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kowtow

Delighted there were no more whale strandings last night.
Sick to death of the over the top ridiculous “news” coverage. They can now move back to more important things , like how racist we New Zealanders are, due to the actions of one rude Maori.
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February 13, 2017 8:04am
- EAD
  
  @ Kowtow,
  
  When paying attention to the news coverage of the rescue efforts, one could not help but notice that pretty much every single altruistic volunteer giving up their own time was white
  
  But this “reality we witnessed with our own eyes” had to be drowned out by the MSM in case anyone noticed this “hate fact”.
  
  Cue, over the top coverage of 2 Maori who turned up to perform a Maori Prayer as it “was important to him because of the spiritual and ancestral connection he has to the whales”
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/watch-volunteer-performs-stirring-sombre-maori-chant-paying-homage-whales-re-floated-golden-bay
  
  This whole, “Maori being spiritual guardians of our nation” is just nauseating sh*t – surely people can’t actually take this seriously despite the non stop propaganda.
  
  If they were really Guardians of nature, they would be down there helping out the rescuers rather than seeking publicity and making sure they get exclusive rights to the whale carcasses to strip bare as is their “culture”.
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:24am
  - cmm
    
    Ask the Moa how that guardianship went.
    
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    February 13, 2017 8:35am
    - EAD
      
      @ cmm,
      
      I repeatedly point the hate fact of the disappearance of the Moa to the fantasists but they have never let facts get in the way of the “narrative” (White Man = evil, anyone but White man = spiritual noble savage)
      
      And what bl**dy connection do Maori have to Whales? The only animals they were technologically capable of hunting were dumb flightless birds like Moa and they had no animal husbandry skills. They could catch fish in shallow river beds with baskets and spears but that was about it.
      
      Most likely never knew what a Whale was until European Whalers showed and up and (regrettably) killed them in huge numbers.
      
      How they had a “spiritual connection” to a mammal they did not know existed baffles me :)…… actually it doesn’t….the more “spiritual” the connection the more “koha”
      
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      February 13, 2017 8:52am
      - PhilBest
        
        If they encountered whales at all, they would have been the cause of legends about monsters etc. Mind you this is not unique to Maori either, in human history.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:22am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        EAD, your racially motivated rant overlooks the fact that until Cook released Pigs into Aotearoa New Zealnd there were no suitable animals to domesticate for breeding apart from the dog.
        
        BTW the Paelothic era in Europe and elsewhere saw numerous species hunted to extinction including the Mammoth.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:36am
      - GoVege
        
        Yes there was SB…homo sapiens!
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:53am
      - GoVege
        
        AKA “long pork”.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:56am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @stephieboy
        
        Ever wondered why our Polynesian settlers didn’t bring chooks and piggies with them on their waka?
        They were brought to Tonga, Cooks, etc.
        
        http://rsos.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/3/8/160258
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:10am
      - cmm
        
        Whales would have stranded often (more than they do now) and would thus have been a reasonable source of much needed protein – along with seals etc.
        
        Of course Maori would have seen whales close up. Southern Right whales come close inshore as do sperm whales and others.
        
        If one is to believe the stats on various websites, there was a population of around 100k Maori when the whites turned up.
        
        That means there was plenty of grub available from the sea.
        
        Moa must have tasted pretty great to make it worth all the effort hunting them to extinction.
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:17am
      - simpleton1
        
        In the first two centuries of settlement, Māori were more often seal hunters than moa hunters. There is evidence of extensive sealing in the far north, Coromandel, Taranaki, Cook Strait, the Canterbury coast and the south from Waitaki to Fiordland. However, by the 1700s seals were confined to the far south.
        
        http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/sealing/page-1
        
        So the seals had phased out of the North Island and much of the South Island by the maoris to the more hidden and difficult areas of NZ to access. After all they were pretty good to eat, “far more tender and juicy” to beef steak.
        The Europeans with better boats and for trade continued the push back on seals.
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:28am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @cmm
        
        That means there was plenty of grub available from the sea.
        
        read the link I posted to stephieboy.
        
        Looks like Maori weren’t doing too well for food in some locations when Europeans turned up.
        
        Fishing was often a seasonal activity…. so long periods without much food was the pattern for some.
        All the easy grub had been killed off within 200 years of first arrivals.
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:53am
      - Fletch
        
        Probably getting most of their Gaia spirituality from Avatar movie.
        
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        February 13, 2017 11:18am
      - BeeSting
        
        The Australian Emu Should really just be let loose in
        NZ and allowed to develop naturally back to the what the NZ moa was.
        
        Emu’s are Fantastic Animals – Seen them in OZ
        
        The Male takes care of the Chicks
        
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        February 13, 2017 11:24am
    - Liberty
      
      Now the Canterbury plains have been turned into productive farms.
      and is no longer a barren wasteland.
      It would have been very inconvenient to have Moa’s roaming around in mass.
      It would have been just a another gravy train the eco academics to suck off.
      
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      February 13, 2017 2:55pm
  - Longknives
    
    Everybody conveniently forgets that as the self-appointed ‘Guardians of the Land and Sea’ Maori actually want exclusive rights to slaughter Whales!
    Once the howling and wailing and ‘blessings’ are over some fat Maori guy will turn up with a chainsaw and a fag hanging out his mouth..
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:23am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Being unlicensed in the unregistered, unWoFable, uninsured, uninsurable 4 x 4 with no tread tyres and a screwdriver for a key, bro’!
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:43am
    - RF
      
      That phoney white Maori Steven O’Regan once said that he needs to eat whale meat on a regular basis just like his ancestors.
      
      I guess he means the odd one washed up on the beach and stinking to high heaven.
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:57am
      - pdm
        
        Mmmmmm – I grew up in a predominately Maori Settlement near the coast but cannot ever recall hearing of `pirau’ whale. Crayfish yes, corn yes and saw plenty of eels hung on fences but never whale.
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:39am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @pdm
      
      Whale meat consumption by Maori did take place once whaling stations were established around the coast.
      Here’s one report of eating dried whale meat at Te Kaha. (boxed article)
      http://www.teara.govt.nz/en/whaling/page-4
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:59am
      - pdm
        
        Dried is different to pirau Maggy.
        
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        February 13, 2017 12:09pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @pdm
        
        Yeah, I don’t know of Maori eating putrid/rancid/fermented whalemeat…. (or any meat), unlike Icelanders/Greenlanders etc that eat rotten shark and rancid blubber
        http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/icelandic-cuisine-hakarl-iceland-fermented-shark.html
        
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        February 13, 2017 12:27pm
  - trout
    
    There may be an underlying reason for this. Local Maori probably welcomed whale strandings in the distant past because it was free food.
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:12am
- MCos
  
  I’m not exactly sure what you wanted to lead the local news. The PM didn’t open a tractor factory, although he did shear a sheep & go to the big gay out and tie himself in knots explaining why he now supports gay marrriage. Hardly headline news.
  There were no riots, mass murders, terrorist attacks, raging bush fires, accusations of rampant voter fraud . . . . .
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:24am
  - Scott
    
    Yes it appears to be compulsory for the Prime Minister to go to the big gay out. Why that is so for a supposedly conservative Catholic politician is a mystery to me?
    
    Why can’t we have one politician on the right who has the guts of their convictions? Who decides not to attend the big gay out. Who stands up for traditional marriage, actual marriage. How come we can’t have diversity of opinion in this country?
    
    Here is my prediction. Bill English is in trouble in the next election. He has no real convictions apart from wanting to get on with people and be a nice fellow. Well he is a nice fellow but that won’t save him. All labour has to do is to have a moderately presentable leader who has a modicum of social skills and they will shoo in. It pains me to say it because I would much rather have national than labour. But I believe the sad fact of the matter is that Bill just doesn’t have it. He didn’t have it last time he ran as leader of the National party and sadly he does not have it now.
    
    National’s only hope is that Andy will lead Labour in the next election. Andy could never inspire the confidence of the good people of New Plymouth and was instrumental in turning New Plymouth from a marginal seat to a safe National seat. One can only hope he does a similar job with the whole New Zealand electorate.
    
    But sadly National has no convictions apart from going along with a leftist agenda, just more prosperously than the opposition.
    
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    February 13, 2017 8:31am
    - waikatogirl
      
      Bill is just working the crowd like he would for any huge potential voter pool for National, and the ‘Pink $’ is great for the economy.
      
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      February 13, 2017 8:47am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      At least English can acknowledge the gay brigade without going in to bat for them. That will endear him to the vast majority.
      Don’t worry scott, he will exceed your expectations.
      
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      February 13, 2017 8:50am
    - holysheet
      
      from yesterday
      
      What you are forgetting is the total collapse of the liabore vote. There is a core of dumbarse people who will always vote for liabore for what ever reason. 15% would be about the number. With such a useless leader in Angry, there is no way this can be increased. If his own caucus won’t vote for the useless prick, why would any of the other 20-30% vote for Liabore?
      That leaves them with no one to vote for, so they will decide to stay home come election day.
      I predict a very low turn out in September. Here’s hoping it pisses down with rain as well.
      
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      February 13, 2017 8:51am
      - VicParking
        
        I can see were they get the first 5% (unemployables) and the second 5% (retired Labour stalwalts) but can someone explan were that third 5% comes from to make up 15%. Can’t be unionists as there is only a couple of thousand of them left in NZ at best.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:26am
      - sooty
        
        The greens become the leading oppersition party.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:26am
      - holysheet
        
        I was being generous in my estimates Vic
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:41am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Greens won’t be major opposition party. NZF will be. The majority of people I know who are switching votes from either party are going to Winnie.
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:14am
      - GoVege
        
        Vic: that other 5% would be people who can remember the bad old days..or allusions to them.
        When young girls were dying of DIY abortions or forced to give up their babies for adoption.
        When kids went into orphanages if their dad ran off with the proceeds of the “family home”, which was always in the husbands name.
        When women couldn’t buy a house without a male guarantor.
        When the police never attended for domestic violence, unless the woman was killed, and even then the man usually only got a few years jail.
        The idiots with short memories vote National.
        
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        February 13, 2017 12:32pm
    - PhilBest
      
      “National has no convictions apart from going along with a leftist agenda”.
      
      I keep saying something like this. The Helen Clark program for NZ continued unabated from 2008 onwards; even legislation she hadn’t got round to yet, gay marriage and emissions trading. Nothing was wound back; not the housing supply crisis (red tape), not anti-smacking, not WFF, not logging on the west coast, not the Air Force, not proper mining.
      
      On Treaty of Waitangi and Maori separatism, National has tried to out-do Helen, trying to curry favour with Maori by portraying Helen as the mean, nasty Pakeha imperialist who wouldn’t give them the foreshore and seabed, the fish, the water, the radio spectrum, fee-extraction powers over all development, and whatever next.
      
      National have made an art-form out of virtue-signalling, being “even PC-er than thou”, and winning the approval of media talking heads and lefty elites. NZ-ers have been under an illusion since 2008, that Labour “lost” at that time, which is no more true than that the French under Vichy government from 1940, could pretend they “hadn’t lost” to the Germans. I know Kimbo dislikes this analogy, and I welcome it if anyone can come up with a better one.
      
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      February 13, 2017 8:55am
      - EAD
        
        @ Phil Best,
        
        as I keep telling you, stop perpetuating that there is some massive ideological battle going on between a “left” faction vs. a “right” faction over the future of the country
        
        They’re all the same mate, moving us in the same Consumerist, rootless, Globalist direction just at slightly different speeds and slightly different paths.
        
        “Democracy” as practised in the West is a sham – how is that all of the West is being deliberately marched into the same Orwellian nightmare where our historic identity and nations are systematically erased yet all you can discuss is minor differences over tax rates and slight changes in political views along a left-right continuim?
        
        https://alterorbisworld.wordpress.com/2017/02/11/shooting-niagara-whig-style/
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:06am
      - Scott
        
        Totally agree Phil. I noticed that at the gay marriage select committee. It was headed up by Ruth Dyson (Labour), the legislation was sponsored by Louisa Wall (Labour) and Kevin Hague (Greens).
        The select committee had 3 representatives from National, no names who were barely engaged apart from one supposed Christian who was for it. So gay marriage got through under the watch of the National government.
        Anti-smacking has not been touched by this supposedly conservative government.
        The only remotely right of centre thing they have done, where they have stood against the elites liberal media, is a tepid toe in the water with charter schools. And I would bet dollars to donuts that will be immediately reversed by a Labour government.
        
