General Debate 17 February 2017

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PhilBest

Guess who said this in a guest lecture in 2000:

“…the Treaty cannot be any kind of founding document, as it is sometimes said to be. It does not resolve the question of sovereignty, if only because one version of it claims one form of sovereignty and the other version claims the opposite. The Court of Appeal once, absurdly, described it as a partnership between races, but it obviously is not….(there are) dangers posed by the increasing entrenchment of the Treaty…its implications are profoundly undemocratic.”
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February 17, 2017 8:03am
- Inandout
  
  The Don.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:06am
  - PhilBest
    
    In 2000? Too early.
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:10am
    - mandk
      
      It was Brash. Took me five seconds to find it, but I cheated.
      
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      February 17, 2017 8:19am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Took me less and I didn’t!
        
        Follow Mr Brash on his quest at Hobsons Pledge.
        
        http://www.hobsonspledge.nz/don_brash
        
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        February 17, 2017 8:21am
      - PhilBest
        
        Brash just the other day, quoting someone else from 2000. Read what you found on Google, more carefully!
        
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        February 17, 2017 8:40am
      - Scott
        
        Don Brash has said a number of sensible things also including why, when we had an excellent economy at the time, do we have ever increasing welfare rolls? Isn’t it time we got people back to work and off welfare? This was a great insight because he highlighted the institutional permanent nature of welfare as determined by the left. The left is quite happy to have lots of people paid for by the government. Who do you think they are going to vote for?
        
        As I think Winston Churchill once said “if you are robbing Peter to pay Paul, you can always count on Paul’s support.”
        
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        February 17, 2017 8:47am
      - SPC
        
        Scott, which is why Key promised not to touch super. Since then the over 50’s demographic moved to National in a big way.
        
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        February 17, 2017 11:26am
    - PhilBest
      
      OK, we seem to have gone off the track here!
      
      That was DAVID LANGE, in the Bruce Jesson Memorial Lecture, 2000.
      
      Brash quoted him 3 days ago.
      
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      February 17, 2017 9:46am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Is the right answer.
        
        I stand corrected and I was at the meeting when he made that quote.
        
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        February 17, 2017 10:40am
duggledog

It appears TV3 is basing its future on the ability of a bunch of (admittedly quite funny) comedians.

Everywhere you look if it isn’t that Dai Henwood fellow it’s one of the Seven Days team in some form or other, and Jono and Ben, who are also radio DJs.

I don’t think it’s a plan that’s going to get them out of the shit. TV3 is bleeding money out of every orifice.

We have bets on at the office over their survival this year.
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February 17, 2017 8:03am
- kowtow
  
  TV 3’s “comedians” are funny ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:14am
  - G152
    
    Well most of us are laughing at tv3..
    look at the loopy label they found in La La land
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:27am
    - sooty
      
      And what the hell does the new saying mean? Are they all queers? Who was the pedo comedian.
      
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      February 17, 2017 12:06pm
  - Fletch
    
    Can’t stand them….
    
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    February 17, 2017 12:35pm
- dime
  
  Jono is a good dude.
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:30am
  - Garbageman
    
    Yeah its his giggling sidekick that gives me the shits im glad they have been moved on from The Rock their fart jokes are more suited to The Edge and the kiddies that listen to it
    
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    February 17, 2017 10:22am
duggledog

Phil

Bill English
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February 17, 2017 8:05am
- PhilBest
  
  No, he gave a superb one in 2002, though. We talked about it on KB General Debate a coupla weeks ago. Pity DPF is with the Nats establishment on this, otherwise he’d be dedicating whole discussion threads to Treaty revisionism.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:14am
Manolo

Pakistan, failed state:
http://thediplomat.com/2017/02/new-wave-of-terrorist-attacks-casts-doubt-on-pakistans-security-forces/

Pakistan is experiencing a fresh spell of violence with shadowy characters once again re-surfacing and re-invigorating old alliances.

The February 13 blast in Lahore is the latest in the series of terrorist attacks carried out mostly in Pakistan’s restive north and southeast during the past three weeks.

Jamat-ul-Ahrar, a faction of the banned Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan, claimed responsibility for the February 13 attack. The same group had targeted Christians, mostly women and children, in the city’s Gulshan-e-Iqbal Park in March last year.
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February 17, 2017 8:06am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I think you are very incorrect my friend. Pakistan is not a failed state but is heading towards a future that every Muslim country will eventually reach. It is after all the end goal of most of its inhabitants.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:18am
- kowtow
  
  It must be a failed state , Obummer has bombed it.
  
  Question is , why hasn’t the Don put it on his list of 7 , along with Saudi Arabia?
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow, a state also the the US and Geroge W Bush sought an alliance with to combat Al Queda ,
    
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/04/AR2006030400467.html
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:59am
Paulus Gnome

If I was God for today, I would send this Auckland deluge to Christchurch.
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February 17, 2017 8:16am
- fernglas
  
  Typical JAFA. It’s not just an Auckland deluge. We have deluges here too, you know. Great deluges. You would not believe the size of the deluges.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:26am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Sounds like a case of deluge envy, unusual but not unheard of.
    
    Remember to take your brolly today then,
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:39am
  - dime
    
    you guys have the best deluges, run by the best people. very expensive.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:52am
Happychappy

How can you win Annette King sit in Parliament every week moaning and lying that the government are not doing the job they were Elected to do and then Gerry Brownlee makes a statement that there needs to be changes to Civil defence because they were to slow to declare a state of emergency and this hypocrite slags him off. Labour again hear a siren and are out chasing the passing car and condemning the messenger before looking and finding out that he is probably right.
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February 17, 2017 8:17am
- Paulus
  
  The Mayor of Christchurch was prevaricating on tele last evening – not my patch not my fault.
  Until Brownlee shouted loud that nothing appeared to have been done. Burnham Camp just watched until they were given the instructions to help by the Minister whereas Dalziel could have done something positive.
  As usual the local pollies sat back and watched.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:38am
  - cmm
    
    Dalziel is Labour through and through.
    
    Problem happens, find a scapegoat, job done!
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:11am
duggledog

Good god I’m watching this new ‘AM Show’ on TV3.

Garner has a panel for discussing current topics.

It consists of the weather girl who they’re trying to manufacture into a star cos she’s part Maori and a Radio Live producer.

Riveting.
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February 17, 2017 8:20am
- Lance
  
  Watch TV1 Breakfast and see which makes you puke first
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    You deserve what you get if you are silly enough to turn the crap on in the first place.
    
    There are times where silence and nothing are seriously under-rated.
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:26am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yep, I now frequently turn National Radio (RNZ) off after I’ve got the basic news/weather at 6 or 7am.
      You discover it’s a load of repetitious drivel if you subject yourself to 3 hours of Morning Report.
      
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      February 17, 2017 9:27am
      - Komata
        
        Maggy
        
        You too? Once the weather is given (and the ‘Main Center Forecast’ – when they remember), off it goes. it has its uses, and listening to ‘Paid Political Broadcasts’ on behalf of the NZLP (aka “Morning Report’) is not one of them…
        
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        February 17, 2017 12:46pm
  - wiseowl
    
    I’m watching Fox, 3, BBC,RT and Sky News all at once.
    Trumpys press conference this morning great.
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:38am
    - Nukuleka
      
      RNZ ‘news’ this morning tells us, via a laughing BBC reporter, that Trump was ‘casual with the truth’ at the news conference without giving us one example to support his contention. It’s kind of like a given that we are all in this anti-Trump foodfight together and OF COURSE we all agree with their leftie progressive anti-Trump propaganda. It sickens me.
      
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      February 17, 2017 9:43am
      - stephieboy
        
        Nukuleka , Trump always speaks the Truth ??
        
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        February 17, 2017 10:03am
    - Manolo
      
      President Trump needles the “impartial” BBC:
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4232504/Donald-Trump-dig-BBC-again.html
      
      Donald Trump has had another swipe at the BBC in a heated back-and-forth during a White House press conference.
      
