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William of Ockham

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An ignorant narcissist and pathological liar in the White House. Gone by Christmas.
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February 19, 2017 8:00am
- sooty
  
  Christmas in 8yrs!
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:18am
- realityczech
  
  Shouldn’t you be out capturing and torturing disabled children with the other Trump Derangement Syndrome sufferers ?
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:28am
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Lol. Best zinger this year reality. Uptick incoming!
    
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    February 19, 2017 8:56am
  - Nermal
    
    noun: troll; plural noun: trolls
    1.
    a person who makes a deliberately offensive or provocative online post.
    “one solution is to make a troll’s postings invisible to the rest of community once they’ve been recognized”
    
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    February 19, 2017 3:11pm
    - pentwig
      
      Oh, steffie take note!
      
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      February 19, 2017 7:34pm
- holysheet
  
  Bugger, the village idiot is back.
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:30am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    He never left, he has escaped from his care givers again . . .
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:12am
- G152
  
  Obama went last christmas. You have to keep up
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:31am
- Happychappy
  
  Chuck and the Left wanted John Key gone because of the same reason but History will tell you he stayed for eight years and retired on his own terms.
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:32am
- Paulus
  
  How is Trump to be gone by Christmas ?
  There are a number of methods being put forward by various left wing groups, and others more sinister within the current administration, which can only be described as very sad.
  Like it or not he is the democratically Elected President.
  I do not like him but respect the fact that he is the sworn President.
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:36am
- Inandout
  
  Many of the 15,000 staff at the Environmental Protection Agency will be gone by Christmas. They will be rueing the day they tried to block the new Director.
  
  ‘In 2016, the agency had 15,376 full-time employees. More than half of EPA’s employees are engineers, scientists, and environmental protection specialists; other employees include legal, public affairs, financial, and information technologists’.
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:59am
  - cmm
    
    I know one of the senior blokes in the EPA personally. He said to me two months ago that he already had a cardboard box waiting ready to pack his things. He expected they’d be shut down by March, but it looks like they might last a bit longer than that.
    
    He’s an engineer by training (PhD etc – very, very intelligent and capable bloke) but in the EPA he’s working as an administrator handing out lollies in one of the departments that gives out subsidies to “green tech” companies. It’s one of the huge failed troughs that Obama created.
    
    He likes to think he’s doing good by handing out hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to companies that take it and squandering it.
    
    I think he was doing far more good when he was in the free market. For example, he developed some technologies that increased truck engine power and reduced fuel usage.
    
    Regardless of whether or not you worry about CO2 and climate changes, he achieved more in the free market than in the EPA lolly shop.
    
    Cutting fuel consumption of all diesel trucks by even 1% (he achieved more than that) has a far better benefit to American society, and the world at large, than finding new ways to give companies like Tesla hand outs.
    
    Hopefully a good purge of EPA will put some of these brilliant people back into the free market where they can contribute more. Of course there are also going to be a bunch of useless people put on the dole queue too.
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:39am
    - jonar
      
      Interesting, what was his opinion on the outcomes of the subsidies? The “very intelligent, capable” guy that thought he was doing a good job.
      
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      February 19, 2017 11:03am
      - cmm
        
        I don’t think he really thought those subsidies were being anywhere near effective. There might be some good comes out of it, but not nearly enough to justify the huge amounts involved.
        
        Remember there’s a huge ego rush being picked for a job like this and immense sense of power that comes from being able to rub shoulders with industry like this. It tends to cloud your judgment.
        
        He’s also a massive Obama fan and I think he feels committed to trying to make a failing Obama program into a (partial) success.
        
        I have to be very careful what I say here. There are some details I choose to not go into because:
        they would identify him and would be incriminating.
        
        I don’t believe he has done anything illegal, but I do think the morality is a bit dodgy.
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:41am
    - realityczech
      
      “Cutting fuel consumption of all diesel trucks by even 1% (he achieved more than that) has a far better benefit to American society, and the world at large, than finding new ways to give companies like Tesla hand outs.”
      
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      Tesla is one of a number of companies set up by the con-artist Elon Musk to milk millions of tax payer dollars through subsidies for ridiculous hair brained green energy scams.
      
      He is a crook a con-artist and a parasite.
      
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      February 19, 2017 11:10am
      - cmm
        
        Yup….
        
        Tesla gets US federal subsidies of around $US35000 per car they make.
        
        Musk will chase any trough he can find, so long as the trough is HUGE.
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:45am
      - marcw
        
        Make that Billions RZ.
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        realityczech, and do did Tea Party leader Michelle Bachman and her family business !
        
        http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/15/news/la-pn-bachmann-disclosure-20110815
        
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        February 19, 2017 12:46pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        From your link.
        ‘The Independence, Wis., farm, Bachmann Farm Family LP, received nearly $260,000 in federal subsidies between 1995 and 2008. ‘
        
        A Farm subsidy of $20,000 pa and she was a minority shareholder.
        You think that compares to the millions Musk has got?
        What an idiot.
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:00pm
      - cmm
        
        stephie: All federal subsidies suck, but Musk has turned it into an art form.
        
        Yes, it sucks how much Michelle Bachman took. Bad, bad bad!
        
        Tesla makes approx 400 cars per day. Every 10 minutes they get as much subsidies as Bachman got during that whole 13 year period. Since Musk holds 1/5 of Tesla shares, hes’s scoring that Bachman-style amount of money EVERY hour.
        
        Or to put it another way, Musk is folding up $2M per day of subsidies into his back pocket. No wonder he’s an Obama fan billionaire!
        
        That’s what Obama EPA policies give you. It takes hard work to blow through $1T per year (or $3Bn per day).
        
        So if we’re throwing rocks, it makes sense to deal to the bigger problems first!
        
        This part of the swamp needs serious draining.
        
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        February 19, 2017 6:38pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Sort of like the prediction for the outcome of the Great War and that look how that turned.
  
  You really are a knob William
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:05am
  - MCos
    
    An unfortunate comparison if you’re a Trump supporter
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:18am
- Biscuit
  
  The odds are against it, William.
  
  20 previous Presidents haven’t sought re-election – 12 because they either didn’t run again or were rejected as the candidate by their own party, 4 had been assassinated and another 4 had died (f natural causes).
  
  The ones who ran again and lost are quite small in number:
  
  1 John Adams
  Served one full term. Lost re-election.
  2 John Quincy Adams
  Served one full term. Lost re-election.
  3 Martin Van Buren
  Served one full term. Lost re-election.
  4 Herbert Hoover
  Served one full term. Lost re-election.
  5 Benjamin Harrison
  Served one full term. Lost re-election.
  6 William Howard Taft
  Served one full term. Lost re-election.
  7 Gerald Ford
  Served the remaining 2 years, 5 months, and 11 days of Nixon’s second term. Lost election for a full term.
  8 Jimmy Carter
  Served one full term. Lost re-election.
  9 George H. W. Bush
  Served one full term. Lost re-election.
  
  You COULD add Grosvenor Cleveland to that list – he is unique in that he won one election (1885). lost his bid for re-election (to the afore-named Benjamin Harrison in 1889) but then trounced Harrison when running a third time (1893).
  
  A sitting President has to be remarkably inept (think Taft, Hoover, Carter and Bush I) or unlucky (think Adams I, who simply couldn’t live up to George Washington’s example, and Ford, tainted by being nominated to the post) to fail to win again should he stand for re-election.
  
  Trump has done nothing thus far he didn’t promise to do whilst running and there is no reason to believe his supporters will desert him should he run again in 2016…
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:05am
- GazzaW
  
  Be careful what you wish for. If Trump is gone by Christmas in all likelihood Mike Pence will move into 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I wish you good luck with that.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:09am
- Ed Snack
  
  Too late ! He went on 20 January, the lying turd.
  
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  February 19, 2017 10:40am
- starboard
  
  ..but Hillary lost..where have you been ?
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:39pm
- axeman
  
  I was talking to The Don just the other day and he speaks highly of you too Dennis 😉
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:59pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  It’ s W of O. Down tick and move on. Pity we can’t see who the 9 fucktards are who upticked. Could hazard a guess though….
  
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  February 19, 2017 4:51pm
duggledog

William – maybe, maybe not. Trump reminds me of Henry V111 in a way

David Garrett: I read your response to my blathering about the Trump / BBC’s John Sopel / John Campbell yesterday morning on GD.

I agree with your general thrust but perhaps my point got lost.

Sopel (and others) may quote that oft-repeated line about the 4th Estate not being players in the Christians V Lions of life, but saying it does not necessarily make it so.

Trump has neither the patience nor the time to figure out who is actually non-partisan or not in the media – along with a huge number of Americans.

The media need Trump far, far more than he needs them. In fact Trump does not need them at all now. He’s played them, used them, got to the No. 1 spot and now he just needs to tweet.

Over the last thirty years, technology has allowed media to expand to the point where there are now so many outlets and opinions on offer, they all have to push the envelope, extrapolate, trap, cajole, backstab, use, mislead, misreport and even fabricate stories about whoever it is they are trying to get the scalp of.

That’s why the once highly respected profession of journalism is now right down at the bottom. The whole thing has become laughable. Exhibit A: New Zealand.

Being a wanker to a whole lot of the press doesn’t actually matter. Not really. Trump’s got a country to run and a world to try and change – if he can.
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February 19, 2017 8:01am
Manolo

No more PC crap:
Dutch anti-Muslim, anti-EU party leader Geert Wilders promised to crack down on “Moroccan scum” who he said were making the streets unsafe and urged the Dutch to “regain” their country as he launched his election campaign on Saturday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-netherlands-election-campaign-idUSKBN15W2GT?il=0
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February 19, 2017 8:02am
realityczech

The trash media are in melt down over the new United States ambassador to New Zealand. He sounds like a good down to earth and fun bloke, if their hysterical stories are even half true. I am going to buy him a beer [at a strip bar] if I see him around town. 🙂

Funny how the trash media try and portray the outrage of the story writer as an expression of the “people”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/89560459/its-an-insult-backlash-against-trumps-pick-for-diplomatic-post-to-new-zealand
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February 19, 2017 8:04am
- Chuck Bird
  
  I would hope to see him on a cycle trail. The cycle trails are one good thing John Key did.
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:09am
  - realityczech
    
    Chuck Bird, great idea. He can organise a Boobs on Bikes fun ride with all proceeds going to a keg party and strippers. He can turn up in Welly on a nuclear powered and armed ship dragging a harpooned whale along with it 🙂
    
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    February 19, 2017 8:35am
    - holysheet
      
      Blah Blah Blah.
      
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      February 19, 2017 8:46am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Chuck Bird is another who’s slowly coming over to the dark side. I think simply because National have moved left, while Labour have turned hard left!
    
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    February 19, 2017 3:05pm
- Spam
  
  Yesterday, the article was click-bait about him once being voted sexiest man alive. Guess that was off-narrative, given that someone pointed out he was a Trump supported, so they went full TDS on him.
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:30am
- Inandout
  
  Didn’t the one before last, David Huebner, bat for the other side? But this comment from a Muslim spokesman shows some bloody cheek.
  
  ‘Islamic Women’s Council of New Zealand founding member Nasreen Hannif said Brown’s appointment would create fear within the Muslim community that he would share Trump’s intolerance towards their religion’.
  
  You obviously hate Trump more than the gay David Huebner. Go back to your prayer bloody mat and don’t mess with our government.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:18am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    Very quick to play the “victim” card and very quick of some reporter to ask a muslim for their thoughts knowing what the answer would be.
    
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    February 19, 2017 11:06am
- artemisia
  
  He still looks pretty hot to me.
  
  The bit in the story about inappropriate language etc by Andrea Tantaros. We used to call it flirting. Sounds like she is after revenge. And dollars.
  
  ‘New Zealanders reacted with surprise and dismay at Brown’s possible appointment. ” Wonder how many Stiff asked. Or was it just 2 people with predictable opinions plus their keyboard.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:18am
  - Dave Mann
    
    We used to call it flirting.
    
    Spot on analysis. How the hell does dating happen if a guy can be attacked in this way for testing the waters? It’s not like he grabbed her and raped her in the broom cupboard, FFS.
    
    This woman should be reassured and flattered that she got the attention. By the looks of her though, she probably gets more than her fair share…. but still…. get a grip you silly bitch.
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:14am
    - cmm
      
      ” How the hell does dating happen ”
      
      These days it seems you get your lawyer to contact her lawyer and set up a first date agreement….
      
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      February 19, 2017 10:45am
    - jonar
      
      It’s not like he grabbed her and raped her in the broom cupboard, FFS.
      
      So unless he actually rapes her she can’t complain?
      
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      February 19, 2017 11:12am
      - Dave Mann
        
        Yes… or actual sexual assault. If she wasn’t interested in his flirting she should have just said so politely and let that be an end of it. There’s nothing in the story to suggest he was doing anything other than harmless flirting.
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:49am
      - jonar
        
        You should read what actually happened. I think it’s fair enough she’s pissed off.
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/89560459/Its-an-insult-Backlash-against-Trumps-pick-for-diplomatic-post-to-New-Zealand
        
        Tantaros also mentions being groped by Brown in documents filed with the court.
        
        “On or about August 18, 2015, former Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown appeared on (Fox panel show) Outnumbered.
        
        “Brown made a number of sexually inappropriate comments to Tantaros on set, including, and in a suggestive manner, that Tantaros “would be fun to go to a nightclub with”.
        
