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Andrei

Start the day with prayer
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February 20, 2017 8:07am
- virtualmark
  
  Pray for Sweden.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:10am
  - big bruv
    
    Sweden is fucked. It will go down in History as the best example of what happens when you let liberal left wing fuckwits take over your country.
    
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    February 20, 2017 8:27am
    - dime
      
      well, the USSR was probably worse but yeah, they will be in text books for centuries.
      
      “excuse me teacher, how the fuck could they be that stupid??”
      
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      February 20, 2017 9:03am
      - cmm
        
        To which the unionised teacher will say:
        
        “Well they just didn’t do socialism/communism right. They failed socialism/communism. Our leaders are not so stupid. They will do it properly.”
        
        And the next generation will ask their teachers the same question, and get the same answer.
        
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        February 20, 2017 9:52am
- big bruv
  
  Why start the day with a massive waste of time and energy?
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:27am
- Scorpion
  
  Best Morning Prayer
  
  Saint Patricks BreastPlate
  
  His Cross is on the New Zealand Flag
  
  I arise today
  Through a mighty strength, the invocation of the Trinity,
  Through belief in the Threeness,
  Through confession of the Oneness
  of the Creator of creation.
  
  I arise today
  Through the strength of Christ’s birth with His baptism,
  Through the strength of His crucifixion with His burial,
  Through the strength of His resurrection with His ascension,
  Through the strength of His descent for the judgment of doom.
  
  I arise today
  Through the strength of the love of cherubim,
  In the obedience of angels,
  In the service of archangels,
  In the hope of resurrection to meet with reward,
  In the prayers of patriarchs,
  In the predictions of prophets,
  In the preaching of apostles,
  In the faith of confessors,
  In the innocence of holy virgins,
  In the deeds of righteous men.
  
  I arise today, through
  The strength of heaven,
  The light of the sun,
  The radiance of the moon,
  The splendor of fire,
  The speed of lightning,
  The swiftness of wind,
  The depth of the sea,
  The stability of the earth,
  The firmness of rock.
  
  I arise today, through
  God’s strength to pilot me,
  God’s might to uphold me,
  God’s wisdom to guide me,
  God’s eye to look before me,
  God’s ear to hear me,
  God’s word to speak for me,
  God’s hand to guard me,
  God’s shield to protect me,
  God’s host to save me
  From snares of devils,
  From temptation of vices,
  From everyone who shall wish me ill,
  afar and near.
  
  I summon today
  All these powers between me and those evils,
  Against every cruel and merciless power
  that may oppose my body and soul,
  Against incantations of false prophets,
  Against black laws of pagandom,
  Against false laws of heretics,
  Against craft of idolatry,
  Against spells of witches and smiths and wizards,
  Against every knowledge that corrupts man’s body and soul;
  Christ to shield me today
  Against poison, against burning,
  Against drowning, against wounding,
  So that there may come to me an abundance of reward.
  
  Christ with me,
  Christ before me,
  Christ behind me,
  Christ in me,
  Christ beneath me,
  Christ above me,
  Christ on my right,
  Christ on my left,
  Christ when I lie down,
  Christ when I sit down,
  Christ when I arise,
  Christ in the heart of every man who thinks of me,
  Christ in the mouth of everyone who speaks of me,
  Christ in every eye that sees me,
  Christ in every ear that hears me.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:44am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Good grief!
    
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    February 20, 2017 8:54am
  - SGA
    
    Against spells of witches and smiths and wizards,
    
    Sad to see the omission of zombies, vampires, werewolves, wraiths, and demons (especially succubi).
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:17am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Sounds like someone has played a bit of D&D in their youth.
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:20am
      - SGA
        
        lol – no, ABS, never did. Lack of opportunity rather than lack of interest though.
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:27am
      - Kimbo
        
        Noooo! I had you pegged as one of the cool guys, SGA. Not some sad anorak-wearing wannabe who never got the chance.
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:31am
    - Dave Mann
      
      That’s not correct. The original version distinctly says “Against spells of orange clowns and wizards from the East”
      
      Get it right please.
      
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      February 20, 2017 11:33am
  - ross411
    
    Christ almighty, what an ear (or rather in this case, eye) beating…
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:41am
    - Viking2
      
      What a waste of electrons.
      
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      February 20, 2017 8:34pm
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Put your prayer in one hand and your arse in the other, tell us which one fills up first.
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:28am
oldpark

Heard Angry Andrew Little from the joined at the hip “green/lieboor” tax anything that moves Parties. Asked about his now official 7% rating as a leader,and Ms Ardern being officially on 4%, he said there was a lot of depth in his wee party of also rans, When talking about depth,did he mean Dumbos ,Dickheads, or Deplorables.
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February 20, 2017 8:08am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  D: Dunces
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:22am
- Gabby
  
  He meant oldfarts. We’re up to our hips in oldfarts and Labour have the worn-out ones.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:32am
  - pdm
    
    Oooooh Gabby – having a change of allegiance are we?
    
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    February 20, 2017 8:38am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Unlikely; when Gabby talks of farts and almost makes a lucid comment / sentence, it is likely he is sniffing one of his own.
      
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      February 20, 2017 8:58am
Paulus

I see the so called media holds Jerry Brownlee responsible for the fires in Christchurch and the stuff ups perpetrated by the Christchurch Professional Firefighters and Lianne Dalziell – neither of whom did not want to know as it was not Christchurch City but Rural.
Shortly we will hear that Jerry Brownlee is responsible for those under insured – we know that one house had no insurance.
Similarly it is his responsibility that Kaikoura is similar either not insured (which means no EQC) or underinsured.
Or of course in was all John Key’s fault ……….oh he has gone, so it must be whoever took over from him.
Personal responsibility is not paramount though.
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February 20, 2017 8:14am
- pdm
  
  Paulus John Key is in enough trouble this past weekend already.
  
  What did he think he was doing paying his own fare to Perth to play in a golf tournament and having the audacity to wear a sponsor provided shirt and cap.
  
  Does that man have no sense of shame – lol.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:42am
  - macdee
    
    Mark Reason: John Key goes from PM to shameless salesman in record time – load of crap from Mark Reason in SST, massive KDS, they still don’t get it
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:37am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      To be fair, I think that is one of the worst pieces of one sided attack journalism I have ever had the misfortune to read. Quite how an editor signed off on that piece of shit eludes me.
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:31am
      - holysheet
        
        What editor? They are all in the socialist mire together. It’s all clappy happy, feel good at their meetings. Nobody has any more say than anyone else. It’s the true socialists nirvana in that camp.
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:58am
- waikatogirl
  
  Apparently Gerry has vetoed the agreement between the church and the restore the Christchurch cathedral lot.
  
  Unfortunately, the ‘news’ item only informed us of Gerry’s veto, but no actual information on the content of the agreement that he vetoed!
  
  What else will Gerry be blamed for before the election?
  
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  February 20, 2017 11:42am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Is it too late to blame him for the Kaikoura earthquake?
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:07pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      No, go for it!
      
      With JK out of the way, Bill English (purportedly) too dull, anyone is up for the title National Party scapegoat; I am surprised myself that Joyce has not had a bigger bashing giving his adeptness at heading off random dildo attacks.
      
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      February 20, 2017 1:42pm
EAD

Here’s one of todays anti-Trump article from New Zealand’s Lugenpresse as they “mock” him because there weren’t in fact any terror attacks in Sweden last night after he said this:

“You look at what’s happening,” he told his supporters. “We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/89580619/sweden-mocks-us-president-donald-trump-over-his-false-claim-about-attack

So, for a start Trump didn’t actually say there were any terror attacks last night. But we do know something awful did happen in Sweden last night, and the night before that and the night before that. There are at least 7,000 rapes a year in Sweden. which is about 20 a day meaning that someone got raped in Sweden last night. And that is certainly awful.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/sweden-and-denmark-have-highest-number-of-sexual-assaults-in-europe-a6800901.html

We only hear about a small number of these events, but there are a few recent high-profile ones that the even the cops couldn’t cover after the uproar they caused (although the MSM did warn these shouldn’t give ammunition to so called “far-right” groups). Crimes such as these:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3831991/Wheelchair-bound-woman-gang-raped-six-migrants-Swedish-asylum-centre-asking-use-toilet.html

So again the MSM is caught lying and obfuscating and again Trump wins as he draws attention to just how much of a mess Sweden really is.
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February 20, 2017 8:14am
- EAD
  
  Paul Joseph Watson sums it up even better:
  
  https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/833323027983114240
  
  The truth is that there are so many “incidents” in Swedish cities every day thanks to mass uncontrolled immigration that it is now commonplace to hear explosions when you’re walking down a street in Malmo…….
  
  Many migrant suburbs are now no-go areas for police, fire fighters and ambulance workers because they are routinely attacked for trying to do their job.
  
  Police are being ordered to implement Code 291 rules to hide “all information” about immigration related crime.
  
  So while you’re laughing at Trump for his non-specificity about an “incident” in Sweden – bear in mind that these “incidents” are now so commonplace as to be part of daily life for Swedes living in major cities
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:26am
- Lance
  
  Yes EAD we know
  Trump says nothing but the truth and the MSM says nothing but lies
  About time to stick them all in jail, no charges, no trial, just lots of torture.
  Only Trump approved media should be allowed to report
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:28am
  - Simon
    
    Lance you are describing what is happening in Sweden. Sad!
    
    Earlier this week we wrote about the veteran Swedish police officer who, despite acknowledging that his actions might result in a pay cut, demotion and/or termination, posted an epic rant to Facebook about migrant crime in his country.
    
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-08/swedish-cop-who-spoke-out-about-immigrant-crime-now-being-investigated-hate-speech
    
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    February 20, 2017 8:47am
    - Lance
      
      @Simon
      That may be so.
      But the topic is Trumps continuing disconnect from the truth, or at the very least ill considered words.
      
      Just for the record (again) I am not opposed to much of the policies Trump is implementing. I am horrified at the Muslim crime wave and violent agenda.
      But the way it is being put into practice and the pathetic childish attacks on the MSM are giving me the shits.
      If you are going to nail the MSM to the wall for distorted or non-factual reporting then fine, point this out case by case. Build a case that shows many are just making shit up. This aspect of the MSM annoys the hell out of me.
      But Trump is leading with glaring errors himself and making grossly ridiculous sweeping statements about ALL MSM tell lies ALL the time.
      This is crap and history shows us this is how some very bad people have bought in some very bad governments.
      The ends do NOT justify the means
      
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      February 20, 2017 9:01am
      - kowtow
        
        Lance
        
        Here’s a little example from the Guardian.
        
        While the author is not outright lying the way the paragraph is sited is to give the impression that Wanaka is a ghost town of millionaire empty houses. We know the vast majority of those empty houses are owned by ordinary NZers.
        
        “These multimillion-dollar homes are reliably kept in immaculate condition – with tightly clipped green lawns and filtered duck ponds. But month after month, sometimes year after year, many of the windows stay shuttered against the mountain views, and the doors tightly bolted.
        
        According to the 2013 census, more than half of Wanaka’s 2,781 homes are unoccupied.
        
        “We’ve got quite a lot of billionaires in the district,” says Queenstown Lakes mayor Jim Boult, whose region is home to just 1% of New Zealand’s 4.5 million population.’
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/17/billionaires-bolthole-new-zealand-preppers-paradise
        
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        February 20, 2017 9:21am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Kowtow, they probably don’t know that a great many of these are in fact rented out during the tourist season (there are two, ski season and summer holidays) so don’t sit unoccupied ALL year.
        
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        February 20, 2017 9:33am
      - kowtow
        
        Another case is the emerging trend of anti Trump themed refugee strories fleeing the US to Canada because of Trumps so called anti Muslim rhetoric.
        
        Fact. They were already fleeing seeking a better deal in Canada because they were going to get the arse anyway and the policy is not Trumps but Obamas.
        However the media didn’t start hyping this until recently.
        
        http://www.euronews.com/2017/02/16/record-numbers-of-refugees-flee-to-canada-from-the-united-states
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:03am
  - itstricky
    
    Sounds like EAD should be his media agent. Seems quite apt at making up stuff to fill the gaps in Trump’s off the cuffs.
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:56am
- oldpark
  
  To get some balance in our daily “Main scheming Media” ,with their “fake news” on USA affairs. Check out “Drudge Report”, and “Real Clear Politics”, they cover at least 50 daily news outlets,in USA .at least some balance will be in order,as up to now NZs completely “fake news” industry ,sets out daily to mislead the public to the point of despair,with their pathetic so called “news reports.”
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:29am
  - stephieboy
    
    “Drudge Report” and “Real Clear Politics ‘ are all part of Trump’s new” information” and ” fact “apparatus, the Ministry of Truth
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:58am
- Berend de Boer
  
  Yeah, it’s deranged EAD. Let me ask journos: if you really tried, could you convince the public any better you’re making it all up?
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:53am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Trump may have had a point but chose to make it in the worst possible way.
  
  By stating ‘last night’, he has missed the point. If he had engaged in less rabble rousing and more exposition, his point may well not have been lost by his clumsy misstatement.
  
  I have said in the past that the world needs a champion against the sort of PC nonsense that hides reality in many circles, but that champion cannot be someone like Trump, who, quite simply, is not equipped to do the job. He is the sort of blundering idiot who is to the right, what Jeremy Corbyn is to the left.
  