      The President remarked ‘Here’s another beauty’ after asking BBC North America editor Jon Sopel which organisation he was from.
      
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      February 17, 2017 12:54pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo, Ok for Fox or Breitbart to needle Trump’s predecessor but not your idol ?
        
        The” impartial BBC ” should be in gushing praise of Trump ?
        
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        February 17, 2017 12:57pm
  - holysheet
    
    It’s a race to see who gets to the bottom first. Talk about dumbing down for your audience.
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:49am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I used to turn on the telly to Paul Henry. So far this year, I have managed to resist the urge to turn the telly on at 6am to watch the news, and I go to work in a much better frame of mind.
    
    BTW – is it possible that Three’s new “current affairs” offering The Project could be as bad as the promos? I certainly won’t be watching it to find out.
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:50am
    - sooty
      
      With tv3 new name how can you expect anything else than shit.
      
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      February 17, 2017 12:11pm
- howitis
  
  It was pouring with rain this morning in Auckland and damn cold so I woke up early.
  With the extra time I thought I would glance at some breakfast TV Nu Zild Style.
  What a sack of trash and tragedy!
  
  I thought I would look at TV3 or +HR something. The reskinned P Henry.
  Two of the three hosties have the most nauseating voices. The women has a piercing voice that could be used in cutting Stainless Steel and the heavily lippied up massive lips were distracting.
  Puffy Gooner as usual has the most nauseating put-on false pitched voice. How did he stay on radio for so long – not that I would listen. 7 minutes and outa there.
  
  After that Eden Terrace tragedy I thought I would look in on ‘Mum and Son on One’.
  The Diversity just ain’t working. There was a Polynesian man sort of um ah blurting news and um ah sport. He is so non-mensa he could not even pronounce common names. He could not say ‘Friedman’ but showed his preference for ‘Fried’ Chicken.
  Then he could not say the name of the Olympic medal winning cyclist Simon van Velthooven.
  He was not the only idiot at beachball TV. They could not even spell Stepehn Stephen whatever Kearney’s name and were way off. I’m not so sure about all this gayness, diversity, and inclusion when they don’t even try to get right a Dutch name, a Jewish name, and a Polynesian man’s name.
  Let’s just blame it on white males, I guess.
  
  All that diversity has Fried their pea brains. I did not hang about for Mom and son as I had enough.
  Back to the internet. Phew.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:31am
  - RF
    
    howitis. That female that looks as if she has had a Botox lip injection gone wrong makes a good impersonation of a galah parrot when talking.
    
    Even my long suffering wife who does not slag people off has commented on her unfortunate looks. Not TV material and should be hidden behind a microphone.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:03am
  - marcw
    
    You’re right about the pronunciation thing howitis– yet we have Maori ‘leaders’ complaining us 4th generation NZ’s of European ancestry don’t speak Maori properly. I’ll start worrying about how I get every Maori word or place name correct when Maori get to speak English correctly – do youse agree?
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:45am
    - Grant
      
      do youse agree?….
      Hang on, I’ll just arks a friend.
      G
      
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      February 17, 2017 1:47pm
  - MCos
    
    NZ breakfast TV is the equivalent of eating Cocopops and I would suggest it’s meant to be that way.
    Similarly Seven Sharp is about as cerebral as a Big Mac
    
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    February 17, 2017 11:36am
    - howitis
      
      I would think the 7pm slot is troublesome for revenue.
      It is based on advertising and the target audience for this dross must be the over 50s who have settled most of their brand suppliers so don’t swap about and have most capital items sorted.
      The under 50s are not engaging and if they use screen time it is via devices straight to a web site.
      
      Not long to go for these dinosaurs.
      
      Govt should have flogged TVNZ years ago but they just spent $60 million on a new building fit out in Central Auckland (like they need to be there?) which includes the 100% blowout from a $30m budget.
      They will tell you it was funded from ‘their money not the taxpayer’. cough cough. leech leech.
      
      The dirty tax dodgers** at Mediajerks/TV3=+=$% were aware of the revenue challenge for 7pm so tried to do a shifty one on NZ On Air a year or so back by moving their post 7pm Political show to 6.30 and getting Govt funding. NZ on air saw through it. Nada, sweet cheeks.
      ** tax dodge- collapsed company in 2013 to get out of a $22m tax liability.
      
      The TV3=++= dirty tax dodgers already get in the vicinity of $30 mill pa taxpayers dough ray me from NZ on Air.
      http://www.nzonair.govt.nz/search/funding/television/national-tv/?keyword=&date_from=&date_to=&broadcaster%5B%5D=TV3&s=1#results
      The Hui over half mill; Jono and Ben $1.7 mill; over a $mill for 7 Days etc etc.
      
      They are shameless street walkers.
      
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      February 17, 2017 1:21pm
- waikatogirl
  
  The woman, Amanda someone, on TV3 am looks like Margo Ledbetter off The Good Life. ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:59am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Faces for radio, like Gower.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:11am
- Liberty
  
  Breakfast TV is for the old and infirm.
  Who else has the time.
  
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  February 17, 2017 11:52am
  - sooty
    
    Yeah, the ones that can not reach the remote.
    
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    February 17, 2017 12:13pm
    - MCos
      
      How did they turn it on?
      
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      February 17, 2017 1:36pm
RF

How ironic. Ritchie McCaw was risking his life to save Christchurch homes and lives.

Dan Carter was risking French lives by driving over the legal alcohol limit.

Where’s Big Bruv when you need him.
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February 17, 2017 8:23am
- holysheet
  
  Who is like me and over Ritchie McCaw?
  Let him live his life. He is now only one of many chopper pilots doing what they have done for years and nobody gave a fuck about them and the dangers they faced daily.
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:04am
  - marcw
    
    I understand where you are coming from Holysheet, but like all the people I have talked to we all had a first thought when the news came out – “Oh God, I hope it isn’t Ritchie”. It’s human nature.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:49am
    - waikatogirl
      
      I wonder what that nice Josh Kronfeld is doing these days! //
      
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      February 17, 2017 10:05am
  - RF
    
    I agree but was making the comparison with god child who now might have trouble walking on water.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:53am
- Awww C-mon
  
  double the french limit…. if true is two glasses of red.
  
  See this deck of over-sized cards spread before you?
  
  Yeah… its a big fucking deal
  
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  February 17, 2017 5:57pm
backster

The Kapiti Mayor has been explaining to disgruntled ratepayers why drains in the district are not cleaned unless absolutely essential resulting in periodic flooding.” Under the National Policy Freshwater Management Policy Statement 2014. A drain is a stream on the basis of ecological life within them. Council has to undertake an Eco Assessment ( Cost $7000 ) a Cultural Assessment (Cost $5000) A monitoring approved consent application and process (cost $10,000) and staff time (Cost$10,000). In one instance the Council spent almost $50,000 before before removing one shovel full of obstruction from the drain “……He is a new mayor elected on his campaign against wasteful expenditure… Of course there will also be more costs during the job to comply with Health and Safety…These details reported in the Kapiti News 15th Feb..Thank God I grew up in saner more simple times.
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February 17, 2017 8:23am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  I grew up when two blokes in brown overalls turned up with a long handled banjo each and dug out whatever silt had accumulated into the back of their Commer tip tray truck; they then went onto the next one to do the same, all without the benefit of a fleet of trucks with crash pads with a galaxy of flashing blinking lights.
  
  Easy really.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:36am
  - howitis
    
    Bear in mind they are mostly if not all external contractors to council now and not staff. There are multiple levels of communication and many (expensive) legal issues.
    40 or 50 years ago the Dept head would send out Joe and Harry after smoko to look at the blockage Mrs Jones called in.
    Now it is months of expensive comms and signing off works order, compliance, Bro sensitivity reviews, health and safety, emails to 200 people etc. for even a small job.
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:44am
    - holysheet
      
      Wait until the local Murri say there was a taniwha in that drain years ago. Pay me the money and it will go away. Puff the magic dragon was such a good song when I was growing up.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0PI2djoA10
      
      Go on, sing along, I know you want to.
      
