General Debate 7 January 2017

Email
Facebook
Twitter
Comment253

Uncategorized
General Debate

Comments (253)

Login to comment or vote

Viking2

No wonder no one lives in the Naki. Its bloody freezing down here.

Mind you house prices are a good reason. Traffic is another.
16 4
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:04am
- Scott
  
  The naki is awesome, old home town, visiting there tomorrow.
  
  5 5
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 8:56am
Inandout

I wonder what response Trump will have to this incident if it proves terrorist related? No mincing and dodging around the word Islam like Obama.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/5273223446001/?#sp=show-clips
13 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:11am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Destroy the airport with a mini nuke ?
  
  2 40
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 8:20am
  - Longknives
    
    Love your work Stephieboy! Just confirms everything I always suspected about the IQ of those on the Left..
    
    36 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:07am
    - kowtow
      
      Not so sure about stephie being lefty, what I am sure of is that it’s an all out troll and fuckwit.
      
      26 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:44am
- itstricky
  
  Yep, I expect he will focus on the important issues around it, as every effective leader does:
  
  https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/817348644647108609
  
  4 13
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 8:20am
- PhilBest
  
  I must see if I can find the vid on YouTube again. A TV show in the USA was having this discussion about whether Islam was a threat or not, and there were the usual “moderate Muslim” guests on it including some thoroughly modern women. The show, halfway through, put on by long-distance link, a very eloquent Imam from London, who launched into a tirade against the “moderate Muslims” on the show – the women should have their heads covered, they are not true Muslims any more than a “moderate vegetarian” can be a true vegetarian…! Quite a clever analogy, I thought, and worth spreading at every opportunity.
  
  He also said all true Muslims desire the flag of the Caliphate to fly over whatever nation they are in, including Britain, the USA, etc
  
  37 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 8:23am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Phil Best , do try !
    
    2 44
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 8:30am
  - Inandout
    
    I would use the term ‘moderately pregnant’ as an analogy for the elusive ‘moderate Muslim’.
    
    31 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 8:33am
  - itstricky
    
    Quite a clever analogy, I thought, and worth spreading at every opportunity.
    
    OK. There’s no such thing as a moderate Christian. Discuss.
    
    7 28
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 8:40am
    - PhilBest
      
      Was Mohammed ever commonly referred to in Islamic Holy Writ, as “the Lamb of Allah”?
      
      19 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 8:47am
      - stephieboy
        
        Phil Best , like
        
        “I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword” ?
        
        Mathew 10:34
        
        3 31
        Report
        January 7, 2017 8:54am
      - PhilBest
        
        Carry on, Stephie, give us the context – the next few verses.
        
        Of course we can’t say Christ was talking figuratively, unlike Mohammed whose whole life was marked by peaceful actions towards all men.
        
        21 4
        Report
        January 7, 2017 8:56am
      - Paulus
        
        Would have made good lamb chops perhaps – should have been.
        
        8 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:00am
      - stephieboy
        
        Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
        PhiBest , and the Spanish Conquest of the New World under the Cross was a peace mission ?
        
        http://d2cib3g5x5eqti.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/MISSIONE10-X.jpg
        
        3 33
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:01am
      - holysheet
        
        Mohammed is like stupidboy, a “Casual” muslim.
        
        17 3
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:01am
      - PhilBest
        
        “… the Spanish Conquest of the New World under the Cross…”
        
        Easy to see that that would have happened regardless of whatever religion the King of Spain claimed to be subscribing to at the time. Yeah, the history of “christianity” is blackened by its misrepresentation in the hands of worldly establishments indistinguishable from what preceded or might have existed instead.
        
        Tell us where the potential lies for a “Reformation” in any faith that is still, in the 21st century, behaving like a geopolitical imperialistic movement?
        
        14 4
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:12am
    - Inandout
      
      I refer back to the President of Turkey’s comment that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, in fact he is offended by the term.
      
      28 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 8:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout , when did he say that and if need be context ?
        
        0 28
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:04am
      - GoVege
        
        He would be.
        Erdy is offended by everything.
        But what else can you expect from a wankerer from Ankara?
        
        17 0
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:05am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        PM Erdogan: The Term “Moderate Islam” Is Ugly And Offensive; There Is No Moderate Islam; Islam Is Islam
        Speaking at Kanal D TV’s Arena program, PM Erdogan commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”
        Source: Milliyet, Turkey, August 21, 2007
        
        5 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 2:48pm
    - Nukuleka
      
      One is either a Christian or not a Christian. I have never in my life heard anyone referred to as a ‘moderate Christian’. If you are wishing to ‘discuss’ please provide references.
      
      9 5
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:23am
      - artemisia
        
        Usually called Anglicans.
        
        9 0
        Report
        January 7, 2017 11:19am
      - jonar
        
        So you’re happy to have the Westboro Baptists included as normal examples of Christianity?
        
        5 0
        Report
        January 7, 2017 11:29am
      - Harriet
        
        “….usually called Angilcans….”
        
        And Calvanists. 😎
        
        2 3
        Report
        January 7, 2017 12:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Harriet, you seriously call yoursef a “moderate ” ?
        
        Well I never ..!
        
        Didn’t you one time disclosed a preference for Dictators ?
        
        0 7
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:32pm
      - Griff
        
        No true Scotsman fallacy.
        There are moderate Muslims and extremist Christians .
        One thing you can honestly say.
        No such thng as a rational god whacker
        Muslim ,Christian or Satanist they are all deluded .
        
        4 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 7:19pm
      - itstricky
        
        If you are wishing to ‘discuss’ please provide references.
        
        One is either a Christian or not a Christian.
        
        Are these people Christians?
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism
        
        Are these people Christians?
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westboro_Baptist_Church
        
        Are these people Christians?
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(United_States)
        
        Dylan Roof has been in the news again recently. Supposedly he was a Lutheran. Is he a Christian?
        
        http://thesaltcollective.org/when-i-found-out-dylann-roof-was-raised-in-my-church/
        
        1 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 10:00pm
    - CharlieBrown
      
      Or moderate socialist.
      
      6 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:26am
  - GoVege
    
    Moderation in all things I say, including vege’ness and especially nutty religions.
    BTW. …doesn’t that idiot imam’s talk about their flag flying over Britain qualify him for a charge of treason?
    Or do they just jail Brits who insult Islam over there?
    
    22 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 8:51am
    - Inandout
      
      Or jail Brit non Muslims for hanging a pork chop on a mosque door.
      
      17 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 8:59am
      - GoVege
        
        And kill them off in jail.
        
        5 2
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:25am
  - Scorpion
    
    READ
    
    8 November 1917
    
    ‘To all the Muslim workers of Russia and the East’, issued by the fledgling Soviet government on 24 November 1917, stated:
    
    Muslims of Russia…all you whose mosques and prayer houses have been destroyed, whose beliefs and customs have been trampled upon by the tsars and oppressors of Russia: your beliefs and practices, your national and cultural institutions are forever free and inviolate. Know that your rights, like those of all the peoples of Russia, are under the mighty protection of the revolution…
    
    8 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:00am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scorpion , your point ?
      
      0 23
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:05am
      - PhilBest
        
        I get it, Commies cannot be trusted. Deep, but a good point, from Scorpion. They might seem to be your friend, but it is an “enemy of my enemy” alliance of convenience only.
        
        If their Long March espionage campaign in the west succeeds, you can forget about things like “the rights of indigenous peoples”.
        
        9 2
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:17am
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X, what is your point in repeatedly asking various posters, “What is your point?”
        
        It just makes you look pointless.
        
        8 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 12:39pm
      - stephieboy
        
        jack 5 , the reason is that things are not obviously clear.
        
        Thats the price for muddled and dsitorted thinking .
        
        0 9
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:34pm
    - Paulus
      
      One of the main reasons that the old Soviet Union broke up was that the Moslems in the Soviet Union were about to eclipse numerically the non Muslims.
      Look at the “Stan” countries which formed part of the Soviet Union.
      The Muslims as we now see can outbreed any other country.
      
      4 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:11pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Paulus, utter BS . Citations and sources ?
        
        0 7
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:34pm
    - Scorpion
      
      The Point is Communists/Marxists have used and abused Moslems from then and before that date and they do today.
      
      A bit like the fake weaponisation of Black Americans against white and the myth that Marxists like Nelson Mandela are going to do anything long term for Africa or Africans.
      
      Many Moslems have woken up to the fact that
      the left is infact prepared to “use” them again.
      
      Many in Syria have.
      
      Radical Violent Islam Communism and Socialism
      are two evil mutated twins that live together
      side by side always have and probably always will.
      
      If you kill all the opposition you succeed pretty simple really.
      
      Never Works but they are determined to give it
      another crack.
      
      You also get the added benefit of killing millions
      of christians on the way which appeals to many
      socialist psychopaths.
      
      0 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 10:54pm
  - Scorpion
    
    Valuable Reference
    
    http://www.Politcalislam.com
    
    http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
    
    http://gatesofvienna.net/
    
    https://www.jihadwatch.org/
    
    http://www.barenakedislam.com/
    
    Islam Happens
    Last year, there were at least 2,474 deadly Islamic terror attacks in 61 countries that claimed over 21,237 lives.
    
    All other world religions accounted for about four.
    
    22 4
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:13am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scorpion ,all crazy Muslim bashing websites and blogs ,
      
      http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/pamela-geller-and-robert-spencer-team-up-for-cpac-hate-fest/
      
      0 13
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:35pm
  - MH
    
    again inept at linking but the utube ref can be found under “should Americans fear Islam” abc oct 3 2010.
    
    2 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 10:43am
  - PhilBest
    
    Go to 11 minutes in this video
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsqECuYuiB8
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 12:41pm
- MCos
  
  Chap’s name is Esteban Santiago.
  
