General Debate 07 February 2017

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mikenmild

GD, at last!
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February 7, 2017 2:24pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  I emailed DPF once I noticed. Normally, I’ve noticed a lot earlier in the day, but this time around I’ve been busy all morning. Once I emailed him, GD was up within 20 minutes.
  
  So, to everyone, if GD is missing, email DPF. Put something in the subject line of email to make it clear that it’s today’s GD, so David doesn’t have to spend time opening the email to see what it’s about.
  
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  February 7, 2017 2:33pm
Biscuit

So sad to hear that Joost van der Westhuizen died overnight…

Why is it that just about all the foreign Rugby players I deeply respect all played at Halfback, eh?

Danie Craven
Joost
Gareth Edwards
Nick Farr-Jones
George Gregan
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February 7, 2017 2:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  And so young at 45 .
  
  RIP Joost !
  
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  February 7, 2017 2:34pm
- dime
  
  yeah, very sad. he fought hard though and god bless him for that.
  
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  February 7, 2017 2:37pm
- mikenmild
  
  RIP. There was a good radio interview with him a few days ago, although I can’t find a link to it now. His speech had got very bad, but was interpreted by his brother.
  A great rugby player – one of those opponents All Blacks fans simply loved to hate. An even greater man for the way in which he conducted himself in the face of debilitating illness and an inevitable early death.
  
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  February 7, 2017 2:41pm
- Garbageman
  
  Yep just heard a snippet from when Jonah a good m8 of his visited him in hospital and Joost asked him how he knew him (remember he had motor neuron disease) and Jonah had to explain again how he was the one that stopped a match & world cup winning try- will try to find a link
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:07pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/89143920/shelley-crooks-pleased-to-be-reunited-with-family-after-six-weeks-in-west-coast-bush

She clearly wanted to be “lost”.

Anywhere on the West Coast just head downstream and you’ll soon get to the main road and civilisation.
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February 7, 2017 2:38pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Sad to say that she was said to be “disoriented”, something’s not right, but she also had an injured leg and couldn’t travel very far.
  
  But that’s a long time to survive on “bush tucker”.
  
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  February 7, 2017 2:56pm
- Garbageman
  
  this could be an interesting yarn the mother was on the radio explaining that the father used to take them out (going bush) from a very early age and often leave them alone overnight so she is apparently quite bush savvy although 6 weeks would test the most hardened bush enthusiast without adequate supplies much more to come I believe or it could just be a good ol tough Kiwi chick of the non snowflake variety
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:15pm
- Chuck Bird
  
  cmm, I asked you what experience you had in the bush and you did not respond. Anywhere in NZ just followed a stream of a river downstream is not a smart thing to do.
  
  I am not expert but I have gone with a group bush bashing with an experienced search and rescue man leading. He strongly advised against it. I could give the reasons but I would be wasting my time.
  
  Shelley Crooks made some initial mistakes but did the right things to get to a track.
  
  I was really surprised when she was found. I think many people were. To say she wanted to be lost is just stupid.
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:53pm
  - cmm
    
    I actually do have heaps of experience in the bush. I have also been lost in the mountains, once even ending up in the wrong country for an hour or so because I followed the wrong valley.
    
    In almost all places in the world following a river downstream will take you to civilization.
    
    There are of course some exceptions (especially n NZ there are places where this would not work), but in this area it holds true.
    
    She was on the west coast – somewhere near Punakaiki. All rivers in the area take you to SH6. So does heading West.
    
    She clearly had enough bush savvy to know that.
    
    Thus the only explanation is that she decided (for whatever reason) to be “lost”.
    
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    February 7, 2017 4:33pm
    - Chuck Bird
      
      So you think this woman is making everything up? I thought initially she may have been like some people who go for a tramp and do not leave clear plans and there is a search for them and they have come out of the bush and say they did not consider anyone was looking for them.
      
