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Milhous

The Trump Carrier Deal…..

Textbook Crony Capitalism?

A sign of things to come ?… i e tax breaks for corporates that threaten to shift jobs overseas?

Come on Trumpistas if Key did this (and he has), you’d be squawking like kookaburras.
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December 4, 2016 8:11am
- dime
  
  Have the details been released? I haven’t seen them
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:19am
  - Milhous
    
    7 million in tax breaks for Carrier re Indiana taxes.
    
    …and still 1000 jobs go to Mexico .
    
    Even Palin has slammed it
    
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    December 4, 2016 8:22am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Could you provide a link, thanks.
      
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      December 4, 2016 8:23am
      - Milhous
        
        http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/business/economy/trump-carrier-pence-jobs.html
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:28am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Milhous
        
        http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/business/economy/trump-carrier-pence-jobs.html“
        
        ((((((NY Times))))))
        
        A discredited dying paper that shilled for the big time loser – Killary.
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:43am
  - itstricky
    
    Details like the new referendum?
    
    Would you rather:
    
    (A) subsidise for Africa; or
    (B) pay more for goods
    
    Please select just one.
    
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    December 4, 2016 8:23am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      (((Globalists))) built the yellow Chinese middle class by turning the white middle class of the USA into broke junkies:
      
      “Between 1998 and 2013, Case and Deaton argue, white Americans across multiple age groups experienced large spikes in suicide and fatalities related to alcohol and drug abuse—spikes that were so large that, for whites aged 45 to 54, they overwhelmed the dependable modern trend of steadily improving life expectancy.”
      
      http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/01/white-working-class-poverty/424341/
      
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      December 4, 2016 8:47am
      - kowtow
        
        Too bad , white lives don’t matter.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:55am
- Fletch
  
  Apparently he also used the leverage that they may lose their lucrative Govt contracts if they moved to Mexico.
  
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  December 4, 2016 12:19pm
Chuck Bird

This POS gets 3 yr 11 months for a late guilty plea. This sounds like another case of plea bargaining to get the same money for a lot less work for the law firm that does the prosecution.

I bet the Children’s Commissioner has nothing to say as usual.

Man jailed for putting toddler into scalding bath as punishment

The child’s mother said she felt “disgusted and hurt” by Ritchie’s actions and Judge Phillips said it was hard to imagine a worse breach of trust.

“I consider the child to be totally and absolutely vulnerable,” he said.

“This falls at the highest possible end of this type of criminal offending.”

Ritchie was jailed for three years and 11 months.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11759750
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December 4, 2016 8:13am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  NZ will become like culturally enrichened Diversified Germany soon enough, then you will have something to really complain about, but you will be powerless because whites will be a minority in a Leftist multicultural dystopia:
  
  “An Iraqi refugee who was jailed after claiming it was a sexual emergency when he raped a boy in a swimming pool has had the sentence overturned.
  
  An appeal court accepted the defence lawyer’s claim that the lower court had not done enough to ascertain whether or not the rapist had realised the schoolboy was saying no.
  
  The attacker, identified as 20-year-old Iraqi migrant Amir A., had been treated to a trip to the Theresienbad pool in December 2015 as part of the integration process.”
  
  http://www.thelocal.at/20161021/verdict-on-swimming-pool-rape-case-overturned
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:35am
  - stephieboy
    
    Swimming pool sexual assaults by white men don’t occur in our ones and elsewhere ?
    
    http://www.newshub.co.nz/nznews/paedophile-jailed-for-assault-at-auckland-pool-2014100610
    
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    December 4, 2016 8:40am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      stephieboy is trying to cover up the mass rape of white people by muslim “refugees”.
      
      stephieboy really HATES white people.
      
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      December 4, 2016 9:01am
    - lilman
      
      Trump will send all those who feel the need to impose their values on the west to meet ALLAH.
      
      YES !!!!!!!!!!
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:31am
  - Gabby
    
    Post it again in another three months and it will look like another fresh outrage, again. Stoke those fires now.
    
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    December 4, 2016 8:40am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Gabby doesn’t want anyone to know about the rape of a little boy by a muslim “refugee”.
      
      Why does Gabby feel this way?
      
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      December 4, 2016 8:53am
      - stephieboy
        
        And non Muslims pedophiles are not partial to young boys as my post above suggests ?
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:59am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        stephieboy
        
        And non Muslims pedophiles are not partial to young boys as my post above suggests ?
        
        stephieboy is also trying to bury rape crimes by Mohammedan imports to save his Leftist Diversity narrative.
        
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        December 4, 2016 9:08am
      - Gabby
        
        Gabby got the news the last fucking time you posted it. Change the fucking record.
        
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        December 4, 2016 9:10am
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Gabby
        
        Gabby got the news the last fucking time you posted it. Change the fucking record
        
        We are talking about the brutal sodomy of a little white boy by a Mohammedan imported by Leftists because Multiculturalism or something.
        
        Why does Gabby hate white people so much he is happy to see a Mohammedan walk away free laughing at his raping a little white boy?
        
        Sad. 🙁
        
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        December 4, 2016 9:18am
      - lilman
        
        Stephie,Im just not partial to Muslims.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:32am
      - marleybob
        
        Could it be gabby is feeling jealous and left out.
        The symptoms are all there, sadness, jealously and hate.
        
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        December 4, 2016 7:18pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      “Post it again in another three months and it will look like another fresh outrage”
      
      Sure Gabby, tell that to raped white boy, I’m sure in three months he will understand his “White Privilege” was really to blame and appreciates the cultural enriching that Leftist gave him with their Diversity program.
      
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      December 4, 2016 9:13am
      - fernglas
        
        If you bother to read the article, you will see that he hasn’t “walked free”. The offender has been convicted of sexual abuse of a minor, the rape charge has gone back to Court for a rehearing and the offender remains in custody. If there is sufficient evidence of absence of consent next time then he will be reconvicted.
        But of course, reading the whole article might be a tad inconvenient to your narrative of the “Mohammedan walking away free laughing”.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:18am
      - starboard
        
        Gobbys mask falls off, the real gobby has been exposed, I haven’t seen gobby get all excited and go pro muslim before.
        Hmmm.
        
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        December 4, 2016 1:06pm
- GoVege
  
  Four years for torturing and disfiguring a 3 year old?
  This sadist is who prisons were invented for.
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:28am
  - Stars And Stripes
    
    I have doubts about this story actually because I did not think the lower classes washed their children!.
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:07am
  - kowtow
    
    Prison would be too good for it, the gallows were invented for the likes of this.
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:57am
  - cha
    
    This sadist is who prisons were invented for
    
    The sadist.
    
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    December 4, 2016 1:44pm
Happychappy

One third of the registered voters in the Mt Roskil went to the polls and voted yesterday and the Leader of the Labour Party thinks he is ten foot tall and bullet proof. A By Election result is a lot different to the General Election and Labour MP’s are letting their mouths replace their brains with comments like internal polling isn’t wrong like has been suggested. A win for Andrew Little is like gold so let him have this moment in the sun as it sure as hell won’t last more than the holiday season.
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December 4, 2016 8:21am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Helen and the Feminists gave Labour terminal GRIDS ( Gay Related Immuno Defense Syndrome ).
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:27am
- Gabby
  
  I spose he said something outrageous like ‘it was a pleasing result and well done to Michael Woods’? What a fucking rotter. A crappy chappy indeed.
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:29am
  - calendar girl
    
    Whether or not you happen to agree with regular commenter Happychappy, he does not deserve your
    “crappy chappy” references in response.
    
    You flout DPF’s guidelines on respecting contributors’ aliases / noms-de-plume, and I wonder how long you will be permitted to continue doing so.
    
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    December 4, 2016 8:44am
    - srylands
      
      Probably a long time unfortunately.
      
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      December 4, 2016 8:56am
    - Gabby
      
      It’s different when the right do it. Pompous sanctimony an added feature.
      
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      December 4, 2016 9:12am
    - Happychappy
      
      Thank you CG but i have to say that all though i am not a fan of Gabby i have said a couple of things to MM that probably shouldn’t have been posted,so if you give it you have to except it when it arrives back or you will end up being a serial whinger like Andrew Little.
      
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      December 4, 2016 9:15am
      - calendar girl
        
        Fair enough, Happychappy – that’s your call. Good on you.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:37pm
    - mikenmild
      
      calendar girl
      Correct.
      I also trust you will be complaining when commenters refer to stephieboy as ‘stupidboy’ or to me as ‘milkmaid’, etc. Good to see someone standing up for good standards of behaviour.
      
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      December 4, 2016 9:24am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yet you call people ‘morons’ which is also against the rules…
        
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        December 4, 2016 9:35am
      - thedavincimode
        
        I would never call you “milkmaid” milky.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:12am
      - mikenmild
        
        AoR – I’m not sure that it is against the rules to use an accurate description of someone.
        But feel free to report any comment of mine which you believe breaks DPF’s policies. If I get sanctioned, I will try to rephrase: Instead of writing ‘AoR is a moron’, I will write ‘AoR’s argument is moronic’.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:28am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thanks Mikey but fortunately neither my arguments are moronic and nor am I a moron.
        Mind you, some of the people you call a moron ARE morons. Just like Stephie actually IS stupid. Oh, and I couldn’t be bothered complaining. Much easier to give shit back- like how you are a ‘has no life loser’ who spends all his time on KB being a snarky smartarse, how sad.l see you have passed 26,000 comments now. On the way to 27,000, wow- what an achiever!/sarc
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:02pm
      - mikenmild
        
        That’s very wounding.
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:05pm
      - starboard
        
        “milkmaid”..* chortle *
        
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        December 4, 2016 1:10pm
      - calendar girl
        
        I don’t read all posts, and I’m not responsible for content other than my own. (And you’re probably big enough to look after yourself after 26,000 comments!) Gabby’s persistent “witty” abuse is simply offensive much of the time.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:43pm
    - cmm
      
      Naah, let her do it. It helps people identify herway of thinking and lets them put the right label on her.
      
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      December 4, 2016 9:27am
    - itstricky
      
      I wonder how long you will be permitted to continue doing so.
      
