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Manolo

What a cheeky bastard!
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/undocumented-worker-sues-san-francisco-violating-sanctuary-law-001854835.html

An undocumented immigrant from El Salvador is suing San Francisco alleging police violated the city’s sanctuary city policy by turning him over to U.S. immigration authorities after he reported his car stolen.
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January 20, 2017 8:04am
- peterwn
  
  Case will probably get thrown out – it does not seem to be a Federal matter, he should have tried to sue via a Californian court.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:17am
  - cmm
    
    Immigration laws ARE federal laws.
    
    Sanctuary cities are just cities where the local cops are under instruction not to help federal immigration by asking people if they are illegally in the country etc.
    
    My understanding is that this is an “ask no questions, hear no lies” policy. If the person volunteers the information then they can still be done.
    
    Chances are we don’t see the full story here. My money says the bloke was being a dick head, the cops had enough and handed him over for processing.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:31am
    - peterwn
      
      I was thinking about the validity of local ‘sanctuary’ laws. However I would agree that if the issue is whether the Immigration authority is obliged to respect local ‘sanctuary’ laws, it is a Federal matter and IMO the Federal District Court should tell the complainant to jump in the lake. Otherwise there would be the ridiculous situation that if any local cop told Immigration that someone was an illegal immigrant, then the immigration authorities could never take action against that immigrant. Moreover an illegal immigrant could bribe any cop to rat on him to Immigration to secure an indefinite stay in USA.
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:28am
      - cmm
        
        The “sanctuary laws” are only city/state laws that apply to their city/state employees (cops, licensing authorities etc).
        
        They have no authority over federal employees. Local laws to not trump federal immigration laws.
        
        This does, however, throw a spanner in the works because the immigration people sometimes need to call on local cops etc for assistance.
        
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        January 20, 2017 1:30pm
- Colville
  
  Cheeky little Darkies! 🙂
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:43am
  - Manolo
    
    Spot on, my mate. 🙂
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:50am
- holysheet
  
  Thankfully all this immigration shit looks like ending after today.
  How dumb do you have to be to do something this stupid?
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:49am
  - cmm
    
    Arrogant, not dumb….
    
    They’ve seen the laws have no teeth. There are organisation helping them get welfare and other benefits and showing them how to flout the law.
    
    Pretty soon they get to be very, very entitled…
    
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    January 20, 2017 9:01am
dime

this is like the 4th story on the herald site

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11785590

some opinion piece by a chick famour for banging an all black and reading the weather.

“I cannot stand Donald Trump.

I’m talking personality, not so much politics. I can take or leave some of his policy, but I cannot stomach the man.”

“I don’t even hear the words anymore. I feel like I’m listening to a child who has no clue of the answer, but having been put on the spot, has a crack at cobbling together some semblance of a reply and hoping one parent will buy it.”

imagine if you turned a gem like that in for 5th form english? youd still be there trying to pass.
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January 20, 2017 8:06am
- Nukuleka
  
  The sad thing is that these days this is exactly the kind of thing that is being turned in for Form 5 English and would be being rewarded with an NCEA pass with Excellence. It contains the ‘acceptable’ pc attitude towards Trump and that is all that matters with the current crop of NZ teachers.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:27am
  - Tarquin North
    
    Just the Herald trying to hatch another Lizzie Marvelly.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:29am
    - pdm
      
      Bernadine Oliver-Kerby has been around a lot longer than Lizzie Marvelly. She is one of the better news readers and perhaps should stick to that rather than writing op eds.
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:32am
      - sam green
        
        Especially when the opinions don’t agree with yours.
        
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        January 20, 2017 7:02pm
  - cmm
    
    Yup, you would get an Excellence for highly creative deconstruction of grammar and logic.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:34am
- MCos
  
  Dime, mate.
  You’ve got no business squawking about someone’s poor English.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:35am
  - dime
    
    dude, im churning out rants in the comments section of a blog.
    
    if dime submitted an opinion piece for a newspaper, i would up the ante a touch.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:53am
- Simon
  
  “I cannot stand Donald Trump.
  
  Prez-elect Trump because fuck you.
  
  NZ herald has been mong soup over Trump. Still dont get it. Sad!
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:59am
- Scott
  
  Bang on dime. The liberals at the Herald can’t stand Trump and therefore for the next 4 to 8 years we will not get a single positive story about Trump. Not one. In their eyes he will do hundreds of things and not one of them will be a good thing.
  
  Obama on the other hand has not done a bad thing in 8 years. Not one. Obama has been all good all of the time.
  
  And one more thing, imagine if in 2008 the Herald had allowed someone to vent like this about Obama? There’d be hell to pay- “I feel physically sick when I listen to Obama and also when I look at him”. Never going to happen.
  
  The Herald has become fake news and a far left opinion journal.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:12am
  - calendar girl
    
    Your analogy with the 2008 President-elect makes the point exactly.
    
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    January 20, 2017 9:28am
  - stephieboy
    
    Trump has left a trail of inane and crazy comments via Twitter etc . Lies also via the same etc .
    
    Obama was subject to unrelenting attacks , nasty inuendo, conspiracy theories, derangement syndrome ( pass laws legalising sex with animals etc ) etc largely purely based on the colour of his family and his skin .
    
    Big difference and the”..far left opinion journal.” naturally responds in kind .
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:19am
    - Manolo
      
      Are you saddened by his departure? Tears welling up?
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:23am
Paulus

I am concerned in that young Doctors fight like hell academically to get into the profession. With certain special people exceptions, they have a struggle to work hard hours at University and along the start of their careers.
Sure they work long hours at the beginning to show how good or bad they are, and are still well paid, with potential in time huge salaries, but why do they do all these things to get into a very select Club and then aim to change the Rules of the club.
Surely if you do not like the Rules of the Club then do not join.
This strike has not done them any favours again and shown up the Union movement for the pack of useless wimps they are.
No, young Doctors, you do not have real support, only the media, for your silly ways – Grow Up.
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January 20, 2017 8:12am
- dime
  
  grow up?
  
  i didnt even realise they were on strike.
  
  they are underpaid though.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:19am
- lifesgood
  
  The thing is they don’t actually WORK the hours they claim. They are on duty which means they get sleep times and rest times during that duty period. The public is often not told the whole story.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:22am
  - Lance
    
    Nice in theory
    Last time I was in A+ E in the small hours of the morning… it was bedlam. Didn’t see a lot of opportunity for doctors to snooze off.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:29am
    - Simon
      
      Should be two separate A&Es .One for all the alcoholic wrecks who in effect self harming. They need to pay. The other A&E for all others.
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:02am
      - kowtow
        
        Simon
        
        I see where you’re coming from .
        
        What about fat bastards who never exercised and “present” with heart attacks ?
        
        Tired drivers who should have rested up before running into a bridge or on coming truck?
        
        Etc
        
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        January 20, 2017 9:29am
      - stephieboy
        
        Simon and Kowtow, anecdotal stuff connected with both of your extensive knowledge and experience of emergency medicine work ?
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:25am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    That’s correct Lifesgood. The unreported aspect of this saga is Deborah Powells income is derived from any increases in wages or benefits that can be negotiated on behalf of the junior doctors. They have very favorable conditions now (far better than their seniors ever had).
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:43am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Performance related pay. She gets more money if the members of her union also get more money. What’s the issue with that?
      
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      January 20, 2017 11:38am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        What’s the issue? Well if the union head (who has a somewhat checkered past) is instigating industrial action in a critical workplace like medicine, purely for her own gain what would you call it?
        
        A lot of the junior doctors I know are opposed to it and to the notion of doctors striking..
        
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        January 20, 2017 4:40pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  They are underpaid. That’s why most of them go to Australia or stop working for public health as soon as possible.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:22am
  - Salacious Crumb
    
    The Australian health system is on borrowed time in its current form. The amount of rorting that goes on under the guise of the “reimbursement” mechanisms has artificially inflated what medical practitioners earn over there but more so, is putting huge pressure on the Medicare and private insurers. It is unsustainable.
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:48am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      So what that it’s on borrowed time. You still get paid better than NZ.
      
      Plus all the private hospitals there that pay better for the same job.
      
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      January 20, 2017 11:14am
  - Paulus
    
    It has often been reported that New Zealand doctors fly to Australia to do weekend duties for enormous hourly wages.
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:50am
    - Garbageman
      
      They don’t even need to go there Paulus my older brother is a Doctor had 2 practices in Auckland gave it all up and now at the ripe old age of 50 only locums in the lower South Island and makes a lot more for doing half of the work he used to, the smaller communities are desperate for GPs and are willing to pay extremely well to acquire their services
      
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      January 20, 2017 11:13am
- Nigel Kearney
  
  They are averaging over $100,000 per year with six weeks annual leave and another six weeks ‘study leave’. A 40 hour week is appropriate when people are working flat out for the whole 40 hours, but in jobs where people are needed on duty but not always busy, more than 40 hours is fine.
  
  Unions want more union members so will always push for shorter hours (or smaller class sizes) in preference to higher salaries.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:34am
  - Disaster Area
    
    I dare you to say this just before your next prostate exam!
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:50am
  - dime
    
    6-7 years of full on study to make a hundred stacks? yikes.
    
    I made that at age 23 flicking cars and partying my ass off!
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:58am
    - kowtow
      
      Shit dime, an image of Swiss Tony jumped into my head.
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:31am
      - dime
        
        haha Dime was a baby faced assassin back then!
        
        like the pacino line in the devils advocate – they never see me coming!
        
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        January 20, 2017 11:24am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Just as well the country isn’t full of ‘dimes’, isn’t it 😉
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:32am
      - kowtow
        
        DTK
        
        We need lots more dimes!
        
        Makes my day most days.
        
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        January 20, 2017 9:56am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Agreed kowtow, but wouldn’t it be a boring life if we were all the same? We have to have the ‘dimes’ to lift us and give us a grin, and the stupidboys to bag and deride. 🙂
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:09am
    - Milhous
      
      dime, thats a minimum starting salary at 24 years old.
      
      they then have pretty much guaranteed employment for 40 years at that rate and can earn up to a million a year as a busy surgeon/radiologist/opthalmologist
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:58am
      - Colville
        
        Milhous
        
        I have been told (yesterday) that consultants covering for the Drs are on circa $300/hr and getting paid 24 hours a day for being on call, not required to actually be in the hospital at all.
        