  2 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:22am
  - fernglas
    
    He probably changed it from Muhammad so he could run a CIA black Op false flag thing to discredit Mexicans; have you not noticed the coincidence with Trump’s difficulty with his promises about making the Mexicans pay for the wall? Reid, come in please.
    
    5 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 11:05am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  looks like it was an ex-military guy with mental health problems who believed he was following ISIS – so call it Islam inspired, even though he was an accident waiting to happen.
  
  1 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 7:51pm
  - stephieboy
    
    I dont think so from this report ,
    
    Who is Esteban Santiago?
    
    “The man suspected of killing five people Friday at Fort Lauderdale’s airport is identified as Esteban Santiago, according to multiple law enforcement officials.
    Santiago didn’t resist when he was taken into custody, Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel said.
    The 26-year-old lives in Alaska, where he was a security guard.
    
    Alaska was also the site of his last military assignment. He was a member of the Alaska Army National Guard from November 2014 until August when he was discharged for unsatisfactory performance, a spokeswoman for the guard said.
    In November, Santiago paid a visit to the FBI office in Anchorage, telling agents he was being directed by a US intelligence agency to fight for ISIS, law enforcement sources told CNN. George Piro, the special agent in charge in Miami, told reporters that Santiago was turned over to local authorities and he voluntarily submitted to a mental health evaluation.
    The military said Santiago’s nine years of service in the guard included one 10-month tour of Iraq, where he was awarded a combat action badge.”
    
    http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/06/us/fort-lauderdale-airport-incident/index.html
    
    0 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 7:59pm
stephieboy

Trump Admits US Will Fund His Border Wall ( but read the fine print )

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/88201341/donald-trump-
admits-us-will-fund-his-border-wall-but-says-mexico-will-pay
-back-costs-later
4 15
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:52am
- MH
  
  The only tender Trump will accept will be in Mexican Jumping Beans.
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:45am
PhilBest

C. S. Lewis; “Some Thoughts”; (this short essay was written in honour of the missionaries who founded “Our Lady Of Lourdes” hospital at Drogheda, Ireland, and was published in a local history booklet entitled “Ten Years Work of the Medical Missionaries of Mary”):

“At first sight nothing seems more obvious than that religious persons should care for the sick; no Christian building, except perhaps a church, is more self-explanatory than a Christian hospital. Yet on further consideration the thing is really connected with the undying paradox, the blessedly two-edged character, of Christianity. And if any of us were now encountering Christianity for the first time, he would be vividly aware of this paradox.

Let us suppose that such a person began by observing those Christian activities which are, in a sense, directed towards this present world. He would find that this religion had, as a mere matter of historical fact, been the agent which preserved such secular civilization as survived the fall of the Roman Empire; that to it Europe owes the salvation, in those perilous ages, of civilized agriculture, architecture, laws, and literacy itself. He would find that this same religion has always been healing the sick and caring for the poor; that it has, more than any other, blessed marriage; and that arts and philosophy tend to flourish in its neighbourhood. In a word, it is always doing, or at least repenting with shame for not having done, all the things which secular humanitarianism enjoins. If our inquirer stopped at this point, he would have no difficulty in classifying Christianity – giving it its place on a map of the great religions. Obviously (he would say), this is one of the world-affirming religions like Confucianism or the agricultural religions of the great Mesopotamian city states.

But how if our inquirer began (as he well might) with quite a different series of Christian phenomena? He might notice that the central image in all Christian art was that of a Man slowly dying by torture; that the instrument of His torture was the world-wide symbol of the Faith; that martyrdom was almost the specifically Christian action; that our calendar was as full of fasts as of feasts; that we meditated constantly on the mortality not only of ourselves but of the whole universe; that we were bidden to entrust our treasure to another world; and that even a certain disdain for the whole natural order had sometimes been reckoned a Christian virtue. And here, once again, if he knew no more, the inquirer would find Christianity quite easy to classify; but this time he would classify it as one of the world-denying religions. It would be pigeon-holed along with Buddhism.

Either conclusion would be justified if a man had only the one or the other half of the evidence before him. It is when he puts both halves together and sees that Christianity cuts right across the classification he was attempting to make – it is then that he first knows what he is up against, and I think he will be bewildered…

“…To Christians, the explanation of this two-edged character in their Faith seems obvious. They live in a graded or hierarchical universe where there is a place for everything and everything should be kept in its right place. The Supernatural is higher than the Natural, but each has its place; just as a man is superior to a dog, but a dog has its place. It is therefore, to us not at all surprising that healing for the sick and caring for the poor should be less important than (when they are, as sometimes happens, alternative to) the salvation of souls, and yet very important. Because God created the Natural – invented it out of His love and artistry – it demands our reverence; because it is only a creature and not He, it is from another point of view, of little account. And still more, because Nature, and especially human nature, is fallen it must be corrected and the evil within it must be mortified. But its essence is good; correction is something quite different from Manichaean repudiation or Stoic superiority. Hence, in Christian asceticism, that respect for the thing rejected which, I think, we never find in pagan asceticism…

“…This attitude will, I think, be found to depend logically on the doctrines of the Creation and the Fall. Some hazy adumbrations of a doctrine of the fall can be found in paganism; but it is astonishing how rarely outside of Christianity we find – I am not sure that we ever find – a real doctrine of Creation. In Polytheism the gods are usually the product of a universe already in existence….In Pantheism, the universe is never something that God made. It is an emanation, something that oozes out of him, or an appearance, something he looks like to us but really is not, or even an attack of incurable schizophrenia from which he is unaccountably suffering. Polytheism is always, in the long run, nature-worship; Pantheism always, in the long run, hostility to nature. None of these beliefs really leave you free both to enjoy your breakfast AND to mortify your inordinate appetites – much less to mortify appetites recognized as innocent at present lest they should become inordinate.

And none of them leaves anyone free to do what is being done in the Lourdes Hospital every day: to fight against death as earnestly, skilfully, and calmly as if you were a secular humanitarian while knowing all the time that death is, both for better and for worse, something that the secular humanitarian has never dreamed of. The world, knowing how all our real investments are beyond the grave, might expect us to be less concerned than other people who go in for what is called ‘Higher Thought’ and tell us that ‘death doesn’t matter’; but we are not high-minded, and we follow One who stood and wept at the grave of Lazarus….because death, the punishment of sin, is even more horrible in His eyes than in ours. The nature which He had created as God, the nature which He had assumed as Man, lay there before Him in its ignominy; a foul smell, food for worms…

“…Of all men, we hope most of death, yet nothing will reconcile us to – well, its unnaturalness. We know that we were not made for it; we know how it crept into our destiny as an intruder; and we know Who has defeated it. Because our Lord is risen we know that on one level it is an enemy already disarmed; but because we know that the natural level also is God’s creation we cannot cease to fight against the death which mars it, as against all those other blemishes upon it. against pain and poverty, barbarism and ignorance. Because we love something else more than this world we love even this world better than those who know no other.”
6 6
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:54am
- stephieboy
  
  Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
  Phil Best , a message there to ban , blame and demonise Muslims ?
  
  1 34
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 8:56am
  - Inandout
    
    Hopefully, when does it start?
    
    19 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:00am
    - stephieboy
      
      It wont oh deluded idiot !
      
      0 24
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:14am
  - PhilBest
    
    That “son of Hamas” guy – who converted to Christianity – nailed it. He says something like, if the west still had the faith and courage of its christian convictions, Islam would cease to exist within a decade. The current rage is an inferiority complex thing as much as anything else. The west having become decadent and politically correct, due to cultural Marxist Quislings, this emboldens a resurgent Islam – they really believe “Allah is delivering the infidel into our hands, having first made him mad”.
    
    29 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:02am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
      PhilBest , so how shall we go about banning or converting 1.6 billion Muslims ?
      
      You and this convert lead the charge ?
      
      1 33
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:07am
      - PhilBest
        
        Watch his vids on Youtube.
        
        EDIT: his point is, instead of pandering, the west should lets its position be defined by its strongest critics of Islam – who have fair and logical points. Muslims are being hurt by the truth even though suicidal western establishments are insisting it be shut down.
        
        21 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:19am
      - holysheet
        
        Why try and convert the unconvertable. Nothing a good nuking would’t fix. Those grains of sand will never be the same again.
        
        6 2
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        Phil Best , which video ?
        
        0 12
        Report
        January 7, 2017 10:56am
    - PhilBest
      
      “Son of Hamas” predicts Islam will collapse in 10 years
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uski5z50rmY
      
      5 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 12:45pm
      - stephieboy
        
        In ten years ? Counting down now . Keep us updated
        
        1 9
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:39pm
    - Kimbo
      
      Um, Philbest, there is nothing in that post of C S Lewis that is not believed also by Muslims.
      
      They too believe in a single omnipotent creator, who is transcendent from his creation. As such, like Christians and Jews, Muslims do not worship nature, and it is viewed as a place of predictable order in which God has placed us to live a life of meaning and purpose, in anticipation of a final restoration to perfection at the end of the age. As such, while we live subject to the fall, nonetheless, unlike pagans, nature is an environment to be celebrated, not feared.
      
      Or shorter version: Osama bin Laden, Ayatollah Khomeni and Muhammed would all shout “amen” to what C S Lewis wrote, and much less could have penned the same thoughts. But ok, your target in the first instance was not Islamists but the PC brigade who enable them. Convoluted and likely illogical when the doctrine (and Christian culture, aka Christendom, a politicised form of faith in the same vein as a Caliphate) you seek to uphold is also part of the Islamic creed.
      
      2 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:29pm
- SGA
  
  tl;dr
  
  9 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:06am
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep.
    
    Plus, to be honest, Jack Lewis is not my cup of tea when it comes to theology and Christian practice. Might be my Calvinist bias, but the all-to-ready ease with which he transitions from Common to Special Grace as if it is self-evident truth is Aquinas’ proofs for the existence of God rehashed again, and again, and again.
    
    Plus, is it just me, or is he like reading Beatrix Potter?
    
