General Debate 6th December 2016

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Colville

Peters also calls Key “likeable”. “No doubt about it, you’ve got to give credit where credit’s due … But he had extraordinary luck, including an incompetent opposition. I wish him all the best and his family all the best.”

Ummm…? Whinston? You are that incompetent opposition !
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December 6, 2016 8:01am
- Kimbo
  
  But he had extraordinary luck
  
  GFC?
  
  Christchurch earthquakes?
  
  I’d hate to see the old drunkards version of bad luck!
  
  And Goff was not an incompetent leader of the Opposition – just wrong place at the wrong time. Shearer would gave grown in the job and would be looking really good now as Labour leader against English.
  
  But sure, downhill since Cunliffe..
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:03am
  - Colville
    
    If Labour had kept Shearer in the Job, election 2017 would be looking very different for the Nats than it does right now.
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:14am
    - Kimbo
      
      Yes, sometimes you’ve gotta lose one – Holyoake, Bolger, Clark – to win one. In the case of Norman Kirk, he lost two. But by 1972 he was dynamite.
      
      Back to Shearer – he has centrist appeal, foreign policy nous and connections, and the brains to grow as a politician, Leader of the Opposition and then PM. Opportunity missed.
      
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      December 6, 2016 9:04am
      - Morrissey
        
        Shearer was, and is, hopeless. I would have said absolutely hopeless, but since it’s you, Kimbo, I’m keeping my language laconic and unembellished.
        
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        December 6, 2016 9:18am
      - stephieboy
        
        Kimbo. I agree about David Shearer . Unfortunately , Labour’s cumbersome selection rules has meant they have ended up with a twit like Andrew Little .
        
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        December 6, 2016 9:26am
  - cmm
    
    Last bottle empty…. Winston would call that bad luck.
    
    Except of course it isn’t bad luck if it is of your own making.
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:59am
  - MCos
    
    Be interesting to go back a few years and see what all you people had to say about Shearer at the time of his demise.
    Mind you English didn’t look too flash before he was rolled by Don Brash.
    
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    December 6, 2016 1:37pm
- cmm
  
  Luck???
  
  Having your leadership tested by a GFC and earthquakes is not Luck. Coming out the other side in better shape is not Luck.
  
  Auntie Helen had the luck of running the country through boom times, and still stuffed it up!
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:04am
  - RF
    
    Talking about Auntie Helen …. one of the US TV channels who was breaking the news about JK showed a photo of her last night. Allowing it to be heavily photoshopped it made her look like a 25 year old with straight teeth. I had difficulty recognising her.
    
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    December 6, 2016 10:14am
- holysheet
  
  Winston first should take the hint and get out as well. Give Corporal Mark a chance to be a better opposition in Parliament.
  
  The difference with the rest, is that key doesn’t need the taxpayer trough to keep him in booze and other shit they waste our money on
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:05am
- Paulus
  
  How please I was to hear that Winston said this morning that he knew of Key’s resignation on Friday Key obviously had the courtesy of telling Winston first.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:09am
- G152
  
  Not what the geriatric alcoholic said about Key yesterday
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:13am
- Biscuit
  
  Colville, when a politician makes a certain statement, I always think ‘Now, what would that chap be doing/saying if the position were reversed’.
  
  So, imagine it had been Winnie who had resigned yesterday.
  
  He’d have been happy if, Key, say, had said: ‘No doubt about it, you’ve got to give credit where credit’s due, But he had extraordinary luck, including a cheerful smile, a gaggle of bewitched, bewildered and bothered who thought the sun shone out his rear end, no real competition from the other opposition parties. And, boy, didn’t he love them baubles of office? I wish him all the best and his family all the best.’
  
  For what its worth, I thought Angry Andy and both of the Green co-leaders got the occasion spot on with their comments, gracious, recognising that (even if they didn’t much like his policies) he was THE dominant personality of his time…
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:14am
William of Ockham

Who wants to be in Wellington when it disappears under a pile of rubble.
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December 6, 2016 8:03am
- cmm
  
  Doesn’t want to be in Wellington
  
  There. Saved you a few words…
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:05am
Nukuleka

As someone who once, many moons ago voted for NZ First and had been toying with giving Winston Peters my vote in 2017, may I categorically declare that, after hearing his response to the retirement of John Key yesterday, I will never vote for Winston Peters’ party and I regard him as a toxic, shabby and mean-spirited has-been. Hasta la vista Winston!
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December 6, 2016 8:04am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Totally agree. Winston exhibits the bitterness of someone who’s had to deal with impostors in the PM role which he thinks should have been his for the last 20 years.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:14am
  - sooty
    
    Can you imagine David been invited for a sleep over at Queensies holiday home?
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:21am
- Dave Mann
  
  Actually I fail to see exactly why Winston should have been fawning over Key when he announced his impending resignation. It’s not as if the guy had died, FFS.
  
  Grow up. This is politics.
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:32am
waikatogirl

Queen Elizabeth is phoning JK today or tomorrow in response to his resignation.

I think the Queen is going to miss our John as her NZ Prime Minister.
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December 6, 2016 8:05am
- MCos
  
  I doubt it.
  
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  December 6, 2016 1:42pm
Manolo

The communist Chinese flex their muscles:
Less than a week before President-elect Donald Trump spoke with Taiwan’s president over the phone, China flew a pair of long-range nuclear-capable bombers around Taiwan for the first time.
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December 6, 2016 8:06am
- Colville
  
  A squadron of B-2 stealth bombers flying off Taiwan would keep those pesky orientals nervous Manolo 🙂
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:11am
- G152
  
  Taiwan welcomed the target practice.
  May have escaped their (Chinas’) notice but the US doesn’t take threats kindly and may well open further relations with Taiwan
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:17am
  - MickMac
    
    recognise them as a sovereign state and Jerusalem as Israel’s capitol.
    That would mess all the bastards up.
    
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    December 6, 2016 11:20am
holysheet

Manolo, Paul Henry read out your support for Judith Collins as PM. I agree
Go Judith
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December 6, 2016 8:07am
- Manolo
  
  Cheers, mate. Glad he read my support for Crusher.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:10am
  - Colville
    
    Crusher as 2IC for a year or so and to step up to the big job 2018.
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:12am
    - holysheet
      
      Nah go for the jugular. Judith is the one.
      
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      December 6, 2016 8:15am
      - Colville
        
        Nah it would be a coin toss.
        Let Judith have a couple of years in Bills shadow and see if she can soften her image (but not her resolve)
        
        Time as 2IC will give let Labour burn off all its Oravida ammo too.
        
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        December 6, 2016 8:21am
- jakejakejake
  
  Even if Judith is selected, she will lose the general election for National. Too many skeletons in the closet and we’ve seen repeatedly that it only takes light prodding from a journalist to make her lose her temper. She doesn’t have the charisma or authenticity to make up for her flaws.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:20am
  - holysheet
    
    Bullshit
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:32am
    - Gabby
      
      Not wholly shit though.
      
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      December 6, 2016 8:59am
  - Paulus
    
    Too many media skeletons for Collins.
    We need new policies not socialism – who will bring that ?
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:50am
    - Viking2
      
      Coleman
      
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      December 6, 2016 8:55pm
oldpark

There it was a Labour Party also ran hack,made an ungracious comment on the Larry Williams show last night, when asked about John Key’s accomplishment resume,the hack known as Josie Pagani sneered through her thin mean lips,like there was not much, to get too excited about.
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December 6, 2016 8:09am
- Paulus
  
  Not as excited as Bradford who lost her voice yesterday in screaming with delight that she had got rid of Key.
  Must have had an orgasm too !
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:12am
  - holysheet
    
    lefties don’t have orgasms, they have meltdowns.
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:24am
    - Tarquin North
      
      Either way the mental images will continue to haunt me for some time. Thanks Paulus!
      
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      December 6, 2016 9:24am
    - Rich Prick
      
      That there, is possibly the comment of the year, given all we have seen recently.
      
