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oldpark

Interesting comparison. Pack and Save V Countdown supermarkets and self service. Seems Countdown take the biscuit or is it the money. They have installed a battery of self sevice checkout machines, thus doing away with a lot of hard working employees. The trick here is the shopper not only do their own checks and bag as well, just like a defacto” Pack and Save”. At least in Pack and Save the shopper gets cheaper groceries,where in Countdown they pay through the nose and do their own check out,saving the Australian owned Supermarket mega dollars,all paid for by the sucked in shopper,doing the work of once paid employees.
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December 30, 2016 8:14am
- peterwn
  
  No one says you have to use the self service checkouts. Your argument also falls down since many New World supermarkets also have self service checkouts and yet they are upmarket compared with their Pak ‘n’ Save cousins.
  Self service checkouts are not suitable for a high volume shop but are handy for low volume shops when the conventional checkouts are busy. In Australia both Coles and Woolworths have self service checkouts including the Woolworths owned Big W variety stores.
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:43am
  - pdm
    
    Pak `n’ Save Hastings have self service check outs.
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:28am
    - rangitoto
      
      So does Pak ‘n’ Save Albany.
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:15am
      - Colville
        
        pakandsave Napier too
        
        always use it, just way faster.
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:02pm
  - oldpark
    
    Maybe not, except there are a lot more so called self service machines in Countdown than check out operators. The point being made is, Pack and Save shoppers ,score with cheaper groceries,where in Countdown they pay more for less service,having to bag and do their own price checkout.
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:33am
    - double d
      
      Ummm.
      Then shoppers will go to PakNSave if dissatisfied
      Or if satisfied with Countdown will stay that shop
      Choice – ain’t it a bummer!
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:44am
    - HB
      
      Hastings pak and save also has superior service when you do go through checkout. They properly staff their checkout so the wait is never long. Everytime I go to Countdown I regret it because I always have to wait such a long time in a queue. Also, Countdown Hastings is rundown and grotty.
      
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      December 30, 2016 1:52pm
- Paulus
  
  No Plastic bags at P&S.
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:46am
  - mikenmild
    
    Yes there are, but you have to pay 10c per bag.
    
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    December 30, 2016 8:53am
    - Captain Mainwaring
      
      Actually 5c.
      
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      December 30, 2016 9:00am
      - Paulus
        
        Was never made aware of any plastic in our P&S whatever the cost.
        
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        December 30, 2016 11:10am
- Happychappy
  
  Something you might not realize Countdown pay a higher rate in wages than Pack and Save or New World.
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:49am
  - burt
    
    Then we should boycott them as their employees might not vote for more welfare.
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:20am
  - Paulus
    
    Have to pay more to keep staff. In our local Countdown they list many Managers but why are their few staff on checkout ?
    
    Everything in Countdown is packed elsewhere and delivered by truck – no butchers for example all pre packed – WYSWIG.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:12am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Countdown report 200% sales in carrots through their self checkouts
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:50am
- mikenmild
  
  Pak n Save also have the hand-held scanners, which are really very good.
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:55am
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Countdown is a more dignified shopping experience any day and worth a bit of extra money.
  Pak n Save is overpopulated with smelly welfare types in old wrecks of cars buying their weekly dose of brisket and bacon bits.
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:07am
  - mikenmild
    
    You think Countdown folks are a better social strata?
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:11am
  - brett68
    
    Our pak n save has a gourmet meat bar that puts Farro fresh/Nosh to shame. plus a deli that’s on par as well.
    Also has a tremendously good fish bar, super fresh at great prices.
    
    Personally, I find the produce and meat on sale at countdown overpriced and of average quality.
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:17am
    - mikenmild
      
      Catering to knobs who equate price with quality?
      
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      December 30, 2016 9:20am
      - brett68
        
        Seems to be, apart from when booze is on special, I don’t go near a countdown.
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:22am
      - holysheet
        
        Yes of course thats the reason.
        What kind of car do you own milky?
        It should be a Lada after your comment above. Why?
        Because it has 4 wheels, an engine, steering wheel, doors, windows, everything that a more reliable and expensive car has. So why not confirm that you own and drive a Lada. If not tell us why.
        Or are you a hypocrite snowflake who just says shit for the sake of it
        
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        December 30, 2016 11:58am
    - calendar girl
      
      In my personal experience from two different P’nS stores and three different Countdown stores, ‘fresh’ produce items from Countdown – fruit & vegies, meat, fish – tend to have a lower ‘freshness’ standard than those of P’nS.
      
      A major concern of mine with supermarket produce is the trend to pre-packing of fruit & vegies in plastic bags. The produce sweats, and deteriorates more quickly.
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:25am
  - Paulus
    
    Crap ! Stars & Stripes.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:14am
    - Stars And Stripes
      
      Merry Christmas to you too Paulus.
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:45am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    At Pak n Save some are still in pyjamas at 3pm. Countdown has better quality
    
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    December 30, 2016 1:53pm
  - howitis
    
    I drive past 3 Crim operation Countdowns to go to Pak n Save once a month now.
    
    The New Mogadishu one in New North Rd, AKl in
    D. Shearer country is not worth it but the Royal Oak is fine and damn quick service . I guess being in Sudan Shearer will feel at home.
    
    Countdown in Eden Qtr is a New Delhi slum with Dehli standard of service. They even try to rip you off on price they are so used to it. A habit that won’t go away.
    Crim countdown are clueless on service.
    Gimme NZ owned please.
    
    The New Worlds in Wellington are excellent, bright, clean and quick.
    except: New World Victoria park AKL has terrible meat but the steak makes good paving stones.
    
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    December 30, 2016 3:06pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Countdown gives the shopper a much wider variety and choice of goods – arguably accounting for the higher prices. My wfe shops at Pak’n’Save, but I always buy from Countdown when I do buy stuff because of the choice, and a much better user-friendly layout and racking.
  
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  December 30, 2016 10:40am
- Fletch
  
  I commented to one of the staff manning a checkout at Countdown that the self-serve machines would probably do people out of a job? And she said that there weren’t enough people wanting to do the job anyway…
  
  I think, in this day and age, that many people think such a job is below them. They all want to go directly into I.T jobs or other work where they can sit at a desk and make lots of money.
  
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  December 30, 2016 11:19am
- big bruv
  
  I cannot believe that anybody shops at Pack n Save by choice. On the few occasions that I have had to visit a Pack n Save I always walk out feeling that I need a wash, most of their clients are low life scum.
  
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  December 30, 2016 11:46am
  - doggone7
    
    They mustn’t have had those bins for shoppers to put the scraggy stuff off vegetables and other gunk since you escaped to tell that story. Could be that no-one wanted to soil their hands picking you up?
    
    Could be you don’t live in a salubrious area. The customers in their Wairau Road shop would have called pest control.
    
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    December 30, 2016 12:59pm
  - Gabby
    
    You usually could do with a bit of soap and water if you’re honest.
    
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    December 30, 2016 2:38pm
- Komata
  
  Oldpark
  
  Re: ‘At least in Pack and Save the shopper gets cheaper groceries,where in Countdown they pay through the nose…’
  
  In light of that statement, this might be of interest. In the not-so-small rural town in which I live, there are the following supermarkets: Fresh Choice, Countdown, New World and Four Square (actually two of the latter). Fresh Choice and Countdown are, for all intents and purposes, one and the same organisation, while New World and Four Square share a similar relationship.
  
  I do the family shopping and definitely go chasing the bargains – it saves money.
  
  Over time, a list of specific items (Coffee, Cheese, Milk, Yoghurt etc.) has evolved and, as these items are common to all these stores, I use this list to get comparative prices prior to starting to shop. I have been doing this for the past five years, and have kept records over that time to see exactly which of these chains is cheapest and which the dearest.
  
  The results are interesting: In order of ‘cheapness’ and IMHO ‘Best Value for Money’, the list reads as follows:
  
  1. Countdown.
  2. Fresh Choice*
  3. New World*
  4. Four Square
  
  * Despite being in direct competition with each other, Fresh Choice and New World seem take it in turns to raise and lower their prices; the reasons for this being totally unknown.
  
  Four Square is on a similar pricing-level to local dairies and petrol stations and is only used ‘If all else fails’.
  
  Two Pak-n-Saves are available in a nearby city, but I have found that (a) the prices are not that much cheaper than C’down’s (especially if the price of petrol and vehicle wear and tear are factored in) and the ‘quality’ of food purchased there does not meet with family approval; it doesn’t pass the ‘Taste Test’ when compared with the C’down products. Pak’-‘Save is part of the New World / Four Square chain and a they share common product lines this also applies to local purchases. Their ‘in house’ brand is not favourably received, seeming to indicate that ‘Cheapness’ does not necessarily equate with quality.
  
  The information I have just presented, would seem to put the lie to your assertion about the ‘greediness’ of Coles / Woolworths (C’down) vis a vis New World etc. and on that basis I can only suggest that perhaps the pricing structures are different where you live – or that you don’t like Australians?
  
  In respect of the ‘self-service ‘ systems in place in C’down and Pak-n-Save (the latter being NZ-owned BTW, NOT Australian, which would seem to negate your point somewhat), might I suggest that their advantage is essentially one of ‘speed’, as they reduce the time customers have to wait to pass through a check-out. Despite what some might like to think, the average user of such devices gives little thought to the number of jobs that a machine has replaced; they are more interested in getting the shopping finished so that they can go onto other tasks. The machines are certainly supervised (they do occasionally fail) but so long as they do the job, absolutely no one cares about lost employment; that is the unfortunate reality.
  
  If however you are still concerned about these machines (and they have been around for at least 5 years in NZ) might I suggest ttht you write to the BoD’s of both Countdown / Fresh Choice AND New World / Pak-n-Save/ Four Square and express your views to them.
  I’m sure you will receive a good hearing.
  
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  December 30, 2016 2:03pm
  - Gabby
    
    Nobody REALLY likes Australians.
    
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    December 30, 2016 2:36pm
Longknives

I see Serena Williams has arrived in town and everyone is gushing over her and lapping up her ridiculous inflated opinion of herself. She was laughably calling herself the ‘Greatest Athlete of All Time’ the other day- Not even close Lady…
*Interesting that we vilify Lance Armstrong but this ridiculous egotist still hasn’t explained why she locked herself in her Panic Room when the Drug Testers came callin’..
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December 30, 2016 8:16am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  OMG Longknives – you are so racist and so sexist!
  
  It’s obvous – BLM so she isn’t a remarkably well-defined drug cheat.
  
  Plus Armstrong was a symbol of the neo-liberal patriarchy (in a sport where only drug-cheats competed) so as a man it’s perfectly OK for him to be villified (prostate cancer – pah – not a real cancer like breast cancer) whereas Serena is a poor subjugated female.
  
  No comparison (well unless you unfairly use logic – but that’s not PC)!
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:24am
  - Gabby
    
    Armstrong was a symbol of cheating arseholes. Rightards love him for getting away with it.
    
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    December 30, 2016 2:35pm
- Keeping Stock
  
  this ridiculous egotist still hasn’t explained why she locked herself in her Panic Room when the Drug Testers came callin’..
  
