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duggledog

You gotta see this.

It’s John Sopel, the BBC’s U.S. editor, questioning Trump about his travel ban., then being interviewed by John Campbell:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201833688/veteran-bbc-reporter-describes-trump's-bizarre-first-solo-news-conference

The Don makes it clear to this character that he knows exactly who he is and goes on to basically question John’s and the BBC’s integrity by saying ‘here comes another beauty’.

Sopel comes back with a snide ‘impartial, free and fair’ and ‘well we could carry on with this banter’ then the Don allows him his question which is of course about the travel ban and whether that’s a good example of a smooth running Government, then the Don cuts him up.

The great thing about the exchange is that the 4th Estate is running round like chooks with their heads cut off. This is not how it’s meant to work.

Cue a bemused John Sopel ranting and spluttering to an outraged John Campbell – the media interviewing the media. Like anybody gives a shit John(s).

The media still don’t get it. To quote Jonesy from Dad’s Army ‘They don’t like it up ‘em’
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February 18, 2017 8:03am
- Disaster Area
  
  Did you also see the part where he was called out on the “biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan”?
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:25am
  - G152
    
    He probably read it in a paper
    
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    February 18, 2017 8:37am
- G152
  
  That’s the media who screamed that Trump would never become president and spent the last two years trying to destroy him.
  And our lot are no better sympathising with the snowflake reporters..
  My message to them is : Grow balls boys, it’s going to get rougher
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:37am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Wikipedia defines ‘snowflake’ as ‘a term used to characterise… …being more prone to taking offence and less resilient than previous generations, or too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own. It is considered derogatory’.
    The Financial Times chips in with “A derogatory term for someone deemed too emotionally vulnerable to cope with views that challenge their own…”
    
    If I had to apply that to anyone in the press conference, I’m not sure it would have been the journalists.
    
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    February 18, 2017 8:43am
    - All_on_Red
      
      #TDS
      
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      February 18, 2017 9:04am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Are you saying that Trump isn’t a weapons grade narcissist who overreacts to any criticisms of himself, his family or his decisions?
        
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        February 18, 2017 9:57am
      - All_on_Red
        
        No, I’m saying your bias is clouding your objectivity . Either that or you didn’t actually see the Conference. Trump hasn’t over reacted. He’s just giving their shit back to them. It’s long overdue.
        
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        February 18, 2017 10:12am
      - Disaster Area
        
        I disagree. I think that he’s had the political week from hell and instead of going out calmly to put across his point of view, he’s given the media the headlines that they wanted. He really isn’t doing anything to change the preconceptions that people have of him.
        
        I genuinely think that he can’t comprehend that people have dissenting opinions to him. Perhaps its a result of being the head of his own company for so long where he has understandably surrounded himself with people who hold the same opinions and beliefs. Now he’s being exposed to the rest of the world and its a bit of a shock.
        
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        February 18, 2017 10:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        So, you didn’t see the Conference then…He was very calm. He hasn’t had the week from hell, the journalists have! Lol
        Away from this sideshow his team have done some good things.
        He also said that he will be wrong on occasion and expects to be called out on it. That’s hardly the position of someone who doesn’t like being criticised.
        So, frankly you are wrong and suffer TDS bigly!
        It’s funny to watch all you snowflakes get all huffy. Every day. Hahahaha
        
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        February 18, 2017 10:43am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Perhaps its a result of being the head of his own company for so long where he has understandably surrounded himself with people who hold the same opinions and beliefs. ‘
        
        ‘Understandably’?An assumption which demonstrates how ignorant you are. You’re looking a bit pathetic if that’s your argument- heh
        
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        February 18, 2017 10:46am
      - Fletch
        
        Exactly. Watch the whole conference. He says at one point that he’s having a good time 🙂
        
        (13:42:42) Now, they’ll take this news conference — I’m actually having a very good time, OK? But they’ll take this news conference — don’t forget, that’s the way I won. Remember, I used to give you a news conference every time I made a speech, which was like every day. OK?
        
        (13:42:54 ) (CROSSTALK) TRUMP: No, that’s how I won. I won with news conferences and probably speeches. I certainly didn’t win by people listening to you people. That’s for sure. But I’m having a good time tomorrow, they will say, “Donald Trump rants and raves at the press.” I’m not ranting and raving. I’m just telling you. You know, you’re dishonest people
        
        (13:43:09) But — but I’m not ranting and raving. I love this. I’m having a good time doing it
        
        (13:43:14) But tomorrow, the headlines are going to be, “Donald Trump rants and raves.” I’m not ranting and raving
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5FRUM-AK9k
        
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        February 18, 2017 11:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        TDS ? Infantile . Typical.
        
        I think Trump’s problem is that he is still living out his campaign .
        
        Now comes the difficult part .Running a country !
        
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        February 18, 2017 1:52pm
    - Fletch
      
      Someone left this comment on a news blog 😛
      
      I’m so tired of the term “snowflake” to describe SJWs. Snowflakes are all different, and under close examination are beautiful.
      
      “Cornflake” is far more accurate a term for SJWs: ubiquitously uniform in consistence, lacking real substance, and bad for your health in large doses.
      
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      February 18, 2017 12:53pm
      - Gabby
        
        Is that out of your cornhole or did you steal it from a fuckwit?
        
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        February 18, 2017 4:12pm
- Gabby
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  So Chump avoided answering the question. Such a coward.
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:38am
- David Garrett
  
  Duggle: I don’t think anyone could accuse me of being in any way enamoured of the media…in fact my third complaint to the BSA (about RNZ) is currently under consideration…but I’m not sure whether you saw the same interviews I did there…
  
  The BBC guy was absolutely right: Trump went on the attack from the outset; all the journo did was try and deflect those attacks with a little humour, and then ask his perfectly reasonable question…whether it ever got answered is unclear, as we then heard a lengthy exchange between Campbell and the BBC…
  
  But who can argue with what the BBC guy said about a long dead mentor of his? “We are not players in the Christians vs. the Lions; we are supposed to be simply observers reporting what’s happening down there in the arena…”
  
  Although he nodded wisely and agreed, Campbell of course gets involved as if he has skin in the game all the time…the most sickening example for me I think is his unctuous and highly sympathetic “So how are you coping?” to Len Brown when it emerged Brown had been diddling a subordinate in the Ngati Whatua room…Rather than some version of “On what planet could you possibly justify what you have done?”
  
  So I don’t think your criticisms of the BBC guy are valid. He was simply trying to do what journos are supposed to do…a refreshing change actually..
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:47am
  - Dave Mann
    
    There’s a brilliant piece in the Guardian by Richard Wolffe about Trump’s first solo press conference that is amazingly prescient entitled “Donald Trump’s anti-press conference would be funny – if it weren’t so scary.”
    
    For the last several months we all thought we were watching the presidential version of Celebrity Apprentice. Trump was going to walk into our living rooms, fire somebody at random, and then happily walk out.
    
    In fact, we have our shows all mixed up. This is actually a very long season of The Office, with our new president playing the role of a self-obsessed buffoon who clearly thinks he’s smart, funny, kind and successful.
    
    I recommend you read it. As well as the commentary he includes verbatim quotes from the press conference which illustrate in terrifying detail what is in the ‘mind’ of this man.
    
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/16/donald-trump-press-conference-media-criticism-not-funny
    
    I wonder if one day the press shouldn’t just walk out of an anti-press conference en masse and tell the man to just get fucked.
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:26am
    - All_on_Red
      
      No one will miss them.
      
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      February 18, 2017 10:55am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Would that be The Guardian newspaper that prints relentlessly snide, sneering, condescending, patronising, humourless articles attacking anyone who had the temerity to go against its directive to vote Brexit? And views any Trump supporter as nothing more than a rednecked neanderthal? Would that be the same Guardian newspaper that you hold in such obvious high esteem?
      
      Really?
      
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      February 18, 2017 10:58am
      - EAD
        
        Indeed,
        
        The Guardian that publishes article such as:
        
        “How to survive Thanksgiving if you’re a Good White Person
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/nov/23/thanksgiving-white-us-voters-donald-trump-family
        
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        February 18, 2017 11:13am
      - realityczech
        
        Nukuleka, You think they are bad, check out the Washington Post and their FB page for the full retard version of Trump Derangement Syndrome 🙂
        
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        February 18, 2017 1:58pm
- kowtow
  
  Duggledog
  
  ‘They don’t like it up ’em”
  
  Exactly what I said to Mrs Kowtow on same.
  
  The funny thing about this media rage against the Don is , as you’ve said, They just don’t get it.
  
  They are more despised than any other “profession” , at the bottom of the pile along with politicians.
  
  “MPs rank slightly ahead of journalists, the least-trusted group, and behind local council members, lawyers and civil servants, who are all below the half-way mark in a survey of public trust and confidence.”
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11462191
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:58am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Did used car salesmen in white shoes rate?
    
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    February 18, 2017 9:39am
  - MCos
    
    As long as you’re rating public popularity of journalists you might as well extend this to approval ratings for the President of the United States.
    Remember that the public doesn’t trust the media when deciding what they think of Trump so his poor showing is entirely down to him.
    http://www.people-press.org/2017/02/16/in-first-month-views-of-trump-are-already-strongly-felt-deeply-polarized/
    You will note that the Republicans think he’s marvellous & the Democrats useless.
    That’s entirely predictable.
    It’s the people inbetween that effectively drag his numbers down to 39%.
    Quite frankly I’d say a good number of that is illogical support from people sick of being told how awful he is by people they don’t like.
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:32am
- doggone7
  
  Were John Sopel’s reactions of being bemused, ranting and spluttering deliberate or involuntary?
  
  The President wasn’t bemused, ranting, spluttering and outraged but other things. Were those deliberate or involuntary? I mean some people are naturally arrogant, self-centred, narcissistic liars while others probably have to try to be like that.
  
