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srylands

Yay
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January 13, 2017 9:43am
Tauhei Notts

I think that James Delingpole, of The Spectator, might be the best political journalist in the world.
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January 13, 2017 9:44am
- Dave Mann
  
  I think Charlie Thompson of Ajax Drainage and Plumbing in Gore might be the best ditch digger in the world…. but given the lack of any details, examples or links to back up this claim, you will all just have to take my word for it 😀
  
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  January 13, 2017 9:57am
  - peterwn
    
    I didn’t take your word for it. There is Ajax Builders in Gore, but not plumbers. Also no C Thompson in Gore.
    
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    January 13, 2017 10:14am
    - Prince
      
      I can vouch for Ajax Builders.
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:07am
    - Dave Mann
      
      😀
      
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      January 13, 2017 5:33pm
    - Dave Mann
      
      Spoilsport! 😀
      
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      January 13, 2017 5:38pm
- PhilBest
  
  James Delingpole does more for Breitbart than he does for the Spectator, so there are plenty more opportunities to follow and enjoy his writing. In fact he’s some kind of head of Breitbart UK. Ideal guy for the job. He also claims to have taught Milo “everything he knows”.
  
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  January 13, 2017 4:10pm
Sideoiler

The Stupid is strong in this one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAIMjMdEPzU
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January 13, 2017 9:52am
- waikatogirl
  
  She is a complete nutter!
  
  ? Men
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:00am
- lilman
  
  Joint the Islam faith babe,you won’t have to worry about anything.
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:28am
- Komata
  
  It would seem that she may have been a reader of the old pre-pc ‘Wonder Woman’ comics, yet even the female characters on the island were not quite as ‘un-informed’ as this particular individual.
  
  Presumably she will put her words into action, and will shortly be before the Beak on a murder charge…
  
  Watch this space..
  
  Only in America?
  
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  January 13, 2017 3:20pm
  - Sideoiler
    
    Only in America?
    
    Unfortunately that used to be the case, this type of moonbatery/fuckwitery used to be confined to California.
    In more recent times it seems to have spread to the rest of the US and is slowly yet inexorably infesting the rest of the world.
    
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    January 13, 2017 10:38pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The end of the clip is great!
  
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  January 13, 2017 3:35pm
Padriv Ustoev

Benefits of closer economic ties with China and of course diversity.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11770151
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January 13, 2017 9:55am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  The Chinese are also taking over our financial institutions along with other sectors of our economy.
  The ANZ Bank recently sold UDC – one of the biggest commercial industrial and contracting financiers in the country.
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:14am
  - wiseowl
    
    It is more serious than many people believe.
    It was clear from some statements out of China this week , that they want open borders and in the long run if allowed they will try and influence more and more of the world.
    We are fools with the policies we have at present.
    
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    January 13, 2017 12:42pm
    - Komata
      
      We have merely changed our colonial masters. Until the EU appeared it was the UK. Now it’s the PRC / CCP.
      
      And our leaders seem very dis-inclined to stop the process.
      
      One has to wonder why…
      
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      January 13, 2017 3:23pm
      - GoVege
        
        I prefer the UK.
        They don’t execute hundreds of people a year and sell their organs.
        
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        January 13, 2017 5:09pm
All_on_Red

There are signs in Mexicos language that they are softening their stance on Trumps wall. Looking at the numbers they are very very vulnerable to the US. Significant jobs, huge balance of trade credit, billions repatriated from the US to Mexico etc etc. The Peso is free falling as Billions leave the country.
‘MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico’s new foreign relations secretary said Tuesday his country isn’t just willing to negotiate changes to the North American Free Trade Agreement, it wants to start talks as soon as possible.’
‘Videgaray said his government’s main concern would be “how to protect jobs in Mexico,” and said “there are a lot of reasons to think the negotiation would be favorable for Mexico.”
He said Mexico is willing to negotiate over Trump’s plan to build a border wall. But Videgaray said Mexico won’t pay for the wall, calling that “unacceptable.”

‘”All the issues that define our bilateral relationship are on the table, including security, migration and trade,” Pena Nieto said in a speech to a group of diplomats.
Reuters reported last month that Mexico’s government aimed to use security and migration to gain leverage over the United States in its talks with Trump, and could offer to reinforce its borders to get a better deal on Trade’

“Security, migration’.’offer to reinforce its border” huh. Yeah….Like building a wall!
Of course they ‘say’ they won’t pay for the wall but there are many ways that they could pay…

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/mexico-says-open-talk-trade-security-migration-u-224622638.html
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/L/LT_MEXICO_TRUMP?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-01-10-13-31-18
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January 13, 2017 9:56am
- cmm
  
  Remittances from USA are the biggest income generator for Mexico. It is such a big deal that they even provide a guidebook/pamphet on how get into USA illegally.
  
  Mexicans are, generally, only able to send back money because they take US welfare which gives them surplus money.
  
  The USA just has to threaten that money stream and the Mexicans will comply.
  
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  January 13, 2017 12:09pm
  - PhilBest
    
    I actually thought Trump was just exaggerating for effect when he said “we’ll get the Mexicans to pay for the wall, too”. Kudos to him if he had a strategy all along, and it succeeds!
    
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    January 13, 2017 4:12pm
emmess

Hello fellow Kiwibloggers
I thought I might start a discussion on what people’s favourite political YouTube channels are:

Here are some of mine in no particular order:

The Rubin Report
Sargon of Akkad
Paul Joseph Watson
Mark Dice
Undoomed
Rebel Media
Philip DeFranco
Stefan Molyneux
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January 13, 2017 9:57am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  All of the above.
  
  Not so hot on Molyneux he’s a bit of a wishful thinker, but has improved over the years.
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:01am
- Ross12
  
  I would add Bill Still to your list. Short and to the point “reports”.
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:32am
- Jack5
  
  Or you could find something useful like the smart builder on Mitre 10’s DIY channel.
  
  He is bloody great, and the Americans, sometimes females, taking off his strong Kiwi accent, add some spice. Especially when he’s showing how to build decks.
  
  “Can he make a long dick for me,” is an example of the type of comment from American handywomen.
  
  But if you aren’t into power tools and hammers, you will be if you watch a few of these videos.
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:38am
- EAD
  
  I follow Stefan Molyneux, Saargon & Bill Still from those mentioned.
  
  To that list I would add:
  – Millenial Woes
  – Red Ice Radio
  – Greg Johnson
  – Fash the Nation
  
  Woes in particular is an intellectual giant who the MSM have been going full Soviet NKVD on recently in a bid to silence him and his rapidly growing audience. Well worth checking out.
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:45am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Actually I have to add – Road Kill and Forgotten Weapons.
  