      Probably about as long as it takes the children to get tired of their “censor stephieboy” high school hijinks, I’d say.
      
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      December 4, 2016 11:38am
    - sam green
      
      Your credibility would be enhanced calendar girl if you applied that edict consistently to all commenters. I’ll be waiting for next time when you caution starboard or any of the many others.
      
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      December 4, 2016 1:36pm
- Paulus Gnome
  
  One Swallow does not a summer make nor one fine day – reference to some really really old Greek dude
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:30am
- Komata
  
  As I have noted elsewhere, and based on the fact that NZ labour actually has no real policies worthy of the name, one has to wonder exactly what the new MP promised his electorate to get them to vote in such a resounding manner, especially as Mt Roskill is Djibouti Central, with a very high number of African / Muslim immigrants within its boundaries.
  
  Cue Stephieboy along to justify the results.
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:27am
  - mikenmild
    
    What would you call a ‘very high number’ of Africans or Muslims? Feel free to lump in any other groups which scare you to make the number more impressive.
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:32am
    - Morrissey
      
      A few generations ago, people like “Komata” would have been chuntering on about a “very high number of Jews.”
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:52am
  - Gabby
    
    He might have promised not to biff horseshoes at anyone.
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:05am
  - sam green
    
    High compared to? You? Unless of course you are African.
    
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    December 4, 2016 1:38pm
- Morrissey
  
  All that shoving, threatening, attempts at verbal intimidation and throwing of horseshoes came to nothing for the National Party. Audrey Young sums it up nicely in the Herald:
  
  The Labour leader has described the win as ‘a bloody nose for National’. It is more like a bloody nose, a black eye and broken jaw.
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:21am
- UrbanNeocolonialist
  
  7% of the residents of Mt Roskill are muslims who won’t vote for a hindu (not a person of the book) or for a woman (a domestic appliance). If all Muslims in the electorate voted they could account for 25% of all the votes cast.
  
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  December 4, 2016 11:03am
  - mikenmild
    
    Not forgetting all the Christians who won’t vote for a Hindu.
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:08am
    - Kimbo
      
      No, as per Martin Luther, they’ll vote for a competent Turk ahead of an incompetent Christian. In New Zealand at least. Louisiana? Maybe not so much…
      
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      December 4, 2016 11:59am
    - sam green
      
      What about all those Labour voters who won’t vote for National candidate?
      
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      December 4, 2016 1:41pm
  - GoVege
    
    I like that “domestic appliance” definition.
    And I suppose some men do knock the appliances around when they don’t do their job fast enough.
    
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    December 4, 2016 2:44pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

LOL, I LOVE this guy!

Duterte Wishes Drug Dealers & Criminals a Merry Christmas…Then Tells Them it Might Be Their Last!

http://theralphretort.com/duterte-wishes-drug-dealers-criminals-merry-christmas-tells-might-last-1203016/
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December 4, 2016 8:26am
- stephieboy
  
  Never mind the many innocent shot dead and nothing remotely to do with drug trafficking.
  
  Duterte rather like you is a sicko and a thug !
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:46am
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Can we do the same here in NZ please? Would solve one hell of a lot of problems. What’s that? nothing wrong with vitamin P?
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:23am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    Duterte is applying a solution appropriate for a Third World country – non white population and culture which means no functioning political and social institutions of the kind we white Western countries have created and enjoy the benefits of.
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:57am
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      What has non white got to do with it? Criminals are criminals and drug dealers are scum. Get rid of them no matter what colour or political system.
      The bait worked Jazz
      
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      December 4, 2016 4:24pm
    - marleybob
      
      Might be third world but that depends where you are while there, Some of the places I have been are world class, must be because they sting your wallet, but on the good side , Hotels are first rate infact better than any I have stayed in here in NZ, beer is just excellent and cold, and the woman are so much better to look at than a fat heifer with her guts hanging out thinking she is catch.
      
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      December 4, 2016 7:56pm
calendar girl

An impressive win to Michael Wood in Mt Roskill. He can anticipate holding the seat for a long time, I expect .

Sadly for the voters of Mt Roskill, Mr Wood’s own account of his background and achievements http://www.labour.org.nz/introducing_michael_wood_labours_candidate_for_mt_roskill offers very little to indicate that he will be anything beyond a Labour Party time-server.

He appears steeped in Labour’s workers’ party background (including working in the union movement) and many years of clawing his way into positions of Party influence in preparation for this long-awaited ‘safe seat’ opening. Now that he’s finally the MP for Mt Roskill, he will undoubtedly be a faithful foot-soldier – but it’s difficult to see him emerging, for example, as future leadership potential.
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December 4, 2016 8:29am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  “An impressive win to Michael Wood in Mt Roskill.’
  
  Well not really. With no Green candidate he got about the same percentage of the vote as Goff and the Green guy combined in 2014.
  And the ridiculously low turnout suggests the Nats stayed at home, knowing it was a foregone conclusion.
  If Angry gets excited about this being a ‘landslide’ he’s in for a rude awakening next year.
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:37am
  - fernglas
    
    The low turnout could equally have been Labour voters who also knew it was a foregone conclusion. Wood didn’t do too badly, given that he was in a seat which had a well known incumbent. However, I agree that it would be foolish to read anything into this as a portent for next year.
    
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    December 4, 2016 8:53am
    - Happychappy
      
      I wonder how many of the 66% that did not vote in the Mt Roskil by election had Asian sounding names.
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:16am
  - cmm
    
    The major reason for the low turnout in a by election is people know that under MMP it does not change the number of seats in parliament.
    
    If Parmar got in they would have to send a list MP home. If that list MP has work in progress then that is just disruptive.
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:34am
    - Gabby
      
      Who got sent home when Winston was elected?
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:23am
    - mikenmild
      
      MMP doesn’t work that way.
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:30am
      - cmm
        
        How does it work then?
        
        http://www.elections.org.nz/voting-system/mmp-voting-system
        
        “It is a proportional system, which means that the proportion of votes a party gets will largely reflect the number of seats it has in parliament.”
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:38am
    - srylands
      
      “If Parmar got in they would have to send a list MP home”
      
      That is not correct. If Parmar had won the by election she would have had the option of resigning as a list MP, an option she no doubt would have taken up. In that case the next person on the National list comes in.
      
      So nobody gets sent home.
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:36am
      - mikenmild
        
        MMP contains no provision to keep strict proportionality following by-elections.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:47am
- Happychappy
  
  If i was Andrew or Michael i would not crow to much 66% of the Electorate never cast a vote that won’t be the case in the next General Election.
  
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  December 4, 2016 12:05pm
flipper

I have been re-reading my complete, hard-cover collection of Tom Clancy books.

The issues and “solutions” outlined by Clancy up to 10-15 years ago are now coming to pass with Donald J T sort of “proving”, or acting out, Clancy’s predictions.

If Trump aimed to put a burr under Peking’s (stuff the new name) saddle so much the better. If it is recognition that he has heard John Bolton’s assertion that the State Dept. bureaucracy needs a clean out from top to bottom since they (Foggy Bottom) do little more than “pursue their own policies and ignore administration wishes”, so much the better.

There is in my view little doubt that Trump took or made the call (he would have received internal but not SD advice on that so would not have been a spur of the moment thing) that has upset the CC leaders is a preliminary skirmish to the South China Sea and currency devaluation issues that Trump has been raising. The panty waists in Wellington and elsewhere will be most upset. Oh dear….

The link below covers some of these matters in detail (and with more authority) and throws light on two important issues:
1 Trump referred to the election “The President” (of Taiwan), and
2 Trump called the island “nation” (as opposed to province) “Taiwan”.

It is worthy of a read and suggests that we are in for changes in more ways than one.

http://nationalinterest.org/feature/why-donald-trumps-taiwan-call-changes-everything-18605?page=show

PS

Re The Carrier deal. Just remember that it was preceeded by Ford “changing its mind” over Lincoln. And …. by the way. Did you not notice that United Technologies owns Pratt and Whitney as well as Carrier and others??? The message to US conglomerates is loud and clear.
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December 4, 2016 8:31am
- mikenmild
  
  Love it. Just waiting for the Folio Society edition of Tom Clancy, complete with slip-cases, so that you can reinforce your image as an intellectual?
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:35am
  - thedavincimode
    
    Flicking through the Enid Blytons at the moment milky. Nothing so far.
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:17am
    - mikenmild
      
      Famous Five or Secret Seven? Anything in there about how to deal with China?
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:31am
      - thedavincimode
        
        Both of course. But the only China I’ve encountered involves afternoon teas with lashings of cakes, scones, cream and jam.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:35am
      - mikenmild
        
        There might be the odd Chinese character though. Sallow, devious, Oriental, maybe?
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:48am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      Have you checked the new Famous Fives?
      
      Five on Brexit Island
      Five go Gluten Free
      Five go on a Strategy Away Day
      
      http://nerdalicious.com.au/books/enid-blyton-for-grown-ups-five-on-brexit-island-and-more/
      
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      December 4, 2016 11:27am
      - thedavincimode
        
        lol Maggy: “Five Do Dry January”; a tale of stress and conflict no doubt.
        
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        December 4, 2016 11:58am
      - Fletch
        
        Saw some of those in my local bookseller here in NZ. Whitcoulls has them, I believe.
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  flipper, I wonder if Trump will appoint Clancy writer laureate ?
  Could you btreakndown the costs for each of those 1,000 workers in terms of. subsidies ?
  Do you think Trumo wants to turn the clock back to the good old days of Chiang Kai shek otherwise fondly remembered as cash me cheque ?
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:55am
  - fernglas
    
    The subsidies for the workers who kept their jobs aren’t that bad; about 800 jobs at $700k per year (the $7mill figure is over 10 years). What is more important is the jobs that are going. Trump said in his election campaigning that all the jobs would stay. The 1300 or so who are losing their jobs to Mexico might wonder what he is bragging about.
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:01am
  - Nookin
    
    Tom Clancy is dead. Do keep up with the play.
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:30am
    - kowtow
      
      Salman Rushdie would be a good choice. He’s still alive despite our friends from the religion of peace.
      
