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virtualmark

The fifth in an occasional series of great quotes from US Presidents.

Jimmy Carter, on having to sell his peanut farm into a blind trust because of pressure from Republicans that owning it would create conflicts of interest as President:

“Well, it was a hard decision for me to make and this is something that I’ve had to face. I’ve literally given up my own method of making a living here in Plains. But I don’t want any decision that I make as president to have any effect on my own income.”

Despite this in 1979 the Republicans spent six months investigating whether Carter still had any conflicts of interest. They went out of their way to make sure it was a Republican special prosecutor who they hired at the Department of Justice to tear everything apart, up and down through every peanut shell to try to find something, anything, scandalous in Jimmy Carter’s family peanut farm. It turned out there was nothing – well, apart from proving that Carter’s brother was a good ol boy (heck, Billy would have told them that if they’d just asked directly).

Contrast this pursuit of Carter with the Republican’s meek acceptance of Trump’s clearly egregious conflicts of interest.

I support the Republicans in a policy sense. But their consistent hypocrisy and disregard for political reasonableness and mutual respect means I cannot love them as a party.
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February 15, 2017 8:04am
- Kimbo
  
  I’d suggest Carter’s 1979 “crisis of confidence” speech on energy was his most famous…and a fitting epitaph for the habitual micro-managing former governor of Georgia. Reagan solved the oil crisis with “Drill, baby, drill!”.
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:08am
  - virtualmark
    
    I think Carter was too smart to be President, and spent most of his time in analysis paralysis when a more decisive character would have just charged ahead.
    
    That said, I also think Carter is a genuinely nice and generous man and his life and work after the Presidency has been exemplary.
    
    He may go down as one of the more ineffective Presidents, but perhaps the best ever ex-President.
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:11am
    - PhilBest
      
      From Ronald Kessler’s “In the President’s Secret Service”:
      
      LYNDON & LADYBIRD JOHNSON
      Another philanderer of the highest order. In addition, LBJ was as crude as the day is long. Both JFK and LBJ kept a lot of women in the White House for extramarital affairs and both had set up early warning systems to alert them if/when their wives were nearby. Both were promiscuous and oversexed men.
      She was either naive or just pretended to not know about her husband’s many liaisons.
      
      JIMMY & ROSALYN CARTER
      A complete phony who would portray one picture of himself to public and very different in private e.g. Would be shown carrying his own luggage but the suitcases were always empty. He kept empty ones just for photo ops. He wanted people to see him as pious and a non-drinker but he and his family drank alcohol a lot! He had disdain for the Secret Service and was very irresponsible with the “football” with nuclear codes. He didn’t think it was a big deal and would keep military aides at a great distance. Often did not acknowledge the presence of Secret Service personnel assigned to serve him.
      She mostly did her own thing
      
      RONALD & NANCY REAGAN
      The real deal, moral, honest, respectful and dignified. They treated Secret Service and everyone else with respect and honor, thanked everyone all the time. He took the time to know everyone on a personal level.
      She was very nice but very protective of the President and the Secret Service was often caught in the middle. She tried hard to control what he ate. He would say to the agent, “Come on, you gotta help me out.” The Reagans drank wine during State dinners and special occasions only otherwise they shunned alcohol. The Secret Service could count on one hand the times they were served wine during family dinner. For all the fake bluster of the Carters, the Reagans were the ones who lived life as genuinely moral people.
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:28am
      - holysheet
        
        Two out of three above were hypocritical democrats. Why are we surprised at this. Continue forward and the worst philanderer was yet another democrat in Clinton. Do they go to a school in the states, to learn this or does it come naturally to the lefties?
        Oh that’s right, it’s different when the left do it.
        
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        February 15, 2017 8:40am
      - Kimbo
        
        From a NZ perspective Carter was a petty and vindictive little man. Rob Muldoon wrote of Carter that he was a “peanut farmer from Georgia” and as a result Carter took offence and cancelled a Whitehouse visit and photo op. To one of the USA’s staunchest supporters?! Plus if Carter had got off his high horse he would have realised being described as a “farmer” is no insult. Hell, Muldoon’s mentor, Holyoake was one, as were Holland, Bolger, Shipley. Plus Muldoon, against every instinct he had about politics interfering in sports still backed Carter’s nonsensical boycott of the 1980 Olympics that achieved nothing but penalise our athletes
        
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        February 15, 2017 10:54am
      - PhilBest
        
        Glad to provide more:
        
        RICHARD & PAT NIXON
        A “moral” man but very odd, weird, paranoid. He had a horrible relationship with his family and was almost a recluse.
        She was quiet most of the time.
        
        GERALD & BETTY FORD
        A true gentlemen who treated the Secret Service with respect and dignity. He had a great sense of humor.
        She drank a lot!
        
        GEORGE H. & BARBARA BUSH
        Extremely kind and considerate, always respectful. Took great care in making sure the agents’ comforts were taken care of. They even brought them meals. One time she brought warm clothes to agents standing outside at Kennebunkport.
        He was the most prompt of the Presidents. He ran the White House like a well-oiled machine.
        She ruled the house and spoke her mind.
        
        BILL & HILLARY CLINTON
        Presidency was one giant party. Not trustworthy. He was nice mainly because he wanted everyone to like him but to him life is just one big game and party. Everyone knows about his sexuality.
        She is another phony. Her personality would change the instant cameras were near. She hated, with open disdain the military and Secret Service. She was another who felt people were there to serve her. She was always trying to keep tabs on Bill.
        
        GEORGE W. & LAURA BUSH
        The Secret Service loved him and Laura Bush. He was also the most physically in shape who had a very strict workout regimen. The Bushes made sure their entire administrative and household staff understood that they were to respect and be considerate of the Secret Service.
        She was one of the nicest First Ladies, if not the nicest. She never had any harsh word to say about anyone.
        
        BARACK & MICHELLE OBAMA
        Clinton all over again – hates the military and looks down on the Secret Service. He is egotistical and cunning. He looks you in the eye and appears to agree with you but turns around and does the opposite. He has temper tantrums.
        She is a complete bitch who basically hates anybody who is not black, hates the military and looks at the Secret Service as servants.
        
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        February 15, 2017 11:48am
      - Steve Todd
        
        Kimbo, it was meant as an insult (or at least as a put down) and taken as such. Also, I recall Muldoon saying it (on TV), rather than writing it.
        
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        February 15, 2017 4:55pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Am open to be corrected, but I think Muldoon wrote it in his eponymous second book, published in 1977.
        
        No, while he was not impressed with Carter, norsupportive of his naive (according to Muldoon) “principled” foreign policy, it was IMHO more a case of Muldoon being typically blunt. Other than with the Royal family, he just didn’t do diplomacy and he felt he owed Kiwis his honest opinion.
        
        Mind you he did refer to Carter’s sister as a “peripatetic evangelist” and may have made reference to Billy Carter’s public embarrasments. But then all hios observations were accurate, and captured the feel of the man as a Washington “outsider” for the NZ audience to whom he was writing. Since when is calling someone a “farmer” an insult among New Zealanders? Fed back to Americans, maybe…
        
        But I’d agree that Muldoon’s comment about Mugabe having “just come out of fighting in the jungle” at the 1981 CHOGM Conference was, denials to the contrary, a tit-for-tat in response to the Zimbabwean’s criticism of the Springbok tour.
        
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        February 15, 2017 5:11pm
      - Steve Todd
        
        But he didn’t just call him a “farmer”, Kimbo, he called him a “*peanut* farmer”. I saw it on TV at the time (early 1977, I think) and it was a typical Muldoon put down. His demeanour and tone of voice indicated he was mocking Carter (as many Americans themselves did) for being a *peanut* farmer (as opposed, for example, to being a cattle rancher).
        
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        February 15, 2017 5:26pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Did or did not Jimmy Carter farm…peanuts?! And the comment came from a man who did much to foster the growth of…Kiwifruit farmers
        
        Sorry, but I’d suggest it was media mischief-making and your Muldoon Derangement Syndrome that made it sound other than as it was intended – that Carter, in contrast to other American politicians (whom Muldoon criticised as a corrupt class in his 1974 Rise and Fall of a Young Turk) was a humble Washington outsider. You know – same background as “born in a log cabin” Abe Lincoln.
        
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        February 15, 2017 6:21pm
      - Kimbo
        
        If there was condescension in Muldoon’s tone, then I’d suggest it was not his, but, as you rightly suggest, to communicate to Kiwis how Carter was perceived by Americans – which again, was an insight Muldoon thought Kiwis were entitled to know about.
        
        But Muldoon couldn’t have cared less what Carter did before he got to the Whitehouse – as long as he did a good job for Western security and NZ trade when he got there. And to be fair, Muldoon had his justifiable suspicions that were consequently confirmed, that Carter was not up to the job. After all, Muldoon thought highly of Reagan, and also described him as a “former actor” – which again was entirely accurate, yet also an insult among many Americans who were critical of Reagan.
        
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        February 15, 2017 6:27pm
- PhilBest
  
  “…their consistent hypocrisy and disregard for political reasonableness and mutual respect means I cannot love them as a party…”
  
  And you’re not talking about the Democrats???
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:09am
  - virtualmark
    
    PhilBest,
    
    No. They’re not perfect innocents either. But the Republicans – who wrap themselves in Christian virtues at every chance – have a thick and deep streak of hypocrisy.
    
    Simple example when it comes to conflicts of interest … https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829356871848951809
    (Note, I was trying to link to where Trump re-tweeted that tweet from the “@POTUS” twitter account, but Twitter just takes you to the original tweet).
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:13am
    - kowtow
      
      “But the Republicans – who wrap themselves in Christian virtues at every chance”
      
      And Democrats don’t?
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:22am
      - virtualmark
        
        “Christian conservatives”. “Christian right”.
        
        In US politics the church is far more closely connected with the Republicans.
        
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        February 15, 2017 10:01am
    - PhilBest
      
      And genuine, transparent, virtuous people can be found on both sides too.
      
      BTW one side gets their entire lives and private affairs trawled through with a fine toothcomb by the MSM; the other side gets all the free passes. Fair enough to call the MSM “the opposition party”.
      
      I am appalled at the personal flaws of Trump and wish someone better had come along to beat Hillary and take the MSM on head-on. But maybe only someone like Trump has the bar-room brawler character necessary to take on the Left head-on, the mainstream “centre right” parties all over the world have become progressively emasculated, nice-guy sellouts and pushovers. And even Vichy-type governments furthering the Left’s agenda, kind of marking time awaiting the return of the actual Left to office.
      
      I never thought I’d see such a phenomenon as the Trump pushback, in my lifetime. It’s like the Reagan era again in a different way. I mistakenly thought Leftism was finished when actual State communism died in 1989. It had merely morphed into domestic subterfuge of the west and was far more successful than State communism ever was.
      
      It is worth contrasting Reagan and Trump. Reagan was a genuinely likeable, humble man.
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:38am
      - Scott
        
        I’m not sure if Reagan would have been elected at the last election? There were a lot of very good Republican candidates, Scott Walker is one that comes to mind, with a very good record of conservative governance. He is a modest humble fellow but he got nowhere. The media climate is different today, the electorate is different today, the people voted for Trump when they could have had Walker.
        
        Trump is the very opposite of Obama. I actually like Trump. You totally know what he is thinking, he gets a lot done and he does things no other Republican would ever do. He gets stuck into the partisan left-wing media for a start, watching him get stuck into them is a joy to my heart. They have had it coming for years and years and years.
        