        “After the show was over, Brown snuck up behind Tantaros while she was purchasing lunch and put his hands on her lower waist. She immediately pulled back, telling Brown to ‘stop’.
        
        “Tantaros then immediately met with (Fox News co-president Bill) Shine to complain, asking him to ensure that Brown would never be booked on the show again. Shine said that he would talk to Scott. Thereafter, Shine and Scott ignored Tantaros’s complaint, and continued to book Brown on Outnumbered.”
        
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        February 19, 2017 2:08pm
      - itstricky
        
        Too true. It seems Dave & I have also read a completely different story. As far as I can see, it didn’t stop after the “polite request” and, according to her version of events, she was punished for not allowing it.
        
        And it also mentions groping early on. I’m not sure whenabouts in history “groping” became “flirting” but you probably wouldn’t want your daughters hanging around Mr. Mann if that’s what he calls it.
        
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        February 19, 2017 3:03pm
      - realityczech
        
        “So unless he actually rapes her she can’t complain?”
        
        Yes. Any other questions ?
        
        This are unproven allegations. The lying bimbo should be charged for this.
        
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        February 19, 2017 3:07pm
      - itstricky
        
        The lying bimbo
        
        This (sic) are unproven allegations.
        
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        February 19, 2017 3:14pm
- Viking2
  
  I see Buchanan is among them. Scruffy unshaven conspiracy loon.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:24am
- AgentBallSack
  
  I havent read the story but I hear he was Americas sexiest man and once modeled nude on Cosmopolitans cover. Still more experienced than our Dame Devoid then.
  
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  February 19, 2017 10:12am
- Huevon
  
  The fake media in NZ is worse than the US, and im fucking sick of it.
  
  There is nothing in that article about who this guy actually is. Nothing. Just opinions from leftists.
  
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  February 19, 2017 10:15am
  - Rich Prick
    
    Just ~~opinions~~ hysteria from leftists. Sorry, I just had to fix that.
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:27am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    “Just opinions from leftists.”
    
    Welcome to our 4th estate.
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:30am
  - MCos
    
    He was previously a senator for Massachusetts for one term. He won Ted Kennedy’s vacant seat and promptly lost it to Elizabeth Warren.
    Make of that what you will.
    So now he could be heading this way, coincidently the furtherest away and most harmless post one could imagine.
    Probably the most damage he’ll do out here is if he falls off his bike.
    When Obama was President he was roundly criticized for doling out ambassadorships to blokes like him.
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:43am
- Gabby
  
  Can you drink and grip your pole at the same time czitty?
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:34pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    *asking for a friend
    
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    February 19, 2017 7:01pm
nasska

Conservative view……everything God & I don’t like must be banned.

Socialist view……everything I like is a human right & must be paid for by others.
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February 19, 2017 8:07am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Nasska’ s view
  
  You must Pay for everything to be banned?
  
  Ban everything to do with God and I will pay?
  
  Ban payments and I will rely on God?
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:12am
duggledog

Manolo –

Wilders, like Le Pen are learning perhaps too late the need to be a little more moderate at just the right time.

I wouldn’t put my money on either of them – the French and the Dutch, you know they’re a little timid.

Hope I’m wrong-

The thing with Trump though, is that if he actually makes this work, he emboldens people all over the Western world. Then you will see Centre Right In Name Only parties like National really struggle.
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February 19, 2017 8:17am
- kowtow
  
  When you see English people being warned by the police that Jerusalem and the English flag may cause offence in a “diverse” area then really the time for moderation is long past.
  
  http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/768515/police-england-flag-jerusalem-offend-people-stoke-byelection
  
  And the same thing is happening here. Look at Chief Plod calling for new laws and then all the hangers on jumping onto the bandwagon,
  
  Likewise we have the media here also pushing the manufacture of offence
  
  “When the Otago Daily Times reported on a Confederate battle flag being flown at a North Otago garage, the social media battle lines were drawn quickly.
  
  Dunedin woman Lisa Yorke, who asked for the Confederate battle flag to come down from display at a Maheno petrol station operated by Garrie Ford, came in for a barrage of insults and abuse.”
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/north-otago/online-comments-testing-parameters-free-speech
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:19am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Fuck, I’d better get a Confederate Flag before its fucking illegal. Try buying one on e bay in the states, almost impossible, Trade me fortunately has some available. So much for Freedom of speech and expression.
    
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    February 19, 2017 5:01pm
Stars And Stripes

The Patea Māori Club were having a fundraising event last night to upgrade their clubrooms which have seen better days so S&S being one of Taranaki’s biggest supporters of indigenous culture went along to check it out.
Must say these guys and girls are still really smashing it after all these years blasting out all the old tracks plus a few new ones and of course the signature track Poi E.
If they ever go on tour around NZ again it’s well worth a look and that is something coming from me.
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February 19, 2017 8:18am
- realityczech
  
  You have to learn to taylor your message to the audience you trouble maker you 😉
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:22am
Happychappy

I see Heather du you please me has penned a column on Peter Dunn and his thirty three years as his electorate MP. This so called Journalist picks out all the crap things he has done while being a MP and then goes on to highlight that the ex Police Union boss is standing against him but forgets to advise the readers that this is the same Police Union Boss that fed her information on how to get illegal guns into NZ and create a big hit on the National Government. Then if that was not bad enough to gain more traction imported the said illegal guns which was a crime. This Journalist has skin in this game and this column in my opinion is pay back for the help she tried to give his cause.
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February 19, 2017 8:22am
- Biscuit
  
  HappyChappy, remember that Heather du you please me voluntarily cohabits with a fellow journo daft enough to wind down in window when approached by a complete stranger whilst holidaying in a country with probably the highest rate of carjackings in the world…
  
  Anything she or Soper, the co-habitee in question, say from here on in has to have that level of idiocy factored in!
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:12am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Only a pinch above our marvelous Lizzie, do your blood pressure a favour and just don’t read their shit.
  
  Everytime you don’t click on them is one less to count, eventually when the clicking on their useless musings becomes zero, they get dropped.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:21am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    If only that was true. Unfortunately most media heads are in safe jobs for life, especially if theyre left leaning.
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:16am
- kowtow
  
  According to the blurb on her at the bottom of the story she’s the cohost of TV3’s current affairs programme……
  
  as to the burg and robbery there , how sad , these “journalists” were at the forefront of the propaganda war against the old Republic , which was a stable and peaceful country , yes it did have its problems, but nothing like what it is today.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:42am
stephieboy

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“Mr. President: ‘Just who the hell do you think you are?’

” You were elected as chief executive of the United States. I won’t belabor the fact that you won with a minority of the popular vote and a little help from your friends, FBI Director James Comey and Russian President Vladimir Putin. The bottom line is, you were elected.

And this does entitle you to certain things. You get your own airplane. You get free public housing. You get greeted with snappy salutes. And a band plays when you walk into the room.

But there is one thing to which your election does not entitle you. It does not entitle you to do whatever pops into your furry orange head without being called on it or, should it run afoul of the Constitution, without being blocked.

You and other members of the Fourth Reich seem to be having difficulty understanding this. Reports from Politico and elsewhere describe you as shocked that judges and lawmakers can delay or even stop you from doing things. Three weeks ago, your chief strategist, Steve Bannon, infamously declared that news media should “keep its mouth shut and just listen for a while.”

Just last Sunday, senior policy adviser Stephen Miller declared on CBS’ “Face The Nation” that “our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions, that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned.”

What you do “will not be questioned?” Lord, have mercy. That’s the kind of statement that, in another time and place, would have been greeted with an out-thrust palm and a hearty “Sieg heil!” Here in this time and place, however, it demands a different response:

Just who the hell do you think you are?

Meaning you and all the other trolls you have brought clambering up from under their bridges. Maybe you didn’t notice, but this is the United States of America. Perhaps you’ve heard of it? Nation of laws, not of individuals? First Amendment? Freedom of the press? Any of that ringing a bell?….”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/opn-columns-blogs/leonard-pitts-jr/article132721909.html#storylink=cpy
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February 19, 2017 8:49am
- realityczech
  
  stephieboy, how exactly did Putin help Trump ?
  
  We hear this claim all the time, but with no details of how.
  
  Unless you mean crocked Hillary’s emails, in which case the issue is her corruption, not the method by which it was exposed.
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:53am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Help Trump ? Here according to US intelligence ,
    
    “U.S. intel report: Putin directed cyber campaign to help Trump”
    
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14Q1T8
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:02am
    - realityczech
      
      No stephieboy.
      
      What did they actually do to help Trump ?
      
      You are just cut and pasting fake news headlines, but giving us no details.
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:13am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        realityczech, when you see posts from stephiebitch, DAMA*
        
        *Downtick And Move Along
        
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        February 19, 2017 10:18am
      - cmm
        
        Ballsack: Until about two weeks ago, I had a firm policy of never downtick. I was a downtick virgin.
        
        I saw, and still do see, over use of downticks as just an emotional overreaction for people who can’t make an argument: ie. I don’t like it what is being said, therefore I downtick.
        
        But making a rational argument is a complete waste of time for some of those amongst us.
        
        I switched to DAMA for them and it is just so liberating.
        
        No longer do I give those people oxygen – I can use that energy where it is appreciated.
        
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        February 19, 2017 10:54am
      - Rich Prick
        
        I just ignore it now. It’s in full Trump derangement mode, and I’m not sure that a reboot would help.
        
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        February 19, 2017 12:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      ABS, realityczech, cmm, Rich Prick,
      
      Donald Derangement mode ?
      
      Here ,
      
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/mTBQd9hIq-8/maxresdefault.jpg
      
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      February 19, 2017 12:24pm
      - rightoverlabour
        
        Hi, do us a favour, Fuck Off. Now if you are unsure as to the tone or intent of the phrase “Fuck Off” it’s a polite way of intimating that you are not wanted, that your opinion is not valued and if you were physically present, we would probably at least chuck you out, beat the living shits out of you and , at worst tar and feather you. Capiche?
        
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        February 19, 2017 5:10pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    Maybe if the Republicans would start an investigation and then Trump released his tax returns so we that we know to whom he owes money, then we’d know.
    
    Its much easier to not investigate and say that there’s no evidence.
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:32am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Candidates running for president (or any federal office) are required to detail their financial holdings, debt and sources of income so that the public can identify any conflicts of interest they may have. Click File below to view a candidate’s reports for the 2016 presidential race or explore our profiles of their past filings. ‘
      https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/financial-disclosures
      
      Trumps is over 90 pages so off you go…
      
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      February 19, 2017 10:42am
      - jonar
        
        If that was good enough wouldn’t Trump just tell people to look at it when he’s asked for his tax returns?
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:14pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        He has. Perhaps you should be asking why these Disclosures aren’t being mentioned by the MSM.
        Financial holdings, debt and income- what else do you need?
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:24pm
  - Gabby
    
    Nicky Hager supporter are you czitty?
    
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    February 19, 2017 12:40pm
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Lol quoting fake news to support yr fake facts. And Trump keeps in winning.
  
  Eight more years!!
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:00am
  - stephieboy
    
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    DP , thus far his Presidency by all accounts is a train wreck including his Labour Secretary nomination having to withdraw his nomination because his shady dealings and past are not up to it .
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:05am
    - realityczech
      
      “his Presidency by all accounts is a train wreck”
      
      LOL 🙂
      
      His approval ratings are going up. The “accounts” are those of the trash media throwing tantrums and writing fake news.
      
      In fact the rest of world is watching and taking the same brave steps Trump has, with a surge to the right and sensible policies. Trump is influencing a global trend of awareness and truth.
      
      This is only the beginning …..
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:11am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 55% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance.
        Most voters support the president’s plan to temporarily halt refugees and visas from seven Middle Eastern and African countries identified by the Obama administration as terrorist havens until the government is satisfied with the vetting process to keep out potential terrorists.
        Most also continue to believe that those who illegally overstay their visas to this country are a likely national security threat and that the federal government needs to work harder to send them home.’
        
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        February 19, 2017 9:20am
      - cmm
        
        Both the Dem and the Rep politicians hate Trump (so too the media) because he has thrown away the rulebook.
        
        The old way was to take as long as possible to do things, sniffing out the pork barrels and troughs and making sure you get plugged in to the right meetings.
        
        Most voters are completely exasperated by the lack of action from politicians.
        
        Trump has been in office for less than a month and we’ve seen more action out of him than we see from most presidents during a whole year.
        
        That’s why the people love him. He actually gets shit done.
        
        Politicians around the world are taking notice (well some are anyway). They realise that voter expectations are going to change significantly.
        
        Many of those politicians are throwing tantrums, but they will eventually have to get off the floor and change.
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:03am
      - jonar
        
        His approval ratings are going up
        
        What’s your source for that?
        Apparently its gone from 45% to 40%.
        
        http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/gallup-trump-one-month-approval-rating-lower-other-presidents-n722701
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Jonar
        Rasmussen have him at 55% His support amongst GOP is 87%.
        90%+ (!!!!!) of Dems disapprove. Hardly surprising since we know what sore losers the Left are.
        That disapproval level is skewing the results so frankly the whole measure is a bit pointless at the moment.
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:36am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , keep up the stalking !
        
