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EAD

I’ve been reading online this morning about the heightened security around the world at New Years Eve events in light of the string of terror attacks and how, gradually, formerly peaceful homogenous countries where Police Officers previously patrolled with a smile and maybe a baton, have now become Police States with their Officers resembling Robocop.

The line from the Political Elite is that this state of affairs will now be a permanent fixture as we “fight terror” (“terror” of course being the vague generic term that reminds us commoners that terror has many sources….)

It got me thinking that this is the most persuasive argument against the multikult experiment – Risk versus reward. We are risking destroying our culture, our heritage, our blood and our civilisation. We are risking condemning our children to living in a country that resembles Bosnia or Beirut, and for what? Ethnic restaurants and some warm fuzzy feels. It is insanity.

It might be different if the ethnics were bringing us the keys to intergalactic space travel or nuclear fission, but they’re not. They bring us nothing. No one in their sane senses could argue that the potential reward justifies the risk. Even if they argue that you are a paranoid alarmist, even if the risk of the multicultural project ending in disaster is say 5%, and all of the evidence suggests that it is much, much, higher than that, on a simple risk versus reward basis it isn’t worth it. I don’t see any decent counter to this line of argument.
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January 3, 2017 8:18am
- mikenmild
  
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  I’m sure it would all be much better if we had a National Socialist government.
  
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  January 3, 2017 8:34am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Argue the point rather than posting slogans.
    
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    January 3, 2017 8:44am
    - mikenmild
      
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      What if I don’t wish to treat argument from our resident Nazi as though they were made by a sane person?
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:47am
      - fernglas
        
        As Monty Python noted, the concept of argument is an intellectual process involving a connected set of statements intended to establish a proposition. The automatic gainsaying of everything the other person says is contradiction.
        
        No, it’s not.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:53am
      - mikenmild
        
        EAD could go straight to the ‘being hit on the head lessons’.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:55am
      - Viking2
        
        Go have a cuppa tea and a lie down. You will feel much better when you come back having had a wee rest.
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:36am
      - pentwig
        
        Most of us think that the majority of your comments are not sane also milky.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:08am
      - mikenmild
        
        Speaking for the fringe majority, pentwig?
        Which bits of EAD’s Nazi viewpoint do you most admire?
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:11am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      No Nukuleka, he is very cogently arguing the point. Albeit with a staggering lack of self-awareness. I know milky’s standard response is to godwin – but he quite correctly pointed out that the particular brand of socialism on offer around the world right now (national socialism) was the cause of one of the greatest causes of misery in the 20th century.
      
      Milky is saying this without a drop of irony – he really does believe that if we return to the national socialism offered by the Greens and Labour that the trains will run on time (remember Cullen’s trainset). So many of the core characteristics are the same:
      – rampant anti-semitism (the Left are orgasmically excited about UNSC 2334 because it puts the “dirty jews” in their place finally)
      – overt support for the evils of Islam
      – belief in a master-race (socialists know best, don’t you know) – there’s no need to demonstrate through logic socialists are right – they just “ARE” and you are an untermenschen (‘deplorable’ in modern parlance) if you dare question anything they say
      – leadership behaviour characterised by shrillness and personal attacks on reasonable dissenters (like calling a person a nazi for expressing an opinion)
      – widespread violence and civil unrest to create a need for their special form of order (look at the never-Trumpers or the BLM terrorists)
      – demonising Russia to deflect from internal failures
      
      No, no – Milky really does want a return of 1930s style national socialism just modernised with the new decals of globalism and cultural marxism.
      
      Same shit, different day!
      
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      January 3, 2017 10:44am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    And how would a National Socialist Govt differ from your preferred option of a Communist Govt?
    
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    January 3, 2017 8:48am
    - PhilBest
      
      “Nationalising the means of production is superfluous when you can nationalise the whole people” – A. Hitler
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:53am
    - mikenmild
      
      How did you get the idea that I’m a communist? Was it because I don’t like the Nazi EAD?
      I’m pretty sure that I’ve never advocated the socialisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange.
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:56am
      - B.L.Zeebub
        
        Yeah, but you know you want to.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:37am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Do the people of a sovereign nation have the right to choose their culture? Do foreign governments have the right to dictate who shall immigrate into our country?
    
    These are important questions that ought to be discussed.
    
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    January 3, 2017 8:52am
    - mikenmild
      
      I doubt that any group ‘chooses’ their culture. Culture emerges and changes in response to many influences.
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:57am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        They can “choose” to maintain the same core beliefs, even though aspects of their cultures will naturally evolve over time.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:05am
      - PhilBest
        
        Exactly, this is the essence of conservatism. The evolution of a culture that has been obviously the best thing in human history, is not something that should be allowed to be torn down within a generation or two by arrogant and malicious “progressives”.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:24am
      - SGA
        
        First, I’m not sure what you mean by “core beliefs”, Odakyu-sen. The role of women in society, the divine right of monarchs, serfs/nobility distinctions, the religion and how it is implemented?
        If you took time slices every 250 years (e.g., 2000, 1750, 1500, 1250, 1000), you see a hell of a lot of change in most cultures, I’m guessing. I don’t see a lot of long-term planning where the evolution of cultures is concerned.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:27am
    - stephieboy
      
      Odakyu-sen, know one tells you in this country which culture you may choose to approbate . Fortunately we can each make up our own minds on that .
      
      The same with immigation . If you don’t like our immigation policies then vote the government out this year .
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:23am
    - wiseowl
      
      You are dead right Oda.
      They ought to be discussed but some here use the opportunity to slam western culture every which way.
      Yes we do have a right to choose our culture but at the moment we are being treated by politicians as mushrooms.
      They keep feeding us dung and keep us in the dark.
      Yes we should have a say about who is emigrating to this country because at the present time it is open slander to suit the UN agenda.
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:36am
    - artemisia
      
      Once upon a time France spent a lot of time, effort and francs protecting their language and culture. How is that working out these days?
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:41am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        France obvious stopped doing that effectively (“effectively” is the key point). What is the point of guarding the museums and salons of high culture, while simultaneously allowing the influx of colonial-minded peoples? (Ostensibly for cheap labor.)
        
        It’s like watching those NZ Airforce recruitment ads on TV encouraging youth to join up to “protect what we hold dear” while a different branch of government allows in large numbers of people who also wish to “protect what they hold dear.”
        
        The main problem is that no one ever actually identifies exactly what “we hold dear” is.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:56am
- PhilBest
  
  Jewish scientists. Asian surgeons. Balkan Vintners. African performance artists. Indian Restaurateurs.
  
  I have no problem with immigration of good people in sensible quantities. Especially, those who want in not just on our economy and our infrastructure and public welfare, but our culture as well.
  
  It is OTT multiculturalism as a form of enabling and creation of WMD’s against our own cultural heritage, that is the problem and the madness. If we had the self-belief we should have, and not allowed it to be white-anted by decades of subversion of our education and media, the ratbag trouble-makers would not even want to come.
  
  On a related line of reasoning, if you “stop the boats” arriving, they stop leaving. Europe is not stopping them, so their volume is cranking up, isn’t it? Madness, as you say. And the cultural environment inside the borders is of similar importance.
  
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  January 3, 2017 8:34am
  - mikenmild
    
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    ‘white-anted’
    I think it is the brown anting that has you worried.
    
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    January 3, 2017 8:39am
    - PhilBest
      
      Your slanderous misrepresentation of me (typical of the left) will be glaringly obvious to any reader of my comments with working eyesight and half a brain.
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:51am
      - mikenmild
        
        Opposing ‘multiculturalism’ and showing faux concern for your ‘cultural heritage’ are fairly obvious signals of racism.
        But maybe I should give you a break and you’ll explain your concerns for ‘our’ culture in a non-racist manner.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:54am
      - GoVege
        
        Mm: stop seeing racism where it doesn’t exist.
        Many cultures try hard to integrate and don’t abuse their hosts.
        Others see the west as a bunch of suckers they can bleed “white” and try to impose their primitive sexist and worse beliefs on.
        This is not about people wearing turbans.
        It’s about them torturing their women and expecting their hosts to house and support their multiple families.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:15am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @ Phil Best
        Yes, rest assured it is obvious to those of us who regularly post here.
        The technique is beloved by a couple of the KB posters.
        
        But it may not be so obvious to folks who just delve into KB now and again.
        
        It pays to draw attention to this deliberate misrepresentation of one’s position each and every time it happens.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:16am
      - Manolo
        
        He is a full blown member of the Labour Party. What can you expect?
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:34am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      NZ has one of the highest immigration rates in the world. This has been imposed by our political masters without public consultation; unfortunately, the one party which has expressed opposition to immigration is not a credible government, IMO.
      
      Treasury is very tepid about the economic benefits of immigration to NZers; international research says immigrants are the principal beneficiaries of immigration; the average level of qualifications of immigrants is lower than the average level of native NZers’ qualifications; overseas evidence, preceding the recent Muslim immigration into Europe, suggests that diverse societies are less cohesive and trusting.
      
      You don’t have to subscribe to EAD’s particular philosophy to recognise that immigration comes with costs as well as benefits, and should be part of an overall population policy, something else which is little discussed by our leaders.
      
      As it happens, I’m married to a not so recent Asian immigrant and worked for a decade in her original country; almost all of my friends and acquaintances are immigrants, and I’m learning one of the two non-English languages they use among themselves.
      
      But I’m also very sceptical of diversity as a goal and see little evidence of significant benefit from large-scale immigration. Imputing racism to critics of immigration, whether justified or not, does not advance the case for immigration one iota.
      
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      January 3, 2017 11:40am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Multiculturalism decreases diversity at the international level.
    Here’s a thought experiment. Image three countries (AAA, BBB, and CCC). Each is monocultural, but is different to the others.
    Now, let’s have multiculturalism, resulting in (ABC, ABC, and ABC). The three nations are now diverse at the national level, but are identical internationally.
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:03am
  - artemisia
    
    Europe is in fact encouraging them to cross the Mediterranean, apart from those from Turkey (half hearted anyway and with threats if EU money stops pouring in). Encouraging by rescuing those in unfit and unfuelled boats and transporting them safely to Europe.
    
    One word. Australia.
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:46am
    - kowtow
      
      The whole thing is bollox.
      
      Europe pretends to hold values of human rights , justice and equality . In fact proclaims them widely and loudly and yet ……
      
      Spain builds huge fences to keep Africans out in order to prevent them from claiming asylum and being able to reside in Europe.
      
      Surely if you hold those values so dear you’d tear down that wall and allow all of Africa to migrate .
      
      Politicians who proclaim international or universal rights are liars ,cheats and hypocrites. Rights belong to the citizen of a sovereign nation not to the world, and those rights are endangered when gummints don’t do their basic duty by the citizens of their own country first .
      
      http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/01/1000-migrants-storm-border-spain-ceuta-170101181800877.html
      
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      January 3, 2017 10:08am
  - MCos
    
    “I have no problem with immigration of good people in sensible quantities.”
    I would have thought that, broadly speaking, nobody could disagree with you there.
    There may be some quibbling over who is a good person & what are sensible quantities, however.
    
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    January 3, 2017 11:29am
- kowtow
  
  EAD , it is now a “custom” to set fires to cars in France for New Years’ “celebrations”. And in Sweden someone celebrated by throwing a hand grenade at a police station. All normal behaviour in newly multicultural Europe.
  
  “The custom of setting vehicles alight on New Year’s Eve is said to have kicked off around Strasbourg, eastern France in the 1990s, in the the city’s deprived, high-immigrant districts.
  
  It quickly caught on among disaffected youths in cities across the country, and is seen by some as a litmus test of general social unrest.”
  
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/02/almost-1000-cars-torched-around-france-new-years-eve-government/
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:13am
PhilBest

Don’t know if this has been drawn attention to before on KB, we don’t seem to be so aware of this sort of thin out here:

Vox Day: “SJW Attack Survival Guide”:

http://www.voxday.net/mart/SJW_Attack_Survival_Guide.pdf

“This survival guide is intended for the use of the individual who finds himself under attack by Social Justice Warriors for standing up against them and their ever-mutating Narrative. It may be freely distributed so long as it is correctly credited to “SJWs Always Lie: Taking Down the Thought Police” by Vox Day.
The eight stages of the SJW attack sequence are as follows:
1. Locate or Create a Violation of the Narrative.
2. Point and Shriek.
3. Isolate and Swarm.
4. Reject and Transform.
5. Press for Surrender.
6. Appeal to Amenable Authority.
7. Show Trial.
8. Victory Parade.
The rest of this guide consists of the correct way to respond to an SJW attack once it has been identified, ideally at the earliest stage possible…”
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January 3, 2017 8:21am
- EAD
  
  @ Philbest,
  
  As this author points out – It has been very telling watching such people behave in light of the events of 2016. In particular, the mawkish reactions to celebrity deaths from natural causes vs. their silence on the ever increasing number of ghastly “terror attacks” with seemingly random occurrence.
  