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  February 18, 2017 2:08pm
EAD

Here is today’s “OMG, OMG Trump is literally Hitler” daily article from the NZ Lugenpresse

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/89553676/donald-trump-considered-using-100000-troops-from-us-national-guard-to-round-up-immigrants-memo-suggests

The Trump administration considered a proposal to mobilise as many as 100,000 National Guard troops to round up unauthorised immigrants, including millions living nowhere near the Mexico border, according to a draft memo……

These actions have been described as “despicable”

So let me get this straight – Trump, in fulfilling his duties as elected President of America, “considered” using troops to enforce the law of the land and remove aliens (i.e. not American Citizens )who have committed a Federal Offense by entering into America illegally.

Now even if using the National Guard is the most “despicable” thing imaginable – it’s only a draft, not signed. It doesn’t mean anything except a staffer drafted it and it was rejected. It’s a way of presenting options, recommendations which management may accept or reject.

So the only real “news” is that someone is leaking information from the USA government and that the MSM fall even lower in the eyes of the public as they try and create a non-existent scandal.

I’m being polite when I say the Corporate MSM is an absolute disgrace full of agenda driven scumbags.

The sooner the MSM dies, the sooner we can return to some kind of sanity.
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February 18, 2017 8:05am
- Aliog
  
  You should know plenty about agenda-driven scumbags, EAD
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:17am
  - EAD
    
    Hi Aliog,
    
    You are correct – I am very much “agenda driven”. So the question then becomes, “What is my agenda”?
    
    Well, it’s pretty much to sit down, dissect, assess and make judgements in this world full of lies we live in and make sense of what is going on. I assess a lot of different areas – both current news & historical events but most ultimately comes back to resolving and understanding 2 fundamental issues:
    
    1) How on earth did we end up with this utterly absurd monetary system of allowing private commercial banks to create our nations money out of thin air and loan it to us at interest so that we’re stuck with exponentially expanding perpetual debt?
    
    2) Why is it across the entire globe, it is only White’s who must concede their homes and lands or else you are HITLER ON STEROIDS! No-one for example asks if Pakistan should be bombed for wanting to remain brown and Muslim. They are people of colour, so that’s OK apparently.
    
    “In a time of universal deceit – telling the truth is a revolutionary act.” – George Orwell, 1984
    
    The only difference between our reality and 1984 is that our rulers have discovered that we need not be compelled to keep the TV screen switched on, because the common man is so thoroughly immersed in brainwashing that he volunteers to stare at the wretched thing during his every non-working moment anyway.
    
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    February 18, 2017 9:51am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD , describe to us your National Socialist Media and Social Media Policies ?
      
      Your guide could be found here ,
      
      http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/nazi-germany/censorship-in-nazi-germany/
      
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      February 18, 2017 10:18am
    - Aliog
      
      Your agenda is a racist grab bag of shit you find on repulsive sites that cater to the whims of people like you – Jew-haters, white supremacists…and economic fruit cakes (or are we meant to have forgotten that was what you used to peddle, until you were utterly and repeatedly exposed as being full of shit?).
      
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      February 18, 2017 10:19am
      - EAD
        
        “racist grab bag of shit
        repulsive sites
        cater to the whims
        Jew-haters, white supremacists…and economic fruit cakes”
        
        Jeez Aliog, I’m sure you must have left some of the Social Justice Warrior cliches out of your argument somewhere.
        
        Rather than be a peddler of 2nd hand ideas, give us some original thoughts. What about “far-right”, “hater”, “conspiracy theorist”, “extremist”……. I’m sure they haven’t been used before 🙂
        
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        February 18, 2017 11:08am
- Lance
  
  Hell yes
  No MSM and only Trump and far right bloggers as a news source.
  It would be a brave new world
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:27am
Manolo

Contrasting press conferences:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/16/comparing-donald-trump-and-barack-obamas-first-press-conferences-in-office/
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February 18, 2017 8:15am
- Inandout
  
  Obama achieved little during his tenure, except maybe a flood of words. He reminds me of an ‘undercover boss’ who at the end of his ‘secret’ job on the shop floor gives a rousing speech to the assembled workforce. Lots of platitudes and much weeping, but revisit the workplace after 12 months and nothing much will have changed (save the CEO’s salary).
  
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  February 18, 2017 9:01am
  - Fletch
    
    “Historians” (whoever they may be) have today named Obama as the 12th best president. Yeh, whatever….
    
    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/all-time-best-president-united-states-rankings-235149
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:28am
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch, obviously your fake Obama Conspiracy theories are always in the forefront of you’re thinking ?
      
      Yeh, whatever !
      
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      February 18, 2017 1:08pm
duggledog

EAD

Re the media

Last night on 3 News (the channel with the shit logo) they followed up the Port Hills bush fires with a story about how a couple of couples had their wedding plans delayed because of the fires.

Did they replace Mark Jennings with a twelve year old?
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February 18, 2017 8:16am
- EAD
  
  Missed it Duggledog,
  
  Sounds more like an “emotional angle” news story for Womans Day rather than for coverage by a national news broadcaster.
  
  I think it’s when the “news” started broadcasting the goings on of The Bachelor that my better half finally realised how banal the news has become. Fortunately she’s a “right winger” so she long before that realised how “opinions” were masquerading as news as long as it advanced the one world globalism agenda.
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:30am
- Happychappy
  
  Well it is a wonder Duncan Garner wasn’t on blaming Gerry Brownlee for that to. Gerry maybe has fucked up afew times but it is about time Christchurch took responsibility for their own mistakes.
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:32am
- VicParking
  
  “They (Unions & Snowflakes)” are coming out already to say there should be an enquiry into the fires and the “Mistakes” the fire fighters bosses have made???.
  If I was them I’d say right, until you make up your mind we will stand down and withdraw our sevices.
  Fight your own bloody fires!!!!!
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:54am
  - Happychappy
    
    Vic / You never hear that the Union make mistakes it is always others and they have to do it on the misery of others.
    
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    February 18, 2017 7:02pm
EAD

If you want an idea of just how venal and putrid a swamp Irish Politics is (and for Ireland, read the rest of the West) Savants latest article is a must read:

http://irishsavant.blogspot.co.nz/2017/02/am-i-paranoid.html?m=0

It ends:

The plot thickens when you consider that while Shatter was given charge of the immigration spigot Zappone has responsibility for children and the family (where she/he has become embroiled in probably the greatest scandal in the history of the State).
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February 18, 2017 8:19am
Monique Watson

I said it before and I’ll say it again. Peter Dunnes candidate vote margin is going to widen this election. If I were a betting woman and I’m not (that would be a waste of money better spent on fine wine) then I’d say 3000 votes)
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February 18, 2017 8:36am
- Happychappy
  
  Andrew Little has bitten off more than he can chew and people can’t stand hypocrites. Greg O’Connor for his views for guns when Union boss and Little for this hypocritical flip flop.
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:48am
  - Gabby
    
    Who knows? Andy might be all in favour of sending armed police out after the crappy chappies.
    
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    February 18, 2017 4:06pm
- peterwn
  
  Assuming that is already the case, it will save the price of a couple cups of tea at the Johnsonville tearooms or the National candidate being thrown under a 52 bus at the last minute
  
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  February 18, 2017 9:14am
  - Happychappy
    
    The column is on Stuff “no deal for Labour in Hut South ” and Ginny Anderson saying that they have to give their vote to her if they want to retain Hut South and if the want to change the Government.
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:13am
Happychappy

I see a article about the ex seat of Trevor Mallard in the Hut Valley and Labours new Candidate asking the Greens voters there to use their right tovote for her so Labour can retain this seat. So does this mean the marriage of convenience was all about Labour.
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February 18, 2017 8:40am
- pdm
  
  Only until Julie-Ann Genter wins Mt. Albert.
  
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  February 18, 2017 9:07am
  - peterwn
    
    Is that going to happen?
    I think Ginny is being totally arrogant trying to tell Green voters what to do. I cannot understand why the Greens threw in the sponge so quickly in Ohariu – either they could not find a suitable ‘sacrificial’ candidate (who could campaign for the party vote then pull out at the last minute) or they succumbed to a request from Andy to lay off because Greg demanded a clean run if he was to stand for Labour (yes, this is conjecture on my part). Seems Grant can rely on the Aro Valley greens to deliver without so mush as the need for a wink. So perhaps Labour should ‘give’ Mt Albert to the Greens in exchange for the Greens laying off in 3-4 electorates to let Labour through.
    
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    February 18, 2017 9:45am
    - GazzaW
      
      Gifting Mt Albert to the Greens was never going to happen. It’s all about Jacinda getting a crack at a safe Labour electorate seat because list seats are going to be at a premium post-election.
      
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      February 18, 2017 1:27pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/fears-thousands-of-rubberneckers-may-be-left-with-nowhere-to-go-if-fire-is-brought-under-control/

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/pm-concedes-tossing-gerry-brownlee-down-the-hill-to-appease-the-fire-was-probably-a-mistake-but-he-will-be-remembered/

🙂
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February 18, 2017 8:45am
- Gabby
  
  Heavy roller is a job Gerry could do.
  
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  February 18, 2017 9:35am
Inandout

On the subject of media I have recently discovered Fox news on my TV streaming. I was at first a bit wary having had ‘Bad Fox’ mentioned on KB by a host of contributors. I look past their often pro Trump stance and take note of what their guests say, and there is balance. By contrast CNN has really lost the plot when they don’t simply report what Trump has said, they go straight into whine mode and are absolutely nasty in their ‘reporting’. Will the US media eventually settle down and get out of grief mode?
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February 18, 2017 8:47am
- Rodney Randall
  
  Tucker Carlson: liberal medias worst nightmare.
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:54am
- stephieboy
  
  Fox balanced and impartial ? Since when?
  
  Look past their pro Trump stance ?
  
  Oh sure !
  
  CNN or BBC responsible for Trump getting his Electoral College” landslide” figures wrong ?
  
  For Flynn’s resignation and Labour SecretaryAndrew Puzder withdrawing his nomination admit a flurry of accusations including employing an undocumented illegal immigrant as a house worker ?
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:03am
- Komata
  
  Inandout
  
  Re: ‘Will the US media eventually settle down and get out of grief mode?’
  
