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EAD

Don’t expect the Lugenpresse to report on this:

https://www.rt.com/news/371824-aleppo-mass-graves-civilians/

Mass graves with dozens of bodies of civilians subjected to brutal torture have been discovered in Aleppo neighborhoods left by militants, the Russian Defense Ministry said Monday.

Many of the corpses were found with missing body parts, and most had gunshot wounds to the head, according to a statement by Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov.

When they are fighting Assad/Putin, our MSM have ISIS & Al Qaeda transform from being the devil incarnate to being cuddly “Rebels” interested only in “Freedom & Democracy”!
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December 29, 2016 8:14am
- Keeping Stock
  
  This, posted by a Holocaust denier; ’nuff said…
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:36am
  - mikenmild
    
    Indeed. Distrusts our media, but has faith in Russia Today.
    
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    December 29, 2016 8:43am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      ” Distrusts our media, but has faith in Russia Today.”
      
      ((((Our media))))
      
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      December 29, 2016 10:16am
      - Ed Snack
        
        If the ((())) is meant to indicate “Jews”, what does the (((()))) mean, ultra Jews, Orthodox Jews, Apostate Jews, Communist Jews ??!!?
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:23am
  - EAD
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Facetious much Keeping Stock? Has my showing of the hypocrisy and chutzpah of our MSM rattled your nerve? 🙂
    
    You know, this sort of off the bat Pavlovian Godwinism, unlike from say Milkmaid, defies your apparent intellect and sobriety elsewhere on the blog. Sobriety rejects sensationalism. A perusal of reputable historical sources, some of them quite hard to find, helped me to form my own opinion whereas emotion forms your knee jerk response.
    
    The most powerful persuasion, however, did not come from the rather dry accounts in my reading, but from the
    perfectly straightforward deduction that a people with the traditions and culture
    of the Germans did not almost overnight become barbarians and commit mass
    murder.
    
    Their military did not lose its humanity just because it was accustomed to obeying orders. Most tellingly, the descendants of these reputed monsters
    could not have been the absolutely average people who firstly surrounded my ancestors whilst stationed in Germany after the war, then myself personally later in life through my trips to this wonderful country of wonderful people.
    
    My “denial” as you call it, stems not only from extensive reading of first hand accounts, but also the application of simple logic such as:
    – No mass graves were ever found
    – No German documents were ever found documenting plans to exterminate Jews (and if you know Germans, they are fastidious record keepers 🙂 ! )
    – most deaths in German camps came in the last 90 days of war of typhus and starvation due to Allied saturation bombing. (these are exactly the photos used to convince us that the holohoax was genuine)
    – American prison incinerators consume one body in 8 hours yet two at Auschwitz supposedly burned 2,500 per day!
    – No piles of human ashes were ever found
    – Only 5.5 million Jews lived in all of Pre War Europe, millions survived (just look at how many millions were claiming money from the Germans as reparation in the world’s biggest ever shakedown), and therefore, whereby did the mythical 6 million figure come from?
    
    In any case, how can you call me a “denier” – a nonsense label as one cannot deny what one does not hold for truth.
    
    The word “Denier”, like its use for demonising those who “deny” global warming when all the facts and logic point otherwise, is one of the oldest propaganda tricks in the book – designed to shut down debate and rendering all contra discussion as null and void merely by uttering that one word.
    
    https://telltruthshamedevil.blogspot.co.nz/2016/03/ebook-tell-truth-shame-devil.html?m=0
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:15am
    - EAD
      
      My link above has on it a free PDF download of the outstanding book Tell the Truth and Shame the Devil by Gérard Menuhin who is listed as:
      
      The son of Yehudi Menuhin, who, though from a long line of rabbinical ancestors, fiercely criticized the foreign policy of the state of Israel and its repression of the Palestinians in the Holy Land.
      
      The fact the book was written by a brave Jew renders labels and motives like “anti-semitism” that are used to shut down all debate as null and void. PS: Isn’t it an incredibly high bar one must pass in order to discuss the tribe whereas every man and his dog is free to say whatever they want about Europeans
      
      Goodreads describe the book as follows:
      
      This book is of monumental importance for the people of the world today. Many know that something is not right in the world. Nations engage in perpetual war while bankers and armaments makers line their pockets from the carnage. The average citizen of the world has been cut out of the decision-making process of government, whether he lives in a democracy, republic, theocracy or dictatorship. All the while, the ruling elite grow stronger and richer, as the real producers struggle to survive.
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:27am
      - mikenmild
        
        I especially enjoyed your ‘deduction’ that decent people like the Germans could not do such beastly things.
        What a moron.
        
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        December 29, 2016 9:44am
      - stephieboy
        
        EAD , from Amazon .com,
        
        Tell the Truth & Shame the Devil by Gerard Menuhin
        
        “Absolutely surreal. The author lives in his own little world of figments of imagination. No signs of reality. No knowledge of reality. Completely imaginary. In addition, humanity is something that is completely foreign to him. This book attempts to support racism and the hate towards Jews. He has no sense of true human suffering, even suggests to support the continuation of human suffering. Completely surreal! The only real thing is that he is right winged and sees no problem with human suffering and anti-semitism as it occurred especially during WWII. The world has treated the author too well so far! He needs a good dose of reality to wake up! If you support his kind of thinking that is against humanity or if you just simply want to read the book so that you know what an anti-Semite and holocaust denier thinks, then this is a book for you to read!”
        
        https://www.amazon.com/Tell-Truth-Shame-Devil-2015/dp/193778729X/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1482958586&sr=1-2&keywords=Tell+the+Truth+%26+Shame+the+Devil+by+Gerard+Menuhin+Tell+the+Truth+%26+Shame+the+Devil
        
        EAD, go and visit your Doctor !
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:03am
    - mandk
      
      “No mass graves were ever found”
      
      You are an untermann, EAD. The lowest of the low.
      
      Just google “mass Jewish graves” and tell me all those images are fake.
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:47am
      - fernglas
        
        I like the bit where he says
        
        ” No German documents were ever found documenting plans to exterminate Jews (and if you know Germans, they are fastidious record keepers ? ! )”
        
        They may be fastidious record keepers, but they weren’t stupid enough to keep those sorts of records; even the Germans knew enough to cover their tracks.
        
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        December 29, 2016 9:55am
      - EAD
        
        Hysterical much mandk?
        
        “No mass graves were ever found”
        
        You are an untermann, EAD. The lowest of the low.
        
        Just google “mass Jewish graves” and tell me all those images are fake.
        
        Resorting to “googiling” to back up your “argument” of which there is none? 🙂
        
        FWIW – I did just Google it up and what I saw were images of real mass graves. However, they were mass graves from the Jewish Bolsheviks in the Soviet Union where 25 million Christian Russians really did die and were buried in mass graves from either starvation or in the Gulag. (Funnily enough the media don’t report on them that much).
        
        How come the worst mass murderer of all time – the Jewish Yagoda, has his name, nationality and crimes expunged from pretty much all history’s books?
        
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda
        
        “You must understand, the leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured and slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. It cannot be overstated. Bolshevism committed the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant and uncaring about this enormous crime is proof that the global media is in the hands of the perpetrators.” -Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
        
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        December 29, 2016 9:59am
      - mikenmild
        
        Yes, Yagoda is so unknown that EAD can only read about him on Wikipedia.
        FFS.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:02am
    - SPC
      
      I am a denier.
      
      Humans were not created 6000 years ago. Monotheism was.
      
      The Noah’s Ark flood story. Na. Never been a worldwide flood. Only local ones and the occasional sea level rise after an ice age ends.
      
      And God’s do not invent law codes and pass them down to man letter by letter, that is just how men write down their’s and bless their own work as holy. FFS the first law code of that sort
      supposedly came to an Emperor of Babylon from the god of Babylon. Cities having their own gods was the par for the course lie of that era.
      
      Royal throne propaganda myth. My ancestor was a son a god, so I am king. So there. Believe it or not. Not. I am a denier.
      
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      December 29, 2016 10:08am
      - SPC
        
        But GW is real. So is the chance of a new Maunder minimum, but the impact of one of these would only offset some of the warming, not stop it. But it might be enough in tandem with some considered action to make the warming manageable.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:20am
- Reid
  
  One CBS guy does EAD. His show is getting quite the following. Here’s his take on who the rebels are.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vgmnohv4HP4
  
  Of course it will soon be labelled ‘fake news’ because none of the sheeple can handle the truth.
  
  It’s too bad they’re too dumb to work out if they’re not funded supplied and directed by the West through its proxies SA and Qatar, then who the fuck is doing so? Also the idiots have a go at this question and guess what: the profound dummies conclude Iran, Russia and Assad is doing it. If it wasn’t for the horrific fact real deaths and real destruction is involved, their collective stupidity would be amusing. Instead its just sad, that so many people in so many places could collectively be so absolutely totally fucking dumb.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    “Reality” TV front man Ben Swan on ” Rethinking 9/11 ”
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7tSfwkKaUo
    
    What Next !
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:14am
    - pentwig
      
      you are being silly again steffie
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:38pm
      - Gabby
        
        you are getting wiggy again merkin
        
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        December 29, 2016 9:56pm
- SPC
  
  This is Aleppo not an area ever controlled by Islamic State. And none of the MSM have ever portrayed them in a positive way.
  
  The same applies to another Al Qaeda branch Al Nusra, you are just making that up.
  
  There has been sympathetic coverage to FSA and the Kurds fighting Islamic State, increasingly with Arab forces that have left areas controlled by more dubious rebel forces (fighting Assad)
  such as al Nusra to do so.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:08am
PhilBest

This is a bit wonkish for a general political blog, but it is highly educational and hopefully some KB-ers have time to browse it. There is also the interesting angle that the author, respected transport economist David Levinson, originally wrote these mini-essays in response to requests for advice, from planning bureaucrats in NZ.

“The Future Local Transport System”

https://transportist.org/2016/12/19/the-future-local-transport-system-110/

Well worth reading all pieces in the series.

EDIT: It might be interesting, just how much notice the NZ bureaucrats have bothered to take!
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December 29, 2016 8:17am
- Reid
  
  What’s the gist Phil?
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:04am
  - PhilBest
    
    Cars becoming electric, and driverless, and small/energy-efficient, and this intermeshing with on-demand “taxis”, will be significantly more efficient than “public transport” everywhere except dense and high-powered CBD’s like New York’s.
    
    There will be scope for efficient private-sector provision of “in-between” public transport – between the mass-transit subway system and the small on-demand driverless taxi – but this too will be driverless and “van-sized”.
    
    Public monopoly “mass” public transport as we know it is on a trajectory, already well advanced, to fiscal unsustainability, and expecting a reversal in this trajectory is absurd.
    
    Levinson also points out that the few viable mass subway systems, eg in NYC, can and should be run on farebox revenue. But some form of pricing of “road use” will be needed more than ever because of the likely rebound effect of cost-efficient on-demand driverless “cars” (some of which may be little bigger than covered motorbikes).
    
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    December 29, 2016 2:30pm
    - Reid
      
      Thanks Phil.
      
      Driverless trucks are going to revolutionise the freight business too. A whole industry will disappear.
      
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      December 29, 2016 5:43pm
Happychappy

I would like to know why we let so many charity’s beg for people to donate money for children overseas when we have such a large problem with poverty and homeless in NZ. As NZ people have been known to be generous in supporting these Charity’s the more seem to be formed allowing money that could also help our poor deprived children that Labour and the Greens put at around four hundred thousand if their figures are to be believed. I also would be interested to see how many Charity’s and how many dollar gifted to them is sent overseas.
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December 29, 2016 8:19am
- Awww C-mon
  
  1/ I donate crap loads through my tax bill
  2/”Labour and the Greens put at around four hundred thousand if their figures are to be believed.”
  They are not to be believed
  3/ Go and check out the lives of the kids I sponsor and then come back and argue poverty.
  4/ A dollar a day doesn’t cover Sky, Smokes and Bourbon anyway
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:30am
- G152
  
  Why aren’t the governments of those countries where there is real child poverty doing their utmost to solve the problem ?.
  One less palace for the tyrant could feed the population for a year, maybe more.
  When I see the weapons these dictators display my charitable feelings go right out the window
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:36am
  - kowtow
    
    India is a great example. Nuclear weapons, space program, blue water navy…….. but no flushing toilets and a recipient of huge amounts of charity and govt aid.
    
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    December 29, 2016 8:43am
    - mikenmild
      
      India does get billions in aid. It is interesting to see what other nuclear powers get in aid too. Pakistan (over $2 billion), Israel (over $3 billion) and North Korea (over $100 million) also get in on this racket. Disgusting.
      
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      December 29, 2016 8:53am
      - marcw
        
        Interesting that you include Israel in with Pakistan and DRK. Hadn’t realised that Israel was crying out in poverty for it’s children – it must be another MSM fail.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:25am
  - mikenmild
    
    It’s always easy to invent reasons for not giving to charity/
    
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    December 29, 2016 8:44am
    - DifferentPerspective
      
      It’s always easy for charities to invent reasons to give to charities
      
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      December 29, 2016 2:19pm
- Stars And Stripes
  
  Overseas aid in the form of charity is just like NZ social welfare,a big con used by the useless and inadequate to bludge money off the successful.
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:48am
  - SPC
    
    You will be pleased to know our government level of foreign aid is one of the lowest in the OECD.
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:33am
    - big bruv
      
      I am not pleased at all that we have one of the lowest foreign aid budgets in the OECD. I will not be pleased until we are the target of western liberals because our foreign aid budget is zero.
      