  In years gone by, “celebrity deaths” might warrant a slightly larger death notice whilst our ancestors would have acted swiftly & with steely resolve to remove the so called “terror” threat.
  
  Now these rootless consumers tolerate the intolerable and cry over the deaths of someone they’ve never met. It as of those whom the Gods wish to destroy, first they make mad
  
  http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.co.nz/2016/12/the-year-of-beast-and-illusion-of.html?m=0
  
  The Brexit vote, Trump and the rise of the Alt-Right were all manifestations of other people’s will defying The System, however, if they are to be seen as acts of evil does that not then mean The System is Godly? It’s hard not have scorn and contempt for these ‘Blue-pilled’ normie liberals, even their laments and protestations are weak and controlled. Why, for example, lament the death of Harambe the ape but not the people rundown and shot or blown-up by Muslims? The reason is, of course, that they know The System frowns upon such discussions of Muslims, like Goldilocks they choose the porridge that is just the right temperature, to name acts of Islamic terrorism as being part of an evil trend is too hot, so lament a dead ape instead.
  
  Never have people been so cocooned from reality, what they refer to as ‘satanic’, is simply real life intruding into their unreality. The latest Star Wars movie ”Rogue One” even has a young 19 year old Princess Leia created through CGI effects, The System will stop time itself in order to pacify and coddle the modern western audience into believing they live in a world where nothing will ever really change.
  
  But Princess Leia still died, and Hillary still lost…..
  
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  January 3, 2017 8:48am
  - mikenmild
    
    The latest Star Wars movie ”Rogue One” even has a young 19 year old Princess Leia created through CGI
    
    The world’s gone mad, eh?
    
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    January 3, 2017 8:52am
  - stephieboy
    
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    EAD, you may wish to put your thoughts as to why many ( sub human ) Jews both voted for Trump and Brexit ?
    
    Appreciate some feedback on this vexed and troubling issue ?
    
    [DPF: I know you are suggesting that is what EAD thinks, but it is open to misinterpretation so don’t]
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:00am
    - lilman
      
      LOL, do you wipe your arse with that hand Stephie.
      
      I had a awesome xmas with some friends who do security work for Companies in the Middle East.
      They were looking forward to the next 8 years as the rules which are being drawn up for the engagement of combatants is now nearly finished.
      From what they were saying Mosques and Government buildings will be treated as HQ in terrorist countries. I love Trump.
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:08am
      - mikenmild
        
        And you were entertained by these fantasies of mass murder?
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:22am
      - Gabby
        
        Sounds like they’re pulling your lil tit.
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:23am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W , so you feel that EAD’s belief systems no matter how crazy ,idiotic or obnoxious should go unchallenged ?
        
        Is there anything in his bigoted armoury that you admire ?
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:33am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Stephieboy,
      I have reported you labelling Jews as subhumans.
      
      I trust the moderator of this blog follows up your shocking description.
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:21am
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s funny, I don’t remember you ever objecting to EAD’s tirades against the Jews?
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:23am
      - Kimbo
        
        Now, now, Maggy. We know stephieboy is stupid. However, as per a very wise piece of advice concerning remedial reading priorities:
        
        I think we have to go back to the absolute basics…
        forget grammar..
        We have to concentrate on developing basic reading and comprehension skills.
        
        Can our subject decode text?
        Can our subject make inferences?
        Can our subject recall previous texts?
        Does our subject understand irony?
        etc, etc, etc…..
        
        The context would suggest that stephie was engaging in ~~irony~~ sarcasm.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:36am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Kimbo
        
        I suspect we have another comprehension challenge…
        
        writing clear prose
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:49am
      - Griff
        
        Yip Maggy
        When you connect your views together you end up with gibbering conspiracy nonsense involving the worlds scientific community .
        How does that work and what makes you think you can attack Stephie for not thinking clearly when you can not even cope with the logical consequence of your own idiocy?
        Glass houses and stones springs to mind
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:58am
      - Kimbo
        
        Ah, but good grammar is the handmaiden of clear prose.
        
        Plus pruning out the vexatiously, cloyingly, abundantly accumulating adverbs 😉
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:58am
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy Wassilieff, report me if you like . I think DPF would understand my explanation that the reference to sub human is how EAD and his National Socialist beliefs regards Jews .
        
        Try to stop behaving like a prim and prissy school mistress.
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:00am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @mikenmild
        
        I have observed that each time you challenge EAD’s beliefs it just widens his platform. He posts further information and links.
        He has perfected the Hugh Pavelitch technique down to a T.
        
        I choose not to further the advancement of his views on KB.
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:28am
      - SPC
        
        Why, this is not something he said? Did you fail to comprehend his post? Some irony in that.
        
        As DPF pointed out – sb had to be more clear when he is inferring what the opinion of another is lest someone such as yourself – failing to follow the conversation gets the wrong end of the stick and thinks sb is saying something offensive.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:23pm
    - EAD
      
      Stephieboy,
      
      If you were intellectually honest – you will know I never say anything disgusting to that effect.
      
      Au Contraire, I have noted several times that Ashkenazi Jews are on average 12 points higher the IQ scale on average than us humble Caucasians.
      
      I do note also that Africans are a further 23 IQ points on average below Caucasians but it doesn’t mean I label them “sub-human”, merely that they’ve evolved in different conditions and their strengths and weaknesses reflect that.
      
      The only people I refer to as subhuman are people like this:
      
      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3628649/Babysitter-arrested-outraged-parents-shared-son-s-horror-injuries-including-hand-shaped-bruise-face-social-media.html
      
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      January 3, 2017 10:27am
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD, I can distinctly recall your doing a spiel about American Jews and how had done nothing positive or worthwile to contribute to their society in their capacity as pariahs especailly in business affairs etc
        
        I replied by reminding you the outstsnding contribution they have made in the adanacement of science etc the form of Nobel Lauretes especailly in Physics , Cellular Biolgy , Biochemistry , Computer Science etc, etc .
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:45am
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD,
        
        “The only people I refer to as subhuman are people like this:..”
        
        The fact he is Black is of course a coincidence ?
        
        And white people are incapable of indulging in the kind of degrading behaviour ?
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3620004/Britain-s-worst-paedophile-Richard-Huckle-admits-scores-attack-children.html
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:53am
      - GoVege
        
        The “subhuman”‘s aunt was right: the silly parents should never have left their baby with him.
        It should be illegal to leave a baby or toddler in the care of a male not their biological parent.
        It makes me sick when I read about some stupid young mother who goes out and leaves her baby with the latest boyfriend and the inevitable happens.
        Young males are not emotionally equipped to deal with screaming babies.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:56am
      - SPC
        
        EAD
        
        Amy schumer represents all that is wrong with the filth the MSM, Hollyweird and TV Studios foist on the Christian West:
        
        http://therightstuff.biz/2016/04/08/amy-schumer-debased-creature/
        
        Is there a more debased creature in our modern pop-cultural cesspool than (((Amy Schumer)))? Probably not. She is a peddler of filth, a political tool and is a talentless and ungracious hack. Schumer represents the degeneracy and cultural rot that has been foisted on the West……
        
        A simple and cursory review of Schumer’s work reveals the corruption she traffics into our culture. Her show, which is unfortunately still televised, Inside Amy Schumer, is the stuff of nightmares and represents a culture suffocating from degradation and immorality. It’s a creation that only a Jew or an imbecile would find worthwhile or entertaining. Most sane people don’t find cavernous vaginas, feminist gangbangs and canine breast-feeding charming and watchable.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:27pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      @stephieboy 10:33am
      
      No stephieboy, I do not for one minute think EAD’s views should go unchallenged.
      If you read this blog carefully, you will see that I have challenged EAD’s views on race and miscegenation on occasions.
      
      I would refer you to my reply to mikenmild below.
      
      As far as I can see, EAD manages to advance his arguments time and time again, in response to the comments and attacks he receives here.
      
      I don’t have the background knowledge (or interest) to respond to most of his comments about the holocaust or business interests of Jewish folk.
      
      But if you falsify EAD’s position/views by putting words into his mouth that he has not uttered, you do not strengthen your arguments.
      
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      January 3, 2017 10:57am
      - mikenmild
        
        There are choices to be made when EAD post his Nazi comments:
        1. Ignore them
        2. Dismiss them succinctly, or at length – even though we know all his bullshit has been refuted many times over.
        3. Engage with his argument as if he were a rational being
        4. Dismiss them with an appropriate retort, eg, “piss off, Nazi scum.”
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:07am
      - SPC
        
        EAD
        
        Amy schumer represents all that is wrong with the filth the MSM, Hollyweird and TV Studios foist on the Christian West:
        
        http://therightstuff.biz/2016/04/08/amy-schumer-debased-creature/
        
        Is there a more debased creature in our modern pop-cultural cesspool than (((Amy Schumer)))? Probably not. She is a peddler of filth, a political tool and is a talentless and ungracious hack. Schumer represents the degeneracy and cultural rot that has been foisted on the West……
        
        A simple and cursory review of Schumer’s work reveals the corruption she traffics into our culture. Her show, which is unfortunately still televised, Inside Amy Schumer, is the stuff of nightmares and represents a culture suffocating from degradation and immorality. It’s a creation that only a Jew or an imbecile would find worthwhile or entertaining. Most sane people don’t find cavernous vaginas, feminist gangbangs and canine breast-feeding charming and watchable.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:29pm
    - Honeybadger
      
      sub human? really?
      
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      January 3, 2017 2:24pm
- VicParking
  
  Moving a New Idea To a Desired Idea involves simular steps.
  – UNTHINKABLE
  – RADICAL
  – ACCEPTABLE
  – SENSIBLE
  – POPULAR
  – POLICY
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:51am
  - Kimbo
    
    All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
    
    Arthur Schopenhauer
    
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    January 3, 2017 10:01am
Happychappy

It shows you that Labours claim that they are ready to govern is not shared by some of their own. Chris Trotter’s editorial today even mentions the end of Labour being a dominate force in NZ Politics and the Greens being the top Party on the left.
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January 3, 2017 8:23am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If the Greens, on 10%, can be the top party on the left I can live with that.
  
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  January 3, 2017 8:28am
  - Andrei
    
    National is the top party on the “left” Captain Mainwaring
    
    Babble about them being “centre right” is just empty words – they are neo marxists just like all the others with crony capitalism thrown in
    
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    January 3, 2017 8:30am
    - PhilBest
      
      I have been focusing my assessments of this over the last few days. I think you could sum it up as follows.
      
      When it comes to the left’s virtue-signalling racket, National sometime in 2007 decided “if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em”.
      
      It worked so well as a treasury-bench-retaining tactic, they are now addicted to it.
      
      Kimbo raised a good point yesterday; National historically have seldom ever actually reversed much of anything Labour has done before them, and have even out-done them at their own game. Muldoon was even more of a central planning control freak. The Bolger-Richardson government was the only National (economically) right of centre one in modern history, for the sole reason that Rogernomics preceded it.
      
      Now what we have is a National government at the very least, matching Labour in lefty virtue-signalling. We care about the environment and global warming too! We’ll splash middle class welfare around too! We’ll enact Gay Marriage for you! And your emissions trading scheme! We’ll pay for Len’s Train set! And FarGoff’s Trams! We’ll preserve the West Coast rainforest too! We’ll set up Iwi in fat extortion rackets like you never dreamed of! We’ll defer to your urban planning nomenklatura and take your house price bubble to new heights! And now the latest: we’ll show we care about the Palestinians too!
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:47am
      - mikenmild
        
        Are you really saying that you are only just noticing the consensus nature of New Zealand politics that has been in place since the 1940s?
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        PhilBest, thinking of consensus politics you may wish to reflect why lunatic fringe parties both right and left have polled so poorly since the 1940s or thereabouts ?
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:53am
      - PhilBest
        
        The politicians I most admire, are Roger Douglas and David Lange, for having the courage to confront realities, offer the best program they knew of (not perfect, I know), and the people trusted them.
        
        Prior to that, we had been “a lucky country” for a long time, the good old days, such as they were, were never a result of smart politics. The 70’s were the harsh reckoning for decades of “she’ll be right”.
        