  Brilliant shows.
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:56am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Oh and Jay Dyer – Jay’s Analysis
    
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    January 13, 2017 4:04pm
- Fletch
  
  I don’t know why, but I am always watching Crazy Russian Hacker….lol
  
  I think I am also subscribed to
  
  Prager University
  Simon’s Cat
  
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  January 13, 2017 12:37pm
- PhilBest
  
  No-one’s mentioned Bill Whittle / “Afterburner”?
  
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  January 13, 2017 4:14pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  styxhexenhammer666
  
  This fellow has some interesting takes on things. (I select his political commentary. I’m not a gamer nor do I have any interest in the occult.)
  
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  January 13, 2017 8:25pm
Odakyu-sen

I read in the local Courier that the Iwi/ council committee administering One Tree Hill will phase out the livestock. No more spring lambs?
What will they do next? Cut down all the English oaks and replant in Nikau palms?
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January 13, 2017 10:01am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  One Tree Hill without livestock is like…. is like…. a Maori activist without face tattoos.
  
  Seriously, what a terrible idea. Why? Why take away an icon and a well established thing. Why not add to it? Throw in some Pukekoes and a Taniwha, but why take away the cows and sheep?
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:11am
  - Kimbo
    
    The reasons seem good and valid, especially as they relate to New Zealand’s unique flora, fauna and archeology. Also, there is no shortage of places for stock to roam and graze in New Zealand, including theme farms in the Auckland region:
    
    Tupuna Maunga manager Scott De Silva said the Tupuna Maunga Integrated Management Plan (IMP), which was publicly notified early in 2016, includes an objective to protect and restore the biodiversity of the ancestral mountains.
    
    He said under that objective, the intention was to phase out grazing stock and reintroduce native species, including microorganisms, invertebrates, lizards, and birds.
    
    “These contribute to resilient and healthy ecosystems,” De Silva said.
    
    De Silva said there was no set programme for the removal of stock from maunga and no deadline had been set for all stock being removed.
    
    Stock caused damage to archaeological features including historic kumara pits, one of the last and few remaining traces of Maori occupation pre-European settlement, De Silva said.
    
    Orakei Local Board member and member of the Maunga Authority Kit Parkinson said the authority provides a strong road map for ensuring Auckland’s maunga are preserved for future generations.
    
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/87822442/Grazing-stock-on-Aucklands-volcanic-cones-to-be-phased-out
    
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    January 13, 2017 11:02am
    - G152
      
      So the sound of lawn mowers will be heard over that heap od volcanic tailings when they remove the sheep and cattle…
      Obviously no-ones thought it through
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:14am
      - sooty
        
        Yeah! The tribe is going to pay for the lawn mowing out of their own pocket too!
        
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        January 13, 2017 12:20pm
      - GoVege
        
        No way, sooty!
        Next move will be: the iwi will get paid handsomely (through our rates) to contract out the lawn-mowing to slave laborers from Asia.
        
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        January 13, 2017 2:48pm
      - Dave Mann
        
        Nah… if the Maori are administering it the place will revert to weeds and scrub.
        
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        January 13, 2017 6:12pm
    - waikatosinger
      
      Having crawled around through the bush looking for old Pa sites in my younger days I can tell you that sheep do a lot less damage to old sites than the roots of trees.
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:59am
  - Gabby
    
    Have you no daffodils and spring lambs of your own? Are you some kind of a traitorterrorist muslim?
    
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    January 13, 2017 9:54pm
- GoVege
  
  Those nikau palms by the roundabout in Cornwall Park are the same size they were 30 years ago.
  Obviously they don’t like it there…
  
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  January 13, 2017 2:43pm
- Komata
  
  How did you guess? Very persceptive of you indeed…
  
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  January 13, 2017 3:25pm
Odakyu-sen

New Zealanders will not lift a finger to protect their cultural treasures.
I regard the One Tree Hill spring lambs and daffodils as tangible Auckland cultural icons. (If people do not value their culture, they will lose it to the politics of others.)
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January 13, 2017 10:16am
- Albert_Ross
  
  I regard the One Tree Hill spring lambs and daffodils as tangible Auckland cultural icons. (If people do not value their culture, they will lose it to the politics of others.)
  
  Well, I do not regard them as “tangible icons”. Neither lambs nor daffodils are indigenous or unique to New Zealand. Unlike other plants and animals that moving the lambs could enable to thrive there. (If people do not value their indigenous and unique wildlife, they will lose it to the alien tastes of others).
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:26am
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    Well.. that’s just like your opinion.. Man.
    
    Daffodils and Lambs have been on every post card in NZ since 1964. Along with the Tiki and the buzzy Bee. So yeah, they are an “Icon”.
    
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    January 13, 2017 10:34am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Yes, of course it’s my opinion. Isn’t that what we are here for?
      
      Daffodils and Lambs have been on every post card in NZ since 1964.
      
      Yes, that’s absolutely true. I have never seen a postcard with a picture of a kiwi on it, or of Milford Sound. Tourists seem far more interested in looking at things in New Zealand that they can see at home. And of course there has been absolutely no change in what people value and appreciate since 1964.
      
      FFS …
      
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      January 13, 2017 10:56am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        You’ve never seen a postcard with a kiwi on it?
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:08am
    - Kimbo
      
      Along with the plastic Tiki
      
      Fixed that for ya.
      
      Always amusing how the most virulent opponents of the supposed Muslim horde that threatens our culture and way of life…are also often the ones who dismiss out-of-hand the values and culture of the indigenous people of the place where they now reside and take their stand on the ramparts.
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:11am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Not all cultures are equal Kimbo.
        
        I had to abandon aspects of my own culture that I found to be toxic in comparison to the mainstream culture in NZ.
        
        I don’t dress in a tracksuit any more. I don’t call women stupid cows and have rejected slavic chauvinism. I don’t think Americans are evil.
        
        I also decided that beating my kids and busting out a pukana at social occasions is not for me .
        
        Some cultures are simply better than others, the proof of this is the societies that spring from these cultures.
        
        Would you rather live Moscow, Kandahar, Beijing or Auckland?
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:17am
      - Kimbo
        
        Not all cultures are equal Kimbo.
        
        Agreed. So bringing this back and confining the discussion once again to Maungakiekie/One Tree Hill, why does your preferred culture trump the original indigenous one
        
        …especially as your only other reason thus far is the longevity of tenure of daffodils and lambs? And also especially when the problem with that argument is that things indigenous, including on Maungakiekie have a much longer tenure.
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:25am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Because the daffodils and lambs deserve as much respect as the “native” culture.
        
        And they certainly don’t deserve to be erased.
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:28am
      - Kimbo
        
        Because the daffodils and lambs deserve as much respect as the “native” culture.
        
        Why? Especially when lambs and daffodils are in plentiful supply throughout the land, whereas archaeological sites relating to Maori, unique to our country, are limited.
        