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      December 4, 2016 11:40am
- Disaster Area
  
  I vaguely recall a story about the Pentagon inviting lots of authors and screenplay writers to describe doomsday scenarios, in order to plan the military response.
  I hope that all of the writers included the part about the bad guys being incredibly bad shots and the heroes being invincible.
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:52am
- cha
  
  The message to US conglomerates is loud and clear.
  
  Yup, all you need do to gain an extra special tax deal is threaten to fuck off abroad with your production.
  
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  December 4, 2016 1:21pm
Chuck Bird

How much compensation should this man get? I bet his ex girlfriend is not charged.

Man wins $20,000 after girlfriend claimed he made her get breast implants and that he raped her

“The evidence of the post-operative checkup does to an extent establish the innocence of the defendant at least as far as the kidnapping charge is concerned.”
Judge David Shar

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11759364
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December 4, 2016 8:53am
- Gabby
  
  He should get free 38Ds.
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:06am
Inandout

The gutless faction of the gays is planning to have a demo out side Destiny Church in Sth Auckland. No mention of then moving on to the mega mosque in Mt Roskill.
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December 4, 2016 9:17am
- sam green
  
  If they (the gays) are not going – and I imagine they’re quite busy with the Destiny church – why don’t you go down to the mosque? They can’t do everything for ya. There’s not that many of them. What did the people at the Mosque say again?
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:24am
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    No, that group are complete hypocrites unless they can organise simultaneous protests against every bigot in the country.
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:28am
  - Inandout
    
    The bearded head sherang preacher said gays should be strung up, or words to that effect. And the Mulsheep agreed.
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:30am
    - sam green
      
      Was this the Mt Roskill “head sherang”?
      
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      December 4, 2016 9:32am
  - Gabby
    
    They must have said something mean about gays, cos he’s quite upset.
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:08am
- kowtow
  
  “FURIOUS Dutch MPs have demanded an immediate public inquiry after a government-backed watchdog said it was acceptable for Muslims to send gay people death threats.”
  
  http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/739275/Dutch-watchdog-OK-send-gay-people-death-threats-Muslim
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:25am
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    So kowtow – this is the reason the people protesting at Destiny are gutless? Then that makes you gutless too, doesn’t it? You obviously see a problem, and you’re not doing anything about it.
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:30am
  - Gabby
    
    Inanout’s furious the gays aren’t demonstrating outside Dutchland.
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:09am
    - Inandout
      
      You are a strange Alt-Left character.
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:43am
Happychappy

I wonder whether DPF would be able to make a chart with all Andrew Little and Labours promises in spending after last nights announcement that he will reopen the twentythree community Police Stations that have been closed.
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December 4, 2016 9:29am
- Inandout
  
  Labour have spent a lot on this election, leaving the coffers a bit empty for next year.
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:32am
  - sam green
    
    Are you their treasurer?
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:34am
    - starboard
      
      Are you a dickhead sometimes, or all of the time..Ive yet to decide.
      
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      December 4, 2016 1:27pm
      - sam green
        
        I know – decisions are difficult.
        
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        December 4, 2016 2:16pm
      - Gabby
        
        You decided to be a choccy starfish, all the time.
        
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        December 4, 2016 7:29pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Given the recent multi-culturalisation of Mt. Roskill, will 23 re-opened police stations be enough?
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:34am
  - sam green
    
    Maybe not – how big is your protest on behalf of the gays going to be?
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:40am
    - Inandout
      
      Your Islamic side is showing stronger as your posts get weirder. Cut down on the 5 a day chants.
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:45am
      - sam green
        
        I thought we were talking about supporting the gays.
        
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        December 4, 2016 11:38am
- jonar
  
  I’d like DPF make a comment on this behaviour of John Key if he’s going to start talking about policy costs.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11758244
  
  Treasury’s record as a forecaster is among the best in the world and the act was a pioneer in being designed to stop politicians cooking or hiding the true state of the Government’s books before elections – as happened several times in the 1980s.
  
  But Key’s reliance on those forecasts for some big talking certainly jarred just two days after he rubbished the Treasury’s forecasts in its Long Term Fiscal Outlook delivered last week. Under the same Public Finance Act, the Treasury has to forecast at least once every four years what the Government’s books will look like by 2060 if it continues on with its current settings.
  
  Treasury pointed out for the third time in the current National Government that an ageing population allied to the current settings for New Zealand Superannuation would blow out the Crown’s net debt to over 200 per cent of GDP by 2060 from 25 per cent now.
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  “I’m telling you it’s a load of nonsense, because they can’t get predictions in 44 days right, let alone in 44 years.”
  
  It is extraordinary for the Prime Minister to call the Treasury’s short and long term forecasts a “load of nonsense” and yet rely on the medium term ones to promise all manner of riches to voters on the eve of an election.
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:59am
  - mikenmild
    
    This is the guy who says he can always find another expert to tell him what he wants to hear….
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:17am
  - kowtow
    
    “the Treasury has to forecast at least once every four years what the Government’s books will look like by 2060 if it continues on with its current settings.”
    
    In 2060 the books will be in Chinese.
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:04am
  - Kimbo
    
    2060? Forty four years from now?! Sure they have to forecast, but who in 1972 could predict what New Zealand would look like now? Over the next 10 years we started losing numbers to migration, our manufacturers became increasingly noncompetitive and unemployment, hitherto unknown since the Depression, started to increase dramatically, exacerbated by two oil shocks! Did I mention Roger Douglas re-configured the ship in 1984?!
    
    Key would be bloody incompetent if he placed much store on any forecast, even from a proven economic Nostradamus over that time frame. The big issue with National Super is the same one that was there when it was campaigned and voted for in 1975 – the demographic bubble that is the baby boomers. And the answer to paying for their retirement is the same as that which Muldoon gave – continued economic growth and performance.
    
    Kiwisaver, for all its supposed benefits has not lifted the total amount set aside for private retirement at all. That is the myth that the links of fund managers like Brian Gaynor peddle that if we had just continued throwing money into Labour’s dog of a compulsory contribution scheme back in the mid-1970s we would somehow be the Monaco of the South Pacific now.
    
    Neither is anyone with any brains in any doubt – the age of National Super entitlement will be lifted at some time in the future, just as it was from 60 to 65 back in the mid-1980s. The level of National Super entitlement may also be reduced. So start planning and don’t rely totally on the government – which should be the case in any circumstances.
    
    And there is nothing John Key can do to change those things. Indeed, he would be foolish to try as it will
    
    1. affect our economic growth now, and
    
    2. inhibit the ability of his successors to respond flexibly to unfolding circumstances.
    
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    December 4, 2016 12:19pm
    - mikenmild
      
      As I recall, the requirement for a long-term fiscal forecast was introduced by Ruth Richardson’s Fiscal Responsibility Act.
      If this is no longer required, the government should repeal the relevant sections. There is not much point paying for such expensive reports if the PM is just going to dismiss them, although that does seem to be his customary approach to inconvenient expertise.
      I find it interesting, though, that you can so readily dismiss a 40-year fiscal projection while confidently predicting yourself that National Superannuation is not sustainable. Presumably you didn’t need any fancy pants projections to tell you that – you just ‘knew’?
      
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      December 4, 2016 12:33pm
      - Kimbo
        
        If this is no longer required, the government should repeal the relevant sections. There is not much point paying for such expensive reports if the PM is just going to dismiss them, although that does seem to be his customary approach to inconvenient expertise.
        
        Had a feeling you might try that angle. No one is saying that a government should ignore the future, nor that they should not receive projections and reports. Of course they should.
        
        But there is a difference between receiving projections, and being slavishly bound to them…especially if they are nearly half a century into the future. Sure, next year, two years, five years, even (as occurred straight after the GFC), ten years…and isn’t in interesting that this government got us into surplus a year ahead of that 2008 projection. Those give more certainty on which to…act.
        
        But Key is right – we have time to respond flexibly to the issue of the baby boomers’ on-gong retirement needs, and, despite the left-wing proclivity, bordering on Tourette’s Syndrome to “do something about it now!!”, the best thing we can do at the moment is let governments in the 2020s and 2030 respond. That was always how it was envisaged when National Super was introduced in 1976.
        
        And you find it interesting I’m predicting (provisionally) that National Super will change? Well, mikey, I’m part of that younger generation that is, nonetheless old enough to remember the ripping of garments and sack cloth and ashes mourning from the then-elderly when successive Labour and National governments reneged on campaign promises concerning the National Super surcharge. The lesson – governments can and do change the rules to suit. Look already at all the changes that have been made to Kiwisaver.
        
        But put it this way, mikey: whom, if anyone, would you place your trust in to predict with a reasonable degree of accuracy what this country will look like in 44 years? Leave aside Treasury for the moment. Who?
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:46pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I think the main thing from this is the increasing tendency from the government to ignore advice that it seeks from its own experts.
        Why did we have a 2020 Taskforce, when the PM was just going to say that catching up with Australia was just ‘aspirational’?
        Why ask Treasury (or any other experts) for reports, when Key and Brownlee simply wave them aside or claim that they could always pay other experts to tell them something different?
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:52pm
      - Kimbo
        
        And why? Because they are “clever and educated”. Sure, I’ll take them over a clairvoyant hotline, but no amount of education can predict. Some big macro forces – such as the baby boomer demographic and the movement of blue collar manufacturing jobs to an increasingly better-off third world. Yeah, sure, despite Donald Trump, is very likely. Global Warming – be it anthropogenic or not? Good luck on nailing that one for sure, including on a localised basis.
        
        But anything else?
        
        All “experts” can do is, or usually do is take existing trends and project them out. But that overlooks the primary driver in politics. As per Harold Macmillan, “events, my dear fellow, events.
        
        Oil Shocks
        Stagflation
        Neo-liberal economic policies
        The collapse of the Berlin wall and communism
        Capitalism reappearing in China
        9/11
        A black US president
        
        Who the bloody hell in 1972 could predict with any degree of certitude those things were coming?!
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:56pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I think the main thing from this is the increasing tendency from the government to ignore advice that it seeks from its own experts.
        Why did we have a 2020 Taskforce, when the PM was just going to say that catching up with Australia was just ‘aspirational’?
        Why ask Treasury (or any other experts) for reports, when Key and Brownlee simply wave them aside or claim that they could always pay other experts to tell them something different?
        
