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Manolo

Bloomberg on Le Pen:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-22/le-pen-wins-over-the-women-voters-who-feel-left-behind-in-france

The anti-euro, anti-immigrant candidate Marine Le Pen has been playing up her gender as she seeks to convert a likely first-round victory into an overall majority in the run-off on May 7 — and it’s paying off.

The 48-year-old National Front leader has already rallied some 2 million additional female voters to her cause since her last run for president in 2012 and she’s betting more will follow.
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February 23, 2017 8:02am
- itstricky
  
  included a promise to be a shield against Islamic fundamentalists who, she said, want to stop women “wearing a skirt, going to work or to the bistro.”
  
  Sacré bleu!
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:11am
  - gump
    
    Oddly enough for somebody who claims to be a friend of freedom, she wants to take away the freedom that gay people have to marry in France.
    
    Which suggests she is philosophically comfortable with restricting freedom when it is politically expedient.
    
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    February 23, 2017 1:30pm
  - itstricky
    
    It’s just too weird having all these upticks. At this point I should reveal that the inflection of those words implied a satirical, wide eyed OH, REEEAAALLLY?
    
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    February 23, 2017 5:32pm
- EAD
  
  The anti-euro, anti-immigrant candidate Marine Le Pen has been playing up her gender
  
  I’m not sure that the additional 2m women who now do so is because she is “female”. Like the “Women who betrayed Hillary” and voted for Trump, they look at the state of France, wonder what the future will be like for their children and vote accordingly.
  
  It will come as a shock for those who blindly shout the 2nd hand opinions of the Corporate MSM, but the vast majority of women vote for what they perceive to be in their best interests rather than someone who shares the same sexual appendage(s).
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:30am
itstricky

Is one of the Trumpies here Tamaki?

Because this sounds like an average “inspired” GD comment these days:

http://i.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/89640845/brian-tamaki-sucked-in-by-fake-news-site

Tamaki shared the link to the story, and commented: “This is there true colors..left politics is an angry..nasty organization that will go to unbelievable lengths to sabotage anything thats not accepting of their beliefs nd politics..its a shame that the wider church has not bn more supportive nd unified toward any politics that is biblically aligned![sic]”
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February 23, 2017 8:07am
- AgentBallSack
  
  This is there true colors..left politics is an angry..nasty organization that will go to unbelievable lengths to sabotage anything thats not accepting of their beliefs and politics.
  
  Holy fuck. I actually agree with Bishop Brian on something.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:10am
B.L.Zeebub

No matter what we say,no matter what we do,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfrLkqsEuog
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February 23, 2017 8:11am
- Gabby
  
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  what we do,
  is spread fake quotes.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:27am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    Obviously there`s a lack of oxygen in that bubble of yours.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:30am
mister nui

Taika Waititi as NZer of the year…. WTF is up with that.

Show’s just how far the luvvies have their heads up their own asses.
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February 23, 2017 8:13am
- PhilBest
  
  Had to Google that name. Does that make me a typical ignorant insular honkie?
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:33am
  - Gabby
    
    Hell no, they’d know who he was.
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:40am
    - PhilBest
      
      I get it! You mean the PC, lefty, SJW’s are ignorant insular honkies?
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:03am
      - Gabby
        
        You don’t get it! Typical ignorant insular honkie looks smart next to you.
        
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        February 23, 2017 11:37am
  - Lance
    
    No
    Just a Philistine 🙂
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:04am
    - PhilBest
      
      Moi? I am a fan of Fat Freddy’s Drop, Katchafire, Trinity Roots, Recloose and a lot of local music. I guess I am just not so into painting, sculpture, art movies, etc.
      
      I would be OK with Warren Maxwell winning NZ-er of the year sometime, it would seem more relevant to me.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:07am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        You’re probably a wee bit insular – He did write and produce “What we do in the Shadows” with Jemaine Clement, then promptly moved to Auckland and on to Hollywood. But you can be forgiven as long as you remember Lee Tamihori.
        
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        February 23, 2017 9:12am
      - PhilBest
        
        Thanks, Ballsack, that helps me place the guy now! Clement is another national treasure.
        
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        February 23, 2017 2:20pm
- Gabby
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Ade Orr turned it down in favour of a teeny weeny pay rise.
  Ponyboy can only accept ISPS Handa Nizinner of the Year.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:39am
- Longknives
  
  Waititi last year called John Key a ‘dickhead’ and threatened to assault him.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87227717/John-Key-was-popular-with-Kiwis-but-not-with-all-prominent-people
  
  Now whatever your political affiliation- Does insulting elected leaders and threatening violence really make you ‘New Zealander of the Year’?
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:45am
  - Gabby
    
    Works for the Chump.
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:53am
    - Happychappy
      
      There is only one chump on here you fuckwit and that’s you.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:28am
      - Gabby
        
        There’s only one crappy chappy on here and he’s a miserable old fuckwit. Chumpette.
        
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        February 23, 2017 11:32am
  - Lance
    
    That was pretty stupid of him.
    I wonder what the burr up his ass was about? The article didn’t say
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:03am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      He’s good friends with Jemaine Clement, who stupidly came out against Trump recently. I would guess they’re a clique of celebrity lefties who love what capitalism and democracy provides them, but have a mental disconnect as to how they actually receive those rewards. Generally from the deplorables who pay money to watch Hollywood explosions.
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:09am
  - 3-coil
    
    Longknives – Taiko Waititi likes to have a crack at high-profile kiwis….but only as long as they’re honkies.
    
    He attacked Dame Trelise Cooper (calling her a culturally insensitive racist) over her use of native American headdress in a fashion parade a couple of years back. Yet days later he was fine with a big polynesian oaf (from the Warriors) prancing around in a native American headdress….selling hamburgers.
    
    Waititi is just another thin-skinned racist lefty: crying “racism” while selectively taking offence at honkies, but giving his own a free pass. NZer of the Year? – shows what a crock that award is.
    
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    February 23, 2017 10:22am
    - itstricky
      
      You lefties, always jealous of successful people.
      
      Green eyes ahoy!
      
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      February 23, 2017 6:22pm
- Lance
  
  Yea
  Because he only wrote and directed the most successful (totally) NZ movie of all time, the number 2 (and number 8) and is now directed a major movie international movie. Has acted in many roles in successful movies and TV.
  
  Done nothing really.
  Should have gone to a senile old judge or politician or TV sports reporter.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:49am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And no (Sir) Ron Avery either
    
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    February 23, 2017 10:17am
    - Gabby
      
      Ray.
      
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      February 23, 2017 11:30am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Rons brother
        
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        February 23, 2017 1:08pm
- Happychappy
  
  Well the left were dead set pissed off because Helen Kelly was deemed illegible so they promoted the next best thing and hater of John Key and the National Government. Just wait for Andrew Little to be promoted to God like status if he wins the next Election for Labour.
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:07am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Big ‘if’ Happy; not going to happen so the elevation to God will have to wait for the little one
    
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    February 23, 2017 10:18am
- Rodney Randall
  
  He’s anti Trump.
  
  Of course he is NZ’der of the year
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:14am
- Inandout
  
  Does this mean he will get a Maori of the Year award as well?
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:19am
  - stephen2d
    
    That will go to Andrew Little who knows what/who kaupapa Maori is.
    
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    February 23, 2017 1:00pm
- Paulus
  
  Seriously, I have never heard of Taika Waititi.
  Please enlighten me somebody.
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:57am
  - Lance
    
    As covered above.
    A movie director and actor
    He wrote and directed the most (fully) NZ successful movie, and second most and eighth most. Now directing a big budget hollywood movie
    No opinions there, just a fact about box office takings.
    
    Google it
    
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    February 23, 2017 1:16pm
    - Lance
      
      Down ticks for pure facts?
      There seems to be some people allergic to facts here
      
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      February 23, 2017 4:59pm
      - itstricky
        
        Trumpies. If it don’t say so on Breitbart, it simply ain’t true.
        
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        February 23, 2017 6:20pm
EAD

NZ MSM warning over a “famine crisis” in Sudan. Even as we see African states refusing to take action to restore something resembling civilization in Zimbabwe, the Begging Bowl for Sudan/Ethipoia, Somalia etc. is being passed around to us outside of Africa, yet again:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/africa/89664138/as-starvation-hits-south-sudan-mothers-tell-their-survival-stories

This is going to be controversial but I say “stuff em” – so many of today’s problems not just in Africa, but around the World have been caused by White do-gooders in trying to be helpful to the 3rd world, have instead caused countless unforseen problems further down the line.

Africa gives nothing to anyone outside Africa, apart from AIDS, new diseases, terrorism, unending refugees to name but a few gifts from that benighted continent.

It is just over 30 years ago since Feed The World campaign began in Ethiopia, and in that time Ethiopia’s population has grown from 33.5 million to 80M+ million today.

So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.

As Kevin Myers put it in a “controversial” 2008 article in the 2008 Irish Independent (where he also has a dig at Bill Gates and his Malaria campaign):

PS: sorry for the long copy/paste – reading and re-reading it, I think it worth reading in its entirety.

So, why on earth should I do anything to encourage further catastrophic demographic growth in that country? Where is the logic? There is none.

To be sure, there are two things saying that logic doesn’t count.

One is my conscience, and the other is the picture, yet again, of another wide-eyed child, yet again, gazing, yet again, at the camera, which, yet again, captures the tragedy of children starving.

Sorry. My conscience has toured this territory on foot and financially. Unlike most of you, I have been to Ethiopia; like most of you, I have stumped up the loot to charities to stop starvation there. The wide-eyed boy-child we saved, 20 years or so ago, is now a low IQ, AK 47-bearing moron, siring children whenever the whim takes him, and blaming the world because he is uneducated, poor and left behind.

There is no doubt a good argument why we should prolong this predatory and dysfunctional economic, social and sexual system, but I do not know what it is. There is, on the other hand, every reason not to write a column like this.

It will win no friends, and will provoke the self-righteous wrath of, well, the self-righteous, hand wringing, letter writing wrathful individuals, a species which never fails to contaminate almost every debate in Irish life with its sneers and its moral superiority. It will also probably enrage some of the finest men in Irish life, like John O’Shea, of Goal; and the Finucane brothers, men whom I admire enormously. So be it.

But, please, please, you self-righteously wrathful, spare me mention of our own Irish Famine, with this or that lazy analogy. There is no comparison. Within 20 years of the Famine, the Irish population was down by 30%. Over the equivalent period, thanks to western food, the Mercedes 10-wheel truck and the Lockheed Hercules planes, Ethiopia’s population has more than doubled

Alas, that wretched country is not alone in its madness. Somewhere, over the rainbow, lies Somalia, another fine land of violent, AK 47-toting, khat-chewing, girl-circumcising, permanently tumescent layabouts, housing pirates of the ocean.

Indeed, we now have almost an entire continent of sexually hyperactive, illiterate indigents, with tens of millions of people who only survive because of help from the outside world or allowances by the semi communist Governments they voted for, money supplied by borrowing it from the World Bank!!

This dependency has not stimulated political prudence or common sense.

Indeed, voodoo idiocy seems to be in the ascendant, with the president of South Africa being a firm believer in the efficacy of a little tap water on the post-coital penis as a sure preventative against AIDS infection.

