General Debate 11 January 2017

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Don the Kiwi

Great day in the Bay. 🙂
Obama’s on his way.
Great day for the USA.
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January 11, 2017 8:02am
- mikenmild
  
  Hawke’s Bay is lovely.
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:03am
  - pdm
    
    That is why we live here!!
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:54am
  - Awww C-mon
    
    We won this year Mike, the bay is the bay once again
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:18pm
- dime
  
  hong kong is humid and dime is hung
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:11am
  - Sideoiler
    
    Stay out of the Cut Duck in Mody road dime.
    
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    January 11, 2017 12:19pm
Lance

The Don could have said Meryl Streep was out of line, that her comments were in the wrong forum or that she had it all wrong etc etc.
But oh no……………

He questions her ability as an actor

What a cock
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January 11, 2017 8:05am
- Scott
  
  Look the Donald always hits back when attacked and good on him. Meryl Streep was totally out of line.
  The liberal Democrats are stuck on virtue signalling, identity politics and big name celebrities. It’s not working for them and they should stop it now.
  The hatred of Hollywood liberals towards Trump is annoying and won’t help them with reaching the people they want to go to their movies. The same people have fallen over themselves for 8 years to grovel at the feet of Obama. Losers!
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:13am
  - Lance
    
    Did you READ what I wrote?
    
    He never said she was out of line, that would have been a fair comment as would many other responses.
    Instead he comes back with the most idiotic response possible.
    
    I am questioning the Dons ability to react statesman like (or even logically). So far very lacking
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:17am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      He wants a fight with wealthy, pretentious, out of touch, liberal Hollywood types. That’s how he got elected and what will keep him popular. These people continually attacking Trump while offering nothing of any benefit to ordinary voters are just helping him.
      
      I don’t like Trump but I much prefer politicians to boost their support by baiting celebrities than by chucking money around everywhere.
      
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      January 11, 2017 8:28am
    - Happychappy
      
      Well that what happens to stars that except corrupt funds they then have to forfill their obligation. She chose to make the comment about him and got burn’t.
      
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      January 11, 2017 8:34am
    - PhilBest
      
      I read an article a few months back that made sense, about Trump’s loudmouth, insulting style. It is like a kind of US parallel to “bro talk”, they call it “breaking balls”. It is understood that the letter of what is said, is unimportant. It is almost part of the technique, that what you say is ridiculous, the more ridiculous, the better you are at it. The masses get it, and see it as evidence that Trump is one of them.
      
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      January 11, 2017 8:37am
      - Lance
        
        @Philbest
        You could be right there.
        I am appalled this is what passes for politics now.
        If anyone calls you out you just call them a piece of shit and the crowd applauds.
        Time for another McCarthy style ‘cleansing’ perhaps?
        
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        January 11, 2017 8:45am
      - VicParking
        
        The MSM has its balls in a twist because Trump uses Twitter instead of collecting 30 odd overpaid reporters in a room for a news conference.
        
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        January 11, 2017 10:31am
    - kowtow
      
      Yep , it’s true . The Don is no more a statesman than Obummer is , or Cameron or Hollande or Merkel . So what?
      
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      January 11, 2017 8:41am
      - Simon
        
        Lance wants to be led by a “statesman”. Bless still a peasant at heart who wants a wise King to rule.
        
        It’s 2106 all what is required is that the guy running the state isn’t another marxist clown.
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:05am
      - Lance
        
        No Simon
        A person who is polite, accurate and truthful who doesn’t default to crass insults and made up shit would be a good starting point.
        Another Ronald Regan type for example.
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:18am
    - James Stephenson
      
      Agreed. I think he should have told her to stick to reading out words that other people had written for her, because she’s passing good at that.
      
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      January 11, 2017 10:47am
      - mikenmild
        
        Snigger. It’s so easy to make millions as an actress, because all you have to do is read out words that other people have written. Shit, I could do that.
        
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        January 11, 2017 10:51am
      - rangitoto
        
        “Snigger. It’s so easy to make millions as an actress****”
        
        Careful Milky the “Actors” Union will have you flayed for using sexist terms like that.
        
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        January 11, 2017 12:33pm
      - Gabby
        
        I think he should have paid his bills.
        
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        January 11, 2017 8:03pm
  - SGA
    
    Look the Donald always hits back when attacked and good on him.
    
    That’s not what Lance is commenting on – it’s more that focusing on her abilities was actor rather than the content of her comments was a bit odd.
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:21am
    - mikenmild
      
      Especially when he had previously praised her acting abilities…
      
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      January 11, 2017 8:24am
      - Lance
        
        HOW DARE YOU quote facts Mike
        
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        January 11, 2017 8:34am
      - Nookin
        
        Didn’t she figure prominently (I hesitate to use the word “star”) in that mother of all musicals –Mama Mia? I am surprised that she wants to be seen in public after that one.
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:18am
      - Fletch
        
        Acting is all she was doing while giving her speech and complaining that Hollywood is one of the most vilified segments of society. Really? Here’s what she said…
        
        You and all of us in this room really belong to the most vilified segments in American society right now. Think about it: Hollywood, foreigners and the press.
        
        But who are we, and what is Hollywood anyway? It’s just a bunch of people from other places. I was born and raised and educated in the public schools of New Jersey. Viola was born in a sharecropper’s cabin in South Carolina, came up in Central Falls, Rhode Island; Sarah Paulson was born in Florida, raised by a single mom in Brooklyn. Sarah Jessica Parker was one of seven or eight kids in Ohio. Amy Adams was born in Vicenza, Italy.
        
        So? Although many Hollywood stars had normal or tough upbringings doesn’t change the fact that they live in palatial mansions now and jet around all over the world. Circumstances change – people change. Hitler once wanted to be a priest.
        
        If Hollywood was really one of “the most vilified segments in American society right now” I doubt these people would be “stars” with legions of fans.
        
        In short, Meryl Streep, you are full of sh*t.
        
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        January 11, 2017 10:45am
      - mikenmild
        
        Face it Fletch, the only thing you have against Meryl Streep is she had the temerity to attack your idol Trump.
        As for the Hollywood multi-millionaires, at least they have made their money in an open market, unlike chumps like Trump born with silver spoons in their mouths.
        
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        January 11, 2017 10:54am
      - Fletch
        
        mm, actually, the abysmal behaviour of Hollywood and the media over this last election year has really ripped off the mask. We always knew that the media was left wing, and Hollywood too – it’s almost a cliché – but I really was surprised as to the extent. All of these stars shilling for Hillary and vilifying Trump. I read somewhere that 90% of donations from Hollywood were to Hillary.
        
        They should just shut up and do their job (which is to look pretty and entertain us) and be thankful for the wealth they’ve gained for pretending to be other people on screen.
        
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        January 11, 2017 11:04am
    - kowtow
      
      Actress
      
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      January 11, 2017 9:13am
    - waikatosinger
      
      She, as an actress, had a go at his qualifications as a politician so he, as a politician, had a go at her qualifications as an actress. Simple tit for tat, and good strategy too. You don’t win a fight by staying on the defensive. You’ve got to take the fight to where the other guy lives.
      
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      January 11, 2017 10:29am
      - Disaster Area
        
        The trouble is, she has 19 Oscar nominations including three wins, 13 BAFTA nominations including two wins, 30 Golden Globe nominations including 8 wins.
        He can’t really criticise her for being ‘overrated’.
        
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        January 11, 2017 2:16pm
  - jonar
    
    Why was she out of line?
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:56am
    - Disaster Area
      
      I know, its almost as if these celebrities think that they have some constitutionally enshrined rights to criticise the Government without fear of persecution.
      
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      January 11, 2017 8:59am
      - Nigel Kearney
        
        Nobody is suggesting she should be arrested. There is no constitutional right that prevents other people insulting her for using an award acceptance speech to push her political views on people who are there to celebrate films and TV.
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:32am
      - Fletch
        
        If something happened to Trump – if he were to be physically harmed in some way – I doubt that the media would blame Streep, although she would be a huge part of the problem.
        
        I’m not saying you have to agree with everything a president says. Hell, I hated Obama. But you don’t go making speeches against him from the bully pulpit of your fame when they guy hasn’t even started the job yet.
        
        It reminds me of a comic book from 2008 called ‘DC Universe: Decisions’ which was supposed to show which DC heroes were Democrat and which were Republican. The only hero who wouldn’t share his opinion was Superman, who said (in the comic) –
        
        “It would be unconscionable of me to share [my endorsement] with you,” he explained. “Whoever is elected to the highest office in the land should not think that they will not have our full support. That our allegiances are stronger with a defeated candidate. We don’t take sides. The battles we fight are larger than those on the political spectrum. It would pain me to think the president would believe that he or she couldn’t count on us, turn to us, or rely on us.”
        
        http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-universe-decisions-revealed-dc-heroes-were-republicans-democrats-944939
        
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        January 11, 2017 11:23am
      - mikenmild
        
        But you don’t go making speeches against him from the bully pulpit of your fame when they guy hasn’t even started the job yet
        
        So what would you say about the
        President-elect’s use of his bully pulpit?
        