        That is not bad coin at all.
        
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        January 20, 2017 11:27am
    - stephieboy
      
      dime , you obviously don’t enjoy the hard grind ?
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:26am
      - Stars And Stripes
        
        From reading Dimes comments he never struck me as a homosexual so I doubt it.
        
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        January 20, 2017 11:05am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Show me one person who enjoys the hard grind ffs.
        
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        January 20, 2017 11:16am
      - Garbageman
        
        I think he is more of a Tinder man not Grinder but that’s just me assuming his gender tsk tsk
        
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        January 20, 2017 11:18am
      - dime
        
        smarter not harder stephie 🙂
        
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        January 20, 2017 11:23am
- slightlyrighty
  
  I have it on good authority that the DHBs agreed quickly to the demand for fewer hours. The sticking point is that the DHB position is the Docs get paid the same hourly rate for the hours worked but the RDA wants hourly rates increased to cover the fact thay aren’t working as many hours.
  
  Patient safety looks good in the MSM. Greed, not so much….
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:29am
  - Milhous
    
    I have it on good authority that the decision to strike is very unpopular among a large number of “union ” members. A significant number turned up to work in defiance of the strike and a significant number have resigned from the union.
    
    of the 3000 RMO’s. At least a third are non members or have defied the union
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:01am
    - waikatogirl
      
      It appears the head of the medical union negotiation is trying to make a name for herself.
      When will union members learn that it isn’t about their needs, but their union masters career path.
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:07am
      - Milhous
        
        I may be correct in suggesting that the person/s driving this dispute also own the company which is paid to “engage” the DHB’s in negotiation
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:18am
oldpark

Seems the Clinton News Network ,which masquerades as CNN have hinted there is still a chance for the defeated Democratic/Labour Party to get a defacto President in the White House. All that has to happen,is for Big Donald Trump getting assassinated on his Inauguration Day. A designated Presidential Successor would be appointed, by the worst snake oil President called Obama,the world and USA have ever seen. The about to be an also ran President,has made the World and USA a lot worse and more dangerous now,that when his flap jaws words,conned the voters to get him elected in the first place.
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January 20, 2017 8:15am
- Fletch
  
  Yep, I couldn’t believe when I saw that. I knew the media were low and I didn’t think they could stoop any lower but running a segment on who would take over if Trump and Pence were assassinated on inauguration day is beyond disgusting. Through the whole piece they had a subtitle onscreen, “Disaster could put Obama cabinet member in Oval Office”.
  
  You can’t get much lower.
  
  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/18/cnn-airs-segment-saying-obama-admin-keep-power-trump-pence-blown-inauguration-day/
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:57am
  - Fletch
    
    ps, maybe that is why all the Democrat senators are skipping the inauguration…
    
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    January 20, 2017 11:11am
- Rich Prick
  
  Just like on election night, I will watch CNN’s coverage of the inauguration, but only to see the unrestrained butthurt on the faces of its talking heads. It brings me much, so much joy.
  
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  January 20, 2017 1:15pm
Captain Mainwaring

I wonder if we’ll ever find out the truth about his extradition from Canada, his arrival in NZ (under Labour) and the cause of the fire.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11785635
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January 20, 2017 8:24am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Sorry, deportation.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:33am
  - fernglas
    
    or indeed , if he was the same person who was deported. In opening this discussion on Whaleoil, Slater was guilty of the very journalism he claims to despise; a quick google search, no opportunity for the subject to respond, and putting the boot into someone who had just lost most of his family and himself was fatally injured. It may well be that he is the same guy, and if so, there are legitimate questions to be asked, in a responsible way. That’s not how it was done.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:53am
    - godruelf
      
      Seems kind of strange though that AFAIK no one has denied that he was the one deported and the story has been round long enough now. I’m sure if it wasn’t correct Deborah Manning and the like would have been ripping into Whale and our host.
      
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      January 20, 2017 4:00pm
    - Jack5
      
      Wrong, Fernglas. This is a case of a news blackout by the mainstream media, State electronic media, the Left, and the whole of the local network of the social justice warrior network.
      
      After warfare in Toronto between gangs of Sri Lankan Tamil refugees, in which more than a dozen are killed, a gang leader called Kaileshan Thanabalasingham at age 36 is deported from Canada in 2006. He was known among Toronto Tamils as “Kailesh”.
      
      A man called Kaileshan Thanabalasingham turns up in NZ around 2006 as Sri Lankan refugee and becomes secretary of the Refugee Council of NZ Inc.
      
      In December 2016, Kaileshan Thanabalasingham suffers injuries (from which he has just died at age 47) in a fire in his house. His wife, son, and mother-in-law died. His father-in-law and son survive.
      
      Last week, a fire investigation team reported that it was unable to establish the cause of the fire.
      
      Meanwhile, on the Givealittle crowd fund raising site, an appeal has raised $81,870 for the survivors. The appeal seems to be promoted by a group, Refugees as Survivors New Zealand. On the fund-raising page, the group refers to Kaileshan Thanabalasingham as “Kailesh”.
      
      Interestingly, the promotion page contains a reference from civil rights lawyer Deborah Manning, well known from her part of obtaining residency for former Algerian Islamicist politician Ahmed Zaoui. She says:
      
      “”Khailesh is one of those people who you can always count on. He’s very giving and very hardworking and very principled and highly ethical.”
      
      The MSM, the Left, and social justice warriordom seem to have colluded in stifling with silence any attempts to prove or disprove whether the Refugee Council’s Kailesh Thanabalasingham is the same person as the Toronto gang leader Kailesh Thanabalasingham.
      
      Good on Whale for speaking up.
      
      http://www.tamilcanadian.com/article/3931
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11780523
      
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      January 20, 2017 4:08pm
      - Jack5
        
        It needs to be asked also whether the fatal Auckland house fire could in any way have been some long-distance international gang hit.
        
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        January 20, 2017 4:30pm
      - Captain Mainwaring
        
        A brilliant post Jack5. Thank you.
        
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        January 20, 2017 8:59pm
      - fernglas
        
        If by now Mr Oil was able to prove his conjectures, I am sure he would have done so. He hasn’t. Fake news.
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:06pm
Keeping Stock

I’m no fan of President-elect Trump, but it’s going to be such fun over the next few days. Watching the democracy-loving Leftie lose their collective shit because they don’t like what democracy dished up is going to be a great source of amusement 😎
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January 20, 2017 8:24am
- alex Masterley
  
  If you believe everything in the media in 24 hours modern civilisation ends.
  For what it is worth my thinking is that the more things change the more they stay the same.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:28am
  - cmm
    
    Hopefully the MSM manipulation of modern civilization ends.
    
    You can understand their grief. They tried really hard. Their time is up.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:38am
  - Manolo
    
    stephieboy will be over soon to remind us Armageddon is imminent, and Trump the devil incarnate.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:58am
    - holysheet
      
      Head banging rhythm.
      I must bag Trump on KB today
      I must bag Trump on KB today
      I must bag Trump on KB today
      I must bag Trump on KB today
      I must bag Trump on KB today
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:00am
      - stephieboy
        
        Holysheet ,
        
        Why not ?
        
        I must bag the outgoing President on KB today !
        I must bag the outgoing President on KB today !
        must bag the outgoing President on KB today!
        must bag the outgoing President on KB today !
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:27am
      - holysheet
        
        Stupidboy, you left out the rhythm of your head banging.
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:31am
- Lance
  
  The only glimmer of hope is Trump seems (ah hemm) to be appointing some good people around him (apart from relatives and extended family).
  If they can keep him under control and actual do the grown up stuff…
  
  As I said… a glimmer of hope.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:33am
  - cmm
    
    So why should Trump not be appointing some extended family:
    
    1) All presidents have done that somewhere along the line.
    
    2) Many of Trump’s entourage are highly capable and well proven business people – unlike many of the family members of other presidents.
    
    3) He has been shanked by both sides getting here. Right now he needs people he can trust. He can change appointments to others when they show they are prepared to work with him.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:43am
    - MCos
      
      I would dispute your first point.
      Do you have some examples?
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:02am
      - Nukuleka
        
        Surely the most obvious example is JFK appointing Robert Kennedy as his Attorney General. Are you still disputing?
        
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        January 20, 2017 9:30am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Some examples here
        
        http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2016/11/presidential-nepotism-debate-goes-back-to-the-founders-time/
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:22am
      - MCos
        
        There’s been 44 Presidents.
        So far you’ve been able to come up with a few examples, but nowhere near the ‘all presidents’ in the original claim.
        Sort of negates your second point too.
        
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        January 20, 2017 1:29pm
    - Disaster Area
      
      With respect to your second point, have you seen the video of Bernie Sanders asking Betsy DeVos if she thought she’d have been nominated for Education Secretary if her family hadn’t donated $200,000,000 to the Republican Party.
      Elizabeth Warren got her to admit that she was completely unqualified for the position.
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:18am
      - Ed Snack
        
        And Ol’ Focahontas is completely unqualified as well. Betsy de Vos’s problem is that she has spent a lot of time and effort trying to obtain better education for the poor and minorities…..and that is just not acceptable to the left. They need them uneducated so they will continue to vote left !
        
        The Dems at this point are just dancing to one of their major paymasters, the “education” unions, terms.
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:23am
    - Gabby
      
      That’s the thin end of the wedge to insert hereditary cmmism in the West.
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:31am
  - MCos
    
    Speaking of ‘good people’, I note that he has appointed a major donor to be Ambassador to the UK after criticising Obama for oppointing major donors to important Ambassadorships.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:47am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Its different when the left do it.
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:15am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Just as an after thought, I’m not sure I want the leader of the free world to be someone who needs the statement ‘If they can keep him under control and actual do the grown up stuff…’ said about them.
    
    Doesn’t that worry people just a tiny bit?
    