Needless to say, poverty, hunger and societal meltdown have not prevented idiotic wars involving Tigre, Uganda, Congo, Sudan, Somalia, Eritrea etc, etc.

Broad brush-strokes, to be sure, but broad brush-strokes are often the way that history paints its gaudier, if more decisive, chapters. Japan, China, Russia, Korea, Poland, Germany, Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia in the 20th century have endured worse broad brush-strokes than almost any part of Africa.

They are now, one way or another, virtually all giving aid to or investing in Africa, whereas Africa, with its vast savannahs and its lush pastures, is giving almost nothing to anyone, apart from AIDS.

Meanwhile, Africa’s peoples are outstripping their resources, and causing catastrophic ecological degradation. By 2050, the population of Ethiopia will be 177 million, the equivalent of France, Germany and Benelux today, but located on the parched and increasingly Protein-free wastelands of the Great Rift Valley.

So, how much sense does it make for us actively to increase the adult population of what is already a vastly over-populated, environmentally devastated and economically dependent country?

How much morality is there in saving an Ethiopian child from starvation today, for it to survive to a life of brutal circumcision, poverty, hunger, violence and sexual abuse, resulting in another half-dozen such wide-eyed children, with comparably jolly little lives ahead of them?

Of course, it might make you feel better, which is a prime reason for so much charity, but that is not good enough.

Self-serving generosity has been one of the curses of Africa. It has sustained political systems which would otherwise have collapsed. It prolonged the Eritrean-Ethiopian war by nearly a decade.

It is inspiring Bill Gates’ program to rid the continent of malaria, when, in the almost complete absence of personal self-discipline, that disease is one of the most efficacious forms of population-control now operating.

If his program is successful, tens of millions of children who would otherwise have died in infancy will survive to adulthood, he boasts.

Oh good!! Then what? I know, let them all come here (to Ireland) or America, Or Australia. Yes, that’s an idea….

A fine and courageous man for writing that brutally honest piece.
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February 23, 2017 8:13am
- Longknives
  
  Christ we don’t want the Sudanese here!
  *You know it’s coming- ‘Waaah we need to Increase our Wefugee Quota..’
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:17am
  - PhilBest
    
    I believe the Sudanese Christians who are refugees from persecution by the Islamists, make acceptable citizens.
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:35am
    - EAD
      
      No they don’t Phil – you’re not pulling the ol “fleeing from persecution” one over us.
      
      The Africans who have destroyed Detroit/ Johannesburg/ Chicago/ London etc. are all Christian. It might not be dramatic and spectacular terrorism, but I don’t want our country benighted with Knife crime and shootings like what is happening in Melbourne with all those “Christian” Africans.
      
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      February 23, 2017 8:38am
      - Longknives
        
        Talk to any Melbourne or Sydney Cop about the carnage and violence caused by Sudanese Gangs..
        
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        February 23, 2017 8:47am
      - PhilBest
        
        The “Africans who have destroyed those cities” are not Christian, what has used the Africans as WMD’s in those cities, is POST Christian decline as a result of white left intellectual poison of the culture.
        
        Christianity has been vainly struggling against this decline, including in the ghettoes, there are some true humanitarian heroes who are ignored because it is not PC to advance Christian values as part of the solution.
        
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        February 23, 2017 9:11am
      - PhilBest
        
        Longknives: there are Sudanese and Sudanese, depending on the religion they hold. There is a much stronger correlation between culture and disruption (by immigrants) than there is between race and disruption.
        
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        February 23, 2017 9:13am
    - cmm
      
      You want to select on IQ, not religion. The two might correlate somewhat, but that’s another matter.
      
      Bring a low IQ person into a higher IQ society and they struggle to cope: can’t get a job, struggle at school, etc etc.
      
      All the while they’re being told that everyone is the same, so the only reason they are doing poorly is racism.
      
      They become resentful.
      
      Regardless of religion this turns into a mess…
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:18am
  - GazzaW
    
    David Shearer knows all the right buttons to push to get them into NZ.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:32am
    - howitis
      
      David Shearer is a very good case study of a politician because he was in Parliament less than eight years, got to the top of his party, and in this short history he never gave anything to the country.
      
      Result: Added value to NZ > SFA.
      Apart from the humour over the dead fish. Whoever set that up gets kudos.
      Oh, and this clever man forgetting about $50k in an offshore bank account. What else did he ‘forget’.
      
      It underscores that even at the top and not hanging around for long most MPs are a waste of space. This is why I believe we should cut the number back to 99 max and preferably 80 – 50 electorate and 30 list.
      
      This ‘superstar’ did better than any Green MP and his legacy is a) dead fish b) costing us taxpayers a by election because he wants to go back to his UN do-gooder shit.- where he is well paid, gets accommodation and travel and does not pay income tax to anyone.
      
      Interesting that the non-income tax-paying UN is the domain of so many Labour party types, Chuck Chauvel; Klarkenfuhrer; Shearer, ever-whiny Chris Carter…. yet they want to raise income tax for the rest of us. Do as we say….
      
      If Shearer had remained a school teacher he might have made a useful contribution to society.
      As a UN trougher – not so much.
      As you point out Gazza, he may end up costing us a lot if he dumps ‘low contributors’ for us to look after while he looks good to his socialist mates.
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:23am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Shearer can pull the loaves and fishes miracle and fix it all; he has a couple of snapper stashed somewhere . . . . . .
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It is not the mothers and their babies that are waging war in these beleaguered lands.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    No but when those babies grow up…
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:59am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Best let them starve to death then.
      
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      February 23, 2017 5:55pm
- BarryB
  
  Totally, totally, totally agree.
  
  When Africa was run by the colonial powers there was no call for aid. Most countries had basic health, education and police systems.
  
  Then it became fashionable to call the colonial powers nasty people – so they all fucked off.
  
  And since then the more aid thats given – the more they want.
  
  Whats needed is for the leaders of places like the Sudan to be lined up against a wall and shot. But the UN will never do something that really helps the citizens of these countries.
  
  I wont give them a cent and I say so as often as the subject comes up. Im not all that popular at the local church – but they idiots just cant see the trouble they are causing.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:34am
  - PhilBest
    
    I recommend: Lord Peter Bauer: “Western Guilt and Third World Poverty”. He has authored other good books too.
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:37am
    - mister nui
      
      Thanks Phil, great essay.
      
      I note it was written in Jan. ’76 – sad we have learnt nothing in >40 years!
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:30am
  - Gabby
    
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    Fake facts. Of course there were calls for aid.
    Bloody surprised to hear you attend church though. Do they do morning tea?
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:55am
  - cmm
    
    Take away the colonials and Africa goes back to being Africa.
    
    There is one exception: Botswana. Perhaps if Africans find out what the Botswana magic is and share that around they might all get somewhere.
    
    As much as you might want to change that, facts are facts.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:05am
    - GazzaW
      
      “share that about”?
      
      While there’s Swiss bank accounts they don’t share anything.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:37am
      - Paulus
        
        Don’t worry Putin is the wealthiest man in the world.
        His known wealth is estimated to put the other wealthy me to shame. If you put Buffet, Gates and say Mugabe, Zuma and two or three others they will not be near Putin’s accepted wealth in excess of US $200 billion.
        This is as far as can be identified.
        
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        February 23, 2017 11:04am
    - BarryB
      
      I think you will find that it is due to a very smart leader. The leader – A woman (one of the very few at the top in africa) – who decided that the official language would be english – and not one of the many local variants and dialects – anyone of which if chosen would have put that group at the top of the heap – and would probably have resulted in the same sort of genocide that has happened elsewhere over such minor matters.
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:16am
      - cmm
        
        It would be naive to reduce it to one variable.
        
        They are also strongly nationalistic at a country level (ie. Botswanans) compared to, say, South Africa where people see themselves as tribes (isiZulu etc).
        
        Then there’s an incredibly low population with most people living rurally scratching out subsistence farming as well as doing mine work etc. ie. The economy is well matched to the capability of the people.
        
        The people don’t expect much and have not been promised the earth, yet they’re relatively prosperous. That is very different to, say, South Africa where people were promised the earth and the ANC set expectations that everyone would be living like apartheid-era whites.
        
        Corruption is low (for Africa). The leadership seem genuinely interested in the people. It isn’t the blatant corruption of South Africa, Zimbabwe and elsewhere.
        
        Pretty solid rule of law and relatively low crime.
        
        Then there’s peace and has been for generations. The commies never tried to overthrow them. They acknowledged the value of colonialism and never had a real anti-colonial backlash.
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:59am
    - rightoverlabour
      
      How many people actually live in Botswana? I don’t disagree that it is one exception in Africa, but you can literally pick up diamonds on the desert floor, so its got plenty of exportable wealth, and I think its dominated by only one Tribe. All the other basket cases in Africa have returned to tribal warfare using AK47s instead of spears. Nothing else has changed in 10,000 years.
      
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      February 23, 2017 2:21pm
  - jonar
    
    It wasn’t all fun times with colonial powers
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State
    
    In the period from 1885 to 1908, a number of well-documented atrocities were perpetrated in the Congo Free State (today the Democratic Republic of the Congo) which, at the time, was a colony under the personal rule of King Leopold II of Belgium. These atrocities were sometimes collectively referred to by European contemporaries as the “Congo Horrors”, and were particularly associated with the labour policies used to collect natural rubber for export. Together with epidemic disease, famine, and a falling birth rate caused by these disruptions, the atrocities contributed to a sharp decline in the Congolese population. The magnitude of the population fall over the period is disputed, but it is thought to be between one and 15 million people.
    
    Between 1891 and 1906, the companies were allowed to do whatever they wished with almost no judicial interference, the result being that forced labour and violent coercion were used to collect the rubber cheaply and maximise profit. A native paramilitary army, the Force Publique, was also created to enforce the labour policies. Individual workers who refused to participate in rubber collection could be killed and entire villages razed. Individual white administrators were also free to indulge their own sadism.
    
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    February 23, 2017 12:11pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      That’s Belgium, they were, by any standards, spectacularly bad at running the country. It was a disgrace what they did, no question. But that stands out because it was very different from most British colonial administrations.
      
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      February 23, 2017 12:46pm
- mister nui
  
  Reading your comment, I was thinking you had read Myers’ piece, then as I got further down noticed you had pasted it in.
  
  His follow-up article was even better – see it here about halfway down.
  
  https://nationaliststandpoints.wordpress.com/2013/01/31/africa-is-giving-nothing-to-anyone-apart-from-aids/
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:41am
- howitis
  
  Brilliant and whilst a nominally long read it is packed efficiently with a word picture.
  
  One of our own MPs – can’t remember who – visited Africa in the early 90s and wrote a series published in the Herald (when it was a newspaper).
  This was circa 1992. It predicted much of this at that stage a quarter century ago and well within 10 years of the Live Aid food drive.
  
  Two movies came out in 2005 and in each case was IMO the best work of each lead actor. Lord of War with Nicholas Cage and Blood Diamond with Leo De Caprio. These really put the spotlight on African conflict which is ‘a thing’. People don’t create they take from others.
  
