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Chuck Bird

An excellent article by Rodney.

Rodney Hide: Trump trumps naysayers

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11789178#28579910
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January 29, 2017 8:07am
- David Garrett
  
  Chuck: Yes indeed…I cant wait to ask some leftie idiot why they think Trump killed an agreement that was supposedly hugely biased in the Americans’ favour… I suspect the answer will be a stony silence…similar to the reaction every time gas gets cheaper due to an abundant supply, despite “peak oil” having supposedly occurred years ago.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:44am
  - Gabby
    
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    I can’t wait to ask some rightard davidiot if Chump got the best deals. I suspect the answer will be similar to some bullshit about petrol prices going down when they aren’t.
    
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    January 29, 2017 8:49am
    - thedavincimode
      
      gabby – such a poor embittered little soul.
      
      I feel a bit sorry for you so here’s a little tip; shop around for petrol and choose your day and you’ll be able to buy it cheaper than than you’ve been able to buy it for years, just as you can pay far more than you’ve had to for years if you don’t shop around.
      
      But for heaven’s sake, don’t stop with the sad-arsed loser rhetoric; it’s one of the reasons I come here.
      
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      January 29, 2017 9:15am
      - Gabby
        
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        Shop around and choose your day? What kind of sad arsed loser rhetoric is that? Too much pizza has made you weak, pizzacommode, weak like a little girl.
        
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        January 29, 2017 9:19am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Oh, the bitterness.
        
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        January 29, 2017 9:24am
      - Paulus
        
        Not cheaper if you have to use 98oct because you have a very efficient small engine.
        But of course garages do not advertise 98oct which is actually about 20c – 30c more expensive that 91oct.
        That is why they do not put the price on a board.
        
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        January 29, 2017 10:19am
  - itstricky
    
    every time gas gets cheaper due to an abundant supply, despite “peak oil” having supposedly occurred years ago.
    
    Shit, anyone would think oil was a renewable resource, the way you go on about it.
    
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    January 29, 2017 8:53am
    - David Garrett
      
      tricky: ah, No…only a fool would think that, or take it from my comment.
      
      But since you are clearly slow, let me spell it out for you: Oil IS a finite resource, and one day – a few centuries from now – the last super expensive barrel of the stuff will be pumped…but by then it will have been long made redundant as a transport fuel.
      
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      January 29, 2017 8:56am
      - itstricky
        
        Daveo…Well done. Correct answer. Finite. Finite. Finite.
        
        And despite that, you still think it is super intelligent and charming to blow raspberries at anyone who suggests a move to alternatives.
        
        Weird. Do you hang outside research labs chanting “you’ll never find a cure for cancer!” ?
        
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        January 29, 2017 9:15am
      - Disaster Area
        
        ‘but by then it will have been long made redundant as a transport fuel.’
        
        Are you in favour of creating the necessary infrastructure around the country for electric vehicles?
        
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        January 29, 2017 10:53am
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        With cheap (nuclear) energy oil can be manufactured from water and CO2 from the atmosphere, I have seen figures as low as $50/barrel. It is unbeatable with it’s safe high energy density and long storage life, so hydrocarbon fuels are likely to still be in use in thousands of years for high energy applications like aviation and shipping.
        
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        January 29, 2017 10:03pm
    - BeeSting
      
      I love my Dual Fuel Vehicle
      
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      January 29, 2017 11:25am
    - Paul Marsden
      
      It is. Unless you can tell me precisely when mother nature stopped producing it??
      
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      January 29, 2017 1:13pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Wow, so you think the stone age ended because we ran out of stone ?
      
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      January 30, 2017 9:44am
  - Komata
    
    I seem to have missed it, but what was Jane Kelsey’s reaction to getting what she wanted?
    
    Thanks.
    
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    January 29, 2017 9:28am
    - David Garrett
      
      Komata: Excellent point…but a better one is where are the “journalists” asking her to comment on President Trump doing exactly what she has urged upon him…well, not directly of course.
      
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      January 29, 2017 9:31am
  - Peter
    
    The left is tribal.
    
    Trump is a “wrong person”, therefore “wrong” even when he’s doing exactly what many on the left have advocated.
    
    Reasoning won’t work. Many aren’t even capable, anymore so than a religious zealot is capable.
    
    Much the same thing.
    
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    January 29, 2017 5:18pm
- itstricky
  
  Chuck:. Yes indeed, Rodney is correct, the Trump presidency is very entertaining…. hilarious in fact. I hope he makes more statements on crowd sizes and the ratings of The Apprentice.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:56am
  - David Garrett
    
    Ah tricky…you get so upset when I modify your handle…but then you keep on saying such stupid things…and making up things I am supposed to have said…but for the record, I don’t sneer at all at efforts to find alternatives for oil as a transport fuel…as I have said here many times, the stuff is far too valuable to be used for that purpose..
    
    But tell me, how far in the future do you see alternatives for kerosene powered aircraft? I am not an engineer, but I doubt an Airbus 380 would be able to get off the ground with the size of solar panels that would be necessary to power it…super light batteries perhaps??
    
    Do enlighten us on what we can expect in this regard in the future.
    
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    January 29, 2017 9:53am
    - itstricky
      
      Wrong thread Daveo.
      
      Despite saying you’re not snarling against alternatives, here you are again, sarcastically snarling again.
      
      Alternative question -: when do you reckon people should start planning and engineering for the end of oil? Is the effort of making predictions (all be it wrong) now a good thing, or is it at risk the ire of being called an idiot by David Garrett?
      
      Do you stand outside research centres yelling out ‘you won’t cure cancer YET, wait another 100 years and then you might have a shot!” ?
      
      Another alternative question -: when is a good time to decide it might not be such a good thing to pump shitting gases into the atmosphere constantly? Today, tomorrow, or in 200 years from now?
      
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      January 29, 2017 10:34am
      - David Garrett
        
        Tricky: So, as expected, no sensible response …I’ll do it for you: We will have kerosene i.e. oil fueled aircraft when my children are older than I am now…
        
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        January 29, 2017 3:52pm
      - itstricky
        
        I don’t disagree with you there, I just think your point is moot. Predict now;invent now; do what you can now -stop all this gloating snarling bullshit about when, or how, alternatives come about.
        
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        January 29, 2017 7:36pm
- SPC
  
  Trump is an isolationist and has been for decades, it’s a form of economic conservatism – preservation of privilege.
  
  If the world had been ordered the way he would have preferred world poverty would be higher than it is now, not that he would care. His America does not even want health care for all Americans.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:46am
duggledog

So the ‘Doomsday Clock’ has officially been moved thirty seconds closer to midnight upon the establishment of Trump in office.

What a load of codswallop.

If anything, it should go backwards about five minutes. Laissez faire leaders without the courage to firmly deal with reality such as Obama bumbling through his presidency – along with do-nothing Cameron and the clearly mad Merkel and Juncke sow seeds of much destruction, it’s just that it takes a while for it to become apparent.

The US will still be the world’s policeman (it has to, it has so many interests abroad) but in order to do so, passengers such as New Zealand must pay more and be more. Allies must firmly state they are allies and behave like allies. And the US must regain clear economic superiority.

There goes the ‘Chinese century’
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January 29, 2017 8:07am
- SPC
  
  How much of an ally will Trump be? America first sort of precludes solidarity.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:21am
- Gabby
  
  What sort of bent cop has to have economic superiority and takes paying passengers? You may be confusing police with local protection racketeers, duckie. Duh.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:52am
Captain Mainwaring

Wow, two GDs today.
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January 29, 2017 8:09am
- fernglas
  
  Stereo. It’s new, but I predict it will go far. Wait until he does GD in FM, then you’ll see great quality.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:12am
  - holysheet
    
    Speak for yourself. whats wrong with the quality now?
    