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      December 6, 2016 9:38am
Manolo

Crooked Hillary refuses to accept defeat:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/electoral-college-rogues-trump-clinton-232195

Advocates of the long-shot bid to turn the Electoral College against Donald Trump have been in contact with close allies of Hillary Clinton, according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions, but the Clinton camp — and Clinton herself — have declined to weigh in on the merits of the plan.
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December 6, 2016 8:09am
B.L.Zeebub

Heh, my missus a long time Labour voter this morn,”I still can`t vote for them : ( ”
Yeah, I LOLed
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December 6, 2016 8:11am
Keeping Stock

Has the media learned nothing in the last few months? Today, they are trying to beat up the chances of blood on the floor at the National Party caucus meeting.

As I was driving to work, 3News said Amy Adams was tigth-lipped over whether her name would be in the hat, which the reporter took as a sign of nervousness by Adams. What bollocks; just because the media asks you a leading question, doesn’t mean you have to give them the answer they have decided they want.

I predict now that National’s leadership transition will be seamless and orderly, and not a drop of blood will be spilt. Close allies of the contenders will have had meetings and made phonecalls, and going in to next Monday’s caucus, they’ll know the numbers.

That’s a far cry from the Labour Party office suite, where Grant Robertson will have already sent a staffer to the local fish shop in search of snapper…
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December 6, 2016 8:14am
- RF
  
  Now I see why Jacinda is Grants deputy. She can supply snapper at a wholesale price from her fish shop. That’s solved Grants first financial decision.
  
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  December 6, 2016 12:36pm
Happychappy

Well when you think things would get better for Andrew Little he shows how outer of touch with the NZ voter he is by stating they won the safe Labour seat of Mt Roskil that has more National voters than Labour. Really two thirds of registed voters did not vote and Labours Phil Goff had over 18,000 votes at last election, Micheal Wood received just over 11,ooo vote this time.I have always said Winston had the biggest ego but Little appears to think he is a much better judge of his ability than the NZ Public.
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December 6, 2016 8:16am
sooty

Turned the goggle box on this morning, something I rarely do only for earthquakes, etc. It started up on TV1, there’s mum interviewing Laila Harre. Just why would you have her on your show. Whats the relevance for having her? NZ gave her the arse card along time ago. Are the churnilist scraping the bottom of the barrel, or what? By the way there was some male on as well, turnd tv off right smart, an’t watching crap!
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December 6, 2016 8:16am
waikatogirl

I have huge respect for Bill, he has surpassed expectations as Minister of Finance, he’s been a good deputy to John, but you can’t go back Bill. Shades of Jack Marshall, a very able man, but too nice and didn’t have the presence to front the country as leader.

Judith is the best candidate! The media seem to have written her off but JC learn’t her lesson and pulled her head in.

If Bill is chosen as leader, Judith as deputy please!!
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December 6, 2016 8:17am
- Inandout
  
  Key is a true family man. ‘Gentleman Jack’ Marshall was generally seen as a soft and weak PM, yet strangely supported the death penalty. He also spoke in a creepy manner, but was an author of several children’s books.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:54am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  And Judith, like yourself, is another Waikato Woman.
  But unlike you, I am sure, she has too many skeletons in the closet. That is a real pity, as I think she would be real good.
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:13am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Tauhei, Judith was stood down, spent her time on the back bench, redeemed herself and came back to her Ministerial position. She learn’t her lesson, improved her demeanour and hasn’t put a food wrong.
    
    The msm seem able to forgive their preferred politicians but don’t give extend this courtesy to those on the other side of the political spectrum, such as JC.
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:45am
    - Viking2
      
      all been there too long. Coleman for renewal.
      
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      December 6, 2016 8:59pm
- Liberty
  
  It is a real dilemma so much talent to choose from.
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:34am
  - Morrissey
    
    Ha ha ha ha ha!
    
    http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1329454630400_2287886.png
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:36am
    - Liberty
      
      Your B team is lacking in talent. Nothing but has-beens.
      Besides it is all academic. Labour mps are just pawns.
      As labour leaders are appointed by Trade Hall.
      
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      December 6, 2016 10:37am
- artemisia
  
  Agree. Ms Collins will (again) be pulled backwards through a thorn bush by the media and the opposition. She won’t care. In fact she’ll relish it.
  
  I recall Mr Key saying in an interview that he cuts the ribbons and Mr English does the heavy lifting. Obviously not completely true, but the heavy lifting in the Cabinet does seem to have found its true home.
  
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  December 6, 2016 12:19pm
Captain Mainwaring

Minister of everything Joyce should get the job, and he should also contest Helensville next year to prove (unlike Angry) that he can win an electorate seat. And he does live much closer to the electorate than Key does.
Keep English as Finance Minister but make Crusher or Paula Deputy leader.
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December 6, 2016 8:19am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Richard Prebble agrees with me and he’s no mug.
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:45am
  - Gabby
    
    He’s a bit of a mug.
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:31pm
Oskar

On a non-Key subject it looks as though those steel mesh importers either did not understand some of the nuances of buying from China or they took their eye off the ball.
With Chinese products there is an issue called “quality fade” where the samples and the initial deliveries are up to spec but thereafter the manufacturer starts to cut corners and reduce quality.
Here is a good article on it http://www.chinalawblog.com/2016/10/china-manufacturing-and-how-to-prevent-quality-problems.html

The article basically says that constant vigilance is required at the factory level by you or your agents to stop defective product leaving the manufacturer which also has the effect discouraging the manufacturer from lowering quality.
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December 6, 2016 8:26am
- holysheet
  
  I looked at bypassing my normal supplier and go direct to the Chinese manufacturer. I asked a friend if he had heard of anything that might influence this action. He said not to do it. He knows someone who did this very thing. Imported direct and instead of getting the product as specified, got 3 containers of sand instead of other chemicals. No come back as he had paid up front prior to delivery.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:38am
  - towaka
    
    Holysheet,
    As someone who works as an agent in China you would have to be crazy to make a final payment on goods without an inspection..especially a first time purchase.
    
    The other issue is finding a reputable agent with a lot of the Chinese agents being more concerned about “milking” the factories for secret commissions rather than doing a thorough inspection!
    
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    December 6, 2016 3:59pm
Happychappy

Just a thought but could anyone actually put in writing anything positive that Andrew Little has made or done when Leader or MP of Labour.
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December 6, 2016 8:31am
- waikatogirl
  
  He has made himself even more inconsequential than when he won the leadership. There are more confused people about his name, never mind thinking of achievements!
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:36am
- Pateke
  
  He has steadfastly kept Labour at under 30%. There you go. Positive.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:42am
- G152
  
  He’s boosted the National polls to 50%..
  Does that count ?
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:42am
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Okay then, what has John Key ever done for us?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7tvauOJMHo
    
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    December 6, 2016 12:05pm
waikatogirl

PH Poll on who should get the leadership of the National party. Crusher is way out in front, then Bill and in the slow lane, Amy Adams.
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December 6, 2016 8:32am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Just checked that poll. All the lefties and haters must have been up early to vote for Collins to skew the poll, but it’s far more balanced now. English 34%, Collins 32%.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:47am
  - itstricky
    
    No milk in the fridge? Lefties and haters fault.
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:58am
kowtow

The Bishop makes a silly comment about queers and earthquakes and the media/commentariat go hysterical……
……TV3 reveal “cultural marriage” aka paedophilia and the media/commentariat go …….silent.

Like this in Germany

“A MAJOR news programme has caused outrage for refusing to report on the arrest of a migrant over the murder of a German teenage girl because the story was “too regional” – despite making headlines around the world.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/740008/Maria-Ladenburger-murder-German-State-media-Tagesschau-report-migrant-killing-story
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December 6, 2016 8:33am
oldpark

How about Jonathon Coleman PM ,and Bill English,as deputy.
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December 6, 2016 8:34am
- virtualmark
  
  How about not?
  
