Did you get that from wwwfactspulledfrommyarse .com ?
      Not according to wiki and history.
      Nigger means black ..
      It was a common name for a black dog .
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigger_(dog)
      Nigger was a famous dog from the 2nd world war. There was also a nigger lead sled dog on the Terra Nova Expedition to the Antarctic (1910-1912).
      Could you imagine calling out “Here Nigger” today .
      
      A little like the term Hori in NZ .
      In my youth we used to say a Hori meaning crap .
      It is verbotum now. It is even a strike offense to use it on here .
      
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      February 27, 2017 4:15pm
    - kowtow
      
      stephie says”
      
      Maggy W , “Negroes’ is also an abusive term used also to denigrate.”
      
      “Denigrate” is an abusive term using the colour black to infer a negative . Tsk tsk.
      
      BTW
      
      Talking of the ridiculousness of PC language policing I see the Oscars have a category for Best Actress. But these days the left wing or so called progressive media , thespians themselves and other pushers of the egalitarian cause insist on calling female actresses (can there be any other kind) “actors”. So to be consistent ,unless there will be only one award for both sexes ,the awards must be for Best Actor in the balls department and Best Actor in the vagina department.
      
      No ?
      
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      February 27, 2017 4:19pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy
      
      This posting got placed above.
      
      I am unfamiliar with stormfront materials…. that looks like a nasty website I won’t bother visiting.
      
      Postscript:.. I’ve just gone to the Wikipedia to see what stormfront.org is:
      Look what I discover
      Stormfront is a white nationalist,[3] white supremacist[4] and neo-Nazi[5] Internet forum that was the Web’s first major racial hate site.[6]
      
      Yuk!!!!!!
      Why do you go on to such sites, stephieboy?
      
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      February 27, 2017 4:40pm
  - dime
    
    def shaping up to be the Black Lives Matter Oscars.
    
    and that bitch streep will get one probably.
    
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    February 27, 2017 3:59pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Again?!
      
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      February 27, 2017 4:08pm
    - Longknives
      
      Yep- And Streep will probably do an ‘Adele’ and start bawling with ‘White Guilt’ before trying to give her Oscar to a Black person…
      
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      February 27, 2017 4:21pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Or a “Marlon Brando” like when he won the Oscar for The Godfather. And they talk as if “virtue signalling” is new! 😉 :
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QUacU0I4yU
        
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        February 27, 2017 4:29pm
    - Fletch
      
      I don’t think I can bring myself to ever watch another Oscars. Progressives patting each other on the back.
      
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      February 27, 2017 4:58pm
Manolo

“Lawrence of Arabia” or “Fitzcarraldo” (i.e., taming the natives with lead)?
“The Peaceful Prophet” (i.e., a paean to Mohammad and the virtue of having young wives.)
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February 27, 2017 1:08pm
Michael

Kimbo,
Re that ex gratia payment of $925000. Yes, I believe some of that payout would be to reimburse Karam and Reed for costs incurred since the retrial. But Adams is not prepared to say just how that amount was arrived at. I have requested that info via the Official Information Act, but she has turned down my request. I have now laid a complaint with the Ombudsman , hoping for an over-ride. $925000 seems an excessive amount to me. I believe the public are entitled to know just how that figure was arrived at. After all , we have been told exactly how much Bain’ s legal aid came to up to the end of the retrial [$3,333,495] and how much of that Karam received [$424800], so why are we not allowed to know how that payment of $925000 was made up?
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February 27, 2017 1:24pm
- Kimbo
  
  At a guess, because it was ex gratia, and to divulge the details would compromise the privacy of Joe Karam, who likely submitted his financial expenses to Adams in a negotiation-process on the basis they would not be splashed all over the media?
  