    1 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 12:41pm
    - SGA
      
      Fletch, I think, went through a phase of posting lengthy quotes from Lewis. To my taste, they seemed rather turgid (but that’s just me, others seem to like him).
      
      4 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:55pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @kimbo
      Naughty, naughty, naughty.
      
      You have already illustrated C.S. Lewis’ tedious prose.
      
      How can you possibly compare his waffle with such fine lines as:
      “Now, my dears,” said old Mrs. Rabbit one morning, “you may go into the fields or down the lane, but don’t go into Mr. McGregor’s garden: your Father had an accident there; he was put in a pie by Mrs. McGregor.”
      
      or
      
      “It is said that the effect of eating too much lettuce is ‘soporific’.”
      
      4 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 2:04pm
  - Kimbo
    
    That post of C S Lewis by Philbest highlights well the problem with most apologetics, Christian, Muslim, atheist, Marxist, neo-lib…whatever – it isn’t aplogetics at all. It does not really engage with the alternatives, but rather, presupposes the conclusions of the writer, and then works backwards, and uses a bunch of rhetorical tricks to try and seal the deal by appealing to emotion via pejoratives, not fact, e.g., (from Philbest’s post of C S Lewis)
    
    This attitude will, I think, be found to depend logically on the doctrines of the Creation and the Fall. Some hazy adumbrations of a doctrine of the fall can be found in paganism; but it is astonishing how rarely outside of Christianity we find – I am not sure that we ever find – a real doctrine of Creation. In Polytheism the gods are usually the product of a universe already in existence….In Pantheism, the universe is never something that God made. It is an emanation, something that oozes out of him, or an appearance, something he looks like to us but really is not, or even an attack of incurable schizophrenia from which he is unaccountably suffering. Polytheism is always, in the long run, nature-worship; Pantheism always, in the long run, hostility to nature. None of these beliefs really leave you free both to enjoy your breakfast AND to mortify your inordinate appetites – much less to mortify appetites recognized as innocent at present lest they should become inordinate.
    
    FFS, stop waffling and stop the mind-fuck! If you are going to do apologetics, then do it – engage respectfully and genuinely with alternative viewpoints from their perspective and assumptions, not just from your own. Unless you do that, then it is not apologetics. Instead it is preaching to the choir, and all too often pandering to their prejudices via used-car-salesmanship.
    
    Did I mention I don’t like much of what passes for apologetics?
    
    4 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 1:07pm
dime

Good to see Obama having a giant wall built around his new house.
23 4
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:55am
- MH
  
  when I told people about the moving stationary van parked outside the whitehouse yesterday full of Chinese sourced bricks none believed me !!!
  
  5 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:49am
- Manolo
  
  Tall enough to hide the minarets of the little mosque he plans to build.
  
  2 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:46pm
Paulus

What I find amazing is that the “greatest country in the world” has only just found out that all their data has been hacked for years, by Russia, China, Israel and possible others. Beijing has a building housing 10,000 plus personnel who do nothing but hack the world – including New Zealand as if we have any secrets. Cameron Slater knows, amongst his contemporaries, that it is easy for whatever shark wants but it is child’s play for Labour to leave its internal lists totally unsecured, and complain afterwards. How do you think Hager gets his information – yes, like all the others by stealing what is available.
Would there have been this hoo haa in the US if the corrupt Clinton had been elected ?
No, the old establishment would have continued to believe that they control the world, in order to preserve their exalted jobs, where they can never conceive that they could sometimes be wrong.
Frankly I find it amusing to watch these precious men tell everybody that it only happened when Trump won the election. They expected to be feited by the Clinton memorabilia should she have been elected – she is part of the corruption – we shall see with Trump.
15 3
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:57am
- PhilBest
  
  Also, ordinary Americans will have noted that crooked Hillary kept her emails on servers outside of the government system, precisely to avoid normal scrutiny. If the hacking had been of information on US government servers, then there might be more of a case that this is “espionage”. But if Hillary’s information had been on US government servers, then she would already have been outed over the various scandals she has been dodging, wouldn’t she?
  
  Live by the sword, die by the sword. Takes a crook to catch a crook.
  
  19 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:07am
  - stephieboy
    
    Phil Best , and so did GWB !
    
    Fact !
    
    “What’s good for the goose is good for the gander”
    
    2 21
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:15am
    - PhilBest
      
      So? – it rebounded on GWB, it rebounded on Hillary. Why all the fuss from lefty-libbewwals?
      
      EDIT: just noticed this excellent comment below from “Liberty”:
      
      “…treated as news by the lefty media…”
      
      That is where the problem lies.
      
      10 3
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:23am
- Liberty
  
  When you get a worm writing a scummy book based on selected stolen private property.
  and treated as news by the lefty media.
  You have a problem.
  
  26 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:11am
- stephieboy
  
  Paulus , the point is that it is alledged that Russia interfered in the US election process by hacking into the DMC email account and leaking them.
  
  Acceptable if they did likewise the GOP or Trump’s account ?
  
  1 15
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Do you know they didn’t ?
    Rather naive to believe that they selectively did only Clinton.
    They have been doing all of it for years as I remember
    – nothing new – move on.
    
    4 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 1:14pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Paulus, I take it a yes that it would be OK for Putin to hack Trump and the GOP’s email accounts ?
      
      1 8
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        The FBI confirmed someone did try to hack the GOP. They failed. You’ve been told this before
        
        4 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:43pm
Scott

Shooter at airport in Fort Lauderdale Florida. The shooter is in custody and named Esteban Santiago. Major newsflash – the shooter may not be Muslim!
10 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:01am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  That’s so racist – making judgments about a person’s religion because of their name!
  
  You must be Phil “chinky sounding” Twyford.
  
  15 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:06am
- PhilBest
  
  Quick, launch a clampdown on “everyone but Muslims”!!!
  
  14 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    PhilBest , looks like it could be Hispanic ones too !
    
    1 18
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:10am
    - PhilBest
      
      Must be a Hispanic neo-Nazi!!! Quick, ban Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller!!!
      
      12 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:25am
      - stephieboy
        
        PhilBest , no both more suited to admission to their local state mental health insitution !
        
        1 17
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:37am
- stephieboy
  
  Scott, oh dear ! Trump and Trumpists will not only have Muslim Terrorists to contend with but possibly Hispanic or Mexican ones ?
  
  3 24
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:09am
  - Scott
    
    It’s alright stephieboy. Once they build that wall they’ll be able to keep out the Mexican rapists and murderers and drug dealers and let in only the good people.
    
    15 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:35am
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott , will you be there when they lay the foundation brick .
      
      Refer to my 8.52 Am post .
      
      1 18
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:40am
      - holysheet
        
        Keep up stupidboy, it’s far to late to lay the foundation brick. The “wall” is already partly built. All Trump is going to do is extending what is already there.
        Do your own goolge search to find the link. There, I just saved you a post asking for a link. See even I can be nice to those of diminished mental capacity.
        
        13 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:56am
      - stephieboy
        
        holyexcrement , dopey ! With 1200 miles to go ? .
        
        Yeah right !
        
        http://jerrypeek.com/images/0017/0017668_03_logo.jpg
        
        2 13
        Report
        January 7, 2017 11:02am
      - holysheet
        
        Stupidboy whats 1200 miles to a country like the USA. Imagine all the employment opportunities for dumb arse people like you. If JK can build cycle tracks and at the end of it have very low unemployment here in NZ, there is hope for the US yet.
        Do us all a favour, go over there and get a job building this wall. It will give you an outlet for all your anger.
        
        8 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:07pm
      - VicParking
        
        Border is 3,145 km, border walls 554km. Plus electronic barriers making 930 km.
        This does not include the construction underway in Texas.
        There is also the desert which accounts for 30-50 deaths a year (bodies found) of people trying to cross.
        
        4 0
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:30pm
      - stephieboy
        
        holyturd,, do us a favour and get an empty baked beans can and do some fundraising for Trump’s wall !
        
        http://www.ifyourewondering.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Homeless-man.jpg
        
        0 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 8:10pm
    - CrazyIvan
      
      Interestingly, one of the biggest obstacles to the wall isn’t the money, but the fact that to be truly effective, the wall will have to be over private land – that means the federal government will have to buy people’s property in order to build it, including taking compulsorily their land if a deal can’t be done. Much of the Texas border area is private land, not federal land like further west.
      
      Even worse, the wall already cuts some people off from the US (and they’re technically still in America).
      
      http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/01/completing-border-wall-is-daunting-task-in-texas-were-most-land-is-privately.html
      
      To be efficient the wall is straight lines. When the border is the middle of the Rio Grande, there will be a fair amount of US land that is on the sourthern side of the wall.
      
      Not saying that I don’t agree with the idea of a wall, I just think that the practicalities of building it are more difficult than can be summed up in a 120-character tweet.
      
      6 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 12:24pm
Michael

Interesting article on Bolivia, it’s socialist revolution and its benefits, how it’s lasted longer than Venezuela (some economic orthodoxy), and how it’s now on the road to a Venezuelan type bust unless it abandons its expensive social programmes and lowers its international investor risks.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11778233

Note that the author is far more optimistic about Bolivia’s future than I am.
11 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:05am
- Southern Raider
  
  Yes the Washington Post and the author seem to be going out of their way to promote that line that it’s not the socialist ideology that has failed 3,000 times in the last hundred years but it’s application has been incorrect.
  
  10 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:58am
Happychappy

You have to wonder about the left as the air has been sucked away and they are obviously lost for a name or word to replace shonkey ,donkey or all the other names the slimeballs used to call the PM. With all the time these people seam to have they are lost for words to replace their hate of Key or starting to realise what a great and popular PM he was.
20 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:13am
- PhilBest
  
  Yeah, Stephieboy’s use of the name of the PM’s daughter in his nasty and selectively misogynistic identity, is now redundant.
  
