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Manolo

Wasn’t Paris a dream come true?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/paris-riots-fuel-french-presidential-campaign-rhetoric-1486994091

Stone-throwing rioters, smashed storefronts and burning vehicles have become a nightly ritual across Paris’s banlieues, the belt of downtrodden suburbs that surrounds the manicured capital. Police detained 21 people, many of them minors, late Sunday as rioting continued for the seventh straight night.
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February 14, 2017 8:01am
- cmm
  
  And this is in winter.
  
  Imagine what it is going to be in summer!
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:44am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    election coming up, will only push politics to the right.
    
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    February 14, 2017 1:29pm
virtualmark

The fourth in an occasional series of great quotes from US Presidents.

Richard Nixon, standing at the foot of the Great Wall of China in February 1972.

”What is most important is that we have an open world. As we look at this Wall we do not want walls of any kind between people. I think one of the results of our trip, we hope, may be that the walls that are erected, whether they are physical walls like this or whether they are other walls, ideology or philosophy, will not divide peoples in the world; that peoples, regardless of their differences and backgrounds and their philosophies, will have an opportunity to communicate with each other, to know each other, and to share with each other those particular endeavours that will mean peaceful progress in the years ahead.”
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February 14, 2017 8:03am
- Kimbo
  
  “What did dhey teach you dhat dhere school today? Dhat Marco Polo discovered China?! Marco Polo didn’t discover no China. Richard Nixon – he done discovered China!”
  
  (Archie Bunker)
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:12am
  - Biscuit
    
    That’s a tad harsh, Kimbo.
    
    Nixon re-opened China to the American people and those lines were very likely addressed AT the American people.
    
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    February 14, 2017 11:16am
    - Kimbo
      
      Well, Mao did quip to Nixon, when they first met in Peking in 1972, “I voted for you in your last election” ?
      
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      February 14, 2017 1:34pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Some more of the exchange between Nixon, Kissenger, Chou Enlai and Mao. The latter may have been a bloodthirsty tyrant who deliberately and/or by incompetence cut the short the lives of some 50 million of his countrymen…but on the bright side, he did have a self-deprecating sense of humour:
        
        Dr. Kissinger: I used to assign the Chairman’s collective writings to my classes at Harvard.
        
        Chairman Mao: Those writings of mine aren’t anything. There is nothing instructive in what I wrote.
        
        (Looking toward the photographers) Now they are trying to interrupt our meeting, our order here.
        
        President Nixon: The Chairman’s writings moved a nation and have changed the world.
        
        Chairman Mao: I haven’t been able to change it. I’ve only been able to change a few places in the vicinity of Peking.
        
        Our common old friend, Generalissimo Chiang Kai-shek, doesn’t approve of this. He calls us communist bandits. He recently issued a speech. Have you seen it?
        
        President Nixon: Chiang Kai-shek calls the Chairman a bandit. What does the Chairman call Chiang Kai-shek?
        
        Prime Minister Chou: Generally speaking we call them Chiang Kai-shek’s clique. In the newspapers sometimes we call him a bandit; we are also called bandits in turn. Anyway, we abuse each other.
        
        Chairman Mao: Actually, the history of our friendship with him is much longer than the history of your friendship with him.
        
        President Nixon: Yes, I know.
        
        Chairman Mao: We two must not monopolize the whole show. It won’t do if we don’t let Dr. Kissinger have a say. You have been famous about your trips to China.
        
        Dr. Kissinger: It was the President who set the direction and worked out the plan.
        
        President Nixon: He is a very wise assistant to say it that way. (Mao and Chou laugh.)
        
        Chairman Mao: He is praising you, saying you are clever in doing so.
        
        President Nixon: He doesn’t look like a secret agent. He is the only man in captivity who could go to Paris 12 times and Peking once and no one knew it, except possibly a couple of pretty girls. (Chou laughs.)
        
        Dr. Kissinger: They didn’t know it; I used it as a cover.
        
        Chairman Mao: In Paris?
        
        President Nixon: Anyone who uses pretty girls as a cover must be the greatest diplomat of all time.
        
        Chairman Mao: So your girls are very often made use of?
        
        President Nixon: His girls, not mine. It would get me into great trouble if I used girls as a cover.
        
        Prime Minister Chou: (laughs) Especially during elections. (Kissinger laughs.)
        
        http://china.usc.edu/mao-zedong-meets-richard-nixon-february-21-1972
        
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        February 14, 2017 1:56pm
      - Biscuit
        
        Yep, Kimbo…
        
        I (still) have a copy of Nixon’s Memoirs – a great read.
        
        Apart from his teensy weensy error in not just throwing his burglars to the wolves on Day One I really reckon he was the best President I’ve yet lived through – Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush Snr, Clinton the Male (heh heh), Bush Jnr, Obama and now Trump are all WAY inferior in my judgement.
        
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        February 14, 2017 1:59pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Likewise on RN’s memoirs – although it is a bit unnerving whenever he lapses into the third person! “Richard Nixon is made of the finest tempered steel”! John Ehrlichman, who was his domestic affairs advisor and spent time in the slammer over the Ellberg psychiatrist and also (I think) the Watergate break-in had it right when he said Nixon was the strangest man to ever occupy the Whitehouse.
        
        Conrad Black’s tome on Nixon is good too – but, while rightly praising Nixon for the opening to China, he criticises both Nixon and Kissenger for slobbering and over-praising Mao and Chou when they met in person. Also gives good insights, that Nixon omitted, on how Kissenger used to undermine his boss in petty self-serving ways.
        
        The “problem” with the burglars was that they were connected to John Mitchell, who was weighed down by the problems with his wife, Martha. Nixon had it right – he was not a good butcher, and waited too long before discarding Mitchell, Haldeman and Ehrlichman.
        