        Ivanka not horny enough for you ?
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:51pm
    - Inandout
      
      Trump will be drawing the crowds in Florida today. He connect directly with the people and bypasses the (sob, sob) MSM. Clever chap there.
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:22am
      - wiseowl
        
        Fox covering rally.
        Looks like huge numbers.
        
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        February 19, 2017 10:05am
      - jonar
        
        The rally is to do with his ego, poor snowflake.
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/donald-trump-rally-florida-childish-a7586971.html
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:23am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Or he is just doing what Obama did and holding rallies to stay in touch with his base.
        Wow, forget TDS, we are getting full on Trump Psychosis now. Lol.
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:41am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red, you full of Trump pschosis ?Why did it take you so long for the penny to drop ?
        
        https://hipiseverything.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/trump-by-hip-is-everything.jpg
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:21pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hey, is Mrs Stephie limiting your time on the Internet now because of your porn obsession?
        That must be embarrassing eh pornoboy.
        Bet you haven’t been let out alone to Malls lately either.
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:38pm
      - realityczech
        
        stephieboy, Why are they not rioting and killing cops like Obama supporters did ?
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:43pm
      - pentwig
        
        To steffie @ 1:51 pm
        At least Ivana is of age!
        You are a self confessed ogler of young muslim teenagers in mt albot cafes. Sick MF’er!
        
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        February 19, 2017 7:49pm
    - Manolo
      
      Do you have any money invested in the stockmarkets? 🙂
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:37am
      - Inandout
        
        Up 10% in the US.
        
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        February 19, 2017 10:26am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      Lol Stephie – so like a socialist to suggest that Hillary won because she was too stupid to contest the states she needed to win!
      
      What next suggesting that Australia won the rugby world cup because they dropped the ball more times than the ABs.
      
      Here’s an adult suggestion for you – grow up! Democracy means sometimes not getting your way all the time!
      
      Seriously if you start looking at the facts, you’ll realise that you are hallucinating.
      
      Most deported immigrants in one year ever in the US? Obama 2011! Where were the protests? Where was the 9th circuit court then? Where were the Soros-funded riots? Where was the fake news media screeches then?
      
      The simple truth is this – Trump has called out the lying MSM. The US voters know he’s telling the truth. The shriller the MSM onslaught gets – the more certain it is that Trump’s popular mandate gets stronger.
      
      Seriously, have a look at Scott Adams blog – he predicted Trump would win and why he would win. He also explains why your head is exploding right now and why the facts don’t fit your belief system.
      
      Presidential train wreck = keeping all his campaign promises.
      
      I would wish we would have such a train wreck here (ever).
      
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      February 19, 2017 11:46am
      - marcw
        
        Thanks for putting it so well DP – it’s different when the left do it fully explained.
        
        Plus I now have a whole new meaning of DP 🙂
        
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        February 19, 2017 12:01pm
- Biscuit
  
  Stephieboy, losing the popular vote but winning the election anyway (via the Electoral College) is far from unique in US politics:
  
  1824: John Quincy Adams
  1876: Rutherford B. Hayes
  1888: Benjamin Harrison
  2000: George W. Bush
  2016: Donald Trump
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:15am
  - Chuck Bird
    
    A similar thing has happened here under FPP and no doubt elsewhere under FPP. That does not make either system undemocratic. I wonder how many Democrats what to get rid of Electoral Collage votes.
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:21am
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, Chuck…
      
      One of the things I really disagree with in US politics is that, because of time zones, the overall result is usually known before the polls in the biggest state, California, are closed.
      
      That said, Trump won the 2016 Election by targeting the 5 or 6 swing states he knew he could be competitive in … and largely ignored California.
      
      He could say – and has said – that if he’d campaigned more there, he would have picked up way more as-it-turned-out irrelevant votes there.
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:28am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        What do you suggest – have one time zone like China?
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:07pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      “I wonder how many Democrats want to get rid of Electoral Collage votes.”
      
      All of them. They want California and New York to choose the President. In fact the money Jill Stein collected for the recount and never spent is being used to challenge the American voting system.
      
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      February 19, 2017 10:21am
      - Biscuit
        
        Chuck, no, but I don’t see why they can’t close all the polls simultaneously like we do here.
        
        Or maybe require those in the West to vote a day early?
        
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        February 19, 2017 2:05pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Biscuit , why dif your forget the genuine landslide EC victory in 1964 ,( LBJ )and 1984 ( Ronald Reagan) ?
    
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    February 19, 2017 12:29pm
    - Biscuit
      
      The same thing applies, though, stephieboy – landslide wins meant that anyone voting in California (the most populous US state) knew his/her vote meant NOTHING in the great scheme of things.
      
      Elections these days are decided in places like Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin…
      
      Not a western state amongst them!
      
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      February 19, 2017 2:09pm
      - pentwig
        
        Biscuit
        That is far too comprehensible for steffie.
        
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        February 19, 2017 7:54pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    The win by John Quincy founded and established the Democrats as the major opposition party. Under Andrew Jackson the 7th President. And it was because the majority of the public got sick of the EC being used by the elite. Also attack politics came into vogue, Jacksons 2nd wife was eviscerated by the press and it contributed to her death (after he was President Elect and before the inauguration)
    
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    February 19, 2017 3:21pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Also interesting to note that the media attacked Jackson’s spelling and education and ended up alienating themselves from the average voter who didn’t spell or write like the elite do, causing more people to vote Jackson. Lots of similarities to what they are doing to Trump today, it’s like they don’t even history.
      
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      February 19, 2017 3:35pm
- holysheet
  
  Stupidboy, I read the first sentence and immediately scrolled to the end. Yep, my suspicion was correct. Not a comma out of place, no gaps between letters. I thought Stupidboy didn’t think this up, let alone write it. That was just from the first sentence.
  Anyone can cut and paste. I suggest you do so every time, as it make easier reading.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:32am
  - RichardX
    
    The quote marks weren’t enough of a clue for you?
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:26am
  - stephieboy
    
    holyturd , the facts are Trump’s Electoral College victory was not remotely comparable to 1964.1984 ,1998 amd including Obama’s
    
    Demonstrate otherwise ?
    
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    February 19, 2017 3:47pm
    - realityczech
      
      stephieboy, sources ?
      
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      February 19, 2017 3:49pm
      - pentwig
        
        Good grief Chez!
        You are asking steffie to justify its inane comments!
        Duh!
        
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        February 19, 2017 7:58pm
Chuck Bird

I would be interested what GoVege thinks of this.

Vegan cafe launches furious rant at customers

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11801696
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February 19, 2017 8:58am
- realityczech
  
  “They asked one customer: “When exactly are you going to die?”
  
  When one disgusted customer, Bethany Stanley, cancelled her visit to the cafe due to the comments, she was told: “F*** you Bethany, and f*** your plans!”
  
  The couple then made a series of memes repeating this message, including a Hiter-themed video.”
  
  No surprise. Vegans are driven by hate. They are disgusting people.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:01am
  - holysheet
    
    Just like all lefty snowflakes, they cannot accept losing anything with the grace and decorum of us on the right.
    The customer is always right. It’s only when they are out of earshot that you start to abuse and rant about them. Then you act all nice in the hope that they get over themselves and eventually will come back.
    The left are so filled with hate and cannot see the harm they do to their cause. I blame it on their upbringing. They have been told there are no losers, that every one is a winner. It’s only in the real world that the shit hits the fan and they cannot cope.
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:20am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Almost, the customer is not always right but the customer is always the customer and the one who ultimately pays for you children’s shoes; ignore (or in this instance, berate) your customer at your peril.
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:26am
  - Biscuit
    
    Realityczech, I once turned down an invitation to an acquaintance’s wedding because I knew that both he and she were vegetarians.
    
    My logic was that there’d definitely be no Meat Eaters’ option on the wedding meal.
    
    But, should I invite those two veggies to any wedding of MINE, there’d be hell to pay if I didn’t offer THEM a vegetarian option, right?
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:22am
    - Inandout
      
      I would have smuggled in a couple of cooked sausages and found a secluded spot to devour them with the rabbit food.
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:24am
    - realityczech
      
      Biscuit, you are a good bastard. 🙂
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:31am
      - Biscuit
        
        Realityc, I laughed – that marriage struggled to get much past the honeymoon…
        
        No veggie children, though, so it wasn’t ALL bad!
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:23am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Yes. People with eating disorders like this seem to always dominate normal people in social situations, where we invariably go out of our way to facilitate their fetishes – but this is almost never reciprocated.
      
      I have family members who are vegetarians and now they have stopped visiting, I suspect because we serve meat (along with other food) at dinners and drinks functions. They seem to view us as somehow ‘unclean’. Sad.
      
      One surefire way to separate yourself from the mainstream culture is to develop an eating disorder. Muslims have their halal, organic freaks have their ‘whole foods’, paleos have their caveman diet etc and always the people with the fetishes either win out or separate themselves from society.
      
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      February 19, 2017 10:28am
      - cmm
        
        “People with eating disorders…”
        
        It’s all very well having an eating disorder, but there’s no need to turn it into a personality disorder.
        
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        February 19, 2017 11:07am
- kowtow
  
  Good thing they’re vegans and not Christians otherwise they’d already be in court for “hate crime”.
  
  http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/ashers-to-take-gay-cake-discrimination-case-to-uk-supreme-court-35314307.html
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:53am
- waikatogirl
  
  Seriously, talk about a couple of arrogant self-absorbed nutters. No business will survive without regular custom. Way to alienate people and influence your cashflow!
  
  Sounds like they need an excellent steak. Calm and serenity would be restored to their inner-being. ?
  
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  February 19, 2017 11:14am
  - Biscuit
    
    Waiktaogirl, I am equal-opportunist so I try not to discriminate against anyone, even if their choices aren’t mine.
    
    Was reading a story earlier about some florist in the US who refused to deliver flowers to a gay couple.
    
    Apparently it was against her principles.
    
    You’re a bloody flower arranger, I wanted to scream.
    
    And I wanted to point out that, given that your average gay generally has a bigger discretionary spending allowance than your common boring straight, ha, why antagonise such a group with such unrequired thinking…
    
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    February 19, 2017 11:29am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Why…? Its called having principles.
      
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      February 19, 2017 6:12pm
- Lance
  
  A couple of half wits from the other side of the world making piss poor business decisions does hardly a generalisation make.
  Considering the criticism here of the MSM blowing things out of proportion, a bit less drivel might be in order.
  
  I do like my meat HOWEVER I do note around Auckland the vege / vegan food places are doing a roaring trade with hardly a seat available most of the day. High prices and eager customers.
  They look like smart business people to me.
  They have spotted a niche and are exploiting it, and the down side is????
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:11pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    There type of business choice isn’t the issue, it was their business decision to alienate their loyal customers by cutting off the internet, then abusing their customers when they didn’t agree with the decision.
    
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    February 19, 2017 7:18pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  More lefties going feral
  
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  February 19, 2017 5:08pm
KevOB

There was a time when Kings were changed many about the Palace were killed to remove opportunism. Later parliament and the King came to understand peaceful continuity which led to less turmoil and changes of titles to estates and requirements to bear burdens of war.

Obama has not gone peacefully but has politically booby trapped his successor with amongst other things late changes by order.

This legacy will have to be removed quickly and possibly by extreme action. Only one lawful government can operate.

The judiciary too are not government: if they were we would have the nonsensical situation of them having to approve each immigrant under a usurping court’s current ruling. When activism crosses boundaries it gets into strange places.

Let’s keep US politics out of NZ.
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February 19, 2017 9:23am
- realityczech
  
  Trump can learn a thing or two from the left. Time for a purge.
  
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  February 19, 2017 9:32am
  - holysheet
    
    It’s called draining the putrid swamp that is the Washington elites.
    Give him time, most will see the writing on the wall and leave of their own accord.
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:47am
    - Lance
      
      And you actually think Trump will do this and not simply replace one set of swamp creatures with another set of swamp creatures?
      
      I love the naivety.
      
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      February 19, 2017 12:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yes, but they will be ‘our’ swamp creatures.
        Not stooges of the left.
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:33pm
    - stephieboy
      
      holyturd ,
      
      draining the putrid swamp ?
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Trump+draining+the+swamp&client=safari&rls=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjqquaJ85rSAhVEp5QKHYoaCDUQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=911#imgrc=wUQ_GNalwgrr8M:
      
      Now joking aside !
      
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      February 19, 2017 1:28pm
      - realityczech
        
        stephieboy’s dreams are shattered 🙂
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBMvR_RnKu4
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:32pm
- Paulus
  
  To say Obama has gone peacefully is an Oxymoron.
  He is going round the country, at great expense to the listeners, trying to do everything he can undermine the Democratically Elected President.
  He left the position with many deliberate serious stuff ups for the incoming President, although these were not perpetrated until after the election, when his “friend” Hillary had not won, albeit the Obama’s had often been humiliated by the Clintons..
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:51pm
  - Komata
    
    Paulus
    
    On the basis of such actions I would have thought that that would be likely to incur arrest on the basis of sedition (ie ‘Willfully and deliberately acting against the elected government or king’).
    
    One hopes that they are being considered.
    
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    February 19, 2017 5:10pm
Manolo

Merkel, currently living in la-la land, doubles down:
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/589410/Angela-Merkel-more-refugees-Syria-Iraq-German-chancellor-terrorism-ISIS

The embattled leader says Europe has an obligation to take displaced people from Syria and Iraq.