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    January 29, 2017 8:49am
    - Gabby
      
      Nobody wants wholly shit in stereo.
      
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      January 29, 2017 8:53am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        I can live with that. HS will most likely provide a considered and balanced point with an erudite post along with others posters on this blog.
        
        Yours on the other hand can be summed up as ‘mad woman’s shit’ (rearrange) and we all ready have one resident mad woman here so there is little space for two.
        
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        January 29, 2017 10:24am
  - Fletch
    
    Wait until he does GD in FM, then you’ll see great quality
    
    Like Magic 91 FM – the country’s first FM station…
    
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    January 29, 2017 11:24am
- Dave_1924
  
  The inmates will be in a frenzy! Be careful ; )
  
  Maybe one could be reserved for Stephie, EAD and Reid…. or reserved for theological debates featuring Kimbo and whoever it is he constantly argues doctrine with? [Just teasing you Kimbo…]
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:32am
  - holysheet
    
    You left out Penny, gobby and ztev
    
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    January 29, 2017 8:50am
    - artemisia
      
      Gabby is quite amusing in an off the wall sort of way, and ztev gives a different POV which can’t be all bad. Penny – no comment.
      
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      January 29, 2017 10:04am
    - Dave_1924
      
      Thou shall NOT say her worships name lest thee summons the beast…
      
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      January 29, 2017 10:17am
      - Paulus Gnome
        
        Too late!
        
        Maybe my post is premature but we all know, deep down, she will be here to haunt us sooner or later.
        
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        January 29, 2017 10:26am
      - sooty
        
        She comes here to annoy the shit here, because nobody goes to her site and even the standard hate her!
        
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        January 29, 2017 11:55am
  - Kimbo
    
    No problems. But just so you know – I’ve moved on from religion to exposing excessive and unnecessary adverbs as my latest obsession 😉
    
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    January 29, 2017 10:55am
- Biscuit
  
  It’s DPF’s idea from the recent US Election, CM.
  
  Apparently you can do wonders for your vote tallies/eyeball counts on weblogs if you give the unters more than one chance to erm participate!
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:06am
duggledog

SPC

Logically he’ll be an ally as much as we want him to be. Don’t forget 5 Eyes. We’re in the group of trusted mates with bonds that go back a long way.

Thank goodness your hero Lange isn’t around to tell him to jam his warships up his arse just to get votes.
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January 29, 2017 8:26am
B.L.Zeebub

Pat Condell telling it like it is, head for your safe space if you can`t handle the Truth,

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=46b_1485575378
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January 29, 2017 8:31am
- Working Class Bigot
  
  “We’re so self-consciously decadently progressive that we’ve chosen to pretend that all cultures are equal – even backward uncivilized ones like yours – that don’t even deserve to share the same planet.”
  
  Good video.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:40am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Pat Condell videos are good; you can show your appreciation by buying him a beer!
    
    Proper bloke.
    
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    January 29, 2017 8:48am
- Gabby
  
  Pat Condom knows what Bleedybumz like to hear.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:55am
- David Garrett
  
  BL: This guy is fantastic! Who is he, exactly?
  
  Meanwhile, we continue to head down the glorious path that “diversity” will lead us to.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:00am
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    PC has been around for quite some time, his blogs (and tweets) are really good. Can be found at any good Internet service provider and he really does do it for the beer! ?
    
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    January 29, 2017 10:29am
  - KevinH
    
    Angelika M: Mssr English you have such a beautiful country with so much open country and so few people..
    Bill E: Ms Merkel you are so correct, we have the best country in the world with many cows and sheep…
    Angelika M: Yes yes more sheep than people. You know of course that here in Germany we are very crowded now with so many new people. We need the help of our friends to deal with these sitation. Your country could help with say 10, 000 people to work on your farms, it would be good for your butter to take 10,000.
    Bill E. ( smiling ) Ms Merkel I could take 20, 000 but the people of New Zealand would not agree with me.We have a lot of butter and lamb that your countrymen would enjoy especially with our New Zealand wine.
    Angelika M: Indeed your wine is excellent, will you take 5000.
    Bill E: Ms Merkel we are interested in engineers and software designers we have English as a second language, your country is blessed with so many talented people.
    Angelika M : Yes but you know it is not them I am talking about. It is the new people that need homes.Will you take 2500.
    Bill E : ( smiling broadly ) That is a lot of butter and lamb you are talking about.This year is election year and my people have been watching Mr Trump.
    Angelika M : 1000.
    Bill E : We are a very small country, 50.
    Angelika M : 500
    Bill E : You drive a hard bargain for our butter Madam.75.
    Angelika M : 250
    Bill E : I can send Helen to help you she is free now
    Angelika M : You are so kind Mssr, Helen would be a great help for me.100.
    Bill E : Yes that sounds good but it would have to be 018.
    Angelika. Thankyou Mr English.My people will talk to your people.
    
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    January 29, 2017 12:28pm
Working Class Bigot

Lots of media hand-wringing already about muzzies being shut out of entering the USA. Cry me a river.

Hey muzzies, start reforming your 7th century cult of conquest first.
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January 29, 2017 8:35am
- SPC
  
  Trump was trying to block refugees and otherwise travel from 7 nations but did not exempt travel to or entry into the USA of those with Green Cards (permanent residents) – who are being also being banned from flights or entry at US airports.
  
  Maybe he will twitter a clarification … .
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:47am
  - SPC
    
    “No one is really sure whether a green card holder from these seven countries can return to the US now. It’s fairly clear that an H-1B visa holder can’t,” Benach said. The H-1B lets US companies employ graduate-level workers from other countries in technical occupations such as technology, engineering and science.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11790794
    
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    January 29, 2017 9:10am
  - Gabby
    
    He’s fine with Saudi/Paki travel too. ISIS recruit training continues.
    
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    January 29, 2017 10:15am
- Huevon
  
  Love Trump. Muslims are on notice. We are on the path to peace.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:17am
  - Gabby
    
    Not Saudi/Paki muslims. They’re special.
    
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    January 29, 2017 10:16am
- Nermal
  
  And how many of those countries permit Israeli citizens?
  
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  January 29, 2017 2:27pm
Viking2

luvely day in the Bay.
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January 29, 2017 8:35am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  We’ll be hitting 30 deg C today….
  No wind, not a cloud in sight.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:42am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Think of the rest of us Maggy. First windless day yesterday in the Hutt Vally for a couple of weeks and it got up to a balmy 22.
    Now, the northerly’s back and looks like staying around until at least Thursday.
    
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    January 29, 2017 8:49am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Think of the rest of us
      
      I’d rather not.
      
      I visited Wellington for a few days last year…it was wet, cold and windy. I do not intend returning.
      
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      January 29, 2017 9:04am
      - Viking2
        
        Yep that’s why I don’t live there. only 18 today and much the same for the test of the week.
        Here up to 26-7 for this week.
        
        Gisbourne 32 on Tuesday and more later during the week.
        
        http://www.weatherwatch.co.nz/weather-forecasts/gisborne
        
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        January 29, 2017 9:55am
    - Lance
      
      Wow
      Sounds like you have been sentenced to live in the Hutt Valley.
      Must have been a heinous crime?
      
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      January 29, 2017 10:59am
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        It has its advantages.
        And it’s not West Auckland.
        
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        January 29, 2017 11:57am
EAD

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Good Morning General Debaters. Don’t know know what everyone else did but I decided to remember holocaust day by lighting a candle in memory of the 35 million Russians killed by the Bolsheviks, the 3 million Armenians killed by the (((Young Turks))) and the three and a half million Indian peasants who starved to death in Bengal in 1943, when the Japanese invaded Burma and cut the rice supply.