        “Simply wave”? Kimbo’s law, mikey, Kimbo’s law. Ho hum – other than to provide “talking points” for the opposition and its schills?
        
        Try this mikey, and the answer is already in your question: Advisers advise…and governments govern. But if you would like Don Brash, a man whose policies were rejected by the electorate in one form or other in both 2005 and 2011 to be given the power of deciding policy, well, then, fuck democracy.
        
        Oh, yeah, and despite Brash’s Casandra-prophecy unless we adopted his prescription, we have made up ground on Australia…which has resulted in more Kiwis returning to NZ…which has lead to the so-called “Housing Crisis”. See how that works? Events…
        
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        December 4, 2016 1:03pm
    - Happychappy
      
      Kimbo /Seeing the report button stops me commenting on the end of your last three or four comments i have come back to the first.I just wanted to know if you thought MM’s brain was large enough to digest what you have just explained.
      
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      December 4, 2016 3:02pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Yes, because he has enough capacity to avoid answering the matter that falsifies his premise: who, if anyone, can predict what will be in…44 years? Hence his ability to stay on the Labour Party talking-point at 12:52pm:
        
        I think the main thing from this is the increasing tendency from the government to ignore advice that it seeks from its own experts.
        
        No mikey. The “main thing” is that Treasury “experts” may be “experts” in many things…but not when it comes to life in 2060.
        
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        December 4, 2016 3:53pm
flipper

fernglass ….

Yep…. but ….
The number is 1100 plus jobs (meaning 1100 families that will now have a better Christmas) staying in Indianapolis (nice city, central European like in many respects, but with terrible humidity in summer), plus UT is spending $16 million upgrading its Carrier plant.

The cost to the Federal govt? Nil.
In fact savings in food stamps and unemployment bennies (such as are available) to 1100+ FAMILIES.

Cost to Indiana $7million over 10 years (for a deal rejected by Carrier when Pence offered it to them in March) all undoubtedly recovered and more in other ways (sales tax for example on all local purchases).

But ARSEHOLES like stupidboy and ctumilksop always “find fault” where none exists, and never venture to contribute an original thort. Just a pair of douche bags.
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December 4, 2016 9:47am
- mikenmild
  
  You obviously think taxpayer subsidies to keep jobs in the USA are a good thing. How many more firms do you think will stick their hands out?
  What would Tom Clancy do?
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:51am
  - Disaster Area
    
    Write a book that introduces lots of needless characters who do nothing to advance the plot line but make the story about 1/3 longer than necessary.
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:54am
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      His first book (the best one) was apparently short enough for Ronald Reagan to read. So that’s something.
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:33am
  - Ross12
    
    Remind us what happened with the motor industry under Obama —how many hundreds of millions were pumped into it ?
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:59am
    - mikenmild
      
      Was that a good thing?
      
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      December 4, 2016 12:03pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Ross12, that GWB began .These kind of things also involve political calculations e.g is it acceptable to do nothing and see unemployment rise to say 20 % or whatever !
      
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      December 4, 2016 1:12pm
- sam green
  
  “Thort”? Now there’s a thought.
  
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  December 4, 2016 9:55am
- fernglas
  
  The 1100 jobs is another Trumpism, I am afraid. It includes 300 jobs that were never going to leave the US. The real figure is 800, which is good news; my point is that it is not quite as good as was promised.
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:25am
waikatogirl

In response to Bishop Tamaki’s attack on gay people and them causing the EQ, Paul Foster-Bell, National has announced he is gay.

He says he is not so much coming out of the closet as showing leadership and support for gay people in the face blatant homophobia.
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December 4, 2016 9:55am
- Happychappy
  
  So is this what was going to be the outing of a MP by a so called Journalist mentioned during the last week.
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:04am
- Inandout
  
  What is it about Wellington Central?
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:51am
- kowtow
  
  Nah , pretending to be principled , when he’s simply pre empting his ex the journalist , over some sort of lovers’ tiff ,does not strike me as a principled stand.
  
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  December 4, 2016 11:10am
- sam green
  
  Apparently he’s leading the protest at the Destiny church this morning.
  
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  December 4, 2016 11:44am
- waikatogirl
  
  Andrea Vance tried to make it odd that National had any gay MP’s, while it is more than perfectly acceptable for Liabore to be full of them.
  
  She was definitely digging furiously to try and find some detail he had withheld. She asked “if his colleagues were aware he is gay, and did he get permission before being interviewed on his personal preference”.
  
  The comment afterwards was “It’s 2016, surely nobody calls Grant Robertson, Gay MP, so it’s okay National have Paul F-B, MP.”
  
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  December 4, 2016 12:34pm
  - sam green
    
    Vance is a bit silly – National’s had heaps of gay MPs.
    
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    December 4, 2016 1:02pm
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      How about gay churnilst and telepromt readers.
      
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      December 4, 2016 5:15pm
- Jack5
  
  An interesting point for MMP, which is supposed to give more representative democracy.
  
  I wonder how the proportion of gay MPs to heterosexual MPs compares with the proportion of gays to heterosexuals in the overall population of the country.
  
  Similarly on left-handed MPs to right-handed MPs, short MPs to average-height MPs, the proportion of short-sighted MPs to those with 20-20 vision.
  
  What you can say about MMP is that it puts into Parliament many folk who wouldn’t win an electorate seat.
  
  Incidentally, in his maiden speech to Parliament, Paul Foster-Bell thanks our host, DPF, for his guidance.
  
  This, from Foster-Bell’s speech, gets him my stamp of approval:
  
  I have come to this House as a proponent of the constitutional monarchy, which has served us so well for over 170 years. I will fiercely resist any measures that seek to weaken this essential pillar of our robust democracy.
  
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  December 4, 2016 4:16pm
flipper

mikenmild
You obviously think taxpayer subsidies to keep jobs in the USA are a good thing. ………..
++++

Now, about all those Tiwai smelter jobs douche bag……..
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December 4, 2016 10:03am
- mikenmild
  
  Another very bad deal. But your point was?
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:19am
- thedavincimode
  
  Put the boot in flipper. You’ve got him on the run.
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:33am
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    Don’t be mean to flipper. He knew Muldoon and is a Very Serious Person.
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Very_Serious_Person
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:34am
Morrissey

Great Moments in Broadcasting. NOT.
No. 3: Kevin Roberts’ performance on TV3 chat show The Panel, late 2001.

Anyone with a taste for the absurd, the creepy and the pretentious should check out the “inspirational” website of Saatchi advertising supremo “Doctor” Kevin Roberts. The man who has, to this writer’s knowledge, never uttered a sentence that is not complete and unmitigated bullshit, offers up, for our edification, the complete list of his public speeches and his exciting, radical and deep personal philosophy, which can be summed up thusly: New Zealand is “on the edge”, and we’re all CRA-A-A-A-A-A-AZY, ma-a-a-a-a-aan, and that’s COOL. That, and something even dopier, about “love brands”.

In 1999, Roberts attracted almost universal condemnation and ridicule by somehow persuading Air New Zealand to have one of its jumbo jets painted with a huge, grotesque, distorted mural of the All Black front row. This mortified, shamed and humiliated the players, angered the All Black coach John Hart, and disgusted the fans. However, Roberts, having clout because of his inordinate influence and power on the NZRFU board, forced it through, and the jet was daubed with the atrocity.

Two years after that, on September 11, 2001, Roberts watched the WTC collapse from the Saatchi offices, in a nearby building. Undaunted by any notions of common sense or legality, he then wrote an open letter to the New York Times urging the governor George Pataki to suspend the law and extend the reign of the criminal, Mafia-connected mayor Rudolf Giuliani. Of course, Governor Pataki ignored the inane petition.

Shortly after that embarrassment, Roberts was back in New Zealand, appearing as a guest on the dismal TV3 chat show, The Panel. Even his half-drunken fellow-panelists were visibly shocked by Roberts’ performance that night: putting aside such troublesome notions as restraint, sensitivity or decency, Roberts said this:

“You know what New Zealand should have done after September 11? We should have sent a planeload of soldiers in an Air New Zealand jumbo jet, all dressed in black bomber jackets with a silver fern on them, and taken them to Ground Zero, because we’re good at urban disasters. And they would have danced a haka on the site and then started digging. The WORLD’S MEDIA would have filmed this, and the publicity would have been absolutely PRICELESS.”

At this point, there was utter silence on the set. The usual guffawing and chuckling had stopped. You could truly have heard a pin drop. Every panelist, including the inebriated Pam Corkery, was struck dumb. Eventually one female panelist spoke up: “Isn’t that…. isn’t that a bit…..cynical?”

The normally smiling Roberts mien clouded over wrathfully: “No, it’s not cynical,” he snarled, clearly angry that anyone had had the temerity to question his brilliance. “It would have been a massive gesture of LOVE.”

Read more, if you can bear Kevin Roberts a second longer…
https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-06092013/#comment-692268

Great Moments in Broadcasting. NOT is an occasional series highlighting some of the worst moments in our pretty shameful history of broadcasting mediocrity and downright failure.

N.B. Loath as I am to advertise anything on TV1, keen Roberts-watchers will be eagerly awaiting tonight’s edition of Sunday at 7 p.m. It is billed thusly: “Advertising guru Kevin Roberts on the scandal that brought him down. Dying prisoner Vicky Letele on how she was really treated in prison.” So that’s two fraudsters in half an hour—good value, kind of.
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- thedavincimode
  
  Got anything from 1913 lined up for a future edition morrie?
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:40am
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    No, but I’ve got some stuff from the 1980s. Keep your eyes peeled, my friend!
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:49am
    - stigie
      
      Ever thought about looking to the future Morrie ole chap..?
      
