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DifferentPerspective

Permanently outraged about Top Gear

Lol – you have to laugh at that caricature of a ‘fake news’ paper the Alt-Left Guardian. They whined long and hard about Top Gear and how deeply offensive it was to everyone and shouldn’t be funded by the BBC (even though it was the UK’s greatest export earner (satire – for stephie)).

However, now that:
– the new TG crashed and burned embarrassingly with the insufferable Chris Evans et al
– the deplorably un-PC Clarkson, Hammond and May were drummed out of the BBC (to all land massive payrises and freedom from censorship at Amazon) and a new show that receives huge critical acclaim

….. the Guardian is in full Hillary-mode, deplorably aghast at the homophobia of a comment about “not eating ice cream because it’s gay”.

Earth to the Guardian – they don’t give a flying f***. They are not accountable to the pedophile-harbouring BBC anymore. You and social justice bullies all over the world made them even richer than they dreamed of and the world is changing – attacking people for making weak ‘Dad’ jokes is no longer acceptable. PC bullying is on the way out – if you really are a progressive paper then you ought to frigging progress and get with the new normal!

Socialists – they just never learn!
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December 28, 2016 8:00am
- All_on_Red
  
  Clarkson’s Christmas Tweet
  ‘Happy Christmas to everyone. Except the Tierra Del Fuego people of Argentina. You lot can sod off.’
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:20am
- holysheet
  
  Hey dude, where is your compassion. These snowflakes are in mourning. Their public toilet cruising idol has just died and they feel the need to lash out at the rest of us who use these toilets for their proper use.
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:43am
- SPC
  
  Then again, the Grand Tour crew spend their time seeking publicity by being boys with toys who burn up carbon – petrol on flames to the applause of those not girls or liberals or lefties …
  
  And all the boguns who vote Trump love it …
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:17am
- waikatogirl
  
  SPC, who says girls don’t like TG?!
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:19am
  - SPC
    
    What for, the guy from Friends?
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:54am
- Inandout
  
  The studio audience were amused so that is all that counts really. May 2017 be the year that PC was dismantled.
  
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  December 28, 2016 12:46pm
- Peter
  
  Yes, the tide has indeed turned but the SJW, safe-space snowflakes of the dreary left have not realised it yet.
  
  There is a steamroller of truth heading right over the top of them.
  
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  December 28, 2016 1:27pm
mandk

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/87976358/grand-tour-cohost-richard-hammond-in-strife-over-ice-cream-is-gay-line

I’m offended.

Won’t someone give me a puppy to cuddle, and tell me everything is going to be all right?
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December 28, 2016 8:03am
- Awww C-mon
  
  You want offensive, duel fuel Falcons.
  
  Still not over that…. what a sad old git
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:09am
  - All_on_Red
    
    He’s a bit confused about McClaren (sic) too. Mind you , works driver Van Gisbergen in the 650 S GT3 getting the Lap record at Bathurst is a sight to behold.
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=k3nlWPMQTbg
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:23am
    - Dazzaman
      
      Awesome vid! That drive was f@%&en wild!
      
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      December 28, 2016 12:39pm
  - Colville
    
    A mate of mine has a duel fuel (LPG) 63 C AMG 4WD Merc. I thought the LPG sticker was a pisstake till he showed me the tank! Tank is cast to fit in the spare wheel space. Goes like a rocket for a few cents per Km.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:00am
- Colville
  
  I watched the video, very obviously scripted publicity stunt. Its just time for the Hamster to be the bad guy instead of (or as well as) Clarkson.
  
  Whatever gets the ratings I suppose.
  
  Disclosure. I like ice cream. 🙂
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:56am
  - Ed Snack
    
    Does anyone remember “Gaytime” icecream ?
    
    Mind you, wasn’t very nice icecream (by NZ standards).
    
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    December 28, 2016 11:48am
    - Inandout
      
      Gaytime was absorbed by General Foods at the time, but their ice cream was too sweet for me. There seems to be a plethora of ice cream brands about now, but Tip Top is still the best in the two litre range.
      
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      December 28, 2016 12:37pm
VicParking

When I was young it was common to call someone or something “Gay”. It wasn’t till I went to University did I realise of its SUPPOSED real meaning. What we have is a new generation applying their standards to a previous one, evan their own.
Yes it is wrong to mock someones sexuality but to me in my chidhood being “Gay” was not homophobic in any sense of the word.
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December 28, 2016 8:20am
- PhilBest
  
  Classic English literature is full of the term “gay”, back when it never meant anything other than an innocuous happiness or niceness, “the gay meadows in the springtime”, etc etc.
  
  I don’t know anything about when its modern meaning was coined, that might be an interesting story.
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:43am
  - peterwn
    
    I think it was adopted in the 1970’s by the male homosexual community somewhere as an euphemism and its use spread like wildfire. This hijacked the word as no one would now use it in its original sense.
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:51am
    - PhilBest
      
      Yes, I was not aware that it was ever used of, say, Oscar Wilde in his own time. If it had been, it would have been innocuously referring to his lighthearted attitude.
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:03am
    - waikatogirl
      
      GAY: = Good As You.
      
      It was in the 70’s this was adopted by homosexuals and they also instituted the code of wearing one earing in the ‘Right’ ear only to make themselves feel normal and accepted by society.
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:04am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      Did it not mean Got Aids Yet?
      
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      December 28, 2016 1:13pm
  - Reid
    
    I read once it stood for good as you and came out of San Francisco in the 60’s.
    
    I don’t know if that’s true or not.
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:52am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Gay (referring to homosexual) was undergoing this semantic shift from the 1890s
    http://rictornorton.co.uk/though23.htm
    
    But apart from usage in select communities (prison slang, literati) wasn’t really in general use until 1970s.
    
    Nowadays schoolkids use gay to refer to weak jokes, dorky kids etc….. with no sexual connotation whatsoever.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:22am
    - Ed Snack
      
      Maggy, it isn’t sexual as such, but it definitely refers to gay as in homosexual.
      
      These days, they’re not “supposed” to use it, but it still does get used.
      
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      December 28, 2016 11:49am
- Biscuit
  
  VicParking, I like to think I am equal-opportunist and that I don’t discriminate against anyone on the basis of age, gender, sexuality, religion, nationality, skin colouring, political persuasion, football team supported (and did you see that the good guys, Liverpool, had a 4-1 win this a.m., heh heh?), but I do have one major gripe with, if I may lump them together, the homosexual crowd:
  
  And that is that they have, perhaps unconsciously, destroyed the meanings of such great old words as ‘GAY’ (remember Fred Flintstone, in that series’ theme song, having ‘a gay old time’?) and ‘QUEER’ (as in that delightful old expression of something being so far out in left field that he/she/it was ‘as queer as a clockwork orange’…
  
  RAINBOW, too, is in dire danger of being similarly usurped…
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:49am
  - holysheet
    
    don’t forget the gaytime iceblock.
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:57am
    - SPC
      
      There was a gaytime ice cream cone
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:18am
    - howitis
      
      This is from Streets ice-cream in Australia
      30 sec ad
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Pq8TFptKR4
      
      punchline
      Its so hard to have a Gaytime on your own!
      
