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December 21, 2016 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 21 December 2016

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Lucia Maria

Maggy,

If piroshki are anything like pierogi, then this contraption, which I’m going to try out tomorrow when I get into my pierogi making for Christmas, might help: Big Pierogi Maker.

Edited: Woo hoo!! The pierogi post did it! We have a page two!
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December 22, 2016 8:26pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  Piroshki and pierogi are similar in shape and various dumpling fillings
  but piroshki have a risen yeast dough and are baked.
  
  Pierogi (boiled, unleavened dough) are probably the same as Russian vareniky.
  
  The hubby always folds up the delicate little piroshki…(takes a couple of hours!!!).
  I’d much rather make big ones… or just make a big pie..
  He only likes the lethal filling of onion, boiled cabbage and boiled eggs…..
  (terrible fart material)
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:19pm
Nostradamus

Christmas is a difficult time for vegans:

This weekend, the famous Christmas turkey gets swapped with Tofurky (fake turkey, usually made from tofu and formed into loaf shape). The mere fact that the Tofurky makers have included turkey in the name is strange given meat is taboo. I’d personally rather eat cardboard.

I’d probably draw the line at eating cardboard – but this “Tofurky” sounds a bit underwhelming when it comes to feeding a family.
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December 22, 2016 8:28pm
- Maggy Wassilieff
  
  One of the daughters had a funny reaction to some medication a few years back and couldn’t cope with dairy products for a time….
  My Xmas usuals of
  trifle with custard and cream, or pav with cream, or icecream were off the menu….
  so I checked out some vegan recipes and created a slimy dessert with mashed frozen bananas and jelly.
  She was cured by next Xmas.
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:32pm
Manolo

The Messiah is gone and has no peer:
http://wtop.com/sprawl-crawl/2016/12/metros-special-inauguration-smartrip-cards-wont-feature-trump/slide/1/
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December 22, 2016 8:44pm
Manolo

Hanson makes the right call regarding Muslim immigration:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4050538/Pauline-Hanson-says-terror-attacks-Germany-Turkey-reinforce-call-ban-Muslim-migration-Australia.html
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December 22, 2016 8:48pm
Nostradamus

Bleak Christmas for group of motel dwellers in MSD’s emergency housing scheme

A group of Auckland families are facing a bleak Christmas in cramped motel rooms that are costing taxpayers thousands of dollars each week.

The NZ Herald article (once again) quotes extensively from unhappy beneficiaries but (once again) doesn’t tell us much about their personal circumstances and why they’re in taxpayer-funded motel accommodation. It seems unlikely that they suddenly found themselves homeless. Were they previously in taxpayer-funded housing, and if so, what happened?

The article quotes a sickness beneficiary. He thinks his motel accommodation is “a huge waste of taxpayer money” (that’s gratitude – how nice) and says: “For $800 a week I could be anywhere. I could be living in the Metropolis building” (that’s unrealistic – good luck with that dream).

As for the “bleak Christmas” (NZ Herald description) – Auckland City Mission to Host 2,000 Guests at New Zealand’s Largest Christmas Lunch.
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December 22, 2016 9:02pm
- stigie
  
  Nostra:- Sounds like he would rather get the $800 a week in the hand and go live on the streets..?
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:13pm
  - Nostradamus
    
    Stigie:
    
    Would $800 a week buy ~~luxury~~ comfortable accommodation for your troublesome Nelson protester?
    
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    December 22, 2016 9:25pm
    - stigie
      
      Nostra:- If Nasska has anything to do with it, he would rather send bails of hay down for the protester and his mates to sit around on and to reach the cloths line to hang his filthy washing on !~
      
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      December 22, 2016 9:33pm
      - stigie
        
        Nasska/Nostra and all the other good folk on Kiwiblog, have a great Christmas and best of luck to all of your families. Back on the 9th.
        
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        December 22, 2016 9:42pm
      - Nostradamus
        
        Stigie:
        
        the cloths line to hang his filthy washing on
        
        As long as he has a change of clothes – out of consideration for passers-by who probably don’t want “Free Willy” to mean anything other than a G-rated movie!
        
        Edit: Thanks Stigie – Merry Christmas!
        