        And they certainly don’t deserve to be erased
        
        On Maungakiekie? Why? And in case you didn’t know by now, throwing in that adverb doesn’t make it certain, at all. Indeed, it is an indication that there is nothing certain about it at all.
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:41am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        They don’t deserve to be erased because they are better than some holes in the ground (kumara pits),
        and boring shrubs (native fauna).
        
        How about that? Because as a European (Pakeha) I think the alternatives are shit.
        
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        January 13, 2017 12:18pm
      - cmm
        
        Yes, Western culture is what makes NZ great. Sure we can, and should, preserve some Maori culture for historic reasons but let’s not pretend it is better.
        
        Without western culture NZ would be like PNG.
        
        If Maori culture was so flash then Maori heading overseas would go to live in PNG or the Pacific islands. But no, they head to Oz which is even less Maori than NZ. Why’s that then?
        
        Western culture is a boon for Maori too – there are more Maori now then there were under pure Maori culture. They now even have a written language thanks to Pakeha.
        
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        January 13, 2017 12:19pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Padriv Ustoev
        
        They don’t deserve to be erased because they are better than some holes in the ground (kumara pits),
        and boring shrubs (native fauna).
        
        How about that?
        
        Not impressive. Why are daffodils and lambs “better” than kumara pits, and why are (native) shrubs boring…compared to daffodils? You say
        
        Because as a European I think the alternatives are shit.
        
        ..and as a Kiwi of European ethnicity I disagree. So your “because” is a non sequitur.
        
        You may find holes in the ground boring but yet you seem to be very skilled in digging yourself into one! 😉
        
        Care to have another go?
        
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        January 13, 2017 12:25pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ cmm
        
        Yes, Western culture is what makes NZ great. Sure we can, and should, preserve some Maori culture for historic reasons…
        
        Like, say, on Maungakiekie? Which would, according to the custodian, entail removing livestock and daffodils so that the Maori and indigenous flora and fauna are not obliterated.
        
        …Western culture is a boon for Maori too…
        
        Indeed. Just as Maori culture and things indigenous are our unique selling point to the world, and the jewel in our tourism crown.
        
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        January 13, 2017 12:29pm
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        So why do the opinions of brown NZers trump opinion of white NZers?
        
        Can you explain that to me Kimbo, since you are such an intellectual giant?
        
        Also you keep miss-spelling One Tree Hill.
        
        Also being a tourism attraction and being the foundation of everything good about the country are not really comparable things.
        
        Aboriginal culture in Australia is a tourism draw card in Australia. Nothing special. Just a different blend of curious stone age.
        
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        January 13, 2017 12:52pm
      - cmm
        
        So if there’s a Pa on One Tree Hill, then cordon off a 100×100 metre block of the historic stuff and let the rest be.
        
        People go to OTH because it provides a spectacular view of the city.
        
        I really don’t personally care if there are daffodils or skinks, but to kill off the pasture and replant with natives would be very expensive (I wonder who gets to pay?) and pointless and then cost a huge amount to maintain. It would be way more useful to put that money into preserving some other site that has better historic value.
        
        OTH’s appeal to Maori is not that it has huge cultural significance, but its activism potential. Every tourist who goes there gets all the grievances etc shoved down their throat.
        
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        January 13, 2017 1:09pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Aboriginal culture in Australia is a tourism draw card in Australia. Nothing special. Just a different blend of curious stone age
        
        So why do the opinions of brown NZers trump opinion of white NZers?
        
        Can you explain that to me Kimbo, since you are such an intellectual giant?
        
        I don’t claim to be an intellectual giant, but, in the main, the opinions of brown NZers doesn’t trump the opinions of white NZer.
        
        Also you keep miss-spelling One Tree Hill.
        
        Or are you misspelling Maungakiekie?
        
        Also being a tourism attraction and being the foundation of everything good about the country are not really comparable things.
        
        Agreed. However,
        
        Aboriginal culture in Australia is a tourism draw card in Australia. Nothing special. Just a different blend of curious stone age
        
        Yet others here have argued that “tourism” is the pragmatic, and therefore “good” reason that should be considered when deciding the matter. From the perspective of the European construct of capitalism and the resulting economic development, that would seem to be indisputable. In which case it comes down to which is a better “tourism selling point”. Indigenous or fusion. I’d suggest a fair-minded judge would say, “you could go either way”. And cmm 1:07pm post directly above makes a good case that, on balance, the status quo should be maintained.
        
        But then you seem to consider the economics of the matter matter as irrelevant. Fair enough. Just to clarify, and without wishing to put words in your mouth, is your reason that…as European is the better and dominant culture, things Maori and/or indigenous should only exist and be tolerated in the public domain as long as it does not in any way inhibit the “better” later arrival?
        
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        January 13, 2017 1:41pm
      - cmm
        
        It is naive to think that Maori culture is a major draw card to NZ. Sure, people will take in a bit of Maori culture as a side trip – but that’s not the primary reason they come here.
        
        If Maori culture was a huge draw card, they’d be going to a place with even richer stone age culture – say PNG.
        
        I’ve never heard a tourist say they want to come back and spend more time soaking up the Maori culture. They say they want to come back because they want to spend more time in the mountains etc.
        
        Now I am sure that there are some people who do go to PGN and come to NZ for the cultural enrichment, but they are few and far between.
        
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        January 13, 2017 2:52pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ cmm
        
        If Maori culture was a huge draw card, they’d be going to a place with even richer stone age culture – say PNG.
        
        You were doing really well until that. Why not go to PNG? Because you can come here to enjoy the benefits of encountering an indigenous (sophisticated) stone age culture, yet still enjoy all the comforts and safety of a first world country.
        
        How many tourists participated in Maori cultural activities?
        
        In 2008, 477,000 tourists participated in Maori cultural activities. The majority were international tourists (361,600 or 76%). Sixteen percent
        of all international tourists partipcated in Maori
        cultural activities while in New Zealand.
        The most popular Maori cultural activity for international tourists was Maori cultural performances (351,900 tourists or 90
        % of all international Maori cultural tourists), followed by visiting maraes
        
        http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/sectors-industries/tourism/tourism-research-data/other-research-and-reports/pdf-and-document-library/Maori%20Cultural.pdf
        
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        January 13, 2017 5:20pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ Padriv Ustoev
      
      And anticipating you, yet again, failing to address the issue – I don’t dispute that European culture was in many ways superior to that of the Maori when they first arrived. But why does that translate into hegemony in all things, including the flora and fauna on One Tree Hill/Maungakiekie? Yet again, it is a non sequitur…
      
      Or is the reason, despite your superior cultural-intellectual heritage, that you are unable to tolerate ambiguity, nuance and complexity? Perhaps a case of “simple minds prefer simple solutions”?
      