  Like it or not the diseases and variable climate have been natural controls on a high birthrate continent where forward planning, community spirit, and high IQs are not a dominant feature.
  
  Sweden prior to 30 years ago with less than 5 million very white people gave the world more than the whole of Africa ever has. The Celsius thermometer, the safety match, Tetra Pak; shifting spanner; Alfred Nobel and dynamite; three phase electrical; heaps more things that make life better https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Swedish_inventors
  
  Now Sweden is in the news pretty much daily for what?
  Africa has given bugger all and we know the story of Rhodesia.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:51am
- CharlieBrown
  
  The best way to help Africa is to trade with them freely and pragmatically. But the ball is largely in the European and Americans court on that.
  
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  February 23, 2017 6:26pm
Happychappy

Well a lady from a poverty group saying on TV three this morning that their plan that would give $78.00 a week in tax credits to help a child in poverty is the only way to rid NZ of child poverty. So the tax payer who has had children and made sure their children had all the needs in life has to pay to address some that are poor parents that could not care less and don’t use their skills or money to make sure their children don’t suffer from poverty. This Lady went on to say its only a half a billion dollars needed to fix this problem so why wouldn’t the Government do it.
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February 23, 2017 8:19am
- yossarian
  
  Funny how she didn’t describe what the seven necessities are? Nor lay any blame on poor choices or bad parenting.
  
  We’re told we have almost universal poverty, and we’re supposed to accept facts and figures without question
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:28am
- lifesgood
  
  I am also totally opposed to the campaign for free tampons. For crying out loud! What next? Shampoo, soap, shaving gear, deodorant? The more you give the more they want. Life requires a few basics, tampons are one of them. During the depression women made do, didn’t they?
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:28am
  - Longknives
    
    Sky TV?
    ‘Essential Entertainment’ wasn’t it??
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:48am
  - Lance
    
    Yes …
    The good old depression.
    We walked 20 miles to the school house, barefoot and uphill both ways, through blizzards in summer and winter, back in the good old days.
    When men were men and so were the women
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:08am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      Tell that to the young people of today(and Gabby) and they won`t believe you.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:36am
    - Lance
      
      When I was a boy
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1fBd7UbQPA
      
      Sorry is aimed at programmers 🙂
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:51am
    - Ed Snack
      
      And when small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were REAL small creatures from Alpha Centauri….
      
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      February 23, 2017 12:48pm
      - Disaster Area
        
        I have to uptick that comment!
        
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        February 23, 2017 5:57pm
  - cmm
    
    If we’re going to give women free tampons because that’s an extra cost of being a woman, then surely we should give men more money for food because men burn more calories?
    
    What do tampons cost? $5 per month? ie. 20c per day.
    
    That’s not what’s breaking the bank.
    
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    February 23, 2017 11:06am
- kowtow
  
  I suppose the good thing about having such widespread poverty in New Zealand is that we aren’t under any obligation to send taxpayer money overseas in aid to other poor countries , or to take in any refugees or foreigners to do manual and retail work that our legions of unemployed and poor could take up…………
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:31am
- Gabby
  
  You didn’t accept the family benefit and neither did your kids, right? You’d be a crappy chappy if you took taxpayer money and then pretended to disapprove. Blimey you prolly sucked down your school milk like a good ‘un.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:45am
  - Happychappy
    
    Yes my wife tells me that we got six dollars o fortnight for each child so we had two and yes we excepted that but as for milk I didn’t drink it then and I only have a small amount in my coffee now. But in the 1970s my tax was a lot higher than what you pay now so as they say what comes around goes around, but my two girls never got hand me downs and never went with out because we had parents that taught us to cook, how to grow a garden and other basics need in life apart from parenting skills. If you can’t perform the necessities of basic skill to support your family don’t have Children.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:18am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
istricky, thank you for that about the crazy Brian Tamaki. An excerpt from your link,

“Fake news is everywhere: and even Destiny Church leader Brian Tamaki appears to have been sucked in.

Tamaki shared a post from a bizarre US site, Endoftheamericandream.com, a site advocating preparing for the end of the world, which claimed former president Barack Obama was building a secret army to overthrow US president Donald Trump.

The US, in particular, has suffered from a spate of fake news sites, which draw in mainly right-wing consumers with faked political stories and translate the clicks into advertising revenue.

The post Tamaki shared, entitled Sabotage: Obama Is Commanding An Army Of 30,000 Anti-Trump Activists From His Home 2 Miles From The White House, suggested former president Obama’s support of the Women’s Marches, was actually a rallying cry to build an army and overthrow the newly sworn in President Trump. …”

Yes ,there are many altrighters here on KB and in NZ who also believe the above rubbish about yet another Obama conspiracy . After all the Birther conspiracy still gains currency despite it’s former advocate Trump renouncing it .

It seems certain altrighters have not moved much beyond the Medieval age and even want to stay there .
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February 23, 2017 8:22am
- All_on_Red
  
  It seems followers of Islam have not moved much beyond the Medieval age and even want to stay there .
  
  There, fixed it for you.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:49am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Not fixed . The facts are that today a great many Muslims contribute to our society in the sciences and related professions like Medicine and Engineering .
    
    Only the wilfully ignoarant like you would say otherwise .
    
    BTW would you say the same of US Christian Fundementalists who believe in Creation” Science ” ?
    
    Bill Maher visits the Creation Museum .
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uaz9Ks338c4
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:15am
    - cmm
      
      I have little problem with the high IQ Muslims who have the ability to become engineers and medics.
      
      If we IQ test refugees that would be great.
      
      Unfortunately opening up the floodgates of these immigrants brings in very few doctors and engineers. Most of the capable people left these places and headed to the west decades ago.
      
      To be a doctor or engineer requires an IQ of at least 125-130. That is rare even in a western population with mean IQ of 100 – only about about 3 or 4% make the grade.
      
      Sudan has a mean IQ of 71. That means you’re only going to see 125+ IQ at the rate of 0.1% or less.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:33am
      - Inandout
        
        Yet paradoxically these same supposed higher IQ Muslims, when pushed for an answer, would still find homosexuality punishable. In addition they would likely call for the death penalty for Mohammed cartoonists, so in reality they are intelligent, but on a lower level.
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:37am
      - cmm
        
        Inandout:
        
        Talk’s not too bad. Actually committing the violence is much worse.
        
        Sure it sucks that many of them condone that violence etc, but at least most of the intelligent ones actually want a sane society.
        
        After all, most of the intelligent people left their crappy countries to get away from that third world stuff – they don’t want to see an influx of them lowering the standards of their new country.
        
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        February 23, 2017 3:08pm
    - Longknives
      
      http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/04/asia/afghanistan-taliban-woman-stoning/
      
      Islam is a backward, Barbaric Cult.
      
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      February 23, 2017 11:22am
  - Disaster Area
    
    You should read Prof. Jim Al-Khalili’s book on the golden age of arabic science.
    
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    February 23, 2017 5:59pm
Albert_Ross

Here’s what I thought an interesting thought from Matthew Parris, in the Times. He had suggested that middle-aged people should pay more tax as a way of addressing the looming problem of too few workers supporting too many old-age pensioners; and the huge majority of commenters had pushed back, putting forward all sorts of arguments as to why everybody else should pay more tax, but not them. My emphasis:

I was sharply reminded how very difficult it is for politicians in a democracy to do anything that disadvantages any group at all. Those disadvantaged scream blue murder. Those unaffected simply shrug. All you hear is the screams. The buzz phrase of our era is that politicians are “arrogant and out of touch”, but I’m coming to the conclusion that the brave and honest politicians are the ones who know how to block their ears.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/moments-of-relief-in-the-great-outdoors-pd08x70vt
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February 23, 2017 8:25am
- cmm
  
  Nope. The real problem is that the boomers printed up money. grabbed the loot, had generally hedonistic lifestyles, then left the debt to their kids.
  
  Taxing the productive people to keep the oldies in luxury is not the right way to try fix things – it’s going to jat make for a generation who had to pay for their parents, themselves and their kids (as well as all the single mothers’ kids) simultaneously.
  
  The oldies have had more than their fair share. They can start living a bit more frugally.
  
  Rest homes costing $900/week is ridiculous. Backpacker style living can reduce that to $200 per week – even less.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:39am
  - lifesgood
    
    My goodness you talk a lot of rot. You are clearly one of the “Me” generation, the generation of spoilt brats that thinks the world owes them. You simply have no idea how the boomers got to their so called comfortable lifestyle. It wasn’t easy, I can assure you, and was only achieved by a lot of sacrifice and hard work in the early years. Hedonistic lifestyle? Pfft! It is no use trying to tell people like you what it was like. You have fingers rammed in both your ears.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:48am
    - cmm
      
      I think some of the problem is that “boomers” is a very imprecise term and actually covers different “generations”. Also different countries experienced different periods in different ways.
      
      I was writing in the context of the thread: the UK. Their boomers had a different outcome and behaviour than ours.
      
      I certainly don’t think that the world owes me anything. I have worked hard. I started with nothing and now have quite a bit.
      
      What was the 1960s if not hedonistic?
      
      Much of the boomer wealth was built on an overheated debt fueled economy. That built wealth for the boomers, but left a crater of debt. We are relatively lucky to not have that too bad here.
      
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      February 23, 2017 11:16am
kowtow

Immigration matters.

“THERE is a simple and sinister reason Labor is now attacking Israel. It’s after Muslim votes.

Every federal seat with big Muslim minorities except Reid is now held by Labor, most in western Sydney.”

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/labor-turns-on-israel-to-win-muslim-votes/news-story/f74edb99cbd57670c66ca925c32894c9
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February 23, 2017 8:28am
- dime
  
  what a shock. low iq muslims vote for free shit.
  
  90%+ in the US vote dems.. long before muslim immigration was an issue too
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:34am
  - Kimbo
    
    Um, most ethnic and/or religious minorities vote Dem in the US, including Jews – who KB regulars post are of “above average intelligence”.
    
    Same with voting Labour in NZ.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:49am
dime

http://www.hillarybeattrump.org/home/2017/2/21/hillary-clintons-approval-rating-falls-to-79-percent

That site is fucking weird/ sad.

they mix in some satire on the site, i guess so they can say “its not serious blah blah”

but read the article in the link. not great satire at all.. in fact, looks like escapism for snowflakes.

anyway, if ya need me ill be heading back to my escapism. todays feature is “anal soccer moms”
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February 23, 2017 8:32am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Oh God, you’ve just give stephie his latest google search term.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:18am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    If we are really (un)’lucky’, he will share the link as before
    
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    February 23, 2017 2:34pm
lastmanstanding

What a surprise little coverage of the immigrant riots in Stockholm the other day nor the previous riots nor the significant increase in rapes of white young Swedish women by the peace loving new arrivals.

Guess the MSM is so consumed with their paranoid hatred of the POTUS that any ‘news’ that doesnt fit their agendas is not reported.
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February 23, 2017 8:35am
- PhilBest
  
  I was a bit late yesterday posting this, so will post it again: top marks to the letter writer, and points to the Herald for actually having the decency to print this, yesterday.
  