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    January 20, 2017 9:30am
- G152
  
  Watching the snow flakes melt will be my delight.
  And the overcrowded of ‘safe spaces’
  What happens to those idiots when they get into the real world
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:34am
  - holysheet
    
    better wear your earplugs over the coming few days
    
    https://stressfreekids.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/meltdown-mother.png
    
    https://sacredstruggler.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/screaming-kid.jpg
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:58am
  - jonar
    
    Guess you missed this article. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/16/snowflake-in-chief-donald-trump
    
    Come on guys, lets hear your opinion if a Labour MP or Green MP was sad enough to go crying to twitter every time they got criticised. Then compare that to the free pass you’re giving Trump for being a snowfake.
    
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    January 20, 2017 9:57am
    - holysheet
      
      When you have the MSM anti trump, how else is he going to get the truth out there for us to see.
      The snowflakes tried to cut him out of any news unless it was “fake news”. All this made up shit for them and all other snowflakes to believe.
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:06am
    - Komata
      
      Clever, but, as you no doubt know, the Guardian is the UK version of the Washington Post et al; it has a vested interest in deriding and ridiculing ‘The Donald’ – despite the fact that it lives on the other side of the pond.
      
      As it with its New Zealand equivalent/s the ‘Herald and DomPost, it is anything but the ‘neutral’ publication it pretends to be and for the majority of those interested in political matters, its comments tend to be discounted.
      
      Their ‘authority’ is diminishing as we speak…
      
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      January 20, 2017 11:20am
      - jonar
        
        Ok I get it, so rather than address their arguments you’re going to dismiss them with a logical fallacy.
        
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        January 20, 2017 1:52pm
- kowtow
  
  He’s not even in yet and he’s burnt the planet to a crisp!
  
  And note this is being done in partnership with other commie publications.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2017/jan/19/global-warning-live-from-the-climate-change-frontline-as-trump-becomes-president
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow , whats a ” commie ” ?
    
    Anyone whom you simply disagree ?
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:32am
    - Komata
      
      And once again the stephieboy on duty reveals his lack of knowledge in such matters.
      
      If you have to ask the question old chap you have no ‘political awareness’ at all, and your age (and origins) are definitely showing!!
      
      Perhaps someone else may care to enlighten you although I doubt that you’ll understand…
      
      FWIW, and BTW, the second sentence needs the addition of at least one word, and the removal of possibly another to make it into anything coherent.
      
      Someone else may also help, but again I don’t think you’d understand. Nuances old chap, nuances..
      
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      January 20, 2017 11:26am
- Paulus
  
  You know that Democracy only works when Socialists win.
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:53am
Happychappy

People that don’t think a CEO or others that have worked hard to achieve degrees to hopefully set them on the road to prosperity should earn the money they do. Well the left will show their hypocrisy I bet when they read the salary of just over $600,ooo.oo that one of their former Labour MP Steve Maharey was paid as Chancellor of Massey University. In my opinion this man had the quality to be a labour leader and maybe would have been a Labour Prime Minster by now if he had stayed.
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January 20, 2017 8:33am
- Inandout
  
  Maharey just found a trough with richer food than being an MP.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:44am
  - Lance
    
    So running a university is a trougher job?
    Devoid of skill?
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:57am
    - Inandout
      
      Vice Chancellors are like kings, and the underlings actually run the place. He had his critics as well.
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:13am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout, so we can take it you could fulfil the role wease peasy ?
        
        Critics ? Such as ?
        
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        January 20, 2017 9:35am
      - waikatogirl
        
        Bryan Gould certainly took to wearing the crown and saw himself above the underlings as VC at Waikato.
        
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        January 20, 2017 9:47am
    - Dave Mann
      
      Its not a university… its an ex-agricultural school masquerading as a university and giving out fake PC ‘degrees’ for money.
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:43am
  - kowtow
    
    What trough , please elaborate.
    
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    January 20, 2017 9:59am
- cmm
  
  “In my opinion this man had the quality to be a labour leader and maybe would have been a Labour Prime Minster by now if he had stayed.”
  
  While he might be capable, the unions would not have him. He’s a sociologist specialising in “social change and cultural studies”.
  
  If you’re not a unionist you’re stuffed.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:49am
  - Happychappy
    
    You would have to say as a minister in the last Labour Government he was one of their better MP’s.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:58am
    - Rich Prick
      
      Yes, I’ll give you that. But to be fair, the competition wasn’t that great.
      
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      January 20, 2017 9:55am
- Komata
  
  HC
  
  But Mr Maharey would be portrayed as a socialist saint who had the courage to overcome the degenerate Capitalist intelligencia and, by playing them at their own game, shows the comrades the triumph of ‘The Cause’ over the evil, Western capitalist running dog plutocracy etc. etc. etc.
  
  He will, of course, be totally rehabilitated and welcomed back into the socialist fold in triumph…
  
  It’s the way that the NZ|LP does things….
  
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  January 20, 2017 11:51am
Manolo

Changes afoot:
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/314991-trump-team-prepares-dramatic-cuts

Staffers for the Trump transition team have been meeting with career staff at the White House ahead of Friday’s presidential inauguration to outline their plans for shrinking the federal bureaucracy, The Hill has learned.

The changes they propose are dramatic.

The departments of Commerce and Energy would see major reductions in funding, with programs under their jurisdiction either being eliminated or transferred to other agencies. The departments of Transportation, Justice and State would see significant cuts and program eliminations.

The Corporation for Public Broadcasting would be privatised, while the National Endowment for the Arts and National Endowment for the Humanities would be eliminated entirely.
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January 20, 2017 8:48am
oldpark

Just read an article about a tennis player called Serena Willams in Melbourne demanding an apology from a journalist who had the temerity to make a fair comment about her not so good play in the second round. Wonder did she apologise to the Stanley Street tennis fraternity,when after it was alleged she got a cool indirectly one Million Dollars for playing a game of tennis with 88 unforced errors,she then fled NZ .Wonder did she apologise,for such an insult.
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January 20, 2017 8:48am
- calendar girl
  
  Spot-on, oldpark.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:35am
- Nukuleka
  
  Sorry, I upticked that instead of giving it the downtick your nasty comment deserved. She was being asked about a hard won game she just won against a very good opponent and she quite rightly balked at the rudeness of the journalist’s tone. Don’t conflate this situation with another which is entirely irrelevant. Also deal in facts and not ‘allegations’. How I loathe snideness.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:44am
- Longknives
  
  She is a revolting individual- Behaves like a petulant child wherever she goes..
  It astounds me that the Organisers of the NZ Tournament couldn’t see the train-wreck coming?
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:26am
Padriv Ustoev

Very sad turn of events for my nephew in Australia.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/88598355/campbellfield-driveby-victim-from-melbourne-crime-family-shot-in-penis

I don’t support his lifestyle but very sad time for the family and for him. Shot right in the hrum but on the bright side it prevented a fatal shot to the stomach, as he had his hrum tucked in the waist band of his trainers. The doctors report that if he had not done that the bullet would have hit the liver and he would most likely die.
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January 20, 2017 8:51am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  If you start up a give-a-little page you might be able to raise enough to send your nephew to Baltimore for Penile reconstruction
  http://edition.cnn.com/2012/12/06/health/penile-reconstruction/
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:09am
- Manolo
  
  Some nubile girls reading him selected verses of the holy Quran will console him, don’t you think?
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:11am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    What nubile girl would want him with only half a hrum? What can she do with 21cm?
    
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    January 20, 2017 9:43am
- holysheet
  
  typical of you showing off about the size of your family jewels.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:12am
- slightlyrighty
  
  Must have been a skilled marksman….
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:33am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    I heard they brought in a guy from Syria especially for the hit.
    
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    January 20, 2017 9:44am
  - holysheet
    
    anything that size doesn’t need a marksman to hit.
    
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    January 20, 2017 11:58am
- kowtow
  
  Padriv ,
  
  Our contribution to the multicultural vibrancy of Melbourne has not gone un noticed in the international media.
  
  “Dutton said recent action against New Zealand man Henry Robati, 19, and Sudanese national Issac Gatkuoth, 19, is ‘certainly the start of more’ action against young thugs committing crime ‘against Australians’.”
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4134752/Peter-Dutton-warns-deport-African-Apex-members.html
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:48am
  - holysheet
    
    Just as I thought, the immigrants from somalia are still there. While the native piece of shit has been welcomed back home by Kelvin Davis as the return of a lost voter. When do we see a discrimination claim against the Auz Govt for being so blatant?
    
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    January 20, 2017 11:38am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Melbournian goats will be breathing a sigh of relief.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:55am
Inandout

A bargain safe room that can hold up to 12 snowflakes. Guaranteed Trump-proof. Or better ones can hold up to 22 flakes.

http://elephantsaferoom.com/product/safe-room/6-feet-wide-safe-rooms/

Buy now in time for the end of the world as we know it.
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January 20, 2017 8:57am
- Rich Prick
  
  The question is, do they lock from the outside?
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:00am
  - Inandout
    
    I am sure MacGyver will find a way to make it so.
    
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    January 20, 2017 11:04am
lastmanstanding

Justice Kit Toogood is hearing the NZ rend of a $! USBillion plus money laundering case involving Trusts worth NZ$230M today.

So much for all those who said NZ Trusts werent a problem. Tip of the iceberg as some of us have warned for years. When you allow nondisclosure of the source of assets nondisclosure of the actual settlors and beneficaries then you have a problem with cross border money laundering and tax evasion.

So many Kiwis are so naive when it comes to the world of international crimes involving money laundering including our Government. The crooks cant believe their luck.

And it aint a victimless crime. Think where the proceeds in the Trusts may have come from. Tax evasion for one means all honest taxpayer are paying more. Theft of cash funds or goods converted into cash funds the list goes on and on.

So to the morons who bashed those of us demanding the Gumint sort this out Told you so!!!!!
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January 20, 2017 9:00am
- Gabby
  
  There’s still hope that the police can lose the evidence, then we can go back to being least corrupt country INDAWORL.
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:44am
- marcw
  
  So all those ‘secret trusts’ were a big problem to NZ’s reputation. I think Justice Toogood will be proving that just as the Government said, there is no secrecy, and the required disclosure means that if you are breaking the laws you will get caught.
  