She also said Islam “is not the cause of terrorism” and that combatting extremism needs the cooperation of Muslim countries.
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February 19, 2017 9:41am
- Inandout
  
  She has really lost it this time. There is among some Germans a screw loose, and they are consumed with guilt because of what their forefathers did.
  
  This account from a former German student shows probably the most common reaction to WW2 history:
  
  Reactions in my class were roughly like this:
  
  At beginning: “What the… what is this I don’t even… You mean this really happened?”
  Next time: “GAH, holy fricking… thats unspeakable. How can humans do this? Fu…”
  Later: “Damn there really was some insane shit going on. Those nazis were horrible assholes.”
  Even later: “Wow, I never considered it from that angle before.. that makes it even worse!”
  Even later: “Yeah, that time was truly awful. We really have to make sure it never happens again!”
  Even later: “Right, so this is another example of that odd disassociation mechanic at work in the government officials. But actually, one shocking aspect that noone else seems to notice is that…”
  Even later: “Ah that topic again… oh well.”
  Even later: *sigh* (silently) We already get it, you know…
  Even later: *big sigh* (sílently) Again? Really? Come oooooooon, WE GET IT DAMMIT.
  Even later: *inarticulate groan*
  Even later: “…go away. Please?”
  
  Obviously Merkel didn’t get to the last 5 reactions.
  
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  February 19, 2017 10:36am
  - realityczech
    
    Anyone who knows history can tell you what the Germans did is not even in the top 3 of modern histories evils. Far worse has happened since and is happening now.
    
    The worst thing the Germans did was lose to the communist Russians who were far worse and killed over 20 million.
    
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    February 19, 2017 1:37pm
    - stephieboy
      
      realityczech, the Nazis equalled Stalin’s total of 20 million with their invasion of Russia . Not forgetting the 6 million Jews and other mayhem they caused in occupied Europe etc ,
      
      http://warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm
      
      BTW the 6 million Jews or so all fake ?
      
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      February 19, 2017 1:59pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        26 million Russians died you xenophobic cunt!
        But THE JOOOOOS!
        
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        February 19, 2017 4:43pm
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS, 20 million Russians are estimated to have died during Operation Barbarossa ( both civilian and military ) including 1.5 million Jews living there during the Nazi occupation !
        
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        February 19, 2017 6:18pm
- Komata
  
  This si what occurs when self-delusion is coupled with an absolute faith in a failed ideology.
  
  Merkel the Mad really believes that what she is doing is actually for the common (ie ‘globalist’) good and that she will ultimately be vindicated for her ‘high-principled ‘ actions and that her fellow Germans will even thank her for her thoughtfulness.
  
  Ivory towers have their disadvantages and I would suspect she hasn’t recently ‘wandered the streets’ of Berlin after dark…
  
  It could be an ‘educational experience’ if she did so.
  
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  February 19, 2017 5:16pm
Hugh Pavletich

… Why did this event get so badly out of control ? …

CHRISTCHURCH FIRES: Communications and cordons heavily criticised at Port Hills meeting … Fairfax

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/89559332/communications-and-cordons-heavily-criticised-at-port-hills-meeting

Christchurch leaders faced a barrage of criticism at a fiery meeting with hundreds of Port Hills residents still cordoned out of their homes on Saturday morning.

An emotional mayor Lianne Dalziel admitted many of the communications problems from the earthquakes had been repeated. “In an emergency the mayor of a city doesn’t have a very specific role. I am not a decision maker when it comes to cordons … but I am accountable to you.”

Communications and the five remaining cordons were the target of much of the criticism. Who exactly was to blame for errors was not clear, with many speakers seeking to clarify that they were acting on the advice and orders of others. … read more via hyperlink above …

Superb Port Hills fire graphic and photos … Fairfax

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/89557824/Two-to-three-atom-bombs-of-energy-in-Port-Hills-fire?cid=app-iPad

… compare Selwyn performance … nothing of course has been learnt on the Christchurch City Council front …

Better communication can shine a light in the darkness | Perspective | Stuff.co.nz … Brendon Burns … February 2012 …

http://i.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/perspective/6380541/Better-communication-can-shine-a-light-in-the-darkness

extract …

… For this city to best recover from its seismic nightmare, the process of decision- making needs to be inverted to truly empower communities. Such a radical change is very difficult to accept for anyone – of any political persuasion – who happens to be in power.

To date, the required response is tokenistic. A top-down command and control system may be appropriate in the days after a disaster but not in a recovery which will take years. Among the ultimate victims will be those who talk the talk but don’t walk the walk when it comes to true community engagement. Just look at the Christchurch City Council. …
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February 19, 2017 9:57am
- Happychappy
  
  But just like you Hugh its easy to blame people for the job they do but then again it you and that is your claim to fame. No body has your self appointed credentials.
  
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  February 19, 2017 10:15am
  - Paulus
    
    You know as you are being told by the so called media that it was all Gerry Brownlee’s fault.
    
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    February 19, 2017 1:54pm
- realityczech
  
  It was not a disaster. It was a scrub fire that burnt a few houses. Next spring you won’t even know it happened.
  
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  February 19, 2017 11:12am
  - Biscuit
    
    Indeed, realityc, it was all just another instance of the ‘disaster porn’ that the media love inflicting on us.
    
    A wee bit of snow and its ‘CHAOS AS WINTER STRIKES’ when, day by day, we see pics from places like Maine where the snow is metres deep.
    
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    February 19, 2017 11:31am
    - stephieboy
      
      Biscuit and realityczech,
      
      we will just have to wait when your houses are burnt to a cinder ,
      
      http://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/news/99651/eight_col_20170217_130403.jpg?1487291806
      
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      February 19, 2017 1:32pm
      - realityczech
        
        The owners were well insured. So well in fact, that they did not bother with a decent fire break around their homes.
        
        A localised grass fire was enough to burn it down.
        
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        February 19, 2017 1:34pm
      - Biscuit
        
        I’m not saying that it wasn’t a disaster to the folk involved, stephieboy, but in the great scheme of things it was a very minor affair.
        
        Flying Wendy/Simon/the more feminine one of Close Up to Christchurch achieved what that we couldn’t have been told from them, reading their autocue in Auckland.
        
        ‘Disaster porn’, as I said…
        
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        February 19, 2017 2:14pm
      - RF
        
        I guess you need to watch a fire covering over 2000 hectares heading your way at a fast rate to appreciate just how serious it was in Christchurch. Agreed that only 11 houses destroyed but don’t forget 100s damaged by heat / smoke.
        
        The speed of the flames would have overcome any firebreaks.
        
        All of this is on top of earthquakes so ChCh folk are a tad twitchy.
        
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        February 19, 2017 3:19pm
- cmm
  
  I’m not sure you really want to know.
  
  Some years I had a chat with a rural fireman about how they coordinate between crews and said something like:”Well I suppose you can get people from the city or help them too.”
  
  Nope he said, there’s a huge problem caused by the rural firefighters being volunteers and the city fire fighters being professionals. The fire fighters’ union NZPFU are major shit stirrers (who would have thought!!!) who keep on calling for the rural firefighters to be shut down etc. because they are not “professionals” and thus not safe to work with.
  
  When they have tried to cooperate in the past, the NZFPU then had long wailing sessions about disagreements about how to do things or policy on how long to keep people in the field etc etc. And these always got politicised by NZFPU.
  
  Therefore rural firefighters in Selwyn would rather call for help from Rangiora or South Canterbury (50-100km away) than try to get help from Christchurch (20km away).
  
  It also leads to people taking chances to avoid the shitstorm created by the NZPFU politicking.
  
  And it works the other way too: Christchurch would see it as a loss of face to call on the rural fire fighters they put down so much.
  
  And sure as nuts, we see on Thursday and Friday the NZPFU making a huge song and dance about rural fire mismanagement.
  
  The only way this will be resolved is if a higher authority (Civil Defense) whacks their heads together and forces them to find ways to work together. For that to happen, NZPFU and their shitstirring are going to have to get out of the way.
  
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  February 19, 2017 11:23am
  - realityczech
    
    cmm, there is a massive restructure underway that will fix all that. Its already happening.
    
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    February 19, 2017 12:57pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Its bloody Civil Defence. They haven’t a clue. Most of Africa is a light with bush fires because its part of the normal cycle of regrowth there, and besides a few serious fuck ups in Cape Town recently these fires go on almost unnoticed. Fly north at night between Jo Burg and Europe and you see them burning away, supplying Ozone to the atmosphere and ensuring proteas will live on to see another day…
    
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    February 19, 2017 5:33pm
- Gabby
  
  The council needs to hire a manager with private sector experience who is used to a massive salary and fat expenses. He’ll keep facts out of the papers.
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:51pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Are you suggesting Bernie Monk?
    
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    February 19, 2017 4:48pm
Manolo

Another Greek tragedy in the making?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/18/world/europe/greece-bailout-black-market.html

With the Greek government pushing through more tax increases to comply with austerity requirements, more than 21,000 self-employed workers and small firms have shut down in the past two months, with many seeking help from accountants like Mr. Tsamopoulos to close their books. Yet many are not actually closing their businesses.
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February 19, 2017 10:35am
realityczech

Out of control social engineering police raid farmers homes and conduct a mass Gun-Grab.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/89383876/Gun-confiscated-as-Marlborough-farmers-battle-quake-trauma
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February 19, 2017 10:59am
- cmm
  
  Irrational hysteria!
  
  They are only doing this with people identified to be suicide risks. No doubt well over 90% of the farmers in the area have not been affected and still have their firearms.
  
  This is a function the cops are required to perform by law. And when they get it wrong dickheads blame the cops for letting the person commit suicide.
  
  Of course if people really wants to top themselves the lack of a gun won’t stop them.
  
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  February 19, 2017 11:30am
  - realityczech
    
    Yes that’s right, the armed state is doing if for “our own good”. Of course they are.
    
    Same story Mao, Stalin and Pol Pot used.
    
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    February 19, 2017 4:59pm
    - cmm
      
      Nobody’s come for my guns…
      
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      February 19, 2017 5:14pm
- nasska
  
  From RC’s link:
  
  ….”Any firearm confiscation was based on complaints or concerns of those in the area and by what police noticed on the ground, Smith said.”…..
  
  So when does the farmer get his firearms & licence back? When the know alls, gun haters & do gooders decide?
  
  Suicide isn’t even illegal yet parliament empowers these control freaks to remove legally owned goods because something MAY happen.
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  realityczech etc , you all the local publicty officers for the NRA ?
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:33pm
  - pentwig
    
    Your point being steffiie?
    
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    February 19, 2017 8:07pm
    - Rich Prick
      
      This will send it into a mega melt down, I’m a member of the NRA. Tallahassee gun shows are to be recommended, the best in the South.
      
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      February 19, 2017 8:18pm
DifferentPerspective

How you can tell if a Minister is a moron

Bridges – the man who will turn up to the opening of an envelope – announced the opening of the Mackays to Peka Peka part of the Wellington Road of National Significance.

The only problem – the road isn’t open!

Call me old fashioned, but if you open something – you kind of expect it to be … well OPEN!

Apparently, the road actually will be open (for real this time) sometime before the end of February!

(So in March then!)

Clearly the uber lightweight Mr Bridges is quite happy to turn up for the non-opening opening ceremony and he doesn’t see any credibility issues with proudly opening a closed bit of road.

Looks like Mr 21% and his team are firing on all one cylinder this year!

(What next?
– Tax cuts where GST goes up to 17.5%?
– cuts in the refugee quota from 1000 to 2000 per annum
– reduction in the size of Parliament from 120 to 200?)
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February 19, 2017 11:36am
- Happychappy
  
  DP/ That’s all Bill English needs to put away a inept wannabe weak Leader like Andrew Little.
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:25pm
SGA

Watching the Trump rally in Florida – “Ride of the Valkyries” playing on a loop at the event it looks like. Interesting choice 🙂 🙂 🙂
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February 19, 2017 11:40am
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yddV0zOww9E#action=share

BREXIT & Donald Trump Visit – PM Theresa May SHREDS Jeremy Corbyn

Bravo!!!
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February 19, 2017 11:45am
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liHCCFCZfXY

CBS’s Dickerson: Media Ruined Its Own Reputation
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February 19, 2017 11:47am
stephieboy

Donald Trump as a pygmy ,

“Behold Tiny Trump: New memes showing the President in a smaller light are the latest to take the internet by storm”

The internet is photoshopping a small Donald Trump into regular photos
Hundreds of Tiny Trump memes have surfaced since Thursday night
People are editing images of the President so he looks about four-feet tall

It is no secret Donald Trump feels strongly about his public perception.

He has previously fired up publicly when he was mocked for having small hands and he slammed Saturday Night Live’s impersonation of him as a ‘complete hit job’.

But no matter how much the President works to prove himself as a big leader, there’s always those willing to bring him down to something a little smaller.

Behold the latest meme taking the internet by storm: Tiny Trumps.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4236568/Memes-Tiny-Trump-internet-storm.html#ixzz4Z55Y2ex8
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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February 19, 2017 12:09pm
- holysheet
  
  Stupidboy, when will you learn that size does not matter. Did your goat ever complain when you “did” it, that you were too small?
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    holyturd , is it true that your a midget ??
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:01pm
    - holysheet
      
      Not according to Mrs Holy, It’s just a shame your goat cannot say the same about you.
      
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      February 19, 2017 2:56pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  If the memes quell the tears for 1/2 hour then I am happy for you Steph.
  