      I know is the NI you follow ridges as best you can. You go down the gullies and if you do not come to a waterfall you often get to a very steep sided gully and bush and supplejack make it very hard to make progress.
      
      Tourist describes finding an emaciated Shelley Crooks in the bush
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11796181
      
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      February 7, 2017 9:47pm
      - cmm
        
        You certainly can find gullies and waterfalls like that in many places in NZ.
        
        But not in the Punakaiki area. That’s pretty easy country with many paths and has a lot of walkers coming through every day – particularly in the holiday period.
        
        Go look on http://maps.doc.govt.nz/mapviewer/index.html?viewer=docmaps
        
        Is she making it up? She clearly had some emotional/mental disconnect and wanted to be away from society for a bit. I hope she gets better soon: mental anguish is a terrible affliction.
        
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        February 8, 2017 5:02pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  My long departed Dad (shot my first stag when I was 12 you know) used to say you can not get lost in the bush. He asked “how far can you go into the bush?” Answer – half way coz after that you are coming out. Disorientated? Keep traveling in the same direction and you will hit the coast
  
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  February 7, 2017 6:01pm
  - cmm
    
    There are certainly many places in NZ where you can get pretty badly lost and “bluffed” so you get stuck.
    
    The West Coast around Punakaiki is not one of those.
    
    At no time was she likely to have been more than 7km from SH6 and it’s pretty obvious to get there: head West or follow any river. Easy walking. Even with a hurt leg it’s easy crawling.
    
    That area is also has a lot of walkers through it especially with heaps of people going up the Fox river to the Ballroom etc.
    
    Unless you go really far East (10km+) over the Paparoa Range you’re in very easy country most of the time and can see the sea from or even the road from most high spots. At night you would even see car lights and probably hear trucks.
    
    If her kit got swept away that means she was near a reasonably sturdy stream/river. Probably the Fox or Dilemma.
    
    The only conclusion you can draw is that she was actively hiding (for some reason or other).
    
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    February 8, 2017 4:54pm
Captain Mainwaring

Very good speech by the PM at the opening of Parliament.
In contrast, I gave up trying to listen to Angry’s response. Loud, incoherent, negative and totally irrelevant.
What a tosser that guy is.
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February 7, 2017 2:39pm
- davo
  
  You are not wrong there Captain I been saying that since he wiggled his way into Parliament ,couldn’t even win a seat .
  
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  February 7, 2017 6:52pm
Chuck Bird

Another excellent article by Alan Duff. If Winston could get him on board NZF could get 15%+

Alan Duff: No one is without guilt in this business

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11795505
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February 7, 2017 2:40pm
- cmm
  
  Nobody should feel guilt for what their forefathers did in the past.
  
  Guilt of this sort is a destructive emotion – it does not help anyone.
  
  Still Alan Duff makes some very good points. If you’re going to throw blame around and some of it bounces back, then you need to wear it.
  
  I don’t feel guilty that my grandmother and her family clubbed seals in Canada about 100 years ago.
  
  Nor do I feel guilty about what might or might not have happened to Maori in the 1800s or 1900s.
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:30pm
  - GoVege
    
    As Jesus said, we are all sinners, but we need to keep trying to be better.
    But some people just don’t even try.
    And many present day cultures legitimize cruelty and brutality.
    
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    February 7, 2017 5:34pm
  - Nermal
    
    Both my parents were in Japanese concentration camps. They suffered terribly.
    
    I could take up their cause and bitterly demand compensation for my less than perfect upbringing and subsequent alcohol and drug dependency, or I could let it go, deal with my problems, and be happy to drive a Mazda. My choice.
    
    I chose the latter and I’m happy with my life.
    