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        January 11, 2017 11:27am
      - Fletch
        
        mm, from what I see he is mostly defending himself from attacks.
        
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        January 11, 2017 11:58am
      - stephieboy
        
        But they do . The 2nd ammendment says so . The same one that protected those like you with their unrelenting attacks on the outgoing President !
        
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        January 11, 2017 12:05pm
      - rangitoto
        
        Freedom of speech doesn’t mean others can’t criticise your speech.
        
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        January 11, 2017 12:41pm
      - cmm
        
        stephie: You have your amendments screwed up.
        
        First amendment: right to talk shit.
        
        Second amendment : Right to bear arms.
        
        NB Please don’t confuse this with the right to bare arms otherwise you’ll be going off on another rant that Muslim women actually like wearing sacks.
        
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        January 11, 2017 12:44pm
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm , sunshine I stand corrected . How to be perfect like You ?
        
        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AhnyyV5sSzs/maxresdefault.jpg
        
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        January 11, 2017 12:51pm
- Ed Snack
  
  Yeah, opinions vary. I think she is and always was an indifferent actor, but very much a favourite of the luvvies. Got lots of nominations and awards because of that, not for any performance ability.
  
  Her talent – pretending to be someone else; and she thinks that entitles her to tell us what and how to think ?
  
  She does love paedophiles though, if they’re “one of them”.
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:34am
  - Lance
    
    So Ed
    Who are the good actors in your opinion.., are there any good actors?
    
    Umm ……also being an actor IS pretending to be someone else. You don’t seem to realise this
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:40am
  - stephieboy
    
    Ed Snack , a movie that comes to mind was her Portrayal of Margaret Thatcher in ” The Iron Lady ” which was outstanding including getting the late PM’s accent pitch perfect .Remarkable for an American and she was left in awe of Lady Thatcher’s abilities.
    
    Meryl Shreep was applauding Roman Polanski for been awarded Best Director for the Holocaust film “The Pianist ” that also by any measure was also outstanding .She was not applauding him for his sex with a 13 year old .That is an ugly smear .
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:50am
    - Inandout
      
      Sex with a 13yr old? That is 4 years older than Mohammed’s pumpkin patch bride.
      
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      January 11, 2017 9:57am
  - cha
    
    Got lots of nominations and awards because of that, not for any performance ability.
    
    Unlike The Donald – lots of nominations and only a Razzie to show for it. And he can’t sing for shit.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZqFGLAeAc&feature=youtu.be
    
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    January 11, 2017 11:11am
- kowtow
  
  Actress.
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:38am
  - Gabby
    
    Vagina.
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:14am
    - Nigel Kearney
      
      The awards where she made the speech are segregated by sex and named ‘Best Actor …’ and ‘Best Actress …’.
      
      Anyway, calling an actress an actor is like calling a woman a man. Hardly a decisive blow against sexism.
      
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      January 11, 2017 9:42am
      - Gabby
        
        What do you call a teacher, lawyer, doctor to avoid calling a woman a man?
        Vagina.
        
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        January 11, 2017 7:57pm
  - cmm
    
    I’m not sure I see the need for a special-Olympics style category for females.
    
    Acting does not need physical strength, so why the need for tilting the playing field to give women a go?
    
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    January 11, 2017 12:48pm
- Peter
  
  It’s amusing to see the cognitive dissonance of the luvvies on display. They are not handling it well at all.
  
  Long have they assumed people hang on their every word. Turns out, people couldn’t care less what they say, they’re more interested in jobs and security. All Clinton’s big-name “celebs” counted for zero, in the end.
  
  The realisation most of them are seen as little more than overpaid dancing jobsworths pushing cheesy distraction might be bubbling to the surface.
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:56am
  - Disaster Area
    
    I think that the entire ‘women’s magazine’ industry, not to mention the producers of ‘Real Beverly Hills Housewives Dancing with the Bake Off on Ice’ type programme may have something to do with this.
    
    At least Streep is talented, unlike the Kardashians, et al.
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:02am
- G152
  
  Evidently if Trump gets attacked he hits back immediately.
  Hopefully Hollywood will learn to keep its snow flakes in line before Trump taxes them into oblivion
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:57am
  - Lance
    
    Yea
    None of this freedom of expression shit.
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:07am
    - Komata
      
      Actually no: there IS freedom of expression in this situation in that ‘I’ am free to express MY opinion, BUT should ‘you’ dare to respond to what ‘I” have said (especially if it is to either correct me or (worse) actually defend yourself) then my mates and the media will respond as it is our ‘RIGHT’ to do so. That by doing so loud and long (and repeatedly) drowns out your reply is, of course, a minor detail. WE are exercising OUR freedom of expression. We LIKE exercising that and if we DON’T actually get to hear what you are saying is ENTIRELY your fault.
      
      WE are important; WE must be heard….
      
      But yes, of course, you DO have ‘Freedom of expression’; but just not with us.
      
      Such is the leftist / socialist way.
      
      (The odd thing in all this is exactly ‘why’ the theatrical crowd actually support the socialist ideology, since ‘come the revolution’ they, being defined as ‘deviants’ are probably likely to be up against teh wall at a very early stage. very odd indeed. perhaps someone can explain..
      
      Thanks.
      
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      January 11, 2017 10:57am
      - Disaster Area
        
        My issue isn’t Trump responding to his critics, it is the way in which he does so.
        Of all of the things to choose about Meryl Streep, he chose the acting ability of one of the all time great movie actresses, whose films have grossed about $3.5 Billion world wide.
        It’s a bit like criticising Elvis for being a bad singer.
        
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        January 11, 2017 4:02pm
  - Inandout
    
    A New York state of mind is our Donald. Big Apple residents are well known for striking back in response to inane comments.
    
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    January 11, 2017 10:02am
- Nukuleka
  
  Trump may well be correct in saying that Meryl Streep is an overrated actress. She is an excellent mimic who can recreate characters on an external level, but as for getting beneath the skin of her characters she is unconvincing. They are pure pastiche. It is always Meryl Streep pretending to be someone else. As for her cringeworthy ‘performance’ at the Golden Globes- just pure insincere hockum.
  
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  January 11, 2017 9:08am
  - stephieboy
    
    Nukukeka, and whatwould be be your opinion if she said nothing . Obviously still a great actor as was the case with e.g her role as Margaret Thatcher in “The Iron Lady” I mentioned earlier.
    
    Trump had got to get use to criticsm as his predeccsor has had to put up a lot of time . Goes with the job and it is not his ego massaging “The Apprentice “
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:33am
  - Disaster Area
    
    I’ve just checked Wikipedia – she has the most Oscar nominations for Best Actor and Best Actress of anyone, male or female.
    
    I wish I was that over-rated.
    
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    January 11, 2017 3:59pm
Paulus

I see that bouffant Dunne is going to stand again in Ohariu, with his face in the honeypot.
He will get dunn when the Greens give their vote to Labour -believed to be the ex Police unionist.
The Greens will not put up a candidate but will ask their lovelies to give them the party vote.
That is all they need under MMP to get back into the trough. They will never get a real seat but to them being in the trough is the only thing that matters.
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January 11, 2017 8:05am
- Keeping Stock
  
  The Greens will not put up a candidate but will ask their lovelies to give them the party vote.
  
  Better pass that piece of news on to Paddy Gower. He absolutely detests those “dirty deals” 😎
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:18am
  - pdm
    
    Inv – you are out of line.
    
    It is okay when the left do it.
    
    As punishment go to your mirror and cite the mantra 100 times.
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:37am
stigie

Andrew Little and his gifted caucus are back next week to plot the election strategy…..

“There is a different personality leading the National Party, so that will make a difference. But, equally, we don’t take anything for granted. No one is heaving a big sigh of relief saying, ‘that’s it, we’ve got it in the bag’. We know we have work
ahead of us.”

Yep, good. Another full year of barking at every passing car !~
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January 11, 2017 8:06am
B.L.Zeebub

Always a bit of humour when the vacuous virtue signalling glitterati turn on their own.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/88295118/Tom-Hiddleston-sorry-for-Golden-Globes-speech-says-it-just-came-out-wrong
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January 11, 2017 8:12am
Nukuleka

RNZ ‘news’ is telling us all this morning that we have a very serious problem with internet pornography in our country and that the solution is to get our schools to teach our youngsters more about sex.

There are two interesting assumptions here: firstly that because we are 5th in the world in the amount of online porn being viewed that this is actually a problem, and secondly that the sexualisation of children is going to combat the ‘problem’.

My gut feeling is that it’s no to both.
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January 11, 2017 8:14am
- PhilBest
  
  For an “it is a problem” assessment, try and find a copy of “Internet in Gaza: Sexual Liberation as Political Control” by Michael Jones.
  