        And the great thing is they will whine and double down on leftist partisan hackery – look at today’s Washington post with every article on the front page being anti Trump. But the people don’t care. They realise the left-wing media was leading them astray for year after year and now they just tune them out.
        
        There are so many good things happening with Trump right now. There will be the occasional reverse – General Flynn and the courts conspiring against Trump’s lawful immigration order. But he is going to keep on winning and the American people and the world will be better for it.
        
        It’s great to see the right get in power and actually do something, actual right of centre Conservative things. Long may it continue.
        
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        February 15, 2017 8:54am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Scott, Stuff is just as bad. I am done reading them now, I just can’t stand the bias. From today I am boycotting them. Since I don’t read the Herald, I am guessing Kiwiblog will be my eyes and ears.
        
        And it’s not that I don’t like views different to my own but I would prefer a smidgeon of impartiality in the reporting.*
        
        *I typed reporting, my gut feeling tells me it’s 90% opinion pieces
        
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        February 15, 2017 9:08am
      - Ross12
        
        AgentBallSack
        
        A friend of mine still gets the Dom Post delivered but is as frustrated with it as you are with Stuff. He likes to read the Australian when on holiday in Aus so he’s going to subscribe to that instead on the DP –it is a lot cheaper.
        
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        February 15, 2017 9:19am
      - Scott
        
        Agree Agent – the media in New Zealand are pretty well all syncophantic leftists that get their opinion on Trump and most issues actually straight from the New York Times and the Washington post..
        
        But Brexit and Trump and the fall of the Socialist prime minister in France are all good signs that the Conservative right is getting a look in again.
        
        Let me put it this way – if you love your country, if you are proud of your ancestors that built this country, if you are sick of endless whining about our past and all the supposedly wrong things we white people have done. If you are sick of apologising for everything, being a man, being a heterosexual, being a Christian, being white, then it’s time to leave the leftist bubble.
        
        I think our country has been great in the past and could be great again. What we need are leaders like Trump who are actual movers and shakers and have the courage of their convictions to take us there.
        
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        February 15, 2017 9:27am
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS,
        
        “And it’s not that I don’t like views different to my own but I would prefer a smidgeon of impartiality in the reporting.*
        
        Oh Sure ! Alt righters like Scott and you always have Infowars , Fox or Breitbart to resort to for your ” impartial” non fake news .
        
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        February 15, 2017 10:30am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Thanks for the hints stephie.
        Those sites outrage you so much I may have to start reading them to see what the fuss is all about. Which do you suggest I try first as a way to gently immerse myself in alt-right culture?
        
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        February 15, 2017 10:59am
      - ross411
        
        Appalled by the personal flaws of Trump? Everyone has flaws, but this level of hyperbole makes me wonder what you believe his flaws are.
        
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        February 15, 2017 12:35pm
      - Scott
        
        And where do you get your news stephieboy?
        
        I know that Al Qaeda puts out “Inspire” magazine and I believe that Isis also has its own publication Dabiq. Are they on your list of approved publications?
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:30pm
Manolo

Some snowflakes feel very guilty:
http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/31183/

Students at Elizabethtown College this month are wearing white pins in the shape of puzzle pieces to remind them of their white privilege.

The campaign was launched over the weekend by the Elizabethtown College Democrats, who say it aims to make students at the small and private liberal arts college in Pennsylvania more introspective about issues of race, especially in their predominantly white region of Lancaster County.
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February 15, 2017 8:04am
- dime
  
  HAHAHAHA what a bunch of fucking losers
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:25am
  - PhilBest
    
    The cultural-marxist Left has a kind of Dhimmi status too, for those in a class disapproved of, as well as the real one that Islam has.
    
    Actually PC is like a fundamentalist religion with its penances and “submission”. And its excommunications of heretics.
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:42am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Yeah, especially since attendance costs USD $56,200 pa to go there!
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:46am
- Ed Snack
  
  Should have made them wear yellow stars, to really remind them of the origins of that school of thought.
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:14pm
Manolo

The old continent and love among new Europeans:
http://www.christianpost.com/news/mass-rape-epidemic-of-women-girls-teenage-boys-france-refugee-camp-174861/

A mass rape epidemic is taking place inside the Dunkirk refugee camp in Northern France, reports have said, targeting women and children, with the former choosing to wear adult diapers over going to the toilet at night.
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February 15, 2017 8:15am
- holysheet
  
  Chuck in a few goats and the problem is solved. These rapist are no more than animals.
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:20am
- Scott
  
  Indeed cultural diversity from the religion of peace is spreading its love everywhere – “Afghan migrant, 17, is arrested after ‘sexually assaulting a young mum in broad daylight while she was pushing a pram with her two children inside’ in Vienna”
  
  Doesn’t Austria have enough criminals of its own? Why do they need to import any from Afghanistan?
  
  Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4225130/Migrant-arrested-sexually-assaulting-young-mum.html#ixzz4Yi2k8iOB
  Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
  
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  February 15, 2017 1:32pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Come on Scott, you know she deserved it. I mean, going out in public with her face and head uncovered and not escorted as would be proper by her husband or a close male relative. Obviously little more than a common whore and probably should be whipped for having sex outside marriage anyway.
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:17pm
fernglas

Why is it that when I send an email asking two questions of somebody, only the first is ever answered? I have taken to numbering the questions and still find myself going back and thanking people for the answer to no. 1, but asking again for the answer to no. 2. And if email is a weak source of communication, what about Twitter?
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February 15, 2017 8:22am
- chris
  
  I often see the same problem. And they often reply to the least important of the two questions!
  
  Maybe send two emails? Mind you, then they’ll probably only reply to one of them…
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:01am
Happychappy

So we have a new Journalists on TV Three AM Show and with it a few new Experts. Amanda Gillies gave her expert opinion on the Pike River Mine and as she had been advised by a mines expert saying it would only cost around 2 million dollars to enter the mine but the Government wont go in as they are covering up a crime when the risk is minimal. Duncan Garner says he smells a rat, Paddy Gower Winston’s cheer leader says that Bill English has to show Leadership as this issue wont go away so again TV Three shows again their one sided view for the Families and wont let it go know mater what even if it creates another “DISASTER”.
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February 15, 2017 8:24am
- G152
  
  easy solution.
  Send the ‘journos/prompter readers’ in.
  When the big bang happens it solves a bunch of problems
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:34am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so. Winston Peters has promised to be first into the mine, so let Patrick Gower and Duncan Garner be second and third. They can be followed by Bernie Monk and Andrew Little.
    
    Then we’ll find out who was right about the mine being unsafe, or who was wrong.
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:42am
    - alex Masterley
      
      It would be fun watching these guys who are talking big on the Pike river do a training run in breathing & safety gear and helmets.
      The length of the drift, before you get to the workings is about 2.25 k’s, with an upward slope. That is the same distance between the intersection of View road and Dominion road and the intersection of Marsden Ave and Dominion Road (for those familiar with Auckland.
      I doubt that any of Peters et al would be able to walk that distance with full kit on without having a coronary. Walking that distance with a single dive tank on would be hard work enough.
      
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      February 15, 2017 10:10am
      - Komata
        
        AM
        
        Unfortunately, there is a growing level of ‘conspiracy theory’ acceptance on the ‘Coast, so ‘one day’. When that day arrives, I doubt very much that messers Peters, Monk, Gower et al will be the first to enter; they’ll waive-off and get some other ‘idiot’ to go in their place. Their ‘excuses’ will be interesting…
        
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        February 15, 2017 11:30am
      - Chuck Bird
        
        Why would anyone need full kit on?
        
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        February 15, 2017 12:40pm
      - G152
        
        It wouldn’t just be one tank per person.
        They would have to have reserves at different distances to (a) Get in and (b) Get out.
        It’s a pipe dream and some are sucking at an ever growing teat
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:28pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        G152, why would they need re-breathing gear if the drift is ventilated?
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:50pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Chuck, it’s not fully ventilated now, and when they were trying to clean it out the methane remained at dangerous levels. Additional ventilation tunnels/shafts could be added….at some huge cost.
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:19pm
      - Chuck Bird
        
        I say the Government’s former chief mines inspector Tony Forster should be listened to with an open mind. If H & S legislation says there should be zero risk it should be thrown in the bin and sensible legislation drawn up to replace it.
        
        It was a good outcome. I think we will see more progress tomorrow. I answered a telephone poll about my voting intentions and my view on Pike River. It will be an election issue.
        
        Pike River mine to remain unsealed, Prime Minister Bill English tells families
        
        The Government’s former chief mines inspector Tony Forster, who is backing the victims’ families in their bid for re-entry, said drone technology had advanced at “a significant pace” in the last few years.
        
        http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11801345
        
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        February 15, 2017 7:42pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Ed, What the families want if there new proposal to be looked at with an open mind by Bill English and the Select Committee. It is true that is could be costly to put down one ventilation shaft. If cost is the main objection they be honest about it.
      
      No one in mine rescue would be forced to go in the drift. It would be their choice.
      
      It is very sad a helicopter pilot died yesterday. After the crash the copters were grounded for a few hours and then it was decided to let the pilot access the risk. If there is another crash will anyone be prosecuted for allow the pilots to access the risk?
      
      This thing is political. That is evident from the vitriol to those who support the families and to Bernie Monk himself.
      
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      February 15, 2017 2:42pm
- RF
  
  What an ugly bunch of goblins, hobbits & dwarfs that front TV3.
  
  Your worst nightmare would be meeting this bunch on a dark night. Reminds me of the demons in the film “Ghost”.
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:51am
  - Lance
    
    As opposed to….. TV1?
    
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    February 15, 2017 9:36am
- chris
  
  It’s all very easy to send *other* people into the mine. I’ve often wondered, are there really SAR people who would actually be prepared to go in?
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:03am
  - Komata
    
    Chris
    
    My undestanding is that no SAR people want to know. It’s a ‘fiery’ mine and downright dangerous, so no-one wants to ‘fry’ if its not necessary, especially in the knowledge that they would never get out alive.
    
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    February 15, 2017 11:32am
- oldpark
  
  Drunken Duncan smells a rat? himself.
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:21am
- ross411
  
  If that mine expert and Amanda Gillies offer to cover costs beyond the initial 2 million, and to be on the hook for the initial 2 million as well, should the effort not complete.. I say sounds like a bargain!
  
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  February 15, 2017 12:37pm
Huevon

I only counted 3 anti-Trump articles on Stuff this morning. Is the hysteria beginning to abate?

BTW when did reporting tweets from unknown losers on twitter become journalism?
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February 15, 2017 8:28am
- AgentBallSack
  
  You must have got there early. Its back to pages of negative opinions about Trump.
  
  Twitter reporting takes no resources and costs no money since everything is public. Just find something you agree with and post it no matter how fucked up the tweet is. You don’t even have to tell the readership if the author has any political leanings.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:14am
- Komata
  
  Huevon
  
  When it sells newspapers, magazines and gets a prime time TV audience; that’s when.
  
  Sad isn’t it?
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:34am
kowtow

The lugenpresse made a huge deal of the wimmin in the Swedish gummint proudly proclaiming their feminism as they trolled Trump.

The same lying press won’t make such a big deal of this hypocrisy.

“Linde led a Swedish business delegation to Tehran last week, and she and other female members of the delegation were pictured wearing headscarves during the trip, sparking debate on social media over whether a member of the self-described “world’s first feminist government” should have done so.”

http://www.thelocal.se/20170213/swedish-minister-responds-to-iran-headscarf-criticism
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February 15, 2017 8:31am
- PhilBest
  
  Didn’t our own Hulun wear a headscarf when visiting some Islamic establishment?
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:44am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    HC never went to SA where the option was a Dunlop necklace
    
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    February 15, 2017 9:40am
    - Komata
      
      PN
      
      You’ve got a long memory then…?
      