  You poor thing. Bless.
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:45pm
- realityczech
  
  Hilarious stephieboy. Have you seen the photo shopped ones of Obama yet ?
  
  You love this stuff so I am sure you will get a great kick out of it.
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=obama+monkey&rlz=1C1JZAP_enNZ696NZ696&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj32-aH7prSAhXKwbwKHXQ0BM4Q_AUICCgB&biw=994&bih=441
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:04pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Sorry reality… you just don’t get it.
    
    It’s OK when the Left do it – if it’s anyone else then it’s “Dirty Politics” and “Waaaaaah where’s ma safe space”.
    
    You’re wasting your time with Stephie – his self awareness is locked away in a box with a lost key (along with Hillary’s political nous and Obama’s integrity).
    
    Unless he evolves instantaneously, he isn’t ever going to get it.
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:13pm
    - pentwig
      
      Yes DP
      But while we tolerate the person known as steffie on KB at least we know that young Muslim teenagers can feel safe in cafes around Mt Roskill and the surrounds.
      We put up with its inane comments to protect the young of our cosmopolitan society.
      We can hold our heads up high and with pride.
      
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      February 19, 2017 8:22pm
Paul Marsden

Probably the best speech ever by a US President just delivered by Trump in Florida. Simply brilliant.
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February 19, 2017 12:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  What else would a true believer say !
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:24pm
  - Paul Marsden
    
    History will confirm what I say is correct and that snowflakes like you, will be consigned to it.
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:33pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Paul Marsden , chicken or rabbit entrails preferred for you’re soothsaying ?
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:50pm
Happychappy

So Cadburys Chocolate is pulling out of NZ from their Dunedin factory with the loss of two to three hundred jobs and the obese clown from the Greens is calling it a Manufacturing crisis in NZ. This coming from the same idiots that want to create a sugar tax in NZ and they wonder why Cadburys has decided to leave. Maybe this is or maybe not the reason they are leaving but I would bet my bottom dollar if Labour and the Greens obtain power the stream of business leaving our shores will twofold.
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February 19, 2017 12:45pm
- Gabby
  
  Germy Browneye will be shattered, but you could tell him where you get your crappy choccies, chappy.
  
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  February 19, 2017 12:59pm
wiseowl

Yes Paul.
A great speech and some very important points made that our politicians would be wise to take heed of.
Trouble is they will not get the message at a time when our country should be right behind the USA .

Contrast with Zuckerburg who is all for globalisation.
Who voted for him?
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February 19, 2017 12:45pm
- Komata
  
  Wiseowl
  
  Re: ‘Contrast with Zuckerburg who is all for globalisation.
  Who voted for him?’
  
  Three people: me, myself and I; Mr Zuckerburg knows EVERYTHING …
  
  (Well, he has convinced himself he does).
  
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  February 19, 2017 5:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Zuckerburg is for reality . We live in the internet and global tele communications age .
  
  Not a Polish dinosaur protectionist shipyard age !
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:28pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Back from dinner Creepyboy?
    Your wife would have you eating Humble Pie after you got banned for your Porno links- lol
    
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    February 19, 2017 8:43pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Wed , so you do believe in moving the clock back to the great days of Muldoon’s think big ?
      
      DUH !
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        What an idiot.
        
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        February 19, 2017 10:49pm
Manolo

Merkel’s days could be numbered:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/martin-schulz-candidacy-has-merkel-on-the-defensive-a-1134302.html#ref=nl-international

With just six months until Germans go to the polls, Angela Merkel’s re-election is looking less certain by the week. Martin Schulz is a dangerous adversary and his Social Democrats are full of the kind of enthusiasm that the chancellor’s party lacks.
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February 19, 2017 1:01pm
Chuck Bird

Sometimes experts lack common sense. I wonder if she is ugly and that is why she converted to Islam.

Struck-off prison psychologist’s secret marriage to Australian gang rapist

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/89568194/struckoff-prison-psychologists-secret-marriage-to-australian-gang-rapist
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February 19, 2017 1:10pm
- Komata
  
  CB
  
  Sadly, this is not unusual, despite running totally counter to all go ethical and professional practices. New Zealand has had its share of similar occurances over the years.
  
  Evidently, for such ladies’ ‘Bad Boys’ have a great allure…
  
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  February 19, 2017 5:32pm
Michael

Global warming in action.

http://en.newsner.com/man-points-camera-at-ice-then-captures-the-unimaginable-on-film/about/nature
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February 19, 2017 1:12pm
- stephieboy
  
  Michael ,
  
  Extreme weather events = climate change ( GWD )
  
  Duh !
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:36pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Doh weather does not equal anthropogenic CC!
    
    Weather = weather.
    
    No appreciable change in global temperatures for 2 decades (excepting in doctored records) = NO CC
    
    But if you persist with believing the greatest fake news story ever – then I have this lovely bridge for sale we should talk about.
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:15pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      No no no no, Phil Goff needs that bridge as capital to finance the train set.
      Edit:
      Unless stupidboy wants to lend Auckland Council a few billion bucks
      
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      February 19, 2017 5:32pm
- realityczech
  
  I checked it out. It looks bloody freezing there. Totally lifeless with endless ice.
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:48pm
  - stephieboy
    
    That’s correct . An extreme weather event = climate change .
    
    Duh, yet again!
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:03pm
Manolo

Isn’t Canada the greatest country on earth?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4236446/Nine-people-flee-U-S-border-patrol-seek-asylum-Canada.html
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February 19, 2017 1:36pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  Not really. That is why I am happy to live in NZ.
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:52pm
- kowtow
  
  Hahahaha.
  
  America’s gain is Canada’s loss.
  
  And funnier yet is these illegal immigrants , had they crossed the border at an approved crossing would have their claims denied and therefor the y cross illegally in order to claim to be refugees.
  
  The whole refugee farce needs to be reformed to protect the genuine , to discourage the scammers and to prevent mass movements of economic migrants, many who die in the attempt, and who will milk the west of its hard worked for taxes.
  
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  February 19, 2017 2:26pm
- Komata
  
  And curiously (despite their wailing and crying) there is not one American actor anywhere in sight…
  
  Surely they need the publicity…?
  
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  February 19, 2017 5:40pm
realityczech

Dow zooms over 1,200 points since Trump victory

Before the election, prominent stock pickers warned the Dow would plunge 1,000 points if Donald Trump was elected. In reality, the exact opposite has happened.
Trump euphoria has sent the index up over 1,200 points in the four weeks since Trump’s shocking defeat of Hillary Clinton. On Wednesday, a burst of buying has sent the Dow surging nearly 300 points to new all-time highs.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/12/07/investing/trump-dow-jones-1000-points-election/
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February 19, 2017 1:45pm
- stephieboy
  
  You deluded buffoon !
  
  Wall Street falls the most this year as Trump honeymoon ,
  
  sourshttp://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-idUSKBN15E1B2
  
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  February 19, 2017 2:05pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    you deluded buffoon
    
    says the individual (see how I carefully avoided the use of any kind of gender insensitive pronoun) who can’t construct an understandable sentence!
    
    Pot, meet the ever so slightlyun-self-aware kettle!
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:19pm
  - realityczech
    
    US Economy picking up MAJOR steam under Trump! Full-time Jobs Soar to Record Highs!!!
    
    Full-Time Jobs Soar By 457K to a Record High; Part-Time Jobs Tumble By 490K under Trump.
    
    Donald J. Trump is about to ride us into an era of economic prosperity the likes of which the world has never seen.
    
    https://resurgencemedia.net/2017/02/03/us-economy-picking-up-steam-under-trump-full-time-jobs-soar-to-record-highs/
    
    🙂
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      realityczech, the growth in job caused by Trump’s magic wand or did he move over them,?
      
      Genesis 1:2
      
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      February 19, 2017 3:53pm
      - realityczech
        
        Note my source. Even the bloody Guardian could not bury the story. So much fail for you loser 🙂
        
        “Trump reaches deal to keep 1,000 jobs at Indiana plant from moving to Mexico
        
        Workers were waiting to hear details about how many jobs would remain in the US and how the president-elect had persuaded Carrier to keep jobs in the state
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/29/donald-trump-indiana-factory-jobs-carrier-mexico
        
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        February 19, 2017 4:03pm
      - stephieboy
        
        realityczech ,700 of those jobs will still go to Mexcio and also in return Trump promised corporate welfare in the form of tax breaks .
        
        $700,000 to paid in 10 instaments over 10 years ,
        
        https://johnhively.wordpress.com/2016/12/09/trumpland-the-carrier-corporation-saved-jobs-myth/
        
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        February 19, 2017 5:52pm
      - realityczech
        
        Thanks stephieboy but I can just read Stuffed if I want:
        
        ***************FAKE NEWS******************
        
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        February 19, 2017 6:00pm
Tom Barker

Prominent author on US President:
“a Fanta-faced, falangist fuck-puppy”
(Irvine Welsh, author “Trainspotting”)

You’ve got to admit – that’s pretty good.
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February 19, 2017 1:55pm
- realityczech
  
  Can you dredge up any comments on the www about Obama’s skin colour for us ?
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:58pm
  - itstricky
    
    If he’d done a half-arsed bleaching job on his face with a bit of Janola, you might have a point.
    
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    February 19, 2017 4:42pm
- Paul Marsden
  
  Welsh might need to lay off those drugs he’s busy writing about
  
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  February 19, 2017 1:59pm
- cha
  
  Or –
  
  Yer tangerine nazi rapeclown’s fuckin loathed
  
  […]
  
  wi yon prissy-lipped and fright-wigged
  fake-tanned baby-handit Nazi bandit’s
  
  – From Scotland With Love
  
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  February 19, 2017 2:10pm
- Komata
  
  Falangist??? Wow, I didn’t know that Welsh was THAT old…
  
  Hopefully he won’t inflict a singing of the ‘Himno de Riego’ on an unsuspecting world ; that would be simply too cruel.
  
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  February 19, 2017 5:46pm
realityczech

Watching the Trump rally is very uplifting. So much energy, joy and positivity. The whole thing is inclusive and inspirational. They want everyone to do well.

Compare it with the nasty pessimistic hate of Hillary and Obama supporters, who only speak of division and gloom.

Sucks to be them 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VxkHAyeIts
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February 19, 2017 2:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  One deluded rally member ,
  
  “One supporter, Gene Huber from West Palm Beach, said the decision to hold a rally was not a concern. “No jitters at all,” he told the AFP news agency. “This is a world leader now who’s taking control.”
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39018096
  
  Trump needs to get over himself , grow up and learn how to govern !
  
  Instead of sulky , sooky crybaby blaming MSM
  
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  February 19, 2017 2:10pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    You just keep walking in to them SB.
    
    Instead of sulky, sooky crybaby blaming MSM
    
    You just look really, really full of dino pooh when you attack Trump for doing exactly the same as the dahlings of the Left.
    
    You are just so full of fake news it’s laughable.
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      DP, yes but Trump has taken it new heights of Paranoia and hysteria !
      
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      February 19, 2017 6:22pm
  - realityczech
    
    “Instead of sulky , sooky crybaby blaming MSM”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grD_IINiH9c
    
    Bwaaaaaahahahahahahaa 🙂 🙂 🙂
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:26pm
- Biscuit
  
  A transcript of the affair:
  
  (Sorry for the Penny/Hugh length … but at least mine is READABLE, heh heh):
  
  Melania Trump
  Thank you. Let us pray. Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed is your name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespasses against us. Lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever and ever. Amen.
  
  Good afternoon. It is my honor and great pleasure to stand here before you as the First Lady of the United States. The mid— the America we envision is one that works for all Americans, and where all Americans can work and succeed. A nation committed to a greater civility and unity between people from all sides of the political divide. I will always stay true to myself and be truthful to you, no matter what the opposition is saying about me.
  
  I will act in the best interest of all of you. I am committed to creating and supporting initiatives geared to my heart, which will have impacts on women and children all around the world.
  
  My husband is creating a country of great safety and prosperity. Ladies and gentlemen, I’m proud to introduce the President of the United States, Donald Trump.
  
  President Trump
  Thank you, everybody, thank you. I didn’t know that Melania was going to be saying the Lord’s Prayer, but I thought that was very beautiful, thank you, thank you.
  
  It’s so great to be here in Florida. My second home with you. This is a state I truly love. This is a state where we all had great victory together. Thank you.
  
  It’s now been a month since my inauguration. And I am here to tell you about our incredible progress in making America great again. I’m also here to tell you about our plans for the future and they’re big and they’re bold and It’s what our country is all about, believe me.
  
  I’m here because I want to be among my friends and among the people. This was a great movement, a movement like has never been seen before in our country our probably anywhere else. This was a truly great movement And I want to be here with you, and I will always be with you. I promise you that. I want to be in a room filled with hard working American patriots who love their country, who salute their flag and who pray for a better future.
  
  I also want to speak to you without the filter of the fake news. The dishonest media which has published one false story after another with no sources, even though they pretend they have them, they make them up in many cases, they just don’t want to report the truth and they’ve been calling us wrong now for two years. They don’t get it. By they’re starting to get it. I can tell you that. They’ve become a big part of the problem. They are part of the corrupt system. Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and Abraham Lincoln and many of our greatest presidents fought with the media and called them out often times on their lies. When the media lies to people, I will never, ever let them get away with it. I will do whatever I can that. They don’t get away with it.
  