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      December 29, 2016 11:48am
- Happychappy
  
  Wow it looks like my post might join the likes of Morrissey,Gabby ,Hugh and Penny and reach more than twenty down ticks in a couple of hours. For the record having seven grand children most like me would never allow them to live in poverty.
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:54am
- SPC
  
  We let them organise because we allow freedom. By them to seek donations and others to choose to support them.
  
  Are you saying we should stop people sending money overseas via charities? Spending their money the way they choose. Really?
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:19am
  - mikenmild
    
    I think he was rather seeking to justify his own selfishness by disguising it as a virtue.
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:45am
- Paulus
  
  But I ask the question often————
  “How much of my donation would go to the intended people – very little I expect”.
  It would be sucked up by administrative executives like the UN, eg Clark or Simpson and their cohorts, or Greenpeace as examples –
  All charities are similar I would expect – and they are tax free – eh Ngai Tahu and Tainui and thousands of others in New Zealand’s special people as examples – they are all Charities but do virtually no charitable work.
  
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  December 29, 2016 2:15pm
Happychappy

I see NZ Politics is again going to have the delight in seeing the Fat Kraut organize his Party to stand at the 2017 General Election.Well I am sure Labour and the Greens will be over the moon with this announcement that could help bring them the missing million back to the polls.
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December 29, 2016 8:39am
- Keeping Stock
  
  Dotcom can’t stand in the General Election Happychappy. He is not a New Zealand citizen, and I’m prepared to wager he never will be. That’s why he had to buy the likes of Laila Harre and Hone Harwira in 2014.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:41am
  - Manolo
    
    As he will attempt to buy Tubby Turei and Angry Andy on this occasion.
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:43am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      Half of me wants that to be true so I can enjoy the bonfire after the crash, and the other half wants them to stay where they are doing the disservice for the party’s they currently represent.
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:56am
    - holysheet
      
      What and be seen taking silver from someone who didn’t pay his workers the correct wages?
      Only the lefties would turn a blind eye and accept this fat krauts money.
      It’s different when the left do it
      
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      December 29, 2016 10:48am
  - Paulus
    
    Laila still has her price !
    
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    December 29, 2016 2:16pm
    - Steve (North Shore)
      
      Dam right she does. Laila Harry is more of a Political Prostitute than Peter Dunne is – they will both do anything to get leverage/traction
      
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      December 29, 2016 3:26pm
Chuck Bird

If the police are being honest saying they have no immediate concerns for the father and his 6 year old daughter they know nothing about safety as sea. I hope they are still alive but it does not look good. If one want to risk their life it is one thing but to put a 6 year old at risk is grossly negligent. You do not sail from the west coast to the Bay of Islands in a 6 m catamaran. One should have on any vessel making such a voyage good means of communication and an EPIRB.

Missing catamaran mystery: ‘I am convinced they are alive,’ says girl’s mum

Detective Senior Sergeant Stephen Ambler, of Waikato Police, said Langdon is a confident and competent sailor and there are no immediate concerns for the pair, however police need to establish their welfare.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/87980761/missing-yachtie-spent-months-rebuilding-catamaran-before-setting-sail
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December 29, 2016 8:43am
- srylands
  
  Reading the article the inference is that this boat does not even have a radio. They are very probably lost. However if the guy does by some miracle show up happy and smiling, I hope he gets his arse kicked.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:11am
  - srylands
    
    Could the down ticker explain?
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:26am
  - G152
    
    Having a little sea time myself I know of people who have gone to sea in smaller craft and circumnavigated the world.
    And somewhat larger well founded vessels that have gone down within their maiden voyage.
    Until there is evidence leave S&R to do what they do
    
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    December 29, 2016 11:54am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Have you had a look in the article of the 6 metre CAT?
      
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      December 29, 2016 1:16pm
- Tarquin North
  
  To do what this guy did is a crime. I don’t care what he does with his own life but he should not put his his daughter at risk. I own a very capable 10 metre yacht and I wouldn’t attempt that trip the way westerlies have been hammering through pretty much since labour weekend. The west coast of Northland is a very unforgiving place, look what happened to the Francie.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:14am
- Ed Snack
  
  So he’s been out 12 days now, would have to be pretty short of water if they haven’t stopped on the way up. Weather hasn’t been terrible, but that’s a damn small boat to sail up around North Cape, and a Cat at that, easy enough to pitch-pole or flip it and without a beacon you’d be a goner. Probably no life-raft, I can understand a single person doing it…maybe, but to take a 6 year old ?
  
  Hate to think it is a deliberate “lost at sea” over the custody dispute.
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:33am
  - Komata
    
    Let’s see (sorry, unintentional pun). Small boat leaves Kawhia and has to cross bar on way out, then vanishes. Only harbours between Kawhia and North Cape are Raglan, Manukau, and Kaipara. All have bars, all are renowned for being very unfriendly towards ANY vessel, whether powered or sail-equipped. Then there is the ‘Cape area itself, especially where the two seas meet. Some would recall the Kaitawa episode and the even earlier Elingamite. It is definitely not a pleasant place, particularly in a small catamaran. While it is to be hoped that this somewhat ill-founded expedition does in fact succeed, as has already been noted, the Tasman Sea, does tend to be unforgiving. On that basis (and if they haven’t already done so), Plod should perhaps start searching the west coast from the 90-mile beach downwards, as any debris will flow north and the sooner it is found, the sooner the case can be closed.
    
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    December 29, 2016 12:06pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      You for got the Hokianga – but the validity of your comment still applies.
      
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      December 29, 2016 12:29pm
      - jcuk
        
        People see it is a six metre and say “OOH that’s small” but it is a Wharram design which has stood up to bad weather so I remain hopeful ….trouble is that marine radios, beacons are expensive and sadly tend to get put on the wish list rather than in the boat. It is obvious he has faith in the Wharram design despite loosing his bigger version.
        
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        December 29, 2016 4:43pm
All_on_Red

Apparently Israel is still approving applications to build houses in East Jerusalem.
‘The Jerusalem Municipality, undeterred by a U.N. anti-settlement resolution, is due to consider Wednesday requests for construction permits for hundreds of new homes for Israelis in areas that Israel captured in 1967.’
‘Israel’s Haaretz newspaper reported Tuesday that 1,506 housing units for Israelis have already been approved in East Jerusalem this year, compared with 395 in 2015.’

Rumour has it, this is the Stamp they use to approve them.?
https://www.zawya.com/mena/en/story/Israel_pressing_ahead_with_settlements_despite_UN_vote-DS28122016_dsart-386935/
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December 29, 2016 8:45am
- SPC
  
  Delayed. Note a party in the government of Israel opposes a Palestinian state and wants to annex large areas of the West Bank.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11774133
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:59am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Your NZ H article doesn’t mention anything about the Jerusalem Municipality delaying their Approval meeting.
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:18am
    - SPC
      
      It did originally, because that was where I read it. They must have removed that part when they updated it.
      
      This is the part they removed.
      
      Netanyahu moved Wednesday to limit friction with the US, intervening to get a Jerusalem municipal committee to postpone a review of plans for hundreds of new apartments in east Jerusalem, which would have contradicted Resolution 2334. The committee “will continue to develop Jerusalem for the benefit of all residents, without prejudice and without political considerations,” the municipality said in a statement. Committee member Hanan Rubin said the plans could be reviewed at a later date.
      Shmuel Sandler, a political scientist at Bar-Ilan University’s Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, said Netanyahu remains under pressure to respond to the UN vote with a wave of new building. Education Minister Naftali Bennett, whose Jewish Home party opposes a Palestinian state, has called for Israel to annex large swathes of the West Bank, though Netanyahu has ordered Cabinet members to cease all talk of annexation for now.
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:29am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Thanks- probably smart to let things settle down and not be provocative.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:16am
- Reid
  
  There’s going to be action over this, you watch. And no amount of propaganda about anti-semitism will change that.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:08am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Do you think Israel should just annex the areas and be done with it?
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:23am
    - Reid
      
      No I think Israel should stop being a rogue nation and play the game same way every other nation does, by obeying international law. What’s unreasonable about expecting that?
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:35am
      - emmess
        
        International law because it is a joke.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:10am
      - marcw
        
        Like all the UN votes against the annexation of Crimea from the Ukraine we think were reasonable?
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:31am
      - MickMac
        
        it is not against International law.
        They don’t have to give anything back to anyone until their people are safe.
        
        rather annex Judea and Samaria.
        Muslims who don’t like it can go to Jordan.
        but they don’t want them either.
        
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        December 29, 2016 12:50pm
- MickMac
  
  Should’ve annexed it in 1967 when they should have kicked the Arabs into Jordan.
  But America wouldn’t let them……
  
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  December 29, 2016 12:48pm
MrTips

Distributism. Old fad from the early 20th C that would never work? Or an idea whose time has come in current world circumstances? I think its worth a look and refining perhaps.
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December 29, 2016 9:04am
- mikenmild
  
  No one has ever come up with a mechanism that would see distributism work.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:14am
  - burt
    
    No one has ever come up with a mechanism that would see socialism work yet we try over and over again and it fails every time.
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:52am
    - mikenmild
      
      That depends on what you mean by ‘socialism’, of course. We have successfully socialised the provision of health and education. Even with that, there are not too many that would wish to extend it to the means of production, etc.
      But keep on whacking that straw man.
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:55am
      - cmm
        
        “We have successfully socialised the provision of health and education.”
        
        To an extent that is correct in that our socialised health and education do work. But there is no evidence that non-socialised health and education would not have worked or would not have worked better.
        
        The biggest issue with socialised services is that the consumption is disconnected from the funding. People who feel entitled to taking more from the system are seldom the people funding it.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:08am
      - SPC
        
        Maybe there is. The tota spend of the USD health system is twice that of socialised medicine nations – yet their coverage is not universal and the outcomes in terms of age lived are worse.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:24am
      - Disaster Area
        
        ‘But there is no evidence that non-socialised health and education would not have worked or would not have worked better.’
        
        Go to America.
        Call me a socialist, a snowflake or whatever, but I believe that nobody should be denied health care because they can’t afford it.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:31am
      - Steve (North Shore)
        
        You dodged that one real quick Mike – only 3 min
        
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        December 29, 2016 6:02pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Check out ‘Mondragon’ in Spain.
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:50am
- hmmokrightitis
  
  Too many issues. Rooted as it is in mainstream religion, strike one. Strike two has always been the transition from capitalism to distributism.
  
  Humans just arent built this way.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:33am
- Salacious Crumb
  
  Why not refer to it by its correct title; communism?
  
  And not in million years….
  
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  December 29, 2016 3:09pm
Biscuit

Best news of the day: Sickipedia is back up and running!

Non-PC jokes everywhere again…

Sample joke:

ISIS Awards Night
‘Suicide Bomber of the Year’ – ‘And the winner is …. Mohammad.’
‘Unfortunately, Mohammad cannot be with us tonight…’
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December 29, 2016 9:28am
- burt
  
  This one is good;
  
  http://www.sickipedia.net/j/Religion/Islam/60240
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:21am
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    That was good!
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:34am
  - Steve (North Shore)
    
    Thnaks burt. I just stole that and put it on Facebook – see if I get a 24 hour ban again from pricks with no sense of humour
    
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    December 29, 2016 3:37pm
hmmokrightitis

I hear, as of yesterday, that we are at war with Israel.
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December 29, 2016 9:33am
Captain Mainwaring

Hearing on Newstalk ZB that Angry Andy’s union thugs are strong-arming Paul Eagle into not standing for the Rongotai nomination in order to protect it for the angry one.
This will be very interesting.
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December 29, 2016 9:34am
- Reid
  
  Angry’s going to be rolled soon after he loses the next election, the fool hasn’t mended any fences with the other factions. Robertson and Lucinda will step up and Angry will have to return to New Plymouth.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:40am
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Eagle is very popular in the electorate. If Angry is selected ahead of him he could get the last laugh by standing as an independent.
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:42am
    - Keeping Stock
      
      It’s Mana 2010 all over again, when Goff stacked the selection meeting to get his press secretary Faafoi selected. Who cared that the LEC in Mana wanted Josie Pagani as their candidate and MP? Goff’s office bussed in staffers and unionists, and the rest is history.
      
      Local democracy doesn’t exist in the world of the Labour Party.
      
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      December 29, 2016 10:04am
      - doggone7
        
        Stacking selection meetings is a time honoured sport surely? It knows no bounds.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:37am
    - All_on_Red
      
      If he’s not selected by Labour Eagle should stand for NZ First.
      
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      December 29, 2016 10:20am
      - Colville
        
        Yip. All the Nats would vote for him to put it up Angry Andy 🙂
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:45am
    - MickMac
      
      that would be delicious.
      Voting for Paul against Andy would be great.
      