  The “Gaza” reference is actually to what happened to Samson in Gaza in the Bible story. Seduced by Delilah and got his hair cut off.
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:30am
  - Kimbo
    
    Reminiscent of Cecil B DeMille who used to beat the strict film censorship of “the good old days” by making “wholesome” Sword-and-Sandal Biblical Epics…that included orgy scenes and multitudes of nubile dancing girls to capture the decadence of Egypt, Babylon or Rome that had aroused God’s wrath. Oh, yeah, and they spoke in stilted King James English:
    
    Prince Ahtur: This Samson has some unknown power, some secret that gives him superhuman strength. No man can stand against him.
    
    Delilah: Perhaps he’ll fall before a woman. Even Samson’s strength must have a weakness. There isn’t a man in the world who would not share his secrets with some woman.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-ODFJ24JpI
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:27am
- B.L.Zeebub
  
  we are 5th in the world in the amount of online porn being viewed
  
  Is that when Shane Jones is in the country or out of it?
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:51am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  “New Zealand 5th in the world for online porn”.
  That’s disgusting that as a country we think this is acceptable and nothing to worry about.
  Next year we should do better and aim for 1st place.
  
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  January 11, 2017 9:10am
  - PhilBest
    
    It would be interesting to know who are the top 4, and where we stand related to other countries we regard as having a similar heritage to ours.
    
    For example, if the top 4 are Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, Egypt and Yemen, and we are well ahead of the Netherlands and France, I suggest we have even more of a problem than we might be guessing.
    
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    January 11, 2017 10:24am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Top 4:America, Iceland, United Kingdom and Canada.
      
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      January 11, 2017 10:37am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        Iceland, UK, Canada…
        
        The long, awful winters must be the reason…
        
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        January 11, 2017 11:31am
oldpark

Heard the waste of space so called “green party” mouthpiece, James Shaw has the gall to put the boot into hard working NZs who have the temerity to legally arrange their tax affairs,by paying what is legally due. Shaw and his scruffy gang of 14 members turn up for a few days a year to parliament and sit in the so called debating chamber. Shaw seems to have missed the point that the 14 members who do nothing, as they suck off the millions provided by the very taxpayers Shaw is accusing them of tax evasion. With his party of do nothing bludgers joined at the hip to Angry Andys band of no hopers,the Liebour Party, seems if they get the treasury benches this year, it will be any thing that moves,and is not nailed down will be taxed.,including the dead granny tax.
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January 11, 2017 8:14am
- Gabby
  
  Touched a nerve there did he? Anything you should be telling IRD?
  
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  January 11, 2017 9:18am
  - skyblue
    
    What the IRD does not know does not concern them. I probably do $15000 PA in cash jobs, I always pay cash for things such as entertainment & food.
    
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    January 11, 2017 10:20am
    - Gabby
      
      What the IRD does not know yet does not concern them yet.
      
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      January 11, 2017 7:52pm
wiseowl

Interesting interview with English this morning re FT with the EU.

Not convinced with his response about the migrant situation.
It is all very well to say that we are doing our part increasing our quota but I do not see why any trade agreement with the EU should have any inclusion of migrant quotas or immigration at this point in time where the EU has disastrous policies and any attempt to drag NZ into this debacle should be non negotiable.We do not want to be part of open borders, period.
It is scary enough hearing the name Junka mentioned.It gives me the willies that we have people talking about trade with all this other non trade stuff possibly being used in deals.
Trying to negotiate a deal with 27 countries is stupid.
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January 11, 2017 8:15am
- Fraggle
  
  Oh good grief, are the tentacles of the EU reaching towards NZ now? They would happily try to send a multitude of the illegal economic migrants there if they could possibly get the chance. Would solve a lot of problems for them given how many European countries do not want a bar of them. I hope English doesn’t buckle and allow NZ to become an EU dumping ground. Merkel needs to clean up her own mess!!!
  
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  January 12, 2017 2:07am
BarryB

Have been out of communication for a few days but was VERY PLEASED to hear Bill English comment that many feel that Waitangi day is a bit cringe worthy and that the lower marie are all messed up and dont know what they want.

Further I see that Paul Moon agrees with Seymor that moving the marie each year would be a good idea – and that would silence the morons at the Waitangi Marie. Moon is a senior in the maori studies area at AUT.
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January 11, 2017 8:18am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  What is a ‘marie’ and who is ‘Seymor’?
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:26am
- Monique Watson
  
  Damn right! I was a child of the 70’s and 80’s and we always enjoyed the local marae hospitality. Anytime of the year and especially greyhound racing season! Jeepers! Some of us were not exactly sure where our olive skin heralded from. And more than likely Pakehas and Pacific Islanders were best mates all year round. Those were the days. Why and when did it change?
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:26am
  - PhilBest
    
    European Marxist intellectuals and their “identity politics” WMD against western civilisation.
    
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    January 11, 2017 8:32am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    If you seek power over people by dividing them, then you will want to portray one side as “oppressed” and the other side as the “oppressors.”
    The good news is that the people who actually wield power have the worldly wise smarts to know that this is all a scam. The ones who go fall for it tend to be the youth, the naive, the uninformed, the unintelligent, and those who can gain from repeating the narrative for their own personal gain.
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:13am
    - PhilBest
      
      “…the people who actually wield power have the worldly wise smarts to know that this is all a scam…”
      
      You mean, like John Key and the National Party leadership?
      
      And the Cameron Tories in Britain? And the leadership in Germany and Sweden?
      
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      January 11, 2017 10:26am
      - Odakyu-sen
        
        I am not talking about elected political figures, but the business owners and decision-makers who actually generate the money that the nation needs to survive and pay wages.
        (The people who create something from nothing and make things happen.)
        
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        January 11, 2017 11:33am
      - PhilBest
        
        Cheers, Odakyu-Sen.
        
        Yes, that makes sense. On the other hand, the one-percenter rentier, crony capitalists who make their money in finance and property, are often sugar daddies to the cultural marxists. Soros and the Rockefellers, for example.
        
        The left always decries the Kochs and Priebus and guys like them, funding free market think tanks, but the fact is that these guys are small fish compared to the ones who fund the Left, and who are rentier, crony capitalists, not the “producer” type.
        
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        January 11, 2017 11:58am
  - Gabby
    
    User Pays, plus the dawning realisation you were taking the piss.
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:21am
  - Komata
    
    Monique:
    
    When: It essentially (and deliberately) changed under Geoffrey Palmer who rewrote (‘re-interpreted’) the treaty to be ‘more inclusive’; and to correct previously unknown, undocumented (and totally mythical) ‘wrongs’
    
    Why: As a vote catcher.
    
    The ‘Treaty Settlement’ gravy train was already rolling and Palmer’s ‘improvements’ merely set everything in concrete.
    
    And Palmer STILL believes that he did the ‘right thing’ (and still tries to interfere even more, aided and abetted by the MSM and his law school buddies).
    
    Ideological blindness can be a terrible thing – especially when you’ve been proven wrong….
    
    Hope that this helps.
    
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    January 11, 2017 11:10am
  - RF
    
    I agree Monique…. Marae hospitality was fantastic. You could not meet nicer people but as you say it did change. I put it down to the radical Maori youth who wanted more, possibly a uni education revealed opportunities.
    
    Crime and drugs have also resulted in cultural changes that are lost forever.
    
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    January 11, 2017 10:57pm
- MCos
  
  Bill English did not say that many feel that Waitangi Day is a bit cringe worthy.
  He said that many feel the protests were a bit cringe worthy.
  I expect that’s what you meant, but I thought it was worth pointing out in case anyone got the wrong idea.
  English is celebrating Waitangi Day in Auckland.
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:55am
Monique Watson

This is a Marie:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=marie

And if you’re up for it, google Principal Skinner for Seymour.
Jeesh! Kids these days!
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January 11, 2017 8:27am
- cha
  
  This is the Marianne.
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:19am
Jigsaw

I wonder if its true that this National government is giving an additional 5 1/2 $ million to the Clinton foundation? Seems incredibly stupid if it’s true.
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January 11, 2017 9:02am
- sooty
  
  Think of all the school lunches, houses built, shoes given, food parcels that could be given to the bennys, with that amount of money! NAH, the goverment would rather give it to Hills, cause she needs a hand out.
  
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  January 11, 2017 10:39am
  - Gabby
    
    So school lunches, houses built, shoes given, food parcels get your seal of approval – good to know.
    
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    January 11, 2017 7:48pm
tvb

Trump is entitled to hit back against those who criticise him especially those overpaid actors who are very skilled pretending to be something they are not.
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January 11, 2017 9:04am
- fernglas
  
  As President he will have very little time to do his job if he responds personally every time he is criticised.
  