        Here is a clue for National. Brexit and Trump show that there is a move to the right. There is an unrepresented electorate out there that is sick of political correctness, wants to take their country back, is proud of their past and is tired of constant overturning of everything that they hold dear. It is time for a politician that will for instance, stand and fight the media for the leftist lapdogs that they are.
        
        Trump is that person in the United States. It would be great to have a person that has those convictions here in New Zealand.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:26am
      - PhilBest
        
        When I use the spectrum of left and right, I have communists, fascists, crony capitalists and global elites on the left, including G Soros, the Rockefellers, and everything they fund.
        
        The solutions are to be found on the “right” represented by Adam Smith, Edmund Burke, Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan, etc. All these people would have been clear about genuine economic freedom, political freedom, and values worth preserving.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:27am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      The Prime Minister represents all New Zealanders.
      As he stated at the Big Gay out, he attends lots of gatherings, meets and greets all types of NZers and listens to their concerns.
      
      Doesn’t mean he has to jump in bed with each and everyone he meets.
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:06am
      - KevinH
        
        Bill looked quite relaxed at the Big Gay Out and his reception wasn’t marred by any crazy dildo throwers. He handled himself well and the public seemed to enjoy his visit.
        
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        February 13, 2017 11:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott ,the news this morning suggests to the contary that the PM regards himself as a social conservative who voted against civil unions and gay marriage and there were various reason why he did not attend the big Gay out.
      
      However his more socially conservative stance surely must be music to many religious groups including of course certain Christians and Muslims.
      
      As for the alt right and Trumpists forming a credible party is entirely another thing which remains at this time just a joke .
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:46am
      - Manolo
        
        …music to many religious groups including of course certain Christians and Muslims.
        
        As a devout and pious Muslim, do you include yourself among them, stephieboy?
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:48am
    - MCos
      
      “He has no real convictions apart from wanting to get on with people and be a nice fellow.”
      Worked just fine for John Key
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:47am
    - Happychappy
      
      Oh didn’t he pat your bum Scott or whisper in your ear. Bill English is not there to pat and pander he has a Country to run and is doing a bloody fine job of it even if some like you don’t like it.
      
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      February 13, 2017 11:24am
  - kowtow
    
    “Hardly headline news.”
    
    Really? Our media make headlines of almost literally everything a foreign head of govt does, Trump . So why not cover the U turns that Bill is engaging in ,obviously on the advice of minders , in order to appeal to the “punters” and remain electable?
    
    There’s a huge story there.
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:11am
  - Komata
    
    MCCos
    Re: ‘There were no riots, mass murders, terrorist attacks, raging bush fires, accusations of rampant voter fraud . . . . .’
    
    i agree, there were absolutely none, BUT, that is why we have the MSM: to remind us of the ‘Possibility’ that such things could have happened (and indeed, if they wait long enough possibly even MIGHT happen); especially after they’ve sat down and used their imaginations…
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:52am
- Komata
  
  But, but, ‘Maori’ AREN’T racist!! Delahunty, Devoy et al have told us that repeatedly (and don’t ask Hone), so now the media and their friends (and particularly Delahunty; who started the whole thing and is now noticeably very quiet BTW), are having to turn themselves inside out to somehow enforce the narrative.
  
  It’s fun to watch..
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:43am
- Paulus
  
  But don’t Maori lay claim to stranded dead whales ?
  Why are they not cleaning the dead ones up ?
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:45pm
- realityczech
  
  The strandings were a call to every anti-white /anti-modern technology/anti-everything nut job to start screaming about oil exploration and promoting their communist manifesto.
  
  It bought out the worst in people and shows we need a Trump here in NZ urgently !
  
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  February 13, 2017 5:30pm
oldpark

Another trade union carpet bagger standing for Ohariu. Seems Little’s puppet masters are pulling the strings,more and more. Other than disruption,wonder what type of service can the trade union carpet bagger give to hard working voters in Ohariu.
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February 13, 2017 8:05am
- fernglas
  
  Given the opposition, from a silly old man in a bowtie, I would say Ohariu is going to be a very interesting seat.
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:08am
  - RF
    
    Unofficial polling amongst Police on an internal Facebook site will be a dissapointment for Greg. Whilst they respect the man they question his party choice and the vast majority give it the thumbs down.
    
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    February 13, 2017 8:53am
    - fernglas
      
      That’s why it always surprised me he went with Labour. Politically he has some very right wing ideas, and the Police Association is hardly a bastion of cloth cap socialism. I guess it all came down to who gave him the best offer; it certainly wouldn’t have come from Mana
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:02am
      - RF
        
        Family has strong Labour history. That’s the only reason I can think of. That said I hear he is being treated with suspicion within the ranks as he is another Little import.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:38am
    - Longknives
      
      Not overly surprising RF- In my experience Police aren’t exactly huge fans of the Greens..
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:42am
      - Gabby
        
        Odd, because the greens aren’t out burgling houses.
        
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        February 13, 2017 12:04pm
      - GoVege
        
        That’s true LK.
        I know a cop who tells me they refer to Greenies as “tree-huggers” in the force.
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:12pm
- VicParking
  
  At this rate there will be nobody LEFT to run the unions as they will all be in Parliment troughing it up.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:29am
- peterwn
  
  Perhaps the best way to dislodge Peter Dunne is to let Greg have the seat for three years. Peter will be gone and it will go to National in 2020.
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:12am
Tauhei Notts

Weather warning on the West Coast.
Apparently Hokitika, like Stephieboy’s goat, could get four inches today.
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February 13, 2017 8:06am
- cmm
  
  Some might even blow over to Christchurch.
  
  The weather that is…
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:38am
- Huevon
  
  Allahu Akbar!!
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:49am
Inandout

Garner Breakfast raved that the Huntly episode was a ‘racist attack’, then wheeled on a scarfed Muslim woman. Garner tried his best to goad the woman into linking Trump with the attack, but her media training obviously taught her to dodge that one. I switched to Choice after that.
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February 13, 2017 8:08am
- mandk
  
  I’m a Christian, so if someone abuses me that’s a racist attack, right?
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:14am
  - PhilBest
    
    Yep, media talking heads regularly mocking Brian Tamaki and his followers, are racists, we need to point this out to them.
    
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    February 13, 2017 8:19am
  - Inandout
    
    Not according to the ‘Broadcasters Guide to Correct Reporting’. Only whites can be racist, but in the case of the Huntly woman for reporting purposes, she is an ‘honourary white’.
    
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    February 13, 2017 8:19am
    - PhilBest
      
      So true! The guy who shot Trayvon Martin was a Hispanic, in a minority-majority community living under constant fear of violent crime, but the media made him an honorary white closet opportunist KKK black-lyncher.
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:00am
  - Longknives
    
    I got abused and challenged to a fight by a drunk Maori Guy outside Countdown a few years ago.
    Called me a “Pakeha Cunt with a flash car” after I politely refused to give him money..
    If only I had the foresight to film this on my cellphone- Surely this ‘Racist Attack’ would be headline news right??
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:28am
    - fernglas
      
      It has to have some novelty to get on the news.
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:34am
    - Gabby
      
      There’s nothing flash about your car.
      
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      February 13, 2017 12:06pm
    - Northland Wahine
      
      Longknives, I’ve been called by clients… a white bitch, a black bitch, (im seriously pale) a dumb bitch, a know it all bitch, a cold bitch, an interfering bitch and a fat bitch. One day, one day! someone might call me a skinny bitch and my title will be complete.
      
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      February 13, 2017 1:56pm
      - BeeSting
        
        SKINNY BITCH
        
        there you go feel better now
        
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        February 14, 2017 1:14am
    - GoVege
      
      You’re obviously not being polite enough, Longknives.
      I frequently decline to give Maori beggars money, but none has ever abused me to date.
      In fact just today I couldn’t find any coins for one.
      That magic word “sorry” goes a long way to soothing hurt feelings.
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:21pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Lots of rather pointless silly games going on here among the squawking alt right this morning ?
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:49am
  - Komata
    
    mandk
    
    No, no, no, you’re ‘ONLY’ a Christian and have absolutely no novelty value whatsoever, whereas if you are from ‘overseas’, wear unusual clothing, have a non-kiwi accent, and have filmed everything that ‘insults’ you then you are definitely worthy of attention, while IF you are a muslim then even better, since you hate Christians anyway.
    
    Such is the quality of media reporting in NZ .
    
    (Turkey’s,; Christmas anyone?)
    
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    February 13, 2017 11:00am
    - GoVege
      
      How about us atheists?
      I am constantly abused by Christians for my non-religious stance.
      Mr GoVege is one of the worst offenders.
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:23pm
- pdm
  
  Why watch that breakfast drivel at all.
  
  The on switch on our TV doesn’t usually work until mrspdm wants to watch Emmerdale.
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:17am
  - Biscuit
    
    Agreed, pdm…
    
    Though we have no ‘Emmerdale’ watchers here either!
    
    My better half’s vice is that wee lane in Manchester which, by my count, has had 15241253 deaths, 124312 murders, 5658 fires, 886 fatal vehicle crashes … and yet people STILL live there!
    
    My a.m. procedure is to check each of the following websites, in sequence:
    
    BBC News
    BBC Sport
    Kiwiblog
    Sydney Morning Herald
    and, just on the off-chance that something happened here of note
    Our own Horrid (yay, Max Key is BACK!)
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:17am
    - VicParking
      
      If you add the Daily Mail after the BBC you will have no need to read the failing newspaper as 90% of their “Horrid” articles are pinched from those two papers
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      Biscuit and co ,none of the more familiar to the alt right Breitbart , Fox ,Daily Mail Sleaze , Infowars ?
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:52am
      - Biscuit
        
        I’m a Centrist, stephieboy.
        
        The extremes never appealed – so I rarely visit The Stranded, eg, or sites like The Daily Mail…
        
        It may surprise you that I have even voted Labour twice in all the elections I’ve been eligible to vote in!
        
        Not this present mob, though – unions-pandering, Greens-co-habiting, the the-State-knows-best misfits…
        
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        February 13, 2017 11:36am
- PhilBest
  
  If NZ had remained a pristine Maori state run by and for Maori, untouched by imperialism or immigration – which the attitude of some of these aggro types display (our land, not yours) – why is that not “racism”?
  
  The same PC crowd that wants open borders in the first world today, regards the earlier phase of movement of peoples – white people into terra nullius – as breaching the rights of the indigenous!
  
  Political correctness is riddled with moral contradictions and hypocrisies like this. Its dumbed-down adherents are incapable of reason and logic.
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:17am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Since when has Muslim been a race? Therefore, whilst xenophobic and disgusting, this WASN’T racism.
  
  A pox though on all those politicians who practice xenophobia with their constant anti-immigrant tirades. Yeah, I’m talking about you Mr Peters.
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:47am
  - PhilBest
    
    I agree, and make this general argument myself, but this particular rant sounded to me like it wasn’t against Muslim immigrants, it was against all non-Maori (this is “our land”, etc). Glad to know if others heard something different.
    
    I have witnessed militant Maori acting like this towards Pakeha too. Provocatively trespassing on private property because “it is our land, that you stole, in the first place”.
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:04am
    - fernglas
      
      Expressing the belief that one’s own race is superior is as much racism as expressing the belief that another’s race is inferior.
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:51am
  - EAD
    
    A pox though on all those politicians who practice xenophobia with their constant anti-immigrant tirades
    
    @ Keeping Stock,
    
    If anyone speaks out against the negative aspects of this rapid transformation of our long settled country against our wishes is accused by the likes of you as being on a “tirade” then how are we supposed to address this existential issue?
    
    Judging by your over the top rhetoric, I guess you are in agreement with the MSM that these words were “crime that shocked the ~~Keeping Stock</~~ ~~nation”~~.
    
    Whilst disgusting, such over the top rhetoric from yourself and the MSM diminishes the serious issue of immigration and real crimes such as this:
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2354320/Taxi-driver-again-jailed-for-rape-after-retrial
    
    An HIV-positive taxi driver twice found guilty of raping a teenage female passenger was jailed for nine years today.
    
