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Paulus

As a New Year’s Resolution I have expunged the following words from my vocabulary less sad Devoid should complain —
White
Brown
Chocolate
Black.
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January 6, 2017 8:02am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  That won’t save you, if you are white the Progressives will still accuse of being a racist BY DEFINITION.
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:06am
  - jonar
    
    Even worse he hasn’t dropped any adverbs so he’s still got to contend with Kimbo.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:16am
    - Kimbo
      
      Only if they are excessively and unnecessarily over-egging the lack of substance in one’s argument. 😉
      
      But thanks for the plug for Kimbo’s law (TM)
      
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      January 6, 2017 1:28pm
  - PhilBest
    
    The other day, I pointed out that the “racist” John Ansell is married to a non-white, and one of the lefty sneerers on KB made some comment in response like “as if that is a test of whether someone is a racist or not”.
    
    So I think you said it, this time, Jazz-hands. If you have white skin, there is nothing you can do to prove you are not racist, in the eyes of the SJW’s.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:24am
    - Rich Prick
      
      May as well get our money’s worth then. The left always over-reach and achieve the opposite of what they apparently strive for.
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:13am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      If you have white skin, there is nothing you can do to prove you are not racist, in the eyes of the SJW’s.
      
      How about Ansell withdrawing support for convicted criminal Allan Titford who tried to frame Moari?
      
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      January 6, 2017 10:06am
      - PhilBest
        
        Titford is a complicated case. It is a classic tactic of the PC Left, when there is some issue afoot where some white male is the target of a shakedown of some kind, to redefine the issue in terms of whatever shortcomings can be discovered about their target.
        
        No-one is talking about the possibility of injustice done to white male owners of land legitimately purchased by them or their ancestors, “because Titford turned out to be a violent criminal anyway”. That turned out to be soooooo convenient in this case, didn’t it? Even “the Crown” is breathing a sigh of relief over getting off the hook in paying decent compensation for the land!
        
        In fact we see the left apologising for criminals all the time “because they were victims of injustice themselves in the first place, and they just couldn’t handle it”. But none of the usual SJW’s is saying that a guy losing his farm – his life’s work – and being shafted under the Treaty Industry because he is a white male and therefore deemed “in the wrong” automatically, might just have been going through a little bit of mental pressure.
        
        24 years in jail? Multiple murderers of children are often deemed by the SJW’s to be suffering from “vigilante justice” if they get a sentence this long! The whole thing does stink.
        
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        January 6, 2017 12:53pm
    - itstricky
      
      Wife or not, his own supporters want to divorce him:
      
      http://blog.eternalvigilance.me/2015/12/the-lonely-road-my-divorce-from-john-ansell/
      
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      January 6, 2017 11:34am
      - CHFR
        
        You lost me at Islamophobe anyone using that word is an idiot IMHO
        
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        January 6, 2017 11:47am
      - itstricky
        
        An idiot who ploughed his money into Ansell’s cause it seems. Are they all idiots? Or just that one because he put the divorce papers in?
        
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        January 6, 2017 1:07pm
      - dirty harry
        
        John Ansell is a fine New Zealander..unlike you asshole.
        
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        January 6, 2017 6:51pm
  - cmm
    
    J-Hands: There’s even a phrase for it: systemic racism/sexism.
    
    Racism/sexism is no longer measured by your thoughts and actions. The whole system of society built by white males (rule of law, science based medicine, logic over emotion, the way computers are designed & programmed,…) is sexist/racist.
    
    It is in your very genes.
    
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    January 6, 2017 10:03am
    - itstricky
      
      That’s very gracious of you cmm, to claim all these marvelous human advances solely the property of the “white man” (whatever that category encompasses, personally I think you might be meaning “Western world” but “white man” sounds better for the cause) without any recognition of any other contributors.
      
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      January 6, 2017 11:41am
      - PhilBest
        
        In the case of “other contributors” it is often questionable where the cultural capital came from. But I agree that it is culture that is important, not race.
        
        One of the examples I am referring to, is the scientific achievements that occurred earlier in Islamic history, where the cultural capital concerned was actually pre-Islamic and a holdover.
        
        http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm
        
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        January 6, 2017 12:42pm
      - cmm
        
        You misread what I wrote.
        
        I’m not claiming that the whites made logic and society. I’m saying that this is what the SJWs say.
        
        The SJWs say that society has been structured by the white patriarchy to be systemically favouring white males and to deliberately exclude others (females and non-whites) from full participation.
        
        ie. Even if the individuals are not racist/sexist, the whole of society is racist/sexist, therefore white males get privilege because the very machinery of society works in a way that favours them.
        
        For example, they will say that the justice system which uses an adversarial court system (ie. is inherently competitive and violent) and requires facts rather than feels (reason and logic are white male constructs) is inherently pro-male and pro-white. Thus the whole system is stacked against females and non-whites.
        
        The same for computers and programming. Some university computer science departments are now doing research to “prove” that computers are fundamentally pro-male/white and anti-female/non-whites because they use white-male logic and different genders solve problems differently. Since the logic used in computers favours white males from the chip level to the software level, it is fundamentally stacked against the way non-white-males think. The same is no doubt true of physics and how to design a bridge etc.
        
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        January 6, 2017 1:18pm
  - itstricky
    
    It’s wierd because there are plenty of white people out there who aren’t labelled racist. I think your statement needs refinement. Let’s try starting with:
    
    If you’re white and you read KB then you are racist by definition.
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:31am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Or, if you make inflammatory remarks like that you likely to be told to get fucked.
      
      So, Get Fucked Itstricky
      
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      January 6, 2017 12:16pm
      - itstricky
        
        I’m just trying to scientifically refine Mr Jizz’s definition. There’s already one exclusion going given it is true that not all White people are labeled racist. We need some more exclusions to get to the bottom of this.
        
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        January 6, 2017 1:24pm
      - dirty harry
        
        I second that AC…
        
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        January 6, 2017 6:52pm
    - PhilBest
      
      I think the approved SJW position, is cringing acceptance that you “are a racist” by virtue of your wrong skin colour, and you must cringe your way through life trying to redeem yourself by fighting social justice wars against others with white skin / males / capitalist exploiters etc
      
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      January 6, 2017 12:37pm
- Biscuit
  
  Tut tut, Paulus…
  
  ‘New Year’ is a racist term too, as Ms Devoy, in her infinite wisdom, would aver that this is a Western, Christian concept and that OTHER far more deserving days should be used as the ‘New Year’ marker.
  
  Matariki, the Jewish New Year and the Chinese New Year all spring to mind as days that might fill the bill on the odd planet Ms Devoy lives in…
  
  I am thinking that The Mad Butcher’s birthday no longer meets her criteria…
  
  Mine, too, I guess…
  
  O darn…
  
  Some good news, though, even assuming she goes to full term, she has only 450 more days left in her tenure as Race Relations Commissioner.
  
  I Googled the list of those who have held that post before:
  
  Dame Susan Devoy (2013 – present)
  Joris de Bres (2002 – 2013)
  Gregory Fortuin (2001 – 2002)
  Dr Rajen Prasad (1995 – 2000)
  John Clarke (1992 – 1995)
  Chris Laidlaw (1989 – 1992)
  Walter Hirsh (1986 – 1989)
  Hiwi Tauroa (1980 – 1986)
  Harry Dansey (1975 – 1979)
  Sir Guy Powles (1972 – 1973)
  
  I’d rate Gregory Fortuin, who I once worked with, as EASILY the best of the ten…
  
  Dame Susan SHOULDN’T enquire of me as to whether or not she made my Nine who qualified for the playoffs…
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:32am
  - pdm
    
    As I recall Hiwi Tauroa was pretty good.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:37am
  - mikenmild
    
    How did you assess all of them? Rajen Prasad and Gregory Fortuin were hopeless. Susan Devoy was ludicrously unqualified.
    I didn’t realise that Powles, our first Ombudsman, was also Race Relations Conciliator.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:43am
    - Biscuit
      
      ‘Hopeless’?
      
      Harsh, mikenmild…
      
      I don’t know enough about too many of the officeholders to comment on their abilities in the role.
      
      But, bearing that in mind, I’d have Fortuin (who at least at the aim of uniting the ‘races’ here rather than adopting the Devoy method of antagonising most of them) on top, Powles second, and Tauroa (I agree, pdm) as the best of the three sportspeople)…
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:03am
    - calendar girl
      
      “…. ludicrously unqualified ….” but she is the first woman, so that makes it OK in some minds. (Not mine!)
      
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      January 6, 2017 10:48am
  - MH
    
    and now it is just a “casual” job at full pay
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:05am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  You left out Coffee.
  
  How about we just shut it down, life will go on.
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:30am
- VicParking
  
  And replace then with
  Latte, Coffee, Mocha and full cream
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:41am
- Fletch
  
  If I was an SJW I would point out that it is telling that the squash balls Devoy used to smack about were always BLACK. Do you think this is a subconscious sign of racism? 😉
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:00am
- MH
  
  according to the TV add Cadbury own the colour purple as a regd trade mark.
  
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  January 6, 2017 7:33pm
  - mikenmild
    
    I believe it is a particular shade of purple, and probably only for the purpose of wrapping chocolate.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:02pm
holysheet

What is it with these snowflakes and their noisy children. Mrs Holy and I went out into the country for a quiet bit of lunch yesterday. Stopped at this quaint cafe, ordered our lunch and went and sat at a table in the sun. At the time. I noticed we were sitting beside an empty play area for kids. As it was not in use, it didn’t bother me.

As our meals arrived, also in came two noisy children. The mother plonked them down in this caged off play area and went to have her lunch at a table across the room. It didn’t take long for these two children to start playing, screaming and yelling. Looking around the room one could see it was annoying other patrons.