  23 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:27am
  - Gabby
    
    You seem to have the mayor of Auckland’s name in your braggardly and spittily socialisticalated identity.
    
    1 13
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 11:51am
- Gabby
  
  They’re not banging on about Ponyboy because they’re less crappy than some chappies. They don’t need a word or name to replace shonkeydonkey cos he’s still a shonkeydonkey.
  
  0 16
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 11:17am
Manolo

Hope and change……not!
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/susan-jones/record-95102000-americans-not-labor-force-number-grew-18-obama-took-office

Barack Obama’s presidency began with a record number of Americans not in the labor force, and it’s ending the same way.

The final jobs report of the Obama presidency, released Friday, shows that the number of Americans not in the labor force has increased by 14,573,000 (18.09%) since January 2009.
14 3
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:17am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , from CNS ,
  
  “Terry Jeffrey Warns Of Obama’s Bisexual-Communist Plot To ‘Capture Our Kids’
  
  http://www.rightwingwatch.org/post/terry-jeffrey-warns-of-obamas-bisexual-communist-plot-to-capture-our-kids/
  
  Sigh … !
  
  3 19
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:26am
  - Inandout
    
    Sigh…if it upsets you little snowflake, don’t watch it.
    
    12 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 10:10am
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout,
      
      No its about the credibility of the news sources that alt right tards like you use !
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTaX1lkrwpg
      
      1 14
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 11:06am
- Southern Raider
  
  The BBC has published a report card on Obama and he gets a B+ for about everything including the economy 🙂
  
  6 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:59am
  - stephieboy
    
    Seems pretty good assesment including the economy with unempyment and inflation way down!
    
    0 17
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 11:11am
    - holysheet
      
      unempyment?
      What the fuck is this word?
      Get back on your meds quickly. Its a sign of a suicidal mind when you start making up words, in your desperation to try and play in the big boys sand pit.
      Must be tough having to put up with the constant headache from banging you head on the hard floor each day. Might be better for your health if you found another religion
      
      4 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 3:52pm
  - Fletch
    
    He gets an ‘F’ from me, and anyone exercising common sense who has access to Google for the actual facts.
    
    9 3
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 11:24am
    - PhilBest
      
      It needs to be constantly pointed out that almost all the success in the US economy has come from Texas and the states with less regulations on resource extraction, less regulations on business, lower local taxes, lower local land costs, less central planning, etc
      
      This success has occurred in spite of everything Obama stands for – he and his administration and the libbewwals in Federal bureaucracy would turn Texas into a mixture of California and Michigan if they could.
      
      10 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:02pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Fletch , as a gullible birther and a true believer of all kinds of Obama and related conspiracies it couldn’t be anything but a F
      
      0 13
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        And you’re the gullible idiot who thinks the anti fossil fuel Obama created the fracking boom and helped the US on its way to energy independence.
        Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
        
        6 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:49pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , visit your shrink for a repeat script of clozapine !
        
        https://www.drugs.com/clozapine.html
        
        0 2
        Report
        January 7, 2017 8:15pm
Manolo

Never mock the barbarians. Our own stephieboy will also disapprove:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/beheading-attire-sexy-suicide-vests-satire-isis-wives-114819587.html
10 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:22am
stephieboy

Senior Russian Officials Cheered Donald Trump’s Win in Intercepted Communications

According to a report from U.S. intelligence agencies.

“American intelligence agencies intercepted communications between senior officials in the Russian government in which they celebrated Donald Trump’s victory in the 2016 election, The Washington Post reports. The revelation, part of a 50-page classified report from the intelligence community, indicates that higher-ups at the Kremlin—some of whom, U.S. intelligence officials believe, knew about Russia’s hacking campaign in advance—saw Trump’s defeat of Hillary Clinton as a geopolitical victory for Russia…

“The Russians felt pretty good about what happened on Nov. 8,” a senior U.S. official told the Post, “and they also felt pretty good about what they did.”

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a52079/russian-officials-cheered-trump-win/

Interesting …!
5 22
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:22am
- Manolo
  
  Who wouldn’t celebrate the defeat of the uber corrupt Hillary Clinton?
  
  22 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:24am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, you missed this I believe ,
    
    “and they also felt pretty good about what they did.”
    
    Can’t wait for Trump’s Intelligence briefing.Fast forward also when Trump plays hard ball with Putin on the Iran Nuclear agreement .
    
    0 23
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:44am
    - Reid
      
      Here you go stupidboy:
      
      After Intel Briefing Trump Says Hacking Had No Effect on Outcome of Election
      
      Read more: https://sputniknews.com/us/201701061049338735-donald-trump-statement-russian-intelligence-briefing/
      
      and
      
      ‘Propaganda intended to incite Americans’: John McAfee to RT on ‘Russian hacking’ claims
      https://www.rt.com/usa/372795-mcafee-dnc-hack-propaganda/
      
      10 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 10:12am
      - fernglas
        
        Gosh, Trump said it had no effect. It must be true then.
        
        4 7
        Report
        January 7, 2017 11:08am
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , can you ever imagine those two Kremlin propaganda media that you regularly and tediously to out dare stating other wise ?
        
        0 15
        Report
        January 7, 2017 11:12am
      - Reid
        
        No actually stupidboy, Trump said what he said and McAfee said what he said, and that’s the story. The media who reported it is incidental, unless you think they’re making it up, in which case, prove it, otherwise, shut up, either completely, or respond to what Trump or McAfeee said, because that’s the point of the post, dummy.
        
        7 2
        Report
        January 7, 2017 11:36am
    - MH
      
      http://www.iranwatch.org/our-publications/wisconsin-project-investigations
      
      Maybe partly funded propaganda from the US govt but I wouldn’t trust Iran as far as casting the first stone.
      
      2 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 12:05pm
- MH
  
  I remember in the late 60s-70s David Frost’s show in which he as a newsreader said thieves had broken into the Kremlin and had stolen next years election results. How times have changed.
  
  13 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:57am
Nukuleka

stephieboy: do you have a life or is posting on KB it?
30 4
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:26am
- stephieboy
  
  Nukuleka, ask Manolo with his near record 24, 592 !
  
  We live in interesting times or haven’t you noticed ?
  
  1 27
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:28am
  - Viking2
    
    Except that manaolo has been posting for years. You have barely started. Go start your own blog instead of wasting our days scrolling past your garbage.
    
    21 5
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:44am
    - stephieboy
      
      Viking 2 , posting since 2012 I believe and what I do with my spare time is none of you bees wax .
      
      Garbage ?
      
      What about yours ?
      
      3 26
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:47am
      - Reid
        
        You make it ours when you post nothing but shit which is never on the same topic as the original post and which never addresses any of the points being made, dumbo.
        
        Watching you on an average day scampering from post to post dropping your “wisdom” is like watching a dog pissing on all the lampposts to mark his territory. Only trouble is stupidboy, a dog does something useful, like wag his tail and bark, whereas you never do anything useful like that, at all.
        
        17 4
        Report
        January 7, 2017 10:17am
- Scott
  
  No I think stephieboy is an old guy who has not much else to do than troll away on kiwiblog. Time to get a hobby stephieboy, or visit your family over the holidays. Also church is on tomorrow morning.
  Just trying to give your fellow kiwi bloggers a break here ☺️
  
  23 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:39am
  - stephieboy
    
    Scott , don’t be greedy . Can’t have the deluded like you and V2 all their own way here on KB!
    
    “The Spirit of Truth And The Spirit of Error”
    
    1 John 4:1-6
    
    2 27
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:49am
    - Scott
      
      Thanks stephieboy, good to see you know your bible. I’m always pleased when you quote from the bible rather than the Koran ?
      
      16 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 10:18am
    - PhilBest
      
      “Hereby we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error”….depending on who “hears us” (i.e. John and the apostles) or not, if I am reading the whole 6 verses right.
      
      5 0
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 11:21am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
Who wants our ‘clean, green’ New Zealand back?

Sorry to pop the hot air balloon – but in my considered opinion, New Zealand is a corrupt, polluted tax haven.

The tip of the giant New Zealand corruption iceberg has been revealed in the ‘Reasons for the Verdict’ of Justice Sally Fitzgerald dated 9 December 2016.

(International ‘Anti-Corruption Day’ – as it happens!)

CRI-2015-044-001286
[2016] NZHC 2970

THE QUEEN v
STEPHEN JAMES BORLASE
MURRAY JOHN NOONE

225 pages – which I have spent DAYS studying.)

The bribes paid by just ONE corrupt private contractor to just ONE corrupt ‘public official’ totalled $1.2 million over 7 years.

How many thousands of ‘public officials’ and thousands of private contractors are there in New Zealand, perceived’ for so many years to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ – (according to the, in my view, the effectively bogus and completely meaningless Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’?)

How is it either proper, or lawful, for ‘public officials’ to simultaneously be ‘private consultants’?

(Which has been proven to be the mechanism for the corrupt payment of bribes in the above-mentioned Judgment.)

How is it proper or lawful to have a policy of ‘collaboration’ and
‘co-operation’ between public officials and private consultants and contractors?

In my view, this policy of ‘collaboration’ and ‘co-operation’ between public officials and private consultants/ contractors has been proven to breed corruption.

How widespread is this policy of ‘collaboration’ and ‘co-operation’ across local and central government?

Anyone else asking – or checking?

How much of this now proven to be fundamentally flawed, policy of ‘collaboration’ and ‘co-operation’ between public officials and private consultants/contractors has come about because of the, in my view, infestation of public official roles with private sector businesspeople?

And the commercialisation of public services, locally, nationally and internationally?

The NZ National Business Review (NBR) has led the charge and published two in-depth investigative articles revealing corruption in the NZ roading industry.

(16 and 23 December 2016

SPECIAL Investigation – Investigative journalist Karyn Scherer).