        I am cynical enough now to think that NZ might as well have just defaulted on its sovereign debt sometime in the 80’s, for all our short memories about the realities of the situation under which Rogernomics came to the fore. I don’t expect a reforming government, drawing down on the political capital of a charismatic leader, to avert the next painful time of reckoning that we are building up to. I am not even positive about how we will take the lessons on after the fact.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:12am
      - Kimbo
        
        Prior to that, we had been “a lucky country” for a long time, the good old days, such as they were, were never a result of smart politics. The 70’s were the harsh reckoning for decades of “she’ll be right”.
        
        The USA, UK and Australia all went through the same thing, leading up to the Reagan/Thatcher/Hawke(Keating)/Lange(Douglas) reforms in the early to mid 1980s. The precursors and catalyst was gradual growth of stagflation, unemployment and economic decline as a result of excessive and long-term Keynesian economics, which were exacerbated by the two oil shocks of the 1970s. In our case the Poms shafting us by going into Europe as a “get out of Jail free” card to try and escape their endemic economic and industrial problems was also the watershed. And now, with Brexit, Perfidious Albion has done it again to another set of partners! 😉
        
        The American “consensus” dated from Roosevelt’s New Deal, the British from the post-war Atlee-led Labour Government, and us, from our first Labour Government that instituted a cradle-to-the-grave welfare state and command/fortress-economy in the late 1930s.
        
        We were not significant or especially stupid in adopting and seeking to defend and/or modify what was the status quo. Seem in that light, Muldoon was a natural National, not Labour Prime Minister – even if he was defending the framework bequeathed by the first Labour Government (and his political hero, R J Seddon and the Liberals of the 1890s)
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:17am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      The ground is constantly shifting Andrei. National is now the established party of the centre, because that’s where most of the electorate is. If the centre has widened to include a bit of the ‘soft’ left, that’s the reality of staying in power. The shrinking ‘hard’ left is now the decaying bone that Labour and the Greens are fighting over.
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:02am
      - lilman
        
        I bow to Stephie when it becomes knowledge of Lunatic Fringes.
        
        Allah is a poof.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:12am
      - DifferentPerspective
        
        So Capt, if National’s share of the vote in 2017 shrinks significantly – then you’ll be acknowledging what an increasing number of people (including Andrei) are concerned about ie that they – like the appallingly incompetent Hillary’s Democratic party – are tying themselves up in PC knots and abandoning the centre in a virtue-signalling ‘jump to the Left’ (as signalled by the Green Party-esque role in UNSC 2334).
        
        They might still govern, but they won’t have the mandate that Key frittered away in 2014.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:53am
  - Kimbo
    
    Not a chance. Some 35 to 40% is natural left-voting. But some/much of that centre left Labour vote will probably bleed to the centre/Muldoonist option of NZ First.
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:39am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      “Some 35 to 40% is natural left-voting”
      
      Maybe a generation ago. More likely 25-30% now.
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:47am
      - Griff
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window
        According to Overton’s description, his window includes a range of policies considered politically acceptable in the current climate of public opinion, which a politician can recommend without being considered too extreme to gain or keep public office.
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:00am
Harriet

Big trouble brewing in NSW — drowning toll up until last night was 15!!!! —- mostly kids and young people, outrage and concern everywhere — police have been on tv everywhere, “don’t swim at night” – then this morning —— the body of a judge was pulled out of the water!!!!!

Laws laws and more laws now.
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January 3, 2017 8:41am
- stephieboy
  
  Harriet , Pauline Hanson , One Nation and you feel water saftey education programs and regualtions are a waste of time ?
  
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  January 3, 2017 8:57am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Go Stephie Go.
    Keep those stupid comments coming
    ?
    And it’s ‘safety’. Judging by the syntax and the moronic comments we have old man Stephiebot this morning.
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:25am
- G152
  
  We shouldn’t: judge
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:20am
MCos

The holiday road toll in NZ last I heard was 19, way up on last year.
In Thailand yesterday 25 people were killed in one accident near Chonburi, not a million miles from the resort town of Pattaya where a lot of Kiwis go for holidays.
One of the vehicles involved was a passenger van that apparently crossed a couple of lanes and smashed into a ute at an intersection, according to the article I read.
Those van drivers are often crazy. They drive like maniacs and are forever involved in accidents. A lot of them don’t get enough sleep, drive long hours & take P (yaba) to keep going. So if you’re going over there be careful.
The overall death toll on the roads is one of the worst in the world. An awful lot of these are motorcyclists
By the way the murder rate in Thailand is on a par with the US.
Never go there without insurance.
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January 3, 2017 8:43am
- holysheet
  
  That driver must have been a raghead terrorist trying to take out some foreign tourists and missed his target.But because of the number of ragheads living in Thailand, they don’t want to loose the tourist dollar by admitting it was a terrorist attack.
  
  There, how’s that for a conspiracy theory up there with the likes of the deluded Dawson woman. Maybe the strandard will put it in their posts as plausable?
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:00am
  - stephieboy
    
    “ragheads living in Thailand ” ?
    
    Including starbaord ?
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:11am
    - holysheet
      
      Thailand — Muslim 4.6%
      Thailand Population 67,300,000
      Total number of ragheads living in Thailand 3,095,800
      That enough for you stupidboy?
      
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      January 3, 2017 11:02am
stephieboy

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This has got to be a Trump Supporter ,

“Passenger arrested after United Airlines flight to San Francisco diverts to Auckland”

” A man was arrested after it was claimed he had a racist rant onboard a United Airlines flight bound for San Francisco, which led to it being diverted to Auckland.

The New Year’s Day flight, which originated in Sydney, was diverted after a passenger failed to listen to crew on Sunday afternoon.
Passengers have recounted the man allegedly going into a verbally abusive, racist rant when two other passengers described as being of Indian or Pakistani descent, seated on either side, talked over him.
A video shared on social media captured the man, after this

exchange, yelling at an air attendant who tried to calm him down.
He was heard saying that it would be “cool” if the flight was turned around..”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11775772
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January 3, 2017 8:54am
- Inandout
  
  Stephie, refer PhilBest at 8.21. Yours is classic SJW attack.
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:01am
  - stephieboy
    
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    Inandout , you also also reflect why the majority of the electorate seems to have a sense of social justice and fairmindness since the 1940s
    
    Unlike an alt righer like you .
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:05am
    - Inandout
      
      Are you an alt islamist stephie?
      
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      January 3, 2017 10:33am
- holysheet
  
  Squirrel is back
  
  Remember 30 downticks and it’s gone.
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
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    holyexcrement , you also may wish to participate in this informal survey why your obnoxious alt right attitudes fail to gain traction in the voting publics imagination .
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:07am
    - lilman
      
      allah is still a poof. lol,,,,,,,,lol,,,,,,,choking on bacon,,,,lol.
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:14am
      - stephieboy
        
        lilman, there that is the explanation . Your incomprehsible dribble !
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:13am
      - kowtow
        
        Lilman
        
        Talking of bacon . Some poor bastard ( and yes I’d say he’s a retard ) has died in prison in England while doing a 12 month stretch for littering , only in the UK it’s called a racially aggravated public order offence.
        
        12 months for being rude is manifestly unjust , cruel and abnormal. Extraordinary and quite frightening.
        
        “Kevin Crehan, 35, was sentenced to one year in prison last July for what a judge called “an attack on England” and “the principles of freedom of religion.” Crehan and three other people, who pleaded guilty for their role in the incident, left multiple bacon sandwiches just outside the doors of the Jamia Mosque in Bristol.”
        
        http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/british-man-convicted-of-attacking-mosque-with-bacon-sandwiches-found-dead-in-prison-cell
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:25am
      - Inandout
        
        Not a poof, but a kiddie fiddler with a 9 year old bride.
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:34am
    - PhilBest
      
      “Alt right” – a leftist smear term, embodying a range of traits that they imagine of their targets, nothing else. No-one they use it against, has actually positioned themselves as a subscriber to any such movement. Generally they are targeted by the left because they are opposed to multiculturalism and relativism, that’s all. This imaginary “alt right” movement is a similar construct to the various fabricated conspiracies that have been used by tyrannical governments as the basis to persecute class enemies.
      
      The term “neo-liberal” is similar. There was no such movement which anyone actually chose to subscribe to.
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:21am
      - Kimbo
        
        The term “neo-liberal” is similar. There was no such movement which anyone actually chose to subscribe to.
        
        Is one permitted to use the term “trend”, or, if engaged in formal study, “school”? As in “Milton Friedman was a founding father of the so-called ‘neo-liberal’ school, and various New Zealand politicians, businessmen and movers-and-shakers such as Roger Douglas, Doug Myers and Roger Kerr subscribed to the resulting trend”?
        
        Seems to me it is simply short-hand to communicate the belief-system. Mind, you, as SJW/radical-critical dialectic analysis is a form of conspiracy theory, I can see the point that as soon as you attach that label to Roger Douglas, Richard Prebble, Roger Kerr, Don Brash, Doug Myers, etc., it is, by left-wing definition a sinister anti-democratic cabal/Vast Right Wing Conspiracy (VRWC).
        
        Mind, you, as mikey points out, plenty of that going on here from the other end of the spectrum. DPF posts a crazy left wing conspiracy about the real reason for John Key’s, but a number here have tried to link it with the anti-West Bank settler UNSC resolution…
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:49am
      - PhilBest
        
        “…Milton Friedman was a founding father of the so-called ‘neo-liberal’ school, and various New Zealand politicians, businessmen and movers-and-shakers such as Roger Douglas, Doug Myers and Roger Kerr subscribed to the resulting trend…”
        
        And NONE of them called it “neo-liberalism”. The term “free marketeer” would have been no problem. Friedman’s influential best-selling book was called “Free to Choose”.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:03am
      - Kimbo
        
        And NONE of them called it “neo-liberalism”. The term “free marketeer” would have been no problem. Friedman’s influential best-selling book was called “Free to Choose”
        
        Um, but isn’t that “liberalism”? And as it was a revival of the liberal economic and political philosophy, that would make it…neo-liberalism? It isn’t a pejorative label, like, say, “neo-Dickensian poorhouse” as its critics imply it is.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:24am
  - Nostradamus
    
    Holysheet:
    
    30 downticks and it’s gone
    
    Or, to put it another way, Bam! And the dirt is gone!
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:13am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Why didn’t the idiot just offer to swap seats with one of his fellow passengers?
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    Captain Mainwaring, I’m afraid this seems to be the strange way Trump’s “deporables ” carrry on in long haul airline flights .
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:13am
    - Andrei
      
      What connection has Donald Trump got with this story Stephieboy?
      
      None that I can see.
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        Andrei, racist ranting as we often get here .
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:10am
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      I’m afraid this seems to be the strange way Trump’s “deporables ” carrry on in long haul airline flights
      
      I assume you’ve overlooked this story:
      
      An airline passenger who allegedly made angry remarks when he found Ivanka Trump was on his flight was removed from the plane by the airline.
      …
      A Twitter user cited by TMZ, Matthew Lasner, said his husband was going to confront Ms Trump and her husband, Jared Kushner, at the airport.
      “Ivanka and Jared at JFK T5, flying commercial,” wrote Matthew Lasner (@mattlasner) in the since-deleted tweet. “My husband chasing them down to harass them. #banalityofevil.”
      
      Mr Lasner, a professor at New York’s Hunter College, did not respond to requests for comment directed to his Twitter account, which has since been taken offline, or to messages left at his office or sent to his Facebook account.
      
      I assume you don’t think this is acceptable behaviour?
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:23am
    - B.L.Zeebub
      
      http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/jetblue-passengers-kicked-flight-ivanka-trump-complaints-article-1.2920134
      
      I know you are but what are we?
      Is this the only argument your tiny alt-left pea brain can comprehend?
      
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      January 3, 2017 9:43am
    - pentwig
      
      you lost steffie
      get over it.
      Trump forever!!
      
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      January 3, 2017 12:15pm
Manolo

Too much false hope, no change:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4080790/Chicago-records-762-homicides-2016-making-bloodiest-12-months-20-YEARS-Windy-City.html
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January 3, 2017 9:19am
- kowtow
  
  hahahahahahaha
  
  Chicago is one of the most regulated gun markets in the US . How’s that working for the law abiding?
  
  Amazing how thick the political elites are , they seem to think that criminals will obey the laws they pass on the rest of us.
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:18am
  - MCos
    
    Wouldn’t be criminals if they obeyed the laws.
    
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    January 3, 2017 11:04am
  - PhilBest
    
    As the intelligent commentators in the USA point out: the overall rate of gun deaths has been correlated significantly with the level of gang formation and membership, which in turn correlates significantly with the rate of family breakdown and fatherlessness.
    