  Oh bullshit Longknives. She rang the cops because she spotted an intruder on her property; that’s hardly a “hasn’t explained” now, is it?
  
  http://nypost.com/2011/11/02/serena-williams-locks-herself-in-panic-room-in-drug-test-mix-up/
  
  I don’t know if Williams does drugs or not, but if she does, then she gets no sympathy from me. It’s a real coup that Karl Budge has got her down to New Zealand for next week’s tournament, but why she would bother turning up for a hater like you is anyone’s guess.
  
  PS – Armstrong continued to deny using drugs until the evidence against him was so overwhelming that he had to go on Oprah and come clean. Has he made amends though? I don’t think so. He certainly didn’t make any attempt to contact Stephen Swart when he was in New Zealand a few weeks ago to apologise for effectively ending Swart’s professional career and trashing his reputation.
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:35am
  - howitis
    
    It is documented that Serena Williams takes drugs.
    She has a TUE for this as does her sister Venus.
    TUE = Therapeutic Use Exemption
    
    As do many US athletes.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2016/09/13/us-superstars-serena-and-venus-williams-and-simone-biles-given-d/
    
    List of the biggest doping scandals in athletics.
    http://running.competitor.com/2011/05/news/the-top-10-running-doping-scandals-of-all-time_28190
    10 athletes mentioned. Six from the US. Only one Russian.
    
    There sure are a lot of Yank athletes with ADHD.
    And more than half of the world-class Norwegian ski team have asthma. Can you believe that!! The Finland ski team don’t.
    I seriously question the statistically out-of-line blip for British Cycling Olympic medals when they are mediocre to average the other 3.75 years out of 4.
    
    It is not just Armstrong from the US: Add in Justin Gatlin; Carl Lewis; Marion Jones; Florence Griffith Joyner. Lots of baseballers;
    That yankee four letter word: DENY.
    I did not have sex with that woman.
    I did not relations with that drug.
    
    WADA FIFA IAAF are an alphabet soup of crooks.
    The 35 year old Serena Williams ‘naturally’ has twice the arm muscle mass of Novak Djokovic from drinking Gatorade. Yeah OK.
    
    Time will reveal all as it did with Flo Jo, Marion Jones, Linford Christie, CJ Hunter etc.
    The Russians get a raw deal but it is all part of the anti Russian rhetoric driven under Obummer/H Clinton/J Kerry. Roll on 20 January.
    
    Well done to Serena Williams on getting engaged and may she have a great 2017 on the court.
    I reserve judgement on whether she is totally clean and wait for time to tell as we had to wait years after the peak success for Armstrong, M Jones etc to show proof.
    
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    December 30, 2016 3:55pm
- cmm
  
  Mz Williams come to town to play some mixed singles?
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:11am
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  She’s just announced her engagement
  http://edition.cnn.com/2016/12/29/entertainment/serena-williams-engaged-alexis-ohanian/index.html
  
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  December 30, 2016 10:46am
All_on_Red

‘The Obama administration is under intense pressure to release evidence confirming Russian interference in the presidential election before leaving office.
The administration up until now has provided little documentation to back up its official October assessment that the Russian government was attempting to interfere in the U.S. election.
Nor has it corroborated subsequent leaks from anonymous officials contending that the CIA believes the campaign was an attempt by Russian President Vladimir Putin to ensure Donald Trump’s victory. ‘
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/312049-obama-under-pressure-to-prove-russian-interference-in-election
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December 30, 2016 8:20am
- DifferentPerspective
  
  Yes – no satisfied with Obama’s legacy being “worst President ever” he’s now embarking on a frenzy of well-poisoning that make Clark’s 2008 efforts in NZ seem like good-natured pranks (board stacking, train-set buying, lame duck SSC commissioner appt etc).
  
  He’s pardoned more crims than the 9 previous Presidents combined. And to do something as destructive as sponsoring the Israel settlement resolution during the inter-regnum is just disgusting and now there’s talk of imposing ‘sour grapes’ sanctions on the Russians for the ‘fake news’ unsubstantiated ‘interference’ in the election. (No one has explained how the Ruskies managed to make the Dems write and send all those incriminating emails though – I thought we liked ‘sunshine’ and ‘openness’ and ‘disclosure’ – silly me those things don’t apply to socialists!)
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:32am
  - stephieboy
    
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    DifferentPerspective ,
    
    “worst President ever”
    
    Says whom other than say Breitbart , WND or Fox and other alt righters . Plus 4.9% unemployment and 1.7 % inflation and healthy exports etc
    
    “He’s pardoned more crims than the 9 previous Presidents combined..”
    
    Link ?
    
    Is is OK for Israel to annex and occupy the West bank. ? Unlike the Sinai which it uncocnditionally withdrew from ?
    
    Sour grapes sanctions on Kremlin supporting Ukraine Rebels and occupation of Crimea ?( I take it Trump will reverse this and allow Rebels to take control of East and Southern Ukraine ? If not the ]whole Ukraine ? )
    
    The investigation into the elction hacking allegations is onging . Naturally the Kremlin and wiki leaks are extending their full co -operation ?
    
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    December 30, 2016 8:49am
    - cmm
      
      4.9% unemployment and 1.7% inflation are only happening due to the $10T or so increase in the national debt during his time. Anyone can party when there’s an infinite credit card on the table.
      
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      December 30, 2016 8:56am
      - All_on_Red
        
        9.3% Unemployment ?
        https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:08am
      - stephieboy
        
        cmm, Obama inherited not only a wopping debt from GWB but also the the 2007/8 internatinoal credit crises stemming from that . Not forgetting the motar industry bail out .
        
        Now Obama could of gone on a slash and burn spending cuts but the resulting unemployment would have been horrendous with at least 20% plus .and politically sducidal .
        
        I take it Trump will do a slash and burn including cancelling his tax cuts and public spending infrastructure projects , miltary spending including the $ 1 billion + Mexican wall etc , etc ?
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:12am
      - cmm
        
        All_on_Red: Thanks for fixing the numbers. I was just running with stephie’s “facts”.
        
        Funny logic stephie’s using.: Obama is not the worst president ever because Putin is doing something in Ukraine and Israel is poking around in Palestine again.
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:15am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , so your insinuating that the official BLS unemployment rate for example 2007 Dec 5% was in fact 9 -10 % ?
        
        I much prefer their assessment than your biased and skewed sources ,
        
        https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
        
        Are you suggesting that Thomas Perez and his department are lying ?
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:18am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie
        How much was the wopping (sic) debt when Obama took over? Say Jan 2009
        How much is the wopping (sic) debt now?
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:22am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ”All on Red , so your insinuating that the official BLS unemployment rate for example 2007 Dec 5% was in fact 9 -10 % ?”
        No. I suspect one of the reasons your moronic arguments fail all the time is you don’t look at the links.
        This graph ;https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
        is actual Bureau of Labor Statistics data as at November 2016- you know, prepared by Thomas Perez and his dept.
        It clearly shows 9.3%. This has been explained to you and the other Stephies many times. Maybe you should cover it in your handover briefing so you don’t keep being made to look ignorant all the time?
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:27am
      - holysheet
        
        Stupidboy said
        “cmm, Obama inherited not only a wopping debt from GWB but also the the 2007/8 internatinoal credit crises stemming from that . Not forgetting the motar industry bail out .
        
        Now Obama could of gone on a slash and burn spending cuts but the resulting unemployment would have been horrendous with at least 20% plus .and politically sducidal”
        
        If you change the name from Obumma to Key, you could be describing the exact same scenario as happened here in NZ. But they continue on berating the Govt here for doing exactly the same thing.
        
        Oh silly me, It’s different when the snowflakes do it.
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:33am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red ,
        
        United States Unemployment Rate 1948-2016 | Data | Chart | Calendar
        
        US unemployment rate fell to 4.6 percent in November 2016 from 4.9 percent in the previous month and well below market expectations of 4.9 percent. It was the lowest jobless rate since August 2007, as the number of unemployed persons declined by 387 thousand to 7.4 million while the labor force participation rate decreased by 0.1 percentage point to 62.7 percent. Unemployment Rate in the United States averaged 5.81 percent from 1948 until 2016, reaching an all time high of 10.80 percent in November of 1982 and a record low of 2.50 percent in May of 1953.
        
        Let us repeat ,
        
        “It was the lowest jobless rate since August 2007, as the number of unemployed persons declined by 387 thousand to 7.4 million while the labor force participation rate decreased by 0.1 percentage point to 62.7 percent….”
        
        http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/unemployment-rate
        
        Labor Force Statistics from the Current Population Survey
        
        Unemployment rate declines to 4.6% in November; payroll employment increases by 178,000
        
        12/02/2016
        
        The unemployment rate declined to 4.6 percent in November, and total nonfarm payroll eCommissioner’s Statementmployment increased by 178,000. Employment gains occurred in professional and business services and in health care.
        
        HTML | PDF | RSS | Charts | Commissioner’s Statement
        
        Commissioner’s Statement on The Employment Situation
        
        “Advance copies of this statement are made available to the press
        under lock-up conditions with the explicit understanding that
        the data are embargoed until 8:30 a.m. Eastern Standard Time.
        
        Statement of
        
        Erica L. Groshen
        Commissioner
        Bureau of Labor Statistics
        
        Friday, December 2, 2016
        
        The unemployment rate declined by 0.3 percentage point to
        4.6 percent in November, and nonfarm payroll employment
        increased by 178,000. Job growth continued in professional and
        business services and in health care. Thus far this year,
        nonfarm job growth has averaged 180,000 per month, compared with
        an average gain of 229,000 per month in 2015.
        
        Incorporating revisions for September and October, which
        reduced nonfarm payroll employment by 2,000 on net, monthly job
        gains have averaged 176,000 over the past 3 months…”
        
        https://www.bls.gov/cps/
        
        Now do Dopeys like you and Holyexcrement , cmm etc still have to be hand fed ?
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:49am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stephie
        The U3 figure you quote doesn’t include those who have given up looking for work. The U6 figure does.
        https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm
        This graph shows U3 and U6
        Obama changed the figures which he used in 2012. This has been explained to you many times and I’m happy to keep helping you embarrass yourself when you continually show you are too thick to get it.
        So tell me. If you have stopped looking for work and don’t work, are you unemployed?
        (You should know this one eh?…)
        
        Edit- I suspect the rest of the group is rather bored with your stubborn idiocy and would rather not see long threads as it is continuously explained to you, so hopefully it will sink in now.
        I won’t hold my breath though, you are pretty dumb.
        
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        December 30, 2016 10:35am
      - cmm
        
        stephie:
        
        Yes, Obama inherited a whopping debt. $10T.
        
        He made it worse by doubling that in his time in office.
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All On Red , I stand by those BLS . Your spurious 9.3% is largely gleaned from Household surveys that include homecarers , students and children, retired who are not seeking work .
        
        Obama changed the data gathering methodolgy et used by BLS etc ? Source please ?
        
        Again is the BLS 2007 figure of 5% under GWB more likely to be 9 % ? If not , why Not ?
        