  We need an anti PC Champion who will openly and honestly debate the issues in a way that will stymie the PC nutters, and force them to listen to logic and engage with facts, instead of shouting down debate and retreating to a safe space. Trump is not that person.
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:25am
  - Dave Mann
    
    My thoughts exactly slightlyrighty. We’ll said.
    
    I have a problem. I think Muslims represent a threat to civilisation and that ‘climate change’ is a ridiculous fallacy. I’m aware that many meaningful jobs and industries both in NZ as well as America have been exported to Asia and that selling off infrastructure and real estate to fuel ever-increasing welfare is a short term and ultimately destructive solution. Socialism has never been the answer and furthermore political correctness has destroyed our ability to think for ourselves.
    
    Its a mess, frankly….. but even more horrifying is the fact that the most powerful champion for ‘sanity’ comes in the form of a semi-articulate narcissistic orange clown who is a compulsive liar and a con man from a reality TV show. If it wasn’t so potentially catastrophic, the rise of Donald Trump would be a hilarious comedy. But it’s not reality TV; this is reality full stop.
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    slightyrighty , anti PC champions to abuse the disabled , the religiously and racially different with impunity ?
    
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    February 20, 2017 10:00am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Why have you missed out the “politically different”? Oh, that’s right it would make you a massive fucking hypocrite. Not that I think that you would care.
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:23am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Stephieboy, you have, most ably, illustrated my point.
      
      We need to live in an inclusive society, where all people practice civility to all others. I want to live in a society where Muslims are accepted but where they also understand that the Muslim World is not the whole world.
      
      There are those within Islam who are happy to live in a secular society while practicing their beliefs. I have had Muslim friends, and I have visited mosques. They don’t eat pork or drink alcohol, yet I have Beer and bacon. We accept that we have differences, and we respect them.
      
      There are those within Islam who would throw my Gay friends from the tallest building.
      
      There are some liberals who would let all Muslims in.
      
      There are some on the right who would keep all Muslims out.
      
      The answer lies somewhere in the middle.
      
      Trump, is no anti PC champion. In the same way that he is providing recruitment fodder for the next generation of Muslim Insurgents (who will kill more muslims than any other sect), he is also the living embodiment of why Political Correctness was created in the first place.
      
      It is said that when the political pendulum swings, it often swings too far. Trump is an Arsehole. There is no way of sugarcoating the fact that he is a bigoted carrot coloured moron, and those of us who are center-right have to recognize that we may not have done enough to keep him in check.
      
      Those who are Center-Left liberal also have to recognize that the migrant situation from the Middle East into Western Europe has been very badly mishandled.
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:55am
      - holysheet
        
        What a load of shit.
        If Trump was an arsehole as you suggest, you are sadly deluded. Why do you think he was elected? Are you saying all those who voted for him wanted an arsehole for their president?
        You pretend not to like anything PC, and yet your whole comment above drips of PCness. Wanting an inclusive society reeks of hypocricy. It will never happen while these raghead followers of the religion of peace follow the beliefs of their paedophile leader, and try and kill as many of us nonbelievers as possible.
        
        Woopy bloody do that you have had muslim friends.
        I notice you say “Have Had”. Does this mean they are friends no more? Or more likely they saw through your drippy fawning lapdog demeanor and told you to fuck off. I am saying the same.
        
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        February 20, 2017 11:13am
      - Scott
        
        Slightly righty – Well I would have to disagree with you on both points. You might want to live in an inclusive society where Muslims are fully accepted but that will only happen when that society fully accepts Islam and everybody becomes Muslim. Your Muslim friends that are happy to socialise with secular you, are not in fact good Muslims. And any good Muslim will be sure to tell them the error of their ways. As far as they are concerned you are an infidel and for many of them you need to convert to Islam or pay dhimmi tax or else be executed.
        
        Regarding Trump please don’t consider this blog an invitation to vent. I am tired of liberals venting their feelings and calling Trump all these horrible names while accusing him of incivility.
        
        The real oil is that Trump is a genius, he is the only politician in the whole of America that grasped the truth about immigration. He is the only politician that has the courage to take on the corrupt mainstream media. And he is getting things done and he will get things done.
        
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        February 20, 2017 11:24am
      - Dave Mann
        
        holysheet, Trump was elected because a huge proportion of the US electorate was heartily fed up with the same old crap from the same tired political establishment and they could see that nothing would change unless they went for someone new. Frankly I don’t blame them for their sentiments.
        
        HOWEVER… the fact still remains that the man they elected IS an arsehole as well as a semi-literate maniac with a borderline psychotic disorder who is a compulsive liar and an impulsive motormouth.
        
        You do a disservice to your own argument to insult slightlyrighty by calling him (women aren’t usually slight or right hahaha) ‘dripping of PCness’ and hypocritical. Don’t be so abusive.
        
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        February 20, 2017 11:46am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Holysheet
        
        My Muslim Friends I made during my education, and during the time I carried out volunteer work in Africa.
        
        Being a Muslim is no impediment to being my friend. Being Disabled is no impediment to being my friend. Being a different race is no impediment to being my friend. Being Gay, lesbian, male, female…..same thing.
        
        Being an Arsehole…..well, that’s a gamechanger. If you are a muslim living in the west who thinks it’s ok to rape, well, you’re an arsehole and can fuck off now.
        
        If you believe that pedophilia is ok if it’s sanctioned by your religion, then you’re an arsehole and you can fuck off, and that includes certain muslims as well as Christian clergy.
        
        If you are a Muslim and want to introduce Sharia Law into the country that accepted you when that is the sort of law you fled, then you are an arsehole and can fuck off.
        
        If you are a muslim who has come to this country to experience a life free from the sort of religious based dogmatic existence that has turned parts of the world backwards, and you truly wish to become a part of this community, you’re welcome. But here’s the deal, I won’t make you eat pork and drink beer, but you have to accept that this world is different, and YOU have to make the change, and if you don’t like it, then you fail the arsehole test.
        
        The test we should make is what I call the Bottle of Wine test. If you were to be invited to a Muslim house to share a meal, don’t be an arsehole and bring a bottle of wine.
        
        If you invite a muslim to your house for a meal, and don’t serve acceptable food, you’re an arsehole, but if you serve acceptable food and wish to have a bottle of wine in your own home, and your Muslim guest complains, then he’s the arsehole.
        
        Now I think that Trump is an arsehole, and a conman. I don’t think that all who voted for him necessarily wanted an arsehole for POTUS, and there was an element of Anyone But Clinton (Who I thought was a terrible candidate) and I’m sure that there are many who held their noses when they voted for him. He got across the line, but my first point is that there has to be a better way of instituting his agenda without being so much of a dickhead.
        
        Liberals who look the other way while atrocities are being committed by the very people they let in, they are just as much of the problem. Liberals who try to silence those who would bring up the issue in a moderate and reasoned way are also part of the problem.
        
        When Liberals do not challenge Muslim Atrocities, then those who commit them are allowed to flourish. When Liberals do not highlight the terrible suffering brought about by First Cousin Marriages in the UK Pakistani community, then those behaviors will not change.
        
        We must address these issues, forcefully but fairly, and fighting this battle on 2 extreme fronts, with (for want of better descriptive terms) the Corbynites on one side and the Trumpists on the other will achieve sweet fuck all except for each side feeding the outrage of the other.
        
        So, Holysheet, before you revert to type and accuse me of a “drippy fawning lapdog demeanor” ask yourself if you passed my Arsehole test? Cos I think you’re full of shit.
        
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        February 20, 2017 11:48am
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Scott,
        
        If Trump is a genius, then we only have his word for it.
        
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        February 20, 2017 11:52am
  - Kimbo
    
    Shades of McCarthy in the 1950s – the Cold War was real, as was the treason of the likes of Fuchs, Burgess and McLean and the Rosenbergs…but the junior senator from Wisconsin was the worst possible guy to combat the security threat.
    
    Nontheless, when you say
    
    We need an anti PC Champion who will openly and honestly debate the issues in a way that will stymie the PC nutters, and force them to listen to logic and engage with facts, instead of shouting down debate and retreating to a safe space.
    
    …you are making the false assumption, like a political idiot-savant such as Don Brash, that logic wins political arguments, much less “converts” zealots. Not. Gonna. Happen.
    
    Either they grow out of it courtesy of life experience…or they inhabit the wasteland.
    
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    February 20, 2017 10:04am
    - slightlyrighty
      
      Kimbo.
      
      It’s not like Trump is going to change attitudes with his behavior now, is it?
      
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      February 20, 2017 11:57am
      - Kimbo
        
        No, but then he is not looking to. He’s tribal, just as the “PC Brigade” (i.e., a form of quasi-religious dialectic Marxism and feminism) he opposes is, as also are the likes those who oppose them and defend trump such a Scott (whom I’m beginning to suspect is a troll), and holysheet. So when you criticise Trump, and try to remind others on a site administered by a libertarian that issues of secularism and judging people on the content of their character, not their religion is desireable and necessary civics, you will get that reaction. Hell, on this site we even have a former ~~ACT~~ Sensible Sentencing Trust MP and lawyer trying to convince us we should institute religious tests on migrants. Although, to be fair to David Garrett, he is no Trump supporter.
        
        Back to Trump – is part of the reality TV emotional buy-in and pay-off that worked with the Apprentice and his successful run for the Presidency. His is interactive politics. Trump polarises. That is his strategy. The fact he is an arsehole is irrelevant to his supporters. If they are honest enough to acknowledge it, then they will reply that
        
        1. we support him in spite of being an arsehole, and
        
        2. (to paraphrase Martin Luther) Better to be ruled by a competent arsehole than an incompetent good person.
        
        But what Trump is achieving and will achieve? Will take the next four years to work out. But at least the American constitution is designed to restrict the actions of a bad President (and good ones too!). And for Trump supporters, well, he’s already getting his excuses in early isn’t he? “Crooked media”. “Bad Courts” “So-called judge”. Congress will be on that list some time very soon. And as they have invested emotionally, they will rationalise away any of his failures. As they have with his 90 day Executive Order, despite his campaign promise “there won’t be any problems with the courts”. Sop we get “Obama did the same thing/liberal-Democrat-appointed judges/traitors!”. Yawn…
        
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        February 20, 2017 12:13pm
      - slightlyrighty
        
        Some might describe Trump as a competent arsehole, and I could live with that if that was the case, but I believe that he is an incompetent arsehole, and that’s the problem.
        
        Take his Immigration EO, which was drafted without regard to one simple question, Is this legal?
        
        Take his quip about Sweden, which was so poorly made that his point, which has some validity with regard to unchecked Muslim Immigration, was lost.
        
        Take his press conference, which even Fox News is openly critical of.
        
        Take his disdain of the media, which is picking a fight he doesn’t need.
        
        Take his weekends in Mar-A-Lago, with no consideration of the optics of the act as well as the cost of the acts to the taxpayer.
        
        Take his constant statements about the size of his electoral victory with many statements that have been given with no supporting evidence re voter fraud, or statements countered by simple facts, such as the Electoral College vote claim.
        
        If there was less posturing and more considered governing, then perhaps I could get on board, but as it stands, he lacks the ability and knowledge to put his agenda in place. I feel that history will look at Trump as a failure.
        
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        February 20, 2017 12:43pm
    - waikatogirl
      
      “We need an anti PC Champion who will openly and honestly debate the issues in a way that will stymie the PC nutters, and force them to listen to logic and engage with facts, instead of shouting down debate and retreating to a safe space.”
      
      I am beginning to believe Trump is exactly the right President to fight the lefty PC crap. The lefty zealots need a bizaare foil to unsettle their indelible beliefs and Trump is just the man for the job. He is independently wealthy and has never had to play the same political game as most who win the Presidency. He simply doesn’t care if he upsets the status quo.
      
      You can’t take on the rabid lefty SJW snowflakes with logic and standard debating, they just won’t take your argument as they see YOU ARE JUST PLAIN WRONG in your assertions!!! Trump unsettles the left and puts them on the back foot.
      
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      February 20, 2017 12:22pm
duggledog

If I was Andrew Little I think I’d keep my mouth shut going up to September.

Who wants to be PM when Winston’s sitting on their right shoulder, let alone when the Trumpster’s directives start to bite down hard? Not to mention the forthcoming collapse of the EU?
And the recession that is most certainly coming down the pipe? And having tubby Turei and absurd Morgan and crazy Uncle Hone in the tent?

