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William of Ockham

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11770517
‘We are over drunk patients’: Top emergency department doctors

The emergency doctors said more needed to be done at a legislative level. They wanted the closing time of bars changed from 3 and 4am to midnight which had resulted in a 20 per cent reduction in presentations to local emergency departments in New South Wales.

Australian National University Medical School professor Drew Richards said the latest figures were further proof New Zealand needed to look at its drinking culture.
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December 21, 2016 8:01am
- kowtow
  
  And what about fat patients? Spent their lives never exercising , stuffing their faces with crap food and now turn up for hip , knee , back and heart operations.
  Smokers we’ve already demonised , fatties next.
  More legislation, more , more , more. The gummint can fix you.
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:19am
  - mikenmild
    
    Yes, we need to do something to help fatties, too, but they’re not swarming into the EDs are they?
    Doing more to reduce the harmful effects of alcohol abuse need to preclude working on other issues, unless you can only comprehend one or two things at a time.
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:21am
    - kowtow
      
      “but they’re not swarming into the EDs are they?”
      
      Oh yes they are. But it’s not “sexy” to highlight that.
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:47am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Can’t we just make the ED doors narrower?
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:01am
  - Lance
    
    Don’t forget skiers and rugby players…. hogging med services and ACC big time
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:28am
    - Chuck Bird
      
      And don’t forget homosexuals … spreading STDs at a far far higher rate than heterosexuals.
      
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      December 21, 2016 12:28pm
      - DoctorDoc
        
        Never want to miss an opportunity to talk about queers ey Chuck?
        
        The fact that you are a sad, lonely old man who spends all his time here talking about homos while also having an obsession with Winston that reads like a schoolgirl crush, all points to you being one of those repressed self hating homosexuals.
        
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        December 21, 2016 1:22pm
      - sam green
        
        Don’t forget lonely old men Chuck with their prostate problems from too much wanking over homos.
        
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        December 22, 2016 12:53pm
  - Gabby
    
    Not to mention all the piss you sink after midnight.
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:54am
    - Awww C-mon
      
      Opposed to the amount you sink before mid-day??
      
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      December 21, 2016 1:31pm
  - Flash
    
    No. Just let people look after themselves. Get drunk? Fall in the gutter? Wake up there.
    Fat? Get short of breath, can’t get up out of your chair? So sit there.
    Become a running obsessive? You will be crippled in your later years when knee replacements have a 5 year waiting list.
    Be thoughtless at your own peril is all I say.
    
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    December 21, 2016 11:08am
- dime
  
  lol so we can drop the number of people showing up by 20%?
  
  and all we have to do is bankrupt a shit ton of bars, fuck over taxis and uber drives and the guy who sells kebabas at 3am??
  
  why havent we done this already???????
  
  there will be a LOT of lost GST and exise tax though.. like, a silly amount. maybe cheaper to chuck on another doctor or two?
  
  surprised the cops havent chimed in on this article yet “everyone should be tucked up in bed by 10pm”
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:44am
  - Gabby
    
    Because taxi drivers would RATHER pick up fares at 4am than 11pm.
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:55am
    - mikenmild
      
      Yes, and the drunker the better, so there is more chance of charging a fee to clean vomit out of the car…
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:59am
    - dime
      
      so youre saying shorter hours = same amount of people anyway?
      
      you need to email Westfield ASAP!!! fuck, retailers can save a fortune on wages!
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:09am
      - Gabby
        
        So you’re saying longer hours = increased consumption? Not just providing choice and flexibility then.
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:50am
Inandout

The truck driver killer in Berlin may have been a Paki import. Merkel has visited the scene and laid a white rose; how nice.
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December 21, 2016 8:08am
- PhilBest
  
  And you have to dig very deeply into the reportage to discover that.
  
  Even a “centre right” German media institution like Spiegel, tiptoes very carefully on this:
  
  http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/what-the-attack-in-berlin-means-for-merkel-a-1126856.html#ref=nl-international
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:12am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  Yes, hard choice going out that morning; white rose, white flag, . . . hmmmm
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:51am
- gump
  
  The German Police have released their first suspect. It wasn’t him.
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/20/berlin-christmas-market-attacker-still-on-the-loose-say-police
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:04am
EAD

Surfing the websites of the NZ MSM this morning that is not NZ Herald or Stuff, I came across this article:

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/world/320729/values-oath-proposed-for-uk-public-office

Writing in the Sunday Times, Tory Minister Sajid Javid said people could not play a “positive role” in public life unless they accepted basic values.

These included democracy, equality and freedom of speech, he said.

Mr Javid’s intervention comes after a report by Dame Louise Casey warned of increasing ethnic segregation.

Mr Javid’s proposals would mean every new recruit in the public sector, including councillors, school governors and civil servants would be expected to commit to the oath, which might have to be read out loud before starting the role.

Dame Louise said some sections of society did not accept British values such as tolerance.

Got it Mr Javid – service in the British Public sector does not actually require one to be British, merely that they can read something out loud (presumably in English although in NZ citizenship tests and hospital forms can be done in one of 14 languages I believe).

Does anyone actually know why the political elite continue to lecture us on “democracy”? They do whatever they want when in power regardless of the voters preferences and we’ve seen just recently in Britain the contempt much of the political has for real democracy when it came to “Brexit” as they try and water down, delay and obfuscate.

Then, why do they preach so much about equality when affirmative action in every single white countries means that the long standing citizens are anything but equal?

As for “tolerating” being a core British values – “Tolerance” just means putting up with something unpleasant. Were the government ever to deliver actual improvements to our lives – like they promise, and like they are supposed to – there wouldn’t be any question of us having to “tolerate” things.

The key question of course being – why do they really have to give us quite so much “diversity” to tolerate? They might as well say that British values are being a bunch of pliable suckers who’ll put up with whatever indignities their lords and masters choose to inflict on them.

And finally, as for freedom of speech – these b*st*rd will “tolerate” anything – except for anyone who is foolish enough to step outside the Ingsoc/Newspeak narrative, in which case Room 101 awaits for you – in Germany the police will conduct dawn raids if you criticise on Social Media the deliberate destruction of your country:

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/04/07/police-raid-social-media-posts/

But don’t forget, cast your vote folks – “democracy” depends on it!
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December 21, 2016 8:08am
- PhilBest
  
  That is so well said, I wish it had been said by someone who makes all this an issue of culture, rather than actual skin colour.
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:14am
  - EAD
    
    Hi PhilBest,
    
    I know you agree a lot with what I say but disagree on what we believe the root cause is and how our current state of madness can best be resolved but for the moment, let’s leave that discussion aside
    
    I understand where you’re coming from, but your “values based” position ignores some basic home truths. Human beings are highly tribal people. We have evolved over tens of thousands of years in highly homogeneous societies and no amount of anti-hate speech law, soaring rhetoric will change that fact.
    
    It would be wonderful if we could do a “values” test on everyone that came here but it not only is it not practical and nearly impossible to assess, but values are fleeting and change with the time. I mean who gets to decide, enforce & test “values” newcomers must have?
    
    There is nothing wrong with immigration per se, but the speed and scale at which it is being “enforced” on European countries and the quality of immigrants means what could be a good thing, is turning into an unmitigated disaster all but the most blind can see.
    
    People are tribal, and the thing the multikulti fanatics won’t accept is that there is nothing wrong with that.
    
    Just as there is often a black sheep in every family, there are plenty of *ssh*l*s descended from European stock, but at least they’re our *ssh*l*s.
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:30am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Of course after several thousand years of inter-tribal warfare, global conflicts and now the low intensity terror campaigns, endlessly repeating the futile wars of our ancestors based on superficial differences in skin colour or which god is being worshiped, we could just try being nice to each other for a change.
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:17am
    - PhilBest
      
      Appreciate your intelligent and considered discussion of these questions, EAD.
      
      I believe that the old tribal human condition can be systematically eradicated within about 3 generations given good clear enlightenment, so you get someone like Sir Apirana Ngata as good a culture warrior as anyone. But (European) intellectual Quislings can tip any identity group back into tribalism again within about 3 generations, hence the current Maori “leadership”, which would have Sir Apirana spinning in his grave.
      
      On the issue of “vetting immigrants”, I say “no need”, other than educational / economic grounds. The important thing is the conditions locally – strong cultural self-belief and no options to “assimilating”, for immigrants. Law-breaking = swift deportation.
      
      We only have a problem with ratbags wanting to come in their droves in the first place, because they will be “tolerated” and more, by domestic intellectual Quislings and the institutions they have hijacked, and in fact ratbag, militant immigrants are positively enabled as WMD’s against their host culture. This is where the problem is, not in the skin colour of immigrants per se.
      
      I don’t want cringing white lefties from the US or UK coming here in their droves because they are upset about Trump or Farage; they would be part of the problem regardless of their “right” skin colour. I want that kind of people to NOT want to come here; if NZ was as culturally confident as I wished, both those people and the ratbag militant immigrants of colour, would not bother. But people of colour wanting out of a culture they identify as retrograde, and wanting in on ours, are welcome.
      
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      December 21, 2016 11:53am
- mikenmild
  
  Would you class Mr Javid as ‘British’?
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:22am
  - EAD
    
    No,
    
    if my wife & I moved to China and had a child, would they be Chinese? If that child married the child of another European expat would they then by Chinese?
    
    Or does your definition only depend on a piece of cardboard that governments hand out “proving” you are a certain nationality or a set of values that might have to be read aloud as in the case above?
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:33am
    - mikenmild
      
      By that standard, you are not a New Zealander, but a European settler on a Pacific Island.
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:38am
      - EAD
        
        Correct MM,
        
        But the Maori aren’t native though either are they – they just arrived by boat earlier than my ancestors.
        
        They didn’t create a country, when the British arrived, they found a series of scattered waring tribes whose “land” depended on who won the most recent battle.
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:44am
      - mandk
        
        Precisely.
        
        It’s clear from EAD’s comments that he wants to judge a man, not by the content of his character, but by the colour of his skin.
        
        Is Jeetan Patel a Kiwi? Yes, he’s kiwi as.
        
        Is Meng Foon a Kiwi? No doubt.
        
        Is EAD a Kiwi? No. He doesn’t adhere to Kiwi culture and values.
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:48am
      - kowtow
        
        And dinner depended on how many were konked in the battle. You’re not really a kiwi unless you eat long pig.
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:55am
      - mikenmild
        
        Nationality is not formed by superficial racial characteristics, but by shared experiences and values.
        By EAD’s logic, no one is ‘native’ to anywhere – so I suppose that makes him a rootless cosmopolitan.
        mandk has it right.
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:02am
      - Disaster Area
        
        By that standard we are all North Africans, whose ancestors went on an extended OE. http://australianmuseum.net.au/when-and-where-did-our-species-originate
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:46am
      - EAD
        
        Mandk says
        
        “It’s clear from EAD’s comments that he wants to judge a man, not by the content of his character, but by the colour of his skin.
        
        Is it really that “clear” MandK or are just making stuff up to fit your prejudices? Read my comment above:
        
        “Just as there is often a black sheep in every family, there are plenty of *ssh*l*s descended from European stock, but at least they’re our *ssh*l*s.
        
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        December 21, 2016 10:52am
    - MCos
      
      My first NZ passport, issued in 1972, identified me as a British Subject, whatever that means.
      I’m a New Zealander and although my mother is English I’m not entitled to one of their passports, unless the rules have changed.
      British is not a race or ethnicity whereas Chinese is. So you’re talking about two different things.
      (I don’t know what ethnicities I am, as it happens, but there’s thousands I think I can rule out.)
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:02am
      - RalphT
        
        MCos, you should be able to get a UK passport through your mother. I’m pretty much in the same boat as you; when I applied in 1974 my British mother didn’t count. I think the rules were changed in the early 1980s in line with other legislation relating to equality of the sexes, but while I could have applied for a UK passport I simply haven’t bothered. My NZ one has served me well over the years and I see no need to change.
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:35am
      - EAD
        
        “British is not a race or ethnicity whereas Chinese is.
        
        Really Mcos – are there any European races then? (unless you’re argument along the lines of English, Welsh, Scottish & Irish being the only nationalities and “British” means someone who has a purple passport )
        
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        December 21, 2016 10:58am
      - Paulus
        
        You can get a UK passport – called Matriality (Mother) I believe.
        
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        December 21, 2016 11:11am
    - Odakyu-sen
      
      You are a national if you speak the national language, support and participate in the national culture and customs, hold a national passport, and would have no problems with your children marrying another citizen of that nation.
      
      However, if you can go without the national BBQ sauce for 30 days without suffering withdrawal symptoms, then your credentials may be called into question…
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:27am
      - PhilBest
        
        The very idea of the nation-state, tends to be contrary to tribalisms. There are very few one-tribe nations. Nation-states by definition, have required the suspension of tribalism on the part of their inhabitants.
        
        Even tribalisms can cut across racial grounds. You can have a one-race “land” inhabited by dozens of warring tribes and it will not be a nation-state. Race has always been irrelevant to the possibility of nation-state status. It is the “national idea” that defines a nation, not “the race that started it”. Even in old history, there are empires that were racially inclusive in that the vast majority of subjects below the royalty or whatever, had no differences in their rights, regardless of their race. The Roman Empire was like this, and the Turkish Empire was too at times.
        
        Of course no-one had the rights of people in a modern liberal democracy; but that itself is a nation-state idee fix also not associated with race.
        
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        December 21, 2016 12:03pm
- Nostradamus
  
  EAD:
  
  NZ MSM this morning that is not NZ Herald or Stuff
  
  Genuine question: what other NZ MSM sources besides Stuff and NZ Herald do you follow? I see Radio NZ is one. Presumably NBR is another. Anything else?
  
  (Just to declare my position, I don’t think the NZ MSM is particularly diverse.)
  
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  December 21, 2016 1:13pm
  - EAD
    
    @ Nosty,
    
    I subscribe to the NBR but Stuff is my primary NZ MSM fake news source these days although Radio NZ has its merits.
    
    The reason I don’t spend touch time at the Herald is because when you copy their links, their is no description of the article in the header. If my primary reason for subjecting myself to MSM bile is to critique it, then if the subject is quickly identifiable in the header, more people are likely to read it.
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:38pm
    - stephieboy
      
      EAD , a charming selection from your latest favoured website and their lexicon ,
      
      ECHOES,
      
      All Jewish surnames echo throughout history. The echoes repeat the sad tale as they communicate the emotional lessons of our great white sins, imploring us to Never Forget the 6 GoRillion.
      
      GOYIM
      Non Jews, destined to serve the Volcano Demon’s chosen people.
      
      HERBAL JEW
      Marijuanas
      
      MERCHANT
      A Jew; particularly of the perfidious, Christ-hating, subversive variety.
      
      NEOCONSERVATIVE
      Jews
      
      SYNAGOGUE, THE
      The ruling caste of the Western world. The men who mold the narrative and direct the society’s “progress.” Named for it’s over-representation of Merchant, as well as a means to criticize Mencius Moldbug, half-Merchant blogger who chooses to use “Cathedral” as a means to describe the same concept.
      
      HELICOPTER RIDES
      Uncle Augusto’s preferred method for physically removing Commies, Reds, University Professors and Journalists.
      
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      December 21, 2016 10:12pm
stigie

What a beautiful day, to good to be cemented down behind a keyboard..!
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December 21, 2016 8:12am
- EAD
  
  Some of us have been up since 5am Stigie!
  