    Abdirazak Yussuf Mussa, 56, was originally found guilty in November 2007 of rape and abduction with intent to sexually violate and jailed for seven years.
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:20am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, and Vernon Bugden sentenced to nine years for a second strike offence for Rape whilst on Prison release ,
      
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/72770973/prison-inmate-vernon-bugden-raped-woman-while-on-release-to-work
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:00am
- RF
  
  I saw Garner in the flesh recently. He’s a bloody pigmy. All that noise from such a little squirt.
  
  Reminded me of Winnie.
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:58am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    SMS and I don’t mean messaging!
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:53am
  - MCos
    
    You might not agree with what a person says, but making fun of their physical attributes in that way is despicable.
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      MCos , regrettably the President of the US has set a new precedent and standard .
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:02am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Because he has small hands?
        Because they even wrote a song about that so it has to be Trumps fault.
        
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        February 13, 2017 11:05am
  - Manolo
    
    But much fatter! 😀
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:08am
Manolo

Lucky Canadians!
https://www.yahoo.com/news/asylum-seekers-fleeing-us-canada-brave-snow-extreme-131134936.html

It was a record number of arrivals for a single weekend in the small border town of Emerson, and Canadian officials said Thursday they are bracing for more.

US President Donald Trump’s controversial ban on refugees and nationals from seven Muslim-majority nations has prompted many who had hoped for a new life in the US to flee north.
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February 13, 2017 8:08am
- Rich Prick
  
  Any sign of Miley Cyrus, Whoopi Goldberg, Amy Schumer or Lena Dunham being among them? Or are they hanging about for Trump’s tax cuts?
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:47am
  - Komata
    
    RP
    
    Didn’t you hear: ‘They were only joking’?
    
    Being the practiced actors they were (and aware that the waiting MSM would devour their every word as soon as it was uttered; nay, even before that occurred) , these ‘famous’ thespians played their parts well; complete with fake tears and long soliloquies about how bad things were going to become.
    
    They then got paid and went home; the show was over and they were ‘Only joking’.
    
    Such is the way of the acting profession; it is ever thus.
    
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    February 13, 2017 11:09am
  - Fletch
    
    Lena Dunham recently being embarrassing on Maria Shriver’s show, using the ‘P’ word.
    
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/02/10/lena-dunham-asks-penis-live-today/
    
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    February 13, 2017 11:30am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      A female friend of mine asked me about a blog post she had written, whether it was funny or not.
      
      I told her to be funny as a female these days you have to “talk about your pussy a lot, be grosser than any male regarding bodily functions, and say fuck in every sentence”.
      
      I don’t think I missed anything out.
      
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      February 13, 2017 12:50pm
- holysheet
  
  I wasn’t aware they had such a big “swamp” in the US. Good unintended consequences in this case of draining the putrid swamp that is Washington.
  Nobody deliberately flees to a cold hole like Canada unless they are guilty of something.
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:47am
  - stephieboy
    
    holysheet , the US midwest and North East does not experience similar ? ,
    
    https://www.wunderground.com/news/winter-storm-iras-northwest-rockies-snow-ice
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:07am
Happychappy

When is the Media going to make a example of the Green Party and their MP for her” RACIAL” comment that was a lie and degrading agains’t Pakeha woman in Huntly.
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February 13, 2017 8:11am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Come now Chappy, we all look the same to Indians. Simple mistake to confuse Pakeha with Maori. And it was on the weekend so the Green MP couldn’t instantly tell the Guardian of our Flora and Fauna has no job.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:59am
- Komata
  
  Happychappy:
  
  In a word ‘Never’; it doesn’t fit the narrative old chap, it doesn’t fit the narrative.
  
  Yet if it had been a Nat MP, the faux outrage would be endless.
  
  The media ARE, of course, totally neutral in their reporting…
  
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  February 13, 2017 11:12am
kowtow

Scientific evidence based approach is best , yes?

Here’s an expert.

“If what they are doing — smoking cannabis plant — was great as a pain reliever, why are they still in front of us looking for pain-relief solutions?”

And

“I would want to see better evidence yet from some properly done trials.”

“Dr Jones expected many of his patients to become more vocal because of the publicity. ”

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/pain-relief-claims-questioned
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February 13, 2017 8:19am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I guess my fear about this demand for cannabis medication is that I might get tossed the stuff when I’m writhing in pain and needing a load of opiates.
  
  When I was having my first baby there seemed to be a fashion for labouring mothers to employ some electrical gadget to shock them when they were experiencing pain (TENS device). I wasn’t convinced as to the efficacy of such a thing and made sure that all & sundry were well aware that I wanted drugs that worked…
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:22am
- waikatogirl
  
  Maggy, perhaps using medical cannabis for pain relief is that they no longer care if their pain is horrendous. // ?
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:04pm
fernglas

I guess if someone is abused because they are of a different race from the abuser, it is racism, regardless of the faith of the victim.
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February 13, 2017 8:21am
- Lance
  
  Convenient way to always be right
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:25am
- PhilBest
  
  So when Maori abuse the current generation of Pakeha on the basis of historical grievances (actually the accused’s ancestors, and arguable anyway), that would be racism? Or if they accused early Christian missionaries of being fraudsters and con-men?
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:08am
  - fernglas
    
    Here is the OED definition of racism.
    ” The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races:”
    Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but in telling someone from another race, based on the fact that she was not a Maori, that she had no right to be here, the abuser was clearly being racist. There was clearly a belief that Maori had a superior claim to live here because of certain characteristics. My point is that racism can be directed at a belief that another race is inferior, but it can equally manifest itself in a belief that one’s own race is superior.
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:17am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      “…based on the fact that she was not a Maori…”
      
      How do you know this? The aggressor never mentioned any racial characteristics.
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:07am
      - fernglas
        
        “F… off, I don’t care if you were born here – you don’t have the right to be here, I was f…… born here, I own the f…… land; now get the f… off – you ugly f…… b…..”
        
        “I own the fucking land” seems to imply superior proprietary rights arising from tangata whenua status, in the context of the whole episode. Don’t you think?
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:46am
Simon

That was a Trump inspired racist attack in Huntly. Coal is killing the planet but the coal miners cant accept this and instead lash out at Muslims.

The bitterness of Huntly is being exploited by Trump as a counter bunch to Peter Dunne & the Greens. The Greens & Peter Dunne must worry Trump a lot.

Hunlty is the new Bavaria. It is very scary. NZ is on the balance. Only diversity can save NZ.
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February 13, 2017 8:24am
- PhilBest
  
  Sheesh, I wish somewhere in NZ was the new Bavaria, that’s where BMW’s come from, isn’t it?
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:09am
  - Biscuit
    
    And Oktoberfest, PhilBest…
    
    Though I bet the NZ Police would have heavy restrictions slapped on such an event HERE…
    
    Funny, isn’t it, I spent 3 days/nights at Oktoberfest once: 25382365446245 or so litres of beer swallowed, not ALL by me (and don’t start me on the buxom serving girls!) yet not a sign of trouble in the 3,000 or so crowd. Your average yoof-about-town puts away 2 litres of beer in a Wellington pub on Friday night and its MAYHEM…
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:21am
    - PhilBest
      
      The problem with “Syrian refugees” having a “sexual emergency” in crowds (eg celebrating New Year) obviously hasn’t reached Oktoberfest yet….
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:31am
Albert_Ross

I see my facebook is now full of rantings about the proposed new dam at Ruataniwha, but don’t propose to form an opinion based on facebook rantings. I do remember Whaleoil going on about the “dodgy socialist dam” some time ago, but I was getting sick and tired of Cameron by then so couldn’t be bothered to pay attention.

Can anybody provide, or provide a link to, a clear statement of the issue from a more reliable and objective source than either Forest & Bird or Whaleoil?
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February 13, 2017 8:35am
- All_on_Red
  
  Plenty of info on HB Today. Must agree with Slater though. The Dam won’t be good for the Tukituki River.
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:50am
  - Albert_Ross
    
    sorry – HB?
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:23am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Hawkes Bay Today. I think it’s a sister paper to Stuff, so probably in the links down the bottom.
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:02am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        thanks!
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:05am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        Not so ABS. Hawkes Bay Today is part of the Herald group.
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:06am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Mainwaring, that explains why they have a good article on it. Stuff is all regurgitated HuffPo, CNN and WaPo.
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:18am
  - Stuart
    
    I’m not convinced the dam would harm the Tuki.
    The dam would include ‘flushes’ of the river periodically to help remove algae etc, and a steady trickle to help the flow rate. This would be very little for 95% of the year, but in the height of summer at its lowest flow, could help.
    
    It would certainly help with water supply issues for CHB towns.
    
    I’m not convinced either way on it yet (especially whether it is economically viable), but I do wonder if some of our other dam’s or large projects received similar opposition at the time, but decades later people couldn’t image life without them.
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:16am
    - wiseowl
      
      There is no need for the dam.
      Submissions were made earlier that showed ample water was available in CHB that could be reticulated to users without building a dam.
      If you talk to the right people you find out there is an agenda with this project .
      
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      February 13, 2017 11:51am
- cmm
  
  We had similar issues with projects like this here in Canterbury. There are a few issues that come into play with these dams:
  
  1) Irrigation increases production so the farmers want it. They say it will make them more profitable as well as create jobs.
  
  2) Irrigation causes land use changes. It is expensive. That means traditional drylands style farming (sheep/beef) cannot afford the irrigation so it tends to move things over to intensification.
  
  3) They also want the councils to fund the exploration/proposals of these dams.
  
  4) There are knock on impacts of these dams which are generally negative (reduced water quality etc) and marginally beneficial (eg. maybe some extra fishing in canals).
  
  My biggest concerns are:
  A) If this is such a benefit to the farmers then surely they should be prepared to pay for all the costs. Why does the council (ie. ratepayers) have to pay? If the dam can’t pass the free market test of the people who would benefit actually paying the cost then it doesn’t really seem such a flash deal.
  
  B) Gotta go carefully with some of those environmental impact studies. The reports are always generated by people who want the project to proceed and over sell the positives and undersell the negatives. They also tend to put more emphasis on making the taniwha happy than nitrates and other scientific stuff.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:00am
  - PhilBest
    
    I think big spend-ups on infrastructure to support rural industry, but denying urban industry the same, is lunacy. Read “The World is Spiky” by Richard Florida, or even our own late Prof Sir Paul Callaghan’s “From Wool to Weta”. Urban industry is where all the wealth growth in the world economy has come from since WW2. Primary produce is a marginal game, low profits for massive consumption of land and water and basic resources.
    
    I don’t mean we shouldn’t bother to do it, but that we need to be realistic about urban potential. For example, while NZ has a high total road network mileage per capita, almost all of it is rural roads that carry stuff-all vehicles; but numerous urban roads carry 30,000 vehicles per day and we won’t 4-lane those roads! This is gross imbalance.
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:16am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Folks have to eat, though.
      
      We can’t all forage from our designer balconies and it wouldn’t be too long before we hunted out all the wildlife if NZ stopped being a primary producer.
      
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      February 13, 2017 9:32am
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    The majority of the costs in irrigation schemes is in appeasing the green-stacked bureaucracies, earthworks are relatively cheap. The costs you imagine the ratepayers paying for are costs created by the councils and regulators themselves. There is also huge risk in attempting to establish or grow irrigation schemes as you can spend millions or 10’s of millions over many years and end up being rejected for political reasons (or to appease greens). It’s a huge expensive gamble for dryland farmers with unstable income.
    
    Irrigation is responsible for a 10’s of billions in export revenues for NZ (the massive increase in output created by intensification and year to year consistency of production). Dryland farming has far lower earnings, employs less people and contributes less tax etc to economy. Irrigating all of the Canterbury plains would add billions in turnover to the region, add 10’s of thousands of jobs, and increase export earnings. Canterbury is very well suited to intensification as it is a narrow strip with fantastic drainage and little effected by nutrification (which would be further reduced if only it could get more water from eg west coast or more water harvesting)
    
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    February 13, 2017 3:10pm
EAD

Outstanding article over on Breitbart explaining what is and what is not inflation which is very topical over here with the new Governor of the Reserve Bank about to be appointed and the utter nonsense commentary we’ve had from our MSM how we’re suffering from “unusually low inflation”.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/19/the-inflation-lie-how-it-works-and-how-youve-been-hoodwinked/#comment-1864066459

Looking at the Trading Economics website, our money supply has inflated 230% since 2000 yet the pollies would have you believe we’ve been living in a 2% annualised (40% total) inflation for the past 17 years.