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      December 29, 2016 12:52pm
Manolo

The clown taunts Israel:
https://news.grabien.com/story-kerry-israel-can-either-be-jewish-or-democratic-it-cannot-be
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December 29, 2016 9:38am
- fernglas
  
  I thought the clown was bigly pro-Israel.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:44am
- EAD
  
  Confirming what you say Manolo, but from a different angle, majority rule doesn’t fly in Israel. The original Arab majority was driven out of their homes and their native land, and kept out. Meanwhile, a Jewish colonising “majority” was artificially imported. Not only the immigrants from Eastern Europe, but every Jew on earth was granted a “right of return” — that is, “return” to a “homeland” most have never lived in, and in which most of their ancestors has ever lived.
  
  A Jew from Brooklyn (whose grandfather came from Poland) can fly to Israel and immediately claim rights denied to an Muslim or Christian Arab whose people have always lived in Palestine for millennium .
  
  Israel has flatly rejected demands for a “right of return” for Palestinians exiled since 1948. It frankly gave as its reason that this would mean “the end of the Jewish state,” since an Arab majority would surely vote down Jewish ethnic privileges and a talmudic legal system. So Kerry is right but for the wrin8g reaso s in thay if Israel remained “democratic”, it wouldn’t long remain Jewish.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:48am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD , pity you mingle this kind of thing with your crude hatred of Jews !
    
    To be fair the Jewish occupation of Palestine ( Roman word re Emperor Hadrian to rid the area of a Jewish presence ) goes back to 1300 BC,
    
    http://www.allaboutarchaeology.org/merneptah-stele-faq.htm
    
    e
    
    BTW Do you believe in a two state or genuine shared power in a Federal state solution ?
    
    Or Israel should cease to exist ?
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:23am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      “genuine shared power in a Federal state ”
      
      LOL, seriously? You think the Jews are that stupid, after what happened in WW2?
      
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      December 29, 2016 10:29am
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      why dont you tell us how a shared power would work steffie?
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:45pm
  - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
    
    “an Arab majority would surely vote down Jewish ethnic privileges”
    
    They would exterminate the Jews with the help of all the surrounding arab countries.
    
    Let the Jews have their own state, then they can all go there and leave us white nations alone.
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:26am
  - SPC
    
    Misleading.
    There was a Jewish majority in the area awarded for a Jewish state – the UN specifically determined areas with Jewish and Arab majority.
    The Jewish state once established is allowed sovereignty over its immigration policy. And everyone new it was to be Jewish homeland for Jews to migrate to when the UN made the decision.
    
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    December 29, 2016 2:01pm
  - Duxton
    
    So, Obama’s Secretary of State has publicly admitted that Muslims will not allow freedom of worship once they gain a majority? He needs to tell his boss that.
    
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    December 29, 2016 11:23pm
- SPC
  
  Questioning the intent to annex much of the West Bank for settlements and render the Arabs of the area stateless is required by member nations of the UN. The UN established the basis for the state of Israel on terms that included another state west of the Jordan River.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:53am
- cha
  
  Meir Kahane sang the same song, too.
  
  Zionism is completely incompatible with Western democracy
  
  […]
  
  Because Judaism is diametrically at odds with Western democracy, absolutely incompatible
  
  https://web.archive.org/web/20090219141224/http://kahane.org/meir/interview.htm
  
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  December 29, 2016 6:19pm
Manolo

Outrage against the hopeless UN:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/josh-rogin/wp/2016/12/28/inside-the-coming-war-between-the-united-states-and-the-united-nations/?utm_term=.5f0cbb5d953e

Immediately after the Obama administration abstained Friday from a vote to condemn Israeli settlements as illegal, which passed the Security Council by a vote of 14 to zero, Republicans and Democrats alike criticized both the United Nations and the U.S. government for allowing what Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) called “a one-sided, biased resolution.” Sen. Lindsey Graham, the chairman of the Senate appropriations subcommittee for the State Department and foreign operations, pledged to lead an effort to withhold the U.S. funding that makes up 22 percent of the U.N.’s annual operating budget.

“The U.N. has made it impossible for us to continue with business as usual,” Graham told me right after the vote. “Almost every Republican will feel like this is a betrayal of Israel and the only response that we have is the power of purse.”
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December 29, 2016 9:41am
BananaLlama

So what do Kiwibloggers make of this nonsense about Israel threating war with our nation. Also an obligatory told you so to every left wing street shitter that voted to scrap the strike arm of our airforce.
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December 29, 2016 10:05am
- Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
  
  Dont fret, Trump is going to sort things out once Obummer slithers away next Jan 20th.
  
  Donald J. Trump
  @realDonaldTrump
  
  “We cannot continue to let Israel be treated with such total disdain and disrespect. They used to have a great friend in the U.S., but…….not anymore. The beginning of the end was the horrible Iran deal, and now this (U.N.)! Stay strong Israel, January 20th is fast approaching!”
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:23am
  - stephieboy
    
    Jazz Hands , we shall wait and see whether Trump can match his “Blah, Blah ..” rhetoric with actual reality .
    
    The Iran deal will be intersting considering his great mate Putin is a supporter and his country a signatory to it !
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:31am
    - Jazz-Hands Mc Feels
      
      You mean that same “Blah, blah..” that he used to wipe out the Republican Establishment, the degenerate Leftists and MSM, in a stunning victory?
      
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      December 29, 2016 10:50am
    - pentwig
      
      Steffie
      The Iran deal will be intersting considering his great mate Putin is a supporter and his country a signatory to it !
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      Why??
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:48pm
- mikenmild
  
  I’m not sure that a squadron of general purpose attack aircraft would be much use against nuclear missiles, if it came down to actual war.
  But Netanyahu probably means a diplomatic war of some sort until we remember our place.
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:31am
  - BananaLlama
    
    Estimated range of Israels nuclear missiles is 11,500 km. The Distance from Tel Aviv to Wellington is 16,329 km so nukes are a no go. Now if they sent their surface vessels down here to harass merchant vessels delivering fine wine and caviar i imagine Labour and the Greens would really start squawking.
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:43am
    - mikenmild
      
      We would have to ask our American allies to stop them.
      
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      December 29, 2016 10:47am
      - BananaLlama
        
        Trump taking the white house has put that option in a bit of a pickle hasn’t it since he has Jewish family and feels strongly about Israel. What a shit show we got ourselves into.
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:53am
    - Kimbo
      
      Now if they sent their surface vessels down here to harass merchant vessels delivering fine wine and caviar i imagine Labour and the Greens would really start squawking.
      
      The Israeli Army may be the best in the world, and you would be a fool to try and contest that. However…the Israeli Navy?! I remind Kiwibloggers of the Jewish attitude to the sea – as per the second verse of the Bible, it is a dark chaotic wasteland.
      
      Anyone ever seen the “Sea of Galilee”? Pfft. Is a piddling puddle compared to Lake Taupo – but even Jesus’ disciples wailed and moaned they were going to drown in it (Matthew 8: 24-25).
      
      Put that up against the average Kiwi’s love of boating. If we ever had to take on the Israeli Navy it would make Sir Francis Drake’s kicking of the Spanish in 1588 look like (in the words of one noted New Zealand tactical military expert)…tiddlywinks 😉
      
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      December 29, 2016 11:01am
      - All_on_Red
        
        Meh, Israel could probably bring the country to its knees with a few Computer viruses.
        
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        December 29, 2016 11:49am
- stephieboy
  
  BananaLLama, well form a party to restore the your strike arm toy set !
  
  Oh wait help is at hand ! Kim dot com is toying with giving it another go 2017
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:36am
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    another trolling reply from steffie
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:50pm
- cmm
  
  I don’t think they are threatening war.
  
  What they are saying is that opposing their plans and threatening sanctions is a declaration of war. That is very different to then actually declaring or threatening war against us.
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:37am
- MickMac
  
  But we (NZ) are at war with them already.
  We finance terrorism against Israeli citizens each and every year.
  We give Humanitarian aid to thugs, killers and liars, knowing full well by doing to it frees up their other money to use for terrorism.
  Its common sense.
  
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  December 29, 2016 12:57pm
  - SPC
    
    Like when Israel provides health care to Palestinians and other Arabs.
    
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    December 29, 2016 2:04pm
Manolo

The whole affair shows the enormous power and influence Murray McCully has over PM English, doesn’t it?
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December 29, 2016 10:13am
- mikenmild
  
  Not really. NZ has had a consistent policy of opposing the illegal settlements on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem.
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:32am
- Jack5
  
  McCulley’s in the pocket of the Saudis. Good job he’s on his way out of Parliament.
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:40am
  - Jack5
    
    A job for McCulley after Parliament: commenting on sheepdog trials for TVNZ.
    
    “Aw, the sheep are shifty today. You’d think they’re mistaking the pen for a halal abattoir.”
    
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    December 29, 2016 11:00am
- SPC
  
  It merely reflects that we are bi-partisan on foreign policy.
  
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  December 29, 2016 11:39am
Jack5

The Stephiestani Islamic troll team’s posts are full of piss and vinegar today. Must have been a roster change.

The style and standard of the English is a little different.

Here’s something for them to have a chortle about: Muslims behead a woman in Afghanistan. Her offence – going to town without her husband.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/afghanistan-woman-beheaded-shopping-without-husband-a7498711.html
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December 29, 2016 10:39am
- Reid
  
  The Stephiestani Islamic troll team’s posts are full of piss and vinegar today. Must have been a roster change.
  
  DARPA recombobbulated the damaged wurzenflugels and swapped out a few simians, is why Jack. You can see they’re really trying, can’t you. But my view is it’s a lost cause, even if you are DARPA.
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:50am
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , DARPA ? Bemused by this stuff you contine to post .
    
    What is exactly is DARPA and what can it do with links ( preferably from not you more usual bogus sites e.g Veterans Today )
    
    Jack 5 , the world is full of horrors and not exclusively committed by fanatical Jihadists or Muslims for that matter e.g
    
    http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sickening-attack-homeless-man-who-was-beaten-death-set-fire-sees-four-jailed-1575708
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:55am
    - pentwig
      
      more moronic trolling from steffie. again!
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:52pm
  - Jack5
    
    DARPA? More likely MARPA – Muslim Advanced Research Projects Agency.
    
    Do the Stephies know whether they are ARPA or MARPA?
    
    ARPA – Archaic Religion Promotion Association.
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:56am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack 5 , just keep us updated 40-60 Syrian refugee families turning Dunedin the Medina of the South Pacific,
      
      https://mehfilehazratabbas.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/medina.jpg
      
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      December 29, 2016 12:53pm
      - pentwig
        
        why would jack5 want to do that steffie?
        
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        December 29, 2016 9:54pm
  - Reid
    
    Jack I got to thinking about the question you’ve raised about the markedly differing commenting styles and that together with dismissing the possibility stephie was Barry Soper, and predicated on the assumption “stephie” can’t be human because how the hell can this level of stoopid possibly sneak into the human gene pool without anyone ever noticing, I hypothesised maybe “stephie” was a DARPA project to test the hypothesis of a million monkeys eventually producing shakespeare.
    
    So I did some research and it turns out this is quite the case, “stephie” is in fact about twenty-thousand genetically engineering simians all banging away randomly until the odd word pops out which is picked up by a supercomputer and after some time it all pops out as a blog post here on KB.
    
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    December 29, 2016 11:06am
    - Jack5
      
      Reid: This “Barry Soper”. I bet he sometimes gets mistaken for Barely Sober, the veteran radio man.
      
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      December 29, 2016 11:10am
      - Manolo
        
        Veteran radio hack and ardent Labour Party fan.
        
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        December 29, 2016 12:44pm
- Manolo
  
  Yes, I noticed that. It seems a different stephieboy is at the helm today.
  
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  December 29, 2016 12:45pm
Reid

Good analysis of the US-Qatar ABM deal.

US-Qatar Deal Threatens Russia: Reading News Between the Lines

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/12/28/us-qatar-deal-threatens-russia-reading-news-between-lines.html

What it doesn’t mention is the THAAD can also be turned offensive by swapping out the missiles and this cannot be detected. So in stationing them in these locations the US is effectively parking missiles on Russia’s doorstep. And as the article points out, the equipment they’re installing is more than you need to perform the stated mission.

These are facts people and they’re why I keep saying the West is the aggressor, it’s not the defender, it picks fights.
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December 29, 2016 10:57am
- SPC
  
  They are no threat to Russia, they are supplying weapons that Sunni Moslems want to prevent Iranian hegemony in that region.
  
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  December 29, 2016 11:36am
  - Reid
    
    Perhaps you should read the article and find out why you’re wrong.
    
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    December 29, 2016 12:26pm
    - SPC
      
      The greater range enables a warning system to Europe to defend it from Iranian missiles – should the Turks be unreliable (and they are not reliable).
      Note “the deployment of AN/FPS-132 to Qatar is not needed to support NATO assets stationed in Europe against Iran. A high powered early warning X band radar is stationed in Malatya, Turkey to carry out the mission”
      
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      December 29, 2016 1:56pm
Kimbo

I see Israel’s embedded journalist, Whale Oil is doing the full-court-press asking every political party how they stack up ~~against Bibi Netanyahu’s talking points~~ re the West Bank Security Council Resolution we co-sponsored.