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      December 4, 2016 11:37am
      - Morrissey
        
        Actually, stigie, I looked to the future three years ago, when I predicted the presidency of Donald Trump….
        
        https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-31122013/#comment-751510
        
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        December 4, 2016 11:59am
      - stigie
        
        You’re very lucky Morrie, just imagine a righty saying that on the Stranded, they would have been literally pilloried and a possible banning !~
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:17pm
      - Morrissey
        
        You’re very lucky Morrie, just imagine a righty saying that on the Stranded, they would have been literally pilloried and a possible banning !~
        
        I was banned, for a week, after I braggingly reposted it just before the election.
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:33pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Morrissey:
        
        I was banned, for a week, after I braggingly reposted it just before the election.
        
        Do you have a link (or can you give me some details – an approximate date and whether it was the Open Mic thread)?
        
        I’m curious to see who banned you, and if it was Lprent, whether he maintained his usual practice of referring to penises when he bans people.
        
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        December 4, 2016 3:10pm
      - Morrissey
        
        Do you have a link (or can you give me some details – an approximate date and whether it was the Open Mic thread)?
        
        It was Open Mike on Thursday 10 November 2016. They had a policy of NO U.S. ELECTION POSTS on Open Mike. Even though my post was to highlight my own brilliant prescience, and really had nothing to say about the election, it was zero tolerance and I was gone for a week.
        
        I’m curious to see who banned you, and if it was Lprent, whether he maintained his usual practice of referring to penises when he bans people.
        
        It was Weka. She banned someone else as well. I’ve been banned about half a dozen times since my debut in 2011—twice by L. Prent, three times by Te Reo Putake and once by a hideous creature called the Queen of Thorns.
        
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        December 4, 2016 9:11pm
B.L.Zeebub

Tamaki has gone full retard again this morn,Harry Potter is apparently a ticket to the highway to hell,of course, the simpleton rubes will throw their money at him thankful for the heads up.
If only he had filed his tax returns on time ,the IRD would not be looking at him.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11759326

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/books/news/article.cfm?c_id=134&objectid=11758625
The mind boggles at how fucking thick you`d have to be to take this clown seriously.
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December 4, 2016 10:13am
- Reid
  
  Harry Potter is apparently a ticket to the highway to hell,
  
  If he is saying that, he’s right. Of course to be able accurately to assess that question on Harry Potter you have to be well versed in the esoteric, and there aren’t many of us around.
  
  Unless you are one of us however, your opinion on this question ain’t worth shit, because all you’re doing is braying it isn’t true because you don’t understand how it possibly could be. But your grounds for reaching that conclusion are non-existent, aren’t they.
  
  By all means go educate yourself and then assess it, but it does take some time before you can form an accurate picture and sort the dross from the gold.
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:53am
  - mikenmild
    
    Got a list of other books and movies we should avoid due to their satanic influences? Obviously we haven’t all got the time and expertise you have invested in this, so your assistance would be greatly appreciated.
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:03am
    - itstricky
      
      Obviously, we’d have to start with Beowulf (because of the monster) and move swiftly on to A Mmidsummer Night’s Dream (because of the fairies) but anyone’s guess where you go after that?
      
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      December 4, 2016 11:51am
      - mikenmild
        
        When you put it that way, all literature is probably satanic. Except maybe the Bible (King James version only, of course).
        
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        December 4, 2016 11:55am
    - Kimbo
      
      Tom Clancy? 😉
      
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      December 4, 2016 12:26pm
    - EAD
      
      Got a list of other books and movies we should avoid due to their satanic influences?
      
      Milkmaid, I’d start with Saving Private Ryan – pure evil that movie:
      
      http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.com/2016/11/killing-private-kraut-hollywoods-good.html?m=0
      
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      December 4, 2016 12:46pm
      - mikenmild
        
        My favourite bit was the American war crimes against the wounded Germans.
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:54pm
      - tom hunter
        
        “Don’t shoot. Let ’em burn”
        
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        December 4, 2016 3:22pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I actually saw that film clip used as an illustration for a lecture on the law of armed conflict.
        
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        December 4, 2016 3:48pm
  - Gabby
    
    Well if anyone knows about highways to hell the cankered tongue of Old Nick does.
    
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    December 4, 2016 12:30pm
- Inandout
  
  Nothing new here.
  
  https://www.missionislam.com/family/harrywho.htm
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:59am
  - itstricky
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:56am
waikatogirl

HappyChappy, Andrea Vance was the interviewer Paul Foster-Bell announced this to.

Vance couldn’t resist questioning him whether he had been forced to announce it due to homophobia within the National party, and other inuendo such as he was announcing being gay after having his seat challenged.
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December 4, 2016 10:13am
- Inandout
  
  Grant Robby is also a member for Wellington Central. Funny that.
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:53am
  - stigie
    
    Why does Wellington seem to be full of fairys..?
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:45am
    - sam green
      
      Because it’s also full of butch blokes who love a good fairy.
      
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      December 4, 2016 11:52am
      - stigie
        
        Must be great to know all this stuff Sammie ole chap..?
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:06pm
      - sam green
        
        I keep abreast of the times stigie.
        
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        December 4, 2016 12:33pm
    - RalphT
      
      I would like to point out that Wellington Central also includes genteel areas such as Karori, where some of us are neither fairies nor butch.
      
      Incidentally I have met PFB a couple of times and this announcement has to be the non-event of the year. His orientation was obvious and his coming out is simply stating what everyone would have known. Anyway, who cares? Apart of course from Brian Tamaki, but then who cares about him?
      
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      December 4, 2016 12:21pm
      - waikatogirl
        
        RalphT
        It is obvious about PFB; what got me was how hard Andrea Vance was working to make something out of a nothing story. As you say, who cares.
        
        However, this is the National party, the happy hunting ground of Vance. Full of homophobic, ignorant hetrosexual rich pricks who don’t care about the less well off and not a sensitive bone amongst them.
        
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        December 4, 2016 1:53pm
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Waikatogirl, that’ll be her News of the World training kicking in. She must be right miffed at not having access to any phone hacking
        
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        December 4, 2016 2:38pm
BeeSting

Must be time for some more Cossack Music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrEPadG0pQk
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December 4, 2016 10:19am
- mikenmild
  
  Must be time for some more medication…
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:37am
Reid

Couple of good articles on what Trump may really be about. The first looks at Flynn (Trump’s NSA appointee) and what he might do and why. The second looks at the likelihood of the scenario advanced by the first playing out.

http://journal-neo.org/2016/11/25/the-dangerous-deception-called-the-trump-presidency/

http://thesaker.is/is-donald-trump-really-only-a-showman-who-will-prepare-the-usa-for-war/
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December 4, 2016 10:46am
- Inandout
  
  From journal-neo:
  
  ‘Five years later a New Zealand airliner crashed into one of the Antarctic mountains, or so we were told. As a result, all civilian over flights of the South Pole were also banned’.
  
  ‘Or so we are told’?
  
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  December 4, 2016 11:47am
  - Reid
    
    As I often point out, if someone educates themselves based on their choice of publisher, they’re likely not to understand very much at all. And this is proven time and again by many here who follow this practice and who demonstrate by their subsequent observations they understand nothing about the world.
    
    Just to demonstrate how fallacious this practice is, imagine if you truly regarded WaPo and the NYT as credible news sources. Imagine if you were dumb enough to think that. Yet many here evidently from their comments, do, thus proving they’re amongst the very biggest dumbfucks in the whole wide world.
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:51am
  - mikenmild
    
    Fascinating. I hadn’t heard any conspiracy theories about the Erebus disaster. I suppose there must be some.
    
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    December 4, 2016 11:56am
    - thedavincimode
      
      It was a practice run for 9/11 before the CIA decided to just blow up the WTC .
      
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      December 4, 2016 12:02pm
    - Kimbo
      
      (((Iceberg))), you know, same as Goldberg and Rosenberg.
      
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      December 4, 2016 12:28pm
    - itstricky
      
      (((Harry Potter))) and his satanical magical cohorts bought it down.
      
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      December 4, 2016 1:07pm
    - Jack5
      
      It was those bloody Penguins of Madagascar.
      
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      December 4, 2016 4:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , could be interesting with Mad Dog if either Putin or Trump try to pull swifties on each other.
  Please do Keep us updated from your latest scared canon ,the Saker !
  
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  December 4, 2016 1:17pm
  - Reid
    
    Fuck you’re dumb.
    
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    December 4, 2016 1:34pm
- cha
  
  The first looks at Flynn (Trump’s NSA appointee) and what he might do and why.
  
  Appeals for intel via twitter, hilarity ensues.
  /
  
  Now following. Please send me anything you get on China activities. Thank you.— General Flynn (@GenFlynn) June 29, 2016
  
  https://twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/748113848947908608
  
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  December 4, 2016 1:37pm
Jack5

Don’t fool around with swastika signs when Russians are around.

Russian diplomat beats shit out of rapper in Mongolia because the rapper was in a swastika outfit.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3997090/Russian-diplomat-beat-Mongolian-rapper-coma-wore-swastika-outfit-stage.html
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December 4, 2016 11:02am
- kowtow
  
  They still have lots of hammers and sickles though. Commies killed far more citizens of the Soviet Union than Nazis ever did.
  
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  December 4, 2016 11:45am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    But Capitalist pigs don’t count.
    
    #CommieLivesMatter
    
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    December 4, 2016 12:03pm
  - stephieboy
    
    kowtow, how many million Russian casualties both civilian and military from Hitlers Operation Barbarossa ?
    
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    December 4, 2016 1:23pm
- Inandout
  
  I would have thought that further brain damage would be a plus for a rapper. Rappers do play mindless and robotic sounds.
  
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  December 4, 2016 5:52pm
Manolo

The Left despairs:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/02/world/trump-calls-to-world-leaders.html?_r=0
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December 4, 2016 11:07am
Jack5

I have reservations about Tamaki’s Destiny Church, but this pointer on the Hooerald site seems unfair to me.

It reads: “Stan Walker opens up about child abuse at Destiny Church.”

The report is about a man speaking at Destiny Church about abuse that was inflicted on him as a child, but he is speaking to church members and not about the church.

The Hooerald has been critical of the Destiny Church for years, which raises the question in my mind, is this web site headline an accident, or not?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11755855
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December 4, 2016 11:27am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  The term for it is Fake News, Progressives are experts at manufacturing it.
  