Not me
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February 20, 2017 8:14am
marquess

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Billions and billions of taxpayer money spent in roads that won’t actually help congestion – and that’s a project where the bcr doesn’t need to be massaged to become 1. But sure, it’s the left that promotes wasteful spending. Pull the other one ?
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February 20, 2017 8:22am
- mandk
  
  I’m sure the electors in Mt Albert would love your counterfactual.
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:11am
Happychappy

I can see the reason that Paul Henry pulled the plug on his career as a TV Host and you only have to look at the people that run TV Three to realize. They have stooge’s like Duncan Garner and Amanda Gillies spewing the left message and you then understand why Paul Henry could no longer host his show, people can criticize his arrogance but they can’t fault view to see both sides of the political agenda.
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February 20, 2017 8:25am
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  No, Dipshit Henry pulled the plug because the crappy chappy thought it was his plonker.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:37am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    . . . . and the results of last nights feast of cabbage and brussel sprouts has worn off and we have gobshite Gabby back in the room, sigh . . .
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:04am
    - GazzaW
      
      Shortly to be joined by the rostered member of the Fraser House stephieboy squad. Where is he/she this morning?
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:37am
  - Lance
    
    I am not even sure the star-ship Enterprises translation matrix could decipher Gabbys words here
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:05am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      You would need a Babel Fish. If it can translate Vogon poetry, it should be able to translate gobshite’s ramblings.
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:25am
Manolo

Scandinavian paradise:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/753169/Sweden-sexual-assault-claims-70-per-cent-rise-survey-women

In 2014, just one per cent of Swedish people said they had been sexually attacked, rising to 1.7 per cent in 2015, which equates to more than 129,000 people.
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February 20, 2017 8:25am
- cmm
  
  Everyone eventually learns from their mistakes, but sometimes too late.
  
  But the wise also learn from the mistakes of others. Until we understand exactly why this nonsense is happening and exactly how to screen these people so the bad ones don’t get through we should not be bringing in any more.
  
  Luckily for us we’re far away. We don’t have to put up costly walls to protect ourselves.
  
  We just have to protect ourselves from the virtue signalers that will do us harm: stephie, Devoid and co.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:36am
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    Luckily for us we’re far away. We don’t have to put up costly walls to protect ourselves.
    
    We just have to protect ourselves from the virtue signalers that will do us harm: stephie, Devoid and co.
    
    And fortunately we don’t many people like Barbara Lerner Spectre (Jewish) working tirelessly to destroy the Swedish People (see below):
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFE0qAiofMQ
    
    Also, as I highlighted back in December, despite being less than 1% of the overall population the Swedish Media is heavily dominated by Jewish interests who are instrumental in brainwashing the Swedish population as well as underreporting crime to ensure the Swedish people doze while their country burns:
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2016/12/general_debate_2_december_2016.html#comment-1829323
    
    It pushes The Agenda of diversity and “welcoming the stranger”, while covering up inconvenient news on migrant crime. It pushes keeping our borders open to the Third World and abolishing what remains of our sovereignty by remaining in the EU against the wishes of most people.
    
    So the question begs itself – who is behind the media?
    
    Take Sweden. As Farage points out, their media is perhaps the most biased and censored of all. Of the seven largest newspapers we find six are either owned by or edited by Jews as well as most published magazines, a host of regional papers and TV channels – not bad for such a small group.
    
    The Jewish Bonnier family are the most influential media group in Sweden and in Finland. They own four of the seven largest daily newspapers: Dagens Nyheter (the Daily News), Expressen (the Express), Sydsvenska Dagbladet (the Southern Swedish Daily News) and Dagens Industri (the Industry of Today).
    
    The Bonnier family also own the TV Station LNK and have virtual control of the largest private TV channels in Sweden TV4 through a direct stake of 21,6% and through their ownership of the Finnish based Alma media company in which they hold 23,4%. TV4 is headed by Jan Scherman who is Jewish.
    
    Beside the Bonnier family in Sweden there is the Jew Peter Hjörne (real name Kaplan), owner and chief editor of Göteborgs-Posten (the Gothenburg Post; GP), the fourth largest newspaper in Sweden with a circulation of 253,700, reaching 600,000 readers daily. GP is furthermore the only newspaper in Sweden’s second largest city, Gothenburg.
    
    Robert Aschberg (Jewish) owns the largest production company in Sweden called Strix Television and produces programs for every major channel, especially TV3.
    
    The largest newspaper in Sweden is Aftonbladet (the Evening Post), jointly owned by the Swedish Labour Union and the Norwegian Schibstedt company. The chief editor, however, is the Jewess Helle Klein, great granddaughter of the former grand rabbi of Stockholm, Rabbi Gottlieb.
    
    In other words, of the seven largest news papers in Sweden, six are either owned by or edited by Jews even though there are fewer than 20,000 Jews in Sweden making up roughly 0.2% of the population.
    
    So on and so forth this concentration of ownership is prevalent across the West telling us to Welcome the Stranger all the while Israel takes none – chutzpah or what!
    
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    February 20, 2017 8:57am
    - Inandout
      
      So… these Jews are happily endorsing the import of people who hate and despise them, plus actively trying to rid Europe of Jews? I think as a race Jews are much smarter than that.
      
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      February 20, 2017 9:13am
      - cmm
        
        No different than the western feminists that support Islam and would be beaten or stoned to death under sharia, or the numerous gays that defend Islam but would decorate lamp posts under sharia.
        
        There has often been a strong link between Jewish intellectuals and communism/socialism:
        * Karl Marx was Jewish.
        * Almost all the intellectuals in the African National Congress were Jewish.
        * Most of the Rosenberg atomic spy ring were Jews.
        
        It is really quite amazing how some people wish death on their own. mamma Merkel is doing it right now too.
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:03am
      - stephieboy
        
        Yes ,EAD the National Socialist loon trying to make sense !
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:04am
    - mandk
      
      This message was brought to you by EAD (Jew hater).
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:57am
G152

I see ‘Muzzie’ McCully’s grease up to the Useless Nations has had an effect on the latest poll.
If you can believe anything from the media it’s probably Keys fault or something
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February 20, 2017 8:25am
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  Nuzinas don’t care about Israel. Munter McMutton knows that. Israel doesn’t export oil also.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:40am
duggledog

Happy Chappy

I can tell you that across TVNZ, TV3, RNZ and Maori TV (all reliant on the tax payer in one form or other, even TV3 with its licence fee extension and NZ on Air projects)

give or take 80 odd % of them would bat for left or extreme left parties.

A genuine centre right administration would have cut the heads off these snakes years ago
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February 20, 2017 8:33am
- Gabby
  
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  They’ve replaced the heads with rightertards, and the buggers still won’t stick to good news about Bingles making Nuzine grade again.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Does anyone know how to translate this crap?
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:17pm
    - Lance
      
      They might just be random words strung together?
      
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      February 20, 2017 1:32pm
- howitis
  
  TV3 /Media jerks had a 43m loan circa 2011 to pay their broadcast licence fee.
  This was the work of Joyce. A loan to a completely foreign owned unprofitable entity.
  They actually paid it back. Amazing for that lot.
  ..’Joyce yesterday said the money was not a loan, but a deferred payment system’….
  It was an interest bearing loan or they would have been goneburger. Joyce is now Minister of Finance. Phew! It was sort of a deferred payment system like it was sort of legal.
  
  Mediajerks collapsed the company in 2013 to avoid a $24m tax bill and started again..sans the tax liability.
  They don’t have any moral high ground to investigate others – which is maybe why they don’t do investigative journalism. Or they are just too damn lazy.
  60 minutes Aust tried investigating Swedish ‘no go zones’ and that did not go to well. The cameraman had a good cry.
  
  Mediajerks would be gone burger without the approx $30m pa funding from the NZ taxpayer.
  http://www.nzonair.govt.nz/search/funding/television/national-tv/?keyword=&date_from=&date_to=&broadcaster%5B%5D=TV3&s=1#results
  
  Any decent Govt would ‘let them go’ and flog off TVNZ while there was something to recover.
  TV3+==$#it are a viper nest of smelly lefties like the TVNZ trough.
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:10pm
Hugh Pavletich

… Very defensive bureaucracies in Christchurch … Martin van Beynen of The Press writes …

CHRISTCHURCH FIRES: Second guessing is easy but an inquiry is necessary | Martin van Beymen Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/89514389/second-guessing-is-easy-but-an-inquiry-is-necessary

… concluding …

… Stuff photographer Iain McGregor and I made our way up Worsleys Road to find residents and an elderly couple looking at the damage from various vantage points.

Yet the police were only too keen to get us – the professional information gatherers – out of there. On the threat of arrest – we were apparently obstructing them in their job of protecting the public – we had to back off.

I asked them if they minded giving us a ride down the hill.

“You can get f….d,” came the reply.

At the risk of severely straining the sympathy of readers, who generally hold the police and firefighters in the highest esteem, the exchanges seem symptomatic of an unhelpful relationship between the media and the authorities in disasters like this.

Officials are often hopeless at providing a flow of consistent accurate information and generally contemptuous of the media.

We are often treated as irresponsible children instead of adults who have covered earthquakes, floods and other disasters for many years. They can rest assured we aren’t going to blame them if things go wrong. A bit of co-operation would go a long way.

Anyway, I digress.

At this stage tired helicopter pilots and fire crews deserve all our gratitude and admiration.

But it’s difficult to avoid the impression that something went very wrong in the way these fires were fought.
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February 20, 2017 8:38am
- Happychappy
  
  Give it to Hugh he thinks his experience and knowledge can fix all these problems that NZ faces.
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:02am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Something else other than a laborious copy and paste has got to seen as a step in the right direction for HP HC so we need to react in a positive manner lest he becomes disenchanted by any negative responses and reverts to type (see what I did there!)
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:14am
    - Hugh Pavletich
      
      The centralization addiction …
      
      Amalgamated Fire Service … Another bureaucratic monster in the making ? …
      
      What has been learnt from the Australian experience ? … read on …
      
      While Christchurch burns, Wellington talks | Stuff.co.nz
      
      http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/89488611/while-christchurch-burns-wellington-talks
      
      Where were you on Wednesday night? Christchurch was packing its bags or nervously checking updates on its phone or, in a few stupid cases, driving to the Port Hills to catch a view of the inferno. Christchurch had nothing else to think about but the moving fronts of those fires and the ominous red glow on the hills.
      
      By pure coincidence, a small group gathered in central Wellington on the same evening to talk about fires and the people who fight them. The Fire and Emergency New Zealand Bill was having its second reading in Parliament and a handful of MPs had stayed late to debate its merits.
      
      It could not have been more timely or more meaningful. Watching the progress of bills through Parliament is typically an activity reserved for the worst of political tragics but this showed a side of the political system we seldom see. Here was a political world in which grandstanding and abusive name calling were mostly absent and hard work and agreement were rewarded. … read more via hyperlink above …
      
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      February 20, 2017 12:04pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        The ‘idiot elite’ are never interested in learning … a little history …
        
        A few days after the first earthquake events 4 September 2010 I wrote …
        
        Christchurch: A Bureaucratically Buggered City | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1009/S00237/christchurch-a-bureaucratically-buggered-city.htm
        
        Brendon Burns wrote early February 2012 …
        
        Better communication can shine a light in the darkness | Brendon Burns Perspective | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/6380541/Better-communication-can-shine-a-light-in-the-darkness
        
        … For this city to best recover from its seismic nightmare, the process of decision- making needs to be inverted to truly empower communities. Such a radical change is very difficult to accept for anyone – of any political persuasion – who happens to be in power.
        
        To date, the required response is tokenistic. A top-down command and control system may be appropriate in the days after a disaster but not in a recovery which will take years. Among the ultimate victims will be those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to true community engagement. Just look at the Christchurch City Council. …
        
        … and a few months after the February 2012 4,500 strong PEOPLES PROTEST I wrote …
        
        Christchurch: The Way Forward | Scoop News
        
        http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/AK1206/S00251/christchurch-the-way-forward.htm
        
        NOTHINGS CHANGED !
        
        Have they considered why compounded employment growth these past 10 years for Christchurch has been about quarter the national average … while for Waimakariri it has been about four times and Selwyn an astonishing seven times ?
        
        Refer short November 2 page Regional Report from the Ministry for Business, Innovation and Employment (MBIE).
        
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        February 20, 2017 12:43pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Talking of Grandstanding Hugh most of your posts show you grandstanding for Labour.
        
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        February 20, 2017 2:20pm
      - howitis
        
        And right below this dear old Hugo answers his own (unanswered) questions.
        
        Aaaaah bathroom musings….
        
        These would probably be better off on Zuckerberg’s platform, Hugo.
        
        A+ for Ctrl+C with Ctrl+V skills
        D- for trying to send KB users to the Fairfax Filth
        Z- for original thought
        
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        February 20, 2017 3:18pm
      - Happychappy
        
        Gee Hugh I hope that earthquake that hit Christchurch today wasn’t caused by all that hot air you are blowing.
        
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        February 20, 2017 4:33pm
      - Hugh Pavletich
        
        Mike Yardley: Response to Christchurch fires from officials ‘rudderless’ | Stuff.co.nz
        
        http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/89612043/mike-yardley-response-to-christchurch-fires-from-officials-rudderless
        
        … extract …
        
        … Hundreds of residents vented their increasing dismay and disbelief at the apparent failure of the Selwyn and Christchurch mayors to get to grips with the enormity of the ever-billowing threat.
        
        Individuals were pleading with Mayor Dalziel and senior city councillors, via their Facebook pages, to urgently declare a state of emergency. It took a further two hours after Westmorland was suddenly evacuated at 4pm, before the declaration was issued. … read more via hyperlink above …
        
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        February 20, 2017 5:13pm
- howitis
  
  You lost me at ‘professional information gatherers’, Hugo
  This is Fairfax for cryin’ out loud.
  
  Media are professional liars and deserve no gratitude or assistance with their lying.
  Stuff has run a constant stream of lies and vindictive rhetoric against the elected President of the United States daily for months.
  