  Remind me again just what Jonathan Coleman has achieved, or what personal qualities he has, that make him a credible candidate for PM???
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:53am
  - Viking2
    
    https://jonathancoleman.national.org.nz/about
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:03pm
EAD

•

stephieboy
Thank you John Key for your sterling service to your country and your party . You will always be fondly remembered as the master of Holyoake consensus styled politics that has , among many things , condemned Labour to the servitude of the opposition benches .
Also for your Progressive and Liberal spirit . Not forgetting also those golf rounds etc with that other champion of the same, President Obama that you so much admired .
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It is very rare that a “right-wing” Politician receives such glowing praise from the hard left. But whilst the hard left always want to push and push more and prefer the Greens/Labour, there seems to be a consensus that the Key years were good for the Left.

As Stephie rightly points out, Key managed to form a broad coalition of people who always vote National regardless, those who won’t vote Labour, those who like their PM to be blokeish and Social Justice Warriors who wanted to see the work of the Helen Clark continued and extended.

Key certainly hasn’t disappointed the last group. Off the top of my head I can think of the following that pleased the likes of our Stephieboy:
– Massive 3rd world immigration, particularly Islamic
– Inflation busting rises to welfare
– Deficit spending
– Continuation and extension of Labour’s key policies (WFF, interest free student loans), the former which Key once described as Communism by stealth
– Rather than ending the treaty gravy train, Iwi now even have more power and settlements are being made “full and final” up to 5 times with no end in sight
– He backed the Greens smacking bill in the face of overwhelming opposition from middle New Zealand
– He did much to promote the gay agenda, with perhaps his flagship policy being passing the homosexual marriage bill
– He did much to diminish the gravitas of the role of PM – whilst there were the catwalks, perhaps that radio appearance sealed it for him
– Lot’s of nanny state interference in peoples personal lives. From showerheads to lightbulbs to plan packaging to extra tough policing on small speed infringements, there wasn’t a aspect of life too small for Key and his government to get involved in
– The emissions trading scheme that drove up the costs for small business,
– Despite lots of talk Nothing done on the RMA
– The mainstreaming of “hate crimes” and hiring his enforcer Susan Devoy
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December 6, 2016 8:34am
- Aliog
  
  – he stopped ALL of your predicted financial melt-downs
  – he didn’t change the name of the party from National to National Socialist
  – he didn’t make Mein Kampf compulsory in schools
  
  Yip – he was an endless disappointment to you, EAD
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:41am
  - Keeping Stock
    
    EAD simply dislikes Key because of JK’s Jewish lineage.
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:48am
    - Inandout
      
      Yet paradoxically Muslim infestation has boomed during Key’s reign.
      
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      December 6, 2016 8:57am
      - stephieboy
        
        Inandout, time for you to team up with EAD and collaborate with a political manifesto for 2017 along the lines outlined below.
        
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        December 6, 2016 9:03am
      - Albert_Ross
        
        Your source and statistics for that, please
        
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        December 6, 2016 9:36am
  - stephieboy
    
    Allog. agreed and it’s time EAD put his toes into the political waters and tried out his National Socialist ideas. A manifesto that would also include ,
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    Restrictions placed on Jews and their choice of occupations , education , movement etc towards an ultimate final solution . Of course Muslims too.
    
    Race defilement laws forbidding intermarriage between Anglo-Saxons and the inferior darker races .
    
    Banning all immigration from non-European lands and even European non-Anglo-Saxon stock ( e.g Italians , Greeks, Albanians , Bosnians etc )
    
    Censorship of all media other than those reflecting EAD’s National Socialist alt-right aspirations .
    
    A string of gulags set up throughout the country for gays, Jews , Muslims and other racial and political undesirables
    
    etc, etc, etc
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:59am
  - EAD
    
    Hey Aliog and Keeping Stock,
    
    have you got any actualrebuttal to the points I raised or do you think godwinning suffices as a argument 🙂
    
    – “he stopped ALL of your predicted financial melt-downs”
    
    haha Aliog – you set a low bar for a leader and you also ascribe him powers that he doesn’t really have. We are but a bit player in the World Economy, buffeted by far bigger forces than a PM who doesn’t really make that much of a difference unless he’s a rank Socialist. Certainly the business owners I deal with have noted a surge in compliance and regulatory costs since his time in power so he was no friend of small business.
    
    It’s true he “avoided a meltdown” – but only by flooding the country with low-wage migrants that has actually shrunk GDP per capita, selling our family silver to foreign investors and borrowing heavily (albeit some of it necessary due to the quake) during a time when the OCR went from 8.25 to 1.75 and fuelled the biggest inflationary house price boom we’ve ever seen.
    
    This has had the consequence of leaving us more in debt collectively as a nation, savers earning a pittance (less than real inflation after tax) and housing at record highs relative to wages (a sign of a poor country). So whilst he haven’t had a “meltdown”, we are dangling by a precipice.
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:07am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      Where did I mention Hitler EAD?
      
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      December 6, 2016 9:18am
      - EAD
        
        EAD simply dislikes Key because of JK’s Jewish lineage.
        
        So no Keeping Stock, you technically didn’t mention “Hitler”, but rather than countering my points, you declared the facts I rattled off irrelevant because of JK’s heritage in the same manner an anti-fascist does to shut down the debate.
        
        Correct me if I’m wrong, but I don’t believe I have ever mentioned Key’s Jewish heritage. I have mentioned his father’s background as a radical as fighter in the International Brigade in the Spanish Civil War and how his Communist lineage must have had some impact on him growing up.
        
        Yes, I comment on Jews alot particularly with reference to their involvement in the MSM, Hollywood, Central Banking and in radical social movement and especially the paradox on how they almost universally promote 3rd world migration to Christian countries but not to Israel (always backed up by facts and links such as the below:
        
        http://www.jpost.com/National-News/Eritrean-migrants-resettled-from-Israel-to-Sweden-337414
        
        but never have I passed judgement on an individual due to their parentage.
        
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        December 6, 2016 9:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD, do focus on presenting your dream National Socialist manifesto for 2017 possibly along the lines already outlined .
      
      Racial defilement and Jewish laws could be the most interesting part .
      
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      December 6, 2016 9:31am
Keeping Stock

8.51am, and a certain right-leaning blog already has two stories this morning which paint Bill English in a less-than-flattering light. I doubt there will be much enthusiasm there for Paula Bennett either.

Personally, I think English deserves the chance to lead National towards a fourth term in office, and if he runs on an economic platform, he will do well. Logic suggests that if English is elected leader, his deputy will be a female, from Auckland. On that basis, I could live with either Paula Bennett or Judith Collins in that role.

Their styles are very different, and I wonder if Mrs Collins would take on the #2 role. Having said that, English won’t be around forever, and if she keeps her nose clean and is a loyal deputy, she could be next cab off the rank when English eventually retires.

I would be comfortable with Amy Adams as Deputy PM as well, but I doubt that a wholly South Island, rural combination will be elected. All three however are very competent operators, each with their own style.

It’s going to be interesting watching it all pan out.
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December 6, 2016 8:59am
- Colville
  
  Having a Woman in the leadership team could be great for Nat IF Judith can be a bit softer and more likable.
  
  I believe the elevation of Judith would force Labour to lift Jacinda wayyyyy above her ability level to Deputy, and that, Judith Vs My Little Pony , my friends will be great blood sport to watch 🙂
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:18am
- virtualmark
  
  KS,
  
  I suspect that we are destined for a “caretaker” National PM who will (inevitably, given the timing) take them through to the 2017 election but not have the charisma or public appeal to be a long-term solution.
  
  We should be looking further down the National caucus for newer MPs who have the warmth and personality to be the long-term replacement for John Key.
  
  English, Joyce, Bennet, Collins, Adams and others are all very capable Ministers. Good team players (well, maybe not Judith …). But I just don’t see them as inspiring leaders.
  