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    February 7, 2017 6:56pm
- GoVege
  
  Very true Chuck.
  Whatever Pakeha did to Maori pales into insignificance compared to what they did to each other, or Moriori.
  Strangely enough, a while back some part- Moriori took a case against Maori for slaughtering their ancestors. The Maori response was to deny them compensation on the grounds that they beat them fairly and squarely by conquest!
  Maori have also tried the tactic of re-writing history and denying they ever committed the heinous crimes that were well documented.
  They must think Pakeha are such mugs for not only owning up…but shelling out billions in compo.
  
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  February 7, 2017 5:25pm
Dave Mann

There’s a very good opinion piece on CNN outlining how Trump is acting to destabilize America’s judiciary, it’s security agencies and its media organizations.

Far from being a rant by a ‘singer’ at the superbowl, or a call to riot, this is a very well argued and intelligent piece and I think its worth reading.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/02/04/opinions/donald-trumps-most-bone-chilling-tweet-obeidallah-opinion/

EDIT: yeah yeah I know, the writer is probably a Muslim… but that doesn’t detract from what he says IMHO
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February 7, 2017 2:44pm
- Ed Snack
  
  CNN still takes its orders from the Democrat party. Trump’s comments still don’t measure up to the disgrace of Obama criticizing SCOTUS to their faces at his address. Now that was crass and disgraceful.
  
  When you read it, the writer says “the Judiciary is the last chance to prevent Trump grabbing power….” so you can see the ideological idiocy on full display. Trump is far more respectful of the constitution than Obama ever was, and the MSM NEVER complained about Obama (that would be racist I guess).
  
  It’s rather amusing finding out just how sudden and complete is the left’s conversion to a constitution respecting and separation of powers worshipping group from one that just idolized the “I have a pen…” approach of Obama.
  
  The whole country is served when the press takes its responsibilities seriously as a guardian of free speech and the rule of law, pity they only do so when there’s a Republican in power.
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:03pm
  - itstricky
    
    When your president tweets out half baked shit that shows he doesn’t understand how Government works, it’s the other guy’s fault, then?
    
    When your president tweets out half baked shit that suggests he doesn’t respect the legislative selection process because people disagree with him, that’s the other guy’s fault?
    
    When your president tweets out patently incorrect end-of-the-world hyperbole about “law enforcement being taken” that’s the other guy’s fault?
    
    I’m sure you’ve got better rationale than that.
    
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    February 7, 2017 3:11pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  So you’re a fan of the Clinton News Network. eh?
  
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  February 7, 2017 5:45pm
  - MCos
    
    Is that the best you can do?
    Do you think bit of name calling is all the response that’s needed to this article?
    
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    February 7, 2017 6:33pm
kowtow

Funny how the media party kept screaming Abbott Abbott Abbott but are so silent over Turnbull.

I reckon Turnbull’s a gonner.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/the-pulse-live/politics-live-cory-bernardi-quits-turnbull-government-as-parliament-returns-for-the-year-20170206-gu6xcc.html
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February 7, 2017 2:53pm
- Manolo
  
  The pinko Turnbull is history, but does not know it yet.
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:40pm
- MickMac
  
  hope so.
  
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  February 7, 2017 5:55pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Climate adjusters’ work coming under scrutiny
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/6/noaa-agrees-review-claim-data-manipulation-climate/

Yet another bunch of scientists who have adjusted the data, published a rushed paper, then lost the adjustments, crashed the computer and picked up a big cheque as the boss exits the party.
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February 7, 2017 3:12pm
- billr
  
  Don’t get too excited, this chap Bates had nothing to do with the NOAA re-evaluation.
  
  Have a look at this,
  
  https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-pause-in-ocean-warming/
  
  There’s a video from Zeke Hausfather that summarises the work that was done if you don’t want to read it.
  
  the essence of the matter is that they are now using buoys, and eliminating engine inlet temperature measurements on ships, which had a hot bias.
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:58pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    The NOAA “pause-buster” adjustment story is gaining traction in the MSM.
    