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      January 13, 2017 1:49pm
      - UrbanNeocolonialist
        
        Tourists stop and take photos and walk amongst the relatively human-tolerant livestock when they go to one tree hill and they make a fun contrast to the highly urbanised city. They are a drawcard for many tourists who would otherwise not get close to livestock on their whistle stop tours of NZ scenic areas and cities. Visitors I have taken to one tree hill have all remarked on them and in many cases gone for walks through the sheep grazed areas.
        
        Lambs and cows are also yummy and (I am guessing) more than pay for their upkeep.
        
        Bush is pervasive in NZ, tourists can see it anywhere, and preserving another of the hundreds of Pa sites in NZ is pointless, there is almost nothing to be learnt from them anymore given that we had contemporary accounts of Maori culture and life from the late 18th and early 19th Centuries.
        
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        January 13, 2017 3:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Tourists stop and take photos and walk amongst the relatively human-tolerant livestock when they go to one tree hill and they make a fun contrast to the highly urbanised city. They are a drawcard for many tourists who would otherwise not get close to livestock on their whistle stop tours of NZ scenic areas and cities. Visitors I have taken to one tree hill have all remarked on them and in many cases gone for walks through the sheep grazed areas.
        
        Agreed.
        
        Lambs and cows are also yummy and (I am guessing) more than pay for their upkeep.
        
        Bush is pervasive in NZ, tourists can see it anywhere
        
        As are lambs and daffodils, but agree the former are delicious, especially, with a Mediterranean twist.
        
        ..and preserving another of the hundreds of Pa sites in NZ is pointless, there is almost nothing to be learnt from them anymore given that we had contemporary accounts of Maori culture and life from the late 18th and early 19th Centuries.
        
        Ironic attitude to a site that was set aside and then had a memorial erected on it by one of Auckland’s fathers specifically to…celebrate the Maori people.
        
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        January 13, 2017 3:38pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    Albert,
    
    I think you are missing the big picture. While it is true that neither lambs nor daffodils are indigenous or unique to New Zealand, the vista of the One Tree Hill volcanic cone, the particular blueness and clarity of the Auckland sky in spring, the green of the slopes with their fingerprints of stock tracks, the igneous rocks, the smell of the air coupled with the daffodils and the lambs create a landscape unique to Auckland and is one that Aucklanders can recall when overseas, to help them remember what is waiting for them on their return to their homeland.
    
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    January 13, 2017 10:35am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Some of the things you list are indeed unique to Auckland. The daffodils and the lambs are not. Aucklanders overseas who wish to feast their eyes on daffodils and lambs can do so without any need to return to their homeland. The aspects which are uniquely Auckland would remain so – the sky would still be blue, the volcanic cone would still be a volcanic cone, the igneous rocks would still be igneous, without the daffodils and lambs.
      
      I don’t dispute that some Aucklanders like daffodils and lambs. Of course they do, and that is their right. It is not, however, a right which imposes any obligation on others to provide for their viewing pleasure. Particularly not if it is at the expense of things which really are uniquely New Zealand.
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:03am
    - lifesgood
      
      I’m fed up to the back teeth with these unelected tribal people trying to take NZ back to some mythical dream state. Every country is the sum of its parts, every country has outside influences. I have a lot of Japanese visitors and always take them to see the ship and lambs at One Tree Hill. They are enraptured and take thousands of photos. To them the sheep are amazing, rare and adorable. They are getting a unique NZ experience in the heart of the city. There are a lot of families in Auckland who never get to experience rural NZ but can experience it in Cornwall Park. FFS will this utter stupidity never end?
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:06am
      - lifesgood
        
        “sheep and lambs”
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:06am
      - Kimbo
        
        Take ’em here:
        
        http://www.kiwivalley.co.nz/
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:15am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        lifesgood,
        
        Japanese just love lambs. They are so “kawai-i!” If New Zealand could bottle the cuteness, it would corner the world market.
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:27am
      - PhilBest
        
        Stonehenge is an important historical artefact and tourist attraction in Britain, but that does not mean that the state of British culture at the time it was built, was equal to British culture centuries later. Or that some part of British society should be allowed to secede from modern day society and customs and go back to sacrificing virgins at the winter solstice.
        
        Why can’t we be this realistic about “NZ culture”?
        
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        January 13, 2017 4:22pm
      - SPC
        
        Ewes and lambs are sheep. So are ….
        
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        January 13, 2017 5:36pm
    - Biscuit
      
      Agreed, Odakyu-sen…
      
      Cities are cities and, essentially, there’s nothing much different between any of them..
      
      But we were in Auckland one week with friends fro the USofA.
      
      We took them to Rangitoto, to Devonport, to the Museums, to the Art Gallery, to a Rugby game at Eden Park … and then they went home and blogged about their trip.
      
      Their biggest praise – and the first picture their blog carried – was for One Tree Hill on a beaut fine summer’s day and their being able to picnic on the lower slopes overlooking the City of Sails, sheep grazing all about…
      
      And right after that the gush was for a barefoot walk through that lone avenue for the trees lining both sides…
      
      Its the same with me – from quite a few trips to London the memory that comes first to me is doing that beaut long walk from Windsor Castle to the Copper Horse several miles away…
      
      Different is good!
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:42am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      To expand my point. One Tree Hill and its lambs and daffodils has evolved into an icon in the minds of (most) Aucklanders. It is not right to trash a popular icon for the sake of regressing to some past vision.
      
      Is it possible to be a progressive and want to obliterate the present to recreate some fancied past utopia? I call that “regressive.”
      
      (Yes, I am aware of the need for environmental conservation.)
      
      The past is important, but you shouldn’t be a slave to it.
      
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      January 13, 2017 2:09pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    On your logic Ross, we should also scrap the pavlova, get rid of mince pies and repalce beer with kawa kawa juice.
    
    Also, relinquish those pants they are not a native cultural icon either. You need to be working on the preservation of indigenous attire.
    
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    January 13, 2017 10:43am
    - Inandout
      
      I wouldn’t drink anything out of kawa kawa. Might originate at those famous toilets.
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:48am
  - Jack5
    
    Re Albert Ross’s comment, “Neither lambs nor daffodils are indigenous or unique to New Zealand.”
    
    Human beings aren’t indigenous to NZ, either Albert. They’ve only been here since about the time of Robin Hood in England.
    
    Some of the birds we regard as indigenous have been blown over the Tasman from Australia. Some of our indigenous trees, like southern beech, are also found in Chile, and even the famous Bluff oyster species is found off Chile.
    
    Then, of course, if you want non-indigenous stuff off the reserve, better rip out the roads and the wire fences, and the signs, too. Tar seal is in no way native to NZ.
    
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    January 13, 2017 10:48am
    - Kimbo
      
      Then, of course, if you want non-indigenous stuff off the reserve, better rip out the roads and the wire fences, and the signs, too. Tar seal is in no way native to NZ.
      