  They are just the sort of reliable stalwarts a previous generation of the National Party loved to elect as leader (witness Bolger …). But I suspect that one of John Key’s legacies is that he’s changed the archetype for a PM.
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:59am
- Garbageman
  
  Someone is desperate to have their name back on the PMs cell phone by the looks of it im sure we will be seeing plenty of pro Judith articles over the next few months from her bestest buddy and raging sycophant
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:39am
Manolo

The French Left fancies its chances:
http://www.thelocal.fr/20161205/french-pm-valls-to-announce-bid-for-presidency

French Prime Minister Manuel Valls announced on Monday he is running to become the Socialist candidate for president in elections next year.
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December 6, 2016 9:07am
Stars And Stripes

Public masturbator strikes again
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/87234592/further-reports-of-indecent-acts-at-east-auckland-beaches.
“Two reports of men carrying out indecent acts in public at east Auckland beaches and parks have been made to police in the past fortnight.
That follows two individual reports of men hiding in bushes or behind rocks and masturbating while watching young women at Mellons Bay Beach on November 24.”

Wonder if this involved young Muslim women with small firm breasts.
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December 6, 2016 9:10am
- Morrissey
  
  Shane Jones, seek help.
  
  By the way, I see what you did there, Stars and Stripes:
  
  “Mellons Bay… firm breasts”
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blpe_sGnnP4
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Stars And Stripes ,
  
  “Wonder if this involved young Muslim women with small firm breasts.”
  
  Your ultimate perv among many others ?
  
  Dirty guy !
  
  https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b5/7e/f0/b57ef04819626bea273ac4e7f3606f98.jpg
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:34am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    Just mention those magic words, Muslim and breasts and hey presto Stephieboy appears.
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:45am
    - holysheet
      
      it didn’t take long either. Want to go fishing some time? We both just reel them in.
      
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      December 6, 2016 11:54am
  - Manolo
    
    @stephieboy: Is sexual repression a generalised thing among Muslim males? How did you break the shackles?
    
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    December 6, 2016 10:06am
Liberty

Yesterday was a bummer.
Today the sun came up and the A team is still the Government.
Life is good.
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December 6, 2016 9:38am
Jack5

Scandals emerge from the student-visa immigration scam.

What a mess. The Immigration Minister, Woodhouse, and his associate, Foss, are hopeless.

Yet I think I heard a senior reporter of the Otago Daily Times suggest in a video clip on the newspaper web site that the resignation of John Key might mean promotion for Woodhouse, a list MP from Dunedin.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11760729
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December 6, 2016 9:39am
gorse

Don Brash gives John Key 5/10. I suppose this is better than the 0/10 he scored. He picks Judith Collins for PM. I have been talking this person around with colleagues, and we believe she will spell the death knell for National. She carries too much baggage and is seen as an unlikeable person.
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December 6, 2016 9:40am
- Pateke
  
  Anyone that the aged serial philanderer Brash supports is starting the race with both legs tied together
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:21am
  - RF
    
    Jesus Christ… Brash. The man whose ex wife came from Singapore.
    
    The visions of him walking the plank and climbing into a stock car are forever etched in my mind. The word Praying Mantis springs to mind.
    
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    December 6, 2016 12:45pm
- Ross12
  
  gorse
  “She carries too much baggage and is seen as an unlikeable person.”
  That is true in the eyes of the leftie MSM but not necessarily so in the eyes of the public. I know a lot of women, for example, who would welcome a strong, principled women as PM.
  What I think National needs to do is try to replicate the combination that existed between JK & BE –one was the big picture, “salesman” half and the other the detail , policy developer, back room half.
  Whoever they pick as PM needs to be able to stand up to what will a relentless negative campaign by the MSM political hacks.
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:33am
dime

As some of you may read, Dime cracked the shits with National last year.

I have been leaning 70/30 ACT v Winnie.

After yesterday, Winston showed he just doesnt have it anymore.

ACT! you are locked in.. unless you declare your love of muslim refugees, then its back to national.

fuck you im fickle 🙂
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December 6, 2016 9:46am
- Tauhei Notts
  
  I commenced my monthly automatic payment to Act nearly 22 years ago. And I think the same as Dime.
  
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  December 6, 2016 1:59pm
Inandout

Collins is an elected MP and Bill English is a List MP, the difference IMO between a true citizens’ representative, and a Party selected representative. Bill is an ideal Deputy PM working in the backrooms on his budgets. Collins would drain the roto.
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December 6, 2016 9:50am
- CrazyIvan
  
  Bill was a ‘people’s representative’ for 20 plus before standing aside last election (unfortunately for Todd Barclay). You might not like MMP but don’t imply that English is any less an MP than Collins because he hasn’t been an electorates MP for the last 2 yeas
  
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  December 6, 2016 12:22pm
tom hunter

An excellent interview with a Canadian professor on all the new speech rules – Bill C-16 – that are trundling forward into law in that country. Pretty sad stuff. ‘We’re teaching university students lies’ .

First, a brief background on the guy:

So I started taking psychology, and I was interested in clinical psychology. I did my PhD under Dr. Robert Pihl, and I worked on drug abuse, alcoholism, and aggression – there was a heavy biological emphasis. I did my post-doc with Dr. Pihl, and Maurice Dongier. Then I taught at Harvard for six years, and I’ve been at the University of Toronto ever since then.

My primary interest has always been the psychology of belief. Partly religious belief, and ideology as a sub-category of religious belief. One of Jung’s propositions was that whatever a person values most highly is their god.

Cool phrase.

I have this course called “Maps of Meaning,” which is based on a book I wrote by the same name, and it outlines these ideas. One of the things that I’m trying to convince my students of is that if they had been in Germany in the 1930s, they would have been Nazis. Everyone thinks “Not me,” and that’s not right. It was mostly ordinary people who committed the atrocities that characterized Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

Sad, but true.

The thing I object to the most was the insistence that people use these made up words like ‘xe’ and ‘xer’ that are the construction of authoritarians. There isn’t a hope in hell that I’m going to use their language, because I know where that leads.

I thought this was the key quote as he deals with “compelled speech”.

This stuff is not easy to understand. You might ask, ‘why can’t you just call people what they want to be called?’ Well, when someone questions your use of pronouns, it puts you on the spot. You don’t know why you use the pronouns you use. You use them because everyone else uses them – it’s a social convention.

Then someone else says ‘it’s a mark of respect to use a pronoun, and it’s a mark of respect to use the pronoun of someone’s choice’. Those are large-scale philosophical assaults. If you’re not prepared for them, all you can do is stumble around, and your default is going to be ‘well, maybe we should be nice’.

Large-scale philosophical assaults combined with responses of shrugged shoulders and binge nice to dictatorial little shits. I think it’s also that most people just roll their eyes at this “nonsense” and go along to get along.

But when you don’t, you find out that the “nonsense” has teeth and is a threat to your well-being. It certainly is a growing threat to this guy’s being a professor, as two warning letters from his university have made clear. I’d like to think the game is up on this Stalinesque bullshit, but it certainly gone a long beyond Marquess’s “right-not-to-associate” pablum. It’s dangerous, nasty shit.
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December 6, 2016 10:01am
- mikenmild
  
  It started with ‘Ms’, when since time immemorial we had been content to define a woman by her marital status, which is obviously the most important think about her. Going beyond ‘he’ or ‘she’ is so obviously a step towards totalitarianism.
  “First they came for the pronouns”
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:53am
  - tom hunter
    
    Ooooo – dismissive snark. It’s worked so well for you politically. And yes, as incredible as it may seem, they have come for the pronouns – and whoever uses them in an “offensive” way.
    
    I’ll let the good prof answer that…
    
    Well that’s another problem that’s lurking under the subjectivity argument, once you divorce identity from an objective underpinning. These people [advocates for multiple gender identities and laws to protect them] claim that identity is a social construct, but even though that’s their fundamental philosophical claim, and they’ve built it into the law, they don’t abide by those principles. Instead, they go right to subjectivity. They say that your identity is nothing more than your subjective feeling of what you are. Well, that’s also a staggeringly impoverished idea of what constitutes identity. It’s like the claim of an egocentric two-year old, and I mean that technically. Your identity isn’t just how you feel about yourself. It’s also how you think about yourself, it’s what you know about yourself, it’s your educated judgement about yourself. It’s negotiated with other people if you’re even vaguely civilized because otherwise no one can stand you. If your identity isn’t a hybrid of what you are and what other people expect, then you’re like the kid on the playground with whom no one can play.
    