Fair enough. A guy’s gotta make a living, and Whale Oil understands the importance of having a point of difference. But I’m surprised it’s taken me so long – his editorial stance and style is that of the Sun in its hey day, and also the Daily Mail . Ironic for a guy who dances on the grave of “Old Media”.
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December 29, 2016 11:16am
- SPC
  
  Well he is a former editor of the “New” Truth.
  
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  December 29, 2016 11:33am
- Gabby
  
  It’s probably too much to hope that the common answer was ‘fuck off fat cambo’.
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:38pm
Fletch

After Obama’s horrid move in the U.N against Israel, some commentators are saying that it will popularise a “USexit” vote for the United States to leave the U.N completely.

A Usexit (pronounced: you-sex-it) movement has rarely ever taken hold, with the last attempt to encourage such a move dying in committee in 2015. Then, Congressman Mike Rogers (R-AL) alongside a number of other Congressmen and women floated the American Sovereignty Restoration Act (ASA).

At the time, the bill called for a repeal of The United Nations Participation Act of 1945, much like how Brexit campaigners in the United Kingdom would prefer not to invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty and simply repeal the 1972 European Communities Act.

The ASA called for the following:

The President shall terminate all membership by the United States in the United Nations, and in any organ, specialized agency, commission, or other formally affiliated body of the United Nations.

Adding:

The United States Mission to the United Nations is closed. Any remaining functions of such office shall not be carried out.

Commenting at the time, Rep. Mike Rogers said: “Why should the American taxpayer bankroll an international organization that works against America’s interests around the world?” The time is now to restore and protect American sovereignty and get out of the United Nations.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/12/28/kassam-usexit-case-turfing-un-america-grows-stronger/
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December 29, 2016 11:34am
- SPC
  
  A UN without the US veto.
  
  Still based in New York or all of that local spending taken offshore?
  
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  December 29, 2016 11:42am
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Without the US, the UN would be a much more toothless organisation than it is now.
  New Zealand should be ashamed of sponsoring the UN decision against Israel without having a rider, that the Palestinian State disavow their constant cry, “Death to Israel”. Until that happens, Israel will continue to laugh in the face of the UN and its total bias against the only democratic and free state in the region – whose Arab/Palestinian citizens are generally much better off than their compatriots in Gaza and the other Arab countries.
  
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  December 29, 2016 11:51am
  - Kimbo
    
    New Zealand should be ashamed of sponsoring the UN decision against Israel without having a rider, that the Palestinian State disavow their constant cry, “Death to Israel”.
    
    Interesting. So you do at least see the merits in the resolution, but just don’t agree with the pragmatics of the timing.
    
    Huffing and puffing to the contrary, Israel’s security is not compromised by the Resolution. She defended her sttae from 1948 to 1967 without possesion of the West Bank.
    
    Also whatever movement must be made by the Palestinians – and there is much – before the slim possibility of a two-state solution can materialise, desisting from settling the West Bank is something that Israel can do.
    
    Will it bring peace in and of itself? No
    
    Is it the “major” thing that will be a catalyst to peace? No
    
    But it is at least a start in aprocess that has been going nowhere for too long. Good on our government for asserting our traditional NZ foreign affairs values of “an honest broker”, and refusing to be cowed by ultra-conservatives, winner-take-all Zionist apologists and Dispensational crack-pots rubbing their hands together awaiting their cartoon version of the Book of Revelation.
    
    We remain a friend of Israel. But sometimes friends don’t stand aside when they see wrong. I’m surprised that your pragmatism is clouding that essential virtue, Don the Kiwi.
    
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    December 29, 2016 12:15pm
    - SPC
      
      Israel defended itself when surrounded on all sides, now it has treaties with Egypt and Jordan. And is confronted by 2 failed states – Lebanon and Syria. It feels secure enough now to focus on economic growth, and settling more and more West Bank land while telling the world to get stuffed.
      
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      December 29, 2016 1:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        …and she now has nuclear weapons.
        
        Look, I can understand it is bloody easy sitting in a benign environment like NZ to pass judgement. But here’s the thing – Israelis want peace. Most Israelis can see the long-term need for a two-state solution and – no matter who they blame, or who is to blame for the break-down in the 2000 talks – they hope it can happen one day.
        
        All this resolution does is prompt Israel that if you want that, and even though you don’t trust your enemy at the moment, you have to do what you can to keep the door open. If and when the Palestinians act with good will is up to them. But continued Jewish settlement of the West Bank is an act of bad faith that can only stymie the possibility of a negotiated peace. And it is a negotiated peace, not winner-takes-all, that is the best chance. Israel cannot absorb all, or even most of the Palestinians into her borders, and it is foolish to think you can keep them under occupation forever. Neither is it the sort of nation that could or would contemplate genocide and/or wholesale ethnic cleansing.
        
        So time to Bibi to pull his head it, desist from playing the paranoia card, and stop settling in the West Bank.
        
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        December 29, 2016 2:02pm
      - SPC
        
        Israeli restraint is more to demonstrate goodwill and commitment to a peaceful outcome – to earn reciprocity from those Palestinians with goodwill.
        However the real block on peace is the divide between Palestinians, Hamas control of Gaza and the PA in the West Bank.
        Paradoxically the best option is probably to recognise Hamas ruled Gaza as a Palestinian state. And to negotiate with the PA a West Bank Palestinian state (that would operate independently of Gaza).
        Unfortunately those Israelis who want to annex large areas of the West Bank sans any Arabs like to use the existence of Hamas and its control of Gaza as an excuse for their real-politic ambition.
        
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        December 29, 2016 2:12pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Can’t say I’ve agreed with you over much over the years, SPC, but that I do. The nightmare scenario suggested by some around here of Israel absorbing the West Bank, and then keeping its Palestinian inhabitants under occupied rule in the hope of absorbing/dragging them, kicking and screaming as Israeli citizens…or just keeping them under occupation…forever cannot lead to peace. Pre-1992 South Africa, anyone?
        
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        December 29, 2016 2:39pm
- Reid
  
  The US can hardly continue as the leader of the free world if it doesn’t participate in the only forum that represents this, can it.
  
  So it’s not going to withdraw, is it.
  
  Why you people can’t face the simple fact Israel is a rogue nation and all she has to do to stop it is to obey international law but you people think for some reason this is quite wrong and Israel should be able to do what it likes, despite the fact you don’t apply this standard to any other country in the entire world, including to this one, is beyond me. I’ve given up thinking about it because the illogical stance does my head in. The only thing that can explain your collective position on this is mass hallucination that somehow, Israel deserves to be specially treated, and the only way that could possibly come about is through propaganda, decades of it.
  
  Normally, to cure oneself of participating in mass hallucination all one needs to do is recognise the bullshit. But you people can’t see the bullshit, because to consider it you need to stop feeling sympathy for Israel, and you can’t stop doing that because of the propaganda, so you pretend your position is logical, when really, it’s entirely emotion-based.
  
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  December 29, 2016 12:46pm
Jack5

Trump’s talking about a 10 per cent across-the-board import tariff.

If world trade liberalisation is about to go into reverse, NZ had better learn quickly how to manipulate our currency’s exchange rates.

How else to survive and sustain the extra million (s?) or so Kiwis our migration policies have allowed in?

The source of the Trump intention- the greatly named Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, of the Telegraph, via the Hooerald.
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December 29, 2016 11:35am
- SPC
  
  Given the trade imbalance, the USA makes the most money from tariffs. It would however advantage Airbus over Boeing etc if we all placed 10% tariffs on the US exports.
  
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  December 29, 2016 11:46am
- SPC
  
  This.
  “You can imagine how Trump’s tariffs might play out in the global oil markets. A 10per cent duty would instantly give shale frackers a cost advantage of $5.40 a barrel, undercutting the deal last month reached by Saudi Arabia and Russia to cut output.
  It would take even longer for the petro-powers to clear the record overhang of inventories. They would have to contemplate a grueling attrition, ultimately made worse by a decline in shipping as tariffs lead to a shortening of global supply chains. Vladimir Putin would live to regret his cyber-campaign for Mr Trump.”
  
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  December 29, 2016 12:04pm
SPC

The US Senate supports sanctions against Russia over interference in the US election.

And if enacted by legislation it would seem that POTUS Trump could not end them, as he would lack support to do so.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38452985
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December 29, 2016 11:51am
mandk

I have uncovered EAD’s real identity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9yGi5fOt6Q
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December 29, 2016 12:10pm
Hugh Pavletich

NEW ZEALAND: EIGHT (MORE) WASTED YEARS … MICHAEL REDDELL … CROAKING CASSANDRA

Eight (more) wasted years | croaking cassandra

https://croakingcassandra.com/2016/12/06/eight-more-wasted-years/

… extract …

… I was always a bit of a sceptic on John Key, but during that election campaign – in the middle of a recession and with the international financial crises as backdrop – the aspirations he spoke of occasionally resonated. The National Party has now taken down the link to the economic speech Key gave just a few days before the 2008 election but – naive as I perhaps was – I actually found this passage quite inspiring, and had it pinned above my desk at The Treasury for the following year or two.

I came into politics because I believed New Zealand was underperforming economically as a country. I don’t think it’s good enough that so many New Zealanders feel forced to leave our country each year to seek higher wages in Australia. I don’t think it’s good enough that our average incomes lag so far behind the rest of the world. And I think it’s unforgivable that the Labour Party has done so little to address these fundamental challenges.

I believe that a very big step change is needed in our economic performance to ensure New Zealand can make the most of its considerable potential. Growing the economy of this country continues to be my driving ambition. I stand before you today ready to deliver on that ambition for New Zealand.

You have my personal commitment that if I am elected Prime Minister in eight days’ time I will work tirelessly over the next three years to deliver the stronger economic future our country deserves.

I don’t doubt that he has worked tirelessly over the last eight years, but to what end? … read more via hyperlink above …

… John Key in The Wall Street Journal March 2009 …

New Zealand’s Prime Minister John Key Takes a Supply-Side Approach to the Global Recession – WSJ

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB123638162497057661

… Where is the accountability ? …
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December 29, 2016 12:25pm
- Hugh Pavletich
  
  Watch this and weep … JOHN KEY ON HOUSING REFORM BACK 2007 …
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWPgoAI1cLE
  
  GOOGLE SEARCH
  ‘John Key Housing Reform 2007’
  
  https://www.google.co.nz/?gws_rd=ssl#q=john+key+housing+reform+2007
  
  ‘ … Even John Key will be disappointed with his own performance … says NZ First Leader Winston Peters … view this interview …
  
  Winston Peters says John Key’s reasons for stepping down are not credible | VIDEO | 1 NEWS NOW | TVNZ
  
  https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/winston-peters-says-john-keys-reasons-stepping-down-not-credible
  
  Like the skipper of the Costa Concordia, John Key was the first to jump from the sinking ship.
  
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  December 29, 2016 6:17pm
Scott

Yes I’m hoping President Trump will do something about the UN which has become an antiwestern organization with a virulent hatred of Israel. Why should America host and fund such an anti American institution?

Regarding the merits of the Israel situation they are a tiny country the size of Canterbury. They have no more land to trade for peace. The land of East Jerusalem is not “occupied”, it is “disputed”. There is no nation state called Palestine nor has there ever been one. The land of the “Palestinians” is the country of Jordan.

What the Palestinians call “occupied” is the whole area of Israel. They will not be satisfied until Israel ceases to exist. The two state solution is only a way station towards the ultimate goal of the elimination of Israel.

Israel should stick to its guns and those of us who are Christian should support them. After all one day they will be grafted back in.
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December 29, 2016 12:31pm
- Kimbo
  
  The two state solution is only a way station towards the ultimate goal of the elimination of Israel.
  
  Then why did the Zionist negotiators for the soon-to-be state of Israel agree to it in 1947?! Scott, would you care to share with the pagans here on Kiwiblog the wording of the ninth commandment?
  
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  December 29, 2016 12:36pm
  - Fletch
    
    More importantly, why did the ‘Palestinians’ not agree if it is what they claim they want so badly now? (See their infamous Three No’s) They have been offered the same several times, including in 2000 at the Camp David negotiations, and turned it down. I think it suits them better to be the victim.
    
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    December 29, 2016 12:40pm
    - Kimbo
      
      I think it suits them better to be the victim
      
      First rule of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:
      
      Everyone plays the victim.
      
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      December 29, 2016 12:48pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ Fletch
      
      More importantly…
      
      Yet again, you can always tell the bullshit when Kimbo’s law is transgressed: “in blogworld the validity of an argument is in inverse proportion to the excessive and unnecessary use of adverbs”
      
      But ok, Fletch, I’ll give the opportunity to make the case. Why are the alleged actions of one party in 2000 more important in this conflict than…the 1947 UN partition plan by which Israel came into being? Just to corroborate: Was the period of 1947-2000 one of unbroken peace between the two parties?!
      
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      December 29, 2016 1:06pm
      - Fletch
        
        Not sure I understand you. In 1947 the plan was to divide the land equally – and it does look like a pretty equal division – http://eipa.eu.com/wp-content/uploads-peipa001/2013/03/Map-for-the-UN-Partition-Plan-For-Palestine-1947.png
        
        The Jews said yes, and the Arabs said no, and seven Arab countries (Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Yemen) attacked the new nation of Israel from every front. But Israel won.
        
        The ‘Palestinians’ had half the country offered to them and they declined because of their hatred for Israel. As such, they only have themsevles to blame.
        