  “Throughout 2016, the mainstream media published endless stories about the high level of migrant crime in Sweden. In Jan 2016, the Daily Mail reported that migrant teen gangs are spreading terror, and this was followed by numerous stories in other papers about hundreds of cars being torched, women being groped en mass, grenade attacks, no-go areas for police officers, and the discovery of a bomb outside a primary school.
  
  Only a fortnight ago, a Swedish Police Officer spoke out against high levels of rapes, assaults, murder attempts, and violence against the police, and claimed the majority of serious crimes in his city were committed by migrants. Even the liberal BBC reported that the Swedish Police covered up hundreds of sexual assaults by migrants so as to not worsen racial tensions.
  
  Whether these stories were exaggerated or not, the media certainly made it sound as though migrant crime was a major problem in Sweden. Yet as soon as Donald Trump suggests similar, the majority of newspapers begin to defend migrants and claim that crime in Sweden isn’t that bad. So desperate are they to attack Trump and portray him as a liar, that they are happy to ignore the fact that he is only saying what many newspapers have been saying for years.”
  
  Andrew Stevenson, Mairangi Bay.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:43am
  - EAD
    
    Ever wonder how it came to pass that Sweden became multicultural?
    
    With attitudes like this – here is the Head of Social media of the Jewish owned “Bonnier Group” who dominate the Swedish MSM reminding all Moffat Sweden that “Sweden is too White”
    
    https://redice.tv/news/director-of-social-media-at-swedens-bonnier-publishing-says-sweden-and-europe-is-too-white
    
    I wonder if she’d say Israel is “too Jewish”?
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:09am
    - PhilBest
      
      I have often asked the same question. It always seems to have sprung from a strong leftist politics even though that leftist politics was initially about “the workers”. It always seems to morph towards the politics of “all oppressed identities”, not just the workers.
      
      It also runs along with the abandonment of Christianity, in fact Christianity is the main target of the long march thru the institutions, which is the only way the long march’s contradictions can be explained.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:17am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        And the destruction of the nuclear family, aided and abetted by the likes of those celebrities who adopt black kids as a way of virtue signalling.
        
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        February 23, 2017 9:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    A very bad and misinformed letter that needs to be challenged on a number of accounts .
    
    One for the time being will do . It is absolutely the case that Trump was referring to an Orlando , Paris , Nice type incident Terrorist incident . It never happened .His other comments were a form of back peddling trying to cover up his simple mistake .
    
    There is no immigrant crime wave , riots , mass rapes etc in Sweden .
    
    Period.
    
    https://www.yahoo.com/news/meet-the-22-year-old-fighting-trumps-terror-talk-about-Sweden-from-the-countrys-official-twitter-feed-194007419.html
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:57am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘ . It is absolutely the case that Trump was referring to an Orlando , Paris , Nice type incident ‘
      The third time you have peddled this lie.
      You have no idea what Trump may have meant. Trump clarified it the next day.
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:17am
    - Rachael Membery
      
      Perhaps he got a ‘security’ briefing, despite himself, that you do not know the details of!!!
      
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      February 23, 2017 4:56pm
- MCos
  
  There’s a lot of bad stuff going on that doesn’t get must coverage in any media at all eg the ongoing plight of the Rohingya Muslims in Burma currently being persecuted by the Buddhists. Far worse than anything that’s happening in Sweden.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:10am
  - kowtow
    
    Any media at all?
    
    Nope , Al Jazeera cover it extensively , being the Muslim propaganda broadcaster that it is.
    
    But then a quick google will show that numerous world media bodies cover it.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:34am
    - MCos
      
      I’m not saying it gets no coverage, but it certainly doesn’t get the wall to wall headlines accorded lesser events.
      By the way, of course Al Jazeera is going to cover Muslim issues. It’s based in a Muslim part of the world.
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:11am
Nigel Kearney

Media comparing Trump to Hitler hasn’t been getting the job done so now they’ve gone to the next level and accused him of demonic activity:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11805853
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February 23, 2017 8:36am
- dime
  
  kinda funny to watch them churn out turd after turd though
  
  8 years people 🙂
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:39am
- Inandout
  
  Oh look, a dying newspaper’s last gasp against Trump. It was discussed on radio this morning that the (literate) elderly subscribers were keeping newspapers afloat, even though the journalists I presume regard their readers with disdain.
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:46am
  - Fletch
    
    My elderly mother is sick to death of the anti-Trump stories in the Herald and is thinking of canceling her subscription. She remarked the other day that the paper had been in the house (her parents house, her house) ever since she could remember. A lot of her friends have already cancelled.
    
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    February 23, 2017 11:13am
  - Ross12
    
    That’s the irony of it Inandout. The newspapers are losing circulation rapidly so to cut cosst they employ young grads. who write/copy stuff that their age group is interested in –problem : their age group does not buy or read newspapers and the elderly who do are not interested in what they write about. So the cycle continues in ever decreasing circles. I see newspaper junkie, Bob Jones, gives the Dom Post 3-4 years maximum.
    In Australia, Fairfax ( The Age and the SMH) are looking at only printing a paper for the weekends)
    
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    February 23, 2017 1:55pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Yet, there hasn’t been a Islamic single terror attack in the US since November 8. The media should be celebrating that achievement.
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    Rich Prick , so Donald is divine after all and ushering the fulfilment of the Book of revelations ?
    
    It also might suggest that the ” religion of peace” is not the big bogey many of his supporters are claiming.
    
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    February 23, 2017 2:03pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Oh look it’s stephieboy, the weasel. Doesn’t even have the cojones or is man enough to apologise to a woman for his own words.
      
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      February 23, 2017 2:12pm
- jonar
  
  Um, did you miss the fact that they’re reporting what some minister said? The Media isn’t accusing him of anything.
  
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  February 23, 2017 12:28pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Stephieboy again uses the term altrighter… and asserts that there are many here on KB.

I looked up the term alt-right yesterday and discovered that it covered things such as white supremacist, neo-nazi, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alt-right

Perhaps one or two folk who post on KB might be associated with such terms.
I am not, as I can tell most of us who post on KB are not, either.
I resent being labelled as such and I will take action if stephieboy tries to link me to any such group again.
I can’t speak for the rest of you folks, but it would be good to get stephieboy to justify his use of the label each time he tries to smear it over KB.
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February 23, 2017 8:36am
- nasska
  
  Dear Life,
  
  Would you at least start using lubricant?
  
  (signed)
  
  stephieboy
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:43am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Maggy Wassilieff,
  
  When did I say you were a Neo Nazi. ?
  
  I suggest you learn to get over yourself .
  
  BTW , would you describe yourself as islamaphobic ?
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:44am
  - Ross12
    
    Can’t you read stephieboy? Maggie gave you the link from which she got her definition and on which based her comment.
    I agree with and support Maggie’s comment.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:00am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Being concerned about the destruction of our social values by a group of people who have none does not make you Islamaphobic. It just makes you concerned for the direction of our society. Fuck man, grow up.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:27am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    Coward.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:39am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Stephanie is very correct.
    
    We need to know who is afraid of Muslims and who just doesn’t like them.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:41am
  - cmm
    
    A phobia is an irrational fear. A rational fear is not a phobia.
    
    Being worried about an influx of Muslims like they’re having in Europe is a rational fear. It is not a phobia.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:45am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      It’s rational to be concerned that a random bunch of Syrians chosen for us by the UN might include potential terrorists. It’s not rational to try to shut out people like the guy who came here from Malaysia or Pakistan as a child and is now installing fibre in your street.
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:20am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yesterday on GD, at 10:51am you wrote
    “Maggy W, is it not surprising a tree hugger like you has jumped onto the alt right band wagon ?
    
    Not really !
    
    6 minutes later , you specifically linked me with material from neo-Nazi organisations, even though I have never used such sources.
    
    I have not stated that you have called me a neo-Nazi, but you have linked my name with alt-right and neo-Nazi labels. That is offensive and potentially defamatory.
    
    Now you further try to smear me by suggesting I could possibly be an islamaphobe.
    I have done everything possible to try and show how your crass reference to young women in shopping malls is offensive and your public linking to sexually explict sites is an affront to any thinking person (let alone practising moslems).
    
    I suggest you would be deeply offended if I posed a leading question on a public forum
    Stephieboy are you a……. ?
    
    You hide behind your pseudonym and try to establish false narratives about me.
    
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    February 23, 2017 3:32pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Others do like All on Red and ABS . Why not me ?
      
      As I suggested you need to get over yourself ,
      
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      February 23, 2017 3:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Don’t dissemble. Your own nasty words and behaviour (as in linking to porn) condemn you.
        You can’t deny you got Strikes for calling me a Nazi and for linking to porn. It’s all there in the About KB comments section.
        But hey, I’d rather you kept up your abusive trolling because then you would just get Strikes and you’d be gone!
        So I say carry on Pornoboy. Two weeks next- lol
        
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        February 23, 2017 4:03pm
- calendar girl
  
  That was a straight smear directed at you yesterday, Maggie, and stephieboy wasn’t big enough to offer even a gentle apology.
  
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  February 23, 2017 8:47am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He got a Strike for comparing me to a Nazi. Just complain to DPF. He’ll get no sympathy if he is still doing it.
    Alt- right is offensive and he knows it is. That’s why he says it…
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:57am
  - stephieboy
    
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    calendar girl, I believe it was not. I merely suggested that many of the links regarding Muslims in Sweden were often associated with Neo Nazi and other ultra Nationalists organisations and therefore not credible .
    
    Whats wrong with that ?
    
    And it is certainly not my fault that those organisations and white supremacist are often associated with the alt right .
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:24am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Explaining is losing Stephieboy
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:30am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      Would you say being proud of being white is white supremacy?
      
      How is it different to being proud of being brown for example?
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:35am
    - Fletch
      
      Do you remember when that film crew got beat up in Sweden? Paul Joseph Watson covers it (and other events) here –
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPtNON6sHXw
      
      An interesting snippet near the end by a guy who actually lives there and can attest to the things happening.
      
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      February 23, 2017 11:16am
- AgentBallSack
  
  I reported him for that comment, and I will carry on reporting him for his vile abuse and vitriol towards other KB commentators. I don’t care what he says about me but his constant linking of people to hate groups is beyond the pale.
  
  If he wants to play with adults he could at least learn to act like one.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    ABS, I do not indulge in vitriol persoanl abuse towards KB commnetators.
    
    Examples ?
    
    And you should talk having a few days ago called me a C … which I certainly reported .
    
    BTW , reid ( now reid 3 ) got suspoended twice for directing that same absue towads me
    
    So there !
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:27am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Stephie says
      ‘ABS, I do not indulge in vitriol persoanl abuse towards KB commnetators.
      Examples ?’
      Sure, here you go. You say this to me a few posts up this thread. Hey, I can take it cause I’m happy to give it back to you, eh, you lying hypocrite.
      
      ‘Only the wilfully ignoarant like you would say otherwise .’
      Lol.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:35am
      - stephieboy
        
        All On Red ,
        
        “Only the wilfully ignorant like you would say otherwise .’
        
        It is a personal opinion unlike your kind of vitriol abuse such as “porn boy” , creepy etc , etc .
        
        Your should talk ! The throwing in stone glasses situation.
        