Excerpt from of the final section of the article:

The whole game is about propping up asset prices – be it stocks, bonds or houses. And a key part of that game is obfuscating inflation and fear-mongering about deflation.

That’s why it is extremely useful to have an official measure that ‘proves’ that inflation is low, especially one that ignores 77 per cent of new money-supply.

If you owned the assets or you operate in the sectors that have benefited from all this newly created money – the financial sector and the London property in which it mostly lives – you’ve made spectacular gains. But if you don’t, you got left behind.

What is happening is an insidious transfer of wealth from those that don’t own the right assets or operate in the right sectors to those that do.

The monetary system actually causes the wealth gap.

Low interest rates penalise labour and reward capital and assets. That is the simple mantra to remember.

To all those people in the Guardian who rail against wealth inequality – raising income tax is not the answer. That just further penalizes the productive.

The answer is an honest system of money.

Remember this article you next hear the MSM talking about our “low inflation environment” or why “we’re busy working too many hours” or why only “concreting over our countryside with more houses” is the solution to the “housing crisis”.
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February 13, 2017 8:40am
- PhilBest
  
  I think there is a lot of truth in that, but if the increased money supply was put into the economy in a different place, and distortions that are gamed by powerful investors were removed, then it wouldn’t be harmful.
  
  One of the most obvious channels for inequality creation, is expanded money supply feeding into urban land price bubbles, enriching property investors and incumbent owners while creating an ever-larger class of people who will be non-home-owners for life. But if we had urban land markets as lightly regulated as US median-multiple-3 cities, the land prices would not inflate and the low interest rates and easy credit actually make it easier to buy a home, just as they make it easier to buy a car or a TV.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:20am
- simpleton1
  
  “Professor Mark Blyth is one of the very select few people who grasp the full concept of two economies, Wall Street (fiscal economy) and Main Street (working class, traditional). A few weeks ago Blyth appeared on Tucker Carlson to discuss his thoughts.”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhvrxJ4d6sE
  4m. 09sec.
  
  Why the trickle down was not going to Main Street, and the divide that opened up, that made people consider Trump.
  
  He does do other lectures, that explains his theories and the divide of Main Street and Wall Street.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:58am
Happychappy

So Andrew little has had over a year to cost his policy and how many of the 100,000 house’s they will build in the first three years and again he has be caught by not being able to produce factual figures. Duncan Garner had him floundering on figures before he come up with the number of 20,000 house’s in the first three years which is know different to what the Government is building now. Well what started as a hit on National turned out to be another own goal by a Leader Leader that could not cover his lies.
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February 13, 2017 9:09am
Keeping Stock

Voting begins today in the Mt Albert by-election, and I see Penny has her billboards out, though they are so low to the ground that only vertically-challenged people will see them. She also seems to be confused about what she’s standing for, with anti-Auckland Council slogans, nothing to do with a central government election.

Also, the Labour Party billboards in the photo with the article at the link below are interesting; they say “Vote Jacinda on 25 Feb”. I’m not sure that I’ve ever seen a billboard from a major party which only gives the candidate’s christian name.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11799379
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February 13, 2017 9:21am
- holysheet
  
  What, no blue billboard?
  Goofy will be pissed that our little pony has reverted to the commo red colours.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:47am
- calendar girl
  
  Not a lot of comment in that link about candidate Penny Bright!
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:50am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Thanks heavens for small mercies calendar girl 😎
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:29am
  - Biscuit
    
    Calendar Girl, 9.50am.
    
    If I tab down on my perusal of General Comments and find that Penny has taken your comment as being your plea for more detail on her campaign I shall utter a naughty word in your direction!
    
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    February 13, 2017 1:10pm
    - calendar girl
      
      Understood. My sincere apologies for taking that risk.
      
      Once she’s elected to Parliament, however, she won’t have the time to harass contributors on KB threads. It would be great fun to be a fly on the wall observing the lengthy proceedings of her ‘Caucus-for-One”.
      
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      February 13, 2017 5:22pm
- chris
  
  There was an advantage to taking her family name off the billboard, she said – it freed up valuable space.
  
  “You get a very brief moment when people are driving past to convey a message,” she said.
  
  “And one of the things we wanted to convey was when the by-election was and just that it affected Mt Albert.”
  
  Freed up valuable space? It’s mostly red with plenty of room for her surname, and the bit about Mt Albert is presumably the tiny bit at the bottom of the billboard.
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:02am
- sooty
  
  Penny had trouble carrying the billboards and big hammer on the bus. Thats why close to the ground. Would have needed long stakes and a ladder, which would be hard on the bus. Shes not got many friends to assist her.edit a letter.
  
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  February 13, 2017 11:58am
waikatosinger

How long can the media sustain this level of full retard over Trump? I can’t recall anything quite like it.

Trump continues to implement his policies at a fairly rapid clip doing pretty much exactly what he said he would do in the election, and the news media continues to react to each fairly innocuous announcement like an act of mass murder and continues to portray him as Adolf Hitler.

In my opinion the MSM are mostly damaging their own credibility every day this continues. Of course they also damage Trump, although probably not as much as they imagine. Remember that similar full retard coverage of Trump during the election didn’t stop him from getting elected. I’d say most Trump supporters are probably ignoring the news media completely at this point.

So who will win the standoff. I’d put my money on Trump. What some of the more hysterical media pundits seem to forget is that the election is actually over. Trump won. He is the president for the next four years. The fake news and hysteria really doesn’t hurt him all that much. But every day that this nonsense continues the level of trust in news organisations is going to decline. The media are destroying their own credibility by continuing to behave in a hysterical way. And Trump is probably happy to watch them do it. Because he is certainly right to say that the media party is now his main opposition.

How should we measure the progress of this strange political standoff. Maybe political polls should also start to measure the credibility of news organisations. We can then see who is winning by comparing Trumps approval rating with the level of trust in various news media; see who goes up and who goes down.
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February 13, 2017 9:23am
- PhilBest
  
  Saw a report recently that not only does a majority of Americans support his temporary travel ban on the 7 countries, but a majority of Europeans think it would be good policy there too!
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:33am
  - VicParking
    
    The European countries are still madly building their Walls (barded wire fences) to stop immigrants/Refugees from entering their countries. Why are we not marching up Queen st to stop this.
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:49am
    - MCos
      
      Nobody is stopping you organizing said march.
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:02am
    - kowtow
      
      Tell ya how mad they are in Germany. Merkel invites them in and then wants to pay them to leave.
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4213978/Merkel-offers-cash-handouts-migrants-leave.html
      
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      February 13, 2017 5:06pm
- holysheet
  
  What some of the more hysterical media pundits seem to forget is that the election is actually over. Trump won.
  
  Wash your mouth out. How dare you say that on here. All the liberal snowflakes that frequent KB will be spewing their lattes all over their keyboards.
  Wait for stupidboy to come back from his head banging session at the local dump to give you an ear full of crap.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:51am
  - MCos
    
    Settle down
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:04am
  - Dave Mann
    
    I think Islam represents a threat to Western values and that political correctness has spread like a cancer into the bedrock of our government, our educational institutions and our families. I recognise that the world’s advanced economies are under threat from the decline of their manufacturing and productive bases. Also I think that ‘climate change’ is at the worst an out-and-out hoax to scare us into destroying our economic base and at the best a delusional fallacy.
    
    Whilst these are my opinions (and, as I am infallible they are obviously true, hahaha) I also think that President Trump is a mentally unstable narcissist and a compulsive liar who has an extremely tenuous grip on reality.
    
    While NZ certainly would benefit from a leader who shares my (obviously correct) values, please god (only figuratively speaking) don’t let him (yes, ‘him’) be anything like Donald Trump. Please…?
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:32am
    - Inandout
      
      Your message was lost in over analysation.
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:42am
      - Dave Mann
        
        I disagree 😀
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:54am
    - waikatosinger
      
      While I share your political values I am slightly less negative about Trump. I don’t really like the man and some of the things he has done – the Trump University scam was particularly awful and in my opinion showed poor judgement. And I don’t agree with many of his policies, particularly on trade. But I don’t think he is quite as bad as you say. And I credit the man for genuinely doing what he thinks is best for his country.
      
      I also think that President Trump is a mentally unstable narcissist and a compulsive liar who has an extremely tenuous grip on reality.
      
      Narcissist – yes. Absolutely. No doubt about it – just look at the hair. Just read some of his statements. I agree with you on that one.
      
      Mentally Unstable – no. In fact I’d say quite the opposite. He has handled some tough periods in his life that would weed out the mentally weak. I’d say he is actually fairly stable and copes with pressure well.
      
      Compulsive liar – no. Ben Carson was definitely a compulsive liar. Trump is not. Trump is a salesman and a showman and he often shades the truth, but he almost never outright lies as a compulsive liar would do.
      
      Tenuous grip on reality? – no. He clearly does see the world very differently to the way Obama did – he doesn’t think Islam is a religion of peace for example – but he is still seeing the same reality, he is just reaching different conclusions about it.
      
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      February 13, 2017 11:12am
      - Dave Mann
        
        waikatosinger, thanks for your reasoned response to my points…. but I honestly would take issue with your assertion that “he almost never outright lies as a compulsive liar would do”.
        
        The many instances of this are very well documented:
        
        -The claim that his was the best attended inauguration
        -“The murder rate in our country is the highest it’s been in 47 years.”
        – “Nobody respects women as much as I do”
        – “An amazing statistic is: there are more than 2 million criminal aliens with convictions in the country right now.”
        – “We’re giving you massive tax relief for the middle class.”
        – “I was against getting into the war in Iraq.”
        
        The list goes on and on. And on. There are literally hundreds of barefaced lies that this man has told. They are well documented and he never (to my knowledge) backs up these brazen lies or even tries to justify them. In his mind (or, whatever passes for a mind), a thing is true simply because he says it, no matter how ridiculous or provably untrue it is.
        
        To conclude: Most of Donald Trump’s lies are not just arguably different interpretations of the facts – they are purely invented facts which have no basis in reality.
        
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        February 13, 2017 11:59am
      - Scott
        
        Good comments Waikato singer. I do think Dave Mann needs to get out more away from the leftist media and spend time in front of FoxNews and Breitbart and there is a good site called American greatness which is worth checking out. Also anything from Ann Coulter. Coulter is good on the so-called fact checking. I would suggest to Dave that the facts are in dispute.
        
        The murder rate being the highest in 47 years for example. I haven’t checked that out but I know that the murder rate in places like Chicago is huge, high, absolutely unacceptably high. If the murder rate in Chicago was ever higher that would amaze me. People get shot and killed every weekend. By the end of January there had been something like 50 people shot and killed in Chicago alone.
        
        Now here is the thing – Trump puts out a figure that might be slightly an exaggeration but there is such a thing called hyperbola which is exaggeration for effect. Trump is focusing on the murder rate in Chicago which is unacceptable by any measure because he is trying to do something about it.
        
        Obama on the other hand never did anything about it and that’s because his good mate Rahm Emanuel is the mayor of Chicago. And the mainstream media will never call out Obama.
        
        So even if Trump is slightly wrong on the facts or he is using hyperbola he is still more correct than Obama. Because Trump gets to the essence of the issue. And on the essence of the issue Trump is right on most things.
        
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        February 13, 2017 3:32pm
- Komata
  
  waikaosinger
  
  While I agree with you about the MSM’s ‘over reaction’, I have found that you can convert the whole thing to something approaching a ‘game’.
  
  In all that the media are currently doing there are Three (3) stages:
  
  Stage 1. Mr Trump does something innocuous and quite reasonable.
  
  Stage 2. The media find out and absolute hysteria results. They are beside themselves in their joy of discovery and their desire for ‘vengence’ (although vengence for what is never, ever defined).
  
  Stage 3. A new Stage 1. occurs and the current Stage 2. is immediately dropped like a hot scone and a new Stage 2. takes its place.
  
  And on, and on, and on.
  
  The ‘game’ is very simple; Guess (a) how long the current Stage 2. will last.
  
  (b): What the next ‘Stage 2. will be (It’s usually something totally innocuous and harmless).
  