      From the same era (1980s) Our Rachael was flogging trumpet ice-creams
      
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      December 28, 2016 2:46pm
  - PhilBest
    
    “Gay” also used to be a relatively common first name, mostly for girls but even sometimes for guys (one of those odd cases like “Shirley” and “Claire” and “Meredith” that were also used for guys sometimes).
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:07am
    - Maggy Wassilieff
      
      for all you Paddy’s out there
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF-uZuce5R0
      
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      December 28, 2016 11:01am
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Maggy, that was gay.
        
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        December 28, 2016 7:51pm
- kowtow
  
  I see the Guardian are calling Carrie Fisher an “actor”. I didn’t know she played male parts.
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:57am
  - waikatogirl
    
    I understand the women of Hollywood now insist on being on equal terms as their male colleagues so prefer to be called actors rather than the feminine actress.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:09am
    - kowtow
      
      That’s not “equality” it’s just semantics and it is plain wrong.
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:22am
    - Nukuleka
      
      Rather as you refer to yourself as ‘girl’ when I might be bold enough to venture that you are not.
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:47am
  - waikatogirl
    
    Tell that to the ladies of Hollywood Kowtow and see what reaction you get. They would boycott you and your ‘sexist’ beliefs. //
    ?
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:23am
  - waikatogirl
    
    On the ‘cusp’ Nukuleka.
    One doesn’t have to act one’s actual age all the time!
    ?
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:47am
- mandk
  
  I don’t mind if homosexuals want to use the word “gay” to describe themselves, as long as no one complains about the word being used to mean brightly coloured, light-hearted, etc., or feeble and unimpressive.
  
  Homosexuals have no right to expropriate a word from the language. It doesn’t belong to them.
  
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  December 28, 2016 11:36am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    We can reclaim it back and all have a gay old time.
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PPf3aaZmUw
    
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    December 28, 2016 12:02pm
G152

Snow flakes abound
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December 28, 2016 8:20am
- All_on_Red
  
  Indeed they do…
  http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/27/fk-you-go-to-hell-georgetown-prof-loses-it-on-muslim-trump-voter/
  
  I quite like the “Orange Fuhrer” one- lol
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:42am
  - stephieboy
    
    All On Red , rather surpised you didn’t lose it too as you’re apt to do here rather deprressingly regurlaly .
    
    It would be great if there was an audio app that could allow posters here to listen to your rather effeminate mincy giggles .
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:32am
    - All_on_Red
      
      Merry Christmas Stephie
      http://www.dummies.com/education/language-arts/grammar/basic-english-grammar-for-dummies-cheat-sheet/
      
      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rX7wtNOkuHo
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:48am
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Red , working on that audio app ?
        
        http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/hilarious-moment-bbc-weather-presenter-8556795
        
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        December 28, 2016 9:50am
      - All_on_Red
        
        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1P526n6wfP4
        
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        December 28, 2016 9:58am
    - pentwig
      
      idiot
      is there not a mt roskill cafe calling for a pervert?
      
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      December 28, 2016 11:18am
- mandk
  
  Never mind, G152.
  
  With all the global warming we’re supposed to be having, life could get really difficult. The snowflakes will just melt because they’re just so pathetic and useless.
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:43am
  - G152
    
    Not if you believe half the nonsense coming out of the US.
    Universities have ‘safe places’.. where snowflakes are safe from dissenting opinions
    They want hundreds of ‘genders’ recognised…
    Lies are acceptable because the subject isn’t weird enough
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:55am
Longknives

I like Ice Cream! Especially a big,dripping Ben and Jerry’s on a hot day…
*Who knew Ice Cream was ‘Gay’?
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December 28, 2016 8:26am
- ross411
  
  How do you eat it? 😯
  – Gangbang style from a bowl?
  – Licking a phallic shaped object as it drips cream?
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:10am
VicParking

The failing newspaper has come back from their Xmas (Holiday) break with a vengence. “Lets stop dairy farmering and fuck NZ’s enconomy”, The government is only fixing the roads in Kaikoura for political reasons, and that the “loss of dignity for workers has been catastrophic.” They are also back to filling up their articles more and more with copy direct from the Daily Mail without checking the facts. Still there is one shining light, it still makes good kitty litter.
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December 28, 2016 8:35am
- PhilBest
  
  Expensive kitty litter, though
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:45am
- holysheet
  
  VP, here is a new years resolution for you.
  Repeat after me;
  I will not buy or read this piece of shit that is the herald
  I will not buy or read this piece of shit that is the herald
  I will not buy or read this piece of shit that is the herald
  I will not buy or read this piece of shit that is the herald………………
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:48am
- Paulus
  
  My wife tears out the page of this ???Woman’s diatribe so that I will not get annoyed.
  
  I cannot canned the paper, one of the NZME brood, as she wants the crossword after lunch every day.
  
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  December 28, 2016 1:29pm
Tauhei Notts

I asked my local councillor whether the District’s public toilets would be closed today as a mark of respect for the late George Michael.
He told me to phuck off.
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December 28, 2016 8:35am
Don the Kiwi

If ice cream’s ‘gay’, I’m a raging poofter – I love ice cream 😆
Almost as much as a good beer – say Panhead Pilsener.
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December 28, 2016 8:35am
MT_Tinman

Strange as it seems this is the second time this week I’ve heard the “… couldn’t eat a chocolate Magnum in here” analogy used in a car program.

Has the world run out of one-liners?
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December 28, 2016 8:37am
Happychappy

What amuses me is they make a song and dance about stupid comments relating to Gays that a lot would not know the meaning that it has been referred to and allow people to call our Police Force Pigs which is also degrading and not a word is said.
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December 28, 2016 8:38am
PhilBest

Is anyone else getting a bit tired of Road Policing’s focus on punitive measures against drivers of modern cars doing 108 km/h on clear patches of road in fine weather?

The slogan is “the road toll must come down”, but it does not even pass the smell test, that spikes in the road toll, eg at holiday time, are anything to do with people getting up to 108 km/h when they have safe opportunity to do so.

The spikes in the “road toll”, I have observed, are mostly contributed to by things like a kid getting run over in the driveway of the family home; someone fooling around on a farm motorbike offroad; someone doing donuts on the beach in a ute with drunk guys on the back; an elderly pedestrian getting knocked over on a suburban street; someone who didn’t look at all when going straight through at a roundabout; someone with their entire family on board doing a u-turn straight under a logging truck; and now a bus going over a bank with multiple fatalities.

If you net out the “people just being brainless” factor and the “nothing to do with the roads at all” factor, and calculated the accident rate relative to the sheer numbers of cars on the national road network, I bet the rate is LOWER at holiday time, and I especially bet the rate of deaths “due to speeding” is also lower. Fact is that most people spend most of this time unable to even travel at the legal limit.

Even the assumption that “frustrated drivers end up taking risks” and have head-on crashes trying to pass slowpokes, does not seem to be borne out by the actual stories surrounding the deaths.
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December 28, 2016 8:58am
- ross411
  
  It’s not one rather than the other. That they should be off looking for random events in the wopwops, rather than observing risky drivers in general (this includes speeders), is a rhetorical leap.
  
  People should be safe on the roads, and if they can’t follow the rules, then they should stay off them. Whether that’s speeding, or tailgating, or whatever.
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:13am
- pdm
  
  The 3 killed in/near Christchurch a few days ago is a clear example of a disaster which could only be avoided by good parenting and teaching right from wrong.. The driver was alledgedly 14 for gods sake.
  