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      February 17, 2017 8:53am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        The rain here has stopped for the moment, it is safe to go outside now HS, you’ll be fine; baby steps but take an umbrella just in case
        
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        February 17, 2017 9:14am
    - VicParking
      
      Worked at a Council a few years ago. The council employee who was responsible for water connections etc would pull up to the depot at smoko time. “Throw a barrow load of hot mix on the back of the truck boys and I’ll fix those pot holes on London St while I’m down that way”
      NO Way these days, not my contract, need a works order, need a health and safety clearance and will also need to consult the local IWI first.
      
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      February 17, 2017 10:40am
  - pdm
    
    Not only that Paulus but rural councils employed `roadmen’ whose job was to clear any blockages in the ditches on the sides of metal roads. They used to walk miles in a day.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:04am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Same blokes I reckon, and, as howitis points out above, nobody did anything until after smoko!
      
      Easy times.
      
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      February 17, 2017 9:16am
      - howitis
        
        The thing is they may have had their tea and cheese scones but the job got done and done promptly. The staff were members of the community and if they did a poor job they would get a rark up – of the sort now the road workers would need to go to a safe space to recover…. and have a family conference.
        
        They were long term employees and typically the crew had the skills built up over time and could assess the job themselves without multiple layers of legal voodoo.
        
        The job was very physical eg AB Grant Batty gave up office work and took on road work to harden himself up – it worked.
        Green and McCahill built up their business by employing immigrant labour with wheelbarrow and shovel. They would work under street lights to extend the working day.
        They did well from hard work. Kudos.
        
        Now we have this signage around 168 hours a week with go slow signs, epilepsy inducing lights, and zillions of Orange Cones but work being done less than 35 hours a week.
        
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        February 17, 2017 1:49pm
- Gabby
  
  Of course they’re paper costs and in no way represent the time and/or effort spent. Nice way of explaining why everyone just sat on their arses, saying the ‘costs’ were too high.
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:05am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Like my fing rates that pays for this crap.
    
    Goofy softening us up for a 9% rates increase by pretending that he is disappointed by the Governments refusal to allow a regional fuel tax to pay for ‘transport’ and floating the figure of a 16% rates increase.
    
    The 16% will be magically reduced to 9% by Goofy riding in on his white charger in a shiny metal suit to save the day when we all know that 9% was the real number all the time.
    
    What do these tossers take those who pay their way as such fools and why do we fools stick up for this shit!
    
    Goofy has said ‘the user must pay’ What about charging those who ride on public transport the true cost of their seat rather than the fare; the two have no resemblance to each other due to the enforced largesse of the long suffering rate payer!
    
    Shit f**k mutter mumble etc.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:24am
- waikatogirl
  
  The mayor and his advisers have probably never worked a physical job in their life. They have no real experience, only the Council’s latest ‘How To’ manual which has taken committees years to write.
  
  The left love a committee.
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:07am
  - sooty
    
    Yep! Can never get their arse kicked, if there is a committee!
    
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    February 17, 2017 12:18pm
Paulus

An interesting point will now arise, hopefully not, in regard to the tragic Christchurch fires.
For the first time since the Earthquakes the revised Insurance Policies will arise for those, so far 11, properties destroyed. One has said he was not insured.
But with the policy changes will the sum designated by the houseowner be sufficient to cover the devastation ?
There will be no serious discussion with the Insurance Companies. They know how much they will pay. Anything over that amount is not their problem.
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February 17, 2017 8:27am
- waikatogirl
  
  I agree Paulus, the insurance changes in estimating replacement of your own property is going to be a royal clusterf**k.
  
  Watch the number of people who have completely underestimated total replacement. Wait for the howls of complaint…
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:51am
  - holysheet
    
    And you can guess who will end up paying for this ~~underestimation~~ Negligence, especially in an election year. The call will go out from Liabore and Winstonfirst, Think of the children and its all John Keys fault.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:00am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    As I remember everyone had to submit a new replacement house cost after the earthquakes – I didn’t as I was leaving but I think there was a clause which stated that if the new costing was not submitted to your insurance company within a specified period all that you would be due was your original replacement cost.
    
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    February 17, 2017 2:05pm
Keeping Stock

Their may be some tension in our whare tonight, depending on whether the Hurricanes or the Crusaders win at Waverley.

It’s great though to see pre-season matches being taken to the provinces, and the Hurricanes have been leaders in that regard, starting with the successful promotion of Mangatainoka as a rugby venue in the shadow of the Tui Brewery. It’s also a nice piece of trolling by the ‘Canes organisation, given that the Border Rugby Club in Waverley has returned to the Wanganui Rugby Union from Taranaki, whilst Taranaki has thrown its lot in with the Chiefs.

If the rain stops, it should be a fantastic early evening 😎
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February 17, 2017 8:28am
- waikatogirl
  
  Thunderstorms and heavier rain predicted for later today KS. Could be a spectacular and muddy match. ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:54am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Just looking at the rain radar and the first rain sheet has already gone through. The next one looks as though it might pass inland, so I am guardedly optimistic 😎
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:08am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Just up the road in the Waikato, and it’s not getting any better. It’s chucking down. Good luck with it passing inland. ☔️
      
      Great rain for setting up an excellent autumn for the local farmers.
      
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      February 17, 2017 9:16am
Inandout

Trump’s speech was given a positive spin by Leighton, now watch the haters dissect every word uttered by the ELECTED President.
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February 17, 2017 8:46am
- Andrei
  
  A true Trump tirade according to the Stuff headline
  
  US President holds bizarre news conference where he delivers false information and dismisses a “Russian ruse”.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:49am
  - Inandout
    
    And the ‘celebrities’ are wetting their knickers, my God they are self centred pricks.
    
    http://www.gossipcop.com/celebrities-react-donald-trump-press-conference-speech-media/
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:56am
    - PhilBest
      
      I don’t know whether this will fall foul of KB rules, but James Delingpole has a term, “The Wankerati”, for celebrities, media talking heads, bureaucratic elites, etc.
      
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      February 17, 2017 9:03am
      - holysheet
        
        What rules?
        DPF is very liberal not only about politics but also his commenting policy. I agree with the latter and disagree with the former.
        
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        February 17, 2017 9:09am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        James Delingpole is a lot more restrained in his description of them than I am,
        
        Bunch of self absorbed fuckwits and cunts who live in gated communities, their only interaction with migrants is paying the mexican nanny and gardener minimum wage.
        
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        February 17, 2017 9:25am
      - Gabby
        
        Jimbo Smokingpole is Lord of the Wankerati.
        
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        February 17, 2017 7:16pm
- Ross12
  
  The latest Bill Still report is worth watching. An ex state AG was in Fox explaining how the leakers should be caught relatively easily.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IdG4C2UkL-I&t=4s
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:14am
Happychappy

You have to wonder about TV Three and Kate Rodgers, ” what a great new show and great job you guys have done in your first week ” five stars. The only difference about show is that the Host has a different political leaning to that of Paul Henry and the subjects that are discussed favour the Left,
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February 17, 2017 9:10am
Manolo

The NY Post on Trump and the MSM:
http://nypost.com/2017/02/16/trump-goes-on-rambling-rant-against-the-media/
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February 17, 2017 9:17am
BananaLlama

Hahaha God i love these pressers everyone just watches and waits for the MSM to get lit up. It’s going to be a long 16 years for the Democrats.
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February 17, 2017 9:24am
Jack5

As a long-time Christchurch resident I find some of the media coverage of the fires sickening.

For example, Christchurch is suffering from “crisis fatigue” says old Leftist radio hack Gary McCormick. For example, this from a report in the Christchurch Press:

Back then we took to the hills, looking down upon our earthquake-damaged city in horror.