Well, I had had enough and turned around and said in a loud voice “Oi, shush” You could have heard a pin drop, as the room went dead quiet as did the children. Mrs Holy gave me a slap on my hand and said I should not have done that. I said “Why not, we don’t have to put up with poorly behaving children”

Later as the waitress took away our plates and bought us our coffees, she thanked me for what I had done. She also said she thought the parents were impressed that the children behaved themselves and sat there quietly playing.

If I could do it, why couldn’t the parents?
And don’t give me this PC crap about it not being my place to do so.
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January 6, 2017 8:02am
- alloytoo
  
  It takes a village to raise a child.
  
  I always try to be aware of how my children’s behavior may affect others, though sometime they’re just too fast to stop……the little one especially…..
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:11am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    You quoted one of the biggest political losers in history.
    
    Its up to parents to control their brats not me.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:12am
    - alloytoo
      
      Sadly in the absence of parental responsibility the village needs to step in.
      
      Think of it as social investment
      
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      January 6, 2017 8:22am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jazz-Hands Mc Feels.
      
      Do you use either masking tape or a cane ?
      
      Or both ?
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:16am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Don’t get me wrong stephieGoy.
        
        I LOVE children, I just couldn’t eat a whole one.
        
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        January 6, 2017 9:48am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  My elderly mum, she always has a story about how last time at The Warehouse or some other Big Box outlet she took on someones out of control kids – running around shrieking.
  
  She has noticed how many mums just stare into their smart phones while ignoring the kid’s behaviour.
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:11am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Interested to know whether you and Mrs H are parents yourselves?
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:17am
  - lifesgood
    
    It shouldn’t matter. Brats are brats and useless parents are useless parents.
    
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    January 6, 2017 9:00am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Parenting other people’s children is really easy.
    
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    January 6, 2017 9:18am
- James Stephenson
  
  It’s just because kids only play up when they feel they’re in a safe environment and comfortable to do so – mine have always (bar one or two occasions) saved their shitty behaviour for when they’re at home.
  
  Having a stranger reprimand them would have instantly removed that comfort factor where a request from their parents maybe wouldn’t.
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:20am
  - PhilBest
    
    Spot on, you beat me to saying that. Many parents actually secretly arrange for a friend to “give my kids a public reprimand”, because this is so much more effective than the parents own tactics that the kids are hardened to.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:28am
    - jcuk
      
      The parents have said no without enforcing it the kids know it is meaningless….a by product of ‘no smacking’.
      I try to not let it bother me but my wife is always looking round in disgust at the noisy brats.
      
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      January 6, 2017 8:34am
  - Flash
    
    Street angels/home devils.
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:13pm
- lifesgood
  
  A lot of school groups come through my work place. It is beyond belief how badly behaved they are and how neither their teachers nor the parent helpers ever discipline the kids. The kids run riot and nobody cares. Unbelievable! Talk about bringing up a country of spoilt entitled brats. God help us.
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:26am
  - mikenmild
    
    The kids today! Wouldn’t have happened in my day. But, then again, there were 150 of us, living in shoe box in middle of the road.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:33am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Luxury!
      
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      January 6, 2017 8:39am
    - lifesgood
      
      Ha ha clever clogs.
      
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      January 6, 2017 8:58am
    - Jack5
      
      Good one Milkenmild!
      
      I like the sound of children playing and laughing. We haven’t got enough kids in NZ.
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:18am
      - cmm
        
        I like the sound of kids playing and laughing too… but not in a workplace.
        
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        January 6, 2017 10:14am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Trouble is, you’re conflating “playing and laughing” with “running amok and creating havoc”. They are NOT the same though to some kids they seem to think so.
        
        I was in a library once where some kid decided to have a paddy, screaming and carrying on, and then decided to just pull all the books he could off the shelves onto the floor. Parent (I think it was a parent), did nothing to stop him. After about 2-300 books were on the floor, some damaged, a few of us moved in and stopped him. Parent than abused us and took off out the door leaving a lot of mess to be cleaned up by someone else.
        
        That kind of “playing and laughing” OK with you Jack5 ?
        
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        January 6, 2017 12:27pm
- GoVege
  
  Good one holy.
  What I hate is when scrawny old dragons used to tell ME off for “not controlling” my kids.
  Everyone should know kids don’t obey their own mums!
  A few days ago I saw a little fella bawling his eyes out at McDonald’s with his poor mum putting on her sternest voice threatening to take him home.
  I said to him (with a cheery smile): ” what’s the matter…you’re at McDonald’s aren’t you??!!”
  Instantly stopped performing and 5 minutes later happy as Larry!
  (Admittedly the mum wasn’t white.
  A Pakeha mum would probably have glared at me…but it still would have worked.)
  
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  January 6, 2017 10:44am
  - waikatogirl
    
    The mother threatening the kid with removing him from McD’s and actually doing it are two different things. How often has she tried that one before her child cottoned onto the empty threat!
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:48am
- Fletch
  
  Your story reminds me of an anecdote I read in the Reader’s Digest one time. It seems a mother and child were out in public somewhere and the child was playing up, and kicking up a fuss. Well, a kindly-looking little old lady leaned near the child and whispered something in his ear. After that, the child was quiet and well-behaved. The person who had sent in the letter to the Digest was intrigued and asked the old lady what she had said. She replied, “I told him – sonny, if you don’t behave, I’m going to break your arm” 😆
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:08am
- doggone7
  
  Is Mrs Holly expecting a call?
  Having been reported for “domestic violence “?
  (Even though you weren’t at home.)
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:17am
- itstricky
  
  Snoflake taking offence at noise. Whatever next?
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:49am
- Sideoiler
  
  What is it with these snowflakes and their noisy children
  
  I can remember the time when “seen and not heard” was the order of the day, hopefully it will become “retro” and make a come back.
  What I find truly annoying is the parents that think their children running riot is acceptable.
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:03pm
Tauhei Notts

England’s The Spectator reports that 350 South Africans play professional rugby in Europe. With their country’s racial quota system there is little chance of them making the Springbok team.
Think, for a moment, how good the Springboks would be if their selectors had unrestricted access to all of those 350.
I wonder if it is South Africa’s racist policies that are making the All Blacks look so good.
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January 6, 2017 8:07am
- mikenmild
  
  Because only South Africa could ever beat NZ?
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:10am
  - James Stephenson
    
    Only South Africa has the cream of its sporting youngsters wanting to play the game in the same way as NZ. Even in Wales, Rugby struggles to compete with Football.
    
    Steve Gerrard would have made a fantastic Fly Half.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:24am
    - Disaster Area
      
      ‘Steve Gerrard would have made a fantastic Fly Half.’
      
      I’m sure that thought kept him going during the long nights he was England Captain, winning the European Cup and earning $200,000 a week.
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:20am
  - pdm
    
    They have always been the team most likely to.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:26am
    - stephieboy
      
      Not any nore . The code has suffered since the end of apartheid and that is mainly because it is no longer the centre of attention .
      
      Also it is now obviously a minority sport .
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:22am
      - cmm
        
        Yes rugby was always a minority sport in South Africa with soccer being the most popular sport.
        
        So why then does Zuma and the ANC insist on screwing up rugby? Because it is only of interest to a minority – whites.
        
        If it was no longer the centre of attention then they should have just left it alone and not interfered.
        
        Rugby is failing in South Africa for the same reason they’re failing in pretty much all specialized areas in the military as well as in engineering etc. They want quotas in the airforce and the navy and are bending over backwards to achieve them. Navigation officers without highschool maths – not even making the 30% pass mark. Moth-balled fighters because they cannot train enough black pilots to fill the quotas.
        
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        January 6, 2017 10:24am
      - stephieboy
        
        Host of reasons including the fact that the Springboks were at the heart to White Nationalist Afrikaans identity .Also at time when diamonds and gold were still king.
        
        That is no longer and there are other more pressing concerns even than with so called moth balled fighters and alleged low pass rates
        
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        January 6, 2017 10:29am
- alloytoo
  
  It’s a reflection of greater South African Society.
  
  Skills, knowledge and talent are being alienated and those that can seek homes elsewhere.
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:24am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    One or two seem to have washed up in Browns Bay.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:50am
- Mr_Blobby
  
  South Africa did refuse to accept a visit from the Maori rugby team because it was selected on a basis of race.
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:35am
- SGA
  
  350 South Africans play professional rugby in Europe….
  Think, for a moment, how good the Springboks would be if their selectors had unrestricted access to all of those 350.
  
  Perhaps, but I’m not so sure how much of a difference it would make. There are plenty of NZers playing professional rugby in Europe and Japan. Largely they are ex-ABs “cashing in” and players that, while good strong players by overseas standards, are unlikely ever to make the ABs (or in some cases even to be assured a Super rugby contract). How many of that 350 were genuinely SBok material would be debatable, I think.
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:04am
- Dave_1924
  
  Tauhei…. “Think, for a moment, how good the Springboks would be if their selectors had unrestricted access to all of those 350.”
  
  Given the Springboks can and do select eligible players who play in competitions outside of SA what is your point?
  
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  January 6, 2017 12:52pm
- Kimbo
  
  I wonder if it is South Africa’s racist policies that are making the All Blacks look so good.
  
  Maybe. But then as South Africa’s racist policies denied the All Blacks the presence of the players like George Nepia, Jimmy Mill and Johnny Smith on a number of tours over there, one can but observe the old sporting maxim: the luck evens out! 😉
  
  Seriously though, I heard a South African commentator opining that quotas are a distraction to the real problem with South African rugby – shit administrators of all colours. Highlights the greatness of Dr Danie Craven, who ruled there for over 35 years as the benevolent rugby dictator – an Afrikaaner who was anti-Broeder and anti-Nat, worked hard to get Maori on All Black tours to the Republic, worked hard to get South African rugby integrated and non-whites into the Springboks…and was even prepared to travel to meet the ANC in exile in the early 1990s before the South African government. That, and he did all in his power to keep the Springboks playing the All Blacks…all while seeking to achieve his greatest goal – keep the Springboks winning (bastard!).
  