    As always with left-progressives, a problem of their own making is turned into a pretext to pursue some other political pipe dream; in the USA, this is stopping decent law-abiding people from owning guns.
    
    A related issue is that nutters going on a rampage are actually insignificant in the overall statistics, but this is magnified by the left to represent the entire problem, as if the urban gang problem did not exist. And the solution there would be to involuntarily incarcerate nutters at the same rate as countries where the said nutters aren’t going on rampages (because they are locked away). The good ol’ lefty civil liberties lawyers lobby in the USA are responsible for this particular difference.
    
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    January 3, 2017 11:11am
    - Griff
      
      which in turn correlates significantly with the rate of family breakdown and fatherlessness.
      
      The war on drugs ..Prohibition
      .
      Gee if you lock the fathers up for drug crimes you destroy family’s…
      Who would have thought
      Not conservative that would be beyond their simple grasp of reality.
      
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      January 3, 2017 11:15am
      - mikenmild
        
        And the solution to gun violence would be…more guns!
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:17am
    - MCos
      
      “nutters going on a rampage are actually insignificant in the overall statistics”
      That’s an interesting observation in light of the night club massacre in Turkey the other day. The deaths represent about 1% of the country’s annual toll.
      
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      January 3, 2017 2:16pm
- Inandout
  
  Obama is making his exit speech from Chicago, and he will perform miracles; I know he will, he is the saviour.
  
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  January 3, 2017 1:14pm
Manolo

Another triumph for Merkel’s multiculturalism:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4082182/German-police-arrest-Syrian-refugee-asked-ISIS-150-000-turn-cars-suicide-bombs-drive-crowds-non-Muslims.html

German police have arrested a Syrian refugee who allegedly asked ISIS to fund an attack using explosives-packed vehicles.

The unemployed 38-year-old migrant urged an ISIS contact via mobile phone message service Telegram to send him 180,000 euros, prosecutors said.

Police commandos raided his apartment in Saarbruecken near the French border around 2:00 am on New Year’s Eve.
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January 3, 2017 9:22am
Manolo

Time will tell if the optimism is justified:
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/01/02/business-optimism-soars-into-new-year.html

U.S. companies are preparing to invest again after years on the sidelines, and rising interest rates are unlikely to impede them.

Executives have grown more optimistic about growth, in part anticipating that President-elect Donald Trump’s administration and Republican congressional majorities will bring regulatory rollbacks, corporate tax breaks and increased infrastructure spending.
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January 3, 2017 9:45am
Jack5

If Andrei is reading Kiwiblog today he might like to clear up a Russian-English translation problem for us.

Andrei might clarify whether a poster did indeed accidently thank some or all for catching crabs (of the itching rather than biting type).

Late last evening, Cha posted this in General Debate:

Спасибо за пуха клещей, товарищи.

With the help of Bing Translate and Google Translate I got the rough feeling Cha was saying something like: “Thank you for the down ticks, comrade.”

However, on further digging, it seemed that perhaps Cha was inadvertently trapped by “пуха”, which may mean “down” in the fluff or feather down sense, rather than “down” in the English “downwards” sense.

Also that “ клещей” may refer to “ticks” in the insect sense rather than “ticks” in the mark sense.

So could “fluff ticks” thus refer to the pests that are referred to in English as “crabs”?

That would mean Cha said in Russian:

Thank you for the crabs, comrade.

To cap it off, Maggy replied, in Russian (thank you Bing Translate), with a pleasantry along the lines of “that’s fine” or what we might say as “think nothing of it” or “it’s a pleasure”.

Andrei, you might clear all this up by posting the Russian term for “crabs”.
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January 3, 2017 9:47am
- mikenmild
  
  I agree that it is important to clear this up. The translation and the crabs.
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:04am
  - Jack5
    
    Are you itching to find out, Milky? Or are you being satirically crabby?
    
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    January 3, 2017 10:08am
  - Griff
    
    I would suggest that cha may have dropped the clanger to make some of you think .
    Scary thought .
    I can imagine the pain and confusion that would cause some……
    
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    January 3, 2017 10:10am
    - Jack5
      
      No worry, Griff. No doubt global warming drives up the threat of crabs.
      
      An aside: apparently, there was old-days graffiti:
      
      Please don’t throw toothpicks in the toilet. The crabs here can pole vault.
      
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      January 3, 2017 10:16am
- Andrei
  
  That’s up there with Hillary Clinton’s “Overcharge” Button
  
  Cha thanks his comrades for “lint mites”
  
  Crabs would be площи́ца (ploschitsa) plosh-it- sa
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:20am
Jack5

Andrei – thank you for the quick translation.

Not as dramatic as crabs or even bed bugs, but I presume itchy little buggers, just the same.

IMHO, this helps show that machine translation (like Google Translate and Bing Translator) will never fully match the outcome from learning another language.

For those who need a refresh on the Clinton button you mention:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_reset
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January 3, 2017 10:26am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @Jack 5
  
  They’re not too bad, these electronic translators, are they?
  I’d award you 11/10 for your effort on this one.
  
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  January 3, 2017 11:25am
Rodney Randall

The Challenge of Cultural Relativism

JAMES RACHELS

Adapted from The Elements of Moral Philosophy by James Rachels, Chapter 2, pp. 15-29. � 1999
by McGraw-Hill, Inc. Reprinted by permission of the McGraw-Hill Companies, Inc.
2.7 Judging a Cultural Practice to Be Undesirable

In 1996, a 17-year-old girl named Fauziya Kassindja arrived at Newark International Airport and asked for asylum. She had fled her native country of Togo, a small west African nation, to escape what people there call excision.

Excision is a permanently disfiguring procedure that is sometimes called “female circumcision,” although it bears little resemblance to the Jewish ritual. More commonly, at least in Western newspapers, it is referred to as “genital mutilation.” According to the World Health Organization, the practice is widespread in 26 African nations, and two million girls each year are “excised.” In some instances, excision is part of an elaborate tribal ritual, performed in small traditional villages, and girls look forward to it because it signals their acceptance into the adult world. In other instances, the practice is carried out by families living in cities on young women who desperately resist.

Fauziya Kassindja was the youngest of five daughters in a devoutly Muslim family. Her father, who owned a successful trucking business, was opposed to excision, and he was able to defy the tradition because of his wealth. His first four daughters were married without being mutilated. But when Fauziya was 16, he suddenly died. Fauziya then came under the authority of his father, who arranged a marriage for her and prepared to have her excised. Fauziya was terrified, and her mother and oldest sister helped her to escape. Her mother, left without resources, eventually had to formally apologize and submit to the authority of the patriarch she had offended.

Meanwhile, in America, Fauziya was imprisoned for two years while the authorities decided what to do with her. She was finally granted asylum, but not before she became the center of a controversy about how foreigners should regard the cultural practices of other peoples. A series of articles in the New York Times encouraged the idea that excision is a barbaric practice that should be condemned. Other observers were reluctant to be so judgmental�live and let live, they said; after all, our practices probably seem just as strange to them.

Suppose we are inclined to say that excision is bad. Would we merely be applying the standards of our own culture? If Cultural Relativism is correct, that is all we can do, for there is no cultural-neutral moral standard to which we may appeal. Is that true?
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January 3, 2017 10:34am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  It’s pretty obvious that a risky medical procedure performed on someone without their consent (or against their wishes) that permanently degrades that person’s quality of life is not a good thing.
  
  It’s common sense.
  
  Apart from the old imperial Chinese custom of female foot binding, can you think of any other less-than-optimal cultural practices?
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:41am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    A great example.
    
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    January 3, 2017 10:56am
  - GoVege
    
    I can think of plenty, Odakyu-Sen:
    Making the members of one gender do all the tedious household chores, while the other gender is free to go out whenever they please and never have to lift a finger at home.
    Murdering your daughters if they are so much as suspected of looking at a male.
    Burning your daughter-in-law to death if her family don’t provide a big enough dowry, or keep adding to it.
    (A favourite in the world’s largest democracy…even though dowries are supposed to be illegal.)
    Keeping a bottle of acid on the bedroom cabinet and threatening to throw it in your wife’s face if she is not frisky enough.
    (A favourite in Asia and the Middle East.)
    
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    January 3, 2017 5:52pm
- Jack5
  
  It’s pretty hard to accept that the practice of Papua New Guinea’s Fore people, eating corpses, was morally correct in any culture. Surely it was universally wrong.
  
  The cultural practice led to the Fore people suffering from kuru, an incurable, degenerative brain disorder. The cultural tradition was that women and kids got to eat the brains, and that’s what caused kuru.
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:45am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    A great example Jack.
    
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    January 3, 2017 10:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jack 5 , I understand that canibalism has been outlawed in PNG .
    
    Rodney Randell , I understand the practice of female cirumcison has also been outlawed in Togoland and that the practice is a traditional occurring in both Christian and Muslim African countries .
    
    “According to the CIA Fact book, approximately 29% of the population is Christian, 20% are Muslim, and 51% hold indigenous beliefs.”
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Togo#Religion
    
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    January 3, 2017 11:04am
    - PhilBest
      
      Haven’t heard of any Christian girls over there fleeing in anticipation of this being done to them. One would have thought the western anti-christian media would have been all over it like a rash if it was happening.
      
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      January 3, 2017 11:15am
      - stephieboy
        
        PhilBest , Uganda is a Christian country that has also sought to outlaw the practice .Kenya too.
        
        Female circumcision is a largely a traditional African tribal practice.
        
        https://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/ethiopia_18246.html
        
        and,
        
        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-health/11228851/Female-genital-mutilation-Young-Kenyan-girls-take-part-in-tribal-ceremony.html
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:21am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Just because FGM happens in a country with Christians in it, doesn’t mean the Christians are the ones doing it.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:25am
      - stephieboy
        
        All On Red , Christians not doing it ? Hard to say but suffice to repeat my point is that FGM is a tradtional tribal practice .
        
        That is my point and before those who try to hang it on Islam or Chrsitianity for the matter .
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:32am
      - cha
        
        doesn’t mean the Christians are the ones doing it.
        
        Meanwhile, in Ethiopia….
        
        http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2016/12/15/ethiopia_catholic_schools_asked_to_contribute_to_end_fgm/1279416
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:42am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Ta- Good to see the Catholic’s affirming it’s something they disapprove of and them working with the Ethiopian Government to stamp it out.
        I note your link doesn’t say that ‘Christians’ are the ones doing it.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:58am
      - cha
        
        Organising a 3 day workshop for School Directors and teachers and issuing a declaration forbidding all members of the Church from practicing it affirming that it has no religious base isn’t directed at Ethiopian Catholics?.
        
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        January 3, 2017 12:11pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You’re grasping at straws .Doesn’t prove Christians are doing it. They are making sure it doesn’t happen and educating about it.
        Just cause students go to a Catholic School doesn’t mean they are all Catholics or even Christians.
        If you think that makes them all Catholics you are an idiot.
        Besides, FGM would hardly be a ‘Christian’ thing to do, hmm.
        
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        January 3, 2017 12:47pm
      - cha
        
        lmgtfy
        
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        January 3, 2017 1:03pm
      - GoVege
        
        I think you’d have difficulty finding any Christian females who’d been genitally mutilated.
        But places like Uganda are directing their brutality at their gays these days.
        I suppose at least that could be called “gender neutral”….at a stretch.
        
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        January 3, 2017 5:57pm
      - GoVege
        
        I think Cha is right, otherwise why would the Catholic Bishops of Ethiopia need to tell their followers FGM is strictly forbidden?
        We need to remember even Christians do things differently in other countries.
        Didn’t Catholic priests lead massacres in Rwanda 22 years ago?
        And some are hiding out in Italy apparently.
        
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        January 3, 2017 6:53pm
    - Rodney Randall
      
      Cultural Relativism warns us, quite rightly, about the danger of assuming that all our preferences are based on some absolute rational standard. They are not. Many (but not all) of our practices are merely peculiar to our society, and it is easy to lose sight of that fact. In reminding us of it, the theory does a service.
      
      However the theory is logically flawed in so many ways as to be rendered the antithesis of cultural evolution.
      
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      January 3, 2017 11:24am
      - stephieboy
        
        Rodney Randall, the issue has nothing to do with cultural relativism as such and Christian Uganda for example is doing all it can to stop the practice ,
        
        http://abovewhispers.com/2016/10/19/uganda-anti-fgm-campaigners-use-schools-fight-vice/
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:36am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      stephieboy,
      
      Merely enacting legislation to outlaw a popular cultural practice will not do a lot to suppress it. (Although it is a step in the right direction.)
      