        Mind you, Nixon foolishly listening to Kissenger on the (impossible) requirement of a leak-free administration on the morning after the Pentagon Papers were first published in 1971 was the thing that first set the plumbers into motion…
        
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        February 14, 2017 2:08pm
mandk

Labour third amongst working class voters in the UK:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/13/labour-now-third-popular-party-among-working-class-voters-poll/

Would it really be all that different if a poll was taken here?

I suspect a lot of Labour Party grandees wouldn’t recognise someone from the working class, even if they came to unblock their drains.
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February 14, 2017 8:05am
- Manolo
  
  Hold on, Labour can still count on the votes of staunch unionists like our mikenmild. 😀
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:08am
  - mandk
    
    mikenmild, that horny-handed son of toil?
    
    Thanks for making me chuckle, Manolo.
    
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    February 14, 2017 8:12am
  - cmm
    
    The problem with trying to luvvie up to splinter groups is that it is not additive. Every time you add a splinter group then you annoy the others that don’t feel so special any more. You end up only appealing to people who are in all the splinter groups.
    
    If you try to give special treatment to people in state houses and gays then you end up appealing to only gay people living in state houses. ie. a splinter group within a splinter group.
    
    The way Labour is going, the only vote they can count on is Georgina Beyer (unless of course Mana comes back from the grave).
    
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    February 14, 2017 8:19am
- G152
  
  If they’ve come to clear a blocked drain they wont be a liebor voter.
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:21am
oldpark

Who would have believed it. An alleged person of integrity has sold out his principles,joining Willie Jackson,to satisfy the trade union appointed Angry Andy Little. The alleged person of integrity Greg O’conn, standing for Lie-bour in Ohariu, once supported the Police to be armed totally. Now for a possible fist full of dollars ,in a taxpayer funded trough by sitting in Parliament ,O’conn dosn’t think that is such a good idea after all..
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February 14, 2017 8:08am
- RF
  
  Gott in Himmel.
  
  Is this true ? I understood he supported arming.
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:50am
  - holysheet
    
    Its always different when the lefties to it.
    
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    February 14, 2017 10:01am
    - Biscuit
      
      Who cares WHAT they say.
      
      Remember that any leftist butt that sits on the Treasury benches after the September election is gonna need both Green and Winston First butts sitting alongside him or her.
      
      In that scenario, no policy espoused by ANY of those three parties can said to be set in stone. All three (at least) parties will have to formulate a common plan, heh heh, that quite likely few of their individual voters will be too happy with…
      
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      February 14, 2017 11:20am
cmm

Dear Gabby be my Valentine.

We compliment each other perfectly.
Be the ying to my yang.
Be the bludging to my tax paying.
Be the irrationality to my logic.

Have a wonderful day!

Hearts, choccies and roses

Yours forever, cmm
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February 14, 2017 8:12am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Just be warned CMM, Gabby likes it rough, 50 shades rough and have plenty of penicillin in stock.
  
  Good Luck
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:29am
  - Happychappy
    
    I wonder if I will be able to under stand the message that it sends to me.
    
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    February 14, 2017 8:34am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Quickly sink a doz woody’s and get blazed and you’ll be sweet HC
      
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      February 14, 2017 8:58am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Happychappy, we all know Gabby is sweet on you. She always singles you out with her silliest barbed comments. ?
      
      Sorry cmm!
      
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      February 14, 2017 9:27am
      - cmm
        
        Bugger. My heart is broken. Off to bed for commiseration.
        
        I listed the choccies and roses on Trademe. $1 reserve. Might need to cut that to 50c.
        
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        February 14, 2017 10:29am
  - cmm
    
    Hey thats my sweet Gabby you’re talking about.
    
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    February 14, 2017 9:19am
- Gabby
  
  Raoses oar redd
  Vollets oar bliuw
  Mandela’s ah commeee
  End cmmie ease tiuw.
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:38pm
wiseowl

Nick Smith on moaning report continues the hands over ears approach over housing.
I can’t see the demand side.I can’t see our policy of letting 70,000 immigrants into New Zealand (or what was New Zealand) is having any effect on housing at all.
I can’t hear the people telling their representatives that mass immigration is having a huge flow on effect with lack of infrastructure, forcing down wages and spitting kiwis out the back door at an alarming rate.

The UN will be proud of us.
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February 14, 2017 8:13am
- PhilBest
  
  And on the other hand, the “supply of housing” side, if you wanted to do the mass-immigration thing with some integrity, there are regulatory regimes under which housing supply will be elastic enough that mass immigration and population growth would merely provide economies of scale at constant (or even reducing) prices.
  
  There are US cities growing twice as fast as Auckland, with house price median multiples stable at around 3. One of the reasons they are growing so fast, is the attraction of the affordable housing, not just for a significant number of immigrants, but young Americans bailing out of the unaffordable cities.
  
  The multiplier effects on local economies, from building LOTS of housing, and putting in LOTS of new infrastructure, paid for over time by the tax contributions of the new residents, are considerable.
  
  We like to kid ourselves that Texans, for example, are ignorant rednecks and it is us, the Europeans and the coastal liberals in the USA who are sophisticated and smart. The more I learn, the more the evidence points the other way. There is such a thing as basic common sense, which beats academic, up-its-own-arse, virtue-signalling values systems hands down every time.
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:26am
  - wiseowl
    
    I think a better approach has been very well explained by Mike Reddell in the past.
    I support his more reasoned, well thought out, balanced approach to immigration and thus the effects on our economy.
    It’s the denial and the total lack of discussion from the government that really gets me.
    
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    February 14, 2017 8:47am
    - PhilBest
      
      But he understands the role of urban planning and the distortions it can create. You can have almost no growth at all and still have unaffordable housing.
      
      I am not supporting mass immigration, I just say we must not regard that as “the solution” and ignore distortions on the supply of land side.
      
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      February 14, 2017 9:08am
  - rangitoto
    
    We don’t want affordable housing. The more expensive it is, the less likely scum will want to come here.
    