  Gym, breakfast, emails cleared, phone calls with the USA, read the news and time to post on GD before your staff come in…..
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:16am
  - mikenmild
    
    What a guy – ubermensch!
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:23am
    - EAD
      
      Thank you Milkmaid,
      
      Indeed mens sana in corpore sano is a great way to live – indeed, it is a key part of the Alt right philosophy:
      
      http://therightstuff.biz/2016/12/18/untitled-9/
      
      You should read the above.
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:51am
      - Gabby
        
        It’s sweet that your carers let you think you’re calling overseas. You must be private.
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:59am
    - Kiwi Dave
      
      He’s a taxi driver?
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:57am
  - VicParking
    
    Up at 8, feed the dog, commented on KB and are back in bed. Who knows what will happen when the partner wakes up.
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:54am
    - stigie
      
      Nothing…., she’s bitchy with you !~
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:01am
      - VicParking
        
        He wasn’t 🙂 🙂
        
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        December 21, 2016 1:29pm
    - stigie
      
      Oh dear, my bad !!
      
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      December 21, 2016 2:35pm
  - Keeping Stock
    
    You lost me at “Gym” EAD 😎
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:33am
Manolo

Some Germans, except Merkel, realise the gravity of the situation:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-truck-war-idUSKBN14915D?il=0

The interior minister of the German state of Saarland said on Tuesday Germany is in a state of war after a man drove a truck into a crowd at a Berlin Christmas market, killing 12 people and injuring 48, in a suspected terrorist attack.
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December 21, 2016 8:12am
- Odakyu-sen
  
  The Germans can vote for political parties that will work in the interests of the German people.
  The question is: Will they?
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:34am
cmm

Another German gets tired of Chistmas….

It is time they ban leiderhosen in Germany. The leather is all scratchy on your balls and that makes Gunther cranky. Then Gunther goes out and senselessly murders people.

Or maybe it is the scent of pfefferkuchen and tannenbaum and all the blinking lights.

The only thing we know for certain is that it has nothing to do with religion and multiculturalism.
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December 21, 2016 8:13am
Monique Watson

I read that one from a research drinkers point of view. The country desperately needs specific detox units. A lot of those poor suckers will have no idea that they are distressed. They are probably in alcohol withdrawal which is a specialized medical field and can be life threatening. That old guy is probably suffering the DT’s.
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December 21, 2016 8:14am
- VicParking
  
  Build them on the Auckland Islands
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:55am
oldpark

Seeme Lie-bour Party take the prize in 2016 as having the most neurological deficit and gutless person known as Annette King, MP. With a face that would chase a hungry dog out of a butchers shop,she has the gaul to call National Gutless,for not standing a personfor a coming bye -election in Mt Albert. Earlier this year Angry Andy Little or Mr 7% ,declined to stand a person in the Northland Bye-election,thus allowing the Peters Party a free run. What part of gutless does the landlady of an alleged pedo ,not understand. To make her even more gutless ,she hid behind the sound of silence,when the police came around ,to find out why she was protecting an alleged pedo.Of course any which way ,its alright when they do it.
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December 21, 2016 8:16am
- Paulus
  
  Annette is an elderly bilious former Dental Nurse which is why she still tried to extract the piss as often as she can.
  Nobody takes any notice of her any more – not even Angry – who has determined that she can go so he can have her seat.
  This is by no means secure for him as Rongotai has gentrified as a Greenie location.
  He will only be sure of getting it if the Greens agree to stand aside and in the format of the MOU they will do.
  He can then shit on them like Helen did – and why not.
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:57am
- marquess
  
  declined to stand a person in the Northland Bye-election,thus allowing the Peters Party a free run.
  
  What are you talking about? Willow-Jean Prime wasn’t a figment of the mainsteam media’s imagination.
  
  Although Melissa Lee’s political nous might be.
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:24am
  - mandk
    
    You can’t truthfully say that Labour contested that by-election.
    
    Willow-Jean Prime was simply a cypher who put in no effort.
    
    Labour supporters were actively encouraged to vote for Winston First, and the Party’s share of the vote collapsed from 25.9% to 4.7%.
    
    If it had been a sporting contest, it would have been annulled for match-fixing.
    
    At least National are honest about not contesting.
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:55am
  - doggone7
    
    Willow-Jean Prime was a real person when I last checked. I suppose the downticks are from some who didn’t know what a ‘figment’ is. Or those pissed off that their favourite got done like a Christmas turkey in Northland.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:01am
- sam green
  
  “Alleged pedo”? There have been no such allegations – best you keep that one in your sick head. “How to smear” by Oldpark. Oh that’s right – dirty politics is ok when the right do it.
  
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  December 22, 2016 1:06pm
VicParking

Global warning strikes again
Snow falls in Sahara for first time in 37 years
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4051448/A-unlikely-white-Christmas-Villagers-stunned-snow-falls-Sahara-time-37-YEARS.html
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December 21, 2016 8:32am
- Disaster Area
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/dec/20/churchill-canada-hudson-bay-no-snow-sea-ice-polar-bear
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:07am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    Sea-ice in Hudson Bay is always at a fairly low point in November.
    
    Look at it a couple of days ago…. nearly iced over…. https://nsidc.org/data/masie/
    
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    December 21, 2016 1:29pm
    - sooty
      
      Polar bears had better migrate to the south pole!
      
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      December 21, 2016 4:28pm
Padriv Ustoev

The Assault on Europe has begun.

If the German people do not retaliate, this will only show weakness to an adversary that only understands strength. There is a reason back in the Middle East only strongmen are successful leaders.

If there is no serious retaliation Europe will just turn into a huge Lebanon.

Here is a link for Historical context for you to draw conclusions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_Civil_War
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December 21, 2016 8:33am
- Jack5
  
  And at home the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand wants more Muslim refugees in (“A”)NZ!
  
  And it’s already warming up to open doors to “climate change refugees” – that would mean tens of millions!
  
  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4052498/KATIE-HOPKINS-atrocities-leaders-stop-lying-admit-thanks-immigration-policies-mowed-doing-Christmas-shopping-simply-new-normal.html
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:38am
- stephieboy
  
  Padriv Ustoev , are you suggesting a call to civil war against Muslim minorities in Western Europe Lebanese style ?
  
  Or nuking the Middle East David Garrett style ?
  
  Do you imagine Putin joining in with this kind of madness ?
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:49am
  - Jack5
    
    Boy, some serious head scratching around the ~~table~~ mat at the morning briefing today of the Stephiestani Islamic troll team!
    
    The boys face a Ph.D-thesis level PR task as the Islamic-extremist terrorism continues in Europe.
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:57am
    - stephieboy
      
      Jack 5 , do you think Europe needs to start a Lenbanese style civil war over this ?
      
      Or is Nuking the Middle East the preferred option ?
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:01am
      - emmess
        
        Tell me who the fuck is trying to start a Lebanese style civil war in Europe?
        It sure as hell ain’t the native population.
        
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        December 21, 2016 11:29am
  - cmm
    
    Stephie…
    
    Sure, nobody quite knows what the solution is yet
    
    However one thing is clear: at least stop making the problem worse by importing more of them.
    
    Longer term I would recommend more pressure be placed on more culturally suitable (ie. Muslim countries) to absorb the refugees. Why doesn’t Saudi Arabia want them?
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:11am
    - Disaster Area
      
      Turkey: 2.7 million
      Lebanon: 1.5 million
      Jordan: 1.265 million
      Iraq: 1.1 million
      Saudia Arabia: 420,000
      UAE: 242,000
      Kuwait: 155,000
      Eygpt: Various figures up to 500,000
      Algeria:43,000
      Qatar: 40,000
      Malaysia: 5,000
      
      Yes, when will the muslim countries step up and do their part?
      [numbers from wikipedia]
      
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      December 21, 2016 11:41am
      - Disaster Area
        
        Wow, three downticks for showing that muslim countries are already doing what cmm wants them to do.
        
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        December 21, 2016 2:48pm
      - Kimbo
        
        Tough crowd, especially to those bringing unwelcome facts! 😉
        
        Keep it up.
        
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        December 21, 2016 2:51pm
  - Padriv Ustoev
    
    @Stephie
    Go read a history book – tragic victim of public education system.
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:15am
    - stephieboy
      
      Padriv Ustoev ,
      
      You a tragic victim of self taught from infancy onwards.
      
      Duh !
      
      History Book ? This kind ?
      
      https://www.amazon.com/Mein-Kampf-Adolf-Hitler/dp/817224164X
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:38am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        Mein Kampf is not a history book you stupid peasant.
        
        Its a part Autobiography part political manifesto.
        
        History books is something like this:
        
        https://www.amazon.com/Hezbollah-History-Princeton-Studies-Politics/dp/0691160813/ref=zg_bs_5004_7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=20XN55065XMSE7BRJT0G
        
        OR
        
        https://www.amazon.com/Arabs-History-Eugene-Rogan/dp/0465025048/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=Q6HMC4CKN955KWPWSB7D
        
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        December 21, 2016 10:02am
      - pentwig
        
        FFS
        daffy you are totally insane
        
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        December 21, 2016 1:19pm
- kowtow
  
  To an extent it already is. Lots of Muslim ghettoes harbouring terror and division.
  
  http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/742883/Immigration-French-women-protests-take-back-streets-Muslim-majority-areas-France-Paris
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:00am
Happychappy

I wonder when Paddy “excuse for a Journalist”will release a Hub Political Poll and whether they will have Labour in front.Now that Paul Henry has left and Duncan the Phil Twyford cheerleader on housing is the host of the Hub’s Breakfast Show the Labour Party will have know worry’s on having no money as these two clowns will provide free advertising with their favorite MP’s .
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December 21, 2016 8:36am
- VicParking
  
  No copy in National romping home in the election. MSM will say ‘Lets push Labour, at least if its close we will have some headlines otherwise nothing’
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:00am
freemark

Beautiful sunny day in the Wairarapa. Daughters down from Waiheke for a few days – bliss. Dozens of rivers to swim in, some Kai moana to grapple with. Large selection of quality alcoholic beverages to enjoy over the next couple of weeks. New big contract signed for the New Year. If only all the lefties would STFU and go to Venezuela or N Korea life would be perfect. ?
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December 21, 2016 8:37am
- stigie
  
  The lefties would be so offended by what you just said freemark..?
  You cant be seen to be enjoying yourself !~
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:45am
  - VicParking
    
    Or not being able to walk across rivers stepping from cow poo to cow poo
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:02am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Allah Bless Infidel New Zealand,
  
  Perhaps if we can just get all the BBQs to be Halal, then it would be perfect.
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:52am
- Jack5
  
  Freemark, your: “Dozens of rivers to swim in”.
  
  So the Greens have been exaggerating.
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:59am
dime

so just to get this straight..

a shit bag paki muslim low iq loser drives a truck into a crowd and kills 9 people? injures another 50…

BBC (the news outlet not a big black cock) says – lorry kills 9!

CNN – truck accident!

what planet are these people on??

and they wonder why brexit and trump won
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December 21, 2016 8:46am
- stephieboy
  
  dime , and what does Trump propse to do about it other than the same kind of condemination as his predecessor ?
  
  Invade Berlin , Zurich and Ankara ?
  
  The BBC provides more than ample coverage of the attack e.g ,
  
  http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38377428
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:53am
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Yeha the lorry was actually a sentient machine – a la The Transformers. Went full Megatron on the Germans all on its own.
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:54am
  - stephieboy
    
    Padrev Ustoev,
    
    The headline here from my above link describes much better than your diatribe ,
    
    “A lorry smashed into a crowded Christmas market in central Berlin, killing 12 people and injuring 48, with 18 of them in a critical condition.”
    
    “German police are treating it as a terror attack. It has already been compared with the July lorry attack in Nice, southern France, which killed 86 people.
    
    Police are still hunting the killer and any accomplices. Investigators have released a 23-year-old Pakistani man who was detained on Monday night.
    
    He denied any involvement and, after questioning, no charges were pressed against him….”
    
    What do you feel needs to be added to it ?
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:58am
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      “Terrorist attack in Berlin involving a lorry kills 18, injures 48, ruins Christmas for thousands. Shit bag economic migrants suspected.”
      
      Something like that Steph.
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:01am
      - stephieboy
        
        Padriv Ustoev , even Trumpists favoured Daily Mail wont satisfy you ,
        
        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4049442/Terror-attack-fears-lorry-ploughs-Christmas-market-Berlin-leaving-two-people-dead.html
        
        Media whether the Daily Mail or MSM BBC there is a preference to focus on the facts and not your kind of over blown rhetoric .
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:10am
      - Padriv Ustoev
        
        LOL WTF does Trump have to do with this? You dunce.
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:11am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘ even Trumpists favoured Daily Mail wont satisfy you ,’
        Says the boy who links to the Daily Mail constantly on here. You like looking at the pictures eh.
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:24am
      - stephieboy
        
        All On Red , you mean the Melania girl on girl ones you love to slober and perv over ?
        
        Expecting the President elect to order an airborne invasion of Berlin ?
        
        How is the stalking going on this festive season ?
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:27am
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘All On Red , you mean the Melania girl on girl ones you love to slober and perv over ?’
        Says the boy who has posted them numerous times.
        
        ‘How is the stalking going on this festive season ?’
        Says the boy who goes to Parks and Malls and writes about perving at young girls.
        What a creep
        
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        December 21, 2016 10:05am
    - kowtow
      
      “What do you feel needs to be added to it ?”
      
      Allah akbar?
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:03am
      - stephieboy
        
        kowtow , the BBC and Daily Mail seem to be things just find .
        
        What do think the President elect will add to it ?
        
        Invade and occupy Berlin , Zurich and Ankara ?
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:13am
- VicParking
  
  Red Radio is saying a Pakistan migrant has been released due to lack of evidence.
  BBC are saying he had nothing to do with it
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:06am
  - simpleton1
    
    I wonder if the poor disoriented mixed up gender truck driver disturbed a muslima and wrenched from her a niqab, or better still a burka, to hide those possible blood stains from the original possibly ‘self’ shot truck driver.
    
    I seem all mixed up, transmogrifying trucks or is it trans-truckees? transformers?
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:11am
    - stephieboy
      
      Unlike you and others the Police investigating authorities in Berlin prefer to go by facts and evidence not blustering stab in the dark guesswork and speculation .
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:16am
      - simpleton1
        
        The police blustering facts picked up a Pakistani, possibly, acting as a decoy, taking the heat off the chase, whilst the perpetrator, seems to have disappeared, maybe under a handy burka? a handy taxi, then on to a “safe house” and now hiding in a sanctuary like a nearby church/cathedral.
        
        Well the evidence of “blood stains” in the truck cab suggests that the final driver would have had some bloodstains, and some how there is a cover up? was it hijab over or possibly burkarized.?
        
        Well I did say I was all mixed up when others had mentioned transformers.
        Are you sure you are not trans, or all mixed up? as the facts and evidence, only turned up a waste of time, possible decoy, heading to 16000 comments
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:40am
      - Tauhei Notts
        
        When the time comes that I am so stupid that after drinking a litre of Captain Morgan I get behind the wheel of my car and in a drunken stupor I maim a child I will want Stephieboy to defend me, for when it comes to defending the indefencible he is without peer.
        
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        December 21, 2016 1:33pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        @Tauhei Notts
        
        I will want Stephieboy to defend me, for when it comes to defending the indefencible he is without peer.
        
        I think you would be better off employing some-one (any-one) else. I don’t think stephieboy has a very high success rate in convincing anyone of anything.
        