  Secret … not so much.
  
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  January 20, 2017 12:55pm
  - Gabby
    
    If he knows what’s good for him.
    
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    January 20, 2017 2:57pm
Lance

ISIS claim another bombing attempt

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11785665
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January 20, 2017 9:03am
- Disaster Area
  
  If they thought it would get them more publicity, they’d probably claim this one as well:
  https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/19/wwii-bomb-discovery-closes-waterloo-and-westminster-bridges
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:24am
Simon

The next 24 hrs will be brilliant entertainment. It will be a feast.

Sit back and enjoy
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January 20, 2017 9:05am
- stephieboy
  
  Simon, you are of course referring to the Trumpanzee tea party following ?
  
  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfUwYpQWAAEYlvN.jpg
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:39am
  - Rich Prick
    
    No, he means the Coronation of the King of America and the Free World. If you don’t like it, I hear Somalia is quite nice this time of year, I think you’d like it there.
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:04am
  - holysheet
    
    As opposed to your average killary/obumma supporter?
    
    http://www.hotfail.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/jenius_460.jpg
    
    It’s “G ” you idiot
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:14am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Nope, the chimp is LEAVING the White House.
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:28am
    - stephieboy
      
      ED Snack nope this Chimp ENTERING the White House ,
      https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-MLYIxZtnad8/V6XnmdfezXI/AAAAAAABGCU/5s2RfXU9au4TNpUJXXwYyflloVtt7a_QwCLcB/s1600/Trumpanzee-thinking.jpg
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:38am
      - holysheet
        
        Stupidboy the sky fairy cannot be wrong surely?
        
        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/scHCsDTu1_0/hqdefault.jpg
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:48am
      - Inandout
        
        You hypocrite. Obviously you found this offensive when it was first published, but of course anything is OK with Trump.
        
        https://graneyandthepig.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/michelleobamaracist.jpg
        
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        January 20, 2017 11:09am
BarryB

Ive been thinking about the story yesterday about the propsed change in the HSA act – or safety rules.

Yes it might seen crazy that a union organiser would want to change the safety laws – but actually at the heart of the safety rules there are a lot of stupid and useless rules that should be chucked out.

These latest rules sort of infantilise the population. They assume we are all brainless infants who should never be allowed – nor have we the brains – to actually be responsible for ourselves.

For example there should be an ‘Out” clause so that in the case of peop-le who are stupid enough to want to go into the Pike mine that they can sign an “out” document that makes totally reliable for their own safety and they would be liable for all costs should something negative happen and they would ask for help. It would also make all other parties and people (eg: directors) immune from and responsibility or liability or anything else.
It would also allow people to go back into their home after some little shitbag bureaucrat slaps a red sticker on their house after an earthquake.
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January 20, 2017 9:08am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Could you give a couple of examples of “stupid and useless rules that should be chucked out”? Preferably by providing a link to the rule itself, rather than the “evidence” that is often provided in support of allegations like this – “Some bloke told me that H & S rules mean I have to do x y and z”?
  
  I’ve no doubt you feel confident and competent enough to sign an “Out” clause and take responsibility for your own safety and the consequences of your own decisions. The problem with an “out” clause is that unscrupulous employers would be able to force employees in a weak bargaining position to sign it if they want to keep their jobs, thus absolving themselves of any responsibility.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:25am
  - Colville
    
    Albert Ross.
    
    Exactly.
    
    Boss says to his guys, “we cant compete on this job unless we take out the cost to scaffold it so you guys are painting off ladders, sign here or no job”
    
    Angry Andy would have no problem with this of course.
    
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    January 20, 2017 9:51am
  - BarryB
    
    Certainly. The rules that are used for red stickers on buildings are based on the likely-hood that the building will suffer more damage SHOULD THERE BE ANOTHER EARTHQUAKE.
    Well that is possible with EVERY building during every earthquake.
    
    If you want to waste time have a look at the Building Act 2004 and all the amendments.
    
    NONE of the houses around Kaikoura have falling in subsequent shakes yet there were several occasions when home owners wanted to get important documents out but were threatened with a charge of attempted homicide (yes – even of themselves!) You cant even go back for medical equipment (that you need) ! bloody stupid.
    
    And there are may silly little things. eg: A trademan must wear his safety boots inside a private home (no matter how dirty the boots). You get a sparky to come fix a fuse and hes just come from a farm.
    There is absolutely no need for such stupidity. Yes he could have a second pair – but the cost goes up – and its not in anyway a reasonable requirement. If we all wore safety boots inside our home for safety reason then it makes sense – but really.
    
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    January 20, 2017 12:56pm
- Lance
  
  So who pays for medical expenses, years of rehab and compo?
  Even if they are billed (yea right) they will most likely quickly go broke and be dependent on the state AKA tax payers.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:48am
- Paulus
  
  I assume that the Unions have never heard of Contributory Negligence – it’s always the nasty bosses fault.
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:58am
Manolo

Champagne socialist. From obscure community organiser to multi-millionaire:
On Jan. 20, Donald Trump will be sworn in as the 45th president of the United States and the Barack Obama era will officially come to an end. While his net worth is nowhere near that of his successor, Mr. Obama will leave office a very rich man.

Based on a recent study by American University in Washington, D.C., the Obamas could stand to make as much as $242 million once leaving the White House.
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January 20, 2017 9:46am
- Albert_Ross
  
  Are you perhaps under the impression that people should undertake the duties, burdens and responsibility of President of the United States for free?
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:55am
Lance

Hell Manolo
I wold sell out my principles for half that amount
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January 20, 2017 9:49am
- Manolo
  
  Ah, but only the Messiah can claim ideological purity and sincere concern for the destitute and oppressed.
  
  He shall sacrifice and enrich himself for the poor black fellas in his native Chicago.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:52am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, so you think outgoing Presidents should all take the vows of poverty etc
    
    http://churchlife.nd.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Kestermeier-Poverty-crop.jpg
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:00am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Did you hear the rumour, that he intends to use some of his windfall profits to open a home for the mentally unstable, aimed particularly at the socialistic left wing deranged?
    
    Stephen Boyle would be an ideal inmate – there would be an increase in sanity in both nations. 😉
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:02am
    - stephieboy
      
      Don the Kiwi,
      
      For you,
      
      http://www.childneurologyfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AwarenessLogoWeek.jpg
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:06am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        No thanks stephie. I don’t fancy spending even a small part of my day with you.
        
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        January 20, 2017 10:12am
    - Gabby
      
      I heard he was setting up an international trust for removing donkey wee stains from pub walls.
      
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      January 20, 2017 10:50am
    - Komata
      
      DtK
      
      No, I didn’t hear that one, BUT I did hear that, in total accordance with his ideological and religious beliefs, the departing Presedente’ was going to break down the walls around his new (gated community) home and invite several dozen Syrian, Muslim refugees to take up residence, for no rent and with a permanent supply of halalled’ food laid on.
      
      How true the rumour is I cannot say, but if the Tui and pig flying backwards past my window as I type this are correct there must be some basis for it.
      
      Perhaps someone should tell CNN?
      
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      January 20, 2017 11:33am
  - Gabby
    
    Well, ideological purity costs double.
    
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    January 20, 2017 10:51am
EAD

Loving the Donald at work with some classic dog whistling from in his Pre inauguration speech.

“Patrick McHenry…… isn’t that a good patriotic sounding name” (unlike say Guillermo Rodriguez or La’Shonda Oogabooga)

“I have the highest IQ cabinet ever assembled” (because it’s all huwhite men).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/19/trump-toasts-his-nominees-by-far-the-highest-iq-of-any-cabinet-ever-assembled/
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January 20, 2017 10:12am
holysheet

USA Today announced its VR news show back in March and tomorrow it will offer a more immersive look at the Presidential Inauguration. As President-elect Donald Trump is sworn in as the 45th President of the United States, USA Today’s “VRtually There” program will provide coverage from the Capitol, National Mall and along the inaugural parade route. The livestream will begin at 9:30AM ET when VIP guests take their seats and scheduled music performances begin. To watch, all you have to do is fire up the YouTube app on you VR headset of choice. If you don’t have one, the “VRtually There” coverage will be available as 360-degree video for desktop and mobile users.
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January 20, 2017 10:24am
EAD

I fear the worst but let’s hope not:

http://journal-neo.org/2017/01/09/is-trump-the-back-door-man-for-henry-a-kissinger-co/
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January 20, 2017 10:25am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , just wait and see with the big possibilty of Trump falling out with Russia and China over Iran .
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:41am
holysheet

Just for you snowflakes. How to follow your messiah into oblivion.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/19/barack-michelle-obama-social-media-handover/
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January 20, 2017 10:27am
cha

Well known leftie Tom Nichols –

a direct attack on the American political system by the Russian Government

https://youtu.be/2qiXA3uDTGE?t=2m40s
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January 20, 2017 10:29am
- Andrei
  
  Tin foil hat territory Cha
  
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  January 20, 2017 11:14am
  - stephieboy
    
    Andrei, not at all.View it and consider the fact with but one example ,the fake news , about the US transferring nuclear missiles from Turkey to Romania.
    
    I will remind Reid to see it himself and let the Saker know .
    
    Ok ?
    
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    January 20, 2017 3:20pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Andrei,
    
    I watched the entire thing and I have to disagree – there was no tinfoil in sight. However, I can understand why you want to label it as such. 🙂
    
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    January 20, 2017 6:30pm
Happychappy

I see the power of the Union within Labour winning again in the regions with the election of local organiser of First Union Rachel Boyack securing the nomination for the 2017 General Election.
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January 20, 2017 10:40am
- Gabby
  
  It’s crappy of Labour to not even look for some nice well-heeled chappy with a background in slum landlording or sweatshop management to represent The People. Are they trying to deprive tobacco industry shills of opportunities?
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:57am
  - B.L.Zeebub
    
    You`re out of bed early today Buttplug.
    
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    January 20, 2017 11:41am
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Didn’t you mean ‘Buttplugged’ ?
      