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        December 22, 2016 9:42pm
Nostradamus

Pete George has covered a recent High Court decision in a very interesting blog post:

The Christchurch High Court has issued the first Public Protection Order the Public Safety (Public Protection Orders) Act 2014.

The respondent 25 year old Glen Anthony Douglas was deemed to be at serious risk of repeat sexual offending so is to be detained for the protection of the public. Douglas has just completed a 3 year sentence for sexual offending against a minor and has a 10 year history of compulsive offending.

This means Douglas can be held indefinitely but can get the decision order reviewed.

Pete quotes from the court decision and this extract caught my eye:

… It may be harder under a PPO to achieve meaningful progress in treating and helping Mr Douglas, but if his response under that regime warrants reconsideration then the path is marked by the legislation. Only to some degree is this in his hands as he suffers from deficits in his behaviour and thinking which are not his fault, but a product of the multiple physiological and psychological influences on him. …

WTF – apparently Mr Douglas (to give him an honorific that he probably doesn’t deserve) isn’t responsible for his behaviour and thinking because of “the multiple physiological and psychological influences on him”.

I’m sure all of us have daily battles with “multiple physiological and psychological influences”, but none of us (hopefully) commit sexual offending against minors.
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December 22, 2016 9:21pm
- Griff
  
  I would guess.
  
  “the multiple physiological and psychological influences on him”
  
  Is a polite way to express “as mad as a swarm of bees in a tumble dryer “.
  As we can not really hope to cure such a smegged up individual it may signal an intention by the head shrinkers to incarcerate the kiddy fid for the rest of his natural .
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:38pm
- Reid
  
  If things are done to you as a child things change inside the child, then the child becomes an adult. I think that’s what he’s saying.
  
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  December 22, 2016 9:59pm
Reid

Did anyone know Christmas is the descendant of the old Roman festival of Saturnia which used to run from 19-25 Dec inclusive and is the celebration of the minor solstice?

Romans declared it a crime-free period so you could basically do anything including rape, murder or whatever, so they did. There was a King of this festival normally a convicted criminal who was allowed to do anything he liked during the festival but was usually killed afterward.

Fact of the day. Maybe I’ll start a series.
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December 22, 2016 9:56pm
- Griff
  
  Christmas is a myth.
  The roots of this seasons celebration are a lot wider than early Christianity.
  Our forebears in the west celebrated the winter solstice dec 22 when winter turns the corner towards spring.
  A time of gathering of family’s and feasting just as we still up hold today.
  For my family god and the Jesus zombie have no relevance to the days activity’s.
  
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  December 22, 2016 10:09pm
  - Reid
    
    It’s interesting when you think about it the roots of Christmas are well known to the educated which in ancient times meant the priests mostly and yet we have this satanic festival that forms the main part of most Judeo-Christians aka Westerner’s entire yearly worship these days but in older times it was a big drawcard to the organisation..
    
    When you consider two of Satan’s (which is of course an anagram of Santa) names are the Slanderer and Deceiver then it’s an interesting question isn’t it, as to is this entirely coincidental.
    
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    December 22, 2016 10:49pm
- mikenmild
  
  Saturnalia
  
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  December 22, 2016 10:18pm
  - Reid
    
    Yes, thanks for the correction.
    
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    December 22, 2016 10:43pm
BeeSting

Christianity is a religion that allows

Free Will

That is why christianity never had any problem
with adopting some of the customs of
the various peoples in the world.

Call them Pagan if you like.

Free will forces you to think

I know it is hard for you – to think

but allowing people to celebrate traditional festivals is not in itself anti christian

The Teachings of christ can be condensed into
the 10 commandments and treat thy neighbour
as thy self.

Sure there is some other stuff but on a practical
daily level that is it.

The Free Will and thinking thing has had
quite a positive effect on European Christian
Societies.

As a christian to apply christian doctrine you have
to think there is not a huge book of rules
that tells you exactly what to do.

Thinking like Christianity is
no longer fashionable

esp not on this forum

And if you need evidence just look around
and compare
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December 22, 2016 10:44pm
- Reid
  
  allowing people to celebrate traditional festivals is not in itself anti christian
  
  No but if it also happens to be a satanic festival a Christian’s duty is to call it out.
  
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  December 22, 2016 10:51pm

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