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  December 4, 2016 12:01pm
- Kimbo
  
  In the early 1980s, fed up by the continued negative coverage of the press, then-NZ Prime Minister Rob Muldoon summoned the parliamentary press gallery to assemble on the Wellington Waterfront. He then declared, “I will now prove to you I have miraculous powers”. He then proceeded to walk up and down on the water of Wellington Harbour in front of their gaze for a full hour.
  
  The next day the Dominion the most caustic of Muldoon’s critics blared out the entirely accurate headline in bold “war-declared” sized font:
  
  PRIME MINISTER CAN’T SWIM!!
  
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  December 4, 2016 12:35pm
  - Morrissey
    
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-j8gwIC6HL_4/VXxAM59KG6I/AAAAAAAAAHo/csYlJlSBApY/s640/8.jpg
    
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    December 4, 2016 12:41pm
Manolo

Hillary’s delicate spin doctor gets a beating from a tough lady:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/02/kellyanne-pistol-whips-robby-mook-biggest-piece-of-fake-news-in-this-election-was-that-trump-couldnt-win-video/

Kellyanne Conway absolutely obliterated Robby Mook’s claim that “fake news” was responsible for delivering Donald Trump the presidency Thursday evening.
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December 4, 2016 11:31am
Manolo

A deligthful article on MSM craziness about President-elect Trump, from the liberal Washington Post in this case.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/03/the-washington-post-is-still-melting-down-over-trump-winning-the-election/
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December 4, 2016 11:36am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  (((((Washington Post)))))
  
  The Progressive faggotry will never stop, the (((Globohomos))) will only double down on it now they have lost control of the narrative
  
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  December 4, 2016 11:59am
Happychappy

What are the similarity’s between Labour and the Wallaby’s
They both prey on their Unions money without achieving the right results
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December 4, 2016 12:19pm
Fletch

France vs free speech. They pass a bill that criminalizes pro-life websites.

The socialist government of France passed a bill after one day’s debate that criminalizes websites that might dissuade women from abortion.

The “digital interference” bill is aimed at cracking down on French websites that would, in the words of the bill, “deliberately mislead, intimidate and/or exert psychological or moral pressure to discourage recourse to abortion.”

Convicted website owners could face two years in prison and fines up to 30,000 euros ($31,799 USD).

The majority left voted in a block for the bill while the minority right formed a block against it.

Bruno Retailleau, who heads the Republicans party group in the Senate, told French radio Thursday that the bill “is totally against freedom of expression,” adding that it contradicts the 1975 law that legalized abortion and which called for women to be informed of alternatives.

Christian Democratic Party member Jean-Frederic Poisson also blasted the bill on Twitter for what he saw as the government’s double standard in banning sites that propose “alternatives” to abortion but not “jihadist websites.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-socialist-french-gvmt-votes-to-criminalize-pro-life-websites
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December 4, 2016 12:27pm
- Reid
  
  It’s the foot in the door Fletch. The minute you criminalise one element of free speech the entire spectrum is then in range for more of the same. It’s always lefties pretending to front it, but it’s not a left-right thing, it’s across the board, as we see with both sides participating in perpetuating the criminalisation. If you recognise that their agenda becomes clear and by observing which elements they chose to attack next you can see which they’re most keen on, or fear.
  
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  December 4, 2016 12:33pm
Fletch

Wisconsin recount day 2:

Clinton gained 3 votes
Trump gained 6 votes
Net Trump gain of 3 votes on Day 2

http://heavy.com/news/2016/12/wisconsin-recount-totals-update-day-2-3-1-returns-two-latest-info-news-live-michigan/
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December 4, 2016 12:39pm
BeeSting

They still have lots of hammers and sickles though. Commies killed far more citizens of the Soviet Union than Nazis ever did.

Correct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda

Involvement in the Holodomor[edit]
Yagoda is held responsible for his service in the implementation of Stalin’s policies that caused the deaths of more than 7 million people (including 3 million Ukrainians) during the Holodomor.[17][18]

No one mourns or even remembers the loss of
christians and in particular white christians.

Millions here Millions there

Anyone heard an outcry for the millions
of white Ukrainian Refugees?

NZ taking any?

Couple of hundred thousand Christian in East Timor in our backyard? any one helping rebuild?

Islamic Genocide

No one bats an eyelid

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/2016/0318/For-many-US-Christians-ISIS-genocide-designation-is-a-big-deal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Christians_by_ISIL

If you have not noticed it is
Open Season on Christians
again in the media (always) in Syria
etc etc etc

Most of Human History is really just
about (various failed plans to) eradicate Christianity from the world
and enslave people

HAPPY VOMIT HOLIDAYS

East Timor on Steroids is coming to the
South Pacific sooner or later

Best Get Ready
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December 4, 2016 12:44pm
- Reid
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Christians_by_ISIL
  
  Yes indeed beesting And when you consider that ISIS exists only because Saudi Arabia and Qatar support it, and this is without doubt, since where pray else are they getting support from if not from those two?
  
  And when you consider the US has been making record arms sales to SA and hey presto US weapons have been turning up in ISIS hands since day one…
  
  And when you consider the only US reaction to the extremely and demonstrably successful Russian campaign against ISIS in Syria is to pretend Russia is one of the bad guys…
  
  And when you consider these genocidal maniacs are supported by the politicians in the very same country that wants their country to recognise these people as genocidal maniacs because it’s a Christian country, or it used to be, then the only possible conclusion you can draw to all of that is either the premises are wrong or that everything you’ve always known about the world is fake.
  
  And most people will never draw the latter conclusion.
  
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  December 4, 2016 1:24pm
kowtow

When this sad case occurred it was reported in The Local. However they have not followed up with the report of an arrest. Strange that as the arrested man is an Afghan migrant.

“A 17-year-old Afghan migrant who arrived in Germany as an unaccompanied minor in 2015 has been arrested for the rape and murder of a 19-year-old medical student.
Maria L. was found raped and murdered in Freiberg in mid-October. Following seven weeks of investigation, a 17-year-old migrant, who arrived during the migrant crisis, was arrested on Friday, reports Focus.”

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/12/03/afghan-migrant-rape-murder-german-woman/

The Local was also happy to quickly report , before any facts were obtained that a Syrian was thrown off public transport for wearing a burqa, not so , she was thrown off for not following ze rules.

http://www.thelocal.de/20161201/syrian-teen-kicked-off-berlin-tram-for-food-not-headscarf

“Post truth” world indeed. or as the German call them , the lying press.
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December 4, 2016 1:21pm
kowtow

And in more news from “multicultural” Europe , the diversity dividend just keeps on paying……..

……strange though how the Local doesn’t tell us the victims are Somalis.

“Swedish police have launched a massive manhunt after masked gunmen barged into a Stockholm café and shot two people to death late on Friday.”

http://www.thelocal.se/20161203/police-launch-manhunt-after-deadly-stockholm-shooting

Is it a post truth world or part truth . The part the media won’t report ?
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December 4, 2016 1:43pm
Reid

…If Seehofer can take over the chancellorship of Germany from the discredited Merkel, there will be a final battle against globalization and the EU in the halls of power in Berlin. This battle will pit Seehofer and his anti-migrant and anti-EU allies against the forces led by the «concentration camp guard» Schulz. That political struggle will determine not only the future of Europe but the entire world.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/02/battle-berlin-will-last-stand-globalism.html

The EU is doomed, it’s a failed project, their first ever failure since the 17oo’s. Regardless of that, Germany is a very important piece on the geostrategic board. There’s a good argument both world wars were fought to prevent her allying with Russia. That is the UK’s nightmare. And that could happen, if the EU disintegrates.
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December 4, 2016 1:51pm
Inandout

http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/12/03/madonna-bashes-trump-miami-show-ashamed-american/

Many commenters said they were ashamed she is an American too. lol
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December 4, 2016 1:54pm
- Fletch
  
  You probably have no right to start talking about being ashamed of stuff while wearing a Raggedy Anne outfit.
  
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  December 4, 2016 3:09pm
Reid

When an event occurs that that fundamentally changes the dynamics of global geopolitics, there is one question above all others whose answer will most assuredly point to its perpetrators. That question is “Cui bono?” If those so indicted are in addition found to have had both motive and means then, as they say in the US, it’s pretty much a “slam-dunk”.

Discounting the Official Narrative as the absurdity it so clearly is, there are just two organisations on the entire planet with the expertise, assets, access and political protection necessary to have both executed 9/11 and effected its cover-up to date (ie the means). Both are Intelligence Agencies – the CIA and the Israeli Mossad whose motives were arguably the most compelling. Those motives dovetailed perfectly with the Neocon PNAC agenda, with it’s explicitly stated need for “…a catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor” [1] in order to mobilise US public opinion for already planned wars, the effects of which would be to destroy Israel’s enemies.

This article marshals evidence for the proposition that “Israel did it”…

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/9-11/Israel_did_it
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December 4, 2016 1:55pm
BeeSting

ISIS exists only because Saudi Arabia and Qatar support it,

Not Exactly

I S I S gets a massive amount of support and funding
from Australia one other reason Australia
has not been hit as hard as france and America

is they are soft appeasers the ISIS supporters
of Australia are pretty happy with the arrangements as it stands

they get to steal Toyotas and send them to Syria
train people under the noses of Security

They get tax payer money – they are not entirely stupid they know they are onto a good thing

This contrasts 180 degrees with the OZ gvts treatment of NZer on SCV
Special Category Visa

which I call
“Slave Category Visa”
all sanctioned by “John The Key”

The white Slave Colony Australia
no longer needs political and religious prisoners
to imprison or act as
“Indentured Servants” or “WHITE SLAVEs”
when they have “John the Key” more than
happy to sell NZers to Aus as
SLAVES

Ko Rutene

a NZ decorated combat vet of Afghanistan
who was in a special unit for dealing with
“problems” and was “John the Keys”
personal body guard

Did Solitary confinement in OZ?

We still do not know what he is alleged to have done?