  They have their own agenda and their agenda is not your agenda. In fact, Thomas Jefferson said, “nothing can be believed which is seen in a newspaper.” “Truth itself,” he said, “becomes suspicious by being put into that polluted vehicle,” that was June 14, my birthday, 1807. But despite all their lies, misrepresentations, and false stories, they could not defeat us in the primaries, and they could not defeat us in the general election, and we will continue to expose them for what they are, and most importantly, we will continue to win, win, win.
  
  We are not going to let the fake news tell us what to do, how to live, or what to believe. We are free and independent people and we will make our own choices.
  
  We are here today to speak the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. I hear your demands, I hear your voices and I promise you I will deliver. I promise that. And by the way, you’ve seen what we’ve accomplished in a very short period of time. The White House is running so smoothly. So smoothly. And believe me, I and we inherited one big mess. That I can tell you, but I know that you want safe neighborhoods where the streets belong to families and communities, not gang members and drug dealers who are right now as I speak being thrown out of the country and they will not be let back in.
  
  We will have strong borders again, and I mean that. You’ve seen it in television. You’ve seen it on television. General Kelly, now Secretary Kelly, he’s really doing the job. You’re seeing it. The gang members, bad, bad people. I said day one, and they’re going out. Or they’re being put in prison, but for the most part, get them the hell out of here. Bring them back to where they came from.
  
  The fact is, you want great schools for your children. You want good high paying jobs for yourselves and for your loved ones and for the future of your families. You want a health care system and by the way, we are going to be submitting in a couple of weeks a great healthcare plan that’s going to take the place of the disaster known as Obamacare.
  
  It will be repealed and replaced. For those people. The people put into rooms where Republicans are talking about the plan, and it wouldn’t matter what they say, for those people just so you understand, our plan will be much better health care at a much lower coast. Okay? Nothing to complain about. Obamacare remember, it is a disaster.
  
  You want low cost American energy also, which means lifting the restrictions on oil, on shell, on natural gas and on clean, very clean coal. We’re going to put the miners back to work. The miners go back to work.
  
  You want us to enforce immigration laws and defend our borders.
  
  You want fair trade deals and a level playing field. We don’t have a level playing field. Because you understand that when American workers win, America as a country wins and wins big. And every country over the last long period of time has been taking advantage of the [inaudible] of our politicians. It’s not going to happen any longer.
  
  You want lower taxes. Less regulation. Millions of new jobs and more product stamped with those beautiful, beautiful words, “Made in the USA.” You want to make it easy for companies to do business in America. And harder for companies to leave. We don’t want companies saying, everybody is fired. We’re moving to another country. We’re going to make the product. Sell it across the border and isn’t that wonderful. Not going happen anymore.
  
  We’re going to have strong borders and when they want to sell that product back across our border, they’re going to pay a 35% tax and you know what, they’re never going to leave. They will never, ever leave.
  
  And you’ve seen that because I’ve already displayed it for the last two months even before I got into office. They’re not leaving. And if they do, they’re going to pay a big price for terminating the relationship with our workers. You want a government that serves the people not the donors and special interest. You want a government that keeps its promises.
  
  A great spirit of optimism is sweeping and you see it. it’s sweeping all across the country. Look at what’s happening to the stock market. Look at what’s happening to the every poll when it comes to optimism in our country. It’s sweeping across the country. And, in fact, every day for the last long period of days this stock market means, companies, have been hitting new highs. They’re going to start highs. It’s going to be a new day in America. You’re going to be proud again.
  
  Jobs are already starting to pour back in. They’re coming back in like you haven’t seen in a long time. Ford, General Motors, Fiat, Chrysler are bringing in and bringing back thousands of jobs investing billions of dollars because of the new business climate that we are creating in our country. In Arizona, Intel, great company, just announced it will open a new plant that will create at least 10,000 brand new beautiful American jobs.
  
  I followed through on my promise to withdraw from the job killing disaster known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. TPP, we have just terminated our relationship to it. We’re going to have tremendous trade deals all over the world, but they’re going to be bilateral or as we would say, one-on-one. None of these deals where we get caught in quicksand. Get mired in and we can’t do anything about it. By the way, NAFTA and so many others.
  
  My administration has begun plans to crack down on foreign cheating and currency manipulation which is killing our companies and really, really hurting our workers. We’re going to end it.
  
  Within a few days of taking the oath of office, I’ve taken steps to begin the construction of the Keystone and the Dakota Access Pipelines. Anywhere from 30-40,000 jobs. And very importantly, as I was about to sign it, I said who makes the pipe? Who makes the pipe? Something this audience understands very well, right? Simple question. The lawyers put this very complex document in front. I said, who makes the pipe? They said, sir, it can be made anywhere. I said not anymore. I put a little clause in the bottom. The pipe has to be made in the United States of America if we’re going to have pine line.
  
  We believe in two simple rules. I can tell you everybody in this massive, this is a massive hanger. For the big planes. And by the way, do you think that one media group back there, one network will show this crowd. Not one. Not one. They won’t show the crowd. You know, coming in on the plane, and that plane represented so much.
  
  And just so you know, they were close to signing a $4.2 billion deal to have a new Air Force One. Can you believe this? I said no way. I said I refuse to fly in a $4.2 billion airplane. I refuse. So I got Boeing and it is actually — a lot of people don’t know. The Air Force One project is actually two planes. Why they need to planes, we’ll have to talk about that, but they have two planes, but we’ve got that price down over a billion dollars and I probably have it spoken to be honest with you for honest probably an more than an hour on the project. I got the generals in who are fantastic. I got Boeing in. I told Boeing it’s not good enough. We’re still not going to do it. The price is still too high. On the fighter jet. We were hundreds of billions of dollars over budget. Seven years late, great plane. A great plane.
  
  So think of it. They’re seven years late. Hundreds of billions of dollars over-budget. Other than that by the way the project is going extremely well. And I got the folks in from Lockheed Martin who are terrific people and a terrific product by the way. I also got Boeing in. I said do me a favor, give me a competing offer. And now they’re competing and fighting and we’ve gotten hundreds of millions of dollars off the price of a plane that was going to be ordered, in other words, if my opponent got in, there would have been no calls made to them. They would have signed contracts. So they’re going to make plenty of money, but it’s going to be a lot less than they would have made without Trump. That I can tell you. You might as well know about it. Nobody talks. By the way, that’s for fighter jets. One of the biggest orders in the history of aviation. The order for the F-35. You’ve been reading about it because it was a disaster. Under the last administration. A disaster. And now we have it running beautifully.
  
  In fact, when the Prime Minister of Japan, Prime Minister Abe, was great. Great guy. When he came over, he said, thank you. I said for what. You saved us many, many millions of dollars on the F-35 fighter jet. Because when I negotiated, I took our allies into the same negotiation. So the first thing he did was thanked med for saving them money and that’s good. Okay. That’s good. I know the media will never thank me so at least Japan is thanking me, right?
  
  But we believe in two simple rules. Buy American and hire American. We believe it. We’ve just issued a new order which requires that for every one new regulation, two old regulations must be eliminated. And by the way, a new director was just approved. Can you imagine the length of time it’s taken to Democrats and I actually think it’s an embarrassment to them, but this is getting in to be record setting time. Incredible people.
  
  Scott Pruitt was just approved, just now approved for the Environmental Protection Agency. He’ll do so good. He won’t have projects going ten and 12 years and getting rejected. They may be rejected, but they’ll be rejected quickly. For the most part, they’re going to be accepted. They’re going to be environmentally friendly and he is going to be a great Secretary. He will be amazing. We’re very happy. That took place yesterday. That’s going to be a big difference because they were clogging up the veins of our country with the environmental impact statements and all of the rules and regulations. It was impossible to navigate for companies.
  
  And what did it really mean? Forget about the companies? What did it mean. It meant no jobs. It meant companies leaving our country and going to foreign countries to do things they would rather do here. So we’re going to have a whole big situation. We are going to unfreeze all of those companies. They are going to be — they’re going have freedom. Be able to build what they want to build. It will be environmentally friendly and we’re going to start producing jobs like you’ve never seen before. That’s going to happen. That was a big thing.
  
  We’re standing up for the incredible men and women always of law enforcement. We’re standing up. And I can tell you, the military and law enforcement they stood up. I don’t say for me. I’m the messenger folks. I’m the messenger. They stood up for us in this last election. We got numbers that nobody believed were possible from law enforcement and from military. Basically people they wear uniforms like us. Isn’t that nice. I saw this man on TV just now, you. I just saw him on television. He said I love Trump. Let Trump do what he has to do. That’s my guy right there. Come here. Come here. No, I just. I’m coming in. That’s okay.
  
  Let him up. I’m not worried about him. I’m only worried he’s going to give me a kiss. I’m not worried about anything else. This guy is so great. He was one of many people. They’re interviewing people in the line. And I have to say, there was a tiny group of protesters out there and they were given as much publicity as this massive room packed with people, but they interviewed this man. Come on up here. Come on up. Guy was great. Hop over the fence. Come on. He can do it. He’s in good shape. Look at him. Look at this guy. Come on. This guy is great. Don’t worry about him. No, no. Come here. They’re going to — come on up. Come here.
  
  This guy. So he’s been all over television saying the best things and I see him standing and didn’t you get here at like 4 in the morning.
  
  Trump Supporter
  I did sir.
  
  President Trump
  Say a couple of words to this crowd.
  
  Trump Supporter
  Mr. President, thank you sir. We the people, our movement is the reason why our President of the United States is standing here in front of us today. When President Trump during the election promised all these things that he was going to do for us, I knew he was going to do this for us. Thank you so much, sir.
  
  President Trump
  A star is born.
  
  Trump Supporter
  A star is born. That’s fine.
  
  President Trump
  I wouldn’t say that Secret Service was thrilled with that, but we know our people, right? We know our people. Great guy. And so many others. I see some others. Being interviewed. I see them over here. They started. They came at 4 in the morning. The media will give them no credit. The media, as I told you, won’t show this crowd.
  
  All the way outside of this — this is a big a hanger as you get. All the way outside. Way back to the fences. Amazing. I want to thank you, but I want to thank everybody.
  
  I’ve directed the Department of Justice to take a firm, firm stance to protect our cops, sheriffs, and police from crimes of violence against them. We will work with our police not against our police, our police do a great job and they’ve never been troubled like they’re troubled now. It’s very unfair what’s happening. So we want to cherish our law enforcement. We will always protect those who protect us.
  
  We’ve directed the creation of a task force for reducing violent crime in America, including our inner cities. We’re going to make our inner cities safe again. Look at what’s going on. Look at what’s happening in Chicago. Hundreds of shootings, hundreds of deaths. I’ll tell you what’s happening in Chicago and many other places. Safety is a civil right. And we will fight to make America totally safe again.
  
  I’ve ordered the Department of Homeland Security and the Department of Justice to coordinate on a plan to destroy transnational criminal cartels which are all over the United States and we are going to stop the drugs from pours into your country, into your community, into your cities and poisoning our youth. We’re stopping it. We’re stopping it. We’ve taken historic action to secure the southern border and I’ve ordered the construction of a great border wall, which will start very shortly.
  
  And I’ve taken decisive action to keep radical Islamic terrorist the hell out of our country. So you probably read where we want to enforce the laws as existing. And so we signed an order a couple of weeks ago, and it was taken over by a court originally by a judge and then a — yes, it’s very sad. The reason is for protection and safety. So the statute is so plain and so clear.
  
  I said last week, I was speaking to a great group of sheriffs, the sheriffs group in Washington, and I said if you have a college education, you can understand its. If you have a high school education, you can understand it. If you were a bad student in high school, you can understand it.
  
  I was told. I’ll check, but I found it hard to believe, over 30-page decision by the appellate court. Three judges. And you could tell by the way they were reacting because it was broadcast on television. Everything we do gets a lot of people watching. So you could tell by the way that phone call went, wasn’t looking good. When they wrote their decision, as I understand it. Maybe I’m wrong.
  
  They didn’t write the statute they were making the decision about because every word of the statute is a total kill for the other side. So I thought I would read it. And here’s what it says. This is what it says: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or any class of aliens into the United States” — okay. So essentially. Whenever somebody comes into the United States. Right.
  
  “If it would be detrimental to the interest of the United States” — okay. Now you know the country’s we’re talking about and these were countries picked by Obama. They weren’t even picked. They were picked by Obama.
  
  “He may,” so the President may, “by proclamation and for such period as he shall deem necessary” — now, because it should have said he or she, right. They were not politically correct when they drew this. In fact, that’s the only thing that was actually wrong with it. He or she. I don’t think the women care too much about that. Right? I don’t think so. By the way, we did very well with women. You know, my wife said when some of these phony polls were put out, the CNN poll was so far off, the phony polls. When some of these, she said, what’s wrong with you and women. We did very nicely with women. We did nicely with a lot of groups they didn’t think we were going to do so nicely with. I guess we had to. That’s why we’re all here tonight. Right?
  
  So and it goes, “for such as he shall seem necessary suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants or impose on aliens any restriction he may deem to be appropriate.” So basically it says the president has the right to keep people out if he feels it’s not in the best interest of our country. Right? Unbelievable. Unbelievable. And I listened to these judges talk and talk and talk. So unfair. So we’ll be doing something over the next couple of days. We don’t give up. We never give up.
  