      (Careful, it will have to be ‘revised’ ).
      
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  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Maggie Thatcher wore a headscarf driving her tank across the sand over the goat shagging camel jockeys
    
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    February 15, 2017 9:42am
EAD

The Police hero who shot dead the Christmas market Jihadist Mass Murderer has his award of a bravery honour withdrawn by German authorities upon discovering his “far right”, “fascist”, views.

Proof, if any were needed, that Europe needs more fascists and fewer hand wringing effeminate cucks.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4219060/Italian-cop-shot-dead-ISIS-terrorist-won-t-award.html

I must say the best rated comments are a joy to behold – ever more evidence of the enormous chasm between the Political Elite who to rule over us vs. the ordinary citizen who has to live with the multiculti chaos that has been foisted upon us without our consent.
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February 15, 2017 8:33am
- G152
  
  The German police and military should withdraw any protection squads immediately from German government, official events and buildings until the award is returned
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:38am
  - PhilBest
    
    Who was it who famously said that “we only sleep easily in our beds at night because rough men stand ready to deal with those who would do us harm”?
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:50am
    - stephieboy
      
      Michael Flynn ?
      
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      February 15, 2017 10:55am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        David Duke !
        
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        February 15, 2017 11:01am
    - PhilBest
      
      Google says it was George Orwell…
      
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      February 15, 2017 11:52am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        But I can’t locate it in any of Orwell’s works.
        
        Orwell wrote an essay on Rudyard Kipling in which he quoted from Kipling’s “Tommy”
        
        “making mock of uniforms that guard you while you sleep”
        
        Essay still worth reading by those who bandy words like Nazi, Fascist and Liberal about wily,nily.
        http://orwell.ru/library/reviews/kipling/english/e_rkip
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:58pm
      - PhilBest
        
        I actually thought in the first place, that it was G K Chesterton, and that might be the case. Orwell, and Winston Churchill, may have liked quoting it and it often ended up being attributed to them.
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:21pm
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Jack Nicholson said something like it, in “A Few Good Men”
      
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      February 15, 2017 12:38pm
      - Kimbo
        
        along with:
        
        I’m gonna rip the eyes out of your head and piss into your dead skull! You fucked with the wrong Marine!
        
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        February 15, 2017 12:40pm
- Ross12
  
  EAD
  You like reading this. It is interesting that the ideas being discussed were written in 1941
  
  https://gatestone.eu/the-end-of-european-democracy/
  
  h/t Jo Nova’s bolg.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:29am
Keeping Stock

Newshub has climbed into Andrew Little this morning over the Labour/Green deal in Ohariu:

Labour leader Andrew Little has pulled a u-turn on dirty electorate deals, accepting a Valentine’s Day gift from the Greens, The Dunne Deal.

The Greens will step aside and not run a candidate in Ohariu, giving Labour’s candidate Greg O’Connor a free run to take out Peter Dunne.

Just don’t call it a deal to Andrew Little.

“It’s not a deal,” he says. His more palatable term is “electoral accommodation”.

It’s a sensitive topic because the Labour leader himself criticised these deals during his first election back in 2011 when ACT stood aside for National in the seat he was vying for – New Plymouth.

“If you’re a party and you’re fighting in a general election you put your candidates up and you put your people up and we’ll be the judge. People don’t like being deprived of that choice,” he said at the time.

Little lost to National’s Jonathan Young.

Green co-leader James Shaw says the deal is a crucial move in the left’s plan to “change the government”.

“We’re still going to campaign for the party vote in Ohariu but we’re not going to be standing a candidate,” he said.

http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2017/02/andrew-little-s-u-turn-on-dirty-deals.html

So what was a “dirty deal” to Andrew Little in 2011, is now an “electoral accommodation”. Nice try to explain it all away Mr Little, but it’s a back-flip, a u-turn and a flip-flop from the Labour leader, and it’s still a dirty deal.

As much as I dislike Peter Dunne’s brand of chameleon politics, I hope that National voters vote tactically, and that at least some of the 2764 people who voted for the Green Party candidate in 2014 are principled enough not to participate in this duplicity from LabGreen.
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February 15, 2017 8:39am
- stigie
  
  But you know it’s all different when the left do it !~
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:50am
Right of way is Way of Right

“electoral accommodation”
“alternative fact”
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February 15, 2017 8:44am
- AgentBallSack
  
  “aesthetic barrier”
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:18am
Captain Mainwaring

Here’s an idea which would make a big dent (excuse the pun) in the rate of tourist driver crashes.
Simple 2-minute questionnaire at every rental car counter:
“Please answer the following questions in English:
1. What side of the road do you drive on in NZ?
2. What does this spell? STOP.
3. What does this spell? GIVE WAY.
4. What does this spell? KEEP LEFT
5. What do you do at a one lane bridge?
6. What does a solid yellow line on your side of the centre line mean?
Get one or more wrong and it’s sorry, no car, take the bus.”
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February 15, 2017 8:49am
- kowtow
  
  Get one or more wrong and it’s sorry, no car, take the bus.”
  
  And then the applicant , Mr Zhou , asks his own question.
  
  “Ahh , excuse prease, what is a bus?”
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:07am
- mandk
  
  The answer to 5 depends on what the signs say about which direction has priority.
  
  But the others are unambiguous and simple enough.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:49am
- Kabull
  
  And probably cause a lot of our own drivers – young and old – to resort to the bus. I’m always fascinated by this ‘thing’ we have about foreign drivers when our international reputation is not great.
  I also wonder where those who ‘demand’ that we improve the roads, build passing lanes, put up more signs think the money will come from. Our infrastructure may not be great but as we have only (I suspect) about 1 million citizens actually contributing to the nation’s financial income, we can only do so much. Perhaps close a couple of hospitals and divert those funds into roading?
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:26am
- Garbageman
  
  That’s a good start Cap quite frankly from someone that lives in the bottom half of the country im sick to death of the never-ending crashes and fatalities that happen down this way nearly all caused by useless tourists my lady is working out of Timaru at the moment and has to travel a lot for work and I truly fear for her life at times, I know we need the tourist coin but the amount of lives these idiots destroy is an on-going tragedy that needs addressed sooner than later
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:49am
- Ed Snack
  
  Solid yellow, doesn’t that mean I’d better push the loud pedal harder when I overtake ? And at a one lane bridge, just make sure you switch your headlights on and off rapidly as you approach and drive straight on, opposing traffic will probably think you are an emergency vehicle and give way.
  
  (Do I really need a /s tag here ?)
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:24pm
insider

Radio NZ has gone full retard witchhunt mode against a councillor in taranaki who had the temerity in a private communication to question the glorious success of investment in maori language promotion (which the maori language commission says has delivered diminishing numbers of fluent speakers).

Good to see rnz pursuing thought crimes without once raising the concept of free speech.
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February 15, 2017 8:50am
- kowtow
  
  They’ve gone full retard anyway ,with their tokenist introductions of themselves in Maori.
  
  Either it’s an English language broadcast or it’s not. Patronising, racist nonsense.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:09am
- VicParking
  
  It was a private comment on his own facebook page.
  If it was ” Rasist” or not is up to the reader. What it is not is that it is an issue the council should get involved in. He did not say it at a council meeting or while he was representing council in an offical capacity. He was sitting at home, in his undies?, in front of his own computer. The Mayor is a twat.
  
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  February 15, 2017 3:35pm
burt

I think ztev might be Michael Cullen… Anyone have any thoughts on that ?
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February 15, 2017 8:55am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Not likely. He’s too busy being important.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:02am
  - sooty
    
    Not likely. Hes too busy been self imoprtant. Makeing the most of his knighthood. Oh how that must piss off the snowflakes!
    
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    February 15, 2017 10:00am
- srylands
  
  It is plausible. But we may never know unless he is outed.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:04am
  - burt
    
    I’ve been throwing different barbs at ztev a while now and the ones that ztev bites real hard on are ones that make a fool of Mallard, or Cullen.
    
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    February 15, 2017 10:27am
- chris
  
  Seems a bit too angry and frothy to be Michael Cullen. I’d think Andrew Little would be more likely 😉 Has to be a Labour insider though – s/he seems to know a lot about their internal workings etc.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:05am
- srylands
  
  On the other hand, I am not sure Michael Cullen would exhibit such terrible grammar and sentence construction. He is a historian and I think would write much better. Also I just can’t imagine him being motivated to devoting the time.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:09am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Precisely. Dr Cullen would never use the distorted prose, apalling grammar and poor spelling that ztev displays.
    
    I wonder if ztev is Hey Clint. Bear in mind that “zetetic” used to be a house nom-de-plume at The Standard, and we all know that Hey Clint has been Steve Pierson, among other alisases. Clint was head-hunted by David Cunliffe, and remains in Little’s inner circle.
    
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    February 15, 2017 9:33am
- AgentBallSack
  
  I originally thought it was Phil Quin. But then the “ztev” made me think Trevor.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:20am
- Manolo
  
  I doubt it. Socialist Cullen is too pompous and arrogant to mingle with the proletarian masses.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:46am
- mandk
  
  Could be.
  
  Whoever it is is clearly a forget nothing, learn nothing socialist.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:51am
- Garbageman
  
  Na he/it/them just sounds like one of those snivelling gimps from The Standard that has a list of Nationals and in particular John Keys alleged lies and indiscretions taped to their comp screen so they can rinse and repeat the same boring accusations on a daily basis, at least our other resident leftards have some originality when posting and no Penny I am not referring to you
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:55am
- jonar
  
  Yes, you guys are so crazy you think anyone here from the left could only be a Labour MP or ex MP.
  
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  February 15, 2017 12:27pm
  - burt
    
    Well, apart from union bosses and Labour MPs – who else thinks that Labour are worth defending ?
    
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    February 15, 2017 12:49pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Surely not witty or verbose enough to be Cullen.
  
  Given his literacy level I would suspect either a unionist, or someone who went to a state school some time in the last 30 years.
  
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  February 15, 2017 1:14pm
Happychappy

Know mater who it is you could bet your bottom dollar that he will be promoted from the Union, my bet is Matt.
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February 15, 2017 9:07am
- srylands
  
  No matter.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:11am
- Pateke
  
  Too many historical facts and not greasy enough to be Matt.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:22am
Happychappy

You had to have a laugh in question time from Parliament yesterday two different questions asked by seasoned Leaders Andrew and Winston and they were completely owned by Bill English so when will they learn not to call the PM weak and also not to send boys to do a mans job.
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February 15, 2017 9:17am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Must remember to watch it today. Sounds like fun.
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:23am
- stigie
  
  It seems that every question that is asked by Winston, just makes you wonder if there’s any truth to them because they are batted away to the boundry with ease !~
  
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  February 15, 2017 9:39am
cha

The left hand has no fucking idea what the right hand is doing.