  That disaster is not reflective of the road toll but is a `one off” which is likely to happen at any time and no amount of policing will stop it..
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:23am
  - howitis
    
    Exactly.
    5 kids. The three dead were not wearing seatbelts. The idiot got airborne for 14 metres in a Nissan Tiida with 5 people on board and took on a Macrocarpa tree.
    
    So many factors that have zero to do with driving 3 km/hr over the speed limit and a lot to do with Darwin.
    
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    December 28, 2016 2:53pm
- stephieboy
  
  PhiBest, if only we could learn to be” perfect”like you that would bring the road toll down to zero.
  
  But then there would likely be more cruxcifictions too.
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:38am
  - Nukuleka
    
    ad hominem attacks are your forte- they are neither attractive nor do they advance any argument.
    
    ‘crucifixion’, by the way.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:52am
    - pdm
      
      Fiction is more stephieboy’s go.
      
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      December 28, 2016 12:19pm
  - DifferentPerspective
    
    Nasty left shows it’s true colours (again and again and again and again).
    
    PB made a valid point – you deployed your usual response when faced with an “OMG I can’t think of any rational way to refute that sensible position” situation – you insulted.
    
    But again – thank you! You keep on showing why the Left is in the political wilderness.
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:04am
    - Happychappy
      
      You only have to read the interview from the obese Co Leader of the Greens on the next General Election in Stuff today. Between Andrew Little and this moron it going to be a laugh finding out which over sized ego will win and how the public will adapt to the idea of two out of their depth politicians wanting their vote.
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:27am
      - Gabby
        
        Bit crappy when a fatarse chappy is calling people obese.
        
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        December 28, 2016 10:29am
  - pentwig
    
    fool that you are daffy
    
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    December 28, 2016 11:47am
holysheet

someone fooling around on a farm motorbike offroad
Ahem, since when did an accident on a bike on a farm affect the “Road Toll”?
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December 28, 2016 9:06am
- PhilBest
  
  My point exactly. That was admittedly in last year’s holiday season’s numbers, but it was in there as part of the “road toll” along with all the other highly tenuous “death” justifications of the Plods punitive and revenue-gathering actions against speed, speed and speed.
  
  It is a pity that there is no way to gather revenue from catching people behind the wheel of a vehicle with brains in “stupid” mode. It is a plague but mostly results in inconvenience to other road users rather than deaths.
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:11am
  - mikenmild
    
    The road toll definitions obviously need to be consistent to be meaningful. Excluding some, or including others, would be fine. It’s the overall trends that are more important.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:26am
    - PhilBest
      
      My point is that an opportunistic leap is taken by the authorities, directly from “deaths”, to draconian and punitive and revenue-gathering measures against drivers based on the one factor that is barely implicated at all in the actual spike in deaths.
      
      In fact NZ drivers are mostly saints, to put up with the piss-poor developing-country road system and not create mayhem through frustrations boiling over. That is the myth, but what is truly remarkable is that it is not the reality, going by the actual stories relating to the deaths.
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:33am
      - stephieboy
        
        PhilBest, a bit of your exceptionalsim coming through. Or more likely an excuse to have a whinge binge ?
        
        The road code and road infrstructure tailored specifically to your neeeds and tastes ?
        
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        December 28, 2016 9:42am
      - holysheet
        
        Stupidboy why don’t you go and find a tree to jump out in front of you while driving?
        
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        December 28, 2016 9:48am
      - PhilBest
        
        There is absolutely nothing stephieboy won’t defend, I am wondering whether he is a righty doing a parody of a PC lefty nanny statist.
        
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        December 28, 2016 1:08pm
  - holysheet
    
    If they implemented the “brains in stupid mode” count, you would never have enough numbers to count them all.
    
    They are like snowflakes, every where you look, they are there.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:46am
    - stephieboy
      
      As you say, Holy excrement !
      
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      December 28, 2016 11:32am
      - pentwig
        
        idiot daffy
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:49am
Captain Mainwaring

What’s this PC gone mad “Happy Holidays” crap being spouted by Newstalk ZB at every opportunity?
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December 28, 2016 9:10am
- mikenmild
  
  ‘PC gone mad’. Drink.
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:24am
- SPC
  
  Because it is our summer holidays
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:43am
  - SPC
    
    In another culture, where many of the MSM elite are Jews – happy holidays means Christmas, Hanukka and New Year. Thus the GOP heartland attacks (((this as anti-Christin secular liberals being PC))) (((left wing war against Christendom))).
    
    Thanks for dragging us down to their GOP culture war level by pretending to confronting PC when you are doing anything but.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:51am
  - SPC
    
    When Americans say happy holidays each summer no one bats an eye, yet when this happens here now some say it is the MSM being anti-Christian … the fact is between Dec 24 and mid January many of us are away on holiday.
    
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    December 28, 2016 12:41pm
- greybeard
  
  It is just rubbish, Captain.
  Merry ( belated ) Christmas and a happy New Year.
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:01pm
Paulus

Interesting how Obama and Mrs shows their real true colours.
Obama says that he could have beaten Trump – what balls – but what indignity to his colleague and “friend” Hillarious Clinton who also got arseholed. It will be interesting to see what she tries to do – no job only the Foundation money to live on. I suspect her face cannot take any more Botox.

Mrs O is showing what a bitch she really is in her comments. Typical Socialist – cannot keep her mouth shut at appropriate times.

Surely you could expect some dignity from the outgoing President, who is out because of the Constitution in that two terms is enough. He was lucky to get two terms as a failure in fact as we shall see.
Soon to be Ex President – keep you big gob shut and try and retrieve some dignity.
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December 28, 2016 9:18am
- mikenmild
  
  It will be interesting to see what Obama does next. He may not be finished as a politician.
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:23am
  - Manolo
    
    Fortunately, he is finished.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:29am
    - mikenmild
      
      Not necessarily. Although recent tradition has favoured retirement, there is no reason why a former president cannot be politically active.
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:33am
    - stephieboy
      
      Hasnt reached 70 yet .
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:43am
  - Komata
    
    MM
    
    Unfortunately, no. Unlike all his predecessors Mr Obama has stated that he will be continuing to live in DC and will be once more involved in activism and organising (which, translated, means he will return to being the low-level street thug he originally was before he was chosen to be ‘elevated’). Back to his former occupation .
    
    By doing so, he is once again demonstrating that he (and ‘Michael’) have absolutely no ‘Class’.
    
    It seems to be the socialist / communist way.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:58am
    - mikenmild
      
      Perhaps he will run for Congress.
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:14am
      - mikenmild
        
        I meant top also correct the ‘unlike all his predecessors’ bit. One has to go back a fair way, but John Quincy Adams served in Congress and Taft was Chief Justice.
        In some ways it is surprising that more ex-Presidents don’t seek other roles. Clinton left office aged 56, G W Bush aged 62, and now Obama aged 55. Plenty of time for distinguished careers.
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:07am
      - holysheet
        
        Mikly you let the cat out of the bag here.
        “Obama aged 55. Plenty of time for distinguished careers.”
        You obviously do not consider Obummas presidency was distinguished. You naughty snowflake you.
        