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    February 14, 2017 10:43am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    You need to invest in big wide roads if you want cities to be able to grow with affordable housing. Gridlock sees many people taking 60-90 minutes to reach the CBD from the edge of Auckland now.
    
    Auckland needs some big road tunnels to increase traffic capacity
    
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    February 14, 2017 1:37pm
- Nigel Kearney
  
  Immigrants need houses. They also need food and clothing. But there is no food and clothing shortage. There are three main reasons for the difference:
  
  1. It’s easier to produce or import more food and clothing than to build more houses.
  2. People are not investing in food and clothing – buying more than they need for their personal use.
  3. The government (central and local) does not use regulations to obstruct increases in the supply of food and clothes.
  
  To blame immigration is to say that reason 1 is far more important than reasons 2 and 3. But I don’t buy that. This issue has been around for a while, much longer than the time it takes to build new houses. Supply would have corrected itself by now if reason 1 was dominant.
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:39am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    People don’t buy more clothes than they need for their personal use?
    
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    February 14, 2017 4:44pm
- howitis
  
  A Huge part of the Auckland problem is that Auckland Council was formed by Notional/ACT in 2010. It was rushed. You can’t make that big a cock up without intending to.
  
  Prior to this hideous conglomeration the four main Councils (West, South, Central, North) were run reasonably well and Councillors/Management understood about debt and income and that each new house would provide rates (income) every year. They were in some equilibrium with their community. They also watched debt.
  
  Then along came the abortion that is Auckland Council.
  They stopped allowing new houses to be built.
  Remember -this Hydra was formed 1 Nov 2010. The GFC had eased by then.
  They killed housing consent and filled the revenue shortfall with Debt. The predecessor councils had run up $3 billion in debt over more than 100 years.
  Auckland Council ran up an additional $3 billion Debt in 3 more years and this was used to employ more staff(instead of the reduction that was falsely promised) while services were contracted out from the old (pre 1990) model eg Roading, footpaths, rubbish collection etc.
  There s not a lot that 21st century council staff actually DO.
  Auckland Council could be run on under 4000 staff.
  
  The Notional Govt has allowed the immigration to run wild and NZ is No 5 choice for ‘education’.
  To make up numbers the Notional Govt allowed ‘citizenship’ as a carrot to attract and it is an alternative immigration path from less than desirable countries.
  
  The reduced attractiveness of Australia as a place to live (substantially reduced access to benefits) has been known about since 2001. Australia has been a safety valve for the NZ economy since the 1950s.
  NZ has recession at least once every 10 years and they can be prolonged.
  Australia has not had one for 26 years.
  
  It is just shithouse management from Notional, Smith included.
  
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  February 14, 2017 12:04pm
Manolo

Measuring world misery:
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/misery-index-cato-institute-2016-1?r=US&IR=T

A nation’s ‘misery’ can be calculated by summing unemployment, inflation, and bank lending rates, minus real GDP’s percentage change.

Over the past year, Venezuela’s misery has skyrocketed.
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February 14, 2017 8:18am
- cmm
  
  Measuring GDP in Venezueala is broken.
  
  They have multiple exchange rates. The “official” exchange rate that is used for the GDP, government wage stats and can be used to import limited amounts of goods is 10 bolivar / USD. That makes the Venezeulan very highly paid compared to the rest of South America.
  
  However only small amounts of goods are available at those prices.
  
  The “real” effective exchange rate is the black market rate of 4000 bolivar/USD. That means the Venezeulan only earns 1/400th of what the government says they do.
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:30am
Happychappy

Why are we having campaigns to stop Domestic Violence and then in the next breath try to pass a bill to reward by creating ten days of payment for workers on the receiving end of this crime. I don’t beat my wife or children and I in know way agree with it but what we are doing is paying for people to put up with it knowing that their is money coming in and giving time to make up with the perpetrator. This wont stop Domestic Violence the only thing that will is to get away from the people dishing it out.
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February 14, 2017 8:29am
- cmm
  
  That’s a bit like the tongue in cheek suggestion that I made about schooling:
  
  We all know (from what the luvvies tell us) that poverty causes poor performance in school. Therefore it is really easy to identify the families who are having the worst of poverty: they are the kids performing worst at school.
  
  So let’s fix this. Give $1000 per month to the family of the kid who’s doing worst in the class.
  
  After a month or two the extra money will help that kid do better at school, then the family won’t need that $1000 any more and the next worst-kid-in class can get it.
  
  This will lift the kids performance like a sky rocket by focusing on the most need.
  
  It is so simple. What can possibly go wrong?
  
  It is way too easy to turn an allowance/compensation into an incentive. We do it with single mothers, we do it with people getting sore backs. And now, it seems, we’re doing it with domestic violence!
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:41am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Instead how about pay parents and children a cash bonus based on performance in some externally set test every 3-6 months. Say 30% to kid and 70% to parents. Bet that would work better than almost any other educational reform you could name.
    
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    February 14, 2017 1:44pm
Tarquin North

I see the Greens are standing aside in Ohariu to give Labours latest union lacky abetter chance. Surely this is dirty politics, or is it different when the left do it? The other funny thing is how quickly Labour and the Greens are prepared to sell out their principles in order to recruit the likes of Jackson and O’Connor. God help us if they ever get elected.
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February 14, 2017 8:33am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  This comes barely a week after the dreadful duo announced that they wouldn’t be doing deals like this.
  Can we trust them at their word?
  Nah.
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:02am
  - RF
    
    But but but… it’s ok when the left do it.
    
    Silly boy Pike.
    
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    February 14, 2017 9:06am
  - Happychappy
    
    They have obviously done a poll after the Willie Jackson vs Poto Williams ego trip and found out that Labour has taken a large set back so are trying to rectify the situation with the Glamour boy image of Greg O’Connor. You have to wonder what is going through Stuart Nash thoughts with Ex Police Union Boss likely to aquire the Portfolio’s that Nash holds.
    