    Just another example of dodgy work in Climate change science
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/the-times/climate-change-politics-and-science-are-a-toxic-combination/news-story/89da1b787fff9481f2f6ece000b880c4
    
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    February 7, 2017 4:58pm
    - billr
      
      and there’s more,
      
      Bates designed an overly complicated set of procedures for climate data archiving.
      He got upper management at NOAA to sign on because the charts looked pretty.
      There were huge delays in implementation because of software problems and more.
      The process was a huge time sink.
      But it had the virtue of making Bates the Gatekeeper.
      Others were not happy with this.
      They had science they wanted to publish so they found a way around Gatekeeper Bates.
      Gatekeeper Bates went crying to Lamar Smith.
      Drumpf becomes president
      Denialists need an issue and cast about.
      
      https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02/article-names-whistleblower-who-told-congress-that-noaa-manipulated-data/
      
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      February 7, 2017 5:42pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Ahh – the old ad hominem. Couple of questions:
        1/ did the NOAA archive the data (as required by the publication)
        2/ can it be replicated now?
        3/ do the processes and choices used in the paper stand up to close scrutiny now.
        4/ was the paper rushed through to provide some ammunition for activists to push an alarmist agenda at Paris in 2015?
        5/ why are you defending the indefensible?
        
        Bad politicised science is bad politicised science. This is just another (egregious) example of Climate Lyshenkoism
        
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        February 7, 2017 7:30pm
- MickMac
  
  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/climategate-2-heating-data-exaggerated-by-noaa/news-story/5081f9858ca53e43b9431fca453b4d54
  
  Troughers the lot of them.
  Theft of taxpayers monies.
  Should have been used for taxpayers directly.
  
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  February 7, 2017 5:57pm
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
What are the other Mt Albert by-election candidates doing?

This is what I’m doing Kiwibloggers, to help ensure ratepayer and citizens’ lawful right to transparency and democratic accountability are implemented and enforced – regarding the spending of public monies on private consultants and contractors:

“Speaking rights confirmed for Penny Bright at next Auckland Transport Board meeting 16 February 2017.”

The next AT Board meeting is scheduled as follows:

DATE: Thursday 16 February 2017
TIME: 2.00pm
VENUE: AMP Building, Level 17, Mairangi Room, 29 Customs St West

“This is going to be, in my opinion, a HUGE development in ensuring that ratepayers’ and citizens’ lawful rights to transparency and accountability in the spending of public monies on private consultants and contractors, are fully implemented and upheld,” says ‘anti-corruption campaigner’ and 2017 Independent Mt Albert by-election candidate, Penny Bright.

“My subject matter for this Auckland Transport Board meeting, is as follows:

Having spent days over the Christmas break, studying the ‘Reasons for the Verdict of Fitzgerald J’, I wish to raise key concerns that arise from the facts and evidence, upon which Justice Sally Fitzgerald relied in her Judgment.

( https://www.courtsofnz.govt.nz/cases/r-v-borlase-reasons/@@images/fileDecision )

1) The need for Auckland Transport to fully comply with the Public Records Act 2005, particularly section 17, and to make transparent and available for public scrutiny the details of ALL awarded contracts, including those under $50,000, and including ALL those sub-contracted.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

17 Requirement to create and maintain records

(1) Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.
__________________________

(Please be advised that I have raised my concerns directly with the Local Government and Environment Select Committee, regarding the lack of transparency with Auckland Council Controlled Organisations (CCOs), which included Auckland Transport.

Petition 2014/33 of Penelope Mary Bright and 55 others, and Report from the Controller and Auditor-General, Governance and accountability of council-controlled organisations.

a) Here is the Local Government and Environment Select Committee’s Report on my above-mentioned petition:

https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-NZ/51DBSCH_SCR69296_1/924613ec7fb831c4e74bd062f73287ac2ceb5081

b) Here is my evidence which I presented to the Local Government and Environment Select Committee:

https://www.parliament.nz/resource/en-NZ/51SCLGE_EVI_51DBHOH_PET66634_1_A494444/90cd29f5accdd6dca8189fcddce8fa662e07a62b

I would like members of the Board of Auckland Transport to please study both this Local Government and Environment Select Committee Report, and the evidence I provided, before I attend the AT Board meeting on 20 February 2017? )

2) The need to cease the ‘collaborative’ model for contracting, given that it has proven to ‘breed corruption’.