  The greatest rugby personality of the 20th century by the length of the straight – great international player, captain, coach, administrator, law-maker, writer. Oh, yes, and he did all that as a sideline to his full-time career as an academic, where he earned three doctorates (in anthropology, psychology and sports studies). And if that was the sort of superman who was required to keep South African rugby focused and on track…you can see why they have slowly declined since he passed away.
  
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  January 6, 2017 1:13pm
G152

Well Holysheet
Welcome to the world of the snow flakes.
This magnificent edifice replaces the NIMBY and the other socially correct edifices that have been erected to ‘guide’ we ordinary mortals as we blunder about earning livings and doing what we can to get by…
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January 6, 2017 8:12am
Don the Kiwi

For the benefit of Milkmaid and Stephen Boyle in particular for their education –

Obama’s Disastrous Legacy.
By James Arlandson

Obama is proud of himself. He and his devoted followers believe he has left America in better shape than when he found it.

Wrong.

To avoid the accusation of bias and (fake) “fake news,” let’s use the mainstream news media and government websites, in almost every case, to prove that Obama and his core followers are misjudging their own country and the world.

Foreign Affairs………..

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/01/obamas_disastrous_legacy.html#ixzz4Uur2lV9h
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January 6, 2017 8:15am
- mikenmild
  
  Now, now, I’ve given you a list of webshites before, and the ‘American Thinker’ is at the top.
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:22am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    The website is incidental.
    It is a factual piece by James Arlandson.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:26am
    - mikenmild
      
      Ha! The first two ‘facts’ are outright lies about Benghazi and Iraq. But thanks for giving me a chuckle.
      
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      January 6, 2017 8:36am
      - Ed Snack
        
        Mikenmild, neither are lies, in fact your response is a lie. What is it about Obama that makes his supporters so blind to facts ?
        
        Fact: The administration’s policy was to have an embassy compound in Benghazi, and failed to adequately secure it although it was known to be a dangerous location. The ambassador himself requested additional security (several times, and when refused, proposed that the place not be used) but was turned down. Four people died as a result of the Al Qaeda attack. That was as a direct result of the administration’s policy approach to Libya. Implemented by the then SOS but no doubt approved by the then POTUS.
        
        FACT: All US troops were removed from Iraq, and no serious attempt was made to negotiate a mechanism where some would remain. That certainly made it easier for the Shia factions to control the country and to exclude the Sunni factions (concentrated in mainly Western & Southern areas) from any power. That led directly to the success of ISIL in subverting those Sunni groups.
        
        That’s only two of the major fuck-ups that Obama has committed. He’s without any doubt the most ignorant, naive, and downright malevolently foolish president in US history.
        
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        January 6, 2017 8:50am
      - stephieboy
        
        Don the Kiwi, countless investigations have cleared the Obama administation of wrong doing.The last one was highly partisan and designed to inflict as much political damage on HillaryClinton.as possible .
        
        In 1983 the US embassy at Beirut was attacked and bombed leading to the loss of 64 lives including 17 US embassy personnel.
        
        A bi partisan congressional investiagtion was undertaken . Serious security lapses were uncovered but the aim was to find the perpetrators and not fault or punish the Reagan administration.
        
        You and American Thinker don’t seriously believe like Trump that Obama and Hillary Clinton founded and funded ISIS ?
        
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        January 6, 2017 9:30am
      - Fletch
        
        FACT: Hillary, Obama, Susan Rice, and Obama’s press secretary Jay Carney all blamed the Benghazi attack on a youtube video for causing a protest that led to the Sept 11, 2012 attack and deaths. They kept the story up for a whole week. Rice when on five talkshows and told the story. It was untrue. It was a narrative that Hillary started. The 2012 election was close, and Obama couldn’t afford to have that kind of failure breathing down his neck, so they made stuff up to cover their incompetence.
        
        Hillary told the Egyptian Prime Minister the day after the attack – “We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.”
        
        But Hillary blamed the “fog of war” for the lie.
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2PLNngNtQc
        
        The woman should count herself lucky that she isn’t in jail.
        
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        January 6, 2017 11:27am
    - Gabby
      
      Jimbo’s a snoflake and full of donkey wee.
      
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      January 6, 2017 8:59am
Happychappy

I see the Media must be short of believable story’s with Stuff going with the one from every other media outlet published yesterday but this one allows comments. With the story’s that MSM release that are short on facts should high lighted before they try to punch below the belt with this beat up about the Mad Butcher.
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January 6, 2017 8:21am
Reid

A graphic video has emerged of a white special-needs man in Chicago apparently being kidnapped, beaten and tortured by black attackers who can be heard cursing white people and President-elect Donald Trump.

Here’s the story:
Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/f-k-donald-trump-f-k-white-people/#Cx2626OgQu4tC8ji.99

Full video is here:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=154_1483565133

BLM is funded by Soros and as everyone but mm and stephie understands, Soros is one of the most evil men on the planet. Everything he does is evil. It’s normally disguised as benevolence to make it difficult for those of us who recognise truth to denounce it, since the useful idiots all pile in and weep and wail about the humanity represented by the magnificent organisation in question.

So what’s the BLM evil? Think about it. Every major urban centre in the US has a significant population of poor, angry, ill-educated and well-armed blacks. What do you think those people would do if there were no authorities to stop them? BLM is there to rile them up, to make them angry, to make them believe their lot in life is because white people keep them down. This is Soros’ style. And of course all the white urban liberal airhead useful idiots who don’t know this is the purpose of BLM climb on and wilfully help them, because the morons really believe BLM stands for human wights and good things.

So what could trigger such a devastating crisis? Many things. You remember this a few years ago which illustrated life if the power went down? Or it could be the economy.

The bottom line is, it doesn’t really matter what triggers the crisis, what matters is what happens after its triggered.
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January 6, 2017 8:51am
- Simon
  
  Fake news US MSM has radicalised hundreds of thousands in the US. BLM is incidental. If BLM was reported accurately then they wouldnt matter.
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:08am
  - Reid
    
    Yes BLM isn’t the only player in the program, but it is not merely incidental, you can see that from the resources they give it and the amount of airtime it gets.
    
    And of course BLM won’t be reported accurately and it never will be, by the MSM. That’s just de rigeour.
    
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    January 6, 2017 9:16am
  - Fletch
    
    BLM is nothing but a separatist hate group.
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:36am
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , I can assure you that despicable this crime is you can surely find similar acts of criminality pointing the other way in the US as eleswhere .
  
  BTW I understand that the special needs victim was not known to be a Trump supporter .It could be the attackers taunts could be simply mockery and alluding to Trump’s own mockery against those ( like the victim )with special needs.
  
  Of course that does not take away the nastiness of their actions .Nor excuse them..
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:41am
  - Inandout
    
    Warning: Stephie deflect!
    
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    January 6, 2017 9:58am
  - Ed Snack
    
    What a joke; “not known to be a Trump supporter”. But I guess he was known to be “white”.
    
    I note that several major US networks did not report this at all, and one other (CNN) left out the information on the racist taunting. Now just imagine if 4 white teenagers had done something similar to a black youth, we wouldn’t need to read the news, the screaming noise would reach NZ directly and we would ALL be guilty of aiding and abetting this dreadful, horrible, crime.
    
    Racism is obviously a crime that is acceptable for some to practice, but abhorrent if others do, based purely on skin colour.
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:33pm
rightoverlabour

Stuff has a puff piece on racist justice. Is it possible that Maori are over represented in jail because, maybe, they commit more serious crime?
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January 6, 2017 9:18am
- Reid
  
  The question is: why do they?
  
  That’s what the media never discuss but it’s the only question worth discussing. Because the answer to this question is what liberals base their naive beliefs on which have resulted in a benevolent system which malevolent players take advantage of.
  
  But if we did have a national discussion on this through the media we could reach some rough consensus on the balance between reality and the idiotic liberal fantasies.
  
  But that won’t happen because the media isn’t interested in anything like that because it’s not compelling enough plus the entire MSM is infested with liberals who know their arguments would be ripped to shreds once any serious analysis was done on national tv.
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:30am
  - Griff
    
    why do they?
    
    Culture.
    Maori culture is corrupt.
    The stone age and the modern world are not compatible.
    Many maori leave New Zealand to escape the culture.
    
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    January 6, 2017 10:15am
    - GoVege
      
      Not just Maori culture, virtually all non-western cultures are corrupt and sexist.
      But immigrants from these other cultures usually make some attempt to adopt western attitudes.
      I lived for years next to a lovely Maori guy who was always helping his useless relies.
      They taught their (umpteen) kids crime, took them on burglaries as babies and later on pimped them out with Maori gangs.
      I wonder why he married a pakeha…
      
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      January 6, 2017 11:00am
    - Ed Snack
      
      And here I actually agree with Griff, it’s not race or genetics, the single major influence is culture.
      
      A similar cultural mindset occurs in other groups including one we could label “bogan”.
      
      But I don’t think it is “the stone age” as such, it is that the cultural mindset that was successful in pre-European NZ translates poorly to the present, and the evolution of that culture is almost entirely stifled by groups for a variety of reasons; most of which are not benignly intended.
      
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      January 6, 2017 12:38pm
  - cmm
    
    It is really hard for Maori to break the cycle because of such huge pressures within Maori social groups.
    
    If a Maori kid studies and tries hard to be successful then the typical outcome is being put down by his mates for “acting white” etc.
    
    As long as taking steps towards being successful are seen as “acting white” only very few people are going to make progress. A couple of years back I listened to a Maori guy giving a speech at Canterbury Uni who said this was the hardest part of his life. He’d had to break from his old mates and cousins etc and form a completely new social circle which valued success.
    
    This is not just a race issue either. We see this in some white families too. As soon as a kid starts getting good marks and talking about going to university they get hit with a barrage of “Oh so you’re too good to be a fork-lift driver like me”.
    