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      January 3, 2017 12:06pm
      - stephieboy
        
        The practice was banned and outlawed in 2006. Since then it has been a long slow process of changing ancient attitudes through education and public awareness as well as advancing womens rights .
        
        But change is happening in Uganda and elsewhere ,
        
        http://www.monitor.co.ug/artsculture/Reviews/Female-circumcision–Uganda-still-has-a-long-way/691232-2614430-m6ytpoz/index.html
        
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        January 3, 2017 7:04pm
    - Twinkletoes
      
      As you well know, Stephie, under sharia (Sunni) law circumcision is mandatory for both male and female.
      
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      January 3, 2017 12:51pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Twinkletoes,
        
        Can you source that ?
        
        In the meantime ,
        
        “.. It is well established that female genital mutilation (FGM) is not required in Muslim law. It is an ancient cultural practice that existed before Islam, Christianity and Judaism. It is also agreed across large swathes of the world that it is barbaric. At the mass ceremony, I ask the foundation’s social welfare secretary, Lukman Hakim, why they do it. His answer not only predates the dawn of religion, it predates human evolution: “It is necessary to control women’s sexual urges,” says Hakim, a stern, bespectacled man in a fez. “They must be chaste to preserve their beauty…”
        
        https://www.theguardian.com/society/2012/nov/18/female-genital-mutilation-circumcision-indonesia
        
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        January 3, 2017 6:55pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  You lads have any views on male circumcision as practised today in the Pacific Islands?
  http://www.samoaobserver.ws/en/15_02_2016/editorial/2423/Unnecessary-surgical-procedures-or-traditional-practices.htm
  
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  January 3, 2017 11:57am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Thanks for the link.
    
    This article deceptively omits one salient point:
    
    The Psychosexual reasons for female circumcision in repressive cultures.
    FGM is carried out as a way to control women’s sexuality. Male circumcision is not. Female circumcision is thought to ensure virginity before marriage and fidelity afterward, and to increase male sexual pleasure.
    
    It is a vile abuse of women’s sexual rights employed by regressive abusive cultures, reducing the status of women to chattels
    
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    January 3, 2017 12:43pm
    - GoVege
      
      Totally agree Rodney.
      The term “female circumcision” is a devious euphemism meant to disguise the nature of this crime against millions of females.
      It should be called what it is: female genital mutilation.
      There is no comparison whatever with male circumcision.
      
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      January 3, 2017 6:19pm
      - Rodney Randall
        
        A vile euphemism indeed.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:26pm
  - kowtow
    
    No but I did hear of a poor practitioner;
    
    He slipped ……….and got the sack.
    
    Ba dum , tish.
    
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    January 3, 2017 12:49pm
Odakyu-sen

Google Translate is okay for single proper nouns (such as law names and organizational names) but is pretty poor in other areas.

Take this example.
“Time flies like an arrow.”
As a translator, when I parse this sentence, does it mean:
a. Time flies in the same way that you would time an arrow.
b. A species of fly (known as the “time fly”) likes arrows (and “arrows” is the name of something that a fly would like).
c. Time flies in the same way that an arrow flies.

Welcome to my world.
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January 3, 2017 10:36am
- mikenmild
  
  Knowledge of idiom is often the most difficult part.
  Consider:
  President Carter’s translator on a visit to Poland reportedly rendered a form of “Greetings to the Polish people” as “I desire the Poles carnally”.
  
  Or a Japanese PM who spoke no English visiting President Clinton. He was coached to go through the following conversation:
  PM: “How are you?”
  Clinton (anticipated response): “Very well thank you, and you?”
  PM: “Oh, me too.”
  The actual conversation took a rather different form:
  PM: “Who are you?”
  Clinton: “I’m Hillary Clinton’s husband.”
  PM: “Oh, me too.”
  
  Me, I’ve always been fascinated by the UK English: “I couldn’t care less” and the US English “I could care less.”
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:47am
  - PhilBest
    
    Then there was the famous incident apparently attributed to the King of Tonga, who thanked the official welcomers (in NZ? or somewhere) “from the bottom of my heart, and my wife also thanks you from her bottom”.
    
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    January 3, 2017 11:17am
    - kowtow
      
      The Queen to the Chinese Pres.
      
      HM ; Do you have elections?
      
      Pres; Ah yes , evely morning.
      
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      January 3, 2017 12:47pm
- Fletch
  
  Also when JFK said “Ich bin ein Berliner”, it actually translates to “I am a jelly doughnut”…
  
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  January 3, 2017 11:59am
  - mikenmild
    
    That one’s a myth, I believe:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ich_bin_ein_Berliner#Jelly_doughnut_misconception
    
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    January 3, 2017 12:16pm
    - Griff
      
      Ich bin ein Berliner” translate
      https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Ich+bin+ein+Berliner%E2%80%9D+traslate&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=LOBqWMOOF6bM8gfZhKqYCw
      
      Nur fletch konnte solchen Müll mit solcher Sicherheit behaupten.
      
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      January 3, 2017 12:22pm
- artemisia
  
  A. Time flies.
  B Can’t, they go too fast.
  
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  January 3, 2017 12:49pm
  - Komata
    
    Oi!!!
    
    An oldie, but still a Goody’ (with apologies to Bill Oddie, Tim Brooke-Taylor, and Graham Garden )
    
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    January 3, 2017 5:52pm
Reid

Al-Qaeda Cut Leaves 5 Million Thirsty In Damascus – Western Media Unconcerned

There is a humanitarian catastrophe unfolding in Syria and the “western” media ignore it.

On December 22 al-Qaeda aligned Takfiris in the Wadi Barada valley shut down the main water supply for the Syrian capital Damascus. Since then the city and some 5-6 million living in and around it have to survive on emergency water distributions by the Syrian government. That is barely enough for people to drink – no washing, no showers and no water dependent production is possible.

This shut down is part of a wider, seemingly coordinated strategy to deprive all government held areas of utility supplies. Two days ago the Islamic State shut down a major water intake for Aleppo from the Euphrates. High voltage electricity masts on lines feeding Damascus have been destroyed and repair teams, unlike before, denied access. Gas supplies to parts of Damascus are also cut…

The story isn’t what these bastards are doing, it’s what the Western media isn’t doing. Most of their failings is not in how they cover what they cover, it’s what they never cover at all. Unless you look at media other than Western, which most of you clearly don’t as interpreted from what you say on here, you will never know the extent to which they do this, all the time. And that’s the key to understanding anything, to know both sides, and they only ever one side, when they deliver anything at all.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/01/al-qaeda-cut-leaves-5-million-thirsty-in-damascus-western-media-unconcerned-.html#more
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January 3, 2017 10:40am
- mikenmild
  
  Do you find these Russian propaganda organs to be more truthful that the ‘Western’ media? How can one tell?
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:50am
  - Reid
    
    Reality’s always a good thing mm. For instance, if Syrians really did regard Assad the way the West has explained and keeps explaining, Syria would not be like this at all. Instead there’d be immense repression operations with tens of thousands of Syrian troops tied up and city after city rising up. After all, now that every single citizen in that country has lived with war day in day out for coming up ten years, they wouldn’t be scared, they’d know how to fight, they wouldn’t sit there and just cower while Assad’s murderous thugs raped and tortured and slaughtered their way through city after city after city.
    
    That’s what we should be hearing mm if the West’s account of the cassius belli for Syria were true, wouldn’t we. That’s only logical isn’t it. Those are the facts aren’t they. We would be hearing that, wouldn’t we.
    
    But we don’t do we. All we ever hear about is bullshit from the West, mostly from the bogus one-man band Syrian Observatory for Human Rights based in England and the White Helmets, founded by an ex_British military officer.
    
    If you’re credulous enough to fall for lightweight bullshit like that mm, that doesn’t surprise me at all, but a lot of people aren’t like you, in that.
    
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    January 3, 2017 11:08am
    - mikenmild
      
      I admire the energy with which you construct your straw men.
      
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      January 3, 2017 11:13am
      - Reid
        
        So you mean the SOHR and the White Helmets aren’t propaganda organs, or what do you mean, mm?
        
        Note naturally you also know the West has no actual journos on the ground, they all use mostly those two sources. Isn’t that interesting, a one man band in I think Surrey serves the entire Syrian media needs for the entire Western MSM. Isn’t that interesting. But of course this means nothing to you, does it.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:33am
      - mikenmild
        
        I have no opinion on those two sources. I was merely pointing out that being skeptical about Western media sources does not automatically mean that you have to accept hook, line and sinker whatever is spooned out to you by the Russkies.
        
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        January 3, 2017 11:44am
    - Pateke
      
      Hmmm. Cassius Belli… Didn’t he play prop for Horowhenua?
      Perhaps Casus Belli?
      
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      January 3, 2017 12:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Reminiscent of the MP who continually quoted a “well known” philosopher and orator from Ancient Rome, who seemed to have made sage statements on every subject under the sun. One day, when queried as to the name of his industrious source, the MP replied, “Ibid”.
        
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        January 3, 2017 12:46pm
      - Reid
        
        Yeah thanks Pateke, my spelling’s atrocious.
        
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        January 3, 2017 12:53pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Well it helps to read the editorial backdown
    
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-hackers-penetrated-us-electricity-grid-through-a-utility-in-vermont/2016/12/30/8fc90cc4-ceec-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html?utm_term=.471eda8ec393#comments
    
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    January 3, 2017 12:14pm
    - kowtow
      
      MW
      
      Well done posting that.
      
      But of course their timid retractions and corrections never get the same front page hype , promoting and repeating that the original propaganda got . Bastards.
      
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      January 3, 2017 12:44pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Of course not, and The WaPo wants to be one of the places to fact check fake news!
        
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        January 3, 2017 1:03pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red, this will add to your armoury of fake news stories ,
      
      “Fox retracts fake news about Food Stamp Fraud,”
      
      http://usuncut.com/class-war/fox-news-retracts-fake-news/
      
      But this takes the cake ,
      
      “Breitbart’s PizzaGate Conspiracy: When Fake News Inspires Real Violence”
      
      https://trofire.com/2016/12/06/breitbarts-pizzagate-conspiracy-fake-news-inspires-real-violence/
      
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      January 3, 2017 3:36pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        What a drip you are stephie……
        
        From your link –
        
        “The USDA actually cited that between 2009 and 2011, food stamp “trafficking,” in which SNAP benefits are sold for cash, was just 1.3 percent for the entire nation. This is a steep decline from the 4 percent level recorded in the 1990s.
        “We have not issued a report on this recently. There is no new rate that we’ve published. So we’re not quite sure why they’re so interested in stirring this up,” an unnamed USDA spokesperson told the Washington Post.
        
        Ironically, where Fox & Friends missed the mark was in underestimating the amount of food stamp fraud. As the SNAP program’s budget is approximately $70 billion, 1.3 percent of that would amount to roughly $853 million per year, rather than the remarkably low $70 million annual figure Huntsman cited earlier this week — which would be just 0.1 percent of dollars allocated for the program. Mother Jones’ Kevin Drum blasted not only Fox News for the error, but also the Washington Post’s Philip Bump, who recklessly posted a graphic of the false numbers on his blog:”
        
        What a dope 😆
        
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        January 3, 2017 5:42pm
- SPC
  
  The statement highlighted fighting in the rebel-held region of Wadi Barada near Damascus, which they allege has been subjected to almost-daily bombing raids. In recent weeks the rebels have accused the government and its allies of trying to recapture the area, which supplies water to the capital.http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38492939
  
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  January 3, 2017 8:54pm
EAD

Rabbis launch war on Christmas tree:

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20161224-israeli-rabbis-launch-war-on-christmas-tree/

Jerusalem hotels were warned that Jewish religious law forbids Christmas trees and new year’s parties. Many hotel owners took the warning to heart, fearful rabbis might carry out threats to damage their businesses by denying them “kosher” certificates.

Some years ago Upper Nazareth banned all signs of Christmas in the city’s public places while the Israeli parliament, the Knesset, has also been declared a Christmas tree-free zone – although Israeli leaders expect the US to be religiously inclusive, they refuse to practise the same at home.

In the coastal city of Haifa, Elad Dokow, rabbi of Israel’s premier technology university ordered Jewish students to boycott their union after it installed a modest Christmas tree.

But, but, but, but “it’s the only secular democracy in the Middle East. They protect the religious rights of Christians, Jews and Muslims”….. well at least that’s what the Cuckservatives tell us.
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January 3, 2017 11:30am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  I suspect that these tree-hating rabbis are Ultra Orthodox ones. They are pretty intolerant.
  
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  January 3, 2017 12:14pm
- Gabby
  
  cuck soccer
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:11pm
Jack5

Bangladeshis groping women in public – but it’s the West’s fault.