3) The need for the Board of AT to urgently review the ‘private procurement’ model for the provision of passenger transport services, and for related services provided by Auckland Transport, regarding ‘cost-effectiveness’, ‘transparency’ and ‘accountability’, bearing in mind the statutory obligations arising from the underpinning Act upon which Auckland Transport was established, namely the Local Government (Auckland Council) Act 2009:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2009/0032/80.0/DLM2363310.html

40 Operating principles

In meeting its principal objective (as a council-controlled organisation) under section 59 of the Local Government Act 2002, and in performing its functions, Auckland Transport must—

(a) establish and maintain processes for Māori to contribute to its decision-making processes; and

(b) operate in a financially responsible manner and, for this purpose, prudently manage its assets and liabilities and endeavour to ensure—

(i) its long-term financial viability; and

(ii) that it acts as a successful going concern; and

(c) use its revenue efficiently and effectively, and in a manner that seeks value for money; and

(d) ensure that its revenue and expenditure are accounted for in a transparent manner; and

(e) ensure that it acts in a transparent manner in making decisions under this Act and the Land Transport Management Act 2003.
Section 40: substituted, on 1 November 2010, by section 31 of the Local Government (Auckland Council) Amendment Act 2010 (2010 No 36).
…”
_________________________

Penny Bright
………

‘Anti-privatisation / anti-corruption campaigner’.

(2017 Independent candidate Mt Albert by-election.)
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February 7, 2017 3:23pm
- sooty
  
  Christ Penny how do you expect people to read that much shit. Just down ticked it and moved on.
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:26pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Mad, barking mad.
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:30pm
- jims_whare
  
  Good on ya Penny.
  
  You deserve all the 35 votes you are going to get.
  
  Keep up the delusional hard work
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:30pm
- cmm
  
  “blaah blaah blaah a HUGE development in ensuring that ratepayers blaah blaah blaah”
  
  You do know that ratepayers are …. people… that… pay… rates?
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:35pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    Quite so cmm. So how can Penny purport to speak on behalf of ratepayers, when she has made a wilful, calculated and deliberate choice not to be one of their number?
    
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    February 7, 2017 3:56pm
    - Manolo
      
      Because parasitical things have no memory. That’s why.
      
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      February 7, 2017 3:59pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  What’s that? Come support you on Thursday at 2pm?
  
  Sure I’ll do that.
  
  Oh wait I’ve got a fucking job Penny, as does pretty much every other person on this blog, so can’t spend time being a professional “activist.”
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:48pm
  - holysheet
    
    Stupidboys will be there offering their support. Look for the ones with the sheets over their heads. They can get all colours at the Mt Roskill markets now days
    
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    February 7, 2017 4:08pm
  - PhilBest
    
    It is one of the sad things with so-called “community participation” and “democratic consultation” processes, especially favoured by local government, that almost all the input is from the non-employed with too much time on their hands. Almost all such people seem to be Green fanatics and lefties.
    
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    February 7, 2017 4:27pm
- Rich Prick
  
  Penny, I think we’ve all scrolled past that crap before. Alzheimer’s perhaps?
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:55pm
- simpleton1
  
  create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out
  
  You mean to follow your example?
  Like cleaning out bank accounts, with out properly constituted and recorded meetings, that are audited and by whom? yeah right ! Yours truly?
  https://occupysavvy.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/penny-bright-fails-to-co-opt-occupy-auckland-again/
  Like contracting out of paying rates?
  Still “angle grinding” water meters?
  Still on the take for “free water”?
  