  We had a court that I disagree with. I disagree with big league — and by the way, whether you read it or whether you watch it on television when other lawyers come on, many of them can’t even understand. They’re saying how do you come up with that decision. It cannot be more simple. So they’re ruling on what I just read you and they don’t even quote it in their ruling because you can’t because it’s too obvious. So we will do something next week. I think you’ll be impressed. Let’s see what happens.
  
  Here’s the bottom line. We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening. We’ve got to keep our country safe. You look at what’s happening in Germany, you look at what’s happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this. Sweden. They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible. You look at what’s happening in Brussels. You look at what’s happening all over the world. Take a look at Nice. Take a look at Paris. We’ve allowed thousands and thousands of people into our country and there was no way to vet those people. There was no documentation. There was no nothing. So we’re going to keep our country safe.
  
  And we all have heart, by the way. And what I want to do is build safe zones in Syria and other places so they can stay there and live safely until their cities and their country, that mess that I was left by Obama and everybody else — folks, we were left a mess like you wouldn’t believe, but we’re going to build safe zones. We’re going to have those safe zones.
  
  We do owe $20 trillion. Okay. So we’re going to have the gulf states pay for those safe zones. They’ve got nothing, but money. We’re going to do it that way instead of taking massive numbers. Tens the of thousands of people into our country and we don’t know anything about those people. We want people to come into our country, but we want people that love us. We want people that can cherish us and the traditions of our country. We want people that are going to be great for our country. We don’t want people with bad, bad ideas. We don’t want that.
  
  I’ve also directed the defense community headed by General, now — you know, he said it, he said it — and now Secretary ‘Mad Dog’ Mattis, to develop a plan to totally destroy ISIS. I have ordered the department of defense to begin plans for the great rebuilding of the united states military. We will pursue peace through strength. Our military is badly depleted. You have planes in the military. Where the father flew them and now the son is flying them. Their so old. We make the best equipment anywhere in the world. We’re going to start using our best and most modern equipment.
  
  And we’re going to make sure our veterans have the care they need when they come home. We love our veterans. We’re going to do a great job for our veterans. Our veterans have been very, very sadly treated. These are our great great people. We owe them so much. Our veterans are going to be taken care of for once and for all. Our system and our country has led down our veterans. We are not going to let that go on any further. You wait and you see what we’re going to be doing for our great veterans. Thank you veterans. Who is here? Who is a veteran? We’re going to take care of our veterans.
  
  We’re going to downsize the bloated, bloated bureaucracy which make the government lien and accountable. We’re going to drain the swamp in Washington, D.C. I’ve already imposed a five year lobbying ban on the executive branch officials and lifetime ban on lobbying for a foreign government.
  
  And there’s another major promise I have kept to the American people. I’ve nominated a fantastic justice to replace the late great Justice Scalia. His name is Judge Neil Gorsuch. He comes from my list of 20 very, very highly qualified judges. He’s incredible and has an incredible resume. He’s respected by all. His education is as good as it can get. His writings are truly amazing. He will be a true, true defender of our constitution. So let’s tell the Senate Democrats to support his nomination for the good of the country because what’s happening with the Democrats — no wonder they’re doing so badly.
  
  No wonder they’re doing so badly. You take a look, race after race, I just want the tell you, in case you didn’t read it, of course you’re reading the fake news, but the Democrats were supposed to win the presidency. That didn’t happen. They were supposed to take over the Senate. That didn’t happen. And they were supposed to take over potentially even the House. It was going to be four weeks out the greatest defeat in the modern history of American politics. And it was, but it was for the Democrats, not for the Republicans. So we have to tell the Democrats, because they’re doing the wrong thing for the American people, to stop their tactics of delay and obstruction and destruction. They got to get on with it.
  
  My administration is also pushing ahead strongly with very historic tax reform. We are working to lower tax rates in the middle class to reduce tax rates big league on businesses and to make our tax code more fair and very simple for all Americans so it’s understandable by everyone. Senate Democrats should work with us to lower taxes and bring back our jobs, but the Democrats want to increase your taxes very, very substantially. We’re not going let that happen.
  
  Also time for the Senate Democrats to take responsibility for Obamacare and to work with us to replace it with new reforms that reverse this nation-wide healthcare tragedy. It’s a tragedy. You look at some states, Arizona, up 116%. Your deductibles have gone so high you can never use it. Obamacare doesn’t work. It’s become totally unaffordable. Remember they said the healthcare, it’s unaffordable. It doesn’t work. And I said to the Republicans, I said you want to do something great politically: don’t do anything. Sit back for two years, let it explode. The Democrats will come and beg for us to do something, but we can’t do that to the American people. We have to fix it. And we will.
  
  We need members of both parties to join hands and work with us to pass a $1 trillion infrastructure plan to build new roads and bridges and airports and tunnels and highways and railways all across our great nation.
  
  You’re all part of this incredible movement. This movement that we talk about so much. That’s been written about on the cover of every magazine all over the world. It’s a movement that is just sweeping. It’s sweeping across our country. It’s sweeping frankly across the globe. Look at Brexit. Look at Brexit. Much smaller example, but it’s still something you can look at. People want to take back control of their countries and they want to take back control of their lives and the lives of their family.
  
  The nation state remains the best model for human happiness and the American nation remains the greatest symbol of liberty, of freedom and justice on the face of god’s earth. And now we have spirit like we’ve never had before. It’s now that we have our sacred duty and we have no choice and we want this choice to defend our country, to protect its values and to serve its great, great citizens. Erasing national borders does not make people safer. It undermines democracy and trade prosperity. We’re giving it away.
  
  The so-called global elite have done well for themselves, but left working families with shrinking wages. Really they are shrinking. 18 years ago though many of you in this room made more money working one job than you’re making right now working two and three jobs. Instead of peace, we’ve seen wars that never end and conflicts that never seem to go away. We don’t fight to win. We fight politically correct wars. We don’t win anymore. We don’t win at trade. We don’t win in any capacity. We don’t win anymore. We’re going to start winning again. Believe me.
  
  And we have the chance now working together to deliver change for the ages. This will be change for the ages. Change like never before. To pursue real peace, real stability, and real prosperity. We want to secure our borders and protect our workers. To rebuild our military and our infrastructure. To fix our schools and restore safety to our neighborhoods. To bring hope and opportunity to our inner cities. To ensure a level playing field for all women in the workforce. To reform our tax code and remove the regulations that undermine growth and innovation. And to replace chaos and distrust with community and cooperation. The tired echoes of yesterday’s fights. We’re fighting battles that no longer help us. We’re fighting battles that other people aren’t treating us fairly in the fight.
  
  I’m a NATO fan, but many of the countries in NATO, many of the countries that we protect, many of these countries are very rich countries. They’re not paying their bills. They’re not paying their bills. They have to help us. No longer are we chained down by the discredited approaches of the past. No longer must we listen to those who have nothing to brag about, but failure. New circumstances demand new solutions. Americans have fought and won wars together. Our heroes have shed their blood together and lost their lives. Our citizens have raised their children together, fought for justice together, and shared common hopes and dreams from one generation to the next. Stretching back to the first day of our American independence. This is our legacy. It belongs to all of you. And it belongs to every man, woman, and child in our nation.
  
  Now is the time to call upon these deep ties in the name of bold acts. Let us move past the differences party and find a new loyalty rooted deeply in our country. We are all brothers and all sisters. We share one home. One destiny and one glorious American flag. We are united together by history and by providence. We will make America strong again. I promise. We will make America proud again. We will make America safe again. And we will make America great again. Greater than ever before.
  
  May God bless you, and may God bless the United States of America! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much.
  
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  February 19, 2017 2:22pm
  - Inandout
    
    Americans are not used to positivity such as this. Obama talked at length but said nothing of substance. If Trump can deliver without being tripped by treasonous underlings, then the US will indeed prosper.
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:47pm
  - SGA
    
    tl;dr
    
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    February 19, 2017 2:52pm
    - Flash
      
      Easier to read than watch I think.
      
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      February 19, 2017 6:18pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    You know, there’s this concept of linking to sources rather than spam cutting and pasting.
    
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    February 19, 2017 3:11pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Indeed, Lucia, thank you for that advice.
      
      I felt that, in this instance, printing it out in full would be helpful.
      
      Clearly you feel differently.
      
      Them’s the breaks.
      
      Have a good day!
      
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      February 19, 2017 3:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      You should try the “concept” of the scroll button and keeping your mouth shut.
      
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      February 19, 2017 3:23pm
    - Jack5
      
      Biscuit’s post was interesting, but Lucia has a point. At 5545 words, the clip was a bit of a thread sinker.
      
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      February 19, 2017 5:39pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Ah but, Jack5, it was interesting to compare Trump’s speech with how it was reported on One News.
        
        They, natch, focussed on the ‘attack’ on the media (by my count, 274 words long) and found little space for anything Trump then expanded on (and his speech was 5309 words long)…
        
        The media’s obsession with themselves is frankly disturbing…
        
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        February 19, 2017 8:11pm
  - stephieboy
    
    “I also want to speak to you without the filter of the fake news. The dishonest media which has published one false story after another with no sources, even though they pretend they have them, they make them up in many cases, they just don’t want to report the truth and they’ve been calling us wrong now for two years. They don’t get it. By they’re starting to get it. I can tell you that. They’ve become a big part of the problem. They are part of the corrupt system. Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson, and Abraham Lincoln and many of our greatest presidents fought with the media and called them out often times on their lies. When the media lies to people, I will never, ever let them get away with it. I will do whatever I can that. They don’t get away with it.,,”
    
    Examples of media lies with this piece of Crude Propoganda that even Goebbels would envy ?
    
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    February 19, 2017 3:44pm
    - realityczech
      
      stephieboy, I am not surprised by your frank admission that you are a student of Goebbels. It explains a lot that you seek inspiration from the methods of a fellow socialist like Goebbels.
      
      Each to his own I say, but personally I find Trumps inclusive and progressive ideas preferable to you and Goebbels.
      
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      February 19, 2017 4:24pm
  - RF
    
    Jesus Biscuit…. Is that a filibuster ????
    
    Go Trump.
    
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    February 19, 2017 4:49pm
  - Dave Mann
    
    An unintelligible rave. The man’s an idiot.
    
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    February 19, 2017 6:39pm
    - realityczech
      
      Dave Mann prefers to be told what to think in simple terms by the media, then virtue signal about it on KB.
      
      Dave is a wanker.
      
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      February 19, 2017 8:18pm
- Biscuit
  
  Many typos in that transcript up above – let me assure you that was the way I got it!
  
  Eye kan sew spel!
  
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  February 19, 2017 2:27pm
  - nasska
    
    Thanks for your 2.22pm Biscuit. It was good to read some of what the great man says before the lying, commie media get a chance to start re-manufacturing transcripts to suit their agenda.
    
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    February 19, 2017 4:17pm
    - SGA
      
      You’re probably being a little subtle for them, nasska.
      
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      February 19, 2017 5:35pm
      - nasska
        
        I was also a little concerned whether they would be able to comprehend the meanings of the bigger words I used to put the point across SGA.
        
        Unfortunately I’m fresh out of puppets & crayons. 🙂
        
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        February 19, 2017 5:53pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I have not watched all of it, just skipped through.
  He is doing just fine thank you very much. Imagine if President Trump was not doing the things he promised and campaigned on? The lefties would be screaming more than they are now!!!!
  
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  February 19, 2017 6:00pm
- Gabby
  
  Shame you can’t be there, czitty.
  
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  February 19, 2017 6:44pm
waripori

Was watching the WSJ show on Fox this morning and I heard something sufficiently surprising to raise here. I though Puzder pulled out because he had once been mean to his wife and had employed and undocumented maid ( although he sacked her when he found out ) and some squeamish Senators at the Liberal end of the Republican spectrum pulled their support. The panel were unanimous that right wing Republicans thought he was too soft on immigration and put pressure on Senators to not support him. In the absence of any coordinated defence from Trump Puzder pulled out. Even when your party controls both houses it is not that easy for the President to get their own way.

If Trumps approval ratings slide any further he will find it increasingly difficult to get the votes he needs as Congress looks at the mid terms.
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February 19, 2017 3:08pm
- realityczech
  
  Trump is surging in popularity as he rapidly begins delivering on his promises.
  
  His message of hope and inclusiveness is a breath air after the evil and ignorant Obama.
  
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  February 19, 2017 3:14pm
  - RF
    
    Big thumbs up…..
    
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    February 19, 2017 3:31pm
  - Gabby
    
    If you hold your breath and wish 3 times, he might bring back apartheid for you, czitty.
    
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    February 19, 2017 6:40pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Do you hold your breath when you’re working Gobbling Gabby?
      
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      February 19, 2017 6:42pm
      - B.L.Zeebub
        
        Being able to breathe thru his ears would be a prerequisite for when the Gobsters mouth is full.
        Seriously, we deserve a better class of troll.
        
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        February 19, 2017 7:03pm
    - realityczech
      
      “he might bring back apartheid for you, czitty”
      
      I think Trump might end the race riots, the killing and kidnapping and torture of people, based on skin colour, that we saw under the Obama regime.
      
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      February 19, 2017 6:47pm
- stephieboy
  
  The real reason Pudzer withdrew ,
  
  “Puzder’s nomination was ultimately felled by Republicans, who grew increasingly concerned about the restaurant executive’s background and business record.”
  