President Donald Trump said Friday afternoon he was unaware of reports that his national security adviser, Michael Flynn, may have spoken about sanctions with the Russian ambassador before the inauguration.
Trump, speaking to reporters aboard Air Force One, said he will “look into that.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/10/politics/flynn-russia-us-sanctions-reports/

1:20 p.m. Spicer took over again and directly addressed Flynn’s resignation. He said that the White House had been reviewing and evaluating this issue for the last few weeks and was trying to “ascertain the truth.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/spicer-white-house-press-briefing-live-today-02-14/
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February 15, 2017 9:32am
- marcw
  
  Flynn’s mistake was not setting up a private email server in his basement, and being able to erase or conceal anything which revealed the truth when the awkward questions started.
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:03am
  - cha
    
    But IOKIYAR.
    
    http://mashable.com/2017/02/14/senators-want-trumps-phone-investigated/
    
    https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/25/trumps-most-senior-staff-use-a-private-email-server/
    
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-01-24/donald-trump-tweets-presidential-records-deletions-edits/8206920
    
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    February 15, 2017 10:18am
  - Gabby
    
    You think he hasn’t.
    
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    February 15, 2017 1:20pm
Manolo

Who is leaking?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/14/exclusive-defiant-flynn-insists-he-crossed-no-lines-leakers-must-be-prosecuted/

In the final hours before his resignation, now-former White House National Security Adviser Michael T. Flynn said he “crossed no lines” in his discussion with Russia’s ambassador, but ultimately he was most concerned about the steady stream of leaks to reporters based on classified information.
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February 15, 2017 9:49am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, are you like Michael Flynn still a Pizzagate truther ?
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:21am
cha

Cruise missiles deployed in violation of a treaty, spy ships spotted off USA coast – someone’s poking someone.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/14/russia-has-secretly-deployed-a-cruise-missile-that-violates-an-arms-treaty-nyt-report.html

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/02/14/russian-spy-ship-off-east-coast-us-officials-say.html
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February 15, 2017 10:10am
Manolo

A good column:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/janet-albrechtsen/green-dreamers-are-weaving-baskets-in-the-dark/news-story/4a17b417b568d6f1ab28ebdf63139a08

There’s one thing worse than a bunch of deluded commentators who treat green energy as a religion and Insiders as the church where they get down on their knees and pray. And that’s the South Australian Labor government. Prior to leaving on a trade mission to the US last year, SA Labor Premier Jay Weatherill said South Australia risked becoming like a “rust-belt” industrial state in the US if it didn’t change its economy.
Weatherill’s changed economy is one powered by 40% of renewable energy and the results are in.
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February 15, 2017 10:15am
stephieboy

Flynn’s resignation is emerging as big vindication for MSM who had called out his fake news tweets about Pizzagate and other scurrilous lies about Hillary Clinton that contributed to her loss at the polls ,

“Hillary Clinton burns Michael Flynn over resignation with ‘fake news’ tweet ”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/14/hillary-clinton-burns-michael-flynn-resignation-fake-news-tweet/
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February 15, 2017 10:17am
- Manolo
  
  Still bitter about your hero’s loss, stephieboy?
  Get over it, mate. Take a deep breath and say slowly: President Trump.
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:34am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Wandering Folk Hero
    
    Oh wait, wrong nominee. Sorry!
    
    What I find so funny about this Hillary the wandering folk hero story is that even though she was quick to abandon the “Trump is a Russian Nazi Misogynist Bigot” rhetoric that was her platform throughout the campaign and headed back to the main road, her most avid fans have doubled down. In this story she is literally meeting her fans in the woods where she metaphorically left them. Politically the only way to reach her base now is to hike back into the ideological woods and assure them that this is in fact where they want to be. They remain encamped because she has continued to visit them bringing fresh supplies of Russian interference and dangerous behavior by the President-Elect. This ragtag band of wilderness squatters huddle around the camp fires consisting of recounts, faithless electors, conflicts of interest, imaginary white supremacist conspiracies, and impeachment before inauguration. All the while yelling “This is NOT normal you hateful bigots” and “You should accept the will of the people” to every passersby.
    
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    February 15, 2017 11:06am
  - Garbageman
    
    Shh Manolo don’t tell him that im still getting a daily kick out of the on-going meltdowns and pointless repetition of the same old stories but even that pales into significance the days of tears and silence after Trump won but there is hope yet for a complete snowflake meltdown I can hear the blood vessels expanding as I type
    
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    February 15, 2017 11:06am
stephieboy

Manolo, not at all. Just enjoying the Trump Circus .Hugely entertaining including using his android and other communications on non secure private servers,

https://www.cnet.com/news/senate-democrats-question-security-of-donald-trumps-phone-android-hacking-national-security/
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February 15, 2017 10:41am
- AgentBallSack
  
  One question remains to be answered. How long will the democrat camp remain entrenched in the ideological woods clinging to their hallucinations? The hallucination that Orange Hitler is going to kill us all, and when he isn’t killing us all, he will be scheming to imprison, rape, censor, delegitimize, oppress, and swindle us all. The endgame of his master plan being to make a few bucks while instituting his fascist dictatorship. The only people capable of answering this question are the ones that are hallucinating, and I for one don’t expect a reality check any time soon. Especially with the mainstream media using their narrative for what I can only assume at this point, is its pure entertainment value. As long as the not so illusive Wandering Folk Hero continues to be followed around the woods by a media crew and rabid packs of fans, the legend will continue.
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:19am
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, still into Pizzagate , Clinton body count , Clinton Foundation , Birther , Obummer Anti Chrsit etc, etc conpiracy nuttery ?
    
    Alex Jones and Paul Joesph Jones, Breitbart, frontaphe etc still you first port of call for your news and info tainment ??
    
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    February 15, 2017 11:35am
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      You have to admit there are a lot of bodies. All those people committing suicide with 3 shots to the back of the head, or shot in a robbery in a crime free area where the thieves took nothing.
      
      His name was Seth Rich.
      
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      February 15, 2017 12:09pm
      - stephieboy
        
        ABS, what’s typically missing is actual proof and evidence .
        
        Trump going to reinvestigate ?
        
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        February 15, 2017 12:45pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Maybe Trump will stephie. Rich was touted as one the leaks inside the Democrats to Wikileaks, if it wasnt for Wikileaks Clinton probably would have won. Perhaps Trump owes it to the family of Seth Rich to investigate why DC cops *couldnt* find the killer. Killary didn’t seem to care too much.
        Then again Trump thinks Assange is a traitor so maybe not. It’s still a Hoffaesque mystery.
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:22pm
Manolo

The NYT, home of fake news, at its best:
http://www.thewrap.com/new-york-times-reporter-apologizes-melania-trump-hooker/

The New York Times reporter who called Melania Trump a “hooker” at a private event on Sunday has apologized, saying he wants to “take ownership of a mistake” he made.
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February 15, 2017 10:43am
- fernglas
  
  If you consider tasteless and baseless gossip over the dinner table to be news, then you really need to reconsider the basis upon which you come to your opinions.
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:10am
  - Jack5
    
    Ignore fernglas, Manolo.
    
    New York Times lefties besmirching Mrs Trump is worthy of going on record. Mrs Trump should put her law hounds on to the mongrel. Sue him blind.
    
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    February 15, 2017 11:23am
- Komata
  
  Manolo
  
  One does have to wonder how much he (or his employer) had to ‘contribute’ in settlement…
  
  A faux apology, methinks.
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:43am
All_on_Red

Valentines Day poem from @GodfreyElfwick
Roses are red
Being Muslim is cool
My wife’s due home soon
From primary school
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February 15, 2017 10:45am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , another lame and rather pointless post .
  
  However this will make you implode from my post just above re Michael Flynn’s ignominious resignation ,
  
  Hillary Clinton ✔@HillaryClinton
  Philippe’s got his own way of saying things, but he has a point about the real consequences of fake news… https://twitter.com/philippereines/status/831356816609116160 …
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:52am
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    ?
    
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    February 15, 2017 11:06am
    - Jack5
      
      🙂 😀 😉 🙂 😀 😛 Great!!
      
      You realise, All_on_Red, that Dame Devoid, under her “hate speech” campaign, plans to make such jokes carry prison sentences?
      
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      February 15, 2017 11:14am
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , I don’t think Dame Devoid had in mind thoughtful original and genuinely funny tweets, hate or otherwise .
        
        Shall we substiute the word “Muslim “with say “Jew “.
        
        Still cool ?
        
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        February 15, 2017 11:44am
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X (11.44).
        
        From the varying styles, I have suspected one of the Stephie team was female.
        
        Stephie X, you’re not, you’re not, you’re not Dame Devoid moonlighting in a niquab? Are you Susan????
        
        Does the commission boss know about this?
        
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        February 15, 2017 11:57am
  - thedavincimode
    
    another lame and rather pointless post
    
    Hypocrisy much? The lack of emotional intelligence is strong in this one.
    
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    February 15, 2017 12:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Thus another who would be happy if the tweet substituted “Muslim ” for “Jew” ?
      
      Hypocrisy much?
      
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      February 15, 2017 12:31pm
      - Inandout
        
        You are an inane twit. Muslims are a drain on society and add little to our lifestyle, and if they disappeared overnight we would all be a little wealthier. If Jews disappeared overnight our medical and technological fields would immediately suffer. Hitler found that out to his cost when Jews (who were able) left Germany in numbers, while the UK and USA reaped the benefits.
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:10pm
Manolo

Flynn’s replacement?
Kellogg is one of three candidates Trump is considering as a permanent replacement for Flynn, according to a senior White House official. The other two are David H. Petraeus, a former CIA director and retired general, and Vice Adm. Robert Harward, a former deputy commander of the U.S. Central Command.
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February 15, 2017 10:58am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, David Petraeus , the scandal ridden chap who narrowly avoided felony charges andpossible prison time ?
  
  http://www.nationalreview.com/article/444896/say-no-david-petraeus-national-security-adviser
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:58am
  - Manolo
    
    Yes, the same US general.
    
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    February 15, 2017 12:00pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    the scandal ridden chap who narrowly avoided felony charges and possible prison time ?
    
    I thought you were talking about Hillary then stephie, my bad.
    
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    February 15, 2017 12:11pm
    - stephieboy
      
      No . The “stellar” “uprighting standing” and “moral ” US General ?
      
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      February 15, 2017 12:29pm
Manolo

The elites huddled around the euro:
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/14/could-marine-le-pen-be-right-an-overall-look-at-france-pre-and-post-euro.html

One of Le Pen’s campaign pledges is putting the country’s membership of the euro zone to a referendum, arguing that the common currency hasn’t benefited the French people.

Analysts have told CNBC that such an argument is nonsense and that in fact, the second-largest euro zone economy has been one the main beneficiaries of the single currency.
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February 15, 2017 11:01am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Le Pen will win. Might be time to start putting money on a Frexit
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:09am
Fletch

This is scary. Very scary. Tucker Carlson interviews one of the organizers of the Berkley riot against Milo. Her name is Yvette Felarca, leader of the Coalition to Defend Affirmative Action, Integration, and Immigrant Rights and Fight for Equality By Any Means Necessary — also known as BAMN. She claims to be against fascism but is the violent face of fascism itself. Even worse, the woman is a teacher of children!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYq66pK9jM4

The video clip at the beginning of the segment shows her and others violently attacking a man she doesn’t agree with.

Liberals, look in the mirror; this is the person you end up becoming if you stay on the road you’re on. A total loon.
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February 15, 2017 11:09am
- Jack5
  
  Interesting clip.
  