  (c) Which of the MSM will be the first to break the story on the ‘New’ Stage 2., with additional ‘points’ for guessing if it is a US, British or Australian publication.
  
  As I said, a ‘game’ of sorts. Playing it can be quite fun as you try and guess the outcomes.
  
  It is also possible to do a variation of this that I have called ‘Which Democrat will respond and for how long?’ although it does tend to loose its appeal and entertainment value when the same individuals repeatedly appear; Senator Warren is especially common – and long-speaking.
  
  I hope this may be of use – if only to break the tedium of endless the MSM stories.
  
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  February 13, 2017 11:37am
Manolo

The eternal discontents from the Left will be fuming:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-11-20-50-36

Trump’s trip to Mar-a-Lago had begun as a bonding session with Abe. For most of the day Saturday, Trump and the Japanese prime minister played golf under the Florida sun to get to know one another and show the world the U.S.-Japan alliance remained strong. Then events in Asia provided a more significant example of cooperation.
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February 13, 2017 9:25am
- AgentBallSack
  
  At Trumps own golf course even. Apart from Dear Leader from North Korea, what other world ruler can say that?
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:06am
RalphT

Thank you, DPF, you have finally recognised my intellectual abilities. Gone are the ads for Russian, Thai and Chinese women, to be replaced by an ad encouraging me to enrol at AUT.
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February 13, 2017 9:26am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  The incontinence pants, what happened to those little gems?
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:23am
  - RalphT
    
    The Russian babe made it quite clear that she would have nothing to do with me if I needed incontinence pads.
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:43am
Lucia Maria

I wonder how Dunne is going with his plan to try to move the school holidays to February because the weather is apparently always better.

Well, here in Kapiti during February, we have been experiencing wild swings between full on pouring rain and wind and nice calm sunny days. It really feels more like Autumn than Summer.

Today the wind is all out close to hurricane levels. Sitting in my car this morning waiting for the teenage boy to stop messing with his hair (he has photos today) so I could take him to school, it felt like the crosswind on the car wanted to pick the whole thing up, it was shaking so much during a particularly bad gust.

It’s also wet outside, though not raining right now, but it looks like it wants to.

That’s the thing with weather, it’s not necessarily predictable. But the sun is always out for long and up higher in December and January, and therefore it makes more sense to keep summer holidays in summer rather than moving them to the end of summer in an attempt to get a better summer which is never guaranteed.

Edited to add: and here is the rain…
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February 13, 2017 9:35am
- VicParking
  
  Why have School holidays at all. They can use the time to learn Maori. Im sure the teachers will only be to pleased to give up their holidays to help.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:52am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  OMG, you are describing my previous life (substitute girls doing hair, applying fn polish,) in that weather-driven centre of unpredictability.
  
  It is a bit windy here in Gizzy, this morning…. made hosing the garden a bit of a mission (hand-held only allowed, currently)…. Temp is 27C… heading for 33C….just another day in Paradise.
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:23am
- waikatosinger
  
  Remember all those days with wet patches of melted tar on the roads – wet and sticky under the wheels of your bike or sticking to your sandals. Haven’t seen that in a while. Either summers now are not as hot now as they used to be or maybe they changed how they build roads.
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:31am
  - Inandout
    
    The bitumen they use now may be resistant to ‘bleeding’.
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:43am
GazzaW

I was interested to hear Kelvin Davies this morning on Red Radio demanding quicker access by prison staff to pepper spray canisters in emergency situations. His statement was in support of the Corrections Union demands and I found that somewhat ironic given that Davies would normally be screaming blue murder about prisoners’ rights and the inherent cruelty of using pepper sprays. It’s easy to see who is calling the shots at the Labour Party now.
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February 13, 2017 9:36am
- marcw
  
  If I was in the Labour Party now, I would be asking for pepper spray canisters too – they seem to go from one SNAFU to another on a daily basis. Little would need a handful a day just to get through Caucus.
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:23pm
- thedavincimode
  
  What’s davies’ position on quicker access to pepper spray in the liebour caucus?
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:23pm
- Gabby
  
  He wasn’t demanding it for Strine camp guards was he?
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:53pm
EAD

Encouraging top-rated comments for free speech in this article that Amazon are selling dozens of books with revisionist views of the alleged “Holocaust”:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4216568/Dozens-books-claiming-Holocaust-hoax-Amazon-buy.html#readerCommentsCommand-message-field

– Why is denial a crime? People can think what they like

– The books present checkable facts and reasoning. It’s called free speech. If you don’t like it, move to North Korea.

– Is it an indication of a civilised country that they have laws that can make it a crime to claim that the holocaust did not happen? I find this unbelievable – I’m not stating that the holocaust did not happen. I actually think it probably did – I wasn’t there so can’t be 100% – but I just can’t understand how such a law can be put into place. I suggest that the human race is deconstructing itself by idiots in authority who should never be let out of the house in the morning.

I notice that “Comments have been moderated in advance” by the Daily Mail and despite being having an account with them, I’ve been unable to post 3 of the main revisionists arguments in even a generic manner so it is a surprise that the above got through.

Personally I find The Daily Mail is to be both the most morally degenerate MSM newspaper in the world and the most effective propagandist to advance the Globalists agenda. It is expert at letting off enough steam on the right in such a way as to keep the so called “right” paralysed.

They are the ultimate example of Chomsky’s quote on how to undertake “Practical Politics”:

“The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum….”
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February 13, 2017 9:37am
- mandk
  
  So, Amazon have listed some books espousing revisionist views of the holocaust.
  
  That’s to be expected. There are lots of sick fantasists and nutty conspiracy theorists out there.
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:00am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    …..”There are lots of sick fantasists and nutty conspiracy theorists out there”
    
    That explains Obamas Nobel Peace Prize.
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      ABS, another EAD National Socialist and holocust denier sympathiser ?
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:12am
      - AgentBallSack
        
        Wrong again stephen !
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:21am
    - Manolo
      
      Wrong!
      
      The Messiah was given the Nobel Prize for his indefatigable work towards world peace and golf mastery. There wasn’t other person more deserving of the accolade.
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:16am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        and he wasn’t caucasian
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:26am
  - EAD
    
    There are lots of sick fantasists and nutty conspiracy theorists out there
    
    There probably are mandk, I heard some SJW’s (the ones who wear Che Guerva t-shirts) tell me that Lenin & the Bolsheviks were just misunderstood!
    
    But that is not the case in the two books that I’ve read examining the revisionist claims. They were based on first hand evidence from Historians, Chemists & Industrial Engineers who cross-examined some of the millions of survivors, examined historical records (particularly those from neutral agencies such as the Red Cross) & visited the Work Camps.
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:34am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD , first hand evidence from historians , chemists ….etc
      
      Examples please ?
      
      Chemist . Leuchter Report ? Your joking naturally ?
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:39am
- Lucia Maria
  
  EAD,
  
  They are the ultimate example of Chomsky’s quote on how to undertake “Practical Politics”:
  
  “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum….”
  
  Oh my goodness, you are a Chomsky acolyte!! While the man does understand manipulation (he is the master of it), using him does implicate you as a far-leftist. I thought you were anti-Communist?
  
  I notice that “Comments have been moderated in advance” by the Daily Mail and despite being having an account with them, I’ve been unable to post 3 of the main revisionists arguments in even a generic manner so it is a surprise that the above got through.
  
  They don’t want to give a platform to the arguments that they are taking Amazon to task for. It would be like complaining about books on trolling on Amazon and allowing trolls free reign in the comments. There is a certain point where free speech is not any speech anywhere, anytime. Owners of websites have the right to restrict speech to what they find acceptable on their own sites. It’s done here on KiwiBlog as well.
  
  You can rant and rave about how unfair it is as much as you like, but your free speech is not being impinged as you are not being arrested for your opinions. You have the freedom to make the same arguments that you’d like to put on the Daily Mail site elsewhere.
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:59pm
Jack5

Can the Maori woman who is accused of racially abusing some young Muslim women get a fair trial with the media whipping up emotions about the incident?

In the Waikato Times today we have talk of hate crimes, a Muslim academic calling for records to be kept of “hate crime”, the statements made by the Muslims who were attacked being reported as fact, and on the Fairfax web site, video clips of Huntly locals being shown clips of the incident and their reactions.

Fairfax even brings in Trump, with one local blaming him.

Media-led hysteria.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/89319143/academic-calls-for-better-recording-of-hate-crimes-after-huntly-muslim-attack
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February 13, 2017 9:38am
- fernglas
  
  The trial should be able to be fair, after all, the incident was captured on video.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:54am
  - Jack5
    
    Fernglas, do you mean that capturing something on video ends all the great and long debate about trial by media and when does news coverage “cross the line”?
    
    Video choice can be very selective, and video can easily be edited with bias. I’m not suggesting that’s the case in the Huntly incident, but making the point that video can be manipulated as much as, maybe even more, than other sorts of information – written or aural.
    
    The issue here, in my view, is should media emotion building stop when charges are laid? Not just “emotion building” but reporting anything that might hamper a fair trial.
    
    The woman blamed in the incident was arrested on Sunday afternoon. The police correctly declined further comment. Here’s what the Hooerald reported Waikato West Area Commander, Inspector Naila Hassan, as saying:
    
    “While we appreciate the video will generate public discussion, the matter is now before the courts, and police do not intend to make any further statements.”
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:25am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack5 , your real burning issue,is that Muslims are involved , surely ?
      
      Your Media frenzy etc is just a smokesccreen!
      
      Out with it ?
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:32am
    - Jack5
      
      When Inspector Hassan spoke of “public discussion”, that might cover folk like us on Kiwiblog chattering about the case, even to a low level such as the jibbering by the likes of the Stephieboys troll syndicate.
      
      However, I raised in my initial post coverage by the regional newspaper that serves the area where the incident occurred. That is more likely to affect any court hearing.
      
      MCos raises the point in a post that follows this that the Huntly incident is likely to lead to a hearing before a judge. However, doesn’t an accused person’s right to choose a jury hearing need to be considered?
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:35am
      - stephieboy
        
        I understand if it is a summary offence ( max 3 months imprisonment) it goes before a Judge .
        
        However you appear to be rather alarmed about the fate of the offender ?
        
        Why ?
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:45am
      - Jack5
        
        In response to a point raised by another poster:
        
        The charges against the woman in the Huntly incident are assault, assault with a weapon and offensive language.
        
        A lawyer might be able to help us, but I think assault with a weapon at least, is regarded as a category 3 charge, because its maximum punishment is five years in prison.
        
        I think that means the person charged can choose jury trial.
        
        This is relevant to the effects of publicity.
        
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        February 13, 2017 1:10pm
      - Jack5
        
        I see the Hooerald reports now say the charges against the woman in the Huntly Incident, and to which she pleaded guilty, were behaving in an insulting manner that was likely to cause violence and to two charges of assault.
        
        The report doesn’t say whether the assault charge was brought under the Summary Offences Act 1981 (section 9), with a maximum penalty of six months’ jail or (for more serious cases), the Crimes Act 1961 (section 196), which has a maximum penalty of up to one year’s jail.
        
        If the latter the woman would have been able to choose jury trial, and that could have been prejudiced by the media feeding frenzy.
        
        I see Radio NZ is reporting a charge of assault with a weapon was reduced to one of assault.
        
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        February 13, 2017 5:36pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  If you hate the political beliefs of a particular culture and you criticize those policies, are you guilty of a “hate crime”?
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    See how say Jack 5 and you would feel walking down the road one day and then receive vitriolic abuse including beer thrown over you both.
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:16am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      Vitriolic abuse and criticism are not the same thing. Although to some people, they are. (And therein lies part of the problem.)
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:28am
      - stephieboy
        
        Odakyu sen , so the Huntly woman involved was engaging in some kind of rational constructive criticism ?
        
        Yeah Right !
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:34am
- MCos
  
  You’re not starting to feel sorry for her are you?
  As you would know all sorts of criminal actions are reported in the media with details included of murders, assaults etc. that come before a jury with no problems. I would have thought this one would be a judge only case.
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:17am
Manolo

The new darling of the Left will meet President Trump:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/C/CN_CANADA_TRUMP_TRUDEAU?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-02-12-12-28-01

The first face to face meeting between Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and U.S. President Trump could be the most important meeting for Canada in decades between leaders of the two neighbors.
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February 13, 2017 9:43am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Remember if you kill your enemy they win.
  Trudeau will bend at the knee and agree to everything Trump wants.
  