  Why did this idiot go up the hill into a fire zone if there was no exit plan?
  These cause problems on their own.
  Of course these lazy narcissists want an inquiry. They can sit there and report (their slant, their lies) without hunting for actual news.
  
  Anyhoo Hugo, good to see you can still use Ctrl+C then Ctrl+V
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:35pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Isn’t Brendon Burns the Labour Candidate that Maggie Barry got rid of Hugh, see once again you show your true colours by posting Labour Party drivel.
    
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    February 20, 2017 2:05pm
duggledog

Then there’s the business case.

A deceased TV3 means more money heading towards TV2 and directly into Government’s coffers.

A National Radio forced to carry advertising (it is probably the #1 station in the country) would direct even more of a dividend.

State owned telly carries advertising. Why not state owned radio?

Crazy. Lazy.
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February 20, 2017 8:39am
NK

More fake news from Trump: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11803914

The guy is a pathological liar.
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February 20, 2017 8:51am
- Andrei
  
  Or is it the Herald that is lying?
  
  Here is the actual transcript of what DT said about Sweden
  
  Here’s the bottom line. We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening. We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what’s happening in Brussels. You look at what’s happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris. We’ve allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing. So we’re going to keep our country safe.
  
  Then look further up this thread and you will find a grim tale of the gang rape of a disabled woman is Sweden
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:14am
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    It might shock you Andrei, but rapes, including gang rapes, have been committed by residents (i.e. people other than migrants) for thousands of years. For example, in New Zealand, the gangs use them as initiations.
    
    So the notion that if you let in migrants you’re not safe from crime is so absurd it’s actually fake.
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:26am
    - Flash
      
      Word games. Why should we allow entry to people who will likely raise the incidence of crime?
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:24am
    - ross411
      
      I have no idea what you are saying. It seems to be, there are always some rapes, so the higher number of rapes by dark-skinned immigrant muslims is irrelevant?
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:27am
      - NK
        
        You have no idea because you’re mind is closed and you’re stereotyping and treating some *dark-skinned* immigrants with *all* immigrants.
        
        Why use the term “dark-skinned”?
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:37am
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        Just the “dark skinned ones” ross4711?
        
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        February 20, 2017 3:31pm
    - cmm
      
      No, “dark skinned” is not a factor per se.
      
      We don’t see many Buddhists and Hindus doing this.
      
      Muslims… plenty.
      
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      February 20, 2017 11:06am
- All_on_Red
  
  Meanwhile, in the real world far far away from the ignorance of NZH and those with #TDS, a Swedish Police Chief warns women not to go out at night alone.
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pLCWbrWqe1Y
  
  And here Film maker Ami Horowitz discusses his experience in Sweden researching refugee crime. Interesting how Political correctness is preventing some Swedes from accepting the problem.
  To be balanced I did laugh when Trump said his travel ban went smoothly…it didn’t Donald but hopefully you will learn.
  http://video.foxnews.com/v/5327830979001/?#sp=show-clips
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , Trump and his supporters were the same ones who claimed a terrorist attack in Atlanta and the Bowling Green massacre .A very , very clever lot . Like you Trump and his supporters did overlook this white supremacist threat of terror attack ,
    
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/white-supre
    macist-benjamin-thomas-samuel-mcdowell-dylann-roof-massacre-
    jews-not-charged-under-a7586126.html
    
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    February 20, 2017 10:10am
    - All_on_Red
      
      We’re talking about Sweden you idiot Stalker. Sheesh, even Homer Simpson is brighter than you.
      DUH !
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        But there was no Paris , Nice or Orlando style terror attack in Sweden , do do !
        
        Trump like you confused Sweden to “Sehwan” in Pakistan.
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/19/sweden-trump-cites-non-existent-terror-attack
        
        LOL , Clown !
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:31am
      - sooty
        
        You do have a way with words. All On Red!
        
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        February 20, 2017 11:37am
    - Andrei
      
      Nowhere did Donald Trump use the words “Terror Attack” – Stephieboy!
      
      The sentence that invokes Sweden – ” You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden.”
      
      And we know that there are major social problems in both Germany and Sweden resulting from large scale unregulated immigration from the Middle East and North Africa – it is unfucking deniable
      
      But you are so focused are reading words into statements that are not actually there to see the wood for the trees
      
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      February 20, 2017 11:22am
    - NK
      
      Trump also referred to what happened “last night” when the alleged offence by alleged Muslims which is an alleged attack (did they scream Allahu Akbar?) took place four weeks ago.
      
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      February 20, 2017 11:33am
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        He only just found out about it.
        
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        February 20, 2017 7:23pm
  - ross411
    
    What if Donald knew there were judges that made calls based on social justice, and it would result in him taking it up to the supreme court to get a head start in dealing with this deep-rooted problem in the American justice system?
    
    What if he knew that the left wing media and social justice populice would take it to mean a muslim ban, when it was just a few countries Obama already selected? His supporters can recognise that it’s false to claim it’s a muslim ban.
    
    Who knows his motives?
    
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    February 20, 2017 10:30am
- Fletch
  
  I do not think that slipping up, putting “last night” into a sentence is “pathological”, compared to Hillary claiming she was shot at by sniper fire in Bosnia in 1996 while landing there in a helicopter when video evidence shows this to be totally untrue. IN Hillary’s case, she even told the story several times. THAT is pathological.
  
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  February 20, 2017 11:21am
  - NK
    
    I agree. A one-off can be forgiven. Was his win in the electoral college the largest ever since Reagan?
    
    Hopefully you get my point.
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:35am
    - Lance
      
      @NK
      HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!!!
      You spoke against the anointed one. Your thinly veiled facts will not save you. Your name will be written down in ‘the black book’ for later punishment
      
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      February 20, 2017 1:37pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        thinly veiled facts nice one! 😀 😀 😀
        
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        February 20, 2017 2:58pm
  - chiz
    
    This may be a difficult concept for you to understand but our memory doesn’t function like a video recorder and people do sometimes misremember things. In Hillary’s case she was told, as part of her security briefing, to wear a flak jacket and was warned repeatedly in Bosnia that sniper fire was a possibility. That all bled through, years later, into her memory.
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:46am
    - Fletch
      
      Uhuh – she also mentioned running for cover..
      
      “I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base.”
      
      Instead, what happened is that she was greeted by a little girl giving her flowers. No gunfire at all. The Washington Post awarded her 4 Pinocchio’s.
      
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/05/23/recalling-hillary-clintons-claim-of-landing-under-sniper-fire-in-bosnia/?utm_term=.6f1e051d33fa
      
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      February 20, 2017 12:14pm
      - chiz
        
        she also mentioned running for cover..
        
        So? Go back and reread my comment, people misremember things. Our brains sometimes take bits of one thing and bits of another and twist them up. Sometimes this can occur because of external actors (e.g. sloppy police interviewing), sometimes it just occurs without external help.
        
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        February 20, 2017 5:26pm
Keeping Stock

David Shearer was polling at 12.1% in the Preferred Prime Minister polls when Grant Robertson engineered the infamous “snapper moment” in 2013.

Andrew Little is currently polling at 7%, down one percentage point from the last Colmar Brunton poll, or in percentage terms, a 12.5% decrease in popularity. That number is even lower than the 8% recorded by Winston Peters.

What must really worry Labour though is that when Labour has polled at 30%, less than a quarter of those who indicated Labour as their choice want Little as leader. It’s probably too late to roll Little now, given the proximity of the General Election, but if Labour loses in September the knives will be out, and more Labour blood-letting is pretty much a given.
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February 20, 2017 8:54am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  In election campaigns the focus goes on the leader, and the leader’s popularity (or lack of) washes over onto the party.
  Based on where Angry is at now, I would see 20% for Labour as a distinct possibility.
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:01am
  - cmm
    
    Quite right.
    
    To most voters, the leader IS the party. The party vote might as well just be the party leader vote.
    
    Nobody thinks: “I’m going to vote Labour because after the election they’re going to roll Andy then it’s all going to be roses from there.”
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:11am
- Happychappy
  
  KS/ Asked by the media about his 7% he says the incumbent always polls higher and then asked what he thought of National being down 4% his answer was it shows NZ’s want to change the Government. The only thing that shows after his comments is how deluded this idiot is.
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:12am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Deluded and idiot are words that look comfortable in a sentence with the word little, with a capital L, and labour with or without a capital L as you like
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:18am
- pdm
  
  Don’t worry Inv – his Union masters probably have another stooge lined up to replace him.
  
  Nothing changes.
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Possible ex one time Policeman Unionist now standing in Ohariu.
    He will still get a high listing even if he doesn’t win.
    
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    February 20, 2017 1:07pm
- Scott
  
  I think the election is going to be closer than people think. Yes Andy is often angry and does not come across as a likeable charismatic fellow. John Key would make mincemeat out of him. However John Key is not on the ticket, Bill English is.
  And I just do not believe that Bill English has it. I think he is wishy-washy, I think he is easily knocked off his game by the media, he wants people to like him and consequently he comes across as wishy-washy.
  So my prediction is that the election is very much alive and that National needs to lift its game if it is going to get anywhere.
  
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  February 20, 2017 11:32am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Scott, you sound like a very hopeful Labour supporter. I think you’re going to be surprised and disappointed at how well National does.
    TV1 poll didn’t change much from the ups and downs of previous polls. And National will lift its game as English gets into his stride.
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:25pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Articles on Stuff don’t point to a happy time for Andy. They’ve pretty much given up on 2017 Scott. And when you lose the left leaning media, you lose the election.
    
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    February 20, 2017 1:19pm
EAD

Why isn’t our MSM reporting on this?

Paris: Tourists Warned to Stay Away as Nonwhite Mobs Attack

https://redice.tv/news/paris-tourists-warned-to-stay-away-as-nonwhite-mobs-attack

The Korean embassy in Paris has issued an official warning to its nationals to stay away from the suburb of St. Denis after a busload of Korean nationals were attacked, robbed, and assaulted by an African/Arab mob, while five large areas of France’s capital city have been turned into “no-go zones” by the ongoing nonwhite violence in France.

If you want to know what is really going on in the world, so called “fake” media is the only place to go….

EDIT: Apologies, the MSM is reporting on the big stories coming out of France this weekend:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/89580848/small-cafe-shoots-to-fame-after-michelin-star-mixup

A small-town eatery in France that usually serves tradesmen has been inundated with diners after being accidentally awarded a Michelin star.

Le Bouche à Oreille, in Bourges, offers meals for about €10 (NZ$15) – a far cry from the intended award recipient, Bouche à Oreilles, near Paris, which charges diners €48 (NZ$71).
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February 20, 2017 9:02am
- kowtow
  
  Watch this video and you’ll see why the world’s MSM, so keen to attack and highlight every instance of “racism” in the US haven’t picked this up and run with it for all it’s worth.
  
  http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/768896/paris-riots-latest-fighting-metro-eurostar-french-train-station-fight
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:56am
- cmm
  
  And this is still winter when the cold keeps many of them indoors.
  
  Imagine what fun summer is going to be like.
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:06am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD with his impeccably reliable Muslim and dark skin bashing links , Redice TV >>> New Observer >>> Sunday Express .
  
  As usual no sources or verification or even context to explain the alleged attack .Merely bald ,sweeping unverified and uncorroborated claims .
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:20am
  - pentwig
    
    just like you steffie!
    
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    February 20, 2017 1:21pm
RF

Spare a thought for the Christchurch fire refugees who are still out of their homes. I hear it’s raining in the Port Hills which is a contrast to the sunny north.

I am off to the Sunshine Coast to soak up the Aussie culture. 30 plus yesterday.
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February 20, 2017 9:09am
KevOB

In the area under cordon in Christchurch hills the houses are reasonably separate. There is little reason to keep the legitimate occupiers out. Some will not be insured post earthquake and they have already exhausted their trauma quota.
All will have adequate communications and can be trusted to get out if an alert is given by internet, TV or radio. It may bother the firefighters who may feel responsible for these people but they can be released from responsibility but the occupiers cannot be released from the undergoing present trauma. It can be minimised by trusting the occupiers. The human damage may exceed the fire.

Sometimes controllers get in the way of the sensible.
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February 20, 2017 9:31am
JasonJohns

Holland has a problem with human garbage. Fortunately they have a garbage disposal expert waiting to do the necessary disposal and destruction
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/19/geert-wilders-dutch-far-right-leader-criticised-calling-moroccans-scum
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February 20, 2017 9:50am
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , Morrocons scum ? Dark skin scum here there and everywhere .
  
  Obviously sweet music to an altright Trumpist ears.
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:24am
  - Manolo
    
    Hold on, stephieboy. I’m dark-skinned!
    
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    February 20, 2017 10:36am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, something for JasonJohns and white alt righters to thoughfully reflect on .
      
      However rest assured I think they were considering dark skinned North Africans .A bit of a let off for you . Phew.. !
      
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      February 20, 2017 10:49am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        How do you know that Manolo is not from North Africa?
        
        Haven’t you wondered where a fluent Italian & Spanish speaking darkie hails from?
        
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        February 20, 2017 3:46pm
    - realityczech
      
      “FEBRUARY 20, 2017 10:24AM
      stephieboy
      Dark skin scum here there and everywhere ”
      
      Manolo, Pleased don’t judge all whites by stephieboy’s vile out burst of hate and aggression. We do not condone his sort of violence and respect cultural diversity in its place 🙂
      
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      February 20, 2017 12:36pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      …However rest assured I think they were considering dark skinned North Africans .A bit of a let off for you!”
      