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      January 20, 2017 12:15pm
      - B.L.Zeebub
        
        No
        
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        January 20, 2017 12:21pm
      - Gabby
        
        No, Bleedybum always has a chat with his buttplug once he’s taken a shit and wiped off the donkey wee.
        
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        January 20, 2017 2:46pm
    - Gabby
      
      Thank God nuttyanal found a place for that nice Wee Toddy Baccy, is all I can say.
      
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      January 20, 2017 2:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Auckland City Council has a blacklist of “difficult” customers.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/88500978/this-man-is-on-auckland-councils-blacklist
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January 20, 2017 10:57am
Fletch

Copied from a thread further up the page …

I knew the media were low and I didn’t think they could stoop any lower but CNN running a segment on who would take over if Trump and Pence were assassinated on inauguration day is beyond disgusting. Through the whole piece they had a subtitle onscreen, “Disaster could put Obama cabinet member in Oval Office”.

You can’t get much lower.

Maybe that is why most of the Dem senators aren’t attending.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/01/18/cnn-airs-segment-saying-obama-admin-keep-power-trump-pence-blown-inauguration-day/
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January 20, 2017 11:12am
- Disaster Area
  
  Of course its different when the left do it:
  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/sarah-palin/3405336/Sarah-Palin-blamed-by-the-US-Secret-Service-for-death-threats-against-Barack-Obama.html
  
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  January 20, 2017 11:51am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , Breitbart the fake news outlet that claimed to expose the Clinton / Podesta ring at the Comet Ping Pong .
  
  Also another fake story in the making it seems by Roger Stone and his alledged Polonium poisoning .
  
  Heh,heh ,heh …..
  
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  January 20, 2017 3:26pm
Fletch

Family First’s campaign to boycott TV3 advertisers for intending to show 50 Shades Of Grey, an R18 movie that promotes sexual sadism, at the family-friendly time of 8.30pm this weekend.

http://us2.campaign-archive1.com/?u=0cd68702160c587ec85116fce&id=c910443431
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January 20, 2017 11:18am
- dime
  
  terrible motion picture.
  
  Dime watched it. it was basically about a rich stalker.
  
  the only bit worth whacking to was the contract negotiation scene.. my god.
  
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  January 20, 2017 11:43am
- Disaster Area
  
  I don’t watch terrestrial TV because of the adverts: I get annoyed by the way the programmes keep interrupting the advert breaks.
  
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  January 20, 2017 12:04pm
- Lance
  
  G.O.T was far more raunchy that that silly movie
  
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  January 20, 2017 12:39pm
Peter

The KB General threads are most interesting “news” reads in the country. Read it every day.

Just want to say thanks 🙂
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January 20, 2017 11:23am
Fletch

America dodged a bullet in both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. According to Sanders, America is not a compassionate country, and is worse that virtually any country on earth.

For those who might have missed it Wednesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders questioned Rep. Tom Price, President-elect Trump’s pick to head the Department of Health and Human Services. During the Health, Education, Labor, and Pension (HELP) Committee confirmation hearing, Sanders had the temerity to tell Price that America is “not a compassionate society.” What’s more, according to Sanders, we are “worse than virtually any other country on earth” when it comes to how we treat the poor and working class.

The comment came when Sanders questioned the HHS nominee on whether he believed health care is “a right of all Americans whether they’re rich or they’re poor.” In response, Price began to explain that “we’re a compassionate society,” before Sanders interrupted him with his factually inaccurate, America-loathing screed:

“No, we’re not a compassionate society in terms of our relationship to poor and working people. Our record is worse than virtually any other country on earth. We have the highest rate of childhood poverty than any other major country on earth and half of our senior, older workers have nothing set aside for retirement. So I don’t think compared to other countries we are particularly compassionate.”

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/bernie-sanders-america-not-compassionate-nation-worse-virtually-any-other-country-earth

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3cgYoEubRA

Sanders also tweeted the same thing before quickly deleting it.

https://twitter.com/lachlan/status/822150877486190596/photo/1
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January 20, 2017 11:25am
- Disaster Area
  
  When it comes to health care, you have to admit that he has a point. The USA spends more than almost every other OECD country on health care, yet doesn’t have universal healthcare.
  
  http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/06/heres-a-map-of-the-countries-that-provide-universal-health-care-americas-still-not-on-it/259153/
  
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  January 20, 2017 11:59am
- Albert_Ross
  
  So is the contention that this statement is factually inaccurate (according to what source?) or that it is not evidence that the US is not a compassionate society?
  
  [The US has] the highest rate of childhood poverty than any other major country on earth and half of its senior, older workers have nothing set aside for retirement.
  
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  January 20, 2017 2:36pm
- Gabby
  
  Poor Pwice, cut off in mid questionevading shitflow.
  
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  January 20, 2017 2:43pm
Komata

Fletch

If you have bought into the ‘Socialist paradise’ meme (and haven’t visited either Venezuela, North Korea, or Communist China; to name three such paridii) you become absolutely convinced that (1) such a place exists and (2) the stories about such places being anything BUT paradii (except for ‘Those who rule’) are total fabrications put about by the … (Insert ‘usual suspect’ of choice). Mr Sanders is definitely a ‘True believer’ and as such his statements are totally in accordance with this belief.

Rose-coloured glasses are such a useful fashion accessory, especially if they are only viewed through one eye…
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January 20, 2017 11:42am
Ross12

I’m not sure whether this is a reflection of poor journalism , poor education standards , poor editing or all three. A very simple example ( and might think it trivial) :
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/sheep/88608292/new-zealands-sheep-numbers-continue-to-fall

In the article the stats guy is quoted as saying the number of sheep in NZ has fallen from 22/person to 6/person since the 1982. You would think that someone would have thought about our increased population since and recalculated. ( Probably far to hard for them to look up when supplementary minimum prices were abolished! ).
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January 20, 2017 11:48am
dime

Good to see the Don already has his 2020 slogan sorted.

“keep america great”.

its genius. the dems will go apeshit and spend their campaign in negativity mode – we arent great because… typical leftie shit that people ar ereally starting to hate.
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January 20, 2017 12:01pm
Manolo

Multiculturalism Aussie-style. By the way, the photo in the article will thrill stephieboy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4135024/Peter-Dutton-praises-controversial-Australia-Day-banner.html

Immigration Minister Peter Dutton has hailed a controversial Australia Day billboard featuring two girls in hijabs for ’embracing Australian values’.

The image, which shows the girls smiling and holding Australian flags, was taken at Melbourne’s Docklands last year and was part of a Victorian government campaign.
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January 20, 2017 12:08pm
- LisaGinNZ
  
  “…but almost all scholars agree that a woman’s hair should be covered. The covering of cloth is supposed to keep the sexual appetites of passing men at bay when women travel outside the home. This might even save a woman’s life, since she is usually assumed to bear the responsibility of unlawful sexual encounters and thus subject to stoning.”
  
  … from The Religion Of Peace
  
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  January 20, 2017 2:31pm
  - Gabby
    
    The muzzers aren’t buying that ‘if thine eye offend thee pluck it out’ malarky.
    
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    January 20, 2017 2:39pm
cha

Boy bunter wants his money back.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dennis-hastert-demands-hush-money-back-alleged-abuse-victim-article-1.2950711
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January 20, 2017 12:43pm
LisaGinNZ

If interested, C-span.org has the pre-inaugural concert from the Lincoln Memorial. I’m listening/watching. The USA military bands are out standing.
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January 20, 2017 1:10pm
- cha
  
  Oh fuck, Lex Luther’s there, too.
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  https://www.instagram.com/p/BPdyOHdjKaG/
  
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  January 20, 2017 1:48pm
- stephieboy
  
  What’s the asking price for theatrical tear kits and clapping machines ?
  
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  January 20, 2017 3:29pm
- Komata
  
  LisaG
  
  Thank you; I agree; the bands are certainly outstanding.
  
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  January 20, 2017 4:13pm
Manolo

The figures do not lie:
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/obama-leaves-usa-9335000000000-deeper-debt

President Barack Obama will leave the federal government approximately $9,335,000,000,000 deeper in debt than it was when he took office eight years ago, according to data released today by the U.S. Treasury.

The debt had increased under Obama far more than was accumulated by any previous president. It equals nearly twice as much as the $4,889,100,310,609.44 that piled up during the eight years of George W. Bush.
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January 20, 2017 1:51pm
- Pateke
  
  Small matter of the global financial crisis ignored
  
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  January 20, 2017 2:38pm
jonar

Life Accordion To Trump
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S65jqrHQi_c
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January 20, 2017 1:53pm
publicwatchdog

errr …. why would the good people of Mt Albert vote for their MP someone who is already an MP?

Both Jacinda Adern and Julie-Anne Genter are already MPs.

How about a really decisive protest vote against the rorts, ripoffs and corruption, which have helped transform New Zealand into a corrupt, polluted tax haven, and vote into the House the proven anti-corruption (and anti-privatisation) campaigner, who has ‘blown the whistle till her eyeballs bled’ (as it were), persistently and consistently for the last TEN years?

I’m not an MP (yet).

But what better way to help make a fuss about corruption than to vote Independent candidate Penny Bright MP for Mt Albert?

I’m not a member of ANY political party.

I’ll ‘hit the ground running’.

No sitting in the House quietly ‘breathing in through my nose’.

I’ll be breathing out through my nose.

FIRE!

Parliament won’t know what the hell hit it 🙂

Penny Bright

Proven ‘anti-privatisation / anti-corruption campaigner’.

2017 Independent candidate Mt Albert by-election.
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January 20, 2017 2:14pm
- rangitoto
  
  I’m voting for Miss Genter.
  
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  January 20, 2017 2:18pm
  - RalphT
    
    I’d vote for anyone who isn’t Penny Bright.
    
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    January 20, 2017 2:34pm
- Garbageman
  
  Best you trim those nose hairs then Penny otherwise people will think an octopus is trying to escape while you breath that FIRE! out of your nose, now about those unpaid rates ?
  