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        December 21, 2016 3:29pm
Monique Watson

And what’s the point of this? Thanks Smalley for wasting my time. Let’s just all feel a bit more shit for Christmas:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11770818
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December 21, 2016 9:02am
- Paulus Gnome
  
  It was tagged Smalley and the point I lost interest but thanks for taking one for the team there.
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:07am
- dime
  
  feel shit about what?
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:12am
- Inandout
  
  Smalley will no doubt accept 5 Arab children into her home to show her ‘humanity’.
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:16am
  - stephieboy
    
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.
    Rachel Smalley has in fact nailed it about Alan Duff’s disgraceful and appalling” Aleppo is not our problem ”
    ‘I could well imagine Duff and his fawning followers saying the same about German Jew refugees trying to flee Nazi Germany , “Not our Problem ”
    
    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/File:Daily_mail_1938.jpg
    
    DUH !
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:22am
    - Paulus Gnome
      
      The Alan Duff article in case anyone missed it
      
      http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=11769763
      
      There is a riposte from Smalley which I did not read as Smalley was involved
      
      I thought AD’s article was incisive
      
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      December 21, 2016 10:23am
      - Salacious Crumb
        
        Stephieboy – They aren’t our problem. Let’s focus on stopping sectors of our own community from killing their own kids before we start worrying about ethnic and secular conflicts on the other side of the world.
        
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        December 21, 2016 10:49am
    - Inandout
      
      The German Jew refugees in most cases added immensely to NZ culture, and indeed any country they settled in. They rarely brought baggage and hate to their hosts, they weren’t bombers, they weren’t sewer rats.
      
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      December 21, 2016 10:57am
      - Jack5
        
        Inandout is correct. Jewish people have added much to NZ, and not only in business and culture. Even in Southland where PM English and his mates are spending Christmas. Invercargill has had Jewish mayors – Abe Wachner, a severely wounded NZ World War 1 veteran, and Eve Poole, an Israeli soldier in a Jewish unit serving with the British Army who married a Southlander and came to NZ as a war bride. I say Israeli soldier. She was from what became Israel shortly after the war.
        
        In nearby Otago, Julius Vogel, became NZ’s first Jewish Prime Minister and was co-founder and first editor of the Otago Daily Times.
        
        Western culture (in the broad sense) is based heavily on Greek and Roman culture and Christianity, which is an offshoot of Judaism. IMHO, Judaism is compatible with Western culture. Islam is not.
        
        The Stephies try to brand the West’s reaction to the present Islamic invasion as a new version of anti-Semitism.
        
        The Stephies ignore that the expulsion of Jews from North Africa and most Middle Eastern states since the founding of Israel.
        
        The Stephies ignore that the pogroms against Jews in Russia, Poland, and elsewhere in Europe (including England’s expulsion of them in 1290 – for 200 years – and the Nazi genocide) were not prompted by any terrorism or violence by Jews.
        
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        December 21, 2016 12:09pm
      - Kimbo
        
        @ Jack5
        
        Western culture (in the broad sense) is based heavily on Greek and Roman culture and Christianity, which is an offshoot of Judaism. IMHO, Judaism is compatible with Western culture. Islam is not.
        
        I’m inclined to agree and it centres around one issue – everything else is a manifestation or symptom of the incompatibility. It is not so much the separation of church/synangogue and state, but more that neither Christianity nor Judaism require/demand subjugation of the state to a theocracy or overtly religious system of government. In a sense Zionism (a secular late 19th philosophy) and even something as long-lasting as Christendom were aberrations, or at least options. But the early church wanted nothing from Caesar than religious tolerance, and even then was not a threat to his regime when persecuted. Similarly. as per the Hebrew canon in response to the destruction of the first Jerusalem temple and resulting exile (the books of Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Daniel in particular), Judaism, despite the requirements of the Torah, can function without a temple and Israeli state, and also in Diaspora – and wait for the coming age for a perfect government.
        
        However, Islam demands the unity of mosque and state in this age.
        
        But…Moslems are capable of living in contradiction to the demands of their faith. And they do. The problem is reforming it, or at least Muslims themselves reforming it.
        
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        December 21, 2016 12:20pm
  - simpleton1
    
    Smalley “on that basis, then Rwanda was none of our business, either.
    Nor was the Ethiopian famine in the 1980s.”
    
    Population of Ethiopia then was under 40 million.
    Population is now 94 million.
    
    Ethiopia has one of the highest increases in GDP over that period of time. A great success yeah right.
    
    Per capita GDP has stayed very much the same.
    No wonder many of them look to join the immigration train as well, to be an economic refugee.
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      Ehthiopa , suitable case for Nuking ?
      
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      December 21, 2016 10:42am
      - simpleton1
        
        Why are you so keen on mentioning nuking?
        What is the context of your nuking topic?
        
        Ethiopia has a wonderful increase of GDP !
        
        Did Band Aid & Live Aid solve their individual problems?
        By the measure of GDP growth it seems to have, but individually , per capita the GDP has remained.
        
        Do you think nuking would help them stephieboy?
        Do you mean they should have nukes stephieboy?
        Who do you think they should nuke stephieboy?
        Perhaps you mean the population is nuking exploding, yet they remain just as poor, per capita.
        
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        December 21, 2016 11:00am
- Jack5
  
  Smalley is up to it again. Remember when she was campaigning for NZ to open its doors to the refugee wave that had put Europe under its greatest stress since World War 2?
  
  With her expertise about dieting (her broadcasted judgment: NZ women are lardo’s), Smalley’s fit at best for concocting some sort of diet-food column.
  
  A sad effect of the economic decline of the print media and its merging with also declining radio media, is the dive in editorial newspaper comment standards. Air burble like Smalley’s wouldn’t have crept into a print a decade or two ago.
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:53am
  - dime
    
    is she blowing someone at zb?
    
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    December 21, 2016 12:29pm
  - RF
    
    What actually happened about Smalleys publicised overseas jaunt to follow the refugees.
    
    She came back and nothing further was said.
    
    I guess it was not as bad she hoped it was.
    
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    December 21, 2016 1:36pm
Disaster Area

Just so the Middle East doesn’t get all of the attention: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/dec/20/man-barry-petticrew-ran-bomb-factory-northern-ireland-jailed-11-years
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December 21, 2016 9:10am
- gump
  
  Only eleven years for building massive bombs for a known terror group?
  
  A surprisingly lenient sentence.
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:29am
Manolo

Muslim terrorists are achieving their objective:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4050950/Terror-fears-safety-packed-crowds-Hyde-Park-s-Winter-Wonderland.html
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December 21, 2016 9:25am
Scott

Isis have claimed responsibility for the attack in Germany. That normally settles it if anyone was in doubt that its some sort of Muslim jihad.
Hopefully Germany will stand up for itself and firstly stop bringing in any more Muslims and secondly start expelling the ones they have bought in.
Unlike the once proud French who appear to be determined to become an Islamic nation.
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December 21, 2016 9:29am
- stephieboy
  
  Scott , what is the President elect going to do about the Berlin , Zurich and Ankara attacks ?
  
  Order an invasion ?
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:34am
  - simpleton1
    
    Why Zurich?
    After all Switzerland has pretty good self defence systems.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:02am
    - sooty
      
      Yeah, they all got acess to guns!
      
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      December 21, 2016 4:36pm
  - pentwig
    
    another gem daffy
    fool
    
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    December 21, 2016 1:38pm
Scott

We have been through this before stephieboy – 16,794 comments and still a fierce determination not to learn anything!?
For a start the President-elect is going to bomb the hell out of Isis and defeat them. Once Isis are defeated and normal government is restored and the situation in Syria and Iraq is stabilised then there can be a determination by Western governments about what to do with the refugees in their country?
One thing they could do when the situation is stabilised is send them all back. They are refugees from war after all. Once the war is over then send them back to their own country.
That’s where they belong. Muslim refugees just do not seem to be happy in western countries so they are better back in their own country.
Probably that’s what we could do with those ones in Dunedin as well once the situation in Syria and Iraq is stabilised.
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December 21, 2016 9:45am
- mikenmild
  
  How do you know that is Trump’s plan to defeat ISIS? I thought he was keeping it secret.
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:49am
  - fernglas
    
    It’s such a secret even he doesn’t know what it is; if I recall he was going to assemble a military council to come up with a solution. Before anybody gets indignant, I actually think that is a very good idea given Trump’s ignorance of the situation in the Middle East, and hopefully it will be a little bit smarter than “bombing the hell” out of a nebulous group who surround themselves with civilians. The Yanks fucked up the Middle East; if they had any balls they’d send in the Marines.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:08am
    - stephieboy
      
      fernglas
      
      ” The Yanks fucked up the Middle East; if they had any balls they’d send in the Marines.”
      
      They did that in Lebanon and in 2003 and failed .Why do you think they will suuceed this time around and why especially the Marines ?
      
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      December 21, 2016 10:32am
      - Disaster Area
        
        And Vietnam. And only got an uneasy truce in Korea.
        
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        December 21, 2016 10:42am
      - fernglas
        
        It’s an ironic expression, like “send in the cavalry”, except they don’t have cavalry any more.
        Steve, I sometimes like what you say here, but you have to admit that you’re a few chuckles shy of a laugh track.
        
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        December 21, 2016 10:47am
      - simpleton1
        
        The marines were part of the attack on cities in what what is today Morrocco Algiers, Libya and won, though it did take 2 wars .
        
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_Wars
        
        In those days they followed through.
        
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        December 21, 2016 11:19am
      - stephieboy
        
        Simpleton1 , the Barbary wars were fought 1815 . Rather different conditions prevail today I would say .
        
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        December 21, 2016 5:24pm
  - dime
    
    President Elect Trump to you cucky 🙂
    
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    December 21, 2016 12:31pm
    - Gabby
      
      Cuck soccer.
      
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      December 21, 2016 2:29pm
- stephieboy
  
  Scott , oh well just inform me when he actually plans to ” bomb the hell our of ISIS” ?
  
  Will he ask the Iraqi government or will he over overthrow that one also ? You seem vague on that point ?
  
  Will the President elect demand European countries deport their refugees ?
  
  Will he demand the same of those in Dunedin ?
  
  3, 193 comments and you have a lot to learn !
  
  Sheesh !
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:28am
  - Scott
    
    Certainly stephieboy happy to help –
    – that’s the “secret” part. He’s not going to announce next Tuesday we will bomb the hell out of Isis. It’s called the Art of surprise. You don’t tell the enemy what you going to do.
    – I don’t suppose he will overthrow the current Iraqi government. He will probably do a deal with them to overthrow Isis probably in exchange for oil.
    – No he won’t demand European countries deport their refugees. The European countries themselves will be able to do so because that will be safe for the refugees back in their own country.
    – I’m not sure about Dunedin. From a geopolitical point of view I suspect the next president of the United States will have a lot more to focus on than the good folk of Dunedin. Of course if there is a terrorist attack in Dunedin then all bets are off.
    Hope that helps stephieboy. Try and remember my answers. So you don’t ask me the same questions next week.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:48am
    - Jack5
      
      Scott, the Stephies are a troll team we are all guilty of feeding.
      
      However, if you want to see what Trump’s foreign policy direction is going to be watch his Youngstown speech. It’s over an hour long, and unfortunately the best bits are near the end, but you will get a feeling for what is coming.
      
      I put this link up in a post late last night, but I think it’s worth repeating.
      
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpLR4GgAL2g
      
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      December 21, 2016 12:20pm
- Disaster Area
  
  ‘For a start the President-elect is going to bomb the hell out of Isis and defeat them. Once Isis are defeated and normal government is restored and the situation in Syria and Iraq is stabilised then there can be a determination by Western governments about what to do with the refugees in their country?’
  
  Firstly, can you describe the ‘normal government’ that has previously existed in either Iraq or Syria? For bonus points, do so without using the word ‘dictator’.
  
  Secondly, please put a time scale on when this will all be achieved. You can include the nearly 14 years in which the US has been trying in Iraq.
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:40am
  - Scott
    
    Happy to comment disaster area.
    – Unfortunately normal government in the Middle East right now, with the exception of Israel, is a dictator/strongman who will run the country. If they ever got rid of Islam and became Christian then things might change. But under Islam and their conception of God a dictator/strongman is the best one can expect right now.
    – A timescale is difficult to predict precisely but I would suggest that Isis will be defeated in 2017. It’s what, 30,000 guys? I would imagine the West could take them with 2 well-equipped army divisions and air support.
    But don’t forget the situation in Iraq was stable following the surge and when Obama came into office. It was him that destabilised the region by prematurely withdrawing the residual American troops and therefore fatally weakening the Iraqi situation and allowing a vacuum to develop into which stepped Isis.
    So the situation was stable when Obama came into office and so could be stable again. We just need a different president than the feckless incumbent who has been wrong about every following policy issue he has touched.
    
    I feel good about Trump’s foreign policy. Scott predicts Isis will be just a memory by this time next year.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:54am
    - Disaster Area
      
      ‘Scott predicts Isis will be just a memory by this time next year.’
      
      https://www.theworldwar.org/explore/exhibitions/online-exhibitions/over-christmas
      
      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7034587/Two-generals-bet-5-over-the-fate-of-Europe.html
      
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      December 21, 2016 11:07am
      - mikenmild
        
        Scott is naive and credulous though.
        Fifteen years into the War on Terror and he thinks the US is on the verge of victory.
        Maybe he can see a quick end to the War on Drugs as well…
        
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        December 21, 2016 11:25am
    - Paulus
      
      Iran is the one to watch (Hezbollah). It has strengthened its position alongside Russia and Syria and will now concentrate on Jordan – one of the only sane ones left .
      Iran wants a corridor to the Mediterranean – through Iraq, Syria, Jordan.
      From which it will attack Israel via Lebanon as currenntly.
      The fractured Muslims will then go further in conjunction with Turkey and takeover the North African coast which is really Muslim anyway.
      Remember Russian has already set up a huge combined Military Base c/o Assad on the Mediterranean coast.
      Frightening really, but not for me, my Children and Grandchildren.
      
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      December 21, 2016 11:23am
    - Disaster Area
      
      I would also think that sending two entire Divisions into that area would be a) prohibitively expensive and b) political suicide.
      
      There is no mainstream appetite amongst the population in the US for sending troops back over to Iraq/Syria and to do so would mean admitting that they were wrong to leave in the first place.
      
      Let’s face it, the whole of the UK/UK approach to Iraq, Libya and Syria has been a complete shambles from Day 1.
      
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      December 21, 2016 12:12pm
    - Gabby
      
      Scott may have his head firmly wedged up his isis.
      
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      December 21, 2016 2:12pm
Rodney Randall

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/20/german-prosecutors-release-suspected-christmas-market-attacker.html

“We may still have a dangerous criminal out there,” Berlin police chief Klaus Kandt said.

Time for the far right to rise up.

Germany: predicted to become an Islamic State by 2030
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December 21, 2016 9:59am
- stephieboy
  
  Rodney Randall ,
  
  Time for the far right to rise up ?
  
  Yeah they tried that in 1933 and look waht happned.
  
  Who says Germany will become and Islamic State in 2030 ? Breed like rats like the Nazis claimed Jews did ?
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:34am
- Inandout
  
  ‘The man, a Pakistani citizen who came to Germany last year, had been picked up based upon a description of the man who jumped out of the truck and fled. But prosecutors said he had denied any involvement in the attack. Prosecutors also said no forensic evidence had been found proving that he was in the cab during the rampage, and no witnesses had followed him from the scene of the carnage to where he had been picked up.
  
  Under German law, prosecutors have until the end of the calendar day following an arrest to seek a formal arrest warrant keeping a suspect in custody’.
  