  Sort answer: No!
  
  Long answer: Only when a Democrat becomes President of the USA (likely to be some time in the future). The US media, with the exception of Fox (although even that organisation has been known to have its ‘anti-Trump’ moments) have taken it upon themselves to become the de facto ‘opposition party’ in US politics. The Democrats were decimated in the recent elections and are still in shock, and nowhere near ‘recovery’ mode; a situation unlikely to change for some time. You may recall that in the run-up to the election, the US MSM were rabid supporters of Hilary Clinton and the Democratic party, to the extent that they became the ‘Third Arm’ of that organisation. The Dem’s massive loss, and their demoralisation, has left a vacuum and the MSM have gleefully and deliberately moved in to fill that space. It wasn’t much of a step; they were already (as noted) running (literal) interference for the Dems’ anyway) and they have taken to their new role with great enthusiasm. As a result, instead of being in ‘grief’ mode they have now gone on the attack and very deliberately embraced the whole ‘Total War’ doctrine much loved by the socialists / communists/ alinskyites. They see themselves as being at the cutting edge’ of the ‘revolution’ and will use any and all means at their disposal to literally ‘Destroy’ Mr. Trump. They literally ‘Hate’ him and that hatred is blind and unceasing. It also has absolutely no justifiable basis. Nothing will alter and it will, if anything, get worse. For the US MSM it is, if you like, a ‘War to the death’ and nothing is sacred or ‘off limits’. In this, they are joined by their willing stooges in the US entertainment industry and by resentful Democrats who are still unable to comprehend how a foregone conclusion wasn’t.
  
  I hope that this helps; Fox at least does try to provide some degree of objectivity. The others don’t and won’t. As I said, it’s ‘Total War’ and will probably only end when the US populace ‘switch out’ and go elsewhere for their news, a situation which may take a little while…
  
  I hope this helps clarify the situation.
  
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  February 18, 2017 4:41pm
lastmanstanding

One issue not being raised is the principle that goes back to Greek and Roman times that public servants serve the government of the day as their first priority.
If they cant or wont do that then they must resign not conduct an internal war against the government.

IMHO the greatest risk to global security is the US agencies leaking material to a Trump hating media who publish and a rogue states leadership retaliates with a military strike on either the US or a US ally.

Never say never it could happen in the current toxic environment.
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February 18, 2017 9:08am
- Aliog
  
  Public servants do NOT serve the Government of the day, at least not in a Westminster democracy. They are there to serve the public…and to offer advice ‘without fear or favour…’ to the current Government.
  
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  February 18, 2017 9:27am
  - cmm
    
    That is correct they do serve the people, but there is some small print.
    
    Tthey should accept the authority of a democratically elected government since that is the voice of the people.
    
    It is not up to the public servants to decide how they want to serve the people. That is up to the people to decide.
    
    And the people decide by electing people to tell them what to do.
    
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    February 18, 2017 9:38am
  - Inandout
    
    Public servants are bound by the Official Secrets Act, or whatever it is called in the US. If government employees start leaking classified information where will it end? Now, what details of your tax records would you like me to release?
    
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    February 18, 2017 9:44am
    - Kimbo
      
      If government employees start leaking classified information where will it end?
      
      Well, some 45 years ago it took this course:
      
      1. With the Vietnam War still raging in 1971, a US military analyst, Daniel Ellsberg, leaked what become known as the Pentagon Papers, an historic account of US involvement in Vietnam.
      
      2. The New York Times published the first installment of the Pentagon Papers.
      
      3. The US government petitioned the courts to stop publication of the Pentagon Papers as it compromised national security.
      
      4. The US government lost…and the New York Times continued publishing.
      
      5. National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger whined to US President Richard Nixon “I can’t do secret negotiations with the North Vietnamese and/or Chinese when it could be leaked at any moment”.
      
      6. Richard Nixon thumped his fist on his Oval Office desk and exclaimed, “We’ve got to stop these (expletive deleted) leaks!”
      
      7. In the same way four knights took the cue when Henry II demanded “who will rid me of this turbulent priest!”, a group of Whitehouse aides ran off and hired G Gordon Liddy and E Howard Hunt to to form “the plumbers”.
      
      8. And one Saturday night some 10 months later another former CIA operative, James McCord and five Cubans were caught wearing rubber gloves and with electronic listening devices and money that was traced back to the ‘Campaign to Re-elect the President’ organisation on them, in the offices of the Democratic National Committee in the Watergate Building…
      
      Oh, yes, and
      
      9. Some two years later, President Richard Nixon resigned to avoid certain impeachment.
      
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      February 18, 2017 11:28am
    - Kimbo
      
      Oh, yes, and I forgot to mention between 9 and 10:
      
      9a. FBI 2-in-C, Mark Felt, under the cover of “Deep Throat”, began to leak information of the Bureau’s investigation into the Watergate break-in to Bob Woodward of the Washington Post. His most important advice to Woodward was “follow the money”.
      
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      February 18, 2017 11:46am
      - stephieboy
        
        Kimbo, “follow the money” Source ?
        
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        February 18, 2017 1:11pm
    - Gabby
      
      The details that prove treason.
      
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      February 18, 2017 4:04pm
- Disaster Area
  
  The trouble is that one man’s ‘leak’ is another man’s whistleblower.
  
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  February 18, 2017 9:46am
  - Komata
    
    Why did the the name ‘Hager’ just come to mind…?
    
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    February 18, 2017 4:46pm
lastmanstanding

EAD So following the medias logic if a foreign army invaded and Trump ordered the troops out the Media would say this was deplorable and an extreme over reaction.

Nice.
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February 18, 2017 9:15am
- cmm
  
  Yes they probably would.
  
  Somewhere between 10 and 30 million illegals have invaded the USA. Over 50% are on welfare etc (more than any other group) that is no less crippling to the US economy than bombing a few smaller cities.
  
  If the “sanctuary cities” won’t use their forces, then the federal government can step up and use its forces.
  
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  February 18, 2017 9:41am
  - Disaster Area
    
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/01/donald-trump/donald-trump-repeats-pants-fire-claim-about-30-mil/
    
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/sep/01/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-illegal-immigration-costs-113-bi/
    
    According to the Texas State Comptroller, undocumented migrants do not have access to: Medicare, Medicaid, Food stamps, Child Health Insurance Programme, Public housing assistance, or supplemental security income.
    
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    February 18, 2017 9:54am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Over 50% of “legal” spics are on welfare. Which is a disaster in itself.
      
      This flood of Third World effluent began in the mid 1960s when some Jew politicians managed to change US immigration laws to let in 3rd Worlders, they promised that there would be absolutely no effect on the ethnic make up of the USA as a result.
      
      1965 – Stop worrying and enjoy the new food!
      
      2015 – To be honest its going to be great when you whites go demographically extinct.
      
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      February 18, 2017 10:14am
      - realityczech
        
        “Stop worrying and enjoy the new food!”
        
        I am not sure stephieboys boiled Goats head is a match for BBQ Pork Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
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        February 18, 2017 2:04pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Shock, horror
      Politicians tell lies and make mistakes.
      “You can keep your Doctor”
      “You can keep your plan”
      “A video caused the Benghazi attack”
      ” no we didn’t have secret meetings with Iran”
      Etc
      You snowflakes are a bit naive huh
      
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      February 18, 2017 11:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        All On Red , very deep reflection there old cock.
        
        ( drenched with understandable sarcasm )
        
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        February 18, 2017 2:01pm
    - cmm
      
      They are not legally entitled to those benefits (nor are they legally entitled to be there).
      
      However they are there, they do apply for, and do get, various benefits.
      
      And of course they aren’t allowed to vote either, but they do.
      
      http://thelawdictionary.org/article/why-is-it-that-illegal-aliens-get-free-food-stamps-health-insurance-and-pay-no-taxes/
      
      “Just because illegal aliens are not legally entitled to these benefits does not mean they do not apply for them. Yes. It is true that illegal aliens have received grants, professional accreditations, loans, WIC, disability, public housing, college educations, food stamps, unemployment benefits, and tax credits from state and federal agencies”
      
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      February 18, 2017 3:43pm
  - Gabby
    
    Smells like cmmie bullshit. 50% your arse.
    
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    February 18, 2017 3:59pm
Monique Watson

Inandout: Try streaming Michael Savage: Savage Nation, KSFO
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February 18, 2017 9:47am
stephieboy

Trump Theatre in action after a torrid week of a resignation , a withdrawal and of course lies . In other words a shambles ,

“Veteran BBC reporter describes Trump’s bizarre first solo news conference”

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/checkpoint/audio/201833688/veteran-Bbc-reporter-describes-trump's-bizarre-first-solo-news-conference
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February 18, 2017 9:53am
- Manolo
  
  If you believe the BBC…
  
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  February 18, 2017 9:55am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    https://youtu.be/teCtSX4_8-A
    
    If you doubt the Beeb, how about Fox News?
    
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    February 18, 2017 1:58pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I still enjoy watching videos of the US election night, all those fat ugly females, homosexuals and assorted freaks crying their eyes out like little girls or going into shrieking psychotic convulsions.
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jazz Hands Mc Feels , no doubt you were feeling the same Nov 2012 ?
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:24am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Oh please, you trying to compare 2012 to what is arguably the biggest election upset in US history?
      
      I take great pleasure at watching compilations of all those media muppets like Jew carpet grazer Rachel Maddow sniggering and sneering at Trumps campaign, “It will NEVER happen you stupid bigots!”, only to have the smirks wiped off their ugly mugs.
      
      Rachel Maddow when asked what she wanted to ask Trump replied seriously- “Are you [Trump] going to put me in a camp?”.
      
      I wish he would.
      
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      February 18, 2017 10:39am
      - stephieboy
        
        Fox and other right media had Mitt Romney winning comfortably !
        
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        February 18, 2017 2:03pm
burt

This election I’m thinking of voting on one issue alone. Legalisation of cannabis. I’m sick to death of seeing the local tinny house owners living a lifestyle most working people can’t afford.
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February 18, 2017 10:01am
- jonar
  
  You could stop buying from them.
  