  But good to see you wasted more of my tax-payer dollars on a (IMHO) pointless OIA query and now a complaint to the Ombudsman concerning a cost that the Crown had the prerogative to grant. 😉
  
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  February 27, 2017 1:30pm
starboard

Another special done for murder. Filth.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/89844346/lionel-patea-pleads-guilty-to-kiwi-mother-tara-browns-murder
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February 27, 2017 1:35pm
- Garbageman
  
  yep another douchebag with permanent scribbles over his face and neck you would think that would be an early warning sign for any rational girl to stay the hell away from him
  
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  February 27, 2017 2:21pm
Michael

Kimbo
As I have already pointed out the details of the payments made to Karam up until the end of the retrial are already public knowledge. Why are we not being allowed to know how that $925000 figure was arrived at? And why would Karam submit his expenses? In the past his expenses have always been submitted by Michael Reed. I do not believe legal expenses incurred by the Bain team since the retrial would have come to anything like $925000. Of course if you don’t care how you taxpayer dollars are spent that is your prerogative .
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February 27, 2017 2:03pm
- Kimbo
  
  As I have already pointed out the details of the payments made to Karam up until the end of the retrial are already public knowledge.
  
  Because, as you said, they were funded by legal aid, so it is automatically (I believe) a matter of public record, or can be automatically obtained under the OIA.
  
  Why are we not being allowed to know how that $925000 figure was arrived at?
  
  Because, and I’ll repeat myself, as implied by the term ex gratia, there were likely some negotiations to reach a “meeting of the minds” so that the payment made was acceptable to Team Karam. To help ensure they were conducted by both parties in good faith an agreement was made that all details, including legal costs, were private. And must remain so. Different process so different disclosure and/or privacy requirements.
  
  And why would Karam submit his expenses? In the past his expenses have always been submitted by Michael Reed.
  
  Because they were funded by Karam, and (I’ll repeat myself again) it was not a legal aid expense?
  
  I do not believe legal expenses incurred by the Bain team since the retrial would have come to anything like $925000.
  
  Oh, well, opinions are like arseholes – everyone has one. I think it was likely more, much more. I also think over the course of 20 years, even with legal aid assistance and books (that don’t make anyone rich in the NZ market, even with a bestseller) Karam is still well out of pocket. Insinuations and statements that Karam took on the Bain Crusade for money are, IMHO, way off the mark. As I said, Karam may be mistaken, but his motives were not.
  
  Of course if you don’t care how you taxpayer dollars are spent that is your prerogative .
  
  Pfft. “Of course” is an adverbial phrase, and you’ve just transgressed Kimbo’s law: “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs”.
  
  Now, unless you can make the effort to read what someone who responds to you writes, and then interact with it accordingly, instead of conducting a conversation with the auto-loop voice in your head, please don’t waste my time with further conversation. There are already too many obsessed Bainiacs around with their plot theories without me indulging your substandard reading comprehension.
  
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  February 27, 2017 2:27pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

For the ‘there is no such thing as race’ true believers: Apparently Europeans average about 2% Neanderthal, many asians/melanesians are up to 5% Denisovan, and Africans are most ‘pure’ having not cross-bred with these other major pre Homo sapiens sub-species.

http://www.techtimes.com/articles/185632/20161112/mating-with-neanderthals-and-denisovans-helped-ancient-humans-survive-outside-africa.htm
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February 27, 2017 2:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  UN, I don’t think people and scientists are saying there is no such thing as race but they do say there is a great deal of inter breeding among Africans , Eurasians including Neanderthals, ,
  
  “Ancient DNA reveals ‘into Africa’ migration”
  
  An ancient African genome has been sequenced for the first time.
  
  ” Researchers extracted DNA from a 4,500-year-old skull that was discovered in the highlands of Ethiopia.
  
  A comparison with genetic material from today’s Africans reveals how our ancient ancestors mixed and moved around the continents.
  
  The findings, published in the journal Science, suggests that about 3,000 years ago there was a huge wave of migration from Eurasia into Africa.
  
  This has left a genetic legacy, and the scientists believe up to 25% of the DNA of modern Africans can be traced back to this event.
  
  “Every single population for which we have data in Africa has a sizeable component of Eurasian ancestry,” said Dr Andrea Manica, from the University of Cambridge, who carried out the research … ”
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-34479905
  
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  February 27, 2017 3:03pm
  - Jack5
    
    Squirming Stephie X tries to deflect criticism of his using a derogatory word into a debate on ancient human migrations.
    