  About time Germany introduced some ‘Homeland’ type legislation. One day in custody is a ridiculous time to gather evidence, and what if this Paki disappears only to emerge at the next attack?
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:05am
  - Odakyu-sen
    
    I am surprised that the Germans don’t use the Japanese police approach.
    “Under Japanese law, persons suspected of a crime can be detained for 23 days without charge. The length of detention, up to the maximum period, is at the discretion of the public prosecutor and subject to the approval of local courts.” (Ref: http://japan.embassy.gov.au/tkyo/arrests.html)
    
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    December 21, 2016 12:14pm
Scott

Mikey – for a 26,000 comments man you are surprisingly ill informed. Trump stated repeatedly in his campaign rallies that he would “bomb the hell out of Isis”.
For what it’s worth I think that a Secretary of defence with the title “mad dog Mattis” could probably be relied upon the bomb the hell out of the enemy.
Regarding Trump keeping things a secret that was a reference to not telegraphing the specific battle plan to the media and therefore to the enemy before war commences. I think it was Winston Churchill who remarked about the need for secrecy and stealth regarding your battle plan. It was him that said “the truth is so precious that it needs to be wrapped in layers of deception and lies”.
But anyway as one of Kiwi blogs more reliable pundits I can assure you that if Trump says he will bomb the hell out of Isis then Isis will be bombed.
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December 21, 2016 10:01am
- jonar
  
  I can assure you that if Trump says he will bomb the hell out of Isis then Isis will be bombed
  
  Why do you think that given he’s gone back on a lot of his campaign promises? Hillary no longer a criminal etc etc.
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:32am
  - Scott
    
    What I would say is that the left have been wrong about Trump for the best part of 2 years. “Trump’s not gonna win the primary”, he wins the primary but then “Trump’s not gonna win the general”, he wins the general election.
    
    Now it’s “Trump’s not going to follow through on his campaign promises”. If Trump says he is going to bomb the hell out of Isis then Isis will be bombed. Particularly when you have a secretary of defence called “mad dog”.
    
    I feel pretty confident that Isis will be destroyed in 2017.
    
    Also don’t worry yourself about Hillary Clinton. There will be a new attorney general in 2017 and that person will make the determination about prosecuting Hillary or not. Personally I think she should face criminal charges for her handling of classified information on her private email server.
    
    Also there probably still is an ongoing investigation into the Clinton foundation and its ties with foreign governments and the suggestion of “pay for play”. The new attorney general is probably not going to be as lenient as the current attorney general in not pursuing criminal charges against Hillary Clinton.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:43am
- stephieboy
  
  Scott , as mentioned 3,198 comments later and you have a lot to learn .
  
  DUH !
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:36am
  - Scott
    
    I know stephieboy – it’s only after you have commented 15,000 times that people should take you seriously 🙂
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:57am
    - Jack5
      
      Scott, 15,800 under-estimates the activity of the Stephie troll team. Only a poster’s first post in a thread is counted.
      
      I reckon the Stephie count would be at least 100,000. Then add their down ticks and it much be heading towards a million.
      
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      December 21, 2016 12:24pm
  - pentwig
    
    fool daffy
    
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    December 21, 2016 2:03pm
- mikenmild
  
  I think Churchill’s word were: “In wartime truth is so precious she must always be accompanied by a bodyguard of lies”.
  https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bodyguard-Lies-Anthony-Cave-Brown/dp/0060105518/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1482272925&sr=8-1&keywords=bodyguard+of+lies
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:29am
- Gabby
  
  He can’t find his isis with both hands.
  
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  December 21, 2016 2:08pm
Manolo

She must go. Merkel’s ruinous legacy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4052696/Germany-s-year-hell-country-rocked-seven-terror-attacks-leaving-22-dead.html

Germany has been subjected to a year of terror with 22 innocent people killed in seven different attacks since January. Some 112 people have been wounded in the attacks which have used explosives, firearms, knives an axe and now an articulated truck.

Several of the attacks have been claimed by ISIS and have involved asylum seekers from Syria and Afghanistan.
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December 21, 2016 10:12am
Manolo

Another useful idiot at The Guardian tries to spin it:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/20/ankara-berlin-terror-islamist-farage-right
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December 21, 2016 10:21am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo , when will Trump actually ” bomb the hell out of ISIS ” ?
  
  Keep us updated !
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:38am
  - Manolo
    
    You can be sure that President Trump will show more determination to fight ISIS than his predecessor, the enfeebled Obama, your hero.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:48am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, we will wait if your hero’s bloated rhetoric will match actual reality .
      
      https://i.ytimg.com/vi/7ype_tiscDc/hqdefault.jpg
      
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      December 21, 2016 11:58am
  - pentwig
    
    when will you stop perving at little girls daffy?
    keep us updated!
    
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    December 21, 2016 2:06pm
    - stigie
      
      Don’t be too harsh on Daffy pentwig, it could be worse, he could be perving at little boys..?
      
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      December 21, 2016 2:42pm
      - pentwig
        
        i am sure it does
        steffieboy = transgender
        muslim lover
        probably enjoys goats and camels
        and an absolute total fuckwit
        pervs on young teenagers at mt roskill cafes
        what a sick fucken troll
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:06pm
cmm

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/87806746/kfc-to-roll-out-home-deliveries-across-new-zealand

That’s the last bit of bro exercise gone.
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December 21, 2016 10:26am
- Manolo
  
  KFC forecasts that South Auckland and Gisborne deliveries will go through the roof.
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:31am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo , a closeted member of the food police after all ?
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:39am
    - Manolo
      
      Far from it. I reckon KFC should open branches wherever the business opportunities are!
      
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      December 21, 2016 10:49am
      - stephieboy
        
        Manolo, sure . Like KFC Indonesia ,
        
        http://www.kfcindonesia.com/themes/kfc_indonesia/images/kfc-pesan-antar-background.jpg
        
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        December 21, 2016 12:03pm
      - Manolo
        
        Finger licking good!
        
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        December 21, 2016 2:11pm
    - pentwig
      
      explain how you came to that conclusion fool.
      
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      December 21, 2016 2:09pm
  - Happychappy
    
    Haven’t we got a obesity problem in NZ already,but I suppose those that can’t afford it will be the first to have it delivered.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:48am
Fletch

Calculations show exactly why the U.S has the electoral college. Yes, Hillary won the so-called ‘popular vote’, but it turns out that the only reason she did is because of California.

Democrats who are having trouble getting out of the first stage of grief — denial — aren’t being helped by the fact that, now that all the votes are counted, Hillary Clinton’s lead in the popular vote has topped 2.8 million, giving her a 48% share of the vote compared with Trumps 46%.

To those unschooled in how the United States selects presidents, this seems totally unfair. But look more closely at the numbers and you see that Clinton’s advantage all but disappears.

As we noted in this space earlier, while Clinton’s overall margin looks large and impressive, it is due to Clinton’s huge margin of victory in one state — California — where she got a whopping 4.3 million more votes than Trump.

California is the only state, in fact, where Clinton’s margin of victory was bigger than President Obama’s in 2012 — 61.5% vs. Obama’s 60%.

But California is the exception that proves the true genius of the Electoral College — which was designed to prevent regional candidates from dominating national elections.

If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes. And if California voted like every other Democratic state — where Clinton averaged 53.5% wins — Clinton and Trump end up in a virtual popular vote tie.

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

This is EXACTLY why the founding fathers instituted the Electoral College. So that one big state couldn’t dominate all the others in an election.
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December 21, 2016 11:02am
- mikenmild
  
  My understanding is that the electoral college was instituted as a bulwark against direct democracy, which was not well regarded by the patrician founding fathers.
  Happy to be corrected.
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:32am
Scott

Look you guys are been wrong about Trump for 2 years.
But here is my prediction – Trump will build a wall, in his own words it’s called “construction” and he’s very good at that.
Lots of illegal alien criminals will be incarcerated and/or deported.
Once the border is secured then a determination will be made as to what to do with the rest of the illegal aliens residing in the United States.
He is already draining the swamp. He has brought in some top guys from the military and from business in key cabinet roles.
I am of the opinion that Hillary will face criminal charges in 2017. There are many in Congress who feel deeply about what Hillary has done and as I say a new attorney general will not be as lenient as the current attorney general.

So let’s wait and see. But don’t embarrass yourself by making further negative comments about Trump when you have been wrong for 2 years. Otherwise you might get a guest spot on CNN where they appear to have learned nothing.
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December 21, 2016 11:02am
- William of Ockham
  
  Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump Christmas time
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdyal_osAts
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:13am
- stephieboy
  
  Scott , the wall ? Donating it ? Mexico wont be paying after all ? Costings ?
  
  Once the wall is built and then ? We will have to wait and see?
  
  Draining the swamp ??
  
  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/10/donald-trump-drain-swamp-cabinet-picks-billionaires
  Hillary face criminal charges ? For doing what exactly ?
  
  Neagative comments about Trump ?
  
  Reneged on locking her up !
  
  The same for refusing to settle Trump University law suits ?
  
  BTW what does that say about his University ?
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:53am
  - Scott
    
    “Hillary facing criminal charges? For what exactly?”
    
    You don’t know why Hillary might be facing criminal charges stephieboy? No idea? No one has ever mention the words “Private email server” to you?
    
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    December 21, 2016 1:55pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Scott , specify the criminal nature of the offence ? Recall GWB sent 1 million emails on an unsecured private server ?
      
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      December 21, 2016 5:31pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Lets see what the FBI cones up with on the Clinton Foundation.
        
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        December 21, 2016 5:35pm
  - pentwig
    
    think before you write daffy- think!
    
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    December 21, 2016 2:11pm
starboard

Morning Trendsetters ! A beautiful balmy morning here in Phuket ! 24 deg and its only 5am. Ocean is like warm soup..just beautiful. High season here so unfortunately packed with smelly arrogant and rude russians who think its flash to walk up and down Karon beach wearing a thin g string pulled right up their arse. That’s just the blokes. One guy’s gut was so fat he almost needed a sack barrow to move it. Anyhoo, off for a walky along the beachfront then back to the condo for a fresh fruit brekky. Some good perving over here by the way steffybot, hell there’s even a couple of Starbuck’s packed with nubile young muslim girls for your gratification.
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December 21, 2016 11:09am
- Manolo
  
  For a discerning Muslim, at age 11 or 12 the girls are almost spinsters! ?
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:13am
- mikenmild
  
  There was I thinking starboard was still pretending to be on the Gold Coast.
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:35am
  - All_on_Red
    
    Does your Mum miss him when he’s on holiday?
    
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    December 21, 2016 1:49pm
    - mikenmild
      
      You mean does my imaginary Mum miss the imaginary heterosexual starboard when he’s on his imaginary holidays?
      
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      December 21, 2016 2:05pm
      - starboard
        
        She loves it MM..gags for it..
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:55pm
    - Gabby
      
      Does your left foot miss him when he’s on holiday?
      
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      December 21, 2016 6:14pm
- PhilP
  
  Starboard, What about the nubile young muslim boys for your gratification?
  
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  December 21, 2016 1:56pm
  - stigie
    
    Nah, leave that to Daffy !~
    
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    December 21, 2016 2:45pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Starboard:
  
  … rude russians who think its flash to walk up and down Karon beach wearing a thin g string pulled right up their arse. That’s just the blokes. …
  
  You seem to have looked closely at these G-strings that are (based on your close-up examination) only just covering the Russian blokes’ asses? 🙂
  
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  December 21, 2016 3:18pm
  - stigie
    
    Easy Nostra, you will be getting some of the girlie men here all barred up over Starboard’s delicate observation ole chap..?
    
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    December 21, 2016 4:19pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Good point Stigie. Would the girly-men who comment on Kiwiblog please identify yourselves?
      
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      December 21, 2016 4:23pm
      - pentwig
        
        come on daffy, out yourself
        be brave
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:10pm
      - mikenmild
        
        It would enhance stephie’s allure for pentwig were he to confess to homosexual inclinations.
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:17pm
mandk

EAD: “Just as there is often a black sheep in every family, there are plenty of *ssh*l*s descended from European stock, but at least they’re our *ssh*l*s”

Translation: “There are bad buggers around, but it’s ok as long as they are not wogs”

Yes, it is clear, EAD, you are simply racist.
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December 21, 2016 11:20am
- mikenmild
  
  Well, one can’t really be a Nazi without being racist, it is intrinsic.
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:37am
Manolo

The FBI thought the mole was a risk:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/dec/20/fbi-feared-huma-abedins-laptop-had-been-hacked-con/
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December 21, 2016 11:34am
- stephieboy
  
  Huma Abedins a Kim Philby ? Another Pizzagate in the making ?
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:40am
  - Inandout
    
    She spent time in Saudi, and is a bit of a mystery woman. It is the closest that Islam would have got to have an embedded sympathiser in the White House. The US had a narrow escape on this one.
    
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    December 21, 2016 12:03pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Inandout ,
      
      BS !
      
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      December 21, 2016 5:33pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Huma did spend time in Saudi Arabia. Her parents have strong links there. Dubious links too.
        
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        December 21, 2016 5:37pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All on Wed , Ok she’s been to Saudi. The mystery and the factual evidence she was an ” embedded Sympathiser ?
        
        Jumped on the Pizzagate bandwagon ?
        
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        December 21, 2016 5:45pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        ‘All on Wed’
        Hahahaha, is that the best you got? You are truly pathetic. Why are you here? Judging by the opprobrium heaped on you by everyone you’re clearly not wanted.
        Even Mikey says “Stephieboy- Kiwiblogs dumbest commentator”
        
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        December 21, 2016 5:50pm
      - stephieboy
        
        All On Wed , I consider it an honour to receive the opprobrium from Trumpist alt right dorks like you !
        
        Pizza gate not extreme enough for your tastes ?
        
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        December 21, 2016 5:52pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        You have no honour. Creep. I hope someone catches you perving in the Mall and in the Park.
        
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        December 21, 2016 5:55pm
      - stephieboy
        
        neither do you , stalker !
        
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        December 21, 2016 5:58pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Hahahahaha, you’re the Mall and Park stalker eh peeping boy.
        You call people alt right but you are ‘sick all right’!
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:01pm
      - pentwig
        
        why daffy?
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:12pm
  - stephieboy
    
    All on Wed , visit your shrink ,
    
    http://www.qmedicine.co.in/top%20doctors/images/demo/Psychiatrist.png
    
    Heh, heh, heh…
    
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    December 21, 2016 6:02pm
    - All_on_Red
      
      http://thriveboston.com/counseling/overcoming-voyeurism-peeping-tom-spying-sex-therapy-techniques/
      
      Perhaps you should lay off the Melania fascination and looking at pictures in the Daily Mail. That can’t be helping…
      Sick All Right!
      Heh, heh, heh…
      
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      December 21, 2016 6:06pm
      - stephieboy
        
        ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz…
        
        https://tennesseelove.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/stalking-4.png
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:16pm
      - All_on_Red
        
        Stalking malls and parks by your own admission. You’ve even got the chart!
        Sick All Right!
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:20pm
    - pentwig
      
      heh,heh heh
      you keep on giving daffy
      fool
      keep it up
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:14pm
James Stephenson

I’ve just been up the road, leafing through the Shabby Little Tabloid while I waited for my overpriced poncy coffee, and noticed the photo of Blinglish’s first cabinet meeting.

Judith Collins is an experienced politician, I think it goes without saying, so what should we read into the fact that she chose to wear a yellow jacket for that photo? Am I, as an ACT voter, getting all excited for no reason?
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December 21, 2016 11:44am
- Colville
  
  She would be a natural fit and probably do ACT some good.
  
  I doubt Papakura would be another Epsom tho.
  