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    January 6, 2017 10:35am
- jonar
  
  It’s saying that if a Maori and a Pakeha commit the same crime then the Maori is more likely to be imprisoned. This is backed up by stats. The Ministry of Justice has appointed someone to tackle the problem so even the government thinks it’s an issue.
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:32am
  - Reid
    
    Yes it probably is saying that but so what? That’s not the right question. That’s got nothing to with the right question.
    
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    January 6, 2017 9:40am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , on KB there is tendency of some posters to point to the short comings of Maori in Crime stats . The whys and where fors are not simple to explain away.
      
      .Suffice to say if there is a despicable incident then you can be sure to find an equivalent committed by a Pakeha. You see this a great deal when Maori are charged with say fraud , embezzlement or sex abuse .
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:47am
      - Manolo
        
        You, eternal apologist for criminals…
        
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        January 6, 2017 10:10am
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo , don’t lie ?You believe that NZ whites are not involved in large scale fraud or sex abuse like pedophilia ?
        
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        January 6, 2017 10:34am
      - Reid
        
        It doesn’t matter dumbo because that’s not what we’re discussing.
        
        Hence the above comment from someone on your deflecting. Normally I’d agree but I actually think you’re so profoundly dumb you’re not deflecting you seriously think that this point, which you drag out a lot, is germane.
        
        Newsflash moron, we’re not discussing why white people commit crime, we’re discussing why Maori people do. If you want to discuss why white people do crime, start your own thread, but don’t raise it when we start discussing an aspect of Maori crime, because it’s not relevant, at all.
        
        Get it?
        
        (I know you don’t.)
        
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        January 6, 2017 1:38pm
  - Zapper
    
    Do the Maori and Pakeha who commit the same crime have the same priors?
    
    And why is no-one worried about the proportion of men in jail? Surely that can only be explained by discrimination? Nothing to do with criminal behaviour.
    
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    January 6, 2017 9:52am
    - GoVege
      
      We have too many people in jail full stop.
      Jail should be reserved for people who are actually dangerous to the public (or their families) which tends to be men.
      
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      January 6, 2017 11:03am
      - cmm
        
        Ok, I’ll bite…
        
        What alternatives can you offer to drive home the point that crime is not acceptable in society?
        
        No wonder our prisons are full – they’re just a home away from home for most gang members.
        
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        January 6, 2017 11:29am
      - GoVege
        
        The gangs are homes for unwanted Maori teenagers, the product of Maori “leaders” brainwashing their people that they shouldn’t use contraception because “every child is a gift from God”.
        If one Maori leader was brave enough to get up and tell the people to PLAN their families, the jail population would halve in no time.
        
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        January 6, 2017 12:27pm
      - GoVege
        
        Cmm: non- violent offenders could all be punished at a fraction of the cost of jail on home detention, rather than at 100gs per annum at “university”.
        
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        January 6, 2017 12:30pm
  - Ed Snack
    
    Jonar, if you then normalize that data by previous criminal history, the difference disappears.
    
    Maori are more likely to be imprisoned almost entirely because they typically have a much longer history of committing such crimes. That history is very significant in sentencing.
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:40pm
    - GoVege
      
      Ed: only because many Maori kids have been taught crime from an early age by their mum/parents.
      Some of us are fortunate to have parents that teach us right from wrong, and don’t practise bad habits around them.
      Others are unfortunate enough to have parents who teach them to steal, smoke and booze and take drugs in front of them, and even worse.
      Is it really all their fault they end up on the wrong side of the law?
      
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      January 6, 2017 1:21pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        GoVege, I wouldn’t disagree entirely, but in the end individuals are responsible for themselves.
        
        This isn’t an issue that lends itself to an instant solution, to perhaps utter a truism.
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:19pm
      - GoVege
        
        I agree Ed. ..somewhere along the line they do have to take personal responsibility.
        But doesn’t society owe kids the chance to have a halfway decent upbringing?
        Not pay their “parents” to abuse and neglect them while spending the payments meant for those kids on their addictions.
        There are hundreds, maybe thousands of people dragging up kids, leaving them home alone or in the care of 7 year olds (who are being deprived of the most basic education to do the job their parents are being paid to do.)
        And guess who’s paying for countless kids to be brought up to be criminals?
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:51pm
Zapper

This sums up my Facebook feed perfectly:

http://www.betootaadvocate.com/uncategorized/inner-city-lefty-saves-the-world-by-posting-lefty-stuff-on-facebook-to-other-leftys/

It only overlooks the referring of people who disagree with them as “privileged” while considering themselves to be oppressed and under-privileged.
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January 6, 2017 9:33am
fernglas

I love the Stuff piece on Sir Peter Leitch today. It describes him as “benighted”. No doubt the on-call muppet who wrote the piece thinks it means someone who has been given a Knighthood. In fact, the definition is:
“In a state of pitiful or contemptible intellectual or moral ignorance:”
Sue their arses, Mad Butcher.
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January 6, 2017 9:42am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Probably a deliberate pun, fern.
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:50am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Nope, I’ll go with the ignorance angle
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:35pm
VicParking

White boy commits crime A, gets supervision
Coffee boy commits crime A, get prision
Racist judicial system
Dig deeper White boy first crime, coffee boy has a rap sheet a mile long.
Here come the down ticks
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January 6, 2017 9:52am
- Gabby
  
  Dig even deeper, find white boy ‘bit of a character’ let off with warning, dad had a word with cop’s boss, changed schools before shit hit fan, so record as clean as a whistle.
  
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  January 6, 2017 10:04am
  - itstricky
    
    Recent evidence the bloke who pleaded for lenient sentence because he just “had to go to Europe for the hatch racing” (or whatever it was)
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:55am
    - cmm
      
      Yup all these blokes should have had the book thrown at them, along with :
      * the stomping rugby player
      * the prince who was let off because it might interfere with his chance of being the Maori king.
      
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      January 6, 2017 12:06pm
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        And, be fair, the little shit prince was discharged without conviction for stealing those surfboards (after his royal fucktardness had a word with some one who had a word . . . . ) so not just the whitey boys getting the ‘pass’
        
        Diversion for driving offences for the bro’s in South Auckland, a privilege not extended to the whitey boys, administered by a police officer of colour anyone?
        
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        January 6, 2017 12:43pm
  - cmm
    
    Gabby. Find out about pre-charge warnings:
    
    http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/pre-charge-warnings-alternative-resolutions-evaluation-report.pdf
    
    Skip to page 27 to save some of that boring reading stuff…
    
    Maori and Pacific Islanders are far more likely to get PCWs than the general population even though they are more likely to have prior convictions.
    
    eg. in Auckaland city 18% of PCWs were given to Maori although Maori are only 8% of the population. ie. Maori are 2.5 times more likely to get a PCW than the general population.
    
    In other words, the system is bending over backwards to be lenient to Maori…. and it is not working.
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:04pm
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      I believe Maori are approximately 17% of the population and perhaps even more than that in Auckland
      
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      January 6, 2017 12:45pm
      - Paulus
        
        What, please tell me, is a Maori ?
        I understand that there are no Maori only a mixture of races derived from various Pakeha and Maori many years ago.
        
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        January 6, 2017 1:47pm
      - cmm
        
        Have a look at the report I cite. Three clicks or so….
        
        It gives the 8% Maori number for Auckland policing area which excludes Counties Manukau.
        
        “The 2006 Census shows 15% of the population in Counties Manukau were Maori, compared with 8% in Auckland and 9% in Waitemata”
        
        For Manukau, the PCW rate was 35% for Maori vs 15% of the population. ie. Maori were more than 2 times more likely to get PCWs than the general population.
        
        The system is NOT stacked against the brown fellas.
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:07pm
- stephieboy
  
  VicParking, it can be useful if you punch a police officer unconscious that Dad can hire a sliver tongued QC or other expensive brief .
  
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  January 6, 2017 10:05am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yum, yum
    slivered tongue
    http://www.katzsdelicatessen.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/600x/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/o/tongue.a_1.jpg
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:24am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Exaclty – the anti white Progressives are lying about the “racist legal system”.
  
  Maoris commit more crime ergo get thrown in the slammer more.
  
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  January 6, 2017 10:09am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    And there it is in a single simple sentence
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:46pm
  - publicwatchdog
    
    How many ‘white collar’ criminals are Maori?
    
    How many ‘white collar’ criminals are jailed compared with ‘blue collar’ criminals?
    
    Penny Bright
    
    2017 Mt Albert by-Election Independent candidate.
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:31pm
    - sooty
      
      Look in the mirror you silly old thing! You will see one looking back.
      
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      January 6, 2017 8:44pm
    - mikenmild
      
      How many rates dodgers should be in prison?
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:11pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

An elderly relative ( a die hard lefty ) was reminiscing about childhood memories at an Auckland beach.

The family took him to that beach over Christmas.

I think he still had in his mind an idyllic vision of Victorian times of peaceful white NZers promenading and taking the air.

He was in for a HUGE shock.

First warning sign on arrival was the cop car in the carpark.

The crowd was 95% brown and fat. I mean FAT. Even the sprogs were FAT, with huge swollen chipmunk cheeks that literally squeezed their eyes into a narrow oriental look.

And they STARED hard at the few whites who walked by.

Huge tubs of fried chicken from the Colonel being rapidly devoured.

Negro rap/hip hop blaring from multiple ghetto blasters they had waddled down onto the beach with.

Ugly DIY tattoos.

Smoking.

I think that is one oldskool Lefty who may have shifted a bit further to the Right after witnessing the reality of Diversity and Multiculturalism.
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January 6, 2017 10:07am
- stephieboy
  
  Jazz Hands Mc Feels, a deep chip on both of your shoulders ?
  
  Go and visit your Doctor !
  
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  January 6, 2017 10:37am
- GoVege
  
  Next time tell him to say “malo” to the obese ones.
  If they smile and say “malo” back, he’s perfectly safe and they’ll probably offer to share their fried chook.
  If they look angry and start muttering about “smart pakehas”, they’ll be natives.
  Try another beach.
  