Similar problems in Stephiestan? What are the home web sites saying, Stephies? (Have you guys got a double shift on today? I notice a lot of your posts are getting two up-ticks.)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/02/mass-molestation-bangalore-blamed-on-indians-copying-west
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January 3, 2017 11:31am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  “I notice a lot of your posts are getting two up-ticks.”
  
  Specially trained squirrels, perhaps?
  
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  January 3, 2017 12:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    A squirrel can live about 20 years in captivity.
    
    Eighteen years memorising the Koran. That leaves two years for up-ticking in the Stephiestani troll squad.
    
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    January 3, 2017 2:54pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Yet another pointless post.
      
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      January 3, 2017 3:23pm
      - pentwig
        
        good grief!
        every post of yours steffie is pointless, incomprehensible and plain trolling.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:33pm
- stephieboy
  
  Jack 5 , stay calm .
  
  “An alleged “mass molestation” on the streets of one of India’s biggest cities on New Year’s Eve ”
  
  Note ” alleged ” . Or is that good enough to become a “fact” or “factoid “?
  
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  January 3, 2017 3:28pm
Viking2

The Left has absolutely lost the plot

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/rendezview/the-left-has-absolutely-lost-the-plot/news-story/894b92831bf4734e7e2b11597e7e279a

While hypocrisy and outrage spew from the mouths of the Left, the Right becomes increasingly determined.
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January 3, 2017 11:34am
Manolo

What will the Left call them?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/alabama-band-march-inauguration-igniting-controversy-155314525.html

The marching band of Alabama’s oldest private, historically black liberal arts college has accepted an invitation to perform at President-elect Donald Trump’s inaugural parade, organizers said.

Talladega College’s band will march at Trump’s inauguration as other historically black schools such as Howard University, which performed at President Barack Obama’s first inaugural parade, said they won’t be marching in the Jan. 20 event.
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January 3, 2017 11:58am
- Jack5
  
  The Talladega College Marching Band in swing:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_thly6vVJpE
  
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  January 3, 2017 1:46pm
cha

Turks, huh.

Turkey’s Directorate of Religious Affairs (Diyanet) has gathered intelligence via imams from 38 countries on the activities of suspected followers of the U.S.-based Islamic preacher Fethullah Gülen, widely believed to be the mastermind of the failed July 15 coup attempt.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?pageID=238&nid=107028
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January 3, 2017 12:03pm
- Inandout
  
  And from the same source a Muslim televangelist decries chess as sinful, but says oral sex is not. Oh well, I don’t play chess.
  
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  January 3, 2017 2:28pm
  - cha
    
    oral sex is not
    
    Meanwhile, in today’s stranger than fiction…..
    
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    January 3, 2017 2:42pm
Viking2

Further to the discussion on Wgtn airport came across this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReXPASI0S6U

Our airport hosts more travellers per square metre than any other airport in Australasia, so we are getting an upgrade. Construction commenced early 2016 on a new multi-level car parking building. The project is part of a wider airport upgrade that also includes the main terminal extension and on-site four star airport hotel. Located directly opposite the main terminal, the 8 storey car park will be home to 1,000 new parking spaces and an undercover transport hub for buses, coaches and cyclists. The new facility is a $70m investment that will take around 18 months to complete and is set to open in late 2017
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January 3, 2017 12:51pm
publicwatchdog

What’s your view on this one Kiwibloggers?

How was this lawful?

Corrupt Murray Noone had a private consultancy during the time he was a full-time ‘public official’ for both Rodney District Council and Auckland Transport.

https://www.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/1261415#

This ‘private consultancy’ was the mechanism through which corrupt ‘public official’ Murray Noone was paid $1.2 million in bribes by the corrupt contractor Borlase.

Across New Zealand at local and central government level – how many ‘public officials’ simultaneously have their own private consultancies?

How widespread is this practice?

Who is checking?

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’

2017 ‘Independent’ candidate in the Mt Albert by-Election.
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January 3, 2017 2:21pm
- nasska
  
  How’s your water Penny? Would you like me to courier you up a couple of 20 litre containers to help out? ?
  
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  January 3, 2017 2:33pm
- calendar girl
  
  A person who refuses to pay Council Rates (levied by his or her local authority, using proper legal process) has little moral authority to masquerade as an ‘anti-corruption campaigner’.
  
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  January 3, 2017 2:38pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Who gives a fuck?
  
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  January 3, 2017 2:46pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Penny:
  
  Did you find time during your Christmas/New Year break to read what Justice Venning wrote about you:
  
  None of the issues that Ms Bright raise amount to a defence to the Council’s claim for rates. Ms Bright may wish to make a point about the Council’s obligations under the Public Records Act and the Local Government Act, but these proceedings are not an appropriate vehicle to do so. Ms Bright, like other ratepayers, has an obligation to pay the rates that have been validly assessed as payable by her. Her refusal to do so simply increases the administration costs of the Council.
  
  After all, as you told us many times last year, you contributed to the World Justice Project Rule of Law Index 2015, so I assume you agree that respecting the rule of law (which includes respecting court decisions) is important?
  
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  January 3, 2017 5:40pm
cha

One day soon The Don’s going to have to get real.

Keep pissing off Beijing, Don — as POTUS you'll have no channel to DPRK next time the Norks do something crazy. https://t.co/AzHNE7f6DZ— John Schindler (@20committee) January 3, 2017

https://twitter.com/20committee/status/816086844337168384
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January 3, 2017 2:53pm
Captain Mainwaring

“The Secretary of the Refugee Council of New Zealand is a Mr Kaileshan Thanabalasingham.
A Kaileshan Thanabalasingham was deported from Canada in 2006 as the reputed leader of a Tamil gang that killed several youths in the 1990s.”

(This from DPF’s post a couple of days ago).

It’s been reported that Mr. Thanabalasingham is unable to attend the funeral for his family members as he continues to struggle with recovery from his burns. Whilst this is tragic for him we have to wonder what enquiries are going on about the circumstances of his entry into New Zealand.
The cause of the fire is said to be ‘not suspicious’, but we haven’t been told what the cause is.
And the spokesperson for the family is none other than Ms. Deborah Manning, terrorist-hugging lawyer who also represented Ahmed Zaoui.
Will we ever find out the truth?
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January 3, 2017 2:54pm
- Jack5
  
  Stuff reports the Give-a-Little web donation page set up to support Thanabalasingham has raised $76,000.
  
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88100391/auckland-father-critically-injured-in-house-fire-will-miss-funeral-for-wife-son-motherinlaw
  
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  January 3, 2017 4:00pm
mikenmild

I find it very suspicious that the spokesperson for the Secretary of the Refugee Council should be a lawyer who has acted for refugees.
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January 3, 2017 3:02pm
- Jack5
  
  But what sort of refugees, Milky? Zaoui, a former Islamicist politician on the run, who gatecrashed into NZ, and then there’s a refugee organisation executive who has the same name as someone kicked out of Canada for gang-related activities.
  
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  January 3, 2017 4:08pm
- Gabby
  
  It’s far more suspicious than putting the ceo of the grocers’ council on the board of the Health Promotion Agency. That’s just commonsense utilisation of expertise and in no way a conflict of interest.
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:09pm
Maggy Wassilieff

NZ’s murder capital

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/02/beautiful-and-doomed-new-zealands-capital-begins-the-fight-of-its-life
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January 3, 2017 3:24pm
- GoVege
  
  Nice article, Maggy.
  Thanks for sharing.
  Good to see the problem is being recognized, and something is being done about it.
  Interesting that all these poor kids topping themselves need is to feel that someone out there cares about them.
  Most of these kids’ parents would be alive…is it that hard to tell your own child you love them?
  I suppose maybe not, if you never really wanted kids, but you were brainwashed by your sexist culture to have as many as possible.
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:31pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s not a nice article, GoVege; it’s ghastly, tragic and so sad.
    
    I don’t think all these cases of suicide will be due to lack of love. I know a number of very loved folks who committed suicide.
    
    For young folks there’s often extreme types of peer pressures/stresses involved.
    Some people care too much about matters that are inconsequential, but don’t appear so in their mind.
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:46pm
Reid

Putin greets everybody but Obama:

Russian President Vladimir Putin has snubbed outgoing US President Barack Obama on New Year by expressing his good wishes to President-elect Donald Trump instead.

In his annual New Year’s greeting to his foreign counterparts, Putin also congratulated former US Presidents George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush without mentioning Obama, CNN reported Saturday.

Putin also expressed hope that Washington and Moscow could take “real steps” to improve ties after the 45th American president’s inauguration on January 20.

The Russian head of state said he was optimistic that the two countries, “acting in a constructive and pragmatic manner, will be able to take real steps to restore the mechanisms of bilateral cooperation in various areas and take their interaction in the international arena to a whole new level.”

Directly addressing Trump in his message released by the Kremlin on Friday, Putin also addressed the significance of strong ties between Russia and the US.

“Major global and regional challenges that our countries have confronted in recent years clearly confirm that Russia-US relations are an important factor in ensuring stability and security in the modern world,” Putin said.

To make the situation more embarrassing for Obama, Putin also congratulated British Prime Minister Theresa May and former French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

Even former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi received a New Year greeting from Putin…

http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/01/504413/US-Russia-Trump-Obama-New-Year/
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January 3, 2017 3:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid ,on the other hand your link reports promising developments on the US led front against Daesh at Mosul,
  
  http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/01/02/504584/Daesh-resources-dwindling-in-Mosul-US-focused-on-the-east-side/
  
  Or is that yet another example of ” fake” News ?
  
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  January 3, 2017 3:49pm
- mikenmild
  
  I imagine Obama will be crushed by not getting a New Year’s greeting from Putin…
  
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  January 3, 2017 5:02pm
- Gabby
  
  God only knows what there is to congratulate Sarcoma about.
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:04pm
Manolo

Assange, once a true hero of the Left, on Obama:
WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says there’s an “obvious” reason the Obama administration has focused on Russia’s alleged role in Democratic hacks leading up to Donald Trump’s electoral win.

“They’re trying to delegitimize the Trump administration as it goes into the White House,” Assange said during an interview with Fox News’s Sean Hannity airing Tuesday night, according to a transcript of excerpts from the network.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/312431-wikileaks-founder-obama-admin-trying-to-delegitimize-trump
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January 3, 2017 4:38pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manalo , but, but , tut , tut…,
  
  “Is Julian Assange dead . Wiki leaks founder possibly silenced over Pizza gate ,”
  
  http://www.inquisitr.com/3742033/news-is-julian-assange-dead-rumors-claim-wikileaks-founder-silenced-over-pizzagate/
  
  BTW , like ” The Kenyan “are you a Pizzagate true believer ?
  
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  January 3, 2017 4:56pm
Manolo

The liberal WaPo doing what it condemns:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/russian-government-hackers-do-not-appear-to-have-targeted-vermont-utility-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/01/02/70c25956-d12c-11e6-945a-76f69a399dd5_story.html?utm_term=.686bb272086c
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January 3, 2017 4:41pm
stephieboy

Mnaolo, this was my response to Maggy W’s post on the same W P item,

All on Red, this will add to your armoury of fake news stories ,

“Fox retracts fake news about Food Stamp Fraud,”

http://usuncut.com/class-war/fox-news-retracts-fake-news/

But this takes the cake ,

“Breitbart’s PizzaGate Conspiracy: When Fake News Inspires Real Violence”

https://trofire.com/2016/12/06/breitbarts-pizzagate-conspiracy-fake-news-inspires-real-violence/
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January 3, 2017 4:49pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  What a drip you are stephie……
  
  From your link –
  
  “The USDA actually cited that between 2009 and 2011, food stamp “trafficking,” in which SNAP benefits are sold for cash, was just 1.3 percent for the entire nation. This is a steep decline from the 4 percent level recorded in the 1990s.
  “We have not issued a report on this recently. There is no new rate that we’ve published. So we’re not quite sure why they’re so interested in stirring this up,” an unnamed USDA spokesperson told the Washington Post.
  
  Ironically, where Fox & Friends missed the mark was in underestimating the amount of food stamp fraud. As the SNAP program’s budget is approximately $70 billion, 1.3 percent of that would amount to roughly $853 million per year, rather than the remarkably low $70 million annual figure Huntsman cited earlier this week — which would be just 0.1 percent of dollars allocated for the program. Mother Jones’ Kevin Drum blasted not only Fox News for the error, but also the Washington Post’s Philip Bump, who recklessly posted a graphic of the false numbers on his blog:”
  
  What a dope 😆
  
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  January 3, 2017 5:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Don the Kiwi,
    
    Fox News apologizes for getting a report on food stamp fraud so very, very wrong
    
    Fox News took its war on the hungry to new lows by presenting false statistics about food stamp fraud as fact
    
    “We reported that back in 2016 $70 million were wasted on food stamp fraud,” Fox News contributor Abby Huntsman said. “That was actually incorrect. The latest information from 2009 to 2011 shows the fraud at 1.3 percent, which is approximately $853 million for each of those three years. Nationally food stamp trafficking is on the decline. So sorry about that mistake.”
    