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        December 29, 2016 1:35pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Fletch
        
        Not sure I understand you
        
        OK, let me help you join the dots.
        
        In 1947 the plan was to divide the land equally
        
        Yes…
        
        The Jews said yes…
        
        Which makes West Bank settlement a long-term incremental strategy to absolve Israel of her historic commitment – by which she herself came into existence in the first place! – to a two state solution.
        
        And now idiots like Scott are saying they (should) have the right to ignore that commitment. No, Israel does not have a peace agreement with the Palestinians. No, a peace agreement based on the original two-state partition plan is not on the table at present. No, Israel may not the major impediement to peace (although in this conflict, both parties have responsibility – including the original founders of Israel who knew very well what they were getting themselves into). A sure way to ensure conflict continues is for one or both sides to think they can “have it all” on their terms.
        
        But no, Israel’s security is not threatened by this latest UN resolution. If Israel stops settlement of the West Bank, their military control can remain in place indefinitely (they’ve had it for 49 years!). No more concessions need happen until both parties return to the bargaining table. The ball will be in Palestinian’s court to take the initiative, and compromise. The break-down in the 2000 talks need not be the last word. This resolution at least does what outsiders can to to keep the door open for both of the warring parties to walk through.
        
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        December 29, 2016 1:48pm
    - SPC
      
      The Palestinians were honest in 1947, they wanted a unitary state (had an Arab majority overall) that blocked further majority by Jews. The Arab armies fought to conquer the Jewish state once formed to realise this. While they were pushed out of the rest of Palestine in 1967 they tried again in 1973 and then Egypt and Jordan made peace. This led to the Oslo Accords.
      
      The problem for the PLO, forming a PA was that they would not abandon a claim of Palestinian refugees returning to the area ruled by Israel (the losers of the 1948 Arab army defeat).Thus the failure of peace talks since – knowing this Israelis could offer East Jerusalem as a capital for a Palestinian state knowing they would still reject the offer.
      
      However, once the 1948 refugees are all dead this might change – then the ambition of some Jews to claim East Jerusalem and surrounds and many other areas of the West Bank will become the prime roadblock. They will want to only share the Mount and offer this and parts of the West bank with Jordan. Leaving Gaza as the only area for a Palestinian state.
      
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      December 29, 2016 2:47pm
  - SPC
    
    Both 9th and 10th apply – not bearing a false witness and not coveting te land of your neighbours.
    
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    December 29, 2016 2:35pm
- Kimbo
  
  Israel should stick to its guns and those of us who are Christian should support them. After all one day they will be grafted back in
  
  You talk of “Israel”. The Jewish people…or the modern nation state of Israel situated in the Middle East? Or have you forgotten the two are not the same? Or that it is Christ’s Church – comprised of both Gentiles and Jews that constitutes, in New Testament terms, the “Israel of God”?
  
  Typical Dispensationalist sub-Christian crap, absolving Judao-Christians of following God’s commandments of faithfulness to the geo-political covenants they have made because “the unbelievers are untrustworthy”. Well, so too were the murdering Roman pagans of Jesus day…yet he rejected the chauvinism you are now peddling as Christian virtue.
  
  Again, Scott, are you starting to see why I hold you in contempt when you try and say what “Christians” should believe, say…and do?
  
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  December 29, 2016 12:42pm
- SPC
  
  Your opinion is why some Moslems see the West as using the Jews to serve another Crusade against them. And thus they resort to violence against us.
  
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  December 29, 2016 2:24pm
- SPC
  
  Yes the West is a minority in the UN, so is the left in western nations – but you do not see them throwing toys out of the cot and giving up on the democratic process/participation in the collective, nation and international organisation.
  
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  December 29, 2016 2:33pm
  - Duxton
    
    Actually, we are seeing precisely that from the left in the US at the moment….
    
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    December 29, 2016 11:39pm
stephieboy

Scott,

“There is no nation state called Palestine nor has there ever been one”

The nation of Israel ceased to exist when Hadrian booted them out c 136 AD

“The land of the “Palestinians” is the country of Jordan.”

Says whom ?

Trump a Christian ?
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December 29, 2016 12:35pm
- Fletch
  
  Says the Jordanians.
  
  ‘We are the government of Palestine, the army of Palestine and the refugees of Palestine.’ Prime Minister of Jordan, Hazza’ al-Majali, 23 August 1959
  
  ‘Palestine and Transjordan are one.’ King Abdullah, Arab League meeting in Cairo, 12 April 1948
  
  ‘Palestine is Jordan and Jordan is Palestine; there is one people and one land, with one history and one and the same fate.’Â Prince Hassan, brother of King Hussein, addressing the Jordanian National Assembly, 2 February 1970
  
  ‘Jordan is not just another Arab state with regard to Palestine, but rather, Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan in terms of territory, national identity, sufferings, hopes and aspirations.’Â Jordanian Minister of Agriculture, 24 September 1980
  
  ‘The truth is that Jordan is Palestine and Palestine is Jordan.’ King Hussein 1981
  
  Also it has been pointed out –
  
  Indeed, until 1970 the Palestine Liberation Organisation conducted terrorist operations against Jordan on the grounds that it was Palestine and the Hashemite minority was ruling the Palestinian majority. It was only after Jordan killed thousands of Palestinians in ‘Black September’ (and who in the west ever cared about that??) that Israel suddenly became the sole historic homeland’ of the Palestinians and Jordan was airbrushed out of the picture — and the fabrication of ‘Palestinianism’ became the accepted truth.
  
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  December 29, 2016 12:47pm
  - Reid
    
    Fletch why don’t you write to the UN and tell em you’ve cracked the problem, you’ve found the answer and here it is, and everyone can stop arguing and move onto something else, after all these decades.
    
    You may get the Nobel Peace prize for this, you know.
    
    Well done.
    
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    December 29, 2016 1:19pm
  - SPC
    
    Hardly surprising given that Jordan occupied the West Bank until 1967, however they stopped saying this after the Israeli-Egypt peace and they made their own with Israel – leaving it to Palestinians to be peace-partners with Israel in the Oslo Accords.
    And besides the Jordan claim was never recognised by the UN, and as you note the PLO also rejected it. It was the Jordan phase of the current IDF occupation mentality.
    
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    December 29, 2016 3:01pm
- pentwig
  
  you are trolling again steffie!
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:57pm
stephieboy

Fletch, so the area now ocupied by Isreal was pre 1948 exclusively occupied by Jews ?
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December 29, 2016 12:59pm
- pentwig
  
  explain that steffie
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:58pm
Fletch

A little timeline –

1937

The Peel Commission’s final report, published in July 1937, concluded that the conflict was insoluble within a single state. Instead, it proposed a second Palestine partition (the first being the 1921 severing of Transjordan from the rest of the mandate). The Jews were offered an independent state in a small enclave along the seacoast from Tel Aviv to the north of the country, constituting about 20 percent of the remaining mandate territory, while the Palestinian Arabs would get 80 percent for their own state. Desperate for any means to be able to bring in large numbers of the endangered European Jews, the Zionists reluctantly accepted the commission’s partition plan . Led by the mufti, the AHC rejected partition out of hand and pressed on with the armed revolt against the mandate. The Palestinians’ rejection of the Peel Commission recommendations that would have given them control of 80 percent of the disputed land stands out like a beacon in the history of the conflict. It puts the lie to the claim that the Zionists came to Palestine with dreams of conquest and dispossession of the indigenous people. And for the next 75 years, the same pattern would repeat itself again and again : Zionist willingness to compromise met by Palestinian rejection and Jew hatred.

1947

The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine (UNSCOP) 50/50 partition plan.
By a vote of 7 to 3, UNSCOP recommended a partition plan to the General Assembly. Zionist officials made it clear they would accept the plan, while the AHC offered the same three noes it had been repeating since the 1930s: no partition, no Jewish state, no Jewish presence on their Arab land. AHC official Jamal Husseini (the mufti’s first cousin) announced that if the U.N. tried to implement partition, “the blood will flow like rivers in the Middle East.” (Palestinians were very fond of the “rivers of blood” metaphor.) Fawzi al-Qawuqji, one of the military commanders of the 1937 Arab Revolt who had also spent the war years in Berlin, said that if the vote went against the Palestinians, “we will have to initiate total war. We will murder, wreck, and ruin everything standing in our way, be it English, American, or Jewish.” Shortly after the the U.N. vote, the 20-member Arab League appointed al-Qawuqji as the field commander of the newly organized Arab Liberation Army. As the ALA infiltrated into Palestine, Arab League Secretary General Abdul Rahman Azzam vowed, “This war will be a war of extermination and a momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongol massacres and the Crusades.” 10 Elements of five regular Arab armies – Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon – invaded Israel on May 15, 1948 . After a year of fighting, the Jewish state had won a decisive victory.

2000

At Camp David in 2000, Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak agreed to the borders suggested by President Clinton that would have established a West Bank/Gaza Palestinian state with some territorial adjustments and with the Palestinians getting East Jerusalem as their capital. Palestine Liberation Organization Chairman Yasser Arafat walked out of the negotiations, went back home, and launched the second intifada. Invoking Islamic Jew hatred as justification, the Palestinians conducted a three-year brutal campaign of suicide bombings against Israeli pizza parlors, wedding halls, and discotheques.

2008

In a September 2008 meeting in Jerusalem, then-Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert presented Abbas with a detailed map of a future Palestinian state that, with land swaps, would constitute close to 100 percent of the territory of the West Bank and Gaza prior to the June 1967 war. Olmert also offered to divide Jerusalem, enabling the Palestinians to locate their capital in the eastern half of the city. Olmert also made it clear, however, that he would never agree to the right of return for the 1948 Palestinian refugees – for the obvious reason that it would mean the end of Israel as a Jewish state. This had to be understood up front; otherwise, negotiations on the other issues could not be successful.
Promising to come back the next day for further discussions, Abbas took Olmert’s map to his Ramallah office (just a few miles outside Jerusalem) for his aides to study. But Abbas never returned with the map. This was the last time the Israeli and Palestinian leaders met.

See, in 1937 the Arabs even rejected an 80/20 split of the land in their favour.
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December 29, 2016 1:40pm
- Kimbo
  
  Correct.
  
  Your point? That the Zionists, including terrorists like the Lehi/Stern Gang plowed on regardless, when it was very clear that they were sowing the seeds of an on-going conflict?
  
  Oh, no, that wasn’t where your narrative was headed. But then that is why the “history” game is a waste of time in this conflict. Both parties use it for propaganda purposes. Time to get off that treadmill, and do what we can to help both parties move towards a compromise.
  
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  December 29, 2016 2:05pm
Reid

Well well well.

Haaretz reports tonight that it was actually the Brits that “encouraged New Zealand to continue pushing for a vote even without Egyptian support.” Israeli diplomats say that from information that reached the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem, British legal figures and diplomats had been working directly with the Palestinians on the wording of the resolution even before it was distributed by Egypt the first time on Wednesday evening.

The suspicion in Jerusalem is that the British had been working during all those days for the Americans to make sure the “resolution was to U.S. President Barack Obama’s liking, but without the need to intervene directly in formulating it.”

“We know how to read Security Council resolutions,” a senior Israeli diplomat said in the most non-diplomatic manner. “This is not a text that was formulated by the Palestinians or Egypt, but by a Western power.”

Western diplomats have confirmed to Haaretz that there is“no proof that it was the U.S. administration that was behind the whole move…”

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/2016/12/27/hot-off-the-press-britain-pulled-the-strings-behind-anti-settlement-resolution
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December 29, 2016 1:47pm
- SPC
  
  Either Israeli intell is over-rated or Netanyahu was deliberately lying that Obama was the one that did this.
  
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  December 29, 2016 2:20pm
  - Gabby
    
    Nuttyahoo wouldn’t lie. Snoflakes don’t lie.
    
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    December 29, 2016 9:17pm
Scorpion

I believe the Holocaust Happened

but the last one like the next that is coming
(very soon and Aotearoa is included)

was Mutual and inclusive.

What I find Amasing is that are people somehow
proposing that the Jewish Holocaust is justification for the recent Syrian Holocaust.

I call this line of argument “Holocaustianity”

The two H’s Hitler and the Holocaust didn’t start there and it sure as hell has not finished there has it.

The Jewish Holocaust is over but the German one continues.

Nearly everything in the 1941 Book Germany must Perish is and has been implemented esp by the EU.

We now have Saudi Arabia taking not one “Refugee” yet funding the building of 400 Mosques.

What I find Hilarious is you actually believe your
own BS and take it Seriously???

You people are only fooling yourselves if you think
you are safer and somehow more secure than the people in SYRIA.
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December 29, 2016 2:00pm
Scorpion

Hate to have to do this But Page 1 of Germany Must Perish is quite a read.

https://archive.org/details/GermanyMustPerish

This stupid book imho started the Jewish Holocaust and if not cranked it up 10 notches.

Sad but true?

Worth a read because the same sentiments are now being applied to every European Country
or every Country with Europeans (inc NZ) because somehow now conveniently all Europeans are the “New Natzis”??? because of the Holocaust and inspite of them losing millions of lives to stop
“The Holocaust”??????