  You have to give it to Yvette Felarca for being a thug-ette without a black face mask, though. Many of the creepy leftist thugs mask their faces.
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:32am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , the unholy alliance of Trump Supporters, the alt right and vile anti semtism ,
  
  5 Creepy Anti-Semitic Memes On Reddit, Or How the ‘Alt-Right’ Spent Election Day,
  
  http://forward.com/opinion/353795/5-creepy-anti-semitic-memes-on-reddit-or-how-the-alt-right-spent-election-d/
  
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  February 15, 2017 12:07pm
  - Fletch
    
    stephie, the “alt right” is largely a fantasy boogieman created by Clinton and the left wing media to scare people with. Yes, sure, there are fringe elements in any movement but the whole left is becoming ~~unfringed~~ unhinged. You don’t think conservatives were dismayed when Obama got in again in 2012? Did you see them rioting in the streets? No. Because conservatives, by and large, are civil and civilized.
    
    If this last election has done anything, it has been to truly expose the ugliness of progressivism. The intolerance. The willingness to be violent if their man is not in charge. The constant criticism by the media and the Hollywood elites (this next Grammy day is bound to be a day to turn off the TV, with political speeches sure to be made by these actors who think they know better).
    
    Yes, there are neo-Nazi groups in America whose views I do not agree with. But I haven’t heard of them being violent and rioting. It is the Left who are fascist and tend toward totalitarianism.
    
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    February 15, 2017 12:31pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , I don’ think you would of seen anything if Hilary Clinton had won judging by Trump and his supporters threats of ,”another revolutionary war ”
      
      Sure as eggs riots etc including an attempted military coup would be no doubt on the agenda .
      
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/28/donald-trump-supporters-warn-of-another-revolutionary-war-if-hil/
      
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      February 15, 2017 12:36pm
    - cha
      
      It is the Left who are fascist and tend toward totalitarianism.
      
      Aww, that’s sad, Fletch. But I’m sure you have a safe space to retreat to.
      
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      February 15, 2017 1:12pm
- Gabby
  
  Did he find out how much Milo paid her?
  
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  February 15, 2017 12:56pm
- cha
  
  This is scary. Very scary.
  
  Yes, those school teachers a fucking scary, but you know what to do, don’t you, Fletch.
  
  safe space
  
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  February 15, 2017 1:16pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    So speaketh cha, the original safe space…as in no space for thoughts, it’s ALL empty space “up there”.
    
    Nice to have fascists teaching our children how to hate and be racist and exclusionist isn’t it. I bet though you wouldn’t need a teacher to do that for any unfortunate children you have, they get it anyway.
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:32pm
    - cha
      
      Kicked in the slats when the boot’s on the other hoof and the best you can do is launch an ad-hom at someone’s kids.
      
      Fucking weakling….
      
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      February 15, 2017 2:46pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        cha, I put it to you too ~
        Why do lefties believe in safe spaces where they don’t have to hear nasty words, but not safe countries where you don’t get run over by Islamic truck drivers?
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:24pm
      - cha
        
        Perhaps you could point out where the fuck I’ve ever said lefties need safe spaces, because my concern is for Fletch.
        
        He’s obviously so troubled by the notion that the black bloc is real and has no qualms about taking to the streets and that some people in the world hate him and all he stands for, I did the decent thing and advised him to seek out a safe space.
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        February 15, 2017 3:59pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Very scary woman. She considers her opinion trumps that of anyone she doesn’t agree with. She can’t see the danger or irony in inciting violence against those that disagree with her.
  
  Her teaching certificate should be stripped, but they will probably give her a bravery award instead!
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:49pm
Manolo

stephieboy should listen to this:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/14/bill-oreilly-stunning-display-dishonesty-from-national-press-and-radical-left.html
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February 15, 2017 11:10am
- Jack5
  
  In fairness, Manolo, when you ask the Stephie trolls to listen to something, I think there’s something you should know about them.
  
  They are hearing impaired. They hear out of only one of their ears. Decades of working next to muezzins on loud speakers.
  
  The ear that faces Mecca is okay. The one that faces the rest of the world is pretty much totally deaf.
  
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  February 15, 2017 11:36am
rangitoto

The cowardly leaders of France.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/767218/Paris-riots-leaders-cowardly-Marine-Le-Pen-Francois-Fillon
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February 15, 2017 11:25am
Newbie

Regarding the story about the five year old Hamilton girl who went missing, the article said:

“It wasn’t until 9pm that they realised their youngest child had vanished”

Cripes, what kind of parents are they?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11800868
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February 15, 2017 11:53am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You know the answer. You’ve seen pictures of them.
  
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  February 15, 2017 12:32pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Shit parents
  
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  February 15, 2017 1:01pm
Manolo

It was an inside job:
http://theweek.com/articles/680068/americas-spies-anonymously-took-down-michael-flynn-that-deeply-worrying

The whole episode is evidence of the precipitous and ongoing collapse of America’s democratic institutions — not a sign of their resiliency. Flynn’s ouster was a soft coup (or political assassination) engineered by anonymous intelligence community bureaucrats.

The results might be salutary, but this isn’t the way a liberal democracy is supposed to function.
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February 15, 2017 12:01pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Yeah, far better to have someone in the White House who is doing deals with the Russians on the sly.
  
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  February 15, 2017 12:17pm
  - Andrei
    
    Well Lucia Maria you are going to get the war with Russia you your heart craves –
    
    hope you are happy when your boys are incinerated, personally I’d like my kids to live their lives and raise their own but the lunatics are in charge of the asylum
    
    https://youtu.be/7j_ZfKmcnSk
    
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    February 15, 2017 1:43pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      War or slavery, Andrei? Because Trump’s way is slavery that will result in war. A saner man would have been able to contain Putin without the need for war, and maybe that’s still possible. But the more free reign Putin gets, especially if those sanctions unravel, and then it all goes to shit very fast.
      
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      February 15, 2017 3:14pm
      - Andrei
        
        Your hatred of Russians and the Russian Orthodox Church has warped your mind
        
        Because frankly to be putting armies on Russia’s borders and missiles in neighbouring nations pointed at Russiá’s heart is bonkers, stupid and dangerous
        
        Who was it that attacked and destroyed Iraq, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan and Yugoslavia again?
        
        Russia or the USA?
        
        I wonder
        
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        February 15, 2017 4:32pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘ Because Trump’s way is slavery that will result in war.’
        Lol
        #TDS
        
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        February 15, 2017 5:54pm
- mikenmild
  
  Damn spoilsport spies – intercepting and then reporting on Flynn’s illegal chats with the Russkies.
  
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  February 15, 2017 12:45pm
  - fernglas
    
    It’s one of the drawbacks of a democracy; people feel able to reveal and comment on unlawful and inappropriate behaviour by those in power.
    
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    February 15, 2017 12:53pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I suppose we shouldn’t be too surprised that when nothing had happened three weeks after the the Acting Attorney-General had told the White House about Flynn’s misconduct, the info started to leak out.
      
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      February 15, 2017 1:00pm
  - Andrei
    
    What was illegal about his phone call Mikey?
    
    Nothing!!!!
    
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    February 15, 2017 1:45pm
    - DoctorDoc
      
      If nothing was wrong with the conversation, why did Flynn feel he had to lie to Pence about it?
      
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      February 15, 2017 6:22pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,
  
  “Flynn’s ouster was a soft coup (or political assassination) engineered by anonymous intelligence community bureaucrats”
  
  Yet another Clinton body bag or Birther type conspiracy theory in the making ?
  
  Nice that alt right news speak “,soft coup (or political assassination) ” !
  
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  February 15, 2017 12:53pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Has Manolo ever defended any of his posts? I’ve not really paid much attention to him till the last couple of weeks and since doing so, I’ve not noticed any sort of defence of anything. He certainly ignored me the other day. He just posts more stuff in the same vein further down the thread. It seems he is not really here to debate, just to spam the thread with his type of news, as far as I can tell.
    
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    February 15, 2017 1:10pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Manolo’s not one for debating. He’s a new aggregator, like Philu.
      
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      February 15, 2017 1:16pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        At least you could talk to Philu. Question him about his comments and he’d respond. Manolo is like a bot.
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:21pm
      - Jack5
        
        I can’t see the resemblance to mad Philu, the ex-armed robber.
        
        Philu splattered the blog with a million full stops.
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:30pm
      - Manolo
        
        Comparing me to the crim Ure is highly offensive, mikenmild! 😀
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:18pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Has Manolo ever defended any of his posts?
      
      Nope. Like Nukuleka, a “spray-and-walk-away” merchant.
      
      But at least, unlike stephieboy or Chuck Bird, he doesn’t go through the pretence of engagement by issuing one-way interrogations, and then twisting what you say, and refusing to reciprocate the question-and-answer process.
      
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      February 15, 2017 1:20pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Kimbo,
        
        I now understand why Nukuleka bothered you. Totally understand. Ever since he came out as a bald man who doesn’t like taking his hat off in banks because Muslim women don’t have to take off their veils.
        
        Yes, I think the Spray and Walk Away label is unfairly slapped just onto Penny when there are worse offenders amongst us.
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:23pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …was more surprised by the revelation that Nukuleka is gay. Really?!
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:26pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Kimbo,
        
        Gay?? Where did that come from?
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:30pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Oh, yeah and Scott annoyed me. If you want to start a thread where you call people out in general debate by questioning the spiritual and moral integrity of anyone who doesn’t believe the book of Genesis should be included in the school science curriculum, then you sure better stick around to debate the resulting technical textual and Hebrew translation issues, rather than a quick google search to cherry-pick data that supports your prejudices and then heading for the hills proclaiming “QED”.
        
        Contemptuous.
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:32pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Nukuleka
        
        As a gay guy who lived through these allegedly dreadful anti-gay times can I say that I think this is just a nonsense! The laws of the past were the laws of the past- you can’t suddenly turn them on their heads in this way. National under Bill English is frankly becoming something of an embarrassment. Firstly Catholic Bill (yes, I’m a Catholic too) turns round and says that although he voted against the same sex marriage bill now he would support it and now this. No doubt Bill is priming himself for a gay old appearance at the Gay Pride Day which will no doubt be coming up soon. Be true to yourself, Bill, and stop trying to accommodate yourself to the liberal progressive wing in your caucus.
        
        It all smacks of political expendiency and hypocrisy and I don’t like it
        
        FEBRUARY 10, 2017 7:59AM
        
        http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2017/02/historical_consensual_homosexual_convictions_to_be_wiped.html/comment-page-1
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:35pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Kimbo,
        
        Not everyone enjoys sticking around to have their face pounded into the dirt. They’ll take off if that looks to be a certainty!
        
        Edited to add: thanks for that link, I missed that comment!
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Hmmf. As with Chuck Bird, Nukuleka and Scott, I think I only reserve that approach for those who first call others out in a provocative fashion. Don’t like the answer and the…extreme vetting? Then don’t go trolling and/or shilling with the added kicker that you question the moral, spiritual and/or intellectual integrity of those with an alternate point of view. I think Chuck Bird, Nukuleka and Scott are habitual grievous offenders in that regard. 😉
        
        May I commend you, btw, on your posts lately. A commendable self-awareness and growth in your approach.
        
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        February 15, 2017 1:40pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Kimbo, thanks. 😛
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:17pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Kimbo, calling someone else a “spray and walk away” merchant
        
        SNORK
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:54pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Kimbo, calling someone else a “spray and walk away” merchant
        
        SNORK
        
        Pfft. Last exchange I had with you was a follow up and a polite request for an apology for your initial accusation I was telling “lies” about the (then-potential, now-actual) court troubles Trump’s 90 day ~~Muslim ban~~ extreme vetting EO was likely to attract. And I heard the sound of silence…
        
        So only one of us has walked away, Mr Gutless Lying Coward.
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:16pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      I’m a Manolo fan…
      He keeps his eye on lots of World events that others seem to pass by.
      