      Let that be a warning to you Manolo! We only tolerate mestizo or lighter skinned people!
      
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      February 20, 2017 1:17pm
  - realityczech
    
    Dark skin scum here there and everywhere
    
    stephieboy KB 2017
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:30pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      He can’t help himself. He’s a Democrat.
      
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      February 20, 2017 1:13pm
Happychappy

Why is the media pushing stories from Willie Jackson about the percentage of young Maori voters that don’t vote or are not even enrolled to vote. For gods sake the man is not a candidate, even been given a Labour nomination to the list yet and the Media, Andrew Little and Bryce Edwards are labelling him as the Messiah of the left that will win them the Treasury Benches. You only have to look at his track record to realise that Jackson will do what’s best for Jackson and continue his trough digging win or lose.
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February 20, 2017 9:54am
JasonJohns

Snowflakes trying to cover up Swedish terror attack
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/social-media-mocks-trump-making-sweden-attack-170219135917568.html
Trump tells the truth that the MSM suppresses
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February 20, 2017 10:14am
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns , but there wasn’t an Orlando , Paris or Nice style terror attack in Sweden !
  
  It is really that simple
  
  “Find time to admire and appreciate the glittering lights on snowflakes.”
  
  ― Debasish Mridha
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:26am
JasonJohns

‘but there wasn’t an Orlando , Paris or Nice style terror attack in Sweden’

Your mind has been scrubbed clean huh?
I trust Trump’s word over the corporate communist MSM
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February 20, 2017 10:35am
- stephieboy
  
  Trump’s and your words of unreason vs the “glittering light “of reason !
  
  BTW there was no Terror incident in Sweden last night .
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:51am
  - holysheet
    
    Tell that to the Swedish women being raped most nights. Rape would be a terror attack in any sensible persons vocabulary. But not yours obviously, Stupidboy
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:25am
    - stephieboy
      
      holyturd , there was no Terrorist attack like Paris and Nice .
      
      Fact ! BTW Swedish Rape Capital of Europe is a myth and Muslim men are not daily raping women there !
      
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      February 20, 2017 12:30pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        *citation required.
        
        stephie you should pop over 1 thread that way >> and see what the European countries that are suffering under diversity have to say about the direction their countries are headed.
        
        With France at 87% think they’re heading in the wrong direction, the other Nordic countries are not far behind.
        
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        February 20, 2017 1:10pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Well to a Muslim I guess rape isn’t a terror crime. It’s just a standard Saturday night.
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:27am
Manolo

It will be an interesting meeting:
The Congressional Black Caucus says it will meet with President Donald Trump after all.

Rep. Elijah Cummings is a senior member of the group. He told CBS’ “Face the Nation” that Trump answered the caucus’ Jan. 19 request for a meeting “a day or so ago.” The Maryland Democrat says he expects the two parties will meet when Congress returns from a weeklong break and discuss prescription drugs and urban issues.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_THE_LATEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-19-13-23-32
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February 20, 2017 10:35am
- All_on_Red
  
  Cummings ain’t too sharp.
  ‘House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Rep. Elijah Cummings, D-Md., and The New York Times learned that lesson the hard way Tuesday when all three were fooled into quoting a fake Twitter account.’
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/15/pelosi-cummings-new-york-times-fall-victim-to-fake-twitter-account.html
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:54am
- AgentBallSack
  
  So….asking that black woman if she knew them and to “set up the meeting” worked? Another unneeded hit job on DJT by the MSM? Who would have thought it!
  
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  February 20, 2017 11:03am
  - waripori
    
    Trump gets himself into enough real trouble by making stuff up without everyone getting on his case for nothing. I watched that comment in the presser and it was just his way of making a fairly light hearted response to a question about whether he intended to meet with the Black caucus. I don’t think the reporter who asked the question took offence. It may be his New York sense of humour but he sometimes means things to be funny in the same way John Key did.
    
    Plenty of real stuff to get excited about from Trump. Making an issue of everything is a distraction.
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:44am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      I think she had an agenda and was surprised when he answered like he did. I think that he was warned beforehand that she is a Black Caucus supporter/plant.
      
      The way she framed the question, and using the TLA “CBC” which isn’t a commonly used way to describe them, and he knew who she was referencing tells me it was an attempt to set him up, that he deftly deflected by saying “Oh them. Set up a meeting”.
      
      If he hadn’t known who they were that would have set the media off – “TRUMP HATES BLACKS” or some such nonsense.
      
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      February 20, 2017 11:59am
- VicParking
  
  Is there a Congressional White Caucus Or would that be Racist?
  
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  February 20, 2017 2:03pm
Manolo

Nothing to see, no rapes here. It’s time to move on. The Swedes ask for an explanation:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-sweden-idUSKBN15Y0QH?il=0

That appeared to confuse the Swedish government, which asked the U.S. State Department to explain what the new president meant.

“We are trying to get clarity,” Swedish Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Catarina Axelsson said.
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February 20, 2017 11:00am
Manolo

Le Pen is milking Paris’ riots/turmoil and making political gains:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/769187/Le-Pen-slams-Hollande-Paris-protest-Theo-leaving-France-brink-civil-war

“This government has remained unresponsive for years to scoundrels who make their laws in certain districts and do not hesitate to unleash their violence as soon as a demonstration gives them the opportunity.

“Is it necessary to say that the magistrates need a strong and effective police force in order to do their work?

“Must we remind them that this same police force, as well as the gendarmerie, now needs to be permanently changed?”
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February 20, 2017 11:07am
Happychappy

Well you have to wonder whether Whale Oil membership is in decline when you see stories on his blog about Dot Com and Nicky Hager and the lead up to the 2014 hackings. While I have always believed that the law and high Court Judges got it all wrong what he is encouraging now is for them to do it again as he thinks it will send more people to his membership drive. To me and maybe plenty of others he wants to go back to the way he used to present his stories instead of what he levelled at the media that is the exact thing he is doing now.
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February 20, 2017 11:08am
- macdee
  
  his obsession with McCully is nauseating, believes the UN vote is cause of 4% drop last night
  
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  February 20, 2017 11:25am
  - Kimbo
    
    Drop from 50 to 46% is approximately 8%. And it is nonsense. The Israel-Palestine dispute is only fussed over by zealots at both ends of the spectrum. The only two “foreign affairs” issues that had any impact on the NZ electorate were apartheid and anti-nuclear, and that was only because there were domestic repercussions.
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:28am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Slater has put so much energy into promoting his parallel universe of the Israel resolution being a game changer on the election he is going to grasp onto anything to try and prove he is right.
    As for people actually paying to read his political analysis in “Incite”, well a fool and his money are easily parted I suppose.
    
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    February 20, 2017 3:20pm
  - calendar girl
    
    Doesn’t alter the fact that what McCully did was to attack a friendly nation as a cost of cozying up to the Muslim ME.
    
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    February 20, 2017 10:21pm
Nostradamus

Why vote for me? Mt Albert candidates in their own words

Penny Bright, Independent
Age: 61
Occupation: Activist
Lives: Kingsland

Why vote for an existing MP? I am independent. I am a proven anti-privatisation and anti-corruption campaigner. I have attended five iternational anti-corruption conferences.
I was a chosen New Zealand expert for the 2015 World Justice Project International ‘Rule of Law Index’. The Auckland Supercity is a super ripoff. Auckland is unaffordable. The books aren’t open. Does all growth need to come to Auckland? It’s time for a national migration, population and regional employment strategy. I get things done. It’s time for a new and effective MP – with a vision. Someone with a plan. This is Penny Bright.

*Giggle*
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February 20, 2017 11:17am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The books definitely aren’t open at Penny’s place. She point-blanks refuses to say whether the money she should be paying in rates (but has chosen not to) is being put aside for the day when the Court finds against her and she runs out of appeals.
  
  Transparency only applies to other people, isn’t that right Penny?
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:05pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Has she dropped the byline “The Bernie Saunders (sic) of New Zealand politics”?
  
  Bernie will be heartbroken.
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, that is interesting….,
  
  I called in to a local deli for coffee this morning and had a perusal of the NZ Herald.
  
  The early print version (flown into Gizzy) did not contain any comment from Ms Bright.
  
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  February 20, 2017 5:14pm
- calendar girl
  
  It’s known to most that I’m a strident critic of Penny Bright’s deliberate breaking of the law in refusing to pay her Council rates. However, I agree strongly with most of this unusually-sane comment in her ‘manifesto’ comments to the NZ Herald:
  
  “It’s time for a national migration, population and regional employment strategy.”
  
  The ‘regional employment strategy’ part is a bit off the wall (employers ultimately, other than the State, will set that ‘strategy’ in practical terms). But a national migration and population strategy has a useful place in this country’s high-level planning. And it shouldn’t be devised or set out by politicians in the first instance.
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:35pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  I was riding through the Mt Albert electorate today and noticed the various hoardings, including the Mad Hatters. I though hoardings were supposed to have some sort of authorization statement on them? http://www.elections.org.nz/candidate-handbook/part-5-election-campaigning
  
  The stupid bint’s don’t. Therefore she is in breach of local electorate law? Any lawyers out there willing to comment? Would LOVE to her dragged off before the courts on this ( if this is in fact the case).
  
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  February 20, 2017 11:23pm
  - cha
    
    The stupid bint’s don’t.
    
    Pics?
    
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    February 20, 2017 11:29pm
AgentBallSack

Look I fully support this. You should too. What could go wrong?

Petition for J.K. Rowling to take in muslim refugees in her 18 spare bedrooms

J.K. Rowling has often announced her solidarity with Middle-Eastern refugees on twitter. She is well-known advocate of open borders and often stated, that Europe has the duty to give every single one of these refugees from all over the middle east, rarely warzones, asylum and welfare. Everyone who represented a different opinion was viciously attacked by her, and she is not alone. Many other multi-millionaires and billionaires seem to be fond of virtue-signaling about refugees. Since she is a sheltered member of the rich elite, who is very much disconnected from the ugly reality of rape, murder and destruction which many of these refugees bring with them, we think that it is time for her to show some true solidarity. J.K. Rowling has 18 spare bedrooms in her mansions in Britain and could easily give 18 refugees a long-time housing, not to mention the space available on her giant property to erect refugee shelters.

https://www.change.org/p/j-k-rowling-petition-for-j-k-rowling-to-take-in-muslim-refugees-in-her-18-spare-bedrooms
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February 20, 2017 11:23am
sooty

I was the chosen new zealand expert for the 2015world justice project. BULLSHIT I SAY. You just found some nutbars having a meeting in a phone box and said im as nutty as them and went and squeesed in. The question is who paid for your trip? Maybe the ird need to check up on you. How are you paying for the election? Pay your rates, you stupid fool.
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February 20, 2017 11:29am
JasonJohns

Bombshell from John Ansell:

In case you missed it in the fake (ie mainstream) news, detectives have proved Trump right about Obama’s birth certificate being faked. Here, in forensic detail – with nine points of forgery – is the full story of how the document that Obama told the world was a scan of his 1961 hospital record was, in fact, built on a computer using details copied from the birth certificate of a baby girl.
Expect Trump to put this information in the hands of his new Attorney-General (once he’s finished with Hillary Clinton) and for it soon to emerge that the Obama presidency was illegal because the president was born in Kenya.
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February 20, 2017 11:37am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Would that retrospectively cancel out all the laws and EO’s he wrote? I would like for it to be true but I am withholding my opinion until CNN reports it 😀
  
  BTW we just opened ourselves to being shit all over and called birthers by stephie.
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:16pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns, bombshell John Ansell ?? More like a limp damp Sqibb .
  
  Trump himself has acknowledged the authenticity of Obama’s Birth Certificate,
  
  http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/where-was-donald-trump-born-he-even-lies-about
  
  ABS , Fox reports Trump stating President Obama was born in the US : Period !
  
  http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/16/trump-clinton-trade-barbs-over-obama-birther-movement.html
  
  Heh, heh, heh…
  
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  February 20, 2017 1:02pm
  - calendar girl
    
    What’s a ‘Sqibb’? Even a ‘limp damp’ one.
    
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    February 20, 2017 10:42pm
- Griff
  
  Expect Trump to put this information in the hands of his new Attorney-General (once he’s finished with Hillary Clinton
  
  Someone is living in a dream world .
  The only thing we can expect from trump is more bullshite, controversy and narcissistic public wanking until they impeach him.
  
  Trumpets really are as thick as they act
  
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  February 20, 2017 2:46pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Jesus Griff, not an impeacher as well? I thought you were smarter than that. Have fun in company of the raving loon stephie though. You make a great couple!
    
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    February 20, 2017 4:03pm
- Gabby
  
  What’s the bumshell, Jizzyjocks?
  
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  February 20, 2017 6:44pm
Jack5

Some interesting reading on anti-vaccination agitators (yep, it’s a helluva long link, but one click on it and it works):

http://www.spiked-online.com/review_of_books/article/10233?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=spiked%20review%2019%20February%202017&utm_content=spiked%20review%2019%20February%202017+CID_252860da1a1b87a86b7852af066be815&utm_source=Email%20marketing%20software&utm_term=The%20rise%20and%20rise%20of%20anti-vaccine%20agitators#.WKob9zt96Ul
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February 20, 2017 11:41am
AgentBallSack

Indians have had enough of Muslims. If there’s one country you don’t want to piss off it’s India. The Indian troops don’t take prisoners and they love sharp weapons.