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  January 11, 2017 9:17am
- emmess
  
  Trump knows exactly what he is doing, he knows the best defence is offence. He doesn’t think Meryl Streep is an overrated actress, any more than she thinks Donald Trump has anything against the disabled. Both are just playing to their respective crowds.
  
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  January 11, 2017 9:37am
Rodney Randall

Isil eschatology. Great Comprehensive Article. (Repost for those who may have missed this)

What Isis Really Wants – The Atlantic
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

“After its battle in Dabiq, Cerantonio said, the caliphate will expand and sack Istanbul. Some believe it will then cover the entire Earth, but Cerantonio suggested its tide may never reach beyond the Bosporus. An anti-Messiah, known in Muslim apocalyptic literature as Dajjal, will come from the Khorasan region of eastern Iran and kill a vast number of the caliphate’s fighters, until just 5,000 remain, cornered in Jerusalem. Just as Dajjal prepares to finish them off, Jesus—the second-most-revered prophet in Islam—will return to Earth, spear Dajjal, and lead the Muslims to victory.”

JESUS coming back to lead Muslims to victory? Ah the irony/absurdity of Isil doctrine. Mad Bastards
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January 11, 2017 9:16am
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randell . brings to mind Michelle Bachmann and her End of Times rants ,
  
  Michelle Bachmann and her creepy End of Times famtasies: Why the Religious right yearn for WW3
  
  http://www.salon.com/2015/08/12/michele_bachmanns_creepy_end_times_fantasies_why_the_religious_right_yearns_for_world_war_iii/
  
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  January 11, 2017 9:38am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Just had a listen to some of Michelle’s end time prophetical rants on youtube. Yes, she’s big into the apocalytic final days rhetoric, but does she run around taking sex slaves and beheading infidels like the apocalyptic Isil Jihadi ‘warriors?’
    
    The difference being the Isil nutters are active participants in a violent death squad mission, juiced up on apocalytic ideology, and actively participating in its realisation.
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:58am
    - stephieboy
      
      Rodney Randell, I understand her End of Times rants include the likelihood of a Nuclear Conflagration to incinerate all mankind barring the saved like maybe you. and her.
      
      Even Trump ?
      
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      January 11, 2017 11:53am
- cha
  
  (Repost for those who may have missed this)
  
  Ya reckon.
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  January 11, 2017 11:47am
  - Rodney Randall
    
    Great stuff and thank you. The more links to the article the better!
    
    May it pop up time and time again especially the eschatalogical section featuring the return of Jesus vs Dajjal!
    
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    January 11, 2017 12:39pm
kowtow

Is it at all possible that these muppets , or rather their promoters, knowing the media will pick up every anti Donald crumb are simply being the self promoting whores that they are?

Meanwhile why anyone would take any morality lessons from the tax dodging hypocrite that Bongo aka Paul Hewson is, is beyond me.

“U2 has decided to delay their upcoming album after the surprise victory of Donald Trump, band members said in an interview, as they plan to reconsider certain songs in the wake of a Trump presidency.”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/10/u2-delay-new-album-donald-trump-election

Fact is car companies are already taking notice and acting on the Don effect. How many jobs has Streep , Bongo or anyone other luvvie saved?
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January 11, 2017 9:25am
Stars And Stripes

Newlyweds share wedding cake with homeless man outside Auckland church
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11779695.
Warms your heart does it not.
Got me so choked up upon reading it that I decided I will donate two tins of Chef to the local foodbank instead of my usual one.
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January 11, 2017 9:30am
- Gabby
  
  Cutting back on the meat eh, old gory?
  
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  January 11, 2017 5:46pm
Dave Mann

I wish you people would try to at least get the name of our prime minister right. It’s not ‘Bill’ or ‘English’… FFS…. the correct name is Blinglish.

(Doing a great job so far, BTW)
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January 11, 2017 9:31am
- fernglas
  
  Known to many Maori as Wiremu Pakeha.
  
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  January 11, 2017 9:38am
  - Dave Mann
    
    😀
    
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    January 11, 2017 10:05am
JasonJohns

From a prof in Haifa…a viable solution to the Judea and Samaria problem. Annex J-S, put the Arabs in reservations, open up J-S to mass migration
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/173597/time-annex-judea-and-samaria-steven-plaut
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January 11, 2017 9:47am
- Kimbo
  
  …and it is very possible this is Nethanyahu’s and Likud’s unspoken policy, and the on-going settlement of the Occupied Territories is the means to achieve it by stealth.
  
  So just as world opinion mobilised from 1961 when then-South African Prime Minister Hendrik Verwoerd doubled down and sought to implement the full edifice that became apartheid – Group Areas Act, Pass Laws, forced transportation to “Independent Homelands”
  
  ….so the New Zealand government has played its part in co-sponsoring UNSC Resolution 2334.
  
  And cue all the squeals and objections we heard from white South Africa and her apologists up until 1990:
  
  “Your race relations and history are not perfect, so who are you to judge?”
  
  “You don’t know what it is like!”
  
  “We are the bulwark against communism/Islamo-fascism!”
  
  “We provide a better standard of living that Blacks/Arabs in the rest of Africa/the Middle East”
  
  “You don’t understand the history and complexity of the problem”
  
  “The land was empty when we arrived”
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:42am
kowtow

“A male snow monkey has been observed attempting to have sex with female sika deer on Japan’s Yakushima Island, in an unusual example of interspecies mating behaviour.”

Unusual ? Happens all the time in stephiestan, where men are men and goats are scared.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/jan/10/snow-monkey-attempts-sex-with-deer-in-rare-example-of-interspecies-mating
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January 11, 2017 9:54am
- Inandout
  
  That is why they rape women as soon as they arrive in Europe; a shortage of goats and camels.
  
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  January 11, 2017 10:14am
  - sooty
    
    Or according to Kevin Bloody Wilson the aussies like goats as well!
    
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    January 11, 2017 10:42am
- cha
  
  Chimp face fucks frog.
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:27am
Simon

Small business optimism rocketed to its highest level since 2004, with a stratospheric 38-point jump in the number of owners who expect better business conditions, according to the monthly National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) Index of Small Business Optimism, released today.

http://www.nfib.com/surveys/small-business-economic-trends/

The Marxist clown Obama is finished and his nutjob statist agenda into the dustbin of history.

“Expect better business conditions.” Yep the people have taken back America.

Forget the headline big Company job stories it is small business the real engine for rising living standards.
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January 11, 2017 10:03am
Happychappy

Has Winston called a meeting today as all his supporters on here are conspicuous by their absence.
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January 11, 2017 10:13am
- pdm
  
  Perhaps Winston stumbled across an empty phone box on his way home last night.
  
  It may be a fundraising meeting to pay back the $158,000.
  
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  January 11, 2017 12:42pm
  - Paulus Gnome
    
    Holding my breath, anticipate turning blue . . . .
    
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    January 11, 2017 1:24pm
  - Paulus
    
    Sorry the empty phone box is being shifted to Masterton for the Labour Party meeting this weekend – they can take it in turn to have a meeting
    
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    January 11, 2017 3:48pm
Manolo

Excuses galore:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/media-say-hacked-emails-are-critical-but-cant-say-why/article/2611324

Many in the national media are certain that hacked emails hurt Hillary Clinton’s chances in the election, but their reports and columns rarely cite any of the emails’ contents that would have presumably affected the outcome.
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January 11, 2017 10:35am
- Gabby
  
  Well go on then, quote away. Knock yourself out.
  
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  January 11, 2017 7:45pm
Manolo

So much for “Hope and Change”:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/01/10/cloud-hangs-over-obama-return-to-chicago.html

As President Obama returns to his adopted hometown of Chicago to give his farewell speech Tuesday night, a dark cloud hangs over the city where the record-setting murder rate is so high there are pleas to declare a state of emergency.

“When there is a fire in America, a tornado, a hurricane, they call it a state of emergency, federal funds come in, and help rebuild that town or that community,” said prominent anti-crime activist, Father Michael Pfleger. “Well, hell, we have a state of emergency in Chicago.”

In 2016, 762 people were murdered in Chicago. That’s a 63% increase from the 468 murders recorded in 2015 and almost double the murders in 2014, according to Chicago Police.
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January 11, 2017 10:42am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, only 9 more sleeps then pift !
  
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  January 11, 2017 12:09pm
  - Manolo
    
    It cannot come fast enough. Au revoir, messiah.
    
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    January 11, 2017 1:04pm
VicParking

Union mate of mine has told me that the strikes are going to come thick and fast this year. I says well its election year, so what!
The difference he says that this year they are all going to be about Health and Safety, under manning, overseas workers taking jobs, and racist employment practices. They have been told from above high to start documenting anything which could be used for a walkout and send it to Wellington.
Thats right what are the Fire Service protesting about at the moment?!?
What a year to look forward too.
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January 11, 2017 10:46am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  If that’s what the unions are planning they obviously want English to win in a landslide.
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:04am
- mikenmild
  
  Luckily employers have help at hand to persuade staff to do the right thing:
  http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/88233842/clothing-store-owners-fined-for-allegedly-hiring-gang-to-intimidate-employees
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:10am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Yes and what is the common theme which keeps appearing in just about all these bad employer cases?.
    Third world immigrants bringing their shoddy corrupt practices to NZ workplaces.
    But the unions won’t go there and say the truth will they because that is racist so instead all NZ’ers just get tarred with the same brush.
    