As a proven anti-corruption campaigner, who has attended five international
anti-corruption conferences, and ‘blown the whistle’ against corruption and the lack of transparency in the spending of public spending on private consultants and contractors for the last ten years – I now feel absolutely vindicated.

I’m standing as an Independent ‘anti-corruption’ candidate in the upcoming Mt Albert by-Election, and look forward to being able to ask some stinking hard questions about corruption in the House under Parliamentary privilege.

The strongest message, in my view, that can be given to this Government that decent New Zealanders want a STOP to corruption is to vote a proven anti-corruption ‘Public Watchdog’ into Parliament.

THAT will send a message that cannot be ignored – locally, nationally and internationally.

SEIZE THE MOMENT!

Penny Bright.

2017 Independent candidate in the Mt Albert by-election.

Attendee: 2010 Transparency International Conference -Bangkok.

Attendee: 2009, 2013, 2015 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conferences.

Attendee: 2014 G20 Anti-Corruption Conference.
1 49
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:35am
- Scott
  
  And then here comes penny ?
  
  26 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:40am
  - Viking2
    
    Great. That’s much better than the steph bott and its usual trail of pointless posts. He does it just to wind you all up.
    Why bother, there’s more to life than spending all day at a screen arguing with the demented stephie.
    
    16 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:50am
    - stephieboy
      
      Viking ?, some hot chemistry going on between Penny and you ?
      
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/9YD3ikZXkqg/maxresdefault.jpg
      
      0 21
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 10:40am
      - holysheet
        
        as opposed to you and yours?
        
        https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11375796_1691736567725015_469920433_n.jpg
        
        3 0
        Report
        January 7, 2017 4:02pm
  - rightoverlabour
    
    I thought 30 downtick hid the drivel?
    
    12 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 11:32am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  I take it then, Pennyidiot, that paying your rates would be a corrupt thing to do.
  
  22 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:47am
- mikenmild
  
  Love your campaign Penny. How many cases have you personally uncovered? How many policy changes have you instigated?
  I know you won’t answer such questions, but at least you’ve told us how many international anti-corruption conferences you have attended.
  
  32 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:50am
  - calendar girl
    
    Penny Bright has never understood the fallacy of ‘arguing from the particular to the general’ (or, as expressed in the popular metaphor, ‘one swallow does not a summer make’).
    
    Nobody doubts that there are dishonest people in all walks of life. Some of it can be serious, official corruption, including in New Zealand. And – as she has shown – it is punished at law here when discovered. But it is going too far for a private attention-seeker to portray this country, without hard evidence, as a hotbed of corruption – as measured by world standards.
    
    If Ms Bright wishes to become a true anti-corruption champion, she should apply to join the NZ Police force, undergo relevant training, secure appropriate qualifications and experience, and undertake the unglamorous work that goes with finding and prosecuting criminals.
    
    Self-publicity and slogans are no substitute for disciplined and effective detective work.
    
    18 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 11:51am
    - publicwatchdog
      
      Have you studied the above-mentioned 225 page ‘Reasons for Verdict’ of Justice Sally Fitzgerald?
      
      Yes or no?
      
      If no – I respectfully suggest that you do?
      
      I have.
      
      Kind regards
      
      Penny Bright
      
      2017 Independent candidate in the Mt Albert by-Election.
      
      1 20
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 3:08pm
- nasska
  
  I’m bored Penny. Let’s go & buy you some deodorant. 🙂
  
  24 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:51am
  - stigie
    
    Can i come to, im quite happy to buy a cake of soap for you to lather her up before the deodorant is applied !~
    
    4 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 4:22pm
- PhilP
  
  Not many down ticks to go chaps and chapess’s
  
  13 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:54am
  - rightoverlabour
    
    Done my duty for civilization. Fuck off penny.
    
    14 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 11:37am
- Southern Raider
  
  Penny can you give me some ideas on how people in NZ are getting away with this?
  
  I pay way to much tax and would be interested in your advice on how I could save more.
  
  16 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:01am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
  Attendee: Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
  22 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:02am
- Liberty
  
  “SPECIAL Investigation – Investigative journalist ”
  Penny you are posting twaddle as usual
  New Zealand doesn’t have any Investigative Journalist.
  Because if we did Peters would have been long gone.
  Labour would register 10% if they were lucky.
  
  21 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:12am
- Pateke
  
  Penny. Believe me. It is not possible for you to have a “considered opinion.” You are batshit crazy.
  
  22 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:37am
simpleton1

‘public official’ accepts bribes.
Public watch dog, self appointed auditor, cleans out bank account

In another brilliant showing of respect for democracy, Penny completely ignored the G.A. rules that it must approve all funds before they are released (over $100) by usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval, ostensibly with the help of “Chris Glen” who was on the finance committee and was also a bank signatory……
,,,,,,,Even worse – she took the money within a month of having been appointed to undertake an audit of Occupy Auckland expenditure (as recorded in her own minutes).
https://occupysavvy.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/penny-bright-fails-to-co-opt-occupy-auckland-again/

Is this not another thieving corrupt “public official”
Follow the money ! !
35 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 9:50am
- Awww C-mon
  
  Bang on Simpleton, Penny also ignores any question I ask about her close friend of hers saying in a Facebook post that private donations to Penny are much better than a give-a-little fund.
  
  Open the books Penny
  
  27 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:11am
Inandout

A tearful (cue to Hollywood acting school) Ms Obama thanks all the snowflakes who supported her husband, and she will continue to support them for the rest of her life.

She also added, “Our glorious diversity, our diversities of faiths and colors and creeds, that is not a threat to who we are,” she said. “It makes us who we are.”

“I want our young people to know that they matter, that they belong,” Obama said. “So don’t be afraid. You hear me? Young people, don’t be afraid. Be focused. Be determined. Be hopeful. Be empowered. Empower yourselves with a good education. Then get out there and use that education to build a country worthy of your boundless promise. Lead by example with hope, never fear. And know that I will be with you, rooting for you and working to support you for the rest of my life.”

Please don’t root for them, it is not seemly. The hidden meaning behind those encouraging words will probably pass over the heads of the ‘young’. Like her husband, she is good at ‘words’.

Yes Michelle it did work well for over a century, until someone decided to introduce a virus disguised as a migrant.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/6/14193468/michelle-obama-speech

I will not comment on the the wimmin surrounding her in the photo.
10 4
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 10:21am
- stephieboy
  
  inandout ,
  
  But not this” virus” ?
  
  http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2739137.1470357385!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/article-melania2-0804.jpg
  
  Can you post copy of your dile for twinks to swoon over ?
  
  0 19
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 10:45am
- PhilBest
  
  It is not so much “migrants” per se have become a virus, as that vetting standards have changed to allow in the viral ones, and far too many of them; plus PC multiculturalism has weakened the host society’s immune system. All the various toxic combinations of PC policy approaches are deliberate; so, too, are the contradictions and hypocrisies.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 11:27am
- Gabby
  
  Don’t they look afraid enough?.
  
  0 10
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 11:47am
- RF
  
  The Obamas are up to their double standards. Very outspoken and anti about the Mexican wall as it restricts innocent people going about their lawful business.
  
  But wait… there’s more. Currently workmen are building a wall to protect the Obamas new house from people coming onto the property. I guess you could call them innocent people going about their lawful business.
  
  The wingnut Kenyan is a two faced little prick.
  
  10 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 3:08pm
Reid

Remember this next time the topic of whether or not the Ukrainian govt is Nazi comes up:

Ukrainian marchers in Kiev chant ‘Jews out’

Demonstrators celebrate the birthday of WWII Nazi collaborator Stepan Bandera, who fought against Soviet army

http://www.timesofisrael.com/ukrainian-marchers-in-kiev-chant-jews-out/

And remember this next time the topic of whether or not the US was behind the Ukraine regime change which put the Nazi’s into power:

Building Totalitarianism in Europe – The Last Coup of Victoria Nuland

http://www.defenddemocracy.press/building-totalitarianism-in-europe-the-last-coup-of-victoria-nuland/

Clinton was going to select Nuland as her Secretary of State:

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/30/the-three-harpies-are-back/
7 5
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 10:53am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , be assured anti semitism is alive and kicking in mother Russia,
  
  http://www.wildolive.co.uk/IMAGES/AntisemRussia.jpg
  
  Nazi /Russian collaboration WW2 ,
  
  https://www.quora.com/Why-there-were-so-many-Russian-Nazi-collaborators-during-the-WW2
  
  3 18
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 11:17am
  - Reid
    
    What’s that got to do with Nazis in Kiev, dummy?
    
    See what I mean, scampering round pissing on lampposts adding no value.
    
    Look moron, you don’t need to balance the equation by pointing out some deprecation under discussion also exists in other groups. That’s why you do it, isn’t it, to balance the discussion, lest the group get carried away and rampant racism and injustice breaks out which you’re there to stop, aren’t you. Yes, we get that, we all know that’s why you do it dummy. But the point is fuckhead, all of us already know other groups do that too, but we don’t care about those other groups, we want to talk about the other group under discussion. If we wanted to talk about the group you raise, we fucking well would start another fresh thread about it, but unless we do that, we want to stay on the discussion about that group.
    
    So stop being a wanker, stupidboy.
    
    11 5
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 11:27am
    - mikenmild
      
      Moron calls moron a moron.
      
      5 12
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 12:14pm
      - pentwig
        
        And another moron makes a smart arse comment.
        Actually I find Reids articles interesting, unlike yours and steffies sarcasism.
        
        11 5
        Report
        January 7, 2017 1:34pm
      - holysheet
        
        Your just jealous you were not included in that little carry on, Milky
        
        4 0
        Report
        January 7, 2017 4:05pm
- Gabby
  
  They’re russkers you imp of satan.
  
  1 8
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 11:43am
- BeeSting
  
  All your analysis of the Ukraine is incorrect
  unrest has been artificially created.
  
  It is about 1 thing and 1 thing alone Food Security.
  