      Hmm. I still want you on my pub quiz team, but with a reductio ad absurdum like that, we would have our arses handed to us if it was a debating contest.
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:18am
      - cmm
        
        You won’t win many quizzes if you think that’s reductio ad absurdum.
        
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        January 13, 2017 1:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Hmm.
        
        “Appeal to Extremes
        
        (also known as: reductio ad absurdum [misuse of], slippery slope fallacy [form of])
        
        Description: Erroneously attempting to make a reasonable argument into an absurd one, by taking the argument to the extremes”.
        
        https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/30/Appeal-to-Extremes
        
        I thought that “if you want non-indigenous stuff off the reserve, better rip out the roads…wire fences…signs…Tar seal” qualified as roads don’t directly impinge on the viability of all native flora and fauna or archaeological sites at the location, whereas livestock and exotic plants can and do.
        
        But as I am covetous of pub quiz world domination, I’d be happy to see you demonstrate how it is an invalid application. Perhaps even sign you up to the team…
        
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        January 13, 2017 2:18pm
    - Paulus
      
      Is it not now proven by DNA that the Kiwi came from the Australian continent ?
      
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      January 13, 2017 1:11pm
  - Kiwi Dave
    
    Rugby isn’t unique or indigenous to NZ either, which is why the All Blacks should switch to Maori stick games; then they would become a popular national icon.
    
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    January 13, 2017 11:00am
    - Albert_Ross
      
      Are all my downtickers really claiming that the current mix of indigenous and imported plants, animals, pastimes, food etc that makes up “our treasured national culture” – is now so exactly right, and optimally balanced, that no change in any direction could possibly be for the better?
      
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      January 13, 2017 11:14am
      - Kimbo
        
        No, they seem to going further and arguing that changing that balance is
        
        1. at best, the thin end of the wedge, or
        
        2. at worst, proof of how far the termites have got.
        
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        January 13, 2017 11:31am
      - Kiwi Dave
        
        I’m certainly not saying that things are exactly right – nor down ticking you for that matter, as this is something people can reasonably disagree about.
        
        What I am saying is that uniqueness and indigeneity aren’t my overriding or only values in determining preferences in many situations.
        
        Many of us like imported plants and gardens, hence the popularity of the Parnell Rose Garden and Hamilton Gardens.
        
        It’s easy to find extensive tracts of native bush, if you prefer tangata flora.
        
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        January 13, 2017 4:02pm
    - cmm
      
      Maori stick games?
      
      Is that just another way of saying beating the shit out of each other?
      
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      January 13, 2017 3:10pm
  - GoVege
    
    Maori are not “indigenous” either, Albert.
    I love native trees and birds too, but these introduced species have been in Cornwall Park a long time.
    Long enough to become cultural icons.
    
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    January 13, 2017 2:53pm
    - PhilBest
      
      Why aren’t we proud of humanity’s ability to “introduce species”? Are we not nature’s finest achievement?
      
      Godwit droppings good, ships bad?
      
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      January 13, 2017 4:26pm
- peterwn
  
  Presumably livestock will still be there – on the Cornwall Park Trust Board side of the fence.
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:24am
  - Kimbo
    
    Sounds like apartheid! // 😉
    
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    January 13, 2017 11:32am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  Replace the lambs with Moa… oh wait…
  
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  January 13, 2017 12:03pm
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    A lawn moa?
    
    (Megalapteryx masportii)
    
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    January 13, 2017 8:29pm
Manolo

Chicago is set to continue breaking crime records:
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/12/mexican-official-immigrants-are-flocking-to-chicago-before-trumps-inauguration-because-its-a-sanctuary-city/

The Mexican consul in Chicago said that immigrants are flocking to the Windy City before Donald Trump becomes president because Chicago is a sanctuary city, according to a report Tuesday in El Financiero.

Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel has vowed to not comply with federal immigration officers heading into the Trump administration. “To all those who are, after Tuesday’s election, very nervous and filled with anxiety as we’ve spoken to, you are safe in Chicago, you are secure in Chicago and you are supported in Chicago,” Emanuel said in December.
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January 13, 2017 10:18am
- cmm
  
  How stupid can you be?
  
  Chicago is already turning into a crime shit hole. It has terrible unemployment (12%). Things will get worse with an influx of more illegals.
  
  They need to turn that around if they want to keep (and preferably attract) the more wealthy and skilled people that actually pay the taxes that keep the city running. All this does is alienate the very people they need to attract.
  
  Bye bye Chicago, you’re just going to become Detroit 2.0
  
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  January 13, 2017 3:28pm
  - PhilBest
    
    Quite possibly different and worse. Chicago 1.0.
    
    At least Detroit had an unlucky historical lesson in being too “single industry” dependent. Chicago is almost entirely the result of leftist social policy. A cultural-Marxist, city-scale version of Venezuela.
    
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    January 13, 2017 4:28pm
Manolo

Griff’s influence is unbelievable:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/kamala-harris-grills-cia-director-nominee-on-climate-change/article/2611695

Sen. Kamala Harris, D-Calif., grilled CIA director Mike Pompeo on whether climate change was a leading national security threat during his Senate confirmation hearings Thursday.
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January 13, 2017 10:19am
- Jack5
  
  Where is Griff? Is he in Southland scoping out the land market for a citrus-and-bananas farm post global warming?
  
  I say fruit because there’ll be no money in cannabis once it’s legalised and the tobacco companies take it over.
  
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  January 13, 2017 10:51am
  - marcw
    
    Probably in a secluded padded cell recovering from his reaming over on WUWT earlier in the week. I have to say, he may be a total nutter, but he is a persistant total nutter. He flies in the face of all facts no matter how many convictions for crimes against reality he has accumulated.
    
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    January 13, 2017 1:34pm
    - Griff
      
      Are you stupid marcw?
      I dont comment at WUWT and never have .
      Why would anyone bother its full of gibbering loons who accept some really stupid rubbish without question
      I guess you read it all the time ….
      
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      January 13, 2017 4:20pm
      - PhilBest
        
        I don’t follow it much, but I can see why it is so hated by the CAGW – lefty conspirators. It is like a transparent peer-to-peer information sharing and discussion forum, 180 degrees opposite to, say, the IPCC’s opaque and rigged processes, or those of the various “accredited” agencies who do all the “adjusting” of temperature records, etc etc.
        
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        January 13, 2017 4:32pm
      - Griff
        
        yess pill
        To illustrate your ignorance I rather like this fact .
        The net result of all the adjusting is to lower the global temperature trend .
        That means either.
        1 They are hiding the trend .
        2 Or you are just another idiot who has no idea.
        about AGW yet demonstrates his ignorance for me to laugh at .
        
        I go with 2….
        