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    January 11, 2017 11:38am
  - CharlieBrown
    
    That case is chilling for a number of reasons:
    1 – that intimidation like that is occurring
    2 – that a government authority can impose fines on a crime like that without proving it
    3 – three people were fined for what COULD have been the actions of one of them.
    
    This case undermines the concept of innocent until proven guilty. I would like to see the people behind that decision put down. They are dangerous to a free society.
    
    But this is law under a national government hah?
    
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    January 11, 2017 1:30pm
Inandout

Should George Looney stick to drinking pod coffee?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4103800/Clooney-hopes-Trump-presidency-wont-spawn-terrible-things.html
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January 11, 2017 10:49am
mikenmild

Another media fail: Newstalk ZB and the Herald fall for fake news:
http://publicaddress.net/hardnews/taxpayers-union-still-stupid-cynical-and/
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January 11, 2017 11:04am
- Happychappy
  
  So any response from DPF or are the Tax Payers Union allowed to peddle untruths.
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:24am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Yes I agree MM.
  Any reports that overseas aid donations have actually achieved the desired outcome need to be treated with scepticism and could well be classed as fake news.
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:28am
- emmess
  
  I am struggling to see what is fake about what the Taxpayers Union said other than “Hard” News/Public Address disagrees with the sentiment.
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:36am
  - mikenmild
    
    How about these whoppers?
    
    “Why are we giving millions of dollars of New Zealand aid money to the Clinton Foundation? It’s similar almost to the Saudi sheep saga.”
    
    “If you were forming a plan to make New Zealand unpopular among the incoming administration you couldn’t formulate a better plan than giving money to the Clinton Foundation”.
    
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    January 11, 2017 1:23pm
    - emmess
      
      Well , as far as I can see it is a fact that MFAT has donated to the CHAI.
      http://www.clintonhealthaccess.org/content/uploads/2016/08/CHAI-Donor-List_June-2016.pdf
      
      The rest of the statements are just opinions which despite what the left thinks, people are allowed to differ on.
      
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      January 11, 2017 1:36pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It’s just lazy bullshit, emmess. Take this:
        
        It is possible that officials have reason to believe that the Clinton Foundation’s work does provide good value for money, although given the controversy in the US that seems unlikely. The refusal to front up and explain leaves a stench of buying political access.
        
        Firstly, Jordan Williams seems to be a bit confused about the Clinton Foundation and the Clinton Health Access Initiative. Second, who is refusing to front up and explain? Thirdly, if political access were being sought, wouldn’t the money be better spoent on the Foundation rather than the Helath Access Initiative.
        
        Given New Zealand’s faux pas in co-sponsoring the UN Security Council resolution condemning Israel on Christmas Eve, and the heavy criticism of New Zealand which has resulted, the continued support of the Clinton Foundation risks even more damage to New Zealand’s ability to wield any influence in the US.
        
        I didn’t realise that the Taxpayers’ ‘Union’ had suddenly morphed into a cheerleader for Israel and critic of bipartisan foreign policy. What a joke.
        
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        January 11, 2017 1:48pm
      - emmess
        
        Milkenmild, firstly I apologise for accidentally reporting your comment, I meant to click reply.
        Nothing you say, backs up you assertion that what the Taxpayer Union has said is fake i.e. non factual and not merely an opinion. Are you saying that unions are not allowed to express opinions? In that case the Labour Party is totally fucked, then.
        
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        January 11, 2017 4:11pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        I wonder if MFAT were aware of the relationship between the Clintons and Ranbaxy.
        http://www.post-gazette.com/opinion/jack-kelly/2016/10/03/Jack-Kelly-The-Clinton-Foundation-s-dodgy-record-with-Ranbaxy/stories/201610030172
        
        http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/19/exclusive-clinton-foundation-aids-program-distributed-watered-down-drugs-to-third-world-countries/
        
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        January 11, 2017 10:02pm
      - SPC
        
        The Clinton Health Access Initiative work in Africa that we are helping finance is to fortify food (nutrients) for young children – our interest in this is obvious.
        
        We would be promoting the use of our own milk powder etc to better grow the market for our products.
        
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        January 11, 2017 10:13pm
  - Disaster Area
    
    I think its the point that since 2010 the Clinton Health Access Initiative has been an independent entity to the Clinton Foundation, which is again different to the Clinton Family Foundation.
    
    None of which would have been obvious reading the Taxpayer’s Union article.
    
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    January 11, 2017 5:53pm
    - Gabby
      
      It’s quite possible that Munter McMutton has inadvertently done some good for poor African children, even if his intention was to toady to Clinton.
      
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      January 11, 2017 7:42pm
jonar

Oh dear. Way to go Trump!
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vaccine-critic-kennedy-set-to-chair-trump-panel-on-vaccination-safety/
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January 11, 2017 11:04am
- mikenmild
  
  Ignoramuses gotta be ignorant.
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:11am
Komata

MM

As it apparently ‘Takes one to know one’, is this an unintentional example of self-description on your part?

if it is, thank you for your rare and refreshing honestly…

It makes a nice change.
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January 11, 2017 11:24am
- stephieboy
  
  Komata , you also beleive in the evil big pharma and other vaccinations conspiracies ?
  
  Chem trails too ?
  
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  January 11, 2017 11:42am
  - PhilBest
    
    And you, a card-carrying lefty, trusts Big Pharma implicitly????
    
    I guess as long as they can be conscripted into the service of socialised medicine rather than being part of the alternatives, they can be tolerated, eh?
    
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    January 11, 2017 12:10pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Phil Best , join ACT and see if you can help them improve on their 0.86% popular vote last election with your privatised health care schemes
      
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      January 11, 2017 12:19pm
      - pentwig
        
        you are in full troll mode today steffie
        keep it up
        
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        January 11, 2017 1:25pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Anti-vaxxer alert.
      
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      January 11, 2017 1:25pm
  - Komata
    
    Ummm, a message to whichever of the stephieboys replied to my post to MM. As I haven’t the foggiest idea what you are talking about and how you make a connection between my comment to mm and big pharma. con trails et al. An explanation would be of interest; thank you.
    
    BTW: You might also wish to check the expiry date of whatever it was you ate this morning; it appears to be making you hallucinate, which never a good thing for those who aren’t used to it…
    
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    January 11, 2017 2:57pm
cha

Nice.

Amb @ArkadyRzegocki thanked David Duncan for leading a fundraiser in support of the family of the late Łukasz Urban killed in #berlinattacks pic.twitter.com/AjqVNbApxI— Polish Embassy UK (@PolishEmbassyUK) January 9, 2017

https://twitter.com/PolishEmbassyUK/status/818482515140812801
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January 11, 2017 11:57am
cha

Those wacky Russians.
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Classified documents presented last week to President Obama and President-elect Trump included allegations that Russian operatives claim to have compromising personal and financial information about Mr. Trump, multiple US officials with direct knowledge of the briefings tell CNN

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/10/politics/donald-trump-intelligence-report-russia/index.html
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January 11, 2017 12:06pm
- PhilBest
  
  What mystifies me is that it has to be “The Russians” all the time. Do they have a monopoly on hacking, or even on having political vested interests?
  
  Were they essential to the work of our own Nicky Hager?
  
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  January 11, 2017 12:12pm
  - cha
    
    I suppose you think the cold war is over, too.
    
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    January 11, 2017 12:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Putin: USSR could have been reformed, there was no need to destroy it,
      
      https://www.rt.com/news/360398-putin-ussr-collapse-reform/
      
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      January 11, 2017 12:24pm
  - Paulus
    
    Are they still under the beds ?
    
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    January 11, 2017 3:50pm
- cha
  
  We’re off….
  
  I told you Hillary would not politically survive #EmailGate. I told you Trump won't politically survive his secret Kremlin ties.It's on.— John Schindler (@20committee) January 10, 2017
  
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  January 11, 2017 12:30pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Good to see that you’ve posted this, Cha.
  
  It’s going to get more and more uncomfortable for the Russians are our friends Trump crowd from here…
  
  LOL.
  
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  January 11, 2017 1:00pm
  - cha
    
    Courtesy of Mr Schindler, little light reading, Lucia.
    
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html
    
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    January 11, 2017 1:05pm
    - waripori
      
      Has anyone authenticated that document and is it the one Harry Reid accused the FBI of having before the election? If the Russians have video of the Golden Shower episode it will be difficult for Trump to be President. It seems he had enough sense not to do a dodgy real estate in Russia but could not pass up the girls.
      