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        February 23, 2017 9:41am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Pornoboy, Creepyboy’
        Stephie makes lewd comments about young girls in Malls – CHECK – Creepyboy
        Stephie links to porn sites and posts nude photoes of Melania Trump on several occasions- CHECK- Pornoboy.
        
        Own your shit.
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:21am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      There’s a difference between levelling your accusations at those of us who will “play” with you, and slandering someone with the same abuse, who as far as I know has always treated you with respect.
      
      Most of the times I find you amusing and a sometimes worthy opponent, but there’s no need to lump everyone in the same basket.
      
      You know the difference between the commentators who will joust with you, and those who are merely replying to your comments.
      
      As far as I know Maggy has never abused you and has even let me know of her displeasure at a comment I directed at you.
      
      I think you owe her an apology.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:37am
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS, stop weedling you way out of it . You used nasty and vile abuse me by calling me a C… Not to mention other kinds of vile abuse like stephiebitch etc, etc !
        
        End of story.
        
        I did not call Maggy W a neo Nazi or such like ,
        
        End of story .
        
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        February 23, 2017 9:46am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Yes stephie the other day I called you a “xenophobic C”. When I posted it I commented to my partner, “I think I am going to get banned for that”. So I was fully prepared for the consequences.
        
        You will note that I havent called you stephiebitch in ages, it’s abusive so I have been trying not to use it.
        
        My view is that in order to communicate with as many differing styles of commentators on KB, I have had to change the way I respond and react to people in order to get the best out of each interaction.
        
        With you and I, it’s more a mano a mano, jocular needling, which I don’t use on many other people.
        
        I change my commenting styles (and language) depending who I am interacting with. I am yet to see if you are capable of that.
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:02am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Stephieboy, I am sorry I called you a “xenophobic cunt”. While the intent behind the words was meant, I could have phrased it much better and without the abusive words.
        
        Now it’s your turn. I suggest:
        
        “Maggy, I am sorry my words were construed in such a way that you thought I was calling you a far right Nazi. As you post here under your real name, any slur against you and your good name was unintended.”
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:59am
    - reid3
      
      stephie, the fact you’ve got zero upticks and to date, 29 down, suggests to me a lot of other people share the same view.
      
      What does it suggest to you?
      
      Or would you prefer not to answer lest you get another 0-29 on the scoreboard.
      
      We’re going to have to send away to NASA to calculate your total at this rate, I doubt your average computer has enough memory to add up all that negativity.
      
      Perhaps you should get the message and stop saying anything at all, lest the trend continue and pretty soon, every single comment you make is instantly 30+ in the negative and hidden from view to protect the eyes and minds of everyone.
      
      In over 24000k comments I’ve rarely had 30 downticks stephie. Know that? And I call the leaders of Israel murderous thugs when they are, which is frequently, which seems to excite many here, for some reason. I also call people stupid, idiots, fools, morons, sheeple, power dummies and all sorts of other things and yet, only once or twice have I ever received anything like that which you receive consistently on a daily basis. Evidence is here stephie, computer data is what it is, read it and weep.
      
      Perhaps you should think about why, or since you’re clearly not very good at it, perhaps you should ask someone else in the family who loves you why, hopefully their DNA in the brain dept won’t be quite as flawed as yours clearly is and they’ll be able to get it through to you that sometimes, the best thing to do is just walk away and never go near it again.
      
      I daresay if you did that stephie, you wouldn’t get quite so depressed when you think about how many people clearly hate your mind. I suppose you justify it to yourself by hallucinating that in reality, the power of your insights are simply too overwhelming for the apparently gazillions of people who downtick you, every single day. That really, your humanity and wisdom just exposes their ignorance and inhumanity, so they lash out with a downtick, meaning, to you, you must continue the mission, to save the victim, the downtrodden, by making counter-example after counter-example on every little thing, because how else will people realise how wrong they truly are and one day, they will turn to you and thank you for saving them, for your courage and humanity in sticking through the blizzard after blizzard of downticks, on behalf of the victim, who you love, with compassion and kindness and must defend, with all your strength and might.
      
      If you do think that stephie, you’re quite wrong. Everyone knows what you try to do, but the thing is, they don’t care. They’re not interested. They’ve already fully understood the side of whatever argument it is you pose, and they’ve judged, in the fulness of evidence, the truth actually lies elsewhere. In other words stephie, you are simply wasting their time. That’s why you get a downtick blizzard every single time you click submit.
      
      To stop the blizzard you could try being more insightful and actually post something relevant, but I suspect you’re operating at full capacity merely regurgitating what everyone else already knows and decided many years ago wasn’t germane or if it ever was, was over-weighted by other, more important and truly relevant factors in the process by which they came to their decision on whatever it is under discussion.
      
      So since you probably can’t do that, you might consider stopping altogether. That would certainly improve the downtick-uptick ratio. Wouldn’t it.
      
      There doesn’t seem a third alternative steve. That’s it, I’m afraid.
      
      As it is, you know why I called you the c word which resulted in my most recent ban? If you scroll up a couple of posts in that discussion thread, you’ll see you asked me what I (mistakenly as it turned out) a serious question on a serious subject, which was my opinion on one of Trump’s billionaire backers. Since this was the first question ever from you of that nature to me, I took you at your word, congratulated you, and proceeded to outline my genuine thoughts on it. This is what a blog should be and had you been like that from the start you and I would by now had any number of incredibly fruitful discussions on a huge range of issues.
      
      But instead of continuing the process and enquiring further and perhaps disagreeing on a point or three and explaining why, you just reverted to your standard childishly simplistic vapid biased and frankly idiotic style with a 3 line reply that said nothing about the detail I’d outlined and had nothing to do with your original question.
      
      That’s why I used the c word on you at that time, which I realise is offensive to the 50.3% of actual women and probably another 12 or so% of girly men who wish they were women (i.e. Labour supporters); but there was a reason why I used it, and sometimes, men have to be men and call people out when they do the wrong thing.
      
      Hopefully you’ll now get all confused and post something on what I just said, get it all wrong, as you do, and get yet another downtick blizzard.
      
      That’s the thinking stephie. So do ya feel lucky, stephie?
      
      Well, do ya?
      
      Edit: it’s now the magic 30. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha.
      
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      February 23, 2017 6:47pm
    - calendar girl
      
      stephieboy @ 9:24am (hidden comment above):
      
      “I believe it was not” [i.e. a smear directed at Maggie]. “I merely suggested that many of the links regarding Muslims in Sweden were often associated with Neo Nazi and other ultra Nationalists organisations and therefore not credible.”
      
      I’m calling you out on your deliberate fabrication of the facts, stephie. In what you actually said, you called upon Maggie – addressing her unmistakenly with the word “you” – to provide evidence of mass rapes by Muslims in Sweden, indicating a connection in your mind between her comments and “sleaze tabloids”, “neo Nazi organisations”, the “Gladstone Institute etc”. Here is the direct quotation from your post:
      
      “You provide the factual evidence of crime waves , murder and mass rape by Muslim immigrants and refugees in Sweden other than sleaze tabloids or neo Nazi organisations , Gladestone Institute etc .”
      
      Don’t protest your innocence to me , stephie. I don’t believe a word of that weak ‘explanation’ of your comment directed at Maggie yesterday.
      
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      February 23, 2017 7:51pm
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Reporting people on KB is childlike.
    
    The Steph’s of this world should be afforded free speech warts and all.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyoOfRog1EM
    Hitchens – free speech
    
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    February 23, 2017 10:32am
    - Rodney Randall
      
      “don’t take refuge in the false security of consensus”
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:38am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I took a long time to realise that the filthy insults and defamatory comments I was subjected to when I first came on KB were not going to be actioned.
      
      I do not abuse people on KB. I follow David Farrar’s rules, but I have learnt that my sexual life, the size of my tits, my mental state are all up for grabs by anyone who indulges in writing abusive material here.
      
      I do not want anyone’s freedom to comment on topics curtailed. I just want the personal abuse against me to cease.
      I write under my own name. My surname is that of my husband’s family. It is Germanised Russian.
      I resent having my family name linked to neo-Nazism, anti-semitism or any form of racist/ religious hatred.
      The Wassilieff’s have had a gutsful of the political crap put around by nasty folks under the sneaky cloak of anonymity.
      
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      February 23, 2017 3:45pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I was just coming to ask you if your name is Germanic. The double “S” in the middle made me curious. I can understand your desire not to be linked to anything construed as far right.
        
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        February 23, 2017 3:51pm
- Lance
  
  The cliche’s and buzzwords are flying about on KB left right and centre these days.
  Good basis of bullshit bingo but other wise rather idiotic
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:37am
- cmm
  
  The purpose of this relentless nastiness is to poison the well.
  
  Yeah there’s some echo chamber going on on KB but so what – it is somewhat refreshing to see an echo chamber that is not relentlessly leftie.
  
  People come here and, generally, try to enter into a bit of debate and a few bits of humour.
  
  Stephie and co don’t want discussion. They just want to make everything so toxic that people give up and leave.
  
  So what’s the solution? Well that’s not for me to decide – that’s for DPF. However I will say this….
  
  Apply playground principles. If you want to play in the sandpit then you’ve got to play with the other kids. If you just throw sand in the other kids’ eyes then you’re out the sandpit.
  
  But, hey, that’s the leftie way.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:55am
- Garbageman
  
  Fair call Maggi but just remember its par for the course for low IQ lefties to spray nasty shit everywhere it distracts commentators from the rational discussion and insights that people far more politically qualified than me bring to KB, these individuals rarely offer anything to the comments section as in posts of their own but are obvious by multiple replies and an inability to grasp basic facts or counter arguments best just to ignore them because in their minds its winning when they provoke the reaction they have from you
  
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  February 23, 2017 11:26am
- jonar
  
  Maggy, are you also going to request that your fellow KBs stop using labels?
  
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  February 23, 2017 2:37pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    @Jonar
    
    It’s not my blog… but I would happily support the suggestion that DPF’s rules about trolling, personal abuse, gratuitous references and personal details were enforced.
    
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    February 23, 2017 3:50pm
tvb

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Israel is a racist state. There is no reason for us to have diplomatic relations with them. I am glad the Israeli PM did not come to NZ after visiting Australia. He would not be welcome.
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February 23, 2017 8:42am
- srylands
  
  Sure thing. We can join Bolivia, Cuba, Nicaragua, Venezuela, Mauritania, Chad, Mali, Niger and Iran in not having Diplomatic relations with Israel.
  
  You really think that is in the best interest of New Zealand? There would be no adverse consequences?
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:03am
  - cmm
    
    It isn’t about adverse consequences. It is about staying out of other peoples’ business.
    
    If you really must get involved, then do it based on principles.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:11am
    - Kimbo
      
      Hmm. Seems like the same argument that the likes of Pik Botha in apartheid-era South Africa threw up that “you don’t understand/mind your own business/you have your own skeletons in the cupboard” when she was criticised and subject to diplomatic pressure – and no, I’m not doing a stephie and calling you out on the basis you are originally a saffer.
      