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    February 14, 2017 9:31am
- PhilBest
  
  There is an item in the DomPost this morning on three promising young women who will be standing for the Greens in the future.
  
  The common motivator for them, is “opposing nationalism”, Brexit and Trump is what has made them think of going into politics. And the Greens are their chosen vehicle.
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:12am
  - chris
    
    It got posted on Stuff here http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/89268635/i-couldnt-work-for-mccully-any-longer-greens-add-three-more-highprofile-names-to-books
    
    They’re being slammed in the comments section because it’s been subtitled “Greens add three more high-profile names to books” and these women are anything but high profile.
    
    I have to hand it to the Greens though: they’re very smart at capturing the overseas votes by playing on the environmental thing. Best comment on that page so far was this one:
    
    I love expats voting in accordance with their green conscience when they will not suffer any of the financial consequences (e.g. carbon taxes, compliance costs) and contribute nothing in the way of taxes. Meanwhile they happily live in the likes of the UK, an economy that was founded on fossil fuels and which, for example, still only generates 25% of electricity from renewables as opposed to New Zealand’s 80+%.
    
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    February 14, 2017 10:46am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Three high profile names no one have ever heard of 😎
      
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      February 14, 2017 11:37am
  - rangitoto
    
    Turkeys voting for Christmas
    
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    February 14, 2017 11:00am
  - Komata
    
    PB
    Re: ‘The common motivator for them, is “opposing nationalism”…’
    
    Really?? Are these ones for real? Sadly, the phrase ‘Turkey’s Voting for Christmas’ comes immediately to mind.
    
    Given what is happening overseas, I would hypothesise that they are Uni students or grads who think that it is ‘so cool’ to vote for the destruction of their own nation.
    
    They evidently haven’t read the Gweens manifesto…
    
    Snowflakes in NZ; who would have thought…
    
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    February 14, 2017 12:08pm
- cmm
  
  This is based on the very thin supposition that Greens are vote splitting with Labour.
  
  Maybe that is true as Labour lurches more into Green country, but I really can’t see the traditional Labour voter voting for a Greenie.
  
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  February 14, 2017 11:55am
Paulus

I see the Proletariat in the US are screaming that they have not yet become millionaires as Trump promised before the election and want to know when this will happen, preferably in the next few days –
Obammer did the same thing in 2008 and what did he do – sweet FA, in fact they proles were worse off at the end of his reign.
Obammer is using huge money, not his own new huge wealth, to foment unrest wherever he can against Trump aided of course by the Clinton Clan. The Clan now includes Soros via Chelsea Clinton into the family by marriage.
It is reported that who lost over a billion on the election backing Clinton.
It is believe that Obummer may have suborned some $400 million before he left the White House for this purpose.
Where has this money gone if this is factual ?
Has any President or former President ever been in arranged under corruption charges ?
Just asking.
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February 14, 2017 8:35am
- Pateke
  
  You are as mad as a snake, Paulus if you believe this stuff.
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:05am
  - Lance
    
    Too much BreitBart can damage your brain I am afraid.
    Fact free zones with utter bullshit to support the claims is the new norm in the USA.
    
    Silly old me thought that all it took was to stand by your principles and tell the truth. Not anymore it seems.
    I used to think this was the domain of the lefties, illogical crap backed by non-facts. Alas the disease has spread
    
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    February 14, 2017 12:28pm
Happychappy

Can you imagine if Donald Trump decided that all people entering the USA could not drive on American Roads without sitting a road rules test.
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February 14, 2017 8:39am
- holysheet
  
  it would instantly stop all those immigrants who cannot drive, and all others from the worlds shitholes.
  Imagine the horror going through their feeble minds. What if I get there and have to resort to using a goat as transport for my bomb?
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:49am
Andrei

Something to ponder
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February 14, 2017 8:41am
- fernglas
  
  The Americans are facing the opposite way to the Germans? Is that your point?
  
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  February 14, 2017 8:50am
- mandk
  
  Oh, I get it.
  
  Germans are more health and safety conscious than the Americans cos they are wearing their helmets.
  
  That’s correct, isn’t it?
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:11am
dime

umm ACT! are supporting some godawful law when employers will be FORCED to dish out 10 days paid leave to victims of domestic abuse?

Does that include mental abuse?

What if the missus says bad things to some snowflake? every other month..

I thought ACT! had libertarian leanings?

now i dont know who the f*ck im gonna vote for
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February 14, 2017 9:09am
- waikatogirl
  
  This proposed law for abuse victims is just an extension of an entitlement already in place. If you are a victim of abuse, your sick leave covers required time off to recover.
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:43am
Inandout

Soper in his old age is finally talking sense, this murdering Zimbabwean gate crasher Nduku should be sent packing. If Woodhouse fails on this one then he should resign, along with the Immigration drones who let the murderer in. A Zimbabwean caller to Leighton’s show said that Nduku is ‘talking bullshit’, and that Nduku is here to track down ex-Zimbabweans in NZ; interesting theory.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11799926
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February 14, 2017 9:11am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Nduku should be welcomed with open arms. The terrorist-hugger Deborah Manning’s looking after him don’t you know?
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:20am
- Jack5
  
  Woodhouse should resign any way.
  
  NZ’s Immigration Service is in chaos. Look at the way it’s been actively promoting to young Indians shonky NZ education courses as a backdoor to New Zealand citizenship.
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:26am
  - Inandout
    
    Take a good look at Woodhouse, he is a timid man, who despite his rugby background, doesn’t exude confidence. Judith Collins by contrast would be an ideal Minister of Immigration.
    
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    February 14, 2017 9:35am
  - GazzaW
    
    I’m not entirely convinced that the tentacles of corruption exist only in India. High time for an audit of the entire operation.
    