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      January 11, 2017 2:32pm
Fletch

Crazed women dressed in vagina hats try to disrupt Sessions confirmation hearing, get tossed out.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/818824937502806016/photo/1
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January 11, 2017 12:45pm
Manolo

The United States dodged a lethal bullet:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/01/10/hillary_cabinet_plans_leaked_sheryl_sandberg_at_treasury_starbucks_ceo_at.html

Former Politico staffer Mike Allen has published a list of what he says are the names of individuals who were being considered for Hillary Clinton Cabinet jobs. Allen may be an ethically challenged shill, but he’s a well-connected one, so the list is probably worth taking seriously.

Some highlights:
Secretary of State: John Podesta, Bill Burns, Joe Biden
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January 11, 2017 1:02pm
Manolo

Oh dear, U2 divas are hurt:
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/jan/10/u2-delay-new-album-donald-trump-election

U2 has decided to delay their upcoming album after the surprise victory of Donald Trump, band members said in an interview, as they plan to reconsider certain songs in the wake of a Trump presidency.
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January 11, 2017 1:14pm
- Lance
  
  So when will Trump tweet that U2 can’t sing and are poor proponents of rock n roll?
  
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  January 11, 2017 1:27pm
  - mikenmild
    
    He might want to check whether he has previously praised them, this time.
    
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    January 11, 2017 1:34pm
- Fletch
  
  Oh dear. I do wish these artists should shutup about their political views. There’s not going to be anyone I admire soon.
  
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  January 11, 2017 1:58pm
  - mikenmild
    
    You could, maybe, stick to admiring artists for their art and quit worrying about whether they are politically correct enough for you.
    
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    January 11, 2017 2:01pm
- Inandout
  
  Obviously democracy doesn’t exist in Celebrity Land. They are hurting so much you must wonder WTF did Hillary promise these people if she got elected. Their ‘grief’ far outweighs the importance of the matter.
  
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  January 11, 2017 3:01pm
- Longknives
  
  Q-What’s the difference between Jesus and Bono?
  A- Jesus doesn’t think he’s Bono…
  
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  January 11, 2017 4:42pm
Fletch

Very good column on Streep and Trump in the Australian Herald Sun.

HOLLYWOOD’S moral compass has always been askew. That tends to happen when you mix enormous incomes, unchecked adulation and rampant drug abuse with a smug world view born of privilege.

The same folk who celebrate a child rapist like director Roman Polanski are sickened that the American people dared elect a candidate they don’t like.

Meryl Streep had no qualms about giving Polanski — who drugged and anally raped a 13-year-old and then fled to France to escape justice — a standing ovation when he won an Oscar for The Pianist in 2003, and has spoken of her sorrow for his plight.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/opinion/rita-panahi/rita-panahi-meryl-streep-inside-toxic-hollywood-cloud/news-story/605771b3b911e43b3163ad7ef8b12890
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January 11, 2017 1:50pm
- mikenmild
  
  It’s okay Fletch, we know you’re not really upset about the idea that Meryl Streep has sympathy for Roman Polanski.
  We can tell that it’s her comments about Trump that have got you going.
  
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  January 11, 2017 2:00pm
stigie

This by pdm at the Stranded….

“You guys could have been in with a chance if Shearers leadership hadn’t been shafted from inside the party.”

“Shame really.”

Banned for 12 weeks by the effeminate Lynette Prentice !~
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January 11, 2017 2:02pm
Captain Mainwaring

Penny’s either having a day off or she’s been wheeled away by the men in white coats.
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January 11, 2017 2:16pm
- stigie
  
  Yeah Captain, about time she was wheeled away to the Auckland Council and made to pay up !~
  
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  January 11, 2017 3:16pm
Maggy Wassilieff

German language word of the year, 2016
postfaktish = post-factual

German unword of the year 2016
volksverraeter = traitor of the people
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38571487
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January 11, 2017 2:24pm
- Inandout
  
  The BBC had to mention ‘Nazi’ connotations in the use of volksverraeter. Had it been merely genuine concern by the German people they would have ignored the issue.
  
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  January 11, 2017 3:06pm
jonar

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/9/14217638/obama-trump-senate-letter-ethics

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer has a simple request for Majority Leader Mitch McConnell: President-elect Donald Trump’s Cabinet nominees must meet the same traditional standards that were demanded of President Barack Obama’s nominees eight years ago.

In fact, the request is so similar that Schumer sent the exact same letter McConnell sent to Harry Reid, then the Democratic majority leader of the Senate, and simply swapped out some of the names:

There’s a reason for the snark: Republicans, who control the Senate, are starting to hold nomination hearings before the nominees have completed background checks and ethics clearances that are traditionally required of Cabinet appointees. These were the first two standards that McConnell demanded of Obama’s Cabinet nominees eight years ago — and that the Obama administration met — when Democrats controlled the Senate.

Yet Trump’s nominees now seem to be getting a pass on these same standards, even though there are lingering concerns about the Trump administration’s big conflicts of interest around the world.
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January 11, 2017 3:13pm
Manolo

Will our own stephieboy billet her when she travels to Auckland?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/hijacker-barred-from-wellington-airport/ar-BBy7K89?li=BBqdk7Q&ocid=mailsignout

Wellington Airport has trespassed the country’s only convicted plane hijacker, as the end of her sentence looms.

Asha Abdille stabbed both pilots and injured a passenger on an Air New Zealand flight from Blenheim to Christchurch in February 2008.

New information put before the Parole Board in December revealed 42-year-old Abdille has threatened to hijack another aircraft and set herself on fire.
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January 11, 2017 3:23pm
macdee

quality of NZ media exposed yesterday, the press gallery covern and their luvvies failed in their attempt to discredit PM for not going to Waitangi, middle NZ’s support for English’s stand reinforced by Kingi Taurua’s apology today; and the Herald’s disgusting piece on John Key had the rest of the media squirming with embarrassment, ZB talk back hosts didn’t want a bar of it inspite being from the same stable, couldn’t bring themselves to decry their tacky colleagues though
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January 11, 2017 3:41pm
Jack5

Who is Nickie Muir, a Leftish columnist for the Northern Advocate?

Today, in a column reprinted in the Hooerald, starting from the Mad Butcher episode, Muir puts her boot into Michelle Boag, Bill English and what she calls old white guys:

“Post-Brexit and pre-Trump it feels like the OWGs are feeling sad and threatened.

“It would be easier if they stopped – just for a second – sounding like a lame order of single shot, decaf flat whites, pointless and without good taste.”

In a Northern Advocate column in December, discussing John Key’s announcement he was stepping down as Prime Minister, Muir wrote this about Judith Collins.

“… [John Key] must look around at his own swamp with Judith sitting quietly under the waterline, all ruthless amphibian ambition, and be desperate to flush himself out of there.”

Muir proves to be a teacher (subject: English) at Whangaparoa College in Northland. It looks to be a solid small school, from year 7 up, doing a good job for its kids, many from families obviously struggling a bit financially.

It would be a long punt to assume that Muir enlightens the kids that socialism as a path to the good life is a false, circular route, that at best leads back to where you started.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/northern-advocate/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503450&objectid=11780488
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January 11, 2017 5:04pm
- itstricky
  
  You’ve got your hour north of Auckland mixed up with your hour north of Whangarei.
  
  What’s your post about? You’re not refuting her statements, merely have a whip around about her supposed character.
  
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  January 11, 2017 5:22pm
  - Jack5
    
    What is your post about, itstricky? What are you referring to with:
    
    You’ve got your hour north of Auckland mixed up with your hour north of Whangarei.
    
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    January 11, 2017 5:29pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I’m not istricky, but Whangaroa College,
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Whangaroa+College/@-35.1005377,173.7869576,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xd8a1afeec270bf5?sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmtPqyornRAhWKgbwKHVROBDUQ_BIIczAQ
      
      not Whangaparaoa (and note the correct spelling) College.
      
      https://www.google.co.nz/maps/place/Whangaparaoa+College/@-36.632622,174.7452092,15z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x23fa33cf0ab37228?sa=X&sqi=2&ved=0ahUKEwjh9PbEornRAhWDU7wKHR9zCzYQ_BIIaDAN
      
      Hmm. OK, I still want you on my pub quiz team, but “NZ geography” and correct spelling of “Te Reo” won’t be our choice for bonus rounds! 😉
      
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      January 11, 2017 5:37pm
Jack5

Whoops, sorry Kimbo.

My mistake.

Itstricky, is that what you were referring to, as well? And, istricky, I was referring to the lady’s views, not to her character.

I think this is where the Leftist Lady works:

http://www.whangaroacollege.school.nz/
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January 11, 2017 5:41pm
Chuck Bird

This is very good news. I wonder it Que’s mother will get her a in g and return to NZ or Oz. If so I think they should let her bring Que home to NZ and let Langton sail back. That might solve the custody matter.