    You used the N word Stephie. Just apologise, then STFU.
    
    Al-Taqiyya, Muslims’ permission to dissimulate, to dissemble to non-Muslims, isn’t included in DPF’s comment policy for Kiwiblog.
    
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    February 27, 2017 3:42pm
    - Gabby
      
      Pretty clear what was going on there with the ‘negro’ shitweasel. You get all disingenuous arsehole about it though jacksie.
      
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      February 27, 2017 7:51pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think people and scientists are saying there is no such thing as race
    
    What do you think , stephieboy?
    
    How many human races do you think there are?
    
    What race do you belong to?
    
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    February 27, 2017 4:24pm
    - holysheet
      
      The stupidboy race. What else is there for them?
      
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      February 27, 2017 5:19pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/25/rachel-dolezal-is-nearly-homeless-on-food-stamps/
    
    “Dolezal had acquired the idea that racial identity was “an invention of human beings” from Howard University. But according to her brother, “when she came [to Howard], they saw she was white and she wasn’t treated that well, especially by people that worked there. She probably started developing this kind of dislike for being white and dislike for white people. She used to tell [her adopted brother] … that all white people are racists. She might have developed some self-hatred,”
    
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    February 27, 2017 6:11pm
Manolo

The WaPo soldiers on:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/these-iowans-voted-for-trump-many-of-them-are-already-disappointed/2017/02/26/18f86b86-fa8d-11e6-be05-1a3817ac21a5_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpiowa-719pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.09195f4de2b9
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February 27, 2017 2:34pm
Michael

Because they were funded by Karam.
And how do you know that? Are you saying Karam paid Reed ? How do you know that Reed did not offer his services pro bono?
Opinions are like arseholes.
Sure they are. But why are you going back in time?
You seem to be suggesting that Adams was including any shortfall in legal aid that may have occurred prior to the end of the retrial as part of that ex gratia payment. That is only your opinion.
But if that is the case then the public should be informed of that.
Insinuations that Karam took on the Bain campaign for money are well off the mark.
Don’t quite know why you brought that up, not something that I have ever insinuated. I believe Karam was well behind the eight ball up to the Privy Council appeal and the retrial, but the $308000 he received in fees relating to those events would have evened up the score somewhat, don’t you reckon?
Kimbo’s law.
Sorry, Kimbo, why would I take any notice of any law that an supreme egotist such as yourself has thought up?
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February 27, 2017 2:56pm
- Kimbo
  
  Blah, blah, blah. Still playing twenty questions like you have the suspects lined up in the drawing room. And you have the nerve to call others an egotist.
  
  You seem to be suggesting that Adams was including any shortfall in legal aid that may have occurred prior to the end of the retrial as part of that ex gratia payment.
  
  No I didn’t. Now, as your trolling has now extended to falsely misreporting what I said and meant, you can fuck off and find someone else to play with. Chuck Bird may be a good match for a hot date. You both have the same tedious methods.
  
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  February 27, 2017 3:03pm
Manolo

A fraudster is facing a hard life:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/25/rachel-dolezal-is-nearly-homeless-on-food-stamps/

Former NAACP branch president Rachel Dolezal, who lied about being black but still identifies as black, is now jobless, living on food stamps and expects to lose her home next month.
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February 27, 2017 3:49pm
- mandk
  
  Careful now, Manolo, she’s “trans-black”, so you’d better not go round being a trans-phobe.
  
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  February 27, 2017 6:11pm
Stars And Stripes

One for Starboard:
Three hurt in crash at Devil’s Staircase
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11808466.

Wonder if the driver was distracted by the sight of a couple of homo’s going at it in the rest area?.
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February 27, 2017 3:51pm
Inandout

Poor Kellogs, weep, weep. Just to regurgitate-

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/02/09/kelloggs-ceo-massive-layoffs-time-massive-boycott-coincidence/
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February 27, 2017 4:09pm
- Ross12
  
  Starbucks have a similar issue –massive downgrade of its perceived “brand value” when it said it would employ 10,000 refugees/immigrants.
  