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  January 20, 2017 2:37pm
- Rich Prick
  
  I’ll hit the ground …
  
  What, like this?
  
  http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000DuJZLUX3ljM/fit=250×250/fill=/g=G0000c68Dh5eYlH4/I0000DuJZLUX3ljM.jpg
  
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  January 20, 2017 2:58pm
  - sooty
    
    Hit the ground running scared!
    
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    January 20, 2017 3:28pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  errr …. why would the good people of Mt Albert vote for their MP someone who is already batshit crazy and a rates dodger and serial litigant?
  
  (“Political Satire”)
  
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  January 20, 2017 3:46pm
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  Back in reality; even though you are fully capable of supporting yourself your narcissistic delusions will see you continue (until you die) to be a parasite on tax(including rates)-paying NZers, who dearly wish you would fuck off/shut up and stop freeloading. You are lower than a snakes arsehole.
  
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  January 20, 2017 4:11pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Parliament won’t know what the hell hit it
  
  “Smoke rose from her nostrils;
  consuming fire came from her mouth,
  burning coals blazed out of it……
  
  The valleys of the sea were exposed
  and the foundations of the earth laid bare
  at your rebuke, PWD
  at the blast of breath from your nostrils.”
  
  (with apologies to King David)
  
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  January 20, 2017 4:14pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  ” Parliament won’t know what the hell hit it ”
  
  After decades of Winston they recognise a liar and thief… they’ll know.
  
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  January 20, 2017 5:22pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
  Steve N/S
  Attendee Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
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  January 20, 2017 5:42pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Penny dear, just give it up.
  You are outclassed mentally and aesthetically.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:14pm
- simpleton1
  
  Proven ‘anti-privatisation / anti-corruption campaigner’.
  
  Yeah right, follow the money to a proven dog, that takes the bone.
  
  In another brilliant showing of respect for democracy, Penny completely ignored the G.A. rules that it must approve all funds before they are released (over $100) by usurping the last $200+ in the bank account, without G.A. approval, ostensibly with the help of “Chris Glen” who was on the finance committee and was also a bank signatory.
  
  https://occupysavvy.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/penny-bright-fails-to-co-opt-occupy-auckland-again/
  
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  January 21, 2017 9:57am
Inandout

I heard on radio a visiting American tourist who said despite what you read and hear, there is a feeling of excitement at the new era the presidential election election has brought.

This call was followed by a yank called ‘Harmony’ who has lived in NZ for years. As a greenie and lefty he of course did not agree with the other American, and rather denigrated him. It was refreshing though to get a positive view rather than the whining we normally get from our resident ex Americans.
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January 20, 2017 2:17pm
- stephieboy
  
  I take there is this wide feeling and expectation that the rapture is about to begin ?
  
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  January 20, 2017 3:32pm
- wiseowl
  
  That ‘Harmony’ is a lefty all right and the other night made some pretty disgusting comments about Trumpy.
  A musician snowflake who cannot accept that his type have ruined so much and it is about to be corrected.
  I hope he doesn’t receive welfare from taxpayers in this country.
  
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  January 20, 2017 5:11pm
RF

Must be a quiet day on the standard or else Greg Presland does not go out very often.

He is having a crack at Bill English who had been asked if he had supported the Springbok tour back in 81. Bill appears have supported it.

Jesus Christ. So what .. that’s about 35 years ago.

Let it go…….
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January 20, 2017 2:43pm
- Komata
  
  RF
  
  But he can’t, he won’t; that was his and his fellow socialists one moment of (self-perceived) glory and the event is improving and improving with both the passage of time and the rose-tinted hue.
  
  He CAN’T let it go, since if he did, he would have absolutely nothing else with which to replace it.
  
  Sad really isn’t it?
  
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  January 20, 2017 4:17pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Yep. The previous, now almost-extinct generation of self-righteous left-wing diehards had the same attitude to the 1951 Waterfront ~~Strike~~, oops, sorry, Lockout.
    
    They never forget, and they never learn.
    
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    January 20, 2017 4:27pm
- kowtow
  
  WTF is this obsession of the left (and the media) with the ’81 tour.
  
  Fuck ’em.
  
  SA and most of the rest of Black Africa was way better off under honkey (the Brit version anyway)than it is today under the kleptocrats.
  
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  January 20, 2017 4:21pm
  - sam green
    
    Really? Tell us more.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:47pm
Peter

Nats up in latest Roy Morgan.

Lab/Greens fall.

Ha!
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January 20, 2017 2:55pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  Do you want to know what a Memorandum of Understanding will do to you?
  
  Labour’s support was at 27% (down 1.5%), Greens 12.5% (down 2%).
  
  28.5% was as good as it’s going to get Mr Little.
  
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  January 20, 2017 3:49pm
  - Happychappy
    
    I wonder whether he will do his balls and find a some different name to fill in for ROUGUE POLL.
    
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    January 20, 2017 4:18pm
  - RF
    
    Angry will be living up to his name now as Labour are in a spiral dive.
    
    He will need more than contact lens to get rid of his goofy expression.
    
    How about dying his hair, riding a chopper or walking with a swagger. Hold on that was tried by Goof and was a major fail.
    
    He could sign someone else’s painting but that’s been tried as well.
    
    Shit… just give up.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:16pm
- mandk
  
  Fucking brilliant! (psephological term).
  
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  January 20, 2017 5:39pm
- mandk
  
  Confidence in Govt also up to 140 (from 131).
  
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  January 20, 2017 5:43pm
Fletch

“The fascists of the future will call themselves anti-fascists” ~ Winston Churchill.
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January 20, 2017 3:06pm
- cha
  
  Bogus quote.
  
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  January 20, 2017 3:10pm
  - Brigitte
    
    “The problem with internet quotes is that you can’t always depend on their accuracy” -Abraham Lincoln, 1864.
    
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    January 20, 2017 3:23pm
  - Fletch
    
    Hmm, is hard to find where it comes from exactly…
    Whoever said it, the idea is pretty true though.
    
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    January 20, 2017 3:23pm
    - cha
      
      Hmm, is hard to find where it comes from exactly…
      
      Wingnut websites peddling ~~fake news~~ bogus quotes, that’s where.
      
      http://www.winstonchurchill.org/
      
      google search
      
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      January 20, 2017 3:32pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Quotes ? This might help you,
      
      https://www.indy100.com/article/this-1922-quote-about-hitler-has-chilling-parallels-with-donald-trump-7413406
      
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      January 20, 2017 3:36pm
      - Fletch
        
        That’s kind of silly. Obama is more anti-semitic than Trump will ever be. Trump has great relations with Israel, whereas Obama didn’t even visit them during the four years of his first term in office.
        
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        January 20, 2017 3:46pm
      - cha
        
        ‘
        
        Obama didn’t even visit them during the four years of his first term in office
        
        And George W Bush didn’t even visit them during the four years of his first term in office.
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        January 21, 2017 12:26am
Maggy Wassilieff

Shootings and car driving into pedestrians in Central Melbourne.

http://www.theage.com.au/video/video-news/video-victoria-news/chaos-in-melbournes-cbd-20170120-4plm0.html
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January 20, 2017 4:19pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Probably a car of peace and tolerance, but could be gang related too.
  
  Lets take bets.
  
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  January 20, 2017 4:24pm
- kowtow
  
  Early days , but I ‘d guess it’s a bit more of that enrichment and diversity on display again.
  
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  January 20, 2017 5:40pm
- Jack5
  
  Video and report from the Melbourne newspaper The Age.
  
  http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/wild-car-cbd-chase-sees-pedestrians-in-bourke-street-mall-injured-shots-fired-20170120-gtvgk9.html
  
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  January 20, 2017 5:59pm
Southern Raider

A car has been deliberately driven at speed down a pedestrian only street in Melbourne hitting multiple members of the public.

It’s a common tactic in Israel.

Could this be a lone wolf, someone with mental issues etc as surely not a member of the religion of peace
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January 20, 2017 4:21pm
- emmess
  
  Please everyone, calm down and don’t jump to conclusions that this is not a jihadi attack. That would be almost unheard of.
  
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  January 20, 2017 5:36pm
Southern Raider

Eyewitness said middle eastern man with Arabic music blaring out of the car
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January 20, 2017 5:39pm
- Longknives
  
  There’s a surprise…
  
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  January 20, 2017 6:02pm
- kowtow
  
  Racist eyewitnesses. Everyone knows the Australian is a disgusting racist.
  
  So our MSM keep telling us.
  
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  January 20, 2017 6:43pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Really???.
  Not according to early reports.
  “The car – driven by a Greek man who had been involved in a stabbing with his brother earlier in the day in Melbourne’s southeast – ploughed through the crowd in Bourke St mall about 1.30pm (3.30pm NZT)”.
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11786021
  
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  January 20, 2017 6:55pm
- sam green
  
  Could you all BE more gleeful?
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:53pm
Southern Raider

3 dead, over 20 injured and a toddler dragged 100m down the street in an unknown condition
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January 20, 2017 5:43pm
Steve (North Shore)

Next stop, Pennsylvania Ave.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UoQ87O21Rw
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January 20, 2017 5:46pm
Lucia Maria

‘This is war’: Russia warns it could retaliate after RT reportedly blocked from Facebook

The Russian Government is upset that one of their disinformation channels was blocked from posting to Face Book for about 20 hours. Awwwww.
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January 20, 2017 5:48pm
- Reid
  
  Lucia doesn’t seem to understand irony. Disinformation channel. Facebook.
  
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  January 20, 2017 6:06pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Reid,
    
    This story is the very definition of irony.
    
    To spell it out for you, Russia doesn’t allow different views the way Western social media does. There is no way Western media could have anywhere near the same level of access to Russians as Russian media has to the West. Even dissenting Russian media, especially those that disseminate their information in Russian, have been closed down.
    
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    January 20, 2017 6:27pm
    - Reid
      
      Russia doesn’t allow different views the way Western social media does.
      
      Yes, it does.
      
      Read these.
      
      Go on.
      