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  February 18, 2017 11:31am
  - burt
    
    Yeah, why didn’t I think of that #facepalm
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:42pm
Monique Watson

@Lastmanstanding. My prediction is that Trump has Jim Jong-un in his sights already. His most recent speech was very telling. He basically said if he does have plans he’s not going to make it public then turn turncoat and throw a hospital pass to Congress like that muppet Obama. He then listed all the countries that could be defense issues finishing with an inflection on North Korea.
You’ve got to look at the logic of it: What a legacy!
And no. One man’s leak is a Traitor full stop.
Where did the term “Whistleblower” come from? Liberal fucktards, that’s who.
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February 18, 2017 10:02am
- stephieboy
  
  Monique Watson , Polonium Poisoning of Jim Jong -un like Roger Stone ‘s claim ?
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:10am
- Disaster Area
  
  So Deep Throat, W. Mark Felt, who worked with Woodward and Bernstein over Watergate was a traitor?
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:13am
- Gabby
  
  Condoning crimes against the people is treason. Watch your step. Don’t be an enabler.
  
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  February 18, 2017 4:03pm
stephieboy

Manolo,

If you believe Inofwars and Fox !
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February 18, 2017 10:02am
- Inandout
  
  I was told all NZ mosques stream CNN exclusively for US news. That would fit their tunnel vision.
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:41am
  - stephieboy
    
    Inanout, told by whom .? The irrepressible Cam Slater or John Ansell ?
    
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    February 18, 2017 1:13pm
  - realityczech
    
    stephieboy uses the CNN terrorism reports for news about his family and friends.
    
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    February 18, 2017 2:07pm
  - Gabby
    
    Who told you that?
    Oh, your hole.
    
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    February 18, 2017 3:49pm
Michael

Fake news.
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February 18, 2017 10:06am
- burt
  
  <sarcasm>It’s a new thing apparently. When we had one state run media organisation we never had this kind of dishonest agenda based news. </sarcasm>
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:09am
- stephieboy
  
  Michael , like Trump’s incorrect claim that his Electoral Cllege margin was the biggest since Ronald Reagan’s huge margin in 1984.
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:12am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Nobody cares, you Globohomos have lied and lied for decades and delivered only endless war, chronic unemployment, massive debt, Third World immigration and fag parades.
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:20am
    - Lance
      
      So you are saying because you believe the MSM have told nothing but lies for decades it’s OK for Trump and his acolytes to lie through their teeth as well?
      Their lies are righteous whereas the MSM lies were wicked?
      
      That’s beyond fucked up
      
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      February 18, 2017 10:33am
      - Inandout
        
        That is your opinion, but merely yours.
        
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        February 18, 2017 10:43am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout , and your opinion is also merely yours ?
        
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        February 18, 2017 10:46am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        You got it arse backwards.
        
        You all cheerfully watched a negro and a female set one M.E. country on fire after another and applauded them for their “Progressiveness” – gender, race equality, inclusiveness ad nausea.
        
        Now in an epic performance of hypocrisy you wail and gnash your teeth because an anti globalist is in the big chair.
        
        THAT is beyond fucked up.
        
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        February 18, 2017 10:47am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Jazz Hands,
        Exactly which President was it that invaded Iraq and started the whole middle east debacle?
        
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        February 18, 2017 11:23am
Michael

I reckon The Donald is a wind-up merchant par excellence. He certainly knows how to wind up the media.
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February 18, 2017 10:10am
- stephieboy
  
  Michael , maybe but that does not mean he tells the truth.
  
  In terms of winding up the media he is like Muldoon and we know where that got the later .
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:14am
  - Inandout
    
    Latter you twit.
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:44am
  - burt
    
    The media never have an agenda either. Great news story last night, a Muslim dentist doing free work, shows we need more Muslim people in NZ. I was a bit disturbed though when she talked about fundraising with a sausage sizzle, serving pork no doubt. The bloody fundraisers should have been beheaded !
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:46am
- Happychappy
  
  Yes the NZ TV Three and Prime reading last nights News were great examples.
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:19am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Trump will likely be destroyed by the “Deep State”.
  
  There was suppose to be a staged election where the US public choice consisted of members of two political family dynasties – Bush vs Clinton. This would ensure business as usual for the ruling class.
  
  Something went terribly wrong and the Globohomos lost control of the deplorables who put in an outsider to punish them.
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:28am
- MCos
  
  Seems to me, Michael, that Trump is getting himself wound up by the media.
  Something else you may wish to consider. Essentially the media survives not on the say so of politicians, but by making money and the more turmoil there is the more newspapers are sold.
  Take a look at Limbaugh & Beck. These guys make eye watering amounts of money by peddling highly biased journalism.
  Trump is doing CNN, NYT etc a favour by banging away the way he does.
  
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  February 18, 2017 1:50pm
  - Gabby
    
    Haven’t heard much from Limpball lately.
    Outclassed.
    
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    February 18, 2017 3:45pm
- Komata
  
  Michael
  
  The media WANT to be wound-up; it gives them a reason to justify their otherwise pointless existence. They want to believe that they are IMPORTANT, except they have forgotten that with ‘importance’, also comes responsibility…
  
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  February 18, 2017 4:52pm
Michael

stephie,
Where did I ever say The Donald always told the truth? Are you trying to wind me up?
I reckon he was just winding up the media re that Electoral College margin claim. He knew the media would bite and they did.
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February 18, 2017 10:25am
- Lance
  
  I SERIOUSLY doubt the Don knows the difference between fact and fiction, or indeed wants to know.
  All he wants is to win at every turn, no matter what it takes. It is deeply ingrained in his personality
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    ‘SERIOUSLY’
    Yeah, the caps are really convincing
    #TDS
    – Lance, you’re better than that.
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:04am
  - Dave Mann
    
    Yes Lance…. sure, but it goes deeper than that.
    
    Donald Trump needs to have an enemy. That’s the way his mind works. Everybody is his enemy and his modus operandi is to attack at every opportunity on a deeply personal and insulting level. Its the way he is and this type of personality appeals very strongly to a certain segment of the American people: combative, arrogant, narcissistic and a compulsive liar.
    
    America is deeply in trouble and I have a feeling that this experiment won’t end well for them. Hopefully he won’t take the rest of the world with him when the shit hits the fan.
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:06am
    - All_on_Red
      
      ‘Trump needs to have an enemy. That’s the way his mind works. Everybody is his enemy etc etc
      Lol. That’s some real bullshit you got going on. How deluded are you.
      So funny to watch. Keep it up
      #TDS
      
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      February 18, 2017 11:11am
- stephieboy
  
  Michael , I never suggested that except to indicate that Trump is pretty loose with the facts .
  
  I see so his hidden purpose was to wind up the Media with his inflated EC numbers ?
  
  Yeah Right !
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:38am
  - Fletch
    
    Obama was also pretty loose with the facts. Remember at a commemoration of the famous Selma civil rights march where he spoke and told everyone that his parents met and fell in love on the march?
    
    Obama credited the “Bloody Sunday” civil rights marchers of 1965 with the fact that his parents — a black African father and white Kansas mother — were empowered to fall in love and got married.
    
    “They looked at each other and they decided, ‘We know that in the world, as it has been, it might not be possible for us to get together and have a child, but something is stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across the bridge.’ And so they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Ala.!”
    
    The truth is, Obama was born in 1961 and the Selma march didn’t happen until 1965. This is just one example of his bullshitting.
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:37am
    - Gabby
      
      Or did you make that up?
      
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      February 18, 2017 3:40pm
    - Scorpion
      
      Important Book and Movie by the NZ Researcher
      Trevor Loudon
      
      I suggest you get the DVD
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMQQDQhipYg
      
      https://www.amazon.com/ENEMIES-WITHIN-Communists-Socialists-Progressives/dp/1490575170
      
      THE ENEMIES WITHIN: Communists, Socialists and Progressives in the U.S. Congress Paperback – July 24, 2013
      
      Barack Obama and the Enemies Within Paperback – October 19, 2011
      by Trevor Loudon (Author), Rodney R Stubbs (Compiler)
      
      https://www.amazon.com/Barack-Enemies-Within-Trevor-Loudon/dp/0615490743
      
      http://www.trevorloudon.com/
      
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      February 18, 2017 7:27pm
- burt
  
  Of course Trump doesn’t tell the truth. He doesn’t agree having sex with 9 year old girls is perfect behaviour.
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:47am
  - ross411
    
    Now now, don’t be a racist islamophobe. You can’t judge how they do things differently in their religion. Because even though multiple different races are muslim, that would somehow be racist and for them having a pedophile leader is A-OK.
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:05am
  - stephieboy
    
    burt , what does Trump’s present behaveiour 2017 to do with a Prophet’s betrothal to a 9 year old 1500 years ago ( not uncommon in both Europe and middle east at the time ).
    
    BTW Trump still needs to account for his associations with pedo Jeffry Epstein not forgetting his promised press conference on Melania alleged working in the US as an undocumented illegal worker .?
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:21am
    - burt
      
      I didn’t know Epstein was a Muslim. The things you learn on blogs eh.
      
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      February 18, 2017 11:35am
Michael

So far as those illegal immigrants are concerned, I personally don’t have a problem with the National Guard being called in to assist.
I mean an illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant.
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February 18, 2017 10:29am
Rodney Randall

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f98_1487267129

At least 100 people were killed and many more injured after a suicide bomber from the self-proclaimed Islamic State (IS; formerly ISIL/ISIS) targeted the Lal Shahbaz Qalandar Sufi shrine, in Sehwan, on Thursday.

Religion of Pieces again.
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February 18, 2017 10:33am
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randall, the only good Muslim is a dead one ?
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:39am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    That’s nasty Steph.
    
    a vile aspersion to cast.
    
    This is simply shocking on all fronts.
    Mindless violence, and totally unecessary loss of life.
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      Rodney Randall , only because you appear to be preoccupied recording these tragedies as if they were the norm amongst all Muslims .
      