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  February 27, 2017 5:05pm
  - mandk
    
    Starbucks are just virtue signalling because their sales are falling.
    
    Another good reason not to go there.
    
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    February 27, 2017 6:04pm
Jack5

Immigration inflow is soaring, and it’s not returning Kiwis. The main surge is from China.

Immigration Minister Woodhouse is useless, and he could cost National the election.

http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/population/Migration/IntTravelAndMigration_HOTPJan17.aspx

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11808359
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February 27, 2017 4:16pm
- mandk
  
  The Stats NZ press release you are referring to is extremely poorly worded, but the 13,200 increase from China is visitors (mainly holiday makers), not migrants.
  
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  February 27, 2017 6:01pm
Jack5

Who is calling for a second women’s march in America against President Trump?

One is a terrorist who spent 10 years in jail, another is a Stalinist and Black Panthers supporter who was charged with bringing guns used in a courtroom shooting, and a third praises Maoism.

http://nypost.com/2017/02/25/the-next-womens-march-is-co-organized-by-a-terrorist/?_ga=1.206500819.1594417554.1488163084
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February 27, 2017 4:27pm
Michael

Kimbo ,
Sorry if I have upset you, not. You just don’t like being taken down a peg or two. And telling me to fuck off, very juvenile. So that makes you a juvenile egotist
I made the comment that if that $925000 payout was to reimburse the Bain team it seemed excessive to me. To which you replied
Oh, well, opinions are like arseholes – everyone has one. I think it was likely more, much more. I also think over the course of 20 years, even with legal aid assistance and books (that don’t make anyone rich in the NZ market, even with a bestseller) Karam is still well out of pocket. Insinuations and statements that Karam took on the Bain Crusade for money are, IMHO, way off the mark. As I said, Karam may be mistaken, but his motives were not.
Now you are saying you were not implying that it was likely more. So what are you implying?
If we are only talking about legal fees since the retrial then I still say I find $925000 excessive.
Mind you, I reckoned the $30700 odd paid to Karam in fees relating to the Privy Council and retrial was excessive. I mean according to him the first PC appeal cost him around $12000. The second one cost the taxpayer over $455000.
In fact one could say Karam’s involvement in the Bain case cost the taxpayer $4,109,315, and for what? The first trial jury found that David Bain was guilty and Callinan found he was not innocent which is basically the same thing.
Going back to the reason why I would like Amy Adams how that ex gratia payment was made up.
Last night Binnie made the comment that Cabinet would not have paid David Bain $925000 if they believed he was a serial killer. The bloke who set up that Give a little page for David Bain said the reason why the response wasn’t as he expected was because Bain had already been paid $925000.
So there are people who believe that payment went to David Bain, despite Adams saying it was for legal fees. I reckon the matter needs to be cleared up. You, Kimbo, obviously don’t know for certain what that payment was for. You might not care but I certainly do.
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February 27, 2017 4:37pm
- Kimbo
  
  …If we are only talking about legal fees since the retrial…
  
  …and, as per the content and context of all my posts, I was.
  
  …then I still say I find $925000 excessive….So there are people who believe that payment went to David Bain, despite Adams saying it was for legal fees. I reckon the matter needs to be cleared up…
  
  So there are people who believe that payment went to David Bain, despite Adams saying it was for legal fees. I reckon the matter needs to be cleared up. You, Kimbo, obviously don’t know for certain what that payment was for. You might not care but I certainly do.
  
  Yes. You already said that Indeed, your repetitive style is looping around in the same post this time. And I disagreed. So yet another post by you, and still no advance at all in the conversation. Starting to understand why you were told to “fuck off”?
  
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  February 27, 2017 4:45pm
Michael

Binnie reckons Judith Collins would never pay compensation due to being influenced by the police.
What a load of rubbish.
Binnie just can’t accept he made a monumental cock-up when he concluded that David Bain was innocent.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/binnie-govt-would-never-pay-bain-compo/ar-AAnteRA?ocid=ob-fb-ennz-313
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February 27, 2017 4:48pm
Michael

As per the context of all my posts I was.
No you weren’t. Had you not brought up legal aid payments already made I would not be arguing the toss. All you needed to have said was that ,in your opinion , it has probably cost the Bain team more than $925000 in legal fees since the retrial.
So don’t blame me for having to repeat myself .
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February 27, 2017 4:56pm
- Kimbo
  
  Had you not brought up legal aid payments already made I would not be arguing the toss.
  