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    February 14, 2017 9:43am
- godruelf
  
  I guess this is another good reason why South Africans now require to get visas to come to NZ. Excellent idea despite the moaning and retaliation from the South African Govt.
  
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  February 14, 2017 11:41am
Manolo

There is money to be made, but will feminists protest against this expression of “progress”?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/debenhams-hijab-muslim-clothing-women-uk-department-store-religion-a7575306.html

Debenhams is set to become the first major UK department store to sell hijabs as part of a new range of Muslim clothing.

The chain store will introduce the new line in its flagship Oxford Street branch, before being rolled out to its Birmingham’s Bullring, Westfield in Shepherd’s Bush, Manchester’s Trafford Centre and Leicester’s Highcross Shopping Centre outlets.
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February 14, 2017 9:11am
- MCos
  
  Which side of the fence do you stand on?
  
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  February 14, 2017 10:17am
Jack5

China’s banksters move to tie New Zealand to Beijing with chains of gold.

And some of these people are New Zealanders, even former prominent politicians now receiving pay for sitting on boards of Chinese banks.

Proverbs 22:7 – The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.

Time for an NZ Trump!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11799766
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February 14, 2017 9:19am
- stephieboy
  
  Jack5 ,
  
  “Time for a NZ Trump” ?
  
  Nominations ?
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:50am
  - MCos
    
    Bishop Brian!
    He could host any foreign leaders that might still come here at his ‘church’ and send the bill to the taxpayers.
    
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    February 14, 2017 11:17am
    - Lance
      
      And use made up ‘facts’ to support his actions.
      
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      February 14, 2017 12:31pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Sir Robert Jones, you stupid boy
    
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    February 14, 2017 6:08pm
stephieboy

Alec Baldwin’s Donald Trump impersonation fools Dominican newspaper

El Nacional mistakenly publishes a photo of the actor in a blond wig above the caption: ‘Donald Trump, president of the USA’

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/12/alec-baldwins-donald-trump-impersonation-fools-dominican-newspaper

Understandably easy to do. We await Infowars and Wahle Oil etc to do same .
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February 14, 2017 9:47am
- realityczech
  
  It demonstrates how deeply ignorant Trump haters are doesn’t it ?
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:51am
MrTips

Some Valentines Day fun from Nature Publishing group….
http://www.nature.com/articles/srep40871
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February 14, 2017 9:50am
- holysheet
  
  I read that article. I have concluded that it is a racist rant. There was no mention of how goats select their human partners.
  These moslem men who use goats for their valentine pleasure would be complaining to Dame Devoid if it was in a NZ rag like the Herald.
  Oh the shame, our desires are being ignored.
  
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  February 14, 2017 10:13am
flipper

Douglas E. Schoen has served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton. He has more than 30 years experience as a pollster and political consultant. He is also a Fox News contributor and co-host of “Fox News Insiders” Sundays on Fox News Channel at 7 pm ET. He is the author of 13 books. His latest is “Putin’s Master Plan” (Encounter Books, September 27, 2016). Follow Doug on Twitter @DouglasESchoen

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/13/dirty-secret-smart-democrats-know-but-wont-admit-about-trump.html?cmpid=NL_morninghl
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February 14, 2017 9:55am
Inandout

Boy Wonder Trudeau hits the wall named reality:

http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5321858596001/?#sp=show-clips
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February 14, 2017 10:11am
- stephieboy
  
  The boy wonder pertinently pointed out at their meeting that both countries depended and benefited from free trade where thousands of middle class and blue collar workers depended on both sides of the border .
  
  Tariffs would ruin most of those jobs .
  
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  February 14, 2017 10:29am
  - Inandout
    
    Trump will play the boy like a fiddle; just watch.
    
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    February 14, 2017 10:52am
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , go on . I’m watching !
      
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      February 14, 2017 2:04pm
      - Inandout
        
        Watch very carefully then, and don’t avert your eyes to the honey pots.
        
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        February 14, 2017 2:58pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        Think BUSINESS wise. Trump is good at what he does. Trudeau is a pawn. Trump’s wall, he may well make Canada and Mexico pay for it.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
        
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        February 14, 2017 6:27pm
- Gabby
  
  Chump’s pussygrabber handshake doesn’t work on Canadians.
  
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  February 14, 2017 6:21pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    That’s coz Canadians have no sense of humour – same as you Gabby
    
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    February 14, 2017 6:29pm
    - Gabby
      
      Canadians know you don’t shake hands with your own dick – unlike you Steeve.
      
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      February 14, 2017 8:18pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Thats okay because Trudeaus half Cuban, he wishes he can come to America too
    
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    February 14, 2017 7:05pm
Manolo

The MSM hacks cry foul:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/13/mainstream-media-whines-trump-calls-less-establish/
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February 14, 2017 10:35am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Washington Times is one of the better MSM organisations out there. Never to be confused with WaPo.
  
  This is gold however, they just have no sense of shame:
  
  “By handpicking reporters, Trump manages to get through a news conference without being asked about Flynn,” New York Times reporter Peter Baker lamented on Twitter – failing to mention that all U.S. presidents handpick reporters.
  
  Bloomberg’s Angela Greiling Keane helped him clarify.
  “By *handpicking* friendly reporters. To be fair, the previous WH also handpicked reporters. But it was very different than this,” she tweeted.
  
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  February 14, 2017 11:54am
rangitoto

Trudeau now one of Trump’s lackey’s

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/831214091993751552/photo/1
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February 14, 2017 11:17am
- Inandout
  
  Looking at the replies to Trump’s tweets there are some nasty and childlike Demos out there, and almost certainly they still live with Mum.
  
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  February 14, 2017 3:04pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout ,and Trump has very nasty Jew haters etc ,
    
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuweEKpWAAANsiU.jpg
    
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    February 14, 2017 3:32pm
Biscuit

Cheapskate? Moi?