Now we are looking up to the our fire-ravaged Port Hills, staring horrified at the spiralling smoke plumes and dust clouds.

It’s nothing short of devastating.

FFS, compared with what’s happening in many parts of the world the Christchurch fires are a minor disturbance. I haven’t heard of any of the burned houses being without insurance cover. I feel sympathy for the family of the helicopter pilot killed. Yet still this fire’s scale has been nowhere near as devastating as bush fires in our neighbour, Australia.

New Zealanders once provided ourselves on being a stoic people. What now? Narcissistic scaredy-cats?
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February 17, 2017 9:25am
- waikatogirl
  
  Apparently 1 house lost to the fire was uninsured. Well you take your chances…
  
  I guess in these enlightened times the taxpayer or crowd funding will cover any of the uninsured idiots losses. //
  
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  February 17, 2017 10:13am
stephieboy

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Trump at a recent Press Conference gave a highly misleading account of his “massive “Electoral College” and voter landslide Presidential victory.Not since Reagan etc.. .

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-electoral-college-claim_us_58a5f184e4b045cd34bfa8e9

The simple fact is that even Obama attained a bigger lions share of the Electoral College vote than Trump.

Trump simply needs to learn to act like a President and not a real estate and casino spin doctor .
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February 17, 2017 9:29am
- BananaLlama
  
  Obama is a Republican?
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:31am
  - fernglas
    
    No, but Bush was, and he did better than Trump.
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    Nope ! But his predessor did better both in 2008 and 2012 winning 334 electoral college votes in 2012 and 365 in 2008. Trump also claimed he achived bigger than his Repblican predesscors since Reagan . A reporter pointed out that Geroge H acheived 426 in 1998.
    
    When further queried on this claim, Trump said, “I was given that information. I don’t know. I was just given it. We had a very, very big margin.”
    
    What a shambles !
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:46am
    - marcw
      
      And yet, Obama still achieved … well, what really? Managed to leave the USA in a rut, the laughing stock of the rest of the free world, a personal Nobel ‘peace’ prize? Wow, some legacy.
      
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      February 17, 2017 10:00am
      - stephieboy
        
        marcw,
        
        “laughing stock with the rest of the free world “???
        
        Here with John Keys , Abbott etc Australia , Cameron UK etc , etc ??
        
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        February 17, 2017 10:06am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Eight years at the helm and Sbot still manages to get John Keys name wrong – knob(s)
        
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        February 17, 2017 10:49am
- Manolo
  
  Trump simply needs to learn to act like a President and not a real estate and casino spin doctor
  
  …who smashed your beloved Hillary Clinton.
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    “smashed ” ? Like 1984 ? Even Obama 2008 and 2012 ?
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:47am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Don’t feed the troll, don’t feed the troll, don’t feed the troll
      
      Holds breath for 10 seconds.
      
      Ahhhh, better now.
      
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      February 17, 2017 10:15am
- holysheet
  
  9.29. What, back from the daily head banging so early this morning stupidboy? Or did the rain put you off going? Still, it makes no difference to your posting. Have you ever posted something that has it’s grammar, spelling or it’s content correct, Ever?
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:51am
  - stephieboy
    
    holyturd , simply put Trump made some highly misleading statements about his so called “landslide” election victory .
    
    Misleading statements that continues to bamboozle and confuse Trumpists like you .
    
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    February 17, 2017 10:11am
    - holysheet
      
      Try harder, there is no space before the comma or full stop.
      
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      February 17, 2017 10:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        Deflection for Trump never , never makes misleading statements about the magnitude of his “landslide ” election victory .
        
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        February 17, 2017 10:33am
      - fernglas
        
        I think stephieboy is a contentious drongo, too, holysheet, but before you school people on their spelling and grammar you should check your own. See your 9:51 comment.
        
        “…..it’s grammar, spelling or it’s content correct, Ever?”.
        
        That’s two misplaced apostrophes and a capital in the middle of a sentence.
        
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        February 17, 2017 10:36am
    - VicParking
      
      Stehieboy have you been reading the hairs on the back of your goat again.
      
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      February 17, 2017 11:02am
EAD

Not a peep about any of this in the NZ MSM Fake News outlets.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/02/16/left-accomplice-violence-riot-suburbs/

Former special advisor to France’s interior ministry Hugues Moutouh has accused the left-wing political establishment of complicity in the violence raging through the country’s migrant-dominated suburbs.

Mr Moutouh, who served as France’s youngest ever district prefect, slammed the left wing political class for “justifying” the rampant criminality that’s setting the suburbs ablaze, by their insistence that young thugs should be seen as victims.

“Again and again the same scenes of urban violence, the same images of cars burned, attacks of police stations, Molotov cocktails launched on the forces of order,” Mr. Moutouh wrote in a piece published by Le Figaro

Remember folks – it’s Le Pen and the so called “far right” who are the danger.

If only there were some “racist” football fans denying some self-entitled black access to an already crowded metro carriage. Then it would be front-page news!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/66431658/Paris-metro-Chelsea-fan-racism-victim-understood-taunts-with-no-English
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February 17, 2017 9:31am
Hugh Pavletich

AUSTRALIA – MIRVAC’S LLOYD-HURWITZ CALLS FOR HOUSING AFFORDABILITY TASKFORCE … THE AUSTRALIAN

Mirvac’s Lloyd-Hurwitz calls for housing affordability taskforce … The Australian
… google search title if blocked …

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/property/mirvacs-lloydhurwitz-calls-for-housing-affordability-taskforce/news-story/659fe42c46fe46e487a0322186e37ed6

The boss of the $8 billion residential and commercial property group Mirvac has called for a taskforce to make all levels of government, plus corporates and the community sector, work ¬together to tackle the housing ¬affordability crisis.

“Crisis is a strong word, but when Sydney is the second-most unaffordable city in the world I think it’s probably a justified term,” Mirvac chief executive Susan Lloyd-Hurwitz told The Australian. “It’s something we need to address holistically.”

Sydney was recently ranked below all other global cities except Hong Kong in terms of affordability for home buyers, in a study by Demographia that compared the average house price to the average household income.

New NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has listed housing ¬affordability as one of her top ¬priorities, and this week appointed former Reserve Bank boss Glenn Stevens to advise the government on solutions.

“Supply is the main issue. Lack of supply is the key driver of why we’ve had such strong price growth,” Ms Lloyd-Hurwitz said. … read more via hyperlink above …

Deluge of affordability data forces government’s hand | The New Daily

http://thenewdaily.com.au/money/property/2017/02/02/housing-affordability/

Voter backlash and a slew of damaging data has made it impossible for the government to refuse to act on housing affordability, setting the scene for a May budget that unleashes superannuation fund money to fix the problem.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull pledged to the National Press Club on Wednesday that “ensuring more Australians can afford to buy a home is a priority”, although he warned there are “no quick fixes or silver bullets”.

It has been a tough two weeks for a party that until recently denied there was anything wrong, as report after report proved the ‘Australian Dream’ is getting out of reach. … read more via hyperlink above …

Demographia in the news …

https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=demographia&tbm=nws
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February 17, 2017 9:44am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Here we go again.
  Yawn………….
  
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  February 17, 2017 10:23am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Hugh obviously not one of the unfortunate eleven who lost their houses then.
    
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    February 17, 2017 10:52am
  - Happychappy
    
    Do you think you could get Twyfords bitch to do one on Pakistan and India so we can see how much they pay.
    
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    February 17, 2017 6:47pm
- Komata
  
  Hugh
  
  ‘Caps’, Old Chap,’ Caps’.
  
  Otherwise we simply pass you by…
  
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  February 17, 2017 1:04pm
Jack5

When the war of the giants is over the wars of the pygmies will begin. – Winston Churchill.

The Washington Post, with the New York Times the key print critic of President Trump, is owned by Jeff Bezos, founder and chief executive of Amazon.

Bezos added $US 20 billion to his wealth in 2016.