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        January 13, 2017 4:47pm
peterwn

There is a new crafty phishing email to try and get Gmail passwords – see:
https://www.wordfence.com/blog/2017/01/gmail-phishing-data-uri/?utm_source=list&utm_campaign=011217&utm_medium=email
If you click on the attachment of the ‘attack’ email it throws up a Gmail login page seeking login and password. The page is a fake and allows the fraudster to get your Google userid and password. However it is such a good fake it can fool experienced people. Worse still if you use the same password for other things then the crooks can hack these other things eg bank account (assuming they know the number).
A pretty crafty one – beware!
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January 13, 2017 10:21am
holysheet

Remember the greens if you are unfortunate to get brain cancer.
This might be a solution but because it falls in that dreaded category of genetic engineering it will not be allowed.

Researchers genetically engineer Salmonella to eat brain tumors
This is the first time you’ll actually want a case of food poisoning.

https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/11/genetically-engineered-salmonella-eats-brain-tumors/

But the greens and their supporters don’t need to worry. To get brain cancer you have to first have a brain,,,,,,,,,
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January 13, 2017 10:31am
Happychappy

I think McCain might be a sore and jealous loser because he could not win the Presidency and jealous of Donald Trump. After becoming a war hero he thinks that his bravery and status in America counts more than Trumps ability and Election results to become President.
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January 13, 2017 10:35am
EAD

Great new blog opened up by a young person in Britain who is the antithesis of the Social Justice Warrior. His opening blog post is on how he reached his worldview independently away from modern schooling indoctrination farms:

Well worth a read – I predict big things in the future from him:

https://alterorbisworld.wordpress.com/

I remember opening Peter Hitchens’ The Abolition of Britain six years ago. I’d already abandoned the semi-theological platitudes of New Atheism and my mind was like a repossessed house, the bailiffs having carted off the furnishings and changed the locks on their way out. If anything, I doubt that anyone changes their minds based on reading alone. Most changes of mind are preceded by long periods of emotional tumult, often unperceived, in which eddies, tides and currents flow into different channels. Rivers silt up and dry beds rage with torrents and only when the process is finished do we see how the landscape lies.

Nevertheless, Peter Hitchens was an epiphany. I’d always wondered why school had to be so unpleasant. Why were the teachers so dreadful? Why were English teachers semi-literate and hazy about grammar? Why was discipline more or less absent? This wasn’t an unpleasant school. The overwhelming majority of the pupils were white and middle-class, children of the semi-rural and dormitory settlements of Leicestershire. Why was drug use more or less openly accepted? Why were the qualifications so obviously debased? Why were teachers loath to exercise any authority?

I more or less came to the conclusion that the entire system had collapsed, not that anyone seemed to have noticed. Teachers exercised authority on an ad-hoc basis, on a personal level and through force of personality. Those above 50 tended to be more than competent. Teachers in their twenties were more or less as clueless as we were.
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January 13, 2017 10:56am
- PhilBest
  
  Sounds promising, indeed, hope its author’s promise is not ruined by succumbing to Jooish world takeover conspiracy theories.
  
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  January 13, 2017 4:36pm
Chuck Bird

How many believe that Langdon did not intend to sail to Oz? The guy obviously has some skill achieving a Trans Tasman crossing in the smallest yacht in record. However, he put his daughter at considerable risk.

Kiwi yachtie Alan Langdon and daughter Que sit down for a chat about their voyage

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11781383
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January 13, 2017 11:14am
- G152
  
  Dear me. What a silly person.
  Here we are at the end of the Earth in the largest ocean populated until recently by people in small craft who sailed here.
  Whangarei Town Basin used to be and probably still is full of yachts from Europe , Australia and the Americas
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  A single handed summer cruise to Australia is scarcely worthy of mention
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:23am
publicwatchdog

Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
What’s your view on this one Kiwibloggers?

Why waste your Mt Albert vote on existing MPs?

Sure – Labour and the Greens should use the Mt Albert by-election to advocate for the policies they are promoting for the 2017 General Election, for the PARTY vote?

But why waste this electorate vote?

In the Mt Albert by-election, I’m already getting public support from members of both the Green and Labour Parties, who say they will vote for me, because Jacinda and Julie Anne are already MPs.

Would the House become more ‘representative’ by including a fiercely INDEPENDENT proven ‘anti-privatisation / anti-corruption Public Watchdog’ in its ranks?

What do YOU think?

Penny Bright

2017 Independent candidate Mt Albert by-election.
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January 13, 2017 11:14am
- holysheet
  
  No No No No, anyone but you.
  Pay your bloody rates.
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:28am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Christ Penny you’re a barrel of laughs.
  Deluded with a false sense of your own importance doesn’t even begin to describe it.
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:29am
- peterwn
  
  She will have to pay the $300 up front to get on the ballot paper – the returning officer will not treat it like rates.
  Incidentally what would be the best form of tactical voting in Mt Albert – if I lived there I would treat it as a joke and vote Julie.
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:32am
  - rangitoto
    
    Yep – Nats get out and vote for Julie.
    
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    January 13, 2017 1:18pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Who is running your PR campaign this time, Penny?
  
  I still have a few suggestions of how you can out-Trump the opposition.
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:37am
- rightoverlabour
  
  Fuck off.
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:38am
- mandk
  
  Don’t waste time and energy on Mt Albert, Penny.
  
  Focus on Helensville instead. You’re John Key’s heir apparent.
  
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  January 13, 2017 11:38am
  - sooty
    
    NO! Not you. You are batshit crazy.
    
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    January 13, 2017 12:29pm
    - mandk
      
      No need to get your knickers in a twist, sooty.
      I was in jest.
      
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      January 13, 2017 12:38pm
- AgentBallSack
  
  lmfao are you still at it?
  How did the election for Mayoress go, your warship?
  
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  January 13, 2017 2:16pm
- stigie
  
  But that’s what you said when you were campaigning in Helensville Penny….Look where that got you..? Go on ,that’s a good girl, pay ya rates !~
  
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  January 13, 2017 3:40pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  See?
  I Spray and Walk Away
  Rubbish stays
  I walk away
  
  Steve N/S
  Attendee: Glenfield Trolley Derby 1986
  Fuck I got trolleyed
  
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  January 13, 2017 3:42pm
- sooty
  
  You have to front up with the $300 first! Stick another couple of naughts on that and put it towards your rates or you will be the nz version of the lady in the van.
  
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  January 13, 2017 8:07pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Watch out for online honey-pots.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38594669
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January 13, 2017 11:40am
- Jack5
  
  That’s not a Penny warning, is it?
  