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  January 6, 2017 10:53am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Lol. I’d love to see how the fried chicken gets shared after a simple Malo.
    
    Did you just make that whole thing up in your mind while safe in you Vegan commune in Grey Lynn matie?
    
    Hate to tell you its not how it works in real life.
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:10am
    - GoVege
      
      Pacific Islanders are very kind and generous people.
      I know….I’m married to one.
      
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      January 6, 2017 12:37pm
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        #notall
        
        One starling doesn’t make a spring. Or however that proverb goes.
        
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        January 6, 2017 1:28pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        “I talk in a daze, I walk in a maze
        I cannot get out, said the starling”
        
        -Nabokov (Lolita)
        
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        January 6, 2017 7:30pm
- kowtow
  
  JH Mc F
  
  You have painted a very graphic picture of 21 st century poverty in Aotearoa.
  
  Beach , cars to get there , “music” on imported appliances , plenty to eat an underlying menacing atmosphere , oh and lots of “colour.”
  
  But your literary efforts won’t win you any prizes , only whites who pay the taxes that keep these people in such “poverty” can be the proper subject of anything negative.
  
  Poverty in Dunedin is so extreme some people have had to resort to raping the seas in order to eat…….
  
  https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/police/undersized-paua-seized
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:35am
- Inandout
  
  JJMF: Long Bay, aka lava-lava Bay, was it?
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:41am
  - GoVege
    
    Is that the bay where some kind Samoan man who offered to include a lonely-looking Maori guy in their family gathering got stabbed to death for his trouble?
    Maybe it was Shakespeare Bay or somewhere else.
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:50pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    No, as there is no KFC, could have been Browns Bay aside from the KFC once again
    
    Browns is good as the pollies all get there and have a great family time together, they are large and are mirrored by the large white suddies and ‘whenwes’ (Rhodesians constantly saying ‘when we were in Zimbabwe’ and when we controlled Zim’)
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:55pm
Manolo

A traitorous Frog:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4088784/French-olive-farmer-37-folk-hero-helping-African-migrants-slip-border-Italy-faces-five-years-prison-guilty-trial.html

A French olive farmer, who has become a folk hero for helping African migrants slip across the border from Italy and giving them shelter, went on trial today for aiding illegal immigrants.

Cedric Herrou, 37, is one of three people to appear before the courts in southern France for assisting migrants fleeing war, poverty and persecution to Europe.

He is accused of ‘helping undocumented foreigners enter, move about and reside in’ France and risks up to five years in prison and a 30,000 euro (£25,500) fine if convicted.
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January 6, 2017 10:18am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “fleeing war, poverty and persecution”
  
  Funny how EVERY non white country in the world suffers from one or a combo of these.
  
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  January 6, 2017 10:28am
- cmm
  
  but, but, but,… Africa is perfect and peaceful now that the colonialists have been thrown out. Where is all the war, poverty and persecution coming from?
  
  Why would they want to leave paradise and go to the land of their colonial oppressors?
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:35am
All_on_Red

Good to see Whale put the boot into the useless Michelle Boag
http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2017/01/oh-crying-loud-shut-already/#more-289788
It’s encouraging to see the comment that the National Party are going to distance themselves from her.
Good job and about time!
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January 6, 2017 10:31am
- stephieboy
  
  All on Red , recovering from yet another drubbing from yesterday ?
  
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  January 6, 2017 10:39am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Still recovering from the drubbing you degenerate leftists got from Trump?
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:10am
  - thedavincimode
    
    What are you stephie? Three?
    
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    January 6, 2017 11:21am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Bwaahahaha –(gasp for air)–Hahahahahahahaa
    
    Stupidboy thinks he gave A O R a drubbing.
    
    😆 :lol:: 😆
    
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    January 6, 2017 1:09pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Drubbing? What?
    Hey Stephie, can’t say anyone could ever compete with your level of idiocy after believing that Huff Po satire piece!!!!!!
    Call them, they have some Wall to sell you. You might even get your name on your piece!
    Unbelievable.
    
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    January 6, 2017 2:06pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , perfectly believable.
      
      A reminder ,
      
      This Is How Chicago Gets Flooded With Illegal Guns
      
      “Q: Where do you get an illegal firearm?
      
      A: From someplace where it’s legal.
      
      ……..”
      
      https://mic.com/articles/127842/this-is-how-chicago-gets-flooded-with-illegal-guns#.id02xz8CJ
      
      A sucker like you planning to buy a commemorative brick when Thwump begins building his ” Metaphor” ?
      
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      January 6, 2017 2:13pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie idiot.
        New York has strict gun laws.( like Chicago)It is next to Vermont which doesn’t.(like Chicago is next to Missouri- although felons can’t buy guns in Missouri)
        So it’s easy to get guns in Vermont to take back to New York.
        New York has relatively low crime despite this.
        So perhaps the reason there are so many murders in Chicago is not because they get guns from a neighbouring state,.
        Perhaps it’s because the politicians in Chicago make it very very hard for the Police to do stop and search. Lots of paperwork because of the ACLU
        Perhaps it’s because the Police have given up on trying to deal to the gangs whereas in NY its Policy to hammer the gangs for every little reason.
        They apply the 80/20 rule.20% do all the crime so target that group.
        There you go, happy to spend time explaining why you are so thick it is just embarrassing.
        
        Edit, oh and that’s what a drubbing looks like ?
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:21pm
      - Ed Snack
        
        Or perhaps from an Alcohol & Tobacco Authority agent as part of a puerile sting intended to create a cause celebre for the gun control advocates….and then have all those weapons somehow go “missing”….and then turn up in the hands of Mexican drug gangs killing US Border agents and others…yeah maybe like that ?
        
        (Look up “Fast and Furious”)
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:24pm
Manolo

Regardless of political colour, these “people” are beasts:
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/chicago-police-say-charges-coming-after-facebook-video-shows-torture-of-disabled-man/ar-BBxWp7S?li=AAgfLCP&ocid=mailsignout
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January 6, 2017 10:37am
- cmm
  
  It’s certainly not just these people who are sick. It is also all their social media circle who kept egging this on and allowing it to continue for over a day.
  
  That’s the problem with mob mentality. Saw the same thing in South Africa with the necklacing. (Hint if you don’t know what necklacing is and want to Google it: don’t do it if you’ve just eaten or intend to eat in the next hour or so). It’s not just one or two people doing it – it’s the whole mob participating and watching.
  
  Yes stephie we know there are also a few Dylan Roofs in the world too.
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:44am
  - kowtow
    
    In the UK too.
    
    Paki drug dealer gets justice but the “locals” are revolting.
    
    Holiday diversion , spot the whitee among the protesters.
    
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4090258/This-thought-happens-America-not-Father-self-styled-Stud-Badboy-says-police-executed-son-likens-death-Mark-Duggan-s-family-demand-justice-roadside-vigil.html
    
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    January 6, 2017 12:02pm
- cmm
  
  I like how the MSM are playing this down trying to give the people who did this excuses and make them seem less culpable.
  
  Stuff call them four teens: http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/88182257/four-teens-charged-after-mentally-ill-mans-kidnap-and-torture-is-broadcast-on-facebook-live
  
  Two are 18, the others are 24 and 28. That averages out at 22. Teens they are not!
  
  Nor are they sweet little kiddies who just went off the rails once. Three of them face other charges: burglary, car theft, …..
  
  stephie: Special for you “alleged”.
  
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  January 6, 2017 2:16pm
Manolo

The multiculturalist would agree with the hack, of course:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/05/crazy-cnn-panelist-blames-trump-for-kidnapped-tortured-white-man-that-is-not-a-hate-crime-video/
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January 6, 2017 11:13am
- cmm
  
  By that same logic Obama would be responsible for Dylan Roof.
  
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  January 6, 2017 12:46pm
thedavincimode

Here’s a good holiday question to divert attention from all the predictable and repetitive rancour here:

Are jet skis the most pointless thing that has ever been invented? Surely it’s inevitable the owners will identify themselves as complete knob-ends in some other fashion, thereby making the jet ski entirely redundant.
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January 6, 2017 11:20am
- Andrei
  
  https://youtu.be/F04RcHLmiSw
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:32am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  What do you have again jet ski’s?
  
  It’s like a water motorcycle but without the instant death if you crash. Plus you can tow a whole sea biscuit full of moisties behind it, which will make you very popular with the moisties.
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:47am
- cmm
  
  Jetskis do have some practical purposes (eg. can be used as a small fishing boat).
  
  My most satisfying encounter with a jet-skier was in Cape Town in 1983. Some mates and I were free diving for crayfish and perlemoen (SA version of paua – generally a bit bigger). After 10 minutes of this dick buzzing us, someone threw a large perlemoen which hit him in the chest, knocking him off the jetski. He got the message and buggered off.
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:49am
- cha
  
  Are jet skis the most pointless thing that has ever been invented?
  
  They have their uses.
  
  https://youtu.be/9RXGY9KDifU?t=40s
  
  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Teahupoo+tow+in+
  
  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=shipstern+tow-in
  
  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Mullaghmore+tow+in
  
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  January 6, 2017 12:46pm
Fletch

The Washington Post uses the wrong gender symbol on its cover for a story on the women’s march to Washington (yes, it’s a thing *sigh*)

http://thehill.com/media/312836-washington-posts-express-uses-male-symbol-for-cover-story-on-womens-march
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January 6, 2017 11:53am
- kowtow
  
  Casual sexism!
  
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  January 6, 2017 11:56am
kowtow

Talking of racism , I’d like to share this bit of advice from the Groaniad on how we can make a difference……

“Decentralize whiteness
Just about every aspect of western culture centralizes whiteness. Our history, infrastructure, medical system, justice system, education system, entertainment industry – and yes, our social justice organizations – all do this. Whiteness is default, it’s ubiquitous and it’s insidious.”