Trump alleged of Bezos in mid-2016: ““He’s using the Washington Post, which is peanuts, he’s using that for political purposes to save Amazon in terms of taxes and in terms of antitrust.”

Trump was responding to legendary Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, who had disclosed the newspaper had assigned nearly two dozen reporters to investigate the real estate mogul Trump’s life.

“We’re going to do a book, we’re doing articles about every phase of his life,” Woodward told the National Association of Realtors convention.

Woodward said he had begun to look into Trump’s New York real estate deals, which he described as “more complex than the CIA.”

This is like the late 19th century, when the moguls of American capitalism were clashing.
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February 17, 2017 9:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5 ,
  
  “There are a terrible lot of lies going about the world, and the worst of it is that half of them are true.”
  
  Winston Churchill
  
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  February 17, 2017 9:55am
- SPC
  
  What is Jared Kushner using the paper he owns for?
  
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  February 17, 2017 11:19am
Manolo

Blaming the incompetent messiah Obama:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/16/trump-i-inherited-a-mess-video/
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February 17, 2017 10:05am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, what mess exactly ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 10:07am
  - Manolo
    
    BLM, Chicago’s crime wave, Syria, Lybia, Clinton Foundation’s pay for play, among others.
    
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    February 17, 2017 10:10am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo , the so called Crime wave which Trump will easily fix ?
      
      A policy in the Middle East that for example Trump supported in respect of Libya and Gaddafi etc ,
      
      “Trump Claims He Didn’t Support Libya Intervention — But He Did, On Video”
      
      Trump in 2011: “And at this point, if you don’t get rid of Gaddafi, it’s a major, major black eye for this country.”
      
      https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-claims-he-didnt-support-libya-intervention-but-he-did?utm_term=.bn74M8pNdK#.cv0XlLZ75Q
      
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      February 17, 2017 10:14am
Happychappy

Well there is a large landslip blocking a road in Northland so I wonder whether this will encourage Winston to pay one of his few visits to the region as it is Election year. Funny how votes remind some MPs of their Electorate responsibility.
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February 17, 2017 10:16am
- VicParking
  
  Winston is the biggest road block in Northand.
  
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  February 17, 2017 11:04am
Jack5

NZ’s media woes are about to be sorted out.

Marvellous Nelly (Lizzie Marvelly) and Bill Ralston (anyone remember him) are to speak at a series of events organised by a group that wants more taxpayer funds for television. It’s called the People’s Commission on Public Broadcasting and Media.

This is reported in John Drinnan’s interesting media column in the Hooerald today.

Interesting also is his report that AUT, the ex-technical institute in Auckland now a faux-university, plans to remodel its media course.

Apparently because of fewer jobs, its journalism course will be a general education, a preliminary for many occupations.

Once people got a general education to become reporters. Now they are going to study reporting to do other sorts of work?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11802126
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February 17, 2017 10:16am
- howitis
  
  ……NZ On Air preserves a place for content made by and about New Zealanders – on television, radio and online. This local content plays a key role in our cultural identity.
  
  We invest over $130 million each year in a diverse range of media for both mainstream and special interest audiences – from drama and comedy, to music, to specialist current affairs…..
  http://annualreport2015.nzonair.govt.nz/
  
  How much more OPM do these marxists want?
  Is nearly $3 mill a week not enough?
  Plus 80% public funding of the course at Tech.
  
  AUT is a virus looking for a host. This underscores it.
  ….would you like a Macramé course with that ..?
  
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  February 17, 2017 3:17pm
EAD

All hail President Trump you bl**dy legend:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-02-16/fiery-surreal-press-conference-trump-launches-war-out-control-press-main-highlights

President Trump blasted the “out of control” dishonesty of the mainstream media during a Thursday press conference, accusing reporters of distorting facts to help special interests.
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February 17, 2017 10:23am
- EAD
  
  In the speech, Trump speaks goes over the heads of the MSM, straight to the American people:
  
  “In each of these actions I’m keeping my promises to the American people. These are campaign promises,” Trump said. He said the steps he’s taken in the four weeks since he was sworn in should surprise nobody, especially in the media.
  
  But the highlight was his all out attack on the press :
  
  “I’m making this presentation directly to the American people with the media present, which is an honor to have you, this morning, because many of our nation’s reporters and folks will not tell you the truth. And will not treat the wonderful people of our country with the respect that they deserve.”
  
  “Many of our nation’s reporters and folks will not tell you the truth and will not treat you with the respect you deserve”
  
  “Much of the media in Washington, D.C., along with New York, Los Angeles in particular, speaks for the special interests and for those profiting off the obviously very, very broken system.
  
  “The press has become so dishonest that if we don’t talk about it we are doing a tremendous disservice to the American people. Tremendous disservice. We have to talk about it. We have to find out what’s going on because the press honestly is out of control.”
  
  “In other words, the media is trying to attack our administration because they know we are following through on pledges that we made, and they are not happy about it, for whatever reason. But a lot of people are happy about it.”
  
  It shouldn’t have to be like this, but when we’ve seen the press pushing an agenda rather than reporting the news objectively, what’s a person to do?
  
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  February 17, 2017 10:48am
- SPC
  
  All hail agent K. Or is that agent J?
  
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  February 17, 2017 10:59am
  - SPC
    
    No one else have a problem with EAD’s use of hail Trump?
    
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    February 17, 2017 11:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      Or should it be Heil ?
      
      http://www.firstpost.com/world/heil-trump-donald-trumps-alt-right-white-nationalist-supporters-invoke-nazi-salute-3118270.html
      
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      February 17, 2017 1:02pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Trump is a modern day Caesar. I fully support the usage.
      
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      February 17, 2017 5:14pm
    - EAD
      
      What an idiot you are SPC. Ignore the message but attack a possible word crime. For your reference:
      
      http://www.thefreedictionary.com/all+hail
      
      “Used to express acclamation, a welcome, or a greeting”
      
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      February 17, 2017 7:54pm
wiseowl

‘Peoples Commission on Public Broadcasting and Biased Media’

Sounds like it is straight out of China.
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February 17, 2017 10:26am
stephieboy

THE FIRST 100 DAYS:

“Trump says media reports making it hard to strike deal with Russia”

“A crisis over the relationship between President Donald Trump’s aides and Russia deepened on Wednesday as a growing number of Trump’s fellow Republicans demanded expanded congressional inquiries into the matter.

Trump sought to focus attention on what he called criminal intelligence leaks about his ousted national security adviser, Michael Flynn.

Trump forced Flynn out on Monday after disclosures he had discussed U.S. sanctions on Russia with the Russian ambassador to the United States before Trump took office, and that he later misled Vice President Mike Pence about the conversations.

The drama of Flynn’s departure was the latest in a series of White House missteps and controversies since the Republican president was sworn in on Jan. 20.

At a news conference with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday, Trump said Flynn, a retired U.S. Army lieutenant general, was a “wonderful man” who had been mistreated by the news media.

But Republican Trump critics including Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham voiced fresh consternation. Adding to the pressure were comments by Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker, who has been a Trump supporter.

Corker said the Russia issue was threatening Trump’s agenda on foreign affairs and domestic matters like healthcare and tax policy. He questioned whether the White House was able to stabilize itself and said Flynn should testify before Congress.

“Let’s get everything out as quickly as possible on this Russia issue,” Corker told MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” program. “Maybe there’s a problem that obviously goes much deeper than what we now suspect.”

Democrats, doubting Trump’s Justice Department or the Republican-led Congress will pursue the matter vigorously, have demanded an independent investigation of possible illegal communications between Flynn and the Russian government and any efforts by Flynn or other White House officials to conceal wrongdoing…”

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN15U1IK
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February 17, 2017 10:31am
waripori

Trump seems to have decided Governing is hard but campaigning is fun. Probably because you aren’t accountable for anything when campaigning. People accept alternative facts as part of the game. Not so much when you have the job. He cant spend the next 47 months blaming the press so he is going back on the trail.