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  December 21, 2016 12:13pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Oh goodness, don’t you pay attention to this season’s fashion colour?
  http://www.marieclaire.co.uk/fashion/ss16-fashion-trend-report-the-best-women-s-fashion-trends-for-spring-2016-33519
  
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  December 21, 2016 2:07pm
- waikatogirl
  
  Maggy, you will look stunning in the main street of Gissy in one of those gingham designs! ?
  If you are lucky your hubby may put one under the Christmas tree for you. //
  
  Do those fashion designers take us for fools.
  LOL
  
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  December 21, 2016 6:44pm
Fletch

Cartoon – the liberal reaction to Trump –

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=698781916954232&set=a.108757499290013.19946.100004672903736&type=3&theater
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December 21, 2016 11:49am
Rodney Randall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5t9U9r9Kfs

Pedophilia is OK in Islam.

“Muslim rapists in Sweden enjoy impunity.” – Amnesty International

ISLAM is a cancer.
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December 21, 2016 11:51am
- Inandout
  
  Filthy religion.
  
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  December 21, 2016 12:15pm
Manolo

IS vs the Russians:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2447308/isis-spreads-locations-of-russian-embassies-online-to-incite-more-attacks-as-panicky-putin-boosts-security-after-shock-slaughter-of-ambassador/

Jihadis disseminated a PDF containing the addresses and contact information of Russian embassies following the shock slaughter of Moscow’s envoy to Ankara and the attack on a bustling Christmas market in Berlin on Monday.
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December 21, 2016 12:06pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  I would not have done that if I was the Jihadis.
  
  History teaches us that Russians will fuck you up bad.
  
  Historical example:
  
  http://articles.latimes.com/1986-01-07/news/mn-13892_1_soviets
  
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  December 21, 2016 12:14pm
  - UrbanNeocolonialist
    
    Illiterate camel-fuckers armed by west fought the USSR off. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War
    
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    December 21, 2016 1:04pm
    - Padriv Ustoev
      
      A lot of good that did them.
      
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      December 21, 2016 1:29pm
stephieboy

Rodney Randall, lies !

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/36d3z8/is_sweden_now_the_rape_capital_of_the_world_no/
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December 21, 2016 12:11pm
- Manolo
  
  Are you still advocating NZ should take more Muslim refugees?
  
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  December 21, 2016 12:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, yes . Lets say 500 from Aleppo !
    
    Next question .
    
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    December 21, 2016 5:34pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      Next question
      
      I’ll ask the next question – a two-part question.
      
      The first part: do you think NZ taxpayers have been adequately consulted about your proposal to accept an additional “500 from Aleppo” on top of our annual UN refugee intake commitments?
      
      The second part: how many of the “500 from Aleppo” will you host in your home; and, if the answer is “none” or “not many”, how many will you (as distinct from NZ taxpayers generally) financially support?
      
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      December 21, 2016 5:57pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Odd questions
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:02pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus, if you they accept my proposal then get off your keyboard and butt and do something .
        
        The second is the role of the Refugee settllement board . Not you or me silly little man.
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:12pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Mikenmild:
        
        Odd questions
        
        Yes, I’m being a bit flippant, but I’m inviting Stephieboy to grapple with a serious issue.
        
        From the Immigration New Zealand website:
        
        New Zealand accepts and provides full support for around 750 refugees each year. When refugees and asylum seekers arrive in New Zealand, we support them to settle in. We provide health care, education, language classes and support to find paying work.
        
        Manolo asked Stephieboy if he thinks we should “take more Muslim refugees”. Stephieboy said yes – “500 from Aleppo”. I interpreted Stephieboy’s comment as meaning that he thinks we should accept an overall greater number of refugees each year and, in doing so, we should specifically accept refugees from Aleppo. So, if he and likeminded people think that we should take in more refugees, then that’s imposing a cost on NZ taxpayers. Some might say it’s a cost for a worthwhile cause, but it’s at least worth asking the question.
        
        Another point is that we’d be selecting refugees from a specific geographical area, which may have implications for our broader refugee policy, particularly if it comes out of our current quota.
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:45pm
      - mikenmild
        
        We have already provided an additional number of places for refugees from Syria. Most of our refugees, though, continue to come from the Asia-Pacific region.
        The government approved a very modest increase to the refugee quota this year.
        Per capita, New Zealand still takes far fewer refugees than smilarly developed countries.
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:52pm
      - Jack5
        
        Re Milky at 6.52…
        
        Where did you get your refugee figures from, Milky?
        
        According the the UNHCR global trends report for 2015, in refugees settled per head of population in the receiving country, New Zealand ranked 8th. It was 4th in refugees received per the receiving nation’s GDP per capita.
        
        UNHCR ranked NZ higher than countries including Germany, Switzerland, Ireland, Italy.
        
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        December 21, 2016 7:13pm
      - mikenmild
        
        My mistake.
        
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        December 21, 2016 7:20pm
      - pentwig
        
        answer the question daffy
        
        bet you don’t.
        no intelligence to do so
        fool
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:18pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stephieboy:
      
      silly little man
      
      I’m looking for any sign of abuse in my questions to you that might have provoked this response. You know, Stephieboy, you really do yourself no favours by the way you comment here.
      
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      December 21, 2016 6:17pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Nostradamus , not abuse . Your questions were simple minded silliness .
        
        Or in other words screwy .
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:20pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stephieboy:
        
        simple minded silliness
        screwy
        
        You’re quite a smartass behind a keyboard, aren’t you?
        
        I could go through this thread from top to bottom and, in doing so, collect many examples of you abusing or belittling other commentators. Yes, you cop a bit of flack and sometimes respond to it, which is fine. But these are examples of you making unnecessarily gratuitous comments about me – unprovoked.
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:25pm
- Inandout
  
  Lies, or smoke and mirrors. One comment:
  
  ‘So you are denying that muslims and blacks are raping Swedish women at insanely high rates?
  Must be nice living in your fantasy world and ignoring the thousands of documented cases of African immigrants gang raping Swedish women, some as young as 11 years old’.
  
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  December 21, 2016 12:17pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Inandout , a alt right fetish about mindless falsehoods .
    
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    December 21, 2016 5:37pm
    - pentwig
      
      fool
      nosty is a little wrong
      you are not smart
      but you are certainly an arse
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:21pm
- simpleton1
  
  One must concede, stephieboy is right.
  South Africa is, then followed by
  Botswana.
  But just not to be racist,
  Sweden is third.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
  I wonder if this is what stephieboy means, by nuking them?
  Like he mentioned the nuking, population explosion of Ethiopia for GDP per capita effect, that was earlier mentioned in this thread.
  A real fix all nuking boy I would think
  
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  December 21, 2016 12:50pm
fernglas

“…..thousands of documented cases of African immigrants gang raping Swedish women, some as young as 11 years old’.”

Seems a rather extravagant assertion, Inandout, but I would be interested to see evidence.
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December 21, 2016 12:23pm
Fletch

Snow falls in the Sahara for the first time in 37 years, but, global warming, right?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4051448/A-unlikely-white-Christmas-Villagers-stunned-snow-falls-Sahara-time-37-YEARS.html
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December 21, 2016 12:25pm
- stephieboy
  
  Fletch , very deep !
  
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  December 21, 2016 6:01pm
  - pentwig
    
    daffy you fool
    very shallow
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:23pm
Manolo

Record times for the USD:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-forex-idUSKBN14901N?il=0

The dollar climbed to a 14-year high on Tuesday as Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen’s comments on jobs reinforced the notion of faster U.S. interest rate hikes next year than had been expected.

In light trading, the greenback strengthened against major currencies with the rise in U.S. Treasury yields after Yellen said on Monday that the U.S. labour sector was at its most robust in almost a decade, suggesting wage growth is picking up.
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December 21, 2016 12:48pm
wiseowl

The Baizley report out on Wellington rugby is a load of twaddle.
Stuff rugby and stuff the Hurricanes if the males can’t sort all this shit out without touchy feel reports and kowtowing to females .Oh we must have women on our boards and committees.
Bullshit.
PC crap that is weakening society .
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December 21, 2016 12:50pm
- Kimbo
  
  I think the only one talking crap is you. Dame bazley has a proven track -record of leading good, robust and practical enquiries. Her exposing of the legal-aid rort confirms she is not some PC snowflake.
  
  The new code of conduct should clearly cover off-field behaviour such as drunkenness violence and inappropriate sexual behaviour, matters which aren’t included – to Bazley’s surprise….Dame Margaret also said there needed to be “zero tolerance” for serious misconduct.
  
  http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11770918
  
  Sound stuff – and good organisations, including rugby clubs and unions, already do this anyway. But some are stupid or lax and have to be dragged into the 21st century. The Wellington Rugby Union has been the “soft underbelly” of NZ rugby administration for, oh, about 30 years, hence their relative failure on the field for most of that time compared to, say, Canterbury, a union of the same size. Plus, the Hurricanes have under-performed and should have won their first title a long time before 2016.
  
  Plus females, more than ever before, are stake-holders in the game, and their perspective deserves to be represented at a governance level.
  
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  December 21, 2016 1:02pm
burt

A safe seat for Gareth Morgan;

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/87773007/taupo-woman-and-dog-attacked-by-cat-gang
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December 21, 2016 1:28pm
- Padriv Ustoev
  
  Clearly a false flag attack orchestrated by Morgan to secure himself exposure in the media.
  
  That’s my conspiracy theory and I’m sticking to it.
  
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  December 21, 2016 1:34pm
- Lucia Maria
  
  Most likely a revenge attack by the cats – they’ll gang up on dangerous dogs that have threatened them or their kittens. There’s a story to that effect in the comments and I’d read another one like it where a cat, who had almost been killed by a dog attacked the dog from jumping on it’s back from a roof while the owner was walking it.
  
  Here’s the story from the comments:
  
  A similar thing happened when i was a kid, about 4 stray dogs entered our backyard (no fence), i knew there were kittens playing around so i rushed out with a stick and some stones to shoo them off but obviously i was not successful, they were not leaving and charging towards the kittens who let out a weird scream, nek minnit, 5 of my elder cats came out of nowhere and literally attacked the dogs, one climbed on one of the dogs and bit him on the next, the rest targeted the eyes, the dogs screamed like little girls and ran off..cats are territorial but they will defend their young.
  
  I note the dog was a husky – they tend to kill and even cats. It probably deserved it.
  
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  December 21, 2016 6:46pm
waikatogirl

Very unusual, but they obviously pegged the dog as gentle and an easy mark. ?

Has anyone checked TOP’s membership list to see if the cats are part of Gareth’s hierarchy?
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December 21, 2016 2:07pm
- rangitoto
  
  I had a tom cat when I was a kid that would take on dogs. He knew which ones to leave alone though. The fat pampered Alsatian next door was easy meat but he always gave a wide berth to my uncles farm dog when they were visiting.
  
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  December 21, 2016 2:36pm
- Disaster Area
  
  I have two dogs (SPCA specials) and two cats. Will the 50 kg dog go and sit on his bed when the cat is on it? Nope.
  
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  December 21, 2016 7:17pm
cha

Remember kids, no matches at the cracker market. (video inside)

At least 60 people have been hurt in an explosion at a fireworks market near Mexico City, local media report. https://t.co/WiHVYAj7l3 pic.twitter.com/T24satoqga— CNN (@CNN) December 20, 2016

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/811342766605090816
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December 21, 2016 2:16pm
Nostradamus

Hopefully Big Bruv will appreciate this cheerful Christmas story:

All Blacks great Richie McCaw has flown Santa into earthquake-battered Kaikoura today. An anonymous benefactor has paid for McCaw to helicopter Santa and a chopper-load of Christmas cheer into Kaikoura township and other quake-hit areas including Clarence, the cut-off Awatere Valley, the Inland Rd, and Culverden.
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December 21, 2016 4:03pm
- Kimbo
  
  Um, “cheerful” and “big bruv” don’t belong in the same sentence
  
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  December 21, 2016 4:35pm
rangitoto

Multicultural diversity dividend UK.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4053198/So-peace-goodwill-men-Machine-gun-police-guard-Canterbury-cathedral-nativity-scene-security-stepped-UK-wake-attack-Berlin.html
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December 21, 2016 4:20pm
- Inandout
  
  And only one cult is to blame.
  
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  December 21, 2016 5:13pm
Nostradamus

Stige:

I loved this exchange between you and VicParking up-thread:

VicParking: Up at 8, feed the dog, commented on KB and are back in bed. Who knows what will happen when the partner wakes up.

stigie: Nothing…., she’s bitchy with you !~

VicParking: He wasn’t

stigie: Oh dear, my bad !!

That’s on my list of memorable Kiwiblog exchanges in 2016. I’ll share 2 other classic exchanges. The first one was Starboard v Scott Chris on 25 April 2016:

Starboard: sorry scottchris, just been busy bangin away on ya mama..did you say something ?

Scott Chris: Well she’s been dead for a couple of years, but that doesn’t surprise me weirdo. Would you mind closing the lid and filling in the grave on your way out.

The second one was Starboard v Mikenmild on 29 May 2016:

Starboard: Hows ya mum mm..dont worry, I’ll roll over and ask ‘er..

Mikenmild: Mum hasn’t been to Christchurch again since that last time you couldn’t get it up, starboard. Even 80 year olds have standards…

Kiwiblog – where you find humour that you won’t find anywhere else!
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December 21, 2016 5:06pm
Inandout

Morgan poll has National dropping to 45. ‘The King is Dead, short live the King’.
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December 21, 2016 5:11pm
- nasska
  
  Don’t worry. Bill’s infectious personality & bon homme will save us in the long run//
  
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  December 21, 2016 5:24pm
- rangitoto
  
  The poll was done before Key resigned. It’s just the normal Roy Morgan bounce around.
  
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  December 21, 2016 7:16pm
  - Chuck Bird
    
    If the poll was done after Key’s resignation National would poll lower. It is highly unlikely that National can make 50% without Winston.
    
    I see National has already agreed Parliament’s Commerce Committee will to hear from Dame Fiona Kidman on why Solid Energy should be stopped from sealing the mine.
    
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    December 21, 2016 9:05pm
Nostradamus

This will please the people of Eketahuna:

KFC is looking at rolling out home delivery across New Zealand, but customers will have to wait until the middle of next year. … Following a successful trial, home delivery will then be rolled out to between a third and a half of KFC stores across New Zealand, Restaurant Brands said.

No need to drive down from the hills in your Sunday-best clothes, Nasska. They’ll deliver dinner to your doorstep!
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December 21, 2016 5:45pm
- nasska
  
  I reckon it’ll be a tad cold by the time it gets here.
  
  I’m a bit over 50 km from the nearest KFC.
  
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  December 21, 2016 5:48pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    That shouldn’t be a problem for you Nasska. Cold KFC will still taste like… chicken!
    
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    December 21, 2016 5:59pm
    - nasska
      
      More like it’ll revert to its natural state.
      
      Congealed grease!
      
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      December 21, 2016 6:04pm
  - stigie
    
    Thought they would have McDonalds, KFC and Burgerking in the CBD by now Nasska, nice treat for Mrs Nasska and the stuff would be piping hot as well !~
    
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    December 21, 2016 6:04pm
    - nasska
      
      We’re just hanging on to the last shark & shavings shop in Eke stigie.
      
      American consumerism has passed us by. 🙂
      
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      December 21, 2016 6:07pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Stigie:
      
      If you look closely you may find a deserted “Homestead Chicken” building on what was once prime Eketahuna real estate:
      
      Homestead Chicken was a New Zealand-owned fast food chain which operated in the 1970s and 1980s. It was a local rival to the American franchise Kentucky Fried Chicken. The business environment was very competitive and local chains like Homestead found the going tough – it went into receivership in 1989 and all the outlets closed.
      