I also celebrated by reading the ~~fairy~~tales of some of the so-called National Socialist “Holocaust” survivors who have hijacked this day as their own despite many counter revisionists:

https://katana17.wordpress.com/2017/01/28/jan-27-international-day-of-commemoration-in-honor-of-holocaust-revisionists/

Moshe Peer – Gassed six times by the Nazis.

William Lowenberg – had a magic thirst-quenching pebble, did not drink water and survived on his saliva for 3 years.

Fania Wedro – lived in forest for almost 2 years.

Holo circuit star David Faber – survived 8 concentration camps.

Katalin Weinberger – saved her sister’s life by burying her for 30 days with a pipe sticking up through soil to breathe.

Wilhelm Brasse – photographed the horrors of Auschwitz, film survived burning in oven because it was flameproof.
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Leo Bretholz – escaped Nazis 7 times, all over Europe, swam rivers, climbed Alps, etc.

Kazimir Tafilin – escaped Auschwitz by climing crematorium chimney.

Judith Perlaki – Germans tied women’s legs together to stop them having babies.

Murray Goldfinger – miraculously survived when “bullet bounced off his skull”.

Yankel Wiernik – Babies torn in half, woman leaps 10 ft barbed-wire fence, guards nail inmates’ ears to walls, jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis.

Testimony from the Eichmann Trial by Leon Wells – Dug up and burned bodies, used bone-grinding machine, ate lunch on top of corpses

Irene Zisblatt’s incredible Holocaust tale- Ate and retrieved diamonds from feces, had 2 post-sterilization children, weighed 40 lbs when liberated

Rivka Yosselevska’s absurd Holocaust fable – Escaped biting jew corpses, witnessed geysers of blood

Arnold Friedman’s tale – Mengele liked to gas short jews, let tall ones live

Abe Price’s holofable – Survived 5 straight days without water; “For three years, didn’t see a child under 16 or an adult older than 40” at Auschwitz

Abraham Landau – “survived” 14 death camps, all 95 members of his family holocausted.

Auschwitz genocide via electric conveyor belts

Frida Herskovits’ incredible Holocaust™ tale: German shepherds tear baby out of mother’s womb, human skin used to make lampshades and picture frames

Alicia Appleman-Jurman – survived typhoid, and two firing squads, lived in woods.

NY Jews play cards and tell Holohoax stories – Morris Hubert says a jew was thrown into a cage with a bear every day at Buchenwald

Yanina Cywinska’s Holocaust tale-“Nazis paraded around briefcases and lamps made of human skin while washing their bodies with soap from Jewish bone”

Jewish Soviet Psych Warfare Propagandist Vasily Grossman: “The Hell of Treblinka” – 3 milion exterminated, Jews roasted on giant outdoor hibachis

Eva Olsson’s ludicrous Holohoax tale – “Gas chambers” and “Five children at a time burned alive in crematoriums” at Bergen-Belsen

Susan Cernyak-Spatz’s tale – Ate “sawdust salami”, jews went to gas chambers “willingly”, “whole German nation clothed by clothing from dead jews”

Max Globan’s Holocaust story – “We ate lunch on top of dead bodies” – Saw “scratch marks of fingernails in concrete wall of gas chamber”

Holohoaxer “survivor” Fred Schiefler speaks to Arizona high schoolers – Saw the “jew soap”, says “3-4 thousand jews gassed from shower heads in 15-20 minutes”

Eva Mozes Kor’s sad Holohoax story – saw two twins sewn together by Dr. Mengele

Thomas Blatt – at Sobibor “250,000 people roasted on huge pyres made from iron rails”.
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January 29, 2017 8:45am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  The sicko is outdoing himself.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:53am
- Southern Raider
  
  DPF are you going to really allow this bile on your blog.
  
  EAD promoting his Nazi beliefs is bad enough, but pissing on 6 milllion Jewish men, women and children who were massacred?
  
  EAD have you ever been to a concentration camp and seen the piles of small children’s shoes piled up. You are despicable
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:53am
  - EAD
    
    Israel officially attested to 1,092,000 survivors living in Israel in 2003. Extrapolating across all countries way back to 1945 implies at least 5-6 million survivors then, if not many more.
    
    At the same time, the official propaganda report for the death toll among jews in Europe was that “two in three perished”: thus of 9.5 million jews in pre-war Europe, 6 million were said to be killed by 1945.
    
    Thus Israel attested to at least as many survivors as alleged “victims”.
    
    In addition the number of “victims” does not even take into account the fact many of “Germany’s jews” had fled before the outbreak of war while hundreds of thousands more jews continued their flight from Western Europe during the first half of the war to Palestine, the US & Great Britain among other destinations, with many also making their way to Russia where they no doubt participated in the Bolshevik terror
    
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    January 29, 2017 9:23am
    - mikenmild
      
      Points Refuted a Thousand Times = PRATT
      
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      January 29, 2017 9:31am
    - Simon
      
      EAD, Why do you accept the deaths that happened in Russia during communism and in Ottoman Empire during WW1?
      
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      January 29, 2017 9:36am
      - mikenmild
        
        Coz he thinks he can blames those on the Jews.
        
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        January 29, 2017 10:29am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    I couldn’t agree more Southern Raider. Having visited the Holocaust Museum in Prague in 2015 and the nearby Terezin concentration camp, I have no difficulty whatsoever in accepting the historical account of the massacre of Jews by Germany.
    
    I too am surprised that DPF tolerates EAD’s attempts to rewrite history. Free speech is one thing, but what has been posted today is repulsive to most normal-thinking people.
    
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    January 29, 2017 12:35pm
- itstricky
  
  Sigh.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:00am
  - mikenmild
    
    Nazi scum gotta be Nazi scum…
    
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    January 29, 2017 9:06am
- SPC
  
  At a time of nationalism against the other revivalism, it is little wonder a certain sort are encouraged to think their time has come again.
  
  While other nationalists will virtue signal their brand by downticking his singular extreme, they will stand and applaud his words when they reflect their own thoughts on us vs another “ME region sourced culture”.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:17am
- Flash
  
  EAD – this is the biggest Virtue Signal that I have ever seen.
  Most of us remember the victims of brutality in quiet reflective moments of remembrance when we realise how lucky we are to live our lives peacefully, and that we must try to preserve it, against the many outside pressures we face.
  We cannot undo the past, but we can actively, each of us in our small way remember and try to influence against repetition.
  It’s an impressive list but for me tl;dr
  
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  January 29, 2017 10:02am
Stars And Stripes

Just to show how socially refined I am I took the wife to the Winery Tour at the Bowl of Brooklands last night.
Pretty disappointing crowd given it was probably the finest night we have had this year.
Great concert though with a good performance from Brooke Fraser.
To the chick he invaded the stage near the end in the bikini you should not have as you were fat and rather ugly and the to the guy and girl in front of us who went at it like rabbits as soon as it got dark was she actually legal?.
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January 29, 2017 8:51am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “the guy and girl in front of us who went at it like rabbits as soon as it got dark ”
  
  Taranaki culture on display eh?
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:55am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Are you sure they weren’t cousins?
    
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    January 29, 2017 9:42am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      I think I heard them mention Waitara at some stage so probably brother and sister I think.
      
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      January 29, 2017 9:50am
Viking2

I see France and Germany are now “teaming up” to battle Trump.
What a fucking great laugh.
The two countries that for several centuries have attacked Russia repeatedly.
May hasn’t got that yet because her lot had a couple of goes as well.
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January 29, 2017 8:52am
- SPC
  
  Er Napoleon and Hitler were trying to conquer all of Europe, Russia was just the last phase in their plan.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:56am
  - Viking2
    
    Correct but none the less they invaded Russia a number of times while Russia never invaded them until the end of WW2.
    
    Why are we demonizing Russia.
    Interesting that many years ago Bob Jones went to Russia and made the point that those citizens didn’t want wars anymore than Kiwi’s. In one of his books.
    
    I f the truth be known many Scandinavians and viking etc like myself have Russian ancestry.
    Will know soon.
    
    https://order.ancestry.com.au/ng/signup/?offer_id=O-24505&rtype=85&o_iid=74771&o_lid=74771&o_sch=Web+Property#/review/
    
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    January 29, 2017 10:38am
    - SPC
      
      Splish, splash back – maybe.
      
      A bit of R 1 Y male chromosome amongst Scandinavians (Slavs have this Y male chromosome as well), depends how far back this is in common.
      
      Varangians went down to/traded down to the Black Sea. They would have inter-married the local women (7 daughters of eve territory).
      
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      January 29, 2017 10:49am
    - SPC
      
      The Russians (GD of Moscow) expanded both west and eastward. Western boundary issues with Lithuania/Poland/Ukraine and Peter the Great era struggle for control of the Baltic (including Scandinavians at times).
      
      More recently issues were their borders with the Germans (each occupying part of Poland and at one point part of a European wide alliance to defeat a totally isolated Prussia) and to the south siding with other Slavs against the Ottoman empire. This while expanding through the Caucasus towards Iran and across to the Pacific (causing some paranoia to the British empire – Crimean war etc).
      
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      January 29, 2017 10:57am
      - Viking2
        
        The poms paranoia was driven by the frogs and the new advent of the printing press which printed papers for the masses. It was full of misinformation just like today. ( planted by the frogs.)
        
        I see today that the stupid poms have now done a deal to supply that bastard in Turkey with fighter planes.
        
        Russia will hold onto the /c/rimea and its bits in the Ukraine just to keep its commerce alive. Same reason it beat the crap out of the poms in the Crimean war.
        Interesting history that war.
        War was promoted by the new “Press” which was used ny the froggie toadies to pressure the govt. of the day to attack the Crimea.
        First time rifles were used. Developed by the Russians and Chinese. Meant that hand to hand combat was changed to long distance shooting.
        Also meant that men were creuly injured. Before with the muskets etc the ball either killed you by hitting a vulnerable place or lodged under the skin on muscle where it would either heal or you died from infection. Bullets changed all that and did damage to whatever place they hit by smashing bones causing a lot more trauma and of course killing many more and the enemy didn’t have to get close to do the killing.
        
        First war that a telegraph was used. Installed by the Frogs from France up to the Bosphorous.
        
        The war caused Florence Nightingale, who arrived back from the East to all the tales of horror and proceeded to get others organized to go to Crimea to tend the wounded.
        
        The Victoria Cross is made from the metal of a cannon captured at Sebastipol. Up until several years ago that was assumed to be of Russian manufacture. Analysis of the metal has shown it to be of Chinese origin.
        The “recruits” were generally poor people who joined for a small sum and were sent to the war with no training and no equipment much, no warm clothes and little idea of what to do.
        They were slaughtered by the Russians with their rifles.
        
        This led to the queen ruling that the Army had to be full time, paid and trained. Unfortunately the landed gentry who were always going to be in charge didn’t take to that idea with the result that by the time the First ww came along things were not a lot better, hence Gallipoli and more.
        
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        January 29, 2017 8:41pm
    - Ed Snack
      
      Incorrect, Russian domination of Poland (definitely part of Europe) goes back a long way. Similarly Russian invasion and subjugation of Finland and the Baltic States started before Napoleon and continued after him. Russian interference in the Balkans is also of long standing.
      
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      January 30, 2017 9:58am
- Gabby
  
  Pretty sure Chump isn’t a russkie.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:01am
  - Komata
    
    Ummm, Gabby, after reading the posts that you have so far written this morning, I have to ask: you DO speak English don’t you?
    
    (Or are you a product of the post ‘Tomorrow’s Schools’ NZ Education system?)
    
    Thank you.
    
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    January 29, 2017 9:39am
    - Gabby
      
      Can you read English?
      
      You’re welcome. Kumbaya.
      
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      January 29, 2017 10:18am
      - Komata
        
        Yes Gabby, I CAN ‘read English’; just not YOUR version of it.
        
        As I asked: Are you a product of the ‘Tomorrow’s Schools’ method of teaching?
        
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        January 29, 2017 2:58pm
Southern Raider

And this is Trumps problem.

He is actually doing a good job, but the media can pull out fringe lunatics like EAD as typical examples of his supporters
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January 29, 2017 8:55am
Manolo

Progressive Europe’s response:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/europe-must-firm-response-trump-hollande-142646979.html

The EU’s traditional power couple France and Germany expressed mounting alarm Saturday at key decisions by US President Donald Trump in his first week in office, saying they raised many issues of concern.

French President Francois Hollande vowed a “firm” response to a growing list of pronouncements by the maverick tycoon, including his encouragement for Brexit and suspension of all refugee arrivals.
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January 29, 2017 8:56am
- Viking2
  
  They are going to do what.
  Trump removes funds from Nato and the UN and they are stuffed. They will have to spend their own money defending themselves.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:43pm
cmm

Dotcom plots political return/comeback: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11790650

Return/comeback? To return or come back you must have been somewhere before.

The Herald is truely deluded if they ever think Dotcom got somewhere.

The bit I don’t understand is how the bugger can still be here a whole election later.

All I can think is that National are deliberately dragging the chain because Dotcom is damaging to the lefties.
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January 29, 2017 9:28am
- Happychappy
  
  It looks like the Judicial system favours the perpetrator now days and it’s not only Dot Com you also have the not so bright Penny.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:36am
  - sooty
    
    Dear dot con. I do not use twitter, so l will reply here. I think that you will not get citizenship because you fail the test of good character. Now fuck off and answer the charges against you. Thank you.
    
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    January 29, 2017 2:26pm
    - UrbanNeocolonialist
      
      And wasn’t there also a failure to declare some convictions for speeding on his residency application?
      
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      January 29, 2017 10:15pm
Happychappy

Has Liverpool been pulled back to reality after their shocking January results or is it just a blip in their 2017 season.
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January 29, 2017 9:30am
- SPC
  
  Blood in the water, Liverpool may slip out of the top 4, Manchester is loving it.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:41am
- CrazyIvan
  
  I’m not confident they can turn this around; the lack of a class striker like Costa or Ibrahimovic, and holes in their defence is not boding well.
  
  The best I can hope for is that they still finish above Spurs, my Dad’s team!
  
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  January 29, 2017 10:19am
- Dave_1924
  
  People Happychappy. the only team that hasn’t had one in the last 3 months is Chelski. And they had a horror start to the season.
  
  We will see if its a genuine problem come Wednesday when Chelski visit Anfield in the league…
  
  C’mon you Redmen…
  
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  January 29, 2017 10:22am
tranquil

Great video here – “Tyranny – one tiny step at a time – How ideology, group identity & collective guilt destroy societies.”

We have seen this with the West’s loss of free speech where even telling the nasty truth about Islam can get you hauled before the courts in the UK and Europe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSDClxjcR-4
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January 29, 2017 9:44am
- SPC
  
  It’s a strange world at the moment.
  
  I am for free speech, including informed insult of Islam (Judaism and Christendom). Stuff the blasphemy laws of the three religious groups, being sneaked in via hate speech laws, true liberals value our freedoms.
  
  I thought Blair was stupid in allowing (Moslem) sectarian takeover of community (tax funded) schools (trying to bribe Moslems to vote Labour) in the UK and to allow East Europeans to migrate into the UK on joining the EU (other nations applied their right to a 10 year freeze). And I thought Merkel totally insane in unilaterally abandoning EU asylum policy to take in a million “migrants” (you know who rules the EU when they did such a thing and them insist other nations take their share of this million or pay them money). The nationalist backlash is what these two more than any others leave as their legacy.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:59am
Captain Mainwaring

Another driver dead after going through a red light while fleeing cops in South Auckland.
The gene pool benefits yet again.
Fortunately the people in the other car suffered only moderate injuries.
Now, the inevitable hand-wringing enquiry will take place.
Why? It’s bloody obvious what happened and no cops should be hung out to dry.
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January 29, 2017 10:01am
dime

Wonder what gifts the Don has in store for me today.

What an amazing president.

The US economy is about to go nuts. The people are going to get a lot richer. The world a lot safer.

A golden age is upon us
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January 29, 2017 10:01am
- SPC
  
  He walks on a sea of flattery, and when anyone notices his feet get wet, there is a meltdown of epic proportions from his legion of snowflakes – following his lead of course.
  
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  January 29, 2017 10:19am
  - itstricky
    
    It’s not so much the epic meltdowns, it’s the topic of the epic meltdowns.
    
    You mean mine wasn’t the biggest inauguration in 100 years? I order a bigly number of people with a bigly amount of money to research this IMMEDIATELY. And while you’re at it, see if the CIA can do anything about what Arnie’s doing to The Apprentice!
    
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    January 29, 2017 10:52am
- gump
  
  A golden age is upon us?
  
  That’s an easy mistake to make. It’s actually a golden shower…
  
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  January 29, 2017 10:37am
  - itstricky
    
    A golden shower in a golden tower.
    
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    January 29, 2017 10:50am
- Lance
  
  I have generally made it no secret I disapprove of Trump
  
  HOWEVER ……….
  
  Big thumbs up for the Don when he said the US should take in Syrian Christian refugees ahead of Muslim refugees.
  These people have been horrendously persecuted of recent and no-one seems to give a shit.
  Only reported on Prime, not TV1 news.. hemm
  
  Do more good stuff like this Don and less silly untempered tweets and I MIGHT come around.
  We shall see.
  
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  January 29, 2017 11:10am
  - SPC
    
    You could argue the same for Iraqi Christians and those in Egypt and Pakistan.
    
    President Obama made a mistake not taking in Iraqi Christians in as refugees because they were not persecuted by the US backed government (Islamists, whether IS or Shia militias were the ones making it unsafe etc).
    
    There has been a reluctance for western nations
    to discriminate in favour of those more likely to be successfully integrated (even where they were the most unsafe in refugee camps), another case where liberals brought their political correctness into disrepute.
    
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    January 29, 2017 12:35pm
- Fletch
  
  It’s amazing so far. Have actually been able to breathe out over the last week. A sigh of relief.
  
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  January 29, 2017 11:27am
  - Kimbo
    
    In line with my question to you a few days ago, about the satisfaction you are drawing from the Trump presidency (“Obamacare – You’re fired!” is next), I think Rodney Hide has your number when he wrote in today’s NZ Herald:
    
    It’s no wonder his opponents are angry. Trump is again proving them wrong. It’s the best entertainment ever and shows every sign of just getting better. It’s reality TV with a difference: it’s real.
    
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11789178#28579910
    
    My question is, are you over-investing emotionally? 😉
    
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    January 29, 2017 12:41pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  While I have a soft spot for some of the sacred cows Trump appears to be targetting (and his seemingly harder approach to foreign policy), I cannot see how imposing tariffs as he is suggesting can do anything but hurt the US economy (raising prices to consumers and pumping inflation).
  
  It is a hell of a gamble. Economists mostly expect it to hurt the US economy, and impacts are likely to be somewhere between slightly worse and catastrophic (possibly kicking off next GFC?). We shall see but I am not optimistic.
  
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  January 29, 2017 10:22pm
Albert_Ross

A couple of my friends have posted this on my facebook, concerning an incident in Argentina where people on a beach (called “tourists”, although it’s not clear how they were known not to be locals) pulled a baby dolphin out of the water and took selfies with it while it died.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/news/article.cfm?c_id=7&objectid=11790139

Comments are of course and rightly appalled and condemnatory, but what is interesting is how many of them assume this incident took place in New Zealand. Admittedly you have to read the article with some care to find that it didn’t, but do people really imagine it a likely scenario, that such a thing could happen in a public place in New Zealand?
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January 29, 2017 11:01am
- Gabby
  
  Dairy workers on a day at the beach think it’s not a bobby calf but let’s have a laugh. I can imagine it.
  
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  January 29, 2017 1:39pm
EAD

https://jan27.org/

abridged:

Right at the very spot that the story of 6 million murdered Jews is being told today and every day, these plaques tell the real story. Up until 1990, the plaque on the left was in place, in several languages, in front of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Monument at the Poland memorial, claiming that four million people were killed here “by nazi murderers” in the five years between 1940 and 1945.

But in 1990 (corresponding with the fall of the Soviet Union) the number was reduced to 1.5 million, with no explanation, and the plaque on the right replaced the original plaque. That’s 2.5 million less murdered humans! How could the historians and managers of the memorial site have been so wrong for 45 years? What made them “re-check” and suddenly “discover” (rather admit) their error? Only the growing body of critical, scholarly and scientific writings that demonstrated the impossibility of four million people being murdered in “gas chambers” and then cremated to ashes at Birkenau.

The answer to why the 4 million figure was used in the first place is that it was deemed necessary at the 1946 Nuremberg Tribunal as a support and justification for the fantastic 6 million total number of Jews “murdered.” Who demanded the 6 million number? You should be able to answer that yourself.

But more, the official Auschwitz-Birkenau death number now stands even lower at 1.1 million. There are holocaust historians in good standing who have reduced it to 900,000 and even 700,000. How much lower will it go?

This is just one example of the many changes in the holocaust story that the official establishment has been forced to make due to the critical scrutiny and investigation (at great risk to their own life and liberty) of those we call Revisionists. The work of Revisionism is ongoing; the resistance to it is deeply entrenched. Therefore our commemoration honors the brave Revisionists who have introduced sanity to what began as a wildly improbable account based entirely on wartime atrocity propaganda. With this annual commemoration we are …

CALLING FOR A RETURN TO SANITY
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January 29, 2017 11:13am
slightlyrighty

Many people are comparing Trump to Hitler.

This is incorrect, as I shall illustrate.

Hitler railed against a global population of 16 million Jews.

Trump is railing against 1.6 Billion Muslims.
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January 29, 2017 11:14am
- Kimbo
  
  Excuse me if I’m misunderstanding your sarcasm, but I don’t like Trump, nor his politics, nor his dog-whistling. But that comparison is just…wrong.
  
  I don’t agree with Trump’s policies, but it’s his country, and it is not racist to raise issues of illegal immigration and domestic acts of terrorism as matters of concern, including at an election.
  
  The most stupid statement I heard Hilary Clinton make: “terrorism has nothing to do with Islam”. Well, that’s not those who shout ‘Alluhu Akbar’ while perpetrating murder, mayhem and outrage think! No wonder she lost.
  
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  January 29, 2017 11:21am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Kimbo. I have no doubt that the US will prevail, and we will not have a larger and better armed Nazi Germany.
    
    There are a number of US citizens who will assault muslims, because they are Muslim. There are a number of US Citizens who will deface mosques, of even burn them down, as happened in Texas the other day, but these people are a minority.
    
    The problem is that within the muslim community there are those who will point to the Actions of the US president, and the actions of an extreme minority, and use that as the most potent recruitment tool.
    
    If you are a young muslim citizen in the US, and you see your president enact what he has just enacted, and you see muslims attacked, and your places of worship destroyed, ask yourself how quickly such a person could be radicalised in the US.
    
    I have faith that there are enough good people in the US to stop this from happening, but all Trump is doing, is empowering the nutters. Ask yourself, “what next?”.
    
    Already Google is recalling it’s staff from overseas. They may well look at relocating their entire business offshore. Trump wishes to create jobs, when these measures may end up moving them to another country where the efforts of all people are valued, regardless of faith.
    
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    January 29, 2017 11:42am
    - Kimbo
      
      The problem is that within the muslim community there are those who will point to the Actions of the US president, and the actions of an extreme minority, and use that as the most potent recruitment tool.
      
      But they will anyway. If America does something she is blamed. If she does nothing she is blamed. Other than intervening/assisting with the coup in Persia in the early 1950s, and the invasion of Iraq in 2003, I’m failing to think of any US intervention that you could point to in the Middle East and say, “yeah, that was wrong/naked self-interest, and it significantly changed things”. Even the effect of Truman’s recognition of the state of Israel in 1948 is exaggerated – Zionism was a fact, as was a Jewish state.
      
      Look, Trump has just screwed our nation over when it comes to trade by pulling out of the TPP. Do we declare war on the US, boycott and embargo, denounce and fume? No. For sensible people. life goes on. Countries go about their business. If idiots are stupid enough to join the likes of ISIS courtesy of Trump’s policies, and the apocalyptic fantasy that the US is the prime cause of all the region’s troubles then they are not the sort of people he should try and placate in the first place. Obama’s policies didn’t change their disposition, indeed ISIS occurred on his watch!
      
      In that sense, Trump has it right when he says “America First”.
      
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      January 29, 2017 11:51am
    - Fletch
      
      The problem is that within the muslim community there are those who will point to the Actions of the US president, and the actions of an extreme minority, and use that as the most potent recruitment tool.
      
      Tucker Carlson argues this exact point with migration advocate Kevin Appleby. As he suggests, you can’t really use the argument that we should let more migrants in because then they’ll hate the U.S and there will be more terrorism.
      
      “You’re basically saying that we have to let more people in or else we’ll be hated more by Islamic extremists…” He makes the point that ISIS already hates us, and how can they hate us more?
      
      https://youtu.be/fvvPt2knwGs?t=2m
      
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      January 29, 2017 12:31pm
  - Komata
    
    Kimbo
    
    But, but Hilary didn’t hear those words PERSONALLY and her family weren’t involved or anywhere near, so therefore they weren’t said…
    
    (And her sychophants all agreed that that was correct).
    
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    January 29, 2017 5:33pm
- Fletch
  
  “The situation in our country is pretty much nothing like that in Germany at the time of Hitler’s rise to power. People need to stop saying that it is. They’re needlessly scaring themselves and others, and they’re also further corroding our already divisive politics by claiming that our situation is “just like” the rise of Nazi Germany.
  Do we need to be vigilant and guard our freedoms? Yes, now more than ever. But please, understand the real historical circumstances which allowed someone like Hitler and a party like the Nazis to take total control of a state. Understand it, learn from it, and do not make panicky false analogies.”
  
  http://darwincatholic.blogspot.co.nz/2016/11/bad-historical-analogies-us-is-not.html?m=1
  
  He goes on to give the reasons why in a little history lesson.
  
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  January 29, 2017 11:28am
Nostradamus

An announcement at The Standard:

For the first time ever, the Labour Party and the Green Party are holding a joint State of the Nation event.

Green Party Co-leader Metiria Turei and Labour Leader Andrew Little will speak about their priorities for the year, and will discuss the social and economic challenges and opportunities facing the country and present a vision of the stable, responsible, alternative the parties will offer New Zealand.

This event is open to all – so please join us!

It’s 2pm today – Lprent will be there:

I will go. Will need the break from coding about then.

It’s a hard life being a sys-op – all that coding!

Mind you, if I were looking for a break from work, I wouldn’t be turning up to the Metiria/Andrew (freak)show.
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January 29, 2017 11:41am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Shaw is standing well clear of this charade because he knows when it all blows up in their faces the tellytubby will carry the can and he will be in charge on his own.
  
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  January 29, 2017 12:28pm
- Gabby
  
  You should have a nosy. That wouldn’t be dumbarsed.
  
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  January 29, 2017 1:42pm
- Happychappy
  
  It was all about themselves one on having cancer and the other About the rape comments John Key made in Parliament over a year ago.
  
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  January 29, 2017 3:39pm
Captain Mainwaring

Looks like that extremely offensive comment this morning by EAD has been completely removed (not just hidden), along with the responses to it.
It’s as though it was never there.
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January 29, 2017 12:46pm
- mikenmild
  
  I was wondering where that thread had gone, too. In general, I don’t think it is helpful if DPF simply removes stuff without explanation (if that’s what actually happened).
  
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  January 29, 2017 12:50pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Mikenmild:
    
    My understanding is that after a comment is reported 5 times it’s removed from the thread and goes into moderation.
    
    http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/09/an_easier_way_to_report_comments.html
    
    I didn’t see the original comment. What was the issue?
    
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    January 29, 2017 1:03pm
    - Kimbo
      
      EAD’s favourite broken record – Holocaust Denial’s 20 greatest hits
      
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      January 29, 2017 1:08pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        I’m probably at a disadvantage, as I didn’t see the original comment.
        
        Was it as offensive as Stephieboy’s hyperlink to pornographic images, or Kea’s hyperlink to a video clip of four women being executed and dismembered (on the basis of some tenuous point that Kea wanted to make about religion)? DPF issued strikes to Stephieboy and Kea for those indiscretions.
        
        I doubt I’ll ever see anything as offensive as what Kea posted.
        
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        January 29, 2017 1:16pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Not visually offensive, no.
        
        Satirising the specific alleged accounts of holocaust victims, with the implication all accounts are bogus.
        
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        January 29, 2017 1:19pm
      - EAD
        
        Yeah that is a pretty fair summary Kimbo. Apologies if I caused an offence.
        
        I won’t post the list again of individuals accounts but they can be found here where people can make their own judgement:
        
        http://balder.org/judea/The-Most-Fantastic-Holocaust-Survivor-Stories-Jewish-Soap-Lampshades-Fertilizer-Mengele-Miracles.php
        
        Here is the context the author (and myself) has for listing the examples: (highlighting mine)
        
        Please remember when you skim through this long list and read individual stories, that although most of this may appear completely outrageous, impossible and laughable, these stories and allegations were presented dead serious as nothing but the truth.
        
        These stories were and are still being used to defame the German people and their ancestors, to extort sympathy, cash and even submarines for the further glory of the state of Israel.
        
        The suffering of many Jewish, and many more other non Jewish people during WWII was real. But these stories are part of a criminal enterprise, and are being used for ulterior purposes such as special rights for Jews, legislation against free historical research, persecution of dissident writers, the continuing oppression of the Palestinian people, falsification of history, propaganda for mass immigration, denationalization and globalization, and the deliberate brainwashing of school children in European and other western countries.
        
        Many of the subjects mentioned below have suffered from persecution or inprisonment. But despite that they are criminals themselves for spreading all these evil stories. Some of these lies led to the torture and execution of German prisoners of war, and the relentless persecution of thousands of people whose only crime was that they were enrolled in the German army, and happened to have been near places were bad things alledgedly went on.
        
        These stories are not innocent, and the enormous number and variation of them surpasses those about any other historical account. Jews are generally gifted people.
        