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        December 28, 2016 12:55pm
      - Paulus
        
        Chelsea is in line for a Senate seat – one is becoming available to her shortly, by arrangement.
        
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        December 28, 2016 1:33pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      I think they are living in DC so their children can finish school. No doubt he will write his memoirs- $10 million Cha Ching , then spend time travelling round his five houses playing golf!
      Not sure he will take another political position in the US though. Hard to go from President to say Congressman again. Would he really want to be bothered with all those Elections again?
      Doesn’t he get the Presidential Salary as Pension for life?
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:18am
      - stephieboy
        
        Of course write his memoirs much like his predeccssor with a handsome advance . However his memoirs, like his earlier ones , will be more fact based.
        
        Unlike his successor’s venture into ego mongering fantasy where ” bragging is breathing ” ,
        
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/book-party/wp/2015/07/30/i-just-binge-read-eight-books-by-donald-trump-heres-what-i-learned/?utm_term=.8e1312fb9dfb
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:16am
  - Dave_1924
    
    I would suspect he will make a tilt at the UN Sec Gen role MnM…… Nobel Peace Prize, non White, Socialist, great friend of Putin… has all the credentials.
    
    Also sorry I clicked the report button by mistake when trying to click reply… DPF please ignore the report – balls up by Dave_1924
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:54am
- Biscuit
  
  Paulus, Obama has sadly proved to be just as ineffectual in the White House as was his predecessor.
  
  Eight years of Obama and all I will remember him for will be:
  * Being the first ‘black’ to hold the office
  * Producing one dead Bin Laden
  * Giving Max Key another photo-op
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:47am
  - stephieboy
    
    Biscuit , one thing he may of left undone and a shortcoming is turning the Middle East into a radioactive dust bowl ?
    
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    December 28, 2016 11:19am
- Kimbo
  
  If most incumbents were allowed to run for a third term they would win. Hence a Republican Congress added the Presidential-term-limiting 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution in 1947 after FDR’s death.
  
  Is the benefit of incumbency and years of appearing “Presidential”. You have to be a bad President, or have some bad crap happen on your watch, eg.,
  
  Jimmy Carter with an oil crisis and failed foreign policy
  
  George Bush I and a recession that wasn’t perceived to have finished before the 1992 election
  
  …to lose office. Someone like Eisenhower, Reagan, and (barring impeachment or, as occurred, his death/assassination) JFK could have won again and again and again if they were allowed. Even Bill Clinton, or Johnson, if he hadn’t pulled out in 1968 (when he was allowed to run for a second elected term) would likely have won. And as much as Obama is disliked around these parts, his presidency has not ended in the same controversy and/or trouble as Clinton and Johnson.
  
  Obama would have mobilised the Black vote again and won again, IMHO. Unlike Hilary Clinton he is…a likeable personality.
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:12am
  - Dave_1924
    
    JFK would have won again and again?
    
    Did Joseph Kennedy not use up all his “getting out the vote” favours in critical states like Michigan and Illinois?
    
    And would Sam Giancana have bank rolled JFK again after Bobby cracked down on the Mob??
    
    You maybe right, Jackie Kennedy was very well beloved and would have swung the womens vote JFK’s way…
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:59am
    - stephieboy
      
      ” Sam Giancana have bank rolled JFK again..”
      
      ???
      
      Evidence other than the usual JFK conspiracy fantasies “
      
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      December 28, 2016 11:21am
      - Dave_1924
        
        Do your own research Stephie…. its all out there that the Mob and the Unions were tight… and the Unions tight with the Democrats….
        
        You want to refute – dig away
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:39am
      - stephieboy
        
        Dave 1924, you made the claim the onus is on you to back it up with facts so start digging away !
        
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        December 28, 2016 12:08pm
    - Kimbo
      
      @ Dave_1924
      
      JFK would have won again and again?
      
      Yep.
      
      Did Joseph Kennedy not use up all his “getting out the vote” favours in critical states like Michigan and Illinois?
      
      It was Texas (mainly thanks to LBJ’s ‘connections”) and Illinois (thanks to Mayor Daley of Chicacgo, who held back the Cook County ‘total’ until it was known how many votes were needed to carry the state) especially. But 1964 would not have been the close contest as with Nixon 1960. Johnson, admittedly using JFK as a martyr whose “work had to be finished” won in a landslide in 1964. There is no way, after Nixon lost the 1962 California governorship race and gave his infamous “last press conference” that he would have faced JFK in 1964. Instead, as occurred, the Republican candidacy would have come down to a divisive race between Nelson Rockefeller and Goldwater, and whomever won (it was Goldwater) would have split the party.
      
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964
      
      And even with Vietnam and inner city rioting, LBJ if he had chosen to run would still have been the favourite in 1968 – even against a rehabilitated Nixon. So how much more JFK?
      
      And would Sam Giancana have bank rolled JFK again after Bobby cracked down on the Mob??
      
      He wouldn’t have needed it, just as LBJ didn’t.
      
      You maybe right, Jackie Kennedy was very well beloved and would have swung the womens vote JFK’s way…
      
      There is no doubt she was a powerful political weapon. And a lady with grace and style – as was JFK. Which goes a long way in politics. Same with Obama. Same with Reagan. That is just a fact, irrespective of what one thinks of their respective politics and competence.
      
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      December 28, 2016 3:09pm
- Gabby
  
  Not too keen on the stroppy females? Just as well you’re an accomplished puller.
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:22am
- MCos
  
  Whether Obama would have beaten Trump is a moot point, of course.
  What he, and Trump, who can always be be relied on to take the bait, say now is of no consequence.
  What is important is how Trump performs for the time he is President.
  Up until Nov-7 he showed a great mastery of Twitter, but he’s rapidly becoming a parady of himself.
  The guy doesn’t know when to pick his fights.
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:34am
- howitis
  
  Michael O. the linebacker went on Oprah and said that 8 years ago s/he had so much Hope.
  Now after 8 years that Hope is extinguished.
  Michael’s Kenyan boyfriend sure did a lousy job then
  (don’t blame me. Ask Joan Rivers. Oh, she’s dead. Mighta been a get one free from Hillary’s squad) )
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhU0_fZPoE
  2 min extract
  
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  December 28, 2016 3:06pm
cmm

Stuff wants us to work less…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/87725196/working-95-its-no-way-to-make-a-living-as-kiwis-look-for-better-worklife-balance

When are the productive people going to get anything done?

This idea of work sharing/work reduction is fine for people who are in surplus in the marketplace and have unemployment problems ie. generally the unskilled or useless-skilled (French poetry PhDs, BA in snowflake studies).

However it won’t work for those of us in short supply (programmers, engineers, doctors truck drivers,…).

Getting the state to try wade in and “fix” the problem would just make it worse than it is.
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December 28, 2016 9:25am
- mikenmild
  
  It’s not Stuff’s idea, it comes from a lecturer at Auckland University. The media does not necessarily endorse every idea it reports.
  Working hours generally have a very loose relation to productivity – see Parkinson’s Law.
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:32am
  - PhilBest
    
    Actually that comment is on the right track, productivity in the long run is all about the deployment of capital.
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:34am
  - cmm
    
    Parkinson’s Law does not apply to productive people. It applies to unproductive people (eg. bureaucracy).
    