  GMO versus non GMO
  1 loan had it
  another did not
  
  and that is when the crisis started artificially
  
  The Ukraine is the Food Basket of Europe for 1 reason alone “The European Honey Bee” and its
  intelligent use in food production.
  
  FOR 1000 YEARS
  
  They kick the backside of NZ and any other country in honey production with winters of
  minus 26 degrees
  
  Serious Bee Keeping starts with the Bees in one
  of the Caves in
  https://orthodoxwiki.org/Monastery_of_the_Kiev_Caves
  
  Jump around in your communist or Natzi underwear all you like but the root of the problem
  is Food Security.
  
  0 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 11:49pm
Southern Raider

Three months until Easter and already Countdown is promoting hot cross buns. I assume Easter Eggs will go on sale next week.
9 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 11:12am
- holysheet
  
  And not before time. I bought some today. Slathered butter on them, Yummy. I didn’t associate them with Easter at all. But then I am not a god botherer. If I see something I like then I buy it. Trying not to complicate my life, simple pleasures and all that.
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 4:54pm
Reid

Washington is Behind India’s Brutal Demonetization Project

In early November, without warning, the Indian government declared the two largest denomination bills invalid, abolishing over 80 percent of circulating cash by value. Amidst all the commotion and outrage this caused, nobody seems to have taken note of the decisive role that Washington played in this. That is surprising, as Washington’s role has been disguised only very superficially.

One of the goals they have is eliminate cash because you have to get on the grid which they control. It’s using the mark of the beast principle because without an account you can neither buy nor sell. It also means every transaction becomes traceable in real time and imagine how useful that is for surveillance. It also means they can control you by threatening to withdraw your accounts.

NZ’s EFTPos penetration came earlier and far far deeper than it was in most other countries including Western ones. Which is unusual isn’t it for our country, with a small population, no particular reason or drive to do that ahead of others esp our Western contemporaries. But we did, from the 80’s on.

One possible reason for that is we were being studied as a test market for this cashless society program. India at the moment looks like it’s another test of a different aspect of this same program.

Out of all countries they could have chosen India was grossly ill positioned to accommodate what Modi did in November.

Half of Indians don’t have banks and the banking infrastructure isn’t setup to accommodate them anyway, and half the payroll is paid in cash, and Modi eliminated all the big denominations.

It was a shock tactic, to find out what would happen were it introduced under those conditions, because you can’t seriously argue the govt was unaware of those elementary issues.

https://geopolitics.co/2017/01/05/washington-is-behind-indias-brutal-demonetization-project/
5 8
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 11:20am
- mikenmild
  
  EFTPOS really stands for Electronic Foreigner Tracking at Points of Surveillance.
  Those cameras in ATM machines are also connected to the GCSB and NSA.
  The New Zealand passport has encoded Masonic symbols, as do SuperGold cards.
  
  12 6
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:08pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    That’s pretty funny
    
    8 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 2:03pm
    - Reid
      
      It would have been if he was trying to be.
      
      7 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 2:59pm
Manolo

Calling all Obama’s minions and donors home:
The Department of State sent a cable to all diplomats nationwide advising them of the break from tradition Dec. 23. Past administrations allowed diplomats an extension until a replacement could be found and moved to each post, according to the report.

Trump made it clear he doesn’t want any political appointee of the outgoing president to serve during his administration, a decision Trump staffers insist is not “ill will.” The new administration just wants to make sure that appointments made as a result of political donations end “on schedule.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/06/trump-orders-all-of-obamas-diplomats-home-on-day-1/
11 2
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 11:33am
- MH
  
  maybe we should replace Groser now the trade deal is off with someone Trump knows….like…Bob Charles- I know some of youse worried he’s a lefty, but if we could get him and Trump on the golf course say-Hawaii. Whats Engish’s handicap, nah it’s Winston, just stick with the turtle neck and action gusset.
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 12:56pm
- Inandout
  
  Last thing Trump needs is a Clinton mole diplomat, else what is the point of draining the swamp?
  
  6 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:21pm
Reid

Very good analysis of the Russian hacking “evidence.”

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2017/01/crowdstrikes-russian-hacking-story-fell-apart-say-hello-fancy-bear-2.html

Note to stupidboy: a furiously googled link about other Russians hacks done other places and times, is not relevant.
8 4
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 11:57am
Harriet

“……In response to the U.N.’s recent resolution condemning Israel, a major effort is under way to urge the U.S. to withdraw its funding of the global body, with the expulsion of U.N. headquarters from the US……”

3 cheers for muzza! 😎
13 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 11:58am
Reid

Some of what Israel did to Palestinians in one year–or what US media don’t cover
In one year, Israel killed 134 Palestinians, including 35 children. Most were shot at checkpoints–the numbers of checkpoints increased to more than 472 in the West Bank. There were licenses to 37335 settlement “units”. Settlement construction increased by 57 % last year. As for land theft, Israel confiscated more than 12326 dunes of Palestinian lands in West Bank and Gaza (not counting Palestinian lands of 1948). Israeli occupation destroyed 1023 homes and installation in the West Bank and Jerusalem. Israeli also uprooted more than 6500 olive trees in Jerusalem and West Bank. (Source Hani Hurani Center).
2 10
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 12:02pm
- VicParking
  
  How many rockets did the Palestinians fire into Israel last year. How many Israel’s were killed by Palestinians.
  
  8 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:41pm
  - Reid
    
    Not as many as they killed VP, by a very long shot indeed. Plus they also make life hell 24/7/365 for 100% of the Palestinians they don’t murder.
    
    Compared to that, throwing the odd rocket into some empty field is pretty mild, don’t you think?
    
    Honestly I seriously don’t understand why you otherwise intelligent and good hearted people never seem to be able to see the palpable hypocrisy in your stance on Israel vs FACTS. WTF is wrong with you all, that ALL of you completely disregard the FACTS and favour the emotion on this and this topic alone? Ever thought about why none of you can see this clear and present hypocrisy that flies in the face of the FACTS? You wouldn’t do this for any other country, you know you wouldn’t.
    
    2 6
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 2:43pm
Reid

Tweet: “Gates, Omidyar, USAID, et al. are actors behind the scenes of India’s catastrophic demonetisation policy https://www.betterthancash.org/about”

https://twitter.com/cordeliers/status/813382201630924801

Then you go to the ‘about’ link and you see nothing (they’ve removed it), but it’s in the tweet.

Isn’t that interesting.
3 3
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 12:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , whats missing – all Roads lead to the Illuminati !
  
  And what could one expect from a moronic pizzagate true believer !
  
  0 15
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:48pm
  - Reid
    
    No I haven’t made up my mind yet on pizza gate stupidboy. Before I do I need answers to all the serious questions that have been raised which I’ve enumerated already in the posts I’ve given so I’ll not bother to do so again. And it’s not just me it’s everyone – millions of us, who think there’s something there and want, actually need those answers. But I bet you don’t even know what those questions are, because you’ve let others do your thinking for you, taken note only of posts on that which match your preconceived view and now, your mind is set in concrete on it, isn’t it. Unlike mine, which remains open. Which of our two approaches is more sensible and wise stephie?
    
    5 4
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 2:28pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid, I spent a lengthy time debating with you over your Pizzagate Conspiracy beliefs .
      
      Finally sunk after that shooting debacle at Comet Ping Pong by that utterly deluded shooter , Edgar Welch ?
      
      http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-With-Assault-Rifle-Arrested-at-Comet-Ping-Pong-in-NW-DC-404634716.html
      
      0 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 8:23pm
      - Reid
        
        No you didn’t. As usual you addressed nothing I said whatsoever. Not one question. This is why I call you stupidboy, because if you think you have, give me a link to that post. Go on.
        
        0 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 10:28pm
Jack5

Andrew Becroft, the Children’s Commissioner and the man who seems keen to bring as people as old as 19 under the secrecy of the Children’s Court, has some other ideas.

According to Radio NZ he is now suggesting tax be increased to divert more resources to young people and/or State money be redirected from NZ’s retired population towards young people.

Perhaps Becroft should stand for Parliament on the Labour ticket.
23 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 12:25pm
- Paulus
  
  I believe he said, as reported, that he understands older people are quite prepared to have their taxes increased so that poorer underprivileged younger people can be given more of our money.
  Bollocks.
  
  22 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:23pm
  - mikenmild
    
    He was making the point that we have an incredibly generous welfare scheme for older New Zealanders; not so good for young ones. Related to who votes.
    
    3 18
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 1:27pm
    - VicParking
      
      What are parents for. Or should all childern be under state control so mum and dad can spend more time at the pub and tab
      
      13 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:45pm
    - Reid
      
      He’s not a politician tho is he mm. So what relevance does who votes have?
      
      5 3
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 2:30pm
Reid

stephie’s much beloved oft cited Mosul op ain’t going well:

We are now over two months into the battle for Mosul, and the initial optimism has definitely faded away. The palpable sense of doggedness about the urban combat taking place in the Eastern parts of the city, reflecting an atmosphere of almost trench-like warfare, contrasts sharply with the easy territorial gains achieved by Iraqi security forces in the first days of the offensive. Early announcements about the imminent liberation of the city and the final fall of the “Islamic State” now sound hollow and premature. The truth about Mosul – that much should have been clear from the outset – is that this will be a costly battle. Costly in time, costly in energy, equipment and planning, and most of all, costly in lives. Overall, a rather sobering and grim outlook…

Surprisingly enough, apparently stephie was wrong. Well I never. How often does that happen?

http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2017/01/the-battle-for-mosul-is-swansong-or-yet-another-shapeshifting-part-2-.html
8 3
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 12:31pm
- Manolo
  
  Why wouldn’t they carpet bomb Mosul or nuke Raqqa, IS fortresses?
  
  4 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:01pm
  - Reid
    
    I’m sure they’d like to but the public won’t let them.
    