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  February 7, 2017 4:00pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
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  February 7, 2017 6:06pm
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck Off.
  
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  February 7, 2017 9:18pm
sooty

Had a good weekend of shame free. Only maori thing was Winston getting booted off. What a lovely day off, should be renamed though.
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February 7, 2017 3:24pm
- waikatogirl
  
  We visited some old friends. Had lunch, saw their lovely house renovations and pretty garden.
  
  Didn’t waste any time thinking about Waitangi day
  
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  February 7, 2017 6:55pm
Manolo

Sharia law anyone?
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/762752/Sharia-Law-Iranian-judge-woman-blinded-eye-for-eye-retribution

The country’s Supreme Court made the decision after the defendant, who has not been named, carried out an acid attack which left her victim without sight.

The woman threw acid in the face of her victim, Sima, in Dehdasht a city in the south-west of the Middle East country, two years ago, according to the Iranian news agency Tasnim.

Head of the country’s judiciary Majid Karami said: “The sentence to blindness in one eye, payment of blood money [compensation], and seven years [of] imprisonment have been confirmed by the highest court.”
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February 7, 2017 3:30pm
peterwn

Re Aussie cocaine bust – Kiwi skipper’s wife says he was duped into it. He was carrying a 1.4 tonne cargo in his yacht. Wonder how much he was offered to carry it? Someone who carries a 1.4 tonne cargo in the circumstances without asking some pointed questions must have holes in his head. No doubt he will do a decent stretch in Long Bay or Goulburn before being deported back to NZ.
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February 7, 2017 3:33pm
- cmm
  
  His wife insists he is innocent and was just tricked by someone else.
  
  But it looks like he has been duped before too!
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/89138860/accused-kiwi-cocaine-smuggler-hamish-thompson-had-imported-drugs-before
  
  Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.
  
  One wonders how a bloke stupid enough to get fooled into being a drug carrier still is intelligent enough to earn enough to buy a trans-oceanic yacht.
  
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  February 7, 2017 3:40pm
  - peterwn
    
    To avoid a repeat of the previous fiasco, hope the judge drinks plenty of coffee and has a good supply of No-Doz tablets during the trial.
    
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    February 7, 2017 5:02pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Didn’t know, yeah right.
  What did he think was happening when the bales of cocaine were being loaded on his yacht from a ship in the middle of the Pacific Ocean!
  
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  February 7, 2017 6:58pm
Jimbo

Anyone seen Darien Fenton’s comments slamming Little over Willie Jackson.
She’s not a happy camper at the Standard
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February 7, 2017 3:39pm
stephieboy

Rather joyous isn’t now that Trump has lost his appeal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-05/block-of-travel-ban-appealed-after-trump-slams-so-called-judge

He will no doubt be wimpering and whinging on Twitter t and many of his looney supporters will be of course be saying the Jewish Blillionaire Soros has his fingerprints all over it !
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February 7, 2017 3:44pm
- Longknives
  
  I saw the film Patriot’s Day today.
  It’s an excellent watch- Really hammers home why Trump is absolutely correct in being reluctant about letting any more Bloodthirsty Muslims into his Country..
  It also hammers home what pathetic, gutless cowards they are. Getting their kicks out of murdering young children..
  
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  February 7, 2017 5:13pm
- rangitoto
  
  The appeals court haven’t ruled yet. They are hearing arguments on Tuesday afternoon.
  
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  February 7, 2017 5:17pm
- Nookin
  
  I think you have come early Stephie. You should try not to get so excited during foreplay.
  
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  February 7, 2017 8:07pm
Jack5

A street knifing of strangers by a Somali in London resembles a Somali knifing of strangers in Christchurch a few years ago.

The London knifer is actually a Norwegian Somali – a Norwegian whose parents are Somali. He killed an American woman and injured five other people, including two Aussies.

Prosecutors said the assailant was suffering an “acute” episode of paranoid schizophrenia at the time. The Christchurch attacker was described similarly.