    Plus, your identity is a practical vehicle that you use to manoeuvre yourself through life. In your real identity, you’re a lawyer, you’re a doctor, you’re a mother, you’re a father, you have a role that has value to you and others. None of that’s subjectively defined. So that’s completely absurd, and philosophically primitive, and psychologically wrong. Yet it’s built into the law. I think the law makes discussions of biology and gender illegal.
    
    His university obviously thinks so too, which is why they told him he was not allowed to repeat the statement that he won’t use these preferred pronouns (this in an organised debate about freedom of speech), and also why they’re writing him warning letters. They don’t want to get into legal trouble over “hate speech”.
    
    I also liked this Q&A:
    
    How do you define social justice warriors?
    
    They’re the ones who weaponize compassion.
    
    Exacta-Mundo! And they deserve to be treated the same way as EAD.
    
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    December 6, 2016 11:14am
    - mikenmild
      
      He said it in your first extract – ‘it’s a social convention’. I merely pointed out that conventions change. Concepts of gender and behaviour have changed, too.
      It seems to me that he is the one craving for authoritative (not authoritarian, of course) definitions where there are none.
      
      Bur it amuses me that you can use ‘snark’ and ‘social justice warriors’ in the same comment without irony.
      
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      December 6, 2016 12:29pm
      - tom hunter
        
        Social conventions are not social constructs, and social constructs do not overwhelm biological constructs with “feelings”.
        
        And change is not enabled by threatening people’s jobs and livelihoods. I’ve been more than happy to use “Ms”, but I’d be more than a little resistant to it if the woman concerned filed a harrasement complaint against me.
        
        But you don’t care about all this in your desire to fuck over right-wing conservatives, especially the religious ones. You’ll just raise an eyebrow when this guy gets fired.
        
        Fine – welcome to the world of EAD and President Donald Trump. To paraphrase your good self: the Left deserve both.
        
        Oh – and I was well aware of the irony in combining “snark” and SJW. I’m pleased that you also noticed! Makes for better conversations.
        
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        December 6, 2016 12:35pm
      - mikenmild
        
        He’s making an arse of himself, but he shouldn’t be fired for speaking what amounts to his mind.
        
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        December 6, 2016 12:37pm
      - tom hunter
        
        One more thing. If “Ms.” is the benchmark for success I’d have to say it’s been a failure. More a raised eyebrow joke about 1st Gen Feminism nowadays than any real blow against the “social conventions” of the patriarchy. This is the path along which the inventors and enforcers of “Xe” and “Xir” are trundling in their effort to fight the power.
        
        Pathetic and childish. Would that Evelyn Waugh were still alive.
        
        but he shouldn’t be fired for speaking what amounts to his mind.
        
        We’ll see what happens. Whether all the little “mikenmild’s” of Canada are willing to rise up in defence of free speech, or whether this will sit within the latest argumentative wheeze of the Left; that there are “consequences” to free speech?
        
        My bet is they’ll let him swing, probably with a self-satisfied smirk as they judge themselves being on the side of history.
        
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        December 6, 2016 12:51pm
Manolo

Another peaceful follower of the paedophile prophet:
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2016/12/04/man-terror-plot-lived-fantasy-life-behind-computer-screen/94806288/

Christopher Lee Cornell was sentenced to 30 years in prison for his unfulfilled terror plot to attack the U.S. Capitol and kill President Barack Obama during the 2015 State of the Union address.

Cornell, 22, pleaded guilty in August to charges including attempted murder of government officials and trying to provide support to a terrorist organisation.

Moments after the U.S. District Court in Cincinnati sentence, Cornell, of Green Township, said the courts are a “rigged a– system” and that “Allah’s in control, not the judge.”
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December 6, 2016 10:16am
Liberty

There has been a number of claims that Crusher has too much baggage.
That’s a easy cheap shot. But how about some facts
List them and get them out in the open.
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December 6, 2016 10:28am
- dime
  
  she had a glass of milk in china.
  
  i know this cause i used to listen to garners drive show and he spoke about this “non bletway” issue for weeks on end.
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:37am
- G152
  
  That comes from the left who attempted to destroy her unsuccessfully as it happened.
  That’s why I like to see Liebor with a patsy question for her and the apparent joy she shows as she cuts the questioner down
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:47am
- lifesgood
  
  Yeah, I’d like to know too. Just left wing propaganda, if you say something often enough people will believe it. A bit like “John Key is a liar” These idiots need to prove their statements.
  
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  December 6, 2016 11:47am
  - GoVege
    
    Or Cunliffe is “dodgy”.
    
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    December 6, 2016 5:29pm
Happychappy

MSM should ask Don Brash what his Legacy in Politics is and remind him of the fact there is only whimps and winners and John Key is a winner more than he was able to achieve.
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December 6, 2016 10:35am
Manolo

Let us hope the final two get the boot next year:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/photo-world-changed-obama-merkel-renzi-cameron-hollande-a7456471.html

An image of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, French President Francois Hollande, America’s outgoing President Barack Obama, Italy’s newly resigned Prime Minister Matteo Renzi and former British Prime Minister David Cameron speaks volumes about the turmoil seen in world politics over the course of this year.
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December 6, 2016 10:38am
SteveRemmington

Whoever they choose as leader, National need to throw the caring Left a curve ball and choose a leader who doesn’t have a daughter they can threaten to rape.
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December 6, 2016 10:39am
- sooty
  
  No one does nasty like the left!
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:35pm
EAD

(((New York Times))) trying to normalise paedophilia:

https://twitter.com/Stevenwhirsch99/status/804776950074146816

What next – sacrifice of your first born son?
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December 6, 2016 11:26am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  There is a difference between what is “normal” and what is “legal.”
  
  In recent years, some “abnormal” acts have become legalized, while some “normal” acts have become illegal.
  
  During wartime, you pay for every word you say.
  
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  December 6, 2016 11:38am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD,
  
  (((New York Times)))
  
  Where exactly ?
  
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  December 6, 2016 11:40am
  - Manolo
    
    All can be explained by wonderful multiculturalism.
    On the footsteps of the prophet, Allahu akbar, shouts stephieboy!
    
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    December 6, 2016 11:46am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Here
    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/06/opinion/pedophilia-a-disorder-not-a-crime.html
    
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    December 6, 2016 11:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      Maggy W , however nowhere does the writer Margo Kaplan opinion piece supports or endorses the practice . Rather this is her main argument and conclusion ,
      
      “..Acknowledging that pedophiles have a mental disorder, and removing the obstacles to their coming forward and seeking help, is not only the right thing to do, but it would also advance efforts to protect children from harm.”
      
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      December 6, 2016 12:10pm
Fletch

A Muslim who was “born to hate Jews” and brought up in Britain, visits Israel to see for himself and changes his mind.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCQEmeGfFmY
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December 6, 2016 11:45am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch, wonderful news that even Muslims can change ,
  
  Behold, I show you a mystery: We shall not all sleep; but we shall all be changed” Corinthians 15:51
  
  Sad though that even here on KB there are some who continue to harbour prejudices and hatred towards Jews .
  
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  December 6, 2016 12:13pm
Brigitte

Hmm, question time:

8. RON MARK to the Minister of Finance: Does he stand by all his statements

Let’s all have a guess what the follow up supplementary question will be.
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December 6, 2016 12:27pm
Fletch

In Day 3 of Wisconsin recount, Hillary loses 18,000 votes so far.