    2 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 1:19pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, be patient .Trump will have his chance via getting offside with Putin by doing the same with Iran and the Nuclear deal .
    
    0 17
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 1:51pm
Manolo

Thanks to Merkel this is a bit too late:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4095842/Austria-calls-migrant-ban-Europe-apply-asylum.html
13 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 1:05pm
- Inandout
  
  Rats normally leave a sinking ship, but in Europe the rats are arriving in numbers. This year will be very interesting as the European citizens start fighting back to save what is left of their cultures.
  
  15 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:28pm
  - Manolo
    
    I reckon it is too late. It is only a matter of time before the invading rats, who reproduce at an incredible speed, take over decadent Europe.
    
    14 0
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 1:42pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      You never know Manalo. They might start deporting them on trains. The Germans have got good experience at transporting people on trains.
      Considering they probably were soft on letting them all in because of some collective guilt, using trains to get rid of them would be more than a tad ironic.
      
      8 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 1:54pm
      - GoVege
        
        Geez…Aor, you’re getting me all queasy!
        The poor Germans don’t need any more reminders of their ghastly past.
        That’s what got them into this present mess!
        
        2 0
        Report
        January 7, 2017 5:20pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Former Mexican president tweets sweary message to Trump saying Mexico won’t pay for the border wall.

Notice that Mexico’s elite is dominated by pale skin. They HATE their Amerindian population – hate having to police them, hate having to feed them, hate having to listen to them.

The more of these dark skinned illiterate peasants the pale pasty Mexican elite can flush out onto the USA welfare system the better for them.

“Vicente Fox Quesada
✔
@VicenteFoxQue

TRUMP, when will you understand that I am not paying for that fucken wall. Be clear with US tax payers. They will pay for it.”
11 3
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 1:15pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Meanwhile the real President of Mexico has looked at the numbers and is starting to realise that it might be cheaper to help with the wall. The fact is, his constituents on the border are sick of the crime from the cartels and would like the wall too.
  Startling numbers here showing how much Mexico needs the US
  http://www.breitbart.com/california/2016/11/12/president-mexico-wants-negotiate-wall/
  
  10 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:25pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , 1200 mile of it ?
    
    Of course Breitbart as always a credible source.
    
    Costings in the bill Trump proposes sending to Mexcico city ?
    
    2 14
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 1:55pm
  - fernglas
    
    I read the article, and apart from the headline, could see nothing to suggest that Mexico will help with paying for the wall. Is it just speculation from the fact that Mexico and the US will be having talks at some point? If that’s all it is, it doesn’t speak well for Breitbart’s professionalism.
    
    4 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 2:11pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      When they have the planned talks , do you think the wall will come up as part of the conversation…
      If you don’t, then you truly are fucking thick.
      
      5 3
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 2:14pm
      - fernglas
        
        Dear me, did I hit a soft spot? Assuming that it does come up, where is there anything in the article to support a headline suggesting that Mexico will contribute? Evidence, dear boy/girl; without it, we can believe what we like, untrammelled by the truth.
        
        2 3
        Report
        January 7, 2017 2:45pm
- Gabby
  
  You want to rub your jizzy mitts all over his pasty skin. Dirty dirty little jizzy mitts.
  
  1 18
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:27pm
- Manolo
  
  Fox, a former Coca Cola executive and Mexican president, was as ineffective and incompetent as Obama. His opinion is of little importance.
  
  12 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:27pm
- Harriet
  
  “….TRUMP, when will you understand that I am not paying for that fucken wall. Be clear with US tax payers. They will pay for it……..”
  
  This guy is very confused.
  
  If Trump sets corporate tax at 15% like he says he will, then a lot of ‘mexican’ businesses and factories will return to the US – Ford is currently doing so.
  
  In other words – Mexico will pay – one way or another for the cost of the wall — and then some! 😎
  
  9 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 1:39pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Hazrriet , and skyroacket the cost of living for the average American with Tarriffs and international Trade wars
    
    15 % ? If and when /
    
    2 16
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 1:57pm
    - Reid
      
      stephie the big boy on any trade always has less to lose than the little guy and Mexico is no exception.
      
      Why you would think it is, is inexplicable, unless yet another wurzenflugel has discombobulated, and an email just in from DARPA informs me that yes, it just has.
      
      7 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 2:39pm
Manolo

Crooked Hillary was sunk by the truth:
While the report accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of ordering a campaign to influence the U.S. election and hurt Hillary Clinton’s candidacy, it found that the material sent to WikiLeaks did not contain “any evident forgeries.”

The claim that the emails may have been doctored or forged was raised by DNC Interim Chair Donna Brazile in October, when she was criticized for an email that surfaced in hacked messages from Podesta’s account.
4 2
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 2:13pm
- Reid
  
  Yes it’s a point not made often enough is it Manolo that if there were nothing there there wouldn’t have been an issue even if the bollocks hacking crap is taken as read.
  
  3 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 2:34pm
Lucia Maria

The mask slips …

Wikileaks wants to make a database to track all of their opponents (I presume I would be on the list as well). However, the tweet, once it was picked up by all and sundry, was removed.
5 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 2:22pm
Reid

Another analysis of Trump’s intel briefing on Russian hacking:

I was expecting better from the US IC. This report boils down to a summary of one of the more successful national Information Operations (IO) programs centered on Russia Today (RT) and the use of social media to do what the US quaintly calls “Public Diplomacy.” This is a dishonest politically-motivated report that would cause me, if I had the power to do so, to retire everyone associated with this disinformation — this is a form of lying to the president and lying to the public.

It is significant that this report is not from all seventeen agencies and not from the Director of National Intelligence (DNI). I have the impression everyone else has washed their hands on this one.

Virtually the entire report is focused on Russia’s ethical, legal, overt media operations. There are exactly three accusation, all without evidence: that Gucifer, a Romanian taxi driver, is a principal agent of the Russian military intelligence service; and that the Russians provided emails obtained covertly to DCLeaks and to WikiLeaks. All three assertions lack evidentiary support (I am pretty sure the classified version does not support these assertions with credible evidence).

I find the report deficient in five specific ways…

http://phibetaiota.net/2017/01/the-trump-briefing-assessing-russian-activities-and-intentions-in-recent-us-elections/
3 3
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 3:11pm
- mikenmild
  
  It cannot be an analysis of Trump’s intelligence briefing, which is classified.
  But knock down that straw man.
  
  2 5
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 7:28pm
  - Reid
    
    Of course if you merely click the link you’ll find at the very top of the article a link to the only available report, which says:
    
    “This report is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment, its conclusions are identical to those in the more sensitive assessment but this version does not include the full supporting information on key elements of the influence campaign.”
    
    But if the publicly available version can be picked apart so very easily why should the assumption be made the classified version can’t also be, especially since Trump has said it’s got nothing in it?
    
    What?
    
    You think he’d risk them leaking details if they really did have anything of substance in it? You think the CIA wouldn’t do that?
    
    1 5
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 8:11pm
    - mikenmild
      
      I guess you’re just going to have to trust Trump on that one. Moron.
      
      2 4
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 8:16pm
      - Reid
        
        Yes, he’s only the POTUS, having beat not only everyone in his own party but the opposition as well, which included 97% of the US MSM, never having played before in the field, so what would he know, he’s clearly an incompetent fool, probably not even fit to be your manager mm.
        
        That about sum up the sneer this time?
        
        4 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:18pm
      - mikenmild
        
        True. Winning the presidency makes hi as trustworthy as Nixon or Johnson, I suppose.
        
        0 5
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:22pm
- Griff
  
  I am pretty sure the classified version does not support these assertions with credible evidence
  
  This means the writer has no funkin idea what is actually in the report so his opinion has as much weight as a monkeys in the zoo.
  Who would post such a blatantly uninformed opinion on here and think it proves any thing beside he is babbling bullshit from a webshite.?
  
  1 4
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 7:38pm
  - mikenmild
    
    It is Reid, after all. But he will probably come back with a sentence or two about how his geopolitical discernment and vast range of sources mean he is always right.
    
    2 5
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 7:48pm
Inandout

TRiUMPh is the new President.
6 2
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 3:21pm
Inandout

What a hoot…
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/06/report-hillary-clinton-pressured-run-mayor-new-york-city/

She would replace their ‘broken windows’ policy with a broken politician.
5 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 3:31pm
- Manolo
  
  Harder to remove than weeds of the garden variety. Does NYC deserve this corrupt woman? Yes.
  
  3 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 7:35pm
Stars And Stripes

Man shot dead by police, Savey Kevin Sous, had a history of violence
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11778354.
“He was of Cambodian descent but had lived in New Zealand for about 20 years.
The judge noted Sous, who came to New Zealand as a refugee, had many previous convictions including four for violence or threats of violence.”

Another refugee who was not grateful for the help New Zealand gave him.
Time to change the law and make refugees deportable like other immigrants as some are clearly not worthy of protection.
13 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 4:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  Stars and Stripes , lets say he was a a Yazzidi or Chrisitian regugee from say Iraq , Syria or Serbia ?
  
  0 14
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 5:10pm
- GoVege
  
  Naive Kiwis don’t understand how chauvinistic some of these guys from 3rd world countries are.
  I used to know a lovely, stunningly beautiful Cambodian woman.
  She confided that each time she produced a daughter, her husband took off in a sulk for months on end.
  She was incredibly grateful for the kindness of her Kiwi neighbours each time he ditched her and she had to rent a grotty flat with her daughter/s.
  Eventually he got over it and came back and I don’t think he beat her.
  (But I think he was a Chinese businessman, not a Cambodian peasant.)
  
  4 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 5:59pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  And his tearful father was on TV saying “He was trying to change his life around”.
  Well he left it a bit late didn’t he, and smacking up his wife again didn’t exactly help.
  Another example of second-generation immigrants/refugees going off the rails.
  
  7 0
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 7:41pm
Inandout

Crikey, did Obama really make all those statements about his love for Islam?