Kolkata: In a major show of strength against Islamic Terrorism, around 100,000 Hindus of all race, color and gender marched and rallied through the streets of Kolkata in the state of West Bengal, India.

On the occasion of the Foundation Day of the organization Hindu Samhati, the organizers recalled the sufferings of the Hindu community worldwide.

Founded in 2008, Hindu Samhati is a Hindu organization working on ground in West Bengal and in the other states of Eastern India.

In recent years there is a tremendous growth of Radical Islam in the Eastern part of India. There has been a series of attacks on the Hindu community.
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February 20, 2017 11:51am
- Jack5
  
  The Hindu are persecuting Christians in India.
  
  Like trying to burn alive a pastor and his pregnant wife.
  
  It seems to be Hindu people rather than Muslims who are persecuting Christians in India.
  
  http://morningstarnews.org/2016/08/persecution-of-christians-in-india-increases-dramatically-in-first-half-of-2016/
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:14pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Mostly radical Hindu groups though. And I would like to say that in a country of circa 1.2 billion people, 300 attacks in a year is less than 1 a day. Compare that to Islamic attacks on Muslims and minorities and it’s a drop in the bucket.
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      Three hundred attacks on Christians a year (your figures) isn’t trivial.
      
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      February 20, 2017 12:30pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Jack, I am not condoning the attacks. But we have to put it into context. For instance 25 thousand violent assaults in NZ in 2015 alone.
        
        Wherever you find religion you will find someone who interprets it differently, sometimes to the point of extremism. But when your religion implicitly condones violence against unbelievers, such as the Koran does, you have a serious problem.
        
        AFAIK Hinduism and Sikhism does not condone attacks against unbelievers. To do so goes against the tenets of the religion.
        
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        February 20, 2017 12:36pm
      - Kimbo
        
        AFAIK Hinduism and Sikhism does not condone attacks against unbelievers. To do so goes against the tenets of the religion.
        
        I think you will find that, once you dig past the “it’s our culture and harmless” explanations about the Sikh kirpan (small ceremonial dagger) , they are sworn to wear it until every Muslim is wiped off the face of the earth. Goes back to Mogul invasion days.
        
        Now, I accept the point that we don’t seem to have a problem with Muslim-Sikh conflicts, not in the West, anyway. And Sikhs are peaceable people and good migrants. But then that test should also be applied to Muslims, as it should for all religious believers – you should be judged as an individual, not on the basis of what your religion requires, or others say it requires…but what you personally say and do.
        
        Anything else compromises the liberty of us all, religious or not.
        
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        February 20, 2017 12:43pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Good comments Kimbo, and I was fully aware when I was commenting that what I was saying could also be used to describe peaceful Muslims. I don’t have a problem with them.
        
        I am not religious myself, being agnostic earlier in my life and progressing to full blown atheism in my older years.
        
        But I am aware that sometimes what the Imams say to believers in private can be different to what they say in public.
        
        It’s like eating Fugu. I wouldn’t because one badly prepared fish can kill you. Same as one badly instructed Muslim can kill hundreds.
        
        For the most part I don’t see why the “West” should be forced to take that risk.
        
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        February 20, 2017 12:55pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack5 , plus Hindus perecuting and murdering Muslims,
    
    https://news.vice.com/article/christian-and-muslims-are-facing-more-and-more-persecution-by-hindu-extremists-in-india
    
    and,
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Muslims_in_India
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:38pm
JasonJohns

Thanks ABS. The Burmese are also showing their mettle by culling their Muslims
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/burma-rohingya-muslims-crackdown-government-crackdown-campaign-reuters-un-report-a7570116.html
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February 20, 2017 12:03pm
- Jack5
  
  Fuck the Burmese. They are persecuting Christians.
  
  Most notably the Karen people, who were allies of the British against the Japanese. The West’s abandonment of the Karen is shameful. It’s noticeable that NZ’s lefties and bleeding hearts are all for resettlement of Burma- persecuted Muslims in NZ, but they never lifted a finger to help the Christian Karen people.
  
  In 1947, a leaked secret document of the country’s military dictatorship declared Burma’s Christian minority should be “wiped out”.
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1540121/Burma-orders-Christians-to-be-wiped-out.html
  
  http://www.christianpost.com/news/christians-facing-persecution-burma-turning-to-christ-angering-buddhist-spirits-172272/
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:21pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Yes the Buddhists are a strange lot. I always thought they were one of the more peaceful sects until they jailed that Kiwi for printing a picture of Buddha in headphones.
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:30pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Just another repressive religion…
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_violence
      
      Study the history of any nation where Buddhism holds sway and you’ll discover centuries of privileged folks (monks and the land-holders) keeping a peasant population in ignorance & poverty.
      
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      February 20, 2017 7:08pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Thanks Maggy, it’s just a religion you don’t hear much about. I am guessing they have a good propaganda unit lol.
        
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        February 20, 2017 7:24pm
  - Kimbo
    
    So how about this as the “takeaways”?:
    
    1. We ignore claims by NZ Christians and/or defenders of Christendom/Western Civilisation who say they are “persecuted”. They ain’t. By any reasonable measure.
    
    2. We do our best to uphold our non-sectarian constitutional arrangements, and take the attitude that the law should judge people on the basis of their actions, not their religious beliefs and what third parties allege those must entail.
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:31pm
  - stephieboy
    
    jack5 . but its OK to” cull” Muslims there ?
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:32pm
    - Jack5
      
      In all fairness, I think it’s only Stephiestanis who should be subject to immediate deportation.
      
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      February 20, 2017 12:33pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whoops! The leaked Burmese Government document advocating Christians be wiped out was in 2007, not 1947. Sorry.
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:32pm
  - realityczech
    
    Most notably the Karen people, who were ~~allies of the British~~ traitors.
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:40pm
    - Jack5
      
      Traitors to whom, Realityczech?
      
      They fought with the British – that is our side – in World War 2 against the Japanese.
      
      Realityczech, if you are arguing the Karen were traitors, aren’t you saying something about your allegiances?
      
      If you are just being cynical and calling them traitors, I challenge you, when you aren’t under a pseudonym, to say the same about some of the Maori tribes who were British colonial allies in the Land Wars.
      
      http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2014/07/myanmar-forgotten-wwii-heroes-201471082724460916.html
      
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      February 20, 2017 12:47pm
  - sam green
    
    Did you lift a finger to help the Karen people Jack5? Which finger did you lift?
    
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    February 20, 2017 3:42pm
    - Jack5
      
      And what did you do for the Karen, Sam?
      
      Don’t tell me you went into the Burmese jungle to fight alongside them like Stallone’s Rambo.
      
      Still, I apologise. I concede, Sam Green, that only those on the Left are entitled to a view on which refugees New Zealand should take, and that it’s fine for them to foist Muslims on us.
      
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      February 20, 2017 6:08pm
      - sam green
        
        Tiaki Rima – you commented that the “left -didn’t lift a finger to help the Karen people”. Obviously you did. Which finger I ask?
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:38pm
  - howitis
    
    Simon Collins, the eternal whinging lefty from the Herald, married a Burmese refugee of the Karen tribe.
    
    The woman’s daughter promptly went on the DPB when she got knocked up by her impecunious Uni Student boyfriend. Oh these benefits are wonderful.
    Thank U NZ
    
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    February 20, 2017 3:48pm
JasonJohns

‘Fuck the Burmese. They are persecuting Christians.’

OK criticise them for that but not for disposing of their Muslims right?
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February 20, 2017 12:23pm
- Jack5
  
  Jason Johns, I don’t like the moves to Islamicize the West, but I’m uneasy when I hear language like “disposing of their Muslims”.
  
  Sounds too much like the wording that might appear on SS documents about train movements out of Hungary in 1944-45.
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:28pm
JasonJohns

Are you such a snowflake as to think we will be able to de-Islamicise completely without massive violence Jack5?
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February 20, 2017 12:31pm
- stephieboy
  
  JasonJohns ,, ” culling” , “de-Islamicise.” Said like an alt right Trump true believer !
  
  https://i.ytimg.com/vi/uJy13esaXMs/maxresdefault.jpg
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:34pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  It’s like the leftie doublethink on Muslims.
  
  In one breath they state they are peaceful happy loving people who we should take in in ever increasing numbers because multiculturalism.
  
  In the next they’re telling us if we don’t take them, or we disparage them in any way the Muslims will become violent and kill us all.
  
  I need to read 1984 again!
  
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  February 20, 2017 12:46pm
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, the overwhelming number of 1.6 billion Muslims are happy peace loving people .
    
    Fact ! No double think . Show us to the contrary ?
    
    You would do well to read 1984 again. That is if you’ve ever read it in the first place !
    
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    February 20, 2017 12:54pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      The book opens with Citizen Smith doing exercise in front of the 2 way TV, and being told to keep up.
      
      Giving you the benefit of doubt, I would assume you know that?
      
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      February 20, 2017 1:01pm
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS,
        
        “It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. Winston Smith, his chin nuzzled into his breast in an effort to escape the vile wind, slipped quickly through the glass doors of Victory Mansions, though not quickly enough to prevent a swirl of gritty dust from entering along with him.
        
        The hallway smelt of boiled cabbage and old rag mats. At one end of it a coloured poster, too large for indoor display, had been tacked to the wall. It depicted simply an enormous face, more than a metre wide: the face of a man of about forty-five, with a heavy black moustache and ruggedly handsome features. Winston made for the stairs. It was no use trying the lift. Even at the best of times it was seldom working, and at present the electric current was cut off during daylight hours. It was part of the economy drive in preparation for Hate Week. The flat was seven flights up, and Winston, who was thirty-nine and had a varicose ulcer above his right ankle, went slowly, resting several times on the way. On each landing, opposite the lift-shaft, the poster with the enormous face gazed from the wall. It was one of those pictures which are so contrived that the eyes follow you about when you move. BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU, the caption beneath it ran.
        
        Inside the flat a fruity voice was reading out a list of figures which had something to do with the production of pig-iron. The voice came from an oblong metal plaque like a dulled mirror which formed part of the surface of the right-hand wall. Winston turned a switch and the voice sank somewhat, though the words were still distinguishable. The instrument (the telescreen, it was called) could be dimmed, but there was no way of shutting it off completely. He moved over to the window: a smallish, frail figure, the meagreness of his body merely emphasized by the blue overalls which were the uniform of the party. His hair was very fair, his face naturally sanguine, his skin roughened by coarse soap and blunt razor blades and the cold of the winter that had just ended…”
        
        I think it will pay you to actually read the book
        
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        February 20, 2017 3:01pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I said I should read the book again stephie. Nice cut and paste though. If I wanted to look like I had never read it, I would have done exactly what you did. Fool!
        
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        February 20, 2017 4:07pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Oh look what I found on my computer stephie, in my 10 thousand sci fi books –
        
        With those children, he thought, that wretched woman must lead a life of terror. Another year, two years, and they would be watching her night and day for symptoms of unorthodoxy. Nearly all children nowadays were horrible. What was worst of all was that by means of such organizations as
        the Spies they were systematically turned into ungovernable little savages, and yet this produced in them no tendency whatever to rebel against the discipline of the Party. On the contrary, they adored the Party and everything connected with it. The songs, the processions, the banners, the hiking, the drilling with dummy rifles, the yelling of slogans, the worship
        of Big Brother–it was all a sort of glorious game to them. All their ferocity was turned outwards, against the enemies of the State, against foreigners, traitors, saboteurs, thought-criminals. It was almost normal for people over thirty to be frightened of their own children. And with good reason, for hardly a week passed in which ‘The Times’ did not carry
        a paragraph describing how some eavesdropping little sneak–‘child hero’ was the phrase generally used–had overheard some compromising remark and denounced its parents to the Thought Police.
        
        Seem familiar? I would guess you have never ready any Orwell though, your naivety is extremely pronounced.
        
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        February 20, 2017 6:03pm
    - Manolo
      
      I do not believe books have played a role in your education, stephieboy. You have given us proof and confirmed it too many times.
      
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      February 20, 2017 1:06pm
Manolo

Where will it end?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/sport/some-nascar-fans-are-outraged-over-monster-energy-girls%E2%80%99-outfits/ar-AAn6Wcv?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

The issue? The event’s newly-introduced Monster Energy girls, who take over from Sprint after a sponsorship change, and their “inappropriate” outfits.

Here’s a picture of them.
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February 20, 2017 12:45pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  I am offended. There’s no way those outfits are skimpy enough.
  
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  February 20, 2017 1:05pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    I bet Stephie the Porn freak looked at them lots of times!
    
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    February 20, 2017 1:51pm
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  We have gone from the Summer of Love to the New Puritan in a generation.
  Gawd forbid we reach a time when a Cuck can`t tweet his virtue signalling outrage in an instant.
  
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  February 20, 2017 1:57pm
  - jonar
    
    Funny thing is those Nascar fans complaining are likely to be Trump voters.
    
    http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/why-so-many-in-nascar-love-donald-trump/
    
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    February 20, 2017 2:04pm
  - Gabby
    
    Cuck soccer.
    