  #winningcanada
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:11am
  - stephieboy
    
    ABS, agree to what precisely ?
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:19am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      Another wall ! This time on the Northern border. But this wall will be the greatest . You won’t see another wall like this ever .
      
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      February 13, 2017 10:23am
      - stephieboy
        
        8,891 kilometres (5,525 mi) long, of which 2,475 kilometres (1,538 mi) is Canada’s border with Alaska.) ??
        
        Go and visit your shrink !
        
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        February 13, 2017 10:27am
  - G152
    
    If you kill your enemy you’ve won.
    Well, in the real world that most of us inhabit anyway
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:33am
Manolo

The world upside down:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/cia-director-gives-medal-top-saudi-royal-081032376.html

The heir to Saudi Arabia’s throne has been awarded a medal by the new director of the US Central Intelligence Agency, who honoured his counter-terrorism work.
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February 13, 2017 9:52am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, it must send you into a spiral of gloom and despair that the world is far more complicated than your Trumpist affections could ever bear .
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:24am
Happychappy

Well where will the inquiry for old peoples health care be held by Labour the Greens and Grey Power, maybe as they started with Takaka they will continue there journey paid by the Taxpayer to maybe Haast or the Catlins.
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February 13, 2017 9:58am
cha

Now this is pretty fucking funny.

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His leadership brought us together; his legacy inspires us still. Happy Birthday, President Lincoln! pic.twitter.com/W2rXcKHVpu— GOP (@GOP) February 12, 2017

Oops, bogus quote.

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And in the end, it’s not the years in your life that count. It’s the life in your years.

Abraham Lincoln is credited with this aphorism, but I cannot find it in his collected works. Can you determine who really said it?

Quote Investigator: QI has found no substantive evidence that Lincoln used this expression. Some quotation references attributed the remark to Adlai Stevenson II who was the Governor of Illinois and a Democratic Presidential nominee. Indeed, Stevenson did deploy a version of this adage in speeches as early as 1952.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2012/07/14/life-years-count/
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February 13, 2017 10:11am
cha

Swatted!.

Mexican Marines Killed a Cartel Boss With a Helicopter Minigun https://t.co/QzlXHXQna4 pic.twitter.com/EribC44xDV— War Is Boring (@warisboring) February 12, 2017

https://youtu.be/wIUZL7nqmYU
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February 13, 2017 10:55am
Inandout

It seems the AA employed ‘victim’ at Huntly hates Charlie Hebdo with a vengeance. Of course it doesn’t take us long to dig back into social media sites, but the MSM will not do this.
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February 13, 2017 10:55am
Stars And Stripes

Govt urged to support domestic violence bill
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/324342/govt-urged-to-support-domestic-violence-bill.
“The government is being urged to support a bill by Green MP Jan Logie that would give domestic violence victims paid leave to help them deal with their situation.
In an open letter published today, The National Council of Women is calling on the Minister for Workplace Relations, Michael Woodhouse, to support the bill at its first reading so it can go to Select Committee.
The letter is backed by anti-violence campaigners, unions and Equal Employment Opportunities Commission Jackie Blue”.

FFS we already have leave to cover just about everything including domestic leave which I thought would have covered this situation in most cases but no we need an special leave category now apparently.
Well if we are going down this road why stop here as we can have burglary leave, car theft leave and whatever other things tickle your fancy.
More employer draining bullshit from bludgers and lesbians.
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February 13, 2017 11:05am
cha

#MAGA – by creating jobs for Americans.

The day before harsh new laws came into effect, Brian Cash had 65 Hispanic men picking tomatoes. Now he has none.

Brian Cash can put a figure to the cost of Alabama’s new immigration law: at least $100,000. That’s the value of the tomatoes he has personally ripening out in his fields and that are going unpicked because his Hispanic workforce vanished literally overnight.

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Cash gets angry when people tell him that his Hispanic workforce was taking jobs away from Americans. Since the new law began two weeks ago only two American citizens have come by his farm asking for work.

The couple had driven two hours from a city to offer their services, but they barely lasted that long in the fields. Cash discovered that they were trying to fiddle him by notching up two baskets of tomatoes for every one they picked – as they were paid by the basket that would have fraudulently doubled their earnings.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/oct/14/alabama-immigration-law-workers?
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February 13, 2017 11:13am
- AgentBallSack
  
  Perhaps pay a proper wage, eh? Stop using Mexicans as your slave work force.
  
  Fucken easy.
  
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  February 13, 2017 11:22am
  - cha
    
    And NZ growers, should they pay a proper wage, eh?
    
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    February 13, 2017 11:31am
    - AgentBallSack
      
      We have a minimum wage and we don’t have 20 million illegal workers cha.
      Slight difference.
      
      I don’t have a problem with a migrant workforce, it’s when they’re mistreated and underpaid. And most migrants don’t report abuses as theyre scared they will get deported.
      
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      February 13, 2017 11:36am
Fletch

Ben Stein makes the point that the media is the “supreme power” in America right now, the “unaccountable fourth branch of government”. There are checks and balances in place between the other 3 branches of government, but the media is accountable to no one. They don’t even have to name their sources and can make stuff up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUEoH3p-LOs
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February 13, 2017 11:16am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch ,
  Does Trump and Pence propose to take MSM under their control as the fourth branch of goverment ?
  
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  February 13, 2017 2:11pm
AgentBallSack

Eternal cuck and Hillarys bitch, Democrat Bernie Sanders calls Trump a liar, to back it up they quote another Democrat.

Bernie who took money from the Clintons to drop out of the race after being cheated by the DNC. The guy who says white people don’t know what it’s like to be poor. The same one who lived in his parents house until he was 40. Member of the communist party, and never worked a day in his life.

But his house in the Hamptons is worth a visit, I hear Hillary paid top dollar for it.
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February 13, 2017 11:19am
- Manolo
  
  Hillary’s bitch sounds just right and a perfect description of the veteran Sanders.
  
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  February 13, 2017 11:22am
- MCos
  
  Both of Sanders’ parents were dead by the time he was twenty two.
  
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  February 13, 2017 11:47am
  - AgentBallSack
    
    MCos, I may have fallen for fake news in that respect. Or I mixed it up with him not having a job until he was 40.
    
    Too late to edit now. Apologies to The Bern for the unnecessary slur.
    
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    February 13, 2017 1:04pm
- Fletch
  
  According to a new book chronicling the Myrtle Hill Farm commune in the 1960s and 1970s, Sanders had to be asked to leave the hippie commune because he loafed around all day and did no work.
  
  http://freebeacon.com/politics/bernie-sanders-asked-leave-hippie-commune/
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:50pm
- Fletch
  
  ps, Sanders wife also bankrupted a college –
  
  Burlington College announced today that it will close on May 27 after it found itself unable to recover from “the crushing weight of the debt” incurred under Jane O’Meara Sanders, the college’s former president and wife of Bernie Sanders.
  
  At the end of 2010, Ms. Sanders took out $10 million in loans on behalf of Burlington College to purchase a 32-acre swathe of land from the Roman Catholic diocese, which put the land up for sale to help cover the costs of a $17 million sexual-abuse settlement.
  
  As Heat Street reported last month, the college almost immediately fell short on its financial obligations as fundraising pledges and commitments Ms. Sanders cited in the loan agreements never materialized.
  
  Less than a year after leading Burlington College into massive debt, Ms. Sanders resigned, taking with her a $200,000 severance package. By 2014, because of its shaky finances and running deficits, Burlington College found itself placed on probation for two years by the regional accreditation agency.
  
  As usual, Socialists using Other People’s Money to finance stuff. In this case, money they didn’t have.
  
  http://heatst.com/politics/catholic-parishioners-investigate-jane-sanders-for-federal-loan-fraud/
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:58pm
- Gabby
  
  Cuck soccer.
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:01pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  More interesting Sanders (The Penny Bright of American Politics) stories:
  
  He explained his family couldn’t imagine his “success,” because “my brother and I and Mom and Dad grew up in a three-and-a-half-room rent-controlled apartment in Brooklyn, and we never had a whole lot of money.”
  
  It wasn’t as bad as he says. His family managed to send him to the University of Chicago. Despite a prestigious degree, however, Sanders failed to earn a living, even as an adult. It took him 40 years to collect his first steady paycheck — and it was a government check.
  
  “I never had any money my entire life,” Sanders told Vermont public TV in 1985, after settling into his first real job as mayor of Burlington.
  
  Sanders spent most of his life as an angry radical and agitator who never accomplished much of anything. And yet now he thinks he deserves the power to run your life and your finances — “We will raise taxes;” he confirmed Monday, “yes, we will.”
  
  One of his first jobs was registering people for food stamps, and it was all downhill from there.
  
  Sanders took his first bride to live in a maple sugar shack with a dirt floor, and she soon left him. Penniless, he went on unemployment. Then he had a child out of wedlock. Desperate, he tried carpentry but could barely sink a nail. “He was a shi**y carpenter,” a friend told Politico Magazine. “His carpentry was not going to support him, and didn’t.”
  
  Then he tried his hand freelancing for leftist rags, writing about “masturbation and rape” and other crudities for $50 a story. He drove around in a rusted-out, Bondo-covered VW bug with no working windshield wipers. Friends said he was “always poor” and his “electricity was turned off a lot.” They described him as a slob who kept a messy apartment — and this is what his friends had to say about him.
  
  The only thing he was good at was talking … non-stop … about socialism and how the rich were ripping everybody off. “The whole quality of life in America is based on greed,” the bitter layabout said. “I believe in the redistribution of wealth in this nation.”
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:09pm
  - AgentBallSack
    
    Very Penny like.
    
    So he tried politics, starting his own socialist party. Four times he ran for Vermont public office, and four times he lost — badly. He never attracted more than single-digit support — even in the People’s Republic of Vermont. In his 1971 bid for U.S. Senate, the local press said the 30-year-old “Sanders describes himself as a carpenter who has worked with ‘disturbed children.’ ” In other words, a real winner.
    
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    February 13, 2017 1:13pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    A layabout who said, “I believe in the redistribution of wealth in this nation.”
    
    Funny that a layabout would say such a thing. I wonder what their motivation could be?
    
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    February 13, 2017 1:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Odakyu -sen , which is preferable being a layabout ( if actually true ) or ripping of workers and contactors plus pussy groping ?
      
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      February 13, 2017 2:35pm
Don the Kiwi

What’s the real reason the Left hates Trump ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_xN0u2d7AI
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February 13, 2017 11:31am
- cha
  
  So you’re a NWO loon, too.
  
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  February 13, 2017 11:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    No surprises there !
    
    This comment is germane ,
    
    crusaderI969
    
    “It’s too early to celebrate. Californians elected Arnold Schwarzenegger governor to fix California and he folded like a lawn chair in a tornado “
    
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    February 13, 2017 2:03pm
VicParking

They (Prominent Kiwis) “have banded together to demand an independent inquiry into the claims of sexual and physical abuse of children in state care.”
However they have already decided the outcome and have demanded an apology from ?????.
Once again the current government is to be lambasted and criticised for “The sins of our fathers”. It wont be long before they will need to aplogise the all the hangings in the 19th century and for all the “mental insitutions” we had in the early 20th century.
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February 13, 2017 11:31am
- GoVege
  
  I think they’re only apologizing to people still alive, Vic.
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:31pm
Stars And Stripes

Whale stranding: Disposing of the carcasses
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11799564.
” Department of Conservation (DoC) staff now must decide what to do with the carcasses of about 350 whales that couldn’t be saved on Thursday”.

How about send all the meat to the ethnic restaurants around the country as the cats and dogs would probably welcome a break for a while.
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February 13, 2017 11:36am
- Inandout
  
  I thought the local iwi had first digs, or is that only the jawbone? I know when a single whale is stranded DoC can’t touch it until the karmatua has cut the choice bits. The taxpayer then pays for disposal.
  
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  February 13, 2017 11:46am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yeah I think the problem is that all the carcasses are bloated and a bit rancid now because they pussy footed around so long.
    Probably only good now to be used at Singh’s Curryhouse where the “exotic” flavour can be successfully masked.
    