      Also, our co-sponsoring of UNSC2334 is in line with our long-standing principles. In 1947 we voted for the two-state solution when the UN put forward their partition plan. We haven’t changed. at all. Sounds principled to me.
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:02am
- Lance
  
  Ah yes Israel
  The only Democracy in the Middle East
  Has total equality for women
  Gays are treated pretty much the same as in NZ and are not thrown off buildings
  Religious minorities are not routinely murdered, the only place Arab Christians are safe is in Israel
  Female genital is outlawed, as is honour killings, throwing acid in women’s faces, rape etc etc.
  And seriously.. you can eat the food and not get the screaming shits for the next month.
  
  A real hell hole.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:42am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Was sounding good until they outlawed the female genital – which I think that most people (including Jews) generally approve of. Maybe you meant female gentiles?
    
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    February 23, 2017 10:01am
    - Lance
      
      Opps … genital mutilation of course
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:18am
  - Kimbo
    
    As per my post above, a not dis-similar argument to that put forward by the apologists for apartheid-era South Africa:
    
    Blacks in our country have a better life, human rights and standard of living than the rest of Africa.
    
    We are a much more successful and prosperous democracy than the rest of Africa. No Idi Amin here.
    
    All true. But a distraction, as apartheid was still wrong, as also is settlement of the West Bank to effect annexation by increment and stealth. We fought two world wars to stop annexation by conquest.
    
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    February 23, 2017 10:06am
    - Lance
      
      They were attacked twice by overwhelming numbers of the enemy and beat them back twice. The goal of the attackers was annihilation.
      And well shock horror… they annexed territory when they won.
      Casue if the Arabs had won they would have sat quietly around a table and worked out who deserved what land……… or that would have slaughtered all the Jews they found.. I wonder which scenario would have played out?
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:59am
      - Kimbo
        
        Straw man.
        
        Israel was attacked and they occupied the territories concerned…and as she does not have peace she continues to occupy. No problem. And she can continue to do so indefinitely. That is New Zealand’s position, and it is reflected in the wording of UNSC2334.
        
        But she may not settle and annex. And when she does, like apartheid-era South Africa, there are diplomatic repercussions.
        
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        February 23, 2017 11:04am
      - Lance
        
        So just like Russia with Crimea then.. no.. wait
        
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        February 23, 2017 1:21pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Still channelling Pik Botha c1985 “What about Uganda, Zaire, The Central African Republic…?”
        
        But contrary to your implication, Russia, like Israel, does feel the diplomatic heat from the UN:
        
        http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/a_res_68_262.pdf
        
        So what was your point again, other than distraction?
        
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        February 23, 2017 1:33pm
    - gravedodger
      
      Which wars did you fight in? just asking.
      
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      February 23, 2017 1:43pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Relevance? Just asking.
        
        Mind you, as we all have an interest in avoiding World War III, and for most of the past 70 years the most likely casus belli for that has been the Middle East…good on our government doing what it can to act as an honest and consistent broker in the Israel-Palestine conflict.
        
        Oh, yes, and NZ troops fought and died under General Allenby in the 1917-18 Palestine campaign against the Turks, and that laid the foundation for the formation of the modern state of Israel, so as a nation, we do have skin in the game. Oh, yeah, and our then-pre-Statute of Westminster foreign policy of the time was that of the Balfour Declaration, which affirmed not only the desirability of a Jewish state, but also said that nothing should be done to prejudice the civil rights of the local Arab populace.
        
        So that’s now 100 years of continuity.
        
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        February 23, 2017 1:49pm
  - Paulus
    
    And 25% of the population are Arabs.
    
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    February 23, 2017 1:44pm
- gravedodger
  
  Which of the functioning democracies occupying territory between the Indian sub continent and the Mediterranean would you welcome, I would appreciate it if you excluded the few that do not have seperatist laws around religion.
  
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  February 23, 2017 1:41pm
- Jack5
  
  TVB, the downticks on your 8.42 post suggest your statement that Israel’s PM wouldn’t be welcome in NZ is nonsense.
  
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  February 23, 2017 1:58pm
pdm

Have TV3 – or whatever they call themselves these days – stopped running political polls?
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February 23, 2017 8:50am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Their budgets are under stress so they can’t justify spending money on stuff which keeps reminding them that their heroes the left are not getting anywhere.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:46am
- Happychappy
  
  No they wait till the media senses a change in the attitude of the political landscape and if it favours their belief and gives a chance to do a hit on the party they don’t want they run a poll. When you have promotions of staff on TV where they tell people they do the job to inform people about truth in story or they are there to hold people that they interview to account they must realize that they are despised.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:50am
- Rich Prick
  
  They haven’t liked the look of the results for some time now. It wouldn’t surprise me if they’ve given up out of depression.
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:53am
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Cant wait for the Hate Crime law so I can get stephieboy into Court for spewing hate crime against me and many others on KB.

They can dish it out but cant take it.
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February 23, 2017 8:56am
- srylands
  
  What if there are many Stephieboys?
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:04am
  - Manolo
    
    In fact, there are several stephieboys. I reckon at least three, if not four, with different degrees of literacy.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:08am
- stephieboy
  
  lastmanstsanding ,”spewing hate crime against you ?
  
  Suggesting that some Trump followers and Islamaphobics are largely morons a hate crime ?
  
  In what way ?
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:37am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    WOOOOOSH!
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:55am
    - stephieboy
      
      ABS , or more pertinently some are deluded like maybe you ?
      
      ZOOOOM!
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:06am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        LOL deluded in what respect stephie?
        
        Tell me in your own words without falling back on your go to buzzwords, alt-right nazi Trumpist deplorable racist bigot.
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:17am
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS, first you learn to stop calling a C… !
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:37am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Once again stephie deflects and doesn’t give an answer to a polite request for clarification. As I intimated yesterday, unless you’re flinging shit at people, there’s nothing substantial to your posts.
        
        You’re not here to change anyones minds, you’re just here to be an asshole.
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:52am
Ross12

Well, well the USA has a Katie Bradford. This one will be repeated for ever

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-22/msnbc-anchor-admits-our-job-control-exactly-what-people-think

SCARBOROUGH: “Exactly. That is exactly what I hear. What Yamiche said is what I hear from all the Trump supporters that I talk to who were Trump voters and are still Trump supporters. They go, ‘Yeah you guys are going crazy. He’s doing — what are you so surprised about? He is doing exactly what he said he is going to do.'”

BRZEZINSKI: “Well, I think that the dangerous, you know, edges here are that he is trying to undermine the media and trying to make up his own facts. And it could be that while unemployment and the economy worsens, he could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. And that, that is our job.”

NB the last sentence from Brzezinski !!

PS Sorry just noted B.L.Zeebub’s post above on the same thing
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February 23, 2017 9:06am
jcuk

Yesterday I heard a cryptic comment on National Radio that a survey of the effects of ‘left turn on red light’ would be needed.

Do these folk not know that ‘turn right on red’ is common in the USA, if not universally the rule?
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February 23, 2017 9:27am
- AgentBallSack
  
  You’re talking about a country that took 25 years to change to the common world rule “left turning vehicles have the right of way over vehicles crossing the center line”
  
  One thing JK got right.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:31am
- cmm
  
  In USA it varies from state to state. All states have it now, but some states have restrictions.
  
  The onus is still on the driver to only make the turn when it is safe to do so.
  
  It’s a really easy and low risk change to make – far less risk than getting rid of our goofy give way rule that we got rid of in 2012.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turn_on_red
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:05am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    They even got this right about 30 years ago in South Africa. Sitting at Red lights waiting to turn either right or left is such a waste of time. I suppose if we argued it adds to global warming, they would do something… ( even if global warming is iffy) (No right turn red arrows are fucking stupid. Green arrows make sense, red ones don’t.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:06pm
Rodney Randall

I ended up here post the Dunedin Cadburys debacle:

https://m.facebook.com/notes/boycott-halal-certification-in-australia/the-truth-about-halal-certification/787390394679087/
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February 23, 2017 10:10am
- Jack5
  
  Great post, Rodney.
  
  The cultural cowardice of our leaders, political and in business, is astonishing.
  
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  February 23, 2017 1:52pm
EAD

What do Andrew Jackson, JFK, Hitler & Jesus of Nazareth have in common(see image):

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtNoAD9UkAAfrTr.jpg:large
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February 23, 2017 10:19am
- EAD
  
  [Speaking about international bankers] “You are a den of vipers! I intend to rout you out, and by the Eternal God I will rout you out. If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking system, there would be a revolution before morning.” . . . “If congress has the right under the Constitution to issue paper money, it was given them to use themselves, not to be delegated to individuals or corporations.”– President Andrew Jackson
  
  “Executive Order 11110 will enable the Treasury to to issue silver certificates against any silver bullion, silver, or standard silver dollars in the Treasury.” JFK – June 1963, 5 months before his assassination by a “lone wolf”
  
  ”I understood immediately that here was a truth of transcendental importance for the future of the German people. The absolute separation of stock exchange capital from the economic life of the nation would make it possible to oppose the process of internationalization in German business without at the same time attacking capital at such, for to do this would be to jeopardize the foundations of our national independence. I clearly saw what was developing in Germany, and I realized then that the stiffest fight we would have to wage would not be against the enemy nations but against international capital” – Hitler
  
  “And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers, and the seats of them that sold doves, And said unto them, It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a den of thieves.” – Jesus
  
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  February 23, 2017 10:33am
  - Kimbo
    
    “One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn’t belong, Can you tell which thing is not like the others. By the time I finish my song?”
    
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    February 23, 2017 10:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD , Jesus was a Jew , now wasn’t he ?
    
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    February 23, 2017 10:35am
    - EAD
      
      If he was Jewish, why did the Jews kill him?
      
      After this, Jesus went around in Galilee. He did not want to go about in Judea because the Jewish leaders there were looking for a way to kill him
      
      John 7:1
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:55am
      - Lance
        
        Cause nobody has ever wanted to kill someone of the same race as them?
        Interesting logic
        
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        February 23, 2017 1:25pm
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD , why does anyone want to rid someone with his radical views .
        
        Check out his genealogy in the Gospels It s made abundantly clear that he is descended from the House of David and both of his parents were Jewish.
        
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        February 23, 2017 2:09pm
      - fernglas
        
        I always thought it was Romans who killed him.
        
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        February 23, 2017 3:22pm
      - Kimbo
        
        “…Crucified under Pontius Pilate…”
        
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        February 23, 2017 3:24pm
      - reid3
        
        EAD, Jesus was a Jew. The people who killed him were “Jews who say they are but are not.”
        
        The Pharisees, who were the ones who incited the crowd to pick Barrabus, had an oral tradition of Biblical Law called the Mishnah.
        
        The Mishnah is what has become the Talmud.
        
        The Talmud is the book which says Christ burns in Hell in his own excrement and goyim are lower than animals and Eretz (greater) Israel is the rightful home of the Jewish people.
        
        The Talmud is the book people like Netanyahu and most Likudists follow.
        
        The Talmud is the book which inspired the Israel flag, with the two parallel lines which denote the territories of greater Israel, everything between the Nile and the Euphrates.
        
        The Talmud is the book the State of Israel and US politicians and the global MSM never talk about because if the goy ever read it, their eyes will be open and it would blow the Eretz Israel operation in progress since 1948, sky-high.
        