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  January 14, 2017 12:00am
rightoverlabour

Morroco has banned the Allah awful niqab. Even some ragheads can see sense.
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January 13, 2017 11:42am
Manolo

Invasions have consequences:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4113238/Hungary-swears-batch-border-hunters-patrol-country-s-razor-wire-fence-alongside-soldiers-migrants-out.html

The first batch of Hungary’s ‘border hunters’ have been sworn in before they get to work patrolling a razor-wire fence built to keep migrants out.

Members of the border protection officers’ new unit attended their swearing-in ceremony in Budapest today, and will undergo six months of training before they go on duty.
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January 13, 2017 11:52am
- Inandout
  
  Six months? It doesn’t take that long to train a local policeman who has to deal with a host of crimes. These guys just keep rats from invading, and we all know how to deal with vermin.
  
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  January 13, 2017 12:40pm
Fletch

Liberals are going totally mental. There’s a poster campaign in Spain showing young children with genitalia opposite to what they should have, with a tag line, “There are girls with penises and boys with vulvas. It’s as simple as that.”

This shit is downright evil. I was going to say ignorant, but it isn’t ignorance – it’s purposeful disinformation put out by a transgender group with an ideological agenda.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2017/01/12/posters-declaring-girls-penises-boys-vaginas-appear-spain/
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January 13, 2017 12:51pm
- Inandout
  
  Imagine if Clinton had won. this shit would become commonplace. The anonymous US donor must have a sick pedo mind, and I bet they won’t dare show these posters in Muslim countries like Germany or Sweden.
  
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  January 13, 2017 1:16pm
cha

Truck driver power slides down a snowy California mountain pass.

Skills.

https://www.facebook.com/chp.truckee/videos/1852740468271249/
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January 13, 2017 1:22pm
Inandout

A doctor’s tale from today’s Muslim Germany, the direct result of Bitch Merkel.

‘Many muslims are refusing treatment by female staff here in Germany. The muslim men make sick, crude comments and overtures to the female staff members, because to them any non-muslim woman is a whore or a future slave. After brief exposure to these cruel, sadistic, female hating beasts, we, women, are refusing to go among those animals, especially the muslim men from Africa.

Relations between the female hospital staff and muslim immigrants are going from bad to worse. Since, the assault and unreported rapes of German women last weekend migrants going to the hospitals must be accompanied by police with K-9 units.

Very high numbers of migrants have AIDS, syphilis, open TB and many exotic diseases that we, in Europe, do not know how to treat them.

If they receive a prescription in the pharmacy, when they learn they have to pay cash they become violent. They were told in the middle east that everything in Germany would be free. Everything would be handed to them on a silver platter.”
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January 13, 2017 1:31pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  What will the hospitals do if a high proportion of the female staff quit? (Don’t they have a union?)
  
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  January 13, 2017 5:45pm
JasonJohns

Whites are the indigenous people of NZ.

Read some Martin Doutre or John Ansell and educate yourselves.

We were here 10,000 years ago and built an observatory on one tree hill. http://www.celticnz.co.nz/
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January 13, 2017 1:57pm
- mikenmild
  
  Don’t make even more of a fool of yourself, kea.
  
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  January 13, 2017 2:11pm
  - Jack5
    
    Nowhere near the notorious Kea’s skills.
    
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    January 13, 2017 3:23pm
- sam green
  
  “we”?
  
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  January 13, 2017 2:15pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Aha ! The solution to the One Tree Hill debate above, keep the lambs and daffs and return it to the Celts !
  
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  January 13, 2017 3:15pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Plant it in potatoes.
    
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    January 13, 2017 3:56pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Snack , you a serious pre celtic NZ true believer ?
    
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    January 13, 2017 8:09pm
    - pentwig
      
      and I thought with delight we are having a steffie free day.
      but the troll arrives late.
      damn!
      
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      January 13, 2017 9:19pm
      - Griff
        
        What would you get off on if stephie was not here pentwig?
        
        opps thats right you have his comments printed out covering the basement wall so you always have a ready source of fap literature,
        
        M0mmy should send you to a shrink before you become a police statistic.
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:28pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Perhaps pentwig could send DPF a private message for stephie and they could get together sometime.
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:34pm
      - Gabby
        
        and i thought i was having a merkinless, itch-free day.
        goshdarnit!
        
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        January 13, 2017 10:13pm
rightoverlabour

Time to outlaw these knuckle draggers. Any political party up for it? Sick to death of hearing about “special people gangs” beating the shit out of innocent people. Begining to think we need a New Zealand version of Trump.
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January 13, 2017 3:11pm
rightoverlabour

I tried editing the comment and got a you dont have permission…..The link is here

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/88385119/mongrel-mob-member-bashes-elderly-man-in-road-rage-assault
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January 13, 2017 3:13pm
Longknives

‘Just another form of Whanau’ according to the Maori Party…
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January 13, 2017 3:16pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Scum
  
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  January 14, 2017 7:50am
srylands

http://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/88385119/mongrel-mob-member-allegedly-bashes-man-in-road-rage-assault

Can’t we just confine people like this on one of the New Zealand sub Antarctic islands?
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January 13, 2017 3:30pm
- mikenmild
  
  What have you got against the sub-Antarctic islands?
  
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  January 13, 2017 3:57pm
SPC

Yesterday, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. announced that Trump had asked him to head a commission to study the safety of vaccines.

Kennedy is an activist in this area. Trump has also in the past expressed concerns about vaccine safety.

Welcome to the post truth science world.
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January 13, 2017 4:31pm
- SPC
  
  If enough parents refuse to have their children vaccinated, the herd immunity that protects the nation as a whole will wane.
  
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  January 13, 2017 4:39pm
  - waikatogirl
    
    Know a 38 year old who has just contracted his first case of chickenpox after not being vaccinated.
    
    Sick as a very sad dog. Shame on his parents for not vaccinating him as a child.
    
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    January 13, 2017 8:00pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      The chickenpox vaccine is very recent, so wouldn’t have been available when your 38 year old was a child.
      
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      January 13, 2017 8:42pm
- Inandout
  
  I suppose you can get the odd ‘dirty’ vaccine slip through the production line. I remember having a reaction to a type of antibiotic that I had used safely for many years. I later found that the product was now made in India rather than locally, so this possibly may have been the cause; or maybe my body had a hissy fit.
  
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  January 13, 2017 5:07pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Kennedy is a wierdo, alright.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy_Jr.
  
  Lots of the environmentalists are going to love him, tho’
  
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  January 13, 2017 5:30pm
- nasska
  
  ….”Welcome to the post truth science world.”….
  
  That’s what happens when science is hijacked by feelings such as the mumbo jumbo pushed by AGW believers.
  
  People start to doubt everything scientists tell them.
  
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  January 13, 2017 6:20pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Post-truth.
    All sorts of nutjobs have been given a fresh boost: antivaxxers, climate change deniers, homeopaths, chiropractors, etc….
    