Roses are red
I know that they’re nice.
These are carnations,
They’re half the price
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February 14, 2017 11:23am
- Komata
  
  Biscuit @11.23
  
  Cheapskate? No, realistic, although I don’t think the final line would ‘romantically’ help your case to any great degree…
  
  (Just saying).
  
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  February 14, 2017 12:22pm
  - Biscuit
    
    I like to live dangerously, Komata.
    
    Not so dangerously, mind, as to offer carnations on the day of the year when roses are de rigueur, ha…
    
    One year, many years back, I got my belle du jour 11 roses rather than the usual (boring) dozen…
    
    The florist was beside herself, hehe heh, and even got me to to initial the 11 on my order form lest she cop any blame for the ‘shortfall’…
    
    The belle du jour never noticed…
    
    Mind, about the only things I take real care to count these days are oysters on my plate. Those things are EXPENSIVE and I want every last one I pay for!
    
    Another Valentine’s Day rhyme for y’all:
    
    Roses are red.
    Violets are blue.
    Sunflowers are yellow.
    I bet you were expecting something romantic but no these are just gardening facts.
    
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    February 14, 2017 1:24pm
- pdm
  
  `Cheapskate moi’.
  
  Always from what I hear. lol.
  
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  February 14, 2017 1:04pm
  - Biscuit
    
    Sniff, pdm, and also (if you look at your email from me today) time-confused, too!
    
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    February 14, 2017 1:19pm
Manolo

Greece’s debt haunts Europe:
Political instability in Europe is widening yield spreads and revamping fears over debt sustainability across the region, leading to speculation that the European Central Bank will need to continue with its ultra-loose monetary policy.

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/13/debt-crisis-20-worries-return-to-europe-as-ecb-could-be-forced-to-continue-with-stimulus.html
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February 14, 2017 11:29am
MickMac

500m now??
That seems right allowing for the Islamists and Jihadis.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4219154/Some-Muslims-support-carry-terror-attacks.html
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February 14, 2017 11:43am
Manolo

Lambie plays hardball with a barbarian’s supporter:
Jacqui Lambie and a Muslim youth leader clashed in a fiery yelling match on Q&A after the independent senator called for all supporters of Sharia Law to be deported.

Following a question about migration, Ms Lambie said Australia should follow Donald Trump’s example and kick out all Muslims who supported the Islamic tradition.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4219528/Jacqui-Lambie-says-Sharia-Law-Muslims-deported.html#ixzz4Ybnvsapo
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February 14, 2017 11:56am
- mandk
  
  Can’t wait for someone from Labour or the Greens to argue that Muslim communities in NZ should be allowed to practice Sharia Law.
  
  That would stuff their electoral chances in 2017, 2020 and 2023, but only if the Nats say: Never, nowhere, not under any circumstances.
  
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  February 14, 2017 2:16pm
  - Kimbo
    
    But Muslim communities do practice aspects of Sharia already – there are halal butchers, and Muslims schools, just as there are Protestant and Catholic schools. And just as with Christians with their ecclesiastical courts – synods, presbyteries, sessions and vestries, etc, Muslims are allowed to govern their own social and religious affairs…as long as it does not break the law of the land or impinge on the freedom of others.
    
    But yeah, the line should not be moved any further. And burqas should be made illegal in public, for security, not religious reasons.
    
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    February 14, 2017 2:28pm
Right of way is Way of Right

I’ve been keeping a low profile of late, as I try to reconcile my right of centre political leanings with the three ring circus that has just set up shop in the Oval Office.

I guess my disconnect revolves around the fact that in NZ, the Right of Spectrum political party is more centrist and pragmatic, while the Left of Spectrum party is NZ is driven less by common sense and more by a death grip on a failed ideology.

In the US, the opposite appears to be true.

So, I have to realistically describe myself as a true pragmatist rather than an ideologue. Comes from making an informed judgement based on the presentation of verifiable facts. Sadly, in the world of the internet, and the 24/7 news networks, and where the news has to be first as opposed to accurate, it’s getting harder and harder to be a pragmatist.

We the sheeple?
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February 14, 2017 12:27pm
Manolo

In all its ~~glory~~ gory:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/13/black-lives-matter-leader-white-people-are-sub-human/

The co-founder of Black Lives Matter’s Toronto chapter believes white people are “recessive genetic defects” and sub-human.

Yusra Khogali wrote on Facebook that “Whiteness is not humxness” and that “white skin is sub-humxn,” according to The Toronto Sun. (Khogali intentionally misspells “human” in order to eliminate “man” from the word, a common practice among left-wing feminists.) She goes on to say that white people are “recessive genetic defects” who “need white supremacy to protect their survival as a people.”
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February 14, 2017 12:34pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  Another common trait among left wing feminists is being an insufferable cunt.
  
  I note they don’t report that.
  
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  February 14, 2017 12:43pm
- Right of way is Way of Right
  
  “But…but…everyone’s racist but ME!”
  
  Much as I hate to pour water on her alternative world view, surely if she was correct, my ancestors would have been imported as slaves by their ancestors?
  
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  February 14, 2017 12:59pm
cha

Lady boner.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4lQBoDWQAAyE_G.jpg
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February 14, 2017 1:24pm
Tauhei Notts

Some native outfit is reported in the Rotorua Post as needing Maori History to be compulsory at schools.
My hobby is 19th century New Zealand books, the sort of stuff published before our history got sanitised.
Suggestion for the native outfit; forget it. There are too many exceedingly ugly parts to Maori History up to the 19th century. Let’s not remind ourselves of it, and just move on into the 21st century. Okay, European history has its ugly parts, but they are pretty compared to our country’s very early history.
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February 14, 2017 1:36pm
- VicParking
  
  Between Maori history, Maori language, Maori customs and how not to be a misandrist or a misogynist will schools have any time left to teach English, Maths or Science.
  