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      February 18, 2017 11:23am
  - burt
    
    Two types of Muslims – radical and progressive. The way to tell them apart is;
    
    The radicle Muslim wants to chop your head off – the progressive want the radicle to chop your head off.
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:49am
stephieboy

“Andrew Puzder, Trump’s labor secretary pick, withdraws from consideration ”

Puzder, who was due to meet lawmakers on Thursday, faced concerns from Republicans over his personal background and business record

“Andrew Puzder, Donald Trump’s controversial choice to run the Department of Labor, has withdrawn his nomination as questions about his byzantine business interests, details about his acrimonious divorce and revelations that he employedan undocumented immigrant as a housekeeper have mounted.

Puzder’s nomination was ultimately felled by Republicans, who grew increasingly concerned about the restaurant executive’s background and business record.

After a series of delays, Puzder, the chief executive of CKE Restaurants, the billion-dollar parent company of the fast food chains Carl’s Jr and Hardee’s, was due to appear before the Senate health, education, labor and pensions committee on Thursday…”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/15/andrew-puzder-withdraws-labor-secretary-nomination

Andrew Puzder the man Trump chose notorious for his minimalist workers rights protection including no minimum wage , hire and fire at will . Also eagerly looking forward to the day when Robots would replace his fast foods staff etc .
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February 18, 2017 10:33am
- Rodney Randall
  
  Thanks for the post Steph.
  
  I stopped reading after “details about his acrimonious divorce”
  
  gutter journalism.
  
  Keep them coming though.
  
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  February 18, 2017 10:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    Rodney Randall, you missed this piece of” gutter journalism ” ,
    
    “Puzder’s nomination was ultimately felled by Republicans, who grew increasingly concerned about the restaurant executive’s background and business record.”
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:49am
Michael

stephie,
That may have been Trump’s purpose, who knows?
I reckon he enjoys winding up the media.
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February 18, 2017 10:43am
- stephieboy
  
  Michael , a euphemism for telling lies IMO
  
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  February 18, 2017 11:33am
  - burt
    
    Outrageous, this kind of political agenda is new. Never before have we seen politicians that you agree with doing this. It’s not that you are bigoted and myopic and partisan enough to have never noticed it in your team, it’s because Trump has moved into a whole new MO never seen before.
    
    Good Allah you are so f##king stupid if you’ve just noticed this type of behaviour for the first time and see Trump as a whole new level of dishonest.
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:39am
    - stephieboy
      
      burt ,
      
      “..see Trump as a whole new level of dishonest.”?
      
      Correct !
      
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      February 18, 2017 11:42am
      - burt
        
        I call BS on that, he’s no more self serving than most politicians, he’s just not as polished at making you believe he’s got your best interests at heart while screwing you over.
        
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        February 18, 2017 11:48am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Not winding the media up, just calling them out.
  Put up REAL news. They can not do REAL news – just anti news
  
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  February 18, 2017 7:01pm
Inandout

So the snowflake public servants’ treason is being humourously described as ‘The Swamp Fights Back’.
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February 18, 2017 10:48am
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Awesome!!!

“President Trump Declares CNN, NYT, CBS, ABC, And NBC Are “The Enemy of The American People”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-17/president-trump-declares-cnn-nyt-and-nbc-are-enemy-american-people

Remember it was that scum who peddled the WMD and Saddam was terrorist No. 1 propaganda, in order to get Americans to support the invasion of Iraq.

Payback time!

Most of the MSM should be tried for treason and taken out back…
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February 18, 2017 10:55am
- EAD
  
  The ol “WMD lie”. Remember what the (((MSM))) did in the first Gulf War with that faked image of the Kuwaiti Girl crying in order to drum up support for that War.
  
  And then what the same Bastards didn’t tell you about Syria & Assad.
  
  http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-03/10-facts-mainstream-media-won%E2%80%99t-tell-you-about-war-syria
  
  I expect what we’re being fed about Iran to be all lies as well
  
  Nothing must get in the way of the Yinon plan you see.
  
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  February 18, 2017 11:01am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD , as I stated it does not bother you that Trimp did support the 2003 invasion and then changed his mind .
    
    That Zero Hedge merely parrots Official Kremlin RT etc and Syrian Information Ministry Propoganda and laced with Conspiracy Theories ??
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:31am
    - realityczech
      
      Obama, the longest wartime president in history, defends terror strategy
      
      http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/06/last-foreign-policy-speech-obama-argues-sustainable-strategy-terror/95012796/
      
      Let me guess… USA Today – is controlled by the Kremlin LOL 🙂
      
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      February 18, 2017 11:46am
      - stephieboy
        
        realityczeh , and what was GWB doing in his eight years ??
        
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        February 18, 2017 2:06pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Trimp did support the 2003 invasion
      
      No, he didn’t.
      
      You are repeating false information.
      
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/09/27/2003-clip-backs-up-trump-on-iraq-war-opposition.html
      
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      February 18, 2017 2:51pm
      - cha
        
        Yeah, he very lightly said yeah, I guess so. I wish the first time it was done correctly…but very lightly…
        
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        February 18, 2017 3:40pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff,
        
        Try this also,
        
        http://www.factcheck.org/2016/02/donald-trump-and-the-iraq-war/
        
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        February 18, 2017 3:53pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        So an off-the cuff reply during a radio interview when he had no political experience is your evidence that he supported the 2003 invasion.
        
        Pretty desperate stuff!
        
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        February 18, 2017 4:04pm
      - cha
        
        Only lightly, though.
        
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        February 18, 2017 4:11pm
- stephieboy
  
  jazz Hands ..,
  Do reacll the fa
  ct of record that your El Presedenta did support the 2003 invasion of Iraq but then did a flip flop and described it as ” a big fat mistake ”
  
  Fact !
  
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  February 18, 2017 11:26am
  - realityczech
    
    stephieboy, planet of the apes is over, Trump is the president now so deal with it.
    
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    February 18, 2017 1:27pm
- Disaster Area
  
  So now you’re blaming the MSM for the invasion of Iraq?
  Where do you think they got the information about the WMD?
  
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  February 18, 2017 11:29am
  - burt
    
    The occupy movement might have claimed it was oil company interests that managed that. The leftards would join them in protest agreeing with the position. But it’s different when Trump says it, he’s wrong and needs to be protested against !
    
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    February 18, 2017 11:46am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Bush and Cheney didn’t help themselves by awarding huge contracts to companies like Halliburton after the invasion. According to some reports, Halliburton made $39 billion in the decade after the invasion.
      
      And who did Cheney work for prior to being VP? Halliburton.
      It didn’t pass the sniff test then and it still looks dodgy now.
      
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      February 18, 2017 2:32pm
- burt
  
  Ironically the occupy movements have been saying the same thing for years now. But let me guess, those people are wise and right rejecting big corporate agenda MSM but Trump is crazy and dangerous ?
  
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  February 18, 2017 11:42am
  - itstricky
    
    There is no doubt there were some whacks in Occupy, Burt. They’re just whacks though. Trump is The President. You’d pilotely hope for a little more than whacks conspiracy theories from your President.
    
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    February 18, 2017 12:00pm
    - burt
      
      The majority rules in a democracy, Cleary the whack conspiracy theorists got out and voted this election. Democracy, they tyranny of the majority.
      
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      February 18, 2017 12:49pm
      - itstricky
        
        So you’re not disagreeing that The President of the US is spreading whack’s conspiracy theories, then?
        
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        February 18, 2017 1:39pm
      - burt
        
        I didn’t say that, and it’s debatable they are whack conspiracy theories.
        
        What I was saying is he’s no less honest than most politicians. For example, Labour tell us NZ works best with unions and that they represent low earners. Then, invariably, under Labour unions get wealthy ( and so do Labour ) but the economy always tanks crushing low earners. Low earners who have already been bruised for a few years by Labour’s policies that create high inflation and high interest rates.
        
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        February 18, 2017 1:45pm
      - itstricky
        
        I didn’t say that
        
        No, you didn’t. But you didn’t disagree, either. Your forked off the road onto some path about who got voted in, for some reason.
        
        What I was saying
        
        Where?
        
        is he’s no less honest than most politicians.
        
        So, about the whole “draining the swamp” thing. He’s not really draining it, is he? He’s just filling it with different frogs.
        
        Ref:
        https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/788402585816276992
        
        I will Make Our Government Honest Again — believe me. But first, I’m going to have to #DrainTheSwamp in DC
        
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        February 18, 2017 2:16pm
    - realityczech
      
      There is no doubt there were some whacks in ~~Occupy~~ KKK, Burt. They’re just whacks though. ~~Trump is~~ Obama was The President. You’d pilotely hope for a little more than whacks conspiracy theories from your President.
      
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      February 18, 2017 1:43pm
    - realityczech
      
      Itstricky, here is another lunatic conspiracy theory:
      
      Trump is a secret agent of Putin working to carry out an evil plan to slightly limit immigration for a while by enforcing Obama’s immigration laws.
      
      Cause we all know how much trouble Mexicans are in Russia LOL 🙂
      
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      February 18, 2017 1:54pm
      - itstricky
        
        by enforcing Obama’s immigration laws
        
        Let me Google that for you:
        
        http://lmgtfy.com/?q=difference+between+obama+and+trump+immigration+policies
        
        Glad I could help.
        
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        February 18, 2017 2:19pm
  - Komata
    
    Burt
    
    In respect of the ‘Occupy’ movement/s might I suggest that you follow the money. It leads to some interesting places…
    
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    February 18, 2017 4:59pm
- itstricky
  
  https://youtu.be/xecEV4dSAXE
  
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  February 18, 2017 11:50am
- Lance
  
  “President Trump Declares CNN, NYT, CBS, ABC, And NBC Are “The Enemy of The American People”
  
  Is there any grown ups that hear alarm bells ringing here?
  This is dangerous territory. Police states don’t bring freedom and happiness to all… you know, because a little old thing called history tells us so.
  “History is the enemy of the American people”?
  