      Plus, he writes perfect English, Spanish, Italian and (perhaps???) Bahasa Indonesian.
      
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      February 15, 2017 2:17pm
      - Manolo
        
        Parlo bahassa senza errore, cara Maggy. Mi piace molto che Lei lo dica. Grazie mille.
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:22pm
      - AgentBallSack
        
        I agree Maggy. He is a great at finding news that should be reported and doesn’t fit the MSM agenda. Very helpful and appreciated – thanks Manolo. (Just so you know what you’re doing is appreciated)
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:05pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        The type of stuff Manolo posts can easily be found at places such as RT, Breitbart, InfoWars,Veterans Today etc, etc.
        
        Manolo’s news items are like mixing Shawn Herles (mad for Breitbart) with Reid (InfoWars and even more esoteric stuff) and EAD (with whatever that money site is that he links to). Mix them all up and get the stories from the MSM rather than those sites, and viola – Manolo’s stories.
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:21pm
    - Manolo
      
      No, I’m not a bot, Lucia Maria. It happens I have no time for Russophobe Catholics. 🙂
      
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      February 15, 2017 2:21pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Convenient, Manolo. You’d lose so I suppose not arguing with me is the best thing for you. 😎
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:38pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Lucia, pride cometh and all that. I think Manolo’s attitude is more the “don’t wrestle with pigs in the mud” variety…though I’m sure he can easily dissuade me if he wishes.
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:56pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Ed. All Manolo has to say is yes, what you said, and you’d be persuaded, I bet. It wouldn’t be particularly intellectually challenging and at the level of engagement that would show any sort of ability. But, hey, my standards are higher!
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:00pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Lucia Maria
        
        Sometimes you need to dig a bit deeper with folks…
        You might find your computer geekiness gives you common ground with our pseudo-Indonesian.
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:12pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Maggy, surely you’ve noticed the comment that you replied to where Manolo has stated he won’t deign to reply to me. I’m not the one not wanting to dig deeper.
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:24pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Lucia Maria
        
        Oh dear, Manolo is going to ignore you.
        
        Well, you can’t come running to me for advice on “this season’s shoes to be seen out & about in”.
        https://cdn.spellbrand.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/manolo-blahnik-shoes-0.jpg
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:54pm
      - Manolo
        
        Just drop the subject, dear Lucia Maria. I only have eyes for Maggy and her sublime taste in shoes. 🙂
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:59pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        I won’t be dropping anything, Manolo.
        
        Chicken.
        
        Love it how you and Maggy are tag-teaming, letting her hide your inadequacies by distraction.
        
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        February 15, 2017 5:47pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Well Lucia, given your relatively recent conversion to raving anti-trump loony I can’t say that his ignoring you is undeserved frankly.
      
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      February 15, 2017 2:34pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        It’s not recent. Trump’s comments re Putin and Russia have been something I’ve been keeping an eye on ever since he became a contender for the US Presidency. And he looks to be worse than I could have imagined.
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:41pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Ah, so you’ve been loony longer than I thought…seems about right I guess.
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:57pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Riiiigggghhhttt. So, being concerned about Putin and Russia, and therefore a US Presidential candidate and now President who seems just a tad too cosy with Putin in light of Russia’s recent invasions and on-going war in Ukraine and expansion of military bases, etc, etc makes me a loony. Especially given my Polish background and family history with regards to Russian invasions. Well, I can tell what side you are on!
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:06pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Trumps interview with Bill OReilly when they touched on Putin was interesting.
        Trump knows what Putin is.
        ‘ President who seems just a tad too cosy with Putin’
        This is wrong. He isn’t ‘cosy’ at all.
        Only a nutter would want conflict between the two.
        
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        February 15, 2017 5:58pm
  - pentwig
    
    links and proof steffie
    like you demand from everybody else
    or are you just trolling as usual?
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:18pm
waripori

This is unravelling real fast. Very few Americans will believe Flynn was dealing with the Russians on his own account and there have been so many leaks about this it wont be long before it becomes clear Flynn was doing what Trump asked of him.

At that point even the Republicans are going to have to look into Trump’s financial links to Russia and to conversations between the Trump campaign and the Russians last year.

Amazing really.
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February 15, 2017 12:49pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  I agree, Waipori.
  
  The Spy Revolt Against Trump Begins
  
  Intelligence Community pushes back against a White House it considers leaky, untruthful and penetrated by the Kremlin
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:46pm
  - cha
    
    What did you know and when did you know it, Mr President?.
    
    Sen. Tom Udall: "We have at least 2 serious criminal issues going on"—Lying to the FBI & a private citizen interfering in US foreign policy. pic.twitter.com/geuWpoAL0s— Kyle Griffin (@kylegriffin1) February 15, 2017
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:55pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    The destabilization campaign gathers pace, as I rather thought it would. “Deep State” really doesn’t like being challenged.
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:58pm
    - cha
      
      Oh dear…. deep state… infowars …the saker…that way…. >>>>
      
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      February 15, 2017 3:02pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      LOL! Yes, that is the sound of the American Republic fixing itself. Hopefully the virus hasn’t knocked it out too badly.
      
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      February 15, 2017 3:26pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Evidence?
  No, you got nuthin. Thought so.
  #TDS
  
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  February 15, 2017 6:01pm
kowtow

It was only a matter of time. Plod has been referring to cases of rudeness as “hate crimes” for some time now.

Now they are looking to create a new specific crime . Not their job .

“But police were now discussing with the Human Rights Commission whether a specific hate crime offence should be written into the law.”

Bush should be sacked for over stepping his responsibilities.

But no doubt this legislation will go through.

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/police-mull-law-hate-crimes
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February 15, 2017 12:59pm
- fernglas
  
  Kowtow
  How can a Police Commissioner be overstepping his responsibilities in recommending a change in the law? If you read the article, it makes it clear, as should be obvious to anyone, that it will be for Parliament to change the law. I would have thought that suggesting law changes was a very important Police function.
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:47pm
  - kowtow
    
    This is more than a change in the law. It is how crime is perceived. We don’t have “hate” crimes and we don’t need them. These instances are already covered by existing law as the Com has already stated. So why make not just a new law , but a whole new category of offence, one based not on the criminal act itself but on the motivation of the offender? This goes way beyond hid remit ,which is to enforce existing laws , not to make up new ones and then canvass quangoes to suit his agenda.
    
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    February 15, 2017 3:37pm
- stephieboy
  
  kowtow , ” hate crimes ” ? Of course but with Muslims , Murri, Curry Munchers , Pakis exempted ?
  
  Even possibly Jews ?
  
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  February 15, 2017 3:27pm
  - pentwig
    
    you always vilify Jews steffie
    do you have a hate for Jews?
    
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    February 15, 2017 9:18pm
    - Gabby
      
      you always modify pubes merkin
      do you have a taste for pubes?
      
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      February 15, 2017 10:13pm
Captain Mainwaring

Interesting news for Holden Commodore fans. Looks like GM Europe (where the next Commodore will come from) is about to be sold to the French Peugeot/Citroen group.
Sacre Bleu.
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February 15, 2017 1:04pm
- cmm
  
  Makes sense
  
  Germans own Mini & Rolls Royce.
  Indians own Land Rover & Jag.
  So it makes sense for the Frogs to own Commodore.
  
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  February 15, 2017 1:10pm
  - Brigitte
    
    And the car will be renamed as “comme d’or”.
    
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    February 15, 2017 1:16pm
Chuck Bird

On RadioLive this morning they a contest for someone to get 9 correct answers in 10 seconds. The were asked to name 9 current MPs from any party.

The first Winston. The second was John Key. The third was Paula Bennett. The time was up before any more. The person was then asked who the current leader of Labour was. The could not answer.
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February 15, 2017 1:22pm
- G152
  
  Maybe had they asked who the sultana leader was there might have been a response ?
  
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  February 15, 2017 1:37pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Given that Winston has:
  
  1) been in Parliament longer than anyone else there (first elected 39 years ago)
  2) been thrown out by the Speaker more than anyone else there,
  3) been sacked as a Minister more frequently than anyone else there, and
  3) gets himself on TV as often as anyone else there
  
  it’s hardly surprising he was the first named. It’s hardly a scientific poll.
  
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  February 15, 2017 1:44pm
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    I hear Gracinda is devastated .
    
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    February 15, 2017 3:28pm
Fletch

Tucker Carlson interviewing a gay journalist who is slowing turning toward conservatism after he wrote an unbiased profile on Milo for his gay magazine and was attacked for it. He even lost his best friend, though he voted for Hillary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g4l0q50bpc
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February 15, 2017 1:32pm
- Fletch
  
  ps, that should be, slowly turning toward conservatism… (the edit timer didn’t last the time it was supposed to).
  
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  February 15, 2017 1:39pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , will the gay jorunalist be trying gay conversion therapy ?
  
  http://www.businessinsider.com/famous-neurosurgeon-apologizes-for-his-ridiculous-comments-about-the-lgbtq-community-2015-3?IR=T
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:27pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Perhaps we should treat gay conversion therapy like socialism? Keep on trying it until it works. After all its not the quality of the therapy, but the patient is just not responding to it !
    
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    February 15, 2017 7:41pm
Chuck Bird

This is worrying. I thought is was the job of the police was to enforce the law not make the law. Hate crime could soon turn to hate speech. Would it only apply if it is said to a person and not on a blog?

New Zealand could get hate crime offence, police commissioner says after racist attack in Huntly

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11801083
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February 15, 2017 1:56pm
- Fletch
  
  I am wondering if that attack in Huntly was staged as a push for new hate speech laws. “Hate speech” is hard to define and quite open to interpretation. Hate speech laws have been used overseas by people taking offense at something someone said to have others arrested or jailed. It’s a way to silence people whose views you don’t like to hear. Chilling, really.
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:02pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Fletch , nothing like a pizzagate type or birther Conspiracy theories , eh ?
    
    Keeping stoking the slow burning embers
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:10pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Fletch,
    
    Staged? In New Zealand?? Seriously???
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:20pm
    - Fletch
      
      Whaleoil has a post about the woman’s politics and investigates her Twitter feed history.
      
      https://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/02/activist-ordinary-kiwi-muslim-twitter-feed-reveal/
      
      She seems to be more of an activist. I am wondering if she someone provoked a confrontation. New Zealand has been largely immune to this kind of provocation/reaction/run to the media kind of thing (as far as we can tell) but I think it is going to become more common.
      
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      February 15, 2017 3:31pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Control the speech, control the masses.
  
  Orwell was out in his reckoning of when “1984” would occur but not wrong about many other things.
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:07pm
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, anotheralt right paranoid who needs to get a sense of proportion and perspective !
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:12pm
    - Jack5
      
      Throw him off a building, eh Stephie X?
      
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      February 15, 2017 2:15pm
    - AgentBallSack
      
      You call it paranoia, I call it common sense. I am old enough that I don’t particularly worry about what will happen to me much any more, but I am concerned about what will become of my children.
      
      It’s ironic leftards want safe spaces but don’t believe in the concept of safe countries.
      
      I am not afraid of speech, you see. Your childish rantings about alt-right and Trump is where the real paranoia manifests.
      
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      February 15, 2017 3:19pm
    - pentwig
      
      steffie, another alt left paranoid who needs to get a sense of proportion and perspective!
      
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      February 15, 2017 9:24pm
- Jack5
  
  Chuck:
  
  The police depend on, indeed can only function with, the support of reasonable citizens.
  