  Er, no, as by your own admission:
  
  As I have already pointed out the details of the payments made to Karam up until the end of the retrial are already public knowledge…
  
  at FEBRUARY 27, 2017 2:03PM,
  
  …you first injected that subject into the conversation. So yet more proof of why you deserve the royal “fuck off”.
  
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  February 27, 2017 5:07pm
  - Griff
    
    Cripple fight
    https://vimeo.com/112776990
    
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    February 27, 2017 5:14pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Bastard!!! That’s my line! Hoist by my own petard 😉
      
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      February 27, 2017 5:20pm
      - Griff
        
        Pay backs a bitch.
        Happy xmas Kimbo.
        
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        February 27, 2017 5:23pm
Captain Mainwaring

Yet another example of why Darwin award candidates are the perfect clientele for taxpayer-provided housing.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/89834713/house-burned-down-after-teens-burnout-went-horribly-wrong
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February 27, 2017 5:16pm
Michael

OK,
I accept I mentioned legal aid first and I accept you are saying that costs since the retrial could be, in your opinion , much more than $925000.
But the problem is that neither of us know how those costs were made up and I believe we [the public] are entitled to know that. How many hours were involved at least in so far as Karam is concerned and at what rate? Was there an additional amount added in for Bain?
As I have already pointed out some people believe Bain got the lot.
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February 27, 2017 5:44pm
- sam green
  
  FFS. Get a hobby. Take up knitting. David could use a new jumper.
  
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  February 27, 2017 7:15pm
  - sooty
    
    Or knit his baby something nice.
    
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    February 27, 2017 7:50pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Hey, where has all that discussion of the nasty word used by stephieboy gone?

Where is his link to that stormfront material, he posted here.

Who has taken his stuff offline?

Nobody told me that all my stuff (and other contributers) would disappear.
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February 27, 2017 5:53pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  It is with Aunty Devoy and will be reviewed in the morning for potential hate speech or bullying.?.
  
  Seriously obviously DPF removed it.
  
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  February 27, 2017 6:21pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It might pay to take screen shots of stephieboy’s postings.

He disappeared something last week, also.

Obviously doesn’t want to leave a trail of some of his postings.
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February 27, 2017 6:16pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Our good host sometimes deletes other comments in a thread for the sake of continuity if something nasty was said within that thread.
  Usually means a Ban has been awarded. Has Stephie been an idiot again?
  
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  February 27, 2017 6:22pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    can’t see that a ban has been given.
    
    Ah well, that’ll teach me for wasting my time on stephieboy’s comments
    
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    February 27, 2017 6:44pm
    - jonar
      
      It was pretty obvious he was making a point by using it in reference to “negro” in the previous comment. I can’t see why he’d be banned for that.
      
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      February 27, 2017 7:34pm
- nasska
  
  Anyone can delete their comment in the first five minutes Maggy but in this case I suspect that DPF has seen no redeeming features in the way the thread was progressing & has dumped the lot.
  
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  February 27, 2017 6:24pm
- sooty
  
  Yea. But which of the stephies?
  
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  February 27, 2017 7:47pm
fernglas

Is it just me, or do others also find Nigel Latta possibly the most irritating rod-walloper ever to grace our screens?
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February 27, 2017 6:29pm
- Gabby
  
  Is Horeskin off air?
  
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  February 27, 2017 7:15pm
Inandout

Warren Beatty’s cockup took the gloss off the gloss, and perhaps took the heat off Trump. Karma?
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February 27, 2017 7:18pm
- Biscuit
  
  Inandout, can you imagine DT when he hears about it?
  