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        December 30, 2016 1:42pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘All On Red , I stand by those BLS . Your spurious 9.3% is largely gleaned from Household surveys that include homecarers , students and children, retired who are not seeking work’
        It’s not ‘spurious’. It’s data listed by the Bureau. Saying it includes retiree people etc is just lying. The definition is on the graph.
        Here:
        ‘U-6 Total unemployed, plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force, plus total employed part time for economic reasons, as a percent of the civilian labor force plus all persons marginally attached to the labor force’
        Face it. You, like many others are have been sucked by Obama being disengenous and believing the 4.6% figure.
        Fuck you are thick. Oh, and doing your usual trick of sneaking back later for a bullshit rebuttal doesn’t work. lol.
        Also, don’t know why you are going on about 2007 when we have been talking about 2016, unless it’s your usual trick of trying to change the subject with a moronic argument.
        
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        December 30, 2016 3:41pm
    - emmess
      
      Unlike the Sinai which it uncocnditionally(sic) withdrew from ?
      
      Hello, um no that was part of the peace agreement that came out of the 1978 Camp David Accords.
      
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      December 30, 2016 9:11am
      - stephieboy
        
        emmess, your being specious ! Thus Israel has not withdrawn from the Sinai for whatever reason ?
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:16am
      - holysheet
        
        Because the ragheads cannot get their shit together and make them leave.
        Oops they have tried but Israel kicked their arse more than once. Unlike you stupidboy, they have learnt not to try the same thing again.
        Just because you repeat shit here, doesn’t make it right.
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:24pm
    - pentwig
      
      another unintelligent comment from steffie
      
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      December 30, 2016 1:27pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Luckily we get no such thing from pentwig…
        
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        December 30, 2016 1:32pm
      - Gabby
        
        another merkin
        
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        December 30, 2016 2:31pm
- Fletch
  
  That hasn’t stopped Obama from passing sanctions on Russia for the hacking, and without any proof. I do not think the guy has any idea what he is doing.
  
  WASHINGTON — Responding to evidence that Russia hacked Democratic Party officials during this year’s presidential election, the Obama administration Thursday sanctioned Russian intelligence officials, expelled 35 Russian diplomats suspected of being spies, and shut down two Russian facilities in the United States.
  
  “These actions follow repeated private and public warnings that we have issued to the Russian government, and are a necessary and appropriate response to efforts to harm U.S. interests in violation of established international norms of behavior,” President Obama said in a statement, describing their efforts to interfere in the election as a threat to the democratic process.
  
  http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/12/29/barack-obama-russia-sanctions-vladimir-putin/95958472/
  
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  December 30, 2016 11:23am
  - Komata
    
    Re: ‘I do not think the guy has any idea what he is doing’.
    
    On the contrary, Mr. Obama know EXACTLY what he is doing, and it is all in the name of an ideology. Obama hates the Donald for representing all the things that Obama (and, inter alia, the left / socialists/marxists) loathes – success, popularity, freedom, capitalism etc. and he is doing his utmost to create a situation which will (a) make it as difficult for Trump as possible (b) undermine Trump’s popularity (c), force the ‘sheeple’ back into the Democrats arms. Given the Byzantine world that Obama inhabits, he is no doubt following instructions. Helun Clarke did something similar in NZ (remember Cullen’s walk-away comment) and by stirring-up the Russian bear is deliberately adding to the problems the incoming president will face. Noticeably, his actions are based only on hearsay, not cold hard facts. although since when have marxists been concerned with such minor details? Obama is both jealous and ineffective, but equally he is a street fighter (aka thug) and is acting accordingly and true to his nature.
    
    We are now finally seeing the ‘real’ Obama and regrettably, with only 21 or so days to go, this is probably only thye start.
    
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    December 30, 2016 2:20pm
Steve (North Shore)

Nothing to see here, move along.
http://americanmilitarynews.com/2016/12/isis-bomb-attack-thwarted-in-london-after-police-arrest-african-asylum-seeker/?utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=dvf
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December 30, 2016 8:26am
Happychappy

Doesn’t it tell you a lot about MSM when the air is sucked out them about Politics that they have to revert back to scum and pimp Dot Com and whether his Internet Party will make it to the 2017 Election.
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December 30, 2016 8:28am
- peterwn
  
  Not a problem with me – it will simply reduce the left wing vote.
  
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  December 30, 2016 8:46am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    For the record at least the Internet party did marginally better than ACT in the electoral and popular vote
    
    Oppotunity for the alt right beckons ?
    
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    December 30, 2016 8:57am
    - Manolo
      
      Were you one of those who deserted comrade Helen for the obese German crook?
      
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      December 30, 2016 9:26am
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo ,Neither and you ?
        
        0.96 % ACT or 3.7 % Colon Craig ?
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:52am
    - burt
      
      It’s sad there are more fruit loops wanting other people’s money than there are people who think taxes are for essential services rather than lifestyles.
      
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      December 30, 2016 9:26am
Nukuleka

By the by, and kind of irrelevant given the time that has past, just remember this any time someone talks about the legitimacy or otherwise of the Trump presidency. By scoring a decisive victory in the irrelevant popular vote and a decisive pummelling in the all-important electoral college vote Hillary Clinton and the Democratic machine showed themselves to be surely the greatest failures ever in a presidential election. They were in every sense the epitome of ineptitude.
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December 30, 2016 8:44am
- stephieboy
  
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  Nukuleka,
  
  Thus far Trump received 47.6 and Clinton 47 .3 % of the overall vote .
  
  Hardly a landslide for Trump and no way comparable to Reagan’s effort in 1984 !
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:03am
  - cmm
    
    The comparison with Reagan is not apples-to-apples.
    
    Reagan did not have the MSM going full batshit against him.
    
    In Reagan’s day illegal immigrants were illegal immigrants and they did not vote. (Reagan actually brought in many of the changes that allowed them to stay, giving Reagan a huge advantage in his home state of California). Since 1992 California has only ever voted Democrat.
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:29am
  - Scott
    
    Stephieboy – I would argue that it was a landslide for the following reasons –
    – everyone expected Trump to lose
    – the Democrats were supposed to have an unassailable advantage in the electoral college
    – the Obama coalition of Blacks and gays and Hispanics and women was supposed to guarantee the Democrat presidency in perpetuity
    – no one cared about white men any more, especially working class white men, they were irrelevant
    – Hillary was the best prepared and most well funded candidate in history according to media reports.
    
    Given all that Donald Trump winning the presidency was the most stunning victory probably ever in American history. And he won easily, gaining over 300 votes in the electoral college.
    
    It is a landslide in that the Republican party is now in its strongest position since 1922, holding the presidency, the Senate and the Congress and the majority of governors and at state level Republicans are dominant in many more states.
    
    In these first hundred days Trump is going to be able to get stuck in and do things that conservatives have been wanting to do for years.
    
    It is a landslide in that the Democrat party is utterly bewildered and still believes that its defeat is due to Russian hacking and the FBI under James Comay. And they think that the best way to win back the American electorate is to nominate a Muslim to lead the party. Long may they continue in their delusion.
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:32am
    - All_on_Red
      
      It’s a landslide because Obama has cost the Democrat Party 70 seats and over 910 legislative positions
      http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/jan/25/cokie-roberts/have-democrats-lost-900-seats-state-legislatures-o/
      
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      December 30, 2016 9:41am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , Scott etc ,
        
        This is what is termed a a landslide ,
        
        1984 Presidential Election
        1984 Election Results
        
        Candidate
        
        Party
        
        Electoral Votes
        
        Popular Votes
        
        Ronald Reagan (I)
        
        Republican
        
        525
        
        54,455,000
        
        Walter F. Mondale
        
        Democratic
        
        13
        
        37,577,000
        
        Reagan received 525 Electoral Votes and over 54 million popular votes. The Electoral Vote total is a record that stands to this day
        
        http://www.270towin.com/1984_Election/
        
        THICKOS !
        
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        December 30, 2016 10:00am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Losing that many Legislative positions(910) is the worst result for the Democrats since 1920
        There are also over 100 Judge positions due for appointment.
        Plu one definite SCOTUS position with the probability of more due to retirement.
        Some of you ‘thicko’s’ need to realise that controlling a Country is more than just seats in the House and Senate or by winning the popular vote
        Heh, heh, heh.
        
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        December 30, 2016 10:30am
      - Paulus
        
        It appears to me that Putin is deliberately stalking Obummer – he knows how to get up his nose and is doing it well.
        Obummer, and the other man, are behaving like overgrown bad mannered schoolboys.
        
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        December 30, 2016 11:20am
    - mikenmild
      
      You might want to check the definition of ‘landslide’.
      
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      December 30, 2016 9:52am
  - pentwig
    
    good grief steffie
    you lost
    we won
    get over it
    
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    December 30, 2016 1:30pm
    - Gabby
      
      poor merkin
      you’re not a yanker
      have a cry
      snoflake
      
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      December 30, 2016 2:26pm
- SPC
  
  Clinton: 65,844,954 (48.2%)
  Trump: 62,979,879 (46.1%)
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:51am
  - oldpark
    
    Seems the reported 3 million illegals in America, almost all of them in California,heard the emperor with no clothes Obama ,telling the illegals to vote for crooked Hillary,as there would be no penalties, if found out. The diference between Trump and crooked Hillary’s votes .came out of the state with the most illegals,California. What a “surprise,or was it an indictment of the clown Obama’s directive..
    
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    December 30, 2016 10:31am
    - SPC
      
      There are many more than 3 million illegals in the USA, but no evidence that even 1000 of them voted
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:34am
  - SPC
    
    4 negative reactions to factual information.
    
    Want a post truth world, a fact free blog?
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:06am
  - Nukuleka
    
    Totally irrelevant figures. The popular vote is OF NO CONSEQUENCE WHATSOEVER.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:27pm
Stars And Stripes

Hamilton group says it’s ended homelessness in the city
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/320557/hamilton-group-says-it's-ended-homelessness-in-the-city.
“A Hamilton group says it has ended homelessness in the city by finding homes for more than 800 individuals and families in the last two years.
Project head Julie Nelson said of the 80 rough sleepers in the city, all but two had been housed, and homes had been found for hundreds more who needed help”.

So we had these extravagant claims only a few weeks ago from a group who is trying to muscle in on the funding racket to help Auckland homeless then the following headline only a couple of days ago.

Police seek clues in death of Hamilton homeless man Tama Retimana
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11774414.

He must be one of those two they didn’t find a home for right?
Sounds like pure bullshit to me.
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December 30, 2016 8:59am
Scott

Nukuleka– Quite agree. Hillary won the popular vote by piling up votes in places like California and New York and Washington DC. Particularly in California she won by something like 1 million votes. But California was never a battleground state. California is now a Democrat state with huge numbers of illegal immigrants probably voting. The Republicans never contested California.

Whereas outside of California Trump did really well and the key was he won in battleground states like Wisconsin which Hillary did not bother to visit because she believed she had already won it.

The whole campaign of the Democrats was fatally flawed.

By the way the President of the United States is decided through the electoral college not the popular vote. The Democrats knew that but they stuffed it up big time.

As for myself I am looking forward to a Trump presidency. It’s going to be big-league!
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December 30, 2016 9:00am
- mikenmild
  
  “bigly”. Trump has the best adverbs.
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:04am
  - Scott
    
    Mikey – that is the subject of debate. The media have written whole articles about whether Trump is saying “bigly” or “big-league”??
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:35am
    - mikenmild
      
      Only a debate in the minds of the mindless. Apart from him clearly saying “bigly” many times, he also said it in contexts where “big league” makes no sense. Not that the made-up word “bigly” makes much sense, but we can see what he is trying to say.
      
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      December 30, 2016 9:54am
- All_on_Red
  
  Hillary won California by 4.3 million votes.
  This will help the Dems win even more bigly.
  ‘On the day that California officials implemented a controversial law that allows undocumented residents to obtain driver’s licenses, DMV offices throughout the state were packed with immigrants looking to take advantage of the opportunity.’
  ‘Two years after the implementation of AB 60 on Jan. 1, 2015, an estimated 806,000 undocumented residents have received driver’s licenses, according to Department of Motor Vehicles statistics this month. About 14,000 of these licenses were issued in November alone, the DMV said.’
  ‘Critics also point to another state “motor-voter” law, AB 1461, that starting in 2017 will automatically register most licensed California drivers to vote, arguing it could lead to election fraud if non-citizens barred from voting in federal elections become registered. State officials said there are safeguards in the system to prevent undocumented licensees from being registered to vote.’
  http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/12/28/dmv-licensed-800000-undocumented-immigrants-under-2-year-old-law/
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:17am
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Red as per above , 1984 Elections ,
    
    Electoral College
    
    Republican 525
    
    Democrat 13 .
    
    Reagan received 525 Electoral Votes and over 54 million popular votes. The Electoral Vote total is a record that stands to this day
    
    http://www.270towin.com/1984_Election/
    
    Did you know they call that a landslide ?
    
    DUH !
    
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    December 30, 2016 10:06am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Did they?
      Oh another one then. Landslides can happen more than once.
      Please note my post also included legislative positions and I made it to get the point across how badly Obama has damaged the Democrat Party.
      Terrible President.
      
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      December 30, 2016 10:19am
      - Manolo
        
        And given his stubborness and desire to stick around, the Messiah could inflict more pain on his party, splitting it.
        
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        December 30, 2016 10:22am
- MCos
  
  “California is now a Democrat state with huge numbers of illegal immigrants probably voting. The Republicans never contested California.”
  
  “probably” is a very big word
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:56am
Manolo

The limits of arrogance:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/12/29/im-frustrated-democrat-im-not-sure-obama-could-have-beaten-trump-heres-why.html

Simply put, the 2016 election came down to an electorate desiring change. Clinton’s promise of four more years didn’t fit the bill. Americans chose a TV entertainer instead.

Still, it’s impossible to know whether another Obama ticket could have changed hearts and minds. And frankly, I don’t care. As a frustrated Democrat, I’m more interested in asking whether we would have wanted him to run again in the first place.
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December 30, 2016 9:27am
Manolo

Obama is very tough, isn’t he?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14I1TY

President Barack Obama on Thursday ordered the expulsion of 35 Russian diplomats and sanctioned Russian intelligence officials who Washington believes were involved in hacking U.S. political groups in the 2016 presidential election.

The measures, taken during the last days of Obama’s presidency, mark a new low in U.S.-Russian relations which have deteriorated over serious differences on Ukraine and Syria.
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December 30, 2016 9:35am
- RF
  
  The Kenyan is a spiteful prick intent on making life difficult for Trump.
  
  He is so desperate to leave a legacy and I suspect he will make even worse decisions before Trump takes over.
  
  If hes not careful Russia will bite him in the arse.
  
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  December 30, 2016 10:48am
  - SPC
    
    Well given Trump was only an American because his grandfather was refused a return to Germany, he is much a German as Obama is a Kenyan (and note this is in doubt, Obama’s mother was single and pregnant and the Kenyan would have been deported if he did not marry an American).
    
    Why fear Russia? A falling population nation dependent on oil and gas prices and military threat for its standing. A bit like the UK sans empire in the Suez era.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:17am
    - Paulus
      
      Trump has class – his mother was from the Scottish Isles – Lewis.
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:23am
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Why fear Russia? A falling population nation dependent on oil and gas prices and military threat for its standing.
      
      A falling population nation nuclear weapons that is currently engaged in an arms race in Kaliningrad with the surrounding and nearby nations who are getting very, very nervous.
      
      It’s all very well to say Russia is not to be feared from the safety of NZ.
      
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      December 30, 2016 2:48pm
      - SPC
        
        Why should the USA fear Russia?
        
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        December 30, 2016 3:59pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘Why should the USA fear Russia?’
        Exactly. Not sure why Europe should fear Russia either. The U.K., Germany, Turkey, and most of the EU countries purchased roughly 200 billion cu metres of Gas this year and are forecast to buy more over this winter. Russia needs that cash. Although I did see some figures awhile ago showing Russia only gets 20% of its Govt Tax a Revenue from oil and gas which seems lower than the 50% often quoted.
        I think the Ukraine has been cut off though…
        Russia does seem to be painted as the big bogeyman at the moment.
        Sure Putin is a murdering tyrant but he’s not going to invade Europe etc etc.
        
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        December 30, 2016 4:32pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        SPC,
        
        It’s all very well to ask why the USA should fear Russia without putting some work in yourself on the question.
        
        Ponder this: If the USA should not fear Russia as you imply, why has the US has been so timid in challenging Russia’s aggressive moves in Ukraine and Syria over the last couple of years? Even the current nuclear arming of Kaliningrad, which will directly impact NATO in the Baltics next year when the nukes are fully operational, has caused barely a stir. You’d think the only world superpower would be able to prevent such a change in status quo … Maybe when Trump realises what is going on he’ll authorise a strike on the nuclear facilities in Kaliningrad, just to show the Russians who’s boss. After all, he shouldn’t be afraid of how they might retaliate, right?
        
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        December 30, 2016 4:59pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  The Messiah is doing exactly what Helen Clark and Michael Cullen did. Losers being arseholes
  
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  December 30, 2016 4:41pm
Scott

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11774448

Bruce Logan gives a good summary of the Israel settlement issue in today’s New Zealand Herald.

“Every concession Israel has made has produced a dramatic rise in Palestinian terrorism; not a decrease. Most Arab nations and the Palestinians are resolutely unwilling to acknowledge Jewish ties to Jerusalem or any right to any part of Israel.

In the world of real politics there never has been a two-state solution. The terrorists in Gaza and the West Bank want one Islamic state. So too does Isis. The “two-state solution” is a dangerous fantasy that allows for continuing funding of terrorists in the hope that the will of the Israelis will be worn down.”

Yep
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December 30, 2016 9:51am
- mikenmild
  
  The two-state solution is what has been consistently advocated since the UN agreed the 1947 partition. It remains Israel’s official policy, too, even as it works to undermine it with continued illegal settlements.
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:56am
- SPC
  
  So many Christians preaching to the Jews to steal the land of their neighbours.
  
  So that they can
  
  1. witness their truth that God gave this land to Jews and heavan to Christians.
  2. provoke the Moslems to try and kill the Jews and call the Moslems enemies of God because their lack of love for those taking land off other Arabs.
  3. call this war proof of end time revelation and tell the rest of us to believe before rapture of the saved.
  
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  December 30, 2016 10:07am
  - Scott
    
    Once again – the ownership of the land is “disputed”. That’s the issue.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:08am
    - SPC
      
      Who by, the nation formed by acceptance of the 1947 partition plan?
      
      Can’t be trusted to abide by a deal?
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:19am
      - Scott
        
        No – the Israelis have tried to have a deal with the “Palestinians” on a number of occasions. They were quite ready to accept a 2 state solution in 1947. It was the Arabs that walked away and declared war on Israel. It has always been the Arabs that will not accept the existence of a nation state called Israel. That’s the problem.
        
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        December 30, 2016 11:27am
- Huevon
  
  Whatever the merits, NZ has no dog in this fight. We should stay out of it. We don’t need an international incident just so that fool McCully can puff out his chest at the UN and a bunch of libtard MFAT officials can believe they have more important jobs that representing the modest interests of a small trading post and dairy farm at the bottom of the Pacific. Why the fuck is NZ even on the bloody Security Council?
  
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  December 30, 2016 10:24am
  - mikenmild
    
    NZ is on the Security Council because it is one of many countries that supports an international rule of law, believing it to be of great benefit to a small trading nation.
    
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    December 30, 2016 10:46am
    - Jack5
      
      Milky’s comment at 10.46:
      
      NZ is on the Security Council because it is one of many countries that supports an international rule of law.
      
      Yeah? More like NZ’s politicians and diplomats like a time sitting round the top table with the world’s big players. And the bid for the Security Council seat cost NZ many millions of dollars.
      
      There’s nothing for NZ in a Security Council seat accept ego nutrient for our politicians and diplomats.
      
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      December 30, 2016 2:20pm
      - mikenmild
        
        You would be happy for other countries to take their turn instead?
        Seems to me that a rotating seat on the SC is good news for the (many) nations that seek a turn.
        
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        December 30, 2016 2:28pm
  - Scott
    
    Totally agree Heuvon. The US media is aghast at why are we involved? Why upset Israel, why upset United States supporters of Israel, why go against the next president of the United States a matter of days before he assumes office?
    
    What vital New Zealand interest was at stake? As a nation we need to pick our battles. Surely this was not one of them.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:10am
    - SPC
      
      When has US media opinion been fashionable on this blog?
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:22am
      - Jack5
        
        When has US media opinion not been of interest on this blog, SPC? NZ is part of the Western world. The centre of the Western world is Washington.
        
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        December 30, 2016 2:21pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Just funny that Scott should suddenly find US media opinion so relevant.
        
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        December 30, 2016 2:29pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Yeah, crazy isn’t it.
  Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel sice King David’s time – about 1100 B.C.
  
  Stupid muzzies say it’s theirs – they didn’t take it over till around 1300 A.D, and only then as a prize for victory in war.
  Israel has done the same thing, and now has ownership of Jerusalem under the same terms that the Muslims took it.
  
  Suck it up – Jerusalem is now Israeli property.
  
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  December 30, 2016 10:57am
  - SPC
    
    Israel offered East Jerusalem in the 2000 peace talks.
    
    It’s annexation of this area is recognised by no one.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:24am
    - SPC
      
      Israel celebrated 3000 years at Jeruslaem in 1996.
      
      Arab Moslems first came in 630CE.
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:28am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        And were driven out during the Crusades.
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:15pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Briefly driven out during the Crusades, for less than a century, for whatever that’s worth.
        And only Jewish since King David, eh? What about the poor ol’ Canaanites?
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:33pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Didn’t Pope Urban II say “God wills it” when the demand was made to recapture Jerusalem for the Christians. Not like you to disobey a Papal decree, Don. Congratulations, you’ve taken your first step on the road to becoming…a Protestant ?
    
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    December 30, 2016 3:02pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Good effort Kimbo – wishful thinking? 😉
      
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      December 30, 2016 5:52pm
EAD

Today, December 30th we remembered the 151st birthday of the world’s greatest ever poet – Rudyard Kipling.

Here are a collection of his poems:

http://www.counter-currents.com/2015/12/remembering-rudyard-kipling-3/

The Stranger below serves well as a timely antidote to the multikult, “all people are equal” madness that currently pervades today’s PC narrative.

The Stranger

The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk–
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wonted to.
They are used to the lies I tell,
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy and sell.

The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.

This was my father’s belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf–
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children’s teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine

It is an absolute tradgedy that Kipling’s poetry was deemed “offensive” to the Social Justice Warriors who began tightening their grip on the cultural and informational media of the English-speaking world in the 1960s—obnoxious and dangerous. Actually, the whole spirit of Kipling’s writing was dangerous to them, totally at odds with the new spirit they were promoting so assiduously, but they could not simply ban all further publication of his works. We wouldn’t be witnessing the slow motion tragedies that are unfolding across Europe

What they did instead was take measures to have dropped from new editions of his collected writings those of his poems and stories which expressed most explicitly the spirit and the ideas they feared: the spirit and the ideas of proud, free White men. Today every school child still reads a bit of Kipling’s poetry: such things as “Mandalay” and “FuzzyWuzzy” and “Gunga Din,” which superficially seem safely in tune with an age of multiculturalism and “affirmative action” and White guilt.

“The most effective way to destroy people is to deny and obliterate their own understanding of their history.” – George Orwell
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December 30, 2016 9:52am
- mikenmild
  
  What a dick. How did you decide Kipling was the world’s ‘greatest’? Did he win a competition against Shakespeare, Pushkin, Neruda, Angelou, Frost, Keats, Browning and Blake?
  
  “Do you like Kipling?
  “I don’t know, I’ve never kippled.”
  
  “Have you news of my boy Jack? ”
  Not this tide.
  “When d’you think that he’ll come back?”
  Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.
  “Has any one else had word of him?”
  Not this tide.
  For what is sunk will hardly swim,
  Not with this wind blowing, and this tide.
  
  “Oh, dear, what comfort can I find?”
  None this tide,
  Nor any tide,
  Except he did not shame his kind—
  Not even with that wind blowing, and that tide.
  
  Then hold your head up all the more,
  This tide,
  And every tide;
  Because he was the son you bore,
  And gave to that wind blowing and that tide.
  
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  December 30, 2016 10:01am
  - EAD
    
    What a dick. How did you decide Kipling was the world’s ‘greatest’? Did he win a competition against Shakespeare, Pushkin, Neruda, Angelou, Frost, Keats, Browning and Blake?
    
    What a dick – you had to slip Neruda and bl**dy Maya Angelou in amongst those titans of the spoken word.
    
    Nice slight of hand but your cuckoldry didn’t get past my eagle eyes 🙂
    
    I know that the venom you direct against Kipling is mainly because he writes against everything you stand for – i.e. the Whites Man Burden:
    
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_White_Man%27s_Burden
    
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    December 30, 2016 10:09am
    - mikenmild
      
      I have nothing against Kipling. Unlike you, I appreciate writing for its literary merit rather than its political orientation.
      
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      December 30, 2016 10:38am
    - Gabby
      
      That’s cos you’re a great cuck soccer.
      
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      December 30, 2016 2:18pm
- RichardX
  
  At least your Orwell quote is verifiable
  Why didn’t you attribute your “passive and obedient” quote in the Spiked thread to Chomsky?
  You attribute all your other quotes
  Was it lack of knowledge or lack of honesty?
  It can’t be because you weren’t confident of the source. Your previous Voltaire, Rothschild and Aristotle quotes are all from far more dubious sources
  I find quotes an interesting form of the arugement from authority
  
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  December 30, 2016 11:12am
EAD

If DPF reads General Debate, would be fascinating if you could post something like this tomorrow with 2016’s equivalent:

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2014/12/kiwiblogs_2014_according_to_wordpress.html

– Viewed 8,616,328 times
– Top day was September 16 (day after Moment of Truth) with – – 54,131 views
– 3,208 posts
– 197,311 comments
– Most viewed post was It’s Time To Get Angry
– Twitter was the top referring site
– Viewers came from 222 countries
– Most commented on post was Who Killed the Crewes with 1,144 comments
– Most frequenter commenters were ShawnLH 6,721; Johnboy 4,919, mikenmild 4,814, Kea 4,139 and Redbaiter 4,136

Would be interesting to see 2016 Stats. Of 2014 posters, I believe Milkmaid is the only one still active…..

I’ve been on the blog for a little over 3 years and still haven’t reached MM’s 2014 tally
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December 30, 2016 10:00am
- mikenmild
  
  Wish you would post mkoe, EAD. Always good for a laugh.
  
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  December 30, 2016 10:47am
- Lucia Maria
  
  I’m still active and I’ve been here for over 10 years.
  
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  December 30, 2016 11:11am
Scorpion

Well I am Just Telling you

You are now at War with Israel

http://www.smh.com.au/world/israel-warned-new-zealand-that-un-resolution-was-declaration-of-war-report-20161227-gtiogk.html
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December 30, 2016 10:12am
- Pateke
  
  Should I now crap my pants?
  Im a big Israel supporter, having been around when it went it alone. But they do like to stick it up people and turn very septic when crossed.
  No. Ill keep these undies on for the rest of the day. Only so many little sabres can be rattled at NZ across the other side of the world. Maybe the people to suffer will be Wicked Campers if no Israelis can come here. Too sad.
  
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  December 30, 2016 1:35pm
  - mikenmild
    
    No Israeli tourists? Where will I buy my art?
    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/6580254/Israeli-art-scammers-told-to-quit-country
    
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    December 30, 2016 2:31pm
Manolo

Australia takes a stance:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/88027063/australia-backs-israel-rather-than-the-us-over-un-resolution

Australia has broken ranks with the United States and New Zealand over Israel, indicating that it would most likely have opposed the UN Security Council resolution condemning its settlements on Palestinian land.
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December 30, 2016 10:17am
- SPC
  
  Guess why they do not voted onto the UNSC very often.
  
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  December 30, 2016 11:04am
  - emmess
    
    Not sucking up to terrorists and dictators is a badge of honour.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:38am
- Gabby
  
  They’re hoping to move the surviving refugees there.
  
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  December 30, 2016 2:16pm
- MCos
  
  Breaking ranks with NZ on this issue is neither here nor there for either of us.
  Aligning with the next American administration is probably more to the point.
  
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  December 30, 2016 2:29pm
Stars And Stripes

Since Israel and the UN resolution seems to still be a hot topic I might as well throw in my 2 cents worth.
The time I have spent in cosmopolitan parts of Israel have been fabulous and as enjoyable as anywhere else on this planet but I have also been extensively through the “territories” and have seen the ugly side of this country.
People harp on about Israel being the only democratic free country in the Middle East and while true it is all a matter of judgement and opinion.
While in the territories myself and wife were on the receiving end of the following:
1.Spat at more then once
2.Verbally abused and threatened with violence
3.Had rocks thrown at us

Why?????
Simply because we were not religious settler Jews and we were in their neighbourhood and were not welcome.
These people are the scum of the earth in my experience and I have not one good thing to say about any of them or their supporters and when I say supporters I mean some of the top political figures in past and current governments who champion this filth.
Even when you talk to many secular Israelis about these people they can’t stand them either as most are on government welfare and do stuff all for society on the whole.
So if people think the Palestinians are the only shitty hateful people in this area you need to think again as these cretins are as bad as anyone anywhere.
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December 30, 2016 10:52am
- SPC
  
  Just as bad in Jerusalem, where other Jews are being driven out.
  
  The ultra Orthodox have their own bitter internal divisions, but they are united against the Orthodox – thus reports such as them spitting on the children of Orthodox families on their way to school , to drive them out of the area so they can take over the housing.
  
  Guess where this leaves the secular Jews, living in another city.
  
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  December 30, 2016 11:44am
flipper

I stole this from Bill O’Reilly (just published) ………….

Sweet ’16, Sour ’16
The year’s big winners, of course, aside from the Chicago Cubs, were Donald Trump, his campaign gurus, and the Americans who put their confidence in this billionaire tycoon.
Remember ‘annus horribilis?’ Queen Elizabeth used that Latin term to describe 1992, a ‘horrible year’ for the British monarchy. Right now some people are looking back on 2016 as a lousy year, but for others it was actually an ‘annus mirabilis,’ a year of miracles.

To steal from another Brit named Dickens, it was the best of years; it was the worst of years.

Among the biggest losers were pollsters, who blew it big time on the world’s two most significant votes. First, they were dead wrong about the United Kingdom’s decision to withdraw from the European Union. The polling wizards, like the elite British establishment, assured everyone the unwashed and ignorant masses would be trounced in the Brexit vote. Bloody wrong, they were.

A few months later, American polling gurus, unchastened by the British revolution, were just as certain that Donald Trump would go down in flames, taking the Republican Party along for the fiery ride. Again, their sophisticated computer models badly misjudged the mood of the American people.

But a few observers were prescient, discerning that Donald Trump was tapping into a widespread sense of anger and despair.

Continue reading on BillOReilly.com
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December 30, 2016 10:58am
Lucia Maria

Yesterday, EAD said something to the effect that he couldn’t believe that such civilised people as the Germans could possibly have killed civilians enmasse as they are known to have done so during WWII, citing the Holocaust as impossible because of the good character of the Germans he knows. Most likely because more than half the people killed in the Holocaust were Jews, EAD has a massive blind spot, as after all, he blames Jews for Communism.

I think, EAD you really need to gain a wider perspective with regards to German atrocities during WWII. The German occupation of Poland abounds with examples of atrocities, so many that if I posted a story every day of my life, I would still have more than enough to choose from.

So, here is one from the 1944 Warsaw Uprising towards the end of the war. Read it and tell me if you think this is the sort of thing that proves that Germans could never have gassed the Jews:

“We blew up the doors, I think of a school. Children were standing in the hall and on the stairs. Lots of children. All with their small hands up. We looked at them for a few moments until Dirlewanger ran in. He ordered to kill them all. They shot them and then they were walking over their bodies and breaking their little heads with butt ends. Blood streamed down the stairs. There is a memorial plaque in that place stating that 350 children were killed. I think there were many more, maybe 500.”

Witness testimony of Mathias Schenk, an 18-year old Belgian served as Sturmpionier (assault engineer) in Wehrmacht during the suppression of the Warsaw Uprising in 1944. Members of his unit were assigned to various SS-Sturmbrigade Dirlewanger platoons as demolition engineers.
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December 30, 2016 11:09am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I think the argument is about the exaggerated actions of the Nazis – in the sense of numbers killed and also in the sense of the saturation level coverage/obsession in Western pop culture such as the Progressive agitprop coming out of Hollywood.
  
  In contrast there is a deafening silence about Communism and its exterminatio n of 10s OF MILLIONS. Worse, Leftists openly praise Communism, openly associate themselves with its ideas and leaders with ZERO fear of having their jobs, careers or personal lives destroyed.
  
  And yet Communists have A LOT more blood on their hands, their cruelty and fanaticism arguably is WORSE than the Nazis.
  
  After all the Nazis got their big idea for concentration camps off the Communists gulags.
  
  Communism had been in operation for at least a decade before the Nazis began their rise. It is obvious they saw what the Communist Jewish mass murders were doing in Russia – exterminating entire social strata ie “Class enemies” and this compelled them towards the Final Solution for the Jewish Problem.
  
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  December 30, 2016 11:29am
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Jazz,
    
    That might be your argument, but it doesn’t seem to be EAD’s. He does get people running interference for him half the time, so it’s difficult to pin him down on what he really believes and why.
    
    Just to be clear, I believe both the Nazis and the Soviets were inhuman monsters, and yes, the Soviets had many more years of killing than the Nazis managed. But that should not detract from the crimes of the Nazis, which when looked at from the perspective of occupied countries from Poland eastwards are not exaggerated at all – in fact, they are downplayed.
    
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    December 30, 2016 11:39am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      There is no game play coordination between EAD and me.
      
      “But that should not detract from the crimes of the Nazis”
      
      I’m just trying to restore balance, to a heavily skewed subject in favour of Progressives.
      
      “the perspective of occupied countries from Poland eastwards are not exaggerated at all – in fact, they are downplayed.”
      
      Down played by who?
      
      I’m still researching the subject ( Communist atrocities) and it is very difficult because there is not a lot of quality material around – for several reasons. But I have found some gems recently.
      
      For example – Nazis targeted an ethnic group – this is called “genocide”.
      
      But the Communists liquidated entire social strata defined as “class enemies” – should this be called “politicide”?
      
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      December 30, 2016 11:58am
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Jazz,
        
        I know who you are and how you argue, so I’m not going to continue with a conversation that will not lead to any place good.
        
        I’ve flung down my gauntlet to EAD and will wait to see how he responds.
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:15pm
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Lucia:
        “I’ve flung down my gauntlet to EAD and will wait to see how he responds.”
        
        To kill time while you wait, perhaps you could express your disgust of and resistance against the racist misogynist homophobic Trump by breaking open a packet of crayons and colouring in Progressive pictures of men sodomisng each other in orgies?
        
        Huff Po calls it “playful yet poignant”. Awwww how cute!
        
        http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/this-is-the-most-nsfw-coloring-book-weve-ever-seen-and-its-brilliant_us_5697df5fe4b0b4eb759d876f
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:38pm
      - EAD
        
        I’ve flung down my gauntlet to EAD and will wait to see how he responds
        
        Errrrrrrrr Lucia, just what part of my reading of history do you want me to repeat? Surely I’ve explained myself clearly enough on here many times over? Do you think there is something that Lucia Maria from Conservative.net.nz has to share that I’ve missed that is going to change my long and deeply held views? 🙂
        
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        December 30, 2016 4:37pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        EAD,
        
        I thought I was pretty clear, but then given your “deeply held views”, I can see how you’d have trouble comprehending me.
        
        But no matter, I can keep posting stories of German atrocities during WWII just from occupied Poland, and not involving Jews for a long, long time.
        
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        December 30, 2016 6:42pm
  - SPC
    
    Yeah we understand the line made by and to other righties in the West – that commies were the really bad guys and would it not have been better if the West had supported Nazis against the leftists.
    
    There were Americans financing the German economic recovery and rearmament for this reason (think the Bushes). But the West found German conquest of democracies such as Czechoslovakia and Poland too hard to swallow as a means to this end.
    
    It is an irony that one proponent for rehabilitating the Nazis as heroes of white race nationalism happens to be the current Kremlin, just as they propose lebensraum for the Russians and Russian borders wherever ethnic Russians live. In this they hope to incite division within the West and diminish the will and capability to stand up to Russian adventurism. Quite Goebbels like really.
    
    Thus the local racists as useful agents to serve Kremlin agendas of some sort of race nationalism alliance against liberalism and the international regime/collective security of nations bordering Russia.
    
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    December 30, 2016 12:35pm
    - SPC
      
      One wonders if a certain Zionist hoped (since the Trump victory at least) to use this white race nationalism era populism against the liberal international regime to promote annexation of territory on the West Bank (while the Arab world is riven with Sunni-Shia division and is in no position to proffer any military threat) – thus no wonder his fury at the recent UNSC vote.
      
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      December 30, 2016 12:40pm
      - SPC
        
        Running the meme that the West can have a win against Moslems by letting Jews steal some land
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:46pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      “In this they hope to incite division within the West.”
      
      It is Progressives/Cultural Marxists who are inciting division in the West via “Identity Politics”. I haven’t met a Progressive/Leftist who hasn’t demonstrated an enthusiasm for “smashing” Western Civilisation from one angle or another.
      
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      December 30, 2016 12:45pm
      - SPC
        
        Talking points.
        
        West. White. Race. Nation. Identity. Right.
        Cultural Marxists. Them. Liberals. Immigrants. Left. Identity politics (resistance to white race party politics).
        
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        December 30, 2016 12:53pm
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        SPC –
        “Talking points.
        
        West. White. Race. Nation. Identity. Right.
        Cultural Marxists. Them. Liberals. Immigrants. Left. Identity politics (resistance to white race party politics)”
        
        Progressive shrieking points:
        
        Rayciss! Fashists! #KillAllWhiteMen. Butt sex. #FatPride. #HealthyAtAnySize. AIDS. Mansplaining. More butt sex.
        
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        December 30, 2016 1:18pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      LOL
      
      “Today’s Obama “hacking report” has a disclaimer. It also doesn’t mention @WikiLeaks anywhere.”
      
      https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/814592182007042048
      
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      December 30, 2016 12:51pm
  - Jack5
    
    Jazz Hands Mc Feels posted at 11.29, including this:
    
    After all the Nazis got their big idea for concentration camps off the Communists gulags.
    
    There have been prison camps for many centuries.
    
    However, the term “concentration camp” arises from colonial Cuba. In 1896, Spain’s governor of Cuba, General Valeriano Weyler y Nicolau, set up the first “campos de concentracion” as part of his strategy to suppress the Cuban uprising. He had as many as 400,000 Cubans secured in these camps.
    
    The British (including the NZ Rough Riders – mounted infantry – who considered themselves British in those days) followed with concentration camps for Boers and their families.
    
    The Bolsheviks followed from 1918, but the Nazis at least equalled them with their vast death camps in which millions of Jews, Soviet POWs, Western resistance fighters, Gypsies, and even captured members of the British special services, died.
    
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    December 30, 2016 2:30pm
Jazz-Hands Mc Feels

Another fine example of Progressive degeneracy, from none other than the illustrious Huff Po – this homosexual pervert has published a colouring in book with pictures of men inserting their dicks into each others butt holes and mouths in origies.

Apparently it is suppose to help sexual degenerates suffering depression because they are incapable of sustaining stable long term monogamous relationships.

Huff Po calls this “Powerful and compelling”.

Makes you think – was EVERYTHING the Nazis did wrong?

“Much of the impact of LAST NIGHT I DREAMT THAT SOMEBODY LOVED ME comes from its playful yet poignant juxtaposition of male-bodied individuals engaging in group sex with the lyrics from classic and beautiful heartbreak songs by singer-songwriters like Tori Amos, Annie Lennox and Prince.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/this-is-the-most-nsfw-coloring-book-weve-ever-seen-and-its-brilliant_us_5697df5fe4b0b4eb759d876f
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December 30, 2016 11:43am
- Gabby
  
  You’ll go blind looking at that stuff jizzy mitts.
  
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  December 30, 2016 2:10pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    You’re going in the oven too, sexual degenerate.
    
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    December 30, 2016 2:45pm
Scorpion

Israel has Plenty of Nukes and the Samson Option

Start Building Bunkers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
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December 30, 2016 12:00pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Quick, build yours. Deep!!
  
  No internet though so you cant be tracked…. Airtight too, no radiation…
  
  and then…
  
  Stay there for fifty years so we all miss your fucking bullshit
  
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  December 30, 2016 5:57pm
  - Scorpion
    
    I have multiple secure locations around the globe.
    
    Are you stuck in Nuclear Free Aotearoa
    waiting for the Communist Chinese to take over
    
    Get EAD to guard your Water Supply
    
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    December 31, 2016 1:19am
Reid

A Khazar responds to our impudent daring to hold Israel to international law.

“New Zealand’s Settler Problem“. The problem with this kind of hasbara argument, completely invisible to the Khazar supremacists who make it, is that it accepts the premise of the immorality of settler colonialism. The New Zealand settler problem can’t be undone at this point, but the Israeli settler problem, utterly illegal under laws in place today, can be. Khazars keep making this fundamental rhetorical mistake because they assume that the laws of the goyim animals don’t apply to them.

…Because Israel prides itself as being a light unto the nations, it is not too late for Jerusalem to help correct a historical injustice, and to help its friends in Wellington heal. Israeli Jews know all about struggling to maintain connections to a historical homeland in the face of international indifference and regional hostilities, and the long, hard slog that it takes to form a truly effective national liberation movement that is capable of attaining national self-awareness and gaining international support for its own political autonomy.

The suffering of the Maori at the hands of European colonialists is not a joke. As a Zionist, it is hard to escape the sense that Jews have long—and mistakenly—downgraded our association with other indigenous national groups like the Maori in New Zealand, Tibetans in China, Catalans in Spain, Scots in Great Britain, the Native Peoples of Canada, Georgians and Ukrainians held captive by Russia, and many others, in favor of what we imagined was our seat at the grown-up table. In doing so, the State of Israel may have bowed to diplomatic necessity, but it has also diminished the strength of our historical and legal claim to our national homeland, guaranteed to us by the San Remo Conference, the Treaty of Sevres, and a League of Nations Mandate, but is now under sustained attack at the UN. Indigenous peoples whose histories and attachments to their own land are not unlike our own might well benefit from the technology, organizational capacity and experience of the Jewish State, which may serve as a model for their own future moments of national liberation. As the ultimate indigenous survivors, Israelis should be proud to celebrate our aboriginal rights in our national homeland, and help others to do the same.

Given the brute ugliness of its colonial past, New Zealand seems like an excellent place for the diplomats in Israel’s Foreign Ministry to try out a new model that puts solidarity with other indigenous peoples on an equal footing with traditional government-to-government relations. Israel might start by sending some of the money it cut from the aid budget to Senegal—which joined New Zealand in sponsoring the anti-Israel vote at the UN—to help the impoverished Maoris build the capacity to organize themselves politically against centuries of dispossession. In doing so, Israeli legal experts and others will hopefully help the Maori to erect a framework for negotiations that addresses the continuing European occupation of 4 million acres of Maori land that was seized by force in 1863, in defiance of legal treaty obligations. Israel might also do well to receive a Maori ambassador alongside the ambassador from Wellington, to represent Maori interests to Jerusalem…
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December 30, 2016 12:08pm
- SPC
  
  The best example is Americans settling territory beyond their borders – in Texas and California before taking the land by force in a war with Mexico.
  
  But nations that do that sort of thing stick together.
  
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  December 30, 2016 12:59pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    And look at the difference!
    
    Whitey land is wealthy 1st World and enjoys the rule of law, except the neighbourhoods the invader spics and negroes occupy.
    
    Meanwhile in Mexico, nearly everyone lives on $2 a dollar and risks being tortured with a chainsaw by drug gangs.
    
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    December 30, 2016 1:07pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Jazz Hands , just a reminder the Third Reich came to an ignominuous end with Hitler suffering catastrophic defeat by the Allies .
      
      This is a good film I can recommend that traces those shattering final few days with Hitler going berserk sending off non existent German divisions to do battle with the rapidly advancing Red Army,
      
      DOWNFALL !
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bp1RXmM1-60
      
      The flower of Western white civilisation to behold !
      
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      December 30, 2016 1:21pm
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        Communist “Progress” and “Social Justice” – exterminating 10s of millions.
        
        The flower of Leftist ideology to behold!
        
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        December 30, 2016 1:44pm
      - Manolo
        
        I thought “Double Downfall” was the title of the blockbuster film starring Hillary Clinton.
        
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        December 30, 2016 2:13pm
      - Jack5
        
        Stephie X’s post at 1.21 included:
        
        the Third Reich came to an ignominuous end with Hitler suffering catastrophic defeat by the Allies…
        
        Yep, Stephie, not even his mate, the (Muslim) Mufti of Jerusalem, nor the Bosnian Muslims’ SS unit, nor the Muslims captured in Russia and “turned” could save old Adolph.
        
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        December 30, 2016 2:37pm
      - Scorpion
        
        None of this started with A Hitler did it?
        
        Many of the Russians and American were White?
        
        One of My jewish Friends once said Hitler lost
        because he persecuted the jews and Einstein
        developed the A Bomb if he hadn’t he would
        have won and you would have been nuked.
        
        And Aint that just the Truth
        
        Must be the Russian turn this time
        
        He is the new “Hitler” FFS
        
        You stick out a mile on this forum
        did you attend Avondale High??
        
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        December 31, 2016 1:15am
  - Reid
    
    See if Putin wanted to do to the US what the US is doing to Russia over Ukraine, he’d simply order Russia to recognise the Independent Kingdom of Hawaii and let them setup an embassy in Moscow.
    
    But the point is you can’t undo time and this is precisely why Israel is pursuing the settlements, to put facts “on the ground.”
    
    As the intro to the quotes said, Khazars have trouble recognising when this argument applies and when it doesn’t because they don’t think the law that applies to the goyim animals applies to them, ever.
    
    So the point is, what happened in our colonial past was simply the way things were done in those times. It was the accepted practice, worldwide, from every power of those times that engaged in colonisation. And luckily we, unlike Australia, have a process for dealing with the fallout in which we, unlike Australia, have been engaging in good faith with for three decades now.
    
    What Khazars like this guy doesn’t get is that you can’t lift what happened then into the here and now and expect things to be the same, because they aren’t. But he can’t see that, can he.
    
    And what, BTW, do you think of his suggestion that they engage in undermining our national unity?
    
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    December 30, 2016 1:26pm
    - SPC
      
      As someone who communicated with Ehud Barak back in 2000 – that the way forward from the failed talks was to improve relations with Israeli Arabs and give them a better place within their society and governance. If the Zionist state did that then Arab nations would have a positive example and gain some respect for the state and peace would be more likely.
      
      I say bring it on, I welcome a comparison of the treatment of the Arab in Israel and the Maori in New Zealand. Let there be light.
      
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      December 30, 2016 1:42pm
      - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
        
        There is very little light in non white countries if by light you mean democracy, human rights etc.
        
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        December 30, 2016 1:46pm
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  I’m all for relocating the natives to their own ethno state – contiguous border and port city Tauranga as the capital.
  
  They get to run their own state how they want – and looking at all the non white countries around the world – it won’t be pretty.
  
  And we don’t have to deal with them anymore.
  
  Everyone wins!
  
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  December 30, 2016 1:00pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Nup, won’t work in Tauranga.
    
    Too many rest homes here, and running a port means ‘work’.
    
    Seriously, there is very little Maori/Pakeha issue here – many of the local iwi have their own land and are quite content the way things are. At least, that’s my experience, and my wife belongs to a local iwi – even if she isn’t interested in it.
    
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    December 30, 2016 1:16pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      “running a port means ‘work’.”
      
      Point is, that would be their problem, they can sink or swim, we will have washed our hands of them.
      
      I don’t get your rest homes point. There will be some needed population relocation.
      
      “Seriously, there is very little Maori/Pakeha issue here”
      
      Even if true, whites are getting seriously screwed over by the activists and their political allies. My solution would put an end to it.
      
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      December 30, 2016 1:37pm
- SPC
  
  The Maori should accept all money but insist that the arrangement includes Aborigine and the American Indian. See how that goes down in Canberra and DC.
  
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  December 30, 2016 1:08pm
  - Gabby
    
    Unfortunately, Maori would be quite likely to insist it applies to Palestinians. That would go down well.
    
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    December 30, 2016 2:06pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , just for the record there were four recognised group of Jews during their disprora , ( post 136 AD ) consisting of Ashkenazi ( East European ), and Sephardi, and Mizrahi both Western European and North Africa . These Jewish populations show a predominant amount of genetic shared Middle Eastern ancestry with semitic peoples like the Syrians and Palestinians ,
  
  http://medicalxpress.com/news/2010-06-dna-geographical-jews.html
  
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  December 30, 2016 1:17pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    I think you mean ‘diaspora’ stephie. 😉
    
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    December 30, 2016 1:19pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Don the Kiwi , than your for the correction . Whether we are for against the West Bank issue it is undeniable that Jews share a common ancestry with the Semitic peoples still living there .
      
      http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2000/10/jews-and-arabs-share-recent-ancestry
      
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      December 30, 2016 1:31pm
      - Jack5
        
        Hi Stephie X:
        
        On the origins of Ashkenazi Jews, further information about their DNA. The more than 10 million Ashkenazi Jews are descended from a group of just 250 to 420 people who lived 25 to 32 generations ago.
        
        In origin, the Ashkenazi seem to half European and half Middle Eastern.
        
        http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-ashkenazi-jews-dna-diseases-20140909-story.html
        
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        December 30, 2016 2:50pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Correct. Semitic people are not only the Jews – or Hebrews as they called themselves in earlier times. Their ancestor Abram – known to us as Abraham, the one who God made Himself known to -was a Chaldean from the city of Ur – one of the ancient cities of Mesopotamia, or Iraq as we now know it.
        From that, we have the Chaldean Rite in the Catholic Church – the vast majority of those Christians who are being slaughtered in that country today by ISIS.
        BTW – Arabs are not Semites – they are from Arabia, and are different ethnicly.
        
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        December 30, 2016 8:46pm
  - SPC
    
    Sure. Simplified a lot (and does not include all).
    
    Common northern Semite stock, Israeli and non Israeli locals back in the day (no evidence of a military conquest – those driven out by economic separatism later returned).
    Some tribal Israelis became Christians, and some of their descendants became Moslems.
    Jews included marriage partners and converts and they later inter-bred with the ethnic group (thus both difference and commonality between the Jewish groups).
    
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    December 30, 2016 1:33pm
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      Another “commanality” seems to be going back on their promises.
      
      Lena (((Dunham))), Barbra (((Streisand))), Amy (((Schumer)))
      
      All promised to piss off to white majority Canada ( not Mexico OF COURSE ) if racist sexist Trump slapped down Killary.
      
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      December 30, 2016 1:52pm
      - Manolo
        
        And the wife of the ABC’s hack Stephanopoulos promised to shift to Sydney, Australia. The Aussies are still waiting for the liberal pair.
        
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        December 30, 2016 2:11pm
- Gabby
  
  They better get moving or Finklyson will take the idea up. Much better if it’s paid for out of yanker aid money.
  
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  December 30, 2016 2:04pm
- Scott
  
  Yes that article was linked to on Facebook by Marama Fox I believe? It disappoints me that a member of Parliament thinks that way.
  
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  December 30, 2016 3:23pm
cha

Well known Obama booster says the Russians are not our friends.
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#Russia is not our friend & clearly #Obama has not yet dissuaded them from attempting to breach our cybersecurity systems pic.twitter.com/BythgBSbAt— Leader McConnell (@SenateMajLdr) December 29, 2016

https://twitter.com/SenateMajLdr/status/814594620923514885
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December 30, 2016 3:18pm
Manolo

The Russkies mock the incompetent Messiah:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/russian-embassy-uk-tweet-lame-duck-sanctions-a7501376.html

The Russian response to Barack Obama’s announcement that he was expelling 35 diplomats over the alleged cyber attack on the US election, was fast, and in some cases, rather amusing.

As officials in Moscow said that US diplomats would be ordered to leave in a tit-for-tat response, the Russian Embassy used Twitter to make its point with little panache.

“President Obama expels 35 diplomats in Cold War deja vu. Everybody, including the American people, will be glad to see the last of this hapless administration,” it said.
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December 30, 2016 3:19pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Obama is pretty hopeless, as just as he is leaving he’s grown something that kinda looks like a spine. Except, it’s too little too late. Meanwhile, the nuclear upgrades to Kaliningrad continue unabated.
  
  Trump is most likely to be even weaker on Russia, thinking everyone can just be friends.
  
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  December 30, 2016 3:52pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    Do you think that Putin wants to invade Poland?
    
    Edit, also, what do you think Trump should do with Putin?
    Thanks
    
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    December 30, 2016 4:00pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Not at the moment – too much trouble. But I’m sure he doesn’t want Poland to get strong enough to challenge him in the future over other places he might want to invade.
      
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      December 30, 2016 4:30pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Obama isn’t growing a spine Lucia.
        He’s just reverting to the useless bitter communist he always was – face to face to Putin, he would disolve like a spineless jelly that he is.
        
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        December 30, 2016 8:51pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Not a tough guy like our fearless Don…
        
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        December 30, 2016 9:04pm
    - stephieboy
      
      ‘USSR should NOT have been destroyed’ Putin’s longing for return of the Soviet Union”
      
      THE USSR should have been reformed rather than destroyed, according to Russian leader Vladimir Putin
      
      “ The Soviet Union was dissolved on Boxing Day 1991 after Mikhail Gorbachev, the eighth and final president, declared his office extinct and handed power to Russian President Boris Yeltsin.
      But Mr Putin said the Communist Party should have transformed the bloc into a democratic entity rather than oversee its collapse….”
      
      http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/713895/Vladimir-Putin-Russia-USSR-Soviet-Union
      
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      December 30, 2016 4:33pm
    - Lucia Maria
      
      Your second question is much more open-ended, so I’ll just say I think Trump should do whatever Putin doesn’t want him to do, such as keep the sanctions in place. That would be a good start.
      
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      December 30, 2016 4:39pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thanks, I don’t think Putin wants to invade anywhere. Russia has a long history of having ‘friendly’ countries as buffers. Why change?
        
        As for Trump, I think we will see a mixture of sugar and stick with regard to Putin.
        
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        December 30, 2016 4:47pm
      - Lucia Maria
        
        Russia has a long history of having ‘friendly’ countries as buffers. Why change?
        
        You really don’t know your history, do you?
        
        For instance, let’s consider a ‘friendly’ buffer country in the last century – Poland. Having been dismembered by the Russian Empire as lead dismemberer in the late 1700’s, spent over the next 100 odd years split between 3 empires, only to come back into existence in 1918. At war with Russia (the USSR) in 1919 to 1921. Russia tried to invade Europe through Poland, but was pushed back by the Poles. Peace until 1939 when Russia invaded again, this time with the Germans. Occupied half the country until 1941 when the Germans pushed east and turned on their partners. Invaded again in 1945 and occupied Poland until 1989.
        
        27 years since the last Russian occupation, and you wonder why people in the region are on edge.
        