  His withdrawl is also a victory for those Trump workers in the Midwest and rust belt .
  
  Very, very anti workers rights with fire at will , no minimum wage etc , etc
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/15/andrew-puzder-withdraws-labor-secretary-nomination
  
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  February 19, 2017 3:39pm
  - realityczech
    
    Very, very anti workers rights with fire at will , no minimum wage etc , etc
    
    stephieboy , Trump is very pro-worker. He has saved thousands of jobs already for the working poor. The hateful lefties called it “interfering in the free market” 🙂
    
    The workers love Trump. He is the voice of the ordinary person. He has already become the greatest president in living memory and he has only just begun.
    
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    February 19, 2017 3:46pm
    - itstricky
      
      The hateful lefties called it “interfering in the free market”
      
      That has to be one of the funniest mix ups of political stereotypes I’ve seen in my life.
      
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      February 19, 2017 3:51pm
stephieboy

‘.. as he “rapidly begins “delivering on his promises.”

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February 19, 2017 3:33pm
- realityczech
  
  ????
  
  Clueless again LOL 🙂
  
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  February 19, 2017 3:37pm
B.L.Zeebub

Wow, how`s this for Bitter and Twisted?
From the misnomered Mark “Reason” and the dead and buried Sunday Star times,
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/89532461/mark-reason-john-key-goes-from-pm-to-shameless-salesman-in-record-time

Too gutless to enable comments, of course.
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February 19, 2017 4:23pm
- realityczech
  
  “The prime minister’s chair is still luke warm and already the Keyla Monster is flicking his tongue hither and thither and selling for all he is worth.”
  
  They really don’t lose gracefully do they ? 🙂
  
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  February 19, 2017 4:33pm
  - Gabby
    
    He never really stopped selling did he, czitty?
    
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    February 19, 2017 6:37pm
- Inandout
  
  Haven’t bought a SST for years, and this just reinforces my opinion of that leftist rag. May their circulation go through the floor.
  
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  February 19, 2017 5:08pm
Michael

It’s cloudy in Palmy, again. No global warming in this neck of the woods.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/89573242/wave-clouds-iver-palmerston-north-are-simply-stunning
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February 19, 2017 4:29pm
mikenmild

Seomtimes we can see glimmers of sanity emerging in the US. An appeals court has chucked out Florida’s infamous Docs vs Glocks’ law:
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/appeals-court-overturns-florida-docs-vsglocks/2017/02/17/id/774275/
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February 19, 2017 4:43pm
- realityczech
  
  It was upheld by the courts, but has been overturned. It will now be appealed.
  
  But don’t worry hateful control freak, Trump will restore people rights and liberties on this issue too.
  
  Sucks to be you eh ? 🙂
  
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  February 19, 2017 4:49pm
  - RF
    
    realityczech. Pisses me off but I agree with 99% of what you say.
    
    I reserve the right to kick Stantons horse in the arse next time I am in Nelson.
    
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    February 19, 2017 4:59pm
    - realityczech
      
      RF, wrong thread ? But I get the drift.
      
      They took Stanton’s horse long ago, along with the cart, tent, everything. So the old bugger just sleeps on the street full time now.
      
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      February 19, 2017 5:04pm
      - RF
        
        No but I thought I would bring it across as we had crossed swords… it’s the cop coming out in me.
        
        Cheers.
        
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        February 19, 2017 5:07pm
    - realityczech
      
      RF, no worries. The reason we have an okay police force is because of people like me, not those who support the cops no matter what.
      
      All authority figures need to have their feet regularly held to the flames.
      
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      February 19, 2017 5:33pm
      - Gabby
        
        People like you give the police something to do.
        
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        February 19, 2017 6:26pm
  - jonar
    
    How is it hateful to allow Doctors to ask questions about guns in the home if there are safety concerns?
    
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    February 19, 2017 5:01pm
    - realityczech
      
      Why would a doctor need to know that ?
      
      It is seriously overstepping the mark and any doctor who does it should be suspended instantly.
      
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      February 19, 2017 5:06pm
      - jonar
        
        It’s about trying to prevent accidents in the home, not some conspiracy to remove guns.
        
        http://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/editorials/article86323177.html
        
        The law, passed in 2011, muzzles doctors on one issue, and one issue only: guns. Pediatricians, for example, can ask parents if the backyard pool has a fence around it or if they use a car seat for their toddler, all in the professional interest of a child’s health and well-being.
        
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        February 19, 2017 5:14pm
      - RF
        
        In rural areas the Police and local GPs work in together. The Police protect life and property so If there is a concern that persons in possession are unstable the Police have powers to seize that persons firearms. This is not treated lightly and used to be a commissioned officers job. This is to not only to prevent suicides but other people etc… being shot. Unfortunately I have seen the result.
        
        The Police are not scared to use these powers and the difficulty is a wife can use this against her husband especially in custody disputes and make a complaint that is possibly not 100% true.
        
        GPs have commital powers under certain circumstance and this is one area where they work with Police who would want all the information they can receive before taking action.
        
        Only a fool takes a knife to a gun fight.
        
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        February 19, 2017 5:24pm
      - nasska
        
        On most subjects you show a great deal of common sense but you let yourself down on this one RF. You advocate removing a person’s firearms & licence on the flimsiest of pretexts. Effectively it is decision by gossip.
        
        As you grudgingly admit this power can be & probably is frequently used by vindictive spouses. My guess is that this would extend to anyone who had dealings with the suspect & knew how to bend the ear of the local power mad cop.
        
        If someone is this dangerous to themselves or others then haul them in front of a judge who can order assessment or confiscation.
        
        We’re not living in Judge Dredd territory…..yet!
        
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        February 19, 2017 5:40pm
      - RF
        
        nasska.
        
        You are reading too much into my comment. I have heard that the Police will soon be tightening our arms code even further. Have you or do you know anyone that’s renewed a firearms licence recently. It’s now very intensive and interviews with applicant and spouse average an hour. No longer a right to own a firearm. You have to prove you are a fit and proper person.
        
        You will see it becoming a political football this year and Labours new champion Greg O’Connor will milk this as the theme will be gangs have guns so restrict the availability.
        
        It’s not a simple question of someone with a snitch pointing the bone to dob someone in. There is a process subject to checks and balances however I accept it can be abused. Nothing is perfect.
        
        The next step could be to follow
        Australia’s arms code and that is very restrictive. We would not like that and you could kiss semi auto shotguns goodby for a start.
        
        Accept there are nutters out there and depending on the circumstances give the Police power to remove their firearms. I know GPs have an oath just as the Police have a job. Surely common sense should apply with a quiet nod to the wise rather than read about it in the media. How many times after a shooting someone had said.. I knew there was something wrong about him and I knew he had firearms. Too late.
        
        When I was arms officer in a rural station years ago I knew what firearms anyone in the district held. A bloody mistake was made taking this information away and all you knew was that the person was approved to own firearms be it 3 or 30.
        
        You have made valid points.
        
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        February 19, 2017 8:04pm
      - realityczech
        
        RF, no good has ever come from gun grabs. The motivation is never “the public good”.
        
        You may be a decent bloke, but there are some dark souls down the road in Molesworth St.
        
        Also worth noting Greg O’Connor has come out openly as a gun grabbing communist.
        
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        February 19, 2017 8:09pm
      - nasska
        
        I am quite happy to have gun licences & I have no beef with applicants being vetted even if I do consider that the interviews as part of the renewal process are over the top.
        
        My beef is with the police holding the power to grant, deny or summarily cancel a licence. I note your comment re checks & balances but I’m a trifle too aware of the ways of those holding authority to pay the idea much time. Gun licences are effectively taken away at whim with no reference to the Courts .
        
        In short I see the police as individuals who are given great power to gather evidence & keep the peace. They should, however, be answerable to the judiciary at every step.
        
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        February 19, 2017 9:07pm
    - RF
      
      Hitting report buttons by mistake.
      
      realityczech.
      
      Fair comment. We agree but from different sides of the fence. It’s old hat but a fair number of cops have either been threatened or worse by an armed offender. Not a pleasant feeling. I was once told that my brains would be blown out my ears. He was not armed however when we searched his house we found a firearm. He was not licensed….
      
      Police have always worked on information received be it a direct approach , informant or a whispered comment in a hotel bar. There is nothing stopping a priest or GP dropping a hint about a certain individual. No record of the conversation and no breach of trust.
      
      If that results in firearms being confiscated so be it. Might have saved a life.
      
      That’s the way they work and it does work unless someone comes up with a better plan.
      
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      February 19, 2017 8:36pm
      - realityczech
        
        You might be surprised what “my side of the fence” is . I see your point and it is not news to me. My comment still stands.
        
        Firearm ownership is a right, in as much as the correct legal assumption is that a person is fit and proper unless it can be proven otherwise. Slippery dishonest misrepresentations of law are a specialty of the police.
        
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        February 19, 2017 8:54pm
Jack5

Radio NZ’s annual report was linked to by “Tokyo Joe” in yesterday’s General Debate thread. I repeat the link below:

The list of Radio NZ salaries is included (on page 26), and these are the top three, with one person in each of the three bands:

$250,000 – 259,999

$260,000 – 269,999

$400,000 – 409,999

The speculation is who is in the top band? I guess that Paul Thomson, the chief executive, is on the highest band, and closest to the Prime Minister’s $450,000. Some would argue that it’s John Campbell, but I reckon Campbell’s likely No. 2, and thus overpaid only by about $200,000. Who could be No. 3? Kathryn Ryan? Or perhaps it’s the chief financial officer.

One of the down sides of giving State-owned enterprises a bit of leash is that they can jump into the virtuous/vicious circle of hiring salary consultants who recommend high salaries for the company which then is warm to paying the consultants higher fees. The shareholders get fuck all say. In Radio NZ’s case, the shareholders are ultimately the taxpayers.

The annual report:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/cms_uploads/000/000/077/RNZ-Annual_Report-2015-16_FINAL.pdf
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February 19, 2017 5:28pm
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February 19, 2017 5:57pm
sooty

Mr 7%. Don’t stuff up this week!
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February 19, 2017 6:36pm
sooty

Lying Lens art gallery in New Plymouth is busy losing money after been open only one year. Bet you they come back trying to rort the ratepayer. I say close it down. It was always going to be a white elephant. Might look pretty on the outside, but bugger all exhibit on the inside. You would not want to pay an admission fee, not 3ven worth going for free.
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February 19, 2017 6:47pm
sooty

Jacinda is sneaking up on Andy Crap, 4% is her polling. Andy on 7% and she don’t have the union backing!
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February 19, 2017 7:08pm
Jack5

Dame Devoid! Malawi needs you – or maybe not, because it’s only white-skinned people who are being hunted and killed for their body parts.

The persecution and butchery of African albinos –

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4238638/Witch-doctors-Malawi-hiring-hit-men-murder-Albinos.html
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February 19, 2017 7:39pm
Jack5

Fox News’ Watters nails a “communications studies” lecturer who said some strong things about Donald Trump:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5328624988001/?#sp=show-clips
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February 19, 2017 7:51pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Uma rapiti uma rapiti uma uma uma
  
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  February 19, 2017 8:30pm
  - Jack5
    
    What Steve (North Shore) is saying at 8.30 with his “Uma rapiti uma rapiti uma uma uma”, is Maori for:
    
    “Run rabbit, run rabbit, run, run, run…”
    
    This is from the Maori version of a popular song from around the 1940s.
    
    I’m guessing, but is Steve is sort of saying, “good, eat the white-skinned fuckers” ?
    
    In fact, the African albinos who are being hunted, often children, are being stalked and butchered for body parts used in witch doctor brews. I don’t know whether these are eaten.
    
    Not like the old days in Aotearoa, eh Steve?
    
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    February 19, 2017 9:22pm
    - Jack5
      
      Whoops, Steve. I may have made a mistake here.
      
      I thought you were commenting about the killing of albinos in Malawi.
      
      I see now you were likely posting about Watters and the lecturer.
      
      My mistake. Sorry. I think my translation’s correct, though.
      
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      February 19, 2017 9:29pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Te Reo
    
    Uma – (noun) bosom, chest
    Uma – (adjective) describes a gourd in leaf
    
    Oma – run, move quickly, flee.
    
    Rapeti – rabbit
    
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    February 19, 2017 10:17pm
Rich Prick

I’m wondering whether there ought to be two GD’s, one for us normal folk and a litter box for stephie and gabby to drop their turds in, at the least it would be more astetic.
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February 19, 2017 8:31pm
- Gabby
  
  You’re not normal are you, Sevenfigga? How’d that happen? You not l33t no more?
  
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  February 19, 2017 10:48pm
  - Rich Prick
    
    I’m doing swimmingly well sweetheart. It’s a full moon, go bark at it. Moron.
    
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    February 19, 2017 11:19pm
Manolo

Who could oppose the deportation of illegals?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/memos-signed-by-dhs-secretary-describe-sweeping-new-guidelines-for-deporting-illegal-immigrants/2017/02/18/7538c072-f62c-11e6-8d72-263470bf0401_story.html?utm_term=.0bdeaeb61bd9
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February 19, 2017 9:08pm
Manolo

The WaPo sides with RINO McCain against President Trump:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/17/john-mccain-just-systematically-dismantled-donald-trumps-entire-worldview/?utm_term=.7ab8f9bf68c8
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This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz