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William of Ockham

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Chaos in government and popular support gone. Donald Drumpf, lame duck.
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January 23, 2017 8:01am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  You waited all night on your keyboard to be first in line with that piece of shit?
  
  What a sad life you must have
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:12am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Speaking of pieces of shit. Remember all the protests when Obama was elected? Much bigger than the Trump protests, but it all turned out ok in the end.
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:26am
    - holysheet
      
      shush, don’t tell stupidboy.
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:41am
- holysheet
  
  Bugger, the village idiot is back.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:19am
  - mandk
    
    Yes, but every village needs an idiot:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhDJxEPRDek
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:17am
Paulus Gnome

Hugh has been interviewed on rabid red this morning, he sounds like his posts.

Standby for a series of long copy and pastes with multiple links, sigh. . . . . . . .
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January 23, 2017 8:02am
slightlyrighty

The claims by the White House (Trump Actual) regarding the crowd size at the inauguration would be pitiful if it didn’t highlight the thin skinned nature of the office holder.

The fact that he would make these claims, which are so demonstrably able to be disproved by the evidence of our own eyes, then have his spokespeople double down on this by calling it “alternative facts”, show him to be the exact person than many on both sides of the political fence have feared.

If his presidency lasts a 4 year term, I would bet that he will not be the Republican candidate for the 2020 elections.

Watching the press statement reminded me of Comical Ali, the Iraqi Information Minister, during the Gulf War.

“The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.” ~ George Orwell, “1984”
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January 23, 2017 8:10am
- kowtow
  
  Was the photo showing the lack of crowd, taken at the same time as the Obama inauguration photo.
  
  Answer that.
  
  If it wasn’t then this is fake news by the NY Times.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:43am
  - mikenmild
    
    Getting desperate kowtow? Next you’ll be quoting Trump comparison of the TV ratings with Obama’s (second) inauguration.
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:47am
    - kowtow
      
      milky
      
      It’s not desperation. I couldn’t give a shit if only stephie you and griff turned up to the inauguration.
      
      But the media are bandying about that photo of the alleged lack of crowd and posing it next to the Obama adulation crowd photo.
      
      To be fair and accurate we need to know when the Trump photo was taken , otherwise the comparison is not fair. Does that have to be spelled out?
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:56am
      - mikenmild
        
        And CrazyIvan has answered your specious question.
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:02am
      - Flash
        
        WO had a photo of Trump walking out on to the stage, from above and behind. The place looked pretty well filled to me –
        (Can’t add photo)
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:41am
  - CrazyIvan
    
    Yes. The Hill has a photo of the Trump crowd at 11.59am, just before the inauguration started and there’s a mass of empty space at the rear of The Mall
    http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/315494-white-house-spokesman-blasts-media-over-crowd-sizes-in-first.
    
    Fox News is also reporting that Trump overstated the crowd at the inauguration.
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/21/fact-check-trump-overstates-crowd-size-at-inaugural.html
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:55am
    - kowtow
      
      CI
      
      Thanks for that. It needed answering. Fact is though that the lying left wing media will do all in their power to attack Trump in a way they refused to to Obummer.
      
      Trump may not be a likeable character but he will get things done.
      
      I’d take this guys opinion over Madonna’s.
      
      “And of course Republicans control the congress. If the Trump administration maintains decent relations with congress you will see a lot of changes in the US, tax code changes, corporate tax changes, massive amounts of deregulation.”
      
      http://www.irishtimes.com/business/irish-american-billionaire-has-lion-s-share-of-film-success-1.2945034
      
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      January 23, 2017 9:12am
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh good, change the subject. No comment on why Trump and his spokescreatures would tell such whopping lies?
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:25am
  - slightlyrighty
    
    Actually, both were taken at the time the oathes were being taken.
    
    Also, the transit system usage stats showed far more movement of people in ’09.
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:25am
- Fletch
  
  The whole mall was filled. Click on this gigapixel photo by CNN. You can zoom right to the back using you mouse wheel (amazing really) and see that it is completely filled right to the Washington Monument.
  
  http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/01/politics/trump-inauguration-gigapixel/
  
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  January 23, 2017 1:53pm
Paulus

Why is is that when you don’t win it is Undemocratic.
Ask the Democrats and the Women’s Movements.
Why is it that a million women marched in Washington against Trump when approx 180,000,000 in the USA voted for him in a Democratic voting system.
We have the stupid MMP but like many other countries – is it Democratic ?
What do they expect – to change the system because they do not like the result – of course, because they and the so called corrupt media want to sell media.
Watch this apace when the left wing so called media in New Zealand along with the variou movements turn against the National Government.
Watch the looming continuous Union strikes. Watch the negativism when we have one of the best current economies in the world.
It is now shown that the New Zealand media are considered lower than scum.
They could not tell lies from anything – lying is the norm. Interviewing their screens is similar.
Hopefully we will see the main two newspapers (sic) financially collapse.
I will do all I can by not buying either of the rags and persuade others to do likewise.
This year is the so called media’s swansong – watch how they abuse the privilege they once had.
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January 23, 2017 8:12am
- jonar
  
  Why is it that a million women marched in Washington against Trump when approx 180,000,000 in the USA voted for him in a Democratic voting system.
  
  Even Trump gets it (eventually)
  
  Peaceful protests are a hallmark of our democracy. Even if I don’t always agree, I recognize the rights of people to express their views.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:54am
- slightlyrighty
  
  The Official election results showed that there were 137,079,706 votes cast in total, of which 62,980,160 were cast for Trump.
  
  I’m just saying that in a post where you make claims about the honesty of other parties, it does your cause no good to misrepresent the facts just because it fits your argument better.
  
  http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:00am
  - mikenmild
    
    He’s just using ‘alternative facts’, now that has become a thing.
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:03am
  - Paulus
    
    Yes, y0u are right – I apologize for the incorrect numbers – must have dreamt them.
    Apologies, but sentiment still remains.
    
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    January 23, 2017 10:35am
- Disaster Area
  
  Why is it that a million women marched in Washington against Trump when approx 180,000,000 in the USA voted for him in a Democratic voting system.
  
  I mentioned one of the reasons yesterday. Trump’s intention to withdraw funding from Planned Parenthood will remove reproductive health care from a large number of people.
  This doesn’t just mean abortions, it means smear tests, breast scans, HIV and other STI testing as well as access to contraception and advice.
  And then there’s the comments about grabbing them by the pussy…
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:11am
  - Fletch
    
    Planned Parenthood is not the only provider of women’s healthcare; in fact, there are 20 comprehensive care clinics for every PP provider in America (see the linked map below). PP also does not do mammograms, they can only refer. The health of women would not suffer if Planned Parenthood were to be ended.
    
    https://adflegal.blob.core.windows.net/web-content-dev/site-assets/final-national-map-1.png?sfvrsn=8
    
    Here is what Federally Qualified Health Center provides, and what PP provides.
    
    https://adflegal.blob.core.windows.net/web-content-dev/site-assets/health-services-offered-by-fqhcs.jpg?sfvrsn=2
    
    So saying that women’s healthcare would suffer is a crock really.
    
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    January 23, 2017 2:56pm
- mandk
  
  “We have the stupid MMP but like many other countries – is it Democratic ?”
  
  Precisely. At our next election, we will almost certainly end up with a PM no one has voted for. If it is Little, it will be a PM who has never been elected for anything by the populace.
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:26am
Longknives

This is ridiculous! DQ for that??

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/tennis/88665604/junior-player-disqualified-from-australian-open-for-hitting-ball-kid
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January 23, 2017 8:13am
- Nukuleka
  
  It is clear from the video that she did not do this deliberately- it may have been a petulant act but it wan’t a delberate act of aiming the ball at anyone. She immediately put her hand up in apology. Oh that Australian tennis officials were were as quick off the mark to penalise the likes of their own Nick Kygrios for his wilful misdemeanours.
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:53am
stephieboy

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Trump had a busy day praising the CIA that leading up to his visit previously busily bad mouthed .

I suppose his supporters just have to learn to adapt to a life of flip flops damaging as it must be to their spongy grey matter slopping about inside .
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January 23, 2017 8:20am
- Manolo
  
  Take it easy, my Muslim friend.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:23am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, touchie there ?
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:25am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      Well if you continue to go full retard on Trump everyday here people might start to question the unhealthiness of your obsession.
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:27am
    - Manolo
      
      Not at all. You are in the company of this other Obama minion:
      http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/21/former-cia-director-says-trump-should-be-ashamed-of-himself/
      
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      January 23, 2017 9:00am
  - Inandout
    
    Stephie was up half the night ‘researching’ those fake photos of Trump’s daughter.
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:28am
- Andrei
  
  You’re finally back after yesterday’s disastrous post
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:27am
  - Inandout
    
    It at least shows beneath every Muslim’s pious exterior there lurks a sex maniac.
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:30am
  - stephieboy
    
    Andrei ,this one ?
    
    All on Red , at least 1.8 million at Obama’s inaugaration 2009 .
    
    At least half less or at Trump ‘s
    
    Interesting !
    
    As always touchie as ever about Putin’s dear mother Russia
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:36am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Fake news from the Creep Stephie
      Trump gets second highest TV ratings.
      Nearly 31 million viewers watched live U.S. television coverage of Donald Trump’s presidential inauguration.
      Less than Barry Os first but more than the rest, including Barry’s second time.
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:47am
      - mikenmild
        
        Sorry, AoR, Trump’s figure were the fifth best, behind Reagan, Obama, Carter and Nixon.
        Trump also lied when he said the figures for Obama’s second inauguration were ‘very good’, when they were the lowest since 1969 except for Bush II’s second inauguration.
        
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        January 23, 2017 8:59am
      - All_on_Red
        
        http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-inauguration-ratings-idUSKBN15600S
        Mea Culpa, you’re correct. This article is a bit messy in detailing it.
        Still, it’s a pretty high and was close to Nixon and Carter. He bet Clinton and the Bush’s
        I see Reagan had the most at 42 million!
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:23am
      - mikenmild
        
        Yeah, but the thing is: why lie so blatantly when the lies are so easily exposed? And then double down with ‘alternative facts’, etc.
        Sad!
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:29am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Well Obama, Bush and Clintons figures are all close to among the lowest. Perhaps at 20 million they were ‘very good’ but that aside.
        Is it a deliberate lie or a mistake?
        I got it wrong- did I lie or just make a mistake?
        You’re being too picky. Save it for something serious- I’m sure that will happen!
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:57am
  - Longknives
    
    Eh? Did Stephieboy post something inappropriate?
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:41am
    - Andrei
      
      He did!
      
      He inhabits the sewers of the internet
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:47am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Not the first time either. The creep has this fascination with posting nude pictures of the Trump women.
        
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        January 23, 2017 8:51am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , merly for your benefit reminding you and other Trumpist what a pure self rightous prig of a man your Fuhrer is !
        
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        January 23, 2017 1:15pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        More like you’re an inveterate Wanker Creepyboy
        
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        January 23, 2017 1:18pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Yesterday Stephieboy posted a link to a porn site that showed full-leg spread photos of the daughter of the President of the United States.
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:55am
      - Longknives
        
        Naughty Stephieboy! An extra few wails at morning prayers today for you old chap!!..
        (Those infidel Western women are rather tempting though aren’t they?..)
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:01am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Maybe he’ll post links to pics illustrating Ashley Judd’s claims that Trump has ‘wet dreams’ over his daughter. Ashley Judd (whoever she is) is clearly the sort of classy dame Steffigirl likes to hang out with.
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:59am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I’d rather stephieboy didn’t post links to degrading pics of people (women, men or children).
        
        Having a link to a pic of the President’s daughter covered in sperm (or something imitating orgasmic fluid) is not the sort of material I expected to find on a Political blog.
        
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        January 23, 2017 10:11am
      - Jack5
        
        The Stephieboy troll team’s post yesterday to the Islamic porn site was by far the most contemptible post I’ve seen on Kiwiblog.
        
        You have to wonder: Are the pro-Islam Stephiestanis who post here on Kiwiblog as “Stephieboy” actually agents provocateurs paid by someone to foment contempt for and prejudice against Muslims? They are doing a good job of this.
        
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        January 23, 2017 11:02am
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        I am not passing judgement on whether it is right or wrong as everyone can make their own call on that one but it is not the first time a porn link has been posted on KB.
        I have seen at least two others I can remember.
        
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        January 23, 2017 11:15am
      - Jack5
        
        Stars and Stripes notes there have been posts to pornography sites before yesterday’s contemptible link by the Stephie team.
        
        However, this was gross pornography, and the images were alleged to be of a family member of a prominent politician (the images were likely Photoshopped, putting an uninvolved person’s face on a porn model’s body).
        
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        January 23, 2017 11:42am
- G152
  
  His appointee now runs the CIA.
  Don’t you read the real news?
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:29am
  - calendar girl
    
    Apologies to S&S at 11:15am above – I pressed ‘Report’ in error when trying to make a comment about the lack of a strike for that Stephieboy post.
    
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    January 23, 2017 11:37am
VicParking

“Alternative facts are not facts; they’re falsehoods.”
“Trump is not using press Conferences to communicate with the press but to communicate with the people”
“CNN comes out fighting”
This is the shit that he failing newspaper and Red radio are putting out to attack Trump this morning.
It looks like they are still trying to hold onto Hillary’s nickers even as she slides into her grave.
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January 23, 2017 8:23am
- stephieboy
  
  Vic Parking , the battle is for the Truth .Not Trump and his supporters attempting to intimidate MSM into silence
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:27am
  - G152
    
    You haven’t been paying attention have you.
    The media is no longer the news reporter, they are the propaganda wing of the left…
    And anti Trump
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:32am
    - stephieboy
      
      Breitbart, Infowars , WND etc ?
      
      Your joking ?
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:44am
      - Andrei
        
        celebjihad.com????
        
        ~~Your~~ You’re joking ?
        
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        January 23, 2017 8:52am
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X at 8.27 posted, including “the battle is for the Truth”.
        
        What do the Stephie perverts know about the Truth, when they promote pornography created by using Photoshop to falsely include prominent people?
        
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        January 23, 2017 11:14am
    - Disaster Area
      
      How many of the major news outlets are owned by Rupert Murdoch, that bastion of progressive, left wing ideology?
      
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      January 23, 2017 9:14am
      - mikenmild
        
        Rupert Murdoch is ‘left wing’?
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:17am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Sarcasm!
        
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        January 23, 2017 9:25am
  - holysheet
    
    you wouldn’t know the truth, even if it bit you in your smelly fat arse.
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:37am
    - stephieboy
      
      holysheet, another rich irony alert from a leading Trumpanzee !
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:40am
      - holysheet
        
        What, no rebuttal that you have a fat smelly arse?
        
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        January 23, 2017 8:44am
      - All_on_Red
        
        That’s ‘LYING fat smelly arse!’
        
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        January 23, 2017 8:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        Al on Wed. tsk, tsk , tsk .
        
        Missed your meds this morning ?
        
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        January 23, 2017 11:23am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  We should organise a march: Media Lies Matter
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    Go ahead .Whats stopping you ? Keyboards much easier ?
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:38am
    - Salacious Crumb
      
      stephieboy 16,917 COMMENTS
      
      The irony…..
      
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      January 23, 2017 8:50am
- fernglas
  
  The concern for me is that Trump could easily have said that his supporters were too busy working or looking for work, or simply couldn’t afford to go to Washington, and he would have been right. Instead he and his people took the press on in a way that could be proven false. For someone who campaigned on the basis of representing a new way, he seems very concerned with measuring himself against the old. If that is true, the hopes of him achieving what his supporters expect of him must be diminished.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:37am
  - VicParking
    
    There were massive delays in people arriving because of two factors
    1. This was the first time people were screened before entering the parade area.
    2. Numbers of protestors lined up but did not enter causing holdups.
    Therefore to say that the pictures where taking at the same time proves anything is wrong.
    Anyrate who cares a rats turd about the number of people attending.
    
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    January 23, 2017 10:39am
- mikenmild
  
  You seem to be ignoring that it is Trump’s own creature who has coined the term ‘alternative facts’ – a splendid addition to the language of post-truth politics.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:50am
Happychappy

So Andrew Little Starts the campaign in Mt Albert with introducing Jacinda with we have two hundred and fifty thousand children in NZ that are in poverty and Jacinda Adern is passionate about doing something about it, I give you Jacinda Adern. When is Labour, Andrew Little and the Media going to wake up to the fact that the voter is sick and tired of the untruths being told every day about poverty and the over emphasized figures. When you continually get Poll Result leaving your Party in the mid to late 25%/28% you would think that telling the truth might help. Andrew and Labour think pimping criminals and the poor breaking Health and Safety laws to grab votes from families of the dead and increase tax fore the more fortunate is what people in NZ need so when will they learn.
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January 23, 2017 8:31am
- alex Masterley
  
  I see Roy Morgan came out with a slight uptick for the Nats in their most recent poll.
  No mention of that in the media as yet.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:36am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Also no mention of the big drop for both Labour and Greens.
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:52am
    - mandk
      
      Even the comrades over at The Standard are doubting the value of the MoU.
      Couldn’t Little see that all it would do would be to shuffle a few votes between the two parties and encourage some Labour voters to look elsewhere?
      
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      January 23, 2017 9:38am
- fernglas
  
  By the measure they are using, if every income in this country went up by $100,000, the same number would be in poverty. It’s bullshit. As someone who has regularly travelled to Asia I know what poverty looks like. This obsession with what mounts to economic redistribution will be the death of Labour.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:43am
  - Brigitte
    
    Actually, to be pedantic, that is not correct. If they all rose by a % then it would be indeed the right conclusion. But “poverty” is defined as 60% of the median salary.
    
    So if it was $50k, then poverty line is $30k. Add $100k across the board and the median becomes $150k. New poverty line is $90k (60% of $150k) and that is -$10k before the $100k top up. So eliminates poverty altogether (apart from a few stragglers with a failing business).
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:21am
  - mandk
    
    In reality, using the poverty measure they favour, the best way to eliminate poverty would be to stop low income people from having babies.
    
    Alternatively, rich pricks could eat the babies, along the lines of Swift’s “Modest Proposal”.
    
    Nom, nom!
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:44am
- Awww C-mon
  
  “When is Labour, Andrew Little and the Media going to wake up to the fact that the voter is sick and tired of the untruths being told every day about poverty and the over emphasized figures”
  
  When they stop reading the standard, and believing it, and start reading KB, without discrediting it. So really never.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:43am
Stars And Stripes

Terminally ill prisoner Vicki Letele opens up about ‘inhumane’ treatment
http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/01/terminally-ill-prisoner-vicki-letele-opens-up-about-appalling-treatment.html.
“Ms Letele now wants an apology from Corrections.
“I’d love for them to acknowledge the treatment I received was inhumane, it was wrong, not for any other reason than to make a change,” she said”

So she wants an apology from Corrections.
Yes I bet all the people you ripped off would like one of those from you as well.
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January 23, 2017 8:50am
- mikenmild
  
  Not really the point, S&S. If any prisoner is treated poorly, then there should be a remedy. I’m saying that as a general principle, not as one convinced she was actually treated badly.
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:54am
  - Happychappy
    
    I agree with your sentiments but people take their own lives when they lose big take what happened in the share market crash of the eighties. People are put inside for committing serious crime they should get a apology to themselves not a public apology.
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:05am
    - mikenmild
      
      I’m not so worried about a form of apology but the general principle. Apart from anything else, it provides an incentive for the officials to act correctly.
      
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      January 23, 2017 9:13am
- Longknives
  
  Her story sounds a bit dubious to me…
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:58am
  - fernglas
    
    “It was five weeks of near constant vomiting before she was allowed to see a doctor.
    
    They said she had an ear infection and Ms Letele was left pleading with the nurse as her stomach cancer grew.
    
    Ms Letele and her family spent almost two months begging Corrections to take her to hospital. By the time they relented, it was too late.”
    
    If that’s true, it’s appalling. If not, she should STFU. My understanding of the way that prison works is that it is highly unlikely that things happened the way she claims, and as a proven con-artist, her allegations should be taken with a large grain of salt until otherwise proven.
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:07am
- holysheet
  
  Apology means “pay me some money MOFO” to this piece of shit and others like her.
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:03am
- Paulus
  
  How much money does she want – ask her Lawyer ?
  
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  January 23, 2017 10:40am
kowtow

Talking of the lying media , the 2 top stories out of Sweden today are yet another shooting in Malmo and the live streaming of a gang rape on facebook.

What’s interesting is there is no description of the culprits . You see, that would be “racist” and also show how unsuccessful the “multicultural” experiment imposed by the political class on the indigenous Swede is.

“According to police, the injured man has never been convicted of a crime, although he was unsuccessfully prosecuted last August for throwing a petrol bomb at a police car.”

http://www.thelocal.se/20170122/another-teenager-shot-in-malm-on-saturday-night
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January 23, 2017 8:51am
Manolo

Meeting of liberals:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/21/cnn-analyst-says-womens-march-about-liberalism-not-women-video/
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January 23, 2017 8:57am
Inandout

Trump in one day has done more for womens’ fitness than Obama did in his whole career. I did steal this from a radio caller.
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January 23, 2017 9:00am
KevinH

What is lacking in the media coverage of the crowd size at the inauguration is perspective.
Obama’s inauguration was well attended, more so than Trumps, for a variety of reasons least of which was war fatigue following the ill advised invasion of Iraq.
The American public sensed a mood for change with Obama, an optimism that change was underway.Obama was the first African American POTUS, history in the making, and the expectation from a war weary nation was that Obama would deliver significant economic and social change i.e. get out of Iraq and deliver an economic stimulus to an ailing economy. The question is did he deliver?.
Trump however is a different kettle of fish, a non politician, a divisive polarising personality who vows to unite a divided nation and make it great again, a truly ambitious promise that the MSM will hound him with during the time of his presidency.
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January 23, 2017 9:00am
- mikenmild
  
  No one really cares how many people attended, or watched, Trump’s inauguration. What is relevant is his continued compulsion to lie about everything.
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:08am
  - kowtow
    
    Bad mood having to be back in the office ? Note I didn’t say back at “work”.
    
    Te he he he.
    
    Not to worry , summer will be along shortly.
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:19am
- MCos
  
  Trump’s big advantage is that expectations of him are so low that any positivity that comes out of his presidency will bolster his standing.
  If the strange business of the crowd numbers at the inauguration is anything to go by everything will be positive as far as he is concerned. Stuff that can’t be spun in a good way, such as his tax returns, will just remain undisclosed it seems.
  Of course all the usual apologists will talk about snowflakes and how all the protesters are paid by Soros . . . .
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:46am
- Paulus
  
  Wrong Obama’s election heralded a new Messiah, according to the media, and the first Afro American man at that.
  Hillary would have been hailed as the first woman elected if she had not stuffed it.
  
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  January 23, 2017 10:42am
Inandout

Trump’s senior staff have just been sworn in. Too late snowflakes.
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January 23, 2017 9:00am
- Disaster Area
  
  Did the Ethics committee who are meant to vet appointments finish in time?
  I read a story that they were behind schedule, but haven’t seen anything since.
  
  http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/313175-ethics-office-accuses-gop-of-rushing-trump-cabinet-confirmations
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:18am
  - mikenmild
    
    I think two Cabinet appointments have been confirmed so far. There was some fuss from McConnell, who reckoned the nation would be at risk if the new CIA director was not confirmed before the weekend.
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:35am
  - Inandout
    
    Under Obama the word ‘ethics’ labels the office a misnomer.
    
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    January 23, 2017 11:26am
Manolo

Elections have consequences:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4145148/Trump-blasts-celebrities-protesters-Women-s-March.html
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January 23, 2017 9:11am
kowtow

What rights do they lack?

“Those in attendance agreed, waving signs with slogans including “girls just want to have fundamental rights” and chanting “this is what a feminist looks like”.’

https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/dunedin-joins-womens-march-global
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January 23, 2017 9:31am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  ‘………..and chanting “this is what a feminist looks like”.’
  
  Oh?? Just like a whore, only uglier. 🙂
  
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  January 23, 2017 2:36pm
rightoverlabour

Stuff is going on about “Aucklands Affordibility Shamed”, saying that “Among major markets, Auckland trails only Hong Kong, Sydney and Vancouver” http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/88665960/auckland-fourth-least-affordable-housing-market-in-nine-countries-in-new-survey

Actually they should be saying that Auckand is the 4th most desirable city to live in. No shame in that. Wankers.
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January 23, 2017 10:24am
- Lance
  
  Trouble is the rampant speculation.
  A LOT of people are buying up 6 or more houses (I didn’t used to believe this but I now have discovered it’s true).
  A typical case (as reported in the Herald) has this young ‘entrepreneur’ crowing about owning $8M assets. But the meat head has over $5M loan and income from rents surplus is 40K p.a.
  
  Friggen lunacy. The slightest downturn see’s him and many others like him down the shitter in an eyeblink.
  I normally would not care about this BUT based on previous experience the asshole banks recoup their losses ( from pisspoor lending practices) from the ones still standing, as in the prudent ones.
  
  Heads they win, tails we lose.
  
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  January 23, 2017 11:16am
  - Twinkletoes
    
    I believe Helen Clark owns quite a few – by the time she departed these shores it was seven that I knew of.
    
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    January 23, 2017 12:14pm
Happychappy

Does the fat German criminals wedding in November to his finance and Law Student mean she will be able to stop his extradition to USA as she is a NZ Citizen.
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January 23, 2017 11:56am
- Keeping Stock
  
  No.
  
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  January 23, 2017 3:34pm
- Longknives
  
  She clearly loves him for his ‘Sense of Humour’..
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3445234/Is-Kim-Dotcom-21-year-old-girlfriend-Elizabeth.html
  
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  January 23, 2017 7:27pm
DifferentPerspective

For anyone confused about Trump here is how it happened….
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January 23, 2017 11:56am
- stephieboy
  
  Still mystified !
  
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  January 23, 2017 1:16pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Of course you are. The article has words with more than 4 letters in them.
    You much prefer pictures eh pornoboy
    
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    January 23, 2017 1:21pm
    - stephieboy
      
      All on Red , stiil is a little mystifying how brown nosers like you can be so fervantly devoted attracted to the man ,
      
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      January 23, 2017 1:23pm
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        Here ,
        http://www.gibbleguts.com/wp-content/uploads/gofar-370×297.jpg
        
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        January 23, 2017 1:24pm
JasonJohns

Uptick if you agree with this article and are a race realist.
https://www.amren.com/commentary/2017/01/white-racial-consciousness-white-identity-anti-white-black-violence/
The election of Trump and the rise of the alt-right…race realism is the future of right-wing politics
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January 23, 2017 12:37pm
stephieboy

Mike Pence feels alll those Women protestors should be at home under some kind of house arrest chained to domestic duties ,

“Mike Pence Disappointed In The 200,000 Husbands And Fathers Who Permitted Women To Attend March”

“Admonishing those responsible for failing to uphold their moral duties, Vice President Mike Pence expressed disappointment Saturday in the 200,000 husbands and fathers who had allowed the women and girls in their charge to attend the Women’s March on Washington. “I can’t tell you how let down I feel by the heads of these households who did not simply give their wives and daughters a firm, decisive ‘no’ when they asked to participate in today’s demonstration,”

America First !

Yeah right !

http://www.theonion.com/article/mike-pence-disappointed-200000-husbands-and-father-55116
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January 23, 2017 1:19pm
- rangitoto
  
  The Onion! LOL. You do realise it’s a satire site right?
  
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  January 23, 2017 1:38pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Correct but the satirical piece was good while it lasted .
    
    Snopes in their usual good form ,
    
    http://www.snopes.com/mike-pence-disappointed-womens-march/
    
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    January 23, 2017 2:45pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      While you believed it you mean!
      Sooo funny.
      Edit- mind you, then fact checking it with Snopes is also pretty funny.
      
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      January 23, 2017 3:01pm
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        Snopes is unlike say alt right Breitbart or Infowars highly reliable and reputable ,
        
        e.g,
        
        http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy
        
        plus ,
        
        http://www.snopes.com/bill-clinton-illegitimate-son/
        
        etc, etc
        
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        January 23, 2017 3:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Pizza?
        Your special would be Peeperoni and Sleaze right?
        
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        January 23, 2017 5:08pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Victoria changes its bail laws as a result of Gargasoulas’ murderous rampage last Friday.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-38713950
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January 23, 2017 3:41pm
EAD

Rather than “bravely standing up to the establishment” as they believe, I wonder if all those cat laddies out marching realise they were actually doing the bidding for multi billionaire nation-destroyer on chief (((George Soros)))?

“Ex-WSJ Reporter Finds George Soros Has Ties To More Than 50 ‘Partners’ Of The Women’s March”

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-22/ex-wsj-reporter-finds-soros-has-ties-more-50-partners-women%E2%80%99s-march-washington
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January 23, 2017 4:25pm
- mikenmild
  
  Has Zero Hedge got any updates on the total global financial crash?
  
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  January 23, 2017 4:29pm
Manolo

As if Obama never existed:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/22/trump-can-immediately-repeal-these-obama-energy-policies/
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January 23, 2017 4:54pm
Happychappy

I see that Bill English has again showed his quality and why he was selected as the Prime Minister by his National Caucus with his speech in Te Reo at Ratana Pa today. Hodges-Tai praised English for his speech and commented that this is the best speech by any Leader that he has heard speak Te Reo at Ratana.
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January 23, 2017 4:56pm
Manolo

Political games: the Dems play hardball:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/22/trumps-cabinet-picks-face-questions-from-both-parties-mcconnell-confident.html
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January 23, 2017 5:26pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

http://www.gaslampball.com/2017/1/22/14353090/gm-preller-scouts-new-zealand-and-considers-a-padres-investment-in-baseball

Awesome the NZ Horrid re-named the NZ Harold….nice !
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January 23, 2017 5:51pm
Fletch

Women trash Washington, leaving their garbage everywhere….

http://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2017/01/22/nasty-women-vote-and-make-lots-of-mess-womens-march-trashes-cities-across-the-country/
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January 23, 2017 6:52pm
- All_on_Red
  
  And the chances are, men will have to clean it up…
  
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  January 23, 2017 7:03pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Yeah, but they’ll just be some of the deplorables….
    
    http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2016/11/11/hillary-admits-she-shouldnt-have-said-basket-of-deplorables-n2244477
    
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    January 23, 2017 7:05pm
  - kowtow
    
    Black men and low paid immigrants.
    
    But this was all about the tryanny that wimmin face. Middle class , white wimmin.
    
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    January 23, 2017 8:01pm
Happychappy

What bigots the media are with Prime and the Hubs leading their news that Donald Trump and his administration tell lies, well that’s the pot calling the kettle black the media don’t know the meaning of truth so what gives them the right to comment let alone call others liars.
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January 23, 2017 7:15pm
- mikenmild
  
  Is that really the best defence for a lying politician: that others also tell lies?
  
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  January 23, 2017 7:37pm
RF

Danger .. Danger….Will Robinson… if you are driving around Wairoa do not pick up Maori hitch hikers. There is a good chance you will be beaten up, left on the side of the road and have your car stolen.

The special people have solved their transport problems.

This is not bull shit as it happened. FFS.
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January 23, 2017 7:21pm
- Longknives
  
  Left battered unconscious on the side of the road…
  Stay Classy ‘Tangata Whenua’.
  
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  January 23, 2017 7:24pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  I’ll keep it in mind.
  
  Must admit we do pick up hitchhikers around here now and again.
  
  Not sure I’d pick anyone up at night though.
  
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  January 23, 2017 7:29pm
Andrei

A lot of Americans have lost their fricken minds
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January 23, 2017 7:37pm
- Andrei
  
  Of course no man in his right mind would marry an American woman – look at the poor bugger in that video who has probably had a lifetime of that nag
  
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  January 23, 2017 7:39pm
nasska

Have you ever noticed that it’s only ‘perfect’ people who are murdered or killed in horrific accidents?

“He was the perfect son” or “She was the perfect daughter.”

“Such a tragic accident they were the perfect family.”

“They died together, the perfect couple till the end.”

I reckon that I should be immortal.
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January 23, 2017 7:59pm
- EAD
  
  or when the Police in America shoot dead a 19 year old gun toting, drug dealing gangster.
  
  The MSM is wall to wall “he dreamt of being a Doctor” or “he was a wonderful father to his 5 kids”.
  
  What then usually accompanies the article is a picture of him as a 6 y.o. boy looking angelic rather than the tattooed, battle scared 230lb gorilla he now is.
  
  Despite all the faux outrage, I just usually think “good riddance – another one bites the dust”
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:48pm
B.L.Zeebub

Male feminist goes to Womens march in Edmonton, punches woman reporter in face.
http://www.therebel.media/shock_video_rebel_reporter_attacked_by_alberta_ndp_thug

You can run but you can`t hide.
https://www.makesomethingedmonton.ca/hub/73-ficus-studios/

The guy is protected by women victim blamers and allowed to run away, Liberalism is a mental disease
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January 23, 2017 8:09pm
stigie

Yep, Kiwiblog’s one and only immortal……Nasska !~
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January 23, 2017 8:10pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  Any update on whether Lewis Stanton – otherwise known as ‘horse-man’ – has made a New Year’s resolution to move on from his spot outside Farmers? Perhaps the local newspaper could arrange for Bob Jones to visit and offer some advice?
  
  I note from the linked article that the mayor said she’d be “discussing the issue with her newly elected council in the coming weeks” – and that was last October!
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:31pm
stigie

Nostra:- The council has no balls just like the Auckland Council with Penny Bright. Saw Lewis the other day still parked up outside Farmers with all his shit over the footpath dressed as he does in a wizard’s hat and costume.
Must say though Nostra, Lewis doesn’t beg for money as his mother is apparently quite well off, so really a waste of time Bob Jones coming down.
Anyway, beggars don’t have cell phones like the one i have seen him use a couple of times !~
Edit:- I could be wrong, beggars may have cell phones to call other beggars to see how much they have made for the day..?
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January 23, 2017 8:49pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  A mobile phone is par for the course these days as I understand it. The unofficial definition of “poor” now seems to be: no Sky TV reception and only one pair of shoes. On that definition, because he lives on the footpath and probably doesn’t have an extensive footwear collection, Lewis clearly qualifies!
  
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  January 23, 2017 8:58pm
nasska

I checked with stigie earlier on this year just in case the Nelson Businessmens Assn & the Council hadn’t whipped poor old Lewis away somewhere Nostra but he assured me that all was well.

We might yet have to get you to file a Habeas Corpus if he goes missing.
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January 23, 2017 8:55pm
stigie

He would be a great fit in the Eketahuna CBD Nasska ole chap..?
Of course with you retiring this year, some valuable moments could be spent !~
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January 23, 2017 8:59pm
- nasska
  
  There’s not a lot of room for him to spread out in Eke stigie.
  
  http://www.foursquare.co.nz/media/63476/eketahuna_cropMainImage.jpg
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:05pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    Left Right and Centre hasn’t commented for a while but he’d be the right person to check out Eketahuna CBD and give Lewis the “all-clear”:
    
    LRC had uncompromising standards when he checked out Porirua last year:
    
    I agree. I will say however that the African looking folks at pns Porirua are middle class, well dressed, likeable and quite good looking.
    
    Hopefully LRC could say similarly nice things about Eketahuna residents?
    
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    January 23, 2017 9:22pm
    - nasska
      
      LR&Cs commentaries on Low Life Central are classics Nostra.
      
      But I fear that rustic Eke would hold little appeal for such cosmopolitan characters as he & Lewis. 🙂
      
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      January 23, 2017 9:40pm
stigie

One Farmers store and you would be home and hosed Nasska !~
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January 23, 2017 9:08pm
EAD

A shameless copy paste from below the line comments in the Spectator….

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January 23, 2017 9:46pm
Nostradamus

Penny Bright talks tough on corruption.

(And she has a new hat…)
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January 23, 2017 9:47pm
- nasska
  
  The hat would look better trimmed with a couple of peacock feathers & a dead cat. 🙂
  
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  January 23, 2017 9:54pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Penny is always well turned-out.
  She is a style inspiration for all mature ladies.
  
  I do try to emulate her look, but its difficult finding a matching pair of socks sometimes.
  https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5073/13957439384_1d53615ebf_b.jpg
  
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  January 23, 2017 10:52pm
stigie

It needs a whole heap of corks hanging from the brim to keep the flies away..?
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January 23, 2017 9:59pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  There’s an exception to the expression “I’d love to be a fly on the wall”: that expression doesn’t apply when it comes to long speeches about the Public Records Act and corruption. And (as always) there’s an exception to the exception: a short speech about a trip to the rates payments office!
  
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  January 23, 2017 10:21pm
Manolo

Plan B needed:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html?_r=0
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