Missing yachtie Alan Langdon and daughter found in Australia

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11780538
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January 11, 2017 6:09pm
- nasska
  
  Whatever his faults, skippering a small boat is not one of them.
  
  Kawhia to NSW in a 6 metre homebuilt cat is quite a feat.
  
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  January 11, 2017 6:20pm
  - Viking2
    
    And its none of your business Chucky.
    
    He hasn’t committed any crime.He is the kids father and the kid appears to be safe with him even if the mother doesn’t like it,
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:12pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Might well be a crime if he was obligated to keep the child in New Zealand.
      
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      January 11, 2017 9:18pm
Reid

Boris Johnson says matter of Israel embassy plot is ‘closed’. He’s wrong – it’s a scandal

An Israeli diplomat tried to undermine a UK minister, and government did nothing. Were he Russian, the response would have been explosive

That’s right isn’t it. Imagine if he was Russian. Imagine what would be happening then.

In a proud non-Jewed-up country the Israeli ambassador would already have been expelled along with the guilty functionary, but Boris just counts his shekels.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/if-russia-had-plotted-take-down-british-minister-all-hell-would-have-broken-loose-1311627112
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January 11, 2017 6:24pm
- mikenmild
  
  proud non-Jewed-up country
  
  Nice.
  
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  January 11, 2017 6:30pm
  - Reid
    
    Very apt don’t you think mm.
    
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    January 11, 2017 6:41pm
    - mikenmild
      
      How do you think we should go about being a ‘non-Jewed-up country’?
      
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      January 11, 2017 6:54pm
      - Reid
        
        Key being in Hawaii is a good start don’t you think?
        
        Then perhaps we could have an old fashioned pogrom. Wouldn’t that be jolly good fun?
        
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        January 11, 2017 7:14pm
Reid

“Many Western states have taken the way where they deny or reject their own roots, including their Christian roots which form the basis of Western civilization. In these countries, the moral basis and any traditional identity are being denied – national, religious, cultural and even gender identities are being denied or relativized.”

“What can be better evidence for the moral crisis of human society in the West than the loss of its reproductive function? And today nearly all ‘developed’ Western countries cannot survive reproductively, not even with the help of migrants… without rules and moral values which have formed, and been developed, over millennia, people will inevitably lose their human dignity and become brutes.”
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January 11, 2017 6:29pm
- mikenmild
  
  Reproduce like it’s 1699.
  
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  January 11, 2017 6:31pm
- nasska
  
  What on Planet Earth is “survive reproductively”? Why do we need to breed like rats in these days of robots taking over jobs? Morals as dictated by imaginary Skyjockeys is not an answer.
  
  Seems that we’re worrying ourselves into early graves seeking solutions to problems that don’t exist.
  
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  January 11, 2017 6:52pm
  - Reid
    
    nasska white people are breeding replacement, barely, whereas all the other races here are breeding like rabbits.
    
    Japan is in real trouble, although its society is very different to the West.
    
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    January 11, 2017 7:13pm
    - nasska
      
      I appreciate that we are being outbred but that is not a valid answer unless we get to the point where we can’t defend our borders.
      
      Can you address the question of why we need to breed more people than we can ever hope to offer employment to.
      
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      January 11, 2017 7:19pm
      - Reid
        
        Depends whether or not you think Judeo-Christian civilisation is worth saving or not nasska. That’s what it boils down to. Seriously, it does.
        
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        January 11, 2017 7:25pm
      - nasska
        
        ….” whether or not you think Judeo-Christian civilisation is worth saving or not”…..
        
        If along with Islam it involves saving any part of any of the Abrahamic religions that had their genesis in the ME then it would be a hard call Reid. Every part of each & all smell & the world would be the better for their absence.
        
        In any case it is probably academic unless someone gets trigger happy with nukes but I would still like you to explain to me why breeding people whose futures will never include employment is a good thing.
        
        Keeping in mind that the Devil finds work for idle hands.
        
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        January 11, 2017 7:38pm
    - mikenmild
      
      So fucking what? Is it somehow important that there are more ‘white’ people here than others?
      
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      January 11, 2017 7:26pm
      - Reid
        
        Given that we build the Judeo-Christian civilisation I’m interested in preserving it not abandoning it in debauchery like the Romans did with theirs mm.
        
        There’s nothing wrong with that, unless you’re talking about the white culture. Progressive morons are all ears if we were saying the same things about Polynesian, Maori, Chinese, Kurdish, basically any other culture except the white one.
        
        Why are progressives so hateful mm?
        
        You’re one, so you must know.
        
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        January 11, 2017 7:47pm
      - Scorpion
        
        Absolutely NZ will turn to an Absolute SH*T Hole
        with out them.
        
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        January 12, 2017 12:25am
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid. You really need to get a handle on this and understand things like demographic transitions where the birth rate declines in proportion to rise in living standards which is not only witnessed in Japan , here and in the West but also in the Middle Eastern in countries like Iran and the Gulf states ,
      
      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/White_genocide
      
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      January 11, 2017 7:28pm
    - Reid
      
      It depends if you want preservation and parity for your grand children’s grand children.
      
      Do you want that?
      
      Or do you want them to live in a social milieu, a mulatto with nothing real, plastic everyone, stupid and corrupt people in high places, making decisions for them.
      
      If that’s what you want then fine. But forgive me for disagreeing.
      
      Jobs etc will work themselves out. They’ll happen under the model you don’t care about and under the model I do care about, but it’ll work itself out, nothing that can be done.
      
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      January 11, 2017 8:37pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Whats a ‘mulatto’, and why might it be a bad thing to be one?
        
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        January 11, 2017 8:45pm
      - Gabby
        
        Are Satan’s imps white or black?
        
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        January 11, 2017 8:56pm
      - Reid
        
        It was the offspring resulting from the rape by one of the black slaves of one of the white Irish slaves the English shipped to Barbados and Virginia mm.
        
        Sometimes the masser would amuse himself by:
        (a) doing it himself
        (b) letting one of his house niggers have some “fun.”
        
        You should educate yourself mm.
        
        You’ll learn all kinds of interesting things.
        
        And it doesn’t hurt a bit.
        
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        January 11, 2017 8:58pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Oh right. So miscegenation is a bad thing. Luckily you’re pure white with no Jewish ancestry, eh?
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:21pm
      - Reid
        
        Yes I am mm, I agree I’m lucky.
        
        How do you fare? Or have your family’s bodily fluids suffered contamination?
        
        If I had to guess from your contributions, quite honestly I’d say: no way. Jews are way more brainy than you’ve ever been.You’re about one of the dumbest goys I’ve ever engaged with.
        
        So nothing there. But other races? You’re not the brightest mm, something’s wrong with you in the head, what could it be?
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:39pm
Jack5

Maori and Polynesians nonchalant about time? I thought that was probably a bit of Western prejudice, but it’s common for some Westerners to have a similar view about other Westerners – north Europeans about southern Europeans, for example.

Radio NZ reports that a journalist studying for a Ph. D. in Auckland seems to be suggesting leeway for Maori in news deadlines.

[Julie] Middleton says that in her interviews with journalists the thing that crops up time and again is the tension between honouring tikanga and needing to file stories to a deadline.

“People say that they will not consciously trample on their tikanga but they just sometimes have to develop ways of keeping things moving on.
“Occasionally they just have to admit defeat and say to their bosses ‘look, it’s not going to happen right now because I’m not going to trample all over this haukainga’s tikanga.”

Meanwhile, it’s interesting that journalists are pursuing Ph.D’s in communications from institutions such as the Auckland University of Technology.

The great media entrepreneurs, the great reporters, were they Ph.D.’s? It will be interesting to see whether the new media doctors can rescue the traditional MSM from internet competition.
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January 11, 2017 6:41pm
- Reid
  
  “Occasionally they just have to admit defeat and say to their bosses ‘look, it’s not going to happen right now because I’m not going to trample all over this haukainga’s tikanga.”
  
  They’re so precious aren’t they, the people who adopt this approach. Prissy little ponces.
  
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  January 11, 2017 6:45pm
Reid

It started last month when Senator John McCain gave the FBI a dossier outlining contacts between the Trump campaign team and Russian intelligence services. The dossier included evidence that Russia had “slam dunk” material, including video of Trump proving him to be a pedophile.

Trump is currently in a legal challenge over a rape charge involving a 13 year old (at the time), charging both Trump and Jeffrey Epstein with a “double team” sex assault. Trump’s legal team alleges that the court gag order on the case and a proposed settlement which involves a potential “non-disclosure” can be used to prohibit grand jury testimony.

McCain’s dossier was created by a former high-ranking counter intelligence official and has been reviewed by media in the US and UK. Top congressional officials have seen the documents as well and have repeatedly demanded that FBI Director James Comey give a “yea or nay” while there is still time to block a Trump presidency.