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  February 18, 2017 2:51pm
  - cha
    
    The more things change.
    
    A century ago, it took Vladimir Lenin one month after taking power to coin the term "vrag naroda", "enemy of the people", on 28 Nov, 1917.— Garry Kasparov (@Kasparov63) February 18, 2017
    
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    February 18, 2017 4:37pm
  - Komata
    
    Lance
    
    Re: ‘President Trump declares etc. etc…’
    
    Surely a statement of self-evident fact concerning a sector-group which makes no bones about being exactly that – and does so with relish?
    
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    February 18, 2017 5:02pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  “taken out back” behind the woodshed for a lesson of good manners – which they seriously lack
  
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  February 18, 2017 7:06pm
rightoverlabour

This BOT should be fired and replaced with a commissioner. Their whole “Maori” approach has really worked well here, a bit like the way Northland dealt with pedophiles in their schools. And some special people want more “Maori way” in dealings with criminals etc. Tell them all to Fuck Off. Sick of entrenched racism in New Zealand.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/89423792/tiny-kura-school-betrayed-broke-after-100000-theft–but-looking-forward
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February 18, 2017 11:25am
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Guys, guys! We got Scott Pruitt as EPA Administrator. Let the good times roll.

No more taxes for sky fairies.
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February 18, 2017 11:44am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  As Oklahoma’s Attorney General, Scott Pruitt has sued the EPA 14 times!!!
  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/17/us/politics/scott-pruitt-environmental-protection-agency.html
  
  Holy Moley, I predict a paradigm shift on the settled AGW science front.
  
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  February 18, 2017 2:43pm
  - realityczech
    
    Trump won’t be spending billions based on the theory that warmer weather might be on the way.
    
    This will lead other nations to follow suit and collapse the carbon credits, and other, scams.
    
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    February 18, 2017 2:51pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Jeez, now there might even be some money freed up to help mitigate current environmental problems or even directed toward scientists investigating natural factors influencing climate.
      
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      February 18, 2017 3:00pm
- Inandout
  
  The EPA employs 15,000 people, all busily writing rules to stymie progress. Along comes Trump and calls them out for being money wasters and petty legislation manufacturers. So Trump appoints Scott Pruitt as EPA Administrator and the 15,000 are not happy so try and block the appointment. We find out also that 93% of EPA drones contributed slavishly to the Clinton campaign. This is but one department that Obama stacked with useless employees, in this case whose main aim is to write self perpetuating environmental legislation. A close comparison would be our Workplace Safety department. The EPA is entrenched but will slowly be dismantled during Trump’s first term.
  
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  February 18, 2017 6:40pm
realityczech

‘ “OBAMA’S LEGACY

President Obama, who hoped to sow peace, instead led the nation in war”

http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-pol-obama-at-war/
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February 18, 2017 11:49am
realityczech

The Worst President in History: The Legacy of Barack Obama

An Amazon Bestseller! The Most Comprehensive Takedown of the Obama Presidency!

“If you want to know why the history books will have a dim view of Barack Obama, this is the book to read.”

https://www.amazon.com/Worst-President-History-Legacy-Barack/dp/0692310916
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February 18, 2017 11:52am
Hugh Pavletich

New Zealand’s housing shortfall … What is it ?

Treasury / ANZ says the national shortfall is about 60,000 houses.

PM Bill English notes within the video interview below that some (unspecified) estimates suggest 15 – 20,000.

He correctly emphasises ‘price’ is the best measure of scarcity and abundance … and that this measure indicates the problem is worsening …

NZ needs 60,000 more homes, ANZ says | Business | Stuff.co.nz

http://i.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/business/89336116/Treasury-says-NZ-needs-60-000-more-homes

Govt slashes housing shortfall figure without explanation | Radio New Zealand News

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/324491/govt-slashes-housing-shortfall-figure-without-explanation

Hugh Pavletich (in the short time available) endeavours to ‘clarify’ a few matters with radio broadcaster Chris Lynch of Newstalk ZB in Christchurch …

Hugh Pavletich ‘Bill English is wrong on housing and he knows it’ … Newstalk ZB Christchurch

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-air/christchurch/canterbury-mornings/audio/hugh-pavletich-bill-english-is-wrong-on-housing-and-he-knows-it/

After 12+ years (since the release of the first Demographia Housing Survey), hasn’t this ‘nonsense issue’ gone on long enough ?

When are the politicians going to start performing ?
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February 18, 2017 12:00pm
- Happychappy
  
  When are people like Hugh going stop looking after there own pockets.
  
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  February 18, 2017 1:28pm
- wiseowl
  
  NZ housing shortfall caused by mass immigration Hugh.
  Period.
  
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  February 18, 2017 1:36pm
- calendar girl
  
  Hugh now refers to himself in the third person?
  
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  February 18, 2017 1:41pm
  - sooty
    
    Who was that other wanna be politician that tried that.
    
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    February 18, 2017 2:49pm
realityczech

10 Famous Liberals Who Slammed Obama in a Bigtime Way

Noam Chomsky.
Obama “is worse” [than George W. Bush and Tony Blair]… “In the case of Afghanistan, he sharply escalated the war… Obama’s carrying out a major war in Afghanistan, he’s directly involved in aggressive and criminal actions, carried out by Israel, for example. He’s been in office for two years, and he hasn’t invaded anyone yet [until Libya], but his record is quite consistent with what’s happened before.”

Nat Hentoff.
“Obama has little, if any, principles except to aggrandize and make himself more and more important. You see that in his foreign policy. Obama lacks a backbone — both a constitutional backbone and a personal backbone. This is a man who is causing us and will cause us a great deal of harm constitutionally and personally. This is the first administration that has scared me.”

Jeff Cohen
“I was a young person when I first heard the quip: ‘How do you know when the President is lying? His lips are moving.’ At the time, President Nixon was expanding the war in Vietnam to other countries and deploying the White House
‘plumbers’ to commit crimes against antiwar leakers. Forty years have passed. Sadly, these days, often when I see President Obama moving his lips, I assume he’s lying.”

http://ijr.com/2014/01/110863-10-unbelievably-hardcore-slams-president-obama-left-wingers-democrats/
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February 18, 2017 12:08pm
wiseowl

This is a scandal.
Several organisations including NZ White Ribbon,NZ Womens Refuge, get domestic violence statistics from NZ violence clearing house at Auckland University.The figures are determined from the NZ Medical Journal.
Example ,the ‘1 in 3 women report experiencing violence in NZ’ figures are determined from a study done in 2004 by The NZ Medical Journal.The dated research study authors were two feminists.
The dated research survey/study was done using 2855 women from Nth Waikato and Auckland only.
There was NO proof of violence and ‘pushed, shoved, or had hair pulled were included as violence.
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February 18, 2017 1:28pm
- realityczech
  
  NZ White Ribbon and NZ Womens Refuge are hate groups.
  
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  February 18, 2017 1:34pm
- itstricky
  
  Where’s your info from wiseowl?
  
  pushed, shoved, or had hair pulled
  
  violence: ˈvʌɪəl(ə)ns: behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
  
  push: physical force – check. intended to hurt – check.
  shove: physical force – check. intended to hurt – check.
  hair pulled: physical force – check. intended to hurt – check
  
  Pushing, shoving and hair pulling are not acceptable forms of normal, rational behaviour between two adults either way, so I’m not sure what you’re trying to imply.
  
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  February 18, 2017 1:45pm
- Gabby
  
  You in the habit of pushing and shoving women are you?
  
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  February 18, 2017 3:08pm
- Fletch
  
  Is like in America with the so-called campus rape crisis. It was kicked off by a Rolling Stone article centering on a female student who claimed to have been raped. Later it was found out that the whole story was fraudulent and it fell apart.
  
  They made this claim that one-in-five females on campus are raped, but the true figure is closer to 1-in-100.
  
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  February 18, 2017 3:50pm
- Komata
  
  wiswowl
  
  And absolutely NO bias at all!!
  
  Who would have thought it?
  
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  February 18, 2017 5:05pm
Manolo

Associated Press (AP) joins the fake-news team:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/17/homeland-security-on-ap-s-national-guard-absolutely-incorrect.html
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February 18, 2017 1:46pm
AgentBallSack

Jesus, out of 147 posts, stephie is responsible for 23 of them. Take your fucking meds man and stop shitting everywhere.
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February 18, 2017 1:51pm
- realityczech
  
  To be fair, as a gay muslim communist zionist, he has a lot of issues to address 🙂
  
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  February 18, 2017 2:10pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Candy- ass !
    
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    February 18, 2017 2:22pm
    - realityczech
      
      Interesting how you associate candy with ass. Must be a cultural thing…
      
      http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/09/03/pakistani-muslim-men-dont-think-there-is-anything-wrong-with-raping-young-boys-very-young-boys/
      
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      February 18, 2017 2:26pm
- Manolo
  
  There are several of them: the pious Muslim, the Waikato Uni graduate, the semi-literate beneficiary, the shameless perv, the supposedly father of young children, etc. Many incarnations of stephieboys.
  
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  February 18, 2017 2:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  ABS, another self appointed troling comments Gestapo .
  
  Trump fanboy not liking the heat his master is facing ?
  
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  February 18, 2017 2:17pm
  - realityczech
    
    stephieboy, Trump has won because most people agree with him. He is only facing “heat” from bitter hateful losers and he laughs in their faces.
    
    The media are an alternative reality that don’t matter to normal people.
    
    People like you have had their day and its over. Time to rebuild and take out the garbage.
    
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    February 18, 2017 2:22pm
    - stephieboy
      
      ” normal people.”
      
      You ? Oh sure !
      
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      February 18, 2017 3:48pm
- Biscuit
  
  Aw, AgentB, it’s a public forum and Stephieboy is just availing himself of the opportunity to forum publicly!
  
  You mightn’t always agree with him – but it’d be a BORING world if we all agreed, right?
  
  Just be thankful that most of his posts are brief and aren’t one-subject-focussed as OTHER megaposters in here usually are…
  
  Onya, stephieboy!
  