  If the police are going to fuck around with free speech, they might find less support in cases such as when police shoot, accidentally or not, members of the public.
  
  They might find less tolerance for their hammering with fines the many law abiding motorists who absent-mindedly drift a few miles an hour above speed limits, while each year tens of millions of dollars of unpaid fines from the ratbags of society are quashed.
  
  I’m not optimistic that the police will back off an attack on our democratic rights of free speech given the way they are focusing on PC offences.
  
  An example is the extremely heavy handed way senior police treated an off-duty police sergeant in Queenstown, when, pissed at the weekend while off-duty she said racially offensive things to a taxi driver.
  
  It would be interesting to know if the day has already arrived when there is a PC way of getting police to attend a burglary aftermath at your house – telling them the motive is racism and that the burglars drew swastikas on the walls.
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:12pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack 5 , daub Jewish graves with Nazi insignia and hold a hate speech rally outside the Grey’s Avenue Synagogue and see how Jews might feel ?
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:16pm
    - Jack5
      
      Or, Stephie, NZ could sink to the level of North African and Middle Eastern countries and drive out ancient Jewish populations. This is what they have done since the end of World War 2.
      
      It ill becomes Muslims, even semi-Westernised Stephiestanis like the members of Kiwiblog’s resident troll syndicate, to lash Westerners as being anti-Jewish.
      
      Your trolling tactics, are very obvious Stephies. When a topic arises hostile to Muslims, you try to divert the debate. Your goal is to disrupt debate rather than to engage in debate.
      
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      February 15, 2017 2:19pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , anti semitism doesn’t occur in the West and amongst Trump supporters ?
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:21pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Stephie, not really, most anti-semitism is amongst the Democrats. Like Ellison, the prospective head of the DNC, a well known anti-semite. Trump is of course related by marriage to people of Jewish extraction, so hardly a likely anti-semite is he ?
        
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        February 15, 2017 2:38pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Ed Snack , most anti semtism among Deomcrats ?
        
        Oh really ?
        
        The evidence shows otherwise ,
        
        http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-there-are-some-fringe-factions-of-the-alt-right-that-have-demonstrated-genuinely-racist-milo-yiannopoulos-155-13-14.jpg
        
        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/KhWHt5sHB-Q/maxresdefault.jpg
        
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        February 15, 2017 3:32pm
    - pentwig
      
      steffie
      what is the cause of your hatred towards Jews?
      
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      February 15, 2017 9:26pm
- fernglas
  
  Parliament makes the law. That is obvious. Police have a responsibility to advise on or suggest changes to the law based on their experience in policing. It would be absurd if the body charged with enforcing the law was unable to have input into what it should be. Whether you agree with what they suggest is another matter.
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:51pm
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    We’re not talking about bar closing hours, fernglas, but about the core freedom – freedom of speech.
    
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    February 15, 2017 3:02pm
    - fernglas
      
      What about freedom of association? Another core freedom. The Police provided impetus for the legislation about organised criminal groups. Should they have kept their noses out of that?
      
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      February 15, 2017 3:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5 , freedom of speech ?
      
      Except for Muzzies !
      
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      February 15, 2017 3:37pm
Jack5

(Chuck: just noticed your post above):

The police are looking at whether new anti-hate speech legislation is needed, Mei Heron reports at Radio NZ, the Voice of the Left.

So Dame Devoid has the police’s attention in her mad dream of ending free speech.

All part of the Left’s international anti-democracy drive:

American university students barring speakers they don’t agree with, and demanding (and sometimes getting) renaming of institutions named after “dead white men”.

Young leftists bashing right wing protesters.

Demonstrations led by dubious people, such as the feminist March on Washington. One of the key speakers was Donna Hylton, who served time for torturing a gay man. A key organiser of the march was Linda Sarsour, an American-born Muslim woman who has promoted sharia law and has had links with the Palestinian guerrilla organisation Hamas.
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February 15, 2017 1:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  Evidence that Linda Sarsour actually supports and promted Sharia in the US other than the claims by the usual conspiracy and Muslim hate sites ?
  
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  February 15, 2017 2:24pm
  - Jack5
    
    This link is for Kiwiblog posters and readers who are interested in more information about Linda Sarsour, a despicable woman who has bitterly attacked the heroic Muslim dissident, Ayaan Hirsi Ali.
    
    The Stephie syndicate should not follow this link. Their madrassa-moulded minds will be incapable of absorbing it.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxDr5HF0qWU
    
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    February 15, 2017 2:36pm
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    links steffie?
    
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    February 15, 2017 9:29pm
Inandout

In like Flynn, out like Flynn.
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February 15, 2017 2:13pm
Lucia Maria

Awwww…. the Kremlin-mouthpiece RT (Russia Today) is sad that Flynn is gone.

‘Michael Flynn’s resignation – US establishment coup’

The GOP elite, the Democrats and mainstream media couldn’t stop Donald Trump from becoming president, so now they have a coup, says lawyer and filmmaker Mike Cernovich. Michael Flynn’s resignation is a huge victory for them, he adds.

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I heard earlier that this was going to happen. I actually reported earlier that there was a meeting where they are going to discuss the future of Flynn, so I am not surprised. It is very unfortunate because there was no proof ever that Flynn had done anything wrong and had done anything inappropriate. There were allegedly nine anonymous sources, and the Washington Post which has been caught making up news… For example, the Washington Post said Russian hackers had hacked the power grid in the US. This was, of course, a fake news story. The Washington Post, all they do is create fake news. So, it is very disappointing… to see General Flynn leave.

Notice how pro-Russian sources keep banging on about the mistake the Washington Post made re Russian hackers and the power grid, a mistake which was corrected, while as RT (Russia Today) promotes fake news that is never corrected, such as all the stories regarding Ukraine and the downing of MH-17.
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February 15, 2017 2:56pm
- cha
  
  And if they back the bus over Flynn it’ll be canaries singing at eleven, too.
  
  Sr admin official tells @JDiamond1 Flynn also fired bc without telling Transition head Pence he put in for security clearance for his son— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) February 15, 2017
  
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  February 15, 2017 3:07pm
waikatogirl

Just heard a news item:
An American Medical marujuana firm is to begin supplying Middlemore Hospital from the middle of March.
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February 15, 2017 3:05pm
cha

Cruel.

#Trump #Putin image projected on #NYC building on 9th Avenue #Chelsea pic.twitter.com/Dzt2kSTL2e— Jeanine Ramirez (@RamirezJeanine) February 15, 2017

https://twitter.com/RamirezJeanine/status/831666782167523328
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February 15, 2017 3:10pm
- Inandout
  
  Absolute wanking material for snowflakes.
  
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  February 15, 2017 3:54pm
AgentBallSack

Has Reid forsaken us? I haven’t seen him since his last ban ended. (Asking for a friend)
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February 15, 2017 3:11pm
cha

drip

drip

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WASHINGTON — Phone records and intercepted calls show that members of Donald J. Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and other Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election, according to four current and former American officials.

American law enforcement and intelligence agencies intercepted the communications around the same time that they were discovering evidence that Russia was trying to disrupt the presidential election by hacking into the Democratic National Committee, three of the officials said. The intelligence agencies then sought to learn whether the Trump campaign was colluding with the Russians on the hacking or other efforts to influence the election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/14/us/politics/russia-intelligence-communications-trump.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share
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February 15, 2017 3:38pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  BWWWAAA HAH HAH HAA!!
  
  All the Trumpists are going to have to hide away in their own pro-Trump safe space soon. The snowflakes won’t be able to cope!
  
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  February 15, 2017 3:52pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Actually it is Progressive fags who invented Safe Spaces where they can literally draw with crayons and play with Plasticine – to make Diversity Dildos no doubt.
    
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    February 15, 2017 4:58pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      And out comes the alternate personality. You are so very lucky DPF is a hands off the blog man.
      
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      February 15, 2017 5:52pm
- All_on_Red
  
  ‘According to four current and former American officials.’
  Who are unnamed sources…
  New York Times? Bwahahahahahhhah
  
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  February 15, 2017 6:38pm
  - virtualmark
    
    From that NYT article:
    
    All of the current and former officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because the continuing investigation is classified.
    
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    February 15, 2017 7:58pm
- virtualmark
  
  If this firms up with real proof then Trump is gone.
  
  Trump won’t be the first elected head of state rolled by the CIA. Just the first American one. Likening them to Nazi Germany was a stupid tactical move.
  
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  February 15, 2017 7:46pm
- cha
  
  Woohoo – bank records!!
  
  As part of its inquiry, the F.B.I. has obtained banking and travel records and conducted interviews, the officials said.
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:27pm
JasonJohns

BREAKING: THE COUP AGAINST TRUMP HAS BEGUN
https://pjmedia.com/michaelwalsh/2017/02/14/the-empire-strikes-back/

Time to hit back hard. Seditionists have no right to free speech.
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February 15, 2017 3:52pm
JasonJohns

Obama and the CIA have set up a shadow government. Time to arrest Obama.
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February 15, 2017 4:03pm
- cha
  
  Golly, two whole days to get the talking points out.
  
  Wait. This is literally what Russian TV said last Sunday: that Obama set up shop in DC and his "stay behind" loyalists are sabotaging Trump. pic.twitter.com/NgWxf7rDsW— Alexey Kovalev (@Alexey__Kovalev) February 14, 2017
  
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  February 15, 2017 4:06pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    To be fair, Breitbart was on message yesterday They must have a direct link to those who direct the stories…
    
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    February 15, 2017 4:15pm
    - cha
      
      Sadly, Jason’s a bit player way out on the periphery of the loop.
      
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      February 15, 2017 4:22pm
Lucia Maria

How Russia operates and how to stand up to them:

Montenegro to Russia: ‘Keep your hands off’ our NATO bid

Montenegro’s prime minister told Russia and its allies in the tiny Balkan state on Tuesday to stop destabilizing the county while opposing its NATO bid.

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Some 20 people — including two Russian citizens — have been suspected of participating in the October plot that allegedly included plans to kill a then-prime minister and take over power to prevent Montenegro from joining NATO.

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The Kremlin, opposed to further NATO expansion in Europe, has denied involvement in the alleged coup plot. But, it has actively supported groups opposed to Montenegro’s NATO membership.

U.S. President Donald Trump’s stand toward NATO, which he has described as an “obsolete” organization, and his warming of relations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, has worried many in Montenegro and the rest of the war-torn Balkans.

Bullies don’t like their victims to fight back.
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February 15, 2017 4:12pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  You mean like when Team Obama orchestrated a coup in the Ukraine to get their chosen thugs into power?
  
  And Syria, and Libya…?
  
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  February 15, 2017 4:54pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    How to identify yourself as a Russian Troll, 101:
    
    Team Obama orchestrated a coup in the Ukraine
    
    Classic.
    
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    February 15, 2017 5:54pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Up there with Trump will make us Slaves!
      #TDS
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      February 15, 2017 6:22pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Obsolete huh.
  Context might be useful. Mind you, I n some ways NATO IS obsolete. It doesn’t seem very effective and it’s members don’t pull their weight.
  ‘“I took such heat, when I said NATO was obsolete,” Trump told the newspaper in an interview. “It’s obsolete because it wasn’t taking care of terror. I took a lot of heat for two days. And then they started saying Trump is right.”
  Trump added that many NATO members were not paying their fair share for U.S. protection.
  “A lot of these countries aren’t paying what they’re supposed to be paying, which I think is very unfair to the United States,” Trump said. “With that being said, NATO is very important to me. There’s five countries that are paying what they’re supposed to. Five. It’s not much.”
  