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    February 13, 2017 12:05pm
- rangitoto
  
  It will be well past that stage unless you want to eat rotting meat.
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:22pm
Happychappy

For all the stick the Left and Labour used to try and discredit John Key with his ability to encourage the voter to photo bomb him and his while walking amongst crowds the Labour Leader has been trying to simulate the same practice. If any one took notice yesterday when he was on stage yelling that he will be back next year and if the PM promising to supply the drug to cure the HIV disease. Who would have thought Labour would revert to copying a Leader that they despise.
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February 13, 2017 11:47am
Ross12

US Democrat politics is a laugh a minute.

On the one hand the Californian Legislature is moving forward to make the state a sanctuary state and the talk of ceding from the Union seems to be still there.
On the other hand Governor Brown is asking for Federal help from the FEMA ( Federal Emergency Management Agency) because they have had a little bit of rain and snow. Why doesn’t he show how independent they can be –maybe ask some of those snowflake Hollywood & Silicon Valley rich guys to put their hands in their pocket.
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February 13, 2017 11:54am
- Gabby
  
  You don’t think they’re one of those freeloading red states do you?
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:06pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  They’ve got themselves a major problem …
  
  Collapsing dam
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38952847
  
  Should have spent some money on maintenance of their dams & flood-ways, instead of believing that California was going to be in drought 4 EVA.
  
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  February 13, 2017 6:12pm
  - Ross12
    
    Yes Maggie. Looks a lot like the Queensland situation a few years back. Not spilling water early enough so they could do it at a controlled rate.
    
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    February 13, 2017 8:46pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Yeeks… allergic to gluten,
try some hookworms!

Hookworm trial to begin at Christchurch Hospital
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/324369/hookworms-employed-in-gluten-battle
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February 13, 2017 12:15pm
- RalphT
  
  And the prize for brilliant placing goes to Maggy. Her piece about parasites was followed by yet another piece of drivel from Penny Bright.
  
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  February 13, 2017 2:38pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Interesting development which I support.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO1702/S00127/church-leaders-concern-about-deportation-of-indian-students.htm

Monday, 13 February 2017, 10:30 am

Press Release: Joint Press Release

Church Leaders Statement of Concern About Deportation of Indian Students:

To the NZ Government and Public:

As leaders in our 3 Churches we wish to publicly state our concern about the proposed deportation of several students from India for falsification of their visa papers.

We do not believe they intended to deceive the NZ government in this way.

“Having looked at their situation it seems to us that these students have been duped by unscrupulous immigration agents in India.

In a previous similar cases we understand that where documentation had been deemed falsified by immigration agents then the group was allowed to stay.” Archbishop Philip Richardson said.

This points to an inconsistency in policy and an unfair treatment of this group of students.

The students were up-to- date with course fees at their educational establishments.

They could not draw NZ benefits because they are not citizens or residents.

Most of them were tax-paying workers according to their visa conditions and they were contributing to the NZ economy via their taxes, course fees and general living expenses.

We do not deny that the NZ government has a duty to carefully scrutinize immigration applications, nor that applicants have a responsibility in regard to their applications.

However these can be complicated processes and the role and legitimacy of immigration agents also needs careful scrutiny.

Immigration New Zealand seems to have erred in its processes as well.

“We urge the government to re-consider the case of these students.

We do so on the basis of concern for the human situation of the students, our Christian responsibility to care for ‘the stranger, the widow and the orphan’ among us, and a concern for just application of NZ’s immigration policy.” Cardinal John Dew said.

Cardinal John Dew
Archbishop of Wellington.

Archbishop Philip Richardson
Archbishop and Primate of the

Anglican Church of Aotearoa New Zealand and Polynesia.

Reverend Prince Devandanan
President – the Methodist Church of New Zealand.
_________________________

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate
Mt Albert by-election.
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February 13, 2017 12:18pm
- rangitoto
  
  In India they will be just fine. They can get a better education there for less money as well.
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:24pm
- wiseowl
  
  Most of them were tax paying workers.
  I thought they were students.
  How much of this is going on?
  No wonder people can’t find jobs.
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:27pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Allowing people to benefit from a fraud only encourages more of it. They should have been on a plane long ago.
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:40pm
- Happychappy
  
  They are a bit like you not so bight penny a fraud at lots of things including the truth, just saying and I don’t think independent is the right word Hopeless Candidate is more appropriate.
  
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  February 13, 2017 12:40pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  No surprise you support freeloaders Penny.
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:07pm
  - stigie
    
    Well, at least they pay their way. Funny that !~
    
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    February 13, 2017 3:33pm
- GoVege
  
  For once I agree with you, Penny.
  If governmental officials have not done their job properly, then unless they have criminal records, they should be allowed to stay.
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:44pm
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Who said government officials have not done their job besides some unsubstantiated speculation such as this letter?.
    All of these students signed their applications as accurate and truthful which they were not so to say I didn’t read it or did not know is just weasel words from people who got caught and now can’t accept the consequences.
    
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    February 13, 2017 2:58pm
- mandk
  
  Because these blokes are here on the basis of falsified English language test results, it is debatable whether they will be able to complete their qualifications here. And, even if they did, it is unlikely that their qualifications would be good enough to qualify them for residence.
  
  There is a good chance, therefore, that, if they are allowed to stay, they will end up in illegal employment with shonky employers, undermining legitimate businesses and the livelihoods of NZ residents and citizens.
  
  How is that a win for the ordinary working man and woman?
  
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  February 13, 2017 2:43pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish Stays
  I walk away
  
  Steve N/S
  Attendee: Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
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  February 13, 2017 7:59pm
Manolo

Unbound lunacy from the German courts:
http://www.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-court-calls-synagogue-torching-an-act-to-criticize-Israel-478330

A court in Germany has decided that a brutal attempt to set fire to a local synagogue in 2014 was an act meant to express criticism against Israel’s conduct in its ongoing conflict with Hamas.

A German regional court in the city of Wuppertal affirmed a lower court decision last Friday stating that a violent attempt to burn the city’s Bergische Synagogue by three men in 2014 was a justified expression of criticism of Israel’s policies.

The court sentenced the three men – Muhammad E., 31, Ismail A., 26, and Muhammad A., 20 – to suspended sentences for tossing firebombs at the synagogue. and causing €800 worth of damage.
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February 13, 2017 12:40pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The German court condones the attempt to burn down a house of worship is a “justified express of criticism” of a foreign state.
  So, that means that a PETA group can torch a Shinto shrine as a protest over the Japanese government’s support for whaling?
  A dangerous precedent. What is the German court thinking? Has it no social responsibility?
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:16pm
  - GoVege
    
    Are they nuts?
    Wonder what the sentence would have been if some Germans threw ham sandwiches in a mosque, as in Britain?
    
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    February 13, 2017 1:34pm
    - kowtow
      
      Are they nuts ? Yes they are , but you might enjoy this one GoVege , despite the fact that the fox was going to eat the goose,so there was still going to be harm to an animal , the important thing is we must hate the farmer.
      
      “A small town in Hesse has removed a children’s song about a fox stealing a goose from its repertoire of town hall bell melodies, after a vegan resident became quite upset.”
      
      https://www.thelocal.de/20170209/vegans-protest-leads-town-hall-to-stop-playing-kids-song-about-fox-and-goose
      
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      February 13, 2017 4:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        I’m a vegequarian, kowtow.
        (Well I try to be.)
        I always suspected vegans were a bit nutty.
        This one definitely is.
        
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        February 13, 2017 9:35pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  When in Germany…..
  
  Whatever you do, don’t mention the war.
  Or the elephant in the room.
  
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  February 13, 2017 1:17pm
- kowtow
  
  Clearly the criminals had the right name, right cause and right court.
  
  We are constantly treated to “news” stories of EU politicians and judiciary talking about European values of equality, integration ,tolerance , democracy , justice etc and yet here is a case of total surrender to the intolerant unEuropean Muslim who refuses to integrate and accept the values of his host.
  
  By contrast in Britain for an act of littering , labelled hatred by the UK elites , a far cry from arson, this loser goes to gaol for 12 months , no suspended sentence for you sir, where he dies.
  
  “A man who was jailed for tying bacon to the door handles of a mosque has died in prison.
  
  Kevin Crehan, 35, died in HMP Bristol on Tuesday, December 27 while serving a 12-month sentence for the crime.”
  
  http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/man-who-tied-bacon-to-mosque-door-handles-dies-in-prison/story-30018423-detail/story.html
  
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  February 13, 2017 4:05pm
Manolo

A brave woman to wear that among delicate liberals and snowflakes:
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/319161-singer-wears-make-america-great-again-dress-at-grammys
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February 13, 2017 1:09pm
cha

You can please some of the people all of the time….

http://thehill.com/homenews/319148-hezbollah-leader-having-idiot-in-white-house-makes-us-optimistic
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February 13, 2017 1:59pm
Manolo

Tell the bugger that that one left the White House on Jan. 20th.
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February 13, 2017 2:41pm
Manolo

Nice-looking lady:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/grammy-awards-a-pro-trump-statement-red-carpet-974968
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February 13, 2017 2:44pm
Tauhei Notts

Kellyanne Conway
I saw an awful, supposedly satirical, You Tube clip of her. The chattering classes would be best advised to tread very carefully when going in that direction. It could come back and bite them on the arse.
As one who enjoys movies such as “Blue is the Warmest Colour” I do not consider my self a prude, but the said You Tube clip went right over the top.
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February 13, 2017 2:53pm
Manolo

Pinko Turnbull coming over to meet Bill English in Queenstown.
According to Andrew Bolt, Malcolm is dog-tucker.
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February 13, 2017 3:12pm
Fletch

Streep bashes Trump again

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/02/12/meryl-streep-hits-trump-vows-fight-brownshirts-acceptance-speech/

Disliking this know-nothing liberal more and more.
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February 13, 2017 3:36pm
- Manolo
  
  Is it amazing that none of these divas, celebrities, and assorted Hollywood liberals ever raised their timid voices against Obama and the Democratic Party?
  
  It was all fine and dandy while their hero was in charge. Not now.
  
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  February 13, 2017 3:46pm
- Scott
  
  I used to like Meryl Streep. A very good actress with a great body of work. Why she wants to annoy half the country as well as many many people overseas with her ultra liberal speeches is very puzzling? Doesn’t she realise that the people Hillary Clinton called “a basket of deplorables” attend movies too? Is she purposely trying to alienate half of her fan base?
  
  Very career limiting move in my opinion.
  
  Also I have to say I used to love Ashley Judd. She was wonderful in so many movies. But I realise she was playing a character. The real Ashley Judd when she is playing herself is far from wonderful, her anti Trump speech was quite frankly ridiculous.
  
  Actors and actresses should stick to acting. They have very little real world experience and wisdom and why they are given a platform to express their political views ahead of anybody else is a mystery to me?
  
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  February 13, 2017 3:56pm
  - itstricky
    
    Should she only comment on The President’s brief, but illustrious, ratings grabbing TV appearances?
    
    I mean, that is her field, and all. I’m sure you’d give her that?
    
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    February 13, 2017 5:24pm
- itstricky
  
  Streep bashes Trump again
  
  I’m sure it has nothing to do with him being a half baked, self obsessed ex TV reality star.
  
  Why care so, anyway? It’s kind of like the equivalent of me going “Sigh, there goes Manolo cut n pasting Hillary bashing again“
  
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  February 13, 2017 5:36pm
rangitoto

Melbourne gets another dose of cultural enhancement:

http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/youth-gang-attacks-summersault-festival-crowds-in-melbourne/news-story/52942046cd1123221f747dc1b1e56848
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February 13, 2017 4:19pm
- Tokyo_Joe
  
  Andrew Bolt’s article “Africans rampage at festival. Police stand back” sums it up rather well.
  
  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/africans-rampage-at-festival-police-stand-back/news-story/4dfcd69db5a4a9f7d7570453e9ca3b7d
  
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  February 13, 2017 6:40pm
  - Manolo
    
    The Aussies ought to be totally crazy to accept that Sudanese barbarians into their country.
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:56pm
fernglas

“A woman accused of an alleged racial attack in Huntly in which a group of friends were abused for being Muslim has admitted her misdeeds.