This morning was strange. How can he assert the reporting is lies but thenconfirm the leaks are real when the reporters are just printing the leaks?

The “misstatement” about the size of his electoral college win is just an example of Trump’s alternative and much improved reality . Nothing serious unless you are concerned about his mental state. The other stuff is a problem.

Yesterday he said the US had no preference for a one state or two state solution in Palestine. Today the US ambassador to the UN has to restate the official US position. How can Trump not know what his administration’s position is on the most important question facing Israel on the day he meets with Netanyahu? He is creating confusion everywhere and one day soon it will create a situation that could cost thousands of lives.
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February 17, 2017 10:32am
- doggone7
  
  The lives probably won’t be those of his children and grand children though.
  
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  February 17, 2017 11:42am
Tom Barker

Whatever happened to “See you in Court”?
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February 17, 2017 10:36am
- waripori
  
  A grown up somewhere (Priebus? ) has pointed out that , even if they win it will take months and the whole point of the order was a 90 day pause in arrivals to put in place extreme vetting . This was presumably because arrivals from those 7 countries are a particular and imminent threat despite no arrivals from those countries being involved in a fatal attack in the USA ever. The only way to prevent those arrivals is to rewrite the order to take the Judiciary out of the picture. Presumably someone is working feverishly on the new vetting process. Trump could have been doing that since it was his idea about 9 months ago. Too busy watching TV though.
  
  Incidentally, it Trump was told by the Justice Department in January that Flynn was telling porkies about his conversations with the Russiam ambassador, why did Trump not tell Mike Pence rather than leave him making denials? They could then have glossed over things and Flynn could presumably have stayed on.
  
  Two possibilities both of which might be true. One is that Trump and Pence are not talking and Pence has no idea what is going on. The other is that Flynn had become a major embarrassment ,had to go and blaming the conversation with Pence is a face saver.
  
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  February 17, 2017 10:54am
  - Tom Barker
    
    There are grown-ups in the Trump administration? Who knew?
    
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    February 17, 2017 12:18pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Maybe idiots like you didn’t – normal people knew.
      
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      February 17, 2017 5:34pm
- SPC
  
  His former Attorney General informed him the executive order was not going to fly and was ignored.
  
  She also warned him that Flynn misinformed people about his communications with the Russians.
  
  The White House is demonstrating an inability to ignore professional advice that is getting them into trouble.
  
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  February 17, 2017 11:03am
  - waripori
    
    This piece from Time seems well informed and almost sympathetic to Trump.
    
    http://time.com/4672974/donald-trump-white-house-chaos/?xid=homepage
    
    Apparently he did not like the cover much.
    
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    February 17, 2017 11:30am
Jack5

A setback for the “Aotearoa” mob.

The new continent in the South Pacific (including part of NZ) has been officially named Zealandia.

I guess we could informally call this mainly-undersea continent Old Zealandia, as opposed to New Zealand.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4229632/Zealandia-named-new-continent-scientists-reveal.html
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February 17, 2017 10:55am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s pretty old news….
  
  Geologists have been referring to Zealandia since the mid-1990s at least
  http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/sea-floor-geology/page-1
  
  Nick Mortimer and Hamish Campbell published a really good book on Zealandia a couple of years ago.
  https://booksellersnz.wordpress.com/2015/02/23/book-review-zealandia-our-continent-revealed-by-nick-mortimer-and-hamish-campbell/
  
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  February 17, 2017 5:53pm
AgentBallSack

Only 2 million illegals registered to vote. Nothing to see here, move along.

A large number of non-citizen Hispanics, as many as 2 million, were illegally registered to vote in the U.S., according to a nationwide poll.
The National Hispanic Survey provides additional evidence for use by anti-voter fraud conservatives and bolsters an analysis by professors at Old Dominion University who say non-citizens registered and voted in potentially large numbers.
President Trump has announced he will appoint a task force on voter fraud headed by Vice President Mike Pence. He says he wants the investigation to focus on inaccurate voter registration rolls, which are maintained by the states and the District of Columbia.
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February 17, 2017 10:58am
- stephieboy
  
  ABS, lots of coulds and maybes . Should not either the Department of Justice or the Election Assistance Commission head such an investigation rather than V P Mike Spence ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 12:05pm
- Scott
  
  Agent – thanks for that post. However I am very sceptical because I was reliably told by Jake Tapper on CNN that there is absolutely no evidence of voter fraud by illegals in the United States???Definitive statement by Jake Tapper.
  
  Of course there is a question whether CNN is fake news, whether CNN is the fake news network?
  
  However I am pleased that Donald Trump has clarified the situation in his press conference today. He has decided that CNN is to be renamed and it’s not fake news. He has renamed the network “very fake news” 🙂
  
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  February 17, 2017 1:20pm
Jack5

Ahoy Kiwi dairy farmers. This is what palm kernel imports from Indonesia-Malaysia can contribute to:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4230362/Indonesian-orangutan-brutally-killed-eaten.html
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February 17, 2017 11:08am
SPC

Agent orange.

Suntan bed or spray?

Using photos of the two T’s together, the Canadian has a paler face and more colouring on the hands, for mine that indicates that Trump uses spray tan on the face (using goggles over the eyes when applying it) and one suspects some goes on to the hair above the face as well
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February 17, 2017 11:10am
- Inandout
  
  Does anyone except those Trump obsessed really care a fuck about his personal appearance? What he achieves he can be judged on, and he first has to sort out those Obama moles leaking state secrets. They will be ferreted out, even those sobbing in their ‘safe rooms’, because believe it or not, Presidents have awesome powers when treason is involved. He will need to surround himself with vetted ‘trusties’, a slow process but vital if he is to succeed.
  
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  February 17, 2017 12:10pm
  - SPC
    
    Is this one of the alternative facts of the new truth in media – that those not sycophants of the Trump regime are obsessed with him?
    
    The person obsessed with Trump is the person who sees himself as brand worth billions.
    
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    February 17, 2017 12:18pm
Manolo

A paean to multiculturalism (while breeding like rabbits):
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=11802143

A Government ministry says a second “wife” in a polygamous marriage may be entitled to a sole-parent benefit.

Family First director Bob McCoskrie asked the ministry for the legal position after the recent case of Pakistani-born meat wholesaler Yasir Mohib, who was jailed for a year for beating one of his wives with a hammer because she complained that he was holding hands with his other wife.
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February 17, 2017 11:53am
- SPC
  
  Two determinants apply.
  
  If receiving current support – financially or emotionally from a partner then there is no eligibility for the DPB.
  
  If not receiving support from a partner – and thus on the DPB, then the other parent is liable for child support payments.
  
  The complication – the state only regards a person as supporting one partner at a time. Yet there is the matter of polygamous marriages that occurred prior to residence in New Zealand – are these an exception to this rule? And if so can this exception extend to legally recognised wife/one de facto plus customary extra wife scenarios that have emerged here?
  
  If two partners are recognised (meaning no DPB) is the second partner eligible for tax credits (WFF and others)?
  
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  February 17, 2017 12:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,from your link ,
  
  “The ministry is only able to treat one woman as being married to a man at any one time,” she wrote.
  
  “Multiple marriages are not recognised under the Social Security Act and should such a circumstance arise where a person applied for a benefit with multiple ‘wives’, the ministry would only be able to treat one wife as being married to the man.”
  
  Nor under the Marriage Act .
  
  “Breeding like rabbits “is just another example of your ” demographic time bomb” paranoid hysteria .
  
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  February 17, 2017 12:15pm
labrator

Can one you of mindless climate change deniers explain to me, if it’s not AGW, then why, year after year, does the hotcross bun season get earlier and earlier?!
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February 17, 2017 12:13pm
- rangitoto
  
  I hope you are ready for the 2017 Christmas season starting next week.
  
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  February 17, 2017 1:18pm
  - labrator
    
    I can’t tell any more ,in February, if the easter eggs on sale are intended for this year or next.
    