    When we end up with an excess of people with BA in basket weaving they end up adding layers of red tape and “make work”.
    
    Productive people get more done if they wok more. Sure, there’s burn out if they work too much but that is not what parkinson’s Law refers to.
    
    The work-less might be a brilliant idea for the French because they are a non-productive economy. Even their farmers are non-productive welfare tit-suckers.
    
    NZ is still a productive economy so different forces are at play.
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:13am
    - mikenmild
      
      Parkinson did not make any such distinction, but perhaps you know better.
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:16am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Read the original here:
        http://www.economist.com/node/14116121
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:49am
      - PhilBest
        
        Parkinson was generally observing the public sector. It is rare for featherbedding to be sustained for long, let alone increased, in the private sector. Creative destruction generally sees to that.
        
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        December 28, 2016 1:11pm
  - holysheet
    
    This not working would be right up you alley Milky
    Just saying
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:53am
    - mikenmild
      
      Work is a mean to an end; not an end in itself. Best of all if you can make your hobby your work.
      
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      December 28, 2016 11:01am
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        As my old daddy would say:
        
        “Arbeit macht frei”
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:54am
- SPC
  
  If it won’t work for those of us in short supply (programmers, engineers, doctors truck drivers,…) – then who can negotiate good work hours/conditions?
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:23am
- MT_Tinman
  
  Having never worked 9-5 in my life and knowing no one who has I have no real way of telling whether the hours are productive but do note that 9-5 with an hour off for lunch is 35 hours, 1/2 hour (the legal minimum) makes the week 37 1/2 hours.
  
  I note also that the countries suggested as having more “enlightened” working hours are also those who’s economies have tanked.
  
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  December 28, 2016 11:02am
  - SPC
    
    France has much higher GDP per person and higher wages than us
    
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    December 28, 2016 11:36am
    - PhilBest
      
      Yeah but the direction of causation is not “work shorter hours, get richer”.
      
      It is “become a highly developed nation, have high productivity, have high incomes, start banking the gains in reduced hours worked”…
      
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      December 28, 2016 1:13pm
      - SPC
        
        Our problem is low level spending on R and D (historically the lowest in the OECD), this leads to continuance with low wage jobs (we need less of these – replaced by one tranche of investment and a movement into other jobs created by another tranche of investment.
        
        Higher wages and better hours of work (and R and D tax credits on top of the existing grants) can incentivise companies to do this.
        
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        December 28, 2016 3:09pm
- Dazzaman
  
  Reported by accident, sorry.
  
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  December 28, 2016 1:52pm
Captain Mainwaring

More blatant promotion of the left by the despicable Media Party.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/87880900/theres-a-new-political-landscape-now-and-greens-coleader-metiria-turei-is-here-to-play
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December 28, 2016 9:29am
Manolo

A cheeky incompetent. The same one who is asking Trump to refrain from using executive orders:
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/the-administration/311883-pardon-the-interruption-clinton-allegation-may-force

Executive orders barring offshore drilling in most U.S. Arctic waters; an abstention at the U.N. permitting the Security Council to declare all Israeli settlement activity to be illegal and an obstacle to peace; the possibility of further action at the U.N. to formalize the administration’s comprehensive vision of a two-state solution to the Israeli/Palestinian conflict—Pres. Obama is sprinting, not jogging, to the finish-line.
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December 28, 2016 9:33am
Manolo

What will the clown Kerry have to say?
Israel is bracing for yet another potential clash with the Obama administration in the final weeks before President-elect Donald Trump takes office, as Secretary of State John Kerry prepares to follow up last week’s anti-settlement U.N. censure with a major address on the U.S. vision for resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
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December 28, 2016 9:37am
- SPC
  
  http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Analysis-US-consistent-against-settlements-and-against-UN-as-appropriate-venue-476504
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:01am
- Gabby
  
  He’s going to announce yanker aid to the middle east will be split 50-50 between Israel and Palestine.
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:16am
- SPC
  
  The fear is that the USA will re-state their traditional two state policy – which has been consistent since 1967. Held by Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush and Obama.
  
  And worse, formally at the UN.
  
  The fear is held because of ambition to change the policy to one of becoming an agent of acclimatising the world to accept lip service to a two state outcome, while tolerating a one state governance of Israel and the West Bank.
  
  The Likud right dream is the Palestinian state being Gaza and Israel and Jordan sharing out the West Bank (this negates any need to give East Jerusalem to a Palestinian state, but would involve an accommodation ebtween Israel and Jordan over matters on the Mount). Thus the refugees are seen as exiles from Jordan or Gaza rather than a Palestinian state.
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:32am
  - SPC
    
    The Labour/Zionist Union view is that the right is too ambitious, they want a focus on settlement in the greater Jerusalem area – thus an easier disengagement from settlement when allowing a Palestinian state on most of the West Bank. The unspoken divergence is that the right is not planning on there being a Palestinian state thus no restraint on settlement.
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:37am
    - Scott
      
      Whereas with our friends Hamas the dream is the complete destruction of Israel and wiping it from the map. They kind of give it away when their mission statement is “death to Israel”.
      
      Actually Ted Cruz is showing great leadership on this one. He is calling for all United States funding of the UN to cease until they reverse their ruling on Israel. Nothing like hitting these organisations in the wallet to get their attention!
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:49am
      - SPC
        
        Cruz is a moron. A UNSC Resolution cannot be changed by the UN orgainisation, only member nations – and then only at the UNSC level or General Assembly vote.
        
        The USA can propose a new resolution – but the other 4 UNSC veto holders can kill that dead. Not that they would need to, there are not 8 nations in the entire UN that support Israel to get a UNSC majority (of 15), so nothing to veto.
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:00am
      - Scott
        
        SPC– The US defunding the United Nations would send a very important signal to the United Nations. Personally I think the UN has had its day.
        It is a regular conduit for consistent anti-Israel propaganda. Also it has become a bloated bureaucracy that consistently pushes leftist globalisation aims and endeavours. If the UN went out of business how bad would that be really?
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:16am
      - stephieboy
        
        Scott , Cruz showing great leadership. ? One who believed that he would make the Middle East sand ,” glow “.
        
        The guy is nuts and even Trump understands that and that is really saying something !
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:27am
      - SPC
        
        The UN would just move from New York.
        
        The USA would form a new body. But who would join if they still wanted a veto?
        
        It would be like boxing titles, WBO, WBA etc
        
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        December 28, 2016 11:38am
      - Scott
        
        Actually as well as Ted Cruz I see that a number of other Senate Republicans have weighed in including John McCain.
        And on Fox News today Charles Krauthammer has called for the American withdrawal of the UN, he says that it is a body that spends 60% of its time condemning Israel.
        
        So Conservative and Republican Americans are very hot on this. I think there will be long-term ramifications. It seems that the UN has really gone out on a limb to condemn Israel and there will be considerable American pushback.
        
        Again if the UN wound up its business how bad would that be really?
        
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        December 28, 2016 1:52pm
      - SPC
        
        A UN without the US veto and in charge of all the related groups. They can all see Russia from Alaska.
        
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        December 28, 2016 2:28pm
Huevon

Drove south through the alternative route from Christchurch to Picton. What a glorious country we livein!
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December 28, 2016 9:40am
- PhilBest
  
  Pity there isn’t more “main routes” as alternatives to the “scenic routes” – even before natural disasters take some of them out.
  
  Many of the tourists crawling along in camper vans 20-30 km/h below the speed limit on SH1 and other “main highways”, assume that no-one stuck behind them is frustrated, because if they wanted to get where they are going quicker, they’d be “on the main road, not this scenic route”. Fact – I am not making this up. Said tourists are of course from real (and populous) first world countries where they have real highway networks.
  
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  December 28, 2016 1:17pm
BeeSting

OBAMA is going to the UTOPIA set up by

Freed American Slaves called Liberia

because “black lives matter”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMwI5unlK9M&t=20s
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December 28, 2016 10:04am
DifferentPerspective

Andrew Little appears most leaderful

On WOBH – at least Little is on the ball and answering substantive questions unlike any other leader!

I totally disagree with his viewpoint – but he made a rational case and bothered to explain it to a ‘hostile’ blogger request.

Maybe there’s more to Little after all! My votes are looking for a home now that National has disowned common sense and the centre ground.
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December 28, 2016 10:09am
Manolo

The beasts are everywhere:
Law enforcement agencies have arrested nine Northern Virginia residents on charges of aiding the Islamic State since the terrorist group rose to power in Syria and Iraq in 2014 and launched social media propaganda to attract followers, a government message to police states.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/26/isis-arrests-in-northern-virginia-reveal-jihadi-th/
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December 28, 2016 10:19am
Keeping Stock

I hope the vomiting bug that struck me down around 1am yesterday morning is not widespread. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. My reintroduction to solid food will be a gradual process!
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December 28, 2016 10:52am
- holysheet
  
  Stout is good for your ailment, and its a liquid.
  GBS
  
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  December 28, 2016 10:56am
- RF
  
  I feel sorry for you. I almost suffered from your complaint when I read an article from a fat porker that appeared today.
  
  What a nasty piece of filth.
  
  I know it’s the season for goodwill but that thing takes the cake and then eats the bloody lot.
  
  No prizes for guessing what I am referring to.
  
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  December 28, 2016 11:07am
- Manolo
  
  I do hope you get better soon, K.S.
  
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  December 28, 2016 11:50am
Happychappy

You hear a lot from University Professors and other staff penning columns for the media most criticizing the Government and siding with the Lefts policy’s. So after reading of Steve Maharey leaving Massey after eight years at the helm you would have to give credit to the way he kept his former employment of Labour MP and Cabinet Minister away from his leadership of Massey University.I am not a fan of Labour or the former Clark Government but have always thought that was a very good MP and Minister for Labour.
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December 28, 2016 10:52am
- Captain Mainwaring
  
  You’re right Happychappy. If Maharey had been in charge of Labour instead of the she-beast they would be a much stronger party today.
  
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  December 28, 2016 11:14am
Fletch

A new symbol for the Social Justice Warrior – the ‘Militant Snowflake’. 😉

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/peoples-cube-militant-snowflake-new-insignia-social-justice-warrior
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December 28, 2016 11:21am
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , and the well known symbol of the alt right ,
  
  http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/maxresdefault-e1464888685807-800×430.jpg
  
  Happy ?
  
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  December 28, 2016 11:30am
- Manolo
  
  Indeed!
  
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  December 28, 2016 11:32am
Manolo

Hillary’s wealthiest supporter got a big richer and should be able to donate more millions to her 2019 campaign:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2016/12/27/biggest-billionaire-gainer-of-2016-warren-buffetts-fortune-surges-more-than-anyone-else-in-america/#695bf7df45d7
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December 28, 2016 11:54am
Manolo

stephieboy will label her a traitor:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/27/fk-you-go-to-hell-georgetown-prof-loses-it-on-muslim-trump-voter/

Asra Q. Nomani, a former Georgetown journalism professor and Wall Street Journal reporter, wrote an op-ed in The Washington Post Nov. 10 explaining why she, as a Muslim woman and “long-time liberal,” voted for Trump.

“I support the Democratic Party’s position on abortion, same-sex marriage and climate change,” Nomani wrote. “But I am a single mother who can’t afford health insurance under Obamacare.”
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December 28, 2016 12:05pm
- SPC
  
  And she expects this to change?
  
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  December 28, 2016 12:33pm
  - PhilBest
    
    I think it will. Time will tell.
    
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    December 28, 2016 1:18pm
stephieboy

Manolo, not at all. Satisfied by the fact that Trumpists like you after all embrace ” The Religion of Peace “
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December 28, 2016 12:12pm
- pentwig
  
  fool that you are daffy
  
  [DPF: No personal abuse.Strike 1]
  
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  December 28, 2016 8:31pm
holysheet

Thing are looking good for the future of the USA.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chasewithorn/2016/12/22/heres-how-much-trumps-cabinet-is-really-worth/#2c23bbfa6f02

Success breeds success. All you snowflakes can look and learn how successful people run a country.
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December 28, 2016 12:21pm
- stephieboy
  
  GW Bush’s cabinet was similarly endowed with members worth millions ( e.g Dick Cheney 90 million and the former President 35 million , Henry Paulson $700 million etc )
  
  And look how they left the economy 2008,
  
  http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/01/30/cnn-fact-check-is-the-annual-deficit-under-obama-12-times-the-deficit-under-republicans/
  
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  December 28, 2016 12:41pm
  - holysheet
    
    When you get to go back to school ask the teacher to explain the difference between billions and millions.
    Then come back here and say your sorry for being such a dickhead
    
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    December 28, 2016 12:59pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Would you say then, that the richer someone is the more likely they are to be a successful politician?
      
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      December 28, 2016 1:07pm
      - holysheet
        
        yes
        They have had to deal with the real world and all it’s wankers like you and stupidboy.
        
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        December 28, 2016 1:43pm
      - mikenmild
        
        So would you say the main thing holding NZ back is that our politicians are not wealthy enough?
        
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        December 28, 2016 2:46pm
    - stephieboy
      
      holysheet , whether billions or millions wealth does not necssarily equate with political successs as e.g Herbert Hoover demonstrated in 1933 ( net worth $ 75 million )
      
      Are you suggesting that John Key who is not not a billionaire ( net worth $60 million ) was somehow not qualified to hold our country’s top position ?
      
      Consider too Winston Churchill brilliant war leader but not good at personal finances .,
      
      http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/16/pf/winston-churchill-money-finances-book/
      
      You Clown !
      
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      December 28, 2016 1:08pm
      - holysheet
        
        See my post above. You obviously can not distinguish between a successful business person like trump and a useless politician like obumma.
        Obumma would be useless in business and Trump will be a great president.
        
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        December 28, 2016 1:48pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Holyexcrement , as you must know Trump has a string of business failures and bankruptcies including not paying contractors or workers wages etc ,
        
        If you don’t then read this ,
        
        http://europe.newsweek.com/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091?rm=eu
        
        And I wonder when finally he will declare his taxes as he suggested he might once the so called “audit is completed ?
        
        His recent Trump University $ 25 million Fraud settlement doesnt auger well for the future .
        
        BTW he boasted during the campaign that he would never settle Why the change ?.
        
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        December 28, 2016 2:30pm
      - doggone7
        
        It is a fact you do not know what Key is worth and have no idea.
        