Four days ago, Trump was confronted by this dossier during a meeting with James Clapper and other intelligence officials. After the meeting, former CIA Director James Woolsey left the Trump transition team and distanced himself from further involvement.

…concerning to many is Trump’s behavior over last week’s meeting, where a number of largely unnamed intelligence officials confronted Trump over his “Russian problem.” It was Trump himself who came out of the meeting depicting it as a briefing on Russian hacking, not of evidence of his own blackmail and status as a Russian “asset.”

Trump lied.

Similarly, attempts to spin this report as “unsubstantiated” — knowing it has been in the hands of FBI Director James Comey for at least 30 days and the subject of a massive FBI investigation, the most critical in FBI history, and yet nothing has been said to clear Trump — are telling…

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/01/10/trump-presidency-stillbirth-mccain-intel-chiefs-say-trump-owned/
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January 11, 2017 6:55pm
- Jack5
  
  Are these the allegations against Trump, Reid?
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/07/donald-trump-sexual-assault-lawsuits-norm-lubow
  
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  January 11, 2017 7:03pm
  - Reid
    
    I wouldn’t know Jack. Why?
    
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    January 11, 2017 7:10pm
    - Jack5
      
      They’re pretty serious allegations, particularly the one about the 13-year-old girl.
      
      I’m trying to get a handle on how substantial the accusation is.
      
      Here’s a media source slamming Veterans Today, which you quote, Reid. It calls Veterans Today a “fake news site”.
      
      http://conservative-headlines.com/2015/02/veterans-today-is-a-fake-news-website/
      
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      January 11, 2017 7:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack5 , I can vouch for that .Veterans Today even out does Infowars on occasions with lots of disinformation and conspiracy based fakery .
        
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        January 11, 2017 7:36pm
      - Reid
        
        So you need to trust your own perspicacity Jack. If you chose data according to who publishes it, that’s idiotic. Would you buy a book because DoubleDay published it but not the same book from Penguin? Of course not, that’s fucking nuts. But that’s what people do when they select a site based on their (normally flawed) perception of “reliability.” Personally I do trust myself to recognise bullshit when I see it so I don’t care where my data comes from, I never have and I never will. It’s called thinking. (That last sentence is exclusively to mm and stephie who right now are curling their lips into a massive, massive sneer. Aren’t you, boys.)
        
        As for the case, I’m not familiar with it, because it’s just a detail in a tapestry. Ever since Trump started campaigning I’ve noted that a case which sounds like this one has been from time to time raised. But I’ve never cared enough about it to bother to look into it.
        
        This is because I focus on Trump the package, not the detail. Overall he’s profoundly flawed, his mob connections are the thing which has worried me most as I repeatedly stated during the campaign. But he was always better than Killary and so far he remains so.
        
        He had multiple flights on Epsteins plane just like both Bill and Killary did and you only go there for one reason, and Epsteins black book really needs investigation, but even with all that, he’s still way, way better than Killary.
        
        I also note the comment in my quoted passage where its hypothesised this Russian case may not be the same as this one you’re raising.
        
        But the most interesting point it makes to me is on Woolsey.
        
        We’ll see what happens, but if it’s true and who knows, it means we’ll see Pence sworn in and that may have been the plan all along.
        
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        January 11, 2017 7:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        There is no record on flight logs that Trump had flown on Epsteins plane and the rape complaint was withdrawn.
        However there are flight log records of over 20 flights by Bill Clinton.
        This has been well investigated
        
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        January 11, 2017 7:55pm
      - Reid
        
        Is this his daughter, or someone else? I genuinely don’t know.
        
        https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-PxUcG1Jndz0/WD_MhFiuuZI/AAAAAAAAZZ4/46rHNde4jrAO2_AMpyjSvgyiX8SR2smngCLcB/s320/%2521%2Bdonald-ivanka%2B1.jpg
        
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        January 11, 2017 8:23pm
Jack5

One of New Zealand’s biggest industrial financiers goes into Chinese hands with ANZ Banking Group’s sale of UDC Finance to HNA Group for $660 million.

ANZ says it is part of focusing on its core businesses, but an Australian analyst says UDC is profitable and its returns are probably above average for ANZ’s assets.

http://www.smh.com.au/business/banking-and-finance/anz-sells-udc-finance-to-chinese-conglomerate-in-628m-deal-20170110-gtp7j6.html

AND

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11780241
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January 11, 2017 6:57pm
- mikenmild
  
  You should have stepped up and bought it to save it from the Chinks, Jack.
  
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  January 11, 2017 8:46pm
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, and I thought you were a PC liberal.
    
    Here’s what the Oxford Dictionary says about the word “Chink”:
    
    … informal, offensive
    A Chinese person.
    
    Your mate, Dame Devoid, would not approve.
    
    UDC is a major supporter of project finance, and you can invest in it. Its rates aren’t too bad, considering its high credit rating. It reported an annual profit of $58.5 million a few weeks ago.
    
    From a balance of payments point of view, I think locally owned Heartland Bank would have been a better new owner than the Chinese. Heartland had been keen to buy UDC.
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:21pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Perhaps you should have stepped in with a joint bid in partnership with Heartland.
      
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      January 11, 2017 9:23pm
      - Jack5
        
        Milky, or maybe you could have got the Public Service Association to buy.
        
        Does it allow Chinese to be members? Maybe it could have been a PSA joint venture with China’s HNA Group, which undoubtedly has socialist (well, communist) shareholders and directors.
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:25pm
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        What should have happened, Jack? Should ANZ have short-changed its shareholders and sold at a lower price to Heartland? Should the government have bought it?
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:29pm
      - Jack5
        
        It might have made a good buy for the Super Fund, or perhaps the Super Fund jointly with Hearthland.
        
        Should have suited the anti-oil, anti-war, anti-tobacco, anti-booze investment puritans. A good buy. It was returning higher than the average of ANZ’s assets. Some might therefore argue ANZ has short-changed its shareholders by selling UDC.
        
        But Milky, suddenly you purport to be defending free market principles, when usually you are a stalwart of democratic socialism.
        
        What gives, Milky? You’re not a multi-personality poster like the Stephies are you? Surely not.
        
        Perhaps you’re on some quest to lift your accumulated down-ticks from one million to two million???
        
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        January 11, 2017 9:57pm
      - Jack5
        
        Where are ya, Milky? Come back and fight ….
        
        Have they shut off power in the Secure Ward? Ah well, there’s always tomorrow.
        
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        January 11, 2017 10:22pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Jack 5 ,
        ” You’re not a multi-personality poster like the Stephies are you? Surely not.”
        
        Let the delusions rage on !
        
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        January 12, 2017 10:18pm
nasska

I wanted to test out religious tolerance in NZ so first I stood outside a church dressed as a Roman soldier and nobody cared.

Then I went to a synagogue dressed as Hitler, they were quite cross and told me to leave politely but firmly.

And then, nine kilometres from my nearest Mosque I had a bacon sandwich……
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- mikenmild
  
  Here’s some tolerant Catholics for you, nasska. Evil, evil condoms.
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jan/11/knights-of-malta-condom-scandal-stretches-from-myanmar-to-the-vatican
  
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  January 11, 2017 9:24pm
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    Quite a little storm in a prophylactic Mike.
    
    The Knights can’t be overseeing the breeding of sufficient little foot soldiers for His Holiness. 🙂
    
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    January 11, 2017 9:31pm
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      Instead of trying to save lives with condoms, the Knights should obviously be teaching people more important things, like how mumbling incantations can transform bread and wine into flesh and blood.
      
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      January 11, 2017 9:34pm
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    Sad if only you parents had used them
    
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    January 12, 2017 12:23am
    - mikenmild
      
      Once they saw how I was going to turn out they sure did.
      
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      January 12, 2017 6:43am
nasska

This website may offer some clues as to why some individuals are more susceptible to God rubbish than others Mike:

http://atheistempire.com/reference/brain/index.php

…….”A study of epileptics who are known to have profoundly spiritual experiences has located a circuit of nerves in the front of the brain which appears to become electrically active when they think about God. “…..

AND

………..”Dr Vilayanur Ramachandran, head of the research team, said the study involved comparing epileptic patients with normal people and a group who said they were intensely religious.

Electrical monitors on their skin a standard test for activity in the brain’s temporal lobes showed that the epileptics and the deeply religious displayed a similar response when shown words invoking spiritual belief.

Evolutionary scientists have suggested that belief in God, which is a common trait found in human societies around the world and throughout history, may be built into the brain’s complex electrical circuitry as a Darwinian adaptation to encourage co-operation between individuals. “……

Very strange.
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January 11, 2017 9:41pm
Tauhei Notts

I have read about the recent NIWA report on sea temperatures at New Zealand beaches.
This Global Warming phenomenon could be dreadful to our country.
I do not know what I can do about it.
Possibly I could take Nasska with me to a church where we could both pray for it to change.
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