        Fortunately we can’t get arrested in NZ (yet) for discussing this subject unlike in 18 countries where the subject is verboten so I will continue to discuss in spite of the hysteria from the likes of Milkmaid and others who have been brainwashed to lose their faculties whenever this historical event is discussed in any way but the approved manner.
        
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        January 29, 2017 7:06pm
      - BeeSting
        
        Holocaust Memorial Day
        
        The Only Day no one will actually discuss
        the various Holocausts and yes there was more
        than One.
        
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        January 29, 2017 9:44pm
  - RichardX
    
    I’m guessing fatherhood has given DPF new instant priorities which means we may see some delayed, possibly distracted, moderation. This would be completely understandable under the circumstances
    
    Reid’s little episode of claiming he was hacked rather than banned maybe one example of such moderation but it did highlight the flaws in how Reid reaches his understanding of how the world works
    
    He was banned for offensive language and so couldn’t log in to Kiwiblog
    He concluded his lack of access was due to hacking
    There was no evidence for this conclusion other than he could not log in to Kiwiblog
    He was relying on faulty and incomplete information. He had the opportunity to use the Kiwiblog comments page to confirm the information but chose willful ignorance.
    I am willing to bet that Reid has been made aware of the reality of the situation, possibly by DPF, and so will not be commenting before his ban is over on 1st Feb using either of his log ins.
    
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    January 29, 2017 7:57pm
BeeSting

that’s of this is more up your alley

the First Book to use the Term Final Solution

About the Extermination of the German Race

https://archive.org/details/GermanyMustPerish

Free to Ready and Download the pdf

It is now the UN’s and EU’s Manual for Europe
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January 29, 2017 1:18pm
Manolo

Even our exiled multiculturalist would agree:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/28/majority-of-worlds-muslims-untouched-by-trump-visa-ban/
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January 29, 2017 1:28pm
- BeeSting
  
  ABSOLUTELY IF THEY WANT TO SEND
  A JIHADIST ANYWHERE
  
  THEY HAVE NZ AND AUS
  
  THEY ARE AS THICK AS PIG POO
  
  THEY LET EM IN GIVE THEM WELFARE TO BREED AND WONDER WHY THEY WANT TO
  
  KILL them?
  
  IT IS CALLED
  
  MULTI-CULTISM
  
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  January 29, 2017 1:53pm
Fletch

Someone posted on my Facebook feed that the U.S has a history of banning – not just Trump…

Just last year Obama suddenly banned refugees from the earthquake ravaged nation of Haiti, and back in 2011 he banned people from Iraq from entering the USA for six months. Bill Clinton issued six immigrant bans; George W. Bush six immigrant bans; and former President Ronald Reagan four, and Carter banned Iranians
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January 29, 2017 1:40pm
Happychappy

Well without being nasty or criticising the illness of cancer I would hope Andrew Little has not appealed for the sympathy vote by his trying to tie his having cancer to his state of the Nation speech today. His speech today was much of the same apart from trying to slur Bill English and his ability to lead this Country as Prime Minister. I believe he has open the door for some serious criticism from his remarks about the National leader and PM as he is not what many people in this Country would call a Leader in waiting. another tosser following in the footsteps of their last four pretenders.
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January 29, 2017 3:20pm
- Nostradamus
  
  The speeches have received a mixed reception at The Standard. Many people seem to be upset about live-streaming issues. Thank goodness Sam C was there to cheer them up:
  
  Mate, you are hilarious. Because most of NZ don’t have anything better to do on a Sunday that stream an irrelevant event, right?
  
  An “irrelevant event” indeed!
  
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  January 29, 2017 4:57pm
  - Gabby
    
    That Sam C’s a right card an no mistyke. A proper little nosy dumbarse.
    
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    January 29, 2017 6:22pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Oh look – a stalker-troll who adds nothing constructive to the discussion and wants to call me nasty names (for the second time on this thread).
      
      Fuck off Gabby.
      
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      January 29, 2017 6:27pm
- Gabby
  
  You missed him saying Bingles was a competent bean counter, chappy. That was crappy cos Bingles counts beans that aren’t there. Then it turns out there’s not bean a surplus after all. And don’t you worry about cancer chappy, you’ll prolly give yourself a stroke first.
  
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  January 29, 2017 6:21pm
Manolo

Celebrities’ outrage:
http://www.thewrap.com/hollywood-slams-donald-trump-muslim-ban/

Hollywood is fuming over Donald Trump’s executive order late Friday to ban citizens from seven mostly Muslim countries from entering the U.S. for 90 days — and refugees for 120 days.
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January 29, 2017 3:25pm
- jonar
  
  The courts aren’t too keen on it either.
  
  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/court-blocks-trump-refugee-ban_us_588d4b53e4b0b065cbbc6a6f?
  
  Late Saturday, a federal judge in Brooklyn temporarily halted parts of President Donald Trump’s sweeping executive order that aimed to block the entry of Syrian refugees and impose a de facto ban on travelers coming from several Muslim-majority countries.
  
  “The petitioners have a strong likelihood of success in establishing that the removal of the petitioners and others similarly situated violates the rights to Due Process and Equal Protection guaranteed by the United States Constitution,” U.S. District Judge Ann Donnelly of the Eastern District of New York wrote in her order.
  
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  January 29, 2017 4:49pm
Fletch

Grrr, internet is still intermittent here after Spark’s big outtage today.
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January 29, 2017 3:37pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Haven’t dealt with Telecom/Spark for ten years. Haven’t had a problem since.
  
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  January 29, 2017 4:06pm
waikatogirl

Anyone else noticed Sparks cellphone coverage has been down for hours? I understand the outage also affects landlines. I noticed before 11am and my cell still says No Service.

Edit. Internet working fine here Fletch, just my cell phone not working, hubby’s newer version phone working fine all day!
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January 29, 2017 4:04pm
Inandout

Angry Andy, the temporary leader of the Labour Opposition, is critical of Trump for putting a temporary hold on jihadi immigrants. He says he will not see these people displaced if he is in government. That is code for ‘we will open the gates to them’.
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January 29, 2017 4:15pm
- sooty
  
  The word is # IF #. Does not look like thats going to happen with Jacinda about to be made deputy leader, some time soon and Helen coming back.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:06pm
nasska

Had a guts full of Adblock blockers? If you’re running Firefox try this Adblock blocker blocker. Seems to work on most sites:

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/israblock/?src=search
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January 29, 2017 4:36pm
B.L.Zeebub

Trumps muslim ban.
As per usual liberal loonies start frothing at the mouth before their tiny pea brains can process the facts, not helped of course by the MSM that will only feed them alt-facts.
Once again the media spun hysterics don`t match the real story.
https://sethfrantzman.com/2017/01/28/obamas-administration-made-the-muslim-ban-possible-and-the-media-wont-tell-you/
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January 29, 2017 5:17pm
Komata

BL

But why ruin an waste a perfectly good lie?

As the MSM know, say something loudly enough and long enough, it becomes ‘fact’; so it is in this instance.

Same lies, same cause, same intent. And the MSM wonder why they aren’t trusted.
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January 29, 2017 6:04pm
Captain Mainwaring

Paddy the Gnome on TV3 News slobbering with delight about how well the Labour/Green marriage is going, and saying that Trump’s idiocy is going to play into their hands in November.
Let’s see how that goes.
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January 29, 2017 6:17pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Captain Mainwaring:
  
  This (in my opinion) is political beltway analysis from Paddy. The average voter isn’t going to wet themselves just because Metiria Turei and Andrew Little gave passionate speeches that lasted 15 minutes or so. It’s January. The election is probably 10 months away. At election time, leaving aside people who would vote Labour or Greens no matter what, who’s seriously going to remember today’s speeches – let alone cast their vote based on what we’ve heard today?
  