      Nasska can probably fill us in on what the deserted building is used for now. I seem to recall they were thinking about turning it into a haunted house tourism attraction at one stage, but that was seen as a bit too “up-market” for the Eketahuna area. Hopefully the building’s toilets haven’t become a monthly gathering point for antisocial activities, or we’ll need to send a suitably qualified team of Kiwiblog experts to investigate!
      
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      December 21, 2016 6:12pm
- Reid
  
  Makes you wonder why they need a trial, don’t the marketers already know there’s a massive latent demand for that and McDonald’s delivery?
  
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  December 21, 2016 5:48pm
  - mikenmild
    
    If there were such a high demand, I suspect we would have more outlets offering delivery already. Or businesses providing delivery options for a range of restaurants.
    But I’m unsure why delivery here has so far been limited to pizza and curry.
    
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    December 21, 2016 6:13pm
  - nasska
    
    I thought they were going for delivery by drone.
    
    Looks like that brainfart didn’t quite take off.
    
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    December 21, 2016 6:14pm
    - Reid
      
      No it’s coming mate, just like a lot of other tech automation, you wait. Is the world ready for 80-90% permanent unemployment? Get used to it. That’s the future.
      
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      December 21, 2016 6:39pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Luckily we’ll have a universal basic income…
        
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        December 21, 2016 6:56pm
      - Reid
        
        So not grinding poverty, just ordinary poverty. Well, that’s a positive.
        
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        December 21, 2016 7:17pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  I was a KFC cook as a student, shit did I bulk out!
  
  One fat bastard cooking shit for another group of fat bastards.
  
  Don’t eat it now but man, hot n spicey still appeals!
  
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  December 21, 2016 6:28pm
Reid

I would question this guy. How can you be taking photos so freely in front of a murderer?

[The guy who shot the Russian Ambassador]

https://apimagesblog.com/blog/2016/12/19/witness-to-an-assassination-ap-photographer-captures-attack

and

“The turkish mainstream news agencies point out that he was _not_ fired in the purge against the coup. He is working in the special forces and got a sick day off, booked a room in a hotel nearby the exhibition in the day of shooting and showed his well valid police ID to get around the security perimeter.

I am turkish, and I personally believe it was a joint operation of CIA and Gulenists. After the coup, the Gulenists virtually lost the capability to conduct another coup, and their new tactic is to perform assasinations and suicide attacks to the strategical positions which will render their joint cause with CIA beneficial. The purge could not eliminate all Gulenists from police, military and other government organizations, as they hide themselves quite well.

Evidences for the assassin Mevlut Mert Aydintas’ Gulenists link are that he got another sick day off on July 15 – the day of the Gulenist coup, went to a high school belonging to Gulenist movement and he was a suspect in a case regarding to rigging qualification exams for government positions. The Ankara represantative of Today’s Zaman newspaper (a propaganda machine of Gulenists) said on a December 16 tweet that from this day the ambassadors in Turkey have no security. I do not think it is quincidence.”

Comment from this piece I posted last night.

http://thesaker.is/a-few-initial-short-thoughts-on-the-murder-of-the-russian-ambassador-to-ankara/#comment-305886
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December 21, 2016 6:36pm
- rangitoto
  
  Wouldn’t surprise me at all if Erdogan staged it. False flag to blame the Gulenists.
  
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  December 21, 2016 7:14pm
  - Reid
    
    Lets see what the investigation brings and don’t expect Western media to report it accurately. But IMO Erdogan jeopardising the Russian rapprochement makes no sense, there is no upside and plenty of down, especially for him personally, not least because if he loses Russian support, he’s at the mercy of the Gulen-CIA gang and they’ll circle him like hungry hyenas on the veld..
    
    At this moment the cui bono to me points to the CIA for many reasons.
    
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    December 21, 2016 7:24pm
    - rangitoto
      
      Mate. The guy shot down a Russian jet fighter , you think that might have upset the Rusky’s a bit. He’s devious as.
      
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      December 21, 2016 7:27pm
      - Reid
        
        Mate, didn’t you see what happened after the coup attempt? It’s a new ballgame now. The old one to which you refer stopped when the Russians forewarned Erdogan a coup attempt was imminent.
        
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        December 21, 2016 7:36pm
      - rangitoto
        
        How do you know that Erdogan didn’t also deliberately provoke the coup using provocateurs as an excuse to clamp down on his opponents.
        
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        December 21, 2016 7:44pm
      - Reid
        
        Because that doesn’t explain his switch to Russia whereas my explanation does.
        
        That’s the fact on the table that must be explained mate.
        
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        December 21, 2016 7:51pm
      - rangitoto
        
        What makes you think he has switched to Russia?
        
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        December 21, 2016 7:55pm
      - Reid
        
        Mate if you don’t know that there’s no point discussing further, sorry. That site I linked to above – thesaker.is is v good. He’s got an interesting bio, and he knows a lot, highly recommend a browse. Western media even the perceived quality versions of it, tells you what they want you to hear, not what you want to hear, but they don’t mention the last part, you need to work that out for yourself.
        
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        December 21, 2016 7:59pm
    - stephieboy
      
      Reid , I would of thought that AP link would be far too MSM for you ?
      
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      December 21, 2016 7:57pm
      - Reid
        
        stephie it’s probably best if you don’t try to imagine what I might think, a few thousand very expensive genetically engineered simians might expire in the effort and then what would DARPA say. Probably best if you just keep mindlessly mashing that keyboard and let the computer identify the real words that come out, one time in a million.
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:02pm
stephieboy

Reid , reaping a whirlwind of rather nutty conspiracy theories ever since Pizzagate got you wound up ?
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December 21, 2016 7:42pm
- Reid
  
  stephie was dumb enough to bring up pizzagate, so I thought I’d better explain it.
  
  Here’s some vids:
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHCvcCaK26Y
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVSA2Jjelo
  
  Here’s a written version with the emails:
  
  http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=59526
  
  Facts are facts.
  
  e.g. Go into that link I gave you where the written evidence is: search for:
  
  —–
  
  EVERY SINGLE comment next to this picture is EXTREMELY CREEPY, almost as if they knew that something awful was about to happen there.
  
  —–
  
  You know the guy who has a name with cheese in it, look him up on social media. He makes child coffins for a living. For example.
  
  So go ahead stephie. Explain away. We’re all eager to hear your direct explanation of just why it is not unusual at all for a guy who makes child coffins would tweet “killroom” in response to a pic of a [spooky] empty room posted by jimmycomet who said: “looks like fun.”
  
  When you explain that stephie, I’ve got other questions I’ll be asking, but you explain that first, then I’ll ask you another.
  
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  December 21, 2016 7:49pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Reid , how the crazy Pizzagate conspiracy theory evolved ,
    
    1 WikiLeaks began releasing emails hacked from the account of John Podesta, Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman, a month before the election.
    
    2
    Social media users on a popular Reddit forum dedicated to Donald J. Trump and 4chan’s far-right fringe message board searched the releases for evidence of wrongdoing.
    
    3
    Within the emails were discussions that include the word pizza, including dinner plans between Mr. Podesta and his lobbyist brother, Tony Podesta.
    
    4
    A participant on 4chan connected the phrase “cheese pizza” to pedophiles, who on chat boards use the initials “c.p.” to denote child pornography.
    
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    Following the use of “pizza,” theorists focused on the Washington pizza restaurant Comet Ping Pong. The WikiLeaks emails revealed that John Podesta corresponded with Comet’s owner, James Alefantis, who had connections to Democratic operatives.
    
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    The theory started snowballing, taking on the meme #PizzaGate. Fake news articles emerged and were spread on Twitter and Facebook.
    
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    The false stories swept up neighboring businesses and bands that had played at Comet. Theories about kill rooms, underground tunnels, satanism and even cannibalism emerged in fabricated stories and on social media.
    
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    On Dec. 4, Edgar M. Welch, a 28-year-old from North Carolina, arrived at Comet with a military-style rifle and a handgun. The police said he fired the rifle inside the pizzeria, hurting no one, and surrendered after finding no evidence to support claims of child slaves being held there.
    
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    The shooting did not put the theory to rest. Purveyors of the theory and fake news pointed to the mainstream media as conspirators of a coverup to protect what they said was a crime ring.
    
    The conspiracy theory took the internet by storm. YouTube clips pushed the false story, racking up hundreds of thousands of views. Tens of thousands of individuals subscribed to message boards, feeding into theories with fake news reports and crowd-driven detective work. The police refuted the claims of an online pedophile ring running out of Comet Ping Pong, but the theories continued. Here are eight that gave #PizzaGate momentum.
    
    Claim: Podesta’s leaked emails
    contained secret code language.
    
    Combing through John Podesta’s leaked emails, members of a far-right fringe community on the social media site 4chan and Trump supporters on Reddit pulled out a number of emails unconnected to politics. Several of them mentioned pizza or other Italian food
    
    The most cited email revolved around a handkerchief left at a house Mr. Podesta visited with a real estate agent. It led to speculation that the handkerchief and map on it were clues to some sort of wrongdoing.
    
    Claim: The emails contained
    coded messages about pedophilia.
    
    The term “cheese pizza” had previously been used on 4chan as code for “child pornography.” An anonymous user speculated that other food-related terms could also have double meanings….”
    
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/10/business/media/pizzagate.html?_r=1
    
    Trump fires transition team member for spreading Pizzagate conspiracy theory
    
    But his conspiratorial father — Trump’s national security advisor — remains on board
    
    http://www.theverge.com/2016/12/7/13866278/trump-pizzagate-michael-flynn-fired-hillary-clinton-conspiracy
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:03pm
    - Reid
      
      No we’re not interested in that stephie and it’s completely irrelevant to the direct question I asked. Pray address that, and nothing else, now.
      
      Remember stephie, you’re the one who bought up Pizzagate, so you clearly wanted to discuss, so discuss.
      
      There’s a question on the table, answer it.
      
      Now.
      
      I’m not sure how many more times and ways I have to put this before you realise you have no alternative.
      
      Let’s wait and see what you do next. Those simian minds are working overtime, DARPA’s getting tense, a crisis may erupt any second…
      
      :Popcorn!
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:07pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , it is incumbent on you to answer the points my link raises including the dumping by Trump of Michael Flynn Jnr from his transition team for peddling pizzagate
        
        The link also provides an easy to understnad flow chart to help with your comprehension problems .
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:44pm
      - Reid
        
        Why?
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:47pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid , so you feel DARPA could not help you with your addiction to absurd conspiracy theories ?
        
        I did go through your link at Alternative News and the contributors are all raving bonkers .
        
        Miffed that Trump sacked Michael Flynn jnr for spreading this lunacy ?
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:17pm
      - Reid
        
        So that’s a no, you won’t answer my question, because you can’t. Isn’t it.
        
        Noted. So that’s 1-nil to me in the Pizzagate discussion. Next question:
        
        What’s a map?
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:23pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Yeah, stephie, you have to argue on Reid’s terms. Pointing out the absurdities won’t do.
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:13pm
      - Reid
        
        If he makes a comment he’s incumbent to respond to it mm. And he’s made many comments about Pizzagate, so you’d think wouldn’t you he’d be tremendously interested in responding and isn’t that what a blog like this is all about?
        
        Of course it is.
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:16pm
    - pentwig
      
      total fuckwit
      do you actually believe or read what you link to?
      troll daffy
      fool
      
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      December 21, 2016 8:36pm
      - Reid
        
        No he can’t pentwig, that’s the point. The genetic engineering hasn’t yet advanced to the assimilation of gestures let alone language so all the simians can do is blindly mash the keyboard hoping something sensible might eventually emerge. Through sheer random chance and lots of genetic engineering they’ve mastered the combination of key mashes to actual words ratio to the point where English is possible, but as we can all see on a daily basis, not much else is, yet.
        
        Still, the experiment continues and with DARPA, who knows what’s round the corner.
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:41pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Reid and Pentwit , how could you both harness DARPA your obvious shortcomings ?
        
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        December 21, 2016 8:46pm
      - Reid
        
        See pentwig? That doesn’t even make sense. Even the basic English is evidently breaking down under the immense (to stephie) pressure of thinking.
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:08pm
mikenmild

Good game of cricket in New Plymouth.
Central just fail to overtake Otago’s 249 with a run-out on the last ball.
Centuries for each side to Rutherford and Jayawardene, both off fifty balls.
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December 21, 2016 7:44pm
- Brigitte
  
  Otago 7th highest 20/20 score. CD was highest in 2nd innings, and like the previous record, was not enough to win.
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:56pm
nasska

Santa is watching you…..he particularly likes it when you shower.
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December 21, 2016 8:29pm
- pentwig
  
  especially washing away progressism
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:38pm
stigie

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-rLiDLaHVJgI/UMBq1aK4ngI/AAAAAAAAD5U/rwDnbTV50qQ/s1600/5769-eat-the-carrot-funny-cartoons-merry-christmas-card.jpg
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December 21, 2016 8:39pm
- mikenmild
  
  Ask pentwig – t seems like the sort of question which might torture him.
  
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  December 21, 2016 8:47pm
  - pentwig
    
    nope milky
    you keep on being a council officer and ticket parking offenders.
    @ $15,00 a hour
    loser
    
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    December 21, 2016 8:52pm
    - stephieboy
      
      pentwit , I thought the snowman and his carrot would be real turn on hit for you ?
      
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      December 21, 2016 9:04pm
      - pentwig
        
        duh?
        fool
        
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        December 21, 2016 9:06pm
Jack5

A win against political correctness in the US Navy.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/12/20/navy-scraps-plan-to-dump-job-titles-amid-sailors-complaints.html
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December 21, 2016 8:55pm
- mikenmild
  
  That’ll teach any uppity women who don’t want to be called men that they should seek a more feminine profession.
  
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  December 21, 2016 9:07pm
  - Jack5
    
    Milky, I haven’t heard that male medical attendants bitch about being called “nurse” or agitate for a change of job description.
    
    Change in the US Navy wouldn’t stop at the suffix “man” as in “yeoman”. There is “master at arms” and the job descriptions containing “mate” as in “gunner’s mate” and “boatswain’s mate”.
    
    Good on the matelots for rejecting changes to terms such as “boatswain’s deputy” or “boatswain’s first assistant”, and to something like “supervisor at arms” for “master at arms”.
    
    Lloyd’s List, the authorative shipping bulletin published since the 1730s, in 2002 showed cowardice in the face of the feministas and began referring to ships as “it” rather than “she”.
    
    But now the great PC Revision is over, Milky, just like Mao’s Cultural Revolution. Move on.
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:23pm
    - mikenmild
      
      Just like the the Cultural Revolution eh? Minus the torture, imprisonment and murders, but ‘just like’ it.
      
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      December 22, 2016 6:34am
    - mikenmild
      
      And this story must have devastated you, Jack:
      http://www.stuff.co.nz/manawatu-standard/news/79766413/defence-force-creates-more-genderneutral-job-titles
      
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      December 22, 2016 7:03am
Manolo

The barbarian Muslim invasion has brought joy to European travellers:
http://www.express.co.uk/travel/articles/735636/terror-attack-warning-uk-europe-christmas-markets
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December 21, 2016 9:29pm
- Disaster Area
  
  To be fair, there’s nothing new going on today:
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents_in_Great_Britain
  
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  December 22, 2016 8:11am
Manolo

What price will Merkel pay for her catastrophic immigration policy?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/12/20/berlin-market-attack-suspect-named-23-year-old-asylum-seeker/
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December 21, 2016 9:37pm
EAD

The French must sure be glad “their side” won WWII and kicked dem ebbbbiillllll Naaaaazzzziiiis out. Look how Paris has been “transformed”:

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/071759569f23071034ee747c9abe662e727082bd3e19141b8298d54be6877575.jpg
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December 21, 2016 10:01pm
- Manolo
  
  Paris or Lagos? 🙂
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:08pm
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo, yet another closeted National Socialist ?
    