Ko Rutene and all the other kiwis
they treat like SH*T

But when it comes to growing some balls
and doing what really needs to be done
as far as the safety of the region and both
countries is concerned

they are very quiet and inactive

Was it “Overdue Library Books”
or something more serious?

While ISIS operates largely unchallenged in OZ

our Vet was arrested by 7 security personal with
tasers at the ready????

It does not bid well for the Future security
of either nation to be honest

http://www.news.com.au/national/decorated-nz-soldier-ko-rutene-is-being-detained-in-australia/news-story/a3fb3466efebe5db56ea4978afa3b9e6

It is high time NZ had a
“Quick Reaction Force”

ready to operate both in NZ and Aus
so all “problems” or “potentials ones”
can be dealt with

With professional efficiency

Who would think that the Australians
would be over taxing kiwis
to fund I S I S and not be aware that
that is what in fact they are doing?

While selling their Country to the
Communist Chinese

OZ is more than Happy to show pony and show force when there is ” no threat as all”

When it comes to doing what needs to be done
their politicians like ours
do not have the brains or
the balls

Their work is over for the year
and while they have sat back an let
the OZ car industry die

some are prancing around not in Holdens or Fords

but very expensive blomb proof
B M W ‘s

that hard working kiwis helped fund

Kumbaya
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December 4, 2016 2:10pm
- pentwig
  
  Someone yesterday that this writing style is familiar.
  Whoar I think you are correct.
  
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  December 4, 2016 2:16pm
  - stigie
    
    Punctuation is missing …eh..?
    
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    December 4, 2016 2:42pm
  - sam green
    
    Pardonez moi?
    
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    December 4, 2016 3:09pm
  - Jack5
    
    Whoar used a flurry fullstops, though. There were his mark, like borer holes in timber.
    
    Whoar, a rather sad character, whose most notorious feat was to fuck up the armed hold-up of a small shop (a chemist?) as he sought cash to buy drugs.
    
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    December 4, 2016 4:39pm
  - cha
    
    Nah, more dad style.
    
    This is phil –
    
    you just keep on railing on into that dark night..eh bloody hands..?
    
    your time will come soon enough..
    
    ..how is the bank manager..?..b.t.w..?
    
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    December 4, 2016 4:59pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Don’t be a Phool
    
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    December 4, 2016 5:41pm
- Jack5
  
  Beesting’s 2.10 post included:
  
  Ko Rutene
  
  a NZ decorated combat vet of Afghanistan
  who was in a special unit for dealing with
  “problems” and was “John the Keys”
  personal body guard ….
  
  This guy’s name is confusing. I believe he is one and the same former lance-corporal, Ngati Kanohi Te Eke Haapu, known as Ko?
  
  He has been the subject of much bullshit spread around by gang sympathisers and relatives. His campaign medals for service in Afghanistan, have become “medals of honour”. The fact that the armoured personnel carrier in which he was a gunner was involved in protection of the Prime Minister during a visit has been hyped up to be a “former personal bodyguard to the Prime Minister.”
  
  Some of the bullshit is the result of the folly of giving criminals in prison internet access.
  
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  December 4, 2016 4:35pm
  - BeeSting
    
    That is not the point
    
    The point is if he is a criminal
    which is highly likely
    
    He needs to be charged and if
    he is using a NZ army uniform as some
    form of excuse the pun “defence” he needs
    to be perhaps face some form of extra
    military discipline.
    
    The Irony is you and the GVT are happy
    to send people like him into
    War Zones to fight and in some case
    die for justice and democracy
    
    or that is what the media tells us
    
    so when they return they are given none
    
    IF big IF people like him were allowed
    to join the Australian Army Reserve
    (which they are not) they have to jump through hoops)
    they would not have to waste their time
    seeking Mate ship with the
    Rebels MC
    
    Either way under NZ law as it stands
    he is like everyone else innocent until
    proven guilty so
    
    What was it ?
    Library Books
    Parking Fines
    or just joining a Bikie Club?
    
    Everything about this case is
    Classified
    
    No Arrested Known
    Australian I S I S supporters have
    been put in Solitary Confinement
    to my knowledge
    
    If he has a case to answer make him answer it
    rather than walk free on the streets of NZ?
    
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    December 4, 2016 5:51pm
    - Jack5
      
      Beesting’s 5.51 post included:
      
      The Irony is you and the GVT are happy to send people like him into War Zones to fight and in some case die for justice and democracy.
      
      Beesting, we don’t have conscription. The men and women of our armed forces are volunteers, and most of them are good people. Most of us appreciate their service, but we don’t give them carte blanche for their behaviour then or subsequently.
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  BeeSting , without a single piece of factual evidence other than the ludicrous idea of stolen Hi Luxes in and around Sydney etc !
  
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  December 4, 2016 5:15pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  I reckon this shit is caused by drugs – when you run out and can’t get any more.
  Just the beginning of a thermonuclear meltdown
  
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  December 4, 2016 5:45pm
  - Reid
    
    Not sure to which you refer Steve but either way, I agree.
    
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    December 4, 2016 6:47pm
- Pateke
  
  Perhaps you need a wee lie down Beesting. I think life has gotten a little ahead of your mind.
  
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  December 4, 2016 7:59pm
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  Christ, Philu’s reincarnation is a bit of a worry……
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:43pm
Reid

The great metascientist and statistician Nassim Nicholas Taleb headlined on November 22nd a devastating takedown of U.S. ‘news’ media and academia, «Syria and the Statistics of War», and he began there by exposing the highly honored Harvard fraud, Dr. Steven Pinker, but then went pretty much through the entire U.S. ‘intellectual’ Establishment, including all of its major ‘news’ media, as being untrustworthy on the part of any intelligent person…

Yet oddly, many here do trust it. How extraordinary. A riddle wrapped in an enigma inside a mystery.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/02/why-us-news-media-shouldnt-trusted.html
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December 4, 2016 2:16pm
Reid

I wonder what the real reason was.

https://www.rt.com/news/369090-china-trump-taiwan-call/

Even if you’re not a professional politician you have to know how that call would be interpreted and is being, before you decided to take it. So I wonder what the calculation was.

It’s a shame really. One thing Trump could easily do is wind back the Sino-US tensions that Obama has obediently exacerbated. But it doesn’t look from this as if that is on his list.

It’s a shame, because it’s a hiding to nothing for the US to wind them up because it can only end one way and that is badly. The US century is over, this is China’s and the only question is will the US go quietly into the night or will it start a war. Because the US can’t change this reality, it will unfold without the US being able to do a thing to stop it. The US can delay or impede it or try to sabotage it but it can’t and it won’t stop it. And this is a plain as day drop dead obvious simple there it is fact.

And you add this Taiwan call to his Russian one and you can see the strategy which won’t work, of buddying up to Russia to sabotage the Sino-Russian alliance.
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December 4, 2016 2:42pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid, also sourced from here ?
  
  http://allthingsd.com/files/2011/09/putin.png
  
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  December 4, 2016 5:20pm
  - Reid
    
    Fuck you’re dumb.
    
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    December 4, 2016 6:16pm
Fletch

Jill Stein has dropped her recount effort in Pennsylvania. Turns out it was too expensive (even after she raised millions of dollars).

Washington (CNN)Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein said Saturday she is dropping her bid for a statewide election recount in Pennsylvania.

Citing a major cost placed on voters due to a court ruling that says the voters requesting the recount must pay a $1 million bond, Stein also said she will be making a “major announcement” regarding her next steps in the recount process at a 10 a.m news conference Monday outside Trump Tower in New York.
“The judge’s outrageous demand that voters pay such an exorbitant figure is a shameful, unacceptable barrier to democratic participation,” Stein said in a statement. “This is yet another sign that Pennsylvania’s antiquated election law is stacked against voters. By demanding a $1 million bond from voters yesterday, the court made clear it has no interest in giving a fair hearing to these voters’ legitimate concerns over the accuracy, security and fairness of an election tainted by suspicion.”

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/03/politics/jill-stein-drops-pennsylvania-recount/
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December 4, 2016 3:18pm
- Manolo
  
  The shyster Stein must have collected enough money for future Green Party campaigns. No need to continue on with the farce.
  
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  December 4, 2016 4:24pm
Happychappy

I find it quite funny that in a week where National get great results in two of the latest polls and then a familiar theme from past election lead up’s appears. The fat German has a column in the Herald with the story am i being spied again,is this a coin’cidence again or is this a prelude to events that might happen leading up to the next General Election.
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December 4, 2016 3:41pm
BeeSting

Must be time for

the Dancing Cossacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbevFguT6NE

Piggy Muldoon

Fascinating
Australias Compulsory Super Scheme
has worked

Now they are taxing Kiwis
so they can retire early
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December 4, 2016 3:44pm
BeeSting

WHAT WRITING STYLE IS THAT
BIG BRUV
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December 4, 2016 3:50pm
- stigie
  
  Wonder if the Phool is missing Kiwiblog ?
  
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  December 4, 2016 4:51pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Maybe the stupid prick got railroaded from that other place – standards not met
    
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    December 4, 2016 5:47pm
Inandout

Apart from the Breitbart boycott, this is a better reason for not eating Kellogs.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/03/14/kellogg-investigation-under-way-after-graphic-video0.html
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December 4, 2016 4:20pm
BeeSting

https://www.rt.com/news/369124-caucasus-isis-leader-killed-fsb/

Holy Russias
“Quick Reaction Force”
in action

Head of ISIS ‘branch’ in Russia’s N. Caucasus killed in special police op – FSB

That is one less Dead Beat Scum bag to spoil
the Christmas Holiday Period

Next

“Rustan Magomedovich Aselderov (Abu Muhammad), born in 1981, the leader of the Vilayat Kavkaz section of the Islamic State international terrorist group, was among the militants eliminated alongside four of his close associates,” the FSB said in a statement.

Nice Work

There is much Aus and NZ Security can gain
from Studying some Russian methods
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December 4, 2016 5:41pm
- stephieboy
  
  Like taking out the head of ISIS and his extended family plus throwing in a bit of torture too ?
  
  https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/
  
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  December 4, 2016 5:44pm
  - Reid
    
    Fuck you’re dumb.
    