I’m wondering whether posts from Team Stephieboys should pass through a metal detector before they appear on Kiwiblog.

The NZ case:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/6583958/Somali-family-offers-sympathy

The London case:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/teen-admits-to-fatal-london-knife-rampage-which-left-australians-injured-20170206-gu6unb.html
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February 7, 2017 5:20pm
- Inandout
  
  Somalians are generally mad and are probably the worst type of Muslim you could invite to a street near you.
  
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  February 7, 2017 5:44pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    So why do we have to pay for that loony Somali woman hijacker to live at our expense in the nuthouse until she dies?
    Cost of return trip to Mogadishu on RNZAF 757?
    About 50K.
    The PM’s not using it at the moment. Why can’t it take off tomorrow?
    
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    February 7, 2017 7:52pm
    - rightoverlabour
      
      No use a Herc. Once over the Tasman declare an emergency and jetisone the cargo…
      
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      February 7, 2017 9:22pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      This article is about her “story”.
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/88114181/Somali-refugee-hijacker-Asha-Ali-Abdille-tells-court-her-story-of-survival
      
      In retrospect, it seems unwise to have brought this young woman into the country when she had no family here to support/advise her. If her story is to be believed, it looks like she was viewed as an available commodity to some bloke(s).
      
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      February 7, 2017 10:00pm
      - GoVege
        
        Why would anyone believe anything this woman says after her incredibly brutal attack on the pilots of a small plane and attempts to kill everyone on board?
        I recall reading that other Somalis give her a wide berth for good reason.
        The ingratitude of some of these refugees is beyond belief.
        Whoever was the moron who allowed her in should have the honour of escorting this ingrate back home.
        
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        February 8, 2017 12:13am
- Scorpion
  
  KUMBAYA my LORD KUMBAYA
  
  http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/it-seems-the-police-fooled-us-about-sudanese-crime/news-story/53eb1ca03a91a0bd29abeffab46562eb
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo9AH4vG2wA
  
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  February 7, 2017 11:07pm
Don the Kiwi

“Prosecutors said the assailant was suffering an “acute” episode of paranoid schizophrenia at the time.”

Perfect description of Muslims.
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February 7, 2017 5:44pm
Jack5

British Speaker John Bercow has barred President Trump from addressing Parliament, though he allowed the President of China to address it.

Bercow is a strange cove. He’s a Rightist rumoured to be on the point of defecting to Labour.

He was involved in the Parliamentary expenses scandal and had to repay thousands.

Nigel Farage, of UKIP, described Bercow this way: “This man represents all that is wrong with British politics today …”

Bercow’s wife switched her support from Conservative to Labour, and in the 1997 election is reported to have campaigned for both her husband and Labour.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4196814/Donald-Trump-faces-BANNED-speaking-Parliament.html
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February 7, 2017 5:59pm
Nookin

So, an arrest in the Orblax bugging case!
Was it Big Bruv? Maybe longknives? How will we ever know for sure? They did rubbish the notion rather vehemently as I recall. Too vehemently?
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February 7, 2017 6:41pm
- RF
  
  Reading between the lines it looks like the perp is someone hired by the ABs as a security consultant.
  
  If this is correct it’s all bloody confusing. It did not pass the smell test waiting for tew to arrive. It’s all ABs bull shit.
  
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  February 7, 2017 8:28pm
  - RF
    
    It is confirmed to be a security consultant hired by the ABs.
    
    It will be interesting to see Hansen wriggle out of this.
    
    Smells like mumble Fucks Labour Party snapper.
    
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    February 7, 2017 9:10pm
    - Nookin
      
      What is is there to wriggle out of? Are you suggesting that the Orblax were complicit, somehow? On the face of it, someone from an Aussie outfit,whom the Orblax trusted, decided to rat-fuck them. And you say it’s Hansens’s fault?
      