OK honkies?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/01/how-to-keep-fighting-for-justice-in-2017
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January 6, 2017 12:22pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Wow.
  
  What a great article. If you replace Whiteness, with Jewness or Blackness, could have been writen by Hitler or the KKK Grand Dragon himself.
  
  Fucking hell, and published in a mainstream newspaper too.
  
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  January 6, 2017 12:33pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    ‘Decentralise whiteness’, that’s new, whatever next?
    
    A good read and confirms what most on here already suspect and know, worth the 5 minutes of your time
    
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    January 6, 2017 1:05pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “Just about every aspect of western culture centralizes whiteness.”
  
  That’s because white people built it.
  
  I’m pretty sure China centralises yellowness.
  
  The author, Ijeoma Oluo, is a negress ( with blue dreadlocks, LOL ). She needs to be sent back to her ancestral homeland, she has no place in Western Civilisation.
  
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  January 6, 2017 2:44pm
cmm

Williams says it is really hard to play tennis in NZ: http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/destinations/nz/88144385/things-that-are-easy-and-notsoeasy-to-do-in-new-zealand

Sweetie, you’re a pro. It should be easier for you than for your less skilled opponents.

Can’t do the job properly? Don’t take the koha.
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January 6, 2017 12:30pm
- Longknives
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11777337
  
  What astounds me is how Tournament Organisers couldn’t see this coming? Williams has been behaving like a petulant child and pulling stunts like this for years..
  
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  January 6, 2017 1:21pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Welcome to female sports.
    
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    January 6, 2017 2:46pm
waikatosinger

Our race relations conciliator isn’t very … conciliatory.. A conciliator is supposed to bring people together and resolve misunderstandings, a bit like having a fireman around to put out fires. Dame Susan approaches the job by finding small smouldering embers of racial resentment caused by poor communication and does the equivalent of pouring petrol on them by throwing around accusations of racism.

We don’t need a fireman who sprays petrol on fires. Nor do we need a conciliator who can’t conciliate; who exacerbates resentments and tensions rather than reducing them; and who has a talent for turning small private disagreements into big public flaming rows.
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January 6, 2017 12:44pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Sorry, but I have to inform you the race relations office is like the “Ministry of Truth” or “Ministry of Love” in Orwell’s 1984. Its purpose is the opposite of what its title suggest.
  
  In the case of the Race Relations Department, its only purpose is to help lubricate the process of slow replacement/ethnic cleansing of whites in NZ – in accordance with the Globohomoist 3rd World immigration drive to overwhelm white homelands.
  
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  January 6, 2017 1:35pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ethnic cleansing etc?
    
    You mean this kind of thing Kosovo ?
    
    https://msu.edu/course/pls/461/stein/091698yugo-kosovo_2.jpg
    
    Who is forcing you to move from your “homeland ” ?
    
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    January 6, 2017 1:50pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      NZ is a white country.
      
      Seriously, you think this place would be a prosperous stable democracy if whitey hadn’t dropped anchor here?
      
      Please point to an example of a thriving democracy in the South Pacific that isn’t white Northern European majority.
      
      Just remember Maoris need us ( if they want to enjoy a decent standard of living and political freedoms ), we don’t need them.
      
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      January 6, 2017 2:49pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      “You mean this kind of thing Kosovo ?”
      
      The Balkans – an illustrative example of the consequences of having large populations of mohammedans in close proximity to you.
      
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      January 6, 2017 2:56pm
- Johnboy
  
  Its utterly amazing to me how you can be elevated to high office in Godzone merely by having some ability to kick a ball or hit one with a stick of some sort.
  
  The sooner Devoy’s position is devoid of her the better and preferably we grow up as a nation and make the position redundant along with her. 🙂
  
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  January 6, 2017 2:07pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Now, now, JB. At the risk of becoming a target of your ball-bustingly amusing attention, it is only fair to mention that it was Devoy’s advocacy and work for the disabled (which was also part of the reason for her gong) that secured her a similar advocacy role as Race Relations Commissioner.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10872580
    
    But irrespective of Devoy, I whole-heatedly agree that the time to abolish the position has long-since arrived. Instead, our race-relations would benefit from a period of “benign neglect” from government.
    
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    January 6, 2017 2:14pm
    - Johnboy
      
      Alright Kimbo. But you must admit her TV ad’s were very contrived and stilted, somewhat like her tenure as RRC.
      
      Both d4j and I look forward to Richie taking over! 🙂
      
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      January 6, 2017 2:18pm
      - waikatosinger
        
        Unlike Devoy, Richie plays a team sport. He knows how to lead and work with people from diverse ethnic backgrounds (just look at the ABs). Full Credit and I think he’d make a bloody good conciliator. Although really he’d be mad to take the job.
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:35pm
Dave_1924

DPF – seriously can we MOVE the Report button well away from everything else or add a confirmation line into the code for the Report button click….. I have butter fingers and have pushed it by mistake a few times recently…
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January 6, 2017 12:55pm
- Kimbo
  
  Didn’t you once say you were coached by the former Canterbury and All Black winger, Ross Smith? – who, along with Ron Jarden somehow achieved the feat in safety-first 1950s NZ rugby of scoring 100 first class tries. So much for your handling skills! Here, take some advice from your old coach:
  
  Alan Direen, a promising player at Hillmorton High School recalls being pulled aside by Smith and told in no uncertain terms that when he was passed the ball, “…it HAD to be end on end not tumbling all over the bloody place.”
  
  http://www.christchurchfootballclub.co.nz/the-club/our-all-blacks/r-m-smith/
  
  😉
  
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  January 6, 2017 1:40pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  But it provides the admin with the perfect foil –
  
  “Sorry we are doing our best to respond to all complaints but we are currently overwhelmed by a huge backlog of frivolous, petty report requests, and it may be sometime before we can get back to you…”
  
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  January 6, 2017 1:43pm
publicwatchdog

A serious question for Mikenmild.

Do you have any idea how widespread is the practice of ‘public officials’ simultaneously being private ‘consultants’?

Which was the mechanism used by the corrupt ‘public official’ Murray Noone to hide his $1.1 million in bribes, received from the corrupt contractor Stephen Borlase.

In my view Mikenmild – if you are employed as a ‘public official’ – you should not be allowed to be a ‘private consultant / contractor’ – END OF STORY.

What’s your view?

Kind regards

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’.

2017 Independent candidate
Mt Albert by-election.
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January 6, 2017 1:17pm
- dad4justice
  
  “A serious question for Mikenmild. ”
  
  haha you made my day asking an idiot a serious question – you would be better off asking a mannequin.
  
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  January 6, 2017 1:27pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
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  January 6, 2017 5:37pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Bloody Hell, is the mad election-loser still here?
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:40pm
Manolo

He is good:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/01/05/tucker-carlson-and-donald-trump-tangled-over-hair-pussy.html
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January 6, 2017 1:30pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo. like also here ?,
  
  https://thinkprogress.org/tucker-carlson-iran-deserves-to-be-annihilated-806eb7db32f7#.if5ggbdsf
  
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  January 6, 2017 1:53pm
Manolo

Nobody takes the clown Biden seriously, but he continues to babble:
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/312944-biden-to-trump-its-time-to-grow-up
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January 6, 2017 1:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  Sage advice from Joe .
  
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  January 6, 2017 1:55pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Creepyboy compliments Creepyjoe
    
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    January 6, 2017 2:00pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , and these creepy and vulgar remarks from your idol,
      
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-creepiest-most-unsettling-comments-a-roundup-a7353876.html
      
      Turned on ?
      
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      January 6, 2017 2:04pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/peeping-tom-in-central-auckland-caught-arrested
        
        I bet this guy likes looking at nude pictures of Melania Trump like you Stephie ?
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:10pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , and you nudies of this twink and homocon ?
        
        http://www.joemygod.com/2016/03/28/glenn-beck-breitbart-homocon-milo-yiannopoulos-is-the-goebbels-of-donald-trumps-campaign/
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:18pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You are such a Homophobe Stephie.
        At least he won’t have to worry about you ‘looking’ at him…
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:30pm
Reid

Furious Erdogan threatens US over Incirlik air base

It’s only a threat and it will go nowhere, but it’s another problem Obama has laid at Trump’s door, that he’s allowed relations to sink so low that such a threat would be made.

As explained in the link, losing Incirlik would be hugely negative for the US’ ME strategy, so its quite significant, this threat.

http://theduran.com/furious-erdogan-threatens-us-incirlik-air-base/
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January 6, 2017 2:09pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Reid
  Given the US doesn’t really need the ME for energy, don’t you think they should just withdraw and leave them to it?
  
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  January 6, 2017 2:12pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red , US doesn’t really need ME for emergy ?
    
    Thanks larely to the Obama administation,
    
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-05/despite-protests-oil-industry-thrives-under-obama-energy-agenda
    
    However because of Israel and the fact that many Western nations ( Including NATO members ) still import oil from the region the ME is still strategically imprtant to the US>
    
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    January 6, 2017 2:32pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Oh bullshit.
      Traditionally the US has got most of its Oil from Canada, Venezuala and the Gulf of Mexico, and as has been pointed out to you, it was on private land that exploration happened as Obama locked up public land.
      You still haven’t answered the question. If Obama was so helpful, why has he blocked the Keystone Pipeline?
      France et al can look after themselves but actually I was interested in Reids opinion because, well, you’re a bit thick and a waste of time.
      
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      January 6, 2017 2:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        This recent Time magazine artcle shows otherwise .
        