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    December 4, 2016 6:16pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid ,
      
      Putin shows how things should be done ,
      
      ,http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/world/europe/russia-chechnya-caucasus-terrorists-families.html
      
      Something for Trump to emulate ?
      
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      December 4, 2016 6:59pm
- sam green
  
  Some village somewhere, is missing it’s idiot.
  
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  December 4, 2016 6:17pm
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Get back quick Sam, before your Mum finds out that you’re not chopping wood for the copper. Monday washing in the morning, 5am start, then you can go to school
    
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    December 4, 2016 6:29pm
    - sam green
      
      Did someone pull your chain Steve? You’re looking flushed.
      
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      December 4, 2016 6:36pm
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
        
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        December 4, 2016 6:41pm
stigie

NZ doing ok at the moment, they have Aus 4/100 after 23 0vers !
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December 4, 2016 6:01pm
- sam green
  
  302?
  
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  December 4, 2016 7:48pm
Maggy Wassilieff

“I have character in spades”

– Andrew Little 4 Dec 2016

(personally transcribed by me)
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December 4, 2016 6:06pm
- sam green
  
  Did he say that about you Maggy?
  
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  December 4, 2016 6:14pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    No, as it is a direct quote…..
    (clue : my use of quotation marks).
    
    Little said it about himself.
    
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    December 4, 2016 6:55pm
    - sam green
      
      Yeah – I get that Maggy.
      
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      December 4, 2016 6:57pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”Little said it about himself.”….
      
      Fair enough….no one else would. He has all the charisma of a short dated suet pudding. 🙂
      
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      December 4, 2016 6:57pm
      - stigie
        
        Nasska:- Thought i would put this up for a little Sunday night light read..?
        
        http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/87108369/Lewis-Stanton-can-return-to-Nelson-CBD
        
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        December 4, 2016 7:35pm
      - Reid
        
        His problem is no-one fears him. He’s beyond likeable so he gave up on that long ago so he needed to be competent and authoritative and he’s spent his whole life perfecting that piece of bullshit in his persona. But he forgot to make himself scary. I mean no-one likes Hulun either but a lot of people are scared of her. So Andy should have done that to himself too, but he didn’t.
        
        Consequently he comes across as the Headmaster in The Wall video, seemingly scary but not really but either way, a complete a-hole.
        
        And this is Andy’s problem.
        
        Come to think about it, this is probably why he’s so angry, because everytime he thinks about how lousy life has turned out to be for him, something inside tells him its all his fault, and how would anyone like something that going inside their head, day in, day out.
        
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        December 4, 2016 7:45pm
      - nasska
        
        It was a good decision by Justice Williams stigie. I realise that you & others have a thing about Stanton but the fact remains that he is exercising his rights by protesting in the way he has been. I don’t want to live in a NZ where people are arbitrarily jailed because their cause is unpopular.
        
        …..”The judge said if there was a risk of further clashes it would be for police to keep the peace’…..
        
        ……which is exactly as it should be. The police should not be able to rely on the Courts to save them from doing what they’re paid to do.
        
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        December 4, 2016 7:46pm
      - stigie
        
        I do agree Nasska, but something has to be done about him shitting up the footpath outside Farmers Nelson. What a lot of the public are doing now is heading out to Farmers Richmond to bypass the filth they have to step around that’s in the CBD.
        People have a right to protest of course, but not in the entrance way of a business that’s trying to support the people of Nelson !~
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:01pm
      - nasska
        
        …..”People have a right to protest of course”….
        
        Yes & if you restrict them to say a side street outside the back of the council car park then at the same time you are restricting their visibility & the impact of their protest.
        
        So far Lewis Stanton has been burned & disfigured, assaulted, abused, arrested, trespassed, jailed & had his worldly possessions confiscated over what is little else other than unpaid parking tickets & a control freak mentality within the Nelson City Council.
        
        His protest is valid.
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:09pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        So far Lewis Stanton has been burned & disfigured, assaulted, abused, arrested, trespassed, jailed & had his worldly possessions confiscated over what is little else other than unpaid parking tickets & a control freak mentality within the Nelson City Council.
        
        His protest is valid.
        
        Somewhere, in a place called Kingsland, someone is feeling a bit miffed that her protest isn’t valid!
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:15pm
      - nasska
        
        There’s a whiff of her underwashed armpits in the air to remind us all Nostra. 🙂
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:19pm
      - stigie
        
        Of course she would be a little miffed Nostra, getting by on 1 litre per minute and unable to wash..?
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:24pm
      - stigie
        
        Have i got that completely wrong Nasska/Nostra…… maybe it’s 1 litre per hour..? Per minute seems a lot for Penny !~
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:32pm
      - nasska
        
        Per minute stigie but you have to remember that Penny has told us that three adults & six cats reside at her address.
        
        A bath can be upward of 145litres, flushing the toilet is about 9 litres per visit & washing the dishes about the same.
        
        I would imagine there’s chaos in the mornings at Chateau Bright. 🙂
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:48pm
BeeSting

Celebrations all round

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sowpvuK-co8
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December 4, 2016 7:35pm
- Reid
  
  BS can you do us all a favour please and not put quite so many line breaks into your posts.
  
  Humans read by pattern recognition of each word and common phrase groupings and anything that disrupts the pattern disrupts reading.
  
  This is why grammar is important too, for instance the difference between it’s and its. This is because each has a distinct shape and in the hundredth of a second the brain is processing it’s vs its it’s also comparing its understanding of its and it’s to the context of what its just been reading.
  
  So if an apostrophe means that much in pattern recognition imagine how much an unexpected line break means.
  
  This is a general principle of reading but applied online it’s especially critical due to the decreased DPI on even the best VDU’s compared to paper.
  
  Of course it’s a free world but by persisting with this technique you’re impeding people from processing your message. Remember, the best interface is completely invisible, because it’s so in accord with a person’s consciousness it’s not even there, and their mind is therefore free to interface directly with the data with no distraction.
  
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  December 4, 2016 7:54pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Reid:
    
    BS can you do us all a favour please and not put quite so many line breaks into your posts.
    
    I couldn’t help but notice that you tagged this onto one of BeeSting’s shortest comments (2 lines)!
    
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    December 4, 2016 8:14pm
    - Reid
      
      Yes I thought it was the intermission Nosty so it was a good time to get his attention.
      
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      December 4, 2016 8:20pm
      - nasska
        
        He didn’t even break stride Reid. 🙂
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:53pm
      - Reid
        
        No I was a bit disappointed too.
        
        I’ll have to call in the heavies.
        
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        December 4, 2016 8:57pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        I’d offer Reid but I’m dieting… back under the hundy! ??
        
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        December 4, 2016 9:39pm
      - Reid
        
        That’s Ok AC, I have a plan.
        
        I have a contact in the new Health & Safety ministry, and one of the secret clauses in their Enabling Act (apart from the one which is letting them demand half of Wellington is demolished lest a brick be slightly dislodged in yet another earthquake which is bound to happen), is that they’re the grammar police, with the same arrest, detention and rendition powers as the US DHS has. (Thanks, Five Eyes. (Wink.))
        
        So my hope is once the opportunity comes up for my contact to cleverly insert it into a footnote somewhere and it winds up in legislation, BeeSting’s crimes can finally be stopped. I’m thinking around three or so years though, that’s the only downside.
        
        The wheels grind slowly but they grind exceedingly fine.
        
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        December 4, 2016 10:08pm
BeeSting

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/lindt-cafe-siege-inquest-man-haron-monis-wanted-to-be-a-rebels-bikie-20150525-gh93k4.html

The Reason we need info on Ko Rutene is :

He was alleged to have been deported because of
associations with the Rebels MC?

http://www.news.com.au/national/decorated-nz-soldier-ko-rutene-is-being-detained-in-australia/news-story/a3fb3466efebe5db56ea4978afa3b9e6

The Aus based Jihadist Man haron monis of the infamous sydney siege attempted to join the rebels MC club to get access to fire arms.

Obviously told by one of his 10-15,000 face book followers that is a good place to start, so has this ex NZ Soldier been turned? We know the jihad community has been combing the NZ prison population for recruits since 9/11.

In both cases most of the info is top secret / classified, with the Lindt Cafe it is pretty obvious there is criminal negligence upon the parts of many in the legal profession and the Aus Gvt could have a case taken against it.

One thing to ponder, while many deny there is no
Jihad Issue in Aus or NZ, is this Jihadist had at one stage a “security licence”??

Either way the sooner NZ starts removing its scum bags from OZ the better, he should have been removed by a NZ police or Military unit.

Policing in Aus is challenging enough.
Short lines are easier to read.
More info will follow on why and how a certain section of the aus population apart from liking Toyotas and Paint Ball just love getting security licences and taking over “security companies”
I find that strange because when one of these incidents happen you barely hear a word from them, if they were so obsessed with the Security of Australia they would speak up and act sooner would they not? Regardless NZ will have to help Aus with its problems and the sooner that happens the better.
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December 4, 2016 8:27pm
- Reid
  
  Short lines are easier to read.
  
  This is true and sprinkles are good too but they don’t go with every single little thing every single time.
  
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  December 4, 2016 8:51pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    It’s not the lines…. just sayin
    
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    December 4, 2016 9:40pm
- stephieboy
  
  “We know the jihad community has been combing the NZ prison population for recruits since 9/11.”
  
  Says whom ?
  
  “…with the Lindt Cafe it is pretty obvious there is criminal negligence upon the parts of many in the legal profession and the Aus Gvt could have a case taken against it…”
  
  Evidence and again says whom ?
  
  “More evidence will follow… ?
  
  Yeah right ! More conspiracy related fodder ?
  
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  December 4, 2016 10:16pm
  - Reid
    
    Evidence and again says whom ?
    
    Given you’ll never understand it anyway no matter what it is, what’s the point?
    
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    December 4, 2016 10:23pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid, ok since your our resident chronic know it all ( with maybe a bit of help from the Illuminati )walk me through the actual evidence ?
      
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      December 4, 2016 10:29pm
Manolo

What will the result of the Italian referendum be?
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_ITALY_REFERENDUM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-12-04-07-29-01
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