      I dare you.
      
      http://thesaker.is/counter-propaganda-russian-style/
      
      http://thesaker.is/the-russian-media-just-loves-the-campaign-to-demonize-putin/
      
      He concludes:
      
      As an ex-Cold warrior myself, I remember well how ridiculous Soviet propaganda was and how nobody would take it seriously, not in the West and not in the East. Now the tables have turned and it is the western propaganda which is not taken seriously anywhere (well, except maybe in Poland and the Baltic states) and which ends up damaging the credibility of the West.
      
      As previously explained Lucia, emotion interferes with reason. I’ve noticed many women don’t think it does, but believe me, most men know it does. And that’s your problem.
      
      You’re not alone. Poles have a “rep.”
      
      But unless and until you get over that, you’ll never see reality, you’ll create your own.
      
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      January 20, 2017 6:59pm
      - Griff
        
        Quotes a Russian propaganda site.
        Banner.
        Stop the empires war on Russia…..
        
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        January 20, 2017 7:08pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Reid,
        
        Yes, Poles have a “rep”, but not for making stuff up.
        
        And trying to pigeon hole me into just being an emotional woman, as if that accounts for my point of view when the other day you said I had an analytical mind …
        
        Surely at some point, this must become embarrassing. As Griff says, and I have to repeat it because it cannot be more obvious – “Quotes a Russian propaganda site”.
        
        Do you have no pride? Or do you think people are just that stupid? Or is it that there is no truth beyond what you want us to believe?
        
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        January 20, 2017 7:28pm
Southern Raider

Interesting that 68 democratic senators are boycotting the inauguration and that the next day their is a 1 million woman march to protest against Trump

Never heard of Katie Hopkins before but she said she is going to protest the protest saying they don’t know what they are marching for as women aren’t victims
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January 20, 2017 5:51pm
- Reid
  
  Why is that interesting?
  
  I find it disgraceful. Especially the senators.
  
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  January 20, 2017 6:05pm
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    I did mean interesting in a shows democrats true colours and that democracy in a liberal world is only valid when they get their own way
    
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    January 20, 2017 6:24pm
- nasska
  
  “Who are we?”
  “Women!”
  “What do we want?”
  “We don’t know!”
  “When do we want it?”
  “Now!”
  
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  January 20, 2017 6:33pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  I watched the last debate and Hillary getting all indignant about Trump accepting the result.
  
  And then the media bandwagon jumping on the same argument, it was the worse thing ever.
  
  Then Hillary loses, and doesn’t front, and the media and her supporters can’t accept the result, and the protests and gnashing of teeth…
  
  And all I can think is what a pack of hypocritical fuckwits, but that’s the left for ya!
  
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  January 20, 2017 7:38pm
- rangitoto
  
  Katie Hopkins is awesome. Writes for the DM and is a talk back host in the UK. She is hated by the lefties so that is all you need to know that she is brilliant.
  
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  January 20, 2017 11:29pm
Lucia Maria

Jack5,

Thank you for that article yesterday on the skeptical view on DNA tests. It’s good to know that they aren’t necessarily as useful as they appear to be.
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- mikenmild
  
  ‘genetic astrology’
  Much more satisfying to trace the family tree back a few generations for certain. Unless you’re EAD. of course, when you might find that a great-great-grandparent was Jewish.
  
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  January 20, 2017 7:19pm
  - Reid
    
    He wouldn’t worry at all mm, that’s what you don’t understand. Amongst many other things as well.
    
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    January 20, 2017 7:49pm
    - EAD
      
      Unless you’re EAD. of course, when you might find that a great-great-grandparent was Jewish.
      
      You really don’t get it do you Milkmaid?
      
      Do you think I would all of a sudden stop campaigning against usury or I would stop criticising the degenerate filth produced by Hollyweird?
      
      Do you think I would stop protesting the flooding of goyim and only goyim countries with the 3rd world?
      
      Do you think I would stop pointing out sheer hypocrisy and chutzpah?
      
      Do you think I would stop talking abkut the identity of the Bolhevisks who committed the worst crime humanity has ever seen?
      
      Do you think I would stop pointing out the truth about the Holohoax and how no-one was gassed and only about 600,000 died in WWII which relative to population size is actually less than Germany, Poland and Russia?
      
      But here’s the key thing, If I was Jewish though and I heard that the mythical “6 million” death toll was in fact only 1/10 of that amount, I unlike many of the Chosenites (particularly their leaders) would celebrate it as GOOD NEWS. Perhaps though, that is because I’ve never been one to thrive on lies in my life.
      
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      January 20, 2017 8:34pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Mike,
    
    Much more satisfying to trace the family tree back a few generations for certain.
    
    Yeah, definitely. That way you can also connect with relatives that you didn’t know you had.
    
    Unless you’re EAD.
    
    Who seems strangely reticent about being up front about his nationality and genetic background.
    
    … when you might find that a great-great-grandparent was Jewish.
    
    Well, if that were the case, to make him feel better, he should know that would be 1/16 of his set of great-great grandparents!
    
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    January 20, 2017 7:51pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Mikenmild:
    
    … you might find that a great-great-grandparent was Jewish …
    
    That would come within the definition of “false DNA flag” surely?
    
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    January 20, 2017 7:55pm
Griff

It is most amusing watching the trumpets wank on.

Some irony for the rational to laugh at .
The Democrats in America are to the right of National here .
Liberal as in This country Our political party’s and this Blog.
We have no god whacked loons like the republican party in politics here .
We have had conservative party’s in NZ
Remember Colon Criag and Graham Capill.
Remember the shame ….
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January 20, 2017 7:51pm
- nasska
  
  …..”Remember Colon Criag and Graham Capill.
  Remember the shame ….”…..
  
  Good news Griff…..it’s election year & that’s when the conservative & Godwhacked will get to relive the glories of those who sought to lead them into the promised land.
  
  Fortunately I retire in June & should be able to devote a few hours to improving their memories. 🙂
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:00pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I retire in June
    
    The big question is: does a sedentary lifestyle in Eketahuna appeal or will you move to the big smoke (Masterton) for a more exciting lifestyle?
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:04pm
    - nasska
      
      Probably we’ll build in Masterton eventually Nostra but the property is on two titles. The land goes in June but the house & 20 hectares is on a deferred settlement scheduled for payment a year later.
      
      There’s no rush.
      
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      January 20, 2017 8:11pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Will you feel generous enough to build a granny flat for Penny? She might appreciate the chance to return to the Wairarapa – and, who knows, Masterton probably needs a mayor with vision and an eye for flushing out corruption.
        
        Of course, if you’re proposing to buy a large lifestyle block, there might be a few questions about how you’d split the rates bill with Penny!
        
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        January 20, 2017 8:16pm
      - nasska
        
        Penny used to live in Masterton Nostra. Her family moved over to Carterton from Wellington when she was a kid. Master Industries who used to mismanufacture whiteware were unfortunate enough to offer her employment & train her as a welder.
        
        When Roger Douglas consigned the wretched firm to the dustbin of history Penny moved to Auckland.
        
        Masterton & district will be forever in Auckland’s debt for allowing her to settle in Kingsland. 🙂
        
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        January 20, 2017 8:29pm
  - Reid
    
    Why June?
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:52pm
    - nasska
      
      30th June is the end of the financial year for farms Reid & many sales revolve around this.
      
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      January 20, 2017 8:59pm
      - Reid
        
        So it’s not some sentimental claptrap then nasska. That’s good, I thought you might be going soft.
        
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        January 20, 2017 9:30pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Griff:
  
  Remember Colon Criag and Graham Capill.
  
  It’s an election year and Nasska has already issue a clarion call:
  
  Will the next conservative, know-all dropkick step up to the mark?
  
  I was hoping Deadrightkev could keep us updated on the comings, the shortcomings and the goings at Conservative HQ. Unfortunately, for reasons known only to Deadrightkev, he recently declared that he will “no longer be contributing my enormous insight and invaluable wisdom on this blog site for the foreseeable at least”. We are so much the poorer without his unique and comical insights!
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:01pm
  - Griff
    
    “Not all conservative people are stupid, but many stupid people are conservative.”
    John Stuart Mill
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:05pm
Reid

“It is important not to attribute too much importance to either Kissinger or Brzezinski as they are merely fronts for those who make the decisions and it is their job to cloak the decisions with a patina of intellectuality. Their input means relatively nothing. I use their names on occasion as I cannot use the names of those who actually make the decisions.”

Trump was elected with the support of the Masters to tilt towards Russia. The Masters have their tools in the media and Congress maintaining a vilification campaign against Russia, and have their puppet Brzezinski also come out against Russia, stating ‘America’s global influence depends on cooperation with China’. The purpose is to threaten Russia to cooperate and place these chips on the negotiating table for Trump. In a traditional good cop-bad cop approach, Donald is portrayed as the good cop wanting good relations with Russia, and Congress, media, Brzezinski are the bad cops. This is to aid Trump in the negotiations with Russia as Putin sees the ‘precarious’ position of his friend and should be willing to make major concessions as the line goes.”

“The Masters have decided to reindustrialize the United States and want to take jobs back from China. This is advisable from the Chinese viewpoint; for why should they sell their work to the US for a dollar that has no intrinsic value and get really nothing back for the work. China should have a car in every Chinese worker’s garage and they will become a larger producer of cars than the EU, US and Japan combined, and their own nation will keep their wealth in their own country.”

And why China over Russia? “Russia in this sense being a natural resource country with a gigantic military industrial complex (the latter being the only reason she is secretly respected) is exempt from any tough trade talk as they hardly export anything but natural resources and military equipment. The Masters want jobs back from Mexico and Asia including Japan, Taiwan, etc., and you see this in Trump’s attack on Japan. The main underlying reason is that the US has lost control of the seas and cannot secure its military components during a major war. This is all that matters now and this is the giant story behind the scenes.”

In only a few words “X” details the reversal of an economic cycle; “The Masters made money out of transfer of industry to Asia (Bain Capital specialized in this), and Wall Street made money from the lower interest rates on the recycled dollars from the trade deficits. But now, the issue is strategic; and they will make money on the return of industries scaling down their investments in Asia and returning them to the United States as we rebuild production here.”

http://thesaker.is/heres-how-the-trump-presidency-will-play-out27909-2/
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January 20, 2017 7:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid ,this is for you and that Saker fellow,
  
  The Death of Expertise author Tom Nichols who in this TV discussion demonstrates how Russia fakes news .Notably ( amongst many , many others ) how the alleged Tranfer of Nukes from Turkey to Romania was all made up with input courtesy of Sputnik ,
  
  https://m.youtube.com/watch?
  feature=youtu.be&t=2m40s&v=2qiXA3uDTGE
  
  The Saker and you enjoy !
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:42pm
  - Reid
    
    The Saker didn’t write that, dummy.
    