In the Wisconsin Day 3 Recount Update 18,422 votes for Hillary Clinton were erased resulting in a 15,133 vote net increase for Donald Trump.

http://alexanderhiggins.com/wisconsin-recount-day-3-hillary-loses/

The above link even has links to the official spreadsheets where you can do the calculations yourself.
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December 6, 2016 12:29pm
Fletch

The United Nations Human Rights Council just stood for a minute of silence … for Fidel Castro….

http://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2016/12/05/despicable-guess-who-the-un-human-rights-counsel-mourned-with-a-minute-of-silence/

Beyond words, really…
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December 6, 2016 12:47pm
- Odakyu-sen
  
  Let’s look at the members of the Council:
  
  Albania
  Algeria
  Bangladesh
  Belgium
  Bolivia
  Botswana
  Burundi
  China
  Congo
  Côte d’Ivoire
  Cuba
  Ecuador
  El Salvador
  Ethiopia
  France
  Georgia
  Germany
  Ghana
  India
  Indonesia
  Kenya
  Kyrgyzstan
  Latvia
  Maldives
  Mexico
  Mongolia
  Morocco
  Namibia
  Netherlands
  Nigeria
  Panama
  Paraguay
  Philippines
  Portugal
  Qatar
  Republic of Korea
  Russian Federation
  Saudi Arabia
  Slovenia
  South Africa
  Switzerland
  The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
  Togo
  United Arab Emirates
  United Kingdom
  Venezuela
  Viet Nam
  
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  December 6, 2016 12:54pm
- Dave Mann
  
  My God… sometimes life is an absolute farce 🙁
  
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  December 6, 2016 2:24pm
- Morrissey
  
  Castro, and Cuba, did more for human rights than Australia, New Zealand or the U.K.
  
  It’s beyond words for you, of course, because you have no intelligent argument to make.
  
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  December 6, 2016 3:23pm
Manolo

The clown Biden is going senile:
http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/05/joe-biden-predicts-he-will-run-for-president-in-2020-adds-that-he-is-not-yet-committed.html
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December 6, 2016 1:02pm
starboard

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/87250517/auckland-police-vow-to-catch-men-after-home-invasion-on-91-year-old-woman

Looking for…wait for it…2 big tough maori/PI’s.
Lowest of the low, worse than pond scum, lower than dog shit…bashing a 91 year old woman in her home. Disgusting.
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December 6, 2016 1:10pm
- stephieboy
  
  starboard , old sunshine ! Just a reminder that white folk also commit these kinds of heinous home invasions .
  
  Former preacher Simon Wallace convicted for a vicious home invasion ,
  
  “..In Invercargill District Court, Wallace was sentenced to three-and-a half years imprisonment for causing grievous bodily harm, nearly a year on from the brutal home invasion he initially denied.
  
  He was confronted with the consequences of his actions, as Judge Kevin Phillips called his behaviour “twisted” and “violent”….”
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/church-preacher-jailed-for-vicious-home-invasion-q04659
  
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  December 6, 2016 2:04pm
  - holysheet
    
    Stupidboy, you don’t need to take every post about feral scum and their crappy actions so personal all the time. That is unless you associate with these ferals, then your outrage is justified.
    Two wrongs don’t make it right. For once, why not acknowledge that there are more brown ferals doing this shit than there are whites.
    
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    December 6, 2016 4:40pm
    - GoVege
      
      If there are more “brown ferals” than white ones, it is only because their culture expects their females to all produce a large number of children, regardless of their ability to raise them.
      Over 80% of Maori women are raising their kids on the DPB and that is not good for any society.
      Every time some shocking crime like this occurs, don’t the rest of us have a right to know if the “ferals” involved were dragged up on our taxes?
      
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      December 6, 2016 6:22pm
      - Northland Wahine
        
        GoVege, every time you pull a stat like “80% of Maori women are raising their kids on dpb”, you negate any point you may be trying to make.
        
        And for the record, I hope the little shits are found and given a damn good beating. And get the maximum sentence that can be thrown at them.
        
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        December 6, 2016 9:35pm
    - Reid
      
      I think he hallucinates it’s a rather clever tactic. I think he hallucinates this because he thinks stereotyping happens a great deal all the time and it’s a great evil scourge that must be eliminated lest it break out all over the place so in his own small way he tries to do something about it.
      
      Of course the fact his premise is wrong means his efforts are futile which makes the whole thing rather a waste of time.
      
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      December 6, 2016 6:27pm
tom hunter

Snark or schadenfreude? Ace of Spades runs a little history of the MSM treatment of “Teabaggers” (hyuck, hyuck)? and finishes with a series of embedded links:

Hysterical! I love these people. L-O-V-E. Oh, the arrogance. Oh, their giggling. I love their cute little giggling the most. That’s what I’m doing right now, too! This has been a delightful little trip down memory lane.

Remember?

Gibson guitar raid.

IRS targeting of conservatives.

Screwing the GM bond holders.

Eliminating non-union pensions while topping up union pensions, out of pure political malice.

Asking Americans to report dissenters to the government.

And of course, decades and decades of this sort of thing.

“This sort of thing” is Stewart and Colbert gleefully welcoming Trump to the campaign.
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December 6, 2016 1:13pm
Tauhei Notts

The Washington Post just broke a story about the USD125,000,000,000 bureaucratic waste in The Pentagon.
Good luck to The Donald as he tries his utmost to drain that fetid swamp.
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December 6, 2016 1:53pm
- cha
  
  USD125,000,000,000 bureaucratic waste in The Pentagon.
  
  $125 billion up against the wall…*pfft*… an accounting error.
  /
  
  The United States Army’s finances are so jumbled it had to make trillions of dollars of improper accounting adjustments to create an illusion that its books are balanced.
  
  The Defense Department’s Inspector General, in a June report, said the Army made $2.8 trillion in wrongful adjustments to accounting entries in one quarter alone in 2015, and $6.5 trillion for the year. Yet the Army lacked receipts and invoices to support those numbers or simply made them up.
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-audit-army-idUSKCN10U1IG
  
  For the first three quarters of 2007, $1.1 trillion in Army accounting entries hadn’t been properly reviewed and substantiated, according to the Department of Defense’s inspector general. In 2006, $258.2 billion of recorded withdrawals and payments from the Army’s main account were unsupported. It’s as if the Army had submitted multibillion-dollar expense reports without any receipts.
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20080420231927/http://www.portfolio.com/news-markets/national-news/portfolio/2008/04/14/Pentagons-Accounting-Mess?page=0
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:43pm
- cha
  
  Good luck to The Donald as he tries his utmost to drain that fetid swamp.
  
  New POTUS, different year, same shit.
  
  America’s Defense Meltdown
  
  Pentagon reform for President Obama and the new Congress.
  […]
  
  Chapter 11: Understand, Then Contain America’s Out-Of-Control Defense Budget:
  
  […]
  
  …it is not that the defense budget adequately supports our irrelevant, even counterproductive forces. For that to be the case would be a significant improvement. Instead, to promote armed forces that fight the wrong type of war in the wrong places liberals, moderates and conservatives in the Pentagon, Congress, think tanks and the White House have over time constructed an edifice that makes our forces smaller, older and less ready to fight, all at dramatically increasing cost. And, we have done so with a system that, quite literally, does not know or apparently care what it is doing.
  
  http://pogoarchives.org/straus/americas-defense-meltdown-2008.pdf
  
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  December 6, 2016 10:05pm
Manolo

Mad as a snake:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/colin-craig-defamation-trial-will-not-be-tried-by-jury/ar-AAlbfyV?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Former Conservative party leader Colin Craig has won his bid for an upcoming defamation case to be heard by a judge alone.
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December 6, 2016 3:07pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Too complex???
  Who has Craig paid off now?
  Just like Hillary this prick is
  
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  December 6, 2016 6:55pm
  - nasska
    
    Careful Steve……you’re writing about the golden boy of the Christian conservatives. I seem to remember that he was going to lead everyone back to the 1950s where apple pie, chastity & morality ruled supreme.
    
    Can’t now get a peep out of the arseholes who supported him as their saviour.
    