        “..As I and just about every other energy reporter have written over the past few weeks, that’s no longer the case. Thanks in part to new drilling technologies and far better energy efficiency — both inspired by the aftereffects of the 1973 crisis — the U.S. is an energy superpower today, passing Russia this year as the world’s biggest producer of combined oil and natural gas. U.S. crude oil production has increased by 50% since 2008, and the U.S. Energy Information Administration has predicted that domestic oil production could hit 8.4 million barrels a day by next year, which would put America on nearly the same level as Saudi Arabia. And those changes are attributable at least in part to the 1973 embargo, which forced producers in North America to find new ways to find hydrocarbons, even as policymakers belatedly began to embrace energy efficiency, establishing gas-mileage standards and even setting the 55-mph (88.5 km/h) speed limit in an effort to reduce oil use. Globally, even as consumption of oil has continued to increase — it remains the world’s single biggest source of energy — its share in the international energy mix has fallen, from 48% of all energy in 1973 to 33% in 2012.
        
        That revolution — mostly thanks to fracking opening up shale oil fields in Texas and North Dakota, as well as efficiency measures that have oil demand in the U.S. plateauing — is remaking the global oil markets, putting pressure on OPEC and other traditional producers. The International Energy Agency (IEA) estimates that non-OPEC oil producers — led by the U.S., Canada and Kazakhstan, which has said it plans to raise oil production to over 2 million barrels a day by 2025 — will increase global supplies by a near record 1.7 million barrels a day to 56.4 million, reducing the amount of oil the world needs from OPEC. (Last month OPEC output fell to less than 30 million barrels a day for the first time in almost two years, thanks largely to continued unrest in Libya and global economic sanctions imposed on Iran over its nuclear-enrichment program.) OPEC’s share of global oil production has fallen from a peak of 52% — in 1973 — to 43%, a share that seems likely to continue falling. Things have even shifted on the customer side: last month China became the world’s biggest oil importer, passing the U.S. That shift will continue, with Asian countries projected to increase net imports of crude and refined products by more than 10 million barrels a day by 2035…”
        
        Sure this process has been developing since 1973 but the expansion is significant under Obama ’s watch .
        
        For some reason you have developed a number of blind spots of late so much so that you must totally blind
        
        http://nation.time.com/2013/10/16/40-years-after-the-1973-oil-embargo-the-u-s-is-stronger-on-energy-but-so-is-the-middle-east/
        
        Sure this process has been developing since 1973 but the expansion is significant under Obama ’s watch .
        
        For some reason you have developed a number of blind spots of late so much so that you must now be totally and permanently blind .
        
        Tsk, tsk , tsk….
        
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        January 6, 2017 2:54pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahahahahahaha. What a dummie.No where does your article say that growth has occurred because of Obamas policies. It’s all because of fracking- which Obamas EPA tried to block for years.
        Do some research on how Obama has blocked exploration in public land. All the growth is on private land- where he can’t touch it.
        You are so thick it’s unreal
        #drubbing
        
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        January 6, 2017 3:05pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All Red,
        
        “Obama vs. Bush: The oil chart that will surprise you”
        
        “The fossil fuels industry tells us that under the Obama Administration domestic oil production has fallen. One energy industry insider has produced a chart that shows otherwise
        
        Conventional wisdom and the fossil fuels industry tells us that under the Obama Administration domestic oil production has fallen — which has in turn, hurt the economy and prevented job growth. A recent examination of annual domestic oil production tells a different story…”
        
        …”.http://www.zdnet.com/article/obama-vs-bush-the-oil-chart-that-will-surprise-you/
        
        You can abuse as much as you like . I will endeavour to stick to the facts .
        
        BTW do you believe under Trump will declare open season on Yosemite , Yellowstone , Grand Canyon etc for Charles Koch and coy ?
        
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        January 6, 2017 3:17pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        OMG
        You are so dense. No one is saying that during Obama’s term the US hasn’t become more energy self sufficient.
        What I am saying is that this statement of yours is not true( like most of your opinions)
        
        ‘Thanks larely (sic) to the Obama administration’
        
        Refer to my previous comments why it isn’t true.
        Sigh, KBs Dumbest Commentator for sure.
        #another drubbing
        Now off you go, waste some more of your pointless life finding articles which don’t support your opinion.
        Hahahahahaahh
        
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        January 6, 2017 3:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        I believe ” largely ” is a fair comment and certainly not”exclusively “so which you are probably trying to infer . I mean my Bloomberg link describes it as ” thriving ” under Obama.
        
        Can we at least concede that ?
        
        “Thriving ,” Yes ?
        
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        January 6, 2017 3:44pm
  - Reid
    
    The US ME strategy is designed and implemented by maloevolent traitors AoR. This is why its such an irrational mess, as can be seen by common sense comparisons like the one you just made.
    
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    January 6, 2017 2:47pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , but two things we can confidently say ,
      
      1 The US did not create ISIS nor supplied those TOWS etc .
      
      2 The US depends far less oil from the ME therefore it is no longer strategically important from that perspective .
      
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      January 6, 2017 2:57pm
Southern Raider

I see the Bank of England has come clean because the UK is now one of the fastest growing economies and the service sector has grown at the fastest rate in over a decade.

BoE has admitted the figures they supplied to stop Brexit were absolute worst case scenario and had multiple errors in the calculations but were used as most likely outcome
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January 6, 2017 2:22pm
Reid

A prestigious UK university has introduced ‘trigger warnings’ into its theology course over fears students may be distressed when studying the crucifixion of Jesus.

The University of Glasgow introduced the warnings for students taking a class called Creation to Apocalypse: Introduction to the Bible (Level 1).

Popular in US educational institutions, trigger warnings were introduced to warn people about content which may ‘trigger’ a post-traumatic stress reaction.

However, critics argue they have gone too far and are at risk of making university undergraduates overly sensitive or restricting freedom of speech.

The Telegraph reports that in one lecture about Jesus, the University of Glasgow warned students it “contains graphic scenes of the crucifixion.”

Students were told such images would be would be flagged up to them beforehand.

The University of Glasgow also gave trigger warnings to veterinary students who work with dead animals and other students who discuss violence and illness.

The trigger warning phenomenon is appearing in educational institutions across the country.

Stirling University, also in Scotland, has warned archaeology students they would be shown an image of a well-preserved archaeological body, in case they found it “a bit gruesome.”

A spokesman for the University of Glasgow defended the policy.

“We have an absolute duty of care to all of our students and where it is felt course material may cause potential upset or concern warnings may be given,” he told the Telegraph.

Forensic science students at Strathclyde University have been given a “verbal warning at the beginning of some lectures where sensitive images, involving blood patterns, crime scenes and bodies are in the presentation.”

Scottish Tory education spokesperson Liz Smith said: “Universities are meant to be a place of learning where concepts are challenged and tricky subjects debated.

“That will become increasingly difficult if they go too far out their way to ensure everything survives the politically correct test. Some of the examples set out here are patently ridiculous.”

What disturbs me most about idiots who do this, is that they truly think they’re doing people a kindness in so doing. The morons don’t understand that actually, humans that are being don’t need to be encased in cotton wool, indeed doing this to them is a dis-service. And the fools would be horrified if tbey knew what they were really doing to these people.

https://www.rt.com/uk/372759-crucifixion-university-safe-space/
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January 6, 2017 3:18pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Plus it trivialises actual suffers of PTSD who have REAL triggers.
  
  And those triggers are ASSOCIATIVE so they are contingent on each individuals traumatic experience, its impossible to issue general warnings about these triggers:
  
  E.g.: a sufferer may be triggered by a certain melody that was playing or the colour of the walls in the cell they were tortured in 1, 10, 30 years ago.
  
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  January 6, 2017 5:49pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  “Triggers”, “Safe Spaces” etc.
  
  You know what all that jargon screams out, dont you?
  
  F E M A L E S
  
  Risk aversion is genetically encoded into females for obvious reasons.
  
  Now that most unis are majority female, they function as giant day care centers for entitled (mostly white) females.
  
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  January 6, 2017 5:54pm
- mikenmild
  
  When we watched Mel Gibson’s ‘Passion of the Christ’ with a couple of three year olds, there were no problems – apart from the weeks of nightmares.
  
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  January 6, 2017 9:14pm
Fletch

James Clapper admits that any Russian hacking would not have changed any vote tallies.

Thursday at the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee’s hearing on cyber threats, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper acknowledged that alleged Russian hacking efforts did not involve the changing of vote tallies when asked by committee chairman Sen. John McCain (R-AZ).

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2017/01/05/clapper-alleged-russian-hacking-efforts-not-change-vote-tallies/
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January 6, 2017 3:50pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , the hacking claims are focused on the DNC and Hillary Clinton ‘s emails not voting tallies .
  
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  January 6, 2017 5:02pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    And the mohammedan Ms Huma let her degenerate Jew hubby stash all those Clinton team emails on his laptop next to his dick pics and messages to young females.
    
    LITERALLY ANYONE could have gotten hold of all that shit, LOL.
    
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    January 6, 2017 6:01pm
    - stephieboy
      
      “He or she who is without sin cast the first stone,”
      
      http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
      
      Is the fact Anthony Weiner a Jew significant in Trump’s mind ?
      
      Or is it in your sick mind ?
      
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      January 6, 2017 6:08pm
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Said Jew was sexting to young female and took selfie in bulging underwear, on the matrimonial bed with his INFANT SON while the mohammedan mother, Huma, was out ( probably playing scissor sisters with her granny girlfriend Killary ).
        
        And stephiePHAGGOT calls me sick?!
        
        #MakeAmericaGreatAgain!
        
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        January 6, 2017 7:58pm
Inandout

Some fresh faces in Trump’s Presidential staff lineup-

http://heavy.com/news/2017/01/donald-trump-white-house-staff-list-of-employees-chief-of-staff-deputy-assistant-senior-adviser-to-president/
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January 6, 2017 4:33pm
Fletch

LATEST: FBI says they asked DNC for servers, and DNC refused, “inhibited” the investigation.

The Democratic National Committee “inhibited” the FBI’s investigation of email hacks by refusing to grant investigators access to the party’s computer servers, the bureau is claiming.