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    January 20, 2017 8:51pm
Nostradamus

Here’s a video of the wanker in Melbourne.

And from the article:

Commissioner Ashton said the suspect was known to police and was also charged over an incident last weekend. “There is an extensive family violence history involved. He has come to our attention on many occasions in the past. We have mental health and drug-related issues in the background of this particular person,” he said. “He has been coming to our attention more recently over recent days in relation to assaults, family violence-related assaults.”

I’m starting to get really sick and tired of assholes with known mental health problems running loose. The pendulum seems to have moved too far from institutional care to community-based care.
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January 20, 2017 8:12pm
- Southern Raider
  
  And repeat offenders who the justice system continually let go free to go onto even worse crimes.
  
  The death of this child is on the courts and criminal system in Melbourne
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:26pm
- Reid
  
  Yeah but this is just the inevitable outcome of years of slice the elephant policies across a wide range of areas mental health being but one, all of which contribute to the environment we now live in in which thousands of these creatures lurk, all of which has happened under our watch.
  
  So if we object to it so very much why the fuck didn’t we stop it in its tracks back in the 1980’s when, to take your one example, Lake Alice closed because Lange wanted us to get all touchy-feely with the mentals?
  
  Or is that putting it too plainly. I do so only to illustrate the point that while the lefties took such words with one meaning, the rest of us knew no-one including ourselves who, while they might say such things as a joke, didn’t think it. But we all stood aside, didn’t we, as the lefties pretended in all kinds of areas that black meant white and if we didn’t agree why, we must ourselves be black. And evil.
  
  And so we all swallowed it by the easy way by saying nothing at all, as our society was white-anted.
  
  Now, the only thing we have left is sniping at the margins, as isolated incidents appear, of the festering slime that’s been foisted on all of us, by not just the lefties, but by conservatives too. Just like the immigration in Europe that no-one voted for. Same thing, just a different field, but in both cases, both sides did it to us.
  
  Haven’t they.
  
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  January 20, 2017 8:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Mr Gargasoulas should have been detained last weekend, by the looks of his violent history.
  
  http://www.smh.com.au/victoria/bourke-street-mall-driver-identified-as-james-jimmy-gargasoulas-20170120-gtvs2m.html
  
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  January 20, 2017 10:45pm
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    Apparently identifies as “Greek Islamic Kurdish”, so (as expected) there is an element of Islamic nut-jobbery at work, Islam gives crazy people a template and excuse for murder.
    
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    January 21, 2017 9:57am
nasska

Shipley & Clark were the ones who really took the knife to residential care Reid & it would be a tossup which one of the harridans did the most damage.

Community care in NZ is an underfunded joke. With almost no residential care on offer that, as David Garrett has oft opined, leaves the mentally sick people prison or the street as alternatives.
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January 20, 2017 9:07pm
Nostradamus

CricInfo has published a great interview with Richard Hadlee today.

Something I didn’t know:

I started batting for New Zealand at No 10. or 11. I got 46 and 2 for 88 [84] in my first game, against Pakistan. Then I got dropped after that Test, so Don Bradman and myself have something in common. We got dropped after our first Test.

To think we nearly overlooked a cricket legend…
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January 20, 2017 9:14pm
EAD

Just finished watching the Welcome to the Inauguration concert now.

No Jay Z. No Beyonce shaking her fat black ass. No Trannies. No Queers. No BLM. Just the beautiful Trump family, patriotism, God fearing Americans and shit kicking country and rock music. Thank God the nightmare is over.

God speed Donald – Make America Great Again.
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January 20, 2017 9:25pm
- nasska
  
  ….”God fearing Americans…Thank God “….
  
  It’s a political celebration. Why bring mythical deities into it?
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:30pm
- Griff
  
  EAD’s favorite music.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tqxzWdKKu8
  
  Hick….
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:34pm
- Reid
  
  I’m looking forward to all the snowflake hysteria over these next few years.
  
  I might even watch CNN just to gloat.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:36pm
Jack5

You think Radio NZ’s Leftist and a voice of the social justice warriors?

Have a look at the white cringe on the web site of the Australian state-owned brodcaster, ABC:

http://www.abc.net.au/religion/
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January 20, 2017 9:28pm
- Jack5
  
  Typo, sorry. Should read:
  
  You think Radio NZ is Leftist and a voice of social justice warriors?
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:36pm
- Reid
  
  Colonialism had its standard techniques and believe it or not those still operate today, one of them being propaganda, hence state broadcasters in the all the colonies.
  
  Media is crucial to control. You control the message you control the people, provided the people don’t know they’re being controlled, whence you need force to do it.
  
  But that’s why we have these vestiges.
  
  NZ’s colonial responsibilities are to the small SouthPac islands, and RNZ is their main source or used to be, before the new Gutenburg press hit the scene in the 90’s. (The interweb)
  
  But that’s what it was and is Jack and they work it on us too, here in NZ. BBC is grandad. Look how it works then think in miniature through all the colonies.
  
  Key point is: who gives it the talking points and how come across the common wealth they’re almost always exactly the same. And the common wealth includes America and the EU, these days.
  
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  January 20, 2017 9:56pm
rightoverlabour

Fascinated by the protestors at the Trump Inauguration. Don’t they understand how democracy works? And the dumb women’s march. They can’t even agree on what types of women are allowed. The more I see of the left, the more Right I become. Hopefully they’ll tighten up on law and order and throw a few of these smelly snowflakes in the clink for a while.
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January 20, 2017 10:40pm
Viking2

Well the Nats are looking for another loss of voters.
Assistant commissioner Dave Cliff said some drivers were running the risk of speeding because they knew the fines were “very, very low”.

While Cliff did not name what type of price he would like to see, he said it was worth considering the example of Victoria, where fines started at $194 for speeding at 10kmh or less, or New South Wales, where the minimum fine was $114.

Associate transport minister David Bennett said the penalties for speeding fines were last reviewed in 2004.

But he said they could be reviewed this year.

“The Ministry of Transport is considering a wider review of offences and penalties for land transport this year to examine how they are working to achieve the road safety outcomes we want, and look at whether any changes are necessary”.

He said that fines were only one part of the penalty for drivers.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/88156447/top-cop-wants-to-raise-speeding-fines-says-theyre-too-low

The useless wankers have no idea what causes the road deaths. Worse they use their ignorance and poor stats to justify their great big fat salaries.
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January 20, 2017 10:49pm
Manolo

Trump’s speech:
http://circa.com/politics/donald-trumps-inaugural-speech-will-be-a-philosophical-document
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January 21, 2017 6:52am
Viking2

Well the lefties will be wetting their pants this morning.
Obama and Clinton looked stunned.

The White house climate change page is gone.

Here’s that America First policy Trump kept talking about, right from the White House website.

The Trump Administration is committed to a foreign policy focused on American interests and American national security.

Peace through strength will be at the center of that foreign policy. This principle will make possible a stable, more peaceful world with less conflict and more common ground.

Defeating ISIS and other radical Islamic terror groups will be our highest priority. To defeat and destroy these groups, we will pursue aggressive joint and coalition military operations when necessary. In addition, the Trump Administration will work with international partners to cut off funding for terrorist groups, to expand intelligence sharing, and to engage in cyberwarfare to disrupt and disable propaganda and recruiting.

Next, we will rebuild the American military. Our Navy has shrunk from more than 500 ships in 1991 to 275 in 2016. Our Air Force is roughly one third smaller than in 1991. President Trump is committed to reversing this trend, because he knows that our military dominance must be unquestioned.

Finally, in pursuing a foreign policy based on American interests, we will embrace diplomacy. The world must know that we do not go abroad in search of enemies, that we are always happy when old enemies become friends, and when old friends become allies.

The world will be more peaceful and more prosperous with a stronger and more respected America.

Trade Deals Working For All Americans

For too long, Americans have been forced to accept trade deals that put the interests of insiders and the Washington elite over the hard-working men and women of this country. As a result, blue-collar towns and cities have watched their factories close and good-paying jobs move overseas, while Americans face a mounting trade deficit and a devastated manufacturing base.

With a lifetime of negotiating experience, the President understands how critical it is to put American workers and businesses first when it comes to trade. With tough and fair agreements, international trade can be used to grow our economy, return millions of jobs to America’s shores, and revitalize our nation’s suffering communities.

This strategy starts by withdrawing from the Trans-Pacific Partnership and making certain that any new trade deals are in the interests of American workers. President Trump is committed to renegotiating NAFTA. If our partners refuse a renegotiation that gives American workers a fair deal, then the President will give notice of the United States’ intent to withdraw from NAFTA.

In addition to rejecting and reworking failed trade deals, the United States will crack down on those nations that violate trade agreements and harm American workers in the process. The President will direct the Commerce Secretary to identify all trade violations and to use every tool at the federal government’s disposal to end these abuses.

To carry out his strategy, the President is appointing the toughest and smartest to his trade team, ensuring that Americans have the best negotiators possible. For too long, trade deals have been negotiated by, and for, members of the Washington establishment. President Trump will ensure that on his watch, trade policies will be implemented by and for the people, and will put America first.

By fighting for fair but tough trade deals, we can bring jobs back to America’s shores, increase wages, and support U.S. manufacturing.

Sounds like John Key with a lot more conviction.
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January 21, 2017 7:40am
Griff

Protectionism .
It is funny watching so called right wingers cheer for an interventionist.
Thatcher would be appalled .

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January 21, 2017 7:59am
publicwatchdog

The future Independent MP for Mt Albert Penny Bright explaining to Auckland Mayor and Councillors how the private procurement model breeds corruption.

🙂

https://youtu.be/gl6A0ZXm3Zc
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