Megan Sarah Louise Walton, 27, of no fixed abode in Auckland, appeared in the Hamilton District Court on Monday, charged with assault, assault using a can of alcohol as a weapon, and behaving “in an insulting manner that was likely in the circumstances to cause violence against persons”.

The assault with a weapon charge comes with a maximum penalty of five years in prison. However that charge was amended to the lesser charge of assault under the Crimes Act – which has a maximum penalty of one year in jail – and through her counsel Gerard Walsh she pleaded guilty to all three charges.”
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February 13, 2017 5:03pm
- Yvette
  
  So, using the Labour Surname Test, is Megan Sarah Louise Walton a pakeha as Catherine Delanhunty suggested, or not?
  
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  February 13, 2017 6:21pm
- Viking2
  
  Pity lots of other even worse bad buggers didn’t get to court as quick.
  24 hours. Fuck it takes more than a year for serious stff.
  One wonders why this bird got called in when the tart that abused Peter Leitch just got a lot of agro from FB.
  Rather the Police used their time catching thieves and criminals. thank you.
  
  There’s n old saying that goes, “sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never harm me”.
  
  What the fuck am I going to do next time one of my irascible Maori neighbors tells me to fuck off that I (Pakeha) don’t belong on our Land. Its a common driveway of a cross lease. Apparently I should call the thought police and have him arrested (for the umpteenth time in his case), and he will be in court the next day (not).
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:46pm
  - GoVege
    
    That’s why I will never buy a cross-lease Viking.
    Apparently one-third of police call-outs are over shared driveways.
    Course the younger generation don’t have much choice these days.
    
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    February 13, 2017 11:14pm
renderer

Bugger me, Penny has had her defamation case struck out in the High Court. How sad
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February 13, 2017 5:10pm
- fernglas
  
  Let’s hope she gets pinged for costs; the Council has spent a fair bit of moolah on it. That would be a quick route to bankruptcy if she refused to pay.
  
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  February 13, 2017 6:22pm
  - stigie
    
    “the Council has spent a fair bit of moolah on it.”
    
    I think you mean the decent ratepaying citizens of Auckland that are being ripped off by that bludging bitch in School Rd Kingsland !~
    
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    February 13, 2017 7:02pm
    - nasska
      
      So you won’t be donating to her “give-a-little” appeal when it makes its inevitable appearance stigie? 🙂
      
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      February 13, 2017 7:08pm
      - stigie
        
        I thought JB was going to “give a little” to Penny when he was trying to entice her down to Wainui Nasska.
        Not really sure what put her off, the impersonation of John Holmes or the sheep dip..?
        
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        February 13, 2017 7:41pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  and a link here:
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/national/89370238/Penny-Brights-defamation-suit-against-Auckland-Council-chief-dismissed
  
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  February 13, 2017 7:10pm
wiseowl

Fires all over the show in Hawkes Bay.
The one on the way to Waimarama looks pretty bad.
I hope they haven’t been started by idiots.
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February 13, 2017 5:33pm
realityczech

—Hidden figures—

Hollywood: Obese black women put man on the moon.

Reality: NAZI rocket scientists put man on the moon.
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February 13, 2017 6:09pm
- Longknives
  
  Hidden Figures is a complete fabrication. Utter PC Bullshit.
  Hollywood has rewritten History yet again with that one..
  Very,very disrespectful to the persons (of all Races) who actually did work in the Space Programme in that era..
  
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  February 13, 2017 6:43pm
  - realityczech
    
    Longknives, check your white privilege bro. You are “literally worse than Hitler” 🙂
    
    As a side note… Obama, the first black president, shut down the space program to such an extent that the US has to catch a ride to the space station on Russian rockets now. This happens even with the all the sanctions.
    
    And it gets worse. Much worse. The US has yet to develop any rocket engine that can match those build by the USSR and has to buy them from Russia.
    
    The Pentagon will need to buy up to 18 more Russian-built RD-180 engines to power rockets carrying U.S. military satellites into space over the next six years or so, Deputy Defense Secretary Robert Work said in an interview on Friday.
    
    Congress banned use of the Russian RD-180 rocket engines for military use after 2019, following Russia’s annexation of the Crimea region of Ukraine in 2014.
    
    But U.S. lawmakers eased the ban late last year, worried that it could drive United Launch Alliance, a joint venture of Lockheed Martin Corp and Boeing Co, out of business and leave only privately held SpaceX to lift satellites into space.
    
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-space-russia-idUSKCN0X600H
    
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    February 13, 2017 6:52pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      NASA went into terminal decline with enforced “diversification” such as female astronaut quotas on Challenger.
      
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      February 13, 2017 6:55pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “Very,very disrespectful to the persons (of all Races)”
    
    The USA was like 90% white, then some Jewish politicians in the mid 60s pushed for 3rd World flood while promising their Immigration “reforms” would in no way alter the ethnic demogrpahics of the USA –
    
    1965 – “Just enjoy the new food, stop worrying!”.
    
    2015 – “To be totally honest its going to be great when you whites are made extinct.”
    
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    February 13, 2017 6:53pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Reality:
  
  Capitalist democratic system built by white Christian men put white Christian men on the moon.
  
  Reality:
  
  Joolly Wood is a Cultural Marxist agit prop producer.
  
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  February 13, 2017 6:45pm
  - realityczech
    
    Oh no that can’t possibly be true.
    
    http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/detains-american-because/
    
    http://theantimedia.org/israel-rampant-racism-against-black-jews-continues-to-be-ignored/
    
    http://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=http://www.forbes.com/sites/eliseknutsen/2013/01/28/israel-foribly-injected-african-immigrant-women-with-birth-control/&refURL=https://www.google.co.nz/&referrer=https://www.google.co.nz/
    
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    February 13, 2017 7:05pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Weird self-talk going on here. Jazz meet Czech, Czech meet Jazz. Oh, you already know each other and are just pretending to be separate people. Ok.
      
      So, what will happen when the Over Lord personality loses the year-long ban that’s due to end very soon. Will you guys just puff away?
      
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      February 13, 2017 8:44pm
- EAD
  
  Reality: NAZI rocket scientists put man on the moon.
  
  That’s the hate fact the people who control Hollywood (Google: “William Cash Spectator 1994 Kings of the Deal”) don’t want you to know about.
  
  They’d have you believe dat 3 black womaaaaaan affrofizzizists wat was put dem men on da moon.
  
  http://www.counter-currents.com/2017/02/hidden-figures/
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:02pm
  - Gabby
    
    Jacksie compliments you on your cuntiness.
    
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    February 13, 2017 10:12pm
Tokyo_Joe

Recommended listening; The Outsiders (Australian Sky News), a recently started weekly featuring Mark Latham, Ross Cameron and Rowan Dean – the complete opposite of the ABC’s The Insiders. As the introduction says, “Trigger warning viewers, you’ve entered a very unsafe space…”

https://player.whooshkaa.com/shows/sky-news-outsiders

From the most recent episode (Feb.12th, 09:05 ~ 13:25), I particularly enjoyed Mark Latham’s commentary when he completely destroyed ‘the left’ vis-a-vis how ‘social justice’ used to be about the underclass, poverty, the financially disadvantaged etc, but these days it’s all about race, gender, sexuality and identity politics. Why? Because ‘the left’ got wealthy.

The show broadcasts live in Australia on Sundays, and the audio is usually available via the above link on Mondays.

I wonder if/when NZ will ever get around to having its equivalent of this show, and who would be our Mark, Ross and Rowan?
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February 13, 2017 6:30pm
- Manolo
  
  An excellent program, indeed.
  
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  February 13, 2017 7:04pm
wiseowl

Agree Joe.
Don’t miss the Bolt Report .

Have to applaud Cory Bernadi on his move even though it seemed wrong at the time.
He’s telling it like it is and I think will get much support maybe causing more changes in Aussie politics.
Turnbull is useless. .
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February 13, 2017 6:43pm
- Tokyo_Joe
  
  Indeed, The Bolt Report is essential viewing.
  
  Between Pauline and Cory, I wouldn’t be surprised if they will be the kingmakers at the next federal election, and it will be interesting to see if George Christensen and other like-minded MP’s change ships when Cory’s new-party policies are announced. Pauline is already making her presence felt in a big way in the upcoming W.A state elections (via preference deals). I reckon the Greens, Labor and the Liberals have got it coming to them (especially if Turnbull isn’t replaced soon with a credible conservative leader – you’re right, he’s useless).
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:18pm
doggone7

Scott @ FEBRUARY 13, 2017 3:32PM

“… Trump puts out a figure that might be slightly an exaggeration but there is such a thing called hyperbola which is exaggeration for effect.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/07/politics/donald-trump-murder-rate-fact-check/

Is there also a thing called “being a lying bastard to deceive people and create the wrong impression to advantage oneself?”
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February 13, 2017 7:52pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  I just couldn’t resist …
  
  Wikipedia Hyperbola Page
  
  This article is about a geometric curve. For the term used in rhetoric, see Hyperbole.
  
  In mathematics, a hyperbola (plural hyperbolas or hyperbolae) is a type of smooth curve lying in a plane, defined by its geometric properties or by equations for which it is the solution set…
  
  BTW, all the Trumpkins will vote you down. You can’t impugn their messiah! I voted you up. 🙂
  
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  February 13, 2017 8:34pm
  - fernglas
    
    “a type of smooth curve lying in a plane, “.. I know he’s smooth (he told us so), I know he lies and that he probably does that on AirForce 1 as much as anywhere, but how does the term “curve” work? Voice recognition software? Should it be “smooth perv lying in a plane”?
    
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    February 13, 2017 9:28pm
Southern Raider

Just watching ABC in Australia and they have a panel discussion about power supply grid issues in Australia and renewable options

One of the panelists is from the Australian Women’s Muslim Federation. WTF?
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February 13, 2017 8:33pm
- fernglas
  
  Does being Muslim mean you aren’t allowed an opinion on renewable energy?
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:29pm
- kowtow
  
  ABC
  
  Anyone But Caucasian.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:57pm
- Gabby
  
  Not one of the Oil Selling Muslim Women, I guess.
  
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  February 13, 2017 10:04pm
Viking2

In a press release issued October, 2014, Town said: “Ms Bright has made wild and inaccurate accusations about the Council and its probity and is using this as the basis for not paying her fair share to the ongoing running of Auckland. These assertions are completely unfounded and her actions are at the expense of all Aucklanders.”

Bright filed a defamation claim that December saying Town had tried to discredit her personally, and that his statements were designed to cause maximum distress and damage to her reputation.

Town sought a summary judgment against her to end the proceedings and in a High Court issued judgment released to media on Monday, Justice Smith granted the application.

He concluded that no properly directed jury would find any ill will in Town’s comments, nor that he took advantage of his platform, and said the defence of qualified privilege applied.

“The law is clear that a person who has been subject to a personal attack of that nature…is robustly entitled to defend his or her position,” Justice Smith said.

“In my view the words used were relatively measured when considered against the strength of some of the language used by Ms Bright in her attacks on the Council and Mr Town, and they were directed only to statements made by Ms Bright on a particular topic.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/89370238/Penny-Brights-defamation-suit-against-Auckland-Council-chief-dismissed

Hmm well taurangians have another opinion.
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February 13, 2017 8:41pm
nasska

Donald Trump has announced that America is going to get tough on countries known to harbour Islamic terrorists.

France has already surrendered.
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February 13, 2017 8:51pm
- BananaLlama
  
  I feel sorry for the French they are held hostage by a metropolitan elite that would rather let the country burn than admit they were wrong.
  
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  February 13, 2017 9:54pm
Manolo

Swedish feminists surrender to the evil mullahs:
http://www.rojikurd.net/en/2017/02/12/walk-of-shame-swedens-first-feminist-government-don-hijabs-in-iran/

Trade minister Ann Linde and other members of Sweden’s “first feminist government in the world” walked past Iranian President Rouhani yesterday as they covered their hair in compliance with Iran’s compulsory hijab law, despite Stockholm’s promise to promote “a gender equality perspective” internationally, and to adopt a “feminist foreign policy” in which “equality between women and men is a fundamental aim.”

https://www.unwatch.org/walk-shame-swedens-first-feminist-government-don-hijabs-iran/
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February 13, 2017 10:17pm
Manolo

The opinion of an unabashed liberal:
http://thehill.com/opinion/juan-williams/319139-juan-williams-trump-and-gop-collide-with-reality
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