  ‘The liberal, Hollywood elitists are STILL making ‘Fake News”
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:27pm
sooty

Well andy, what have achieved this last week? I think it was down hill all the way. Jacinda just out manovered you. She’s got what you have not and never will. Which puts you on thin ice! I like what some said last week, they were going to vote for comunist in the by election, cut out the middle man (labour/green)
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February 27, 2017 7:45pm
mandk

Apologies if anyone has already posted, but latest Roy Morgan Poll has National up 2% to 48%, Watermelons down 0.5% to 39%, and confidence in Govt unchanged at 140.

Blimey, yet another rogue poll! That’s the 52nd in a row.
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February 27, 2017 8:22pm
- Biscuit
  
  39% for the Metty and James mob?
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:28pm
  - mandk
    
    Watermelons = Green + Red
    
    But I think a better description is Green + Red = Brown, i.e. the colour of faeces.
    
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    February 27, 2017 8:39pm
    - Gabby
      
      That’s not watermelons you bin chowin down on, mandy.
      
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      February 27, 2017 10:17pm
      - mandk
        
        No, but I do know shit when I see it.
        
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        February 27, 2017 10:42pm
      - Gabby
        
        But you know shit when you eat it.
        
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        February 27, 2017 11:29pm
- fernglas
  
  Strange time to report; back in my day most people were watching the Black and White Minstrel Show about now, after watching half an hour of Edwards vs Muldoon.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:28pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Angry’s rabble is on 26%. Will the knives come out before the election or will they play the long game?
  As in put Jacinda in the chair and aim for 2029.
  
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  February 27, 2017 8:59pm
CharlieBrown

“One of the hurdles these days is just passing a drug test. Under workplace safety you can’t have people on your premises under the influence of drugs and a lot of our younger people can’t pass that test.”

Fuck national just keep on digging us further into a hole. Those workplace rules he talks about probably mean you can’t come to workplaces if you have been stoned in the last week. By increasing workplace immigration they are making building infrastructure harder and more costly.

So increase regulation, make employing kiwis harder. So increase immigration for the shortfall. Oh what do ya know, infrastructure crisis (in particular housing), import immigrants for the shortfall to build more infrastructure to feed the immigration national are fueling.

http://imgur.com/a/C8nFM
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February 27, 2017 8:57pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What’s the alternative Charlie? Have your house built by a bunch of stoners who might turn up every second day?
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:01pm
  - CharlieBrown
    
    But but but but – you national lovers keep going on about low unemployment, so kiwis are too stoned to work but aren’t unemployed?
    
    Its all excuses, national are screwing things up and are blaming everything else when it suits them. The reality of the matter is they are power hungry whores that only care about beating labour.
    
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    February 27, 2017 10:18pm
- Griff
  
  A blood test can pick up pot up to a month later .
  Any measurable intoxication effect has gone after three hours. English is saying health and safety says no drugs
  It does not. No impairment is the rule. Employers who test for pot should use saliva testing for recent use not what someone has done in their own time.
  With piss the blood shows clean after a few hours.
  But the impairment effect of a hangover can last days.
  
  I see the coppoers are complaining about blood testing for drugs after a firearm incident.
  The bastards have no problem random testing the public so suck it up coppers..
  
  We should have zero tolerance and random testing for mps.
  Pissed in charge of the country is not OK..
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:11pm
- reid3
  
  The part I like most Charlie is when you point out immigration using cheap Asian money is the root cause of the rising Akld house prices back in 2010 and everyone downticks you because they think the issue is supply, because that’s what National told them it was.
  
  True story.
  
  So don’t expect anyone here to come flocking to the party on recognising the clear and present palpable idiocy of the health and safety laws National have introduced, is the moral of the story.
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:14pm
  - CharlieBrown
    
    Well, to national party supporters Labour = left wing = bad. National = right wing = good. It wouldn’t matter if national made it compulsory to wear steel capped boots in the kitchen, it would still be “right wing” hence good.
    
    At least labour supporters stopped voting for them when they became right wing (which was awesome), national supporters are so thick they would vote for national if they nationalized their homes and rebranded themselves as the National Aotearoa Communist Party becuase “they’re still better than labour… durrrr”
    
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    February 27, 2017 10:27pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      It is Juvenile to pretend it is about labels. The failure and lambasting of the Labour and the left is entirely due to the abscence of comprehension they display of what it takes to run NZ for the benefit of the majority of NZers and their arrogant belief that pushing harder left with policies repugnant and counter to the preferences of most NZers is what NZ really needs.
      