<
Today's war is not a war against Adolf Hitler.
Nor is it a war against the Nazis.
It is a war of peoples against peoples; of civilized peoples envisioning Light, against uncivilized barbarians who
cherish Darkness.
Of the peoples of those nations who would surge forward hopefully into a new and better phase of life, pitted against
the peoples of a nation who would travel backward enthusiastically into the dark ages. It is a struggle between the
German nation and humanity.
Hitler is no more to be blamed for this German war than was the Kaiser for the last one. Nor Bismarck before the
Kaiser. These men did not originate or wage Germany's wars against the world. They were merely the mirrors
reflecting centuries-old inbred lust of the German nation for conquest and mass murder.
This war is being waged by the German People. It is they who are responsible. It is they who must be made to pay
for the war. otherwise, there will always be a German war against the world. And with such a sword forever hanging
overhead the civilized nations of the world, no matter how great their hopes, how strenuous their efforts, will never
succeed in creating that firm and solid foun- dation of permanent peace which they must first establish if ever they
intend to start the building of a better world.
For not only must their be no more German wars in fact; there must not even remain the slightest possibility of one
ever again occurring. A final halt to German aggression, not a temporary cessation, must be the goal of the present
struggle.
This does not mean an armed mastery over Germany, or a peace with political or territorial adjustments, or a hope
based on a defeated and repentant nation. Such settlements are not sufficiently conclusive guarantees of no more
German aggressions.
This time Germany has forced a TOTAL WAR upon the world.
As a result, she must be prepared to pay a TOTAL PENALTY.
And there is one, and only one, such Total Penalty: Germany must perish forever!
In fact — not in fancy!
Daily the truth is being impressed upon us by observation, and upon others less fortunate, by bombs, that the
German doctrine of force is not one based upon either political expediency or economic necessity. The personal
war-lust of those who lead the German people is but a component part of the war-lust which exists as a whole in the
German masses. German leaders are not isolated from the will of the German people because apart from this will
they could not come into being or exist at all. Their personal inspiration, the motivation, even the acquiescence to
their deeds are one and all drawn by German leaders from the very depths of the German national soul.
Far too often the claim has been made that the present German drive toward world-dominion is only street
gangsterism practiced on an organized national scale, deriving principally from the lowest classes, the dregs of
Germany. Such a claim is not sustained by facts, for the same lust, the same brute force which the Germans display
today under the rule of the so-called "low class Nazis," they also displayed in 1914, at a time when the "highest
classes" and the "noblest specimens" capable of being produced by the German nation, the Junkers, ruled that land.
And a vast number of Germany's intellectuals, another German "high-class," sat as members in the German
Reichstag!

<
When you read it swap out the Word Germany
for New Zealand to get an idea of other peoples
reality.
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December 29, 2016 2:10pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  “This stupid book imho started the Jewish Holocaust ”
  
  Rubbish. Hitler’s pogrom against the Jews started in 1936. It was in full swing in 1938 with Kristalnacht.
  
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  December 29, 2016 2:16pm
  - Scorpion
    
    Kristalnacht.
    
    Was an overzealous response to Sanctions and a
    World Wide Declaration of War against Germany.
    That I do not agree with.
    
    These Morons in America like the Morons of America today did nothing much for Jews Stuck in Natzi Germany.
    
    The Sanctions against Russia Serve the Same Purpose and resemble a Path to Force World War.
    
    Those who do not learn from History are destined
    to repeat it.
    
    And please please please do not tell me
    YOU GIVE Actually give a SH*T about Jewish people?
    
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    December 29, 2016 3:00pm
    - Don the Kiwi
      
      Get it right Scorpion.
      War was not declared on Germany till 1939 after Germany invaded Poland.
      Kristalnacht was in 1938 – over a year before.
      History lessons needed, my friend. 🙂
      
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      December 29, 2016 3:32pm
      - Scorpion
        
        German’s Don’t see it that way this is
        
        History Lesson Needed D O N
        
        https://archive.org/stream/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933/JewsDeclareWarOnGermany1933_djvu.txt
        
        For a Start I was not mentioning Dates
        all I said was that book either started the Holocaust if it had not already made it a bad situation worse.
        
        Seeing as you are so up on History
        1916 Hitlers List Regiment
        
        Look up the Song they used to Sing as the Came in?
        
        This Didn’t Start with Hitler and it sure as hell
        did not end with him.
        
        You know about as much as who is that Guy
        what is his name
        how did he ever find work again
        
        JOKE Anderson
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:37pm
  - SPC
    
    Hitlers war on the Jews began with propoganda – Mein Kampf.
    
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    December 29, 2016 4:05pm
Don the Kiwi

Something to give our atheist friends something to beat up on. 🙂

Does God Exist? 4 New Arguments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIorXcloIac
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December 29, 2016 2:11pm
- thedavincimode
  
  Don, I gave a nano second of thought to clicking on that link and decided I just couldn’t be fucked. But you watch it as often as you like.
  
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  December 29, 2016 2:32pm
- Kimbo
  
  Does God Exist? 4 ~~New Arguments~~ attempts to recycle Thomas Aquinas’ proofs for the existence of God
  
  Fixed that for ya…
  
  But then we Calvinists were the theists who kicked away Aquinas’ ladder directly linking reason to faith. Reason can and does inform faith, but there is not the seamless transition between the two as per Thomistic/Aristotelian theology. Ultimately, faith is “alien”, a gift granted and worked in us by the sovereign God of salvation.
  
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  December 29, 2016 2:53pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Mmm…….and Calvinism makes up what percentage of Christianity?
    
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    December 29, 2016 3:26pm
    - Kimbo
      
      By that line of reasoning, Islam must be one of the most theologically-correct religions in the world?
      
      Quality, not quantity, my dear Don 😉
      
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      December 29, 2016 3:40pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Except that John Calvin came along sixteen hundred years after Christianity was instituted by the Son of God – mmmm……
        
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        December 29, 2016 4:55pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Just as righteous King Josiah was appointed by God to reform the worship of God’s people back to that which had been originally instructed by Moses some 800 years before. And like Josiah, Calvin did it according to…the Scriptures, that had been hitherto hidden from the people.
        
        So I see your “mmmm…”, and raise you 😉
        
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        December 29, 2016 5:08pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Just a considerable difference between Moses, and King Josiah who acted on God’s instructions, and Jesus – the Word of God who dwelt among us. I believe he told Peter and the apostles that he would be with them all days till the end of the world, and He sent the Holy Spirit to enlighten them and guide them.
        So was Jesus telling fibs?
        If the Church was wrong and needed Calvin to put them right, that means that the Holy Spirit was not with the Church from the beginning. So how did Calvin know that the Holy Spirit was with him?
        So many questions – so few answers 😉
        
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        December 29, 2016 5:31pm
      - Kimbo
        
        I believe he told Peter and the apostles that he would be with them all days till the end of the world, and He sent the Holy Spirit to enlighten them and guide them.
        So was Jesus telling fibs?
        
        He he he. No, but I’m enjoying how you are setting up your false premise 😉
        
        If the Church was wrong
        
        …and the church has been wrong – on many things
        
        …and needed Calvin to put them right, that means that the Holy Spirit was not with the Church from the beginning. So how did Calvin know that the Holy Spirit was with him?
        
        You have conflated and then confused the Apostles – on whom the church was built, and the church. Just as Moses was not Israel, and the same Holy Spirit, albeit not in his fullness, guided both. God may be perfect, but this side of Christ’s return, his people and institutions, in both the Old and New Covenant age, are not.
        
        So many questions – so few answers ?
        
        Oh, I don’t think it is so much the paucity of answers, more like they do not match the (flawed, IMHO) plausibility structure from whence your questions spring 😉
        
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        December 29, 2016 5:42pm
  - SPC
    
    That gift to the elect, the gift to those justified by receiving it – or those who have it (faith) justified and then being one of the elect?
    
    In the beginning there were those who heard and believed and they joined to a tradition of those raised in the faith of their fathers. But in some outer court, than those of the bloodline.
    
    Then the Catholic Church became the new establishment of those raised in the faith of their fathers and then later groups were created by their faith that they did not have to be Catholics to be of
    faith in God.
    
    And in this there is a pattern fully repeated. Except many from few and then few from many.
    
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    December 29, 2016 3:55pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”Ultimately, faith is “alien”, a gift granted and worked in us by the sovereign God of salvation.”….
    
    aka…..”gullibility”.
    
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    December 29, 2016 5:36pm
Scorpion

This plot to kill 6 million Germans after the War
by poisoning the Water Supply is a Cracker

People driving trucks and their Brakes Failing at Christmas time are the least of your Worries?

HolodomorInfo.com

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWA9CroNIQQ

6 million here
10 million there
20 million there
50 million here

When does it stop?
tick, tock, tick, tock, tick, tock

Them people driving the trucks will soon
have access to nukes and your water supply?
???
as if the “zombie juice” they already put in
your water to lower your iq and make you
passive infertile and compliant is not bad enough.

And if they want to “Sterilise you all” as in
“Germany Must Perish” the use a……
Painless Vaccination……

Why are fertility rates dropping I wonder??
Hmmmm?

Remember we are the Good Guys into the
Gulag.

And the Chinese Communists who took out
50+million of their own have New Zealands
best interests at Heart

Putin is the new Hitler Putin is the New Hilter
Arghh Let’s all panic

we need another Holocaust

Quick
let’s line up some Nukes on the Border and see
what happens next?
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December 29, 2016 2:39pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  Hi. You are new I see…
  
  Can I please be the first to call you a fuckwit, nutter and complete wanker.
  
  Welcome to KB
  
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  December 29, 2016 4:15pm
- stephieboy
  
  Scorpion
  
  “This plot to kill 6 million Germans after the War
  by poisoning the Water Supply is a Cracker..”
  
  ?????
  
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  December 29, 2016 4:37pm
  - pentwig
    
    please tell us why steffie
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:00pm
Manolo

The network acknowledges and thanks the stephieboys for their contribution:
http://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/2016-ratings-fox-news-channel-is-cable-tvs-most-watched-network/315009
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December 29, 2016 2:50pm
Scott

Thanks for your time line fletch, well worth reading. To me it seems that the hatred towards the Jews make a peace process impossible. The Palestinians and the Arabs and the Muslims all hate the Jews and that’s why they have rejected every peace proposal.
Israel should stay strong, continue to put facts on the ground in the settlements and reject any notion that parts of the West Bank should be free of Jews. Why should Jews not be allowed to live on the west bank?

Unfortunately here in the West there are many who hate the Jews as well as clearly can be seen on this thread.

Anyway Israel will soon have a powerful friend in the white house and things will change for Israel then.

Why NZ had to get itself involved when we have no vital interest in this conflict is a mystery to me?
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December 29, 2016 3:00pm
- Kimbo
  
  To me it seems that the hatred towards the Jews make a peace process impossible.
  
  You talk like it is a one-way street – yet your attitude to the annexing of land that the Zionist negotiators agreed in 1947 – as a condition of their own state’s existence -that is should be reserved for an Arab state is a similar attitude that they deserve nothing but “ethnic cleansing”
  
  The Palestinians and the Arabs and the Muslims all hate the Jews and that’s why they have rejected every peace proposal.
  
  Yeah, like the one with Egypt that has lasted since 1978. or that with Jordan.
  
  Why should Jews not be allowed to live on the west bank?
  
  Same reason Israeli law currently excludes Palestinian refugees from 1948 returning to Israel, and as affirmed by the Israeli negotiators at the 2000 Camp David talks. For demographic reasons it is antithetical to Israel’s long-term viability, just as morsel-by-morsel annexation of the West Bank makes a Palestinian state nonviable. But for some reason it is different in your and Netanyahu’s mind when Palestinian negotiators try and apply the same principle?!
  
  Unfortunately here in the West there are many who hate the Jews as well as clearly can be seen on this thread.
  
  Ho, hum. Crack pots like Reid and EAD count as “many”?! Hey, Scott, we tolerate you as well.
  
  Anyway Israel will soon have a powerful friend in the white house and things will change for Israel then.
  
  Ho hum. So much for your “pro-Israeli” stance. Trump will only be there for a maximum of 8 years. The bedrock Israeli position – no one else is responsible for her security, but Israel. Not even the USA…
  
  Why NZ had to get itself involved when we have no vital interest in this conflict is a mystery to me?
  
  And yet again you confirm your wilfulness to even contemplate an alternative that contradicts your prejudices and plasubility structure. An “Israel takes it all” solution is not in Israel’s long-term interests, West Bank settlement is an attempt to do that, and as an honest broker and good friend of Israel, we are doing what we can to influence her to forsake her paranoia and ethnic chauvinism.
  
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  December 29, 2016 3:18pm
- SPC
  
  I agree, there should be a right for Jews to live and work in all areas of the West Bank.
  
  But this should be either as Palestinian citizens or by an arrangment by which citizens of the two nations have the right to live and work in the other – a common economic and labour market
  
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  December 29, 2016 3:33pm
Scott

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/12/netanyahu-responds-to-kerry.php

Netanyahu makes a great speech in response to American Secretary of state John Kerry.

The Israeli prime minister says the conflict is not about houses and settlements but about Israel’s right to exist.