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  January 29, 2017 6:35pm
  - sooty
    
    The MOU speeches were the equivaient to getting a gumming from granny!
    
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    January 29, 2017 8:53pm
    - Komata
      
      You no likea d’ Granny?
      
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      January 29, 2017 9:24pm
wiseowl

Meanwhile Trumpy puts in a call to Putiny that all goes sweetily much to the disgust of the sick little media petallys.
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January 29, 2017 7:12pm
- itstricky
  
  Putiny? Petally?
  
  That’s Gabby’s domain. Except Gabby gets downticks for not agreeing with the mob.
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:14pm
BeeSting

Who wants to Live in SAUDI ARABIA
and DRINK CAMEL URINE?
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January 29, 2017 7:19pm
- Sponge
  
  What the fuck is wrong with you?
  
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  January 29, 2017 7:21pm
  - BeeSting
    
    What is wrong with you why don’t you go to
    
    SAUDI ARABIA and drink Camel Urine
    
    What is wrong with YOU
    
    Are you ISLAMOPHOBIC
    
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    January 29, 2017 9:29pm
Nostradamus

Sponge:

Some of us – Griff for instance – have noticed that BeeSting and Scorpion are tag-team trolls:

You could talking about lettuces and it is
Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust
Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust Hitler Holocaust

It takes some effort to pretend to be a nutcase across two personalities.
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January 29, 2017 8:19pm
- nasska
  
  Interesting thought Nostra. I had tended to favour a diagnosis of:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgraphia
  
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  January 29, 2017 8:28pm
- BeeSting
  
  NOT FOR YOU IT DOESN”T
  
  You can’t debate only insult because you
  among other things must have a very very very
  small intellect
  
  Next Insult scum bag
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:32pm
- BeeSting
  
  OH SH*T it has been tragic listening to you all pretend you give a RATS about the Jews
  
  Be honest you DON’T.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:33pm
- BeeSting
  
  YEAH MATE IF YOUR WERE SERIOUS
  ABOUT STOPPING HOLOCAUSTS
  
  CHAIRMAN MAO THE CHINESE COMMUNIST
  MASS MURDERER OF 50+MILLION
  
  Would not have his creepy as HELL
  
  MAORI CLOAK in TePapa
  
  and our “Prime Minister” would not
  have bowed down bent over and Worshiped it
  
  F**K COMMUNIST CHNA WHO NOW CONTROL THE NZ
  INTERNET
  
  F***K CHAIRMAN MAO
  
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  January 29, 2017 11:59pm
Viking2

Sixth has a pretty unpalatable look about it.

Fifth would’ve been bad enough, but New Zealand couldn’t even manage that at the Wellington Sevens, losing 17-12 to Argentina in their final match of the weekend.

Oh dear. That’s the end of the sevens.
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January 29, 2017 8:55pm
- RF
  
  Thank god.
  
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  January 29, 2017 10:19pm
Viking2

Dozens of Australian deportees are returning to New Zealand each month, sparking concerns resources are too stretched for them to reintegrate successfully.

Helen Murphy, manager of Prisoners’ Aid and Rehabilitation Society of Canterbury (Pars), said Kiwi-born criminals from across the Tasman were “coming continuously”.

Police figures show that of the 660 sent back since January 2015, 218 had offended in New Zealand since their return.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/88671246/dozens-of-australian-deportees-are-being-sent-to-nz-on-a-weekly-basis

So success for Australia but not so good for our population.
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January 29, 2017 9:00pm
- BeeSting
  
  That is your tough sh8t these people are a disgrace
  the NZ GVT should have forcibly removed them.
  AUS has a MASSIVE JIHAD Problem to deal with and quite frankly I could not care
  if they were dropped at sea and told to Swim Home.
  
  YOU VOTED FOR SCUM who are soft on these SCUM so DEAL with YOUR OWN SCUM.
  
  Australia Already is Full off SCUM so have some
  Scum from Australia.
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:27pm
Viking2

Two Beggars

Parvinder and Habib are street beggars. They beg in different areas of London.

Habib begs just as long as Parvinder but only collects £2 to £3 every day.

Parvinder brings home a suitcase FULL of £10 notes, drives a Mercedes, lives in a mortgage-free house and has a lot of money to spend.

Habib says to Parvinder ‘I work just as long and hard as you do but how do you bring home a suitcase full of £10 notes every day?’

Parvinder says, ‘Look at your sign, what does it say’?

Habib’s sign reads ‘I have no work, a wife and 6 kids to support’.

Parvinder says ‘No wonder you only get £2- £3.’

Habib says, ‘So what does your sign say’?

Parvinder shows Habib his sign.

It reads, ‘I only need another £10 to move back to Pakistan ‘.
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January 29, 2017 9:01pm
Viking2

Last Wishes

Dave Smith is on his death bed and knows the end is near.
His nurse, his wife, his daughter and 2 sons are with him at his home in London.
He asks for 2 independent witnesses to be present and a camcorder be in place to record his last wishes.
When all is ready he begins to speak:
“My son, Bernie, I want you to take the Mayfair houses.”
“My daughter, Sybil, you take the apartments over in the East end.”
“My son, Jamie, I want you to take the offices over in the City.”
“Sarah, my dear wife, please take all the residential buildings on the banks of the Thames .”
The nurse and witnesses are blown away. They did not realize the extent of his holdings.
As Dave slips away, the nurse says to his wife,
“Mrs. Smith, my deepest condolences.
Your husband must have been such a hard-working and wonderful man to have accumulated all this property…………..
“Property?”, Sarah Smith replies. “The bugger had a window cleaning round.”
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January 29, 2017 9:03pm
- Komata
  
  Oi!!
  
  Come back Mr Morecombe and Mr. Wise; your audience is waiting for an encore…
  
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  January 29, 2017 9:27pm
BeeSting

New Zealand Criminals

The only people dense enough to think the rest of the world is as dense and as soft as the Kiwi Government?

If you ever spend more than 5 minute in OZtralia
you will meet them and they are an embarrassment.

The NZ GVT can take these animals and shuv them where the son does not shine.

ENJOY paying for their free food and accomodation.

Half of them are probably the descendants of people who should have never been allowed into
either country.

Put them in John Keys 15 million dollar refugee centre.
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January 29, 2017 9:43pm
BeeSting

Here is a good Example of how much Respect
The Saudis have for NZ and Australian Law.

A bit like the scum nz exports to oz

Look at how they drive in Canberra
red light after red light high speed in school zones

Ahh those wonderful moslems who have taken
not one moslem refugee but paid for
400 mosques in Germany

What I want is all the moslem appeasers to do is
go there and drink as much camel Urine as they can and then come back and tell us what we should do and how we should all live

I think people should volunteer to live in Saudi
Arabia before they comment on turning NZ into
a backward moslem sh8t hole

I think that is reasonable

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/foreign-diplomats-refuse-to-pay-speeding-fines-despite-official-warnings-20161003-grtlo2.html

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/foreign-diplomats-are-ripping-up-canberra-roads–c/3ba3c310-f22e-4ef0-ad41-b6c0173cf6d8.htm

WHAT A B U N CH OF W AN K ERS
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January 29, 2017 9:54pm
Manolo

The Muslim Mayor of London opines:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/sadiq-khan-demands-donald-trumps-9716177

London Mayor Sadiq Khan – the first Muslim mayor of a major western city – has demanded Donald Trump’s state visit to the UK is cancelled.

He told Sky News: “I am quite clear, this ban is cruel, this ban is shameful, while this ban is in place we should not be rolling out the red carpet for President Trump.
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January 30, 2017 6:32am
Manolo

Meanwhile Trudeau open Canada’s doors:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-immigration-canada-idUSKBN15C0RI?il=0
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