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    December 21, 2016 10:40pm
    - Jack5
      
      Do we need to remind you, Stephie X, of Hitler’s friend, the Mufti of Jerusalem, and of the Bosnian Muslim units of the SS?
      
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      December 21, 2016 10:43pm
- stephieboy
  
  EAD, Madame Le Pen’s prototype election poster for 2017 ?
  
  Is that the SS officer going down the stairs who stubbed his toe kicking a Jew in Lodz Poland on Paris Leave ?
  
  https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Kinder_Kz.jpg
  
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  December 21, 2016 10:34pm
Jack5

Stephie X, in your 10.34 post you aren’t by any chance referring to this old Army song:

The German officer crossed the Rhine,
Parlez-vous;
The German officer crossed the Rhine,
Parlez-vous;
He fucked the women and drank the wine,
inky-pinky parlez vous.
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December 21, 2016 10:46pm
- Jack5
  
  Just found an authorative version of this song, which is a version of Mademoiselle from Armentieres.
  
  Here are the first three verses:
  
  Three German Officers crossed the Rhine,
  Parlez-vous :
  Three German Officers crossed the Rhine
  To fuck the women and drink the wine,
  Chorus:
  Hinky-dinky parlez-vous.
  
  2. They came to the door of a wayside Inn,
  Parlez-vous :
  They came to the door of a wayside Inn,
  Pissed on the mat and walked right in,
  Chorus:
  
  3. Oh landlord have you a daughter fair?,
  Parlez-vous
  Oh landlord have you a daughter fair?
  With lily-white tits and golden hair?
  Chorus: 🙂
  
  Is this what you were thinking about, Stephie X, in your 10.34 post? 😉
  
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  December 21, 2016 11:05pm
BeeSting

Free the Fatherland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYcHLKAMncY

RIP Good German People our Prayers are with you all today.

Never Again.
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December 22, 2016 1:53am
- EAD
  
  Who are the 4 cowards who downvoted Beestings post?
  
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  December 22, 2016 10:03am
  - stephieboy
    
    EAD, I was one . “Fatherland “evokes for me the nations sorrowful past ,
    
    Waffen SS and the Wehrmacht Das Deutschlandlied –
    
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmNfQQ6paYg
    
    This kind of thing is a lot more appropriate don’t you think ,
    
    http://cdn.cctv-america.com/wp-
    
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    December 22, 2016 10:12am
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I didn’t downtick Beesting’s post, but…..
    
    The National Anthem of Germany is the third verse ONLY of Deutschlandlied.
    
    https://www.europeanasounds.eu/news/deutschlandlied-brief-history-of-the-german-national-anthem
    
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    December 22, 2016 11:09am
Viking2

Al about our housing and why it doesn’t keep up.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/87825035/chart-of-the-day-how-much-have-building-consents-risen-since-2007
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December 22, 2016 5:54am
Viking2

http://www.thelocal.se/20161221/swedens-record-low-interest-rate-continues

And they have a GDP rising at 3.5% with a female finance Minister that runs surpluses.

something for us to aspire to.
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December 22, 2016 6:08am
Manolo

Protesting against reckless Mamma Merkel:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/746169/berlin-terror-attack-angela-merkel-protest-german-chancellor-office-afd

Crowds have gathered outside the Chancellory in Berlin just two days after the Berlin terror attack. Supporters of the Alternative for Deutschland (AfD) party are demonstrating outside Angela Merkel’s office.

Placards reading “Merkel must go” are being waved in the crowd.
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December 22, 2016 7:28am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo,and other alt righters , the New Germany post Angela Merkel,
  
  Waffen SS and the Wehrmacht Das Deutschlandlied –
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmNfQQ6paYg
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:10am
  - Manolo
    
    One by one your progressive heroes are falling: Obama, Renzi, Cameron, etc….
    
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    December 22, 2016 9:18am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo, and in UK’s case replaced by another ,Theresa May .
      
      Tsk,tsk, tsk ..
      
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      December 22, 2016 9:24am
Inandout

The Paki that the German police released was a known criminal. How many migrants in Europe are ‘known criminals’ just walking around waiting for the right chance to die in a blaze of glory?
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December 22, 2016 7:47am
- Manolo
  
  Therein lies Merkel’s incredible negligence: to allow entry to Muslim criminals, terrorists and fanatics who are ready to wreck the country.
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:21am
  - stephieboy
    
    Manolo ,including of course these children,
    
    http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/topvideo/2015/refugees-reuters-090515.jpg
    
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    December 22, 2016 9:28am
Manolo

Germany is in serious trouble with the hundreds of thousands that allowed in.

And yet our own apologist for the religion of peace, stephieboy, continues to push for more Muslim refugees to come to NZ:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/21/investigators-search-for-tunisian-man-in-berlin-market-truck-attack.html

The fugitive suspected of driving a truck into a crowded Berlin Christmas market on Monday was on the radar of German authorities as far back as June, when they tried – and failed – to deport him after learning he was plotting a “serious act of violent subversion,” a German official told The Washington Post.

Further, security agencies exchanged info as recently as November that allegedly tied Anis Amri to Islamist militants, yet the Tunisian-born 24-year-old was able to evade terror investigators in the lead-up to Monday’s ISIS-claimed massacre, which killed 12 and wounded 48.
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December 22, 2016 9:25am
- stephieboy
  
  Manolo, thats right . I’ve suggested 500 not hundreds of thousands.
  
  Now why don’t you shoo back to Indonesia where you more obviously belong ?
  
  http://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/089C/production/_87140220_h_50403145.jpg
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:30am
  - Manolo
    
    Because I chose NZ as home and am very happy here, and also grateful to my new country. The key is integration into your adopted nation.
    
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    December 22, 2016 9:34am
    - stephieboy
      
      Manolo , but a great many Indonesians appear to be very anti liberal and progressive like you .
      
      I would of thought the placard the lady was holding would be music to your ears ?
      
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      December 22, 2016 9:47am
      - Manolo
        
        You are mistake, stephieboy. Indonesia’s problem is intolerant Islam (compare it to more flexible Malaysia and positive Singapore).
        
        The fact that Islam rules every bit of Indonesian society makes it very unappealing to those of us who love liberty, freedom of expression, and individual responsibility, three concepts alien to you.
        
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        December 22, 2016 10:01am
EAD

How to solve the European Migrant Crisis over at the The Right Stuff (TRS)

This is reality – a lot of the cucks on this website should read this as it holds a mirror up to their decadence

http://therightstuff.biz/2016/12/20/untitled-8/

The reality is that everything I listed is what caused the European Migrant Crisis in the first place.

How the European people, specifically White European men, have been brainwashed into believing things that go against their self interests as a people.

How every one of those points attack:

the European family
male and female relationships
being proud of your past and your heritage
the importance of marriage and family for the survival and continuance of your people
The 5 points above need to be discredited and reversed if the European Migrant Crisis is ever to be solved.

Men must become proud of their past. Men must be strong, brave, and reject propaganda
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December 22, 2016 10:11am
- stephieboy
  
  EAD , this too from the Right Stuff must be personally appealing to you ,
  
  Families Of Holocaust Survivors And Victims Share Their Stories At Chapman
  
  “Chapman University recently held their Holocaust Art and Writing Contest awards ceremony. Never missing an opportunity to share stories of bravery and courage in the face of so much suffering and inhumanity, members of several Jewish community outreach organizations such as The Right Stuff, Morgoth’s Review and Daily Slave decided to share their own family stories in the Chapman Magazine comment section. These tales will restore your faith in humanity and lift your spirits in a world so often lacking compassion and understanding. ..”
  
  http://therightstuff.biz/2015/05/22/families-of-holocaust-survivors-share-their-stories-at-chapman/
  
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  December 22, 2016 10:27am
- Gabby
  
  Cuck soccer players.
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:59pm
Manolo

Horror! Who does this to his/her own children?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jihadi-parents-kiss-daughters-aged-9494372

The seven-year-old girl is understood to have died in a remotely detonated bomb blast inside a Syrian police station shortly after the footage was filmed.
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December 22, 2016 10:20am
- Scott
  
  It’s just so hard to believe that a mother would do that to her own children? Absolutely appalling!
  
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  December 22, 2016 11:09am
Manolo

The moaning will never end:
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/fbi-director-under-pressure-to-explain-clinton-bombshell/ar-BBxq0TF?li=BBqdg4K&ocid=mailsignout

Six weeks since Hillary Clinton’s surprise loss in the presidential election, FBI Director James Comey is under pressure to justify the bombshell announcement that rocked the final days of the campaign.

Democrats, still smarting from the Nov. 8 loss, have lashed out at Comey as the architect of Clinton’s defeat.

“James Comey cost her the election,” former president Bill Clinton has said.
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December 22, 2016 10:48am
Manolo

A good read:
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/rowan-dean-what-a-turn-off-how-the-left-can-put-you-right/news-story/40729b198300b5b5956a3b8872a01032

I used to be a supporter of an Australian Republic, a supporter of gay marriage, and a supporter of multiculturalism. Then the Left came along and turned me off all three. Nice work, guys! Oh, sorry, I can’t say “guys” because the Left told me that’s a sexist word. My mistake. So I’ll say “Nice work, team” instead.

Oops, can’t say “team” either, ever since Tony Abbott uttered the phrase Team Australia and every Lefty — including Malcolm Turnbull — piled in on top of him because the word “team” is offensive to Muslims, apparently.
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December 22, 2016 11:11am
sooty

Pike River protesters told to take a hike, sling ya hook over the road access to the mine.
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December 22, 2016 11:36am
Viking2

Can’t have been much sleep in wellington last night. Babies ha.

No GD even yet.
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December 22, 2016 12:43pm
Viking2

Caltex buys Gull.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/87862746/caltex-australia-buys-nz-petrol-company-gull-for-246m
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December 22, 2016 12:44pm
Viking2

Steinlager will not be served at Trevor Mallard’s place this summer.

Labour’s sport and recreation spokesman is boycotting all Lion Breweries products for a year over its decision to hire drugs cheat Lance Armstrong.

The cyclist is thought to have flown out of Auckland last night, after coming to New Zealand to take part in a commercial for the company.

The decision to hire Armstrong has so incensed Mallard that the MP has taken an early New Year’s resolution – starting immediately – to not buy any Lion Breweries products for a year.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11771643
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December 22, 2016 1:08pm
- Manolo
  
  What a moron! Mallard has really turned into a figure of ridicule.
  
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  December 22, 2016 1:38pm
- mikenmild
  
  Really? Hard to know how he would cope without Lion Red, Waikato or Speights…
  
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  December 22, 2016 1:46pm
  - sooty
    
    You need them for union bova boys at the BBQs.
    
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    December 22, 2016 8:06pm
- Steve (North Shore)
  
  On a tangent, why was Strongarm allowed in were as Johnny Cash and Willie Nelson were stopped. All known drug users except Lance was a double user – covered up until caught
  
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  December 22, 2016 6:11pm
- Inandout
  
  I’m a Stella man anyway, but I can remember when Steinlager was called Steinecker.
  
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  December 22, 2016 6:54pm
Manolo

This had devotees of crooked Hillary baying for blood:
http://wreg.com/2016/12/21/mississippi-authorities-make-arrest-in-burning-of-african-american-church-spray-painted-with-vote-trump/

Mississippi Department of Public Safety spokesman Warren Strain says Andrew McClinton of Leland, Mississippi, who is African-American, is charged with first-degree arson of a place of worship.
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December 22, 2016 1:41pm
Manolo

Crooked Hillary had both coasts, Trump the rest of the United States:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4055182/Final-tally-shows-Trump-lost-popular-vote-2-8-million-BEAT-Clinton-3-million-votes-outside-California-New-York.html

Final vote tallies from the November 8 election show that Democrat Hillary Clinton out-polled President-elect Donald Trump by 2.8 million votes while losing the contest by a wide margin in the all-important Electoral College.

Her upper hand with voters, however, came down to performances in New York and California that were far stronger than necessary. Clinton won California by 4.2 million and took New York by more than 1.6 million.

When the dust settled, she lost the rest of the country by 3 million votes.
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December 22, 2016 1:57pm
Lucia Maria

This thread will become a lot more wieldy once it generates its second page. To do that it needs 101 top level comments.
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December 22, 2016 3:28pm
Lucia Maria

So you just have to post them until it ticks over.
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December 22, 2016 3:29pm
Lucia Maria

Who knows how many there are, and I’m not counting them. Probably give me another migraine.
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December 22, 2016 3:30pm
Lucia Maria

I’m going shopping now, it’s over to everyone else.
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December 22, 2016 3:31pm
Lucia Maria

Ok, one more for the road!
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December 22, 2016 3:32pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Just for you, L.M.
I’ll suspend my afternoon siesta and forge on with tiny posts.
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December 22, 2016 4:10pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Could someone please teach the baby tui a new note (or three)?
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December 22, 2016 4:11pm
Maggy Wassilieff

It’s 31° outside.
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December 22, 2016 4:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

My fat is melting.
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December 22, 2016 4:15pm
- nasska
  
  Save the planet. Recycle it! 🙂
  
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  December 22, 2016 4:21pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    I’m going to congeal it with a cooling swim.
    
    It has taken years of ~~eating~~ effort to accumulate… I’m not letting it go to waste.
    
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    December 22, 2016 4:32pm
    - Nostradamus
      
      Maggy:
      
      a cooling swim.
      
      My advice would be freestyle or backstroke. Butterfly might be a bit challenging given your current circumstances!
      
      Edit: I had no idea there were so many swimming strokes – “Corkscrew swimming” and “Turtle stroke” sound like fun!
      
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      December 22, 2016 4:38pm
      - Maggy Wassilieff
        
        Butterfly is good for your back and your bat-wing arms….. I’ll manage a few strokes.
        
        I vaguely remember having to corkscrew a length for one of my life-saving badges….
        
        quite a few of those ‘strokes” look hokum
        
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        December 22, 2016 5:18pm
    - nasska
      
      Accessorise your beach kit!
      
      http://www.absorbentsonline.com/images/oil-spill-containment-boom.jpg
      
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      December 22, 2016 4:44pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I only got as far as “absorbentsonline.com” – sounds like nappies for bloggers who can’t leave the keyboard unattended!
        
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        December 22, 2016 4:45pm
nasska

I suspect that continence is a sometimes thing with our religio/conservative friends Nostra.

It saddens me to witness the futile struggle against the daily erosion of their minds & their dignity. 🙂
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December 22, 2016 4:54pm
- Griff
  
  absorbentsonline.com
  I can think of a blogger who needs that web sites products
  Might save him from being flooded out next time.
  
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  December 22, 2016 5:00pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Griff:
    
    Might save him from being flooded out next time.
    
    Tell us more…
    
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    December 22, 2016 5:16pm
    - Griff
      
      Sorry readers, out of action for a while due to sudden ingress of huge volume of water.
      
      https://theblastnz.com/2016/06/06/flooded-out/
      
      Incontinence is a alflection of the senile ……
      
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      December 22, 2016 5:27pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Thanks Griff.
        
        Two interesting announcements at TrueblueNZ:
        
        Coming soon…!!
        Redbaiter Radio
        At last..!!
        Real right wing talkback
        
        Visit my new blog
        The Blast!
        Less words, more bite.
        