“The FBI repeatedly stressed to DNC officials the necessity of obtaining direct access to servers and data, only to be rebuffed until well after the initial compromise had been mitigated,” an FBI official said Thursday, according to BuzzFeed News.

“This left the FBI no choice but to rely upon a third party for information. These actions caused significant delays and inhibited the FBI from addressing the intrusion earlier.”

http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/05/fbi-claims-dnc-inhibited-its-investigation-of-stolen-emails/
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January 6, 2017 5:00pm
stephieboy

Donald Trump and his companies ‘owe more than $1.4 billion’, says Wall Street Journal

“ DONALD Trump’s complicated financial obligations have been laid bare, with reports he owes more than $1.4 billion.
Debt “connected” to the President-elect’s companies adding up to more than $1.37 billion ($US1 billion) is owed to more than 150 financial institutions, the Wall Street Journal reported overnight.
The revelation has prompted renewed concern about a potential conflict of interests minefield when Mr Trump takes office in two weeks’ time.
According to the Journal, the loans were divided, repackaged and then sold in the form of bonds over the past five years, with some of them personally guaranteed by Mr Trump — who previously estimated his companies’ debt obligations at $US315 million.
Mr Trump has appointed a number of former and current Goldman Sachs executives to his new cabinet and advisory groups, while easing criticism of Wall Street since the November 8 election.

His campaign had been highly critical of Hillary Clinton’s ties to the banking sector in the lead-up to the poll…”

Oh dear Trumpists shall we pass the hat around ?
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January 6, 2017 5:02pm
- Inandout
  
  So, this relates to the FBI inquiry?
  
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  January 6, 2017 5:18pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , I forgot to post my link ,
    
    http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/leaders/donald-trump-and-his-companies-owe-more-than-14-billion-says-wall-street-journal/news-story/e1596e9a13aac88e1e93a02ff5559cd8
    
    No it doesn’t relate to the FBI inquiry but it could well do some day !
    
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    January 6, 2017 5:54pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      You will have perished in the Trumpen Reich gulags for Lefty Degenerates way before that day comes round.
      
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      January 6, 2017 6:04pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  They are almost as stupid as you, stupidboy.
  
  So he owes $1.4 billion – against assets, arguably, worth $20 billion???
  
  That’s a debt to asset of around 7% which is very very good – much better than many businesses, if that’s his asset base – which is probably not far off.
  
  Massive fail/drubbing for the class idiot, stupidboy.
  
  (stupidboy will now go into paroxysms to find out his real asset base ) 😉
  
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  January 6, 2017 5:49pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Don the Kiwi,
    
    From TM,
    
    “Mr Trump has appointed a number of former and current Goldman Sachs executives to his new cabinet and advisory groups, while easing criticism of Wall Street since the November 8 election.
    
    His campaign had been highly critical of Hillary Clinton’s ties to the banking sector in the lead-up to the poll.
    
    “It’s hard to see how an attorney who’s spent his career helping Wall Street beat the rap will keep President-elect Trump’s promise to stop big banks and hedge funds from ‘getting away with murder’,” Senator Sherrod Brow told Politico. ”
    
    “Pot,meet kettle…”
    
    Forbes suggests his net worth is 1.7 billion not his bloated $10 billion .
    
    https://qz.com/796658/donald-trumps-net-worth-is-3-7-billion-according-to-forbes/
    
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    January 6, 2017 5:57pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      Forbes say $3.7 not $1.7 like you claim. look at the headline on your link.
      I note Forbes don’t give the basis for the valuations. Believe me, that sort of thing can be done a few ways , especially for Hotels.
      Both Forbes and Trump could be right with their estimates
      
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      January 6, 2017 6:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , I stand to be corrected . $3.7 billion it is . What do you think is the key to his ” success” given his background of multiple bankruptcies and incinerating investors monies, failure to pay contractors and workers wages etc .
        
        What is his actual asset base ?
        
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        January 6, 2017 7:16pm
  - mikenmild
    
    No one knows what the asset base is, Donny. Trump doesn’t want people to know that he isn’t even a billionaire.
    
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    January 6, 2017 6:16pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      The Forbes report lists quite a few assets
      
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      January 6, 2017 6:28pm
    - Reid
      
      I wonder whether if I let mm know that’s what I think as well about Trump’s net worth, he won’t think that anymore.
      
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      January 6, 2017 7:13pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , go ahead . Perhaps he has carefully studied Putin and Russian Oligarchs ?
        
        http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/vladimir-putin-corruption-five-things-we-learned-about-the-russian-presidents-secret-wealth-a6834171.html
        
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        January 6, 2017 7:18pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Even you can have stopped clock moments.
        Personally, I think Trump is a billionaire, but nowhere near as rich as he claims.
        
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        January 6, 2017 7:19pm
  - dirty harry
    
    Don, you lost steffyboy at ” So he owes…
    
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    January 6, 2017 7:01pm
    - Reid
      
      It’s not his fault. As I explained yesterday, ISIS made a dastardly strike on his DNA. It’s only because they’re willing to run the wurzenflugels at 120% military power he’s here at all.
      
      However as with anything there are consequences even with top of the line titanium-beryllium alloy wurzenflugels so the discombobulation risk has shot through the roof.
      
      Therefore expect nothing but complete and utter palpable nonsense you could almost smell and touch, to spew forth from “stehieboy” for quite awhile yet, those simians don’t grow overnight, you know.
      
      Come to think of it, it probably is his fault.
      
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      January 6, 2017 7:21pm
MH

I had to laugh at the BBC’s The Real Wives of Isis. Inept at linking it. It was no more than a casual laugh though just below the Devoy line. Have to air ones prejudices every now and then,
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January 6, 2017 7:28pm
Manolo

Too late for Italy and the rest of Europe: the rats have already taken over the ship.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4091858/Italy-aims-combat-radicalisation-jails-deport-illegal-migrants.html
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January 6, 2017 7:53pm
- wikiriwhis business
  
  Not for the ones who kicked out the bankers
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:21pm
nasska

Apparently the new comedy ‘Real Housewives of ISIS’ is being slammed for being offensive & inaccurate.

The housewives in it are not nine years old.
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January 6, 2017 8:06pm
wikiriwhis business

Three jobs but still struggling financially

A Porirua couple who work almost 80 hours a week say they often can only afford to feed their two young children a biscuit at mealtimes.

New statistics this week show the gap between the rich and poor is widening, but the government rejects the idea inequality is rising.

Situa Tangatauli works three cleaning shifts throughout the day, starting at 6am and finishing at 11pm.

Her husband is a security guard working in the afternoon and evenings. They are both on the minimum wage of $15.25.

She said she felt guilty that despite them working the equivalent of two full time jobs, they could not afford to give their two young girls the simplest things.

“My oldest one has joined a basketball team and during the school holidays there was a programme and she had to pay $5 each day,” she said.

“Some days I had to tell her she has to miss this one because I can’t afford to make a proper lunch for you.”

On some days she looks inside her cupboards and all she can offer her children is a biscuit.

“I said to them is it alright and they say ‘mum it’s ok because we know you’ve been working hard’,” she said.

“I know it’s not a proper lunch but they accept what I get for them.”

Situa mops floors, vacuums and cleans toilets every day as a contractor at two libraries and a pub in Porirua – it is work she enjoys.

For her, it is not a case of wanting a better job, but wanting to be paid what she feels she deserves and what her family needs.

Earlier this year, her power was suddenly cut off.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/307607/three-jobs-but-still-struggling

The right wing are such a con job bleating work makes free. All the right want is feudalism and pre industrial revolution serfdom
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January 6, 2017 8:20pm
- Reid
  
  Of course we do wiki but you blasted lefties keep spoiling everything.
  
  It’s not fair!
  
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  January 6, 2017 8:23pm
  - wikiriwhis business
    
    I can honestly say I’m not a Labour supporter. They never undo Nationals policies.
    
    And happy new year Reid
    
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    January 6, 2017 8:55pm
    - Harriet
      
      I’d agree with your post wiri.
      
      A lot of bosses simply pay the minimum wage because they can – it doesn’t matter if one person works twice as hard as another – they simply keep paying the minimum wage as it is law, and if the employee leaves then another ‘needy’ person fills the role.
      
      It happened to me working in kitchens in NZ so I left the country – around 20yrs ago. I won’t ever go back out of principal – people should be paid for what they do – not be paid what the boss ‘thinks’ they should be paid. Do twice the work than others then get twice the pay – it’s the simple.
      
      I’m really sad that people like these two try to get ahead but employers couldn’t give a fuck — and I’m a full-on capitalist!
      
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      January 6, 2017 9:47pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Harriet , like these full on capitalists ?,
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/73072367/masala-indian-restaurant-managers-sentenced-for-exploiting-staff
        
        I could imagine you would be a ” cow ” just like the owners !
        
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        January 6, 2017 10:03pm
wikiriwhis business

An actual real tried and tested solution to homelessness . And available in NZ now

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisNews/videos/1002616469828477/?hc_ref=NEWSFEED

Ajmal Malik: I did a simple cost analysis a few weeks before. There are 3,500,000 homeless people in USA. If USA slashes its defence budget by only 6%, they can take care of their homelessness.
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January 6, 2017 8:53pm
Manolo

Corrupt and hopeless:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/05/email-headache-returns-new-clinton-messages-show-passwords-scheds-flowed-freely.html

A new batch of messages released by the State Department on Tuesday shows the former secretary of state and her team routinely shared her upcoming schedules, talking points and sensitive items – such as her iPad password – via the homebrewed system.
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January 6, 2017 10:35pm
cha

Heh, false colours….

“I didn’t want to fly under false colors,” Woolsey said. “I’m not really functioning as an adviser anymore, and so when I’m on the screen, everybody announces that I’m former CIA director and that I’m a Trump adviser. And I’m really not anymore. So I just thought I should strike that from the (TV banner) … so nobody was under false impressions.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/james-woolsey-donald-trump/
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