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    December 6, 2016 7:23pm
Manolo

The Green Party con:
WI recount, day 5: Precincts w/38.16% of Election Night votes now complete. Net change overall: Trump +19.
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December 6, 2016 4:17pm
Longknives

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87201111/evicted-man-is-staying-on-principal

Staying “On Principle”…
Got that? It’s nothing at all to do with sponging a free House…
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December 6, 2016 4:39pm
Happychappy

What a bunch of wankers the left turned out to be in the Prime Ministers Resignation and Legacy debate in Parliament this afternoon.How could anyone that listened to Winston Peters speech ever consider him as a wise Leader and a kingmaker after his mumbled badly worded and spineless abuse of John Key.If this is the alternative Government in waiting and this is what Little, Peters and the Greens want to incite and divide NZ’s and expect people to vote for change then we are in trouble.This will send people in their droves back to Australia again if these party’s are elected.
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December 6, 2016 5:04pm
- stigie
  
  I also listened Happychappy, couldn’t believe what i was hearing from the vile Peters, the vitriol from Turei, Little and that tosser Prosser.
  Must make them feel good about themselves. The only person who was somewhat gracious in Keys resignation was Annette King, and good for her.
  
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  December 6, 2016 5:31pm
  - GoVege
    
    So what did they say?
    That (under Key) foreign non-residents have been permitted to buy up heaps of our most desirable land and properties, making home ownership an unaffordable dream for young Kiwis?
    What else?
    
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    December 6, 2016 6:35pm
Reid

The British Foreign Minister says that the foreseeable Syrian government victory in Aleppo will not be a gain at all. Bollocks. He and his colleagues have obviously given up on the case and now issue face saving laments. Syria’s alliance is winning, U.S. policy is changing and the end of the war is now foreseeable. The British MI-6 propaganda operation “Bana Alabed” expired. The operation’s main star was a seven year old girl in east-Aleppo who could not speak English but tweeted world politics in perfect Twitter-English even when the Internet in all Aleppo was down. It has now vanished. This is just like one of the first anti-Syrian propaganda operations, the “Gay girl in Damascus”, which expired in 2011 shortly before its male U.S. operator in Scotland was exposed. What will all the media who have willfully fallen for this “Bana” nonsense now tell their viewers and readers?

Since the start of the Syrian army offense on the Takfiri held east-Aleppo some 21,000+ civilians have left towards the government held areas in the western part. Several news accounts confirm that these civilians had been held hostages by the Takfiris and had to flee under fire:…

Isn’t it a relief to know the West has been lying all this time and the civilians in Syria don’t really hate Assad, they hate the terrorists.

It’s going to be fantastic isn’t it when the millions and millions of Syrians shout so fucking loud even the dimmest sheeple won’t be able to continue happily munching the green green grass of bliss, ignorance and profound stupidy. Even the very biggest dullards who only last month won World’s Biggest World Fair World Moron Federation Champion group event, will now have to wake the fuck up and recognise how stuuuuuuuuuuuupid they’ve been all these years as they’ve hallucinated the West was just twying to save the civilians and now they learn the side they live in and naturally support, are actually profoundly evil murderers.

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2016/12/syria-roundup-east-aleppo-siege-nears-its-end.html#more
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December 6, 2016 6:17pm
fernglas

Sarharlent nart

hoholly nart

Sleep in hairvonley peaheese

Sleeheep in hairvonley peas.

Thanks TV1. Whatever the ad is for, I switched off early.
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December 6, 2016 6:20pm
stigie

Now, i’ve just noticed that ZTrev has made 2 contributions on the “three standing for leader” post, one at 3.57 and the other at 3.59. Wasn’t he in the speakers chair at those times or does he makes these comments before he goes to work..?
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December 6, 2016 6:33pm
- Reid
  
  Good spotting.
  
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  December 6, 2016 6:38pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  shot stigie, nicely spotted.
  
  excuse me while I prepare some humble pie with a sidedish of dumbarse
  
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  December 6, 2016 6:52pm
- mikenmild
  
  Where did the ridiculous idea that ztev was Trevor Mallard come from?
  I see some of the fuckwits also think that marquess is Jacinda Ardern.
  Do they really think Kiwiblog is that significant?
  
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  December 6, 2016 7:44pm
  - itstricky
    
    Because their opinions are so good that only a Labour MP could ever disagree with them.
    
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    December 6, 2016 8:11pm
    - Gabby
      
      Nobody other than a Labour MP would dare address them directly. For they are truly exalted.
      Though their undies don’t half pong.
      
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      December 6, 2016 8:27pm
- sam green
  
  Bags you tell Kimbo ?
  
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  December 6, 2016 7:50pm
- Gabby
  
  You just noticed that? Slightly less retarded than squawwwwkie and captain crustypants.
  
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  December 6, 2016 7:53pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    How did you get out again slave?
    
    It’s back to the dungeon with you!
    
    EAD tie the slapper up properly this time and also gag it with the solid ball this time!
    
    No I don’t want the breathable ball you incompetent fool, the solid ball and that 6in but plug too, the one with a horses tail.
    
    Fuckn Gabby you gotta learn to behave
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:03pm
    - Gabby
      
      Far less retarded than ol’ crustypants.
      
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      December 6, 2016 9:06pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        She-it Gabby, no controlling you tonight.
        
        One more outburst and it’s going to be all duelling banjo’s and squealing pigs on the GD tonight.
        
        Now take a toke on that crack pipe, pit ya gag back in and shut the hell up
        
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        December 6, 2016 9:11pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Stigie:
  
  … before he goes to work …
  
  The word “work” probably doesn’t accurately describe what Trevor does for a living. Maybe something like “opens his mouth”?
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:07pm
- RF
  
  Who cares who he really is…
  any port in a storm…. ZTev can take one for the team. You could call him a stalking horse.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:33pm
Reid

Excellent quote on Whale re: Key:

“If you set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing.”

Maggie Thatcher. Many people who admire Key also admire Thatcher. I don’t understand why, they’re completely different people.

https://i0.wp.com/www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/15267791_10154362273293579_5789979980832400822_n.jpg?w=736
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December 6, 2016 6:37pm
RF

There are some sad sacks of shit that frequent the standard. It’s like a beehive over there with JK being condemned to hell for committing god knows what heinous crimes against everyone in NZ.

One theory is he was dumped after losing the recent election. Others claim there is a “book” about to
be released.

Hard to believe these idiots are kiwis.
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December 6, 2016 7:02pm
- itstricky
  
  Hard to believe these idiots are kiwis.
  
  KB is just not like that.
  
  http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2009/04/helen_clark_valedictory_speech.html/comment-page-1
  
  “bullshit”
  “bilious shit”
  “fuck right off”
  “I hope National MPs turn their backs on her”
  “As she leaves I hope someone shouts ‘on ya bike loser'”
  “I await her apology”
  “smug arrogant smirking totalitarian socialist”
  “She will stand up and confess to a long standing affair with Cullen” followed by “he will loose his bet about which way she really likes it”
  “why does she deserve my respect?” followed by a long list of imaginary woes
  “political pimp”
  
  And that’s just page 1 of a few posts on that one subject.
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:09pm
nasska

…..” It’s like a beehive over there”…..

Wrong analogy…..a wasp nest would better describe the bitter no hopers.
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December 6, 2016 7:29pm
- Griff
  
  It’s like a beehive over there
  
  That would explain the futile and pointless buzzing of useless drones since they lost queen Clarkenfurer to another hive….
  
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  December 6, 2016 7:53pm
Manolo

Bringing the peace of Islam to The Netherlands:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4002014/Iranian-stabbed-death-Dutch-migrant-centre-fellow-asylum-seekers-discovered-GAY.html

An Iranian was almost stabbed to death in a Dutch migrant centre after fellow asylum seekers reportedly found out he was gay.

Police initially thought the attack on the 25-year-old in the town of Bellingwolde in the north-eastern part of the Netherlands was drugs-related.