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    February 17, 2017 1:40pm
    - Inandout
      
      Cadbury dropped the ‘Easter’ off the egg box.
      
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      February 17, 2017 5:07pm
      - labrator
        
        They also stopped putting chocolate in them a few years back. I can’t keep up…
        
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        February 17, 2017 8:21pm
Inandout

This is a bit of a bombshell. Seems the ‘Huntly Muslim abuser’ has a Muslim mother, and Ms Khan has crumbled and is now partly blaming herself for videoing the vent. Oh the irony!!

https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/02/ooops-chose-bad-example-kickstart-hate-speech-campaign/#more-296950

Would Megan’s mental health be any way associated with her mother?
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February 17, 2017 12:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  I would have thought that Megan chose to abuse Ms Khan and the fact her mother was a Muslim ( if actually true ) was immaterial . Even greater reason not to abuse those of her mother’s alleged religion . Doesn’t make sense .
  
  Or is someone playing loose with the facts ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 1:11pm
- Komata
  
  And will the media , Devoy et al apologise and say that ‘They’got it wrong’?
  
  Wanna buy a bridge – one just flew past – backwards. The Pig and Tui were looking tired…
  
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  February 17, 2017 1:14pm
- Jack5
  
  Devoid’s got to go. She was appointed to hear cases of alleged racial discrimination.
  
  She’s now playing politics in a big way, and wants to curb our rights to free speech.
  
  What a fuck up! Woman abuses Muslim women – hate crime. Muslim woman abuses Muslim women, it’s okay she’s just mentally ill. Now where have we heard such arguments before?
  
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  February 17, 2017 1:48pm
Manolo

Come on, Indonesia!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/indonesian-orangutan-brutally-killed-eaten-095929006.html

A critically endangered Bornean orangutan has been shot dead, hacked to pieces and eaten by workers after straying onto an Indonesian palm oil plantation, police and activists said Thursday.

Police have formally named three male suspects in the brutal killing in Kapuas Hulu district, in the Indonesian part of Borneo island, while another seven are being questioned as witnesses to the crime.
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February 17, 2017 12:33pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Best way to save them from extinction would be for all the orang-utans to apply for refugee status in New Zealand.
  There are many previous examples that would point to the application being successful.
  
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  February 17, 2017 2:00pm
Andrei

Warning: put your coffee down before clicking link

Big Boob Fail
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February 17, 2017 12:49pm
Fletch

Yep, Trump totally blasted the media, and he was right when he said..

And I’ll tell you what else I see. I see tone. You know the word “tone.” The tone is such hatred. I’m really not a bad person, by the way

(13:41:11) No, but the tone is such — I do get good ratings, you have to admit that — the tone is such hatred I watched this morning a couple of the networks. And I have to say, Fox & Friends in the morning, they’re very honorable people. They’re very — not because they’re good, because they hit me also when I do something wrong. But they have the most honest morning show. That’s all I can say it’s the most honest

(13:41:38) But the tone, Jim. If you look — the hatred. The, I mean, sometimes — sometimes somebody gets..

(13:41:45 ) (CROSSTALK) TRUMP: Well, you look at your show that goes on at 10 o’clock in the evening you just take a look at that show. That is a constant hit. The panel is almost always exclusive anti-Trump.

But the panel is almost exclusive anti-Trump. And the hatred and venom coming from his mouth; the hatred coming from other people on your network. Now, I will say this. I watch it. I see it. I’m amazed by it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy2pqioiT-A
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February 17, 2017 1:00pm
- SPC
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38991171
  
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  February 17, 2017 1:13pm
- Scott
  
  I just love Trump’s press conferences and when he gets into CNN. He rightly predicted that they would classify his conference as “ranting and raving”.
  
  He wasn’t ranting and raving, he was simply answering the questions.
  
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  February 17, 2017 1:22pm
minto57

Why was a polygamist allowed to enter new zealand.
Would seem to be another case of mis-matched aliens being brought into this country.@stepoccollus
the paranoia is real,we do not need to tolerate the intolerant
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February 17, 2017 1:34pm
- stephieboy
  
  Yourself naturally a model of tolerence and diversity of different points of view ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 2:31pm
  - Jack5
    
    The Stephies call for separate laws: polygamy for Muslims, monogamy for the rest of New Zealanders.
    
    No way. Immigration NZ is inefficient, ineffective and possibly corrupt, and Minister of Immigration Woodhouse is weak.
    
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    February 17, 2017 4:13pm
Manolo

A deeply dishonest journalist defends himself:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/chuck-todd-donald-trumps-delegitimization-of-press-un-american-not-a-laughing-matter/
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February 17, 2017 1:58pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, your Trump needs to have the counsel of his predecssor who had to deal with a daily stream of lies and invective from Fox , Btreitbart , Infowars , WND etc, etc
  
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  February 17, 2017 2:34pm
  - Ross12
    
    Is this how you deal with people you disagree with ?
    
    http://hardnoxandfriends.com/2017/02/16/dobbs-with-paul-sperry-obama-has-trained-tens-of-thousands-of-leftist-organizers-at-alinsky-camps/
    
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    February 17, 2017 3:32pm
    - Gabby
      
      Make up bullshit about alinsky camps.
      
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      February 17, 2017 6:51pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Manolo,
  
  You are the dishonest one in the way you spread disinformation.
  
  You link to an article that does not back up your accusation of dishonesty.
  
  Put up or shut up.
  
  Don’t give me that excuse that you won’t talk to a “Russophile Catholic woman”. That’s just evasion.
  
  Chicken.
  
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  February 17, 2017 4:08pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Chuck Todd ✔ @chucktodd
  Press bashing may feel good to folks but when it’s done by people in power, it’s corrosive. Take off your partisan hats for a second
  
  DIDDDDDDDDUMS!
  
  It’s okay to attack the elected President though.
  
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  February 17, 2017 5:27pm
stephieboy

Alinsky camps = FEMA camps ?

Rubbish !
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February 17, 2017 3:36pm
- pentwig
  
  were you born stupid steffie or did you acquire stupidity from the stranded?
  please supply links to your reply!
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:24pm
Jack5

Immigration Minister Woodhouse backs off deporting Indian students here falsely.

Woodhouse is weak.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/324746/deportation-of-indian-students-put-on-hold
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February 17, 2017 4:11pm
- mandk
  
  I absolutely agree that they should not be here, but I disagree with your characterisation of Woodhouse.
  
  What would prefer: getting them to leave voluntarily (with the undertaking that they can reapply from India), or storming the church to drag them out?
  
  The outcome is the same, but the former is less ugly and expensive.
  
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  February 17, 2017 4:26pm
  - Inandout
    
    The latter sends the message ‘don’t try and rort the system’, just piss off and tell your mates in India that NZ ain’t a soft touch.
    
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    February 17, 2017 5:14pm
  - Jack5
    
    mandk (4.11):
    
    Given the confusion in names of those from different ethnicities (witness the late secretary of the Refugee Council), we will never know whether these young Indians will then re-enter New Zealand.
    
    That message is: don’t worry if they make you leave you can get back in.
    
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    February 17, 2017 6:09pm
    - Inandout
      
      About time DNA was recorded for these immigrants.
      
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      February 17, 2017 6:10pm
Manolo

Those delicate guys and girls should not touch the notes:
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/feb/15/bank-england-retain-plastic-5-note-vegan-protest-10-animal-fat

The Bank of England has decided not to withdraw plastic £5 banknotes from circulation, despite protests from vegans, animal rights activists and religious groups because the notes contain traces of animal fat.
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February 17, 2017 4:43pm
Viking2

Hoping to carve out a new career in politics, Hayley Holt is putting her hand up for the Helensville seat formerly held by John Key.

The Green Party candidate confirmed her selection to stand for the seat held by the former prime minister today and said her main focus will be addressing the environmental issues in the north-west.

“We’ve got to protect our forests, and clean up our waterways,” she said.