        Saying “net worth $60 million” is absolute guesswork. A guess which is most likely based on some other figure which could be totally unrelated to reality.
        
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        December 28, 2016 2:33pm
      - stephieboy
        
        According to News Hub John Key ‘s net worth is “reported” at $60 million ,
        
        Thus far he has not denied it ,
        
        http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2016/07/meet-the-kiwis-topping-the-2016-nbr-rich-list.html
        
        BTW Sir Winston Churchill’s net worth does not remotely approach with our former PM nor anyone on Trump’s cabinet .Affairs of state require so much more .
        
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        December 28, 2016 2:38pm
      - doggone7
        
        Why would Key refute the guesswork in the report? He says it is correct and he confirms what is nobody else’s business when he doesn’t have to.
        He refutes it and the conjecture continues. He let the sleeping dog lie for others to kick around.
        
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        December 28, 2016 5:28pm
      - pentwig
        
        daffy
        for you to call anybody a clown is laughable
        the one and only clown on KB is daffy aka steffie/boy
        
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        December 28, 2016 8:48pm
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    fool daffy
    dunce corner now!
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:33pm
SPC

Just been pondering lesbian interest in landlords and waterways after reading a Herald article, it really is about the opportunity to make untaxed CG that makes us blind with greed. This is why we don’t have controls on foreign ownership or pollution, as these would diminish the CG to be derived.

Our FT deal with China binds us to foreign ownership just as TPP was to keep waterways polluted.
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  How about pondering on how to make a coherent and factual comment?
  
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  December 28, 2016 2:30pm
  - SPC
    
    You could start by demonstrating where there was any factual inaccuracy …that is if you have anything to say on the topic itself.
    
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    December 28, 2016 2:44pm
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      Sorry for the delay SPC, went for a dunk over at the beach.
      
      I primarily have an issue with your last statement,
      “Our FT deal with China binds us to foreign ownership just as TPP was to keep waterways polluted”
      The first half re China is OK, that should be undisputed (its benefit or not can be though) but the absolute rubbish about the TPP and waterway pollution is simply nutcase stuff. Where is your evidence??
      
      For the rest of your comment
      “Just been pondering lesbian interest in landlords and waterways after reading a Herald article”
      Her being a lesbian is irrelevant to the argument, as it irrelevant in your commentary. I assume you are both using it for the sympathy vote.
      
      “it really is about the opportunity to make untaxed CG that makes us blind with greed” opinion, not fact.
      
      “This is why we don’t have controls on foreign ownership or pollution, as these would diminish the CG to be derived”
      Excuse me? Oversea’s Investment Act and Office? ummm Environment Court and Regional Councils?
      
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      December 28, 2016 4:33pm
      - SPC
        
        The TPP involved limitation on national sovereignty, a corporate could seek compensation from the government if tougher environment rules impacted on their profits or asset value.
        
        And it is simply a fact that opening up sale of local land to foreign buy up maximises land value/CG.
        
        Reference to her lesbian status was relevant to the article my comment was related to. And if you looked up the thread to the Grand Tour topic starter … one makes ice cream with milk.
        
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        December 28, 2016 4:49pm
      - SPC
        
        The environment court that ignores stock in rivers/streams complaints – the environment regime of the lowest waterway standards in the first world – an ambition to ensure we can wade across them safely. Really?
        
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        December 28, 2016 4:57pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        “The TPP involved limitation on national sovereignty, a corporate could seek compensation from the government if tougher environment rules impacted on their profits or asset value”
        
        Yeah, nah… try listening to facts, not Kelsey. We still had/have the ability to govern our country.
        
        “And it is simply a fact that opening up sale of local land to foreign buy up maximises land value/CG.”
        Ahh, no that’s your reading of the situation. Just because your echo chamber all believes it doesnt mean it’s true. Over the past 10 years that has been the cycle, but the cycle will change… thats why its a cycle. Also profits are taxed, we have a CGT, despite your echo chamber bleating otherwise.
        
        “Reference to her lesbian status was relevant to the article my comment was related to. And if you looked up the thread to the Grand Tour topic starter … one makes ice cream with milk”
        
        Ah nah, we disagree her, it is all just for effect and sympathy.
        
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        December 28, 2016 5:21pm
      - SPC
        
        Sure, but if the TPP had been signed we would have had to compensate farmers for higher waterway standards – a reason to continue to do nothing.
        
        More (foreign buyers) means a global market price – cycle or otherwise.
        
        Most land owners do not pay CGT, thus the squealing in regard to actually introducing one.
        
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        December 28, 2016 10:03pm
- SPC
  
  If you need to know about the relevance of the word lesbian to the article and this issue read here.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11773444
  
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  December 28, 2016 3:02pm
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    She is saying there is none yet people bring it up in reference to her stance on farming and water quality. So what do you think the relevance is?
    
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    December 28, 2016 3:10pm
    - SPC
      
      I was originally indicating who wrote the article and to which article I was referring.
      
      I would have thought farmers motives for using the term were to insinuate she is in the minority in criticising their industry practice.
      
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      December 28, 2016 3:13pm
      - SPC
        
        On the matter of livestock critics are associated with being vegetarians.
        
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        December 28, 2016 3:21pm
- SPC
  
  Too subtle? Lesbians have been averse to over-rule by patriarchy landlords since Adam divied up the estate between livestock and grain farming to the sons.
  
  I cannot wait for the Grand Tour crowd to go rallying through Kiwi farm country. The sheep, the milk production – they would have a gay old time. Nary a lesbian in sight.
  
  Nothing … tough crowd.
  
  The ultimate patriarchy is imperial, and todays favoured method is investment to own and with unfettered property rights secured by trade agreement.
  
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  December 28, 2016 3:41pm
  - nasska
    
    ….”The sheep, the milk production – they would have a gay old time. Nary a lesbian in sight.
    
    Nothing … tough crowd.”…..
    
    I may be able to shine a light on the mystery. Cockies are doers…..not talkers. Lesbians, less so.
    
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    December 28, 2016 4:34pm
  - sam green
    
    SPC – talking nonsense since ages ago. The writer is simply saying – let’s have the conversation about dairying and water quality. That shouldn’t be a threat – talk to the farmers around Lake Rerewhakaaitu – they had a conversation and they did some significant things around supporting the water quality of those fragile lakes. It’s not mutually exclusive – it’s proven science that is mutually beneficial. I have no idea why the sexual orientation of Rachel Stewart has any bearing on the matter.
    
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    December 28, 2016 7:26pm
    - SPC
      
      She in fact said
      
      Because anyone over the past half decade who’s written anything even remotely resembling the truth about the dairy sector has invariably been dismissed as either a nut job, a traitor, and in more extreme cases, received death threats. Ask me how I know.
      
      Therein lies the problem. Until the vested interests can stop with the abuse and obfuscation and admit there’s a problem with dairying’s impact on water quality, we’re all going nowhere.
      
      Which buys the dairy industry more time, more money and more of our collective scorn. Meanwhile, our freshwater resources are dying a quiet and uncomplaining death
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:51pm
      - sam green
        
        Tell the Feds!
        