    There are two aspects to this story that are almost too strange to believe. The first is the cruel logic of arguing that a program which feeds millions of people who might otherwise go hungry should be cut because less than 1 percent of its budget is used fraudulently. After all, food stamps cost $70.8 billion in the 2016 fiscal year, so $70 million would be a remarkably low figure…
    
    ..Even if this is an all-time high, the Fox high command can’t believe this is anything but a spectacular bureaucratic success,” Drum wrote. “And it would be, if it were true. But it’s not. If you look at inaccurate SNAP payments to states, the error rate since 2005 has decreased from 6 percent of the budget to less than 4 percent. However, this isn’t fraud anyway: It’s just an error rate, and most of the errors are eventually corrected. SNAP ‘trafficking’ — exchanging SNAP benefits for cash — is fraud, but it’s been declining steadily too, from 3.8 percent in 1993 to 1.3 percent in 2011 (the most recent year for which we have records).”
    
    http://www.salon.com/2016/12/30/fox-news-apologizes-for-getting-a-report-on-food-stamp-fraud-so-very-very-wrong/
    
    What A Idiot !
    
    Yet another Pizzagate true believer ?
    
    Sigh….!
    
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    January 3, 2017 6:00pm
- pentwig
  
  And what a thoughtless reply steffie
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:05pm
  - Griff
    
    fap fap faping away in moms basement again pentwig ?
    You really need to see a shrink before your obsession manifests in the physical world .
    Stalking is a crime you know.
    One that can result in a stay at the pleasure of her majesty not your mom .
    
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    January 3, 2017 10:20pm
Manolo

The Germans can only blame Merkel for this madness:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4082182/German-police-arrest-Syrian-refugee-asked-ISIS-150-000-turn-cars-suicide-bombs-drive-crowds-non-Muslims.html
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January 3, 2017 5:13pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear, 18 Million Quid Tidal Energy scheme has broken down after only 3 months……

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4081766/18million-tidal-energy-scheme-stops-working-just-three-months.html
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January 3, 2017 5:14pm
- stephieboy
  
  Maggy Wassilief, well there is always the possibility of replacing it with the cherished brown coal burning station,
  
  https://climatechangesocialchange.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/hazelwood-power-station.jpg
  
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  January 3, 2017 5:18pm
  - Manolo
    
    The Gaia worshipper has spoken.
    
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    January 3, 2017 5:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo , much better I suppose than pillaging and plundering mother earth ,
      
      http://meducator.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Trump-Climate-Change-China.jpg
      
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      January 3, 2017 5:28pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I don’t think the Welsh will like you describing their beautiful black coal as brown coal.
    (You do know the difference, eh?)
    
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    January 3, 2017 5:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Here ,
      
      “Lignite, often referred to as brown coal, is a soft brown combustible sedimentary rock formed from naturally compressed peat. It is considered the lowest rank of coal due to its relatively low heat content. It has a carbon content around 60–70 percent.”
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lignite
      
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      January 3, 2017 5:47pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Good work stephieboy…
        
        and now, how about checking out the quality and AGE of the coal in the South Wales coal belt?
        
        (You do realise South Wales is NOT NSW?)
        
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        January 3, 2017 5:55pm
      - stephieboy
        
        stephieboy , oh dear . Will this do ?
        
        http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/4c600606bb4b6eca70fdf73fa86e7a03
        
        Yallourn brown coal station OZ
        
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        January 3, 2017 6:05pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Oh dear, stephieboy…
        
        How about you check out Pembrokeshire anthracite
        and report back?
        
        (p.s. do you like my School marm tone?)
        
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        January 3, 2017 6:13pm
Nostradamus

On 20 December Morrissey (currently sitting on 999 comments) promised us a special 1,000th comment:

To mark the occasion, I’ve decided to compose a playscript dramatising the rather pathetic relationship of a few rather pathetic, and nasty to boot, creatures from one of our sister blogs. (No, I’m not going to say any more—you’ll have to wait and see.)

Morrissey missed his self-imposed deadline (22 December) but, judging by his comment at The Standard today, the 1,000th comment is imminent.
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January 3, 2017 5:18pm
- nasska
  
  Imminent the comment may be but dollars get you not very much at all in the way of odds that it will contain boilerplate leftist garbage.
  
  Just like the other 999. 🙂
  
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  January 3, 2017 5:28pm
  - stephieboy
    
    nassaka , another alt right tard Pizzagate true believer ?
    
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    January 3, 2017 5:31pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      another alt right tard Pizzagate true believer
      
      Oh, since we’re asking presumptive questions, did you see any attractive young girls while sipping a coffee at St Lukes today?
      
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      January 3, 2017 5:45pm
      - mikenmild
        
        St Lukes? Is that a church serving coffee instead of communion wine?
        
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        January 3, 2017 5:57pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Meh, she will be stuck at 999 for sometime, typical leftie with no fortitude.
  
  Happy New Year to y’all as well
  
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  January 3, 2017 10:10pm
Manolo

Who is lying?
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/02/tech-company-casts-doubt-on-dhsfbi-russian-hacking-report/
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January 3, 2017 5:36pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, we await a Senate invesitgation that will settle the matter once and for all ( unlike Benghazi )
  
  But John Mc Cain and other GOP members believe the hacking claims are credible ,
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4078796/John-McCain-calls-Russia-s-hacking-act-war-demands-stronger-sanctions.html
  
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  January 3, 2017 7:09pm
Manolo

These barbarians are beyond salvation:
https://richarddawkins.net/2013/10/its-not-the-radical-shaykh-its-islam-fahad-qureshi/

When Muslim organizations invite Shaykhs who speak openly about the values of Islam, the Islamophobic western media starts murdering the character of that organization and the invited speaker. The question these Islamophobic journalists need to reflect upon is; are these so called ”radical” views that they criticize endorsed only by these few individuals being invited around the globe, or does the common Muslims believe in them.

If the common Muslims believe in these values that means that more or less all Muslims are radical and that Islam is a radical religion. Since this is not the case, as Islam is a peaceful religion and so are the masses of common Muslims, these Shaykhs cannot be radical.
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January 3, 2017 6:15pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, what proposals has Richard Dawkins put on the table to ban this worlwide 1.6 billion member religion ?
  
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  January 3, 2017 7:13pm
  - Manolo
    
    Have you watched the video? As a Muslim, what do you think of it? Please, do tell.
    
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    January 3, 2017 10:27pm
nasska

The British Government have unveiled new plans to dissuade Muslims from going to Syria to fight for the ISIS.

They’re sponsoring a series of school discos in Rotherham.
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January 3, 2017 6:53pm
- Reid
  
  Lets all wait for stephie to celebrate such a splendid initiative.
  
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  January 3, 2017 7:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , another piece of” fake ” news coming from ISIS ?
    
    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/isis-accuses-us-bombing-civilians-mosul/
    
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    January 3, 2017 7:19pm
    - Reid
      
      Do you ever address a comment stupidboy?
      
      Remember I told you I’d keep calling you that till you stopped putting words into other people’s mouths? Well I notice DPF warned you about that and yet, you just did it again above with Nosty having to call you out in his 5.45.
      
      You want to be careful stupidboy, DPF doesn’t like it when you ignore him.
      
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      January 3, 2017 7:24pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , well at least I don’t call you a C !
        
        A put the comment in the form of a question for you to respond to if you wished .
        
        There were no accusations but I do have reasonable grounds to believe that the US backed initiatives against ISIS whether in Iraq or Syria are regarded by many like you as illusory or with this misalign kind of stuff ,
        
        http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-is-protecting-the-terrorists-america-to-the-rescue-of-isis-daesh-testimonies-of-syrian-soldiers-who-witnessed-the-us-airstrikes/5546610
        
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        January 3, 2017 7:30pm
      - Reid
        
        A put the comment in the form of a question for you to respond to if you wished .
        
        No you don’t, you deliberately word it as if the person you’re responding to said it.
        
        That’s why DPF called you out.
        
        Haven’t you worked that out?
        
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        January 3, 2017 7:48pm
      - Reid
        
        There were no accusations but I do have reasonable grounds to believe that the US backed initiatives against ISIS whether in Iraq or Syria are regarded by many like you as illusory or with this misalign kind of stuff ,
        
        I have no idea what that means stephie and seriously don’t want to know, but what I suggest is if you want to make a completely different point to the one you are responding to, make a completely separate post and don’t tie it to the original, in any way, don’t even mention it.
        
        This way, your future posts will stick out like a sore thumb and we can all furiously downtick until the magic number is reached and no-one else has to go blind because they read something you said.
        
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        January 3, 2017 7:56pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , the substance of my post ,
        
        “Reid , another piece of” fake ” news coming from ISIS ?”
        
        For you to say a Yes or a No !
        
        Simple really !
        
        You disagree with e.g Trump that Obama and Clinton founded ISIS ?
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:17pm
      - SPC
        
        Wrong Reid, DPF called up sb for an offensive comment in his post – DPF realised he was inferring this was EAD’s opinion and it was not his own position – but Maggy W had either misunderstood (or was being specious) and complained. Thus he was told to be more careful about the lack of clarity.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:39pm
Lucia Maria

EAD’s comment today seems to have stirred the fires of nationalism and ethnic superiority.

Quite ironic that he’s talking about increased New Year’s security in Europe, I presume, and maybe the US from the comfort of New Zealand, and associating us here the Europeans and Americans when he whips up outrage over ethnics who open restaurants.

He talks about “formerly peaceful homogenous countries”, without realising that homogenous countries are in European terms a very recent phenomenon. Just over a hundred years ago, Europeans were part of multi-ethnic empires. It is only since WWII especially, the horrendous amount of death and destruction caused by the German Nazis especially, that countries that were still multi-ethnic after WWI became homogenous, such as Poland.

He says “We are risking destroying our culture, our heritage, our blood and our civilisation.” What is this “we” he talks about, especially from New Zealand, which never has been homogenous, except in pre-European times.

I mean, all the uptickers (37 at the time of this writing) all stupid? Or easily taken in by a stirring speech? Or just don’t give a damn that he trying to whip up support for fuck knows what, in New Zealand, of all places?

You know, Western Civilisation was built on faith in Christ the Lord. Not this.
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January 3, 2017 7:05pm
- Griff
  
  You were going great guns until you hit the middle eastern cult imposed on us by kings and invaders.
  Our western civilization is founded on rational exploration of the world around us not gibbering god whackings certainty .
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Enlightenment
  
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  January 3, 2017 7:12pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Griff,
    
    Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you fight me on this point, ~~you~~ we will lose the war and EAD and his belief system will win. It’s happened before. Western Enlightenment has no defence against it.
    
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    January 3, 2017 7:18pm
    - Reid
      
      What’s EAD’s belief system Lucia? Clearly you know him intimately. Do tell.
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:04pm
  - Griff
    
    Rational people dont do gods Lucy .
    Faith by its nature is irrational.
    Our western civilization arose in spit of not because of the church.
    The Muslims so many on here condemn are what we would be if it was not for the enlightenment.
    Trapped in a primitive world view obeying priests and kings.
    AKA Conservationism.
    
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    January 3, 2017 7:27pm
    - Reid
      
      Gosh Griff I’ll have to tell all the Christian scientists I know that all this time they’ve been pretending to be rational in the very field that defines rationality and yet, Griff has ruled otherwise.
      
      I’m sure they’ll be devastated and resign their positions immediately.
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:03pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It is possible to hold irrational beliefs and still act rationally in other respects. Mental illnesses are not necessarily crippling.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:07pm
- EAD
  
  You’re a funny one Lucia Maria – you pop up in the evening, read one of my posts and claim that I don’t really mean what I mean and I must be mistaken.
  
  Well, I do mean exactly what I say if that clarifies things.
  
  On the subject of race, I’m very much in the Benjamin Disraeli (2 time Jewish Prime minister of the UK) rather tham Lucia Maria from the Conservative.co.nz school of thought on the subject of race. Here are some of his quotes:
  
  – Race is everything; there is no other truth ,and every race must fall which carelessly suffers its blood to become mixed.
  