      The left daily demonstrate how deluded and unready they are for the reins of power – they are simply not a viable opposition, and that scares the majority into voting for National out of fear, even as they continue to disappoint us in so many areas (excepting the economy). Labour used to be electable due to centrist pragmatism that is now gone.
      
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      February 27, 2017 11:02pm
      - CharlieBrown
        
        National are part of the left, you mean the extreme left.
        
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        February 27, 2017 11:21pm
- Gabby
  
  Bingles doesn’t quantify ‘a lot’ of course.
  
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  February 27, 2017 10:16pm
nasska

“ Nothing optional—from homosexuality to adultery—is ever made punishable unless those who do the prohibiting (and exact the fierce punishments) have a repressed desire to participate. As Shakespeare put it in King Lear, the policeman who lashes the whore has a hot need to use her for the very offence for which he plies the lash.”
―
Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything
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February 27, 2017 9:04pm
- reid3
  
  How Religion Poisons Everything
  
  Whereas mankind is completely and utterly innocent in the whole wretched affair we laughably call modern life, aren’t we.
  
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  February 27, 2017 9:16pm
  - nasska
    
    …..”Whereas mankind is completely and utterly innocent”….
    
    No way! Mankind is totally & absolutely responsible for the mess. Men & women, individually & collectively, the gullible & the atheist.
    
    Who isn’t responsible is a magic man in the sky because there isn’t one.
    
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    February 27, 2017 9:20pm
    - Griff
      
      But nasska if there is no magic sky pixie watching over our shoulders why have they been paying priest to pretend there is for generations?
      
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      February 27, 2017 9:28pm
  - Gabby
    
    The nutters know that You made them do it.
    
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    February 27, 2017 10:13pm
nasska

….”why have they been paying priest to pretend there is……..”….

Probably because their ancestors were gullible, ignorant & superstitious. That & the fact that the religious leaders realised that they were on to a good thing.

A bit of hocus pocus, a few legends & books loaded with crap attributed to characters long dead rounded out the picture.

That’s how a few groups of goatherders looking into a middle eastern sky & thinking WTF have brought down the curse of the Abrahamic religions.
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February 27, 2017 9:40pm
- realityczech
  
  https://archive.org/details/WestboroBaptistChurchPriestsRapeBoys
  
  Speaks for its self really 🙂
  
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  February 27, 2017 10:30pm
Griff

The profession of shaman has many advantages. It offers high status with a safe livelihood free of work in the dreary, sweaty sense. In most societies it offers legal privileges and immunities not granted to other men. But it is hard to see how a man who has been given a mandate from on High to spread tidings of joy to all mankind can be seriously interested in taking up a collection to pay his salary; it causes one to suspect that the shaman is on the moral level of any other con man. But it is a lovely work if you can stomach it.
Robert A Heinlein
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February 27, 2017 9:47pm
Manolo

Labour’s only hope would be to ditch the charmless Angry Andy and install vacuous Jacinda. But it is too late already.
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February 28, 2017 6:37am
Manolo

Few people care:
http://nypost.com/2017/02/27/well-that-was-the-best-oscars-ever/
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February 28, 2017 6:50am
Nookin

Another journalist who has difficulty hiding his political prejudices and believes that it is his job to sway the voter his way (putting aside whether you are a Dunne fan or not).
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11808431
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February 28, 2017 7:05am
Manolo

The impartiality of the MSM on display:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/comment-time-to-talk-trump-impeachment-jason-sattler/ar-AAnwbX2?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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February 28, 2017 8:53am
Manolo

Love according to the religion of peace:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/philippine-islamic-militants-kill-german-hostage-101749219.html

Islamic militants in the Philippines have beheaded a 70-year-old German hostage they were holding for ransom, Manila officials said Monday, as Berlin condemned the murder as “unscrupulous and inhumane”.
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