        The Talmud is the book all the “Jewish” people you and I try to tell the sheeple about, follow.
        
        Real Jews follow the Torah and decry the Talmud. Just like Jesus did. Real Jews are not the guys the sheeple are told are the “real Jews,” because the media never talk about those guys, they only ever talk about people who follow the Talmud, as if they and their beliefs have anything whatsoever to do with the Jews from the Bible, who were all Torah Jews, except for the infiltrators, who became the money changers in the temple, and the Pharisees.
        
        And they’ve been infiltrating ever since.
        
        This is Satan at work. The Slanderer and The Deceiver. And isn’t he good at what he does.
        
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        February 23, 2017 7:20pm
      - sam green
        
        Oh FFS. What fucking nonsense!
        
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        February 23, 2017 11:22pm
      - SPC
        
        “Those people” are (0f) the adversary, those people are (of) the slanderer, those people are (of) the deceiver – whereas “we of the righteous nationalism are the new favourites of God” …. wtf.
        
        This line of thought belongs to a certain strain of both Christendom and Islam (each an effective mirror image of the other).
        
        The idea of there being a people of God on the earth, is an idea each religion stole off Jews, ungrateful thieving bastards with a murderous heart towards them and yet posing as being in close association with the God of Israel and his word.
        
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        February 23, 2017 11:51pm
Manolo

The Mufti presses Labour and Shorten surrenders:
https://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-west-australian/20170223/281651074875988
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February 23, 2017 10:35am
Manolo

Isn’t she a lovely and civil lady?
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/22/maxine-waters-scumbags-donald-trump-cabinet-administration

In an interview with Chris Hayes on MSNBC’s “All In,” Waters had some harsh words for members of Trump’s cabinet and other associates with alleged ties to Russia.

“I just think the American people had better understand what’s going on. This is a bunch of scumbags. That’s what they are. Who are all organized around making money,” she said.
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February 23, 2017 10:57am
Inandout

The strike back by the French establishment in an attempt to bring down Le Pen. She has already upset a Muslim chieftan by refusing to wear a veil in his presence.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-lepen-idUSKBN1610XQ

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-lepen-idUSKBN1600R6
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February 23, 2017 10:57am
- James Stephenson
  
  The cleric’s press office said Le Pen’s aides had been informed beforehand that a headscarf was required for the meeting and had been “surprised by her refusal”.
  
  Le Pen 1:0 Grand Mufti
  
  They walked right into that one.
  
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  February 23, 2017 12:58pm
Inandout

And a classic cartoon on the veil.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C5R6DQwVcAAJKsO.jpg
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February 23, 2017 11:11am
Chuck Bird

This cultural bullshit makes me want to vomit.

Rugby player pleads guilty to assault with intent to rape

Judge Warren Cathcart remanded Tamanitoakula on bail for sentencing on June 9. Pre-sentence and cultural reports were ordered.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11806030
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February 23, 2017 12:51pm
- Jack5
  
  Yep it’s race-based justice, Chuck.
  
  But if this guy were from Saudi Arabia you can bet Judge Cathcart wouldn’t be considering having the offender beheaded, or castrated, or de-armed.
  
  The culture reports will be one-way. They will recommend lesser sentences because of cultural norms, or they will recommend nothing.
  
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  February 23, 2017 1:46pm
  - Inandout
    
    He may have had an excuse like the Muslim ‘sexual emergency’ when he committed the offence.
    
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    February 23, 2017 2:28pm
- Happychappy
  
  Yes but you don’t have to read them but it seems get off on sex stories and Winston Politics.
  
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  February 23, 2017 2:40pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    I have zero tolerance to paedophiles or there apologists – how about you?
    
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    February 23, 2017 3:14pm
    - Happychappy
      
      I have zero tolerance for all sex offenders even those that frequent public toilets. and lets be straight I am not a apologist for them but you pick up every sex story and run with it even if it has not happened in NZ. people get there kick in different ways.
      
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      February 23, 2017 4:29pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        There were two issues there as Jack noticed.
        
        If it is okay with you I will highlight another issue related to deviants. It is also about Trump. A lot of political issues relate to sex.
        
        Trump lifts Obama-era transgender protections
        
        https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/02/22/trump-administration-poised-change-transgender-student-bathroom-guidelines/neDCDBTptS21qigfc3GkUP/story.html
        
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        February 23, 2017 4:43pm
- cmm
  
  So if we’re going to apply cultural flavouring to the law, does that mean a Maori rapist should face the sort of sentence handed down by Maori justice of them old pre-pakeha days?
  
  utu maybe?
  
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  February 23, 2017 3:26pm
  - fernglas
    
    You foolish person, cmm. Pre-pakeha there was no rape, domestic violence or child abuse. Since us honkies introduced Maori to these things, I guess the responsibility falls to us to fix them.
    
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    February 23, 2017 7:11pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      There are a few racist Maori who think like that and some of them are members of National’s coalition partner.
      
      There are also many anti-Maori racist on the blog. One example is the snide comments about a highly talented Maori being selected as New Zealander of the years.
      
      Taika Waititi’s talents are recolonized overseas as well as in NZ. This should be something to celebrate.
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:05pm
gump

It looks like the Great Barrier Reef in Australia is becoming well and truly fucked due to rising sea temperatures.

I wonder how much more damage will need to be inflicted before people realise climate change has real world consequences.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2122016-worst-ever-coral-bleaching-event-continues-into-fourth-year/
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February 23, 2017 1:32pm
- All_on_Red
  
  No one denies this is an issue but as usual the Alarmists go too far.
  June 3 2016
  ‘There is growing scientific conflict over bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef. Activist scientists and lobby groups have distorted surveys, maps and data to misrepresent the extent and impact of coral bleaching on the Great Barrier Reef, according to the chairman of the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority, Russell Reichelt.
  A full survey of the reef released yesterday by the authority and the Australian Institute of Marine Science said 75 per cent of the reef would escape unscathed.
  Dr Reichelt said the vast bulk of bleaching damage was confined to the far northern section off Cape York, which had the best prospect of recovery due to the lack of onshore development and high water quality.’
  ‘The political debate and the release of the authority’s survey results highlights a growing conflict between the lead Barrier Reef agency and the National Coral Bleaching Taskforce headed by Terry Hughes.
  Dr Reichelt said the authority had withdrawn from a joint announcement on coral bleaching with Professor Hughes this week “because we didn’t think it told the whole story”. The taskforce said mass bleaching had killed 35 per cent of corals on the northern and central Great Barrier Reef.
  Dr Reichelt said maps accompanying the research had been misleading, exaggerating the impact. “I don’t know whether it was a deliberate sleight of hand or lack of geographic knowledge but it certainly suits the purpose of the people who sent it out,” he said.
  “This is a frightening enough story with the facts, you don’t need to dress them up. We don’t want to be seen as saying there is no problem out there but we do want people to understand there is a lot of the reef that is unscathed.”
  Dr Reichelt said there had been widespread misinterpretation of how much of the reef had died.
  “We’ve seen headlines stating that 93 per cent of the reef is practically dead,” he said.
  “We’ve also seen reports that 35 per cent, or even 50 per cent, of the entire reef is now gone.
  “However, based on our combined results so far, the overall mortality rate is 22 per cent — and about 85 per cent of that die-off has occurred in the far north between the tip of Cape York and just north of Lizard Island, 250km north of Cairns. Seventy-five per cent of the reef will come out in a few months time as recovered.”
  
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  February 23, 2017 1:49pm
  - gump
    
    So there is an overall mortality rate of 22% as of last year, and we are now going into another year of warming oceanic waters?
    
    How is that possibly going to make an already terrible situation anything other than worse?
    
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    February 23, 2017 3:01pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘we are now going into another year of warming oceanic waters?’
      Hmm, no link I see but that aside, not a lot of bright red on this data from BOM
      http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDYOC059.shtml
      El Niño has released a lot of the heat.
      
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      February 23, 2017 3:32pm
Jack5

Ah, the dividends of diversity, the benefits of multiculturism.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11806077
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February 23, 2017 1:44pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 , ah it is though Mr Asia ( Marty Johnstone ) and Terrence Clark provides us with the fruits of mono culturalism,
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marty_Johnstone
  
  Correct ?
  
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  February 23, 2017 3:10pm
Manolo

All in plain sight:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/emerging-details-point-to-north-korean-plot-in-scions-killing-1487787023?mod=e2tw

Such emerging details are feeding suspicions that the killing last week of Kim Jong Nam , half-brother of North Korea’s mercurial dictator, was a well-orchestrated plot directed from Pyongyang.

An official at the North Korean Embassy here and an employee of the country’s state-owned airline were identified by police on Wednesday as among the seven suspects still at large.
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February 23, 2017 1:47pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, curious to know why you think Kim Jon Un was so enamoured of your Messiah Donald ?
  
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  February 23, 2017 2:12pm
  - Inandout
    
    Can’t help it can you?
    
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    February 23, 2017 2:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , you don’t think Trump’strange and oddball support base is worthy of considered reflection even if happens to be a Communist Dictator ?
      
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      February 23, 2017 3:06pm
      - Inandout
        
        He is not a career politician which is a refreshing change. He is not accustomed to layers of bureaucracy, he is used to making things happen with a couple of decisions. But obviously you, unlike many of us on here, have not experienced being self employed.
        
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        February 23, 2017 3:30pm
      - stephieboy
        
        But the Communist Dictator seems to admire him .
        
        Why ?
        
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        February 23, 2017 3:41pm
      - rangitoto
        
        “even if happens to be a Communist Dictator ?”
        
        Source?
        
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        February 23, 2017 4:28pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    David Duke recently gave his seal of approval to Hillary Clinton stephie.
    
    I guess that makes her a far right White Nationalist?
    
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    February 23, 2017 3:46pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      It seems that since November 8, these General Debates have become stephie’s wailing wall. Each to his own emotional crutch, I suppose.
      
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      February 23, 2017 4:30pm
  - Manolo
    
    What’s wrong with you, dear stephieboy?
    
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    February 23, 2017 5:15pm
starboard

We must all embrace maori culture. Its magnificent.
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/18-year-sentence-for-16-years-of-abuse/ar-AAneHW2?li=BBqdg4K&ocid

Nah thanks. Violent, disgusting , nothing short of barbaric stone age filth. I’ll give it a miss.
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February 23, 2017 4:22pm
- sam green
  
  Would you rather embrace Austrian culture? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/mar/19/josef-fritzl-austria
  
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  February 23, 2017 5:29pm
  - starboard
    
    What a stupid question.
    
    You stupid boy.
    
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    February 23, 2017 5:34pm
    - sam green
      
      The point of it starboard is that nasty abusive relationships happen across the board.
      
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      February 23, 2017 7:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        You of course know, Sam, that this type of argument could be used to defend or minimise something as repugnant as the Nazi genocide of Jews and Gypsies?
        
        Some Samuel von Grün might say: “These types of genocide happen across the board. England expelled the Jews for centuries. The Tsars encouraged pogroms”.
        