Holt says running against former prime minister Key was not something she was aiming to do, “it was just a coincidence he was the MP for Helensville”.

“John Key didn’t actually come into my thinking, which would surprise people.”

Holt is holding a campaign meeting with Green Party supremos on February 19 to plan her campaign building up towards the general election day on September 23.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/nor-west-news/89475988/holt-heading-to-helensville
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February 17, 2017 5:46pm
- sooty
  
  Who’s she when she’s home? Can she sing better than lizzie?
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

How many stephieboys are there?

I reckon there are 3.

One has trouble with comprehending other folks’ postings and usually posts stuff that is barely comprehensible.
One writes well and often posts supportive links.
One just seems to snap at everything.
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February 17, 2017 5:59pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Which is the one who leaves a space before punctuation marks?
  
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  February 17, 2017 6:00pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    ooh, I had missed that clue.
    
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    February 17, 2017 6:07pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    They all do.
    
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    February 17, 2017 6:13pm
- Inandout
  
  They must take turns in prayer because they are almost full time on here. The mosque will excuse them for the cause.
  
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  February 17, 2017 6:12pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The stephieboys wouldn’t know the first thing about the Pillars of Islam, even if they stumbled into one.
    
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    February 17, 2017 6:30pm
    - nasska
      
      Perhaps there’s only one stephieboy but he suffers from schizophrenia, insomnia & capraphilia.
      
      My bill for diagnostic psychiatric services is in the mail. 🙂
      
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      February 17, 2017 6:49pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        http://cdn.quotesgram.com/img/65/87/675383042-taking-me.jpg
        
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        February 17, 2017 7:17pm
    - Nostalgia-NZ
      
      I know one of the stephieboys, the one that broke a name suppression order on here around 30 times.
      
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      February 17, 2017 6:50pm
      - nasska
        
        It’s a pity that no one thought to mention it to DPF as he’s usually pretty hot on such things.
        
        Sort of proves that very few actually read the troll’s shit.
        
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        February 17, 2017 7:00pm
- pentwig
  
  iprent, micky savage and irish bill
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:31pm
Viking2

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February 17, 2017 7:15pm
Lucia Maria

For Manolo.

bok bok, related to this comment.
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February 17, 2017 7:36pm
- Manolo
  
  Will some orgasm sounds do it for you, dear Lucia Maria? ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:46pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Manolo,
    
    You almost sound like John Boy’s evil twin.
    
    Where is he, btw?
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:53pm
    - Manolo
      
      Very busy attending to his herd, I mean his harem of ewes.
      
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      February 18, 2017 6:38am
Lucia Maria

I don’t know about everyone else, but I think the multi-threaded commenting has killed off night-time GD.

It’s up to determined individuals to get it going again.

And luckily for everyone, I can help. 🙂

I have .. experience in these matters, to say the least. 😛

Anyone know what I’m talking about?

Yappy dog, All on Red, do you know??

Ok, I’m a bit wired tonight. Got up early, like crack of dawn early, drove to Palmerston North from Paraparaumu (it was bucketing down, I had to brace every time a truck went past me on highway 57 because of the spray), sat a 3 hr exam and then drove home again. I think I’m beyond tired now, or those dried liver pills I took today (5 of them!) have given me a super boost!
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February 17, 2017 7:51pm
- EAD
  
  It’s quiet at the moment because 2 of the main protagonists are MIA (Reid & Milkmaid) and the fact it is summer which had dimishned the regularity of many others – speaking of which, time to return to that bottle of pinto grigio…..
  
  It’s either that or spending this warm Summers evening arguing with Stephiegoy or yourself about why Putin and Trump are not the devil incarnate.
  
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  February 17, 2017 7:58pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    EAD,
    
    I really don’t want to talk about Putin or Trump right now.
    
    Temporary truce?
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:06pm
- nasska
  
  I think that I may have cracked the problem Lucia Maria……you’re taking the wrong pep pills!
  
  Apparently your body craves Vitamins C, D & E while it’s dying slowly for a lack of the Bs……2, 3 & 6 in particular.
  
  Give the liver pills a punt. 🙂
  
  https://www.evitamins.com/a/vitamins-increase-woman-s-sex-drive-67
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:22pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Nasska,
    
    I take multi-vitamins as well, plus a really good D3 with K2. I also eat fruit. 🙂 Normally an apple a day, but I’m onto the nectarines now, because, well… nectarines!!
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:35pm
- realityczech
  
  “I don’t know about everyone else, but I think the multi-threaded commenting has killed off night-time GD.”
  
  I can’t find my own comments on this shambles, let alone anyone else’s. Potentially it could lead to me agreeing with ignorant arseholes, because I don’t know we disagree. It should be named “General Confusion/Agreement” not General Debate.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:24pm
- pentwig
  
  why on earth would you liver pills?
  Lucia eat asparagus!
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:39pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Pentwig,
    
    Asparagus is not in season all year round, plus I’m one of those people that can’t process it properly, if you know what I mean.
    
    While as liver pills are just bloody fantastic. They contain some sort of unknown substance that helps with stamina. But you’ve got to take enough to get the effect. 🙂
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:33pm
Lucia Maria

Ok, right now I am watching Quantico. At times it really annoys me, and when I was about to stop watching it several weeks ago due to lack of time, it suddenly got interesting again. Sigh.

Code Black was pretty spectacular. Looks like the season just ended.

I’m catching up on my online TV now that I don’t have to study. 😛
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February 17, 2017 8:16pm
- realityczech
  
  You need to get out more, that much is clear.
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:45pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Probably! 😛
    
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    February 17, 2017 9:30pm
nasska

I have a friend who is gay. One thing has always made me curious so the other day I came straight out & asked him:

“How did you become gay in the first place?”

“Well,” he said, “when I was about twelve a man followed me into the woods & raped me.”

“Why didn’t you try to run away?”

“What? In high heels?”
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February 17, 2017 8:41pm
- realityczech
  
  Ya know what happens to those who make a mockery of sin pervert ?
  
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  February 17, 2017 8:47pm
  - nasska
    
    Yep. We’ll end up with the Godwhacked in a state of nothingness but at least we enjoyed our time on earth.
    
    Not like the gullible twits who spend their lives on their knees with a priest hanging out of them! 🙂
    
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    February 17, 2017 8:58pm
    - realityczech
      
      Trump is going to sort you out and bring you commie perverts home to Jesus.
      
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      February 17, 2017 9:05pm
      - nasska
        
        So far my sphincterial integrity is holding. 🙂
        
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        February 17, 2017 9:12pm
      - realityczech
        
        Flirt
        
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        February 17, 2017 9:20pm
AgentBallSack

Hopefully thats the last we ever see of Corey Anderson in international cricket. He’s woeful

EDIT and Ronchi
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February 17, 2017 9:33pm
rightoverlabour

I thought the idea of T20 was to play 20 overs. Were the NZ team not told this? Fantastic result to South Africa, at least politics has not destroyed cricket there. Looking forward to the rest of the series. Daar gat julle!
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February 17, 2017 10:06pm
Manolo

Which one of the Obama minions did it?
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/17/trump-mounts-bid-to-find-leakers-as-speculation-surrounds-obama-officials.html
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February 18, 2017 6:40am
Manolo

The pace quickens and the social welfare bill grows accordingly:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4234038/500-refugees-storm-20-foot-Spanish-fence-Morocco.html

These were the dramatic scenes as hundreds of bloodied and emotional African immigrants exploded with joy after storming a border fence to reach Spain this morning.

The men shouted: ‘Viva España’, ‘We Love You España’ and ‘Boza, boza’ – ‘Victory, victory’ as they beat their chests in a show of joy at making it to Europe. Many were bare chested and barefoot – and others were bleeding from deep cuts they had suffered after managing to reach Spain’s north African enclave of Ceuta from Morocco.

Local authorities said they believed around 900 immigrants had attempted to storm the fence – and more than 400 had managed to cross it.
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