Actually that’s a good question. Does Ead and Reid and stephieboy and Mikey and Kimbo believe Israel has a right to exist?
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December 29, 2016 3:05pm
- Reid
  
  The Israeli prime minister says the conflict is not about houses and settlements but about Israel’s right to exist.
  
  He might say that but that doesn’t make it true.
  
  What a hysterical school girl.
  
  You’d have to be mental to think that, wouldn’t ya.
  
  Yes I think Israel has a right to exist, duh. I also think we have the right to require it to behave the same way the rest of us do. Apparently this is where I and many of you differ, but whose correct and who isn’t on this question?
  
  So far, not one of you has told me why my position is unreasonable, and I suspect this is because you can’t. Which does by your omission make your position the unreasonable one, doesn’t it. Don’t bother answering, because the answer is, yes it does. Your position is nutso, ipso facto mental, in-sane as-in not sane, just so plain wrong on every single level logic itself may collapse under the pressure you’re putting on it.
  
  So there.
  
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  December 29, 2016 3:25pm
- SPC
  
  Yes. 1947.
  
  Do you think Palestine does (clue also 1947)?
  
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  December 29, 2016 3:28pm
- Kimbo
  
  Actually that’s a good question. Does …Kimbo believe Israel has a right to exist?
  
  Scott, you are a prick.
  
  Yes.
  
  Yes.
  
  Yes.
  
  I have repeated it and asserted it many times. You stupid, ignorant, non-observant dickhead. I’ve even said that I don’t think Israel should have to turn over the West Bank now. Indeed, Palestinian intransigence and refusal to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist and agree to peace may mean it can never be returned.
  
  But unlike you, and Netanyahu, and other jibbering conservatives barking like Pavlov’s dogs, I’m not buying Netanyahu’s crap that Israel’s security is on the line over the issue. And neither is our government. Israel didn’t need the West Bank to defend herself or her existence from 1948-67. And that was before they got nukes!
  
  Now, as I’ve pointed that out to you directly just a few a days ago, and in light of my willingness to apologise to you in the past, Scott, I think you owe me an apology for your (deliberate?) failure to pay attention, and calling into question that which I’d made clear many times before.
  
  Over to you….
  
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  December 29, 2016 3:30pm
  - Scott
    
    Not apologising at all. You just keep calling me names. I used to think you were a reasonable fellow but now I find you a little unhinged.
    
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    December 29, 2016 5:43pm
    - Kimbo
      
      You just keep calling me names.
      
      No, Scott, there is no “just” about it. Calling you names is the icing on top.
      
      I pointed out that I have reiterated my position on a number of occasions, sometimes even directly to you (in response to your questions!), and yet, having trawled for answers from others, you chose to ignore what I wrote, and now you ask your “have you stopped beating your wife” question of me.
      
      That is dishonest and deceitful, and as a result you deserve every name you get.
      
      Now, kindly stop playing the dishonest pie-eyed pious fool, and apologise.
      
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      December 29, 2016 6:02pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    Will any of these idiots who think they have the solution to the clusterfuck that is Israel/Palestine ever stop to think that whatever shit they spout on Kiwiblog won’t make a blind bit of difference?
    
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    December 29, 2016 7:45pm
Fletch

Carrie Fishers mother has died

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/entertainment/debbie-reynolds-dies-one-day-after-daughter-carrie-fishers-death
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December 29, 2016 3:06pm
Reid

Check stuff right now. Their breaking news story is debbie reynolds’ death. The quake gets two lines. Typical.
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December 29, 2016 3:49pm
- SPC
  
  It was a small after shock. No one will die tomorrow because of it.
  
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  December 29, 2016 4:09pm
Reid

Very good explanation of pizza gate and what it represents.

I know you guys don’t believe it when I’ve told you the intel services use child sex slaves to blackmail politicians because this lets you control them 100%. Well pizza gate is deeply linked to a CIA black op.

From a close analysis of all the evidence regarding James Alefantis, which is posted on the Internet, it’s now crystal clear that he WAS running a full-blown CIA black op. As previously mentioned, anyone who can command front page articles in The New York Times, The Washington Post and the BBC News must be very powerful indeed…as in CIA-directed and financed, for it is only The Company that could have effectuated such a highly coordinated defense executed by the major MSM organs of propaganda. And for a guy who should be investigated like there’s no tomorrow—because there isn’t for many of the children who get caught up in these pedo-rings.

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=60679

This does go on. Look at the UK investigation and how it somehow manages to fuck it up time after time, never getting any traction. For instance.

This blog has a lot of data on the UK side:
http://aanirfan.blogspot.co.nz

and this one gives an outline of Hollyweird goings on…
https://intheknow7.wordpress.com

This is what they do, and pizza gate is a crack into that world, worthy of them launching the fake news meme, it’s that significant, as the article explains.
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December 29, 2016 5:07pm
- SPC
  
  Random thoughts.
  
  Why would I read these links after clicking others you provided about New York police discovery of evoidence of Hilary, Weiner’s wife and some teenager in a three way?
  
  Yes, politicians use influence to cover up stuff (about either themselves or their party colleagues).
  
  Yes people get blackmailed, the KGB/FSB to western politicians and vice versa. And they might even blackmail their own. But creating operations to gather perps to become their controlled agents within parties and government – why would the wider party or government or nations put up with that?
  
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  December 29, 2016 5:20pm
  - Reid
    
    What if they were all doing it SPC. What if that’s what you had to do, to get ahead? And as you will read, they have ways to compromise those who prove otherwise uncompromisable.
    
    I don’t know what you’re talking about on the links unrelated to this post, and I don’t much care, either.
    
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    December 29, 2016 5:29pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , what if Pizzagate is just a conspiracy fantasy ( it actually is ) which some loon and goon ( Maddison Welch ) took an AR 15 assault rifle to Comet Ping Pong did a shoot up and found nothing !
      
      http://www.salon.com/2016/12/05/armed-gunman-investigates-d-c-pizzeria-comet-ping-pong-because-of-bogus-hoax-perpetrated-by-donald-trump-fans/
      
      Did your links cover that absurd debacle ?
      
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      December 29, 2016 6:58pm
      - pentwig
        
        are you mad steffie
        explain your reasoning for goodness sake!!
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:03pm
Don the Kiwi

Mike Huckabee lambastes John Kerry over the UN resolution against Israel and explains succinctly why it was wrong.
http://video.foxnews.com/v/5264260572001/?#sp=show-clips
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December 29, 2016 5:20pm
- Reid
  
  Yes it’s very wrong indeed to expect Israel to comply with international law like everyone else.
  
  It’s almost unthinkable to expect that.
  
  How dare the world do this. Demand a fellow nation behave the same way they all do? How fucking unreasonable is that! How dare they! Doesn’t the world realise who its talking to? WTF is wrong with this stupid world thing anyway, the whole thing’s broken, and it’s not fair!
  
  Does that about sum up his tirade Don?
  
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  December 29, 2016 5:33pm
- cha
  
  Huckabee’s an end times extremist whose support for Israel has nothing to do with Jews and everything to do with his need for Jews to fulfill his end times body count so he can get himself raptured.
  
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  December 29, 2016 6:30pm
  - Kimbo
    
    Was amused by his map, saying Israel is about 1/600th of the land mass occupied by the Muslim Middle East, “so why can’t Israel have some of it (including West Bank settlements!)”
    
    Hmm. I wonder if Huckabee would be as keen if it was parts of the USA, especially his state of Arkansas out of which a Jewish homeland was to be carved…without his agreement and/or permission.
    
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    December 29, 2016 6:46pm
- stephieboy
  
  “End Times Really Are Upon Us: Mike Huckabee Might Be Trump’s Ambassador to Israel”
  
  “The biblical rapture is actually sounding more and more appealing these days, so maybe we should all be encouraged by reports that Donald Trump may appoint former Arkansas governor and prominent evangelical Zionist Mike Huckabee as ambassador to Israel….”
  
  Read on . Huckabee is certainly a strange one rapture and all,
  
  http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/11/18/mike_huckabee_might_be_trump_
  
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  December 29, 2016 6:51pm
  - pentwig
    
    just plain silly steffie
    good grief
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:04pm
- Gabby
  
  Hucksterbee’s full of donkey wee.
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:51pm
Awww C-mon

While I am not opposed to mocking and trolling a few conspiracy theorists I am also not opposed to being a total hypocrite, so here goes….

Also, totally my own imaginations so don’t expect any links to bullshit websites full of wankery.

What if the UN call by McCully was a back room deal that Obama wanted and was the price NZ had to pay for one last TPPA push before the Don takes the Whitehouse?

On that Note, ACM theory two… Trump is going to be the face, Ivanka (is that the daughters handle? the hot one with brains?) will really be calling the shots and is going to have a run in 8 years time to be the first woman POTUS, while her hubby will be officially the most acclaimed cuckold in US history…

right, no more typing… DAK… (drunk at keyboard)
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December 29, 2016 5:45pm
Scott

Reidy is there a conspiracy theory you don’t subscribe to?
Anyway regarding Israel the territory is disputed, not occupied. The UN says that Israel building settlements in the eastern part of Jerusalem is illegal because they are occupying the land. Israel says the ownership of the land is disputed.
Which it is.
Israel has every right to build houses in Jerusalem.
And until the Palestinians actually believe Israel has right to exist there will be no progress on this issue.
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December 29, 2016 5:49pm
- Reid
  
  Anyway regarding Israel the territory is disputed, not occupied.
  
  Scott apparently it is occupied. They’re called Settlements, apparently.
  
  That’s why there’s a dispute, you see.
  
  Because they’re not inside the Israeli border, you see.
  
  International Law and all that, you see.
  
  Apparently this is the problem. Quite the conundrum, isn’t it.
  
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  December 29, 2016 5:53pm
Old.Mickey.Blue.Eyes

WTF – accidently watched TV3 news for the first time in over 6 months…..moment of weakness due to shite cricket and 6 beers……..low and behold, an idiot mother complaining about a toy that wasnt quite right which she bought for $190, twice the rrp….this hatching toy, didnt hatch on its own…..heaven forbid the idiot mother and child had to show some resilience and use their fingers to open the stupid toy…….WTF passes for news these days…..wait for it, next story, a jumping cow – cant wait for SPCA to get onto this. Visitors to NZ must wonder what goes on here……
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December 29, 2016 6:19pm
Reid

Great summary of the current evidence for what I’ve been telling you for years, the US is arming ISIS.

Evidence is overwhelming sheeple. Yes, I know you’re waiting for a ‘reliable’ source to tell you this so you can start believing it on your very own, but remember what the very same ‘reliable’ media just did over the US election? Remember that? Of course you do… Bear in mind media like the below was the one that was right about the election, and many other things too. Not sure if that’s important, but it’s true.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/12/evidence-backs-erdogans-claim-that-hillary-armed-isis/
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December 29, 2016 6:23pm
- stephieboy
  
  Reid , whats missing is the actual physical evidence that the US armed ISIS. An assertion or a claim simply by who ( including Erdogan ) won’t do .
  
  The simple matter is that US led assault against ISIS’s strong hold, Mosul demolishes those and your own stupid claims,
  
  http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-mosul-latest-battle-iraq-city-centre-attack-a7459641.html
  
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  December 29, 2016 6:38pm
  - pentwig
    
    good grief steffie
    you are a most gullible person
    
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    December 29, 2016 10:07pm
- mikenmild
  
  Wingnut Daily? Bound to be right then.
  
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  December 29, 2016 6:42pm
cha

Heretic ahoy!.

http://theresurgent.com/an-actual-trinity-denying-heretic-will-pray-at-trumps-inauguration/
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December 29, 2016 6:50pm
- Kimbo
  
  Amusing. Mind you, the Republican candidate in 2012, Mormon Mitt Romney presumably also denied the Nicean doctrine of the Trinity (Mormons are tri-theists, and, then when you dig a bit deeper, polytheists with a vast pantheon of deities).
  
  So just as well the Founding Fathers, many of whom were Unitarians like Paula White, never made correct theology a test for office. And that included Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson! Which begs the question why something as biblically stupid and flawed as Dispensationalism “must be” incorporated as part of their foreign policy?
  
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  December 29, 2016 7:01pm
  - Reid
    
    Mormons also have special underwear they never take off, as well.
    
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    December 29, 2016 7:14pm
  - SPC
    
    Well after Joseph Smith was visited by two different beings who he recognised as the separate manifestations of God and his begotten, he had no choice but to becomea tritheist…
    
    Whereas Charles Russell saw nothing when visited by an invisible Jesus, but must have been convinced by what he heard as to his identity.
    
    Thus we have one who saw and heard (a right Rueben Simeon) and another who only heard (a mere Simeon).
    
    The next development occurred with the Pentacostals who were visited by the Holy Spirit – they saw and heard nothing so they spoke in tongues so others could hear them being joined by the presence of the spirit (being of Levi).
    
    As for praise of the Jews, the GOP is full of Zionist apologists who think the USA is blessed by and because of its service to Israel.
    
    And their servant word bearers either come to us two by two (Issachar and Zebulon) or they broadcast by television (sight and sound) or radio (just sound).
    
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    December 29, 2016 8:43pm
    - Kimbo
      
      You haven’t got Russell quite right.
      