But an LGBT organisation says it has witness statements confirming that the assault was because the victim is gay.
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December 6, 2016 7:55pm
nasska

The average person has sex 127 times a year.

My December is going to be fucking awesome.
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December 6, 2016 8:50pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nice one Nasska – I hear Christchurch is a lovely place at this time of the year!
  
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  December 6, 2016 8:58pm
  - nasska
    
    I wouldn’t risk it Nostra. After considering the perils of earthquakes, HIV, bestiality & anal rape at Hagley Park I reckon that even if you were going to die a virgin staying in the Wairarapa would still be a better option. 🙂
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:05pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  off to see Johnboy??
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:06pm
  - nasska
    
    I’ve got more sheep than he has Awww C-mon…..
    
    ….and I’d never come between JB & Flossie. 🙂
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:11pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Yeah but why sully yours when his are trained to it?
      
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      December 6, 2016 9:14pm
Nostradamus

I think the Colin Craig v John Stringer.defamation litigation (mentioned by Manolo above) has turned into a circus.

We’ve had 4 judgments so far:
– 4 March 2016
– 22 April 2016
– 22 August 2016
– 23 November 2016.

The 4 March 2016 judgment pointedly noted at [2], [3], [4] and [6]:

Beyond these matters, the ordinariness of the application ceases. The pleadings are complex. The pleading of the plaintiff, Mr Craig, runs some 311 paragraphs with many sub-paragraphs, occupying 80 pages. Thirty-one causes of action, all in defamation, are pleaded.

The defendant, Mr Stringer, in turn, initially filed a statement of defence and counterclaim. It is a 78-page document comprising partly a statement of defence and partly a counterclaim which appears to contain 31 causes of action. Mr Craig and his wife were named as counterclaim defendants.

After Mr Craig filed his strike out application, Mr Stringer filed an amended statement of defence and counterclaim. It is a 46-page document but annexes a 28- page “Defence Schedule” containing 13 documents. The amended statement of defence in its pleading is a more succinct document than the original statement of defence in that Mr Stringer has endeavoured to meet the requirement to admit or deny allegations in the statement of claim.
…
Finally, this proceeding is now complicated by the fact that already complicated matters of litigation are to be conducted by individuals who have no legal qualifications. Mr Stringer has indicated to Mr Craig that he is likely to request trial by jury.

The 22 April 2016 judgment concerned a bizarre application for non-party discovery by Craig. As Associate Judge Osborne described it, Craig wanted to make Vodafone “search both its online and off-line storage and determine whether it has control of any email correspondence which has been sent to or from Mr Stringer’s email account between the dates of 1 November 2014 and 26 February 2016”. The Associate Judge dismissed Craig’s application.

Then we’ve had two further judgments dealing with document discovery and the jury trial question.

The trial isn’t until next year – and the proceeding has already turned into a circus.
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December 6, 2016 8:52pm
- Griff
  
  Conservatism has officially died in nz politics
  A death of a thousand gooey love poems and sundry defaced virgins.
  Pointless legal fights are merely the epitaph.
  A fitting obituary for what was an ideology well past its use by date.
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:00pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Colin Craig’s conservatism was in name only – he’s as radical as they come.
    
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    December 6, 2016 10:11pm
nasska

Who pays for the judgements on all these applications Nostra. The taxpayer through the Justice vote or the litigious bums themselves?
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December 6, 2016 8:57pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Nasska:
  
  I was wondering about the costs position.
  
  Justice Gendall said this in the 23 November 2016 judgment at [49]:
  
  [49] Both parties here are self represented. Issues of costs in this matter therefore, it would seem, do not arise. If, however, any issues concerning disbursements on these applications may be alive, then leave is reserved for any party to approach the Court further on 48 hours’ notice for any directions required.
  
  So Craig and Stringer pay their own costs. The taxpayer pays the judges’ salaries and courtroom fumigation costs.
  
  That’s why, in the case of Vince Siemer, the courts eventually blacklisted him as a vexatious litigant. In fact, I read that judgment relatively recently, and planned to comment on it at some stage. It’s hilarious. Siemer thought the lower courts got it wrong, and the higher court agreed – except they decided that the lower courts were too generous!
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:03pm
  - nasska
    
    Thanks Nostra. It smells that we have to provide a ring for the circus these clowns want to hold.
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:08pm
Jack5

Silver Fern Farms, the country’s biggest meat processor, is still being called a co-operative by the MSM after a Chinese company has taken control.

Shanghai Maling, of China, has 50 per cent of the shares – effective control. It has appointed four directors to the board.

A shameful sell-out to the People’s Republic of China after incompetent management all but ran the former co-operative into the ground.
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December 6, 2016 9:08pm
Awww C-mon

Question re Ztev.

Is the only thing worse than being Trev, pretending to be Trev??
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December 6, 2016 9:12pm
- Nostradamus
  
  I think it’s the other way round, Awww C-mon. If you’re pretending to be Trevor, at least you can revert back to your real identity. If you’re actually Trevor, on the other hand, then you’re a bit stuck!
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:14pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Fair play Nostradamus.
    
    Neither option sounds appealing,
    
    it’s a matter of will the real Trev shady please stand up, please stand up, please stand up… put ya mondeo on a bollard and please stand up
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:18pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Yeah I can see youse all bobbing ya heads and waving ya arms….
      
      Gangsta
      
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      December 6, 2016 9:19pm
Jack5

More evidence that the student-visa scheme is a huge rort – companies and institutions, many of them foreign owned and run, selling a route to NZ citizenship under pretence of offering education.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/education/news/article.cfm?c_id=35&objectid=11760874
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December 6, 2016 9:13pm
- Griff
  
  Dog woke me up 2am dragging around a nice juicy little piggy
  Griff preformed the coup de grâce under the light of an extremely dim torch using a box cutter the only knife he could find.
  Suckling pig on the bbq for Crissy din dins.
  
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  December 6, 2016 9:29pm
  - nasska
    
    The dog’s a keeper Griff.
    
    Better invite Go Vege round for a bit of Xmas protein. Imagine celebrating the festive season with a bean salad & a head of raw broccoli. 🙂
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:34pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Go Vege, this is the sort of story that’s missing from your life…
    
    Snap Nasska
    
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    December 6, 2016 9:34pm
  - RF
    
    Griff. Is it true that you live in the Auckland CBD.
    
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    December 7, 2016 8:29am
Jack5

Suckling pig for Christmas.

Great, but not very multicultural of you, Griff. The Stephie team won’t like it at all. Christmas plus pork!
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December 6, 2016 9:41pm
Jack5

If you have any doubts that the National Coalition has handed Radio New Zealand over to Maoridom have a look at Radio NZ’s web site tonight:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/319768/mps'-lack-of-interest-in-treaty-bills-'heartbreaking‘
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December 6, 2016 9:52pm
Jack5

The Sioux tribes’ chief tells oil line protesters to go home, but they are hooked on the adrenalin and want to stay.

Will the haka parties now return to NZ?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/06/standing-rock-protesters-asked-to-go-home-by-sioux-leader
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December 6, 2016 10:22pm
BeeSting

Ordered my Hams

Had the Dogs Sleeping under the Christmas Tree.

God Bless them.

You know the Celts used to breed dogs for hunting people big enough and agile enough to take someone off a horse.

Got to keep those traditions going.

You used to need a good dog in Auckland
I reckon you need 2 or 3 now.
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December 6, 2016 11:27pm
Manolo

How times have changed!
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2339873/german-leader-angela-merkel-says-full-veil-is-not-appropriate-here-in-astonishing-u-turn/

Angela Merkel today completed an astonishing U-turn as she formally endorsed a full burka ban following a backlash over her open-door migration policies.

The German chancellor made the comments at a Christian Democratic Union (CDU) conference having recently declared she will seek re-election.
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December 7, 2016 6:16am
Manolo

A well-known elitist crook lectures the populace, the ignorant, the unwashed.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/05/tony-blair-sees-dangerous-times-ahead-western-democracies-trump-italy/95006730/
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