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    February 20, 2017 6:23pm
All_on_Red

Trump explains. I posted the video he is referring to at 9.21
‘“My statement as to what’s happening in Sweden was in reference to a story that was broadcast on @FoxNews concerning immigrants & Sweden,” the president tweeted.

Friday night’s edition of “Tucker Carlson Tonight” featured an interview with documentary filmmaker Ami Horowitz about a surge in violent crime in Sweden.

Some have traced the crime increase in Sweden to a surge in the number of refugees entering from Africa, Asia and the Middle East.
Trump said at a campaign-style rally Saturday outside Melbourne, Fla.: “We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?”

One of his faults but also a positive trait is Trump freewheels sometimes when he speaks. I knew what he meant but sure enough some morons take him literally.
Would I rather he was pure TelePrompTer managed?
No, I’m sick of falseness from these pollies. Get used to his style. This is going to happen again.
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February 20, 2017 1:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , weasel words . Trump simply confused Sweden with “Sehwan” in Pakistan the scene of a terrorist attack
  
  Knowing Trump and many of his supporters I believe the confusion was deliberate as Trump ushers the era of Fake newswith the euphasim of ” Alternative Facts ”
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/19/sweden-trump-cites-non-existent-terror-attack
  
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  February 20, 2017 1:12pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    You’re the weasel pornoboy. How do you know what he confused things with? You don’t know, so stop talking shit- never happen of course!
    
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    February 20, 2017 1:49pm
- Dave Mann
  
  That’s got to be one of the most pathetic excuses ever made for talking out of your arse. Its so weak that it’s frankly laughable.
  
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  February 20, 2017 3:29pm
Manolo

The WaPo at crossroads:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-supporters-see-a-successful-president–and-are-frustrated-with-critics-who-dont/2017/02/19/496cb4b4-f6ca-11e6-9845-576c69081518_story.html?utm_term=.214a2ac12864
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February 20, 2017 1:07pm
- Lance
  
  I see Fox has turned on Trump now
  
  Pass the popcorn
  
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  February 20, 2017 1:40pm
  - Jack5
    
    Bullshit, Lance.
    
    Here’s Fox News on the rape epidemic in Sweden that coincides with Muslim immigration.
    
    http://video.foxnews.com/v/5248024459001/?#sp=show-clips
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:17pm
    - Lance
      
      I found 3 x presenters on Fox calling out Trump on labeling most networks as enemies of the people, saying her had crossed the line.
      A simple google will do
      
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      February 21, 2017 10:45am
stephieboy

Manolo, simply put Trump and his supporters like you don’t like an alternative point of view .

They and you would rather have a Soviet and Nazi styled muzzled media and press .
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February 20, 2017 1:18pm
Liberty

That’s Kelvin Davis Gone.
How sad never mind.
Exclusive interview: Hone Harawira on his comeback deal with the Maori Party
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11804060
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February 20, 2017 1:32pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Harawira is still a dyed in the wool racist I see. English needs to signal to Winston that it’s his turn and do away with the racist parties once and for all. Be there on merit, not skin colour. I am starting to think Peters has earned it.
  
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  February 20, 2017 1:49pm
  - Manolo
    
    Will PM Bill have the gonads? I doubt it.
    Chameleon Dunne and the racist Maori Party will continue to be Labour lite’s favourites.
    
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    February 20, 2017 1:58pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      By indicating to the general populace that National is willing to work with NZF, National would go a long way to signalling that they are prepared to move right. A lot of NZF voters are National voters who don’t like how far left they have gone, plus the JK haters obviously. Perhaps such a signal would pull back voters from NZF.
      
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      February 20, 2017 2:27pm
      - Kimbo
        
        You mean socially right? Because, economically, NZF are more left-wing and Muldoonist-rump opponents Rogernomics.
        
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        February 20, 2017 2:36pm
      - Liberty
        
        Kimbo is correct It is a misconception to claim NZF as a right wing Party
        The only difference between NZF,Labour and the Greens is Winston ego.
        
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        February 20, 2017 3:26pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I mean “going right” in a sense of protecting our nationalism, such as it is. We can keep dividing the country or we can pull together sans all the bullshit? Would denying the Maori Mana party a few terms in Government be such a bad thing? Especially given todays anouncements re Te Tai Tokerau. Winston First is the only party that doesnt buy into the global community scam.
        
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        February 20, 2017 9:11pm
cmm

Must watch for stephie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hluR7a79W14
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February 20, 2017 2:22pm
- Inandout
  
  That is not KFC chicken, too big a piece. However this man talks sense.
  
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  February 20, 2017 2:44pm
cha

I guess Milo’s fifteen minutes of fame is up, then.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2017/02/19/video-surfaces-of-milo-yiannopoulos-defending-pedophilia-acu-board-reportedly-not-consulted-on-cpac-invite/
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February 20, 2017 3:01pm
- Inandout
  
  I knew he was a closet Muslim.
  
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  February 20, 2017 3:27pm
  - cha
    
    Was that before or after you found Milo a rather flamboyant fellow?.
    
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    February 20, 2017 3:38pm
    - Inandout
      
      He has form, obviously, and the enemy will seize on any indiscretion. Why he is a spokesman for Breitbart puzzles me, because throwing a gay onto centrestage means not a jot to the crazy Left who are now almost homophobic.
      
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      February 20, 2017 6:43pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  The left; forever playing the man.
  
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  February 20, 2017 5:05pm
stephieboy

cha, this is worth posting from your link,

” Then on Sunday morning, less than one day after the controversial announcement about the CPAC speaker lineup, video surfaced of Yiannopoulos allegedly defending pedophilia in the past.

“We get hung up on this sort of child abuse stuff,” Yiannopoulos is heard saying in a video, acknowledging that he has a controversial point of view, “to the point where we are heavily policing consensual adults.”

“In the homosexual world, particularly, some of those relationships between younger boys and older men — the sort of ‘coming of age’ relationship — those relationships in which those older men help those young boys discover who they are and give them security and safety and provide them with love and a reliable, sort of rock, where they can’t speak to their parents,” he added.

“It sounds like molestation to me,” an unnamed person tells Yiannopoulos in reply, likely an interviewer. “It sounds like Catholic priest molestation to me.”

“But you know what? I’m grateful for Father Michael. I wouldn’t give nearly such good head if it wasn’t for him,” Yiannopoulos replied, using a euphemism for male oral sex.

It doesn’t end there.

In an interview with comedian Joe Rogan 2015, Yiannopoulos discussed his sexual relationship with “Father Michael,” which he allegedly had as a teenager at age 14.

During the interview, he even tried to normalize pedophilia.

“So you’re saying you’ve never seen a 15-year-old girl, at any point in your life, that you thought was hot?” Yiannopoulos asked.

“Yeah, when I was 15!” Rogan replied. “I’m not retarded dude.”

“No, when you were 25 or 30, you’ve never seen girls you thought were hot?” Yiannopoulos asked again.

“No, I thought they were little kids!” Rogan said.

Later, Rogan called “Father Michael” a “terrible person” for allegedly having a sexual relationship with Yiannopoulos when he was a young teenager, but Yiannopoulos tried to downplay it.

“It wasn’t molestation,” he alleged

“That’s absolutely molestation,” Rogan shot back.

Later in the interview, Yiannopoulos talked about a Hollywood party he went to years ago that had “very young boys” in attendance for sex.”

Revolting ! No doubt Trump suporters will be shortly clamouring telling us it is all FAKE news !
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February 20, 2017 3:07pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  A muslim complaining about pedophilia? Oh dear, forgotten about Aisha then? How embarrassing.
  
  And man-on-boy pedophilia?
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi
  pretty much standard operating procedure in deeply hypocritical Muslim central asia.
  
  If Yianopolis is not worried about it (as the boy in the relationship) then I can’t say I am too worried either. He is merely taking a rational stance rather than an emotive one, as he does on most issues.
  
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  February 20, 2017 3:33pm
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    then I can’t say I am too worried either.
    
    Is there anything you’d like to share with the group?.
    
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    February 20, 2017 3:46pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Any other emotions “Father Michael” invokes in you Stephieboy?.
  Intrigue or maybe even a tinge of excitement?.
  
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  February 20, 2017 3:35pm
  - nasska
    
    I doubt it S&S. Considering the repressed urges he stifles after ogling the half wiped arse of the devotee on the prayer mat in front of him five times a day “Father Michael” would seem rather tame. ?
    
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    February 20, 2017 3:51pm
Captain Mainwaring

After a total non-summer it’s 30 degrees in the Hutt Valley today, and humid with it.
Is this what Whangarei’s like most of the time? If so you can keep it.
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February 20, 2017 3:54pm
Happychappy

What a moron Andrew Little is and with comment like he has made about Cadburys “they are leaving because they are greedy”, well Andrew business is not like Parliament they have to make money to survive, if they don’t make money they are put in receivership and then bankruptcy if it can’t pay its way. God help NZ if this idiot ever gets to be Prime Minister.
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February 20, 2017 4:21pm
- Griff
  
  Cadbury was making money here.
  They just think they can make more sourcing our product from Aussie.
  The only issue is the au chocolate is shite .
  Making a little more money per unit but selling significantly less product is a fail. The result of the closure will be cadbury will lose market share and lose what consumers loyalty they had left here.
  Smells like a masters of business fuckwit’s plan One who only sees the bottom line and fails to notice the value in loyalty .
  Priceless.
  
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  February 20, 2017 5:23pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Bullshit. The company is on a cost cutting drive to save 4 billion dollars. Perhaps if you owned a company you would know what it’s like to try and save money. Feel free to buy it and run it at a loss.
    
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    February 20, 2017 5:43pm
    - Griff
      
      Ball sack my deluded little whale reject
      They admitted the plant in Dunedin was making money they are just shifting the production to au to make even more ..
      
      Economy of scale. they have spare capacity in au that they can soak up .
      
      How big will the market share lost to consumer who .
      1 Don’t like au chocolate ?
      2 Feel loyalty to New Zealand workers and new Zealand business ?
      
      I witnessed the same thinking when I worked for GFW and they thought they could use surplus au capacity and ignore nz loyalty, service and preference, GFW in this market lost business over shifting production to au .
      
      Less than a decade ago Cadbury had a near monopoly in this country, A series of bad business decisions has seen that evaporate to less than fifty percent .
      The closure of Dunedin will see that drop even further to the status of a bit player in our market.
      Cadbury will become something you buy for the kids because it is sweet and cheap not because you like the shite .
      
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      February 20, 2017 6:12pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        LOL at whale reject. As far as I am aware I still have an account there? I just don’t like the place. Also I don’t eat chocolate so not like a really give a flying fuck. But a link to back up your assertion would be good Your Griffness.
        
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        February 20, 2017 6:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        NZ business???
        Cadbury…
        
        hardly….
        It’s an American multinational co….
        Mondelez International (previously Kraft)
        
        before that it was the British-owned Cadbury-Fry Co.
        
        (still, they did build a nice dining hall at my old school)
        http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/photograph/31100/dining-hall-quaker-school-whanganui
        
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        February 20, 2017 6:44pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Griff /Is that why Whittakers have stated that they will not fill the void
    
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    February 20, 2017 7:26pm
AgentBallSack

Bunch of fucking nutters and terminally deranged.

When the high-minded stoop to the low-down

Impeachment is an option, and already the nuts on the left are banging away with threats and prayers (such as they are) to get on with finding the high crimes and misdemeanors to send the Donald packing to his digs at Trump Tower in Manhattan, or better, at Mar-A-Lago in Florida. But impeaching a president is not easy, even with cause, and so far nobody has cited a cause beyond a lot of disappointed and frustrated Democrats just wishing it so. The Democrats tried impeachment to get rid of Andrew Johnson a century and a half ago, and failed. Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for lying about his sexual romps in the Oval Office but couldn’t convict him, despite ample evidence. Only the terminally naive would expect this Republican Congress to impeach President Trump.
That leaves only the unthinkable, though some Democrats, cultivating the Trump Derangement Syndrome, obviously think about it in the dark and stormy nights spent wrestling with demons and worms. View, a magazine in Ireland, put the Donald’s portrait on its cover with a target superimposed on his image over a caption that left nothing to the imagination: “Well, why not?” The cover, if not the magazine, has been widely reproduced everywhere, and not denounced in very many places.
E.J. Dionne, though a bit of a weenie, is nevertheless an upright and law-abiding fellow who was no doubt upset by that magazine cover, though many of his readers were not. The deranged are capable of many things, few of them good. Mr. Dionne and no doubt many thousands of his readers regard Mr. Trump as something of a traitor — “Trump’s loyalties are now in doubt” — and accuses him of “indiscipline, deceit, incompetence and moral indifference.” Men have paid for less at the end of a rope.
Such inflammatory anger and resentment cannot be encouraged. The deranged and the unbalanced, who are doomed to live with voices bouncing off the inside of their troubled heads, are capable of plotting dark deeds without the righteous encouragement of a newspaper columnist eager to put his moral righteousness on display.
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February 20, 2017 5:40pm
- Griff
  
  Only the terminally naive would expect this Republican Congress to impeach President Trump.
  