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      February 8, 2017 7:21am
- realityczech
  
  **************FAKE NEWS****************
  
  They are getting desperate to prop up the dying foreign owned commercial marketing gimmick that is the drug cheat AB’s
  
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  February 7, 2017 10:35pm
davo

question for you all … Isn’t it about time we changed the name of our National Holiday back to New Zealand Day as it should be about all Nzers and not just about Maori .
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February 7, 2017 6:55pm
- davo
  
  Why does it take so long for a question to be considered?
  
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  February 7, 2017 9:29pm
rangitoto

The Trump diet plan much better than Weight Watchers says actress.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2017/02/06/lena-dunham-soul-crushing-pain-trumps-election-caused-weight-loss/
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February 7, 2017 7:00pm
Happychappy

Does any one else think that the Telly tubby from the Greens is in Andrew Littles back pocket. I find it so amusing that when they went ape shit about John Key over his comments about rape in Question time last year this obese hypocrite had plenty to say and when John Key retired from being the Prime Minister who could forget that out burst. But when the Telly tubby is needed to back up the same MP’s that put their support behind her she is missing in action.
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February 7, 2017 7:05pm
- Gabby
  
  How’s the crappy diet working out chappy? Still living in sweatpants?
  
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  February 7, 2017 9:41pm
stigie

Only 64 comments so far today, perhaps we need Johnboy back here to thump it along a bit with the ever teasing young lady Lucia..?
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February 7, 2017 7:48pm
- Johnboy
  
  Jeeze stigie. I never thought my arsehole was worth that much to you! 🙂
  
  But I do enjoy the endorsement!! 🙂
  
  ps: Tell Lucia to wear her boots! 🙂
  
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  February 8, 2017 5:08pm
wiseowl

stigie
It’s part of a cunning plan to confuse the commenters with a late GD and a range of topics that have caused visitors to change habits.

Maybe something to do with pollies being back in Wellington/
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February 7, 2017 8:10pm
Jack5

About a thousand anti-Trump protesters wasting time in Auckland Aotea Square tonight, reports Radio NZ.

Will include a leavening of some of Auckland’s old communists – probably the world’s thickest Marxists.

When the Soviet Union got too soft for them, they switched allegiance to Mad Mao in time for his Great Leap Forward that killed tens of millions. When the Chinese Communists got too soft they switched allegiance to Albania.

Don’t know who they line up with now: North Korea? Cuba? Laos? Vietnam? Belarus?

But tonight they were waving anti-racism signs. Nothing to say, ever, about Chinese squeezing the Uighurs and Tibetans, of course. These atheist fuckwits wouldn’t care about Christians being jailed for reading the Bible in Communist Laos, either.

The Trump presidency has given them a chance to unleash again their latent, feral anti-Americanism.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/323997/kiwis-protest-trump's-'racist,-islamaphobic'-travel-bans
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February 7, 2017 10:14pm
- Scorpion
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk
  
  ‘and they have sown the wind and now they shall reap the whirlwind’.
  
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  February 7, 2017 11:22pm
Jack5

Scorpion – still stuck in the Vietnam war era are you? Pacifism, perhaps partly financed like the CND anti-nuclear movement by the Soviets, drugs, marches with shouts and placards, and free love. That was okay. It was the self-righteous claims to the moral high ground that grated on many of the rest of us.

Two sides suffered. Remember the hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese who, in tiny “blue boats” – little more than big sampans – braved drowning, pirates, murder, robbery, and rape to escape the new communist masters.

Who sowed that wind?
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February 7, 2017 11:54pm
Manolo

Advanced old age, enfeebled brain:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/07/nancy-pelosi-says-cant-work-with-president-bush.html

A day after House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., was grilled by “Meet The Press” host Chuck Todd on whether her party’s leadership was out of touch with the current political climate, the nearly three-decade veteran of Congress mistakenly referred to President Trump as “President Bush.”
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