  – No man will treat with indifference the principle of race. It is the key to history, and why history is often so confused is that it has been written by men who are ignorant of this principle and all the knowledge it involves. . . Language and religion do not make a race–there is only one thing which makes a race, and that is blood.
  
  Why do you think the state of Israel refuses to allow mixed marriages to be performed inside of its borders? Why do you think the Jewish Press has article after article telling Jewish readers that assimilation is the biggest danger they face:
  
  http://www.timesofisrael.com/liberman-jewish-continuity-not-iran-our-greatest-concern/
  
  Why conversely do Hollyweird and Advertising Agencies always push miscegination at every opportunity, encouraging Westerners to obliterate their genealogical legacy?
  
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  January 3, 2017 8:52pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    EAD,
    
    You’re a funny one Lucia Maria – you pop up in the evening, read one of my posts and claim that I don’t really mean what I mean and I must be mistaken.
    
    No, I just want to clarify what you mean with regards to NZ and acknowledge the that homogenous nations for Europeans is an unusual way to live.
    
    Whether I pop up in the evening or the morning or the afternoon should not detract from anything I’ve said. As you may be aware, some of us have lives and can’t be here all of the time.
    
    And what’s with this obsession with my website?
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:16pm
Reid

He says “We are risking destroying our culture, our heritage, our blood and our civilisation.” What is this “we” he talks about, especially from New Zealand, which never has been homogenous, except in pre-European times.

He’s talking about us Lucia. Not them. Us. U.s.

Us.

Not them.

Hope that helps, but suspect it doesn’t.

You know, Western Civilisation was built on faith in Christ the Lord…

That was part of it. Another part of it, like it or not, deny it if you wish but doesn’t change the fact, is that Western civilisation over many, many centuries consistently did a whole hell of a lot to separate and discourage the white caucasians in it from breeding with other races. This was happening at the same time “western civilisation was being built” so presumably you don’t object to including it as one of the causal factors in its construction, given its ubiquity and persistence for many centuries across the entire Western world.

You’ll note also of course the Old Testament is full of God’s commands to keep the Israelites pure. So its quite arguable racial integrity was and is one of God’s objectives.
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- Lucia Maria
  
  Reid,
  
  He’s talking about us Lucia. Not them. Us. U.s.
  
  Us.
  
  Not them.
  
  Hope that helps, but suspect it doesn’t.
  
  Of course it doesn’t because what you are saying is meaningless. Maybe it will help if you add race into it.
  
  ..Western civilisation over many, many centuries consistently did a whole hell of a lot to separate and discourage the white caucasians in it from breeding with other races.
  
  No, it didn’t. Where it might have happened, that was more Protestant than Catholic.
  
  You’ll note also of course the Old Testament is full of God’s commands to keep the Israelites pure. So its quite arguable racial integrity was and is one of God’s objectives.
  
  Until Christ was born and then it didn’t matter anymore.
  
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  January 3, 2017 7:31pm
  - Reid
    
    Jesus reinterpreted he didn’t obviate Lucia.
    
    Of course it doesn’t because what you are saying is meaningless. Maybe it will help if you add race into it.
    
    Nasska’s point was about nationality not race, we as a nation aren’t interested in having our nationhood diluted, that’s what I’m discussing, what are you discussing?
    
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    January 3, 2017 7:49pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      You need to be far more explicit about what you are talking about, Reid, as I am on this subject, a bit dense. Vague innuendo just doesn’t cut it.
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:30pm
- EAD
  
  You’ll note also of course the Old Testament is full of God’s commands to keep the Israelites pure
  
  Thanks Reid, I made a similar point above. Isn’t it incredible watching people and their willful blindspots when the facts can’t be bended to fit the worldview they’ve been indoctrinated with?
  
  “Any formal attack on ignorance is bound to fail because the masses are always ready to defend their most precious possession – their ignorance.” – Hendrik Willem van Loon
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:02pm
  - Griff
    
    ROFL.
    You see though it all EAD….
    Is that like the great economic collapse of 2014….2015….2016 and still waiting you pushed with absolute certainty?
    You read proven twaddle.
    The funny part is you go back for more helpings from the same sources even though it makes you look like a totally ignorant arse .
    
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    January 3, 2017 9:32pm
nasska

….”Our western civilization is founded on rational exploration of the world around us not gibbering god whackings certainty .”…..

How true. It’s also being undone by gibbering Islamists seeking to impose their Sky Fairy on everyone.

Religion should only ever be a private matter between a believer & their psychiatrist.

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January 3, 2017 7:23pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Sigh.
  
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  January 3, 2017 7:48pm
  - Griff
    
    Dear dear lucy
    A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words.
    Twenty Pictures are Worth 20,000 Words.
    
    http://alamoministries.com/content/english/Antichrist/nazigallery/photogallery.html
    
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    January 3, 2017 7:57pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      I’ll give you more than 20 thousand words: Priestblock 25487: a Memoir of Dachau and St. Maximilian Kolbe.
      
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      January 3, 2017 8:26pm
      - mikenmild
        
        When the Pope mumbles the magic words to make another saint, does the lucky holy one get a better deal in heaven?
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:40pm
      - Reid
        
        mm your sarcasm would be more effective were it not always aimed at the lower half of the class.
        
        Just thought I’d point it out in case your arrogance was interfering with your seeing that for yourself…
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:46pm
      - nasska
        
        Some of those poor wannabe saints have been parked up in Heaven waiting for the nod for centuries Mike.
        
        I’ll bet they’re regretting that they didn’t hire better PR experts when they were down here! 🙂
        
        Edit; Sorry Reid. I guess I’m heading for the dunces corner too.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:50pm
      - Griff
        
        Actually Lucy I agree with you entirely on EAD
        I just think concluding with your god delusion missis the point
        Many of the atheists on the blogs I read are just as concerned with the rise of the alt right as you seem to be .
        The answer to irrational belief is not more irrational beliefs.
        The antisemitism that underlies EADS world view is rooted within your church.
        Jesus was killed by the Jews has been the reason to persecute the jews for two thousand years .
        EAD is merely repeating the unpalatable consequence of your own religions historical actions.
        
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        January 3, 2017 8:53pm
      - Reid
        
        Sorry Reid. I guess I’m heading for the dunces corner too.
        
        Not at all nasska, that’s just for mm and his “amusing” repartee.
        
        Thing a lot of people miss over religion nasska is it’s not mankind’s interpretation of it. The more doctrinaire one’s chosen path (denomination) is, the more it will appear to outsiders to be, but actually true religion is never about that, for true religion is entirely and always exclusively personal.
        
        This (the personal) is what we’re judged on and therefore it matters not what others say about us either here or elsewhere, it’s what we did, thought and said during our time here that’s relevant and that’s the only thing that’s relevant.
        
        Sainthood is for man, not God.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:03pm
      - nasska
        
        Obviously I don’t agree entirely Reid but a reasonable point well argued.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:06pm
      - Reid
        
        Yes, I imagine Lucia’s not quite so pleased nasska.
        
        BTW, did you say that just because you didn’t want to encourage a religious discussions or because you really believed it?
        
        🙂
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:11pm
      - nasska
        
        I never have a problem with anyone who puts up a lucid argument about anything Reid. I might vehemently disagree with the substance of your beliefs but I reserve my contempt only for those who superciliously force their imaginary God’s moral laws & dogma onto me & mine.
        
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        January 3, 2017 9:23pm
Reid

Jesus was killed by the Jews has been the reason to persecute the jews for two thousand years .

No it hasn’t.
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January 3, 2017 9:04pm
- EAD
  
  Indeed,
  
  I wonder how many of our intrepid General Debaters have read Bernard Lazare, who amongst many pieces of work examined the history of Jews in Europe wrote this:
  
  “If this hostility, even aversion, had only been shown towards the Jews at one period and in one country, it would be easy to unravel the limited causes of this anger, but this race has been on the contrary an object of hatred to all the peoples among whom it has established itself.
  
  It must be therefore, since the enemies of the Jews belonged to the most diverse races, since they lived in countries very distant from each other, since they were ruled by very different laws, governed by opposite principles, since they had neither the same morals, nor the same customs, since they were animated by unlike dispositions which did not permit them to judge of anything in the some way, it must be therefore that the general cause of antiSemitism has always resided in Israel itself and not in those who have fought against Israel.”
  
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  January 3, 2017 9:40pm
  - Reid
    
    We need also to remember EAD the millions of faithful, well-meaning Jews who have the same outlook as we all do on injustice and inhumanity.
    
    They are also there, living alongside the tiny cabal of deceptive traitors who claim to improve their lot but instead poison it with hatred and insecurity, that these poor folk have elected as their leaders.
    
    Talk about tragedy.
    
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    January 3, 2017 10:01pm
    - EAD
      
      100% agree Reid – I’m half way through the wonderful Tell the Truth and Shame the devil by Gérard Menuhin who is Jewish and he is definitely in the great category.
      
      Ashkenazi Jews almost without exception have been the reasons so many host communities have become hostile towards Jews whereas Sephardic Jews have tended to be loyal and patriotic citizens of wherever they’ve settled.
      
      That is a bit generalisation, but one that is a good rule of thumb – even this FAQ I just googled section says as much:
      
      http://www.jewfaq.org/m/ashkseph.htm
      
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      January 3, 2017 10:10pm
      - Reid
        
        Yeah that’s my mileage too EAD. Too bad the people who will confidently proclaim all of this discussion is terribly anti-semitic at the same time have absolutely no idea what the fuck we’re talking about, isn’t it.
        
        And it’s only KM 101
        
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        January 3, 2017 10:13pm
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD, I’m intrigued. I read further about Bernard Lazare a champion of Richard Dreyfuss amongst many things .
    
    Here is a review of his book,
    
    Real answers to the issue of hate against the jews., November 10, 2002
    
    By Manuel Nuñez
    
    This review is from: Antisemitism: Its History and Causes (Paperback)
    
    “Written in 1895,by a very respected jewish-french socialist writer this books vividly details the history of antisemitism from ancient times to the 19th century. It’s narrative and descripton are essential for any serious interpretation of the eternal question of why the world has hated the jews so much. A question that sometimes has taken different form of unspoken prejudice and direct manifestation like the mass killing in the holocust.
    The strenght of the book lies in it’s conclusions -that the jews are hated because they are always viewed as strangers- whch have outlasted the life of the author to serve as a permanent remainder of how human beings can be guided by the wrong principles in their relationships with other human beings that may seem to be different because of their values and religion.”
    
    https://www.amazon.com/review/RO5GVLRQ65RD0/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=080327954X&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=283155&store=books
    
    Touche !
    
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    January 3, 2017 11:04pm
Reid

You need to be far more explicit about what you are talking about, Reid, as I am on this subject, a bit dense. Vague innuendo just doesn’t cut it.

You mean race vs nationality? Take Chinese families: various waves, from the late 1800’s to present day. Which ones are part of Aotearoa?

Born here?

From when?

Hard isn’t it. What’s the definition, which would bedevil a policy analyst.

But it’s the wrong question.

Some people are Kiwis who’ve never even set foot in the place maybe never even heard of it. They’d just fit right in.

That’s the criteria Lucia.

Fuck letting in anyone who harbours the least animosity, the least bludgerocity, anything except a total willingness to live in the land and its people as they are and respect both always.

But we don’t get a choice Lucia, these days. Other people are deciding, not here, yet, but in Europe and the States they are importing clear and present utter scum. Destined and designed for one thing only, to make life hell for the natives.

Question is: how come our “democracies” are doing this to us?

That’s as I understand EAD is saying, your mileage may differ, naturally.

If you
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- stephieboy
  
  Reid, if our immigration policies are not detemined by our present and past governments then who does ?
  
  Could you identify who you ( or EAD ) exactly regard as ” clear and present utter scum. Destined and designed for one thing only, to make life hell for the natives.” ??
  
  These ?
  
  http://somaligraduatejournal.org
  
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  January 3, 2017 11:11pm
Scorpion

Documents or Manuals of White Genocide

Karlagi plan for Europe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

Founder or the EU who was Anti-European for the outset.
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The man of the future will be of mixed race. Today’s races and classes will gradually disappear owing to the vanishing of space, time, and prejudice. The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals. […]

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A Swiss genealogy company named IGENEA issued a press release based on a blurry screen-grab from the Discovery documentary. It claimed that the colored peaks on the computer screen proved that Tutankhamun belonged to an ancestral line, or haplogroup, called R1b1a2, that is rare in modern Egypt but common in western Europeans.

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which though originally developed to exterminate
the German People.

It's modified techniques and the combined with the Hooton plan are used and applied now in every country with Europeans in it, including Australia
and New Zealand.

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