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        December 28, 2016 9:53pm
Manolo

Merkel’s legacy. Muslim Christmas fireworks in Berlin:
Seven migrants have been arrested after a homeless man was set on fire on Christmas Eve at a Berlin subway station. The men, aged 15 to 21, are suspected of torching the victim as he slept on a platform bench at Schönleinstraße station.

Six of the suspects are Syrian and one is Lybian and an attempted murder investigation has been launched.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4067902/Seven-migrants-arrested-homeless-man-set-fire-Christmas-Eve-Berlin-subway-station.html#ixzz4U69zzNXD
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- holysheet
  
  Once it gets to court their excuse will be;
  ” We were cold your worship, so we set a fire to get warm. We didn’t know there was a body in the paper”
  And the judge will accept this excuse and these pieces of filthy shit will be set free.
  
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  December 28, 2016 4:57pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, could it be a copy cat attack for this one in Manchestor where the Homeless man was kicked , punched to death and his tent set alight ?,
  
  http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sickening-attack-homeless-man-who-was-beaten-death-set-fire-sees-four-jailed-1575708
  
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  December 28, 2016 6:40pm
  - Manolo
    
    Your fertile immagination will always find an excuse for your fellow followers of Mohammad. Allahu akbar.
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:35pm
  - pentwig
    
    fuckwit
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:36pm
    - Gabby
      
      merkin
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:13pm
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, you also missed the other major news item where Bulgarian suspect Svetoslav Stoyko kicked a woman down subway stairs for no apparent reason.
  
  He fled to France but the attack was well publiscised on social media and was shortly later arrested and deported back.
  
  Maybe his name and ethncity might of deterred you ?
  
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  December 28, 2016 7:03pm
  - pentwig
    
    double fuckwit
    put your head under your wing and hide in shame!
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      pentwit, how much does Comrade Redbaiter charge you for his elocution tuition ?
      
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      December 28, 2016 9:11pm
      - pentwig
        
        why would anybody pay me for calling you out as a [deleted by DPF]
        
        and a troll from the the strandred just here to cause disruption
        
        my services are free to show you up as being the fool are
        
        get it?
        
        [DPF: Totally unacceptable and Strike 2. Next oen is a suspension]
        
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        December 28, 2016 9:53pm
    - Gabby
      
      double merkin
      put your bits under your wig and hide the stain!
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:12pm
Manolo

And yet PM English is incapable of sacking him.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=11772983
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December 28, 2016 6:04pm
- stephieboy
  
  Why ?
  
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  December 28, 2016 6:36pm
  - pentwig
    
    foolish duck- think!
    
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    December 28, 2016 8:39pm
    - Gabby
      
      merkin – stink!
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:11pm
Manolo

Mamma Merkel joins the NWO:
http://heatst.com/tech/germany-considers-fining-facebook-522000-per-fake-news-item/
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December 28, 2016 6:10pm
greybeard

Dear Mr. Netanyahu .
On behalf of many New Zealanders may I extend my apologies for the crap decision made by someone in the current Government to support that U.N. motion.
Nobody consulted me, and I am a National voter. Or maybe I should say that I WAS a National voter.
Best wishes.
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December 28, 2016 7:36pm
- Manolo
  
  Maybe Mr McCully himself took the decision. It would not surprise anyone. A disaster.
  
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  December 28, 2016 7:42pm
  - nasska
    
    As our sponsorship for the garbage motion was at best a pathetic attempt at virtue signalling who were we trying to impress?
    
    I’m hard pushed to think of any of our major trading partners who would care a damn if Palestine disappeared.
    
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    December 28, 2016 7:49pm
    - Gabby
      
      The guys we give sheep farms to.
      
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      December 28, 2016 10:09pm
- stephieboy
  
  greybeard , a lifeline for you. Kim .dot com is toying with starting another Internet Party for 2017,
  
  http://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2016/12/internet-party-could-return-in-2017-kim-dotcom.html?ref=RLrotator
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:05pm
Manolo

The weed of American politics, hard to remove.
http://dailycaller.com/2016/12/27/hillary-clinton-signals-shes-not-ready-to-go-away/

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton signaled she was ready to come back into the spotlight for Donald Trump’s presidency, according to a message of appreciation she sent her supporters Monday.
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December 28, 2016 7:48pm
mikenmild

What percentage of pentwig’s comments so far consist of one or two swear words directed at one particular commenter?
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December 28, 2016 8:50pm
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  Sexual Frustration.
  
  Pentwig is absolutely guttered he/she/it isn’t a teenage girl with pert breasts for Stephie to stare at.
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:06pm
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    gutted
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:07pm
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      it didn’t look right but the bourbon and autocorrect didn’t care! Cheers MM
      
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      December 29, 2016 8:22am
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    Awww C-mon,
    
    your cottaging finally bore fruit today ?
    
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    December 28, 2016 9:13pm
  - pentwig
    
    Good grief ACm
    If I was a female the last thing I would wish is daffy staring at my breasts in a Mt Roskill cafe.
    I now need a shower, buggar you.
    
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    December 28, 2016 10:10pm
    - Gabby
      
      Now Dipshit Henry on the other hand – and he prolly doesn’t mind about the showering.
      
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      December 29, 2016 8:48am
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  what part of your brain actually contains any intelligence milky?
  
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  December 28, 2016 9:56pm
Gabby

is your brain in your merkin? what do you do when it’s in the wash?
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December 28, 2016 10:07pm
BeeSting

Some more Christian Music for you Believers

Jesus never realised there were so many believers

Take it Away Saint Bob in Heaven

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnnEby_DkwI

Stir it up; little darlin’, stir it up. Come on, baby.
Come on and stir it up: little darlin’, stir it up. O-oh!

It’s been a long, long time, yeah!
(stir it, stir it, stir it together)
Since I got you on my mind. (oh-oh-oh-oh) Oh-oh!
Now you are here (stir it, stir it, stir it together), I said,
It’s so clear
There’s so much we could do, baby, (oh-oh-oh-oh)
Just me and you.

Come on and stir it up, little darlin’!
Stir it up, come on, baby!
Come on and stir it up, yeah!
Little darlin’, stir it up! O-oh!

I’ll push the wood (stir it, stir it, stir it together),
Then I blaze ya fire;
Then I’ll satisfy your heart’s desire. (oh-oh-oh-oh)
Said, I stir it every (stir it, stir it, stir it together),
Every minute,
All you got to do, baby, (oh-oh-oh-oh)
Is keep it in, eh!

(Stir it up) Oh, little darlin’,
Stir it up, baby!
Come on and stir it up, oh-oh-oh!
Little darlin’, stir it up! Wo-oh! Mm, now, now.

Quench me when I’m thirsty,
Come on and cool me down, baby, when I’m hot. (oh-oh-oh-oh)
Your recipe is, darlin’ is so tasty,
When you show and stir your pot. (oh-oh-oh-oh)

So: stir it up, oh!
Little darlin’, stir it up; wo, now!
Come on and stir it up, oh-ah!
Little darlin’, stir it up!

Oh, little darlin’, stir it up. Come on, babe!
Come on and stir it up, wo-o-a!
Little darlin’, stir it up! Stick with me, baby!
Come on, come on and stir it up, oh-oh!
Little darlin’, stir it up.
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  Bet there isn’t any ‘stir it up’ happening in the back of the duel Fuel coon … plenty of fapping though
  
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