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/01/latest-medal-services-islam/

If so the US dodged the bullet.
11 2
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 5:00pm
- stephieboy
  
  Inandout , the very defintely did not dodge a bullet . You of course choose that most reputable and wholsesome of sites,Whaleblubber who in turn links to one of the most scurrilous and Islamic hating , Frontpage !
  
  1 15
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 5:25pm
  - Inandout
    
    Temper, temper….
    
    9 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 5:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout , no simply the Truth !
      
      1 10
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 6:10pm
- Harriet
  
  Barry, the left and the media’s MO is :
  
  Praise Muslims, ignore Christians, blame Jews.
  
  3 3
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 6:06pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Harriet , b;ame Jews ? I hope you also had in mind Trump supporters like EAD and Reid ?
    
    http://www.jta.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/hadas-gold.png
    
    BTW what do find so appealing about a Dictatorship?
    
    Someone to do your thinking and make decsions for you?
    
    Or … ?
    
    0 15
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 6:13pm
    - Reid
      
      I wish someone would do your thinking stephie. There doesn’t seem to be anyone on watch at the moment.
      
      6 2
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 8:32pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , I dont think Griff will mind but an earlier post by him about you at 7.38 pm ,
        
        Griff
        
        ” I am pretty sure the classified version does not support these assertions with credible evidence
        
        This means the writer has no funkin idea what is actually in the report so his opinion has as much weight as a monkeys in the zoo.
        
        Who would post such a blatantly uninformed opinion on here and think it proves any thing beside he is babbling bullshit from a webshite.? ”
        
        Amen to that !
        
        Thoughts ?
        
        0 5
        Report
        January 7, 2017 8:40pm
      - Reid
        
        Yes I read that stephie. Sometimes Griff and I are on the same page and sometimes we’re not.
        
        Why?
        
        Is that puzzling to you for some reason, that people can sometimes do that?
        
        Are you jealous that unlike Griff, you’re never on the same page as me? Is that it?
        
        6 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 8:53pm
Manolo

Trying to stem the flow of new “Europeans”:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4096628/British-troops-deployed-Sierra-Leone-Africa-mission-halt-migrants-coming-Europe.html

British troops have deployed to Sierra Leone as part of a new Africa mission to stop the migrant flow to Europe at its source.

Some 90 UK soldiers joined local troops in the jungle for the first time ever as the Armed Forces seeks to increase its military footprint in the region.
5 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 6:48pm
Scorpion

Australia’s issues with Potential Jihad just ratcheted up a notch with a security breach at the Lucas heights Nuclear facility?

Interesting article to read
The Court Case will be fascinating
No Further comment

http://www.smh.com.au/national/lucas-heights-security-boss-anthony-haddad-charged-over-official-secrets-gun-20161223-gthdwv.html
4 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:10pm
nasska

I was brought up in a pretty rough area.

The priest at the local Catholic church had to leave because of a child abuse scandal.

He was raped by three kids.
6 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:23pm
- Harriet
  
  I never new you were a Priest, poof. 😎
  
  2 6
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 8:40pm
nasska

I wasn’t! But if I had been one you would have been my favourite altar boy. 🙂
7 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:47pm
- Griff
  
  But is Harryit a boy?
  Or is it a girl pretending to be a boy pretending to be a girl?
  
  7 1
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 8:52pm
  - mikenmild
    
    You’ve got your mother in a whirl
    She’s not sure if you’re a boy or a girl
    
    9 1
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 8:58pm
  - Harriet
    
    I’ll always give credit for the harry-it name. It was well done. But then I did start the ‘grief’ one.
    
    It’s harry. Hope you and Nasska and families had a good xmas and NY too btw. And you too milky.
    
    7 2
    Log in to Reply
    Report
    January 7, 2017 9:15pm
    - mikenmild
      
      At least you’re a better sport than most of the other nutcases.
      
      8 1
      Log in to Reply
      Report
      January 7, 2017 9:19pm
      - Harriet
        
        Cheers Milky, I don’t take it too seriously – sometimes I probably should though – filling DPF’s effort up with crap is not the way to go — GD excepted. It’s surprising how much general knowledge you can learn here from reading people’s comments.
        
        5 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:24pm
      - Griff
        
        I take the grief as a compliment .
        I do give grief .
        
        6 1
        Report
        January 7, 2017 9:34pm
nasska

No Griff. Our correspondent was a boy who pretended to be a girl & became totally submerged in his altar-ego.

But them’s the breaks……someday’s you’re the priest……someday’s you’re the choirboy. 🙂
6 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 8:58pm
- Harriet
  
  Fuck off. 😎
  
  5 2
  Log in to Reply
  Report
  January 7, 2017 9:16pm
Harriet

US mass murderer Charles Manson, who was rushed to hospital earlier this week, is suffering from intestinal bleeding but is too weak to undergo surgery, media reports said on Friday.
The 82-year-old, who is serving nine life sentences for the 1969 grisly killing of seven people, including pregnant actress Sharon Tate, was reportedly transported from California’s Corcoran state prison to a hospital in Bakersfield on Sunday.
The celebrity gossip website TMZ said Manson was supposed to undergo surgery on Thursday but doctors determined he was too weak and the procedure too risky.
TMZ said doctors wanted to perform surgery shortly after he was rushed to hospital but he refused.
Manson finally agreed to go under the knife on Thursday but his condition was too weak, TMZ said.

“Manson remains in hospital and doctors are trying to figure out their next move,” it added
2 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 10:39pm
Harriet

Israel said on Friday it would cut $6 million in funding to the United Nations in 2017 in protest against a U.N. Security Council resolution that demanded an end to Israeli settlement building on land Palestinians want for an independent state.
Israel’s mission to the United Nations said funding would be cut to U.N. bodies it described as “anti-Israel,” including the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People and the Division for Palestinian Rights.
“It is unreasonable for Israel to fund bodies that operate against us at the U.N.,” Israeli U.N. Ambassador Danny Danon said in a statement. “The U.N. must end the absurd reality in which it supports bodies whose sole intent is to spread incitement and anti-Israel propaganda.”
The Israeli mission said it would move ahead with further initiatives aimed at ending anti-Israel activities at the United Nations after Trump takes office on Jan. 20.

3 cheers for muzza if the UN is defunded completely and removed from the US. 😎
4 1
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 10:54pm
Manolo

It must be AGW, claims Griff:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-atmospheric-river-prepare-20170105-story.html

Public agencies across Northern California are bracing for a weekend of epic rain and snow after meeting with hydrologists from the National Weather Service who warned them that the incoming atmospheric river packs a punch not seen in at least a decade.

“People are definitely in a state of panic right now,” said El Dorado County sheriff’s Sgt. Todd Hammitt. “We’re getting a lot of calls asking if we’re going to be able to deal with everything. It’s the general pandemonium of not knowing what’s coming.”
4 2
Log in to Reply
Report
January 7, 2017 11:21pm
KevinH

The sreaming from Waterwomans Kingsland hovel could be heard as far as Western Springs. Nasska was fighting for his life, Waterwoman and her cohorts Govege and Stephiebot had him strapped to her kitchen table, tightly restrained by the ankles and wrists and stark naked his buttocks streaked with red welts from the lashing Waterwoman was dishing out.
Standing over him dressed in heels and nets and a tight leather bodice Waterwoman was screaming: “I want the names, tender number and dollar amounts now or I will get out my big jim strap on and give you a good down trou brown in the ngati whatua room.
I swear you have the wrong man pleaded Nasska, you want Goofy he’ll talk.
No I want you and Griff she said, it doesn’t matter what you know I just want to make you suffer as pay back.
Get it over with then said Nasska, I can handle anything you throw at me.
Give him the armpit snuff said Stephiebot, it worked on Milky.
Smirking before pulling her Hannibal Hector mask over her face Waterwoman said “prepare to die you filthy ratepayer”.
Before she could plunge big jim in to the hilt the kitchen door smashed in .Standing there was Whale to the rescue.
Nevet fear mate I’ll put this communist bitch in her place, I bought my tan attack dog Michele with me she’s outside in the Whalewagon.
It was then the biggest cat fight Kingsland has ever witnessed took place, the dust cloud could be seen as far as Welly and had Winny from Herne Bay breaking his neck to get involved, but in the end Nasska prevailed and Waterwoman was banished to Mt Eden.
2 0
Log in to Reply
Report
January 8, 2017 8:20pm

Add a Comment Cancel reply

Login to comment or vote

« 2016 Predictions Test – John Stringer

Socialist seeks Green nomintion »

Donations

You can now donate to Kiwiblog

Exclusive content from DPF on Patreon

Become a Patron!

Never miss a post

Email Address

Join 37.4K other subscribers

Highlights

Health Target 5 – elective treatments
Health Target 4 – Specialist appointments
Health Target 3 – Emergency Dept Waiting Times
Health Target 2 – Immunisations

Links

John McLean: Jolly Rogers, Nga Mihi...Ngarangi
Breaking Views
END GAME
The Standard
MEDIAWATCH: Q+A – Jack Tame destroys David Seymour
The Daily Blog
Yes I am A Denier and So very Proud to be One.
No Minister
Word of the day
Hompaddock
Guest Post: Response to Max Harris
Utopia
Treaty Principles Debate
NZCPR
Much ado about cussing…
Point of Order
Justice in Brazil
No Right Turn
"Seymour is only doing openly what M?ori nationalists and their Pakeha allies have been doing, quietly for the past 50 years."
Not PC
The transgender agenda sunk Kamala
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
What does “reciprocity” mean in New Zealand laws?
Croaking Cassandra
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz

editor@kiwiblog.co.nz

PO Box 12270, Thorndon, Wellington 6144

Facebook
Twitter
FourSquare
Instagram
LinkedIn
Google+

Archives
Disclosure Statement
Editorial Policy
Privacy Policy
Complaints Policy
Comments Policy

Design by cre8d