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  February 14, 2017 2:38pm
- Komata
  
  Tauhei Notts
  
  But, but, it DIDN’T happen: There WAS no cannibalism, there WAS no constant warfare , there WERE no slaves, etc. etc., and if you remember back in the 70’s various Maori radicals (Donna Awatere comes to mind) were busy rewriting history and preparing to send us us all back to our ancestoral homelands (while conveniently overlooking their own white genes).
  
  By all means let Maori History be taught, BUT as it was in all its raw and unpleasant detail , not as the sanitised and totally mythical ‘Golden Age’ which they like to believe was the case.
  
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  February 14, 2017 3:30pm
Manolo

Feminists’ hysteria:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/more-divisive-than-trump/

Often, the tone words are delivered in is equally, if not more important, than the words themselves. It’s hardly surprising, then, that the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg has been criticised for her haughty questioning at the White House press conference last Friday. It speaks volumes both about the war between the sexes and elitist media.
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February 14, 2017 2:09pm
Manolo

Only five of the sixteen Muslim countries that do not allow Israeli citizens are on Trump’s temporary ban list:
Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Oman, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Yemen.

Where is the outrage from the Left?
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February 14, 2017 2:42pm
- Komata
  
  Manaol
  
  Outrage? Surely Sir, you jest. Israel is the ENEMY, the UN has said so.
  
  No outrage, just cheers when the Israeli’s fail.
  
  It’s called a ;loaded /stacked’ deck BTW, and the Israeli peoples are very, very aware of it, which is why they are preparing to leave the UN.
  
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  February 14, 2017 3:33pm
- rangitoto
  
  Some of them don’t even allow entry if you have an Israel entry stamp in your passport. I read that in the case of Iraq, the Kurdistan region have no problems with Israeli passports or stamps.
  
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  February 14, 2017 3:51pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Israel has stopped stamping passports for this reason.
    
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    February 14, 2017 4:26pm
Manolo

White trash met his maker:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/wife-stepson-charged-in-murder-of-kkk-imperial-wizard/ar-AAmU99T?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

The wife and stepson of a Ku Klux Klan leader who was found dead over the weekend were charged with murder Monday, according to authorities.

Malissa Ancona, 44, and her son Paul Edward Jinkerson Jr., 24, were both charged with murder in the first degree, tampering with evidence and abandoning a corpse, the Park Hills Daily Journal reported.
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February 14, 2017 2:52pm
- cha
  
  Underneath those robes Frank’s just another good ol’ Christian boy, honest.
  
  Ancona describes his Klan as a Christian organization and a fraternal order.
  
  “The only things secret about the Klan are that our rituals and ceremonies are only for members to see,” he said. “That’s part of the mystique of being a member.”
  
  He says his Klan is not a hate group: “How can you be a Christian organization and hate other people?
  
  http://www.kansascity.com/news/special-reports/domestic-terrorism/article19361271.html
  
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  February 14, 2017 3:17pm
  - Inandout
    
    Good old Democrat no doubt. They were pissed off when slavery was abolished.
    
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    February 14, 2017 5:52pm
- stephieboy
  
  “Manolo, power struggle within the Klan ?
  
  ‘He says his Klan is not a hate group: “How can you be a Christian organization and hate other people?”
  
  Alt right ” Christians” would struggle with that one .
  
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  February 14, 2017 3:20pm
  - Manolo
    
    Who knows? But nobody could regret the demise of that p.o.s.
    
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    February 14, 2017 3:22pm
Manolo

Good on the Trump administration for detaining and deporting criminals:
U.S. immigration officers have arrested more than 680 people in recent operations, 75% of whom have criminal records, the homeland security chief said on Monday of actions that have alarmed immigrant rights groups.

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary John Kelly said the operations were routine and consistent with regular operations carried out by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/over-680-arrested-in-us-immigration-raids-homeland-security-secretary/ar-AAmU3RB?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout
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February 14, 2017 3:42pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Trump needs to send all the “legal” Mexican and other Third World colourfuls back too, or at the very least strip them and their descendants of citizenship and voting rights.
  
  This would restore liberal democracy to the USA, as the Cultural Marxist project to reduce white America to a Brazilified multicultural favela would be destroyed once and for all.
  
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  February 14, 2017 3:51pm
- cha
  
  But but, terror scarf…..
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4lsy-wWMAAAhEd.jpg
  
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  February 14, 2017 4:30pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

The Left showing their true hatred for our liberal democratic country, built by whites:

Twitter:

“takatāpui pal huri –

Happy ‘Captain Cook Was Killed’ Day <3 <3 <3."

This degenerate Commie savage describes itself as:

"takatāpui communist cry baby // poly witch // Ko Ngai Tuhoe, Ngati Porou, Rongowhakaata, Ngati Tuwharetoa, Tainui, Te Ati Haunui-a-Paparangi te iwi// they/them.""

It makes you realise why Germany went Fascist – someone had to deal to those degenerate Left commies.
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February 14, 2017 3:58pm
- Gabby
  
  Happy Jizzymitts Threw a Spazz Day.
  
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  February 14, 2017 5:48pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Don’t you have to go make a lot of phone calls to all your recent MtM sex partners and inform them you have tested positive for HIV?
    
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    February 14, 2017 6:39pm
    - Gabby
      
      No.
      
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      February 14, 2017 8:14pm
Happychappy

Andrew Little got a lesson on what and who the weak Leader is in Parliamentary Question time today when he asked Bill English to debate the housing crisis. Bill English owned the inept fool and the more questions he asked the bigger fool the angry Leader looked, this weak leader theme from little will come back to haunt this idiot if he continues to play this silly game.
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February 14, 2017 3:59pm
stigie

Yep Happychappy, i reckon he’s batting away Angry Little easier than John Key did. It really must piss them off to know that he can shear sheep with the best in the world !~
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February 14, 2017 4:35pm
- Gabby
  
  Bingles can fleece the voter with the ponyest in the world!~
  
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  February 14, 2017 5:44pm
CrazyIvan

Michael Flynn gone as national security adviser, after only three weeks. Appears he mislead both the President and Vice President as to what he said to the Russians.