  How many Republicans would it take to impeach trump?
  ……
  27 is all it would take .
  How many do you think either think of him as a gibbering loon or have been already been insulted by the chief orangutan?
  Trump is holding on by his fingernails and its been a month …..It would be extremely surprising if he managers to go for forty seven more months without the Courts or the sane side of the Republican party screwing his arse to the wall.
  
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  February 20, 2017 5:53pm
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    test
    
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    February 20, 2017 5:58pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Keep telling yourself that snowflake.
    
    You of the “He will never get elected”, “Hillary will win”, care to go 0 for 3 do you? I am happy to put a 50 dollar wager on to the charity of each others choice.
    
    If Trump gets impeached I will pay $50 to a charity you choose, if he makes it through the first term you will do the same.
    
    Proof will be via a dropbox link.
    
    Note he has to actually *be impeached and stripped of the Presidency* unlike Bill Clinton.
    
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    February 20, 2017 6:15pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘Trump is holding on by his fingernails’
    
    Hahaha, what a fuckwit.
    
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    February 20, 2017 6:59pm
    - Griff
      
      Ha ha ha
      
      Still projecting you filthy stalking on others I see all on red
      What a sad case of dk .
      To stupid to know how stupid you are .
      
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      February 20, 2017 7:22pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Says the ignorant no education blue collar bum.
        You’re the stupid one aren’t you snowflake running the same old lines like ‘dk’
        Lol
        
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        February 20, 2017 7:30pm
  - realityczech
    
    Griff, stop being angry and hateful. Join Trumps vision of hope and optimism. Come along for the ride and be part of the new enlightenment.
    
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    February 20, 2017 7:53pm
    - Griff
      
      The only ride you poor idiots are on can be found in trumps book .
      The art of the deal.
      AKA
      How to bullshite fuckwits .
      
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      February 20, 2017 7:59pm
      - realityczech
        
        LOL what an angry wee chap. Stop being a sore loser. The media have lied to you.
        
        Trump has done more in a month than Obama did in two full terms, with the media spinning for him hard out.
        
        Being a bitter loser is a choice Griff. Join the winning team.
        
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        February 20, 2017 8:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ?
        
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        February 20, 2017 8:44pm
- Gabby
  
  They pulled a Palin.
  
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  February 20, 2017 6:01pm
Jack5

TVNZ’s Wrightweiler was on Trump’s case again tonight, and Senator McCain again featured.

Wrightweiler seemed to ridicule Trump’s explanation for this statement alleging a Muslim incident in Sweden.

That’s fine, but has TVNZ explained what was missing in its coverage of the drunken woman abusing a group of young Muslim women in Waikato. It’s been since stated the young drunk herself had a Muslim mother.

If that’s so, why hasn’t TVNZ fronted up and explained, just as it expects far-away Trump to do.
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February 20, 2017 6:14pm
- Inandout
  
  Because the MSM are shamelessly dishonest, meaning they won’t mention the Muzzie mother; sort of deflates their ‘outrage’.
  
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  February 20, 2017 6:55pm
AgentBallSack

I have just started watching Hitler – The Movie on Netflix. Interesting documentary! Very informative watching him build up his persona and tricks of the trade as he fits into the role. Early Hitler smiling and not conforming to his later stern self is quite disarming.

As I said I have only just started watching, so please don’t spoil the ending!!!
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February 20, 2017 7:28pm
- Lance
  
  He invades Poland.. all hell breaks loose.
  
  Sorry for the spoiler
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:00pm
  - EAD
    
    Evening Lance,
    
    Here is a good balanced film to watch on Hitler (You’re not likely to find one on Netflix); – The Greatest Story Never Told:
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU_GQ91qDPY
    
    With regards to the start of WWI, the Netflix movie won’t discuss the Bromberg Massacre and killings of German peoples that lead Hitler to invade,
    
    They probably won’t discuss how it was France & Britain that declared war on Germany nor will they discuss why France and Germany didn’t declare war on the Soviet Union who also invaded Poland. Such is the state of today’s agenda driven “education”.
    
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    February 20, 2017 8:06pm
  - Biscuit
    
    But Germany recovers and goes on to dominate the World………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….Cup in 2014.
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:31pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    A small country like Poland. Should be a push over. Hardly anything to get excited about surely.
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:39pm
    - axeman
      
      Yeah, Poland was just a pit stop for the Panzas on their push to Paris 😉
      
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      February 21, 2017 1:37am
realityczech

Another great 24 hours from Trump on the back of his enormously popular speech in Florida, where he correctly pointed out Sweden’s plague of rapes and violent crime by immigrants, while offering a vision of hope and enlightment.

It is little wonder even the doubters are beginning to see his pragmatic genius, as he surges ahead in the polls.
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February 20, 2017 7:40pm
- Lance
  
  “vision of hope and enlightenment”
  “pragmatic genius”
  
  Fucking Hell!!!
  
  This is not Gandi here
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:03pm
  - realityczech
    
    Gandhi was a divisive racist and a cheeky darkie with it. Trump is a true and gifted statesman.
    
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    February 20, 2017 8:09pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Meanwhile the media deliberately misquote what he said. They treat world security like a fucking joke.
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:01pm
All_on_Red

I see Mr Shouty Gwiffy is back.
Lest we forget, here’s the poor snowflake getting his arse handed to him on Watts Up With That. That must have been emabarrassing – Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

‘Griff,
That’s called a straw-man argument. Look it up. The fact that you would stoop to such tactics means that you have no cogent arguments. This is why you are mostly ignored here.’

‘Anyone ever notice how Griff, just loses perspective of the article and discussion then wanders off in his hunt for assumptions and conspiracies?
If his writing was a little more obtuse, he could be Loserandownsky researching his next fabrications.’

‘I gather, that you Griff, with your usual total lack of reading comprehension did not read the comments.’

‘Absolute confirmation that griffypoo, never reads the articles or most comments.
Read the article griffy, before making grossly wrong statements.’

Yep, that’s our Griff! ? Poor little snowflake.
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February 20, 2017 7:41pm
- Jack5
  
  Talking about posters, on Thursday Kea comes out of isolation in DPF’s Kiwiblogemo – after a whole year sentence.
  
  If she comes back to Kiwiblog, general debate thread will liven up like Guy Fawkes night, until next and final strike sees the noisome parrot caged for good.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:25pm
  - nasska
    
    It’s more interesting around here when Kea gets the wind under his wing feathers Jack. 🙂
    
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    February 20, 2017 8:35pm
Don the Kiwi

Mmmm….this looks interesting.
Wonder what people think about it? 😉

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201833696/priest-takes-catholic-church-to-human-rights-commission
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February 20, 2017 7:44pm
- nasska
  
  What a despicable organisation. Earlier there was news that a youg Milo Yiannopoulos was sodomised senseless by the local priest & now this!
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:32pm
stigie

Well Don, if it’s anything to do with the priesthood and little altar boys, it will be very interesting to say the least..?
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February 20, 2017 8:27pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Nothing to do with that, it appears.
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:17pm
EAD

Twitter is going into meltdown as it looks like the homosexual deviant Milo Yiannopolus might also be a Paedophile:

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/833536249549946880

https://mobile.twitter.com/johncardillo/status/833519077226377217
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February 20, 2017 8:53pm
- Griff
  
  Already commented on above EAD
  We even had some sad individuals supporting fiddly behavior .
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:59pm
  - EAD
    
    Missed it Griff,
    
    I recall reading about his early life, and, as is a common with most all Sodomites, Yiannopolus had a dysfunctional relationship with his Dad and “rebelled” against it through homosexuality.
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:21pm
  - Jack5
    
    Griff at 8.59: “We even had some sad individuals supporting fiddly behavior.”
    
    We even have had one poster, and only one that I recall, alleging other posters were wife beaters and even implying they were paedophiles. That’s so, isn’t it Griff?
    
    If by chance the identity of the smeared posters had become known, then DPF, as publisher, might have been seriously in the gun for defamation, and he likely would have taken down with him that libelling poster, whom we both remember.
    
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    February 20, 2017 9:23pm
    - Griff
      
      Still coming out with that jacko ?Slowly in the hope it seeps into that primitive brain .
      The comment was in replies to your Griff is addled because he smokes pot,
      
      My statement in replies
      You as a binge drinker are far more likely to beat your wife .
      As this statement can be supported by data it is not a libel. It is the demonstrable truth .
      https://www.futuresofpalmbeach.com/womens-health/domestic-violence/
      However your statement was a libel.
      You can not understand the difference.
      
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      February 20, 2017 9:49pm
      - Jack5
        
        Griff:
        
        While you freely admitted you were right into cannabis, you were only guessing when you libelled me a binge drinker. For all you know I could be as befuddled by cannabis as you. Or I could be a full-on pisshead and insulted by being called just a binge drinker.
        
        But you did go too far, and not only against me. Your accusation of wife beating was more direct.
        
        You don’t know if I’m married or have been married of whether I’m a Kiwi Muslim bigamist. Could be I’m married to a female cage-fighting champion (Shit! Here she comes now! “I’m just editing the church newsletter, dear.”).
        
        There is a point in my comments. If overly rash, we could get DPF into hot water, expensively hot water. The fact that our target is under a pseudonym provides no protection if, for any reason, the identity of that target suddenly becomes known to Kiwiblog followers.
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:14pm
      - Griff
        
        Jacko
        My statement was because you binge drink you are more likely to be…
        That you are to challenged to understand the difference between a statement of fact and a statement of probability is as good an advert for the danger of binge drink as any I suppose .
        
        It also means you have some sort of cognitive problem .
        
        You really are a special little daily mail reader.
        
        Did you get sloshed again this Christmas?
        Hope your wife also had a good night .
        ROFL
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:36pm
      - sam green
        
        Is jack5 a lady?
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:43pm
      - Griff
        
        Not all woman are illogical whacks Sam.
        
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        February 20, 2017 10:59pm
      - Jack5
        
        Griff, at 10.36….
        
        Why am I not surprised you are “rolling on the floor laughing”? Cannabis does that to some people.
        
        Sam Green (10.43) asks if I am female. Sorry, no, “Sam”, you may be seeking a lesbian hookup, but I’m not in that market.
        
        Used to be a great old masculine name, “Sam” – Samuel Colt, Sam Walton, Samuel Adams, Samuel Johnson, Sam Snead. Then it became a girl’s name, too. Pity.
        
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        February 21, 2017 12:44am
- AgentBallSack
  
  More like the Priest who initiated him was.
  
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  February 20, 2017 8:59pm
- realityczech
  
  (((Twitter))) EAD ?
  
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  February 20, 2017 9:06pm
nasska

In the name of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost, let me feel your bottom.
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February 20, 2017 9:03pm
- sam green
  
  Jeez nasska – where’s dad4homos when you need him?
  
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  February 20, 2017 10:42pm
  - Jack5
    
    Sam, if you can’t wait for D4J to arrive, Gayline might be able to help you.
    
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    February 21, 2017 12:46am
    - sam green
      
      Are you running it these days?
      
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      February 21, 2017 11:17am
Left Right and Centre

Coming soon to KB:
The ‘Pharmac funding everything for the feckless poor’ thread.
Latest idea: vaginal nappies. ‘Medical essential’.
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February 21, 2017 1:57am
- Left Right and Centre
  
  Far out man . . .
  I listened to some muppet called Alison Mau on RadiobLiver – this is genius. People were saying you should pay for your own damn female products. Her answer? What if it’s a family with eight kids and six are girls. WTDF ?? Eer – listen genius – (1) don’t jump to an extreme low occuring example. Most people don’t have more than one or two daughters (2) why the f%&k would anyone have eight kids; not knowing how they’re going to provide for them ? Stupid.
  
  All the people like Ali should get together and start their own little charity giving away every last dollar they have to provide for the mouth-breathing masses who breed like bacteria. Life is good – lovely white woman says the more kids the merrier. Each one is a gift. Look at that – 5-10 gifts. Ali will help them all out. And their 50-100 high-achieving grandkids. Look – it’s little Masley’s first tag – how cute!!
  
  BTW – with very few radio options – I’m very ‘open-minded’ as to what total gobshite I’ll endure – but even then I can’t take Mau for very long at a time. Feral accent – yergh
  
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  February 21, 2017 5:17am
Manolo

Dhimmis are in full panic mode:
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-20/le-pen-advances-in-french-polls-as-security-concerns-sway-voters

Marine Le Pen gained ground on her rivals for the French election as she benefits from concerns about security while other candidates trained their fire on independent front-runner Emmanuel Macron.

Monday’s daily OpinionWay poll showed that first-round support for anti-euro candidate Le Pen rose 1 point to 27%, with Macron and Republican Francois Fillon unchanged at 20% each. While no surveys so far have shown Le Pen even close to a victory in May’s run-off, she’s quickly narrowing the gap to her rivals. OpinionWay showed Macron would defeat Le Pen by 58 to 42% in the second round. His advantage has halved in less than two weeks.
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February 21, 2017 6:09am
Manolo

If our multiculturalist lived in New York:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/02/loud-arab-call-prayer-times-square-muslims-protest-trump-shout-allahu-akbar-video/

There was also a loud Arab call to prayer during this protest in NYC. In an Islamic call to prayer (adhan), the Muslim is shouting Allahu Akbar which translates to ‘God is greater’ or ‘God is greatest’.
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