        It sounds like Redbaiter is moving onwards and upwards? I can imagine quite a few Redbaiter fans at Kiwiblog lining up to speak to him about politics!
        
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        December 22, 2016 5:35pm
      - mikenmild
        
        Why did Reddy need an extra blogsite, Griff? Was True Blue so popular it couldn’t cope with the traffic?
        
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        December 22, 2016 5:35pm
      - nasska
        
        Trueblue was choked with flying shopping bags & tumbleweeds.
        
        It was easier to start a new blog.
        
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        December 22, 2016 5:40pm
      - Griff
        
        Redtwit can be found commenting around about
        Even on the standard .
        Apparently this blog is to hard on the old man
        I actually miss him .
        He was always good for a laugh……
        I still harbour sneaking suspicions about stephie’s loyal fan boy, Pentwig.being a ring in.
        
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        December 22, 2016 5:45pm
      - stephieboy
        
        Is Comrade Redbaiter a he , she or an it ?
        
        Sought of serious question .
        
        How many hits does this blast blog thingy receive a day ?
        
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        December 22, 2016 7:05pm
      - Griff
        
        It is said redblurt is the famous toll protester of Taurnga of elderly disposition named (redacted)*
        
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        December 22, 2016 7:16pm
      - Awww C-mon
        
        If you’re right Griff then I really dislike the prick…
        
        Cost the locals thousands in rates increases once all the visitors stopped contributing at the bridge, how the thick fuckers who protested never worked that out is beyond me.
        
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        December 22, 2016 7:28pm
    - Awww C-mon
      
      True Blue had tumbleweeds… latest comment on the new blog was a link from June FFS
      
      I follow redmuppet on twitter, great entertainment
      
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      December 22, 2016 5:55pm
Manolo

Even the socialist Guardian laments the lack of leadership:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/21/europe-leadership-vulnerable-terrorism-merkel-hollande-renzi-berlin-truck-paris-attacks-brussels

Europe is in bad shape to repel a terrorist threat that has moved from its Middle East doorstep into its living room. Political divisions, public disenchantment, economic weakness, lack of leadership and acute international instability are combining to make this a uniquely vulnerable moment for the western democracies.
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December 22, 2016 4:56pm
Awww C-mon

Has anyone seen Mossey-cakes 1000th comment, I have a had a scroll around and cant see it.

Is he waiting for a momentous occasion for it, something worthy of his great intellect,
something of importance to all NZers,
something substantial!
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December 22, 2016 5:47pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Awww C-mon:
  
  Morrissey is sitting on 999 comments and has promised us “a playscript dramatising the rather pathetic relationship of a few rather pathetic, and nasty to boot, creatures from one of our sister blogs”.
  
  Morrissey also assured us that his comment would appear “tomorrow [yesterday] or the next day [today] at the latest”.
  
  I can only assume that Morrissey is disappointed that DPF popped the party balloons by not putting up a general debate thread today,
  
  It’s possible that all this comes down to a terrible misunderstanding. Morrissey promised to post on “Mr Farrar’s renowned organ”. DPF probably decided he didn’t want someone posting on his private parts! (Morrissey, if you’re reading this, my advice would be to use less expressive language next time – keep it simple!)
  
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  December 22, 2016 6:20pm
  - Awww C-mon
    
    Reason enough to not post a GD!
    
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    December 22, 2016 6:37pm
Lucia Maria

That’s the spirit, Maggy!

Though, a few too many diversions along the way from some of the others who do not seem as dedicated.
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December 22, 2016 6:05pm
Lucia Maria

Where’s Johnboy when you need him? He’s much better at these types of posts than me. More stamina for them.
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December 22, 2016 6:06pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Lucia:
  
  Johnboy has been waiting for you to say the magic words – “Where’s Johnboy” – for years. What a shame you’ve finally uncorked the genie bottle when it’s his day off!
  
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  December 22, 2016 6:29pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    LOL! Well, I’m sure you’ll be able to point this thread out to him when he comes back!
    
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    December 22, 2016 7:04pm
Lucia Maria

I might have to rewrite my comment analyser for this new format so that the counting of comments could at least be automated. I don’t know if we are 5 away or 30 from 101 top level comments!
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December 22, 2016 6:10pm
Lucia Maria

Whoops, the cat just tried to sneak up on a bird and the blackbird alarm started up again! It’s been swooping her for the last few days because it’s chick is out foraging, causing her to run and hide in the bushes rather than lounge around in the garden as if she owns it.

At least she’s not getting dived and pooped on by seagulls, though!
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December 22, 2016 6:14pm
Awww C-mon

Lucia Maria…. How are you this evening?
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December 22, 2016 6:16pm
Lucia Maria

Awww C-mon, not bad.

Recovering from days without enough sleep courtesy of teenagers who don’t want to go to bed early and pile diggers who have been showing up early in the morning creating mini-earthquakes, that surprisingly I was able to nap through yesterday afternoon while trying to recover from a migraine, probably caused by them in the first place. Complete assholes who told my neighbour to wake up early and get a life when she complained to them.

Not really ready for Christmas this year.

You?
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December 22, 2016 6:22pm
Awww C-mon

I am never ready for Christmas!

The teenagers all back bags and moved out this year, sooner than expected for one who wont be home until next year.

So its all quiet around mine and I will work through.
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December 22, 2016 6:39pm
- nasska
  
  Enjoy the quiet while you’ve got it. Our lot were missing in action for a few years until they started breeding.
  
  Then we became the oldies who you take kids to at the start of school holidays & pick them up when school starts back.
  
  I sort of miss it though. 🙂
  
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  December 22, 2016 6:49pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Nasska:
    
    I sort of miss it though
    
    I imagine you ran an SAS-style boot camp at the Eketahuna ranch? The grandchildren must have enjoyed going back to school and telling their friends that they’ve achieved the same rank as Ron Mark!
    
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    December 22, 2016 7:11pm
    - nasska
      
      More like a five star hotel Nostra. The attraction for the boys was that they could use their moto-cross bikes whereas the girls were happy with a couple of old horses their mothers had owned. We also had a reasonable sized pool which was seldom unused in summer.
      
      The problem was getting them to go home! 🙂
      
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      December 22, 2016 7:24pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        I’m very concerned to hear that the boys rode moto-cross bikes and the girls rode horses. These are dangerous activities! Did you provide full health and safety training and have an injury officer on standby? As Stigie said yesterday, we can’t have anyone enjoying themselves too much!
        
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        December 22, 2016 7:27pm
      - nasska
        
        ….” Did you provide full health and safety training and have an injury officer on standby?”…..
        
        They knew where the bandaids were kept & there were a few common sense rules which ignoring could result in no bikes or horses for a few days. Mum would start wittering like a stoned starling about risks from time to time but mercifully all eight grandkids have survived their experiences. 🙂
        
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        December 22, 2016 7:36pm
      - Don the Kiwi
        
        Ain’t that the truth. 🙁
        
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        December 22, 2016 8:01pm
      - stigie
        
        Its the lefties Nostra, and especially the leftie women, can’t stand seeing a man enjoying himself !~
        
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        December 22, 2016 8:31pm
Lucia Maria

Awww C-mon, I was ready for Christmas last year, totally ready. We went to Midnight Mass, got to sleep at 3am, was wanting to wake up about 12 noon to prepare for the day – and wham, on Christmas Day, I was kiboshed.

The neighbour got up really early and swept his paths and rattled his rubbish bins. Four hours of sleep was wiped out just like that. Then my monthly women’s business arrived with gusto and lots of pain after 12, had me out of action till three while the meds kicked in …

I kinda recovered to do my Christmas dinner thing as planned with inlaws who turned up with too many leftovers from my sister in law’s lunch. I think I killed the fish by microwaving it to heat it up much to the chagrin of my MIL, while trying to get everything else ready that I was really late for. It turned out, but it was not what I’d been planning for.
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December 22, 2016 7:13pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Lucia Maria:
  
  We went to Midnight Mass, got to sleep at 3am,
  
  I know what Nasska’s thinking: that’s where you went wrong last year! 🙂
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:15pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    Won’t be doing it this year!
    
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    December 22, 2016 7:31pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  @ L.M.
  I prefer your short posts.
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:17pm
  - Lucia Maria
    
    You mean all the random thoughts? Feels a bit like Tourettes posting that way.
    
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    December 22, 2016 7:18pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Wow!
  Too much info there, Lucia 🙂
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:39pm
- Awww C-mon
  
  To be fair Lucia, I will use that story as a reason to make sure I am never ever ready!
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:25pm
nasska

A DEA officer stopped at a ranch in Texas , and talked with an old rancher.
He told the rancher, “I need to inspect your ranch for illegally grown drugs.”
The rancher said, “Okay , but don’t go in that field over there.”, as he pointed out the location.
The DEA officer verbally exploded saying, ” Mister, I have the authority of the Federal Government with me !” Reaching into his rear pants pocket, he removed his badge and proudly displayed it to the rancher. “See this badge?! This badge means I am allowed to go wherever I wish…. On any land! No questions asked! Do you understand ?!!” The rancher nodded politely, apologized, and went about his chores. A short time later, the old rancher heard loud screams, looked up, and saw the DEA officer running for his life, being chased by the rancher’s big Santa Gertrudis bull…… With every step the bull was gaining ground on the officer, and it seemed likely that he’d sure enough get gored before he reached safety. The officer was clearly terrified. The rancher threw down his tools, ran to the fence and yelled at the top of his lungs….. “Your badge, show him your BADGE!!”
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December 22, 2016 7:15pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Perhaps there isn’t a page 2… and this GD will go on and on and…..
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December 22, 2016 7:20pm
Lucia Maria

I just put my Christmas tree up this evening!
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December 22, 2016 7:20pm
Lucia Maria

LOL, Maggy. We are stuck in the eternal now of page one that never ends …
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December 22, 2016 7:26pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Actually Lucia,
  all you need to awake and arouse johnboy, is to post that you are wearing your mini skirt and knee high boots. 😆
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:47pm
Maggy Wassilieff

Why, oh why did I ever cook the hubby fabulous Russian goodies for Christmas decades ago?

Now he and the offspring expect piroshki, kulibiaka, stuffed eggs, and potato-beet salad every year…..

and I just want to throw a few lettuce leaves and some slices of smoked salmon on a plate and tell them to shove it!
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December 22, 2016 7:35pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Maggy:
  
  a few lettuce leaves and some slices of smoked salmon
  
  I think the Kiwiblog dietian (GoVege) will agree with the lettuce leaves but not the smoked salmon?
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:39pm
- Don the Kiwi
  
  Maggy –
  if you want to give them Russian, why not settle for ‘borsch’ – a simple potato thin broth with other stuff thrown in for good measure?
  When I was up in Eastern Russia in 2004, our hostess had borsch simmering on the stove all day, and it was the starter for every meal. 🙂
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:44pm
  - Maggy Wassilieff
    
    It’s the simmering on the stove, that is my problem….
    
    It’s hot here…. I don’t want the oven/hot plates turned on at all.
    
    I could dish up ice-cold borsch …. but its still got to be cooked somehow.
    
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    December 22, 2016 8:27pm
Nostradamus

Christina Grimmie’s Family Files Wrongful Death Lawsuit Against Concert Promoter, Venue

Christina Grimmie’s family has filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the concert promoter and venue where the former “The Voice” contestant was murdered in June. The lawsuit … claims “wrongful death and negligent infliction of emotional distress [which] arises from the shooting and tragic death of Christina Grimmie.”
…
The suit claims that the defendants “failed to take adequate security measures to ensure the safety of the performers and the attendees at the concert venue” the night of the attack. “By only doing superficial bag checks with no body pat downs or the use of metal detectors to safeguard against concertgoers bringing weapons into the theater, Christina’s assailant was permitted to enter The Plaza Live Theater facility with two 9mm Glock handguns, two full magazines and a large hunting knife,” the complaint reads.

I understand that Christina Grimmie’s family will be grieving, but this isn’t the answer. Their lawsuit implies that we should have extensive bag checks, full body pat downs, and metal detectors for public events. I can’t see how that’s feasible for public events that are attended by thousands.
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December 22, 2016 7:36pm
- mikenmild
  
  Maybe not here, but in the USA where many people are heavily armed, and sufficiently mentally unstable to vote for Donald Trump, perhaps extreme measures are necessary.
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:45pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Mikenmild:
    
    Maybe not here
    
    What security measures do you have in place at the Quarry Inn? Extensive bag checks and metal detectors may not be necessary, but I imagine full body pat downs have proven a useful screening measure in the past? 🙂
    
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    December 22, 2016 7:50pm
    - nasska
      
      …..”I imagine full body pat downs have proven a useful screening measure in the past”…..
      
      Not only useful but desirable. Mike has added them to the tariff as “extras”! 🙂
      
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      December 22, 2016 7:58pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Nasska:
        
        Do you know what other “extras” Mikenmild offers? Some Kiwibloggers (not me I hasten to add) might be interested!
        
        I remember you told us about “chopped liver, a dwarf & live geese” – Mikenmild seems to specialise in exotic experiences!
        
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        December 22, 2016 8:10pm
      - mikenmild
        
        I’m not able to discuss security measures or give away commercially sensitive information.
        
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        December 22, 2016 8:13pm
Lucia Maria

I hear your pain, Maggy. I let my husband do ham one year and now he wants it every year. This year I’ve put my foot down, and so he’s just going to have buy some sliced ham on Christmas Eve.
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December 22, 2016 7:48pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Tell him you’ve converted…. and don’t do pork….
  
  (one of my kids declared she is a jewslem and won’t eat piggies)
  
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  December 22, 2016 8:30pm
- stigie
  
  No leg of ham Lucia and carting him off to midnight mass getting back at 3am, isn’t that a bit tough on the ole fella..?
  
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  December 22, 2016 8:42pm
Don the Kiwi

If you want ham every year Lucia, this is the best way…….. 😆

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=makin+bacon&rlz=1C1GGGE_enNZ471NZ490&tbm=isch&imgil=iwl88Pr2U0NfTM%253A%253BwLpZg3iywhEimM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fteecraze.com%25252Fmakin-bacon-t-shirt%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=iwl88Pr2U0NfTM%253A%252CwLpZg3iywhEimM%252C_&usg=__T-GecnprLvbL6zlDkiITMMBoqp8%3D&biw=1777&bih=882&ved=0ahUKEwjelue-m4fRAhUEPrwKHeI7CaIQyjcINA&ei=Q3hbWJ7pNYT88AXi96SQCg#imgrc=iwl88Pr2U0NfTM%3A
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December 22, 2016 7:53pm
- Nostradamus
  
  Don:
  
  Now, after all these years, I finally understand why they bypassed Pokeno when State Highway 1 was upgraded!
  
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  December 22, 2016 7:55pm
  - Don the Kiwi
    
    Imagine now Nostra –
    All that Bacon Makin’ land is now worth moonbeams and full of new houses, and the new owners don’t have the pleasure of watching Percival Pig at work. 🙂
    
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    December 22, 2016 7:59pm
  - Griff
    
    Bloody whingers.
    This year I will have caught, killed, gutted, singed, and cooked the Christmas pig .
    Xmas dinner by Griff .
    Every detail down to cutting the fire wood and hand turning the spit will be my responsibility.
    The upside is we have vegetarian guests.
    They will be so upset……
    
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    December 22, 2016 8:08pm
    - mikenmild
      
      They will just have to settle for the apple sauce.
      
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      December 22, 2016 8:12pm
sooty

Look on the good side of the never ending General Debate. More people can down tick Stephie
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December 22, 2016 7:55pm
- stephieboy
  
  sooty, you mean the alt right Trumpanzies ?
  
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