  So, NATO is important to Trump.
  
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  February 15, 2017 6:27pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    We all want NATO. And since America pays for most of it, it’s fair they call the tune.
    
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    February 15, 2017 7:52pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

An Islamic valentine!:

Roses are red,
Being Muslim is cool,
My wife’s due home soon,
From primary school.
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February 15, 2017 4:56pm
SGA

What exactly did Christchurch do to annoy the gods so much? If you look back when you are leaving the place do you turn into a pillar of salt or something?
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February 15, 2017 6:18pm
- Kimbo
  
  In the last minute of the 3rd test in 1981 between the All Blacks and the Springboks, with the scores locked at 22-22, Alan Hewson placed the ball to attempt to goal series-deciding penalty.
  
  At that time, I made a promise. I told myself that, even though Hewson’s poor tackling, positional play and failure to catch the ball on the full had contributed to two Springbok tries when we should have been on easy-street, nonetheless, if he kicked that goal, I would be his unconditional supporter and public champion forever. He did, and Allan Hewson then went on to have a successful All Black career, where he kicked many more goals, and his attacking genius dragged our fullback play out of the Don Clarke dark ages, and into the era of modern rugby. Like I said, I’ve kept up my end of the bargain! 😉
  
  But that was never good enough for the people of Christchurch. Indeed, they viciously mocked Allan Hewson at every opportunity, including and especially when he was playing for the All Blacks at Lancaster Park instead of…Canterbury’s favourite son, Robbie Deans. Hence they suffer wrath now. That’s my theory, anyway! 😉
  
  Joking aside, hang tough Christchurch.
  
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  February 15, 2017 6:42pm
  - KevinH
    
    I went to the New Zealand vs South Africa game at Eden Park in 1981 as a rugby spectator and not as a protester because at the time I was a young man playing rugby in the then Auckland Rugby Union.
    All club games that day had been cancelled because of the protesters, normally on test match days we would all play morning games but on this day didn’t.
    In the week leading up to the test match Auckland Rugby Clubs kept vigil at Eden Park to ensure that protesters didn’t sneak into the grounds and dig up or damage the pitch which had happened at the Waikato game in Hamilton, causing the game to be cancelled when protesters invaded the pitch.
    It was a challenging and controversial time to be a rugby player, emotions were running high in the community regarding the apartheid regime in South Africa and rugby players were accused of being racist for supporting the tour and for not condemning South Africa,
    To most players at the time it was confusing, we loved the game but also didn’t agree with the apartheid politics of South Africa.
    South Africa was to us young men a long way away and we could not see how at the time that we could change the political scene there by refusing to play rugby against South Africa.
    My love for the game meant that at the time I fully supported the tour and was opposed to the protest movement.
    I had the unfortunate experience of watching a school friend cop a beating at Hamilton during the Waikato game when he joined in the invasion of the pitch. It created a rift between us that has continued over the years, such was the impact of that tour.
    On the day of the Eden Park game many of us were worried that the guys in the plane would crash into the stands, it was a totally unreal situation unfolding and any thing was possible.
    I remember watching Hewson lining up the kick and thinking that he better get it over, a win for the All Blacks meant to us supporters that we had prevailed over the protesters. As soon as the ball went over we moved to leave the stands and as we exited the grounds were confronted by what could only be described as an unreal scene on the streets surrounding the stadium where the Police were engaged in a riot with protesters. There were containers full of sand acting as barricades around the stadium and the streets were littered with rocks and broken glass that had been thrown at the Police by protesters. There were brawls involving supporters and protesters and in Cricket Ave a car had been tipped over on it’s roof with some louts attempting to set it on fire.
    It was a scene that was never to repeated in Auckland and a moment in New Zealand’s history that many of us there that day will never forget.
    
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    February 15, 2017 7:55pm
    - KevinH
      
      By the way Hewson was a last minute replacement for an injured Doug Rollerson and the third test was a baptism of fire for Hewson who was just beginning his All Black career against the then formidable Springboks.
      Hewson went on to have an outstanding career with the All Blacks but was controversially dropped just before eclipsing Don Clark’s record and was replaced by a young and upcoming player Robbie Deans from Canterbury.
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:03pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Almost right – Hewson was called in as a last minute replacement for the injured fullback…David Halligan in the 1st test against Scotland at Carisbrook earlier that year.
        
        http://www.clubrugby.co.nz/wellington/story.php?id=1206
        
        Rollerson didn’t come in until the second test against Scotland, at no. 10 in place of the injured Eddie Dunn. And Hewson scored twenty points that day at Auckland against the Scots (including two tries), so cemented his place in the team against the Springboks – although he was concussed and carted off after 10 minutes in the first test at Christchurch, and replaced by Brian McKechnie. Rollerson played all of that series against the Springboks at no. 10, scoring a try in the first, a drop goal in the third (after 101 missed attempts throughout the series!), and managed to niggle his marker, Naas Botha at every possible occasion.
        
        Ask me the scores when the All Blacks played last year – couldn’t do it. But I can remember everything about that 1981 series. I was 14 at the time, I lived and breathed rugby, and would have been heart-broken if the tour hadn’t gone ahead, just as older rugby fans can remember everything about the 1956 or 1965 Springboks, or the 1959 or 1971 Lions.
        
        In hindsight and with a few more years perspective? Well, stopping it wouldn’t have changed apartheid one bit, and Muldoon had a point that anarchy shouldn’t triumph over New Zealand democracy and law and order. But it didn’t do a hell of a lot of good for rugby, and a few years later, while playing in a rugby team that included nearly every nationality in the South Pacific, it made you stop and think when you realised that if we were in South Africa…you most likely would be in a segregated team. So when the 1985 All Black tour to South Africa was cancelled, I wasn’t too disappointed. And I couldn’t be bothered getting excited about the Cavaliers in 1986.
        
        Oh, yes, and David Halligan joined a select few like Greg Denholm and Ross Fraser who were picked, but never played for the All Blacks.
        
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        February 15, 2017 8:37pm
- dad4justice
  
  The masonics mapped out Christchurch the city the furtherest away from Bethlehem. Got the idea now?
  
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  February 15, 2017 7:27pm
- Fletch
  
  That’s where The Wizard lives, isn’t it?
  
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  February 15, 2017 7:29pm
  - dad4justice
    
    The name Christchurch is a mockery of Jesus Christ the place will face the wrath and so it should!!
    
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    February 15, 2017 7:34pm
    - nasska
      
      They didn’t take the hint when the earthquakes hit Dad. What do you think the Almighty has planned for the next wake up call?
      
      As a layman may I suggest you book a bus ticket out of town the day the rivers boil & frogs rain from the sky. 🙂
      
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      February 15, 2017 7:50pm
      - dad4justice
        
        Hi Hillbilly all the Canterbury rivers are polluted and the frogs disappeared years ago. You should see what’s under the old Cathedral, goats heads everywhere. Christchurch is doomed. Bring it on the sooner the better.
        
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        February 15, 2017 7:55pm
    - realityczech
      
      Christchurch is a hotbed of godless sodomites bound for hell.
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:03pm
    - realityczech
      
      “goats heads everywhere”
      
      Goat raping is a mainstay of Christchurch’s old boy network.
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:05pm
All_on_Red

Washington Post called out on having Native Advertisiing aka propaganda, from Russia and being deep in fake news.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/15/tucker-to-washington-post-media-reporter-see-as-political-hack.html
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February 15, 2017 6:44pm
burt

This is the result of record cannabis busts last year.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/national/89380875/Half-price-methamphetamine-ex-addicts-determined-to-put-drug-use-back-in-the-spotlight/

P easier to score than weed – epic enforcement fail.
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February 15, 2017 6:51pm
Happychappy

Well I wonder whether the pissed parrot from Labour will back up the perpetrator of the Huntly hate and abuse rant that happened last weekend. Now that TV Three have produced a interview claiming that she has Mental health problems and has been crying out for some one to help as no body cared you can bet your bottom dollar that the Labour leader will run with what has been said and blame National for this germs problem.
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February 15, 2017 7:14pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Mental problems works well for Muslims, should be a shoo in for tangata whenua
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:06pm
RF

I’m down in Christchurch. What a bloody scary mess. I am staying near the Port Hills and I believe we are in deep shit. Smoke and flames everywhere.

I see Gerry booted the Rural Fire chief to one side today after he sat on his hands and claimed the fires are under control. Now a state of emergency. 4 more homes destroyed….

Not a squeak from the labour Mayor. Typical.

Get me out of here. This city is fucked.
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February 15, 2017 7:48pm
- nasska
  
  You’ve left it too late RF. The writing was on the wall years ago when the arrests for sex with goats & donkeys started to pile up.
  
  It’s the Village of the Damned! 🙂
  
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  February 15, 2017 7:55pm
  - RF
    
    I have sinned nasska. Will you forgive me.
    
    I am prepare to bring a nice virgin yearling goat to the table.
    
    Of course on the understanding I can watch.
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:37pm
- dad4justice
  
  Our mayor LIEanne DalzEEL is a slippery two faced parasite. The city of Christchurch is one fucked up place. Gerry fats Brownlee is another utter disgrace to the human race. I hope they both rot in hell!!
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:09pm
  - realityczech
    
    Yes they elected a Dyke as the mayor of their fallen city of the doomed. Then they wonder why the disasters keep coming.
    
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    February 15, 2017 8:23pm
    - nasska
      
      The Godaddled took their eyes off the ball & Satan took over Christchurch.
      
      I’ll see if I can find magic spell that will help the poor gullible buggers. 🙂
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:27pm
    - dad4justice
      
      Before the dyke we had Bob each way Parker and Helen’s Peter infested Hagley Park. What a disgrace!
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:29pm
      - realityczech
        
        They could try throwing all the perverts into the flames and joining in prayer, if they want to save the city. The fires have raged for 3 days and are getting bigger, fueled by the winds of sin.
        
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        February 15, 2017 8:42pm
      - RF
        
        D4j. As my TV has broken down I need entertainment. Can you suggest something…. maybe with an animal or should I seek advice from Johnboy.
        
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        February 15, 2017 8:52pm
    - Brigitte
      
      No, they avoided a disaster. It could have been John Minto as mayor.
      
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      February 15, 2017 8:47pm
- rangitoto
  
  She did go on Larry Williams tonight – does that play down there?
  
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  February 15, 2017 8:49pm
Captain Mainwaring

Still no Penny.
Still no Hugh.
Where could they be?
And what about the long-lost Morrissey?
The mind boggles.
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February 15, 2017 8:45pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Doesn’t Hugh Pavelitch reside in ChCh?.
  
  He might have more important things to be worrying about than a daily posting to KB.
  
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  February 15, 2017 10:06pm
fernglas

Captain M
The previously verbally incontinent Ms Bright got a good kicking from an Associate Judge who knocked out her defamation claim against the Council. The Judge asked for memo’s about costs, which Ms Bright will be liable to pay, and unfortunately if you don’t pay Court ordered costs you can be bankrupted PDQ. With the Council’s costs and the outstanding rates demand, she must be in peril of losing her house. The words “wounds” and “licking” come to mind
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February 15, 2017 9:23pm
Manolo

Shape up or…
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mike-flynn-is-first-casualty-of-turmoil-in-trump-administration-1487121454
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February 16, 2017 5:53am
Manolo

Lovingly trendy:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/ny-fashion-week-hijabs-top-looks-fit-royalty-064725444.html
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