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  February 18, 2017 8:31pm
Hugh Pavletich

MIRVAC’S SUSAN LLOYD – HURWITZ MAY BE JUST WHAT AUSTRALIA NEEDS ON THE HOUSING ISSUE

… It is well past time for women to be at the forefront of driving for change to restore affordable housing …

… After all, they are often THE major victims with unaffordable housing and the associated mortgage slavery …

Building a reputation: Inspiring property boss Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz crowned 2014 Telstra NSW Business Woman of the Year | Daily Telegraph

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/building-a-reputation-inspiring-property-boss-susan-lloydhurwitz-crowned-2014-telstra-nsw-business-woman-of-the-year/news-story/b02a5ede05f6af6aee57af47a01cd5ac

Mirvac’s Lloyd-Hurwitz calls for housing affordability taskforce … The Australian
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/mirvacs-lloydhurwitz-calls-for-housing-affordability-taskforce/news-story/659fe42c46fe46e487a0322186e37ed6

The boss of the $8 billion residential and commercial property group Mirvac has called for a taskforce to make all levels of government, plus corporates and the community sector, work ¬together to tackle the housing ¬affordability crisis.

“Crisis is a strong word, but when Sydney is the second-most unaffordable city in the world I think it’s probably a justified term,” Mirvac chief executive Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz told The Australian. “It’s something we need to address holistically.”

Sydney was recently ranked below all other global cities except Hong Kong in terms of affordability for home buyers, in a study by Demographia that compared the average house price to the average household income.

New NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has listed housing ¬affordability as one of her top ¬priorities, and this week appointed former Reserve Bank boss Glenn Stevens to advise the government on solutions.

“Supply is the main issue. Lack of supply is the key driver of why we’ve had such strong price growth,” Ms Lloyd-Hurwitz said. … read more via hyperlink above …
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February 18, 2017 2:32pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Mirvac – Board Members – MD & CEO Susan Lloyd – Hurwitz
  
  http://www.mirvac.com/About/Our-Team/Board-Members/
  
  Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz was appointed Chief Executive Officer & Managing Director in August 2012 and a Director of Mirvac Board in November 2012.
  
  Prior to this appointment, Susan was Managing Director at LaSalle Investment Management. Susan has also held senior executive positions at MGPA, Macquarie Group and Lend Lease Corporation, working in Australia, the US and Europe.
  
  Susan has been involved in the real estate industry for over 27 years, with extensive experience in investment management in both the direct and indirect markets, development, mergers and acquisitions, disposals, research and business strategy.
  
  Susan is also President of INSEAD Australasian Council, a Director of the Green Building Council of Australia, a member of the NSW Public Service Commission Advisory Board and National Vice President of the Property Council of Australia.
  
  Susan holds a Bachelor of Arts (Hons) from the University of Sydney and an MBA (Distinction) from INSEAD (France).
  
  Deluge of affordability data forces government’s hand | The New Daily
  
  http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2017/02/02/housing-affordability/
  
  Voter backlash and a slew of damaging data has made it impossible for the government to refuse to act on housing affordability, setting the scene for a May budget that unleashes superannuation fund money to fix the problem.
  
  Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull pledged to the National Press Club on Wednesday that “ensuring more Australians can afford to buy a home is a priority”, although he warned there are “no quick fixes or silver bullets”.
  
  It has been a tough two weeks for a party that until recently denied there was anything wrong, as report after report proved the ‘Australian Dream’ is getting out of reach. … read more via hyperlink above …
  
  Demographia in the news …
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=demographia&tbm=nws
  
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  February 18, 2017 2:35pm
  - Happychappy
    
    We couldn’t care a less about Australia or your drivel Hugh it’s happening world wide and you are trying to feather your nest off the unfortunate in my opinion.
    
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    February 18, 2017 3:49pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Hugh:
    
    Why do you repeatedly add this to your comments:
    
    Demographia in the news …
    https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=demographia&tbm=nws
    
    The hyperlink is just a google search for “Demographia”.
    
    Can’t you at least link to something worthwhile for goodness sake?
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:52pm
- Komata
  
  Caps, Hugh; again?
  
  You’re losing your audience…
  
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  February 18, 2017 5:08pm
  - Hugh Pavletich
    
    Australia with about 5 times the population pumps out roughly 8 times the residential consents we do.
    
    They have been producing way too much bubble high density stuff … but that is tanking.
    
    My view is that they will sort out infrastructure financing to rev up the real need detached housing sector. There is no way that will allow their construction sector to tank.
    
    Turnbull, Berejeklian and Lloyd – Hurwitz sure are making the right noises.
    
    Should that happen, NZ has very serious problems indeed.
    
    Bill English will deeply regret not sorting this out following the October 2012 NZ Govt Housing Announcement.
    
    No wonder English looks so miserable and lost. Key sure landed him in it.
    
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    February 19, 2017 5:17pm
realityczech

Race, Genes And Intelligence

But if you choose to fight the evidence, here’s what you’re up against. Among white Americans, the average IQ, as of a decade or so ago, was 103. Among Asian-Americans, it was 106. Among Jewish Americans, it was 113. Among Latino Americans, it was 89. Among African-Americans, it was 85. Around the world, studies find the same general pattern: whites 100, East Asians 106, sub-Sarahan Africans 70. One IQ table shows 113 in Hong Kong, 110 in Japan, and 100 in Britain. White populations in Australia, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa, and the United States score closer to one another than to the worldwide black average. It’s been that way for at least a century.

http://www.rense.com/general79/dut.htm

I am all for objective unbiased policy based on science.
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February 18, 2017 2:56pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Well, if we all knew what IQ actually was….
  
  and if we all knew what IQ tests were actually measuring….
  
  and if we all knew that one IQ test was comparable with another IQ test….
  
  but as we don’t….
  I’m happy to assign IQ theory to the dustbin of psychobabble.
  
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  February 18, 2017 3:12pm
  - realityczech
    
    “I’m happy to assign IQ theory to the dustbin of psychobabble.”
    
    So am I. Funny though that Obama supporters and Trump haters are not.
    
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    February 18, 2017 3:19pm
- stephieboy
  
  reslityczech, from rense ? Your Joking ?
  
  “The Pseudoscience of Psychometry and The Bell Curve”
  
  Abstract
  
  This article claims The Bell Curve merely reiterates the fallacious argument long embraced by psychometricians: that intelligence can be reduced to a single ordinal measure (g) that is the primary factor for determining group or individual social-class status. The book’s policy recommendations, particularly its call to dismantle initiatives designed to ameliorate social inequality, are shown to have evolved from pseudoscientific theories about the distribution of cognitive abilities across racial/ethnic groups. Evidence from the biological sciences and quantitative genetics is presented, pointing to the significance of environmental and physiological factors neglected by the psychometric program. These data reveal that social inequality is not a symptom of immutable biological inequalities but rather the result of longstanding biases and differential opportunity structures.”
  
  https://www.jstor.org/stable/2967209?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
  
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  February 18, 2017 3:41pm
  - realityczech
    
    You should not cut and paste things you don’t understand. The science is settled. If you choose to measure IQ then blacks are way way way down on other groups.
    
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    February 18, 2017 3:52pm
    - stephieboy
      
      realityczech, the science settled by whom ?
      
      For Whom the Bell Curve Really Tolls
      
      A tendentious tome abuses science to promote far-right policies
      
      https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/for-whom-the-bell-curve-really-toll/
      
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      February 18, 2017 3:59pm
  - Komata
    
    Spelling is not your strength is it?
    
    (Just saying).
    
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    February 18, 2017 5:10pm
- Gabby
  
  How come you’re so fuckin stupid then czitty?
  
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  February 18, 2017 6:11pm
realityczech

A great piece by Paul Joseph Watson calling out virtue signalling celebrities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHnjlQC6Puw
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February 18, 2017 3:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  You are now entering Paul Joesph Watson Conspiracy la la land ,
  
  https://medium.com/@Alex__Katz/paul-joseph-watson-is-a-conspiracy-theorist-it-s-an-obvious-fact-d4a6a27e4288#.j8w16gmmd
  
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  February 18, 2017 3:45pm
  - Fletch
    
    Stephie, play the ball not the man. Tell us which parts of the video you take issue with or claim are unfactual.
    
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    February 18, 2017 3:51pm
- Rodney Randall
  
  Outstanding!
  
  Send the Sharia Patrols around to J K Rowlings!
  
  Lilly Allen crying was vomit inducing.
  
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  February 18, 2017 6:13pm
stephieboy

Fletch, his overall and past credibilty is highly relevant whereby one can glean much about the current state of Watson’s credibilty today .
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February 18, 2017 3:56pm
- realityczech
  
  stephieboy, The UK the US, Europe, South America, The Baltic, Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, Asia, are all agreeing with Paul Joseph Watson’s position on immigration.
  
  Who agrees with you loser ?
  
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  February 18, 2017 4:06pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Ni Hao Mrs Stephie
  
  Edit- what do you think of Mr Stephie linking to porn sites? Creepy huh. Not very Christian either…
  You’ll have to get him to ask for forgiveness in Church tomorrow eh.
  
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  February 18, 2017 4:15pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red, give up your peculiar obssession including stalking .
    
    You stilll know where I live and who I am ?
    
    Have another go ?
    
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    February 18, 2017 4:25pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You’re the stalker Pornoboy. How many posts on other people’s comments? Sad!
      And yes…
      
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      February 18, 2017 4:29pm
  - realityczech
    
    “You stilll know where I live and who I am ?”
    
    stephieboy, this is not Grindr, stop inviting men around to your house.
    
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    February 18, 2017 4:30pm
Maggy Wassilieff

At least two stephieboys are posting here today.

Contrast stephieboy’s reply to Fletch at 3:56 pm with the misspellings and grammar cankers previously posted.
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February 18, 2017 4:12pm
- realityczech
  
  Pre/post meds ?
  
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  February 18, 2017 4:15pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Oh, I hadn’t considered that….
    or the old split personality gyp.
    
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    February 18, 2017 4:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy W , infantile as per usual ?
      