Kelly-Ann Conway was on earlier in the day that Flynn had the full confidence of the President. That’s a bit like football clubs saying they have full confidence in a manager moments before sacking them…

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/13/trumps-national-security-adviser-michael-flynn-resigns.html
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February 14, 2017 5:22pm
- fernglas
  
  It’s interesting how silent Trump has been since the revelations first broke in the Washington Post. One of the problems with talking a lot is that if you suddenly dry up, it looks like you have nothing to say.
  
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  February 14, 2017 5:41pm
  - CrazyIvan
    
    The silence indicated that Flynn was in deep trouble. Interesting on Fox’s Special Report that the view was no matter what a staffer says to the media (that includes Spicer and Conway), you really need to wait for Trump to speak to know what’s really going to happen.
    
    In this case, his silence was telling.
    
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    February 14, 2017 5:43pm
    - Inandout
      
      Trump will be furious and he will have said ‘You are fired’ very convincingly. His team will settle in soon enough.
      
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      February 14, 2017 5:55pm
Tom Barker

I’m afraid I can’t see The Trump Show being renewed for a second season. In fact I think the lead may soon be recast in an effort to improve sagging ratings.
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February 14, 2017 5:56pm
- Inandout
  
  The Trump Show plays out in public. The Obama Show was covered carefully by compliant public servants.
  
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  February 14, 2017 6:14pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I will put your prediction in the file box as the other ones – “Brexit will NEVER happen!” and “LOL, Trump win the election?, no way!”.
  
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  February 14, 2017 6:33pm
Manolo

How high can its shares go?
https://www.ft.com/content/9775f054-edaa-11e6-930f-061b01e23655

Apple valued at $700bn as shares close at record high.
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February 14, 2017 6:52pm
- starboard
  
  Buy some “ATM” shares Manolo…A2 Milk.
  Hat tip from the starboard. Retire early.
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:37pm
AgentBallSack

The shit hits the fan in Europe.

The hoi polloi are afraid.

‘Spectre of fear’ falls over Europe: poll

This crisis of fear was the product of decades of economic, social and technological change, she said.

In economic terms, whole communities had stagnated or fallen behind.

Others had been left behind by a growing political consensus on social liberalism, Gaston said.

“Some people just don’t feel comfortable with the changes such as cultural diversity, some people feel there has been too much focus on the rights or privileges of certain groups at the expense of others”.

They felt that most political leaders no longer represented their concerns.

There were regional differences – in Spain, for example, entrenched social liberalism and the historical legacy of the Franco regime meant populism had largely been driven from the hard left.

And Poland remained strongly pro-European despite the election of a far-right populist government, with national security concerns more influential than economics.

The French case study was the most concerning, Gaston said.

“It is the most febrile, pessimistic, fearful mood, it seems the most deep-seated and it is very difficult to see how we could transform things in France,” she said. “These problems seem to be so deeply embedded that it could probably take a generation to transform the mood in France in any fundamental way.”
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February 14, 2017 6:56pm
- Scott
  
  Well what France needs to do is believe in France again. Defend its borders and enforce its laws within the French mainland. Those people who live there need to become French. Or else be sent home.
  That’s just for a start. After that there may have to be mass deportations. I don’t say that lightly. The alternatives are two- fight for your country or surrender.
  France needs to become France and reassert itself.
  
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  February 14, 2017 7:45pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Um, make France Great again??
    They need a LEADER Scotty, you are on track, but Europe is not
    
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    February 14, 2017 8:03pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    It is not long until the French presidential election, which will be held on 23 April 2017.
    
    Patience…
    
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    February 14, 2017 9:19pm
Captain Mainwaring

What’s gone wrong with today?
No Trevor-impersonator.
No Hugh Pavletich the retired ‘property expert’.
No Penny the rates-dodging lunatic.
Only intermittent appearances from Stupidboy and the Gobster to represent the escapees from the asylum.
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February 14, 2017 8:27pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Dear Captain,
  
  If you have a box of matches, I can supply the chalk and five black candles. 😉
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:16pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  It’s Valentine’s Day.
  They’ve been with their loved ones.
  
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  February 14, 2017 9:17pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    What a cute thought, Maggy!
    
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    February 14, 2017 9:21pm
nasska

Insanity is believing that your hallucinations are real.

Religion involves believing that other people’s hallucinations are real
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February 14, 2017 8:44pm
stigie

Haha fucking brilliant Nasska ole chap !~
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February 14, 2017 10:15pm
Inandout

I saw a movie entitled ‘Hitler-A Career’ made in 1977, but with a massive amount of film clips from his early life right through. Described as-

‘This meticuously assembled fim dissects the Third Reich with a keen analytical blade, charting Hitler’s improbable rise, his mastery of imagery and crowd psychology, and his consummate skill in exploiting the weakness in others’.

Disregarding Cuba and North Korea, such blind fanaticism for one entity on such a huge scale has not been seen before in human history. What did strike me though is what Merkel has unleashed on Germany the past two years, introducing a cult with all the hallmarks of Nazism. Blind obedience, planned breeding, lack of humanity, despising non cult members and quick to use violence. Hitler could see in Islam all he admired and one suspects Merkel has similar feelings. Any German group which starts an overt Nazi party will be (rightly so) squashed by the authorities. Yet an equally evil cult is allowed to openly exist, and is even protected and encouraged by the government. Radical Muslims are the new Brown Shirts, goading Jews to the point they are leaving Germany in numbers. History tells us Germany will see bloodshed in the very near future, nothing can be surer.
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