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    January 13, 2017 6:34pm
    - Griff
      
      If you think climate change is Feelies you should watch this vid .
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjD0e1d6GgQ
      
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      January 13, 2017 6:44pm
      - nasska
        
        I’ll put my cards on the table Griff. Even though I’ve spent a lifetime working out of doors in rural NZ I haven’t seen much to convince me that any climate change is not within the limits of normal fluctuations.
        
        I’m also a natural born skeptic & I admit that if I can’t feel, touch or taste something I’m not an easy bloke to sign up to a theory.
        
        But if we ignore the financial inducements offered to climate scientists there may be something in what they say especially since they seem to sing from the same choir book.
        
        Then, just as this poorly educated rustic was thinking that AGW might be worth looking into a group of smarmy overeducated wankers in NIWA refused point blank to release their raw unfudged data & my bullshit antenna has been on alert ever since.
        
        What are they scared of Griff? There’s heaps of well educated mathematicians & scientists well able to interpret the raw data & confirm or rubbish NIWA’s massaged figures but they are not allowed access to historic info.
        
        This is not confined to NZ either. Science is facts & facts are science.
        
        Why the secrecy?
        
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        January 13, 2017 7:24pm
      - mikenmild
        
        If you depend on your own observations to validate scientific findings you might also have trouble believing that:
        1. the world is round
        2. microbes cause diseases
        3. solid objects are mostly empty space
        4. the Earth moves
        5. mass can be converted into energy
        etc, etc.
        
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        January 13, 2017 7:41pm
      - Griff
        
        NIWA refused point blank to release their raw unfudged data
        
        Bullshit
        The debate on the accuracy of the global temperature series was answered long ago by a totally independent study called BEST.
        http://berkeleyearth.org/
        They produced their own series from raw data using their own methods all available on line .
        Unsurprising they came to the same conclusion of the other five study’s .
        
        So all these scientific body’s and the national academy the royal society etc etc etc are all wrong and cooking the books for money .
        
        Conspiracy nutter warming lock up your tinfiol folks.
        
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        January 13, 2017 7:47pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”If you depend on your own observations to validate scientific findings”…..
        
        The fact that the Catholic Church opposed #1 & #4 was enough to convince me that science had it about right. 🙂
        
        I would point out that in the other cases you instance no one has refused to release the data that lead to their discoveries.
        
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        January 13, 2017 7:49pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Nasska, the Catholic Church never opposed #1 or #4. You’d need a Protestant sect for that!
        
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        January 13, 2017 8:45pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”the Catholic Church never opposed #1 or #4″…..
        
        Wrong scientist….right sect!
        
        I was thinking of Galileo.
        
        ….”He was tried by the Inquisition, found “vehemently suspect of heresy”, and forced to recant. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.”……
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_Galilei
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:01pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Be fair, nasska. It only took till 1990 for the Pope to forgive Galileo.
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:15pm
      - pentwig
        
        nice piece of AGW propaganda Griff
        what a load of shit!
        you actually believe this bullshit?
        really?
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:29pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        BEST didn’t visit all the sites in the world to check them out. They just used their computers and made adjustments that way. Ie a modelling exercise.
        The only sites physically checked were ones in the US and Anthony Watts and his team did most of those.
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:31pm
      - Griff
        
        Oh the station monitors
        Yip all on red Anthony even wrote a paper on ithe result
        Except when it was placed on his blog someone pointed out that he had not applied the time of bias adjustment .
        When they did .
        surprise .
        His study confirmed the accuracy of the records .
        
        Yip all on red Anthony result was to prove the others right.
        
        Hows the dk going ……
        worked out how thick you are yet ?
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:37pm
      - mikenmild
        
        LOL at All on Red imagining that Watts actually did some scientific research.
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:46pm
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Robert Kennedy Jr is no climate-change denier.
      
      He wants “laws to punish global-warming skeptics”
      http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/23/robert-kennedy-jr-we-need-laws-punish-global-warmi/
      
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      January 13, 2017 7:13pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Maggy W, not very good . Robert Kenndy Jnr could give the Cimate change movement a bad name but nearly as bad as this fellow,
        
        https://www.desmogblog.com/christopher-monckton
        
        LOL !
        
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        January 13, 2017 8:07pm
SPC

One for EAD.

An interesting setting to the debate on Capitol Hill regarding oversight of the Fed – who are set to tighten monetary policy this year as the economic growth continues – traditional policy response. But with a global deflation and asset bubble environment impacting on banks, operating in a higher risk environment than normal.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11781621
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January 13, 2017 5:06pm
mikenmild

Bangladeshi cricketer just thanked Allah for his good fortune at the Basin Reserve today. Who let these potential terrorists in?
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January 13, 2017 6:43pm
Reid

This is interesting. Thirty reasons why Assange could be in Room 101.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlpqYMpOOD0
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January 13, 2017 7:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , what category Conspiracy theory does The Out Dark comes under ?
  
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  January 13, 2017 7:59pm
  - Reid
    
    stupidboy, what’s ‘The Out Dark?’
    
    And what did you think of the 30 reasons?
    
    Or were those a bit too complicated to understand?
    
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    January 13, 2017 8:08pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Sorry , The Outer Dark ?
      
      What is it ? Related to the Illuminati ?
      
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      January 13, 2017 8:11pm
      - Reid
        
        No it’s what you asked about when you said just one post above @ 7.59:
        
        Reid , what category Conspiracy theory does The Out Dark comes under ?
        
        Fuck you’re dumb.
        
        And what did you think about the 30 reasons? Or is that too confusing for you, again?
        
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        January 13, 2017 8:39pm
      - pentwig
        
        you are as thick as a post steffie
        why do you keep on with your comments to continue to show us your lack of intelligence?
        please post links to prove your reply
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:36pm
    - Reid
      
      I think he’s thicker than that pw. Thicker than a whale omelette.
      
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      January 13, 2017 9:54pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , The Out dark ? What is it with links ?
        
        The hidden order behind the visible ?
        
        https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1r6drcoya2AvcevPjqgneA
        
        LOL !
        
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        January 13, 2017 9:58pm
- Inandout
  
  Assange’s back!
  
  https://www.twitch.tv/reddit/v/113771480?t=49m49s
  
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  January 13, 2017 9:46pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout, and what pile of crap has he come up with this time other than Pizzagate ?
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKHpaHl44ms
    
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    January 13, 2017 9:57pm
UrbanNeocolonialist

A thought for millenials struggling to buy houses:
Vote Green/Labour!

They have no clue how to fix the housing affordability crisis, but through incompetence and anti-business policies they will tank the economy, reducing migrant inflows and crashing the housing market.
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January 13, 2017 7:43pm
Manolo

Some Cubans are unhappy:
http://www.manilatimes.net/obama-screwed-us-angry-cuban-migrants-say/306712/
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