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      February 18, 2017 4:26pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Na, just busy…
        
        I’ve reread your 3:56pm posting…..
        
        I see you have misspelt credibility twice.
        
        Your use of the comma and apostrophe had momentarily floored me.
        
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        February 18, 2017 4:45pm
    - realityczech
      
      This is a common trait among gay muslims Maggy. It is a manifestation of the internal conflict they have regarding their boy-buggery, women hating, goat raping, and their religious beliefs.
      
      He is also lashing out at his host culture due to his entire family being on the terrorist watch list composed by his idol Obama.
      
      I worry about stephieboy as he is clearly not fitting in and is isolated and resentful towards whites and our society. Alarmingly we do not have a Trump to protect us from such people.
      
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      February 18, 2017 4:27pm
      - Gabby
        
        You know way too much about gay muzlims czitty.
        
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        February 18, 2017 6:10pm
- Manolo
  
  He is illiterate despite his claimed Women’s Studies degree from Waikato University. Cannot write properly.
  
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  February 19, 2017 6:50am
SPC

Scott Brown as US Ambassador to Enzed.

1. Wants to ride his bike in New Zealand
2. Older version of Trudeau – better keep him away from Ivanka …

Great deal …

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/
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February 18, 2017 4:29pm
- realityczech
  
  SPC how handy the gutter press tells you these things and even what to think about people.
  
  Stay classy loser.
  
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  February 18, 2017 4:38pm
  - SPC
    
    Note once again that the Trumpistas/Trumpeteers are like delicate very very white snowflakes as sensitive to criticism of Trump as he is.
    
    They cannot handle the truth/still free media criticism of the idolised one of the Trump tower.
    
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    February 18, 2017 5:03pm
    - realityczech
      
      I think Trump tower should be a Shrine. We can fund it by cutting hand outs to minority groups.
      
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      February 18, 2017 5:11pm
      - SPC
        
        Which one, they spread across nations like vermin from Babel.
        
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        February 18, 2017 5:19pm
      - Lance
        
        Well you definitely do worship Trump as a deity so I guess you calling for Trump Tower to be a shrine makes sense.
        
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        February 18, 2017 5:23pm
- Gabby
  
  Fat bottomed brown you make the water board go round.
  
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  February 18, 2017 6:08pm
cha

drip

drip

drip

Decoded: one or more of NYT, CNN or NBCNews has a very very damaging story in the pipeline …— David Frum (@davidfrum) February 17, 2017

… whose accuracy has now been confirmed in advance https://t.co/x6Fff6wSwi— David Frum (@davidfrum) February 17, 2017
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February 18, 2017 4:48pm
- realityczech
  
  No one is believing this FAKE NEWS bullshit drippy.
  
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  February 18, 2017 5:15pm
  - Gabby
    
    Don’t go beleibing stuff just cos it’s true czitty.
    
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    February 18, 2017 6:05pm
  - cha
    
    No…no, gnus, fake gnus.
    
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    February 18, 2017 6:23pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Cha, I can’t remember when or where it was but one of THE TV moments that almost had me erm watering my undies was when a shot of hundreds of wildebeest was shown.
      
      Something frightened them and they all turned and ran in the direction of the (presumably hidden) camera.
      
      Cue a voiceover:
      ‘The time is 6 o’clock and here is the gnus…’
      
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      February 18, 2017 8:36pm
- SPC
  
  First in the queue is emoluments – how can Trump use the Florida resort as a base and not gain free publicity for a business he still owns – foreign media covers these occasions – Japan the first.
  
  Next in line is Comey’s briefing of Senators about his investigation into Flynn/dealings with Russians.
  
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  February 18, 2017 5:37pm
stigie

The downticks for Stiffyboy are somewhat warranted as we all know, but have you all stopped to think if he was at all “over medicated” and unable to comprehend..?
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February 18, 2017 4:52pm
Viking2

A Federal Law Says That Trump Can Stop Issuing Visas To Countries That Are Deemed “uncooperative”

Trump has the Constitutional right to do this because of a 1952 immigration and nationality law.
The 9th Circuit Court never mention this law in their ruling

http://defiantamerica.com/federal-law-says-trump-can-stop-issuing-visas-countries-deemed-uncooperative/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJCjPJ6rSQs
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February 18, 2017 5:48pm
- SGA
  
  @Viking2
  
  Trump has the Constitutional right to do this because of a 1952 immigration and nationality law.
  
  Side-stepping this particular issue for a second and talking about general principles – I thought it worked the other way round; other laws had to conform to the Constitution (i.e., only the Constitution can give you a Constitutional right to do something). Happy to be corrected.
  
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  February 18, 2017 6:01pm
  - Viking2
    
    Just thought you would like to know there are other more informed opinions available.
    
    https://www.facebook.com/IvankaTrump1stDaughter/photos/a.393983787622846.1073741828.393956790958879/410311672656724/?type=3&theater
    
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    February 18, 2017 6:47pm
    - SGA
      
      huh? Sorry, Viking2, I’m not sure how that addresses my query?
      
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      February 18, 2017 7:26pm
- Gabby
  
  Then why didn’t he? Cos he’s advised by fellow fucknuts, that’s why.
  
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  February 18, 2017 6:02pm
Viking2

Robert Davi With An Open Letter To The Hollywood Elite And The Rest Of America

http://www.usasupreme.com/robert-davi-open-letter-hollywood-elite-rest-america/

Hits the”stars’ bang on.
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February 18, 2017 6:45pm
- SPC
  
  If you ignore the matter of moral authority to deal with illegals if one is issuing executive orders in breach of the constitution.
  
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  February 18, 2017 6:59pm
SPC

Asian style.

Malaysian (Moslem) politician regarded as a threat to the government accused of sodomy and imprisoned.

Filipino (war on drugs) human rights critic of Duerte accused of drug crimes.

Hong Kong – booksellers go missing (all selling books not approved of in Beijing).

North Korea, ex pats die by poisoning.

Russia, dissident politicians risk violent death, ex pats die by poisoning, pro Europe politicians in Ukraine also at risk of being poisoned.

Bangladesh, Pakistan – pro civil liberties/human rights/feminists bloggers risk death. So do Christians and Shia Moslems for being alive – and any politician (traitor to other Moslems) concerned about it.

Iran, people vetted by an Islamist theocracy before they can stand for parliament.
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February 18, 2017 6:47pm
Viking2

Has anyone noticed that the Syrian debacle is no longer in the headlines. Gone.
Perhaps they are nervous of Trump and what the USA might do to clean the arseends out..
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February 18, 2017 6:50pm
- SPC
  
  The fight over Aleppo is over and there is a form of cease-fire applying in the rest of western Syria.
  
  As for the IS in the east – Kurds lead the offensive on the ground against them (supported by the FSA moderates) but have to look over the shoulder at the Turks – who now have them rather than Assad as their number one target.
  
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  February 18, 2017 6:57pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Has anyone noticed that the Syrian debacle is no longer in the headlines
  Depends where you go looking for headlines..
  
  If you look beyond the news outlets obsessed with Trump, you can find that the Russians are still trying to subdue “rebels”
  http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/02/russia-targets-rebel-held-areas-syria-deraa-170216185755749.html
  
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  February 18, 2017 7:33pm
  - SPC
    
    It’s a very sensitive international issue that the western media is ignoring (for now) on the southern border.
    
    Moving beyond Syria attacking FSA moderates in breach of the cease-fire and getting Russian air support for this (not an American issue because they were not a party to the cease-fire) this is about much more than the checkpoint on the Jordan border but has an impact on the Golan Heights, the west of this southern province – the Israeli border.
    
    Israel is concerned that neither Iranian militia or Hizbollah are on the Golan Heights border. This is their prime concern as to Syrian civil war outcome.
    
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    February 18, 2017 10:14pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/89559332/communications-and-cordons-heavily-criticised-at-port-hills-meeting

Dear oh dear oh dear.

Poor old Lianne must be close to paying the Psych Services Crisis Team a visit now?

She really is falling to pieces. Poor thing.

There is much public speculation, rightly or wrongly that she is not at all well…upstairs.
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February 18, 2017 7:24pm
Tokyo_Joe

The latest Annual Report from Radio NZ makes for an interesting read, not least the employee remuneration section, given the speculation in the second half of 2015 about how much it cost the taxpayer to hire John Campbell.

On page 24 of

http://www.radionz.co.nz/assets/cms_uploads/000/000/077/RNZ-Annual_Report-2015-16_FINAL.pdf

you can see the remuneration ranges for employees whose remuneration for the year ended 30 June 2016 was in excess of $100,000-

Draw your own conclusions as to which employees might be in the top 3 ranges.
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February 18, 2017 7:33pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Bet its not Jesse on the $400,000 – $409,000 bracket.
  
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  February 18, 2017 7:40pm
  - Tokyo_Joe
    
    Ha ha, very good, that I think is certain.
    
    At a guess I would say the CEO gets the gold medal, followed by Kathryn Ryan and John Campbell, but that’s just me speculating. Who knows…
    
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    February 18, 2017 8:06pm
Viking2

A good watch about Australia and the Keep Australia White Policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X20748_iOD8
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February 18, 2017 9:09pm
rightoverlabour

Once again it looks like Civil Defense couldn’t organise a piss up in a brewery. FFS its not armageddon. Its a god damn fire which seems mostly undercontrol. And if they did a couple of controlled burns before the place became a tinder box, and created a couple of decent fire breaks, there wouldn’t be an issue. I just hope I never have to deal with these “tick box” bureaucrats.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/89559332/communications-and-cordons-heavily-criticised-at-port-hills-meeting
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February 18, 2017 10:10pm
rightoverlabour

I hope this effing destroys Labour completely. Fucking retards. http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/89563099/willie-jackson-gets-a-waiver-from-labour-taking-his-candidacy-to-the-next-stage
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February 18, 2017 10:11pm
Manolo

Will the animal be mourned?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/02/18/sheikh-omar-abdel-rahman-mastermind-behind-1993-world-trade-center-attack-has-died.html
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