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        December 30, 2016 5:56pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Yeah, well Buffers are flexible. Heh.
        Russia won’t invade Poland, unless someone like the Germans did, tries to get at Russia through Poland. That’s why Russia likes buffers. Use that country as the place to have the war.
        Also, on Kalingrad, given Russian missiles have a 11-16,000 km range, it doesn’t matter where they are based if they want to strike Europe. Except of course, if you are worried about a NATO or US strike then put them outside your mainland in a place like…Kalingrad. Close to your neighbours.
        
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        December 30, 2016 6:05pm
      - stephieboy
        
        “No, Russia Doesn’t Require Buffer States for Its Own Security”
        
        “…Nuclear Revolutions and Buffer States:
        The belief that Russian geography requires Russia to pursue buffer states, due to Russian security concerns, is outdated and based on a lack of understanding of how the nuclear revolution changed the calculus of security for major powers. The nuclear revolution allowed states to no longer worry about the mobilization schedule of a prospective invader, and instead focus on ensuring a credible second-strike capability to make any invasion into the homeland as painful as possible. Defending the homeland did not depend on the amount of territory the invading army had to traverse following 1945, but rather on the ability to deliver a retaliatory strike.
        
        First, why did Russia require buffer states in the past? The logic behind Russia pursuing buffer states claimed that when great powers were concerned with possible invasion, they would seek to gain territory on their frontier to delay the possible advance of a rival army and allow for a strategy of defense-in-depth. The increased amount of time it would take for an invading military to march across the buffer state would make invasion less likely to succeed, due to the increased defensive capability of the state being invaded. Buffer states were required to ensure the security of great powers with permeable geographical frontiers. Given the ease with which a prospective invader could advance on Russia’s western frontier, buffer states to increase the time Russia would have to deploy defensive forces were seen as a positive.
        Once nuclear weapons were invented, however, buffer states were no longer seen as necessary regardless of geography, as nuclear deterrence worked to ensure the territorial integrity of great powers with nuclear capabilities. Buffer states are not required, since the defensive capabilities of second-strike nuclear capabilities are not enhanced or changed in any way by having early warning and delay of invasion. Thus, the utility of buffer states and the concerns of geography invariably changed following the nuclear revolution. Without the concern of quick invasions into the homeland of a rival great power, buffer states lose their utility regardless of the geography of the territory….”
        
        http://nationalinterest.org/feature/no-russia-doesnt-require-buffer-states-its-own-security-14494
        
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        December 30, 2016 7:40pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        And yet it still has them…
        Look at the map.
        NATO still does war games using its tanks. Why would they do that?
        Because of MAD, which means a ground and air attack is the way forward- which is why Russia likes its buffer states.
        Your commentator needs to think a bit more about reality.
        
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        December 30, 2016 7:46pm
Manolo

Abbott asks for unity among Liberal Party members, but they would have to dispose of pinko Turnbull first.
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/tony-abbott-urges-loyalty-to-liberal-party/ar-BBxH75L?li=AAgfLCP&ocid=mailsignout
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December 30, 2016 3:47pm
Tauhei Notts

I have just finished reading a piece by international commentator Leon Aron, of whom I had never heard of before.
He writes about a flash point in the world named Narva, a city in far eastern Estonia.
It is on the Russian border with a predominant Russian speaking population.
Then he goes on about how Putin considers the Cold War loss of 1989-90 as Germans consider the Treaty of Versailles.
Then he asks what would happen if Putin annexed Narva, just as he annexed Crimea. That made me think of the Sudetenland, circa 1938 and all that.
Narva is a place name you should store in your memory; it might become pivotal in world affairs.
Also, it was the birthplace of noted N.Z. chess champion, Ortvin Sarapu.
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December 30, 2016 4:04pm
stephieboy

Tauhei Notts, all would it take is for Trump and Tillerson to give Putin” the wink , nudge, nudge .. say no more “.

Then its all on !

http://hem.fyristorg.com/robertm/norge/images/Chamberlain_m.jpg
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December 30, 2016 4:37pm
- All_on_Red
  
  Oh rubbish, what a stupid thing to say.
  
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  December 30, 2016 4:43pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  Shit you are such a wanker, Trump and Putin respect each other, it is your crazy mate Obama that is stirring the pot – with Hillary guiding him of course.
  Stupidboy
  
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  December 30, 2016 5:00pm
  - mikenmild
    
    Respect each other. Chortle.
    
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    December 30, 2016 5:18pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Chortle as much as you like Mike, Putin and Trump are clever men – they know the consequences if they behave like lefties, or schoolkids
      
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      December 30, 2016 7:00pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Steve ( North Shore ) , as Tauhei Notts mentions just above the Russian Speakers of the Estonian city of Narva which close to the Russian border is largely unknown . You should think about as it could very well become the centre of a Putin/ Trump firestorm in 2017 ,
        
        http://www.fpri.org/article/2016/05/lost-conflation-estonian-city-narva-russian-speakers/
        
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        December 30, 2016 7:19pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Your link seems to contradict the idea that it could become a ‘firestorm’
        ‘What can be extracted from these findings and local insights?
        
        Narva’s Russian-speakers are not a monolithic population, nor do all of them strongly identify with Russia;
        Narva’s Russian-speakers overall favor and are receptive to Estonian citizenship, identity, and politics compared to Russian;
        Narva’s Russian-speakers are frustrated, wary, and critical of the Estonian state, politics, and citizenship policies. Narva’s Russian-speakers desire to be part of the larger Estonian community, citizenry, and political system. However, current policies and approaches hinder equitable communication, collaboration, and integration between the Estonian majority and state and Russian-speaking minority;
        Narvans have strong identification with and attachment to their home city.’
        
        ‘Desire to be part of the larger Estonian community’
        Hardly an expression of a desire to become part of Russia again huh.
        Lol.
        
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        December 30, 2016 7:26pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , your benign and glib view of Putin is typical of Trump and his supporters bending over back wards to accomidate his aspirations with so called buffer states like the Ukraine or Baltic Republics ( not forgetting Estonia )
        
        Putin would be well advised to attend to economic affairs at home that include an over reliance on oil and gas as well as corruption in high places .He would do well to follow in our footsteps introducing much needed economic infrastructure reforms instead of grand standing trying to revive a mythical glorious Soviet past .
        
        “These 5 Facts Explain Russia’s Economic Decline”
        
        http://time.com/3998248/these-5-facts-explain-russias-economic-decline/
        
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        December 30, 2016 8:07pm
Manolo

Enjoy it!
http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2016/12/28/20-epic-celebrity-trump-meltdowns-2016/
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December 30, 2016 5:36pm
- holysheet
  
  From the comments
  The older white celebrities like Clooney and DeNiro are opening their mouths simply to get attention as they grow older and become irrelevant. The fat, drugged up, godless, disgusting, strong-smelling females that went on their rants hate themselves and lash out out from the hatred, darkness and deep insecurities in their hearts. The black celebrities are simply racist and jealous that their black boy Obama was a flop. And the old, burned out, postmenopausal, hateful women like Cher and Rosie O’Donnell are simply that: burned out, old, hateful, used up.
  
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  December 30, 2016 6:06pm
  - Colville
    
    Clooney would win the election if he stood for the Dems.
    
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    December 30, 2016 7:30pm
- Inandout
  
  Most of those celebrities are irrelevant in today’s techie world. Deniro was around before computers.
  
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  December 30, 2016 6:48pm
nasska

We went to see Wings Over the Wairarapa yesterday.

There were gasps of “Ooh” & “Aah” as the crowds watched on in amazement.

Near miss after near miss had some people covering their eyes & shaking their heads in disbelief.

It was a good hours entertainment but in the end my wife finally managed to park the car & we made our way into the air show.
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December 30, 2016 7:07pm
- mikenmild
  
  Perhaps you could repeat the joke after the actual festival date, nasska.
  Any big events in Eketahuna for the holidays?
  
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  December 30, 2016 7:55pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”Any big events in Eketahuna for the holidays?”….
    
    Not that I’m aware of Mike. We had the Running of the Lambs in November & that’s about as much excitement as we locals can take for a while. 🙂
    
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    December 30, 2016 8:00pm
    - mikenmild
      
      As opposed to Wanuiomata’s annual festival of bestality – ‘Johnboy’s Grabbing of the Lambs’.
      
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      December 30, 2016 8:03pm
EAD

Interesting article in The Atlantic in which liberal academics wring their hands about the fact that increasingly unarguable genetic evidence of racial differences may cause the general public to believe that the races are genetically different. The horror!

The pitiable arguments they are able to muster against this increasingly self evident fact just go to show how far things are swinging us Race Realists way:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/12/genetics-race-ancestry-tests/510962/

(((Franz Boas))) & (((Noel Ignatiev))) will be turning in their graves at the self evident truths.
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December 30, 2016 7:30pm
- mikenmild
  
  Had your DNA ancestry test yet, EAD? I really hope you don’t turn out to be Jewish.
  
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  December 30, 2016 7:50pm
  - stephieboy
    
    mm, this could make EAD faint,
    
    “Proceedings from the National Academy of Sciences of the Unite States ”
    
    Jewish and Middle Eastern non-Jewish populations share a common pool of Y-chromosome biallelic haplotypes
    
    “Jewish religion and culture can be traced back to Semitic tribes that lived in the Middle East approximately 4,000 years ago. The Babylonian exile in 586 B.C. marked the beginning of major dispersals of Jewish populations from the Middle East and the development of various Jewish communities outside of present-day Israel (1). Today, Jews belong to several communities that can be classified according to the location where each community developed. Among others, these include the Middle Eastern communities of former Babylonia and Palestine, the Jewish communities of North Africa and the Mediterranean Basin, and Ashkenazi communities of central and eastern Europe..”
    
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC18733/
    
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    December 30, 2016 8:18pm
wiseowl

Why on earth there is a story about a new Christchurch school on stuff tonight I do not know.
This mystery school that has morphed in to some supposedly PC educational monstrosity sounds like the leftist, racist answer to indoctrination at all levels.
Why has it been allowed to happen under National ?Rhetorical question of course.
Haeta, what a disgrace.
Wiping all sign of real New Zealand.
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December 30, 2016 8:26pm
- stephieboy
  
  wiseowl,
  
  Is this is what schooling should be truly about ? ,
  
  https://i2.wp.com/www.wsws.org/asset/2cfe2585-ed13-47a0-a81e-6f0d32dae8fE/Pulteney+Grammar+School,+South+Australia,+cadet+unit+training,+circa+1911.jpg
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:37pm
  - All_on_Red
    
    More stupid pictures. What are you? 12?
    
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    December 30, 2016 9:40pm
    - stephieboy
      
      you 5 ?
      
      http://www.freeprintablebehaviorcharts.com/tantrums.htm
      
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      December 30, 2016 10:01pm
- mikenmild
  
  There’s something not ‘real New Zealand’ about a Maori school, huh?
  
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  December 30, 2016 9:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Oh dear,
Jetstar dropping its Wellington- Melbourne direct flights.

Not enough patronage..

Why not change Wellington’s name to Bugtussle?
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December 30, 2016 10:13pm
Manolo

No husband, no friends, no hope, no future:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/29/hillary-clinton-was-just-spotted-out-in-public-alone/
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