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        February 23, 2017 8:14pm
      - sam green
        
        No TiakiRima. Not my point and you know it. I’m not justifying anything. Both cases are repugnant to me. My point is – don’t ascribe common practice on individual cases as in – all Maori do this and all Austrians do that. Or – all gays who adopt are doing it to pimp out the child. (See below).
        
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        February 23, 2017 9:26pm
kowtow

Not sure about Bill’s political instincts. Is he too close to Nick ?
He’s pissing off his base the farmers (who are productive) with this water nonsense ,while he won’t take any votes off the Greens( who are far from productive).

Doesn’t make a lot of sense to me.
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February 23, 2017 4:32pm
Manolo

Is the uber liberal losing her marbles due to advance age?
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/pelosi-breakdown-repeats-words-tells-audience-clap-kasich-gov-illinois/
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February 23, 2017 5:13pm
- sam green
  
  Bullshit Manolo – that’s the same kind of sleazy innuendo chucked around during the American elections – from a variety of sources. It’s shit and you know it. Can’t you have a better class of debate?
  
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  February 23, 2017 5:36pm
  - Manolo
    
    The question deserves to be asked, since Mrs Pelosi has forgotten a few names, been wrong and equivocated on places and people a few times of late.
    
    Or it could be a slip of the tongue. Time will tell.
    
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    February 23, 2017 6:24pm
Longknives

Funny how nobody in the Media remembers that these two disgusting creeps were the subject of several Australian documentaries/magazines etc and considered the ‘Poster Boys’ for Gay Adoption..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11806306
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February 23, 2017 6:41pm
- krazykiwi
  
  I feel sick
  
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  February 23, 2017 7:12pm
- sam green
  
  What’s your point Longknives?
  
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  February 23, 2017 7:51pm
  - starboard
    
    umm, you cant see the wood for the trees probably.
    
    You stupid boy.
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:26pm
  - Longknives
    
    My point Sam was that those disgusting perverts adopted a child so they could ‘pimp him’ to Paedophiles around the globe for monetary gain.
    And that they were (for a while) the ‘Poster Boys’ for Gay Adoption..
    Kinda works against your narrative doesn’t it? (which is why the Media try to ignore them now..)
    
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    February 23, 2017 8:58pm
    - sam green
      
      What’s “your narrative”? Those fuckers deserve the worst. Your point?
      
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      February 23, 2017 9:22pm
      - starboard
        
        Fuck you’re thick. ” Write slower LK..the stupid boy is failing to keep up”…
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:09pm
      - sam green
        
        You’re such a charmer starboard.
        
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        February 23, 2017 11:15pm
      - sam green
        
        Starboard – you got called. Suck it up. I’m sure you’ve learned how to do that in Thailand.
        
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        February 23, 2017 11:17pm
nasska

I watched a documentary on marijuana.

It was very enjoyable. I think all documentaries should be watched this way.
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February 23, 2017 8:26pm
- Jack5
  
  So that’s what they mean when someone calls a critic’s write-up a “puff piece”?
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:24pm
Jack5

Interesting Kathryn Ryan interview with an autistic expert – himself autistic – today.

Quite a few of the posters on Kiwiblog are likely on the autistic spectrum, and might find find it worthwhile (it’s about 30 minutes). If not, they will doubtless know someone who is on spectrum.

Some autistic people have amazing skills and knowledge.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/audio/player?audio_id=201834326
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February 23, 2017 8:50pm
- Fletch
  
  The artistic spectrum? 😉
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXCvXZnW6LM
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:54pm
reid3

Jack, on autism, just after Trump was elected, I posted links that outlined how Mitt Romney had donated several million to Rosie O’Donnell and the production company which used to produce her show and which several weeks later released a professional video outlining how Trump’s son had autism, which O’Donnell responded to by tweeting within hours of its release on YouTube to her several million idiot followers, and which resulted in Mrs Trump threatening to sue her arse off unless she apologised, which she did.

Trump also appointed Robert Kennedy Junior’s son to a very critical role in the CDC. RFK Jnr also has a son with autism, which he says developed right after he had received the usual standard and massive dose of vaccines they give to kids, these days.

Trump has said several times he doesn’t understand how vaccines loaded with horse-level doses of mercury can possibly be given to young children, and which has the potential to turn a normal child into one with autism.

Imagine if the POTUS had a son with autism from vaccines.

Imagine what the liability of drug companies would be if the POTUS used Federal Resources to reveal the science that had told the drug companies this was an issue, and the drug companies still went ahead and released the vaccines anyway.

Imagine the fallout amongst all the people in the political and regulatory agencies who knew about this and said nothing and the politicians who let it happen, because the drug companies gave them donations so they could get re-elected.

Imagine all of that.

Watch this space, and watch RFK Jnr, and don’t expect of course the MSM to feature any of his goings on, because they’re bastards like that, as everyone with a 3-digit now knows for a fact, don’t you.

BTW, when you were young, ever heard of autism? How come it’s so prevalent now? Is it just cos we’re so much more aware of something that’s always been so prevalent in the population? Of course it is.
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February 23, 2017 9:13pm
- Jack5
  
  Reid, I’m no expert, but some people think a number of famous people in history may have been on the autistic spectrum – Einstein? Mozart? Darwin?
  
  http://autismmythbusters.com/general-public/famous-autistic-people/
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:21pm
  - reid3
    
    Who knows Jack. Even if they were, that doesn’t change anything at all I just said, does it.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:32pm
  - reid3
    
    Why don’t you google what I just said and see what you find. The only thing you’ll have problems finding is the Romney connection and who cares about that. That was just naming one of the lesser known anti-Trump players directed to those who know what’s going on, and I can count those on this blog who know that on one hand. The rest is easily googlable, so stick to that, I recommend.
    
    If it’s the case it’ll play out, if it’s not it won’t. I don’t much care either way, but people who have kids with autism sure as hell will.
    
    And before people who think the medical profession is sacred and would never do anything like that think this is irresponsible and just raising hysteria: Thalidomide. Lung cancer through smoking.
    
    If you’re a parent with such a child, google RFK Junior, and read his material.
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:38pm
- EAD
  
  Welcome back Reid (the latest incarnation thereof) – it’s good to have you back blogging.
  
  Having a few weeks off it is probably a good thing as you’ll come back fresh and ready to demolish the web of deceit and layers of fog that stop people seeing what is going on in the world.
  
  Taking time to smell the roses also makes one realise why we do what we do.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:39pm
  - reid3
    
    Thanks EAD, and ABS who said similar last night. There’s been some interesting developments while I’ve been away, all of which have slipped under the radar.
    
    Deep State’s in full noise, aren’t they.
    
    You know why Flynn resigned? Or any thoughts on it?
    
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    February 23, 2017 9:50pm
    - EAD
      
      They’re really ramping it up now aren’t they? It’s hard to keep tabs with everything that is going on.
      
      Remember point 2 of the Frankfurt School Plan (the one that is rarely discussed even by those of us who are more alert)?
      
      “Continual change to create confusion”
      
      No idea on Flynn – perhaps he was a leaker and he was pushed? That is pure conjecture as I tend to not get too involved in the minutiae of individuals of who they are and what they are and and keep my focus on the big picture, especially tearing the MSM and their lies to shreds.
      
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      February 23, 2017 10:09pm
      - reid3
        
        Two possibles on Flynn. Forget the sheeple version. It’s relevant because the Deep State vs Trump is the key to what’s going to happen next. And that is the big picture, nothing bigger.
        
        1) It was a canary trap.
        2) Flynn approved the investigation of one of Pence’s closest friends for pedophilia arising from the pedogate materials. Which is still ongoing and snaring heaps. That’s what Flynn didn’t tell him.
        
        Who knows which is true, maybe neither. The only thing we know for sure is we can rule out the sheeple version, that’s for fools and idiots who know nothing and never, ever will, based on their insouciance to date.
        
        At this moment I’m going for the canary trap, which is an intelligence ploy where you hand out numbered copies and see which one turns up in the media or wherever.
        
        I note that both Trump and Flynn in their respective pressers were both emphasising the leakers were the issue.
        
        A Priebus staffer has been named as a principal leaker to the NYT. Whether she leaked that who knows.
        
        Both Preibus and Pence are plants, always have been.
        
        Trump now appears isolated and they’re going after Bannon. With Flynn’s resignation the Deep State appear to think they’re winning. I’m hoping this is just a ploy to lure them into the open.
        
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        February 23, 2017 10:42pm
nasska

….”There’s been some interesting developments while I’ve been away”….

You didn’t break under torture or interrogation I hope Reid.

Waterboarding is a bugger. 🙂
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February 23, 2017 9:56pm
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  No I enjoyed it nasska. There was some idiot doing it they kept calling a “stupid boy,” who couldn’t quite get it right. Since the cell was a tin shack somewhere in the desert road, I used to look forward to it, it was quite refreshing. Can’t understand what the fuss is all about.
  
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  February 23, 2017 9:59pm
Nostradamus

Reid4:

Could you please ask DPF to reactivate your “Reid” account (I gather he deactivates it when someone is serving a ban).

I’d hate to think that someone will look at your comment tally as Reid3 (15 comments) and casually dismiss you as a Kiwiblog virgin!

Your 20,168 comments (as Reid) could make all the difference in a “my comment is better than yours” lovers’ tiff!
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February 23, 2017 10:50pm
Left Right and Centre

Welcome, have a seat . . .
This post was filmed in front of a GD reading audience . . .
hmm – I hate my own long echo chamber posts. And yet I keep typing them.
Please verify you are not a robot – just to e mail someone – kill me now with all this life-sucking BS.

(1) Greg Boyed – don’t watch it’s all shit I know. ‘consoomer’. Really mate ? Classy.

(2) I was thinking – the most interesting thing now about Super Rugby is that it’s still going – hmmm – well done.

(3) Why have a I got two forks with a caramel on each ? Ok – I’ll just put them both on one fork like a caramel sofa. Me and two caramels in the mouth at once – nearest thing to a threesome round here. I’m so turned on.

(4) Why are taxpayers funding radio stations with NZTA daily roadworks updates ? Other people’s money – yeah, every ad break – cha-ching. The benefit is way below the cost surely ?

(5) More people I hate – lip-smacking talkers. Do you know the ones ? They ‘tsk’ when trying to remember something. 90% likely a woman. You know why they do it ? I’ll tell you why – because their farking *mouth* is running ten times faster than their farking *pea brain* on auto shithead and the brain can’t keep up. So while the brain struggles out of breath to keep up – they do the blank-faced lip smack tsk. These mostly women are morons who simply don’t care how unpleasant that is for anyone else to listen to as they tell themselves off for their own lack of mental acuity.

(5) (a) It’s worse when men do it for the same reason that it’s worse when a man with long hair talks while brushing half of it off his face alternately and effeminately with either hand. Tsking lip smackers are usually in full hyperdrive clucking hen full flow blowhard mode – going through the motions of speech with little to no electro-chemical activity fueling their words – if a truck crushed them mid-babble, they’d keep blabbing like a headless chook running around.

As I say – I read GD – I like the posts about Africa. As a child of the 80s I was fed all of that crap about Ethiopia etc Irish fella in EAD comment above nailed it 100% – well done that man.
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