      He never claimed any divine visitation/vision. Instead he deified reason/, or more precisely, uneducated “common sense”, took it to what his (very fallible, limited and wilful) cognitive ability told him was logical…and then baptised it as the true interpretation of God’s word. Is always amusing to see Jehovah’s Witnesses try and rescue the “plain sense” of the Bible from itself to show-horn into their belief system. Sure, every Judaeo-Christian belief system is susceptible to it, but with the JWs it is glaring.
      
      But Russell’s successor, Rutherford, was the one who took it to the next institutional level, much as Brigham Young did with the Mormons after Joseph Smith was murdered by a frontier-justice mob. Although, contrary to Mormon hagiography, Smith and his brother didn’t go as martyrs – they had guns in both hands and took some of their attackers with them.
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:28pm
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        Then again, he/they did teach that everyone would know when the Advent happened, just not by seeing it.
        
        And he believed in an Advent having occurred in 1874 (even if invisibly) before an invisible rapture in 1878. Thus the first Watchtower publication in 1879 as a herald of Christ’s presence
        
        Originally as taught by Russell, 1914 was the Armageddon date (in which “Christianity would be destoyed”).
        
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        December 30, 2016 6:33am
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        The first great crisis in the movement was when Rutherford began to teach the invisible presence of Jesus from 1914 instead of 1874 (first in 1930 and then as official belief in 1943), resulting in many leaving. The second was over questioning of the invisible presence since 1914 and the failed new Armageddon date of 1975 (when the new born of 1914 would be entering old age and the young adults would be dying off).
        
        They have since given up on even the latter 1914 date (which was itself based on a generation from the returning invisible presence in 1874).
        
        As for where this scion of invisible Adventism now is.
        
        “This Watchtower prophecy about the majority of the 1914 generation having their lives,
        “cut short by Armageddon”
        has clearly failed; which is more evidence that the year 1914 has nothing to do with Christ’s return, a war in heaven, the Battle of Armageddon, or for that matter, the Truth.”
        
        “Now, after admiting that 1914 has nothing to do with Christ’s return, there is nothing left to link the year 1914 to; except for the start of World war I, which the Watchtower Society said would lead to Armageddon:
        “The Battle of Armageddon, to which this war is leading, will be a great contest between right and wrong, and will signify the complete and everlasting overthrow of the wrong, and the permanent establishment of Messiah’s righteous kingdom for the blessing of the world…” (Watchtower Reprints, Apr 1, 1915 p. 5659)”.
        
        “We first considered that the great tribulation did not begin in 1914 but will start when the United Nations attacks Babylon the Great. Then, we reviewed why Jesus’ judgment of the sheep and the goats did not begin in 1914 but will occur during the great tribulation. Finally, we examined why Jesus’ arrival to appoint the faithful slave over all his belongings did not occur in 1919 but will take place during the great tribulation (Watchtower, July, 2013, “Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?”)”
        
        Where none of this is made known until Armageddon occurs – when the UN attacks Babylon the Great.
        
        Hardly consistent with what they had been teaching since 1919 when they began to be the sole organ of the truth to the world.
        
        “In the Book of Revelation Jesus said,
        “Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.” (Rev. 3:20, NIV)”
        
        Just do not expect this to be some teen who has been riding a bike, or someone carrying a book of interpretation of the book of Revelation, arriving two by two at your house door to warn you to leave Sodom and Gommorah before Armageddon comes.
        
        Nor those who claim they have the key to prophecy in their white race Israel nation identity (the harbinger of modern pro Zionist GOP politics) – more about making excuses for USA exceptionalism including inferring something sacred about the UK Crown and its former colony.
        
        A good clue is the ten commandments, those who cannot even understand the basis of the third commandment (not using as name for God in vain – any name for God is a breach of the first commandment where there is only one God, no need to diffentiate it from any other by giving the one God a name) are not reliable in their bible study witness.
        
        http://richkelsey.org/Jehovah's_Witnesses_1914_and_1919_Doctrines_Examined.html
        
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        December 30, 2016 6:44am
- mikenmild
  
  Burn her!
  
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  December 29, 2016 7:01pm
  - nasska
    
    We haven’t had a witch burning since 1727 Mike.
    
    The modern theists have obviously taken their eyes off the ball. 🙂
    
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    December 29, 2016 7:31pm
- SPC
  
  Like how the article writer fails to mention Jewish Godfaith, or note the faith of the Trump’s daughter and son in law.
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:30pm
Captain Mainwaring

Epic fail.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/88025364/ryugyong-hotel-pyongyang-north-korea-remains-a-mystery

200 years from now, this thing will still be there, empty, as a monument to the worldwide failure of communist doctrine. (unless the communist steel holding it up rots out first).
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December 29, 2016 7:30pm
Don the Kiwi

Thomas Sowell, at 86, has decided to call it a day. A few of this brilliant man’s comments:
1. “It takes considerable knowledge just to realize the extent of your own ignorance.”
2. “Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.”
3. “Much of the social history of the Western world, over the past three decades, has been a history of replacing what worked with what sounded good.”
4. “Each new generation born is in effect an invasion of civilization by little barbarians, who must be civilized before it is too late.”
5. “Some of the biggest cases of mistaken identity are among intellectuals who have trouble remembering that they are not God.”
6. “The problem isn’t that Johnny can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Johnny can’t think. The problem is that Johnny doesn’t know what thinking is: he confuses it with feeling.”
7. “Despite a voluminous and often fervent literature on ‘income distribution,’ the cold fact is that most income is not distributed: It is earned.”
8. “Going back a hundred years, when blacks were just one generation out of slavery, we find that the census data of that era showed that a slightly higher percentage of black adults had married than white adults.”

9. “The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals’ expansion of the welfare state.”
10. “The welfare state is not really about the welfare of the masses. It is about the egos of the elites.”
11. “I have never understood why it is ‘greed’ to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.”
12. “Since this is an era when many people are concerned about ‘fairness’ and ‘social justice,’ what is your ‘fair share’ of what someone else has worked for?”
13. “No one will really understand politics until they understand that politicians are not trying to solve our problems. They are trying to solve their own problems — of which getting elected and re-elected are number one and number two. Whatever is number three is far behind.”
14. “Racism does not have a good track record. It’s been tried out for a long time and you’d think by now we’d want to put an end to it instead of putting it under new management.”

And a bonus: “People who enjoy meetings should not be in charge of anything.”

Thomas Sowell, you will be sorely missed.
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December 29, 2016 7:35pm
- mikenmild
  
  He was a complete arsehole,so no surprises Don was a fan.
  
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  December 29, 2016 7:41pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Self praise is no recommendation, milkmaid.
    
    Take note of No. 1 – applies to you.
    
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    December 29, 2016 7:42pm
  - Captain Mainwaring
    
    For a complete arsehole, he seems to have said some rather intelligent things.
    Imagine if he was an incomplete arsehole, or not even any part of an arsehole?
    
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    December 29, 2016 7:50pm
    - Gabby
      
      He’d sound a bit like you but his yfront stains would be in the back.
      
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      December 30, 2016 8:55am
stephieboy

Don the Kiwi,

A sampling ,

5. “Some of the biggest cases of mistaken identity are among intellectuals who have trouble remembering that they are not God.”

Who do think he had in mind ? Trump ?

9. “The black family survived centuries of slavery and generations of Jim Crow, but it has disintegrated in the wake of the liberals’ expansion of the welfare state.”

Does Sowell suggest a return back to pre emanicpation ?

Family disintergated ? Dubious . A whole lot of complex factors at play there

BTW did Sowell benefit from the same welfare provsions to get a leg up as Dr Ben Carson ?

10. “The welfare state is not really about the welfare of the masses. It is about the egos of the elites.”

Thus both eg FDR and LBJ were purely driven by vainity and egoism ?

What piffle !

11. “I have never understood why it is ‘greed’ to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else’s money.”

If Sowell doesn’t like paying taxes he can exercise his right to vote the offending tax rises out

13 , Of course he was thinking particularly of Donald Trump and other Conservative politicians re Number 3 ?

Yeah right !

No mention of describing Obama as another Adolf Hitler !

Why the omission ?
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December 29, 2016 7:52pm
- pentwig
  
  I pity your life steffie.
  so sad
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:09pm
  - Gabby
    
    poor little merkin
    so droopy
    
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    December 30, 2016 8:53am
mikenmild

Sowell was prone to saying some mid-bogglingly stupid things:
Obama creating a relief fund after the Gulf disaster meant he was just like Hitler.
Thought that Iran would carry out a nuclear strike against the USA.
Believed Rachel Carson was a mass murderer (DDT ban bullshit)
On the plus side, he thought Trump was a complete phony.
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December 29, 2016 8:00pm
Don the Kiwi

Stephen Boyle,
you really are an incompetent, uneducated, illiterate and incomprehensive wanker.
Get back to head-banging in your mosque – it may drum some sound judgement into you.
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December 29, 2016 8:01pm
- mikenmild
  
  Well, that’s a comprehensive rebuttal. Not at all reflexive abuse from a fuckwit.
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:14pm
  - Reid
    
    It’s funny how often mm acts in concert with stephie. I think they like each other. Birds of a feather…
    
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    December 29, 2016 8:30pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , like you and EAD ?Holohoax etc , etc
      
      “If you lay down with dogs, you’ll get up with fleas.”
      
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      December 29, 2016 9:17pm
      - pentwig
        
        good grief!! steffie that is so sad
        
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        December 29, 2016 10:11pm
Manolo

Our multiculturalist wants the same, at least for the Auckland police:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/28/nyregion/new-york-police-department-sikh-beard-turban-policy.html?_r=0

In a nod to the growing number of South Asian Sikhs in New York City, the Police Department said on Wednesday that it would allow officers who belong to the religion to wear beards and turbans while in uniform — as long as the turbans are blue.
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December 29, 2016 8:15pm
- mikenmild
  
  For fuckwits who cannot Google:
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10531934
  
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  December 29, 2016 8:18pm
- Disaster Area
  
  The first Sikh Police Officer in the UK joined in 1970 and retired in 1989.
  The Home Secretary issued a statement in 1969 that basically said that if soldiers in WW2 could fight wearing a turban, then there was no reason a Police Officer shouldn’t be able to wear one.
  
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  December 29, 2016 10:43pm
Reid

Mole Reveals Terrorist Group’s Violent Plans For Donald Trump’s Inauguration

More Purple Revolution…

http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/12/28/mole-reveals-terrorist-groups-violent-plans-for-donald-trumps-inauguration/
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December 29, 2016 8:29pm
- SPC
  
  Disrupt the inauguration with the same success as in disrupting the two conventions earlier this year?
  
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  December 29, 2016 9:03pm
Manolo

Mamma Merkel feels the heat:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4070508/Merkel-punished-open-door-refugee-policy-backing-German-chancellor-s-party-crumbles-amid-surge-support-far-right.html

German Chancellor Angela Merkel has been punished for her open door refugee policy as new figures show support for her conservative CDU party continuing to crumble.

With 434,019 members at the end of last month the CDU has now slipped behind the social democrats with 13,000 people tearing up their party cards this year.
Many of them switched to the hard-right anti-immigration Alternative for Germany (AfD).
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December 29, 2016 8:58pm
Scorpion

I have Cracked it for you

Holocausts are all about
Moustache size

Hitler Small Moustache
6 Million

Stalin Big Moustache
34-49 who is counting

Genrikh Yagoda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda#/media/File:1936_genrich_grigorijewitsch_jagoda.jpg

Middle sized Moustache similar to Hitler
10 million

Got Nothing to do with Race Religion Politics

Reading the THE GULAG ARCHIPELAGO

Russians who lived under the Natzis and went to the Gulag/ concentration Camps viewed it that
way Big Moustache – Small Moustache

SAME BS

Which Means Chairman Mao
50= million
must have had one of these
at some stage maybe the people who put his
“Maori Cloak” in Te Papa can tell us

http://coolmenshair.com/2011/08/fu-manchu-mustache.html

Don Check the Dates on that will you

The Lesson is everyone need to
Shave with Occams Razor
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December 29, 2016 10:51pm
- Reid
  
  The issue is Scorpion it doesn’t really apply these days since moustaches have gone out of fashion, however, if you think about women and the size of their moustache you might have something.
  
  For instance Merkel has to be the biggest bitch on the block re: women in politics and I bet she’s got a pretty big moustache if you catch her without makeup in the morning.
  
  Then there’s the second biggest: new to the job so yet to prove herself but already looking seriously diabolical: May – you just wait for the mou to sprout on her as she gets into her stride.
  
  I’ll have a think about who else fits tomorrow, certainly Hulun, naturally. But good thinking Scorpion, new angles to the scientific toolbox are always appreciated.
  
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  December 29, 2016 11:41pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , DARPA finally got to you ?
    
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    December 29, 2016 11:45pm
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      What’s DARPA stephie?
      
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      December 30, 2016 12:04am
stephieboy

Reid, another crazy mind control conspiracy theory of yours where this link discusses .

10 Scary Facts About Mind-Control ,

plus the lunatic claim that President Obama was in the 1980s teleported to Mars ,

https://illuminutti.com/tag/darpa/

Your thought to be its first NZ born victim .

Yah !
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December 30, 2016 12:13am
Gabby

‘Reid’ was spawned in the Nether Pits of Hell of course.
Somewhere near Taupo.
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